🔌│tech

[reef patrol]

ELSEWHERE 😄

[astral haven]

yea thats what im saying tho

the us is different

because each city can have a different law for even basic human rights

[reef patrol]

The US is not a country. That was my original argument.

It likes to think it is.

[astral haven]

🤷 maybe, but it sure aint like the eu

[reef patrol]

Yes - We have those in the EU as well 😉

[reef patrol]

It is the closest, non single country comparison.

[astral haven]

^^^

[reef patrol]

Oh no you definitely cannot just ignore EU law. You can try and get sued.

[astral haven]

in the us, the supreme court can yeet your laws if it doesnt like them

[reef patrol]

Some things are opt in, others are not.

[reef patrol]

Yes - Same with the EU.

[astral haven]

not all of the eu tho

well not that they are simple in the us lmao

[umbral heron]

Quite simple in EU really
There are some weapons which are forbidden in whole EU
There are some weapons which are up to individual country to decide, but they must be regulated with permits

[true quest]

do summarize

ah yes the marihuana conundrum

[astral haven]

mansen is 100% right that the us acts closer to the EU than any other UN country does, but its closer to the larger states than it is to the eu in terms of structure

[umbral heron]

Yeah, there's The Subsidiarity Principle, it's basically the same as 10th amendment

When applied in the context of the EU, the principle of subsidiarity serves to regulate the exercise of the Union's non-exclusive powers. It rules out Union intervention when an issue can be dealt with effectively by Member States themselves at central, regional or local level.

[astral haven]

that is not a law tho

that regulates the actions of the organization
not the implementation of the laws

[umbral heron]

Article 5(3) in Treaty on European Union
3. Under the principle of subsidiarity, in areas which do not fall within its exclusive competence, the Union shall act only if and in so far as the objectives of the proposed action cannot be sufficiently achieved by the Member States, either at central level or at regional and local level, but can rather, by reason of the scale or effects of the proposed action, be better achieved at Union level.

[astral haven]

yea so what you said was correct

but like that isnt a explicit law on how laws are interpreted

[umbral heron]

Every individual treaty states if it's Union-wide law or up to members to interpret and implement

[astral haven]

yea and thats not how it works in the us

[reef patrol]

Here's a fun fact. All laws are interpreted.

[umbral heron]

Yeah, that is true

[astral haven]

yes
but the us constituion specifically makes it such that the federal level is the arbiter

if the state disagrees with the federal level, its up to the supreme court, which is also federal

[reef patrol]

And if a country in the EU does something that the EU is of the belief that they dictate, then the matter is brought up on an EU legal level.

[umbral heron]

Court of Justice of the European Union is more or less the same as Supreme Court in US

[astral haven]

however court of justice rulings do not override any and all state law, that is again up to the individual states

[reef patrol]

Not quite.

[astral haven]

larger EU members do that

but you dont have to be a full eu member

[reef patrol]

If a country refuses to adhere to a EU ruling, that's going to cause trouble. The EU can withhold funds or worse, and other countries might also get involved.

[astral haven]

yes and no

[reef patrol]

Yes and... yes.

[astral haven]

there are different tiers of being in the eu

while that might be true for germany and france, it isnt true for switzerland for example

[reef patrol]

Now you're just moving those goalposts to find exceptions to the rule 😛

[umbral heron]

Switzerland is in EEA, not in EU

EFTA*

[astral haven]

yes but the EU specifically has exceptions

at the highest level

[hallow iron]

What is with Switzerland?

[wheat plume]

why and how are function parameters options in python?
you can call a function that wants arguments and not pass any and it will still work but idk where tf its getting the values it is meant to be passed

[astral haven]

which is what?
😛

[fickle ore]

They are fools

[hallow iron]

Dont they? They all use euros aslong as i know but they still have their own

[vagrant pagoda]

national pride

[umbral heron]

Yet. There were exceptions to that, but after current changes in treaties all members will have to swap to Euro in forseeable future

[fickle ore]

where is norway on that list jeeze

[analog sinew]

norway is not eu, its schengen

[astral haven]

norway is not a member, its just an EU state of the non member variety

[fickle ore]

like I said, foolery

[analog sinew]

absolutely

[fickle ore]

they are in europe, maybe in eu, maybe in schengen and 20 other stupid names and alliances

[umbral heron]

Yes, that was the state of things before amendments in treaties which were added few days back
Now all members will have to switch to Euro, once changes are finally in EU law

[analog sinew]

well, the previous two thousand years they were at war, so it's an improvement

[fickle ore]

dude they cant even agree on same language

idiots

[latent mural]

im not idiot

[analog sinew]

and they wont

[latent mural]

eu has the best culture

[umbral heron]

Yeah

[analog sinew]

currency is one thing, language another

[fickle ore]

could make so much better money and be a economic superstate but nope, got my language pride

[astral haven]

different definitions of territories

[analog sinew]

yeah its called culture

[latent mural]

dags probably irish

[hallow iron]

Why would they

Its more interesting

[umbral heron]

Language isn't really a barrier, most people are bilingual, and English is one of official languages of EU

[fickle ore]

?? ease of access of knowledge, unity, job markets etc

[astral haven]

also the usa doesnt have an official language either, that is in fact up to the states

[latent mural]

learn the language

[hallow iron]

We all learn english in school

[fickle ore]

EU 100% makes less money and innovations than US because we have no common language.

[fickle ore]

not enough

[latent mural]

bros waffling

[hallow iron]

I mean i can speak it almost fluently except weird words

If you cant learn it its an skill issue

[fickle ore]

Eh, it's pretty common knowledge lol

[latent mural]

are you american

[astral haven]

while the us does have a common language, thats actually not part of federal law, it just so happens that all of the states agreed on at least english

[umbral heron]

Yup, EU doesn't have territories per se

[crisp granite]

opt out means nothing

all they need to do is fail a vote every year

[fickle ore]

Just look at European innovation and GDP levels, as well as real wage growth compared to US. It's pathetic.

[fickle ore]

Got lucky yeah

[astral haven]

well real wage growth in the us has been zero for how many years now?
50?

[hallow iron]

I mean i dont really care about the EU im in Switzerland were chilling we have money etc

[fickle ore]

worse in EU

[astral haven]

shh

[umbral heron]

We have way better labour law tbh

[astral haven]

it aint great here is the point, not sure they should copy

[fickle ore]

idc about switcherland either

[hallow iron]

Never said you would 🙂

[astral haven]

better for who
humans in general, or just really rich people 😛
methinks its just the former, where in the us its far better for the latter...

[fickle ore]

The point was exactly that common language is the way to go for any kind of prosperity. EU is useless and falling behind, just dissolve it if you have no plans to go full way.

