🔌│tech

[final flame]

it's not like you're sacrificing general quality by going with options that are free

they're all for the most part "good" quality photography, even can find some professional stuff that's free

[gusty kiln]

Lucky for my i just use plain black for all my wallpapers

[astral haven]

still not paying for the artist to take the photo

[gusty kiln]

Sucks on my ips monitor though

[astral haven]

my wallpaper is a photo i took myself lel

[gusty kiln]

Ips glow reeeeeeee

[rough osprey]

unsplash was better before

but cant be mad at the creators for getting money xD

[final flame]

when someone chooses to upload their stuff to unsplash they take that choice
it's more for recognition and self advertisement

[steep creek]

saaame, i take my own usually

[gusty kiln]

Should rock a 100x zoomed photo as your wallpaper

[final flame]

you can hire people straight off of unsplash

[rough osprey]

ye

[astral haven]

thats only because artists are expected to work for free for exposure, and its not healthy

[rough osprey]

i got a 20€ tip once

from someone using one of my unsplash pics

[astral haven]

ew, i have a real camera lol

[gusty kiln]

The more noise the better

All the grain

[final flame]

unsplash only is "working" if you treat it as a actual job
which isn't something people usually do, it's more something you post stuff to periodically for personal stuff

stuff you weren't going to make a return on anyways

[gusty kiln]

Current trend for artists is the build enough reputation/ following until you get commissions and set up a patreon

Fastest way for that is furry

[final flame]

true

[gusty kiln]

[rough osprey]

ye patreon with wallpapers is also not uncommon

for photographers

[astral haven]

pretty standard sentiment
"wallpapers arent real art"
"uncommissioned work is free"

[final flame]

what if I were to just call it what it is, a portfolio

not all portfolio work is paid

[rough osprey]

just make every picture paid

[astral haven]

i know its not illegal to use portfolio work, but its certainly not ethical

seen plenty of stories about a "coding interview" that actually just was what they wanted done in general and they never hired the person

[final flame]

is it wrong for artists to have a passion for what they do and release free work?

[unkempt lake]

https://www.techpowerup.com/326926/nintendo-switch-2-allegedly-not-powered-by-amd-apu-due-to-poor-battery-life

[astral haven]

nope, whats wrong is that that is encouraged and taken advantage of

[ashen spindle]

source mlid

[gusty kiln]

Not surprising

[rough osprey]

no but its kinda wrong to expect everything to be free

[gusty kiln]

I would keep tegra for backwards compatibility

[ashen spindle]

yes its tegra and special deal it's not related to whatever mlid made up in his mind

[steep creek]

lol i just checked mlid thumbnails without dearrow extension, such bangers

[final flame]

value is up to the eye of the beholder, it's why patreon and other sites exist
for those who don't find the value to be high enough they will be satisfied with what is available for free, and those who wish to support a artist will choose either to subscribe or pay for a service

art has always been subjective

[rough osprey]

or product

like a wallpaper pack

[final flame]

also a side note, the app doesn't specifically not allow AI generated work

[unkempt lake]

I really need to learn how to scroll to the bottom

[rough osprey]

they should tag it atleast

[final flame]

yea, at minimum

[astral haven]

also to be clear this is not true
the value of the art is partially in how it is sold but part of the value is in how it is created
a work of art that required more societal investment (schooling or public works projects) do have more value, even if it isnt in post creation sale

[final flame]

if you consider physical cost of a work yes, but in a way it could be said that the actual act of painting on a canvas removes the value the canvas was purchased at

[astral haven]

someone (or more likely a machine) still created the value of the canvas
and without the canvas maker (or the person who invested in the machine) the art would not have been created

[final flame]

if you sculpt a sculpture out of granite, the material cost will be the same for the block
but you're removing material from it, if a mistake is made, or the work simply isn't worth it the value of the medium will be lower

[astral haven]

its just trying to enforce value = money, and i just fundamentally disagree with that

[final flame]

this matters less when it comes to digital works, but there is still the matter of time for the individual, which really doesn't have a listed price when the artist isn't employed by any entity for a set amount

value doesn't necessarily equate to money, but I doubt many generic works are going to produce any kind of emotion or connection to the viewer or artist

[astral haven]

if we paid an arts tax, and artists were housed and fed from that arts tax then sure, but for now, intellectual labor is still labor even if it looks easy

[final flame]

that's more of a fundamental issue of work in general
not just creative work

for the most part every skill takes time to develop, a amount of time that is unpaid or may incur debt in the case of college

you are not getting paid to learn something, you are learning something in hopes of getting paid for it

[cobalt adder]

keycap recommendations to put wooting 60he?

[final flame]

if I could put a price on the 8 years I spent learning graphic design it would be amazing if I was repaid for it

but that's simply not how the system works

[astral haven]

and of course we should do nothing to fix it, and encourage artists to keep grinding away and simply hope they become famous

[final flame]

what we should support is more artists in the workplace, and getting paid for the quality of work, not the quantity

[eternal crag]

does it impact my performance if i swap out my lekker l60 switches on my wooting 60he+ with the sticky rice hall effect switches

[astral haven]

alternatively, art could just be paid for, and copyright could be respected (yes even for work posted online willingly)

[final flame]

workplace culture prioritizes speed over everything generally over quality

[astral haven]

find a new job 🤷

if people keep working at the place with the bad culture, it spreads

[cobalt adder]

if artists want to make their art paid thats fine, but if people dont want to pay for it than it does not change anything. people will just find others who do it for free

the customers decide the value of a piece, not the artist.

[astral haven]

the last part is the problem
theres nothing free

its just taking advantage of a structural problem, which doesnt make the structure better

[cobalt adder]

whats the problem?

[astral haven]

theres nothing free

[cobalt adder]

you can find plenty of art for free?

[final flame]

I feel like you're throwing a structure problem onto the consumer, believing that will solve it

[astral haven]

projection

[astral haven]

no money transacted doesnt mean its free

[cobalt adder]

in what way is it not free then?

[astral haven]

reread starting from here

[final flame]

do you believe the consumer should have to pay personally for every artwork they see?
regardless of how much effort was put into it

[astral haven]

its not "should they"
its that they do, and just arent aware of it

[final flame]

alright pay me then, the most amount of effort went into this
I should be paid for it

it's 4k too

[cobalt adder]

i dont feel like it

[astral haven]

you have been paid to do that tho

you just dont see it

[cobalt adder]

by who

[astral haven]

everyone

[cobalt adder]

wat

[astral haven]

the people who paid for the roads to deliver the computer, who paid for the power lines, who paid for the internet lines

[frozen ingot]

[astral haven]

all of those people have incurred debts/investment from society (or were tax funded)

[cobalt adder]

ok

but it feels free

which is good enough

👍

[astral haven]

yep, and that is a structural problem that will resolve itself if it is sufficiently noticed

[final flame]

if you want to consider distribution as a form of cost
yes that would apply

[astral haven]

"if I cant see it, I didnt pay for it"

[cobalt adder]

i dont really see the problem

[astral haven]

exactly

[cobalt adder]

yes

I do not really care if I am being honest

[astral haven]

exactly

[cobalt adder]

it's as close to free as it gets

and I will take it

I paid for internet to play games

and I can get free art on the side

perfect

[astral haven]

and im not saying its toothpastes fault here, but it just shows how normalized this issue is

[pallid totem]

Oh boy... From a discussion on analog keyboards and hall sensor keys in particular...

[dull hollow]

its reddit...

enough said

[misty needle]

Guys do you feel like 80HE cases are like way worse in terms of quality compared to 60he?

