🔌│tech

[cursive summit]

So Nvidia will get called out on just not supporting old cards to funnel in more RTX 4000 series sales

[ashen spindle]

you dont want frame gen on switch level

you want a higher base fps than that

so not having it is better

[vagrant pagoda]

thor is way way to big for handheld

its made for AI driven car driving

thor will be like 50w+

[thick elk]

Considering the sales volume of the original switch, Nintendo can negociate for purpose made hardware for them. Unlike when they launched the switch initially after the lackluster wii u sales figures.

[cursive summit]

Ngl I am still not sure if Nintendo having such a close knit relationship with Nvidia is the best move for them

They might want to go AMD perhaps

Better prices?

[thick elk]

Backwards compatiblity is huge for Nintendo they have historically focused on it a lot.

[cursive summit]

AMD likes working with companies, Sony and Xbox have been on AMD for decades

Nintendo could maybe do something with them

[thick elk]

In the low power market there is not much choice right now, without some deep development outside nvidia.

[vagrant pagoda]

like the swtich lmao

[cursive summit]

Especially cause for low-power high performance computing I think AMD is pulling ahead of Nvidia

[vagrant pagoda]

nintendo isnt much to nvidia

[thick elk]

Mostly but not always, they are willing to break if they have to.
And neither their 3ds line of cpu's nor the powerpc wii-u offered a compelling upgrade path.

[vagrant pagoda]

the switch got sheild soc

because nvidia had it

shield was out for years with same soc

and

guess what other product had the same soc?

jetson nano

which is in the same product class as orin nano....

[astral haven]

on x86
automotive is handily dominated by nvidia arm

[vagrant pagoda]

yep

[thick elk]

Like I said, Nintendo probably has higher expectations and would have more room to assemble something fit for purpose for a new Nintendo Switch. from existing Nvidia IP

[vagrant pagoda]

x1 was the last non nvidia core soc too

now they use much better cores

[astral haven]

or it could use off the shelf nvidia socs that nvidia already sells
eg nvidia shield pro

[vagrant pagoda]

i dont think you relise the ratio for nintendos unit numbers, and nvidias

[thick elk]

Of course, that's why I said tailor made from existing ip as in semi custom not a fully custom design.
It could be worthwile as long as the volume is right. That does not mean Nintendo has to be a large portion of Nvidia revenue. Just a portion with specific needs. and a long term supply agreement.

[astral haven]

btw theres a new nano
the Orin nano is quite a bit faster than the original

[vagrant pagoda]

scroll up

XD

or read the next message

[astral haven]

oops lel

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean ASUS couldnt get a custom soc out of AMD for the ALLY, just a custom name

[astral haven]

well they also did get a custom amount of lasering done

afaik theres no other way to buy a 7040 cpu without the ai core

[vagrant pagoda]

the only major suprise is valve and the deck

[vagrant pagoda]

?

[astral haven]

which at this point theres no evidence against the going theory of microsoft having requested an soc, amd making it, then microsoft not wanting it any more and valve picking it up

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

or Su likes dota2

[astral haven]

z1 is the same silicon as the rest of 7040, but it has had the ai core lasered off
so theres no exact identical product

[vagrant pagoda]

its the same as the 7840u

that all the other handhelds use

[astral haven]

except it is missing the ai core

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah to get the tdp down

[astral haven]

thats not true

the ai core is gated

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean they could also just be bios or microcode blocked

[astral haven]

possible but also still technically custom soc work

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean

then the swtich is custom

it has a different tdp profile and chipid

[astral haven]

are those set by the soc manufacturer tho or the implementation?

[latent mural]

You guys need to date already lol

[ashen spindle]

not even that it's not even a rename it's bad bins that likely wouldnt be in laptops xD

so the absolute opposite of special soc

[vagrant pagoda]

other way

it clocks better with less power

[ashen spindle]

it has a different V/F curve set but the silicon quality is worse

[vagrant pagoda]

source? every test ive seen vs the 7840u handhels shows z1 extreme on top

[ashen spindle]

oh it might have been worse bins than the HS

trying to find old discord convos is hard so I'll see if I can find it

[thick elk]

At the very least it makes sense, considering the price of the ally, vs a laptop and the probably higher production / r&d costs.