[astral haven]

???

what part of the eu isnt the usa dont people get

[umbral heron]

English mate, we speak it

[astral haven]

they are different organizations with different purposes

[umbral heron]

Also lately EU is getting infinitely based
https://www.ifixit.com/News/86963/european-parliament-just-approved-fair-parts-pricing-and-a-ban-on-parts-pairing
Total ban on parts pairing DRM and fair pricing on repair parts, fuck you Apple

[fickle ore]

what was wrong with my sentences this time e_e

[astral haven]

Yup
This stuff is really awesome for humanity, but it's not great for super rich people

[umbral heron]

Nothing, just you say we don't have common language, but English is common for all, and most people are bilingual

[fickle ore]

No worries most ppl don't even understand in my native, prob something in the head.

[fickle ore]

Not sure I agree it's better in the EU. Job mobility is worse with forced 1 month notice. Corps don't hire fast. Which continent has more issues with unemployment? The expectation of better conditions and security is negatively correlated and baked to wages. Can't work 5-10 years in here and FI/RE like US, Switzerland excluded.

[astral haven]

Lol that's the point

[fickle ore]

I'd switch spots with US ppl any time.

[astral haven]

Most us people have no option to fire

[fickle ore]

And I forward them to fire calcs and compound interest calcs.

[astral haven]

Look up the average salary and cost of living for a specific area

[fickle ore]

Cost of living numbers are meaningless. Probably involves a 8 % mortgage, HOA fees, 100k brand new car for most people. Can't expect to FIRE if you're pound foolish.

[astral haven]

Nope

Cost of living

The actual technical term

[latent mural]

cost of living aint real

just steal and shit, fuck em

[astral haven]

Sometimes known as the poverty line

[fickle ore]

Oh well, prob strayed too far from tech 😛

[astral haven]

Even ignoring that, the average salary in my area is not enough for an 18 year old entering the workforce to fire at 30 assuming their parents paid for every expense the entire time and their entire salary went into savings that are nasdaq indexed

[fickle ore]

I'm not sure if you've checked the site, but for my city it gives a 3.5k€ for a family of 4. I could probably make do with 1/4 of that.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

Looks to have lots of cities an countries

[astral haven]

For a family of 4?

[fickle ore]

It probably is, just not fireing in US if adjusted for risk. However, if you're willing to expat elsewhere, prob doable.

[astral haven]

You would have to do with 1k, you can't quarter that

Housing prices in the US are massively inflated thanks to investment firms, which doesn't benefit the average homeowner, just the megacorps

[astral haven]

Again

I also include the children of the mega rich as part of the mega rich

[hardy idol]

@digital cliff hello drunkie

:)

[fickle ore]

Not investment firms. They are not the cause they are the effect. The real reason is prob zoning and effects. American cities look so weird, dude.

[astral haven]

Zoning just redistributes prices

[umbral heron]

Coil-based charging of electric cars? The losses in energy will be enormous

[true quest]

they're learning from logitech's mousepad lol

[ashen spindle]

oh god this seems like the next entry for eev blogs series like making fun of solar roadways

[umbral heron]

SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS

[final flame]

Solar roadways would be good if it didn't impead the structural performance of the road

[ashen spindle]

yeah and if its didnt need 4 times the maintenance at 1/4 the production of energy

[final flame]

Solar windows imo are a more viable option, especially for cities

[ashen spindle]

no just do what korea does, instead of bike paths running on them, put it above them, 100% regular efficency and rain cover for pedestrians at the same time

[final flame]

If only America had bike infrastructure

[ashen spindle]

I mean if its not a bike lane just in the middle like this works too

or ont he sides or w/e

works in america then too

[latent mural]

so i have a 3060 and ive talked about this before but just playing roblox alone gets my gpu to 106c. do i need to change where my pc is? do I need to upgrade the fans? or do i need to somehow watercool my gpu

[final flame]

No you don't understand, 90% of bike infrastructure in the US is just a painted line on the side of a road, nothing dividing the cars in the road from the cyclists

[ashen spindle]

oh god no need to watercool such a low tier gpu

[latent mural]

k thanks

[ashen spindle]

clean it out, compressed air to get rid of dust etc.

[hardy idol]

yeah that'll do a lot probably

what kind of 3060 is it

[latent mural]

will do that rn. is there anything else I can do to help with this issue?

[latent mural]

i have the box in my closet give me a minute

[ashen spindle]

see if its an issue still afterwards

if it is then make sure the fans in the case work

[final flame]

This is how most of them are, if there is one at all

[hardy idol]

no circulation is probably your issue then

OH WAIT

I thought you said the pc is in the closet 😂

My fault

[hardy idol]

this is pretty dangerous tbh

[ashen spindle]

yes, being outside in america always is

[latent mural]

found it on amazon so Ill just link it

[hardy idol]

oki

[latent mural]

this should be it because i know it did say zotac
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-GeForce-Graphics-IceStorm-ZT-A30600H-10M/dp/B08W8DGK3X/ref=asc_df_B08W8DGK3X/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=524568852471&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1696161479558862091&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031059&hvtargid=pla-1186567256620&psc=1&mcid=257a51f3ef3c3d1e9c14b25aa28b028a&gclid=Cj0KCQiA35urBhDCARIsAOU7QwmODmYnGofc6zDLw_LVAMnkH_kBzBx4fyEYJJ6IpBaHtQnIzkBBrE4aAja_EALw_wcB

dunno how to make a word blue that redirects you to a link

[final flame]

Hyperlinks?

[hardy idol]

tbh I'm suprised it gets hot

[latent mural]

yeah that 🤣

[hardy idol]

I was fearing you had a low profile version but this should get rid of its heat rather well

[umbral heron]

It's enough there's https:// on the start

[hardy idol]

Vraptor, in what kind of environment is the PC?

[ashen spindle]

clean it out first to make sure its not just dust, no point worrying about more if it likely is just that

[latent mural]

in my room, i hate having a messy room so all thats here is my desk, pc, bed and i always have the window open but i do live in california so

[hardy idol]

does the case flow well

[latent mural]

i think it does. this was originally a cyberpower prebuilt then i just swapped out the parts throughout the 3 years of having it when i could

[hardy idol]

hm

idk what cases they used

[latent mural]

i bet i could find it but it might take me a few minutes since it was a christmas gift

[final flame]

Cyberpower can either be alright airflow wise or absolutely closed off in the front

If you can find a photo of what the case looks like or take a photo

[latent mural]

this isnt the exact one but its pretty close to what the front of my pc looks like almost identical

guessing its the airflow then

nvm that IS the case

[latent mural]

@final flame

[ashen spindle]

I mean yeah the airflow there is bad but its likely just dust or something, that card doesnt draw much power

clean in, if still high temp see if you can increase fan speeds

[latent mural]

okay

[hardy idol]

+1 on quins comment

[final flame]

+1 on quins comment too

[gusty kiln]

I run my PC without the front and side panel

ez tempurature fix

[umbral heron]

Front sure
Side not really, it messes up airflow

[gusty kiln]

it lets the hot air from the gpu out faster, and it's my space heater

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/8BgRHPt6vSE

ah..the ultimate canvas to showcase his weebness

yep xd

[latent mural]

Do I use a microfiber cloth to clean the fans?? Ignore my dog in the background

That’s the dirtiest one so

I’ve been using a compressed can of air

[gusty kiln]

dog tax, please show dog

[ashen spindle]

eh just any piece of cloth or q tip or whatever is fine

but that doesnt look too bad

[latent mural]

We rescued him so we’re tryna settle and get him a haircut

[gusty kiln]

d'aww

[latent mural]

Here’s a bit one but that’s off topic

[latent mural]

Yeah I’m cleaning the fans they’re not bad so is it the case?

