🔌│tech

[digital cliff]

yeah except one day you'll boot your PC and windows is just not in grub anymore

and then you don't know how to fix it

[balmy vector]

Grub?

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hk-grub-worm-dance-gif-13699266172877099889

[steady sail]

yeah im gonna stay away LMAO

[umbral heron]

Nah, it's not that big of an issue anymore
GRUB will pick up Windows Boot manager with OS_PROBER=1

Still, both Windows and GRUB are piece of shite software, so...

Ooo boi, Decks update time
Bets on Decky Loader killing itself again

[smoky frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MQCkny4GJc

audiophools are BACK, baby!

googling this snake oil, I come across actual reviews like this: Did the RIO-5 II have an effect? Yes, absolutely. It had a very similar effect to, for example, placing good quality isolation underneath your CD player, such as Sorborhane. That is, there was a reduction in extraneous noise. The noise reduction added new focus and precision to the Crosby vocal giving his voice extra texture and emotion during his delivery while the double bass firmed up, adding new weight while the reduction in noise enhanced the air and space in the soundstage, allowing more of the treble-infused cymbals to reach the ear.

[tidal basin]

As long as people try to make Linux compatible with MS the problem s will stay....
The tech world is at last trying to make MS compatible with Linux which is a way better mind set...

[analog sinew]

audiophiles try to not invent snake oil challenge

[umbral heron]

MS is not compatible with tech world
Unix baby!

[smoky frigate]

unix baby! time to install FreeBSD and make my PC useless

[steep creek]

lol

[tidal basin]

yea better stay with MS and stay useless hahaha

[umbral heron]

Hackintosh?

[smoky frigate]

but I run arch

[tidal basin]

Thats still a Linux variant 😛

[umbral heron]

macOS is way closer to FreeBSD than to Linux

[tidal basin]

No you dont your pc does at most 😛

[umbral heron]

Nah, he does, comes over to update him every 2 weeks or so

[steep creek]

indeed closer to freebsd

[tidal basin]

Psssttt if you own an Android phone you are already using Linux...

[shrewd lichen]

Tbh i hope games start doing AI anti cheat or smt for input detection n all that

whatever they doin now sucks

[umbral heron]

You can't have only ChatGPT helping you and not AI-based cheats
Gotta be both

[tidal basin]

The best anti cheat is online GMs...

[wheat plume]

It's the other way around

Microsoft needs to support Linux

They are close already with MacOS xd

[tidal basin]

They are already forced todo so, if they want to allow steam games...

Valve has flipped the MS/Linux balance...finally...

By the way, remember that world wide BSOD a few days/weeks ago?
Was only on MS systems hahaha

[digital cliff]

that's nice but there's still like 2% market share on desktop linux and that's never changing

[wheat plume]

Steam games being on Linux has nothing to do with Microsoft making the choice to allow it xd

[tidal basin]

How much of that 98% is actually really non-Linux, ever thought about that?
Linux mostly cloaks as MS just to circumvent bad coding...

[digital cliff]

what

[umbral heron]

Statcounter says 4.45% for July

[digital cliff]

potato tomato

[umbral heron]

That's like 2 times more

[digital cliff]

still insignificant

[tidal basin]

i vote spaghetti 😛

[umbral heron]

But less than before!

[tidal basin]

Servers i connect to, using Linux all think im on MS, thats what those stats say...

[reef patrol]

Death by XNU XNU

[tidal basin]

BUT....ANYHOW....
Lets drop this and go back to real TECH 😉

[balmy vector]

Yes, REAL tech

[digital cliff]

when linux stops being fragmented and there's one display server that actually works, it'll start to gain ground

neither of these things will ever happen though

[steep creek]

right, wayland makes me think my gpu is dying sometimes

[tidal basin]

yea yea w/e....

[digital cliff]

i mean it's just true

I use linux exclusively for 5 years but I'm not blind to the reality

[tidal basin]

ofcourse, just like they used to say you cant game on Linux many many years ago...
So stop wishfull thinking like that and see the actual reality...

im MS free for over decades....

[steep creek]

you could game but linux is kinda thrown under the bus with anticheat and such

[tidal basin]

Thats multiple decades (tens of years)

[digital cliff]

nice but until those two things are addressed it'll forever be an OS for the tinkerers

never for the average joe

[tidal basin]

İm glad im not in the bag of those "average users" without any brains then, actually im honored 😄

PS: The time that Linux is only for geeks has LONG PAST

[digital cliff]

nope

[tidal basin]

With the atomic OS's that popup nowerdays it is even gone for ever...

[digital cliff]

nobody normal wants to spend 10% of their time fixing shit when they just wanna game

[tidal basin]

Exactly and they dont need to anymore, see Bazzite...
İnstall and forget about problems..

[digital cliff]

oh and FOSS software for video editing, office or otherwise? hope you like saving every 4 minutes, otherwise you'll get a crash and lose all your work

[umbral heron]

Install
That's where the problems start for majority

[tidal basin]

İts like having a special team 24/7 that fixes your PC problems..

[tidal basin]

İf they cant hit keys or buttons then they have bigger problems

[steep creek]

stuff needs to be ready pretty much out of the box for non techies to like

[umbral heron]

Both LibreOffice and MS Office have parity though
Both crash with the same frequency - too often

[smoky frigate]

rightfully so tbh

[tidal basin]

says who?

[steep creek]

i prefer it too ngl

[umbral heron]

Hence why SteamOS got popular on Deck - it just works

[tidal basin]

i dont know where you guys get those lies from but i dont have any crashes with those apps...

[smoky frigate]

like with arch I take an unfriendly distro and I wrangle it into exactly that state of "I never need to bother with shit anymore"

[digital cliff]

me?

[steady sail]

[tidal basin]

if its just you, then lets correct your impression by my counter experience of ZERO crashes of them

[umbral heron]

Let he who hasn't had any issues with Wine/Proton cast the first stone in a glass house

[digital cliff]

I've had catastrophic crashes resulting in me losing all my progress in:

• freecad
• librecad
• libreoffice
• kdenlive
  just to name a few

[tidal basin]

With which Linux variant and setup? Was it a default setup of that distro or did you fiddle with it...

[digital cliff]

I don't think my distro matters when I just install a package and it frequently just crashes out of nowhere

[tidal basin]

oh it does... ESPECİALLY if you fiddle with the default config etc

[digital cliff]

explain to me what I possibly could've changed about my OS that makes libreoffice not work

[crimson wigeon]

Eh a lot of those heavyweight softwares are unstable af, Adobe's wonderful suite has blown up on me many times too

[steep creek]

thats the thing tho. lack of standardization is holding back the growth. non techies wont know that x distro is better than y at a certain task

[tidal basin]

İf you install some software compiled for a different library as what is used in your distro, its YOUR fault...

[steep creek]

whereas on macos i can just open up the app store, search for the app and done it just works ™️

[umbral heron]

You know what, Akko?

[steep creek]

im joining the popcorn now lol

[digital cliff]

ah so either you agree you need to be a tinkerer to know not to do that, OR you agree that it just doesn't work from the get go

besides, that's what the package manager is there for, to have your dependencies be sorted for you

[tidal basin]

No i agree on if you do NOT thinker with stuff you dont understand you wont get any problems...

[digital cliff]

yep and I never did

just search the repo for a software and in 5 minutes it'll probably crash once you start loading some files into it

[tidal basin]

Being asble to download and install using your package manager does NOT mean it is fit for you OS SETUP...

[digital cliff]

okay so a regular user can't use it then

since they won't know these secret rules on what you can install and what not

[tidal basin]

yes they can if they keep using the app that is provided by the distro, instead of downloading via webpages
And ofcourse READ which package to download for their OS variant

[digital cliff]

searching the package manager is hardly downloading it from a webpage...

[steady sail]

[tidal basin]

Okay, so what you are saying is basically this:
Since some apps crash, the whole of Linux sux.