Having a cheaper bin makes sense

[ashen spindle]

dont think the binning makes a big difference in cost

[thick elk]

Not fundamentally but laptops are very much a known thing for them, copy / paste a previous gen, make revisions where needed.
Here they need to figure out a lot more, put more money in software development, use probably lower volume parts.

[ashen spindle]

the bin difference isn't that massive, they already have the U/HS options some binned for efficency some for speed but same chips

software dev they basically didnt do since its just a windows overlay they add

[thick elk]

Fair enough, still there is more pressure on price with these handhelds, considering the Deck exists and offers a worse compatibility but much better ux

And of course much better price.

[ashen spindle]

with how much aya and co spam SKUs I dont think there is a solid plan on competing with deck and just make their own thing

[thick elk]

Fair enough.

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1699838350017065481

𝐷𝑟. 𝐼𝑎𝑛 𝐶𝑢𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 (@IanCutress)

My best guess for where the EMIB connections are given that we're assuming they're the same IO dies top and bottom, just rotated. The EMIBs are off center on the compute dies by different amounts on each edge. But that would mean the middle compute die is different, not rotated?

Twitter · Sep 7, 2023, 5:33 PM

look at the bottom tile being a millimeter to the side

I bet thats done just to hate people with OCD

[wheat plume]

🤔 I love his descriptions :')

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/u_uap-98Knw?si=27G2yTr_UVeGw1KY

[cursive summit]

Pricing is way too shit

Google was only cool cause they offered decent mid-range pricing

[thick elk]

My brother does the same on linux but that's mostly because he strained is wrists and a trackpad works fine for him.

[cursive summit]

Google breaching the 1000$ barrier is 🤢

[thick elk]

To be fair if you were to call my brother a nerd it would not be much of an insult.

[vagrant pagoda]

nah look at the offest in the connection points on the dies

[crisp granite]

This coming from you

:P

[hardy idol]

https://strawpoll.com/e6Z28mzWGnN

mousepad size poll

[wheat plume]

ani-cli <3

[thick elk]

It better render the video in ASCII art

[wheat plume]

nah, it plays video in MPV :')

OOOO CHROME CAN NOW FOLLOW THE QT THEME

fuck yeah, it blends in so well <3

[raw zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-arch-linux-desktop-productive-drivers-gif-26104738

[wheat plume]

downloading new drivers doesnt happen often, same for the GPU as Windows users LOL

[ashen spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-gif-13718534390039256298

[vagrant pagoda]

i remeber a dial in bbs that just played starwars

[hardy idol]

Hahaha it looks so funny

Bruh if that's the case the form they've chosen is ugly imo

But that's me

Fuck I've overawaked

It's 157 am

I need to go out at 5

Do I even bother to sleep, knowing I am very hard to wake up

Also I've come to the conclusion that designing mousepads is boring as fuck if you're keeping them single colour

Sometimes I don't sleep and I feel more energetic than if I had slept

Anodizing

Uh idk anodizing is a surface treatment right

So it'll mess with the one I want

Yeah anodizing makes it rougher

[final flame]

anodizing can give you any color in that tie dye spectrum

[crisp granite]

you are too

<3

dweeb

[vagrant pagoda]

anodizing is always silver

you just dye it

dye can come out

so its sealed in

[astral haven]

unless you have intel, amd, or nvidia on windows, and just dont bother playing games the week they launch?
you can just walk away from your pc after setting it up the first time and come back to working drivers for all but the newest of games

[crisp granite]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fqG4qR

feedback please

[ashen spindle]

that psu price seems insane but idk SFF prices

[crisp granite]

it really is insane...ly good

for the wattage

to get a bambooler master 1100 wattie boi
many more rubles

[ashen spindle]

tf you putting into the case that you need that much watts

[astral haven]

fyi coolermaster made the best PSU of all time

[crisp granite]

