🔌│tech

[astral haven]

not sure i can recc now that the a7c2 exists

but yea its nice

[rough osprey]

i can get a used a7iv for like 500€ cheaper

so

[astral haven]

woah

where are you getting an a7iv under 2k???

[rough osprey]

the german ebay thing

[astral haven]

hunh

ok then

[rough osprey]

my a7riii is barely worth 1k now

[astral haven]

saj

yea i never really realized how little a difference 33 megapixels makes vs 20MP for the breznier method

and technically its a downgrade in terms of angular resolution vs my a5000

now i want the 240mp stills, but not even the rv composites internally

so now i wait, a7r vi when

[rough osprey]

haha

[astral haven]

the one thing i wish existed when grabbing cards for my iv was the pergear cards

$200 for 260GB is awful for SD, but for cfexpress
!!!

also yea dont forget that you want v90 for the all I video

or cfexpress

[rough osprey]

already got v90

the Kingston ones are crazy for the price

[astral haven]

same, i had em for my em-1 iii lel

tho one was another company

[rough osprey]

maybe i get an external recorder too

if it get more into video

monitors seem very useful so the combination of both makes sense

someone sells a ninja v for 200€ lol

[astral haven]

meh it wasnt that helpful for me
you also dont get any better quality 😦

CR and rv do actual raw output tho!

[rough osprey]

10bit with the Bitrate should be fine

[astral haven]

yea its fine its just not better than internal

[rough osprey]

dont wanna spend that much

[astral haven]

and its worse than my phone

which really sucks

[rough osprey]

my use would be having an monitor and recording to ssd

• the tools

[astral haven]

yea but again its a $18 app for my phone

and my phone records opengate and supports gyroflow+eis

[rough osprey]

do you add lenses to your phone

[astral haven]

no need, its got 4 built in lol

[rough osprey]

which one resembles a 1.4 fullframe one

[astral haven]

?

[rough osprey]

like look wise

bokeh

[astral haven]

that aint gonna happen

[rough osprey]

ye that would be my problem xd

and i like low light scenes

[astral haven]

yea 😦

[rough osprey]

a sigma fp looks cool for video

[astral haven]

but no stabe 😦

[rough osprey]

got raw too

[rough osprey]

my handheld is smoother 😜

[astral haven]

its actually not

[rough osprey]

U got no proof !!1!1!1!1

some people add a iphone to record gyro data lol

[astral haven]

which doesnt help for low light

[rough osprey]

just talking about stabilization

[astral haven]

yes

your video wont be sharp if its shaky

and in low light you need the shutter to be sloooow

[rough osprey]

im shooting 180 😜

why we even saying 180

we too poor for cinema stuff

[astral haven]

i shoot 1/15 for my low light stuff

720 degree shutter

[rough osprey]

crazy

[astral haven]

f1.8, 25600 iso

[rough osprey]

that looks okay on that cam??

[astral haven]

yup!

[rough osprey]

damn

[astral haven]

51200 is bad but 25600 is useable

32k isnt reccommended

and you have basically zero dynamic range

[rough osprey]

does it have " double native" iso

[astral haven]

negatory

however since its downsampled footage, you kinda get the same effect at least in video

[rough osprey]

people need to make different firmware for sony cameras

it could easily do raw

[astral haven]

https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Sony ILCE-7M4,Sony ILCE-7SM3

[astral haven]

😦 likely yea

[astral haven]

actually technically looks like its got a second native at 400 but that basically doesnt matter

[rough osprey]

really hope they add it for a7v

would be crazy cam then

[astral haven]

somehow doubt 😦

[rough osprey]

imagine tho

[astral haven]

yea it would be nice

[rough osprey]

a9iii seems to be kinda great as a hybrid too

some people want to switch from a7siii

[astral haven]

its actually insane

but its also priceeeey

[rough osprey]

yeee the price is 😬😬

a9 got the unneeded speed features

r got the unneeded resolution stuff

s is not enough resolution for photos

[astral haven]

disagree there

[rough osprey]

give us the perfect normal a7

[rough osprey]

for me

[astral haven]

33 vs 24 you will not be able to tell

at least thats if sony did in fact dual layer stack this glo shutter sensor

if its got 9 stops of dr bc its single layer, itll be ez to tell

[rough osprey]

i mean unneeded speed Feature that cost more money

24 would be fine for me

[astral haven]

yes and no

you are paying for the sensor

processor is on par with a7cr /rv

[rough osprey]

i would take 24mp sensor that just does raw video

with same photo speed as a7iv

[astral haven]

actually you may prefer a6700 + speedbooster

[rough osprey]

nah small a cam

[astral haven]

?

speedbooster weighs alot, its not that small

but you get a7s3 specs for half the price

[rough osprey]

and where does it have rsw video

[astral haven]

doesnt it?

thought it was same as fx30

[rough osprey]

no

[astral haven]

oh drat

then fx30

[rough osprey]

why buy a fx30 then lol

haha

sony aint cutting themselves

(they are not moondrop)

fx30 got no viewfinder :/

cool cam tho

[astral haven]

fx30 has shutter angle for actual filmmakers, and fan for unlimited recording internally in the sun

[rough osprey]

ye

[astral haven]

also cfexpress-a and dual card slots

[rough osprey]

maybe i just get a venice ii

[astral haven]

apsc advantage comes from the speedbooster

25600iso on the a6700 = 51200 iso on full frame on the same lens with a speedbooster

[rough osprey]

interesting

some people also think a7siv will use 24mp sensor

[astral haven]

not this one lel

[rough osprey]

oh 4

[astral haven]

i do hope they go for slightly higher

[rough osprey]

Sony trying to make a great hybrid cam for not much money challenge (impossible)

[astral haven]

a6700 is relatively cheap

[rough osprey]

great needs raw

[astral haven]

and you dont actually need the raw video its just nice

[rough osprey]

editing is fun tho

[analog sinew]

since you're talking cameras anyway, what do you think of an a6400 as entry camera (photography)

[astral haven]

its got slog3 or whatever

[rough osprey]

10bit still more limited

[astral haven]

yes and no

[rough osprey]

sure

not cheap for entry but seems good (sony bias)

[astral haven]

you are only more limited when you are recording where the sensor can record over 10b of information

[rough osprey]

and in more extreme editing

[astral haven]

wrong

[analog sinew]

yeah, but i want something somewhat decent and also a mount that is recent so i could carry over objectives, sort of a progression path

[astral haven]

if the sensor records less than 10 bits of data, and you have 10 bits of data to work with, the image has the same latitude

[astral haven]

what phone you got?

[analog sinew]

s20fe

[astral haven]

buy motioncam

[rough osprey]

isnt that hard

[astral haven]

??

