🔌│tech

[sharp badger]

https://videocardz.com/newz/gunnir-launches-arc-a770-750-photon-elden-ring-special-edition-gpu

[smoky frigate]

https://www.404media.co/google-is-paying-reddit-60-million-for-fucksmith-to-tell-its-users-to-eat-glue/

if you're wondering why the google AI has been entertaining lately, google is paying good money for that

[halcyon moss]

60 million is peanuts for google

[smoky frigate]

man how I wish for them to fail by this point

[quasi storm]

Do enyone know why my wooting double movement is fuckt in fortnite? i'm lagging, i can't build, i can't edit, does eenyone know how to fix it?

[steep creek]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/23/24163383/spotify-car-thing-discontinued-december-2024

offering no refunds lol

[crimson wigeon]

What's not to like

[sharp badger]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-ally-x-specs-leaked-24gb-lpddr5x-7500-memory-and-massive-80-wh-battery

[unkempt lake]

The new google ai everyone

Have random trolling from reddit make it to the results

[fair gull]

literally the same as not even 20messages above

[raw garnet]

can someone help me

[crimson wigeon]

Don't ask to ask

[raw garnet]

my wooting on fortnite keeps changing inputs from controller to one second then back to kbm

[ashen spindle]

#1019723042244534282

[fair gull]

@astral haven so both memtest pro and occt cant find issues. memtestpro on the dimms and occt on vram/load (did a combined test to make sure its the gpu overall or not)

[astral haven]

cant, interesting

sounds like ddu time

[fair gull]

already did yesterday but after that still got a bsod relating to the same driver nvlddmkm or whatever its called

just the bug check changed from video tdr fault to system threat exception

also changing the stack ofc so now the error was from ntoskernel not dxgkernel

[astral haven]

have you run sfc /scannow and dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth?

[fair gull]

yes yes

[astral haven]

ripperoni i have zero idea then

[fair gull]

actually first before ddu and then again after cause i though a bsod might have crapped the files

[sharp badger]

Have you tried swapping the GPU?

[reef patrol]

When in doubt, grab an old HDD or something and do a clean install to compare

[fair gull]

not yet cause i wanted a setup to replicate the crash reliably

the thing is it happened yesterday withing minutes of boot once.... then not again the entire evening

same for the last weekend. happened once and then not again for 3 days

[fair gull]

i hapen to have a completely empty disk due to clenaup anyway

[reef patrol]

Reminds me of my issues with mixing RAM on my 5600X. So glad I got that swapped out.

[fair gull]

ram was my first suspect since thats often the culprit for such off sometime errors

[astral haven]

yea, its strange that there arent any errors from memtest or occt...

[fair gull]

also rechecked that i dont have any OC on the cpu or such

the only oc if we can call it that is XMP

i also thought about reflashing the GPU bios with a programmer

[reef patrol]

Wasn't the case for me either. But somehow mixing two sets of slightly different timings and setting a global XMP profile was the cause.

If I removed one set, it was stable but I only had 16GB of RAM.

Can't say I've had that ever.

[fair gull]

in my case its the same set of sticks since day 1 which is paired corsair dimms from the same set

[ashen spindle]

no xmp means you run jedec and dont need to do memory training on reboot so that tracks, and most xmp settings are garbage anway for secondary timings onwards so that tracks

[astral haven]

thats pretty normal

am5 just has dramatically slower training than other platforms so you notice it more, but on mem configs with more than 128gb or more than 8 sticks it gets real slow

[reef patrol]

Shouldn't need to train more than once though.

Aka. the infamous "oh no POST for a full minute, cause haha fuck you this is DDR5"

[ashen spindle]

eh that first long training has been drastically improved

[reef patrol]

Can't say I can recognize that. It took my PC a minute and a half to POST the first time.

[astral haven]

you only need 1 major training, but you still need to nail in the sticks the subsequent times, and not all subs get saved

[reef patrol]

[ashen spindle]

the solution is manual timings or just run jedec and increase resolution till you are gpu limited

[astral haven]

theres 100+ parameters per stick that get tuned on the back end, and something like 15? of them get saved

[reef patrol]

But that sounds like WORK.

You'd think an XMP profile was... well... a preset 😄

[astral haven]

not all timings are even exposed

[ashen spindle]

oh it is but lots of settings are set to auto and not specific values

just hope like me that with lpcamm we get less memory OC so it wont be an issue

[astral haven]

its a preset, but alot of the settings depend on the motherboard electrical properties and the cpu memory controller

[reef patrol]

Sure. And when it has successfully timed right and booted, a sane person would assume it to store those for the next time 😄

[astral haven]

and the interactions between the controller, motherboard, and sticks are complex

[astral haven]

sane people dont allow ooe and predictive execution to exist, yet noone would buy a cpu without them

[ashen spindle]

expo is also saved on the stick and read from it not on the board so you dont want to override that

[fair gull]

so digging into the memory dump the reason i got a system thread exception was that nvlddmkm tried to access memory but that failed

pretty sure it somehow tried to read inaccessible memory

@astral haven apparently today it just takes longer

i guess i won the lottery

[reef patrol]

[fair gull]

cant computex come faster and the release of new gpus/cpus as well

[ashen spindle]

if its vram error could resolder the chips if you have a place that can do that around

if its the actual chips

[fair gull]

wish there was smth like memtest that shows the chips causing the errors

[astral haven]

im pretty sure there is a tool that does it? its just omega jank, and its probably the memory controller not the chips that died

try dropping the frequency, 500mhz will noiceably drop performance but youll still be around 2080super level

[fair gull]

vram freq you mean?

[astral haven]

ye

[fair gull]

i assume buttburner by msi is still the preferred tool for this?

[astral haven]

if you have geforce experience installed, you can use that built in tool but otherwise yea

[fair gull]

i didnt reinstall it when doing the DDU

[astral haven]

then afterburner it is

[fair gull]

interesting that unlike other errors its only a handful and not thousands

[astral haven]

nvidia has built in error correction

you are only seeing the errors that get past the correction

[fair gull]

wonder why it didnt bsod during occt though

if this is the reason for the crashes

ok no further errors except those 9

[astral haven]

occt tries to not crash, crashing is inconvenient for fixing stability issues

[old marlin]

there is actually lol

rip

don't got a contact for it anymore

[astral haven]

@ashen spindle whats the confidence of 512b actually happening this time, or are the rumors yesterday standard real leak bait

[ashen spindle]

of what

there is so much shit coming out you need to specify xD

[astral haven]

blackwell 32gb/512b bus

[ashen spindle]

oh blackwell we know basically nothing of still

for consumer I should clarify, data center we got some things but thats not really saying anything for consumer variants

we know its monolithic, very dense and different pcbs for different skus

[astral haven]

i hope for 512b bus, mem bw go brr

[ashen spindle]

at first it was said it was the first real rework of the cores since volta but thats been more vague as of late, which I speculate means they might have pulled in a smaller redesign and call that blackwell and rubin is the original rework but really not much to go about

oh and that 5080 is coming out before the 5090 apparently

[pale sigil]

But will there be two 5080s

[unkempt lake]

relatable i want a new cpu

[nimble canopy]

i just hope amd comes with at least something good

[ashen spindle]

cpu yes, gpu.. well unless you want a 4090 beater

[nimble canopy]

i would love a 4090 beater but looks like that not gonne happen
but would be happy enough with a 7900xtx but more effiecient

[unkempt lake]

I'm happy with my 7900xtx

[woven laurel]

[unkempt lake]

It's my 9700k that I want to replace

[ashen spindle]

well yeah I just wanted to confirm what bot wished for xD

[unkempt lake]

It's not bad at full 5120x1440 it's just if i play a game where i want to turn on like FSR to get extra frames

[woven laurel]

we want the new ryzen 9000 series

tableslap

[unkempt lake]

I was waiting for 14gen at first and then we saw how that turned out xD then i was like

Mehhhh 9700k can still pull another year till amd releases something new

[nimble canopy]

6900xt just not good enough for 7680x2160

[unkempt lake]

57 inch neo g9?

