🔌│tech

[rough osprey]

then a9 is kinda the sport camera

[astral haven]

yup

[rough osprey]

less burst speed doesn't sound good for that

[astral haven]

?

[rough osprey]

!

[astral haven]

a7s3 is 10fps

a9ii is 20fps

[rough osprey]

ye why would they maybe reduce that

[astral haven]

current rumor is 33fps continuous wdym reduce?

what the a7s3 will still ahve over the a9 3 is iso performance

global shutter is slower in terms of iso performance not in terms of readout speed

[rough osprey]

the article is just saying that global shutter may reduce burst speeds

[astral haven]

that would surprise me greatly

[rough osprey]

who even does global shutter other then red

[astral haven]

arri i think

but more importantly, Phantom

[rough osprey]

not on the 35 atleast

i mean you can just improve your readout speeds

[astral haven]

thats much easier on global shutter than rolling

[rough osprey]

sony does know how tho

[cursive summit]

https://vxtwitter.com/SmokeAwayyy/status/1721605055160496586

Yep

They have an "AGI" in labs

2027 launch for that, before that a new model in 2025 I guess

[astral haven]

oh wow holy smokes, global shutter vs rolling is now pretty close at slower speeds
https://www.phantomhighspeed.com/products/cameras/4kmedia/flex4k
https://www.phantomhighspeed.com/products/cameras/4kmedia/flex4kgs

https://www.phantomhighspeed.com/products/cameras/tmx/7510
if you want higher speeds tho the only options are global

but thats less than 7 bits of DR in color

[rough osprey]

😬

[astral haven]

on the same sensor rolling shutter gets a claimed 12 stops where global gets a claimed 9

thats effectively the difference between a max iso of 512k vs 2 million

actually wow thats still pretty great

that would be for the same tech as the a7s3 converted straight over, and there has been alot of new tech since

actually wait a sec, using dual layer transistor BSI, you should be able to put the global shutter circuitry behind the pixel instead of sacrificing sensor area to use that

[steep creek]

sweet'

[cursive summit]

https://allenai.github.io/clin/

Yay, more agents

[astral haven]

this is a more modern setup but yea, should be able to move all that wiring bs under the photon detection area

[mortal saddle]

any audiophiles can recommend me a entry level dap/amp for 6xx or meze99

pretty pls

[cursive summit]

Entry level?

[mortal saddle]

like 100 dollars

i know these can get overly expensive

[cursive summit]

Maybe https://www.amazon.com/FiiO-Headphone-Portable-coaxial-E10K-TC/dp/B098TKMNKG

At budget you can't really get much good in combo, people buy dedicated units

Usually Topping, though Schiit and JDS are good

https://www.amazon.com/Topping-Stereo-Headphone-Amplifier-Combo/dp/B0BFV7PSDB

There's this I guess

[mortal saddle]

👍

[mild dome]

Also try for Ebay, might be able to get something used but working great

[cursive summit]

Lol Mediatek 9300 gets fucked by A17Pro

Tiny bit better multicore but far worse singlecore

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/11/elon-musks-new-ai-model-doesnt-shy-from-questions-about-cocaine-and-orgies/

Funny af

[astral haven]

Save the money for harder to drive cans, cx31993/apple dong can drive 6xx and mezze 99 no problem

[mild dome]

Lets be real, it doesn't have a filter because Elon couldn't afford the development time to add one

[cursive summit]

Apparently this model only has a year of development time or something?

Or was it only a year of training

Apparently a bit of an unpolished model that somehow can compete with Llama

[mortal saddle]

Even if my phone/pc has audio jacks?

[astral haven]

id still recommend the cx/apple but only if you notice any issues with your audio

often your graphics card will inject noise into the audio jack, and the cx and apple dong can filter it out

[cursive summit]

I wouldn't buy an USB-C dongle but do whatever you want

If you plan to take the hobby seriously with some heavier to run stuff which tbf aren't even that expensive

Get proper gear

[astral haven]

key part being "heavier to run stuff"

do not buy a full size amp if all you are driving are sennheiser or mezze

[cursive summit]

Something like Hifiman's HE6SE is pretty damn great, cheap nowadays, but hard to run

[astral haven]

maybe tube for 6xx

[mortal saddle]

How much would i need to save up to get a good setup

Amp dac wise

[astral haven]

define good

theres an option for basically every price

its very very often a better idea to focus on better outputs

[mortal saddle]

Lets say i double my budget would that be good enough?

Or is it better to save up to 300

[astral haven]

again name a budget and you can buy a decent set

$10? sure
$10,000? ez

but you will get more value from $100 in the headphones than $1000 in the amp/dac

[mortal saddle]

Lets say 200 dollars

[cursive summit]

200$ is enough

JDS amp dac stack for 200$

Will run anything

[mortal saddle]

Sounds good

Will look at reviews and comparison and all that

[cursive summit]

JDS are pretty well loved

Get some nice cans though

[mortal saddle]

Are 6xx considered nice cans

Lmao

Definitely have to import them

[astral haven]

they are nice, id prefer editionxs and even cx dongle over 6xx and atom stack even tho the xs needs slightly more power than the cx can provide

[cursive summit]

Basic shit

[astral haven]

something like the edition xs + any of the dual cx43131 dongles would be my recommendation for a total of $400 us

[steep creek]

I’m not sure if this is true or not

[astral haven]

moondrop dawn pro is the most popular dual cx43131 dongle

[ashen spindle]

nvidia is kinda hurting it's own brand with that by having the laptop gpus share the name of stronger desktop gpus kek

[cursive summit]

Yeah, no

[mild dome]

That doesn't seem real

[final flame]

The dawn pro is nice
Cheapest way to get into balanced stuff that I know of

[steep creek]

Yeah I don’t believe it just yet

[ashen spindle]

oh it is true its just not the desktop gpus so the naming is misleading+ power constraint

[cursive summit]

4080 is desktop 4070Ti chip iirc

Just low tdp

[steep creek]

Yeah they should specify that it is a laptop chip

[ashen spindle]

I mean that's on nvidia

[steep creek]

Yep

[mild dome]

What's the difference in price between the two?

[steep creek]

Didn’t they call it mobile before? I can’t seem to find any 4080m for example

[mild dome]

I mean the m3 pro vs alienware?

[ashen spindle]

yeah older ones were called mobile but not consistent

[cursive summit]

Same price about lol

[steep creek]

Aha

[cursive summit]

M3 max is a fuck ton more

[astral haven]

nvidia for 2 generations, matched the desktop and laptop chips
and the lower power variants had an M suffix (980 vs 980M)

was very sad on 20 series 😦

[cursive summit]

At that point compare vs 4090 mobile

[wheat plume]

The November 2023 Android 14 security patch for Pixel devices goes live.

The update arrives for devices starting with the Pixel 4a (5G) 'bramble' and newer. This build includes following bug fixes:

Display & Graphics
• Fix for issue occasionally causing a green flash when the display is turning off in certain conditions *[?]

NFC
• Fix for issue occasionally causing NFC and related services to have instability in certain conditions

System
• Fix for issue occasionally causing system instability when apps request an app that is no longer installed
• Fix for issue occasionally causing devices with multiple users enabled to show out of space or be in a reboot loop *[?]