İS that so, then tell me your MS never had a BSOD and we done

[umbral heron]

Point being - both Windows and Linux sucks

[tidal basin]

At least Linux keeps on running...

[digital cliff]

I'm saying it's a contributory element to why it's not usable for normal users, especially for productivity tasks

unless you're a sysadmin I guess

[steep creek]

ah cals prefers macos got it

[tidal basin]

What kind of "Normal users" are you talking about?
Total illeterate ppl or...?

[umbral heron]

People want the thing that just works, that's it
Without standardization Linux will never achieve that, end of story

[digital cliff]

the kind of people who just wanna use their computer

[tidal basin]

Try Bazzite...it just works 😉

[steady sail]

like me

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gif-20893659

[umbral heron]

I'll stay by Arch, thank you

[tidal basin]

We have people who like MS and those that like Linux...
✅

[steep creek]

i like all 3, windows linux and macos

[digital cliff]

yeah I like linux but I will never recommend it to anyone pretty much

[steep creek]

my preference is macos > windows > linux
but realistically its windows > macos > linux

[tidal basin]

Thats ok, i wont recommend MS either..

[digital cliff]

i probably won't ever use windows again in my personal life but I'll still keep just pointing people to it

[tidal basin]

Sooo...again....
Where is the TECH TALK wrt Wooting? 🤭

[umbral heron]

Let's talk tech, yeah!

[digital cliff]

software is technology

[umbral heron]

Ionization of CDs for example

[steep creek]

dinner time 🍣

[tidal basin]

Software on CD for the wooting KBs? 🤔

[ashen spindle]

linux is tech, doesnt have to be wooting related tech talk here

[tidal basin]

but there are plenty of other spots on the internet to do that, if were on this servere it should be wooting related İMHO...

[ashen spindle]

no? there are channels for wooting related stuff

[umbral heron]

I would lean to the side of mysticism and esotericism

[ashen spindle]

nothing stops you from talking about wooting tech either but its not like its the main purpose of the channel

[tidal basin]

you have your opinion on that, just as i do mine...
Only the mods can decide 😉

[crimson wigeon]

This is a general purpose tech talk channel

[tidal basin]

ok cool

[ashen spindle]

thats not my opinion thats what the channel is for xD tech in general

[umbral heron]

Mods have spoken - anything tech-related goes

[tidal basin]

İll be back when i see wooting related then i guess, have fun all 🫢

[ashen spindle]

#🔧│keyboard_modding or something usualyl has more tech about wootings itself

[umbral heron]

[digital cliff]

fren we've been here for like 7 years

oh discord didn't scroll to the newest msg again

[reef patrol]

[steady sail]

Overall its my take on Linux VS MS stuff
For someone who is very new to PC's or just like very young should just stay on Windows
For someone who are a little more into OS's and willing to learn Linux stuff like every little secret and its dark magic that can unlock sure go with Linux but if u are not that person just stay on windows
Because from my point of view linux is waaaaay to complicated compared to windows in terms of learning curve

[digital cliff]

this how I feel too yeah

[umbral heron]

My take is simple

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-fuck-microsoft-john-malkovich-malkovich-gif-24980256

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

[steady sail]

nice

[balmy vector]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-gif-24607072

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah start them young on Linux. Just like learning languages, it's easier when you are young.

[steady sail]

uhm

[vagrant pagoda]

Most Linux distros are out of the box ready

And don't even try to shovel an online account and shit down your throat

[steady sail]

and u think a young boy gonna understand anything in linux ?

[digital cliff]

I mean they are "ready" as long as you don't try installing anything... or change anything...

for web browsing sure they are great out of the box

[vagrant pagoda]

You know what the most common is for school kids is now?

Linux aka chromebook

[steady sail]

in the US

[steep creek]

MS dominates schools here

lots of schools use ipads as well

[steady sail]

same in Hungary

[vagrant pagoda]

They literally was a massive lawsuit of Google's use of student data in Europe

Which mentioned it was the most common issues platform for students

[steady sail]

idk maybe its me but this privacy bullshit is over reacted already LOL

[steep creek]

maybe in some countries but not mine

[ashen spindle]

I would say 90% of data privacy related things are not strict enough so hard to call any of them over reactions

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah

[steep creek]

agreed

[vagrant pagoda]

Using student data without proper consent is 100% wrong

But it will never not happen with any off-site managed system

[steady sail]

idk goverment managed sites are even worse

[vagrant pagoda]

Exactly they just leak it to the public

[steady sail]

yeah tell that to the Hungarian goverment

[chrome estuary]

hahaha

[balmy vector]

Just a bit of storage

[steady sail]

[marsh glade]

[balmy vector]

[chrome estuary]

i just bought two 4TB nvme ssds for my laptop

[marsh glade]

Weird things happen when your boot drive has 0 bytes remaining

[chrome estuary]

the primary is a Lexar NM790 and the secondary is a Crucial P3 Plus.

[balmy vector]

Do tell me the silly effects

[marsh glade]

Youtube only playing video not audio? Check your storage.
Icons on your taskbar no longer load? Check your storage.
Extreme lag when opening new tabs in your browser? Check your storage.

[chrome estuary]

damn

[balmy vector]

Your drive is revolting against your monarchy

[marsh glade]

My strategy for dealing with this continuing concern is by annihilating portions of my windows installation until I end up deleting something that bricks my computer and forces a reformat

[reef patrol]

[balmy vector]

[marsh glade]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[river socket]

how can I find the pc case model? I had a picture of everything inside but can't find it

[steady sail]

uhm google lens ?

or right click and search with google ?
or send the picture about it and someone maybe knows

[river socket]

nvm I did find the pc properties when bought paper

[exotic plinth]

Why paritions look like that

And I might buy another 2tb disk or maybe 4tb for games

Because 2tb is not enough

[reef patrol]

I assume drives, not partitions?

[exotic plinth]

If you set drive you can devide it in partitions

And partitions would be diffrent drive

[marsh glade]

I have a partition for Windows yea

100gb isn't big enough, but it used to be...

[exotic plinth]

Maybe 1tb partition

[steep creek]

yea my 256gb os drive is slowly getting unbearable. might have to upgrade soon

[exotic plinth]

Btw u got 4tb drive already used up?

[marsh glade]

Yes

I'm a data horder

I'm not proud of it...

But once in a blue moon it's useful

[exotic plinth]

I'am game horder and I like modding 2tb is not enough

When patch 7 for bg3 would launch i will need 4tb

[steady sail]

man a 4tb ssd is cost soo much the cheapest 4tb sata3 ssd is 225 euro 💀

[marsh glade]

I have a 2tb NVME SSD and a 4tb harddisk in my desktop

Plus a 4tb external harddisk for files I don't need frequently

[fair gull]

great i just wanted to order the srh840a as a temp replacement until i get my repaired srh840 back in 3-4 weeks.... it doesnt even fold up anymore

man

[marsh glade]

And an extra 4tb that I reserve to back up my father's photo archive

[analog sinew]

is his homework folder that big?

[exotic plinth]

I would buy 990 pro 4tb

[fair gull]

i mean i personally wouldnt buy SSDs over 2tb

but you do you

[exotic plinth]

I have 5 nvme ports

[marsh glade]

Sometimes you just need direct access to projects you worked on a decade ago, in case they become relevant again

[exotic plinth]

Why to use them

[steady sail]

355 euro in Hungary im okay with sata3 ssd i guess

[exotic plinth]

And sata is used for my corsair fan controllers

[steady sail]

i mean my mobo only has 1 m.2 slot soo

[exotic plinth]

Soo i have to buy nvme anyway

[fair gull]

why do your fan controllers connect to sata

like i get sata power a lot of stuff does that but sata?

[pastel nacelle]

Lianli does that.

