🔌│tech

[young pecan]

Then replace it with something, anything else.

[pale sigil]

Bins are a great investment

[celest thorn]

At some point

[pale sigil]

Literally the same things

[celest thorn]

When i have something to replace it with

[astral haven]

very common symptom

[pale sigil]

Add doesn't exist anymore

[astral haven]

nope, they are different

[pale sigil]

Nope

Maybe in murica

[astral haven]

ADHD is a subset

[celest thorn]

They dont use ADD anymore, it got replaced by a subclass of adhd

[pale sigil]

Just like Asperger's

[celest thorn]

Ass burgers

[pale sigil]

No one recognizes it anymore

[astral haven]

now its ASD

[young pecan]

So if we go by the DSM-5-TR because here we do actual science instead of Soruce: Trust Me Bro, I'm not seeing ADD, but rather everything is directing to ADHD.

[celest thorn]

Well the cans are from when i made a giant tower

[pale sigil]

Add is literally ADHD and in most countries is no longer recognized

[celest thorn]

But it fell over last night when i was playing ADOFAI and i didnt pick it up

[coarse cloak]

but guys thats like saying psychopath and sociopath arent real terms anymore cause ASPD exists
people are still gonna be using them tho

[young pecan]

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9871920/

[pale sigil]

Asd is just a general umbrella term

[celest thorn]

Its not that hard

I dont need to go back there?

[pale sigil]

@young pecan most countries changed it but some still recently

[astral haven]

yea so if you are younger than 20, you have adhd, and if you are older than 20 and dont get reevaluated its ADD

[pale sigil]

What

[celest thorn]

💀

[pale sigil]

Murica stupid

Same fucking thing

Different name for age

Gg

[astral haven]

nah

its just when it was diagnosed

[celest thorn]

Dude this is literally just them trying to phase out ADD

Its not fucking real anymore

I hate that

[young pecan]

This is not how it works even slightly. Diagnosis is done in accordance to the DSM-5-TR which has been edited since. If you're older than the current revision you get another diagnosis and then better revision of the DSM is used.

[celest thorn]

It makes me feel like i'm about to get stabbed from behind

[astral haven]

yep
so if you were last evaluated 20 years ago, you would have add

[pale sigil]

Dudeeeeee

[astral haven]

which is why i said or

[pale sigil]

[young pecan]

If you were evaluated 20 years ago you have ADHD because the terminology changed.

ADD got folded into ADHD.

[astral haven]

and how would you know that?

[celest thorn]

Why is this such a hard topic

[coarse cloak]

if u read about the changes, you'd know it

[celest thorn]

Stfu

[pale sigil]

I'm special too @celest thorn dw

[young pecan]

Because they've been studied to be the same thing. The diagnosis hasn't changed, the terminology did.

[coarse cloak]

or if your doc read about it and told you

[celest thorn]

Heart

[pale sigil]

No one is devaluing add

It's still s thing

[coarse cloak]

doc

[young pecan]

It's like when Shell Shock got turned into PTSD, there were never 2 disorders.

[pale sigil]

Ye

Or autism and Asperger's

[young pecan]

That's not true.

[astral haven]

yes
so person gets evaluated in 1999
and gets evaluated to have add
and doesnt go for another psych exam
they would have been told last time they had ADD
so if you ask now, you still need to ask if they have either one of them

[young pecan]

Autism and Asperger's are notably different.

[celest thorn]

Why is it so hard for you to just accept that there is now an extra letter in the abbreviation for an illness

[pale sigil]

Asperger's being phased out is still new tbf

[astral haven]

i accept that

[celest thorn]

Ok good

[pale sigil]

Asperger's is a symptom of autism

[celest thorn]

Now shut

[astral haven]

but when you are asking, you still need to ask for both

[celest thorn]

Nuh uh

[pale sigil]

Medical peeps used to class it as it's own thing to avoid being on the autism spectrum

[wheat plume]

I just blessed my sister with knowledge of KDE Connect

💜

[astral haven]

unless you are a doctor who can actually see the history

[young pecan]

Let me posit you a different situation.

You're fresh out of the trenches of WW2, you saw friends die at the hands of your enemy.
You have Shell Shock
50 years goes past and PTSD becomes the standard norm
Do you have Shell Shock or PTSD?

[celest thorn]

I have horrendously bad adhd

[coarse cloak]

maybe this is super off-topic but could be relevant https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Forum:Psychiatry_is_a_pseudoscience

[celest thorn]

I havent taken my meds in months

[astral haven]

you have both
but if you dont know that it has been renamed, you still need to be told

[pale sigil]

Tbh this is kinda true

But because of the transition

[young pecan]

There is no both, only one. There were never 2 disorders.
The difference is you should always get a rediagnosis if your previous one gets changed for safety.

[astral haven]

dude been chilling for 50 years on his farm and receives the letter from the VA office saying "if you or a loved one experiences shell shock or ptsd you may be entitled to compensation"
If you leave off the shell shock, the dude may not know to file the form

[celest thorn]

Why do i feel like the conversation topic drastically shifts every time i join a chat

[wheat plume]

Yes
....

[coarse cloak]

it's not shifting cause that's the point carmoben has been making this entire time

[pale sigil]

This is because it takes time to transition medical terms.

[coarse cloak]

lol

[wheat plume]

I got back after leaving for 4 minute and y'all talking about ADHD

[pale sigil]

Eventually add will be completely irrelevant

As a term

[young pecan]

That's not for diagnosis sake but rather understanding sake. When the accepted terminology does a shift you let people know what their disorder was known as, and what it is now known as.

[pale sigil]

Maybe it's saying something about everyone in the conversation hahaahahah

[celest thorn]

Mah bad

[wheat plume]

Xd

[wheat plume]

True xr

[astral haven]

if you are a doctor

im not

so I ask for both

[young pecan]

That doesn't at all mean that the disorder you have is Shell Shock, that means the disorder once called Shell Shock is now PTSD.

Usually when you do this you expand the definition and refine it, and very rarely does this invalidate a previous diagnosis.

[celest thorn]

This is like saying that twitter and X are two different things

[young pecan]

^

Yes exactly.

[pale sigil]

Whenever someone says shell shock these days it's more a reference to the world wars.

[young pecan]

X is twitter with extra steps, that doesn't invalidate it being twitter.

[pale sigil]

Vs listed on medical documents alongside PTSD

[celest thorn]

||i thought shell shock was a flash game you play in elementary school||

[pale sigil]

Eventually that'll happen for add

[wheat plume]

Instagram really REALLY wants me to transfer to Threads .....

But I can't.... Literally

This is the 4th time the app wanted to me install threads

[celest thorn]

Tf is threads

[pale sigil]

I can't because I don't want an IG account.

[astral haven]

sure
but if you say did you send an x about that, literally noone will understand what you are saying

[celest thorn]

What

[young pecan]

Which isn’t changing what it is. Societal understanding and the fundamental property of what it is are not the same thing.

[true quest]

old gens won't

new gens will

[wheat plume]

Instagram's clone of Twitter

But it automatically transfers who you follow on Instagram over to following you on threads too

[pale sigil]

Not ATM

[celest thorn]

Wait you understood that

[wheat plume]

So you don't have to re-add anyone

[pale sigil]

But down the line yes

[young pecan]

Yes…?