User Interface
• Fix for issue occasionally causing desktop icons to disappear after unlocking device
• Fix for issue occasionally causing the wallpaper to be misaligned for devices with a notch or hole punch camera

Touch
• Fix for issue occasionally causing screen jerkiness when touch registration becomes imprecise *[?]

Build number: UP1A.231105.003 (UD1A.231105.004 for Pixel 8 series)

[mild dome]

Decided to lookup Balders gate's performance and
"the game is more cpu intensive than graphics intensive"
If this is the case then comparing gpu performance wouldn't work well as the cpu is bottlenecking in both cases?

[ashen spindle]

depends, hard to tell what parts and settings they used

but yeah obviously not the norm even if you just look at the powerbudget

like assume it has the same gpu ppc it has less thermal headroom

[mild dome]

I wouldn't be surprised if they ean it on low settings to force the gpu to bottleneck to exaggerate the M3's gou performance.

[ashen spindle]

jesus it's not an apple made benchmark

and still 1440p not 1080 or anything

[steep creek]

There is apparently a 1080p benchmark too

But I’ll wait for more reviews before I draw any conclusions

[astral haven]

also keep in mind baldurs gate runs very well in general, its not too intenstive of a game on either cpu or gpu regardless of if it is bound or not

[crisp granite]

impressive, especially considering that they're about the same pricewise, if not a bit cheaper than the windows laptops

[steep creek]

Apple computers are more expensive here than in the us to my knowledge, so that MacBook in the benchmark will be a minimum of 7000 usd, the Alienware I assume is 4000 usd

[wheat plume]

Apple making Alienware seem cheap... Wtf

[final flame]

Yea

[crisp granite]

probably living in a country that doesn't get apple laptops direct

those countries get hit with absurd prices

[wheat plume]

So does Ireland with all tech products sold here having 23% added to the price

[crisp granite]

that's called taxes, numbnuts

[wheat plume]

Plus additional extra for that store profits

[crisp granite]

normal enough
stores need to keep the lights on

[wheat plume]

Import fees yes

[crisp granite]

and idiots stocking the shelves

[crisp granite]

on top of VAT?

[wheat plume]

Yes

[crisp granite]

tbh, considering people will buy tech regardless, quick and dirty way to collect tax dollars

[steep creek]

I’m in Norway. There is no official Apple Store but we do have authorized resellers. For whats it’s worth, Sweden does have an official Apple Store and MacBooks cost about the same there.

Fyi we do have the Apple online store, just no physical stores

[ashen spindle]

well yeah if you buy outside the eu ireland adds import tax, you dont pay customs duty when from withing the eu we had that multiple times

[wheat plume]

There are a few Apple authorized resellers in Ireland too
Maybe they have them cheaper? Idk

Even if a store isn't Apple authorized
They still sell Apple products so yeah xd

[crisp granite]

so it must be whacky regional pricing

[steep creek]

Along with import duties, vat and our currency being down yea

[crisp granite]

here, a 14" with M3 max (40 GPU) is a cool 4674€

[steep creek]

I see

I remember couple years ago they really increased the price for all computers. Before that they were decently priced

[crisp granite]

thing is
shockingly well priced tbh

base level pro (that doesn't come with base M3) is only 2600€
tax included

a little more pricy than previous gens, BUT inflation has been a lot since then

(by a little, I mean 600€)

[steep creek]

Ah it’s the same price here, 2530 to be exact

[ashen spindle]

inflation was big the year before/of its release not as much since then lol

[solemn remnant]

yo in the nineties top of the line computers would cost tens of thousands

[crisp granite]

honestly, I'm super happy with my M1 Pro macbook

cost me 2500 CAD

and...it'll probably be my daily driver till my applecare+ expires

[steep creek]

Yea it’s a pretty nice laptop. I got to try the m2 pro for a while and it was a nice experience

[crisp granite]

and once that happens

I'll just get another

[steep creek]

Though I’m not too fond of the storage and memory prices. The base laptop I guess is acceptable

[crisp granite]

for what I use it for, the base amount of storage is more than enough

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep creek]

Fair

[wind mortar]

in what way does it suck

just out of curiosity

[cursive summit]

Do we have to restart the conversation again

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-penguin-gif-26365947

[cursive summit]

I mainly have issues with bad usability, truncating useful features for no reason, ever increasing bloat and Microsoft's bad decisions the past few years

That and I don't like how it looks or functions

[wispy lintel]

Hey guys! Do the LE45s come lubed already?

[raw zephyr]

yes, factory lubed

[mild dome]

Apparently Windows 12 is in development. I am hoping it's a good step above 11

[raw zephyr]

it's not

[mild dome]

It's not a step above Windows 11, how do you know that?

It's not even out

[wispy lintel]

Sorry I’m dumb with this stuff haha so does that mean I don’t have to buy the lube and do it myself?

[raw zephyr]

you can, hand lubing is nicer, but it's not necessary, you will have great time ootb

le60 are also factory lubed.

[wispy lintel]

is the LE60 the one that’s already on the default board ?

[raw zephyr]

Yes.

[umbral heron]

LE60s are default on 2HE and 60HE, 45s on UwU

[wispy lintel]

Cool so the board comes lubed already

I’m going to buy the LE45 do you guys recommend that I still lube it myself or can I just use it, idc about sound I just want a smooth feel

[warm night]

they are both factory lubed

it's a decent job too

i can definitely tell vs a hand lubed one but it's not really that much better

[raw zephyr]

it's rumored to be ai driven, just the concept is already plagued.

[umbral heron]

They wanted to swap Menu Start with Copilot AI Menu iirc

[wispy lintel]

that’s very nice that it’s factory lubed.. I don’t think the apex pro tkl I got was at all

or the ducky I had before that

[raw zephyr]

probably not

[wispy lintel]

Do you guys think a wrist rest is good with this keyboard ?

[raw zephyr]

personal preference

i don't like one, but some people swear by it

[umbral heron]

Depends, some people like wrist rest, some not really, I just can't use them though

[frozen ingot]

I use one for longer gaming sessions, don't find it as nescessary just for typing

[analog sinew]

i got one since it is higher than my previous keyboard

it's good so far

[frozen ingot]

am not using a wooting wristrest for my 60HE, only got the fullsize one

[wispy lintel]

Okay! Is there a specific brand for nicer feeling key caps for gaming or are the stock good enoug?