[exotic plinth]

Corsair controllers used that

[steep creek]

i just upload stuff i find important but dont always need access to in the cloud. prefer to keep my local files clean

[exotic plinth]

Now new lineup uses pcie

[fair gull]

i just got a corsair controller and it doesnt use sata

it uses usb like they always did

[reef patrol]

Uhh... all of my Corsair stuff runs on SATA.

[fair gull]

i need pictures of this

[reef patrol]

SATA has always been a standard for controller power.

[fair gull]

thats sata power

not sata

[reef patrol]

Well duh.

[fair gull]

so why cant the guy use normal SATA ssds if nothing plugs into the damn sata port on the mobo

[reef patrol]

[pastel nacelle]

My micro center aio is powered off Molex.

For my old rig.

[fair gull]

they only pull 1 powerline and ground anyway you can easily use molex to sata power adapters to run these

so anyone got open back headphone suggestions with as neutral of a frequency response as possible

prob best to ping uh @old marlin @gusty nexus

[gusty nexus]

I think that the Sennheiser HD560s or the Hifiman Sundara are very good headphones with a response close to neutral but the Sundara needs an amp to work correctly and has sometime problem with build quality
Sundara price should be around 300 euros or 350 euros and hd560s should be around 150 euros
Also this can probably help you a little bit : https://headphones.com/blogs/buying-guides/best-open-back-headphones
https://headphones.com/blogs/buying-guides/resolve-headphone-wall-of-fame

[fair gull]

you think one of the HD600 range would also work?

i heard the 560 has some build quality issues

and id rather not gamble with the build quality and QA

[gusty nexus]

I have one and it has no problem at all

[fair gull]

i did consider the hd600 and hd650 as well as the sundara but if the sundara has issues with build quality sometimes id rather not gamble on those

[gusty nexus]

hd600 line are consider pretty neutral but they have a narrow soundstage and a big lack of bass, they are really good but not for all music type

[fair gull]

ill check out the 560 as well then

[gusty nexus]

560s should not have build quality issues while my sundara has some slight defect but the sound is amazing so it's not a big problem for me.. 😅

[final flame]

6xx or 650

600 if you want something less warm

[fair gull]

yeah well now with smth that might be a build issue with the srh840 id rather just spend more for well built headphones

i noticed the right side is also about to break in the same way the left side cup broke

or well the slider the arm is attached to

[final flame]

soundstage in headphones is a meme

[fair gull]

yeah i meant all of those but i cant just post 6xx range cause its a model

[gusty nexus]

if you plan to buy a 650 you should get the 6xx, it's the same but cheaper
also 600 line need a amp to work properly

[gusty nexus]

difficult topic 😅

[fair gull]

whats their ohm?

[final flame]

6xx/650 are basically the same thing
same driver and measure almost identically

[gusty nexus]

560s 150ohm, hd600 line 300ohm and sundara 32ohm

[fair gull]

i can 200ohm max with my current interface

welp that basically means 560s then since i dont have an amp anymore

[final flame]

considering the science and how soundstage is limited by both the pinna of the user and the headphones own tuning it's a very variable thing that has no exact science for everyone
physics is funni

[gusty nexus]

how much watt can your interface give out ?

[final flame]

ohms means nothing on how hard something is to power, really all of the 6x0 series can be driven off of a cx or US apple dongle

[fair gull]

well its the max recommended from the manufacturer

so im almost certain just plugging 300 ohm headphones in will prob suck ass

[final flame]

Ohms limits mean nothing spec wise, they're mostly marketing

[fair gull]

pretty sure they affect loudness

[final flame]

nope

loudness is determined by the sensitivity, not the resistance

[pastel nacelle]

Amps

[fair gull]

so would you be willing to pay for hd6xx for me if it isnt as loud as my current headphones?

[final flame]

I can measure how loud my 6xx gets off of a dongle to prove it to you

[fair gull]

what dongle though

[final flame]

moondrop click, about the same power as all the other type C dongles

about 1vrms

[pastel nacelle]

What happened to the good old days when people made their own speakers from audio shops?

[final flame]

still is a thing, never went away

[fair gull]

i thought the moondrop click self admittedly has a 300ohm rating

as some arbitrarily picked upper limit according to you

[pastel nacelle]

Yall trying to spend 6k om headphones?

[final flame]

don't know where you got that from

[pastel nacelle]

I only understand ohms in heat resistor.

[fair gull]

read that in some review

[pastel nacelle]

Which mean i take wire and curl it.

[final flame]

anyways it's pushing 98 decibels out of the 6xx at maximum volume

anyways if you really want to know about headphone power and sources, headphones.com has a good video about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqlcJnoIcGo

[fair gull]

great now i need to know how much juice comes out the jack

[unkempt lake]

https://techcrunch.com/2024/08/09/former-youtube-ceo-susan-wojcicki-has-passed-away-at-age-56/

[fair gull]

welp 560s it is i aint finding the data nor am i willing to put meter probes into the jack just to measure how much juice the interface has

[alpine patio]

what

thats fake right?

[fair gull]

nope

https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1822132667959386588

Sundar Pichai (@sundarpichai) on X

Unbelievably saddened by the loss of my dear friend @SusanWojcicki after two years of living with cancer. She is as core to the history of Google as anyone, and it’s hard to imagine the world without her. She was an incredible person, leader and friend who had a tremendous

Twitter · Aug 10, 2024, 4:47 AM

[alpine patio]

welp fk cancer

[final flame]

damn

[fair gull]

welp 560s ordered

[gusty nexus]

great, I hope you will enjoy them 😅

[fair gull]

i mean same

[digital cliff]

I thought you wanted closed backs

[final flame]

560s aren't a bad option, they are on the leaner side compared to the more warm 6x0

[fair gull]

yes

[final flame]

they do have better bass extension

[fair gull]

but all good options turned out to be rather bad

[final flame]

that's closed backs for ya, need eq on many of them to get them on the level of lower priced open backs

[cloud birch]

hello all, how to find the used colour again? theres last 8 but its lost

[fair gull]

the main thing is i wont consider the 600 series for now cause of the impedance thing and now being told its all myth. and since i cant figure out what stuff to plug in to those calcs for my interface

[digital cliff]

the hd650 for example runs just fine off of a phone tbh

[final flame]

what interface do you have?

[fair gull]

scarlette solo 3rd gen

[final flame]

that's what I'm saying

[digital cliff]

well anyway the 560s is probably a better buy considering EU prices on the 600 series

[fair gull]

yeah well i have to crank my phone quite aq bit with my srh840 for good sound levels and idk how that plays out with 600 series

[fair gull]

i saw the price tags of around 400eur and wouldnt mind that

[gusty nexus]

they should be around 300

[digital cliff]

yeah that's garbage

considering the HD6xx sells in US for 200

[fair gull]

and i cant find the 6xx at any local vendor

[digital cliff]

and it's just the 650

[fair gull]

idk how expensive the 6xx turns out to be once imported

[digital cliff]

not worth it tbh when 560s exists

[fair gull]

i mean if i consider my last roughly 200usd purchase that turned into 450eur after taxes and import yes

[latent mural]

60he+ vs 80he which is better for gaming

[final flame]

560s sounds fairly different though
there's also the 490 pro which doesn't seem bad

[fair gull]

whichever you prefer

[latent mural]

is there a difference in latency

[fair gull]

1khz vs 8khz

80he is the 8khz one

[gusty nexus]

not noticeable by humans

[fair gull]

and the difference in E2E latency depends on your setup

not just the keyboard

[digital cliff]

.5ms

[gusty nexus]

490 are good but more costly than 560s 😅

[final flame]

they're closer in sound to the 6x0 than the 560
more warm

[fair gull]

price still isnt a big issue (unless we go like a grand for a pair of cans)

[final flame]

490 pro goes for a little under 400 usd

[fair gull]

i assume in that case the 650 would still be better?