[analog sinew]

I dont think I can take good macros with my phone :/

but thanks for the suggestion

[astral haven]

ok so what specifically are you trying to do?

[analog sinew]

macro of plants, maybe landscape

[astral haven]

if you want macros, get the absolute cheapest you can find on e mount, and spend your money on a nice lens

[rough osprey]

like raw photos always got so much more data you can see when severely changing exposure

[astral haven]

not if you dont have the DR to push it

[rough osprey]

and like a 8bit video gets destroyed very fast

[analog sinew]

yeah, that is kind of what I thought, thanks.

[astral haven]

personally have an a5000 mounted on my microscope

paid $64 for it

[rough osprey]

shouldn't be hard to fill that tho

[astral haven]

if you are shooting 16 bit linear raw and 10 bit log when you are recording over 800 iso on any sensor, the results are identical

except for the phase ones

[rough osprey]

raw can allow you to recover some burnt out parts or underexposed ones

[astral haven]

nope

it is harder to over or underexpose on raw, but if you do it, its the same end result

[rough osprey]

yes

[deft marlin]

Well…. https://www.keychron.com/pages/keychron-q1-he-wireless-custom-keyboard-with-magnetic-switches

[rough osprey]

but a scene that would be burned out on the 10bit could be okay on the 16bit raw

[deft marlin]

[rough osprey]

rip wooting 😔

[astral haven]

and again you cant recover anything if you fail, and its only harder to fail if you are recording more than 10b of data

[rough osprey]

ye

ofc

[astral haven]

what its for is to eek every last drop of performance out of the sensor

[rough osprey]

wouldn't it just be comparable to editing a jpeg vs a raw photo

without log

[astral haven]

without log

log is super important

[rough osprey]

it helps ye

[astral haven]

8 bit log gets you more latitude than 12 bit sdr jpeg

[rough osprey]

and editing white balance is cool too

[astral haven]

yea its nice but again log

[rough osprey]

on the red you can edit iso or sum?

[astral haven]

effective iso

yea raw is better, but it aint much

[rough osprey]

still cool as a photographer that is used to raw photos

and i be breaking raw photos sometimes

[astral haven]

meh you can treat log video like raw photos

literally identical workflow except your computer screams less

[rough osprey]

the screams make me happy

[astral haven]

eh then just record in h265 non all i

[rough osprey]

and use 4k preview

[astral haven]

yup

[rough osprey]

😁

editing 8bit is sad tho

[astral haven]

youd be surprised

8 bit log is actually quite workable

8 bit linear aint enough but log?

[rough osprey]

i always hear that 8bit isnt enough for slog

[astral haven]

id take an 8 bit log downsampled from 12 bit linear over 10 bit linear raw any day

[rough osprey]

like the guide for my cam is to use hlg

[astral haven]

sure

hlg is log btw

different profile

[rough osprey]

ye but not slog

some hdr stuff

[astral haven]

yea but slog is fine at 10 bit for pushing pretty far

[rough osprey]

i will try

[astral haven]

further than the 12b the sensors are physically capable of recording

[rough osprey]

if not i will visit you

who wins penguin or snake

[astral haven]

not the snake if its a garter snake lmao

[rough osprey]

do penguins even attack anything on land

gotta look weird

[astral haven]

yes, they are vicious

[rough osprey]

Oh no

i gotta stay at my penguin's are cute mindset

[astral haven]

anyways someone was asking about photo cam
@analog sinew
make sure to get a camera with stabilization if you are going to take a camera on a hike with you, unless you intend to carry around a tripod

[rough osprey]

ye good discussion tho xd

[analog sinew]

Yeah, ibis is what i'm torn on

[astral haven]

the a6700 is actually an incredible camera, but your phone is too

[analog sinew]

the phone just feels... wrong

[astral haven]

you need to go for f4 or better lenses to match your phone perf

motioncam pro is $12

[analog sinew]

how can a sub 400 phone match a camera twice that price

[empty wren]

Ai

[astral haven]

no

[analog sinew]

👀

[rough osprey]

web3

nfts

[astral haven]

lenses

[empty wren]

Google pixel a line is roughly around that price

[astral haven]

im talking about raw photos

processing disabled

[rough osprey]

just get a 24-70 2.8 gm ii with your a6700 👍

[astral haven]

yea the phone cant beat that

[rough osprey]

it might beat your wallet tho

im so excited for the mk 2 of the sigma 24 70

[astral haven]

"might"

[rough osprey]

hope its lighter

[analog sinew]

Lots of suggestions, I will have to think about that all 🥲

but thank you two

[rough osprey]

idk we got millionaires here

[astral haven]

seriously try motioncam
free version only records for a few seconds, but you can see the quality, and for photos you only need a few seconds

[analog sinew]

i will

[astral haven]

needs postprocessing on the computer for the free version

but the meta is taking burst photos, and stacking them

take a wild guess which is which

Motioncam with stacking vs stock app

[analog sinew]

that is quite the difference

hm i can only find the flash as torch, where is the flash hidden?

[astral haven]

they havent added flash suport yet

you need to have the flash always on for it to expose properly

[analog sinew]

okay

[rough osprey]

that looks really bad for normal tho xd

[astral haven]

oh yea this is super low light

well not super low but its relatively low light

[rough osprey]

camera app scared of noise

[astral haven]

Here's 1 raw frame (converted to jpeg) straight from sensor

take photos in good light and its orders of magnitude better

[analog sinew]

what did you stack it with?

[astral haven]

its built into the paid version of the app

[analog sinew]

oh right

[astral haven]

"temporal noise reduction"

you should be able to copy the files to the pc and use the pc software

[astral haven]

this was 16 frames of NR

both of our phones can record a maximum of 30fps full sensor, but if you increase the shutter speed it slows down

so this took about 2 seconds to capture

decrease shutter speed

[analog sinew]

it says it can do 16 nr frames but i can't really tell

[astral haven]

wdym?

the pc software should allow up to 32

[analog sinew]

i cant tell on the preview if anything changed

yeah in the free app

[astral haven]

the preview doesnt include TNR in the app

even in pro version 😦

[analog sinew]

okay, makes sense

[astral haven]

takes a while to process

even on pc you have to press a button to preview the tnr

[analog sinew]

i wasn't sure if it applied cause free.

lemme grab a plant and try

[astral haven]

preview and result

[smoky frigate]

weird. encoding some dark material in x265 leads to visible blocking even at high bitrates. I'll have to see if aq-mode is to blame

[cursive summit]

https://www.androidpolice.com/google-kill-youtube-vanced-for-good/

Fuck off

[analog sinew]

hmm i still cant get that close even with the focus all the way

[rough osprey]

google getting angry now

[cursive summit]