[celest thorn]

💀

[pale sigil]

The whole point is merging add with ADHD, right now not everyone will understand if but eventually add will be irrelevant

[astral haven]

^

but as of now you still need to ask both

[celest thorn]

Can you please explain cus i did not get it one bit 😭

[pale sigil]

Just like Myspace vs Facebook in a way xd

[young pecan]

Ngl Insta is one of those platforms I avoid like death. Fuck all of that.

[pale sigil]

Everyone forgot about Myspace xd

[young pecan]

Just… nah.

Nah actually.

[celest thorn]

I have to have it because my friends will kill me if i delete it

But i have all the notifications turned off

[wheat plume]

Instagram isn't that bad if you use AeroInsta or Instander

[young pecan]

Looks like those are what we call expendable.

[celest thorn]

And i only check it when someone tells me to look at what they sent

[celest thorn]

U right

[pale sigil]

Insta is hell

[young pecan]

So many people keep trying to annoy me into these various trash apps. The response is and will always be ‘fuck off, no’.

[celest thorn]

They send me memes on it

[pale sigil]

I made an account once and never touched it, I don't and won't ever understand it's purpose.

I only made it to talk to my sister as she wasn't on anything else -_-

[celest thorn]

Its just memes

Thats it

[wheat plume]

How often does Logitech have discounts on their website??

Is it common or did I just get lucky ?

[young pecan]

We have something for that and it’s called r/memes and r/shitposting.

[celest thorn]

Yea

But this is what my friends use

So i'm stuck here

[young pecan]

There's always an answer.

"Nah this is trash, I'm going elsewhere. 👋 "

[pale sigil]

Tbf I have to use Whatsapp for family

So

[celest thorn]

I had to use whatsapp for a school trip once

Then i deleted it right after

And on the second school trip where we had to use it again, i couldnt log back into my account

And then everyone was confused as to why i deleted it

Like

[young pecan]

shrugs If people want to contact me they can do it via email or discord. That goddamn simple.

[true quest]

i would have rather failed the assignment

[celest thorn]

It wasnt an assignment

It was actually a cool trip

We basically just went to vancouver to dick around a bunch

It was awesome

[pale sigil]

Hi Aeon,

I write to you on this fine day to inform you that you are an ozzy twat.

My condolences
Pleasant

[celest thorn]

Lmao

[true quest]

i would have rather failed the school trip

[wheat plume]

Damn
Any school trip I was on was just to some boring activity center and having a crappy meal of badly cooked nuggets and sausages

[young pecan]

Dear Pleasent, I'm glad to hear you're in high spirits.

For your notifcation of my twatness I must direct you to the sky, for that is where my fucks to give have flown off.

For your consideration
Aeon

[celest thorn]

Yea but i took the one specific class that got funding to do cool stuff

Actually no there was another class that got to go to the US

[wheat plume]

LOL FAIR XD
that wasn't a thing at my school

[celest thorn]

So we werent the only class

But we were one of the few

[wheat plume]

Your bio is very oddly specific.... And I'm curious

[celest thorn]

What part

[young pecan]

Based and correct.

[wheat plume]

LG TV community :')

[celest thorn]

Hate those guys

[wheat plume]

🤔

[young pecan]

Ngl tho they're pretty shit.

Why ever at that price?

[celest thorn]

They argue about such stupid shit

[wheat plume]

Such as?

[celest thorn]

And it gets super heated

[true quest]

some of their phones back then were cool

[young pecan]

Ikr. oH mY ScReeN iS bEtTeR.

[wheat plume]

How bad their smart TV UI is?

[young pecan]

Stfu you can't make a software to save your life.

[wheat plume]

LOL

[young pecan]

Or a remote.

[wheat plume]

Or the ads constant

[celest thorn]

No there was this whole thing with like another brand of TV and the wall mount it had or something

[astral haven]

eh they make good hardware, and the last gen stuff goes on sale for real cheap

[young pecan]

YES.

[celest thorn]

And there was like such a giant argument about it

It was so dumb

[young pecan]

Ok sure but so does Sony.

So...

[astral haven]

around here the lgs are cheaper for the same panel

[pale sigil]

Hi Aeon,

I am deeply distressed with this response, please divert all your anger to someone who gives a fuck

Pleasant

[wheat plume]

Sony TV we have is 16 years old and still showing no signs of breaking

[true quest]

sony doesn't sell vacuums

[astral haven]

probably isnt an oled then

[true quest]

checkmate

[celest thorn]

I have a samsung tv, it was on facebook marketplace for $40 and its very big

Also when i dont use it for a while the top left of the screen takes a good 3 minutes for the pixels to turn on

And sometimes it goes pink and fuzzy

But its good

[young pecan]

Greetings again, Pleasent,

My lack of fucks to give was not reflective on you but rather life as a whole, I would wax philosophy about the ordeal but as I have no fucks to give I lack the motivation.
Where o where have my fucks gone? I look high, I look low, my fucks do not show...

Aeon

[astral haven]

ive been low key interested in buying a tv, but id want to go 120hz and oled, and i cant figure out how to mount it to the foot of my bed

[celest thorn]

Gorilla glue and calk with some duct tape

[young pecan]

Clearly thinking way too hard.

[celest thorn]

And a few boards

[young pecan]

Just tape it to the wall.

[wheat plume]

Nice calk bro

[astral haven]

you mean the door?
that is what is beyond the foot of my bed...

[celest thorn]

Thanks

[wheat plume]

Caulk* is how it's spelled

:')

[celest thorn]

Ohhh

Mah bad

[young pecan]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hBtDMH9XMt4?si=NxpHshhgMliitY6h

[wheat plume]

I make mistakes too

I can't spell "definitely" without autocorrect
-.-

[celest thorn]

Oh and an empty paint bucket

[celest thorn]

Yk what tho

Fuck the "correct" spelling of reccomend

I will fucking die on this hill

It should be spelt with 2 c's

[wheat plume]

Recommend
Hmmm

[astral haven]

hmm

[celest thorn]

10% off is a pretty tempting deal

Also that makes your tv look like planktons computer wife from spongebob

[astral haven]

it would be at the foot of my bed so I wouldnt see it really

[celest thorn]

Missed opportunity

[wheat plume]

LOL

[celest thorn]

Make some metal arms to attach onto it midway up and have the hands on the bottom of the tv like its holding up its head

Peak engineering

[astral haven]

could probably mount a tray below it or something

[celest thorn]

Or a comically sized magnet

To hold the remote

[astral haven]

definetly would use my phone as the remote

[celest thorn]

YOU CAN DO THAT?????

[astral haven]

probably just VHB the remote to the back of the tv so i dont lose it

[astral haven]

with any tv id buy yea

[celest thorn]

Oh is it a smart tv thing

[astral haven]

or old phone

back in ma day smartphones had ir blasters

[celest thorn]

I think i might have a phone that has that actually

[young pecan]

Hear me out, hear me out. Use modern TV OSes and just use any phone.

[celest thorn]

Or at least i used to

[young pecan]

Like legit.

[celest thorn]

Smart tvs are like

A lot of dollars

[young pecan]

Did you forget Chromecast exists?