[digital cliff]

depends on if you like how they sound or not

[final flame]

6x0 is more generally liked by the audio crowd, but they are more a alternative designed for studio use

I would also say they seem better built

[fair gull]

yeha i hope the 560s sounds ok otherwise ill have to buy another pair and send them back

[fair gull]

odd dip at the end there for the 560s

[pastel nacelle]

Ooo sennheiser.

Now that brand i trust.

[final flame]

treble measurements aren't the most accurate, I would say you can ignore everything after 5k

[fair gull]

hm ok i usually considered the measurement to be quite comparable over the whole range

[final flame]

also just so you know how to read this version of graph, the dotted lines are the average listener preference bounds
anything outside of the lines can be considered a coloration/boost to the sound

[fair gull]

i assumed as much

[steep creek]

any nvme suggestions for 1-2 TB? not too fixated on a budget i just want it to last for years if possible

[analog sinew]

i usually just go with samsung 🤷‍♂️

[gusty nexus]

crucial ssd

[steep creek]

i have samsung ssds theyre great, might as well get an nvme from them too i guess

[digital cliff]

I just bought an SN770 myself

[steep creek]

ill check it out, thanks

[digital cliff]

basically had the same criteria, just something that lasts

had the kingston NV2 2TB beforehand, that model is complete garbage and will fail in 6 months

[steep creek]

oh wow thats not good

[digital cliff]

no wonder it's like -20% compared to literally any other nvme

so many reports online on it failing

[steep creek]

aha, i do need something reliable as i intend to use it as my os drive and for some files

alright ill avoid kingston

[digital cliff]

at least that model in particular... though to be fair, this experience soured kingston for me forever so

[steep creek]

ive had terrible experiences with seagate. nas with family pictures just died on me lol. had backups other places thankfully

[digital cliff]

for what it's worth the 4 or so WD HDDs I had throughout the years + the 2 WD NVMEs I now have have never let me down

just an anecdote but they'll have my money until they let me down xD

[steep creek]

well thats good to hear haha

[analog sinew]

my WD HDD died

but it was old soo

nbd

[steep creek]

hm

[analog sinew]

also it did spit out enough smart errors beforehand to save the data

[digital cliff]

yeah I think it's just luck, probably all manufacturers are about equal unless you hit a notoriously crap model like the NV2 2TB

[analog sinew]

it just one day decided to have 33000 sectors fail and that was that

[digital cliff]

oof

[steep creek]

unfortunate

well thanks for suggestions ill read about those nvmes a bit

[digital cliff]

samsung is probably a safe bet too, if pricy

[steep creek]

i was looking at the 990 pro, i currently have two samsung ssds and they've been great. had them for years. tho i read a while ago these nvmes had some firmware issue? not entirely sure

could be fixed now however

[gusty nexus]

it's fixed

[steep creek]

ah nice

[digital cliff]

yeah I've had samsungs in the past too, the pricefixing stuff a few years back kinda soured me on them but they have pretty much the best stuff if you want to pay the premium

[final flame]

yea, just update the firmware as soon as you get it and you're good

[digital cliff]

had the very first SATA SSD they made, like 830 or something

[steep creek]

sounds good. as long as it lasts a long time i dont mind the one time cost

[digital cliff]

easy 150€ for 128gigs at the time

[steep creek]

haha yea they can be a bit pricey

[latent mural]

is it forbidden to ask a question other than tech

[digital cliff]

go to general for such, preferably

[analog sinew]

ooh the sata SSDs

i remember that shit

actually its sitting somewhere in the old pc left of me

[latent mural]

no one answered my question that's why I said

[final flame]

sata at this point is more expensive than nvme now lol

which is pretty cool

[steep creek]

feel free to ping me there

[digital cliff]

then few years down the line had the 850 evo, 500gigs for 150€

[analog sinew]

feel free to ping arden and tell him his feet smell

[gusty nexus]

this one ?

[digital cliff]

and now NVME, 2TB for under 150€ haha

love it when tech gets cheaper over the years

[latent mural]

yes this one

i dont know whether to give order it now or on monday

[digital cliff]

no clue what you're asking

[pastel nacelle]

Its nice when you got a guy on the inside hooking it up with the employee discount.

#microcenter insurgency.

[gusty nexus]

same

[pastel nacelle]

Whats cargo

[latent mural]

if i order now will it be shipped

[pastel nacelle]

Saturday deliveries for fedex.

[latent mural]

or is it no different from ordering on monday

[pastel nacelle]

Depends on how their warehouse works.

[ashen spindle]

order what

[pastel nacelle]

My orders dont go out till tuesday.

For work

[steep creek]

warehouse typically doesn't work weekends so it'd be monday. keep in mind the fullfillment time needed to pack etc

[digital cliff]

if you're worried about it just order now and it's done and dusted

[pastel nacelle]

Out of this world.

Water from Mississippi river.

[unkempt lake]

sn770

good deal rn

recently got one then my brother got 2 for himself xD

they're a good value rn

[north tide]

the 60he's F1-F5 are really slow 😄

[steep creek]

thank you. i think for my location 990 pro is the better choice. with shipping its not a major price difference between sn770 and the samsung

now at least i'll finally stop worrying about not having enough space for dualbooting

[pastel nacelle]

I dont like the WD 4tb

I have it and it don't have smart or quick boot.

[steep creek]

i dont need more than 1tb so 990 pro seems alright

[pastel nacelle]

Its a barebones fast nvme.

Idk

Im already down to 3tb.

All these mods for my games take a dump truck space.

[steep creek]

ah understandeable then. i only really play a handful of games and satisfactory mods barely take up any space

[pastel nacelle]

But you could download all the games.

And assign 100gb for your gpu acceleration.

[sharp badger]

Who needs to have all their games installed?

[analog sinew]

me

what if i want to launch that game i have not touched in years

[final flame]

or a friend wants to play a game with you

[sharp badger]

Lol yeah the sudden urge to want to play Skyrim for the hundredth time

[final flame]

I keep my games almost constantly updated for this reason

[pastel nacelle]

WHAT IF YOU NEED TO DOWNLOAD FINAL FANTASY X AGAIN?

[digital cliff]

iunno takes like 10 minutes to dl and install anything

[sharp badger]

Yeah

[final flame]

if the size of the update is reasonable

[pale sigil]

I mean

[final flame]

fortnite updates are anywhere from 8 to 20gb

[pale sigil]

People have poopy internet still

[digital cliff]

okay so 5 minutes

[pastel nacelle]

I keep my games on my pc on the last confirmed stable build.

[pale sigil]

I think I keep games installed because of old habits.

[final flame]

100mpbs is the average, it takes about 20 minutes

[pastel nacelle]

Unless its a game you modded and bethesda patched and broke 10 years worth of mods that are shelved.

I have so many mods to still patch manually for the fallout update.

[analog sinew]

i just dont remove things tat could be useful one day

[final flame]

it's just a major pain to everyone when someone doesn't have something installed and they are waiting on someone for their game to update/install
in the worst case they'll finish playing before your game even finishes

[analog sinew]

yeah my friend has ass Internet

[pastel nacelle]

Try getting defunct mods to work on a recent patch and the author stopped doing it themselves.

[analog sinew]

if there is an update he's out for an hour

[analog sinew]

i have

[pale sigil]

I also don't like the idea of downloading a game, deleting it and re installing it on SSDs.

[sharp badger]

I do actually have one game installed that i'll uninstall once i've played through the DLC in October

[pale sigil]

Again, old habits.

[unkempt lake]

i think i have enough

[steep creek]

i personally delete games i havent played in a while

[pastel nacelle]

I have so much home made videos.

[balmy vector]

Same

[unkempt lake]

onlyfans

[unkempt lake]

i generally move them from my nvme to a sata ssd then if i dont play them for even longer i delete them

[pastel nacelle]

I need the other parties consent to do that now adays.

[sharp badger]

Having backups of old phones storage, pictures, videos etc. is worth having storage for

Some nice memories from old times

[unkempt lake]

having a NAS would probably be more efficient

[sharp badger]

Yes

[pastel nacelle]

WD HDDs for storage probably the only reliable form of NAS.

