🔌│tech

[odd sleet]

so the only issue

i have with this build u gave me

is that the motherboard doesnt have 2 display ports only 1 so what do i do about that

[crisp granite]

your GPU has ports

you should be using those

[odd sleet]

oh wait what am i even saying

im yapping for no reason

obvvvv i use the gpu ports

what are using the dp ports and stuff for mobo anyways?

if u have intergrated graphics?

it says it goes up to 5ghz

tho

tf

so if i get it should i just overclock to 5ghz? for atleast safe temps

or u could actually go higher i mean my aio cooler is top of the line

so idk

ah ok

yeah like my i7-8700k rn

i overclock it to 4.7ghz usually

and ive seen people do 5.0

but anything over 4.7

it crashes pc after a few mins

This is my pc currently

My stupid mobo lights don’t show up in armoury crate so kinda glad that new mobo wont have aura sync doesnt work half the time anyways

i dont know how to install a mobo only ram and cpu is it hard?

[crisp granite]

I wouldn't

I would honestly just engage eco mode if I were you

runs a lot cooler, a lot less noise
and next to no performance hit

could manually overclock and undervolt if you know what you're doing and are patient

[odd sleet]

I know what im doing with overclocking i been messing around with it for about a year on this cpu so

ive changed alot

currently on 1.3 volts 4.5ghz

[odd sleet]

eco mode?

i know thats a thing on power supply but like how would u turn that on

@crisp granite

[crisp granite]

bios

only on 7000 chips

when they realised people don't like chips that boost with whatever thermal headroom you give them

[vagrant pagoda]

you already got intel

so you know not to fuck up the socket

[crisp granite]

just be sure to press the pins flat

there's more of a conductive surface for the CPU if you do

👍

(this is obviously a joke, you will brick a mobo if you do)

[odd sleet]

Lmao

[odd sleet]

What does that mean

So what ghz should my 78003xd be at

So like 4.4-4.8 probably

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean i love my custom charge

[digital cliff]

yeah my PST II from like 2003 is unironically the best leatherman I've used but then again I have not tried the better modern ones

only the wave which is bad

[severe phoenix]

https://fortune.com/2023/11/21/google-crooked-bully-ceo-fortnite-epic-games-testifies-play-store-trial/

[hardy idol]

couldn't care less about epic

[severe phoenix]

What?

Steam is similar and was even before Epic

Steam has always had a sliding scale

Not just 30%

[hardy idol]

multitool so basically sucks at everything

[severe phoenix]

Indies were often starting between 10-15%. Lower as time went on, and AAA's start at 30%, then go to 25%, 20% ect.

I see the Epic brainwashing has served it well 😛

[ashen spindle]

The sliding scale came after epic started it lol

[umbral heron]

If you think 30% is nuts what about Google pocketing 70% of earnings from Play Store

[severe phoenix]

No, actually

It had it for years before

I was friends with the developers of Tripwire games, you know Red Orchestra, RO2 and a lot of other games

Even so far back they were telling me they were only getting charged like 15% instead of 30

This was before EGS even was a twinkle in Sweeneys eye

[ashen spindle]

Steam made an announcement of how you go down from 30 after so and so many sales now

And that was after epic announced their new cut system

[severe phoenix]

They made it more public because PR, aye

[ashen spindle]

No it was not a thing before

[severe phoenix]

But Indie devs were always having a lesser cut

Fine fine

[mild dome]

Did Epic even offer a cheaper price for the games they sold? I mean if they cut 20% of the total price in fees then surely it was cheaper?

[umbral heron]

[astral haven]

wait what
you take 70, google took 30, tho it should now be 15

[umbral heron]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/94439/google-play-store-operates-at-70-profit-margin-epic-court-case-reveals/index.html

[ashen spindle]

That is up to the dev/publisher but yes some games are sold for cheaper there

[astral haven]

out of the 30% that google receives, 70% of it is pure profit lel

or is it 15% now

[cursive summit]

Yay Sam Altman is back to OpenAI as CEO

And Ilya Sutskever seems to be out

[astral haven]

also fyi this is epic numbers

[umbral heron]

I dunno
Anyway, Epic brainwashed masses for 12/88 cut
But there were no cheaper prices for customers whatsoever

[ashen spindle]

The world war z zombie game was the first one iirc that lowered their price on epic due to that lower cut

[astral haven]

i mean i feel better when the dev gets more of the money rather than the downloader platform

[umbral heron]

And I don't care, apart from indie games

There were singular games which lowered their price
Apart from that prices on Steam = prices on Epic

But several AAA studios loved Epic for lower cut, and mostly ditched Steam for that, like Ubisoft

[astral haven]

and often steam is cheaper if you wait a bit for sales

[mild dome]

The reasoning that 30 vs 12% cut being that more money went to developers bothered me because the big boys would still charge AAA price. Like why should I care multibillion dollar company made more money for its shareholders because the fees were lower

[umbral heron]

Steam client is still 32-bit x86

[ashen spindle]

Ubisoft didn’t ditch steam for it, Ubisoft and EA ditched steam for their own launchers and only went to epic or steam after the cuts got lowered

[umbral heron]

To publishers* Developers earn salaries, maybe some bonuses if game is successful is all

[mild dome]

They moved back because they realised steam and epic provided an advertising platform as well

[ashen spindle]

No

[umbral heron]

Nah, AC: Mirage is still unavailable on Steam
On Amazon Luna though...

EA has reconciled with Steam, but on their own terms, EA Play and that kind of stuff

[old marlin]

wait luna is still a thing

[astral haven]

wtf is this????

[ashen spindle]

Yeah a while after the cut got lowered on steam or origin would still be the only way for ea games

[umbral heron]

Still, Epic has sworn to itself to fight "PC games market monopoly"
By... paying off game devs and publishers to offer timed exclusive games

[old marlin]

"publishers will decide where people will buy games"

[mild dome]

I am surprised steam hasn't got an apple silicon version yet, maybe apple's stalling them to keep an app store monopoly?

Then again Valve lost a big court case in Australia because they didn't have anyone checking their emails for a court summons netting our consumer protection agency a win by default

[old marlin]

[old marlin]

maybe apple is just a very small market for steam

especially when games have to run through rosetta

[frozen ingot]

yep fighting monopoly by paying for forced monopoly

gg epic

[ashen spindle]

July 18 for the epic blogpost and December 18 is the steamworks blogpost

[old marlin]

best part is that they lost money on it

ah

well

does it matter really?

[umbral heron]

Steam is moving towards x64 and ARM, but very slowly
Steam client is still x86-based, only several components, like overlay, are true x64 components, and when they'll work on porting that to ARM...

[frozen ingot]

they lose money on everything they try

[ashen spindle]

Apple is also giving middle finger to valve so they aren’t really incentivized to make that port

[umbral heron]

And Valve is giving middle finger back, like pulling macOS support from CS2, delaying new UI update for macOS, and ditching macOS Wine branch when it comes to Proton

[astral haven]

and valve is working on updating their store
on the steam deck

[mild dome]

Valve's greatest sin is sloth
Just lazy
Vetter then greed though, something Epic would be quite guilty of were they to be in control of the pc gaming market

[astral haven]

i dont think its laziness

[mild dome]

They missed a major court case in Oz because no one checked the emails

[old marlin]

aka the entirety of valve is lazy

obv

[astral haven]

did they care?

[mild dome]

Yes

[ashen spindle]

Macos on wine got dropped because apple actively worked against it only to then use it as their own product in the game porting kit

[mild dome]

It lead to Valve being forced to implement a solid refund policy

[hardy idol]

the metal thing or whatever they called it?