[ashen spindle]

I mean I was primarily thinking about the fans ont he gpu not the case

[latent mural]

Ohh

[ashen spindle]

those make the biggest difference if they are dusty

[gusty kiln]

what is overheating?

[latent mural]

They look clean. Just as new

[gusty kiln]

that CPU cooler is a bit underpowered tbh

[latent mural]

When I play Roblox it goes to 104c. Tried to go on the lowest quality game

[gusty kiln]

cpu or gpu?

[ashen spindle]

the 3060

[gusty kiln]

really???

hmmm

[latent mural]

Yeah

[gusty kiln]

maybe bad paste application from the factory

[latent mural]

I mean I have a Ryzen 9 5900x but I think that’s water cooled

[ashen spindle]

that cpu draw like a third or fourth of power of the gpu lel

[gusty kiln]

or the cooler is slightly lifted off from the die because of some defect

[ashen spindle]

are both fans running or are the fans broken maybe

[gusty kiln]

104 is crazy even in a bad case

[latent mural]

I have like a corsair 850 gold supply thing I think

[latent mural]

Never checked to be honest with you

The back of the pc is pretty close to my wall

Could that be it

[ashen spindle]

ehh maybe but not likely

[gusty kiln]

think the cooler contact with the GPU die is fucked

[ashen spindle]

could be

[latent mural]

Idk much about computers can you explain it to me like I’m 5 🤣

[gusty kiln]

it just like a cooler on your cpu

[ashen spindle]

cooler not correctly on the gpu chip

[gusty kiln]

except it was done wrong at the factory or messed up during shipping

[latent mural]

Nonono the cpu had water cooling. The gpu doesn’t

[gusty kiln]

yeah I know

your CPU is fine, I'm just using it as an example

[latent mural]

Ohhh

[ashen spindle]

the biggest part of the gpu is just a block of metal moving heat away from the chip under it

[latent mural]

So what can I do here at home?

[ashen spindle]

so there is a chance its not properly on it

which would need removing it and putting it back on

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[ashen spindle]

but I'd first look if the fans are working

[latent mural]

I mean my pc turns into a PlayStation 4 on steroids when I play a game

[gusty kiln]

yeah see if the fan are spinning when you play

[latent mural]

So I just always guessed the sound was the gpu fans

On the gpu correct

[gusty kiln]

yes

[ashen spindle]

could be that just one fan is working

that one goes into overdrive but might not be enough

would be easier to change that reseating the cooler

[gusty kiln]

yeah

could even just zip-tie a fan onto it

[latent mural]

I’ll check once I move my pc to my room

If they do work what can I do?

Get a new case?

[ashen spindle]

the case is probably not making much of a difference

se if a open side panel changes anything

[gusty kiln]

worst case is new GPU, unless you are still in the RMA window

[hardy idol]

yeah it's strange tbh

i really wanted to and tried hard but i don't think my 4080 has been above 70C yet

[gusty kiln]

which model?

[final gyro]

anyone know how much voltage the wooting 60he uses?

[ashen spindle]

not sure what exactly you mean but #🔧│keyboard_modding probably had people that know the answer

[final gyro]

o i just meant like how much power it uses

but ima go there and ask

rn i dont think i have enough power going to all my devices lol

[ashen spindle]

you will need a powered usb hub if that is the real question

[final gyro]

wdym?

im plugging everything straight into the mobo

[ashen spindle]

yeah then that should be fine

[gusty kiln]

a powered usb hub can solve that issue

[hardy idol]

asus

[final gyro]

is that connected to the mobo?

or an outlet?

[gusty kiln]

both

[final gyro]

wait what

[gusty kiln]

one for data one for extra power

[final gyro]

ohhh i see

how much are they typically?

[gusty kiln]

like 10-20 for a simple one

[final gyro]

o i see

is it like this?

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[final gyro]

o ok

ty

rn my lamp is connected to my mobo and it flashes when i go max brightness lol

and according to the manual it means it doesnt have enough power

[latent mural]

Mrs?

Rma auto correct

[gusty kiln]

Return Merchandise Authorization

usually get like 2 year warrenty with your gpu

you can RMA to get a replacement if approved

[latent mural]

the fans are working at no joke the speed of light

under the gpu the 2 fans are actually so fast i would lose my finger if i stuck it in there lol

[latent mural]

like taking off the tempered glass??

[gusty kiln]

that's actually bad news, something is wrong with the metal cooler contacting the GPU

[latent mural]

which means?

[crisp granite]

prove it 😈

[latent mural]

🤑

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/dontputyourdickinthat/

[latent mural]

so what do i need to do? buy a new gpu?

[gusty kiln]

what's the warrenty left on your pc/gpu?

[latent mural]

i only have these open and my temps are saying whatever this means

dunno why theres 2 that show diff temps

[final flame]

That 2nd temp is kinda high if it's idle

[latent mural]

im doing nothing other than having discord and opera open

and icue obv

[gusty kiln]

it's like edge/junction temp

[ashen spindle]

hot spot or memory temp probably

[hardy idol]

what's the room temp

[latent mural]

dont know i bet i can find out somehow

[hardy idol]

just a guess

is it warm or cold

[latent mural]

i have my fan on max so its a bit cold

without it its really warm

like when i sleep i need the fan on max or i just dont use the blanket

[hardy idol]

Damn that does explain some stuff

what temp would it be, same as outside temp (because window open?)

[ashen spindle]

nah it doesnt make it that much hottter

[hardy idol]

i mean yeah the cpu is getting cooled

[latent mural]

windows closed rn

let me find a thermometer we have one that can check room temp

ill check without fan on and window closed

[ashen spindle]

nah it doesnt matter

[latent mural]

ah really

[hardy idol]

no?