Google can suck some nuts, fuck off

[astral haven]

yea youll have to get as close as you can, then stack, then digital zoom in post

[cursive summit]

I am getting my ad free viewing and I am not paying ever increasing subscription prices

[astral haven]

i also get far better results with the ultrawide (these pics ive been posting are from the ultrawide)

[cursive summit]

This is so fucking funny holy shit

[cursive summit]

Web Environment Integrity is the "Web 3.0" tech that supposedly is going to protect all of us from malware

[analog sinew]

it is definitely useable

[smoky frigate]

use brave browser on android (blocks ads) and enable video playback in background -> problems weren't

[analog sinew]

thanks

[cursive summit]

It's funny how people called out WEI on the get-go for what it is, for web makers to enforce a no-adblock policy

[astral haven]

yea to get better than that on an apsc youll need to spend at least 400? on a lens

[cursive summit]

But no, no, it's for security purposes, you need this

Before WEI is even out, YouTube already looking into using WEI for enforcing no adblock

So much for that little charade

Wait they killed WEI?

Holy what

"We’ve heard your feedback, and the Web Environment Integrity proposal is no longer being considered by the Chrome team" https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2023/11/increasing-trust-for-embedded-media.html

This is a major win

So they will still look into ways how to implement it, but WEI is dead

Fuck yes

[analog sinew]

i just dream of getting really really close, so maybe that is the way :D

[astral haven]

yup

but for the same amount you also get a nice phone...

[analog sinew]

yeah but a big camera has more style points

[astral haven]

yea

carrying around a heavy body gets old quick tho

and even small lenses make a camera too large to pocket

[boreal kiln]

thats a thing so many people underestimate

[astral haven]

your phone has an f1.8 lens
the lightest micro 4/3 f1.8 lens is already more heavy than your phone, and thats half of apsc

and your phone is only half the sensor size of m4/3

[boreal kiln]

phone image quality is also pretty good with good lighting

[smoky frigate]

I got a Nikon 17-55mm f/2.8 DX that I stuck on my D7200, which is an epic lens. I like zoom lenses, and this thing is good for every situation. I believe I paid 600 bux used for it, which was more than for the camera body

you only notice it's a small sensor during night shoots

so for shooting at night, any lens will suck with APS-C

[astral haven]

@boreal kiln

[astral haven]

not true

you just need a f number 1.4x lower than the full frame

[boreal kiln]

these were taken with a phone

[smoky frigate]

they look good scaled down, but the devil is in the detail

[astral haven]

this is for the same tier of sensor however

which you get back by shooting raw

[smoky frigate]

yeah you can see it. but the image overall is nice!

[frozen ingot]

yeah even my 4 year old phone takes great looking pics, as long as you don't view them in 1:1 scale

goddamn there's so much processing artifacts

[astral haven]

try with motioncam

zero artifacts

[boreal kiln]

my phone is just for snapshots

[ashen spindle]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/11/07/core-to-core-latency-data-on-large-systems/

[astral haven]

and thanks to motioncam, my phone can be for serious photos too

at least for wide and ultrawide shots

samsung unlocked the raw for the telephotos 1 gen after my phone 😦

[boreal kiln]

#🔌│tech message

same scene but with a mirrorless cam

[astral haven]

try with motioncam on your phone

[frozen ingot]

seems like android only

rip

[astral haven]

ofc

[boreal kiln]

i use iphone so no good for me

[astral haven]

ah

yea iphone is pain

[frozen ingot]

yeah am still on iphone for a while longer too

[boreal kiln]

plus phone for me is just for documenting stuff i want to look at later to remember something

[astral haven]

my s21 ultra slaughters the 15 pro thanks to the raw capabilities

[boreal kiln]

if im going to do photography im going to carry my actual cameras

[frozen ingot]

probably getting an xperia next switch

[astral haven]

but the weight 😦

gotta have a bag, or have the cam visible

[smoky frigate]

https://www.androidheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Panasonic-cm1.png

I would like something like this one day

[boreal kiln]

depends on what type of photography i plan to do

[smoky frigate]

(not leica tho)

[boreal kiln]

might just carry my ricoh some days

[astral haven]

im considering the xiaomi 14 ultra as a point and shoot

[boreal kiln]

other times its the fuji x100s or my eos r

[astral haven]

yea the ricoh and x100 are pocketable

but not as stronk as modern phone

better profiles built in tho

[boreal kiln]

nah still better tbh

[astral haven]

i mean modern phone with true raw

[boreal kiln]

how modern we talking ?

raw has been on a phone for ages

[astral haven]

camera2api

[astral haven]

unprocessed raw

[solemn remnant]

raw dogging

[smoky frigate]

unwashed & uncut

[rough osprey]

unprotected photography 🔥

[boreal kiln]

[rough osprey]

narisa everywhere

[boreal kiln]

so are you

[rough osprey]

it's the goat mnk combo 🔥

[astral haven]

Yup

[boreal kiln]

i dont even use that combo at all

[rough osprey]

me neither 😅

[astral haven]

Same

Wooting at work, m2k at home

[rough osprey]

zaunkoenig for the price is uhhh

[boreal kiln]

downsizing to smaller things

[astral haven]

Lol

9 total buttons for input

[boreal kiln]

you can kinda play fps with that combo

[rough osprey]

love the mini artisan

do they make mini squares

would be a cool coaster

[boreal kiln]

small is smallest

[rough osprey]

do you actually main that size?

[solemn remnant]

every time I see an m2k I die a little inside

[boreal kiln]

only used it like twice in games

[crisp granite]

love the mouse choice

keyboard is weird though

[rough osprey]

ah good

[rough osprey]

ye what a weird company

[crisp granite]

I'm actually hoping to snag one of those M3Ks

in...the batch dropping sometime this month

[rough osprey]

ohhhh

good luck

you will need it

[crisp granite]

I'm fine waiting for subsequent batches as well

I just want one sooner if I can manage

:P

[rough osprey]

first batch is a lil lighter lol

[crisp granite]

yeah...not even 50 mice

jeez

[rough osprey]

nah i mean the mice are lighter

[crisp granite]

oh

[rough osprey]

compared to everything after

[crisp granite]

considering these mice are all sub 25 grams anyway, don't see why I'd care

[astral haven]

I really like the m2k, but going in I knew the cable had to be replaced, with a nice replacement cable it's fantastic

[boreal kiln]

my actual main combo

[rough osprey]

m3k should have much better cable

[boreal kiln]

ultimate ftip mouse

[rough osprey]

oh no

[crisp granite]

oh god the one apple product I hate

[gusty kiln]

what model is the wireless one?