[umbral heron]

Ah yes, that too
But it happened after Volvo ditched macOS wine in Proton, no?

[old marlin]

yes

metal uses proton

[hardy idol]

lol

[old marlin]

(and afaik is violating the license of proton)

[hardy idol]

bruh

[ashen spindle]

Dropping support on cs2 is the same as rocket league, it was just such a small player base and using newer D3D meant it’s more work to get it running on apple than before

[hardy idol]

Yeah but idk in case of epic against seemingly the world

[astral haven]

gonna need some sauce

i also do not think valve actually cared

all the news articles i can find say they were fined 3 million

[ashen spindle]

Yeah it was after but they acted liked it’s they own when half of it was some slightly changed open source version of it modified as they needed to present it as they own solution

But again they ditched it on proton after apple actively worked against supporting it

[astral haven]

which is what a few hours setback?

[hardy idol]

apple "innovation" moment

it's the users who lose tbh

fucking annoying to have 300 fucking launchers

[ashen spindle]

If apple wasn’t so hard to work with I’m sure steam would have a port by now easily

[severe phoenix]

I mean even Blizzard ditched MacOS and they used to really push for all their games to be on Mac

[umbral heron]

GOG Galaxy came with solution
Only to end up working worse than if you'd run all launchers on your PC at once

[hardy idol]

why do all launchers think they have the right to start on startup and to tick the boxes for data collection by default

[severe phoenix]

That's every program

Not launchers

[old marlin]

luckily it is easier than ever to remove stuff from startup

[hardy idol]

Yeah but still

data collection boxes

[umbral heron]

Steam on the surface, sure, it's a web browser
But also a collection of drivers and software sitting deep in OS, so stuff like Steam Input works

[hardy idol]

I don't know what application I discovered yesterday that had a data collection box

but it was something that didn't need it

[astral haven]

that is a question for a doctor or nurse, not random chatrooms on the internet

ah well you have answered your own question

[umbral heron]

Drink lots of water

gn

[frozen ingot]

eat salt stuff while you're at it

[mild dome]

Well I am here to admit
Found nottin, suppose I just got lied to by an internet guy.

However valve did care a lot about the court case
https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/full-federal-court-confirms-that-valve-misled-gamers#:~:text=The ACCC commenced legal action,pay penalties totalling %243 million.

[astral haven]

again dont think valve cares about it much

[hardy idol]

I don't really think gamers care that much either

the convenience far outweighs the benefits steam gives

[astral haven]

yup

i like my free and vastly reduced price games

[hardy idol]

Having a universal game launching platform is very nice and epic can go fuck themselves

I literally don't like epic since I ever heard of it

[hidden quest]

epic is good

[mild dome]

changed entire stance on refunds after results of court case
"TheY DOnT Care!!!!"

[hidden quest]

how dare u

[umbral heron]

I will always be favouring Valve and Steam
If not for them I wouldn't dream of ever gaming on Linux
Now they did so good job I could ditch Windows completely

[astral haven]

they were like
eh whats our quickest solution?
eh just give them the refunds we will still be wildly profitable

[hardy idol]

nah

[hidden quest]

tbh , epic games downside is just need to relogin , other than that my experience with it is good

[hardy idol]

they're really doing quite well

[hidden quest]

plan to support it

[hardy idol]

I wish you a very having your data sold even more than on steam (idk if they sell user data tbh)

epic for sure does

[hidden quest]

this one doesnt gets me , since i dont have my important data in my laptop , so somehow didnt gets me (i am serious)

[mild dome]

1. Then why didn't they change their stance before the court case when gamers pushed back? Only doing so after losing at the high court?
2. Why did they bother appealing?

Like of they didn't care the refund policy would've been in place years ahead

[meager sorrel]

i bet this has been asked many times before, but im wondering what the difference between digital and analog profile are ( are there any ?, and is there a definitive better version ? )

[hardy idol]

that's what they all say until it happens

[reef patrol]

Analog - Can bind controller keys to it.
Digital - Cannot.

[hidden quest]

wdym , is not as same as ur stuff got hacked ?

[meager sorrel]

okay huge ty <3 , so this shouldnt affect gameplay in any way :3

[hardy idol]

it's similar but this time it keeps working so they can collect even more data as you go

[reef patrol]

Not unless you specifically change it to do so no.

[hidden quest]

oh , if is like this is ok , i got hacked before so , i will think as long as they dont hack my pc i will be fine (for me)

[astral haven]

so mad
i define care as investing significant time or what would be a meaningful amount of money to you
valve contracts lawyers, so its not investing time, and their massive dragon hoard wasnt meaningfully impacted either way
they didnt change anything before because they cba
and they just implemented the quickest easiest method of getting the authorities out of their hair

[hidden quest]

recently steam also gets me , also as annoying as epeic games tbh

i got 1 steam accounts on 2 laptop

one always log out

makes me dont like steam as much as old version

[reef patrol]

For one because Steam fucking keeps logging out of my browser 😄

[hidden quest]

used it

[reef patrol]

And their app takes forever to load up.

[hidden quest]

but is annoying

[umbral heron]

Steam Guard nowadays is a must
Especially with how hackers are familiar with how Steam's subsystems work

[hidden quest]

and recent upate can make ur steam stuck at logging in forever

one of the reason steam is not as good as b4

have to force close

but i do think , i canr complain about this, since i have to use this

[mild dome]

"LOL you mad bro
They didn't care about Australia's laws except they paid for lawyers and when they lost quickly changed their policies!"

I feel you are trying to move the goalposts by redefining the meaning of "care".

[astral haven]

valve hiring the lawyers is like me spending $10
once

[hidden quest]

real?

[raw zephyr]

it's instant on my phone, even has faceid to unlock and scan qr to login into your account

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah
If Valve is short on something, it sure as hell it's not money

[hidden quest]

phone and pc is diff ?

[astral haven]

if my city was saying, spend $200, or spend $10 and $100, id do the second one
that doesnt mean i care about the situation

[mild dome]

Valve made a huge announcement
"No refunds, ever"

Australia sued them over that policy and Valve changed it

Maybe you could argue they didn't care much, but quite clearly cared in some capacity to make the announcement, fight the lawsuit TWICE, and then change the policy to avoid increasing fines

[astral haven]

your definition of care is alot more broad than mine

i dont care if i lose a penny

[hidden quest]

i see

[astral haven]

$10 would be irritating to me, but i still would just pay it and move on

[hidden quest]

a person who didnt gave a fuk about their own spending

[umbral heron]

And they're so open with other devs using Steam Marketplace too!
Not because they earn 5% off of every single transaction or something

[mild dome]

But they didn't just pay it and move on

They battled the ACCC abd appealed to Australia's high court

[astral haven]

who is they

[umbral heron]

Their lawyers

[astral haven]

and how does valve hire lawyers?

[mild dome]

Valve and their lawyers

[astral haven]

[citation needed]
everything i can see only shows the lawyers showed up

[mild dome]

With money
So not only they getting that 3mil fine but they hiring some cracked layers that probably charge out the ass

[umbral heron]

And I'm pretty sure their lawyers have an untapped access to Valve's legal funds, so of course they will be effective

[astral haven]

so imagine the lawyers charge another 3 mil

in the time we have taken having this argument, valve has made more than that (estimated)

[mild dome]

What, valve only cares if Gabe hinself shows up?