[boreal kiln]

stock are fine unless you're after a particular look for the keyboard

[mild dome]

Basing an entire generation of Windows off of a meme gimmick
https://youtu.be/1vuHTFHDybI

[wispy lintel]

I don’t think I really care about looks atm.. I felt like when I had the apex pro, I switched to the hyperx keycaps and those felt a lot better, more grip

[mild dome]

There are ceramic ones that are terrible for gaming, but sound real nice

[old marlin]

[umbral heron]

Razer keycaps are really cheap and have a nice grippy texture

[wispy lintel]

Ooh that’s cool! I’m def looking more into caps meant for gaming 🙂

[old marlin]

why do you need a grippy texture tho

[umbral heron]

I don't

[frozen ingot]

most brands of keycaps will do fine if you're not that picky about the perfect look

[umbral heron]

Some may want to

[mild dome]

I think it's meant to prevent you slipping and hitting two keys

[boreal kiln]

if thats the case may as well save some money and stick with the stock ones

[old marlin]

what are you doing if you slip on your keycaps

like how do you arrive at that situation

[umbral heron]

To be honest, even with old ABS shiny keycaps you'd have to eat Cheetos and play at once to make slip

[mild dome]

The ceramic caps are smooth, and quite slippery, especially when it get sweaty

[boreal kiln]

better off with griptape if you need that much grip

[old marlin]

I mean preferring a texture is fine

but people pretend like it is actually a hindrance

[frozen ingot]

I got a set of those textured wasd keys, does the job I guess but don't know if they actually improve finger grip vs my regular keycaps

[mild dome]

For most people it don't matter, much. But for a L33T gamer, even making a silly mistake once in a bluemoon due to equipment failing you is unacceptable

[frozen ingot]

more like its easier to tell when your fingers are on them

[old marlin]

if you get to the point that you slip on your keycap you have a bigger issue

[rough osprey]

why

[old marlin]

wdym "why"

[rough osprey]

if you play some time your hand will get sweaty

[old marlin]

"oh yea I wear a big sweater all the time in case I fall down"

[mild dome]

The bigger issue: Valorant addiction
I cry everytime

[old marlin]

like how do you arrive at the situation where you slip on your keycap so much you do a misinput

without it having any other bigger issue

[rough osprey]

is slipping really the issue

like to the point that you do a missinput

just having more grip is nice

[old marlin]

that is kinda my point

like if you get to the point where you have a misinput something has to go very wrong lol

[mild dome]

Clumsiness, I don't know man I have a ceramic keycaps and havn't used super grippy keycaps in a while. Let alone studied this
Like just in theory you would have less misinputs from your finger sliding off a key during a quick maneuverer

[wispy lintel]

what is a “low profile” case .. is it a case where your wrist won’t be angles higher to reach the keys because the keyboard isn’t as tall in length ?

[reef patrol]

A case that is as flat as possible.

No height that isn't needed.

[wispy lintel]

I feel like that would be good for your wrist ?

[analog sinew]

the angle you're thinking of is typing angle

[frozen ingot]

sure fingers can get sweaty and a bit slippery on occasion, wouldn't say its been that big an issue though

[wispy lintel]

Ya I think I’m lost hahaha

Okay so a low profile case doesn’t mean it’s ergonomic?

[mild dome]

Saw the wooting in half to get a split keyboard 🤤

[wispy lintel]

I’m sorry I’m still just lost at what low profile is compared to just the normal wooting keyboard haha

[frozen ingot]

less angle and height

pcb/plate gets mounted lower down than in stock case

[wispy lintel]

So with this, wouldn’t your wrist be less bent when gaming ?

[cursive summit]

It will not be.

The only good thing 12 can actually achieve is proper ARM arch support

It seems Windows might actually properly support ARM with 12

[frozen ingot]

yeah imo stock case is pretty sleek and even tho its 6 degrees angle it doesn't feel that angled at all

[cursive summit]

Other than that they won't do shit towards making 12 usable

[frozen ingot]

is fine even with this wristrest which is a little lower than the wooting one

[wispy lintel]

Have you ever owned an apex pro.. Does it feel angles like that at all?

[frozen ingot]

I have not

[umbral heron]

Apple can do ARM, because their set of dev tools is made to spec
Linux can do ARM, because most of the stuff is open-source and easily portable
Windows is wild west compared to that

[old marlin]

they do already

wdym

translation layer on 10 and 11 can also get updates lol

[cursive summit]

Well yes, but Microsoft is starting to work with companies to enable better optimizations for ARM and better performance it seems

Qualcomm is launching an ARM product specifically for Windows that isn't actually shit lol

AMD is planning to launch ARM products

Nvidia is reportedly investigating ARM CPUs

[old marlin]

might give them an incentive to improve the translation layer

[wispy lintel]

Wow ! Is the low profile on the left

[cursive summit]

Microsoft will kinda have to optimize Windows for ARM a lot more

[frozen ingot]

imo the 60HE looks a lot more angled on pics than it actually feels to use irl

also looks kinda tall on pics

[steep creek]

I think getting native programs for arm will be challenging. Market share would have to really increase for devs to port over imo

[wispy lintel]

I feel like I gotta just wait and try it before I see.. I just have had tight forearm problems when it comes to bending my wrsits upwards for too long and wanna try out to see if a lower one would make a difference

Do you use low profile for your wooting?

[cursive summit]

It would be amazing though if we get efficient ARM products and there's no reason to use Macs anymore

[mortal saddle]

what case is that

[wispy lintel]

Ooh! Do you think the low profile is more comfortable?

[frozen ingot]

one thing was for sure I never used the fold out legs for my two HE

way too steep angling

somehow I kinda liked that as a kid but can't stand it anymore

[analog sinew]

i thoughtbi wouldnt use the feetb but like them now

[frozen ingot]

each day I am reminded of this now

[wispy lintel]

Do you recommend any low profile bodies ? I got the 60Eh

[frozen ingot]

make sure to at least try it stock first before you go burn more money

imo

will give you an idea of which direction to go with your replacement case at the very least

[wispy lintel]

Thank you I will do that for sure whenever this keyboard comes haha

Sorry what hole are we talking about haha

[mortal saddle]

might consider that for the module

not sure

[wispy lintel]

Ooh okay so if I pick up any of those colors in that link you sent me I should be good to go?

[frozen ingot]

I do like a sleek low profile design but not sure if I'd be entirely comfortable having the switches that exposed again

like my two HE p much

[wispy lintel]

Also this prob a dumb question but the low profile/case wouldn’t mess with the rapid trigger or other quirks that come with the wooting ?

[frozen ingot]

affects nothing like that

[wispy lintel]

Ty!

[frozen ingot]

the pcb and plate are screwed together and the magnet-sensor distance is determined by that

[mortal saddle]

might get a case with lots of posts

and destroy the standoffs

[wispy lintel]

If I were to get a low profile case in the future would it be good to get DSA caps?

[mortal saddle]

wait wtf

there is a gasket mount 60he

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6sny3CQalE

[celest marlin]

do i ask questions with whats wrong with my wooting here

[umbral heron]

#1019755933959733258

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidias-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-packaging-design-leak-hints-it-might-be-real

RTX 4080 SUPER honestly seems only good for making 4080 cheaper

4070 SUPER would be cool if it comes quite a bit cheaper as well, so far it seems very similar in specs to 4070Ti and far better than 4070

4070Ti is also pretty damn good looking, good specs on that card

So I guess this generation gets good only now?

[wind mortar]

I meant in what way does Linux suck.

I know Windows sucks

[cursive summit]

Oh Linux?

Well, it just sucks lol

I've used it for years for productivity and boy did I grow to dislike it

It's just far slower (in the amount of time it takes to complete a task), far less useful, than Windows

[wind mortar]

I've used it for 7 years and only like it more every day...

[wind mortar]

this is not true

[cursive summit]

That is true

[wind mortar]

can you give an example?

[cursive summit]

Installing apps?

[umbral heron]

Mate, was your last Linux version Ubuntu 12?