[crisp granite]

[rough osprey]

you got the aesthetics tho

never seen a ugly pic by you

[solemn remnant]

unironically I'd use that over a zaunkönig product any day

[rough osprey]

😅

[boreal kiln]

the one above is pretty ugly

[rough osprey]

why u hatin

[boreal kiln]

i wouldnt the mouse sucks

only thing its got going is its flat so slips into a bag easy

[astral haven]

Better than custom tho?

[wheat plume]

Wtf why's it limited to 720???

[rough osprey]

maybe better when matching uwu light with mousepad color?

[solemn remnant]

I dislike the company and the people behind it, also I think fingertip grippers are weak people and cables are stupid

[gusty kiln]

[rough osprey]

whaat

[boreal kiln]

m2k back when i just got it so like no dust on it

[smoky frigate]

widevine stuff

[rough osprey]

blue is so chill

[boreal kiln]

this escalated quickly

[solemn remnant]

I bring this up every chance I get

[rough osprey]

what exactly are u referring to

[serene otter]

most streaming services do this on pc and its horrible

[boreal kiln]

wait you're not that person from mousereviews are you ?

[solemn remnant]

zaunkönig blog posts make me nauseous

[boreal kiln]

or the one that was on discord hating

[solemn remnant]

don't think I am

[rough osprey]

which one 💀

[boreal kiln]

i think its even a pinned post

[woven laurel]

hey narisa, are you happy happy with the uwu 🙂

[rough osprey]

oh i like the blog Posts

[boreal kiln]

its great even tho i have no idea what to use it for

[rough osprey]

i even told blue to write more

sry for that

[woven laurel]

if you dont know anything use it as a next/previous/ start stop button for listening music

[astral haven]

You probably are also OK with apple events lmao

[rough osprey]

ye

they look good

[boreal kiln]

thats what i have it set to atm but then my stream deck does the same thing

[woven laurel]

ooh yeah thats why I didnt buy the uwu hahaha

I have an elgato stream deck plus

[solemn remnant]

it's super funny to me that they have this air of superiority and claim shit like fingertipping is 69x times better than anything else, and everything they do is better because "we say so", but are shit gamers themselves

[astral haven]

I claw the m2k lel

[solemn remnant]

no relevant pro players use m2ks or such

or fingertip for that matter

[gusty kiln]

pen mouse when

[rough osprey]

that's why they aint better 🔥

[boreal kiln]

i bought it because it was cute

[smoky frigate]

on a completely separate topic, I switched from arch linux the newest Ubuntu and I actually really like it. only problem I have is that my kernel of choice isn't available, otherwise it's everything I need

[solemn remnant]

I mean it's good that there are options and people can use what they like, it's just the people behind the company that strike me as maximum assholes

[astral haven]

You are taking the marketing too literally

[boreal kiln]

its not like they're finalboy

[astral haven]

Yea

[boreal kiln]

plus blue is always super friendly to chat with on the sunday AMA

[fickle ore]

r u talking about zaunkoening or what? bc the man behind can believe that, he isn't however spoonfeeding that to others

[rough osprey]

fr

[fickle ore]

The fingertip cult is really bad tho

[rough osprey]

we will find you

and steal your sidebuttons

[boreal kiln]

wait i joined a cult

[solemn remnant]

haven't you done the initiation rite?

[boreal kiln]

[fickle ore]

I wasnt talking about you but I hate those who think ftip is objectively better than other grip styles 😛

Well no I cant type

[solemn remnant]

yeah I am, sure he can, and I'm free to dislike the person because of their blogposts as well. it's not spoonfeeding literally since I keep my mouth closed, but they're still claiming stupid shit on the internet

[boreal kiln]

oh i dont care what grip someone uses

[fickle ore]

I dont hate the ppl who believe that, only those who tell others actively that other grips are bad

[solemn remnant]

I think it counts lol

[rough osprey]

palmgripping a m2k

[astral haven]

Also again m2k isn't just fingertip
Some of us have smol hands 😦

[boreal kiln]

i can only claw the m2k

[astral haven]

Yea

[fickle ore]

Lol I guess. He's chill guy. Fun to chat with and I don't even use zaukoening atm.

[solemn remnant]

you so delicate and cute, like a flower

[astral haven]

I can't fingertip anything larger than the m2k, and claw is ez

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1720996641506009570

Makes sense for SUPER cards to be announced at CES

I wonder what more will we see at CES, Zen 5?

[gusty kiln]

unironically looking at the 4070 Ti Super

[cursive summit]

Intel's battlemage?

[cursive summit]

Looks solid

[gusty kiln]

meme name but should be a 4080 lite

[fickle ore]

I've tried convince Blue to create a palm shape but no luck so far 😄

[gusty kiln]

I kinda wana get the ultralight X tiger

wish it was bigger

[rough osprey]

bro should really look into wireless tho

[solemn remnant]

well he might, but I love it when I can just build up this irrational rage every time I see talk of m2ks and shit

[fickle ore]

Yepp, preferably with the newly released Nordic chip

[rough osprey]

some day the weight on wireless will be close enough

and that day is pretty close

[fickle ore]

Dunno, find me a lighter palm shape than ULX lol. I know it's possible but most aren't keen on making wired atm.

[rough osprey]

ye not even doing that on m4k which releases in 2025 is uhh

[astral haven]

Also m2k isn't the lightest technically

Drawing tablet in relative mode is lighter

[rough osprey]

das not a mouse tho

[gusty kiln]

yeah there's a valorant player using drawing tablet

[solemn remnant]

kek

[gusty kiln]

also pen mouse when

[rough osprey]

arent pen users using keyboard for mousebuttons

[astral haven]

It's just a really really awful shape for a mouse, but it is in fact a mouse

[solemn remnant]

never cared for finalmouse either, but I guess the ulx is kind of interesting

[astral haven]

Not all

[rough osprey]

the Valorant guy does

[astral haven]

Yep, it's better

[fickle ore]

I'm pretty sure drawing on a drawing tablet is technically "heavier" if normalized for speed/strength

;O

[astral haven]

Nah

[cursive summit]

https://www.techspot.com/news/100759-intel-could-receive-billions-us-government-make-chips.html

[fickle ore]

If I put my hand like on pen it feels like I can move it slower

Can't jerk at 6 m/s+

[astral haven]

Why not?

[fickle ore]

Dunno try it

[astral haven]

I have

It takes a while to get used to, and many drawing tablet pens are weighted

[fickle ore]

Feels like it's not a fast if I swing my hand freely vs as if I had pen in hand

[solemn remnant]

just apply some lube to your dick first

[astral haven]

Not sure what you mean

[rough osprey]

is this still tech talk

[fickle ore]

dw about it just thinking aloud

[cursive summit]

https://devclass.com/2023/11/07/mozilla-will-move-firefox-development-from-mercurial-to-microsofts-github

Now... what is Mercurial

[ashen spindle]

if only there was some website where you type in a word and it could tell you things

[marsh glade]

askJeeves

[cursive summit]

There is?