[astral haven]

time invested by valve employees

now if you include their contractors as valve themselves?

i dont

and thats a really dumb definition imo

[mild dome]

Of course they send only the bare minimum in, the lawyers know what they are doing in a court of law, game devs do not

[astral haven]

but you can have that opinion

[umbral heron]

Given they've earned $13bn in 2022, that is somewhere in the ballpark of $400/second

2 hours to earn $3mil

[astral haven]

and thats 24/7

the employees have more normal hours

[hardy idol]

holy fuck

[mild dome]

They represented valve in a court case against Valve, they acted on behalf of valve at ever turn, under valve's orders, and no doubt told Valve they would lose, but Valve demanded they persue anyway in the off chance they won.

No they didn't send Gave Newell himself in, but Valve was in the court room as every other company is in a court room: being represented by a lawyer.

You are now trying to redefine the entire fucking court system just to win your original argument.

If we follow your argument almost no company ever cares for a court case, even during ones that destroy their entire company and the lives of all the shareholders

[astral haven]

???

[umbral heron]

Rookie numbers, if we account that Apple earned $394bn in 2022 they were making $12500 per second

[astral haven]

valve spent 3 minutes of emails and and a few minutes of profit to try to save a few hours of profit

[astral haven]

apple has 160k employees
valve has under 300

[umbral heron]

It's more about how obscene amounts of money corporations make nowadays

[astral haven]

imo its fine for a company to make alot of revenue if alot of it is just paying people to do things

[mild dome]

The reason valve cares about losing this court case isn't because 3 million is a lot. It's because it sets a precedent that every court case afterwards is going to use to hammer harder and harder at valve's wallet if they didn't change their policy. Not only in Aus but other countries might factor these decisions in and decide to take Valve on.

Valve wanted to win as losing meant their policy would cost them a lot

[astral haven]

again you havent cited any sources here

it looks to me like valve spent 3 minutes emailing, and 2 hours of profit approximately on this scenario

and thats 2 day hours not 2 work hours

[mild dome]

What am I meant to be citing? Gabe Newell's tears?

I cited the one document you needed, the one where they fought the ruling, lost and appealed it only to lose again. After that their refund policy changed

[astral haven]

and my claim is that valve hired lawyers to do that as they always did

its not like apple where they have lawyers on staff in every country

[mild dome]

Your claim was that Valve didn't care

Not hiring permanent expert lawyers in Oz doesn't mean they didn't care about the court case.

[astral haven]

if liam wasnt there, valve didnt care

[mild dome]

Who's liam?

[astral haven]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/liamlavery

the 1 lawyer at valve

[mild dome]

A US lawyer?
As in someone not versed in Australian law at all?

That's like saying because LG didn't send their best blender technician to develop their next air conditioner they didn't care about air conditioners

Like bro
If you're Gabe and you gotta decide between training your local lawyer for years for a court case that's already in progress, vs hiring a team already well versed in the local laws for legal counsel and representation on said laws. You're gonna go with the second option

[astral haven]

if lg were a company that was dealing entirely in blenders previously, the head of blender development would oversee the development of any new products even if they didnt have any expertise

[mild dome]

No matter how much you care

Hell, if they didn't care they would have sent Liam to make an ass of himself in court.

[astral haven]

that would have taken more than 3 minutes

[mild dome]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-how-this-works-thats-not-how-any-of-this-works-esurance-beatrice-advert-gif-18582768

[astral haven]

of valve employee time

[astral haven]

just because you dont understand how it works doesnt mean the rest of us dont

[mild dome]

I understand how it works and that's why I know you clearly don't

[astral haven]

i work in a place that is staff limited and you have to make choices

[mild dome]

Is LG/valve staff limited? They hired on experts in the field they didn't understand

[astral haven]

now is valve being staff limited a choice that is good? no real way to debate that
but thats what they chose

[astral haven]

hired is not contracted

hiring is a 6 month process with approvals and paperwork
contracting is 2 emails, sometimes 3

[mild dome]

"Hire a contractor" is a very common term, you are arguing around semantics

[astral haven]

you said hire on

[mild dome]

you are arguing around semantics

[astral haven]

hire on implies they join the company

[astral haven]

i mean you are leaving me nothing to work with
you have provided zero evidence, so all i have to go on is your words

[mild dome]

Trying to pull apart the individual definitions of the words I used instead of what I clearly meant. They hired a contractor
You are being quite dishonest

[astral haven]

speak for yourself

[mild dome]

That's not an excuse.
I gave you my reasons for why they care, which is that they put all this effort in when they could have just rolled over immediatly on the issue and saved the money on a lost cause
You're argument is that "It doesn't really count because Gabe himself wasn't crying in court when the sentence came down"

[astral haven]

if that were my argument, you still didnt address it

fyi

and you know full well it isnt my argument

[astral haven]

again seems like you are projecting here...

[mild dome]

You said "If Valve cared they would send Liam"
I told you frankly: Liam is not an expert on Australian law, it would be a horrible idea to send him. Therefore they hired contractors to fight a battle they know they should've lost

[astral haven]

and i have now asked 3 times for proof of valve investing effort

[mild dome]

What the fuck does effort mean to you?
They hired some lawyers to fight it, lost, appealed, and lost again to the Highest court in Australia, and then changed their policy and paid the fine. Like what else are they supposed to do?

At what point does the "effort" show they did or did not care?
Wouldn't the fact they changed a company wide policy on the matter show they cared even a little bit?

[astral haven]

you first started out saying they sent lawyers
when i searched for lawyers on their staff and found only a us attourney, you said well no they just hired experts
and now you have finally backed down to contractors
and i say spending 1 minute drafting emails to legal firms and 2 minutes drafting emails to their contracted support teams isnt "caring"

[cursive summit]

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-announces-financial-results-for-third-quarter-fiscal-2024

Don't see this posted yet

[umbral heron]

$18bn revenue in Q3 alone

[ashen spindle]

stock down in after hours because investors expected even more

totally not a bubble...

[astral haven]

hopefully the ai bubble wont be as drastic as the dot com or housing ones

[hardy idol]

+206% from last year

fucking thrice what they did last year

What the fuck

[ashen spindle]

I give it 4 quarters before the last chatgpt wrapper startup is insolvent

[umbral heron]

34% up from Q2 and 206% up from 22Q3, and they expected MORE?!

[mild dome]

See, this is what I meant by dishonesty.
Because when people usually say "They sent their lawyers" We don't mean people have lawyers on 24/7, we mean lawyers working for them whether its permanent or temporary.
I specified "experts on Australia" law because their permanent US lawyer wouldn't be an expert on Australia law, and to be one they would have to train him for a couple years. Which would be kind of hard to do because the court case was already proceeding and they needed someone now for a single court case. No matter how much or little you cared about something you would likely go to an expert lawyer of Australia to know here you stand on a Australian law.
I have no idea what you mean by "backed down" they contractors are legal expert lawyers, that doesn't make them less then permanently employed lawyers, and it doesn't mean they don't represent Valve.

You keep coming back to the cost in minutes, but I pointed out the real cost isn't the first fine, but the potential for every single fine they were going to be hit by afterwards if they didn't change their pace. Not to mention a possibility of losing their license to operate a business in Australia.

[astral haven]

you got anything more than speculation?

i say the numbers speak for themselves

[mild dome]

Like it just feels instead of arguing my points you decided to attack the definitions of the words I used to try and find cracks in my vocabulary, and not my arguments

[astral haven]

again speak for yourself

[mild dome]

How so?

[median stag]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

sorry ❤️

[mild dome]

I love you don't worry

[astral haven]

whats this?