[wind mortar]

literally 1 command lmao

[cursive summit]

It takes like 10x longer than Windows

[wind mortar]

you're objectively speaking wrong

[cursive summit]

I had to bother for 5 HOURS to figure out why can't I install visual studio code on my linux machine

[wind mortar]

I hate to be "that guy"

but it sounds like a skill issue

:-/

[frozen ingot]

learning curve is still very steep for most linux distros if you want to do things outside daily desktop chores

[cursive summit]

Sounds like a usability issue

[wind mortar]

yes, but when you learn those things it's way faster and more usable than Windows

Windows is not made for power users, unlike some Linux desktops/WMs

[cursive summit]

That holds virtually no logical basis

[umbral heron]

It does
It's just you've already learned Windows over a long time you've used it

[wind mortar]

Vex what distro and DE were you using? just out of curiosity

[frozen ingot]

was kinda hoping it would make some strides towards being more user friendly in the future, I figured back in 2008

[cursive summit]

Faster? If you are bothered to remember a million terminal commands and pray that the damn distro isn't going to hiccup

Usability is non existent with Linux, let's completely forget that

[frozen ingot]

and from what I can tell very little has changed regarding that

[cursive summit]

It's unforgiving for a layman user

[umbral heron]

Nah, it's just Vex being Vex

[cursive summit]

Try to get old people to use Linux, let's see how user friendly it is

Bet you 1000$ you will get them to never use a PC again

[wind mortar]

my grandma is using Mint

she says it's way better than whatever she had before (W7)

[umbral heron]

Old people? I'd rather give them Mint or Debian than Windows, way safer

[wind mortar]

yea lmao

[cursive summit]

You people like Mint?

[umbral heron]

My parents use Mint with no issues for over a year

[cursive summit]

I grew to fuckin hate Mint after 4 years of usage

[frozen ingot]

I mean, it can be okay if your nan got pretty basic computer needs

[wind mortar]

most people have very simple computer needs

for most, their OS is just a bootloader for Firefox

or Chrome to be more accurate

[frozen ingot]

that's my issue with it though, you're either stuck with the basics as a new user or plunged into quite uncharted waters for anyone accustomed to mac or windows

[cursive summit]

Mine aren't, I need productivity apps and other shit, and I am not bothering where with Windows it's a one click install process, to install 5 different dependencies and translation layers to make something work

[wind mortar]

why are you trying to make Linux Windows? @cursive summit

it works fundementally different

[cursive summit]

Cause Windows is actually usable?

[frozen ingot]

you want to run a semi-uncommon piece of hardware or run some specific software from windows and you might find yourself having to jump through some pretty serious hoops

[cursive summit]

I'm not bothering with this conversation, linux users are deluded as usual

[wind mortar]

lul

no offense seriously, but your skill issue is not other people's issue

or the OS's issue

[umbral heron]

Mate, you're still living 10 years ago tbh

[cursive summit]

Ask Torvalds to design a properly working OS

That doesn't require terminal and googling for commands and forums to make anything work

[umbral heron]

Terminal > shitty windowsforms GUI

[frozen ingot]

windows core strength lies in that its not really the best at anything (apart from gaming maybe) but can typically do/run most anything on the market

[umbral heron]

And you talk productivity

[frozen ingot]

typically without too many headaches on the way

but also comes with a lot of unnescessary luggage

whatever you choose its compromises in one way or another

[umbral heron]

Yup, powershell is so cool

ls actually works

[wind mortar]

are you serious btw?

with that comment

[umbral heron]

Nah, it's going to be funnier, given most of the old kernel Windows developers already retired from MS

[dusky herald]

also arent there a decent chunk of distros that are very light on command line usage and mostly everything just kinda works out of the box if you dont feel like messing about in the terminal

[umbral heron]

Mate just fell asleep 10 years ago and now trolling
On Ubuntu installing VSCode is one click now

[warm night]

you definitely don't need the terminal anymore if you just wanna use the computer for normal computer tasks

especially on distos like mint etc

[umbral heron]

Even Arch now has GUI panel with most system settings

[warm night]

it still has a place and always will but it's not some necessity to use the computer

[warm night]

that's not part of arch though, that's on the desktop environment you install

[dusky herald]

for me i do need the terminal to do basic stuff like installing programs
but thats less because linux is hard and moreso because im a sicko that uses arch and havent set up gui frontends for that stuff

[warm night]

but you can manage everything with a gui probably yeah

[umbral heron]

DE independent, just a simple program

[warm night]

i c

still has to be installed one way or another and probably through terminal seeing as gui package managers are eh on arch

[umbral heron]

True, even making Discover work with flatpak on Arch is a tall order

[dusky herald]

glares at manjaro's pamac messing up the aur multiple times

[warm night]

but on the commodity distros there's definitely little to no need for a terminal

yeah

manjaro is horrible

[umbral heron]

We don't speak of Manjaro

[warm night]

didn't they ddos arch repos multiple times

[dusky herald]

i dont use manjaro

[warm night]

well effectively ddos

[dusky herald]

thats what i meant

[warm night]

xd

idk how they managed that

also their holding pack packages for "stability" just breaks more stuff

its funny

[dusky herald]

they had pamac send a new request to the aur every time any character got typed or removed from the search box

[warm night]

amazing

[dusky herald]

instead of waiting for the user to stop typing for a bit

[umbral heron]

"Dynamic search"

[warm night]

its the most responsive search box they used

for about 5 minutes

[dusky herald]

why dont they just download the package database in one go and save it locally for dynamic search

[warm night]

yeah

i mean the aur is pretty big

[dusky herald]

but all you really need is package names

not the rest of the metadata

[warm night]

but it can't be so big that a simple list of everything is too big to reasonably store

yeah

[umbral heron]

86k packages, pretty much nothing compared to bigger databases

[warm night]

oj

I'd have expected more

interesting

[dusky herald]

also wait i just noticed something silly about this gif

why is the file browser 3d

[warm night]

effective visualisation

you fit more files in a given space

as you have a third dimension to play with

[dusky herald]

then why do they not stack them upwards

why are they all on flat platforms

[warm night]

ineffective use of an effective scheme

i dunno

[dusky herald]

also 3d isnt a very effective visualization anyhow when it needs to be projected into 2d

if you stack files suddenly some of them become completely hidden by stuff in front of them

probably file browsers are 3d for computers in realities that have 4 spatial dimensions

[wheat plume]

Install app on Windows

• Open browser
• Type name of app
• dodge the scam / malware ridden sponsor links on Google
• find the real website for the app
• navigate the website to find the download button
• download the exe
• close the browser
• open file explorer
• navigate to where the exe downloaded
• double click exe
• click next
• make sure it's not trying to install other bloat alongside the app and uncheck the boxes if it does so
• click next
• click next
• click next
• wait for install

• close installer

Installing app on Linux

• open the app center
• type name of app
• click install
• wait a bit
• launch app

[cursive summit]

Kindly, don't ping me ever again

[umbral heron]

Lana woke up

[old marlin]

I mean if you want to you can use the windows store

[dusky herald]

forgot "find the real download button"

[old marlin]

but that is evil cause M$

[wheat plume]

True

[dusky herald]

i mean if you use adblock you only get shown the real download button

and you skip the "dodge malware ridden google ads" part

[wheat plume]

I didn't

[old marlin]

also

[wheat plume]

Oh

[old marlin]

why tf do you close the browser

[dusky herald]

but that shouldnt be a thing to begin with even if it can be negated by adblock

[old marlin]

and manually open file explorer

[dusky herald]

wait what

[old marlin]

you know wtf this is right?