[astral haven]

Yea it's called discord, works 40% of the time

[ashen spindle]

true

[rough osprey]

Lol Instagram asking me if i wanna keep using it for free or pay 13€ a month

bc of laws?

[solemn remnant]

yes, ads

[gusty kiln]

https://twitter.com/PulsarGears/status/1721809544945492389?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1721809544945492389|twgr^9713b5e4216746c15d59c9633ed9b7f2e9a032a0|twcon^s1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F17prti8%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue

[astral haven]

@ashen spindle
https://i0.wp.com/chipsandcheese.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/c2c_cn8890_1s_fixed.png?ssl=1
what on earth causes this to happen???

thats such a janky arch

also my favorite

[ashen spindle]

bruh I got no clue lol

[astral haven]

also no monolithic spr numbers

suppose we can kinda guess itll be the same as the best 1/4 of the quad die SPR

[ashen spindle]

they probably didint have one to test

[cursive summit]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-11-07/elon-musk-s-neuralink-brain-implant-startup-is-ready-to-start-surgery

Ehh

Wouldn't trust it lol

I wonder if Musk has much to do with it

He had a lot to do with OpenAI initially, quit the project later or something like that

But brain implants for the disabled are very very promising tools to return natural motor function for the ones in need

[astral haven]

he was kicked out of openai because he was being too cautious
and yes this same elon musk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvim4rsNHkQ

[ashen spindle]

he also didnt found tesla even though he really tries hard to go down on people who point that out

[astral haven]

yea megalomaniacs are touchy on stuff they use to prop up their mania

[mild dome]

Musk probably thought OpenAI was making a real intelligence, and didn't understand "AI" was just a marketing term for advanced machine learning

[astral haven]

the founding goal of openai was a VI

[mild dome]

Do you think Musk would understand that though?

[astral haven]

and the current goal is AGI

[ashen spindle]

musk is a social idiot not actaull iq challenged

so yes he would

[mild dome]

After seeing him start attacking Wikipedia for its server costs I am really not convinced he's some kind of idiot savant.
I think he honestly just got lucky

[astral haven]

🤷 does that matter?
also yes hes actually smart
megalomania and intelligence are independent factors

also intelligence and wisdom

intelligence is domain specific

[ashen spindle]

enough people that I trust being smart like jim keller have personally talked about working with him and confirm him being a good thinker

[astral haven]

he is very good at scaling companies that have a basically sound idea

[mild dome]

Dude has and runs a website, he should've been able to put two and two together and realise that Wikipedia's server costs would be huge before running his mouth

[astral haven]

well to be fair to the comments he made interpreted literally, his strategy for cost cutting server hosting was to just not pay
and that does make the hosting cheap...
temporarily...

[ashen spindle]

smart people can easily make very dumb decisions

especially when emotion driven

[astral haven]

and while IQ is super general, it doesnt mean you have domain specific knowledge

even if your mania makes you think you do

[mild dome]

I can't trust what Jim Keller is saying because I do honestly believe Elon would've been coached before meeting him so he could market himself towards Jim as being a smart man. Like every claim that "He's a genius REALLY!" Comes under doubt when I see him repeatedly making bad decisions and bragging about it on Twitter

[astral haven]

define genius tho

[ashen spindle]

bruh it's not an interview and then they never talked again

[astral haven]

also yea they worked together

[ashen spindle]

they like literally worked on the dojo chip not him standing there watching doing nothing

[mild dome]

Elon wouldl've known he would talk to Jim, He would know Jim would talk to other people
Elon would've made sure to get coaching first

[astral haven]

and while musk was bssing his face off about the actual capabilities, the chip itself is extremely impressive

[ashen spindle]

its not just him dear god he's not getting coached how to talk to every person to pretend being smart

you think he'd even listen to such a coach

[astral haven]

they worked together for well over a year

[ashen spindle]

he doesnt listen to his lawyers/tax people when tweeting about fundings

[fickle ore]

you can't trust a people you don't know !

[astral haven]

what a fkn legendary carreer lmao

[fickle ore]

Trust is earned Quin, and without knowing there is no earning.

[ashen spindle]

no but I can infer if people that clearly made an impact like jim or other engineers that are known all say the same

that he's not a total idiot when it comes to using his brain

[fickle ore]

alright 😛

[mild dome]

How many meetings did they have face to face, let alone casual get togethers.
To add: Jim Keller being a smart guy would know bad mouthing Elon could backfire

[solemn remnant]

WHY'S HE JOB HOPPING SO MUCH

[mild dome]

Like I think Elon is usually smart enough to know not to get in the way of his engineers, but that's about it. The idea that he personally went down to the factory floor and fixed the Tesla design and SpaceX engines when all the other engineers were stumped was a fabrication

[ashen spindle]

you know there is a middle ground between bad mouthing one and saying one is extremely good at first principle thinking and solving problems

[mild dome]

Probably gets poached quite often

[ashen spindle]

like you could just not say that and say working was great

nah it's the benefit if you are top of the top and do what you want

[fickle ore]

someone told him hopping companies makes your CV grow vertically

[mild dome]

Elon likely views neutrality as bad mouthing

[solemn remnant]

magical

[astral haven]

how should I know,
Jim claims they worked together, and ive watched enough keller interviews to understand he would have no problem saying that they rarely worked together

[fickle ore]

Elon vs Feynman, go

[astral haven]

he got bored, since leaving dec his job has been to rearchitect for the next several generations

[ashen spindle]

keller isnt making a company that wants to grow on youtube, his clients wouldnt care jack shit if he'd say negative things about elon

[astral haven]

i suspect elon would win at a million to billion race where they each found a company
again intelligence is general, but domain specific knowledge wins

[ashen spindle]

like yes he doesnt have a formal engineering degree and likely never did 3 years of just sitting down and code or design hardware

[astral haven]

well he does

[ashen spindle]

he has a degree?

[astral haven]

basc in EEE

[final gyro]

sheeshh

penn state

[astral haven]

nothing super fancy but he does in fact have a degree

[final gyro]

isnt penn state really good?

[ashen spindle]

ah right someone claimed he didnt but there were university records he does

[fickle ore]

appleid science is like, not a real university, right?

[final gyro]

and who is that even?

[ashen spindle]

what, who is elon musk?

[final gyro]

oh thats elon's linkedin?