[nimble canopy]

yes

[unkempt lake]

I have the 49 inch and i wouldn't want bigger

Its already a behemoth

But

I'd be curious to see the 57 inch in person

@nimble canopy how much did you get your 57 inch for

[nimble canopy]

2500 euros

[reef patrol]

phrasing

[unkempt lake]

I got mine around the time that the 57 inch released, the 49 was on clearance got it for 1500canadian

[nimble canopy]

it fills my entire peripheral vision wich is realy nice for gaming

[unkempt lake]

I agree

It is an amazing feeling

[unkempt lake]

You're the one with the abnormal imagination Mansen

[nimble canopy]

but the 60 fps in drg is 🤮

[unkempt lake]

DRG?

[nimble canopy]

deep rock galactic

[unkempt lake]

That game runs on a potato normally

But yeah with that amount of pixels

Even non demanding games will struggle

[pale sigil]

Someone find and buy me a laptop

[unkempt lake]

You could always play with black bars @pale sigil

[pale sigil]

I miss my computer

I won't be home for like 6 months so I genuinely need a laptop 😭

[reef patrol]

Dragoon.

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-endwalker-final-fantasy14-aviriia-gif-24583651

[smoky frigate]

sounds like an opportunity for some craigslist-fu

[ashen spindle]

or renting perhaps

[pale sigil]

Renting eh

You mean like tony does where it's like a lease?

[ashen spindle]

yeah idk what stores do it over there or if its making sense for that time at all but could be worth a look

[pale sigil]

Maybe, the asshole government doesn't give me my disability while in hospital so I'm going to have no income.

But thankfully I have savings

[rough patrol]

how does that make sense

[smoky frigate]

thatcher and its consequences

have been a disaster for the english

[pale sigil]

Because the hospital is feeding and looking after me I don't need my money to live.

[rough patrol]

ok but you still need to pay rent to pay for the place you live usually

do they think you'll just find a new apartment after hospital stay???

and what about all the stuff in there

[reef patrol]

Welcome to public welfare in a nutshell.

[unkempt lake]

Maybe ask someone to sell your pc for you

[woven laurel]

no man

all of his bitcoins on that harddrive

[unkempt lake]

Take out the harddrives

[reef patrol]

But the german fetish pron!

https://tenor.com/view/how-high-high-420-germany-german-gif-5608127

[unkempt lake]

Lol

[smoky frigate]

as long as there are germans, there will be scat porn

[smoky frigate]

actually, wouldn't this be an opportunity to get a steam deck?

[reef patrol]

Already has one.

[woven laurel]

we can just pay tony for some extra

[pale sigil]

Sell my baby?

You mad?

[unkempt lake]

I mean 6 months is a long time

[pale sigil]

I still remote into my desktop jokes aside

And use moonlight

But it is something id have to consider because it might be 12 months, I need intensive rehabilitation but we don't know the scale of it till surgery.

Tbh id probably just try to sell the GPU

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/1czq45h/amd_doesnt_want_a_numerical_disadvantage_against/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

AMD marketing team is so petty

[pale sigil]

I had to buy an audio cable for my deck as I couldn't cope with the BT delay.

[ashen spindle]

idk we got like 3 different supposed names now so I wouldnt count out that they just fuck with people for false leaks

4 even

[astral haven]

1 ex pz way to sort out leakers is to give different leaks for the same thing

but the problem is if all of everyone is leaking, then you cant catch any lol

[ashen spindle]

at least we get to remove some credibility removed from some youtube leakers

with how different people expect zen5 is going to work out

[smoky frigate]

I wonder what they anticipate. it'll probably be a bit faster than the current gen. sorry to spoil it

[ashen spindle]

well we got one camp expecting 10-15% ipc and the other camp >30%

[unkempt lake]

Better temp management too hopefully

[ashen spindle]

?

[unkempt lake]

7800x3ds run hot

[ashen spindle]

and?

[unkempt lake]

Would be nice to see improvements for TDP

[ashen spindle]

temperature!=tdp

200W can end up at 30C and 20w can end up at 100C

[unkempt lake]

Tdp = releases more warm air around

Because power = heat

9700k @5ghz and 7900xtx is already a furnace

[ashen spindle]

7800x3d draw almost half the power of a 9700k

[astral haven]

peak, not average

[ashen spindle]

if I compare peak the 9700k goes even higher

[unkempt lake]

I have my 9700k at like 125w with my OC

[astral haven]

in game?

[unkempt lake]

Yep

[ashen spindle]

and the 7800x3d in gaming is like 70w top

[unkempt lake]

Then again im running it at 5.0 avx

Kinda expected

[astral haven]

yikes thats more than my 9900k was drawing at 5g allcore with power savings off

[unkempt lake]

All core avx?

Or sse with an offset

[astral haven]

no, in game

0 avx offset

in allcore avx i could easily hit 300w

[ashen spindle]

it gets warmer by design due to the heatspreader on am5, it doesnt actually cause more heat into the room because thats where temperature!= powerdraw

[astral haven]

this

[unkempt lake]

9700k does use more voltage than 9900k @astral haven

They're the bad 9900k bins basically

[ashen spindle]

a 100C 7800x3d causes like half the heat build up in a room vs a 80C 13900k

[astral haven]

and it should use less current since you have 20% less total bandwidth

[astral haven]

this

[unkempt lake]

Alao you're running like a 2080 ti @astral haven

I'm running a 7900xtx

My cpu gets pushed to its limits

[astral haven]

i was runing a 3090

although it actually used more power when i was using the 1060, because i wasnt playing on high graphics pretty much ever

[unkempt lake]

Also im saying 125w in like

Cpu intense games

Like HD2

Or doing a blender render

[astral haven]

yea in blender i was sucking back 300w ez pz

[unkempt lake]

In other games im more at like

110w?

[astral haven]

what would you say the average is

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/power-per-application.png

heres the 7800x3d

[ashen spindle]

tahts application not gaming

[astral haven]

oh oops

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/power-per-game.png

same average

[ashen spindle]

huh igors test had them like 15W more even

[unkempt lake]

Also

@ashen spindle my 7900xtx upgrade makes my breaker trip

[ashen spindle]

lol

[astral haven]

here be le setup

[unkempt lake]

I have 2 rigs
9400f + 2080
9700k + 7900xtx

Installes the ac

Plugged it in like usual

We start playing

Breaker pops

Then i realized

Ac takes 1000w

[ashen spindle]

anyway youy 9700k would be at the bottom of this part of the chart

[balmy vector]

Breaker cant handle the gaming power

[unkempt lake]

7900xtx on its own takes 400w

[ashen spindle]

ok yeah if you have an AC that draws a lot

[unkempt lake]

Residential breaker is 1800w

So...

Yeah

Wasn't an issue when i had a 2080 and nico had a 1660 lol

So i literally... ran an extension across the house

Down the stairs

So i can use a different breaker for the ac

Lmao

Dw i used a thick ass gauge

So its safe

[astral haven]

well with a fixed oc, you dont get the benefits of the modern power saving features, it absolutely would be near the upper end of the graph

[ashen spindle]

well just based on the claimed powerdraw, ignoring stock

[astral haven]

wdym

the claimed power draw in that graph is 110w

[ashen spindle]

based on this

point is the 9800x3d might cause just half the heating the current one does

[astral haven]

suppose you had a stock bulldozer and the user was saying 125w, what would the gaming power draw be

[ashen spindle]

given its 125 in helldivers im just taking that

[unkempt lake]

I'm fairly hyped for 9000

[astral haven]

if you are saying 125, it would be the highest on that chart by far lol

[unkempt lake]

Been itching for that upgrade

Then nico can use my 9700k in his rig

[astral haven]

the 10900k is only 112 there

[unkempt lake]

To replsce his 9400f

[ashen spindle]

yes thats my point dashi said its 125 so I just said based on that chart a new cpu doesnt need much better thermal management since it would raw around the same as the 78x3d that was all xD

[balmy vector]

I know whenever i upgrade years later ill most likely go amd

[smoky frigate]

yeah safe bet

[ashen spindle]

nah, always check what makes sense at the time

[unkempt lake]

I mean... just go with whatever's the best at the time

Brand loyality bad

[ashen spindle]

they can make a second bulldozer any time

[balmy vector]

Yeah if they keep doing good

[astral haven]

amd is known for 3 steps forward 2 steps back...

this generation of 4 steps forward is very much an outlier

[balmy vector]

We’ll see how time goes on for sure

[smoky frigate]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1czdze6/lisa_su_says_amd_is_on_track_to_a_100x_power/

pfffffffttttttt

[ashen spindle]

nah that tracks just with no additonal info it seems insane

[smoky frigate]

compared to the 2020 baseline

[ashen spindle]

yup

and on HPC and Ai training, not generic cpus or gpu tasks

[astral haven]

the actual PR
"Prioritizing energy efficiency at AMD is not new. In fact, we voluntarily set a goal for ourselves in 2014 to accelerate the typical use energy efficiency of our mobile processors to 25x by 2020. We met this goal and exceeded it by achieving a 31.7x improvement.