[wheat plume]

Cause sometime clicking the exe in the browser download list doesn't open it for me

[old marlin]

always does it for me

[dusky herald]

skill issue

[old marlin]

same goes for locating

there is this handy tab in the default explorer window

[wheat plume]

Tbf
Last time I used windows
I just installed all the apps via winget commands

So nice

[umbral heron]

Same here, locating sometimes doesn't work on FF, on Chrome no problem tho

[old marlin]

a downloaded file would always appear at the top

[wheat plume]

Wish winget had all the software I needed

Then I'd never need to download exes from online again

[umbral heron]

Vex is scared of terminal, that's why

[dusky herald]

meanwhile firefox users who get to choose exactly where a file downloads to:
i guess you can do that in chromium possibly? i just dont know how

[raw zephyr]

scoop

[wheat plume]

Oh?

[dusky herald]

chocolatey is another alternative iirc

[raw zephyr]

i don't like choco

[dusky herald]

idk i dont really use package managers on windows

[wheat plume]

I've used chocolatey before and it's not great

[umbral heron]

[dusky herald]

assumed as much that you could do that in chromium

[wheat plume]

You can do in every browser

[dusky herald]

ah fair

[wheat plume]

Idk about Safari
Never used it

[old marlin]

not a thing on windows

[dusky herald]

safari is modern day internet explorer

[old marlin]

for like 10 years now

[wheat plume]

What isn't?

[dusky herald]

it has weird ass implementation of web standards and lotsa vulns

i genuinely hate safari

[old marlin]

safari

[wheat plume]

Yeh duh

[old marlin]

I mean it used to be a thing on windows

[umbral heron]

Still, FF has an option to ask you where to download
But it forgets once you restart a browser and points onto Downloads folder again

[dusky herald]

even as someone who daily drives a mac as a 2nd computer alongside a linux/windows dual boot pc

[old marlin]

and they claimed it was faster than any other browsers years after stopping support

[dusky herald]

firefox remembers default download folders per website

if you download from the same website by default itll point to where you saved a file last from said website

ofc you can pick a different one

[umbral heron]

That's even more stupid

[dusky herald]

but it does remember it per url not across the whole browser

[wheat plume]

Oh that's what's happening
I thought it was a thing with the gtk file dialog

Didn't know it was Firefox doing that

[dusky herald]

yeah it does the same on windows and mac

[wheat plume]

Ooohhh very cool

[fleet locust]

hey guys I just bought a 60he that was in stock but its after 3days now my order is still not on the way is that normal？

[reef patrol]

#💬│general message

(Not sure why this is asked in the tech channel but okay)

[dusky herald]

i personally find it kinda useful cause im obviously gonna be saving downloads from modrinth (minecraft mods) in a different place than like nexus mods (which i use for skyrim)

[warm night]

who manually downloads mods

use prism launcher or something man

at least for mc

[dusky herald]

i mean i dont manually download mods much anymore

[warm night]

im sure theres similar for other games

[dusky herald]

i often download through prism launcher

[warm night]

fair

[dusky herald]

sometimes mod authors do a silly on curseforge though and block people from downloading outside of the official site or curseforge app

[warm night]

ah yeah true

i just let those pile up in my downloads folder

[dusky herald]

also modrinth is nicer for exploring and finding new mods

not as easy to explore for mods through prism

since you cant filter searches by category etc

[warm night]

i usually just find them on modrinth then search in prism

[dusky herald]

same

[warm night]

i wonder how garbage itd be without modrinth

[dusky herald]

wdym without modrinth

[warm night]

like

if modrinth didn't exist

[dusky herald]

yeah it would suck

[warm night]

and we were stuck with curseforge

i probably wouldn't play mc half as much as i do

[dusky herald]

curseforge is owned by fand🤮m iirc

yk the shitty wiki site that everyone hates

[warm night]

yea fandom is awful

dunno if they own curse but I can definitely see that

[dusky herald]

they do own curse, thats why gamepedia wikis like the minecraft wiki got eaten by fandom

now minecraft wiki is independent though and left fandom

[warm night]

i think the only modpack from curse I've played since modrinth had decent modpack support was divine journey 2

and that's because its only on curse ofc

[warm night]

ahh

[umbral heron]

They bought off Curse, snatched Wikias and sold them(Curse) in 2020 for pennies

[dusky herald]

oh they sold curse after buying it?

who the hell owns it now

[warm night]

why does my bluetooth audio keep dying aaaa

i just want music

[umbral heron]

MOBA Network via Magic Find I think, but it's swapping hands really quickly

[warm night]

bruh

[dusky herald]

wasnt it owned by overwolf at one point

[warm night]

they had relations with overwolf

ik that

idk who owned who

[dusky herald]

the first time i used overwolf was when it snuck onto my system through a bundler

[umbral heron]

Oh, I'm sorry, they sold CurseForge to Overwolf and Curse Network (forum stuff) to Magic Find

[warm night]

yeah

[dusky herald]

uninstalled it fairly quick but it is actually a kinda cool app if you didnt get it shoved in your face from a bundler

[warm night]

I really do not like overwolf

[dusky herald]

idk its just a kinda neat idea of having the overlay like that

[warm night]

besides it being kinda garbage it's really annoying that it just gets forced on you

[dusky herald]

i still hate it though dont get me wrong

wish curseforge app was standalone instead of shoved into overwolf

[warm night]

didnt the ftb app also force you to use overwolf

luckily ftb has a Linux version

or at least they did

[dusky herald]

idk i just used the legacy ftb jar launcher

[warm night]

mmm

[dusky herald]

when i used ftb

[warm night]

i don't really play ftb stuff anymore either so i dunno now

last thing I played was uhhh

stoneblock 2

i think

[dusky herald]

ftb is part of curseforge now

[warm night]

bruh

[umbral heron]

They still do, for win, linux and macos, but it's build on top of curseforge

[warm night]

no you use prism

smh my head

prism is a fork of polymc

i believe

[dusky herald]

who the hell uses poly after all the devs left poly because of the maintainer being an ass

now all the devs that used to work on poly work on prism

[umbral heron]

Prism is PolyMC 2.0

[warm night]

yep

but ftb got angry at prism and stopped them from doing ftb i believe

so if you want ftb stuff you need to use their launcher but besides that it's just prism

[umbral heron]

Owner of project went apeshit about "reclaiming polymc from the leftoids" or something like that

[warm night]

idk why they are incapable of playing nice

[dusky herald]

if i cant install a modpack into prism instead of using nonsense bloatware its not worth my time

[warm night]

probably

[dusky herald]

especially when theres plenty of amazing non ftb modpacks out there now

[warm night]

there's also plenty of great ftb ones

[dusky herald]

yeah fair

[warm night]

dunno about the new stuff but theres some great older packs

i hear stoneblock 3 is pretty good now

I loved 2

[dusky herald]

the older packs were good but back around the time of those packs i was more of a technic/tekkit person

[warm night]

i see

[umbral heron]

https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/commit/ccf282593dcdbe189c99b81b8bc90cb203aed3ee Something something commies and leftists

[warm night]

i played a lot of tekkit classic around then because my computer failed at running mc versions > 1.5 or something

tekkit classic was 1.2.5 i think lol

[dusky herald]

1.2.5 was actually my first ever version of minecraft

[warm night]

i think same honestly

[umbral heron]

👀

Man, I'm old

[warm night]

i used to have the demo and then go and play 1.2 because for some reason it just gave you the full game

newer versions were definitely out but 1.2 is what i played first for whatever reason

[cursive summit]

Oh is this the story where this Lenny guy went apeshit and the actual dev team left?