60HE Cases are so sturdy, well made. When im holding 80HE it feels cheap, like it could bent easily if i wanted to

[reef patrol]

Can't say I recognize that impression at all.

[pallid totem]

I have the full size HE. It chonky as hecc.

[misty needle]

Im having both of them at my desk, even tho my 80HE is unusuable at the moment, but for instance plastic on the bottom (underneath spacebar) if i press it with more force is "flexing and jumping" on my 60HE every part of the case is hard as hell and not flexing/jumping underforce.

[bright briar]

what 80he did you order?

[misty needle]

PCR, since i wanted to re-order to zinc, but it was sadly too late, somehow keyboard got automatically pushed to ship

[bright briar]

you could a zinc alloy case separately unless everything is on back order

its very easy to swap cases, wooting has a lot of videos on youtube showing you how to do it

[misty needle]

my 80HE PCR is not being recognized, so if i get support respose and i'll have to return this one, i'll ask kindly if i can pay more to get zinc next one, since im not happy with this PCR flexing

[bright briar]

have you messaged support yet?

[misty needle]

yes i made also a community support tab, but i couldn't describe all my keeb behaviour from the bottom to the top since there is a limited letters you can use in a support tab to contact them

[bright briar]

you gotta wait a couple of days or maybe longer than a week but the support team is very helpful and understanding

they'll help you out

[misty needle]

im perfectly sure they will, also i found more people having exact same problem so atleast im not alone

[bright briar]

that sucks tbh

[misty needle]

well im ok since im typing on 60he, but if i had no spare keyboard i would be mad :D

goku you got zinc case? i contacted one guy which had same problem as i do, and his keyboard is also overheating on the left side of the keyboard during use (i mean while its connected)

and for me it was super strange at first when i noticed it (since it has gasket mounting) so the heat should be less noticeable

[bright briar]

fair enough i know my 60he board bends if you put a lot of weight pressing onto the keys which i feel like thats normal but this is my first keyboard from wooting

[misty needle]

and i thought at first that im tripping

[reef patrol]

Overheating?

[misty needle]

yes

[reef patrol]

No?

[misty needle]

Left side of the keyboard is HOT

while its connected

[umbral heron]

[reef patrol]

What

[umbral heron]

That's weird...

[misty needle]

i think im going to buy thermal vision camera

for me its so strange also

i thought that im tripping

[bright briar]

thats crazy its overheating

[misty needle]

and i asked one guy if he has same problem

[reef patrol]

The case may be warm, but that's because of how thermal capacity works. The keyboard's fine.

[misty needle]

and he described that he checked that place also and its warm in his unit, but less noticeable since he has zinc case

so the heat is less noticeable

also i know its a gasket mounting so the pcb is not directly touchhing the case right

[reef patrol]

Alright. Pump the breaks. Where is this supposed warm spot? On the keycaps, on the back?

[misty needle]

on the back

i recorded even a video

[reef patrol]

On the USB side or the other side?

[misty needle]

on the USB side

yes

i noticed it after i couldnt get my 80he to work and was being constantly disconnected with "timed out waitifng for a response from the device" and when i unplugged the keyboard and took it in my hands i instantly noticed that its hot in this place

[umbral heron]

Pretty weird, mine is cold
And I'm running it with 100% brightness and Tachyon

Problem with daughterboard maybe?

[misty needle]

i knew that it would be hard to describe so i mentioned it to only one person and i asked if im not tripping, but im perfectly sure it's hot. He said he has same behaviour

[bright briar]

ye send that bad boy back and get that zinc alloy you want so badly

which version are you going to get? @misty needle

[misty needle]

what do you mean?

i mean i'll be fine with either working XD

i love my 60HE a lot, but i miss F1,F2 keys in work etc.

[bright briar]

well you said you wanted to return the current pcr 80he you have and wanted zinc alloy no?

[misty needle]

yes i wanted to pay more for black zinc

i already sent email , but somehow my shipment got pushed

[reef patrol]

Alright. Got both of my 80HE's going full blast. Both are cold to the touch five minutes later.

[misty needle]

Then i have no idea what is happening

I instantly disconnected that 80HE to not cause any damage to the usb ports of my pc

[bright briar]

just i was just asking which zinc alloy you wanted. The black one is a solid choice

[ashen spindle]

well could be a ton of things, but if you want a zinc one anyway that will be something they can look at when it gets send back

could be the cable or contact loose or something

[misty needle]

i watched someone review that white zinc is screatcheable

[bright briar]

really?

[misty needle]

yes

[bright briar]

whos the youtuber?

[misty needle]

if you scratch it somehow, it stays forever

[balmy vector]

probably hipyos video id assume

[umbral heron]

Not to worry #🌟│wooting80he message

[reef patrol]

Definitely not true.

[misty needle]

i might be saying false so i dont want to spread misinformation

i'm just copying what some reviewer said

but someone from wooting team i think already responded to that video

and its related to some kind of paint?

let me find that real quick

[umbral heron]

Nonono, it must've been Hipyo
Check the video in link I sent

[bright briar]

it is i found the video

[misty needle]

oh so you can remove scratches with a rubber

[reef patrol]

I mean if you do it with intent to scratch, you're going to scratch

[bright briar]

i wonder how much pressure he used to scratch it

[misty needle]

he didn't say that so OPEN in the video

so thats not a problem to be honest

[alpine patio]

its not even a scratch

imagine the keycap puller is a pencil

[reef patrol]

Both keyboards still not any noticeable temperature difference. And boy am I tired of staring at two keyboard pumping out 100% white LEDs 😄

[misty needle]

Anders

im pretty sure i've set it to like 50% and tachyon mode

[umbral heron]

Yeah, that's metal residue left on paint
Just like a pencil on white or chalk on black would do

[misty needle]

and it was warm, i didn't have it at 100%

im 100% sure

[reef patrol]

That's... that's not how physics work.

[misty needle]

Also when i plug my PC with original USB-A cable my PC freezes for like 10 seconds

[misty needle]

i mean why should i lie

i have no interest in that whatsoever

[umbral heron]

Really sounds like issue with daugterboard

[reef patrol]

Well that's DEFINITELY not normal. You sure your PC's operating normally? 😄

[misty needle]

rtx 4090, 7950x3d

i mean i've made a lot of builds

using 60HE since preorder

and 4k/8k pooling mice and never had any problems

[reef patrol]

I am genuinely more interested in why your PC would stall for that long when plugging in. Definitely make a thread in #1019755933959733258 and show that.

[misty needle]

i knew that it would be strange to explain it so nobody would belive

[ashen spindle]

nah we believe it's something that could happen the question is just why/how

[reef patrol]

You are telling us a rather unlikely story to be fair 😄

[misty needle]

I asked one guy with same disconnecting issue

he said his board is also getting warm/hot

i'll record maybe a video one more time

[reef patrol]

There's a disconnecting issue now as well?

[misty needle]

It started with disconnecitng

Let me show you

[reef patrol]

#1019755933959733258 please.

[misty needle]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1288297434665189426

[bright briar]

if you read the convo properly he stated it was having disconnecting issues in the beginning as well

[misty needle]

no if i had that i would instantly record a videoo n that

[misty needle]

yes i had disconnecting issues at first, i would have never noticed the board getting hot

i noticed it when i "reseted keyboard" like 3 times, and was still disconnecting so i unplugged it, and went back to 60he and when i grabbed 80he i instantly felt that its hot underneath

[shrewd cipher]

Yeah, those should have no issue with the kb, even my 5950x doesnt give a shit..