[ashen spindle]

your room could be 40C that isnt making a gpu that works correctly go to 107C lol

[hardy idol]

Ooh 107

I thought in the 60s

[latent mural]

103-7c is the highest i would see on my gpu

[hardy idol]

like here

[latent mural]

rn the temp#2 is at 70c

[hardy idol]

ooh over 100 is very toasty

especially since ur cpu coolant isn't that hot

it's actually quite cool

[latent mural]

yeah i only know fahrenheit whichn is around like idk 200 degrees?

[gusty kiln]

his cpu is an AIO, gpu seperate

[latent mural]

heres the entire dashboard if you wanna see it

lmk if something shouldnt be on

[hardy idol]

I know

[latent mural]

like overclocked or anything

[ashen spindle]

nah that is way too far for any regular oc switch to be on or anything

[latent mural]

okay

and i factory reset my pc around a week or 2 ago

so i dont think i would have a bitcoin miner

i only watch youtube, movies on hbo max, and play steamgames

and discord to talk to my friends obv

[ashen spindle]

as jacona said at this point it could likely be the cooler not being correctly on the gpu

[latent mural]

hm

do you guys want an image of my pc to see if theres something im missing

[ashen spindle]

nah unless you like completely block off the air below the gpu or something lol

[latent mural]

which i dont

[ashen spindle]

look at a video for a teardown of the card if you are comfortable doing that otherwise might be an option for a pc shop to do it to remount the cooler and replace the paste

[latent mural]

yeah i dont know enough to do a teardown of my gpu

might aswell do the 2nd option

tysm guys

yall prob just saved me like 300 bucks on getting a new cooler

[ashen spindle]

there is some chance it could be really wrony gpu settings somehow but a pc shop should be able to check for that too, but at this points its more likely its not sitting on it correctly or the paste dried out or similar

[latent mural]

my water cooler has 2 like pipes and they both go to the cpu

i was out of town so i had a relative take it somewhere they mightve took it to best buy??? i dont know to be honest

[ashen spindle]

Idk about us stores which ones would make sense

[latent mural]

yeah this is my liquid cooer

lets say i do get a new cooler, whats a good one? is the nzxt kraken i think its called actually good?

[hardy idol]

I have a 360mm one it cools quite well id say

if questions I'll come back to it in quite a few hours as im asleep
(i sleep-replied)

[latent mural]

k have a nice sleep

ty all for the help

[ashen spindle]

that is a cpu cooler and your cpu uses barely any power

so any cheap cooler will be just fine

[latent mural]

alright

[ashen spindle]

but yeah at this point get the gpu/pc to a shop and have them check is the best way and let them know how hot it gets under load

[latent mural]

k

[keen sonnet]

My keyboard (apex pro tkl) keys feel tough to push down like it doesn’t feel light light is it a case of lubing them and if so is it even worth I can just wait for my wootung ti arrive

[latent mural]

actually when i use geforce experience it says 68c, and so does temp #1 on icue. have we been looking at the wrong one? or is it still a problem

eh whatever im still taking it in, thanks for all the help ocne again

[astral haven]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ericsson-processors-built-on-intel-4-process-node-beat-meteor-lake-to-market
👀

[dark saddle]

Ordered the Wooting days ago. Going from optical yellows(GK61) how drastic do you think the change will be?

[true quest]

in the right classes

at the right schools

to think the low income school i attended had a better engineering workshop than the IB school i attended

[true quest]

i didn't mind some of the arts at the high end school, wish the engineering department had more funding for a real workshop

[empty wren]

Sounds like a useful skill to have

[true quest]

would be practical to have it in one place

[empty wren]

It anything would have been more practical for robotics club

That could lead to more tools being present

[empty wren]

At my high school it was divided

Some sheet metal tools

Power tool and heavy machinery in another place

And then the wood room

And two computer labs

[true quest]

im talking about arts and engineering at the same school

[empty wren]

Along with the server room in the middle of all that ish

[empty wren]

Oh

That sounds tough

My sister attended a different high school

More arts focused

Depended on private sponsor funding

Leading to even have to use those funds to borrow another school's gymnasium

So probably both only for the omega rich

Also people who went there had to wear uniforms bleh

Sad to hear that

But some people are bullies i guess

[pale sigil]

@cursive summit I finally switched to android tablet full time

And miui pad is

So much better than all

[smoky frigate]

asian ding dong name or allah??

[astral haven]

well in the us its just incompetence
friend of mine's name is in the top 100 most common, and his name would regularly get messed up

[gusty kiln]

does it have a desktop mode?

[empty wren]

https://youtu.be/Dd7FixvoKBw?si=kWVyxtR7iWXQbjEP

[astral haven]

https://ui.com/us/cloud-gateways/express
heck yea!

finally a scalable and affordable unifi device!

[empty wren]

Seems like they did not do their research or somethin

I honestly do not understand how anyone can simply just trust it

When they should have been skeptical since correct me if I am wrong this was public knowledge

[astral haven]

i dont think any of the apple people understand the point of this

this was a hack to bypass a limitation of apple devices, and trick morons who care about bubble color is important into thinking you have an apple device

[empty wren]

I mean some people in America get looked at badly for bubble color as well

Anyways Nothing would have been better of creating their version of this or offered simple setup for MacBook, macmini and iMac users to get the functionality on an app made by nothing

That would have been ideal

[astral haven]

i thought that was already a thing

https://bluebubbles.app/faq/

found it

this works fine apparently

[empty wren]

It is but bringing it more as a stock feature since some phone users really are not that smart on device usage

[astral haven]

yep

if you want secure, you self host obviously

[empty wren]

Well I just mean some people who use computers and phones can be braindead beyond doing a simple task

[astral haven]

yes?

and so they wont be secure

[empty wren]

No no no

I just meant a stock simple set of steps to set up the client on their device

Like make it a part of the phone setup after turned on the first time

Since enough people would not go out of their way to fiddle with some application they never heard of

[astral haven]

ok so link them to https://airmessage.org/install/

[empty wren]

I guess that is one way to do it

[astral haven]

the problem is you need mac minis

[empty wren]

Ooooi how about this

[astral haven]

or a mac of some kind

or a vm

[empty wren]

Hackintosh?

[astral haven]

yep
hackintosh vm will work

[empty wren]

But I am guessing Apple would sue nothing for selling those

[astral haven]

selling sure

but its probably cheaper to just buy old macs

run vms on the macs

[empty wren]

What about bundling a refurbished one with the device

Does that sound a little less sue worthy?

[astral haven]

thats also expensive

[empty wren]

You are right

Tricky one

[astral haven]

i mean they were as end to end as apple is

they just also had separate services that werent that were automatically enabled

[empty wren]

Would the content not have to be unencrypted before sending anyways

Since imessage would not know what to do about the foreign encryption key

[astral haven]

yes and no

if imessage was user end to end then sure

but apple considers their own servers to be an endpoint for purposes of their "end to end" claims

and as such so can sunbird

[empty wren]

That is...