...um

well
I do want to get the next AyyMD flagship to...throw into this

[ashen spindle]

that'll be in 2025

[astral haven]

its quite unlikely that radeon makes a vesuvius adjacent flagship again

and it definetly wouldnt fit in your case without a custom waterblock

[crisp granite]

as long as it's 3 slots and under 320mm in length

which isn't a massive request

it's still a chunky card

[astral haven]

are you aware of the 295x2?

that was the last time amd had the performance crown in a "single card"

[crisp granite]

that was a dual chip card iirc

which really doesn't count

[ashen spindle]

my 4090 does well on the 650w psu I have bc I have lowered powerdraw on it so I think you wont need a 1kwatt psu and could get a smaller one

[crisp granite]

I don't really care for performance "crown"

[astral haven]

it is also the only way that we are gonna hit 600w on a single card

[crisp granite]

could save a hundo going to a 750 watt corsair

the trusty ol SFF mainstay

[ashen spindle]

that seems like a smart move

[hardy idol]

Yeah and it makes the surface rougher

[astral haven]

that one isnt quite enough for a 300w cpu and a 400w gpu in my experience tho

[crisp granite]

eh, saving is more like 50

may as well get the additional 33% wattage for...basically a 25% upcharge

[ashen spindle]

yeah but you pay more for something you never will use xD

[crisp granite]

*might use with the next upgrade

[astral haven]

also keep in mind sfx-l vs sfx

[ashen spindle]

rdna4 wont have a big flagship so if you are set on AyyMD there is 0% chance the next upgrade will use it

[crisp granite]

it's an SFF unit that will fit my case

because my case...has extra clearance

[astral haven]

yea still makes it a pain to build

[crisp granite]

because standards are stupid
said the engineering team

[astral haven]

i have a sf750 and it wasnt a ton of space i had available around it

[crisp granite]

that, like my psych eval
is a pain I feel but once

[astral haven]

uhhhhhh i dont think thats true?

anyways yea sf750 is probably the way to go

[crisp granite]

I don't painstakingly disassemble my PC every time I clean it

I just take it outside, hose it down, and let it air dry

[astral haven]

no the psych eval part

anyways i see no benefit to using anything more expensive than the sf750 unless you go watercooling

[gusty kiln]

HYPEEEE

@prisma crag also 2 episodes of lower decks are out

[cursive summit]

@ashen spindle https://www.rra.go.kr/ko/license/A_b_popup.do?app_no=202317210000256753

New Valve device got certified by Koreans

You need my help?

Uh, I don't have the qualifications to diagnose addictions

Oh yeah since you went full Apple

EU wants Apple to open up the ecosystem to new apps on Mac OS

Cause they think they are gatekeeping, which they are

New thing for you to worry about

[umbral cargo]

Are you interested in android system?

[cursive summit]

They don't know

[umbral cargo]

OK

[cursive summit]

Anyways Fym, whatever you are doing seems fine, keep at it, perfect your craft

Not sure why you are insecure about it

[latent mural]

SF750 is amazing

Mich higher quality cables

[cursive summit]

Chromebooks are very ew anyways

[astral haven]

this is probably alot less debilitating than my issue of trying to find any viable counterarguments to humanity not surviving this century thanks to ai foom (as in literally all dead)

chromebooks are still quite capable tho btw

depending on your apps, chromebook can be more capable than macos

that hiiiiighly depends tho

and macs have the advantage of windows vms, afaik no windows vms in chromebooks yet

both of those statements are incorrect

[fervent atlas]

hey does the tachyon mode still fucks with the rapid trigger?
i feel like it doesnt work properly while enabled
havent tested it tho since 3 months so just wanted to ask around

[astral haven]

android apps inside of chromeos

thats the main argument for extra capability

and linux does have the ability to sandbox everything its just work

im more talking about downloading apks directly from github for example

theres a bunch of random stuff like that

[umbral cargo]

this is really about discord use VPNs. very trouble.

[raw zephyr]

works just fine, make sure you don't use max brightness and/or long cable

[astral haven]

instructions online dont say that?