[celest thorn]

And they aren't even very smaet

Oh

That thing

Yea i did

What does it even do

[young pecan]

Everyone did.

Even Google.

[celest thorn]

I thought it was just that thing that you needed to put a heatsink onto to play google stadia

[young pecan]

No.

Chromecast was designed to basically just be a dropin replacement for an integrated TV OS.

[wheat plume]

Xiaomi phones still do

[celest thorn]

Thats sick

[astral haven]

im a us peep
xiaomi phones dont exist any more here

[wheat plume]

I once used my Xiaomi phone to control our ancient Sony tape / CD player

It was magical

[astral haven]

yea and the new ones even use a tv os instead of just receiving casting

[young pecan]

Xiaomi is just such a sketchy company. Would not trust my data on one of their phones.

Just... nah.

Nahh...

[celest thorn]

Thats so awesome

[celest thorn]

My data can go wherever it wants

I dont care

[astral haven]

literally just install your own rom

[wheat plume]

Nah
Their EU ROM is designed to comply with GDPR

And other EU laws

[celest thorn]

My life is a shitpost, none of the multi billion dollar companies are gonna find anything useful in there

[young pecan]

You say that until someone steals your identity and you're fucked for the next 8 years.

[hollow vortex]

rather have the ccp have my data than google

[wheat plume]

LOL

[young pecan]

Most brain damaged take I've ever heard in my life. Holy shit.

[celest thorn]

That situation opens up a lot of joke opportunities

[young pecan]

You've beaten the morons that think user based Root is healthy for Linux.

Gg

[wheat plume]

Used based root?

[young pecan]

Sudo.

[wheat plume]

Oh

[hollow vortex]

at least ccp is far enough from me to not be an issue

[young pecan]

Uhuh, you think that.

They sell their data to basically anyone.

[hollow vortex]

and wont hold me legally accountable for anything

😎

[young pecan]

And when your data gets sold that'll be extra fun.

[wheat plume]

I had forgotten Trump banned Xiaomi phones in US

[young pecan]

Remember lads, it's not a problem until it is.

[hollow vortex]

as long as it can't be tracked back to me

[wheat plume]

Oh it can

[young pecan]

Well shit better hope the aggressive chinese phone isn't stealing trackable data.

Dumbass.

[hollow vortex]

oh and google isn't

[young pecan]

[celest thorn]

What does any of this matter tho

[hollow vortex]

wow what a great alternative

[celest thorn]

Whats the problem here

[hollow vortex]

phones steal data who thought

[young pecan]

Google actively wants to keep your trackable data to sell you ads, they have an investment in keeping it private.

[wheat plume]

Xiaomi phones have a lot of custom ROM support

Just use a custom ROM
Easy

It doesn't break warranty either

Xiaomi provide an easy way to unlock the bootloader

[celest thorn]

Thats cool

[hollow vortex]

they don't have lots of custom rom support and yes it breaks warranty

thanks

[celest thorn]

(i will never make use of it)

[hollow vortex]

in fact xiaomi asks you to wait a few weeks to allow you to unlock their phones

[celest thorn]

Anyways why is stealing data such a problem

[hollow vortex]

there are easily better alternatives

[wheat plume]

My Mix 2S has 90 custom roms and 20 kernels available

[celest thorn]

Someone explain to me

[wheat plume]

And most still get updated

[young pecan]

Let's say someone uses an easy 0day exploit, finds your data, impersonates you and steals your ID, you're really now not going to be able to easily recover your life while they play havoc with your ID. Say an easy social engineering method to get a SIM card shipped to them if they have your email.
Your ID vanishes, you can't recover it because you need your email or SIM, and you lose access to nearly everything.

[hollow vortex]

I dislike getting charged with criminal offense by the government

[young pecan]

^ This as well.

[celest thorn]

So you're saying that if i use a phone someone is going to steal my identity

[young pecan]

InfoSec is actually pretty important these days.

[hollow vortex]

not going but possible

[young pecan]

I'm saying if you be a retard with InfoSec someone can do a lot of things.

[celest thorn]

Whats infosec

[young pecan]

Information Security.

[hollow vortex]

information security

[celest thorn]

Oh

I see

Thanks

[astral haven]

and then ofc takes out a credit card or loan in your name and maxes it out, putting you thousands to hundreds of thousands in debt

[young pecan]

Like here's a good example, aye? Take your own charging cable with you everywhere and make sure it doesn't have data connectors.

There are exploits to allow a bad actor to install random crap in various devices to harvest data over time which can be used to exploit you further. Fully integrated into the cable.

[celest thorn]

Anyways i came to this chat in the first place to ask where the channel is where they post batch updates

I got a little distracted

[astral haven]

yea bc this is the wrong channel

[celest thorn]

Yea lmao

Oops

[steep creek]

#📦│batch_updates

[celest thorn]

Ty

[young pecan]

More solid InfoSec is to use services like privacy.com so a dickhead in the servo can't skim your card and sell the info.

Screw those guys.

[steep creek]

Probably not that feasible for most, but for good opsec wouldn’t you not store any critical information on the phone?

[young pecan]

Yep.

That's a lot of why businessmen have 2 phones.

[astral haven]

as if thats an option these days tho lel

[steep creek]

Yeah lol

[astral haven]

sure but then you have 2 phones that can get breached lel

[young pecan]

Better the breach is on one side.

[astral haven]

I say as someone who has 2 phones

if you take phone calls for your work, its on them to provide the phone

[young pecan]

I more mean like execs.

[steep creek]

Tbf I use my watch more than the phone these days when outside, might as well leave it at home

[astral haven]

sure but then now if someone breaks into either your phone or your watch you are screwed

[pale sigil]

Thought that was Huawei

[astral haven]

them too

[coarse cloak]

if you become a victim of a 0day or someone experienced enough vs standard protection then youre kinda just unlucky as shit

[astral haven]

also zyxel

theres another brand im forgetting

[steep creek]

Yeah now that I think about it, watch has access to a lot of sensitive stuff, mainly through HomeKit

Need a flip phone for optimal opsec lol

[astral haven]

nah

just use enterprise management on the phone, and disable every feature that isnt strictly nescessary

[young pecan]

I'll say it a thousand times and I'll say it a million more: You need to get lucky every time a 0day happens, the bad actor only needs to get lucky once.

[coarse cloak]

yep

[steep creek]

I suppose mdm could be an option, but if you’re just calling and texting exclusively then a smartphone isn’t too interesting

[astral haven]

clearer screen, more text on screen, more customizeable keyboard

more storage for contacts

an iphone costs my company $61

a flip phone costs 120

[steep creek]

I would pick the smartphone no doubt, just people like my grandparents lol, scared of anything else than doro

[astral haven]

thats what management is for

force the smartphone to only open the calling app

[steep creek]

Seems that is isn’t available for regular consumers though, unless I’m mistaken

[young pecan]

It is.

[astral haven]

🤷 just costs money on the apple side of things

its free for android

[young pecan]

^

Like if you want it you can have it. There's no rule saying you can't setup a company for you.

[astral haven]

and not a single one of them need you to actually be incorporated

[young pecan]

Exactly.