Last year we announced a new vision - a 30x25 goal - to achieve 30x energy efficiency improvement by 2025 from a 2020 baseline for our accelerated data center compute nodes."

[ashen spindle]

so basically mi400-next would hit that time

[astral haven]

https://community.amd.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/67299iB93525B69EA972BF/image-dimensions/1700?v=v2&px=-1
and their current progress

[ashen spindle]

no thats the 2022 update not the one from yesterday

[astral haven]

is there anything new there?

[smoky frigate]

I'll believe it when I see it

it's a hard claim is all

[astral haven]

how?

[ashen spindle]

I mean they started with 25x by 2020 back in 2014 and his that with 30something%

[distant tapir]

I just close my eyes when companies show self-produced charts.

[ashen spindle]

now they are shortly before 25 and mi350 is probably reaching the 30x by 25 later this year already

so going 2-3 years later in a not that much higher trajactory isn't unlikely

what happend is I imagine they got final number for el capitan with full build and are confident they can now hit these numbers

[astral haven]

its also worth noting that this isnt cpus, this is cpus + 4 gpus

[ashen spindle]

node level, so basically linpack performance per watt

so gpu, cpu, interconnect

[astral haven]

and gpus tend to be just about doubling in efficiency every 18 months already, and amd was pretty far behind in 2020

gotta remember this is just improvement, not absolute

[ashen spindle]

yeah if they had told anyone what the plan was for mi300 in 2020 most people would have not trusted them to execute at all

basically it is ambitious but doesnt really say anything new and still is just marketing but not outlandish claims

[astral haven]

what is the fp4 or int4 on mi300?

[ashen spindle]

idk if it has fp4/int4

[astral haven]

theres zero shot it has no support

worst case its 1:1 with int8/fp8

[ashen spindle]

the microsoft azure instance are avaialable now for people so I assume the chips&cheese people to make test runs in coming time

yeah I meant idk if it hs explicit int/fp4

[astral haven]

whats int8

[thick elk]

Not a fan of the slide, red below makes it look like a performance drop at a glance.

[astral haven]

yea so excluding amds awful software support for ai, they are in the hole about 50% vs nvidia at int8, and assumging 1:2 they are in the hole ~ 10x for int/fp4

[ashen spindle]

have it in other color then

[astral haven]

if they have no int/fp4, 20x

[thick elk]

Less terrible but still they should probably fire the guy designing these slides

[ashen spindle]

where are you getting the int8/4 numbers for nvidia from

[astral haven]

b100

[ashen spindle]

oh pft thats not out yet

if you look at blackwell that would need to be compared to mi350 at least since delivery dates for those are much closer

[astral haven]

arent you thinking of b200?

[ashen spindle]

no?

h200 is starting shipping this quarter or did idk

blackwell isnt out yet

[astral haven]

blackwell is running privately outside of nvidia now...

pretty sure openai is running on them now

[ashen spindle]

where

I know they will get one of the first dgx pods but last I checked they didnt have anything yet either

are you mistaken it with this

thats from exactly 1 month ago

so h200 literally just started being shipped

[astral haven]

🤷 thats still not pretty for amd with h200 being 1.5x the perf of h100 for openai

but im pretty sure that the whispers were about b100

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQgTzlsEL_I

[ashen spindle]

ok but it doesnt change in8/fp8 compared to h100 so the comparison is still not vs b100/200 xD

[astral haven]

thats fair, if nvidia actually isnt delivering b100 like they said and amd is delivering mi300 then sure its vs h200

but im pretty sure its a standard nvidia dealio of you can get a few current gen chips if you sign an nda rather than the open market stuff

[ashen spindle]

yeah but then we can compare the first mi300 that el capitain got as well and then timelines shift for both sides

[astral haven]

yea tru

wtf did nvidia release in 2020???

was it just v100 but double memory???

[ashen spindle]

a100

[astral haven]

how tf did i forget that lmao

so 1.2 pflops to 20 pflops in 5 years

oop thats with double the power

so 2.4 to 20 in 5 years

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah power is going up nexr gens too quite a lot

[astral haven]

1.5x perf per year for nvidia from 20-27 making for a total of around 20x
what did amd have at that time?

mi100 out yet?

[ashen spindle]

ooof I dont remember timelines for the older instinct cards

[astral haven]

barely according to amd

lets give amd 3 of these

at .009 pflops a pop

[ashen spindle]

mi50/80/100 was also very much custom done for super computers and rest just had the option for scraps if they wanted so the comparison is a bit skewed

but thats how you can claim massive improvements till 27 then

[astral haven]

exactly my point

if nvidia hit 27p fp4 they would have only done 11x, where amd would be at 100x from that exact same performance figure

nvidia has no shot at getting "most improved" awards lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah but if mi400/500 can do the same mi300 did and outperform the giant company with such a track record that is a deserved most improved award xD

[astral haven]

oh wait lemme revise, mi100 could do faster fp16 than int4 🤣

[astral haven]

sure
but we have yet to see mi300 outperform

remember vega on paper outperforms 1080ti lol

[ashen spindle]

I mean I guess but I dont think if microsoft says its the best price/perforamce for gpu training its only doing that because they are selling them at a loss xD

[astral haven]

who at microsoft tho

[ashen spindle]

think it was satya who held the talk? idk the build keynote wasnt streamed after all

[astral haven]

yea but who sourced the info

if it was someone at azure 🧂

if it was someone at openai? maybe less doubt

[ashen spindle]

well yeah I'm not saying its a open specsheet but it's less than just a vega on paper

[astral haven]

if it turns out to be a vega vs 1080ti situation i think thats a very good outcome for amd

i suspect however that tensorflows insane nvidia performance isnt just currently stronk gpus...

i cant find any instinct numbers at all, but the 7900xtx gets wrecked by a v100

and the v100 gets wrecked by the 3090

[ashen spindle]

doesnt say anything, remember they split off and basically continued gcn on instinct side

[astral haven]

yea but rocm is rocm in theory

[ashen spindle]

sure and I imagine amd are really hoping Triton takes off and that fixes that

[astral haven]

and the 7900xtx should be faster than the 3090 in theory (fp16)

Im seeing 100 t/s on the 3090 in llama7b and as much as 25 on the xtx

And even considering the perf should be bandwidth bound, they should be about even

Not 1/4 the speed

[astral haven]

i just had a great idea
how about quantum dot retroflective displays

use b/w lcd with a quantum dot layer behind them that converts everything to color

[steep creek]

sorta like how eink kaleido works with the color layer afaik

[astral haven]

negatory

kaleido is just standard ink, not converting any light

[steep creek]

yea just on an extremely high level to visualize it

[astral haven]

yea thats what rlcds already use

[steep creek]

aha

[astral haven]

kaleido

swap eink panel for an lcd and a mirror and you have rlcd

[steep creek]

i see, that filter tbh while nice it gives color makes the screen dimmer than a bw panel in sunlight

[astral haven]

yep, swap them for quantum dots and in theory you can get brightness back?

but the quantum dots cant be in front otherwise it would just always glow lol

[steep creek]

hah

tho if quantum dots solves this issue it would be quite nice

wonder if it is feasible to produce at scale though

[astral haven]

it probably solves the issue, just can it be mass produced without cadmium, mercury, or lead

[steep creek]

i see hmm

well i guess i’ll just keep waiting for whenever qdel comes out, for now that seems the most promising

[astral haven]

sure, but qdel isnt gonna get us 20k nit displays, where rlcd already can

as can eink

[steep creek]

yeah true but i generally don’t need those except when outside in direct sunlight, or when it’s exceptionally bright

in light controlled areas inside should be fine without

[astral haven]

but ma power consumption

[steep creek]

drawback of eink is it’s so sluggish for scrolling or anything high movement for now

[astral haven]

rlcd for the win

[steep creek]

is rlcd better?