So theoretically does apple see the message twice

[astral haven]

3 times

[empty wren]

Whoa hold up what

[astral haven]

first time if you havent disabled icloud on your phone and you have the messages backing up to icloud
second time when you send them the message
and 3rd time on the receiving end where its the same story as the first time

[empty wren]

Bruh

I guess I can understand point 1

Anyways well then

[astral haven]

obviously what sunbird was doing was stupid and incompetent

but it wasnt that it wasnt end to end encrypted

it just also had other nonfeatures that werent

antifeatures not nonfeatures

[empty wren]

This also reminds me how apple is the middleman with apple pay

While Google does not do so

[astral haven]

define middleman

[empty wren]

Hold on

[astral haven]

google still gets your cc number lets be clear

[empty wren]

Nevermind I should rephrase what I said

[astral haven]

that seems wrong tho?

[crisp granite]

so much more crap on google's end wtf

[astral haven]

both apple and google give different card numbers from your real card

so by definition you have to pass through them at some point

[empty wren]

I mean it is from last year

[astral haven]

this is a feature that both added before 2019 when i was paying closer attention to these sort of things

[empty wren]

Card is encrypted on their server not like another step matters amyways

[empty wren]

Guess I was misled then

[astral haven]

maybe they are counting that as part of step 1

but you definetly have to talk to the servers

[empty wren]

Oh you mean apple has the card on their servers too

[astral haven]

Yep, though it might not necessarily be the card number itself that they store, they presumably use your card number to authenticate you and then get a token sort of thing from the bank or more accurately the credit card company.

[crisp granite]

still
more crap
also not a fan of having my payment info on google servers

[empty wren]

I mean why are you worried you use apple products

[astral haven]

Oh, no, actually, I forgot. Both have autofill for your credit cards, so they have to be storing the number.

[crisp granite]

Apple Pay is what I use to buy my liquor

chacha real smooth

[empty wren]

Could it not be browser cached

Or maybe some iCloud backup

[astral haven]

The worst thibg about Apple Pay is that it changes the color of the Apple credit card when you purchase different things. So if you're paying attention, you can figure out what sort of things somebody buys.
And it shows it every time you need to pay

[astral haven]

Yes? But same difference

[empty wren]

I see

That is a new feature right

Came with the apple card

Which might die now

Out of all the companies apple chose Goldman Sachs

[crisp granite]

so it's an apple credit card specific issue

meh

[empty wren]

Apple bringeth and apple taketh

[empty wren]

People fookin stole card creditentals and used them before it was out AND THE CARD HQD NO FREAKING NUMBER AT ALL

[astral haven]

Apple just taketh from Goldman sachs

[empty wren]

Lol

I miss the idea of Samsung pay even though it has little to no place now and I never even got to use it

Mimicking a mag stripe seems wicked

[astral haven]

yea, i was very disappointed when i learned about it

because i had already gotten rid of my phone that supported it, and its not on the new models

samsung pay uses the apple pay mechanism tho, so samsung phones tend to be maximally compatible

[empty wren]

What do you mean apple.pay mechanism

[astral haven]

no clue

but it works on the pos devices that arent google play compatible and only advertise tap to pay and apple pay

[empty wren]

Weird

That makes no sense to me

If it has tap it has to work with Google pay right? Right?

[astral haven]

nope

[empty wren]

Weird

Probably some licensing thing then

[astral haven]

its about how the payment is processed

with google pay, the token is sent over the internet

with apple and samsung its sent over the air

[empty wren]

Speaking of Walmart has Walmart pay I guess that would be a similar point.

[empty wren]

In the terminal?

[astral haven]

to the terminal

[empty wren]

I pay offline with Google pay though at time?

[astral haven]

the terminal cant be offline

[empty wren]

Okay so it is then the terminal

[astral haven]

ye

[empty wren]

Weird somehow a token can be sent through air sounds insecure

Cuz what else exists

Radio?

[astral haven]

radio is over the air

[empty wren]

Yes....

Radio is also insecure

Or is there some other standard I am forgetting?

[astral haven]

anything over the air is radio

[timber mantle]

Telepathy.

[empty wren]

Lol thanks forgot about that

[timber mantle]

Check. Mate

[astral haven]

if you can prove your telepathy isnt radio, theres a million bucks to be made

[timber mantle]

If you could prove telepathy at all there's waaaaaaaaay more than that to be had.

[astral haven]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge

sure but theres definetly a million

[timber mantle]

Supervillainy here I come.

[empty wren]

I guess the fact it is a token is what makes it secure then even if radio is probably not

[astral haven]

ok so fyi, wifi, nfc, bluetooth, all radio

[empty wren]

Nobody is gonna bring a super computer to hack somebody's $1 chip lay bag purchase from a Vending machine

[crisp granite]

do it the conventional way
take over some shithole country, install a junta headed by you
proceed to start ethnically cleansing a minority

[empty wren]

Well alright

But definitely not Bluetooth at play

NFC probably is 100% from phone to terminal

[astral haven]

nope

nfc is a 2 way situation

they all use nfc

and all of them use a basic challenge response mechanism at a lower level for securing communications including tap to pay

[empty wren]

Hmm

[empty wren]

Even the physical card from a bank which is just a coil that is powered by the terminal?

[astral haven]

yep!

[empty wren]

For some reason, I still think phone pay is safer for some reason

Does the physical card obfuscate itself to a new token each time?

[astral haven]

yes and no

[timber mantle]

I'll start with Quebec and work my way up.

[astral haven]

you can still steal the number of the card, but the encrypted data for actually paying changes

[crisp granite]

it's starting to get old

[timber mantle]

If that dork Trudeau can run it how hard can it be

[timber mantle]

Respectfully disagree.

[empty wren]

So perhaps someone could make the transaction an old fashioned way or do mean they can only get so much information so quick?

[timber mantle]

But fine.

Ontario.

[empty wren]

Fair enough

On phones also can turn off nfc

Cards do not have that function...

[vagrant pagoda]

there is zero chance a iphone connects directly to a bank, and not though an apple server

that would be dumb

[astral haven]

the us doesnt require that this be enabled tho
its only required in the eu

[astral haven]

nah when you are paying it uses the standard chip card smart card virtualization technique

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah and that dosent go from phone to bank

[astral haven]

it goes from phone to payment terminal and from payment terminal to bank

[vagrant pagoda]

this is for online payments no?

it def isnt contactless

[astral haven]

thats not what we were talking about

[vagrant pagoda]

as gpay works off line

im talking about the diagram

[astral haven]

the payment terminal cant be offline

but also we have already determined the diagram is very wrong

[empty wren]

Yeah actually that makes a ton of sense a vending machine a week or so would not accept gpay and it kept giving me the offline message. Some tech worker fixed it the following week.