[steep creek]

Guess I could just input my regular email

[astral haven]

they usually just throw away emails that are from gmail.com. hotmail, outlook, etc
all the generic ones

[steep creek]

Yeah that makes sense

[astral haven]

as long as you have a nongeneric domain you should be good

if you have iphone and pay for icloud it should be included in your subscription

[bronze rover]

it's included subscription or not, you just have to turn on the setting.

[steep creek]

Very interesting I’ll check it out. I do pay for iCloud

[astral haven]

custom domain?

[young pecan]

Just head over to Cloudflare and buy one. :D

[steep creek]

No the custom email domain is additional cost

[astral haven]

thought they only give you an @icloud.com if you are free

[astral haven]

thought it was included in any subscription?

[bronze rover]

sorry, I was reading through this for context and it looked like you were talking about security.

the whole "fake email" thing.

[steep creek]

They have a new email option now, one sec I’ll send a picture

[astral haven]

yea thats something else entirely

[steep creek]

The iCloud domain is free I believe

[astral haven]

thats privacy not security

[astral haven]

ah sad

[young pecan]

Oh that's cool.

[steep creek]

This is through cloud flare

[astral haven]

interesting

the cheapest icloud sub is $1/month, and thats the price of domain registration lel so i guess its fair they dont include it free

[steep creek]

Yep the only email related feature the iCloud subscription included I believe is email aliases

[astral haven]

btw most providers support aliases automatically

use your email then put "+alias" before the at

[steep creek]

Ah yeah I see protonmail had this feature, but I haven’t looked much into it

It seems useful though

[astral haven]

google and outlook natively support it

my ticketing system also makes use of it which is real funny

[steep creek]

Aha I need to use it tbf, the spam filter does an okay job but some still get through

[astral haven]

My problem is I only learned about it like a week ago so I haven't really made use of it yet

[steep creek]

The timing is funny, because I found out about this feature just last night lol

But it does seem like a very useful feature, I mainly use outlook so it’s nice to have one mail instead of having to switch to multiple

[wheat plume]

😅 🤔

[young pecan]

Oh cool, we can use that thing that's not ext4 or xfs for chads.

xfs > ntfs

[wheat plume]

<any file system> > ntfs

[young pecan]

Uhhhh...hello? Wtf are you mounted to in fresh proxmox...?

This is sus as fuck.

[pale sigil]

ur sus

[young pecan]

Possible it was slightly off and needed a remount.

[young pecan]

Had to remount and then dig into pvecm to remove the systemctl entry. Thx Linux, great OS.

[astral haven]

you ever tried recovery on a hard crashed linux system?

[young pecan]

Clearly not. That shit is just about impossible. This is why we take backups of fucking everything.

Unironically downloading and flashing a backup is faster than safely fixing a borked linux FS.

[astral haven]

i havent either

but its easy as pie in windows

literally 3 commands

[young pecan]

In Linux you better hope your GParted skills are up to snuff if it goes slightly sideways.

XFS is great when it works, any other time it's a case of 'oh god why'.

And it gets worse the more exotic you go. Ceph is not to be touched by anyone that doesn't have an active interest in pain.

[astral haven]

wow

[young pecan]

She did not have a handle of what's going on.

Bro tells you he's the pilot and you're like 'hmm yes I see, you're not the pilot', you ok responder? Long hours?

[jade lintel]

so sad that apple got incredible hardware with raytracing on phone but they got less games than playstation

[jade lintel]

and im talking about games suited for touchscreen. im not fiddling with bluetooth to play with controller for "Resident Evil" on 7inch display or whatever

That conversion layer stuff hopefully will be the end of this shit

[astral haven]

LOL

also keep in mind they are definetly not at the current gen console level

remember 10 series nvidia and vega from radeon can raytrace

my first card to do realtime raytracing was a 1070

but it wasnt tracing very many rays

[astral haven]

and i currently have around 200 games installed on my steam deck

out of my library of around 1400 titles. 1100 will at least run

how many of them will run on the apple?
2?

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/313910/intel-arc-a580-gpu-alchemist-notably-absent-at-innovation-2023-event

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

Got recommended this, this morning https://www.reddit.com/r/LinusTechTips/comments/16pkbd9/interview_with_the_maltese_eu_mep_on_getting_usb/

And my opinion about Apple keeps getting lower and lower

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/TechTabletscom/status/1705357182529613829?t=OISyYGTPa-ZB5BdTXvb7mA&s=19

TechTablets 🇳🇿 (@TechTabletscom)

I can confirm the iPhone 15 Pro Max A7 Pro throttling is bad. Apple needs to cool this chipset properly, just 2 minutes is all it took to lose almost 25% performance to drop to almost 34% after 20 minutes of GPU load. And yes these scores are amazing for a mobile chipset.…

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Twitter · Sep 22, 2023, 11:03 PM

apple moment

the mouse company?

[reef patrol]

[rough osprey]

lol

how are they at 40-45g with carbon fibre

[thick elk]

As long as people are willing to pay...
Besides that the nice way of doing it is to say, okay you get a pre-production sample for that price but also the final version when it comes to market.

They probably don't do that right?

[fickle ore]

They're way too expensive I was looking at them first but theres really 0 benefit

The test version would have been ok pricing wise but 45g? meh

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/MaxWinebach/status/1705468607176589732?t=nO-VrlzpBofzHd1_G2mMyQ&s=19

Max Weinbach (@MaxWinebach)

My 15 pro max charging is getting so hot around the frame while chatting I just can’t hold it

Seriously, it’s too hot to hold while charging

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 6:26 AM

man

[lofty pivot]

is the titanium they're using just an amazing heat conductor or something?

[severe phoenix]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ayaneo-slide-fullkey-board-slide-7840u-handheld/coming_soon?utm_medium=email&utm_id=65&utm_campaign=SLIDE Pre-launch&utm_source=brevo

[ashen spindle]

Ah the weekly aya neo release of a new sku lol

[severe phoenix]

Yep

[cursive summit]

https://gpuopen.com/learn/rra_1_3/

Some cool toys

[hollow vortex]

still waiting on fsr3

they made some huge promises with that

[ashen spindle]

Early fall so should be soon

[thick elk]

Personally not really interested in that, as is I find the visual frame rate to not be a limiting / important factor anyway.
Latency wise sure but visually I do not really care much about probably 40 even.
FSR2 the upscaling itself does not seem to get a major overhaul anyway.

Actually thinking about it, my main monitor does not handle low framerates well, so there is that.

[autumn igloo]

Good morning, is the shape or attack of the KeyCaps the same for everyone? are they universal? I should get a keycap of the ESC key (only one) but the question is aimed at all the keys.