I dont trust these nvme NAS.

[sharp badger]

Was thinking one could use the 12700K for something like that once i ''retire'' it

[pastel nacelle]

Probably should. I copied every game i could rent from blockbuster and netflix.

Copying and burning games was great.

[pale sigil]

I have a dedicated games drive tbf

And my NAS is used for data

[pastel nacelle]

When you could rent video games from stores and mail. I burned everything to a disc.

Same with all the anime.

$20 a month. Made copies of all of it.

[sharp badger]

Games do get bigger though e.g. GOW : Ragnarök ''needs'' 190GB of available space

[pale sigil]

Plus another 200gb on another directories XD (game drive left c: right)

[pastel nacelle]

New game comes out. I rent it. Copy it, mail it back same day.

[steady sail]

im still waiting for that ssd bundle

[pastel nacelle]

My fallout 4 overhaul is like 600 gigs.

[wheat plume]

HAH, bashing on Logitech?! fuck yeah xd

(This is a foldable mechanical keyboard with phone holder from Royal Kludge)

[pale sigil]

Join the simple lift

[pastel nacelle]

Correction

My fallout folder is 540 gigabytes large.

[steep creek]

woww found a 990 pro for 80 euros cheaper im sending it

[balmy vector]

[pastel nacelle]

I have tale of two wastelands with verylast kiss

Which is a mash up of fallout 3 and new vegas.

Fallout 4 StoryWealth and Vaultboy.

And fallout london.

540gigs im down.

[steady sail]

if next month gonna be great im just gonna pick up this Crucial BX500 2TB its gonna be fine for games LOL

[pale sigil]

I've been waiting patiently for a 4tb deal

[balmy vector]

Same honestly

[steady sail]

4tb drives are too expensive in Hungary

[pale sigil]

Almost got one not long ago but I wouldn't have been able to use it for months.

[pastel nacelle]

Last crimmas It was 210 dolla.

[iron wave]

Does anyone happen to know how one would create a builder that collects collectively more generics?

Something like

Something<T> something = Something.builder()
    .add(T::fieldA) // Function<T, A> <T, A>
    .add(T::fieldB) // Function<T, B> <T, A, B>
    .add(T::fieldC) // Function<T, C> <T, A, B, C>
    .build(T::new); // Function3<A, B, C, T> <T>

Something<O> something2 = Something.builder()
    .add(O::fieldA) // Function<O, A> <O, A>
    .add(O::fieldB) // Function<O, B> <O, A, B>
    .build(O::new); // Function2<A, B, O> <O>

I can't think of a decent way of doing this.

[steady sail]

coding

[unkempt lake]

remember to update the firmware first thing when you get it

Or else its gonna kill itself quickly

[steep creek]

yep i will. but if it dies i rma it anyways

[iron wave]

Oh wow.

The RGB SDK hasn't been infected. Let's goooooo.

[ashen spindle]

infected by what, rust?

[iron wave]

Si.

[steep creek]

[crimson wigeon]

... yet..

[iron wave]

Please don't ruin more code.

[fair gull]

im not sure if this is possible tbh

im also unsure when youd ever want this

[iron wave]

There is a way to do it, there are a couple of libs that do this but I don't want to just copy their implementation. .-.

[fair gull]

that sounds like black magic to me

id love to see how thats done

[iron wave]

That's lame.

[tidal basin]

İf you're out of ideas how to code: try to ask ChatGPT to help 🤣

[iron wave]

https://github.com/Mojang/DataFixerUpper

[iron wave]

No.

asdf

Funky.

[fair gull]

maybe i cant find it but it doesnt seem to have what you described

[iron wave]

I think this is it: https://github.com/Mojang/DataFixerUpper/blob/master/src/main/java/com/mojang/serialization/codecs/RecordCodecBuilder.java

[fair gull]

they do the usualy extra methods

[iron wave]

Every time I do submodules in Gradle I am annoyed that it doesn't use Path.

[fair gull]

i think youre misunderstanding what the applicative does

or im misreading the java

[iron wave]

Or I'm misremembering how it is used.

[balmy vector]

im just here to learn

[iron wave]

The place that knows the most about this library I can't access right now.

.-.

[fair gull]

https://github.com/Mojang/DataFixerUpper/blob/master/src/main/java/com/mojang/datafixers/kinds/Applicative.java#L80

this is the actual code youre interested in

but that doesnt build some highly dynamic thing

if you need more args you listerally just create more functions

[iron wave]

I do love that you can do stuff like

public enum Example {
    VALUEA {
        @Override
        public void doStuff() {
            System.out.println("Stuff A");
        }
    },
    VALUEB {
        @Override
        public void doStuff() {
            System.out.println("Stuff B");
        }
    },
    ;

    public abstract void doStuff();
}

Hrm.

I must be misremembering how that works then....

Eh, I'll dig though some real usages later I suppose.

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/0hxzizDgXNo

grok

[iron wave]

Grok did what exTwitter don't.

[reef patrol]

Claim that Trump supported Harris?

[iron wave]

Yeah that's so funny.

[wheat plume]

XD

[iron wave]

I'm surprised I didn't see stuff about E*** flipping out.

    WINDOWS {
        @Override
        boolean check(String name) {
            return name.contains("window");
        }

        @Override
        public boolean isBadOs() {
            return true;
        }
    },

[vagrant pagoda]

someone else tha names drives by the make/model

[rustic ravine]

Does the wooting have snap tap?

[reef patrol]

Our competitors have Rappy Snappy

[frozen sky]

the wooting has last input based socd
(which is the thing razer calls snap tap)

[ashen spindle]

#⏬│rappy_and_snappy

[copper dust]

Is there a white wooting60he coming or no

[proud scroll]

does anyone know if there are other projects out there like lightfx extender. im kicking myself for not finding out a long time ago. its abandoned. there's a mod for payday 2 that goes along with it and it would be cool if worked with wooting keyboards.
https://github.com/Archomeda/lightfx-extender

[digital cliff]

not a plastic one

[copper dust]

oooh so I’ll have to get the aluminium case and white keycaps + cord if I want a white one?

[digital cliff]

for the moment yeah

[copper dust]

Kk thanks

[faint bone]

could u not just get a new case for the keyboard if u really wanted?

[digital cliff]

that's literally what was said 🤔

[faint bone]

damn im too high for this ahahah mb bro

[merry matrix]

how to fix switches getting stuck/jammed? Every time I hit my A key it stays pressed for like half a second before coming up again

[digital cliff]

uhhhh

that should not be happening at all

did you lube them?

[merry matrix]

no

[halcyon moss]

which keyboard/ which switches?

[merry matrix]

hyperx alloy origins, hyperx blues

honestly just gonna get new kb i think my warranty for this has ran out alr

[halcyon moss]

why are you asking that on a wooting discord? 😄

[merry matrix]

lowkey forgot lmao

mb

[halcyon moss]

no worries

[lean breach]

Hey all,

Is it possible to run the DSP cable from the Moondrop x Crinacle DUSK that recently released, through a "type C female to male USB A" cable into the PC and be able to make use of the DSP's functions? Instead of the 3.5mm.

Appreciate any help!

[fair gull]

try it?

[lean breach]

asking cause i need to buy an extension cable

dont wann waste some money hahaha

[iron wave]

Those are some really weird looking earbuds.

Considering that's not a passive device adapting it to USB A is probably fine. It shouldn't be using the alternative USB C mode for analog audio.

[final flame]

yes, it will work

won't be able to change presets on PC though since there is only a mobile app

[final flame]

they're iems, nothing really out of the ordinary as a iem

[iron wave]

Still earbuds and still weird looking.

[final flame]

earbuds sit on the outside of the ear, iems insert and create a seal

weird looking is subjective, but by your standards every iem would look "weird"

[iron wave]

Ear buds go in your ears.