[median stag]

1. Permanent Staff
2. Temporary Staff
3. Contractors

Half-Life 3 Confirmed

[mild dome]

Me pointing out you were asking for unnecessary specifics

[astral haven]

and was I?

[umbral heron]

Meanwhile we got Half-Life 1 multiplayer balance patch

[cursive summit]

Who tf plays Half Life 1 multiplayer

Nobody

HL1 multiplayer looks like a make a wish unreal tournament or quake

[astral haven]

again the whole argument seems to be you missing this key aspect

[mild dome]

I referred to Valve as "They" as in a team
You asked my to identify who "They meant"
I said Valve and their lawyers
You said: Well valve themselves didn't turn up (hinting that this meant Valve didn't care about the court case)
I responded with a sarcastic quip: "What, valve only cares if Gabe himself shows up?"

[astral haven]

but again valve didnt show up

[solemn remnant]

??

[mild dome]

I mean maybe you don't, but you don't have a billion dollar company like Gabe?

[astral haven]

zero people from valve

[solemn remnant]

why are you even typing

[astral haven]

i found the one person from valve who might have been involved, and couldnt find evidence of them showing up

[mild dome]

So how many people do they need to bring before they "care"?

[mild dome]

Because he wasn't an expert on Australian law

[astral haven]

lets set the bar low

an hour of employee time

so far evidence suggests 3 minutes

[mild dome]

What evidence?

Changing their entire policy on refunds would have taken a lot more then 3 minutes

Hell, that might've required a whole team meeting with their customer service managers and the Australian lawyers

[astral haven]

ah yes all 4 people

[mild dome]

Even a 15 minute meeting in that case adds up to an hour
But if you meant an hour of a single employee time then I gotta point out team meetings always drag on. Especially when you are trying to teach something.

[astral haven]

while that is true, valve operates on emails

[mild dome]

That still would have required a bit of reading
Quite a bit of reading

Like an hour might be too low of bar to set here, especially because the Oz government legally mandated Valce implement the training

Just saying, a single hour equating to they care means I won the argument before it even started

[astral haven]

so you claim

but the number of valve people involved is so far likely 4

and none of them needed to take any actions besides forwarding emails

[mild dome]

How many are employed at customer service in Valve?

[astral haven]

now if you have evidence of them doing more?
provide

[astral haven]

3

the one person maintaining tf2 isnt even an employee

neither is the team working on the current half life celebration

[mild dome]

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/valve-to-pay-3-million-in-penalties-for-misrepresenting-gamers-consumer-guarantee-rights

The Court has also ordered Valve to:

publish information on Australian consumer rights on their website for 12 months,
implement a consumer compliance program for their system and staff, and
not make any similar representations to Australian consumers for three years.

[umbral heron]

Not surprising, it's quite hard to give employment to a potted plant after all

[mild dome]

I know Valve's customer service is shit, but surely they hire more then 3? Do they hire outside contractors to deal with it?

[astral haven]

obviously

[mild dome]

I mean having to train the outside contractors in multiple countries on their new policy would take more then an hour. Even if it was "Just an email" writing out such an email would take a good while and then you gotta answer a lot of questions that might come back

[astral haven]

question is what did valve do
part 1 is ez pz, forward that to one of their contracted web devs, that cant take more than a minute or two
2 seems like it would have got forwarded to their contract agencies, and if valve themselves did something, there should be evidence of that somewhere
and 3 also seems like something that the agencies themselves would have to handle

whenever valve does something, theres usually evidence
as we all know how leakproof valve is

i still cant believe that this internal tech demo was just left open and they left it and anyone can just add it to their library

brings us back to the main point
is disinterest laziness?
valve is like many children
you make them do something and they do it, otherwise they just do whatever they have fun with
and the company structure encouriaging that definetly doesnt help

[rough osprey]

sam Back at openai again 🤔

these kids having fun

[cursive summit]

Who knows what's happening there

The company tried to ruin itself lol

Either it'll be way worse after this

Or way better

I am betting on worse

[severe phoenix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ9iJ5V1FU8

[broken smelt]

pretty sure noctua is a beast

[cursive summit]

Beast not best

Noctua is probably what I would describe "universally good"

Not that there aren't better options

Also Noctua's colour scheme is just really ew

[steep creek]

i dont mind their color, but then again my computer is under my desk and mostly in a black box

[raw zephyr]

i just buy arctic p12 max, they are rather cheap and perform well

[boreal kiln]

should also check out the t30 https://www.phanteks.com/PH-F120T30.html

[cursive summit]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/TheRandomest/comments/180som8/psa_for_ps5_owners/

Huh

I have not heard of this being an issue for liquid metal cooled PCs

Are they like not properly mounting the heatsink?

Or is there not enough liquid metal in there?

Woo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zggNjikFRMQ

TLDR:
Best overall CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Most Balanced CPU: Intel i5 14600K/13600K
Best Gaming CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Best Upgrade Value CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Most efficient CPU: AMD Threadripper 7980X. Runner Up: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Best Budget CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X/AMD Ryzen 5 7600/Intel i5-12600K
Best High-End CPU: AMD Threadripper 7970X
Best CPU under $100: Intel i3-12100F
Biggest Disappointment: Intel 14th gen

[old marlin]

https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-makes-unexpected-gpu-fusion-rtx-4090-as-egpu-through-rtx-4060-tis-m-2-slot

finally

[reef patrol]

What in the fresh hell

[umbral heron]

What is that unholy concoction

[reef patrol]

Oh thank god. Just a meme, not a serious product.

[hardy idol]

wtf

wtf

i had surely expected it to break ngl

[cursive summit]

Bend it

Nothing wrong can happen, surely

Aaand the saga comes to a close

It was fun for the last week to see the little corporate bullshittery, but eh all things end

[boreal kiln]

did it get sent like that or in a box?

[crimson wigeon]

The one with RGB cuz RGB

[umbral heron]

You'll be running them at 10000 MHz or what, so that you need cooling for them?

Relevant answer? It's a memory stick, not a CPU or GPU
Cooling doesn't matter that much

[hardy idol]

box

[umbral heron]

Just pick one you like how it looks better

[solemn remnant]

who cares what ram looks like? they're inside a case ffs

[reef patrol]

It's RAM... it doesn't need cooling (the answer is the one without RGB because LEDs create heat)

In other news. Hooray for new (forced) windows update. explorer crashes if I riught click the taskbar now.

(yes)

[old marlin]

DDR5 actually can get quite toasty

[reef patrol]

Lies and slander from bigfanma

[rough osprey]

😳

[umbral heron]

Quite toasty aka 60C if you're pushing them, 70C if you've OC'd them and pushing them hard

Meanwhile, according to JEDEC spec modules can work on up to 95C

But realistically they'll cruise around 40~50C max

[ashen spindle]

Yeah and any airflow case will move air over them so it’s even less

Sure b die was known for issue when ocd and all but that’s where you just put a cooler on it anyway

[analog sinew]

ram is so silly looking

[old marlin]

altho modern dominators are prob similarly funny

[umbral heron]

Where are those sexy, beautiful, naked PCBs?

[old marlin]

in servers

[umbral heron]

expensive

[boreal kiln]

i think i have some of those still

[odd sleet]

Where can i find a accurate fps caculator for the cpu i want with gpu for games

Are they all mostly inaccurate

[analog sinew]

find a benchmark video with that combo

[odd sleet]

I have watched some but they are like deathmatches and deathmatch is different fps then a real game like competitive or wingman

[umbral heron]

Won't deathmatches be actually more challenging on PC, given there's happening a lot more on the screen than in comp?