[cursive summit]

After DLSS3 I am VERY interested in FSR3

I wish those fucks ported Antilag+ though for old hardware

[hollow vortex]

they did say it would likely release in september

[ashen spindle]

If they take their time with xvi and do it like xv to showcase tech that would be sick, good RT and interpolation and all, and not just weird hairworks

[hollow vortex]

being compatible with every dx12 title is huge

[ashen spindle]

I only remember them saying early fall

[hollow vortex]

dlss3 is fairly stupid on that regard

[ashen spindle]

It sucks i can’t use it

[hollow vortex]

except for super mainstream triple a titles you dont have anything you can use it on anyways

useless for 99% of gaming

[ashen spindle]

The lag and artificacts just make it feel weird to me

But I also don’t like regular dlss already, feels off to me

[hollow vortex]

well you wouldn't if you don't have to use it

I use it when push comes to shove with like bg3 act 3

fuck that city lags

[cursive summit]

I kinda hope that FSR3 is as easy as drag and dropping some files like with DLSS

You can relatively easily upgrade DLSS1 into 3.5 in that way, just download the DLSS binaries, drag and drop and most of the time, you just get a fuck ton of performance like that

[hollow vortex]

allegedly should be easier

dlss is fairly complicated for anything that doesn't support it

[cursive summit]

I would love to FSR3 in Starfield rn

[hollow vortex]

I am going to fsr3 stalker anomaly

vgh finally good fps on a 2009 game's mod

[cursive summit]

Anomaly doesn't do FSR?

Nor does it run badly on my end at least

[hollow vortex]

anomaly is on a game engine from 2000s man

it will do fsr1 but that is trash anyways

[hollow vortex]

natively it runs well, when you install modpacks like gamma or escape from pripyat it shits itself

super hard cpu bottleneck

[thick elk]

I personally do not like fsr2 for the most part, the artifact when a foreground element moves over a background one are just terriblely distracting.
I honestly would prefer fsr1 in some cases, at least there it's just a decent scaling filter.

[cursive summit]

I play GAMMA and it runs fine unless you have some kind of Celeron

[hollow vortex]

fsr3 is trash yeah

[cursive summit]

FSR3 is trash

[hollow vortex]

my cpu is old so that is a big reason

[cursive summit]

It's not even come out yet you muppet

[hollow vortex]

fsr2 lmao sorry

miswrote

[cursive summit]

FSR2 works just fine

[hollow vortex]

it is trash

looks like you applied a gaussian blur 15 times over

[thick elk]

I only really used it in dying light 2 where it sucks, first thought it was because I ran it on my deck but no it just sucks there.

[hollow vortex]

dlss is super good compared to fsr2, not even a competition there

fsr3 might change that which is super exciting

[cursive summit]

Now you are just bullshitting

[hollow vortex]

literally watch any comparison

[cursive summit]

From "shit" to "super good" is nonsense

When they are comparable

[ashen spindle]

Dlss looks better, still bad enough that I don’t use it lol

[hollow vortex]

fsr2 is super blurry compared to dlss

and people care about how shit dlss can look

[cursive summit]

Yeah I'm not participating in this conversation

[hollow vortex]

1440p is enough

4k gaming is a joke anyways

[thick elk]

When you are already stretching what you can notice / what the game assets provide yes upscaling is going to be less noticable.

[ashen spindle]

Nah 1440p is not enough

[hollow vortex]

there is also the game to take into account

some games work exceptionally well with dlss even at 1080p like bannerlord

and there are those who look like ass even at 4k

[thick elk]

For me, 1440p is a good compromise. If games target 4k it hopefully allows for at least decent frame rates and no upscaling needed on 1440p

I will still say on a steam deck fsr2 can be the least bad option if the game does not run well native.

[ashen spindle]

Speaking of oled, is weird frame rate of news and such still an issue on those? Looking to replace parents tv but I haven’t watched tv in ages

[thick elk]

I still wonder how viable it is for games to move past a generic DLSS / FSR2 step and dynamically scale different elements within a game earlier in the pipeline.
Certain things could be scaled safely, where others are generally troublesome.

Could it be a 50 vs 60hz issue where the broadcast in 50hz and the setup box / app things it's wise to adjust to 60 or something stupid like that?

[ashen spindle]

Not sure just remembered that there was issues with lower hz broadcasts

[hollow vortex]

already being done for game UIs

[thick elk]

UI yes but different elements in the scene is much different.

[hollow vortex]

yeah of coure

because you are a bad engineer

that is an actually good take

fsr3 with skyrim

finally

I can enjoy animation frameworks with 900 mesh/texture/shades at 90fps

[cursive summit]

https://www.neowin.net/news/eu-fines-intel-400-million-for-blocking-amds-market-access-through-payments-to-pc-makers/

[thick elk]

I should at some point, openmw has matured a lot over the years.

[cursive summit]

Only once Skywind releases

[hollow vortex]

bethesda's old release schedule confirmed oblivion and morrowind's remaster in the leaks

from 2019

[cursive summit]

No morrowind remaster

Just fo3 and oblivion

[hollow vortex]

yeah you are right my bad

same schedule had starfield release planned for 2021

[cursive summit]

We'll be lucky if either of those haven't been cancelled yet

Probably have been

[hollow vortex]

or delayed a couple of years

at best

public transit circa 1989

[fair gull]

you mean around 3E 400

[shadow minnow]

Now that’s a proper fine at least

[ashen spindle]

strix halo should see products that run very well without nvidia at all

[frozen ingot]

they're still weird, just boring lazy weird

[young pecan]

Lmao no? Honestly at this stage why ever take an Intel laptop, inefficient battery sucking demons.

[ashen spindle]

Meteor lake is quite good for Lowe power

[young pecan]

I want my laptop to be both gaming rig and 'it'll last 3 days for the roadtrip' boi.

[young pecan]

I mean have they caught up to AMD?

The lower end SKUs were kinda nuts for perf.

[ashen spindle]

In what metric

[young pecan]

Watts/perf ratio at low wattage.

[ashen spindle]

Once meteor lake releases sure

[young pecan]

Perhaps worth keeping an eye on. We'll see.

[ashen spindle]

Till zen5 comes the quarter after

[young pecan]

Was thinking that, yeah.

[ashen spindle]

Ehh for newer cases that’s only partially true

First zen laptops kinda sucked and those models have earlier planning than desktop market so takes a bit longer to get it rolling

But with strix point/halo they should get much better volume and all

The big apu dread was always a thing but now it’s finally realistic to come

All on one soc

It also only barely caught up to phoenix iGpu

Which is impressive for intel after all the years

But not going to make it a massive thing still

Yeah packaging tech is going wild these years and that’s cool to see

[cursive summit]

Well, counterpoint, gaming "APU" was realistic 5 years back with i7-8706G

Took us a long time to get here when 5 years back we already had something that worked

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/nvidia-calls-time-native-res-151627108.html

Uh, fuck off?

DLSS is nowhere better than native

[rough osprey]

💀

[cursive summit]

Also what does DLSS and raster even have in common, how's DLSS "better than raster" when it's an upscaler?

Just cause of the ray reconstructor?

[hollow vortex]

tbf ray reconstruction is more realistic looking with dlss

but everything else is a fucking meme

[raw zephyr]

anyone with 7900xtx willing to do some obs tests for me? wondering how far you can push amf in terms of performance, nvenc does 1440p240 av1 like a charm

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/GPUsAreMagic/status/1663265516230721543

Nemez (@GPUsAreMagic)

Some AV1 encoder testing (before I make it a proper "blog" post).

No 2-pass or preanalysis with this as preanalysis seems broken and I didn't have time to look into it much deeper.

In short, they are quite close, so realistically all are fine for streaming imo. #silicongang

Twitter · May 29, 2023, 7:26 PM

not sure if anyone here has an xtx

[raw zephyr]

cheers, aligns about right with my assumptions

i wonder how big of a performance hit it has compared to nvenc since amf is a single chip design

[thick elk]

Curious that the amd results were done on linux vs windows for intel / nvidia. I don't know in how far this matters but it's not apples to apples.