[vagrant pagoda]

thats all tap to pay

even cards

[empty wren]

I see

[vagrant pagoda]

you cant do offline trasnactions like you could with swipe

[empty wren]

Rip Samsung pay

[vagrant pagoda]

that still exists?

[empty wren]

No

[astral haven]

samsung pay does still exist

the mag card emulation feature however is gone

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah like i used it an hour ago

yeah everything should be chip and pin

so mag emulation is dumb

only place it was nice was home depot

[astral haven]

it was useful back in the day for the stores who didnt want to upgrade their pos systems

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah walmart and hd still dont

atleast walmarts app is quick for paying

[empty wren]

I think a home Depot somewhere does but it is being tested

[astral haven]

home depot here has tap to pay

[empty wren]

Lucky you

[vagrant pagoda]

not anywhere ive seen

they have tap to pay card readers

[empty wren]

I do find it odd though some retail stores ask for pin and some do not with contactless pay

[vagrant pagoda]

up to the retailer

[astral haven]

that is a choice by them

[vagrant pagoda]

its the same as some do only credit chip

so no pin

[astral haven]

fkn linus lol

[empty wren]

Also some give the option to skip the pin when requested

[astral haven]

what is that wrap

[vagrant pagoda]

thats just a basic irridecnet wrap

[astral haven]

why tho

[vagrant pagoda]

its almost pink/

[astral haven]

also note whats under the rear tire there lel

[astral haven]

yup

actually its a dell but close enough

[vagrant pagoda]

? in the video they had a toughtbook

[astral haven]

oh so it was

[vagrant pagoda]

its the mid teir one

hence the rotating screen

i have a cf-31

its even beefier

[vagrant pagoda]

i use mine for boat code reading and shit

[fair gull]

dont u need one on boats anyway to read charts

[final flame]

reminds me of that one guy who brought a laptop with him on his boat on daily dose

[fair gull]

like i had a lot of customers at my old it tech job and installed see chart software all the time

and made it communicate with GPS mice

https://www.freietonne.de/

completely free seecharts for example

[severe phoenix]

https://twitter.com/SheriefFYI/status/1730078757204144307

[final flame]

that's cool
would be funny asf to go into a movie studio and look at the colorists desk and just see a bunch of steam decks on their desk

[cursive summit]

Sorry for your loss

Not buying a Galaxy Tab S9U is just wasted potential

[umbral heron]

Vex! You're alive!

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/reigen-arataka-mob-psycho-100-gif-13774435

[umbral heron]

I see Twitter working as intended

[woven laurel]

[severe phoenix]

lol

[ashen spindle]

Oh hey the guy who went on an unhinged rant against cuttres on Twitter before he deactivated got hired again? Big grain of salt for any numbers being real when you see him as the author

[thick elk]

Oh, had to check his name, I remember him, he indeed was pretty terrible.

[cursive summit]

Sorry, I will not kick the bucket that easily

[cursive summit]

Indeed, I see that without me tech talk has been relatively quiet

Well you can enjoy your peace and quiet for a few weeks longer, I have my hands full for now

Tons of learning to do, coding some things with langchain

[old marlin]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-preparing-geforce-rtx-4090-dragon-gpu-for-china-complying-with-us-export-restrictions

guh

[umbral heron]

A week at most after the release until "leaked" firmware will be available on the net, turning it into standard 4090

[old marlin]

I wouldn't be surprised if it just came with a lower TDP configuration

[reef patrol]

imb4 firmware can be flashed to turn into into full 4090 😄

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, it looks like they'll just underclock it, given how 4090 is only around 10% too powerful to comply with export restrictions
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-reportedly-creating-new-rtx-4090-d-dragon-gpu-to-comply-with-us-export-regulations-for-china

[misty saffron]

highly doubt they’d make it unflashable

no real point

[ashen spindle]

Easier to physically cut something off than risk big fines

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/_c1RvIU6WAE

Sony takes the cake for compact and battery life categories :D

5 V for compactness and 10 V for battery life

[rough osprey]

why green

what is this app

[wheat plume]

wait wtf

🤢

https://youtu.be/BLg-1w2QayU

[empty wren]

Good to know not just me

I thought it was another one of the times I opened the app and the colors decided to reverse.

[ashen spindle]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidias-connector-story-eps-vs-12vhpwr-connector-unfortunately-good-doesnt-always-win-but-evil-does-more-and-more-often-background-information/

nice timeline of what happend from before they made the stupid decision

turns out they had the right idea, just use the EPS plugs but because nvidia needs to be special and got dropped on its head as a kid we now have the 12pin mess

[quiet edge]

My next phone is gonna be a Sony. Kinda over Sammy

[severe phoenix]

Sony prices are also extremely expensive

[quiet edge]

They had some good sales the past few weeks

So whenever I'm ready to buy I'll just wait for some sales or deals

[wheat plume]

yeh ;-; and only 1 major Android upgrade :/

[halcyon moss]

What really? Sony is way behind on the rest then

[old marlin]

Lol

Tell that to vex

They'll love it

[empty wren]

So is basically any flagship phone

[astral haven]

Yea Sony really hates updates

https://www.notebookcheck.net/US-149-Sony-A7-IV-firmware-licence-unlocks-4-custom-PNG-grid-lines-for-professional-photographers.775230.0.html

Fkn awful

[reef patrol]

Imagine charging fucking 150 dollars for the ability to overlay an image.

[empty wren]

Gotta pay up for the cosmetics

They worked really hard on them to deserve $150

[rough osprey]

when they adding 4k 60 without crop license

[astral haven]

That one is a sensor limitation

[rough osprey]

open gate license

[astral haven]

4k on the 74 would be absolutely atrocious garbage, think the per pixel quality of the 7rv 8k but with 1/4 the picels

[rough osprey]

raw license 🤔

[astral haven]

Ah yes I love shooting video at 22fps lel

[astral haven]

Now that would be cool

[rough osprey]

hm?

processor too weak or what

[astral haven]

Sensor too slow

[rough osprey]

faster readout through firmware update license 🔥

[astral haven]

That would be tough

Tho I could see line skipped half res modes added maybe

[rough osprey]

7k license 🔥

or whatever it equates to

[umbral heron]

Wait... Can't you just... print overlays in transparent foil and stick them to the screen? Or it's for something else?