[hardy idol]

asus used to do a lot of 3d printable accessories in the Z170 time

[ashen spindle]

Manufacturers would never send useless crap to have better marketing to justify higher priced

[rough osprey]

razer stickers make up 30% of the products price

[hardy idol]

Will be better than the stock pads on glass right

[boreal kiln]

these are quite nice on glass https://shop.x-raypad.com/shop/obsidian-diy-mouse-skates-universal-0-8mm-ptfe-dots/

[hardy idol]

yeah but like

these are the stock ones

and

the extra ones in the box

i guess ill just swap em over i dont think it could hurt

[odd sleet]

I guess in cs2 yeah but i dont really play deathmatch just want to see how it plays in regular games in deathmatch it averages like 600-800 fps in cs2 which is insane though

[boreal kiln]

on glass smaller skates tend to be better over a larger skate

[pale sigil]

Welp, i finally oppened my m711 and now i get why people like light gaming mice.

[crisp granite]

Good boy headpats

[hardy idol]

ill see

these seem to be higher

[crisp granite]

so when will you get an M2S

[pale sigil]

Never

im happy with my g702

[teal garnet]

Skypad just made some dot skates that are better than those obsidians

[crisp granite]

It’s only like 650€

[hardy idol]

mhm rn this is very smooth

or like

its goods

i think yeah, it can be even better

but main reason for glass mousepad honestly was being able to keep it clean better

[pale sigil]

Im only using it because I can't find the wireless receiver for my spare 702

[hardy idol]

chat

do we apply the grip tape

[pale sigil]

And yes I need a new mouse mat, well, the one I robbed at wootup is making its way here.

[crisp granite]

I just got a new mousepad

[boreal kiln]

only if you need grip tape

[crisp granite]

Realized my tiny desk doesn’t fit it

getting a new desk now

[hardy idol]

Whens that

[neon ermine]

never!!

it looks so bad man

[hardy idol]

I already know I'll widen my desk soon

[crisp granite]

It helps if you have a grip that slips when you sweat profusely like the gamer pig you are

[hardy idol]

it is massive though

But the benefit is that I don't have a table edge and then the mousepad edge

[boreal kiln]

its pesonal preference on if you require the grip or not

[hardy idol]

Desk will become like 800 wider so soon it'll look less huge

[hardy idol]

I mean I don't think I do

[rough osprey]

das a interesting looking setup hhaha

[boreal kiln]

maccas gloves ?

[hardy idol]

yeah for touching model cars and glass lmfao

[boreal kiln]

[frozen ingot]

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20231117IPR12211/new-eu-rules-encouraging-consumers-to-repair-devices-over-replacing-them

[unborn belfry]

how can you guys game on a ultrawide monitor

it seems delusional to me

dont you have blackbars left and right?

[hardy idol]

yknow shit is up when

[reef patrol]

Why would I? Most games support ultra wide

[unborn belfry]

yeah sure thats not whats my thoughts

but mostly you play with blackbars right

[reef patrol]

No?

[unborn belfry]

damn and if you for example wanna sort your inventory in fortnite?

you need to look so far right

[reef patrol]

Oh dear. Having to move my head a little.

The horror

[unborn belfry]

ofc its something to get used to but I respect that if u can actually play on them

[rough osprey]

are u okay

[cold gate]

i am jelly 😦

[ashen spindle]

Most games support UW and that means either UI is in a place where you don’t need to look to the entire corner or you can move the UI

Also if you fully need to move your head you might sit a bit too close

[umbral heron]

[neon ermine]

how is that even possible...

[umbral heron]

You don't know what's possible with polish ISPs

[neon ermine]

and i thought that xfinity was bad 😭

a game above 5 gigs must take months

[umbral heron]

Usually it hovers around 950Mbps download
Only today it decided to kill itself

I guess something broke on their side, but still

[neon ermine]

the whole day?

[umbral heron]

2 hours or so, since when I came back from work

[odd sleet]

Damn dats worst then my spectrum back then

I get like 920-990 download and upload

[rough osprey]

battle non sense video 😳😳😳

[vagrant pagoda]

Sure they aren't throttling Netflix?

With the upload that high that looks like a intentional slow down for Netflix

[umbral heron]

Nah, it's on every speedtest I've tried
If it was only Netflix I wouldn't even notice

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6aUs9rslDI

[hardy idol]

hmm what do we do

[ashen spindle]

you keep it stock

[hardy idol]

stock is boring

watch me

[ashen spindle]

yes but stock is also not killing things

[wheat plume]

Is this a new Pixel Gesture or a feature of my custom ROM??

[empty wren]

How come intel has slower ddr5 at the top?

[pale sigil]

sec

[wheat plume]

Stock?

[pale sigil]

ye

[empty wren]

What is wrong with 12gen?

[umbral heron]

You know the fan here is set in such orientation so it'll blow towards card and not RAM, right?

[cursive summit]

🤢

[rough osprey]

are u okay narisa

[boreal kiln]

[umbral heron]

Puke beige and poo brown, classic Noctua

[boreal kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/noctua-fan-noctuafan-gif-24134135

[final flame]

Be paint job looks good from the photo despite being the cans

[boreal kiln]

https://noctua.at/fr/drop-mito-mt3-noctua-keycap-set

[final flame]

Smh should be using a thin noctua fan as a coaster

[old marlin]

fans make for bad coasters

[umbral heron]

not really, but you have to turn them off before

[smoky frigate]

can't put Bond's martini on them

[boreal kiln]

[pale sigil]

go back

i had to add the emote xD

Btw, is VNC just shit? I can stream a game via 1440p perfectly smoth but my desktop feels rough delayed.

[umbral heron]

Highly depends both on server and on client

[halcyon moss]

Vnc is slow yes

Always has been

[umbral heron]

But most of the time VNC is a fallback solution when everything else fails

[halcyon moss]

I'm surprised you can game with it

[frozen wagon]

is the wooting 60he good for programming or should i take a other one?

[reef patrol]

You can program on a rubber dome keyboard.

[gusty kiln]

wooting software support is pretty great though

wootmation is probably easier to set up compare to other keyboard with software

[wheat plume]

🤔 those are some oddly uneven bezels

https://youtu.be/cn5DsF9FXls

[rough osprey]

false advertising 🤔

[reef patrol]

Polling is useless without scanning to match anyway

[rough osprey]

its for mice

[reef patrol]

Yes.

Asking for the same value eight times in a row when it can't change is a waste.

[rough osprey]

they seem to be able to do that

atleast for clicks

[old marlin]

it absolutely can change though

most likely will in use even

also what about it is false advertising?

it still does 4000hz

even though they also over 8000 on it now

atm that is the sad reality for basically any mouse

can't even buy it

[boreal kiln]

if i remember correctly the dav3 wired can change polling rates without software

[gusty kiln]

Pulsar ES, but shit QC

[boreal kiln]

only between 1k and 8k tho

they wont

[gusty kiln]

Vaxee getting 4k as well soon

[old marlin]

I hope vaxee won't go with compx for 4k

[boreal kiln]

and thats the reason why they wont

[gusty kiln]

GPX2 with OMM is not too bad either

[old marlin]

didn't you need ghub for the switch setting

[gusty kiln]

I've seen people use OMM to change settings for GPX 2

[old marlin]

yea you can adjust most

except switch mode

iirc

idk gpx shape is horrible to me

[gusty kiln]

ah yeah

I've tried it in stores, it's comfortable enough for me

I basically want a viper with more mid hump

[umbral heron]

🥳

[rough osprey]

yoo apple tv remote got usbc

didnt even know

[umbral heron]

Lots of good things happened during my nap

[rough osprey]

life is just better when you're not awake

[umbral heron]

Time for the another dose of misery then

[rough osprey]

😔

[rough osprey]

ye im kidding

kinda expected updated packaging

[old marlin]

ah

[rough osprey]

seems like the apple tv remote cant switch tv inputs :/

[wheat plume]

help?