[final flame]

Earbuds

they don't create a seal

[lean breach]

yh thats fine, heard the default dsp should be similar to what i enjoy

[final flame]

the alternative would be using something like autoeq and running a eq to do the same thing the dsp cable is doing
Crinacle afaik uploaded the Eq parameters for all of the profiles

https://crinacle.com/2024/04/10/moondrop-x-crinacle-dusk-eq-dsp-values/

[lean breach]

yeah but ive never delved into eq-ing myself so i aint the most sure

also heard about an eq software called peace eq

[final flame]

Peace is a alternative GUI that's used with Autoeq
you would need to install both

[wheat plume]

Steam Deck OLED is no longer on the Bazzite download list??

it used to be there

[reef patrol]

(Go ask them? We are not Bazzite customer support)

[ashen spindle]

too late mansen, with that reply you have been transformed into one!

[vagrant pagoda]

They likely just make the steam deck image work for both

[wheat plume]

likely

[vagrant pagoda]

5 min of Google says that's what it is

OLED was experimental, now it's official supported

[ashen spindle]

5 minutes of google is too fast if you can wait 10 minutes on a discord reply :p

[wheat plume]

....8gb holy shit

[halcyon moss]

Gnome on deck?

[wheat plume]

I prefer gnome desktop

[iron wave]

XFCE my beloved.

What is that?

[wheat plume]

XFCE is hella ugly

and no touch support or Wayland;-;

[iron wave]

Wayland is being worked on.

Also it looks fine?

I like how minimal it is, how it's pretty easy to get it to do what I want and how stable it is.

[wheat plume]

yeh, its stable for sure

[proud scroll]

so i found this so far https://www.project-aurora.com/

[iron wave]

I've had some really weird Plasma issues.

Does anyone here happen to know much about Kernel personalities? I think it would be interesting to play with them.

[unkempt lake]

https://www.wired.com/story/amd-chip-sinkclose-flaw/

Bios patch planned later this month in next agesa

[iron wave]

Eh, that doesn't sound as bad as people are saying.

[ashen spindle]

also not relevant unless you are tageted by nation state actors

[iron wave]

Your box already needs to be pwned to use it.

[ashen spindle]

you need to have kernel access to abuse that

so not even just regular acces

[iron wave]

Anticheat exploit chain let's go!

[steep creek]

solution: don’t play anticheat games

[balmy vector]

indies keep winning!

[ashen spindle]

I mean, sure, if you compromise riot and then get a way in to compromise vanguard, but that's the same as compromising anything else and then having pc access and use something that doesnt need kernel access

[iron wave]

The chain might have to look something like (userland exploit -> kernel exploit) or (driver exploit) -> this exploit -> rewrite UEFI with signature bypass/leaked private key -> bootkit.

Because you're already in the kernel you're basically as far as you need to go unless you're doing long term stealth stuff that a nation state would want to do.

[unkempt lake]

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/product-security/bulletin/amd-sb-7014.html

Wtf tho

No fix planned on 3000 series

Thats dumb

[iron wave]

Probably not deployed in anything particularly sensitive these days.

[ashen spindle]

thats not unusual for some of these things and thats just desktop not server

[unkempt lake]

Still should be fixed

[iron wave]

If the government/giant corps aren't running the chips it doesn't matter.

[unkempt lake]

Not an excuse

[iron wave]

Plus it's a great window into the chips for security research.

[unkempt lake]

2018 era hardware just doesn't deserve fixes?

[iron wave]

It's just not an issue.

[unkempt lake]

Are we really saying that

[ashen spindle]

I think you vastly overestimate how this can be used

[unkempt lake]

Oh i know its niche

[ashen spindle]

no it is more than niche

[unkempt lake]

I just think amd should actually support their products

[iron wave]

Your OS needs to be pwned before this can be used.

[unkempt lake]

I know you'd need physical access

And that its basically impossible for anything to happen to a regular user

[ashen spindle]

if you have physical access there are like 10 things that are easier to do and even those arent used

[unkempt lake]

I still think that this is fucking moronic that amd won't fix it on 3000

[ashen spindle]

who knows if it even can be fixed

[unkempt lake]

Like a 2019 product

Its not THAT old

[ashen spindle]

or can be fixed without massive performance penalty

[unkempt lake]

I get ya

Like the intel spectre meltdown thing

[ashen spindle]

those are easier to use for a bad actor than this

[unkempt lake]

I'd just rather them show commitment to their product and let the user decide what they want to do

You get what i mean?

[iron wave]

It's like saying the room to the security cameras is unlocked when you need to bypass the cameras in the first place to get that far. Just not an issue.

[unkempt lake]

I

Know

[ashen spindle]

yes I get your point its just not realistic or needed

[unkempt lake]

It's more about the principle of keeping support for old hardware

How is it not realistic

[ashen spindle]

because the speculation starts out that it is possible in the first place to fix it via software updates which we dont know

[unkempt lake]

I guess

Still i'd rather see a we're investigsting than no fix planned

[iron wave]

You know that hacker bell chart where the people on the left and right don't care but the one on the peak of the graph cares? I'm in the right 2nd or 3rd division. :V

It's better for them to not spend the time and money on something that doesn't matter.

[analog sinew]

i wonder if these fancy exploits really matter when a good chunk of users is dumb enough to click on obv scams

[unkempt lake]

from a corporste standpojnt yeah it doesnt make sense

[iron wave]

From a security standpoint it doesn't either.

[ashen spindle]

its something used for nation state hacking or similar levels not regular african prince scams

[unkempt lake]

As a consumer i find it frustrating to see companies not show the same level of support for older hardwsre

That's my complaint

[iron wave]

It's also good for researchers to have access to RING-1.

[ashen spindle]

I mean I rather see them support hardware in ways that matter like that you can actually use them on the mainboard instead of locking it down because firmware devs are busy patching zen1

[unkempt lake]

Like i don't care what it is i feel like it should be addressed for older hardware and not just have the door closed like that or at least be transparent about no fix possible/why its not possible

People shat on intel about spectre and meltdown for not supporting older hardware and ignoring the issue

it'd be hypocritical to not hold amd to the same standard

[iron wave]

To be fair I didn't complain about that either.

[ashen spindle]

this isn't the same level though and unlike spectre you cant just exploit that from websites

if this was something regular user could run into sure

[iron wave]

Yeah, true.

For this if you want a website to exploit it you would need a chain like json exploit -> sandbox exploit -> kernel exploit (you are screwed here) -> chip exploit instead of json directly exploits chip.

[unkempt lake]

what about a compromised kernel anti cheat

Has ring 0 access

[iron wave]

Already screwed.

[ashen spindle]

I think then you have an issue where they can compromise it with whatever they fancy

[unkempt lake]

This one sticks even after swapping your drives tho

[ashen spindle]

aka if you compromise vanguard do it with something that works on intel too and suddenly you quadruple your gains

[unkempt lake]

Gotta reflash the mobo

To fix it

You are ultra screwed

[ashen spindle]

no it says this one could be used for something like that and it's not the only way either

[iron wave]

The more generic your exploits the better too.

Unless it's some hyper targeted nation state thing it really doesn't matter that much in this case.

[unkempt lake]

I still think they should try to fix it for 3000 if possible

[iron wave]

Waste of resources.

[ashen spindle]

if its something simple and doesnt need validation etc. sure otherwise idk if its needed

[iron wave]

This is the sort of thing that you would want validation and regression tests for.

Hrm, where is sys/personality.h?

Eh, I can just clone it.

Don't process personalities allow the kernel to use different syscall tables?

[iron wave]

static __always_inline struct task_struct *get_current(void)
{
    if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_USE_X86_SEG_SUPPORT))
        return this_cpu_read_const(const_pcpu_hot.current_task);

    return this_cpu_read_stable(pcpu_hot.current_task);
}

Got to love kernel mAgIc.

Now to find task_struct after lunch.