[latent mural]

@astral haven

[astral haven]

google play and installing apks?

not talking about installing linux

thats strange

maybe i was installing some form of chromeos package not an apk? its been quite a while since i was hands on

o

ffs

ok fin

samsung tablet that supports native dex, + a keyboard case

you get the app count and capabilities of android, + a desktop environment that at least for a single monitor is better at multitasking than macos

methinks you need to get into enterprise provisioning your devices

if its good enough for gov entities, its good enough for me

so the thing with security updates is it depends heavily on the attack surface

if your attack surface is zero, you need zero updates

the larger the attack surface, the more updates you need

my microwave has not received a security update in 50 years

a phone? my grandma's phone hasnt received an update in also about the same amount of time

ah but with enterprise provisioning you can narrow it down to as little as you want

the point is that you cant make overly broad statements, you gotta be specific

[wicked lance]

Do I have to go to a acual pc to fix a setting on the wooting just so it can work on my ps5?

[reef patrol]

Yes.

The keyboard is not advertised as "for consoles, no PC needed"

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5qVMNfQbU

Also keep in mind that analog movement will not work on a PS5 without third party hardware.

[wicked lance]

So I basically need a pc to fix it

[reef patrol]

You need a PC to set up your Wooting keyboard to be compatible with a PS5, because Sony decided to not use nKRO. That is correct.

[wicked lance]

Thanks for your help this help my problem

[cursive summit]

I'm sorry why

Is this a thing

[reef patrol]

Of course not.

[cursive summit]

It's literally a thing

But why

[reef patrol]

It literally is not though.

[cursive summit]

What are you implying

[reef patrol]

Not unless you're installing Linked In as an app or some shit. In which case they can add whatever the fuck they want in terms of shortcuts.

The shortcut does not exist in stock Windows.

[cursive summit]

Cause I just pressed that long ass combo and it popped up linked in into my web browser

And I don't have linked in app and never had it

[reef patrol]

Nothing here. And I am spamming the everliving crap out of the keys

[halcyon moss]

all the modifyer keys XD

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/three-new-meteor-lake-mobile-chips-leaked-worse-clocks

Uh, good, they are on a new node so we should expect power efficiency

If they hit the performance target with just silicon and features alone, they don't need to boost the hell out of them to reach good expected performance, right?

[ashen spindle]

No mtl kinda sucks apart from igpu increases

[cursive summit]

Isn't meteor on their angstrom tech?

So sub-2nm or something

[ashen spindle]

Lmfao no

[astral haven]

Intel 4

[cursive summit]

Couldn't have been less helpful

Ah apparently it's on Intel 4

[ashen spindle]

If tsmc is just on N3 intel isn’t suddenly ahead in process tech

[cursive summit]

Wait what's the upcoming desktop gen?

Arrow Lake right

The one that sucks

[ashen spindle]

Raptor refresh this year

Arrow is late next year

Which means we get zen5 like half a year before arrow lake

[astral haven]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/future-hardware-releases/

[ashen spindle]

So it’s kinda like zen3 and then rocket lake except zen5 should be better

[cursive summit]

We thinking Zen 5 X3D will be a thing?

[astral haven]

Here's a list of all the rumors, mostly uodated

[ashen spindle]

Oh yeah I forgot that exists, has some missing info but nice overview

[astral haven]

Yes

[ashen spindle]

Hate the inconsistency of calling it big.Little and then Hybrid next sentence lol

And it’s missing that we already know N4 for big cores N3 for zen5c and such

[astral haven]

It's definetly extremely vague like many rumors

Strix halo hype tho

[ashen spindle]

Yeee big boi big hype

[astral haven]

Deckard replacement back unit with 100w strix halo, belt mount battery packs

[solemn remnant]

yep, no app and this fucking thing actually works

[fair gull]

it is if you ever had office installed in any form

ctrl+shift+alt+win is what the winkey does on official microsoft keyboards that have it

[reef patrol]

Linked In, not the office one.

[fair gull]

its an office shortcut

[reef patrol]

Also...