[umbral heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ff2ZrhVkp0

[ashen spindle]

https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/73133 ah first commits for the new gfx ip so the release in 6-8 months seems to fit

[cursive summit]

These are always funni

Microsoft getting the tools to control the future of humanity though isn't something good

[smoky frigate]

awesome

[reef patrol]

Something something repost

[crisp granite]

me when the bulge 😳

but yes, that is a major defect and RMA aughta happen

[empty wren]

Odd they could not just go with textured plastic

Lol

[reef patrol]

#🎮│game message

[pale sigil]

nah, i use moonlight for games

[cursive summit]

How's the latency

Input lag basically

[pale sigil]

super low

i dont notice it

[crisp granite]

rather solid within the home

in my experience, not so good 10km away

[cursive summit]

Good, I finally have a geforce product so I can actually stream w/ moonlight lol

[pale sigil]

its been pretty great when im away

[cursive summit]

Radeon afaik is unsupported

[pale sigil]

it is supported

[cursive summit]

How

Moonlight uses nvidia tech

[pale sigil]

you could use sunshine

[cursive summit]

I have a laptop with RTX 4060 now so I will try to hook it up to my 55" CX

CX has a native moonlight app (when homebrewed)

[pale sigil]

moonlight is on A LOT of devices now

[cursive summit]

Pretty amazing

How does the whole thing with online streaming work?

Seems really damn insecure to connect to IP address and have full access to a PC

https://www.androidpolice.com/never-been-better-time-switch-firefox-browser/

[pale sigil]

just need to port forward

it uses auth to do it

[cursive summit]

Cool, Firefox got another cool update

[umbral heron]

owo
time to update

[cursive summit]

I can now disable another one of my addons lel

[pale sigil]

this has been native to brave for some time

im surprised it was not on ff

[cursive summit]

Ok but Brave runs on chromium therefore it's automatically shit

There's addons for everything

[umbral heron]

Welcome to the world of open-source

[cursive summit]

I'd trust them more than you

Mozilla manually verifies addon code anyways

So it's not like it's unsafe

[umbral heron]

[cursive summit]

Oh it's already out?

Why does my right click context menu look so much different than yours

[umbral heron]

Probably because Linux

[cursive summit]

Ah, brainrot

[umbral heron]

Also Send Link to Device is because I have connected both PC and phone to Firefox account

[cursive summit]

That feature is actually really useful

I just can't be bothered to remember my firefox account password

[umbral heron]

I just log in with Google

[cursive summit]

oof

That's.. ironic

[umbral heron]

So does FF

[pale sigil]

I just create my own sync lik

*link

[umbral heron]

It looks like it, yeah

Arc is the worst of few worlds

• Based on Chromium
• Absolutely proprietary
• And with wonky codebase - devs prefer to port the ENTIRE SWIFT library suite to Windows, instead of use universal APIs or Windows native ones

Still, I'd gladly try to try it out
But for some weird reason devs wouldn't support Linux
Despite the fact that Apple themselves already ported Swift corelibs onto Linux
Here https://github.com/apple/swift-corelibs-foundation

[wheat plume]

Isnt Tony the one who swears by Arc? Wont use anything else

aha!

politics, what?

[umbral heron]

Me

Credit where credit is due, Google's changes to Youtube and ad-blocking hasn't affected me at all

[reef patrol]

Not in full effect yet.

[umbral heron]

That's why I said I'd like to try it out

If Google wasn't tinkering around Manifest V3 and subsequent incoming breakage of adblocks I'd most likely use Chromium alongside FF to be honest...

[cursive summit]

We'll find a way to bypass V3 somehow

[umbral heron]

Yeah, by using Firefox

[cursive summit]

Yep, pretty sure Firefox said publicly that they will implement bypasses

Anything with Chromium

So... all of them

Except for firefox and a few paid ones

[reef patrol]

From what I understand it's still gimped by V3

[cursive summit]

Well we should stop calling it V3

V3 is dead

[umbral heron]

Firefox will implement V3, but won't remove V2's methods, like WebRequest
Which Chromium ditches
And what will gimp uBlock Lite

[cursive summit]

They are calling it a new name now

[umbral heron]

umatrix isn't updated since 2021
It has been absorbed by uBlock

[little valley]

ayo can somone here recommend me a 10G nic for my PC?

[umbral heron]

We will move back to IRCs again

Neither did I, but majority did...

[cursive summit]

I never touched IRC

What's it all about?

A bit of a before my time thing

Anyways isn't the spiritual successor of IRC technically just Tor lol

[umbral heron]

If you want something cheap that will do the job then TP-Link TX401, widealy available and is okayish
If you're looking for SFP+ stuff... that's a bit more complicated, again Asus' XG-C100F is okayish
Just remember you need CAT6A/CAT7 cables or fiber for SFP+ to fully utilize 10G

[little valley]

i honestly have no clue bout this whole SFP+ etc stuff

but i can say that i dont really wanna buy anything from TP-Link

got Cat7 rn

[cursive summit]

Buy Teltonika

[umbral heron]

Asus XG-C100C is 8P8C/RJ45 if you want, also pretty popular
Other than that something from Intel, Synology, Supermicro, Dell etc. will do

[cursive summit]

Nobody appreciates Teltonika

[little valley]

never heard from and when i searched that name 10G nic i got 10g switches xD

[cursive summit]

What's the difference

[little valley]

i already go a 10G switch xD

but my PC MoBo interface is just able to handle 2.5G

like its a pci card for networking

[cursive summit]

Ahh a NIC is just a fancy way to call a PCIe network card

Was wondering wtf is a nic

Yeah teltonika prolly don't make those

[umbral heron]

Network Interface Card

[cursive summit]

nerd

It's an internet adapter

[little valley]

[umbral heron]

The only sad thing about 10G is that it gets pretty expensive pretty quick
Though I love TP-Link
Because it's so easy to flash own firmware to it

[cursive summit]

ASUS is easy too

[little valley]

yea basicly i dont wanna buy TP Link cause they got a lot of exploits and zero days in their products i dont wanna buy a backdoor to my PC

[umbral heron]

Exactly, that's why - custom firmware
All my routers run OpenWRT

[cursive summit]

I remember looking into flashing something called Merlin on my asus thingy

Gave up cause I didn't need any new fancy tech anyways and it was more bother than it was worth

[little valley]

wellp

[umbral heron]

Yeah, Merlin is Asus focused, based on their firmware and with their proprietary drivers
OpenWRT is linux-based and has fully open-sourced drivers

[little valley]

@umbral heron sorry for Ping what do you think about Intel X550 or 540

[umbral heron]

Server-grade stuff, I like
Yeah, Intel is very solid when it comes to networking stuff

[ashen spindle]

yea... if you ignore the infamous i225 ethernet controller that to this day is a fucking mess

[cursive summit]

Well supposedly they fixed it

[ashen spindle]

nope

some issues, maybe

[astral haven]

They "fixed it" by releasing a new chip smh

Doesn't fkn count imo

[little valley]

tell me more

[ashen spindle]

yeah and even that seems to still have a few but less severe issues

[umbral heron]

Oh that
Best 2.5G but in reality 100Mbps networking card

[ashen spindle]

I mean it just had a huge variety of issues, thankfulyl most of them were on 2.5g mode so if you only used gigabit you had less

yea

and the most used ethernet controller on most mainboards for a decent while

[little valley]

now you guys completly confused me Q_Q

[ashen spindle]

thankfully 2.5g was not what most people actually use so it was fine for most

basically they had a ethernet controller, the i225

that had a load of issues

the fix is they have a never version that doesnt have them anymore

its not a general issue on their hardware just that controller had so many

[little valley]

so should i be worried or anything? when getting X550?