[astral haven]

standard 60hz with not top tier but ok for normal lcd response time

https://youtu.be/AXHzY1IgJWw?t=756

[steep creek]

well that beats eink by a long shot

[astral haven]

yep, but the brightness loss from lcd is more than you lose with eink

tho color vs bw lcd doesnt change much it seems

[steep creek]

yea it seems fine all tho i wouldn’t fully know without trying in person. kaleido was a let down when i tried it

[astral haven]

basically think the tech that fancy long battery life watches are

[steep creek]

i have a slight hunch that my casio calculator uses rlcd but i can’t find anything online about it

[astral haven]

anything that you can see without a backlight is rlcd

[steep creek]

it’s readable no matter how bright it is and it updates quicker than my eink

yea then it’s probably rcld

except when it’s dark then i need the backlight

[astral haven]

greyish silver rather than white background?

sometimes a green tinge

[steep creek]

it has that green tinge

[astral haven]

yep, extremely standard rlcd

tho the smaller the pixels the worse contrast you get, so that has more contrast than a tablet will

and color drops contrast even further

[steep creek]

hm so it seems rlcd would be nice on monitors as well reading wise

[astral haven]

or it would be if people charged a reasonable amount for them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0TcGjzKbag

this one has no backlight and its already priced the way it is

[steep creek]

lol the savings tho, that is neat

yea i guess for now price doesn’t make sense but maybe it will become affordable

[astral haven]

the ~$450 tablet tho makes some sense

[steep creek]

it does, that’s an okay price, eink tablets running android can cost more than this (onyx)

[smoky frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONxtLqGG32Q

since the Spotify Car Thing will now be a dirt cheap brick, I should get one in case it gets jailbroken

[smoky frigate]

also: this is what you get when you play by corporate rules, pirates can't stop winning

[pale sigil]

What's a good TeamViewer alternative other than anydesk?

Nothing does a good job at allowing me to properly scale for my devices etc

[steep creek]

dont see how carthings stands a chance against carplay and android auto

[halcyon moss]

My car doesn't have car play or android auto

[smoky frigate]

neither does mine

[steep creek]

that’s fair but i’m just comparing it to those two

[thick elk]

Average car is something like 12 years so there is that.
I get that you stop support at some point but bricking a device 2 and a half years after selling it goes really far.
Especially for an otherwise healthy company.

[sweet cairn]

my death adder might be dying, randomly doesn't register clicks.

i love the shape but i wanna avoid razer, what do yall recommend? the pwnage mouse and pulsar xelite are my options atm.

[lyric hatch]

not really any shapes similar to the older deathadder shape

[sweet cairn]

its a v2 iirc

but yeah its hard to mouse shop

[lyric hatch]

Xlite v3, EC1-cw, Vaxee Outset AX probably your most similar options

[sweet cairn]

small town life so not a lot of options to try in person

any major differences between them to help pick?

I know nothing about mice

[thick elk]

If you know how to solder or want to try, you could look into replacing the switches.

[sweet cairn]

I dont have the time. Gonna be doing a Day 1 raid in Destiny and need a mouse before then so am scrambling atm for a replacement. Safe bet is just going to best buy and buying a death adder again and thats my back up plan on the day off.

[smoky frigate]

https://www.maxgaming.com/en/wireless-mouses/ogm-pro-wireless-gaming-mouse-white I was recommended this once, and if I didn't have a dav3 I probably would have gotten it

[thick elk]

Fair, or try something else, (don't personally have recommendations). and fix it some other time.

Safest repairs are ones you know you have nothing to lose.

[lyric hatch]

shapes gonna be the main difference they're all solid mice, zowie is the most expensive

[umbral heron]

Unless you scrape off solder pads there's not much you can f up while replacing switches

[thick elk]

You can knock off other components melt things, break plastic strip screws, don't underestimate what people can mess up, but yea it's not hard.

Still if you need something soon it may not be the best route.

Personally I would try a fairly different mouse and repair the old one on the side, broadens experience while being able to go back.

[sweet cairn]

yeah thats smart

[umbral heron]

If you need something soon then you'll have more motivation to learn how to repair it

[sweet cairn]

one big thing i love about the v2 DA is the two buttons on the top, i like to use them for hot swapping inventory, sad no other mouse does that

[umbral heron]

Huh, kinda weird they got rid of it in v3

[sweet cairn]

yeah i really dont get why they did it lol

it was the perfect amount of buttons and a good shape

its like either 2 side buttons now or full on mmo brick

[umbral heron]

tbf it wouldn't be hard to make light mmo mouse, it's just a PCB and a bit of plastic for support

[smoky frigate]

economies of bullshit, means you can sell the next mouse with the buttons on it again

[lyric hatch]

they changed a lot more then just the buttons with the v3

https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/razer-deathadder-v2-vs.-razer-deathadder-v3-pro

[sweet cairn]

yeah its a different mouse

[smoky frigate]

3 comes with more factory-default dust

[thick elk]

Kind of wish more mice had a button next to lmb like this one: https://c1.neweggimages.com/productimage/nb640/26-794-006-03.jpg
Old mouse but that placement is super useful.

[umbral heron]

G502's G7 and G8 button on the left

[steep creek]

g502 great mouse

[thick elk]

Trusty old sharkoon fireglider, actually replaced that switch on mine, started having issues after a long time.
It being an old mice means the switches actually are used in a matter when they last their click lifetime.
Also replaced the main switches. Left mouse button actually got to the point where it was physically degraded, but still worked fine.

As for the g502, borrowed one from my brother a bit shape absolutely not for me.

[pale sigil]

Encryption on HDDs is such a double edge sword.

I'm transferring 100gb to my Nas and it's so much slower 💀

[thick elk]

Encryption should not be that bad, at least I max out gbit on a 6tb btrfs raid1

[pale sigil]

6 year old drives tbh and not in raid.

30mb/s

Whereas none encrypted I max gigabit

[lyric hatch]

just need more hotswap mice

[umbral heron]

I gave my G502 USB-C for that detachable cable

[pale sigil]

Usually when I do large transfers I transfer to an unencrypted drive and remote into the Nas and transfer over hardware so I can leave unattended.

[thick elk]

ah yes, did that to my trustmaster t16000m and my third party taiko controller

[pale sigil]

I see you upgraded your stamp

[umbral heron]

I'm thinking I should do the same for my Steam controller soon too

[sweet cairn]

I might just pull the trigger on the Pulsar, only one that will get here in time.

unless i just get another razer but fuck that lol

[pale sigil]

Modded the mouse?

[lyric hatch]

they have two versions of the xlite v3 the regular and the ES

which one you gettin

[sweet cairn]

i want the ES but the scroll wheel is turning me off

so probably regular

[umbral heron]

Yup, I guess you can tell by the blob of hot glue

[pale sigil]

Thankfully Logitech use usb c now

[thick elk]

Wouldn't replace micro-usb for usb-c honestly, it's not to bad if you have one or a few cables available.

[lyric hatch]

yeah I haven't tried the metal scroll wheel they added to the ES mice but the one they have on the new regular mice are real nice

[sweet cairn]

i just worry it would be heavy/clunky

the scroll wheel is a pain point of mine on the death adder

i want a smooth light wheel

sometimes it feels like it needs extra force to scroll so its not consistent

[pale sigil]

Funnily enough I had to buy some as they are none existent in my house these days.

[thick elk]

My cable hoard still has them.

[umbral heron]

I think I have only one from my ol wacom tablet
Rest of them died due to natural causes

[thick elk]

I did throw away most scart cables a few years ago.

[umbral heron]

I still have that CVBS to scart adapter for PS2

[lyric hatch]

I wanna get the upcoming bundle with the x2v2 just so I can have the cool dongle 👀

[smoky frigate]

the sheer amount of PS2 shit I have

[robust osprey]

Yo I have a question whether the keycaps are compatible with wooting?