[ashen spindle]

different peoples system

[raw zephyr]

don't think it matters, they both used ffmpeg

both platforms*

[thick elk]

ffmpeg is mostly glue, but yea I don't think their hardware encoding engines are going to give much different results depending on the operating system / drivers.

[fair gull]

well there can still be a significant overhead in windows

i think it would have been more fair to compare both on the same system and os

[ashen spindle]

https://chipsandcheese.com/2023/09/23/intels-ponte-vecchio-chiplets-gone-crazy/

[raw zephyr]

you are not comparing performance but visual quality

[fair gull]

mb just saw its about bitrate and vmaf

[ashen spindle]

@astral haven

[astral haven]

Yikes

Well let's see next Gen if Intel can learn from their failures

[ashen spindle]

yeah for the amount of tech going into all the tiles it's quite sad at the end lol

[astral haven]

Yep

That's real bad news for mtl too

[ashen spindle]

yeah for mtl I share Ian's sentiment

whats the point of tiles if you dont use it to scale like multiple skus with different tiles and also not use it like v cache where you use older nodes bc something doesnt scale

[astral haven]

Who is to say they won't have different core tiles?

And generationally they will probably keep some tiles

[ashen spindle]

well they dont for meteor lake and not for arrow lake from what we know

no epyc like options where you have 4 to 12 ciplets lol

[coarse cloak]

[astral haven]

well to be fair none of these cards can run it

[cursive summit]

https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-pro-w7900-and-w7800-review-rdna3-pro-vis?page=1&sf268938019=1

[astral haven]

also you can run it on all but vega and 10 series and below it just requires 2 video ports

[cursive summit]

I might be wrong but.. aren't these worthless?

Why would anyone buy a W7900 over an RTX 4090

Or an A series card

[astral haven]

what?

performance hit vs a single monitor of the same resolution?

same resolution being key

tbh i could probably do it

my inland has dual input

amd barely made it lel

20 years between their last top gaming chip and their current one

if 7800x3d had been released just a few months later it would have been 20 years of intel

[hushed trail]

would it be a good idea to get this?

i wanna get 4 sticks but idk if thats a bad idea

[astral haven]

just check if its on the supported list of your motherboard

24gb sticks have been really jank for the most part

[hushed trail]

i mean would it be fast or slow. my bad i didn’t specify

the cl is 40 but the mhz is 8k

[astral haven]

if its not supported, it will be extremely slow

it also depends intel or amd

[hushed trail]

my motherboard will support it whether it likes it or not

[astral haven]

thats not how that works

[hushed trail]

thats not how your motherboard works

its how mine will work tho

[astral haven]

do you want help or not

[hushed trail]

yea how do i check to see if it’s supported

im buying a new pc so it wont go into the one im currently using

[astral haven]

go to the webpage of the motherboard

look for the support list

i run 128gb at the highest supported frequency of my platform before it slows down

fortunately i went ryzen so the frequency wasnt that high 🤣

[loud ember]

A heavy minecraft mod pack

[steep creek]

lol i used to do the same, just not over days hah

those big birch trees burnt nicely

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/geforce-rtx-4090-cannot-handle-samsungs-odyssey-neo-g9-240hz-monitor-limited-to-120-hz

Well.. yes

Blame NV for sticking with DP1.4

[hushed trail]

thank you. its difficult to find out for that ram stick because web site doesnt have every chipset

[astral haven]

btw this is incorrect

it can be done it just requires 2 cables

its pretty obvious lel

they are generally the cheapest name brand

wdym that too

thats my point

theres no such thing its just generally the cheapest

theres a ton of them

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/iOS_App_Dev/status/1705382302388527204?t=gbUATrQjybcoC5zknVA-Zg&s=19

 exDeveloper (@iOS_App_Dev)

iPhone 15 Pro + Studio Display + infiniteX2P Studio Demo.

Use your iPhone 15 Pro as a desktop computer.

Not everything is perfect. If I figure out a way to line up the iX2P mouse cursor and iOS cursor, it's not far from being done.

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 12:43 AM

[astral haven]

yea its basically just dex but several orders of magnitude worse

🤷 what feature could the iphone support from thunderbolt

[old marlin]

support all the hardware that an ipad does

[astral haven]

what does the ipad support from thunderbolt???

it doesnt support multimonitor, it doesnt support pcie

plenty faster transfer speeds available with regular usb

[hushed trail]

@astral haven sorry for the @ but i found what ram is good for the motherboard. only thing is the latency

30-38 or 30-40

[astral haven]

if the ram you buy is on the list youll be fine

dont worry about the cl

its not the same as latency

[hushed trail]

i just want it to be fast but its the choice between 64gb of ram or 128

both speeds will be the same but its just latency and storage difference

[astral haven]

holy shit wtf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS0SItAzEXg

at least the pro non max doesnt fail but jesus christ its been a while since the iphone failed a durability test

[ashen spindle]

wait for apple fans to somehow spin this into a postive

[astral haven]

nah they will just say you are holding it wrong like they always do

[thick elk]

There could be some truth to bad luck, it's still a sample size of one.

[astral haven]

did you watch the video?

[thick elk]

Probably still means a design flaw but the degree of which varies, I did but didn't look too carefully.

restore technique posted one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=133ndub2KzE&t=696s

not the max model though

[astral haven]

heres inside the back of the pro max

[thick elk]

that charging coil is a weak spot that can be depressed enough to crack it seems

glass is not very flexible after all.

[astral haven]

and its not the charging coil that is the problem

its the battery

pressing on the back glass through the charging coil directly puts pressure on the battery

and batteries are flexible

thats a big yikes

[thick elk]

I mean other smartphones tend to have a bit of frame between that.
Still, I don't think it's too bad, as the way it breaks is fairly specific

[ashen spindle]

yet another reason wireless charging is bad even if it's not the direct reason

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9o1J4x0Dp8

[thick elk]

The charge port is going to be a terrible repair, not watched the video you just linked

[astral haven]

its actually not more difficult, just significantly more time consuming

[thick elk]

Usb-c ports have a tendency to break for some users.

[astral haven]

itll depend how apple designed it

if the housing is part of the frame, its unlikely to have problems

[thick elk]

Could be still it's quite a common failure point in general.

[astral haven]

oh shit the housing looks to be part of the ribbon cable

yup the housing for the usb c seems to be a separate module from the frame of the phone

dang you can even see from the outside that its designed wrong

[thick elk]

All a plan to show how much worse usb-c is...

[astral haven]

iphone

samsung

[thick elk]

the port is attached to the housing with the two screws at least

[astral haven]

would have been so easy for apple to do it properly and it would have been stronger since the case of the iphone is titanium

[thick elk]

that should provide some regidity

[astral haven]

cope

[thick elk]

Hey, I don't care at all, would never buy an iphone anyway.

[lofty pivot]

oh is this the new bendgate?