[umbral heron]

Even Zen 2 shrugs off 8k mouse, let alone keyboard

[misty needle]

well i have like 3 mouses with 8k pooling rate at my desk and none of them are causing these issues, but its my first keyboard with 8k pooling rate. Been using 60He all the time

[wheat plume]

[umbral heron]

I know some of these things

[shrewd cipher]

I use an 8k mouse and the 80HE @8k as well, no issues, either the kb is fricked, or some windows settings are messed up

[smoky frigate]

java confirmed a contamination

[latent mural]

anybody got an idea

if 4070 and ryzen 7 7800x3d is a good combo

[umbral heron]

Sure is

[latent mural]

aight ty

[jaunty rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAf5M4Q0Pu8

[winter creek]

7900x3d or 7800x3d, 50 euro diff?

[ashen spindle]

get the 7800x3d

[winter creek]

Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX V2, 60A, AMD B650 chipset, AM5, DDR5

this mobo good?

[ashen spindle]

its okay

[winter creek]

good, any reason why not to spend 50 euro more 😛 ?

[gusty kiln]

Taichi lite for 20-30 more

[ashen spindle]

800x3d is better for gaming

[wheat plume]

Oooooo tempting but Facebook

[winter creek]

i mean i need all around thing for next 5 years

i have 6800k right now :p

[ashen spindle]

either 7800x3d or 7950x3d

the 7900x3d is less cores on each ccd so just worse overall for gaming and more of a pain to handle

[winter creek]

i see, thanks!

i mean if you have better thing to recommend for mobo feel free to say, i am just used to gigabyte so..

[ashen spindle]

asrock b650m hdv is the best budget option if it has enough IO for you

[balmy vector]

thankfully they removed the need for a facebook account for the quests long ago

[jaunty rose]

Its good, better than the quest 2 performance wise but has the same resolution as the quest 2. But the biggest kill for me is no headphone jack

[balmy vector]

Id just rather get the normal 3 tbh

[jaunty rose]

Fr

[balmy vector]

Wider fov and resolution

And better adjustment since the 3s has the quest 2’s system for moving the lenses

[jaunty rose]

Yeah not to mention the pancake lenses which help with color and sharpness on the q3

q3s is interesting but tbh not for me at all

I have a q2 and I’ve already decided that I’ll just wait for the new valve headset instead of buying from faceboob

Whoops

[balmy vector]

good for people who already like the quest 2 and want the mixed reality experience. They get a more affordable upgrade

[crimson wigeon]

Deckard copium

[jaunty rose]

I meant facebook

[jaunty rose]

Its real……………

I swear Im not crazy

!1!1!

[balmy vector]

I only played beat saber so i personally dont have any huge reason to get a new vr headset

[jaunty rose]

Vrchat is pretty cool but all the normal people go away everyday and by go away I mean you wont be able to find them in public lobbies anymore because they’re in private lobbies to get away from the children, trolls, and weirdos

[balmy vector]

Last time i played vrchat i played a monkey ball like game and a tower defense game

[jaunty rose]

That sounds awesome………

Might play vrchat again soon because of that

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I want a modern VR thing so I can see what the hell is so great about that chat thing

[leaden kiln]

Oh hell nah

Same res as q2 and fresnel I hear ? 😭

[jaunty rose]

Yeah, not worth it at all if you already have the quest 2

Was hoping it’d atleast keep the pancake lenses

[ashen spindle]

well yeah its the cheaper version

gotta make the price lower somehow

[jaunty rose]

Ig but they literally took away the headphone jack too 😭😭

[leaden kiln]

Oh they did?

That's hilarious

[jaunty rose]

Yeah

[leaden kiln]

I got my beyond back from rma today 😎

[jaunty rose]

It has the same internal tech as the q3 but they got rid of certain things the q3 has to keep the good hardware

Literally the only reason the q2 was so popular was for the affordable price. And I bet it was so affordable because the og quest 1 didnt make enough sales so the quest 2 was risky

As soon as popularity skyrocketed they brought the price up to $500

:/

[distant tapir]

Noooooooo.

The ability to use your own earbuds or headphones with VR headsets is so nice.

Is it just bluetooth now?

[bright briar]

@ashen spindle which mobo would you prefer

[ashen spindle]

this

[jaunty rose]

Well not necessarily, it does have bluetooth but you can use the USBC port for USBC headphones but lets be real, nobody has USBC headphones.

[distant tapir]

Will Apple dongle work with it?

[leaden kiln]

Can't do that on the index because the jack is too deep, none of my headphones fit 😭

[jaunty rose]

I’d be surprised if it didnt

[jaunty rose]

Index has terrible value for modern vr. Just the headset itself, everything else about the index is actually awesome

[leaden kiln]

buying it new would be horrible

[jaunty rose]

If the index had an oled display and a resolution comparable to the quest 3 with pancake lenses it would be perfect

[leaden kiln]

just saying that one even has a headphone jack and i cant even use it on mine

[jaunty rose]

For sure, tried the headset at my neighbor’s house and the screen door effect on it is so bad

[leaden kiln]

had to get an apple dac because I don't have any usb c headphones

[jaunty rose]

Dang

[leaden kiln]

or I have one pair but they don't have a built in dac so can't use them on regular usb2

[leaden kiln]

it's so heavy and uncomfortable 💀

[little silo]

based bigscreen vr user

[jaunty rose]

Im having the same problem with the q2 headphone jack

[leaden kiln]

💸

[jaunty rose]

Tbh is ur a vr nerd and have the money with good pc specs, go for the big screen beyond, Varjo aero, or pimax headsets. Best vr headsets money can buy rn

[leaden kiln]

go for deckard

valve is the goat though
i bough an extra lighthouse and they accidentally sent two

[jaunty rose]

[jaunty rose]

Waiting on it

[leaden kiln]

👴

[jaunty rose]

[leaden kiln]

facebook posted this badboy too if im not too late https://about.fb.com/news/2024/09/introducing-orion-our-first-true-augmented-reality-glasses/

i think they demoed it to people, so already winning over visor 😂

[fickle ore]

SICK

Meta is killing it lately

[wheat plume]

Normal 3 is double the price ;_;

Almost half the price

[fickle ore]

https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633239

Hee, called it, basically temp and volt

[empty wren]

Must just have made it just that much better

Camera positions do concern me

[wheat plume]

Who said it was the same resolution as the 2??

[wheat plume]

Same resolution as 3
Half the price

[leaden kiln]

I mean the regular 3 will be a way better experience than the s

[leaden kiln]

?

[leaden kiln]

That's the cameras for mixed reality, not the displays

less fov and the optics will obv be worse than 3 aswell

[smoky frigate]

#🔌│tech message
FOOL! LITTLE DID YOU KNOW I ALREADY POSTED THAT ONE 😎

[fickle ore]

Nice lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah its a decent result

if it was in a vacuum

[fickle ore]

sexy but I just saw cloudflare had already put genoa in their gen 12 servers

sadface

[ashen spindle]

genoa-x

because vcache matters

and they are already putting turin in gen13

honestly the only part I hate about intel is that they used their own MCR dimm standard instead of the MR drimm standard jedec made and ofc they aren't compatible

[mellow idol]

whats the best microphone that looks good, sounds good and is under $100

[astral haven]

atr2100x

[sudden imp]

POD mic is good

[spare wedge]

Shure sm7b

[digital cliff]

totally under 100 dollars

[spare wedge]

🤫

Ok fr I used the at2020 for years as my mic

If you want a condensor mic, you can go for that

[digital cliff]

people have so expensive mics these days when a 30 dollar whatever will do just fine honestly

[spare wedge]

I care about the audio quality of a mic

Most people really dgaf

When I was a kid, I had no money so I had to stick with a shitty blue snowball lol

[umbral heron]

Oi
Don't you diss me ball mic
Amazing thing, and oh so cheap

[spare wedge]

I will continue to diss it

It’s garbage

I had it in 2012

[steep creek]

i got mine in like 2016, still use it and it’s great for me haha

[bright briar]

i was thinking of getting a steam vr headset but idk, there isnt a lot of games for vr for me to spend 1k on a headset

[ashen spindle]

imo the quest3 is a better choice than index currently anyway

[balmy vector]

Yeah

Index isnt the most cost effective option given the hardware we have now

[neat oriole]

so when will wooting be making a board with tmr sensors instead of hall sensors

[bright briar]

quest 3 was just announced no?