[dusky herald]

i owned the full version legitimately when i played 1.2.5

[cursive summit]

The Poly team is now developing Prism

[umbral heron]

Yup, the same

[cursive summit]

Prism's pretty nice

[warm night]

i think i bought the game (on pc) around 1.5 or 1.6 but I'd been playing for years by then

yea it was uhh

£20 something

when i got it

26.99 maybe?

idk my parents bought it for me

[dusky herald]

i think

wait what year was that out

[warm night]

theres no way you didnt exist then

[umbral heron]

2010 was Alpha 1.2

[dusky herald]

cause im 21 currently actually maybe i just dont know my years

[warm night]

bruh

[dusky herald]

then yeah im not a sperm

[warm night]

you definitely weren't

I was 5 then

just a child

[dusky herald]

hopefully i dont get banned over that

just for remembering wrong

[warm night]

if i report you it is possible

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/OdzCTEPkCvI

[warm night]

but like why would i do that

[umbral heron]

I started playing MC when PC Gamer released their demo with Beta 1.5 https://www.pcgamer.com/download-the-minecraft-demo/

[dusky herald]

yeah lol i was born in like 2002

minecraft just feels so old that i thought it existed before me

[wheat plume]

Blogspot and Netflix???

[cursive summit]

Young'un

[warm night]

i played that beta 1.5 demo so much for some reason

even though real 1.5 was probably out then

i used to have this obsession with playing the old beta versions

[cursive summit]

Beta 1.7 was the best Minecraft version

[umbral heron]

There was this funny .jar over the internet, where it installed some stuff to .minecraft and it removed time limit

[warm night]

you could just open another instance of the game

and do some stuff

and it'd load your world

but i remember doing something where my timer was like 9999

probably that jar

[old marlin]

was that the first one with hunger?

[steep creek]

Tesla infotainment display has a Netflix app

[old marlin]

I forgot

[warm night]

i think it was the one before hunger

[cursive summit]

Something something minecrafter or something something minecraft in web browser

[cursive summit]

1.8 added hunger

[wheat plume]

yeh but not youtube or blogspot or chase xd

[cursive summit]

So it was 2 updates below

[rough osprey]

1.7 for pvp

[steep creek]

Lol not sure why those are there

[cursive summit]

1.7 had I think 1.7.1 and maybe even 1.7.2 versions

1.7 was the best cause it had the first and only functional camera mod

[rough osprey]

1.7.10 exists

[cursive summit]

Also, millenaire was a thing at that point iirc, minecolonies, mount and blade, etc

[cursive summit]

We talking beta you pleb

[umbral heron]

1.7.3 was the most played by me, definitely

[rough osprey]

who cares about beta

[cursive summit]

Cause beta minecraft was the best minecraft

[umbral heron]

https://tenor.com/view/im-stabbing-him-ill-stab-him-ill-do-it-plan-cameron-monaghan-gif-15428586

[cursive summit]

I genuinely enjoyed beta minecraft more than any other version of minecraft lol

The mods back then were amazing

[rough osprey]

a version needs optifine to be good

[cursive summit]

Still had to delete metainf though

[rough osprey]

ah a mod player

[old marlin]

you just got too old when full release came out

[umbral heron]

Sodium > Optifine nowadays

[wheat plume]

^

[cursive summit]

Tf is sodium you whippersnappers

Stop talking zoomer lingo I'm too old for this shit

[rough osprey]

tbh im just using badlion now

[wheat plume]

Fabric mod loader replacement for Optifine

[warm night]

i hate going to older versions and then not having sodium and it's like

do i really have to use optifine

[umbral heron]

Sodium is basically mod loader and a new renderer, does wonders on older hardware

[warm night]

because it makes the game take about twice as long to start up and sometimes is straight up incompatible with other mods

[umbral heron]

Also there's Iris, which comes with Sodium and is a blessing when it comes to shaders

[warm night]

I thought older versions of forge (mc 1.12.2) were just slow but it turns out optifine increases startup time by a lot and I was always using it back then

[analog sinew]

modders should just remake mc from scratch at this point

[cursive summit]

Doesn't make much sense to do that

[umbral heron]

Hytale is "in development", so that's that

[warm night]

hytale is never coming out

[analog sinew]

i am also not serious

[cursive summit]

You mean development hell?

[umbral heron]

If even that

[rough osprey]

rewrite Minecraft in rust

[cursive summit]

Wouldn't be surprised if Hytale is just vaporware

[warm night]

i believe there's a server implementation in rust

[rough osprey]

can that handle high render distance and all

[warm night]

idk i dont think its even like

complete

yea it isnt feature complete

[umbral heron]

Oh, Feather! I didn't knew it was in Rust lol

[warm night]

ye

[umbral heron]

Yup, still in early stages unfortunately

[cursive summit]

Also what you are currently discussing technically #🎮│game

Return to monke, return to tech in #🔌│tech

[umbral heron]

On a related note, and tech related - which server implementation is now version "to go"? PaperMC?

[warm night]

yeah well moving a conversation to another channel barely ever works

[dusky herald]

usually its paper

[warm night]

paper/purpur if vanilla/plugin

[dusky herald]

oh huh purpur is the plugin version of it

[warm night]

no it's just a fork with more stuff

[dusky herald]

oh

[warm night]

i think they both change some vanilla mechanics ever so slightly so if you are a technical player then a fabric server with lithium etc is probably the way to go

[umbral heron]

Vanilla, I want to make some simple server for me and my friends to play on weekends, given I finally made Proxmox work

[warm night]

yeah paper is more than enough if you just want a good performing world to play with some friends

you could probably get away with the vanilla server but why would you when paper exists

[old marlin]

my camera driver keeps shitting the bed for some reason

I can uninstall it and reboot

windows gets a functioning driver again

but then it breaks after like 2 hours again

[warm night]

fun

[umbral heron]

Yup, imma just slap papermc with debian in lxc, give it 3 cores and 8gb of ram, should be plenty

[old marlin]

might be that thing ig?

[warm night]

theres a gh repo withthe "best" jvm args to use and stuff

if you want that

i can find it quickly

probably less important on a small player count but you may want it anyway

[warm night]

and yeah it's probably enough though I'd also recommend you pregenerate the world with chunky or something if you know people are gonna be doing a lot of exploring

chunk generation can be taxing on performance

[umbral heron]

Not really, there will like 4 of us, and we are more of a building kind than exploring, still pregeneration would be nice, thanks for reminding me

[warm night]

yeah

you don't need to do a massive radius as you'd just waste disk space

but maybe just do a decent area in each dimension so there's no lag when someone first goes to the nether or the end

[high prairie]

wootility web dead?

my keyboard doesnt wanna connect

[reef patrol]

Sounds like a you problem, in the sense that the connection between PC and keyboard isn't there.