[astral haven]

nah this is at least less drastically worse than others

flex pcb vs normal pcb eh
as long as its not soldered to the motherboard like the macbooks

oh you broke your one usb c port? sorry all your data is lost

at least with the iphone you can wirelessly charge your phone, then wirelessly transfer the data

[smoky frigate]

genius as alwwways

[astral haven]

with the macbook, apple doesnt know how to repair the ports, so if it runs out of battery, you wont be able to charge it, and they will swap the board with your data on it

if you run into this situation. 3rd party repair has you covered ofc

[thick elk]

I will add here that more modern macbook pro's have multiple ports you can use a different one.

but yea my boss had one with a touch bar, screen broke, no longer booted basically e-waste at that point.

[astral haven]

still the same problem if you only use 1 port, and decide not to get it repaired and break the second one

[steep creek]

this is borderline iphone 6 plus tier

[astral haven]

lol nah

this is fixable with a case and ignoring it

[steep creek]

or the closest to it, since that phone

[astral haven]

the iphone 6 and 7 would actually fail to work properly eventually

[thick elk]

while that is true, (there are 4 ports as far as I know) it still gives you a lot more room than if you just have one.

[steep creek]

yeah just considering the price though, you'd expect it to be more durable

[astral haven]

thats on the pros, the air has 2

[thick elk]

still a lot better than 1.
I know soldering the port the way apple does things is terrible in a lot of ways but if one usb-port breaks you can still charge it.

[astral haven]

yep

but again if you break port 2 before you fix port 1 and you let your battery run out

your data is forefeit if you go to apple to get it repaired

[thick elk]

Definitely, I would advice anyone to not go to apple at that point.

[astral haven]

ofc

also good news, the sleep sensor calibration has been figured out for the new macbooks!

[steep creek]

aha thats quite nice

[thick elk]

I will say that sadly apple is not alone in some of these issues, the sleep sensor definitely but bad charge ports and repairs that are basically swapping it for a different unit / wiping data are not Unique to apple.

[astral haven]

its extremely rare on pcs

definetly less rare on phones tho

but phones often have wireless charging

[thick elk]

I don't know how rare it is, I have not had a lot of returns but I did have one on a desktop once 15 years or so ago and they did wipe data there. Of course I could still back things up but still.

[astral haven]

yea people can always mess things up

but its not frequent that its impossible

[hardy oyster]

gsmarena iphone 7?

never heard of it

no

looked it up. it's a phone spec aggregator?

[crisp granite]

wondered why the hell I couldn't get my hands on a cooler

turns out initial batches are still shipping

[cursive summit]

Best spec source on the internet

[crisp granite]

HOW AM I THAT EARLY TO SOMETHING

[cursive summit]

What cooler

You need to cool your nuts brother, so I'm assuming a table fan

[crisp granite]

ID Cooling ID-67XT

[hardy oyster]

I can find fans at costco

go to costco

[cursive summit]

Why that one?

[crisp granite]

as long as it's under 77mm in height, yeah

[ashen spindle]

disgusting, low profile coolers

[cursive summit]

Noctua makes low profile coolers

Plenty other makers

[crisp granite]

because it is the new objective best

[cursive summit]

Are you building ITX?

[crisp granite]

it's the ID-55, tested to be even better than the noctua low profiles

but scaled up a centimetre

more HEATSINK

[crisp granite]

...duh

[cursive summit]

If you are building ITX which is the only reason why low profile makes sense

Go water

Depending on case, water fits

[crisp granite]

my case doesn't support that

[cursive summit]

Far better cooling

Get a better case?

[crisp granite]

trust me, this case is perfect

[cursive summit]

Like brother, look up thermal tests, low profile coolers are really not great

Go water for ITX

[crisp granite]

the only gripe

is the low profile cooler

the ID-55 can easily handle a 7800X3D

[cursive summit]

Depending if the case is good lol

[crisp granite]

the ID-67 XT is...the same cooler design but with more heatsink area

[cursive summit]

7800X3D is beefy

[crisp granite]

this case has plenty of ventilation

[cursive summit]

If the case is some solid panel trash it'll not hold

[crisp granite]

it isn't, at all

wtf lol

[cursive summit]

What are you even fielding

Terra?

[crisp granite]

Raw S1

[cursive summit]

Ah a louqe

[crisp granite]

it has ventilation lol

[cursive summit]

Man, louqe is solid panel trash though?

[crisp granite]

not TONS
but enough

[cursive summit]

You want MESH

[crisp granite]

YEAH IT ISN'T A MESS OF MESH SCREENS

[cursive summit]

MESH! MY BOY!

[crisp granite]

we like it tight

also that PSU cable extension is so extra, not going off at a 90 degree angle...ugh

that hurts my head

[hardy oyster]

I hate europe

[crisp granite]

that's great
but they couldn't have just made it a 90 degree angle, slightly larger housing?

[hardy oyster]

I hope all Europeans cease to exist

[crisp granite]

I guarantee that would mean more space for cable mashing than this current design

[thick elk]

Meanwhile the case I am going to move my system to tomorrow:

[crisp granite]

...

the frick?

[coarse cloak]

thats messed up

[crisp granite]

yep

[hardy oyster]

they're horrible people

[steep creek]

maintenance on that would be interesting lol

im sure the end result looks sweet though

[crisp granite]

I swear you're some RADICAL FEMINIST REPARATIONS ANTI COLONIAL WARRIOR

[thick elk]

Small cases are interesting but if you have the space to spare it really doesn't matter like in my case.
Also didn't pay for the case and my current one is about as large, just more scratched up.

[crisp granite]

...have you seen the Raw S1?

that thing is overkill

the walls are thicker than kalash receiver

I know that's not much of an accomplishment
those are like a millimetre thick in places

still, thicker than many PC cases

tbh
developmental prototypes are technically overbuilt

once you got the whole "it actually works" thing sorted, it's all about shaving weight, making a more convenient package, and making it...less expensive

something some taliban fighters can use a few decades later to push out the american infidels alhamdulillah

honestly though, if an irregular force with tribal levels of education can effectively maintain and field your gear
you've definitely done something right

Afghanistan?

pretty far from Mesopotamia

that...yeah
rather dope
they're making modern weapons
some even functional and with decent levels of fit and finish

with hand tools

👀

japan goes hard

it's modern
and yet clearly "craft produced"

electrically primed...pretty sure that was attempted in a commercial hunting rifle a while back
and it was a commercial flop

considering that was effectively a smooth bore muzzleloader, electrically primed made a ton more sense

much more simple to construct than attempting to make a mechanical trigger that would somehow ignite the powder charge

[empty pasture]

proposing a weird idea but I wonder if theres anything someone can explain to me but im high and I had this weird thought "why arent keyboards solidered to theres PCB and more theres alway a connector made into go the interface like usbc would a keyboard suffers with a soldered wired connection or gain ? IO bwanna do a weird mod witgh my 60HE

[hardy oyster]

why do people hate asus?

[young pecan]

Buddy, this one buys snake oil that doesn’t work to reduce ‘lag’ like putting ferrite cores on keyboard cable.

No possible logic or study is breaching that fortress.

[young pecan]

I mean I don’t see a whole overwhelming hate for Asus. They do some stupid shit sometimes but that’s usually the complaints I see. That and expensive parts.

[hardy oyster]

on reddit people seem to hate them

is that just reddit?