[astral haven]

no

this is jim keller

[ashen spindle]

oh I was talking about elons degree

[astral haven]

of various fame

[ashen spindle]

keller ofc did the classic university route

[final gyro]

o

[astral haven]

yea idgaf about musk, but kellers credentials are spotless

[ashen spindle]

like we can talk about shit like the hyperloop being a shitshow diverging funds for actual useable public transport and all

or how much twitter lost in value so far

doesnt really matter when especially the latter seems to be personal motivation and not pure logical purchases

[fickle ore]

I heard last he is trying to claw back 40 bil by selling names on twitter for 70k a pop

Not sure if he's already clawed back all of the 40 bil

[solemn remnant]

surely not

[astral haven]

the banks who agreed to loan him muns have marked down the loans to 50%

on average

[runic cliff]

Hey guys is anyone in here know if it fine for me to use the cable that I used for rtx 3070 for the 4080 or do i need to use the one they provided with the 4080?

[ashen spindle]

well the 4080 uses the 12 pin so you need the adapter

[empty wren]

https://www.androidpolice.com/google-kill-youtube-vanced-for-good/

[true quest]

as long as mobile browser exists im set

[zenith silo]

Rip

Enjoyed it while it lasted

[astral haven]

1. repost
2. clickbait

[empty wren]

Damn it vex beat me

[rough osprey]

it works 🤷‍♂️

[astral haven]

yea what alternative do we have

[raw zephyr]

@old marlin

[rough osprey]

you can fingetip everything

nice

but Superlight still not ideal

clicks so high

make your own with 3d printing

[raw zephyr]

buy clay

mold it

scan it with your iphone

print it

[rough osprey]

🔥

[raw zephyr]

i may get my hands on m3k in like 2030

[old marlin]

It's more the other way around

[raw zephyr]

mattyow plays with wired gpx ;d

[old marlin]

I don't see why you wouldn't just use a deathadder v3 pro lol

[old marlin]

don't care, shape is still ass

[old marlin]

or if you want a smaller one this https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-m2-mini-wireless-mouse

[raw zephyr]

you are in shambles now Yamatoklok.

[old marlin]

wdym

at least I don't recommend you a lamzu whatever

with the same fucking firmware

yea tailormade seems to concentrate on high level of contact mice

which sucks for range of movement

at which point it sucks even more since the angles will be odd

[raw zephyr]

what would be the point of custom mouse based on a picture of your hand when you only gonna use fingertips to hold the mouse

[latent mural]

[old marlin]

I mean they could adjust click angles

[raw zephyr]

don't think you need a custom mouse for that

[old marlin]

[turbid horizon]

are there any news for 65 or 70% keyboard layout next year from wooting? :p

[latent mural]

do you guys know if the ultra light x is worth the price??

[rough osprey]

yes it is

[chilly escarp]

its sold out

[turbid horizon]

new batch coming nov27 UltralightX

[latent mural]

its a continued product

they just ship in batches

[chilly escarp]

oh

i guess im getting it as well

[left grail]

If the shape isn't for you then no

[old marlin]

sell in batches as well

wouldn't say it is worth it

due to how expensive it is

but subjective in the end

[boreal kiln]

isnt it similar to cost with like razer once you add the 4k dongle

[old marlin]

if you paid msrp for razer

yea

[rough osprey]

if you want the specs

what else is there (other then gwolves maybe)

[old marlin]

compx

[cursive summit]

https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/laptops/results-are-in-qualcomms-snapdragon-x-elite-goes-toe-to-toe-with-apples-new-m3-pro-processor

[granite talon]

yo! im looking to get a g pro superlight, and was wondering if there’s any reason i should be getting the older model over the superlight 2, ive seen a few complaints the new click switches are a bit heavier but not much else really

[old marlin]

it's cheaper

[rough osprey]

ye

[granite talon]

oh damn its like £40 cheaper i dunno where tf i was looking but they were priced the same

[old marlin]

msrp is similar

[old marlin]

tbh not sure if clicks are actually heavier

people just cope hard and think that older superlgihts used to have lighter clicks

but then compare a mouse with over a year of heavy use vs one right out of the box

[boreal kiln]

unless you really need usb c or want the higher poling then get the original gpx

[granite talon]

thanks for the help bois

[old marlin]

btw there will be a 4k dongle for the gpx 2

that you would have to buy separatley

quite funny imo

[boreal kiln]

rip

i guess they're following razer with that

but i wonder if that will be 8k compatible in the future then

[old marlin]

yae but logitech goes from 2k to 4k

[boreal kiln]

like razer has done

[old marlin]

razer goes from 1k to 8k

[rough osprey]

when gpx mini release

[old marlin]

lemme look at it again

[old marlin]

never

[rough osprey]

sad

logitech dongle should release this month if leaks are true

although its kinda pointless

[old marlin]

was just fcc leaks atm

I think

[rough osprey]

the ghub "leak"

[old marlin]

ah

yea nvm

doesn't mean much tho

from what I know they push software with ghub before release

[rough osprey]

atleast we would know its real then

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/intel-kills-off-its-chip-freezing-cryo-cooling-technology

[rough osprey]

😔

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/hkepcmedia/status/1722204530551706049

Pretty cool

12 RDNA3 CUs is basically... ROG Ally GPU? Z1E

So you could game with these

8700G appears to be 8 cores as well so exact same specs as Z1E

Except it won't be TDP limited so performance should be higher

https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-apple-working-on-custom-battery-design-could-debut-with-iphone-17-in-2025-3300541/

Moving away from li-ion?

[vagrant pagoda]

Also monolithic

[rough osprey]

getting closer to canon

[boreal kiln]

about time

they had some horrible grips in the early day

[rough osprey]

a9iii is 7k euros ???

more expensive then a new a1 rn

[cursive summit]

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/08/8gb-ram-m3-macbook-pro-like-16-gb-pc/

Ehhh... nah?

Ahahahaha, again?? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12719655/Now-YouTube-hikes-prices-millions-customers-Premium-family-plan-jumps-30-biggest-price-increase-YEARS.html

[boreal kiln]

[rough osprey]

ye your currency has different value tho haha

[boreal kiln]

still expensive tho but cheaper compared to Europe by the looks of it

[rough osprey]

thats only 6300€

[boreal kiln]

but cameras here in recent years have been a lot cheaper compared to other countries

[rough osprey]

guess i gotta move

[old marlin]

I fucking hate linux so much

"oh it is so easy to install software"

my fucking ass

so easy to install

until something inexplicably breaks

and then you have to deal with digging out packages

because nextcloud decided to suddenly not with with php versions newer than 7.4

and libcurl3 got replaced by libcurl4

which doesn't work with php 7.4

I don't even know how tf it broke

if you need an old library on windows you just install the old library

on linux you "only" have to seek out the download link from somewhere

then dl, unpack and install it via cli

so easy

documentation

if I need an old .net installer

then I will find it from the official source

without it being stupidly confusing

if I want an old package on linux

they will start giving it weird names

[steep creek]