[lyric hatch]

probably, as long as they are cherry stem

[robust osprey]

okay i want to buy MOLGRIA Ink Lotus that work with 80he and 65he ? (https://www.amazon.fr/MOLGRIA-personnalisées-Sublimation-Disposition-japonaise/dp/B0B48879C9/ref=sr_1_5?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YZpDFXa3hkrhqd-s75AQ3H-BdW3P9_2_uyGMMVRU2M98zKarg5nt3Y59dpzrDEB6A0gz80G_sA9RkZsay-azyIjx2yvFxN5t-rb2Tho9B2kCQNDwvQTBsSsGBl3O979LZVqFlDXyMMePgtK3e799vkG-1_w6Qs36PMV2-vWkArTCvPkqf5PVjXTqJV_IOvMnCeYFf6N2ft0Yw3XeHKND_z3lC3zNhofl-fTe6L-_gQM.BG3TxRzc6b110VqiS-awWx7sQZhWGkd1QZJo2hWkhmk&dib_tag=se&keywords=pbt%2Bkeycaps%2Biso%2Bfr&qid=1716632643&sr=8-5&th=1)

[umbral heron]

Yup, they'll fit just fine

[lyric hatch]

65he

[umbral heron]

But those are QWERTY, not AZERTY

[robust osprey]

Yes I didn't pay attention to that. Did u have some keycaps to advise me. I want PBT and I like simple things

[umbral heron]

Not really, you can either look for AZERTY keycaps in one of the EU/Canadian shops https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list/
Or look for keycaps with XDA or DSA profile, all keycaps are the same height there, regardless of row, so you can put them in AZERTY layout too

[balmy vector]

Penwing escaping

[thick elk]

At least the font looks pretty terrible so nothing of value lost

There are still a number of sets that have proper super or meta keycaps.

[ocean forum]

Can I get some help ? I just got my wooting 60HE+ today and when I opened wootility, it says that I have to update and when I updated it, it says update failed and then the rgb turned off and It says it can't detect my wooting keyboard now

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[pale sigil]

Are you using your own cable? Usb dock/hub? Have Ryzen?

[ocean forum]

I'm using the stock cable

it was working fine until i tried updateing and it fails

[ocean forum]

Really confusing

[ashen spindle]

check in #1019755933959733258 and if you cant find a fix make a post there please

[ocean forum]

There's an exact post in #1019755933959733258 https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1241360731505557574

There's no solution yet though

[ashen spindle]

yes and that channel is for support so people will check there more and not other channels for fixes

[ocean forum]

is there any way to reset the keyboard without using the wootility app ?

[digital cliff]

not really no

[ocean forum]

How do you reset your keyboard when Wootility doesn't detect your keyboard then :/

[digital cliff]

iunno

[smoky fractal]

did someone answer you?

[ocean forum]

Yup yup I got my issue fixed but I still don't know the answer to my question

[smoky fractal]

ok cool as long as the issue is fixed I knew how to help with that had tghe same thing happen to me awhiel back

the other answer not sure

[reef patrol]

[sudden imp]

THIS FEELS WORSE THAN GOOGLE PROVIDING BASICALLY ALL SPONSERED CONTENT FOR SEARCHES??!??!?!

[analog sinew]

almost as if this "ai" isnt ready to be unleashed on the world

wild, how AI went from impressive image generation to useless meme fodder

[sudden imp]

Google could use some serious reform ngl

[smoky frigate]

firing the assholes that made it into a joke would be a start

first they intentionally shit up their search engine, now this dogbollocks

[umbral heron]

Seems to work

[smoky frigate]

WE CAST THE QUALITY INTO THE FIRE
THE LINE IS PLEASED

WE SHIT UPON THE WORLD A MOCKERY OF AN AI
THE LINE PROMISES GROWTH IN PERPETUITY

howling gets more intense, as they prepare the next sacrifice

[sudden imp]

Where can I find a list of the PC vendors at computex this year?

[novel cliff]

Hey, I have a question. Somehow recently the profile that I save on the keyboard is no longer saved correctly. Whenever I turn on the PC, the standard profile is loaded. Does anyone have similar experience or maybe even a solution? Thanks in advance to everyone 🙂

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

and computex you can find keynote on the computex website as well as floorplan for the booths

[sudden imp]

Where can I find the floor plan?

Wait found it

Nope can’t see it

[marsh pewter]

the first profile (the digital one) is always loaded when the keyboard boots up

[ashen spindle]

https://show.computex.biz/FloorMap.aspx

pdfs for the floors when you click on them

https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/24/24164454/epic-google-catalog-access-library-porting

[odd knot]

Anyone play fort have issues with frame drops and building after this last patch using double movement?

[lyric hatch]

#🎮│game message

[sweet cairn]

I've been getting hella micro stuttering lately, how should I go about figuring out why?

[smoky frigate]

updated drivers recently?

[sweet cairn]

My temps are still cool so it's not throttling and it only seems to happen while gaming.

Nope

[lime agate]

Maybe updating bios or intel drivers

[steep creek]

https://vxtwitter.com/thebookisclosed/status/1794507110119559491

[analog sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/no-confused-why-stupid-penguin-gif-696523179464321415

[balmy vector]

💸

[lofty pivot]

Do you have valorant or league of legends installed

There was a recent league anti cheat update a bit ago that has been causing massive issues for some folks

[sudden imp]

I have val installed it shouldn’t cause any issues right?

[digital cliff]

do you have valorant installed, it's causing issues

<I have valorant installed, I'm good right?

🤔

[balmy vector]

Vanguard moment

[lofty pivot]

depends on your system and what you have installed. The recent updates to try get vanguard working with league of legends as well have been causing tons of issues for people

like you can't even have fan/gpu temp monitors installed because it causes clashing and stutters

[crimson wigeon]

I love malware-like anticheats!

[marsh pewter]

just use linux and dual boot windows for invasive anti cheats. boom problem solved.

I use linux btw

[frozen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/kaka-gif-8474910153009606870

[marsh pewter]

it’s easy tbh

and doesn’t take super long

[shell ether]

is zenaim going to release a us model and if so when?

[ashen spindle]

might be a question that they can answer instead of wooting?

[mellow ice]

Hello, I would like to buy a used wooting 2 HE, it was bought last year in March, how can I see if it already has the new ARM chip?

[ashen spindle]

it has it

avr is long over

oh nvm didnt read the used part

[reef patrol]

It says arm on the underside if it is, as well as in Wootility

[ashen spindle]

but if it was march last year from wooting avr also wasnt sold anymore right?

[reef patrol]

Sure. But photos confirm they're telling the truth.

[rough osprey]

https://x.com/engineers_feed/status/1794360045301543011?s=46 🤔

World of Engineering (@engineers_feed) on X

The US government’s AI Safety and Security board.

Twitter · May 25, 2024, 1:29 PM

[odd knot]

it wasn't game specific related, which is why I posted it in tech. Program in general is causing massive frame drops.

[odd knot]

wooting and keys2x was causing me to have massive frame drops, dunno if that might be your issue if you're using it? Making games almost unplayable.

[ashen spindle]

The Double Movement software has been out of development for two years, and we have no plans to try and re-implement it.

[night furnace]

can someone please tell me why the same keys consistently dont work on the 60he until i unplug and replug???

[ashen spindle]

dont press them when starting pc it recalibrates keys on bootup

[night furnace]

no theyll work then stop working

and i dont press keys on start up

till the lights come on

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258 then

[trim crane]

what arm mcus do the wooting 60HE+, UwU, and 80HE use?

[sudden imp]

Saw this on r/mousereview

they all look so good

[ashen spindle]

GD32F303/GD32F425

[trim crane]

GigaDevice oh ok

i dont actually know but thanks! very cool

[ashen spindle]

its just bog standard arm cortexm4 cores

[old marlin]

Man's got the ai generated mousepad

[unkempt lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vISPFoluJdw

[raw zephyr]

those with a steam deck, whats the best software i should be aware of besides emudeck

[umbral heron]

Decky Loader Amazing piece of junk to customize your Steam client

[raw zephyr]

dont really care about customization 😅

[umbral heron]

I also use CryoUtilities, small and nice optimizer
Other than that I have set VRAM/UMA buffer to 4GB, and I think that's it

[analog sinew]

yea

[fierce terrace]

Remember guys, never Trust a chinesee company

Pre-ordered ATK X1 Mouse and after a month there is no estimated ship time

Meanwhile they announced new keyboard and a collab with leviatan team

[old marlin]

something about sussy chinese mouse companies

[fierce terrace]

I guess such team like leviatan wouldnt do collab of they are scammy but Its weird to completely ignore questions about ship time or even release date

[ashen spindle]

which team

[fierce terrace]

Leviatan

[ashen spindle]

some random esports team that isnt a big name? they have no morals and/or knowledge so that means nothing

[fierce terrace]

Not quiet random

They have aspas on board

[ashen spindle]

what players they have doesnt mean anything about what the org has/does

from theiy twitter page you can see they are the generic esports brand with a store for jerseys and some images yet links on the site dont work, the usual 5 sponsors on a twitter banner and just the default social media

I can guarantee you them partnering with anyone has no sort of trust behind it

[fierce terrace]

Well let’s hope they will release those mices at least in upcoming month

[languid leaf]

is there a difference between wooting 60he and wooting two he ?