I really like asus stuff

[young pecan]

Reddit is a large series of echo chambers full of people that are self professed tech wizards.

[hardy oyster]

everything related to my PC is made by asus other than my keyboard

[young pecan]

Notice my words. Self professed. Asus is fine usually.

[hardy oyster]

yea, ok. I suspected that

[vagrant pagoda]

asus has so much bloat

but now everyone dose

[young pecan]

^

I miss back when Armoury Crate was considered egregious.

[vagrant pagoda]

but like for a while

asus was the worst

not only software

but bios and board level

[hardy oyster]

ok, yea. I kind of dislike armory crate

[astral haven]

I don't remember Asus ever being low tier bios wise?

And while their boards can be pretty bad, they have never really been the worst, and they have basically always had something at least good

It's also pretty frequent they have the best board of a generation

[vagrant pagoda]

justr bloatr making them unstable

[astral haven]

???

[young pecan]

Yep. Basically the entire lineup from Intel 3000 to 8000 had the best boards. Very, very stable.

[vagrant pagoda]

rog exteme used to be the best oc boards you could get

[astral haven]

And now it's the gene

[young pecan]

Like you had better outliers like whatever EVGA makes for overclocking but that’s hardly a fair contest.

[astral haven]

And the evgas weren't always better

Even when they had a banger

[young pecan]

This is true.

[astral haven]

The x299 dark and Sr series are the only outliers I am aware of

[hardy oyster]

ok, so asus is the best company? Got it

[young pecan]

Was thinking X299, yeah.

[vagrant pagoda]

apex isnt it?

but only in the last few gens

[young pecan]

Asrock doesn’t have Apex.

They do Taichi.

[vagrant pagoda]

gig has been killing with the tachyons

rog apex

[astral haven]

Gig is pretty painful

[young pecan]

^

Overwhelmingly F tier.

[vagrant pagoda]

the tachyon kills at oc and xoc

[astral haven]

The apex board isn't great

[vagrant pagoda]

it holds multiple oc and xoc wr

[astral haven]

But the gene is better

[vagrant pagoda]

where

the apex holds the records

[astral haven]

Like sure you can get a wr with a giga
But good luck passing a stress test

A gene you can daily at xoc settings

[young pecan]

This.

[vagrant pagoda]

same with the apex

[astral haven]

Apex has had issues

[young pecan]

Any goober can use Gigabyte and make it work with study, but the thing is Asus doesn't need the finicking and isn't liable to try and kill itself between BIOS updates.

[astral haven]

And the tachyon I've seen a ton of complaints about

[vagrant pagoda]

didnt they stop making gene?

[astral haven]

Tho I haven't been paying attention to the ddr5 boards, so maybe z690 tachyon or something is good

[astral haven]

Actually not sure, if there's no z790 gene, that would suck

[vagrant pagoda]

i think all desktop class records are on the tachyon or apex

i dont think asus makes any matx

its all itx and atx

[young pecan]

I mean MATX is kinda shit layout tbh.

[astral haven]

Dang I don't see any gene for 1700

[young pecan]

There really are not a lot of use cases for it.

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

90% of people dont need a second card so itx is enough, the rest are going to want full atx

[young pecan]

Pretty much.

And it's not like you can run 2 cards in a consumer build because get fucked idiot, 24 lanes.

[vagrant pagoda]

there is the prime m

thats all asus has for z790 matx

[young pecan]

Legit I will die on the hill that we need at least 36 lanes for modern PCs.

Happily.

[astral haven]

Just get a pcie switch...

[young pecan]

Fuck you, most people can't do that.

[vagrant pagoda]

i miss old amd

[astral haven]

And most people can't use up more than 24 lanes

If you need more, get the switch

[young pecan]

The problem isn't me being able to solve the problem, the issue is most people can use a single GPU and 2 NVMe drives.

Most can't use a switch.

[vagrant pagoda]

32 lands all day

[young pecan]

It's that simple.

[astral haven]

But they can use a single gpu and like 4 nvmes

[vagrant pagoda]

also idk if it was z790 or z690

[astral haven]

No problemo

[vagrant pagoda]

but someone had a matx

[young pecan]

Yes by cutting the GPU allocation in half which takes perf.

[vagrant pagoda]

withonly x4 and x16

[astral haven]

Wrong

[ashen spindle]

we just need more boards that double lanes by lowering it to a lower gen without castrating gpu

[vagrant pagoda]

and trhe x4 sill shared bw with a m.2

[astral haven]

By using the chipset as a switch

[astral haven]

That requires a switch

[young pecan]

Not wrong. We've tested this with PCIe 3.0 GPUs and PCIe 5.0 lanes. You lose perf if you give it 8 actually fast lanes and call the bandwidth good.

If you use a switch with aforementioned gigafast speed? Sure possible. But you run into bottlenecks anyway because NVMe drives and RAID.

[ashen spindle]

think we might see that with pcie6 hopefully since we wont need that really but marketing will still want higher numbers so hopefulyl they offer lanes by just splitting that up or something

[young pecan]

And even then nobody makes and sells that for cheap.

[astral haven]

Yep and that is incorrect
Most boards use the chipset as a switch

[astral haven]

And Noone uses raid

Like actually rounding error people use raid with nvmes

[young pecan]

A lot of people use RAID, especially on the gamer side of things, what given how cheap they are.

Literally buy 2TB of NVMe drives for like $140 and stripe them.

That's not an uncommon use.

[astral haven]

I challenge you to find stats that back that up

[young pecan]

Hang on, phone call.

[astral haven]

That sample more than just people on the hoarder subreddit or something

[ashen spindle]

I know one

[astral haven]

And I know 1, myself, but I know zero who run nvme raid

[ashen spindle]

mr der8auer

[rough osprey]

i would have to ask a lot of gamers to find one that knows what raid is

[astral haven]

That I doubt

Alot of gamers have been around since the hdd days

And hdd raid was a big thing

[rough osprey]

avg gamer buys prebuilt pc

[astral haven]

Maybe but sample a random hundred and I'd suspect at least 10 would at least have heard the term

[rough osprey]

or looks at a best build for x amount of money video

[hollow vortex]

is that the disk operation thing

[ashen spindle]

if we look at older ages they are much more likely to know than if you ask <25 year olds

[astral haven]

Like the second laptop I bought came with raid as a prebuilt

[ashen spindle]

it is becoming less relevant

[astral haven]

Yea the problem with nvme raid is it actually often slows down your gaming performance

[astral haven]

Close enough

[rough osprey]

i mean if we talking avg avg avg they playing mobile games

[astral haven]

Sure but alot don't play just mobile, they also play console and or pc

[vagrant pagoda]

XD

the true cod expereince

[astral haven]

Like it's all about demographic
If you are sampling from the ewaste divers, they are more likely to know about raid, since fast drives don't appear frequently in ewaste, and you'll do anything to push the last few drops of performance out of the pc

[rough osprey]

https://twitter.com/shure/status/1705583660051661175?t=PafOh6DCoYBcnyFN5kTiSA&s=19

Shure (@shure)

It was 50 years of something this year, wasn’t it?

September 27

#ShureNext

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Twitter · Sep 23, 2023, 2:03 PM

all the ytbers and streamers gotta upgrade soon

that would be sad

not that slow tho