[rough osprey]

but evf

[astral haven]

You can this is just more convenient

[astral haven]

You could do that to the evf too 🤣

[rough osprey]

that gonna look weird af

[boreal kiln]

wait wtf they're charging for a firmware

[rough osprey]

i mean thats nothing new

[boreal kiln]

true i think canon did it before

[rough osprey]

but just for some overlays is weird

[boreal kiln]

but i think it was only $50

if you really need the crop borders some tape or external monitor that can do it seems better

[analog sinew]

wtf

sonys cameras looked appealing but that is kinda awful

[rough osprey]

i mean doesn't change the camera

just a lil weird move

[boreal kiln]

i dont know if they ever fixed it but i really hated the UI on sony mirrorless cameras

their dslr was ok

[rough osprey]

they use a different one in newer models

[astral haven]

Yea the menu is now second only to zeiss, hasselblad, and a few of the other higher end ones

[rough osprey]

i didn't have a problem with the old one tbh

[astral haven]

The problem is that is a super low bar because Canon and nikon have gotten worse over timr

[boreal kiln]

i personally like the canon UI same with ricoh

i havent seen what fuji is like these days

[astral haven]

Not sure about rikoh myself, but Canon used to be better

[rough osprey]

cameras just got tons of settings

[boreal kiln]

but i didnt mind it on the x100s but still not as good as the ricoh gr series

but one thing i do like about canon is they kept it mostly the same since the dslr days so its super easy to find things quickly if needed

[rough osprey]

they gotta add voice control

[astral haven]

Mostly lel

They just kept sticking more garbage in the same menus lel

[boreal kiln]

hey canon take a picture

[astral haven]

So does your phone

And your phone probably has a better interface

For cheaper probably

[latent mural]

Bonjour

[rough osprey]

say please

don't be rude to your camera

[boreal kiln]

please

[astral haven]

My favorite camera interface that I own is the lytro

Absolutely excellent

[boreal kiln]

you're the first person i know who owns one

[astral haven]

For good reason lel

[boreal kiln]

i dont think iv ever seen anyone mention owning one before

[astral haven]

But it is by far the best interface on a camera

All it needs is to not be garbage at taking pictures and it would be a perfect bridge cam

[boreal kiln]

im hoping fuji and ricoh will release their new version of the x100v and gr3 next year

[astral haven]

I'm hoping to mod it to remove the light field part which should make it an incredible camera, but on the other hand I really don't want to because of how hard it might be

Oh and another camera interface that there at least are some ideas to steal from is the light l16

Tap and drag to change settings is great

[rough osprey]

i don't even use touch

[astral haven]

Because you don't own a lytro or hasselblad

[rough osprey]

sony screen kinda smol

[astral haven]

And because everyone besides those two screwed up their touch interfaces insanely
Tho Olympus has some OK ideas

[astral haven]

You ever used a phone keyboard?

[rough osprey]

no

[boreal kiln]

i dont mind the touch screen on the canon tbh

[astral haven]

That's a lie

[rough osprey]

using the buttons is just faster

[boreal kiln]

from adjusting settings to tap to focus or shutter

but it only gets used when the camera is on the tripod

[astral haven]

Not if the touch interface is well designed

[boreal kiln]

otherwise dials ftw

do any of you do back button focus ?

[astral haven]

Touch is for what doesn't fit on the dials

Yea

[rough osprey]

no

[astral haven]

And I use both bbaf buttons on my camera for different focusing modes

[boreal kiln]

for me i have shutter, aperture and iso all on dials

its all i need for photos

[rough osprey]

ye same

i just use tracking focus mostly

or manual

[astral haven]

Same, tho I also have exposure compensation since I usually use auto iso

[rough osprey]

ah i go all manual

[boreal kiln]

but back button focus is good for basically being full time manual focus or auto focus at the push of a button

been using a camera like that since 2008 or so

[astral haven]

I have focus on the shutter as well, so no mf for me

[boreal kiln]

a sports photographer put me onto that setup and it was great

so handy

half press the shutter button locks exposure

[astral haven]

Yea that's probably an OK setup

[boreal kiln]

what type of photography do you do @astral haven

[astral haven]

Whatever is nearby photography

[rough osprey]

lol

[astral haven]

When I'm on walks it's landscape, on hikes it's wildlife

At home it's product lel

Anyways finally extracted my camera from my bag

[boreal kiln]

im doing a lot of that lately

[rough osprey]

fr?

[astral haven]

This is what touch is good for

A ton of settings that you don't often change but when you do you need to do it quick

[rough osprey]

when u lay the camera down ig

or on tripod

[astral haven]

Nah it's ez even when handholding

[rough osprey]

bro strong

[astral haven]

What

[boreal kiln]

those settings is 1 button press and then a dial to change on my canon

really quick

thats when not using the touch screen

[astral haven]

Not all of them at the same time

[boreal kiln]

all of those are available on the touch screen

[astral haven]

It's a button, dial, then another button
Or using the touch screen yes

[boreal kiln]

but for most parts i dont really need to change those at all tbh when shooting

[astral haven]

Yep

[rough osprey]

u use dro?

[astral haven]

But that's the point, the touch is for stuff you use less frequently

[boreal kiln]

and if i really need access to those i can bind them to a particular button

[astral haven]

Was trying it out for video, just getting used to the profiles, it kinda works tbh

I usually shoot everything in pp11

[rough osprey]

what does that do

i just edited the first one xD

[astral haven]

Pp11 is s-cinetone

I like the look

[rough osprey]

ah ye

saves editing time

i watched some slog3 vs s cinetone comparisons

looked good

[astral haven]

Also Sony why do you have to call it pp11
Just use SCt
And like SL3

The order can be the pp number

[rough osprey]

or setup the profiles yourself

[astral haven]

You can, but they still are set by number

[rough osprey]

ye just easier to remember ig

[astral haven]

The Olympus quick menu is also pretty good

Touch or joystick or direction button all work to navigate in this menu

[latent mural]

was told to try running it without a side panel and if this dont work oh well

didnt work

[empty wren]

Enticing but winter is soon and I barely know how to snowboard https://store.insta360.com/product/ace-pro?c=2641&from=pic_nav

[analog sinew]

yeah, but a company gets a sour taste from stuff like that

[wheat plume]

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B0BR3M8XHK

Would this charge a non-Macbook laptop?

[empty wren]

Check the USB c port specs on hub

[ashen spindle]

the product page literally tells you what it does

[wheat plume]

not the specific outputs

other than 100W

[halcyon moss]

100w yeah almost anything. If the laptop is not weird it's intake

[wheat plume]

but what Amp is that? my laptop only takes 2-3A

[umbral heron]

It charges a ThinkPad just fine, I believe it'll be fine with any laptop with PD

[halcyon moss]

At what volt

[umbral heron]

Voltage matters, device will take as many amps as it needs

[wheat plume]

my laptop brick

[halcyon moss]

That dock probably does. 20v otherwise it can't get to 100watt

[analog sinew]

yeh has to be more

[wheat plume]

So it should be able to charge it?