[astral haven]

And not the v2, the v2 is still broken, the v3 is the working one

[ashen spindle]

.

[umbral heron]

It was an issue with i225 only, overall Intel is really solid

[astral haven]

Yup

[little valley]

so im fine going with that?

[astral haven]

X550 is a good unit

[little valley]

ty

[astral haven]

I got a new toy!

[umbral heron]

Quite expensive that toy

[boreal kiln]

nice

thats a really cool focal length on that lens

[astral haven]

Goes against my dogma of only getting adaptable lenses but I couldn't pass it up

Under 1k technically

Lighter and larger aperture than my previous 50-100
But also mostly plastic so :/

[woven laurel]

but how does that toy earn me more bitcoin???

[umbral heron]

We are not mining crypto on cameras again ;-;

[analog sinew]

but we are minting nfts out of shitty photos

[woven laurel]

[umbral heron]

Speaking of crypto... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De4QjH9fpgo

[hardy idol]

lol

[woven laurel]

[ashen spindle]

guess I should stop being lazy and put my bitcoing from binance into a cold wallet since I just want to keep it for a few years as fun

[astral haven]

unlike ftx tho this one is just them allowing bad things to happen, not them doing bad things

[ashen spindle]

yup

its not out of fear that its a ftx or mt gox I just cba if in the future something happens and I'd have to deal with it

[astral haven]

i havent bothered moving out of coinbase due to the bitcoin transaction fees

[ashen spindle]

yeah those do suck

but I mostly did all the things as fun with the vegas attitude of its gambling and I just put in what I wouldnt care if its lost

so having some fees eat that away just so I can have it in cold storage doesnt bother me too much

[astral haven]

and mine was all from mining, and i already cashed out for the electricity cost lel

[ashen spindle]

twitch what in the fuck are you doing

what is this order

[mild dome]

alpharegretable!

[latent mural]

How good are the wooting 60HE stabs? Stock, since mine is coming to be shipped very soon

I came from using g pro x tkl keyboard so I was just wondering

[odd sleet]

Is it worth me switching from a superlight to a death adder v3 pro (i palm grip)

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/181kdqy/just_got_my_steam_deck_lcd_heres_me_and_my_moms/

https://preview.redd.it/n20de2ghaw1c1.jpg?auto=webp&s=994c0665a65a5aba28603e8636446e4051f455c8

[astral haven]

how expensive is that
I want it for my camera

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/181e3dm/hot_take_a_vita_2_would_have_bombed_in_this/

[true quest]

brain dead takes are always entertaining

[severe phoenix]

I like how their argument boils down to it would be too much work for Sony to support a handheld / get games running on it

like games aren't made to be scalable as is

i.e, performance and quality modes, wouldn't be much extra effort

[severe phoenix]

https://www.ign.com/articles/2017/02/17/sony-files-patent-for-what-looks-like-a-switch-esque-handheld

[mild dome]

Although I ain't a Sony boi, I can see that especially with the PS5 dominating the market Sony was completely ass backwards not making that new handheld a Vita device

[astral haven]

forward looking doesnt mean forward acting lel

[mild dome]

True
But then they made that really dumb streaming thing that doesn't even work with bluetooth?

[astral haven]

wat

as in it works with their proprietary bs and not normal or just no connecting wireless headsets to it at all?

ah bingo
gotta get their proprietary bs

[cursive summit]

Feels like people forget the remote play app was a thing for PS4 for like 10 years now

Them making a handheld out of it isn't that mindblowing

[boreal kiln]

goes back to the ps3 days for remote play with the psp

but the selection was limited at that time

[cursive summit]

Which is funny cause the Portal is just literally a shitty phone that does none of the phone features just with a shitty app that, btw, scores incredibly low on all storefronts lol

People always complained about it being ass

Somehow Portal releases and it's good now

[astral haven]

how is it good now???

[umbral heron]

According to PS fans it is

[cursive summit]

And journos

But being praised by journos is like the lowest type of praise you can get

[umbral heron]

Game journalists are creaming themselves over it for no reason

[astral haven]

what??
guess im glad that i watch the right ones that arent doing that lel

[umbral heron]

Dude on Reddit showed already how Deck with Chiaki works so much better than Portal
PS fanboys are saying it's not the same, because it Portal has bigger screen (8" vs 7.4") and muh adaptive triggers

[astral haven]

id like the adaptive triggers on my deck to be fair

[umbral heron]

When you say them they can connect DualSense to Deck and "advanced haptics" will work just fine, they say it's unusable

I'd love for Deck to have adaptive triggers too, but done well, and not in a half-assed way it's done by Sony

[astral haven]

i just hold it with my hands?

its comfortable to hold

what?

[umbral heron]

I have my Deck in case at all times, and it does have a kickstand, so that's not that big of an issue for me

[astral haven]

???

on my deck

i meant in the deck

how much is a dualsense?

[cursive summit]

So, normal pricing for a controller?

[clever topaz]

i remember back in the day when u could buy a 2 pack for that price 💀

[umbral heron]

Deck doesn't have a stand, Switch doesn't have a case, you will buy accessories for console anyways, like SD card and such

[reef patrol]

I remember when controllers were as cheap as games, and games were half the price they are at now 😄

[cursive summit]

But corpos say they don't earn enough money anymore

[cursive summit]

Also wasn't that literally a myth?

Games were like 80$-90$ back in the day

Think I've seen some for 110$

If anything nowadays we have more standardized pricing lol

[astral haven]

?

i mean there were bundles every once in a while but games were $60 for the longest time

[clever topaz]

AAA games were around 30-40 bux here, i dont think anyone spent that much on a single game back in the day, maybe if it was a special edition for example: steelbooks were pretty popular

[cursive summit]

Found one image

I remember some others with even higher prices which I hope were in USD

Prices back then from what I gather were random

Some cheaper, some extraordinarily high

[astral haven]

thats a looooooong time ago

[umbral heron]

Same with me and case with stand for Deck, just grabbed one for like €10

[astral haven]

from 2010? to 2022 it was a solid $60 for the aaa

[clever topaz]

n64 and playstation era was just getting started, wasnt the msrp for those consoles like 300 bux?? man imagine what u couldve bought with that money in the 90s

[cursive summit]

Not too sure at which point games started being on CD-ROMs

They were a thing by 2006

[clever topaz]

dreamcast and ps2

[umbral heron]

Since around PS1 I guess

[cursive summit]

Mid 90s? A bit early

[clever topaz]

ps1 had cd roms but also not many people owned a playstation afaik

[umbral heron]

Yeah, they became popular at 2000-2002 or thereabouts

[astral haven]

big ones were xbox and gamecube

both 2001

[cursive summit]

Over 100 million units sold so... it very much did sell

[clever topaz]

yeah but they also stopped the production in 2006, and the psx was way cheaper than the ps2 or gamecube

[astral haven]

thats better than VR as a whole to be fair lol

i think?