[balmy vector]

Other than size? Practically nothing

[languid leaf]

okay... maybe i have wrong settings

it feels not so fast

[cloud wyvern]

i need help please

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258 or #1019723042244534282

[random galleon]

Is the wrist rest worth it?

[reef patrol]

I would certainly say so.

Every time I clean my keyboard and don't put the wristrest back, it feels weird now.

[analog sinew]

It's optional as the wooting is relatively flat, but if you want one, it's good and it's a nice addition for sure.

not mandatory though.

[random galleon]

I’m a big osu mania player, do you think it’ll help? Usually when I’m not warmed up my wrists start hurting when playing songs sometimes, that might be because the way I’m set up, my wrists usually are off the edge/right on it so my arms are at an angle, when I use it will it help with the padding from it and such?

(It gets super duper annoying so I think the padding from it will help, even when I’ve adjusted to try and fix the wrist issue my mouse pad aint do nothin, idk why I expected it to)

[rough patrol]

idk how your setup is, but try to keep your hand aligned with your arm, also you should not angle your hand up like you're doing

[languid leaf]

What is double movement?

[random galleon]

Oh, really? I never knew that, yeah they're usually bent up at an angle for my fingers to reach, should I have my palms and such in the air?

[analog sinew]

well, thats what the wrist rest is for

unless your keyboard is very flat

[random galleon]

I have the Epomaker sk61

[digital cliff]

well you could just put a book or something there for the time being and see for yourself

[random galleon]

Ah yeah, I never thought of that, I’ll use a book for now, thank you!

[gusty kiln]

https://staxaudio.com/earspeaker/srs-x1
https://staxaudio.com/driver/stax-srm-270

Stax Combo under 1000

[distant tapir]

Very interesting.

[smoky frigate]

this is the dumbest fucking shit

just casually asking for someone to invent a magic 200:1 lossless compression algo, NOT TOO SLOW PLEASE

I am laughing pretty hard

[ashen spindle]

is that true?

because that isnt even spellinc electrode correctly in the first part

guess that would be one way, just compress it by randomly guessing shit for 80%

[thick elk]

That doesn't sound like the type of data that would compress well at all.
General rule of thumb, the more random the data, the harder it is to compress.
Especially if no lossy format is acceptable.

[analog sinew]

just use AI broo trust me it works bro

[thick elk]

AI could very well be a useful tool here, possibly to find patterns to help create an algorithm.

[umbral heron]

pick 200 random files
pick one random file from the set
delete remaining 199 files
repeat until desired size is achieved

Losslessly compresses files... at least those that are left

[thick elk]

That being said there could be non-obvious patterns in the data that could be discovered for much larger compressibility.

[smoky frigate]

they should look more toward the idea of filtering, rather than compressing everything if they need that kind of efficiency

[analog sinew]

no you should make it for them

[smoky frigate]

oh cool algorithm bro

I'll now casually turn my 12gb blu ray rips into 60mb files, and put 12 of them onto a CD

oh cool it also runs fast on a raspberry pi

????????

what the FUCK

[analog sinew]

oh and it uses only 10 mW

[fair gull]

i dont think human brain activity follows any pattern

[ashen spindle]

I mean there will be a lot of noise but they clearly said a lossless compression not a "retains all relevant information lossless" compression

[thick elk]

But yea goals are a bit unrealistic either way.

[fair gull]

is it noise though or relevant data

i dont think we understand human brain activity well enough to just losslessly compress it

at least at any ratio theyd want

[ashen spindle]

depends what you use it for

[fair gull]

as far as i understand it the use case of neuralink is anything

[ashen spindle]

like if its to control a mouse movement on a pc it doesnt matter if you sometimes cut out parts for higher accuracy on average

since this is just a supposed test for getting a job

doesnt mean they dont already have some things to lower the data they actually need

[thick elk]

It is still data of multiple probes and there could very well be compressable patterns in there, it's not pure random.
I do wonder why their baseline is zip.

[fair gull]

prob cause they use windows and its the default compression

im glad its not winrar

[thick elk]

It's also probably just a light, neutral well known baseline, not even meant to be the best, just an example. Still if you achieve 2.2x compression. with zip data must at least be somewhat compressable.

[fair gull]

also how can the 5 second clips be 193kb and they cant just send 1 second clips via the 1mbps stream

im so confused if the test data is real approximations or just literally any data

[ashen spindle]

I would assume its zip so everyone can download it and work with it without needing to upload it uncompressed or have people use esoteic tools for decompression

and then they just took that as the first entry

[fair gull]

like the screenshot says the neuralink does 200mbps but... that would mean 5 seconds should be multiple megabytes

and an hour of wav would be gigabytes if not more

or is it recordings of a singular electrode

[strange bough]

I'm sorry to disturb you in your discussion but I see that you are an employee of wooting, it was to know if the marked time slot would be respected or not?

@fair gull

[fair gull]

its an estimate

not a guarantee

[strange bough]

But why do other people have this estimate in July? Is it in relation to their location? And if it's an estimate that means it could be a little later but how long ?

[fair gull]

idk what keyboard you are looking at

it depends on the product you buy, where you live and what shipping company will deliver

[ashen spindle]

its an estimate based on location, product, shipping option etc. so its different for different people

[strange bough]

60he+ France , DPD

[fair gull]

so you got your answer why its in june

[strange bough]

Luckily I live in France so haha

[dense dagger]

I have a question
Is it okay to use the Wooting Keyboard USB 3.0 port extension cable?
Will it interfere with the game?

[halcyon moss]

Try it.

[fair gull]

worst case the keyboard wont get enough power and wont run

[reef patrol]

The what now?

[fair gull]

they just wanna ask if they can use a usb3 extension

[dense dagger]

If I use an extension cable, will my keyboard lose functionality? ex) rapid trigger. I think the length of the extension cable will be short.

[fair gull]

depends on the length

we usually recommend no longer than 2m total cable length

if you need more youll need to have some sort of active power injection at the end the wooting plugs into

[dense dagger]

The extension cable I need to use should be sufficient at 1 meter. Will there be any issues with the rapid trigger function? Thank you.

[fair gull]

well you still need to attach your wooting to the extension cable

so its 1m + however long your usb cable is for the wooting

[dense dagger]

oh I got that. Really thank you

[reef patrol]

"Extension" cables are notorious for being really poorly made and not capable of driving high powered devices like a keyboard.

I would personally recommend getting a good, powered USB hub instead. That lets you use the full length of the Wooting cable, and gets the signal refreshed halfway.

[fair gull]

https://www.grc.com/miscfiles/pin.png

very interesting data analysis

idk why it didnt embed

effectively knowing someones DOB you can probably guess their card pin with a high chance

[reef patrol]

Thankfully? you don't get to pick a card pin here, unless you pay extra as a service. So you just get a four pin code randomly generated via mail and a weird coloured bingo card to fill out, so you can remember it.

[fair gull]

same here but you can freely change it at any ATM

[umbral heron]

You can freely change it here in the mobile app at any time

[reef patrol]

I've had to store my previous one on my phone garbled around - because I never use the pin.

Online you use the three digit code on the card, and in stores it only asks me once a year or so, because my purchases are so consistent (and rare, because we have a card we use for groceries and such)

[old marlin]

interesting that the higher up ones are so rare in comparison

[umbral heron]

8398

[analog sinew]

[fair gull]

i accidentally removed my cvv from my credit card lol

completely useless to anyone stealing it

[reef patrol]

I can't wait for my bank to finally adopt Android pay. Hasn't been available so far, only Apple Pay.