[ashen spindle]

no 3s was

[bright briar]

oooh okok mb

[ashen spindle]

which is just a cheaper version that isnt really worth it

[bright briar]

ahh i didnt know that

on amazon its $649 for me

maybe near black friday they will have a sale

[ashen spindle]

the only thing to keep in mind is you want to get a custom headstrap for the quest 3 that makes it soooo much more comfortable

[bright briar]

the elite strap?

[ashen spindle]

any, can be a 3rd party one or from meta

but the default one is horrible

[bright briar]

fair because the quest elite strap is $100

[vapid ruin]

Metal Q3 non S for 512gb storage is gonna be 500, maybe when q3s comes out

[bright briar]

https://a.co/d/751JS9D

[vapid ruin]

I have the 128 and don't even use half of it since I am primarily pcvr

and yeah, get a good strap.

[ashen spindle]

yeah lowest storage tier will be fine and any decent 3rd party strap is a must

you can get something the same quality as the elite strap for half price or less

[bright briar]

hell yeah, cant wait to pick up that bad boy and play half life alyx

[balmy vector]

Quest 3 controllers are also just so much better than quest 2

[vapid ruin]

oh yeah, def get that game. Best VR game

[balmy vector]

I despise those rings

[severe phoenix]

https://fixupx.com/WorkaholicDavid/status/1838330072102768787

[vapid ruin]

1 more reason not to get a wireless earbuds

[dull hollow]

wtf

[severe phoenix]

I think it's fake perhaps

It looks more like it was burned than exploded, if the battery exploded it would be more outward facing

It doesnnt look like something burst from the inside

[vapid ruin]

Louis talked about it, Samsung replaces his earbuds

... while being half deaf

[severe phoenix]

Louis can't be trusted.

[vapid ruin]

Ehh, maybe.

[severe phoenix]

Show me his talk about it

[final flame]

you also can't trust whether the person is actually half deaf to begin with

it's very easy to lie on a hearing test

[vapid ruin]

https://youtu.be/Gx4UVJOGLQ0

[dull hollow]

samsung intentionally damages televisions to void warranties

enough said

[severe phoenix]

Apple damages their own devices too, pretty standard

MSI does it, Gigabyte does it

[cosmic thunder]

wtf

[dull hollow]

didnt they get caught doing it right in front of you in your own home multiple times though?

[severe phoenix]

So from watching / lsitening to the video

He still has no proof it's real and is taking it at face value

It sounds absolutely wild

Man hates every big tech company, not that I can blame him, but he'll run with anything

[unkempt lake]

I sent an out of warranty board to MSI and they gave me a new one for free

No questions asked

Out of warranty by like 4 months

Had a good experience

[severe phoenix]

One in a million

[unkempt lake]

Just saying

Generally the few bad warranty calls are the ones you tend to hear online

@scarlet jackal had his gigabyte gpu break and they gave him good service too

Just trying to say that welp. Not every warranty service is bad

It's case by case

Thr bad ones we'll always hesr about more

[scarlet jackal]

Break twice too

[lavish stone]

how the fuck does optimum afford a mclaren

[zenith silo]

Are you kidding?

Dudes got the YouTube sponsor money

Looks like it might be a 675?

I'm sure with the money he makes he could comfortably lease a 200-300k car

[lavish stone]

tbh, didn't even think about leasing

but the numbers still make sense

if he's living in a middle to low cost area of the states

[lofty pivot]

Any YouTuber with 50-100k views a video is already making good money. Now scale that to guys with more views and you quickly realize how rich some of the YouTubers get

People look at ad rates and forget that ads is the lowest form of monetization and lowest paid of the methods YouTubers have

[zenith silo]

Yeah it's severely over shadowed by external sponsorships

Those make tons

Alongside stuff like investing, etc

[lofty pivot]

yeah things like sponsors, patreon, their own products etc add up to a lot

[little silo]

scamming

[severe phoenix]

Wooting Sponsorship

[old marlin]

wallpapers https://optimum.store/products/flow-wallpaper-pack

[lofty pivot]

he needs the mkbhd plan. Launch app for $5 a month and get roasted by entire community

i've actually never seen mkbhd get roasted by his own comments this much before

[old marlin]

at points he deserved it

[old marlin]

smh

who just ghost pinged me

[fair gull]

hitmyurl did by most likely replying to your flow post saying they got it and would illegally share it

[old marlin]

no thanks, I can use the gradient tool in gimp by myself

[umbral heron]

Wootpapers wen?
Sounds like an easy source of revenue

[cosmic thunder]

make sure switchy is in there

[umbral heron]

MKBSD
https://github.com/nadimkobeissi/mkbsd

[reef patrol]

That's going to vanish quickly. Something about copyright and all that.

[umbral heron]

Or, you know... it'd be enough to close access to bucket
It's nothing more than scraper from API

[wild coyote]

so I'm getting somewhat of new hardware

From Ryzen 7 5800X to Ryzen 5 7600X

[solemn remnant]

why not go to 5800x3d and stay on am4?

[compact relic]

grind harder and get 7800x3d

💸

[quaint dew]

why not non-x 7600

cheaper, pretty much same gaming perf, easier to cool

[wild coyote]

There's a bundle

[quaint dew]

micro center?

[wild coyote]

Includes a motherboard, 2 ram sticks

Nope, Jimms

[quaint dew]

send the link

[wild coyote]

Finnish store

https://www.jimms.fi/fi/Product/Show/200046/b650gxaxv2-7600x-32gbc-6000/gigabyte-b650-gaming-x-ax-v2-ryzen-5-7600x-32gb-ddr5-6000mhz-bundletarjous

it's really not a bad offer tbh

I could go better, but I'm also getting a new case, liquid cooling

so gotta save that money

[quaint dew]

why u need liquid cooling

can comfortably aircool 7600x

also that ram is cl36

[wild coyote]

what about cl36?

[quaint dew]

well

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/BsZqKXu

[wild coyote]

page not found :D

[quaint dew]

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/list/BsZqKX

mb

u can get the same mobo and a cpu that performs as good with better ram for cheaper

[wild coyote]

You do realize I'm ordering all in one store right?

cba to buy from different stores

[quaint dew]

welp

what else are you ordering

[wild coyote]

I'm planning to get a full tower case ( I have more drive storage than the average 2-3 drive bays)

Even if liquid cooling is overkill on the CPU, I'm gonna be planning to upgrade in the future

[quaint dew]

peerless assassin / phantom spirit will handle like a 9800x3d

but sure

[ashen spindle]

you need to pay like double to tripple of a decent air cooler before liquid gets better and then its still overkill for the am5 socket

[wild coyote]

you forgot one thing

[ashen spindle]

and keep in mind that means the pump is often louder than the aircooler

[quaint dew]

https://fi.pcpartpicker.com/product/XgyH99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-360-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00136a amazing deal on lf3 for you

[wild coyote]

I won't have as good of an airflow

[umbral heron]

Aluminium block will handle any Ryzen
Problems are only with Intels xx700/xx900

[wild coyote]

That's what I was gonna order anyways

[quaint dew]

good

genuinely insane fucking deal on that

[wild coyote]

I ain't picking nzxt

[quaint dew]

one of the best am5 aios

[wild coyote]

I know

Besides, gonna have 2 gpus

1 for gaming, the other for recording/streaming encoder purposes

[quaint dew]

i assume you own both already?