[clever topaz]

VR is a niche market tho

cant compare it to game consoles

[astral haven]

🤷 10 million units is 10 million units

and the quest(s) are game consoles except for the failure of the pro

[cursive summit]

Not actually that niche

Quest 2 sold about similar amount of units to Series S and Series X, 20 million

I guess problem is, is that VR is kinda dying off

Any hype on the tech in gaming is kinda gone

[astral haven]

wtf sony
this is a black friday sale???
1.2k for 256GB??
thats more than the 512gb s23u

[clever topaz]

yeah its not really ready, not a lot of games are made for vr and u need a beefy pc to push the resolution to make it more immersive

tbf the only game i play on vr is beat saber and i didnt go with high expectations into vr lol

[astral haven]

the amount of pixels you need to make something look realistic is incredible

people say the xr3/vr3 is realistic in its sweet spot, thats 70 ppd
to hit the 110 degrees of the index's 108 degree fov, thats just about 8k per eye

[cursive summit]

I think it's ready just fine, just that people don't care for it lol

[lapis scaffold]

Anyone on 14th gen (14700k)? I would like to know what is the All core P core Frequency. ty

[cursive summit]

Sorry for your loss

[astral haven]

there is 1 game that is reasonably aaa in vr

at least on pc
some people swear by forbidden west but ew

[umbral heron]

Come to think of it only games I'd want to play on VR are Beat Saber and HL: Alyx
Other than that it reminds me of all those "metaverses"

[clever topaz]

I have a confession to make... i didnt finish alyx because i was too scared

[astral haven]

there are excellent experiences in vr outside of those two
i cannot recommend google earth enough, especially with all the "comfort features" turned off

[umbral heron]

I didn't even start Alyx because no VR

[astral haven]

and if you have an iron stomach, boneworks and bonelab are both excellent experiences

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah, Boneworks seemed cool too, especially with your physical presence in VR world

[clever topaz]

yep totally can recommend boneworks
ill try again in a few years

10 minutes was enough for me to get me dizzy and almost throw up xD

[astral haven]

yea it needs a bit of a monster of a pc to run it

[old marlin]

one of them

[umbral heron]

And it gave birth to a spawn called CD-i

[old marlin]

that is the closest nintendo got to something that people actually used

[old marlin]

wrong one

[halcyon moss]

cdi, thats phillips\

[old marlin]

that one gave birth to the ps1

cd-i was a different project

[umbral heron]

PS1 from the Sony side, Nintendo worked with Phillips too and released some games on CD-i

[old marlin]

there was a sharp version as well

[old marlin]

nope

philps just had licenses

for the cd-i

[final flame]

Nintendo allowed them to use their ips

[old marlin]

the games were not made by nintendo

[clever topaz]

i didnt hear that name in so long, does sharp still exist?

[old marlin]

[old marlin]

I think so yes

[cursive summit]

Sharp is very much still a thing

[final flame]

If Nintendo actually made the games for the cd-I they wouldnt have been so comically bad

[old marlin]

I think this wins for me

for weird nintendo stuff that people actually used

though satellaview is a close second

[cursive summit]

A postbox disc writer?

[old marlin]

yes

[cursive summit]

Ah well it's Japan, Japan is mega weird

[old marlin]

well, technically disk not disc

smh

[cursive summit]

Is there a difference

[old marlin]

disc is specifically just cds?

I think

or well, used to be

[clever topaz]

the only floppy disk(s) i own is a copy of windows 95

[old marlin]

I have some drivers for win98

never touched them tho

[cursive summit]

Floppies could make a comeback you know

More durable than CDs lel

[old marlin]

btw

snes had a similar system

with rom carts

[clever topaz]

can't wait to install gta 6 with 137 floppy disks

[old marlin]

there also was a gameboy cart for it

[cursive summit]

Nowadays they could have a lot of storage though

[reef patrol]

Yeah I think zip discs ended at CD size thereabouts?

[cursive summit]

As far as I understand they were somewhat mechanical HDD like, just replace the whole thing with flash storage lel

[clever topaz]

than isnt that just a..... sd card? lol

[cursive summit]

Tbf yeah SD card is just a better floppy lol

[old marlin]

[old marlin]

yes

750 MB

[cursive summit]

Not too sure why smartphone manufacturers are trying to obsolete SDs

Well, greed and upselling aside

[old marlin]

funnily enough

I have a system with a zip drive

[clever topaz]

because UFS is a lot faster

[old marlin]

but also a cd drive

[cursive summit]

Okay, and?

You get far more storage with SD

It fuckin blows my mind you can have 128TB's of storage in this little piece of shit

How the fuck is that possible

[final flame]

[cursive summit]

I bet it costs like 15-20 grand though for one

[old marlin]

SD express uses pcie lanes tho

[cursive summit]

It's not as much the speed but the size of storage

SD cards are absolutely small

[reef patrol]

That is the theoretical file system limit, not card physical capacity.

[old marlin]

also they tend to have no wear leveling

[umbral heron]

Standard allows for 128TB
The most we have now are 1.5TB, with 2TB in tests

[reef patrol]

You can chuck a 16TB drive into the first Xbox. Doesn't mean it is sensible.

[old marlin]

so they kinda suck for OSes

[clever topaz]

it's the same debate as hdd vs ssd a few years ago

if only samsung would start selling UFS devices or cards... thats the problem about proprietary stuff lol

[fair gull]

well i would say it almost is. the only downside is you need a few partitions

[old marlin]

how big is the library for it lol

apparently it's under 3TB

[fair gull]

zipped its like 1.abit TB

thats all i know

[reef patrol]

The Xbox uses partitions by design. But I think you can have all of the main space on a single partition now?

You need an appropriate BIOS and tweaked apps to understand it all though

[fair gull]

ye otherwise its 1tb or 2tb max i think

[reef patrol]

Yeah the old limits.

[fair gull]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-guy-senior-walker-gif-7660497

me when you say old limits

[dreamy zenith]

I just touched my desk and had a static
Why did my whole keyboard blinked for once

[hardy idol]

when it discharged?

[tribal dirge]

Random question but, is the Sabrent Rocket Q4 2230 2tb a good ssd for my steamdeck and ROG Ally?

[hardy idol]

the keyboard is on rubber feet

[hardy idol]

no idea tbh

[ashen spindle]

Should be fine but I’d probably look for a non QLC ssd

[tribal dirge]

Non QLC?

No

TLC is the other one

[umbral heron]

There's SLC, MLC, TLC, QLC...

[hardy idol]

PLC

[tribal dirge]

Shouldn't QLC be better though since it stores 4 bits per cell rather than less?

[ashen spindle]

Yeah the Q4 is the qlc model iirc so finding a tlc ssd would be a bit better

No ideally you want less per cell

[umbral heron]

For Deck look for SSD which doesn't consume a lot of power, that's why Sabrent Rocket 2230 is universally acclaimed for Deck

[tribal dirge]

Hmm

If I opt for less storage it becomes TLC and whatnot

Like 1tb or 512gb

[umbral heron]

It has nothing in common with storage
Just how much bits are stored per cell

[ashen spindle]

Ah right they need the smaller sizes hmm yeah not sure if those have tlc 2tb

If there are no other options it’s fine it’s not like it’ll break in a month and I guess for handhelds the lower performance wont matter as for games it’s basically the same still

[tribal dirge]

I mean, only thing I can find that has similar performance is the Corsair MP600 Core Mini and the WD SN770M.

Although all three of them are basically the same because they use the same NAND Flash controllers.

[ashen spindle]

Yeah for short things the benchmark is basically just testing the cache instead of the actual nand lol

It is fine and they are cheaper I just prefer to have a longer lifespan but if they can’t squeeze it on there you don’t have a choice

[tribal dirge]

I guess