Aha makes sense he’s in marketing with such claims

[old marlin]

and it's online presence will be on some website that is essnetially just a list of packages

with 0 description

[cursive summit]

Inb4 Lana, Calslock and 2-3 other people come barging in to call "skill issue"

Linux is sacred

[umbral heron]

Nah, here it's more php issue lol

[old marlin]

it's not just php

that shit is there with any older package

[umbral heron]

Why tf nextcloud wants php >8.3 I have no idea

[cursive summit]

I'm finished, you can reset

[old marlin]

7.4 for me

idk why

still not sure how it broke

[umbral heron]

Depends on distro tbh
On Arch and any rolling systems older packages are a pain, sure
But on Debian/Ubuntu LTS there should be no problems

[old marlin]

it's fucking debian

smh

got it to "run" again

now it only throws errors

[vagrant pagoda]

Imagine not using docker

[umbral heron]

Oh yeah
External repositories
I forgot Debian has an allergy for anything non-free until recently

They even have official package https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud/

[vagrant pagoda]

Containers are nice because they don't mess with each other's dependencies

Truenas scale + docker for my next cloud

[old marlin]

wtf is happening

I think it managed to nuke it's db

[vagrant pagoda]

Probably

Lol

[cursive summit]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/8/23951935/google-european-telcos-apple-imessage-digital-markets-act-core-platform-service-gatekeeper-lobbying

[umbral heron]

Google? Turns to EU? What alternative dimension it is?

[cursive summit]

Well you see

https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/7/23950513/youtube-ad-blocker-crackdown-privacy-advocates-eu

[steep creek]

lol

[cursive summit]

When Google needs money, they go to EU

But then EU fucks them anyways with anti-spy laws

[umbral heron]

[cursive summit]

See that's the whole thing with #GetTheMessage I don't understand

The push seems "genuine" and "good" at the first look

But who owns the RCS patent

It's google innit?

So basically it's a push to get people to rile up Apple so they pay patent fees

[umbral heron]

Mavenir Networks and nativeMsg it looks like
But certainly with Google's funding

I'm pretty sure it's about fake sense of prestige coming from apple fans... again
Because iPhones messages are 🌟 Green🌟, and poor android users have blue bubbles
in the end iMessage is probably nothing more than E2E messaging protocol with some custom Apple stuff, like those animated emojis and such

[frozen ingot]

I think its the other way around

not that anyone cares, except americans

[mild dome]

Google does not own the RCS patent :/

[cursive summit]

Somehow money will come to them though

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21126/amd-reduces-ongoing-driver-support-for-polaris-and-vega-gpus

[mild dome]

Looks like it's owned by GSMA and they license it out

Ok the pudding here seems to be that rcs requires special servers and only google at the moment has the license

https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/wm18td/stop_telling_people_that_rcs_is_an_open_standard/#:~:text=RCS is a proprietary standard owned by the GSMA.

[cursive summit]

Sad end of an era

Polaris were such sexy cards man

Absolute little beauties

[mild dome]

In theory Apple should be able to setup their own servers of the GSMA allows. However GSMA might do some under the table deals with Google and deny apple licensing rights maybe?

My though for why Google wants to force Apple to move to RCS is simply that a few customers cite imessage as a reason to not use Android. As iMessage will not integrate Android phones into group chats very well and the such.

[cursive summit]

Isn't apple's communication standard functionally worse than what Android has?

[astral haven]

It's not worse if you have an iPhone

Although Google turned the "intercompatibility" hacks around so that the iPhone is now the one that gets the random extra messages

So who knows now it may be the iPhone that is the worse experience in a group chat

[severe phoenix]

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/11/08/8gb-ram-m3-macbook-pro-like-16-gb-pc/

[cursive summit]

That was already posted

[mild dome]

It works Iphone to Iphone, but breaks down Iphone to Android due to the lack of RCS support.
This means a lot of people feel pressured to get Iphones like their friends to support Apple's standard and get messages as intended. In theory iMessage could use Apple's own solution for Iphone to Iphone messages, and RCS for Android, but they've always refused.

If Iphone was compatible to with RCS, quite a few customers would nolonger feel pressured to buy Iphones, and go for a cheaper android,

Our workplace puts so much telemetry on the companies laptops that the 16GB M3 pro feels like a 4GB PC

[astral haven]

And again google:
https://www.businessinsider.com/google-messages-android-update-iphone-reacted-texts-imessage-2022-10

And this is old news

[crimson wigeon]

Who uses SMS or iMessage anyway?

[cursive summit]

Idk I just use Meta's Messenger

Free communications

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah Whatsapp is what everyone here uses, for better or worse

[reef patrol]

Well most folks use iMessage at least because it's cross platform and app.

SMS less so.

Mostly relegated to 2FA and updates from companies regarding shipping, bills and whatnot

[old marlin]

it's VERY popular in the US

imessage that is

my dad actually uses sms

cause he had issues with whatsapp

[thick elk]

I am a weirdo who mostly still relies on SMS, I do have whatsapp but on a prepaid sim and only really used on my desktop.
Having these kind of distractions is not something I want on my phone.

[shadow minnow]

iMessage isn’t uncommon in Europe either

[reef patrol]

I use Messenger for everything in my "real life" day to day, but that's probably more of a "Denmark moved Facebook and still kind of do" thing.

[severe phoenix]

https://youtu.be/W6DB0Oo81OE

[cursive summit]

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-is-building-ai-model-olympus-compete-with-openai-google-2023-11

[thick elk]

Ugh me making things difficult, for no good reason.
Wanted to decrypt my root using an usb drive
Turns out the boot option cryptdevice=UUID="some-uuid":root works fine with quotes but cryptkey=UUID="some-uuid" only works without quotes.
Took me a bit longer than I am willing to admit figuring out, was looking at all the wrong places.

[cursive summit]

https://www.engadget.com/google-has-fixed-a-bug-in-android-14-that-locked-pixel-users-out-of-their-devices-061040556.html?_fsig=GpoHvkFhb_OcyBkznJsAYA--~A

Should have kept it, it was funny

[thick elk]

Google is doing great on the bug department, my mom recently got a pixel 7a and the default keyboard app somehow only worked in landscape, tried all the settings, ended up just getting a different keyboard app.

[wheat plume]

Wtf you on about?
iMessage is not cross platform.

[dusky herald]

cross platform as in across iOS, macOS, and other apple products

definitely not cross platform in the sense it goes outside apple's ecosystem though

[wheat plume]

That's not cross platform
That's just ecosystem

[dusky herald]

again though thats probably what they meant by cross platform

just that it works across the whole ecosystem

[boreal kiln]

imessage defaults to sms for android devices

[reef patrol]

That is... cross platform.