[digital cliff]

I think that's also sort of deprecated, artemisRGB is the jam now I think

also signalRGB does some things apparently

[proud scroll]

it has a free version but the pro version is the one with the game integration.

[tidal basin]

wow look at this, what you guys think?
https://fluxkeyboard.com/

https://fluxkeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Sequence-01-Coffeecleaning-1-1.mp4

[halcyon moss]

its been talked about before whebn the kickstarter happened

or.. what ever they used

[steep creek]

their updates are private, only for backers also havent really heard much of them after that meetup in australia

[tidal basin]

hmmm so a dead project?

[halcyon moss]

its cool, but i dont look at my keyboard

[steep creek]

same

all ive heard so far from this company is shipment being pushed back. cool concept though

[ashen spindle]

more designer piece than something to use

[lyric hatch]

Vaporware until proven otherwise

[tidal basin]

İ Was trying to find a page i had come across with separate mini screens on each key, to compose a suggestion here for a new wooting KB, when i came across the above..

[lyric hatch]

Been like 2 years since it was showed off first

[steep creek]

i wouldnt mind delays as much, as long as theres plenty of transparency and updates

[tidal basin]

İt looks amazing though 😄

[lyric hatch]

Very ambitious project for a first product

[steep creek]

imagine the powerdraw with hall sensors and a display tho lol

[tidal basin]

yea they say in their tech specs it needs 1.5A

[lyric hatch]

Flux isn't hall effect though is it

[tidal basin]

they say they use hall effect

read that page

[lyric hatch]

Centrepiece is suppose to be

[steep creek]

it is hall

[tidal basin]

Anyhow if that project is dead, maybe wooting can pickup on the idea of the display for dynamic key caps...
The screen under it is welcome also ofcourse but not required...

[ashen spindle]

seems like a massive waste imo that just adds insane cost for a keyboard

[tidal basin]

massive waste? how so? imagine you can put custom icons on your keys by demand...

[ashen spindle]

I dont look at my keyboard

[tidal basin]

one hardware, and you support all locales in the world at once..

[ashen spindle]

think buying a set of keycaps will always be cheaper than having a screen run for that

[tidal basin]

you mean you are blind?
or just type blind?

[ashen spindle]

even if I wouldnt type blind I would at best look at letters not wanting a movie on my keyboard

so at best its just used to display something instead of printing it on a keyboard which seems like a massive waste to me

[tidal basin]

ohhh youre talking about the video under it.. yea thats overkill

[steep creek]

i guess the idea of it is nice but have to agree with quin, just seems too costly

in terms of different icons for apps like editing, whatever else

[tidal basin]

The costly part will make it interesting for those that can spend it, (Cash for the company)

[lyric hatch]

Call me pessimistic but I don't see it hitting the market without being somewhat scuffed

Those translucent keycaps can't feel good to type on

[tidal basin]

İts like GPUs...some are more expensive as others, but they do sell also

[ashen spindle]

yeah except for gpus or even expensive custom keyboards they are usually better at something and not just a designer piece

[tidal basin]

it all depends on what the consumer wants...
Same with RGB lighting...

[ashen spindle]

paying more for worse feel, at best same performance seems like not what almost every keyboard user would want

[lyric hatch]

Also companies that make GPUs usually have a history of making good products - this is this companies first product

[tidal basin]

forget about that company...im talking about their idea...

[ashen spindle]

yeah but rgb lightning is a side grade and very cheap

nothing about this is cheap or something that's just an add on

[tidal basin]

Dont forget every new tech inventor is first labeled as a goof and not worth it, untill his idea starts to sell and earn cash...

[ashen spindle]

no they arent xD

[steep creek]

lol

[ashen spindle]

that argument I only ever hear from NFT crypto bros before they promote the next big scam lol

[tidal basin]

let me assure you im anti NFT 😛

[ashen spindle]

just because it happened to steve jobs or something doesnt mean it happens to everyone haha

[tidal basin]

it doesnt happen to anyone....it is created...

you need refreshing new ideas to make new stuff

its not magically handed to you

[ashen spindle]

yeah but new ideas are usually showing some sort of benefit not just what seems to me purely worse options

[digital cliff]

pretty much

[tidal basin]

most benefits of new ideas you only understand after using that idea...

[ashen spindle]

I dont need to understand them after when I see what it claims and it does that at a super high price

if you can make this cheaper than swapping out keycaps it would be amazing

[digital cliff]

sometimes yes, however having used keyboards before... I can confidently say that a 1000€ keyboard that is also a screen is a bad product

[tidal basin]

imagine what they said to the first person who said lets make a screen with colored leds..
Nahh man thats too much work and costly..no one will buy that.

And nowerdays who is still using CRT screens? 🤣

[ashen spindle]

ok but you can already see a benefit from that

this doesnt have benefits aside from price

[tidal basin]

same with those dynamic keyboards...
who knows what others might think of how to use them in future?

[ashen spindle]

ok but they themselves dont have anything really useful even as a vision lol

[tidal basin]

bottom line: Always stay open to new ideas

[ashen spindle]

yeah and I am open to think its a stupid idea after evaluating it

[tidal basin]

like i said forget THEM...
Concetrate on the idea

[ashen spindle]

yeah I dont see what benefit the idea could have

[tidal basin]

np everyone is free to have thier opinion...thats what makes the market flow

[ashen spindle]

can you come up with anything that would make this a benefit and not just expensive showpiece

[tidal basin]

from the top of my head: No need to manufacture different layout sets per locale... There are a lot in the world..

unles you just want to stick to english markets

[ashen spindle]

so as I said just if it ever somehow gets cheaper to make a screen and transparent keycaps that work just as well vs plastic keycaps

which seems incredibly unlikely

[tidal basin]

Next: imagine stat graphs on your KB instead of a separate mini display etc...

[wheat plume]

COSMIC looks great so far :D

[ashen spindle]

why would I want that on my kb

[wheat plume]

Why are they using the VS Code icon??

[ashen spindle]

people already dont use the screens for anything more than random stats that they dont know what it means like cpu or ram usage

[tidal basin]

you might not, some others might want...

[tidal basin]

no idea maybe their WEB template uses it

[tidal basin]

The stats i have on my screen are internet DL/UL and Storage R/W + CPU usage lol

By the way i asked in past in another channel i believe:
İS that "Wooting Glove" real or just a joke i saw in one of the wooting vids?

[ashen spindle]

the what

[tidal basin]

looked great also

the glove with magnets

[ashen spindle]

uhhhh

[tidal basin]

its in one of those vids on the wooting youtube channel

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=_GznxgqSYUA ohh this one

[tidal basin]

yes ! that

[ashen spindle]

I uh, I hope I dont have to seriously answer that

[tidal basin]

it actually looks cool 😄

[ashen spindle]

its some random safety glove..

[tidal basin]

Two factor autentication?
Nahh we have hardware locked keyboard, you need special gloves to operate it hahaha

[steep creek]

check the date the video was uploaded lol

[tidal basin]

Thats why i asked lol

[ashen spindle]

I dont think I can take you serious if you watch that and think there is a remote chance its real

[tidal basin]

Everything i see is real for me 😛
Ofcourse if it isnt Aİ generated

But... to delve into that idea a bit more...
How about a new keyboard that uses heat sense instead of magnetic hall effect?

no more caps at all that need to be pressed

[final flame]

that seems absurdly inconvinient because you can't rest your fingers

[rigid adder]

what are the differences between razer huntsman pro v3 mini and wooting 60he+

[tidal basin]

sure you can... it would just react on difference of pressure (more or less heat)

[final flame]

your fingers don't get hotter on more pressure kek

[wheat plume]

gonna swap to bazzite on my Deck :D

once the dd command finishes, gonna take so long cause its an 8GB ISO ;-;

[final flame]

the surface would get hotter due to contact time, not pressure

[tidal basin]

when you press you produce more heat, when you take away your vinger it registers less heat cause of distance

[gusty kiln]

why

[wheat plume]

I like Fedora... and its more updated than SteamOS

[ashen spindle]

bc its back to weekly distro swaps for lana

[gusty kiln]

[wheat plume]

Weekly, nah, ive been on Fedora for over a year now xd

[tidal basin]

Grats you will be so happy

[ashen spindle]

thats why I said its back to

[wheat plume]

do per game TDP and GPU Clock settings work the same as on SteamOS?