[fair gull]

glad my bank allows me to use its virtual card app with android pay

or have it take over and completely replace android pay

[umbral heron]

We can pay with Google Pay and Blik whenever we can pay with card

Weird how 9596 is not so common

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5IySpAkThg

👀

[old marlin]

it's funny that the first shot starts with a DB clock

which in itself is a hack

since they don't do regular 60 second cycles

[steep creek]

my one bank has everything but apple pay they just refuse. i couldn’t bother to wait any longer so just opened a second account in another bank lol

[umbral light]

yo! question

I have a coiled cable for my wooting but is giving those issues were keys are pressed randombly so I wanted to ask if I get the coiled cable from wooting store will that fix the issue

bc I know this happens when you have a 3rd party cable and the tachyon mode on which requires a stable current to fuction correctly expecially if you have rgb on ( I dont )

[reef patrol]

It should, provided you're plugged directly into the PC.

[umbral light]

yeah yesterday I plugged it in directly to my pc bc I had it on a adapter

I forgot about that lol

i guess I could check if that solves it if not I will get the one from wooting

im also planning to get the wrist rest so thats why I wanted to get everything together so It can be shipped together

[fair gull]

wut

[old marlin]

they run on 58.5 second cycles

and then restart that cycle with a pulse that comes every 60 seconds

[reef patrol]

but why

[old marlin]

to make sure they at least stay roughly accurate

[reef patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-bridges-what-the-big-lebowski-wat-wut-gif-11758307

[old marlin]

and the design is so old that second pulses were not viabe yet

[fair gull]

so

they have an accurate 58.5second cycle

but cant do 60

what

[old marlin]

it's not super accurate

they needed a design to make a TON of clocks for extremely cheap

that don't loose track of time entirely

[gusty kiln]

@ashen spindle I am now playing both sides, got me some nvidia stock. Waiting for the stock split

[ashen spindle]

before the earning? xD

[gusty kiln]

Stock split on June 7th

[ashen spindle]

no I mean did you get in before the last earning haha

[gusty kiln]

Lol no

Just now

[ashen spindle]

ah well, probably still a worthwhile option

[gusty kiln]

I feel it'll get a decent boost on split day

I got in at 1102

Already 1111

[ashen spindle]

man biggest regret for me is still not going in when I originally planed to, that was just before the earning in march or so last year when it first spiked xD

after that I thought its safer to wait but shouldve just went in right then I guess

but those thoughts are always the worst because hindsight

[gusty kiln]

Yeah, gotta just take the plunge sometime

[ashen spindle]

yeah or you miss the entry, wait a bit, think ok its not going back down but thats just before the bubble bursts and you get fucked even harder

[gusty kiln]

Well as long as you have disposable income

[gusty kiln]

Kek

[ashen spindle]

yeah just dont do like 80% of your entire money into one stock

unless you just want to gamble I guess

[gusty kiln]

I wished I invested in Costco before covid

Thats because guaranteed money

[fickle ore]

😮

[fickle ore]

lol I sold my couple stocks in NV when it was 300 a pop

1100 is fairly high tho haha

[gusty kiln]

I'm banking on the stock split for some nice action

[fickle ore]

At near 3T it can't be that much 😄

[gusty kiln]

There's going to be an influx of people who are willing to buy nvidia at 200-300 a share again

[fickle ore]

Im not sure I agree

but my track record with nvidia isnt good

[gusty kiln]

Kek is just a gut feeling no Stats to back it up

[fickle ore]

with 5x increased share count its much slower to move big %

It'll become boring 😄

wth happened to CELH tho

[fair gull]

weekend and yesterday all fine... today screen hangs no bsod as far as i can tell....

i dont wanna replace my gpu man

[misty matrix]

[fickle ore]

Just in time for battlemage

[gusty kiln]

Think tony said he's eyeing rdna4

Since Blackwell is still far away

[fair gull]

im eyeing whatever computex shows

[gusty kiln]

I'm fine with that tbh, throw in some dividends while you're at it

[fickle ore]

yeah I lucked out with META regarding that

[gusty kiln]

Zen 5 and rdna4

Hope amd shows off everything

[fickle ore]

tbh I'm excited to check out Lunar Lake

[gusty kiln]

I'm tempted to buy some arm stock

[fickle ore]

Why not buy Softbank then?

[ashen spindle]

disgusting, laptop peasant smh

[gusty kiln]

Cuz softbank could sell arm anytime

I only care about the arm part

[ashen spindle]

idk if arm would do any better than just qualcomm directly

[gusty kiln]

Idk seems like everybody and their mom wants to make their own arm soc nowadays

[fickle ore]

Arrow Lake with Backside Powerdelivery should also be interesting in Q4

[gusty kiln]

I only care about lunar lake if they shove them in a NAS or mini server

Intel c-states are still king

[fickle ore]

Hehe well yeah I'm not interested in it for using just seeing how it performs

But Arrow lake might be awesome

[gusty kiln]

Probably decent

[ashen spindle]

gpus for the most part do the same under any OS

but you are still more likely to find esoteric issues with arc on linux

[gusty kiln]

Lots of people use intel quicksync on their Linux media server

[ashen spindle]

I assumed for gaming not for media engine usage

[gusty kiln]

Amd probably still king until something major happens

[ashen spindle]

the recent nvidia driver update added fixes to linux that addressed many concerns around explicit sync and similar

[fickle ore]

Wait for battlemage review I guess. Intel has the benefit of not having historic overhead in the driver software from ages ago 😛

[ashen spindle]

yeah they have the benefit of games not working so they literalyl just added overhead because they dont have the older DX hardware

[gusty kiln]

Can't wait for steamOS to become mainstream

[fickle ore]

On the other hand when these shitty games move off dx9 etc not having those will be more efficient

[ashen spindle]

not really

[fickle ore]

Well really

Or why do you think NV driver has so much overhead ?

I doubt that issue has been fixed

[ashen spindle]

its making poorly threaded titles run better and nvidia does that in software, if you run a vulkan/dx12 game the driver isnt doing any of that work so no additional overhead

and extra hardware blocks would only increase die size but doesnt matter if they arent used

[fickle ore]

If it were so, but afaik you can't just switch it on/off depending on dx mode. It's built with multithreading from the get go so its got more cpu overhead than AMD's even.

Idk if they can make it better

yeah for poor threaded games it alleviates the drawcall bottleneck but still has a bit more overhead than it would without. My info could be outdated tho

[ashen spindle]

either way its not going to make much of a difference

[fickle ore]

yeah agree

[astral haven]

remember despite the "driver overhead" nvidia still ends up performing better despite having less compute

[ashen spindle]

we need to see pretty big die shrinks from intel first to have any hope they stay relevant before thinking about drivers

if they cant make the hardware price competetive they wont keep going

[fickle ore]

I cant even find out whether arrow lake is made on tsmc 3nb or 20A

[ashen spindle]

because its both

depending on sku

[fickle ore]

bc tsm wont have backside powerdelivery until 2025 so that would make the release boring for me

8% is a pretty big drop

lol wtf https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/tsmcs-euv-machines-are-equipped-with-a-remote-self-destruct-in-case-of-an-invasion

[astral haven]

meh, canon survived without bsi until 2021 despite sony having it 10 years earlier

[ashen spindle]

we dont even know if bspd will make any changes for arl or if its limited by fabric or anything so meh

new tech is cool but if its doesnt do anything who cares as consumer

[reef patrol]

Makes sense. Sends a very strong signal to China that invading and taking over the chip market isn't just a case of boots on ground.

https://tenor.com/view/try-me-bitch-mad-triggered-gif-13712757

[fickle ore]

Yeah sure makes a lot of sense, just sick because thats where their most advanced nodes are

investing in more and more advanced nodes in Taiwan has been a risky bet

I know they'll have made risk assessments but I'd pay to have heard those

[reef patrol]

It's a modern version of zero sum. China wants Taiwan. Taiwan doesn't want that.

China depends on Taiwanese production, so it's a strong deterrent for now. It forces China to adapt.