What browser?

[high prairie]

Chrome

it says Unknown Device

[reef patrol]

What exactly is or isn't happening? It doesn't appear in the find devices popup, or you get a red error in the top right?

[high prairie]

I resetted the page data, then trying to initalize the keyboard it shows Unknown Device

wait 1 sec

nvm fixed it by replugging

it happened after the latest firmware

[rough osprey]

so its global shutter

[halcyon moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UAES7F48EUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UAES7F48EU
i should just upgrade the cpu :/

[umbral heron]

I have upgraded CPU in my server lately
To 4590T, but still

[wheat plume]

Im trying to work out this pricing....

15 a month for 48 months
But 52 a month for the first 12 months?

[analog sinew]

"fast forward ads"

god i hate ads

[dusky herald]

when did fast forwarding ads become a feature

[wheat plume]

idk

[umbral heron]

piHole should work still, no?

[wheat plume]

we dont have wifi in this house so pihole isnt an option

[dusky herald]

no because the ads are built into the video

iirc

[wheat plume]

mom has her phone when im not at home with only 10GB data a month

[dusky herald]

well at least from what im familiar with for on demand tv

[wheat plume]

Sky Glass relies on WIFI, so this may not be an option for us

[dusky herald]

what would be an asshole move is if Sky blocked fast forwarding ads on your DVR

[wheat plume]

but its much cheaper than what she pays for now :/

[umbral heron]

Doesn't matter if WiFi or on cable, piHole works on the whole network

[wheat plume]

yeah, we dont have a network

only phone hotspot

[dusky herald]

yes i know but im unsure if the ads come from a seperate domain or even a different video stream

[umbral heron]

Here VODs keep ads on a different server, so it works

[wheat plume]

oo thats good xd until they figure it out and keep them on the same server

[dusky herald]

advertisers: nobody's watching our ads so let's shove them even more aggressively in peoples faces!
advertisers: wait why are even less people watching our ads?

[wheat plume]

but whats the pricing for this?

the wording is strange ...

[vagrant pagoda]

Exactly

[umbral heron]

My guess is that you get Sky Entertainment & Netflix for €27/mo and you pay €15/30 for Sky Glass on top of that, then you can add €6/mo for "fast forwarding ads"

[wheat plume]

Yeah, I guess so

Is 755 Euro for a 43 4K UHD Quantum Dot TV a good price? As a TV on its own, that doesnt seem that bad right?

though idk if its a Smart TV without a Sky Subscription

[umbral heron]

I guess it still is, but without it you're left with YouTube at most if Sky has custom OS there

[umbral heron]

Yeah, they have Entertainment OS there, whatever it is

[wheat plume]

Yeah, Sky always have their own OS on their stuff

We currently have a SkyQ box and the OS is custom

All of the UI is some shade of blue .-.

even the highlight color to show you what element is selected.. so hard to see a slightly darker blue on a light blue background, I hate it

[dusky herald]

also wait why the hell do they want to sell people an overkill tv

cant they just sell a stick or a box with the OS on it

[wheat plume]

They wanna sell their Sky Broadband packages to go with the Sky Glass, Id assume

[wheat plume]

yeah, thats what they did until Sky Glass came along

[dusky herald]

still though i wouldnt trust my cable provider to own my tv and be able to render it inoperable if i switch from their service

even for something basic like using an external hdmi device

[wheat plume]

At least with the box we have, it doesnt matter what TV we plug it into xd

our tv is from 2009 .-.

plasma flat screen, pure vintage LOL

bezel is like 4 inches around the sides

its not high res but the colors are very very good

[dusky herald]

again though your cable provider forcing you to use their tv model and being able to switch it off whenever they want sounds straight up dystopian

[wheat plume]

yep.....

that basically describes modern gaming too though :/

you buy a digital game that the devs can kill at any time they like

even if its an offline game

[umbral heron]

Sky Telescreen™

[wheat plume]

cause offline games still need an account

ALSO, Sky are making a Xbox Kinect clone for their Glass TV :')

[dusky herald]

so yep telescreens

[wheat plume]

its a motion sensor like Kinect you can play games and do video calls with

and it looks like a kinect too....

[dusky herald]

thanks for making the "we control your tv" thing sound even more dystopian

[wheat plume]

like bruh

straight up Kinect clone

[dusky herald]

and you cant even use it with a PC like the actual kinect

and theres some cool stuff you can do with a kinect and a computer

[wheat plume]

LOL workout using it

[dusky herald]

isnt that literally how 1984 cold opens

[wheat plume]

ok, this one might actually be pretty useful for families not living together

unless they also need SkyLive, then not as useful

[dusky herald]

they likely also need it

[wheat plume]

has a hardware killswitch for the camera and mic, HAH...take notes Kinect

[dusky herald]

i just unplug my kinect if im not using it with my pc

[reef patrol]

People watch live TV anymore?

[wheat plume]

You cant disconnect the Kinect from the Xbox One it came with, the consolle wont boot without it

[dusky herald]

its at least cheaper than a gazillion streaming services just to watch what you want

[reef patrol]

That's hilarious.

[reef patrol]

Sure. But it also forces you to watch something at a set time.

I'd never watch anything I actually want if we were still using flow TV here.

[dusky herald]

fair enough but most live tv subscriptions come with on demand now

[reef patrol]

That's nice. Slowly adapting to the times.

I do agree though - Streaming has become to expensive, if you actually start adding up the costs of needing 3-4 (or more if you add in music, books and other media) to it.

It's become popular to include some of these with phone plans here.

[dusky herald]

but the other users on the call probably need skylive as well period
how else would you convince people to install a live camera into their cable box setup other than peer pressure

same tactic apple uses with iMessage and FaceTime to get people into their ecosystem

[wheat plume]

yeh aha

[astral haven]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1794764-REG/sony_ilce_9m3_a9_iii_mirrorless_camera.html
Holy mackerel
120fps at 24 megapixel global shutter

[rough osprey]

u late

new body looks good tho

[astral haven]

What
I'm first to post here?

[cursive summit]

#🔌│tech message

[astral haven]

Ah, just posted a screenshot

Well here's more details

What's rather interesting tho is no speedup for video

[rough osprey]

whats max rn

i guess 4k 120 should be enough

nah

a7siii does 4k60 for longer then the battery lasts in summer

and that was 3 years ago

they should know how to handle the thermals

still 2h

and more

if it doesnt start having heat issues after 2h

will it ever have them

[astral haven]

the a7s3 also does 4k120 with a very minor crop

[rough osprey]

which camera

[astral haven]

yea the fancier you go the longer they run

[rough osprey]

r5 release moment hehe

[astral haven]

well the r5 does 4k30 for quite a while?

oh yea it has 4k120 as well

line skipped just like the a93 😦

[rough osprey]

they fixed some stuff after

but at release it was a big meme

[astral haven]

yea but only in the max modes

yea tbh tho if you arent shooting at night and you arent a pro, your phone can do it

and if you have a cam2api android, even a pro can

[rough osprey]

flights tho

[astral haven]

?