[analog sinew]

should

[wheat plume]

Hmmm....

[umbral heron]

With plenty of room to spare

[empty wren]

Just return it if not

[wheat plume]

Yeh...

[empty wren]

It is through Amazon

[ashen spindle]

it's standard usb power delivery..

[halcyon moss]

Her laptop is weird though

[umbral heron]

20V*3.25A=65W, usual laptop battery input, why weird?

[halcyon moss]

No, that's the powerbrick. Her laptop is weird :p

[analog sinew]

lanaptop

[ashen spindle]

I mean then time to look at the laptop what it does not the powerbrick or usb hub

[wheat plume]

The charger brick is a 65w one

[umbral heron]

Haunted laptop?

[wheat plume]

Oh cal already figured that

So the USB C port on that hub is the connect the laptop charger and it passed it through to the laptop
And ok.... Hmm

Amazon said over 5 thousand people bought this during November....damn that's a lot

[latent mural]

used msi afterburner, peak was 70c. i think temp #2 was the hotspot or vram

[wheat plume]

Im struggling to figure out how this USB Hub is so cheap, the ones I typically find here are above 60 Euro

sometimes like 150 euro or higher even

[empty wren]

Catches fire after warranty spontaneously perhaps

[wheat plume]

xd

[empty wren]

But probably it is cheaply made

Could be some resold AliExpress one 🤷‍♂️

[wheat plume]

apparently its an aluminium case

[empty wren]

Does not indicate much

[wheat plume]

but that doesnt hint at the quality of the internals

[empty wren]

Precisely

[umbral heron]

All of them have aluminium cases, so does my cheapo one for Deck which costed me €25 or so

[wheat plume]

ahh

[umbral heron]

Still, they ain't bad

Nowadays charger and HUB ICs are dirt cheap to produce

[wheat plume]

blows my mind how much shit USB C can do at once

charge, multiple displays out, many usb ports, data, sound

[empty wren]

It will probably be bogged down though

If you do that all at once

[wheat plume]

have never noticed an issue with my Steam Deck when docked, got headphones, mouse, keyboard, speakers and two displays connected at once to that

[empty wren]

Well some of that is not as straining as moving data back and forth

[wheat plume]

two displays surely are more taxing than data transfer

[empty wren]

Yeah but your mouse and keyboard are not really

[wheat plume]

yeh

[empty wren]

Also headphones in USB port

[wheat plume]

yep

[empty wren]

Why?

[wheat plume]

I mainly use them over 3.5mm jack

but when at my desk, I use USB

cause I keep the USB part of the cable on my desk and bring the headphones with me with their shorter 3.5mm jack cable to use on my laptop

so when I get home, I can plug them into the USB cable and get audio immediately

the downside is that my Deck seems to think the headphones are connected when only the USB cable is connected but not the headphones themselves, so it tries to send audio to them instead of the speakers sometimes

[empty wren]

My monitor has some firmware portion that does the same with my computer

But only one monitor from the company even has actual speakers, yet it seems all models come preloaded with it

There is volume adjustment in the monitor menu which confuses me

[crimson wigeon]

It might have a sneaky 3.5 mm jack

[empty wren]

Nah Alienware said on their site it is that

Only one of their monitors actually has speakers

I see no port on this random manual from the Internet

[crimson wigeon]

It might be so sneaky it's not even in the manual

[empty wren]

You mean like inside the chassis on the board?

At the very least I suspect maybe there are pins to connect speakers to

Sorta how the uwuting no rgb has RGB in the wootility which does nothing but the pins exist meaning one could solder some LEDs to it

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah I just looked up pics of I hope that monitor referred to in the manual

[empty wren]

I will check for that when I get home

[crimson wigeon]

Not that you'd want to use it, it probably sounds terrible

[empty wren]

Right and I fixed my Asus board audio static issue

I would randomly hear static like an old TV when no signal to channel

Probably would have used the monitor port if I could not to be honest

[old marlin]

it does indeed have an audio port

[wheat plume]

L E G

This made me laugh :') Lenovo spanned the word LEGION across the Legion Go box and from the front all you can see is LEG

I only watched one when it launched

this is my second one xd

yeah yes

Im not xd

I watched Retro game corps video and now this one

and the short one by IGN about the FPS mode with the right controller

but thats like 3 minutes on just that feature

[umbral heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCb-yj1eFk

Still, there are pull tabs, I'm surprised

[wheat plume]

Strange that the Legion Go wants you to buy your games from gameplanet by default

you need to install Steam via the settings to use Steam

[steep creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bf3ORrE5hQ

[empty wren]

Real

Hmm USB ports probably for the built in split screen kvm thing

Looks hideous to have USB ports there though wires will have to go down a bit to have relief

[crimson wigeon]

It probably is just a USB hub

[empty wren]

Probably

[old marlin]

wdym

you have ones on the back as well

those are just for easy access

[empty wren]

Oh

I never looked back there except for displayport

[empty wren]

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Cybertruck-is-hard-to-make-without-panel-gaps-as-bird-droppings-may-result-in-stainless-steel-sanding.775094.0.html

[umbral heron]

"Fuck you Nvidia" upscaled to 4K with AI... on Nvidia hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPh-5P4XH6o

[hardy idol]

lmao

[hardy idol]

it's a bad idea from the start

what ss grade is it even

watch them all become brown within a year

[empty wren]

A proprietary 301-series stainless steel gives Tesla's first pickup truck unique sales a

[misty saffron]

hiiiiiiiii'

[empty wren]

are you drunk already?

[hardy idol]

301 lol

[hardy idol]

half a year then

[empty wren]

i for some reason thought you were mr pleasant for a moment

lol

[hardy idol]

no but fr

301 is very

bad choice

its easy to manufacture the exoskeleton with

but it's

for an all day all weather exterior I'd expect something else tbh

[wheat plume]

TIL Holding down spacebar in a youtube video speeds it up to 2X speed while holding the spacebar down

[umbral heron]

Same if you hold pressed left mouse button on a video view

[wheat plume]

oo

my laptops touchpad is being shit again .-.

happens every so often, just completly freaks out and autoclicks and holds down left button and whatnot .-.

[woven laurel]

sounds like a linux issue to me

[steep creek]

Yea I’ll say the force touch is just unmatched

[woven laurel]

anyways @wheat plume idk what the linux solution is but try to reinstall the driver? or is there an update possible

[steep creek]

Being able to click anywhere is slick

[misty saffron]

what do you mean already

[empty wren]

guess not

[steep creek]

My yoga trackpad is sorta indented on the left side because that’s the side I use the most

[misty saffron]

oh no i am

[wheat plume]

its a hardware problem sadly ;-;

happened on Windows too

[woven laurel]