[wild coyote]

Yep

[ashen spindle]

why not?

[quaint dew]

cool

[wild coyote]

RX 6700 XT and the other is an RTX 2070

[wild coyote]

Depending on the case if I do end up getting fans or not, haven't checked yet

[quaint dew]

what res are you playing?

[wild coyote]

but my room is sometimes warm and all

[ashen spindle]

that doesnt matter, aircooling will still be fine

[wild coyote]

currently 1080p, but gonna sell one of my monitors and getting myself a 1440p

[gray gazelle]

i need a 240hz monitor 1080p, what do you recommend?

[quaint dew]

you could expect around like 5-15fps difference ingame from cl36>cl30 ram change so up to you if thats worth buying from different stores

[quaint dew]

xg2431

[ashen spindle]

also do keep in mind the LF3 isn't that amazing for higher power cpus https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/liquid-cooling/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-aio-review/2

[wild coyote]

Small performance difference ain't gonna be a biggie for me

[ashen spindle]

you're not getting 15fps difference from 36>30 lol

[umbral heron]

More like 1~2 fps tops

[wild coyote]

So no differents whatsoever?

[ashen spindle]

if you want spend some minutes manually lowering timings and that will do more lol

[gray gazelle]

i have a budget of max 280 €

[quaint dew]

assuming cpu limited 1080 according to hwunboxed that's the difference

[wild coyote]

nah, I'll just use whatever the cpu can handle

[umbral heron]

Yeah, differences may as well be measurement errors

[quaint dew]

country?

[gray gazelle]

spain

[wild coyote]

@ashen spindle , what's your take on cooling fans?

I gotta get them recommendations

[ashen spindle]

wym cooling fans, extra fans in the case?

[gray gazelle]

i have looked in amazon and it costs 281 €, i was watching in pccomponents, it was my fault, thanks to help me

[north tide]

There can be a lot of difference. Most overclocking scaling on modern hardware is from CPU RAM scaling. CL alone is not super impactful though like you say - most of it is in other timings.

[wild coyote]

Cooling fans for the case and the cpu. though I might not need case fans

[magic minnow]

I didn’t know Apple had added a bilingual keyboard option now I was about to get gboard lol

[ashen spindle]

I think you made the mistake of looking at their test of 5200-36 and 6000-30

[gray gazelle]

and there is a 144hz monitor good on response time?

[quaint dew]

oh shit

yes

my bad

[ashen spindle]

there is such a tiny difference it wont really matter which ones you get

[north tide]

what size and resolution are you looking for

[gray gazelle]

24 inches and 1080p, i play valorant and games like that and i want good responsive times

[quaint dew]

but just 6000 cl30 to cl40 is a difference of 15fps
surely cl36 would be like 7-8fps in this scenario (obviously 1080p 4090)

[north tide]

"response time" in a monitor context refers to the time that it takes for pixels to change colors after being refreshed, just in case you didn't know. A lot of people mix it up with the latency of the monitor

[wild coyote]

Would you say that Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 would deal with future cpu's as well?

[ashen spindle]

yes

[wild coyote]

I'll most likely pick that cooler ig

[quaint dew]

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/Fw26Mp/msi-g244f-e2-238-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g244f-e2
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/2jQKHx/viewsonic-omni-vx2428j-238-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-vx2428j

[ashen spindle]

it might not work on future sockets if the cpus change a lot, but thats true for any cooler if the adapter brackets wont work well

[umbral heron]

Aluminium block

[north tide]

Try these criteria. Fast IPS are excellent monitors.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#F=571500000,660400000&r=192001080&D=240000,540000&P=2,7,9&sort=price&page=1

[quaint dew]

spain

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#F=571500000,660400000&r=192001080&D=240000,540000&P=2,7,9&sort=price&page=1

[livid charm]

how long did it take for you to accumulate all the parts for a complete pc

[wild coyote]

I'm not biggie on RGB, so I'll just get a closed case

[quaint dew]

it's better to buy all at once

[livid charm]

yes i know

[north tide]

I started with a full build 14 years ago and upgraded piecemeal

[gray gazelle]

i need 240hz

[north tide]

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#F=571500000,660400000&r=192001080&D=240000,540000&P=2,7,9&sort=price&page=1

[quaint dew]

there isn't a single 240hz under your budget. xg2431 or get 180hz

[umbral heron]

I bought mobo and RAM first, then rest of the parts

[quaint dew]

also 180>240 isnt as big as a difference as you might think

[livid charm]

i was gonna buy them all at once but half of the parts i wanted were already $2000 😬

[magic minnow]

Yeah I just buy my builds outright

[livid charm]

might need to get something cheaper

[north tide]

It's +33% refresh rate, pretty big difference.

180 to 270 is +50% and huge also.

The VG249QM1A is 200 euros on some merchants and it's a 23.8", 1920x1080 fast IPS @ 270hz. That looks an excellent fit for you.

[gray gazelle]

and 180hz whitch is the best one?

[north tide]

Just open my last link and sort by price

[quaint dew]

#🔌│tech message

[north tide]

if you wanna compromise on a criteria to drop price further then you can do so, but i wouldn't. Further cuts below 200e are really impactful.

[quaint dew]

idn't use percent as a meaningful measure of fps difference cause of diminishing perceived returns

the jump from 60hz to 120hz is going to mean more than 120>240 etc

[north tide]

There are diminishing returns on some metrics like latency, but others like the phantom array effect are directly proportional to refresh rate

[gray gazelle]

https://www.pccomponentes.com/asus-tuf-gaming-vg249q-238-led-ips-fullhd-144hz-freesync

these one?

[quaint dew]

where'd you get that from?

[gray gazelle]

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B08TX5V367?ie=UTF8

[livid charm]

i have this laptop rn

[gray gazelle]

it's a spain company

[quaint dew]

the link

[quaint dew]

thats a monitor..

[livid charm]

ASUS TUF Gaming A16

similar brand

[gray gazelle]

mm from the web

[north tide]

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/product/R94Ycf/asus-tuf-gaming-vg249qm1a-238-1920-x-1080-270-hz-monitor-90lm06j0-b023b0 this is on sale rn and stands out to me IMO

[quaint dew]

bro??

[livid charm]

should i refund this and save up ?@quaint dew

for a pc

[quaint dew]

for??

im so confused

[livid charm]

a pc

[molten lotus]

ngl in my country (australia) you can buy a prebuilt with 4060 & 5600

for the price of the laptop

though idk what you want from your pc

[livid charm]

intel built around intel i14900k

is what i think i want

[molten lotus]

you do not want intel my friend

[livid charm]

why ?

amd threadripper?

[molten lotus]

instability issues & overpriced compared to amd counterparts

what exactly do you want this pc for

[magic minnow]

[livid charm]

gaming, media devolpment stuff

i want to go overboard so it will last 20 years

[molten lotus]

i mean a pc wont last for 20 years

[quaint dew]

which is a terrible idea

[quaint dew]

why??

[molten lotus]

not so much terrible but just unideal

obviously just a comparison

[quaint dew]

ye

[quaint dew]

why not like

7950x3d

[molten lotus]

am5 for $900 aud is just impossible

[molten lotus]

ye something like this

it wont last you 20 years though

[quaint dew]

9950x3d at launch

[molten lotus]

because nothing will

[quaint dew]

yea nothing is

[livid charm]

really ?