[tidal basin]

no idea i dont make use of ether

[rigid adder]

can someone tell me

[wheat plume]

I saw for the Ally X video, you need to use TDP handheld software or something by triple tapping the start button

[tidal basin]

Join their discord and ask before you switch 😉

[ashen spindle]

do you expect people in the discord for one of them would give the best answer and a fair comparison

[wheat plume]

Im not looking forward to transfering my games to my external HDD, cause that thing is hella slow

the ones on the SD card can stay on the card though

[pastel nacelle]

when you sleeps

[wheat plume]

😅 this is gonna take a while

[tidal basin]

or between the pron vids 🤣

[rigid adder]

well, can you tell me

[ashen spindle]

no because I dont know shit about razer

[wheat plume]

60HE+ is better, because you do not need to deal with Razer Synapse bloatware..

[ashen spindle]

but if people would think its better they likely would be in the razer discord and vice versa

[wheat plume]

and Wooting are a very transparent and community focused company

[tidal basin]

Most attractive part of wooting: no bloatware to install like razers...

[pastel nacelle]

I have a sata external hdd dock.

but no NAS yet.

[wheat plume]

I want to use a Pi to make a NAS, purely cause saying I have a large PiNAS is really funny XD

[tidal basin]

i have 2x 4TB NVMe so im good for a while...

[wheat plume]

3gb left to write...

[tidal basin]

9.3MB/s ouch...

[wheat plume]

slow ass USB

[tidal basin]

ahh well things take time...

[wheat plume]

im glad there is a way to make dd show progress though

last time I used dd, I didnt have that flag and just had to wait until it finished and I had no idea if it was still working or had stopped or whatever

[tidal basin]

yup dd status=progress

[wheat plume]

idk wtf oflag flag is

but the guide had it there

[tidal basin]

i also alwasy use oflag=sync

[wheat plume]

XD what does it do?

[tidal basin]

makes the writes synchronous, eg waits until one write finishes before the next batch of write

[wheat plume]

I legit wont have time to do this tonight :/ If I have to transfer the games first :/

[tidal basin]

otherwise it all stays in RAM

[wheat plume]

its already 8:30 ;-;

[wheat plume]

oooohhh

[tidal basin]

just put your pc to work while you sleep

[wheat plume]

is reading from a HDD faster than writing to it?

cause im also not looking forward to transfering the games back to the SSD

[tidal basin]

most likely it reads faster from your HDD as it writes to your external SSD...

[ashen spindle]

wait cant you just partition the ssd install the os there and not have to deal with moving everything back and forth?

[tidal basin]

Some SSDs aree optimized for reads and slow for writes...depends on your brand and model

[wheat plume]

Vendor: Unknown
oh really now? XXDD

[tidal basin]

İts best, and recommended, to install bazzite on a separate drive...

[wheat plume]

nah, im installing straight to the Deck's SSD

[ashen spindle]

yeah its not a seperate drive so thats why I wonder if you cant just partition it

[wheat plume]

dual boot?

[tidal basin]

IIRC, The deck (Ally) had problems with external SSDs.... they might have or not fixed that yet

[pastel nacelle]

depends on what nvme you got and usually the read is faster from the HDD

[ashen spindle]

no just partition it so you dont need to move games back and forth

and then just delete steamos files on the leftover partition if you need the space

instead of taking ages to copy games back and forth

[tidal basin]

ALSO: NTFS is not a good filesystem for Linux as OS filesystem...

[wheat plume]

Why tf would you use NTFS on Linux?!

BTRFS FTW

[pastel nacelle]

linux has its own format

[tidal basin]

Exactly

[pastel nacelle]

ntfs is like just windows

[wheat plume]

^

NTFS is shit, even on Windows 😅

[pastel nacelle]

FAT or BTRFS

[tidal basin]

NTFS = No The Fuck System 🤣

[wheat plume]

ayooo, bazzite USB is done :D

[tidal basin]

grats

[wheat plume]

now to plug in the HDD and transfer the games

[pastel nacelle]

actually

[steep creek]

missed opportunity to kall it kolphin

[tidal basin]

how big was your USB?

[pastel nacelle]

doesnt linux also have like EXT4

[wheat plume]

Yeah, EXT4 is default

[tidal basin]

still has but its used less and less nowerdays

[wheat plume]

except for Fedora really

Wait, Arch "defaults" to BTRFS also now, its the default selection when you use the archinstall script and the recommended choice for file system

[steep creek]

opensuse also uses BTRFS i think

[wheat plume]

oh, maybe

[tidal basin]

how big was your USB size?
The iso doesnt fit on a 8GB stick...

[wheat plume]

I havent tried OpenSUSE before

[wheat plume]

64GB

[tidal basin]

ok

[pastel nacelle]

me accidentally nukes usb loader

ded usb

64gb brick

[tidal basin]

how you mean?

[wheat plume]

your bootloader is on a USB??

[tidal basin]

i never heard of a usb loader 🤣

[pastel nacelle]

was trying stuff out

[wheat plume]

they are typically used as a security measure, the system cant boot unless the USB is plugged in

[tidal basin]

yea so, and what did you do and what was bricked?

[tidal basin]

oh really?

[pastel nacelle]

i was wiping off other crap on the usb to make room for other programs

[tidal basin]

What did you use the USB for then? To boot from or what?

[pastel nacelle]

testing if it worked

otherwise i have a backup

[tidal basin]

if what worked?

[wheat plume]

the USB basically acts like GRUB,

the bootloader is on the USB Drive, so the system cant figure out what to boot into without it p;lugged in

[tidal basin]

i think...he has his UEFİ setup to boot from HD/nvme instead of his USB..
He needs to press F8 to select to boot from the usb 😉

USB boot option is never saved in CMOS

USB drives are external non-fixed (removable) disks...

[wheat plume]

oh, maybe it wont take too long to transfer the games over

[pastel nacelle]

remember when transferring a few hundred mb took a whole day

[tidal basin]

oof never use dolphin to copy backups over...
use rsync much saver

[wheat plume]

....wait, I need to find the game ID, to copy over the fucking acf file

[wheat plume]

rsync?

[pastel nacelle]

me not sure how steam ID works when i use secondary drive

[tidal basin]

yup it copies better

[pastel nacelle]

i just copy my game save ID to the new save.

[tidal basin]

rsync can also continue after a stopped or aborted transfer...eg incremental

[pastel nacelle]

ah here it is

i bricked my usb using rufus

[tidal basin]

copy a bit today and continue next day etc

[pastel nacelle]

or was it using darik boot and nuke

anyway the led in the usb doesnt turn on

[tidal basin]

Thats not "Bricking", bricking is hardware wise...

[pastel nacelle]

then wat did i do then lol

[tidal basin]

all you did is overwrite the boot loader

you should still be able to see all data if you access it using another OS

unless you wiped the partition table also lol

[pastel nacelle]

i might have

[tidal basin]

all in all, you are still able to reformat it

[pastel nacelle]

i have 2 pcs that dont detect it in hardware monitor :/

[wheat plume]

I wish Nautilus did split view like Dolphin...

But GNOME devs are gonna be like NO, FUCK YOU WE AINT ADDING THAT

[pastel nacelle]

anyway old news i exchanged it at microcenter.

[steep creek]

lol gnome devs are competing with apple in terms of being cautious of adding too many features at once

[tidal basin]

if it has no partition table you wont see any "Drives" for them...
try Linux sudo fdisk -l