[woven laurel]

mansen did u see my gif in secret. its funny as heck

[ashen spindle]

sure but legit skill issue because outside of tsmc in taiwan advanced lithography isnt working as well

and intel in isreal isn't the safest place either

[reef patrol]

Mhmm. I guess this also pushes the US, and* other Asian countries to back Taiwan.

No one can cope easily with the consequences

[fickle ore]

and new intel/tsm plants in frikkin Arizona

Why do they keep building them in bad places and with low water levels

[gusty kiln]

Man all the tech stocks are flying high today

[gusty kiln]

Cheap and low tax

[ashen spindle]

workers are in the area from other fabs, harder to find people that work what you need than it is to find water

[gusty kiln]

Profit > long term, the American way

[fickle ore]

Yeah, but Xi has said they will attempt at 2027 at the latest. I hope its not true

[gusty kiln]

Xi also says he doesn't have pancreatic cancer

So who knows

[fickle ore]

Mexico city is running out of water they may need to relocate 20 million ppl soon. I'd say local water is essential, people are easier to move.

[reef patrol]

It would put me out of a job. So yeah me neither

[ashen spindle]

not if you need specific people that dont want to move, you cant just find semi engineers like a random mcdonalds worker

[fickle ore]

why do fab experts like to live in AZ O.o

Phoenix is getting unlivable

[ashen spindle]

because they have fabs already, the intel and arizone ones arent the first

[fair gull]

time to see if loading 3dmark can replicate the bsod more consistently

[astral haven]

to be fair tho, they are the only country that has demonstrated the ability to shoot down hostile irbms and icbms (perhaps because they are the only country to provoke hostilities to that extent but shh) also ofc its not 100% confirmed that it was israeli systems, but that seems to be the case...

[ashen spindle]

sure but if I was forced to pick out of the israel and ireland fab, which one is in more danger I'd say thats an easy pick lol

[distant tapir]

Intel Aviv

[smoky frigate]

I'm using the new nvidia driver with VRR, works perfect
I heard that HDR is still arse piss and knowing wayland, it'll take a long time to get out of its "held together by paper clips and duct tape" phase

[fickle ore]

Honestly I wouldnt even pick ireland haha they arent even in Nato iirc

they rely on UK

But like, whats wrong with uk, northern spain, central eu etc and finland for water!

[marsh pewter]

I mean, valve somehow pulled it off

[smoky frigate]

you can get it with games using gamescope but I don't know, I don't have an HDR monitor

[marsh pewter]

same

HDR looks great with games on the steam deck tho

though I've heard HDR content is horrible on linux

[smoky frigate]

yeah, if it was "the OS for HDR" I would have gotten a monitor that was capable of it

better save myself the headache and sit there, knowing it has a feature I cannot use lel

[marsh pewter]

yea

valve is doing some amazing stuff in the linux space rn tho

[smoky frigate]

if you told me 10 years ago that within the decade you'd be able to play windows games on linux at native speed and without sacrificing goats, I would have told you to lay off the crack

valve has done a bang-up job there

[balmy vector]

Thats some good crack

[smoky frigate]

yeah but that's kinda fucked to have installed on windows too

[marsh pewter]

yeah but thats at the fault of game devs

[smoky frigate]

I would not play a game that forces me to install stuff like this anyway

Origin? is that still even around?

[raw zephyr]

they call it something else now

[balmy vector]

ea app :(

[marsh pewter]

I have games with invasive AC installed on a separate windows install that I only use specifically for those games (and anything else that may require windows)

and I just use linux the rest of the time

[balmy vector]

apparently they even added it to PvZ garden warfare 2 i heard? saw some community stuff about it

[raw zephyr]

i have more issues gaming on windows than on linux lol

[smoky frigate]

there's now a (command line only) launcher that replicates the steam runtime environment perfectly, and now I can even play all my totally legal backups

that used to be a crapshoot to do with Lutris, but now it's solved

[marsh pewter]

I wish I could share the same sentiment lol

[marsh pewter]

gotta love totally legal backups

[raw zephyr]

windows 11 is totally borked for me

[smoky frigate]

never even used a computer with it installed, and with Recall, you'll have to force me at gun point in the future

[raw zephyr]

dx9 games locked fps to refresh rate, spent hours trying to troubleshoot it

[marsh pewter]

recall isnt that bad

[raw zephyr]

it has to do something with emulated exclusive fullscreen that was brought in windows 11

[smoky frigate]

??? that can't be normal right

[raw zephyr]

anything older than 21h2

[smoky frigate]

oh LOL, somehow even GNOME does a better job with that then

[marsh pewter]

its only gonna be available on specific devices with windows 11 pro, plus its opt in

[raw zephyr]

also missing textures in quake live on win11, displays just fine under linux

but i guess it's more of my gpu issue

[marsh pewter]

win11 still isnt worth the upgrade tbh. that said- I do have it installed but thats only because I did a fresh install and didnt feel like installing win10 instead.

[smoky frigate]

I last had a windows install in 2018 iirc, then it somehow corrupted an audio setting. made me way more angry than linux ever could with its half-baked shit, so I shitcanned it in a gin-fueled rage and haven't looked back

and judging from the windows news since then, people aren't looking forward to any changes since then either

[marsh pewter]

that reminds me, I need to make my windows partition smaller and ubuntu partition bigger

[raw zephyr]

just delete it

[marsh pewter]

I cant

me and my friends play fortnite and valo

[smoky frigate]

I heard the LTSC version is due to come out later this year, that might be a reasonable thing to run. 10 LTSC was my platonic ideal of Windows

[raw zephyr]

fortnite might run under a vm

[marsh pewter]

it doesnt. well- you can get it to run under a KVM but its a huge hassle and requires passing through pretty much everything.

[smoky frigate]

yeah passthrough is not fun. if people keep bugging Epic enough, maybe they'll change their opinion eventually

[marsh pewter]

they wont

[raw zephyr]

thats not gonna happen lol

[smoky frigate]

[marsh pewter]

mr sweeney is an old douchebag that hates linux

[astral haven]

how about android emulators lol

[marsh pewter]

it sucks too because its as easy flipping a switch in EAC

[raw zephyr]

tldr: just play better games

[smoky frigate]

which is kind of bizarre, since UT99 and UT2004 shipping with linux installers on the disc

which was pretty rare

[marsh pewter]

true

[smoky frigate]

maybe they think supporting linux just strengthens their competition, valve

[marsh pewter]

perhaps, im really not sure

[smoky frigate]

it would make business sense to me at least

[astral haven]

i think they are busy with getting fortnite on the iphone

[marsh pewter]

from what I can tell it really is just tim sweeney being stuck up and thinking that linux is sooooo much easier to cheat on compared to windows (which isnt true) and it would ruin his precious money machine

[astral haven]

perhaps 5 million total linux users vs 1.2 billion iphone users?

[smoky frigate]

the number of linux users will grow slowly but steadily over the years I reckon, but at the moment it's still nothing

[astral haven]

"will"

[smoky frigate]

well it's been going at a steady rate over the past couple of years

[astral haven]

lol no

[smoky frigate]

whatever you say

[astral haven]

it was growing at an extremely slow rate prior to the steam deck, generally growing users but not growing %

steam deck doubled the userbase within 6 months, but the growth has slowed down, its still gaining, but nowhere near as fast

[marsh pewter]

there are around 32.8 million linux users

[astral haven]

cite a source that doesnt include webcrawlers please

[halcyon moss]

android

[astral haven]

there are 3 billion android devices lol

[frozen ingot]

if companies like sony feel that they can exclude half the world from their player network because there's not enough money to be made I doubt the linux userbase stand much of a chance getting corporations interest

most of these corporations despise linux for not having the means to control it either

[astral haven]

40% of all steam linux people are using the deck, the deck has around 5-6m units which means optimistically there are 15m gamers on linux

[unkempt lake]

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-granite-ridge-zen-5-desktop-cpu-leak-5-8-ghz-19-percent-faster-7950x/

I just realized how funny it would be

If i replace my 9700k

With a 9700x

[astral haven]

problem is tho, most people dont actually use the deck despite having bought it, steam monthly active users is supposedly around 200m, tho they dont publish
linux has 1.9% of all users, which means on the lower end you are looking at 4M users
so you are somewhere between 4 and 15m users for sweeny to go after