[rough osprey]

gotta need a second phone

[astral haven]

oh if you want to play on your phone while still recording?

[rough osprey]

ye

and battery could also be a problem

dont think you can record to an ssd and use a powerbank at the same time

[astral haven]

nah even apple can do that now

[rough osprey]

how?

[steep creek]

magsafe powerbank & ssd through the usb c

[astral haven]

usb hub fam

[steep creek]

or hub yeah haha

[astral haven]

that unfortunately doesnt work since itll overheat the phone

[steep creek]

hm yeah

[astral haven]

i also learned yesterday that mcpro24fps can record open gate on my phone too

and it can record straight to h265

[rough osprey]

they can do that?

[astral haven]

if it works on a laptop, it can work on a phone

the rog phone doesnt even need a hub, it can just plug both in

[rough osprey]

cool cool

[astral haven]

yea still sad about nothing faster than 120fps at 4k on the a9iii for video

a7s4 should be coming soon tho, so we shall see

[rough osprey]

maybe 180

although i heard more about doing 6k

[astral haven]

requires a 24 megapixel 3:2 sensor for 16:9 6k pretty much

actually slightly more for true 6k, 25.2 megapixel 3:2 needed

actually wow, full frame has outright caught up with MFT

https://www.dpreview.com/products/panasonic/slrs/panasonic_dcg9ii/specifications
the only advantage of the g9 ii is it has non down sampled recording available

[astral haven]

a9 ii announced october 2019
a7s iii announced june 2020
we may be less than half a year away from the new a7s4!

Another fun fact is that Sony phones can record 4k120 as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-IXZFEcOo
oh the pre recording is biig

[rough osprey]

my phone can record 8k

so its better 🔥🔥

[astral haven]

but it cant record 4k120 so its not better

[rough osprey]

dont need that much slowmo

[astral haven]

meh 120fps isnt slow mo any more imo

my monitor is twice that

[rough osprey]

💀

[astral haven]

hfr best fr

[rough osprey]

good video is 24 or 30 fps

[astral haven]

better video is 60fps

[rough osprey]

dont think that will ever change

[astral haven]

and best video is higher

[rough osprey]

60 doesn't look "cinematic" anymore

[frozen ingot]

kinda depends on context

[astral haven]

thats the fault of the DP

[frozen ingot]

I wouldn't want to watch a proper movie in 60fps

would just feel wrong

[astral haven]

i have and its fantastic

[rough osprey]

avatar?

[astral haven]

its just low end DPs dont understand how to use it

yep

[rough osprey]

low end?

[astral haven]

people who dont understand the reasons for the rules, and just follow them

if you do 180 shutter angle for HFR, its gonna suck

[frozen ingot]

has there been any actual movies that's seen releases in 60fps natively

[astral haven]

nah only 48

and 120

[rough osprey]

some scenes are at 48

but mostly to make it better in 3d

not really necessary for the 2d experience

and it should only be used in some scenarios

thats what cameron says

[astral haven]

movies arent nescessary in general

and the reason cameron doesnt like it is bc hes not used to it

the disadvantage of doing what you arent used to is huge when you are at the high level

[rough osprey]

he is right tho

it can look too realistic

[astral haven]

thats a fixable problem

[ashen spindle]

look at spiderman or cuphead where they fix animations at lower framerates to get a certain look

there are ways to adjust for things

[astral haven]

^

[cursive summit]

https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-prioritising-multi-thread-over-single-thread-performance-for-next-gen-zen-5-cpus-according-to-new-rumours/

[rough osprey]

how would u fix that

[ashen spindle]

look at where the rumour comes from

aka disregard that claim

[rough osprey]

not using 180 to add more blur?

[astral haven]

i suspect soon we will have cine sensors record at 96 or 192 fps, and simulate 720 degree shutter for example to simulate 24 fps blur at higher framerates

[rough osprey]

i dont get why tho

Like no one has a problem with 24

[astral haven]

except every single person in the vfx pipeline

[frozen ingot]

hasn't it always been shot at like twice the fps that it actually ends up being released in

[astral haven]

no

the image is only recording half of the time, but the other half of the time its just doing nothing

[frozen ingot]

figured you'd want some margin for editing

and also for different markets

[astral haven]

didnt have that in film, and they are just carrying on the tradition

and movies are all 24p

regardless of market generally

[frozen ingot]

wan't vhs/consoles 30fps in the NA market

[astral haven]

correct

and the movies are still 24 fps

even though the tv plays back at 30

yes it causes problems

[rough osprey]

that could solve the vfx problems tho

just leaving out very 2nd frame in the end

[astral haven]

nope

wouldnt help

[rough osprey]

depends

[astral haven]

each frame would be equally blurred

[frozen ingot]

tbh am a bit surprised they don't but is probably migraine and a half to edit down on analog film

without some digital interpolation thing you'd probably have to do it by hand every other frame

which would be totally unfeasible

[astral haven]

for analog film they just kept increasing the fps until most people stopped getting severe headaches, added an extra 4 fps buffer

[rough osprey]

now we love it

[astral haven]

cause each extra fps is literal money

[astral haven]

speak for yourself

[rough osprey]

rendering vfx at higher fps also takes more time which is money

[astral haven]

other way around toasty

you record at higher framerate, then you track at high framerate,

then once the footage is perfectly tracked, you do your vfx at normal framerate

[rough osprey]

i thought the normal framerate is your problem

[astral haven]

yea i hate it

doesnt mean i hate it for the same reasons as the vfx artists

[rough osprey]

so i meant if they would want to release everything at like 48

it would take longer

(in rendering)

[astral haven]

meh computers are well over 2x as fast as they were years ago

[rough osprey]

have u experimented it with it yourself?

[frozen ingot]

I'm fine with higher fps video for literally everything but movies

but that's also a lot of habit speaking

[rough osprey]

with shooting higher framerate and using different angle / shutter speed

[astral haven]

millions of times faster than they were 40 years ago for the early vfx

[astral haven]

absolutely

[rough osprey]

Can u share anything?

[astral haven]

unfortunately everything that isnt a wall is pii

also my camera only can shoot at 4k60, so im mostly doing timelapse stuffs

[cursive summit]

This is getting annoying, why sometimes we are taking RGT and MLID seriously, and other times not lol

MLID shows some easily fabricated slides, that's real, but this is not

[astral haven]

define fps
just watch ancient interlaced ntsc content 🤣

topaz does a fantastic job of field reconstruction

[ashen spindle]

what do you mean sometimes, RGT has not had anything new since Zen2 infinity fabric

[cursive summit]

And mlid did?

[ashen spindle]

whenever it was correct it was something someone else already did so rgt is either wrong or just posting something that was already out there

[cursive summit]

Last I remember MLID was claiming that Radeon 7000 will be insane or someshit like that

We know how that turned out

[ashen spindle]

yeah like everyone who had pre final tapeout numbers

[astral haven]

mostly i experiment with 720 degree shutter for the insane night vision

[rough osprey]

u on the a7iv or?

[astral haven]

yep

[rough osprey]

cool cool

also in the process of getitng one

but selling on used market kinda weird