[quaint dew]

last as in not break? sure

last as in still be up to standard? no

[livid charm]

as in keep up with technological advancements in pcs

[ashen spindle]

well you can use it in 20 years probably but it will be reaaaally slow in comparison to new stuff

[magic minnow]

I’d say you can get 5 to 8 years

[molten lotus]

fr u could stack 4090's and be laughed at because its so slow in 10 years

maybe 15

[quaint dew]

pentium 4s were released 20 years ago

[magic minnow]

My 1080ti was still running well before I upgraded to a 4090 last years

[quaint dew]

i'm sure there are pcs somewhere with pentium 4s in them

[molten lotus]

big baller

[magic minnow]

I had to strike while the iron was hot, it was after the crypto crash so lots of prices went down

Then they did the embargo a month later

[molten lotus]

should buy the $3350 aud 4090 prebuilt floating around (2300 usd)

[livid charm]

no

get an intel pc

[ashen spindle]

Why do you say get an Intel pc

[molten lotus]

guy gotta be trolling surely

10/10 rage bait

[quaint dew]

3350 aud for a 4090 build is crazy good

[quaint dew]

bro

[compact relic]

troll or uninformed for sure

[quaint dew]

absolutely

[leaden kiln]

bait used to be believable

[molten lotus]

pretty sure its in a furnance of a pc case anyways

[quaint dew]

3350 is like average 4080 super custom list price

[ashen spindle]

I was more asking because you said a 4090 pc without even specifying what the cpu is lol

So it could even be an Intel pc xD

[quaint dew]

lmao

[leaden kiln]

They surely meant Intel gpu

[molten lotus]

nah in australia its super odd cus its cheaper to buy a prebuilt than to build yourself for whatever reason ( by 200+ aud)

so a 4080super built is like $2700ish

[quaint dew]

im in aus

[molten lotus]

ye

techfast builds 🫶

https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/868308

shit like this

https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/867439

[quaint dew]

wtaf

[molten lotus]

heres the amd counterpart

even cheaper

[quaint dew]

i mean

no info on ssd

but damn

[molten lotus]

yeah you probably get up to $2850 after upgrading ssd & psu but its still a good price compared to individual parts

[quaint dew]

cx500m is nice

antec goated lately

c5 argb is such an amazing case

[livid charm]

This is what i plane on getting rn:
Intel core 1-949000ks, msi meg z790 godlike eatx lga1700 motherboard, asus tuf gaming RTX 4090, G. skill Trident z5 neo, Seagate fireCuda ST4000DX005 4TB 7200 RPM 256 MB CACHE

[quaint dew]

im doing lian a3 wood

[livid charm]

what should i change

[quaint dew]

why💀

[compact relic]

That's a good deal if i can trust exchange rates

[livid charm]

i forgot

[quaint dew]

ok so troll

[molten lotus]

yea prebuilt deals in australia are just beautiful

[livid charm]

no

i put this in my cart a few months ago

[compact relic]

1660 eur for that damn

It'd be like 2k self built here

[gray gazelle]

i need a 240hz monitor with fast responsive times and i have a budget of 350€

[livid charm]

whats wrong with it

[molten lotus]

closer to 1700euros or a bit more cus u might wanna upgrade psu, or maybe even put your own ssd in because they just throw any ssd in thats 1tb m.2 and any gold rated psu (probably not that bad)

[quaint dew]

xg2431

man

[quaint dew]

why do people still rely on ratings for psu mann

[molten lotus]

aslong as theres no smoke im happy

[quaint dew]

14900ks is fire hazard
and an hdd and no ssd??

[compact relic]

Doesn't changing parts void the warranty though? Or are they offering any?

[quaint dew]

likely yeah, prebuilt warranties are such bs

[umbral heron]

Please don't buy Intel right now
AMD will give you way more and for cheaper

[quaint dew]

im 95% sure this guy is trolling

[molten lotus]

nah u can change in the building phase most of the time

[livid charm]

im not

[molten lotus]

so its still a 'prebuilt' just a modified version

[quaint dew]

😭

[livid charm]

i was making one with amd and one with intel but my cart got deleted

[umbral heron]

7800X3D or 9800X3D in a month or two

[quaint dew]

country, use case, budget, preferences?

[livid charm]

i only have the intel one saved

[quaint dew]

im prolly doing a 9800x3d 5080 build in lian a3 wood

[livid charm]

4k

[quaint dew]

can you answer them all

is 4k the resolution you're playing at or a value of god knows what currency

[umbral heron]

Am going with 7900xtx
Don't plan on changing CPU anytime soon, though I really want to double RAM, just for the memes

[livid charm]

america gaming, blender, fl studio, unreal engine, $4k

needs to run those well

[quaint dew]

ok so

literally 7950x3d 4090

what about preferences for design

[magic minnow]

I know a guy @floral copper

[molten lotus]

what about said guy

[umbral heron]

Eieh, 7800x3d will be enough for Blender, FL and UE
They're more GPU heavy than CPU

[quaint dew]

isn't the modelling side of blender pretty much all cpu?

and render gpu

UE and FL yeah

[quaint dew]

black vs white, fishtank case, atx or matx, rgb?

[umbral heron]

With hybrid mode Blender needs higher clocks on cores more than more cores, and that's what you'd want to use with beefy GPU
But Blender will sit on all cores you give him

[livid charm]

black nothing else matters

[quaint dew]

aight

[livid charm]

why did all my browser history delete

and like all website data

[quaint dew]

well fuck we have 4k to burn if there is improvement on any of those using 7950x3d why not
assuming he can disable the non-x3d ccd

[livid charm]

only saves like a month of all data

[quaint dew]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BYXhn6 some shit like this for 3600

[umbral heron]

CPPC should take care of that
Unless in VR, there's bug in SteamVR which forces running it on both CCDs

[magic minnow]

Where’s the 600$ motherboard

[umbral heron]

B650

[quaint dew]

no need to get an x670 unless he needs the extra io

AEAX can comfortably handle an OCed 7950x

guess we could do a b650e taichi lite?

[magic minnow]

My motherboard was the biggest fail when I made my rig

[umbral heron]

Sure, Bx50 are amazing chipsets

[quaint dew]

im pretty sure buildzoid ran an OCed 7950x on the prime95 stresstest thing on a cheap ass b650 with the vrm heatsinks removed lol

i imagine he had some kind of aftermarket cooling solution but

the only reason to get an x670 is if you have a need for a gross amount of io

[magic minnow]

https://rog.asus.com/us/motherboards/rog-crosshair/rog-crosshair-x670e-hero-model/

This was the one I got

[quaint dew]

clean but

yea

[magic minnow]

Yeah it was a big L on my part

[quaint dew]

ah taichi lite is eatx and c5 don't support

ngl https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n649h3

3800 now

buy an 80he with the rest of the budget lol

[umbral heron]

I'll have to try running GIMPS on mine, I wonder how high temp can go on my aluminium block

[umbral heron]

Pretty cool that Ventoy supports most of the GRUB themes

[late grove]

To be honest as long as you don't experience an Asus Moment (tm) this board is very good.

[floral copper]

always build yourself no questions asked

[umbral heron]

Prebuilt is okay, as long as it's built correctly

[wild coyote]

Prebuilt is okay, as long as they properly built it correctly + no time to waste for gaming

[molten lotus]

dont see the purpose when its $200 cheaper & has up to 3 years in warranty to be honest

[floral copper]

since when was prebuilding cheaper

wtf

[molten lotus]

no clue but look on ozbargains

sort through the shit and you’ll find ones that are cheaper than building yourself, they show the pcpartpickerlists in most cases aswell so u can see the comparison

[reef patrol]

You tend to get more for your money. So... cheaper in that sense.