[thick elk]

This is less of a thing in Europe because of the earlier mentioned because of whatsapp being popular and the lower market share of apple.

Made me look at a map of market share of iphone vs android:

[wheat plume]

My sister's friends basically started to ghost her when she switched .-.

They seemed personally offended by her decision to get Android

https://fxtwitter.com/thexpaw/status/1722176195603689860?s=20

[cursive summit]

You are reposting

[wheat plume]

When was this posted??
Lemme.look

[cursive summit]

In the proper channel which is #🎮│game

[wheat plume]

I was gonna post it there but it's very active in the discussion rn

[reef patrol]

Then wait 😄

[wheat plume]

I'm on a time limit....gtg in 4 minutes xd

[cursive summit]

Here's an URL for you #🎮│game message

Nearly 3 hours late

[wheat plume]

Xd

I had to drive 3 hours ago

O

[thick elk]

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r23_multi_core_with_benchmate/rankings?start=0&start=0#start=0#interval=20
For reference.

He beat the record with a whole 3 points and 83,3mhz

Such generational improvement

from the 13900k

[umbral heron]

I dunno, with being this light it feels a bit... weird... But it's way more comfortable to move around

[thick elk]

Mostly just wondered how much better a bin 14th gen were, seems just outside the margin of error but not that amazing.

[old marlin]

yea takes a bit of time to get used to lower weight mice

[thick elk]

I still remember the time I used weights which was especially stupid because the mouse at the time was already rear-heavy.

didn't do that for long though.

[old marlin]

rear weight is so shit

[umbral heron]

more than 3 times lighter With faster movements I feel like it'd fly across the room

[old marlin]

skates also make quite an impact to it

[umbral heron]

default ones so far feel pretty good

[old marlin]

ye they are pretty good

[umbral heron]

Which razer gui is currently the app to go with linux? I've already got openrazer but there's like 10 gui apps for it 👀

[gusty kiln]

finally got dates for the Xlite V3

[cursive summit]

Literally nobody will answer you that I bet

[gusty kiln]

that mean +2-3 months for QC to fix shit

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F25aa8rpn36zb1.png

MX Master competitor

basically better in everyway except battery life

my mx master is like 4 month battery

[rough osprey]

no 8 million hz 😔

[cursive summit]

https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/11/08/apple-admits-third-party-app-stores-in-europe-are-inevitable

Victory for consumers!

[umbral heron]

Nah, already configured it with terminal

Razergenie works though

[dusky herald]

if only third party app stores would be rolled out internationally and not just in europe

[thick elk]

I am sure Apple will make sure third party app stores are hindered as much as would not be a obvious violation

They already did a similar thing with Dutch dating apps being allowed to use alternate payment methods.

[rough osprey]

make apps fromthird party Stores super limited in performance

for uhh security reasons

[astral haven]

they could probably justify running them in a hypervisor of some kind

and that would definetly crater the performance and battery life

[rough osprey]

with a big permanent big warning tag lol

[astral haven]

oh yea using the new fancy notifications

Kinda like this

[rough osprey]

whole island just red

with a !

[astral haven]

nah cant do that since then you would see the tricks pulled to make it an island

[umbral heron]

Ok, so it turns out Razer's 800DPI = Logitech's 1600DPI

[boreal kiln]

wait what

[wheat plume]

Hu Tao phone!!!!! https://genshin.global/product/hu-tao-oneplus-ace-pro/

[umbral heron]

I measured distance I have to move a mouse for it to cover certain length on display
And Deathadder's 800DPI is spot on the same as G502's 1600DPI

[boreal kiln]

is it possible the logitech is defaulting down to 800dpi

so when i got my gpx before it kept defaulting to 800dpi even tho i set it to 1600

[upper comet]

do you notice any difference at all with 8k polling rate

[boreal kiln]

but that was sorted out with onboard memory manager

[umbral heron]

[thick elk]

Which one is correct?

if you have sensitivty 1:1 you can measure it

[upper comet]

1600/800 only valid dpis

[umbral heron]

I've set G502 with GHub and saved onto onboard memory with 1600DPI, and used it since
With Deathadder I've set it to green DPI, which according to manual is 800 DPI, same thing reports openrazer
And they are the same

[boreal kiln]

also make sure to uninstall ghub so it doesnt take over the mouse

[umbral heron]

I don't have ghub, I just had it for a while in a vm, only to set up a mouse and wheel

[thick elk]

Just measure it, on a 2560px wide screen it should take 1.6 inches to move from right to left or 3.2 inches on 800cpi
I could roughly calculate the distance on 2000cpi matches at roughly 32mm to move across one screen.

I wish they would use cpcm instead of cpi but conversion is just an alt+space away

[final flame]

Debating rn

[thick elk]

How much joy would owning it bring you vs spending it elsewhere or not spending it at all, that should ultimately be the question.

[misty saffron]

i'd prefer a debate with a human but you do you

not as one-sided

[final flame]

I don't have a functional iem that I like anymore, but at the same time I have a focal bathys

[dusky herald]

Wooting Wooting
Razer Razer

[thick elk]

How much do you use iem's / plan to use them.

[umbral heron]

Ok, Logitech's lying
It takes ~6cm to move across 1920px screen, which is like spot on 800dpi

[boreal kiln]

so logitech was on 800dpi ?

[umbral heron]

This entire time, yes

[boreal kiln]

knew it

[thick elk]

It's always good to verify

[boreal kiln]

theres no way a mouse would deviate that much off the norm

[final flame]

Quite often, also want something practical for use in bed

[crisp granite]

Not bad

[umbral heron]

[dusky herald]

the heck is ratbagctl

[umbral heron]

libratbag is dbus daemon for logitech and shitseries stuff

[thick elk]

They don't seem the most comfortable but I have not owned them + I am quite picky about these things.

[dusky herald]

imma have to put that on my arch install then

guess what my first gaming keyboard was btw

[umbral heron]

Well, as we have concluded, it doesn't really work as it should

[dusky herald]

if you guessed a shitty gigantic plastic steelseries apex membrane keyboard with only 5 lighting zones across the entire keyboard youd be correct

at least the steelseries software wasnt garbage back when i used that thing

honestly i dont even know where that crummy keyboard is now

[boreal kiln]

mine was this back when it came out

[frozen ingot]

I had that too

was a nice board for the time

really liked that display

[dusky herald]

found an image of said first gaming keyboard i had

[boreal kiln]

cant believe it came out like in 2006 feels like a lifetime ago

[chrome estuary]

I bought the G815

And I thought IT was big

[frozen ingot]

a friend of mine still uses one of those