[ashen spindle]

nono

its literally cheaper in this case

[molten lotus]

nah like it’s genuinely cheaper, you get more parts for your money when you buy a prebuilt

[reef patrol]

I didn't look at the specific example tbh.

[molten lotus]

i mean it is a very rare case i think

[ashen spindle]

responds to sentence saying its cheaper
is confused when the next reply says its cheaper

[molten lotus]

i don’t know any other countries like tjing

[north tide]

Yeah, the B boards can do everything else cheaper

with a few very niche exceptions like i have an x670e board because they didn't make any good boards for memory overclocking on b650/x670, it is not because of the chipset but just because they didn't bother making a high quality board with 1 dimm slot per channel and proper BIOS support anywhere else.

[floral copper]

just wasnt the case in the past, fucked if I know

[reef patrol]

It's literally always been better to build yourself, if you've been able to.

[rough patrol]

Unless you got lucky with a mispriced prebuilt or crazy sale

[umbral heron]

Swap GPU in pre-built while in store

[floral copper]

me walking out the store with a gpu shaped mouth

lovely weather we’re having

[balmy vector]

Good discount strategy

[umbral heron]

But it says GEFORCE RTX 4090 on the side
Yeah, that's the new updated variant of 4060

[balmy vector]

Yeah, its a misprint. Blane the manufacturer

[quaint dew]

gene?

[north tide]

yep

[quaint dew]

nice

[steady sail]

Its the RTX AI 4060

[gusty kiln]

Crazy that micron's earnings really out confidence back into semis

[wild coyote]

Should I get the Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2 FX fan for my 7600X?

Apparently it's really quiet and has good cooling in general

[umbral heron]

Peerless Assassin

[gusty kiln]

Yeah it's peerless ass-ass-in or bust

Or noctua if you want to feel fancy

[wild coyote]

I ain't gonna pick noctua

it's phatt

[steady sail]

There is skinny noctua as well

[dull hollow]

im using the assassin for a 7700x rn, average 63C

[umbral heron]

I like big blocks and I cannot lie

[dull hollow]

^ -30 offset ofc

[wild coyote]

pick the ones that has the green circles for me :3

[gusty kiln]

Arctic freezer 36 is a decent single tower cooler

[umbral heron]

Cheapest one available

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/w72SHaunbp8?si=6ILP0t1YHlMhwagZ

[dull hollow]

the assassin is pretty quiet 👍

[gusty kiln]

Mini is not bad if you are worried about size

[wild coyote]

cheapest is the first one

[dull hollow]

then go for it

[wild coyote]

I ain't gonna go fancy with colors

[umbral heron]

Looks good to me

[wild coyote]

[steady sail]

U can just put normal non rgb fans on it

Or just change them to white

[wild coyote]

as if I'll have any spare fans 👀

I'm going dark mode

cuz new hardware-ish

[dull hollow]

lian li case fans are thicc

^ found this out the hard way

[umbral heron]

Mine is orange
Looks nice with Livemixer

[dull hollow]

the only rgb i have are 2 case fans and my gpu

[wild coyote]

Gonna get the phanteks enthoo pro 2

I'll have many use for it

[umbral heron]

I have 4 RGB fans plus one on CPU and 2 non-RGB

[gusty kiln]

ARCTIC P12 Max (5 Pack) - PC Fans, High-Performance 120mm Case Fan, PWM Controlled 200–3300 RPM, Optimised for Static Pressure, 0dB Mode, Fluid Dynamic Bearing - Black https://a.co/d/5RPYYTp

5 fans for the same price as the cooler

P12 max best value

[umbral heron]

Yeah, I have these ones, but white

[dull hollow]

single fan for 10$ 💀

[gusty kiln]

Yeah should only buy the 5 pack

[umbral heron]

I bought mine for 5€ per one? They were one of the cheapest ones

[gusty kiln]

They get really close to noctua 120mm at 1000 rpm

[wild coyote]

uhh no amazon for me <3

shit ain't free shippin'

[dull hollow]

i bought a 3 pack from lian li and it was 50 😭 (it feels very heavy and very quiet)

[gusty kiln]

The u28?

Those are good

[dull hollow]

the p28s

[gusty kiln]

Yeah those

[dull hollow]

oh look at what i found

[wild coyote]

actually hard to choose air cooling for my cpu damn

too many options, yet ideally cheap

😭

gonna make a wheel spin

[dull hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/gambling-gamble-gambler-old-man-addiction-gif-13539663578305331391

[steady sail]

i would just go with the Peerless assassin

[rough osprey]

isnt that cheap?

[wild coyote]

[dull hollow]

compared to the lian lis, yes

[rough osprey]

t30 is 30 per fan

[dull hollow]

i have a full black setup but i didnt feel like paying 10 more

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/5_-0PnpgDg8?si=Bq4eN3ikH0-qVYhc

[steady sail]

[dull hollow]

it also took me half an hour to find another fan controller on my motherboard

this lil shit wasnt long enough

[steady sail]

me with this shit https://www.arctic.de/us/Liquid-Freezer-II-280/ACFRE00066B

[gusty kiln]

Shame the liquid freezer 3 is louder than the 2

[steady sail]

the only thing that i hate about it is the radiator thickness

[gusty kiln]

That's the reason why it performs so well

[misty matrix]

that shit drove me wild

too gotdang thick

[steady sail]

YEAH I HATE IT

[quaint dew]

imma angle grind down a corner of one of the fans to fit it in a lian a3

[steady sail]

like this is waay too thick

[north tide]

I don't really think it is, i own both and the fans are the same. The pump on the v3 can be turned up higher, but you can also just run it at mid speed and it will be like quieter and better performing than the old one.

[dull hollow]

that is a thicc boi

[north tide]

My friend had an issue with his pump in a day 1 v3 and that was really loud. But mine is not audible even at full.

and the fans are identical on the v2 and v3 so they are not really more or less loud

the obstruction is only slightly different

[quaint dew]

mounting is a pain right?

[north tide]

Mounting is worse than the v2, which was excellent on am5.

It's not bad, but it's not excellent.

"put the cooler down onto these sticky thingies and then screw in these 4 corners" is as good as it gets.

It required 3 hands on am4 because of the backplate, but am5 has integrated backplate so it became the easiest cooler to mount that i've ever used.

[dull hollow]

i dont trust myself with water near pc components

[north tide]

with the v3 you have to screw it just enough, not too little or too much on one side and then shove the other side down to connect that screw as well because the first screw is pulling it away.

[dull hollow]

its like that with all things if theres 4 screws

[north tide]

yes but you can start to screw in with 4 on the freezer 2 and there is insignificant/no tension

if you have the v3 and you screw one side in enough to hold, it's already under huge tension and either doesn't want to reach, or your first screw isn't far enough and pops out 😄

so you have to apply a lot of force, whereas on the v2 you didnt have to apply any

[dull hollow]

💀

[steady sail]

Tho overall im thinking about selling my aio for a NH D15 or something

[north tide]

i have a d15, just not really happy with the performance nowadays and also that it interferes with RAM, graphics card and m.2 slots

the cooling performance advantage of the liquid freezer II made my 5900x boost a whole hundred mhz faster, and v3 with push pull only got better still on performance and perf/noise.

and i don't have to remove it to access other components and headers

and the RAM cooling that i can get without an obstruction there is a lot better too

[misty matrix]

the aio is really good, but its really fat and the mounting is nerve wracking

[steady sail]

i mean i have low profile memorys soo

[north tide]

I do memory OC because it helps gaming performance a lot

and it is kinda annoying to have settings that work perfectly fine indefinitely with strong memory cooling, but having to fall back and also take a lot longer testing with worse or no cooling

[steady sail]

i think i noticed like 3-5 fps difference between 2133 and 3200 xd

[misty matrix]

tweak timings

[north tide]

most of the performance is in secondary and tertiary timings

these cpu's are less memory bound than they used to be, on an 8700k you could get +100% FPS in some of these kinds of games by going from spec mem to the best overclocked configuration possible. That was insane.

With zen4 vcache the best responders are typically around +20%.

[steady sail]

i dont understand ram timing

soo i dont

[north tide]

The basic methodology for any kind of OC is just

• test stability

• make variable better

• test stability again

• keep or discard based on result

[steady sail]

i not gonna do that xd

[misty matrix]

you on am4 right?

[steady sail]

yeah with quad channel

[misty matrix]

oof

[north tide]

sure, it's not for everyone. It is for me though, and that's part of why D15 doesn't work as well for me and people like me

[late grove]

Or you can get a 3D chip and not worry about timings at all

[misty matrix]

?

[north tide]

I have one, the bigger responders that i regularly play are still around +20% performance from memory overclocking.

[late grove]

Ryzen 3D CPUs do not scale with faster memory. Single digit gains.

[misty matrix]

yeah...

[north tide]

I've spent many hundreds of hours testing these CPU's and proven the opposite with actual data. There's generally a reduction in scaling, but there isn't always a reduction and when there is, there are still often very large gains remaining. See above pic.

[late grove]

Oh Baldur's Gate

Yeah nvm, fuck that game.

[north tide]

Baldur's Gate, WoW, FFXIV, any paradox 4x game. Sims like Factorio. They are up there around 20 percenters in the scenes that matter the most.

So if i can OC my memory for 20% more performance when using an AIO to cool it better, or +16% with a D15 blocking it, that's a strike against the D15.

[gusty nexus]

great game ?

[late grove]

Maybe. but it was coded by monkeys.

Unfortunately.

[steady sail]

like 99% of games

[late grove]

Also isn't 7800MT/s way above what the infinity fabric can do?

[north tide]

Yes and no, it's a very complicated topic

[steady sail]

Its good enough for me overall :3

[north tide]

technically if you want to keep the infinite fabric bandwidth >= peak DRAM bandwidth then no chiplet ryzen CPU would be able to go faster than DDR5-4400, or DDR5-4000 in spec. It's a nasty bottleneck on current gen CPU's that is in the process of being phased out for a new type of interconnect. There's a lot more to it than that though, especially on the angles around latency and buffering with bursty transfers.

I showed some FCLK scaling and behaviors here

The 7800mt/s on there is the only profile that can do UCLK=FCLK (with UCLK at half of memory clock) and UCLK=FCLK sync is really impactful for Zen. It gives a large latency reduction, and latency is the largest influencer from memory on games and application performance.

Profiles like 6000mt/s EXPO's are running UCLK out of sync with FCLK which, from some angles, is the least bad of several bad options.

[gusty kiln]

Hmmm, might consider one for next build if it was just qc issues in early batches

[north tide]

Their launch prices are actually insane, and they're still there. If they were at "full price" it's a lot less obviously dominant

thick 420 rad for 82 euros shipped (and the rest are substantially cheaper) is like wtf.

[gusty kiln]

Unless LF4 is out by then

Yeah they are the only one that can compete with thermalright on price

And even then thermalright still under cuts then

[north tide]

That thermalright air cooler is nutty too at its price range

[gusty kiln]

Thermalright 360 aio for under 60

[north tide]

[steady sail]

The reason i hate it the thicc radiator

[gusty kiln]

If it fits it sits

[misty matrix]

did the same thing, it was so annoying

[gusty kiln]

I would pair a 360 LF3 with the fractal north xl

[misty matrix]

need to flip the fans still, but when I was building it, I got so pissed off at the whole ordeal that I just said fuck it lol

[steady sail]

yeah it fits but its a pain in the ass to get the gpu out

[late grove]

Nice furnace you got there

[steady sail]

what do you mean furnace ?

[gusty kiln]

Man a dual chamber version of the fractal north would be my endgame

[north tide]

the gpu temps on this are pretty hilarious

[late grove]

I don't think showing idle temps (especially GPU at 50C) really proves anything.

[steady sail]

i mean u just left a game a minute ago

[north tide]

i just got a 1440 monitor yesterday so these were just quick snapshots (it's a 4080 super)

[gusty kiln]

Numbers cannot be read

[north tide]

they can be read, they are lossless fullsize pictures

open original image

[gusty kiln]

But then I would have to save them

[north tide]

if you click on the image there is an "open in browser" button

[steady sail]

he is on mobile

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[north tide]

WoW 1440p 480 fps

[gusty kiln]

I mean it's wow

[north tide]

bg3 202 fps

max load full overclock this doesn't get hotter than mid 50's on air cause the heatsink is funny big and the air supply is fresh

[gusty kiln]

My 4070ti super barely gets to 50 when I play team fortress 2

[quaint dew]

phantom spirit?

such a great cooler

[gusty kiln]

480fps, so you got the new 1440p oled?

[north tide]

it just happened to be 483fps when cpu limited, but yes

[gusty kiln]

Does it flicker in bg3 on dark scenes?

Since fps tends to swing in that game

[north tide]

Without the anti flicker thing it can't do any usable VRR because of obvious flicker

i have not tried anti flicker yet

[gusty kiln]

Damn

[north tide]

it is only a small hit overall because VRR is not very relevant at 480hz

VRR gets the biggest benefit for e.g. playing 50fps on a 60hz monitor

the more you drive up refresh rate, the less it helps

[gusty kiln]

Yeah frame times are more important

[north tide]

That can influence VRR to an extent, but the biggest problem is the raw mismatch in time between frames and there refreshes.

Take for example if you have 40fps content on a 60hz monitor. That is 1.5 refreshes per frame.

It's much smoother to actually slow down the monitor to 40@40 than it is to display 40fps at 60hz, even when your frametimes are prefectly constant - because re-refreshing old images does not just not help you, it actively hurts.

[gusty kiln]

Guess I'll still be waiting for a nice miniled montour

[balmy vector]

ive adapted to the vrr flicker, its an unfortunate thing but its whatever

[marsh pewter]

that’s a tf2 issue. game is optimized about as well as a piece of toast. you could download a config for more fps. also make sure you’re using the 64-bit version.

[north tide]

With OLEDs, the light is emitted with a pulsing pattern on each new frame. So a single abberant frametime (slow OR fast) will cause an apparent change in brightness. That can happen at any rate. If all of your frametimes are identical then luminance change is minimal.

[gusty kiln]

I am and I am also using mastercomfig

[gusty kiln]

But I'm just comparing tf2 to wow in how they both barely use the gpu

[north tide]

Yeah IPS and TN can do VRR without visible flicker in almost all content (they like to do it on loading screens)

[gusty kiln]

Shame VA also flickers

VA contrast are good enough

[whole iron]

I havent noticed any with mini-led

[north tide]

VA still has advantages over IPS

IPS, TN and VA all struggle though with higher refresh rates because they are too slow, and they require overdrive

that is the biggest advantage of OLED that i see for gamers

[gusty kiln]

Qdel plzzzz

[north tide]

they do not require overdrive, therefore they do not require VARIABLE overdrive (which requires a complex, expensive scaler or gsync module)