[fair gull]

literally just because ms owns it

i can assure you that shortcut is very real

and very unnecessary

[reef patrol]

However possible, I don't have it at least 😄

[fair gull]

im unsure how exactly they work but i do believe they are just registry entries

replacing L with w key should open word

[hardy idol]

L

[fair gull]

x for excel

and so on

y opens some marketing thing

t is for teams

[solemn remnant]

d is for donkey cock

[fair gull]

heres the list https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/using-the-office-key-df8665d3-761b-4a16-84b8-2cfb830e6aff

totally not weird to google office key

[hardy idol]

Dat vind ik wel een beetje.....

[fair gull]

thats their weird marketing thing

also not sure if key order matters for the office key.

might need to press ctrl+alt+shift+win in order

not to mention making sure your win key isnt disabled

[fickle ore]

intel to regain leadership in 2025 using 18A

But not for their own cpus prob :--)

[ashen spindle]

Let’s wait if 18a makes anything first

[fickle ore]

quin btrw do u have 7900 xt

[ashen spindle]

Nah 4090

[fickle ore]

dude

[ashen spindle]

I wanted a xtx but then rdna3 blew up and also VR issues at launch

[cursive summit]

Blew up?

[ashen spindle]

The IP not the physical cards

Aka rdna3 kinda stinks compared to what was planned

Hmm that reminds me though we could see both zen5 and rdna4 being announced at CES

[lament zenith]

The pixel 8 pro is hideous aaaaa

[cursive summit]

They designed it after they looked at a picture of you

[lament zenith]

Amogus

[cursive summit]

Balls?

[lament zenith]

Oenis

[cursive summit]

O?

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/hRSMJGs0YMg

[cursive summit]

Yay, shitty chinese phones

[wheat plume]

TLDW:
The Essential Phone from 2017 died out,
The company died out
The hardware team formed a new company
They didnt have cash
Partnered with Solana Crypto team to get money to make the phone
The fixed the issues that plagued the Essential Phone
They make it so you can only use this phone with Solana blockchain
It's doomed to fail

Priced fdropped from 1000 dollars to 600 in just a year

Chinese?

I dont think Essential team were Chinese

[reef patrol]

[wheat plume]

Unless someone named Andy Rubin happens to be Chinese, but that name suggests otherwise...

O.o

18 euro for one Solana coin

[digital cliff]

best to buy now, tomorrow they could be 36€

[cursive summit]

Lol wtf happened to SOL

SOL was over 100 a few years back

[wheat plume]

Never even heard of it LOL

Every coin was over 100 years back...

[cursive summit]

SOL can be considered one of the more serious coins

Cause it actually "does something"

[wheat plume]

o?

[cursive summit]

Which is providing a platform for illegal activities

[wheat plume]

oh

[cursive summit]

Cause all Solana trades are supposed to be private no matter what

[wheat plume]

how dare they tarnish my good name like that

/s

[marsh glade]

Shitcoins be shitcoining

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/VMkdnj698-0

dont stick your finger into a pool of live balls

[cursive summit]

@dawn epoch https://apnews.com/article/apple-iphone-security-update-0964e8bd5264e5b66c3908d49fdf404a

Dunno why I keep getting this sort of thing constantly recommended

Don't really care for Apple

[steep creek]

haha the timing, i updated to this version just recently

[old marlin]

Also being a lot more energy efficient

Also i think the price fell off when whales cashed out which basically screwed everyone over

[severe phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BVRS87FL/ref=cm_sw_r_as_gl_apa_gl_i_X049SFVRX3Q4PZ68MBJK?linkCode=ml1&tag=espresso004b-20

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1104834999397658807/1149706291648925897/image.png

Only Gold, but a good discount for sure.

[cursive summit]

https://www.cybenetics.com/d/cybenetics_4JH.pdf

Seems.. alright

[gusty kiln]

Looks good

[cursive summit]

Why link the exact same thing

[gusty kiln]

Direct pdf

[cursive summit]

Wow, flex much?

[astral haven]

how many times now has nso gotten around these security updates?

[cursive summit]

Close the tabs and make RSS out of them

I remember RSS'ing a crap ton of webpages years back

Windows used to have features I think for displaying custom RSS on the main desktop view

[halcyon moss]

I like using Feedly for rss

Because I'm from the olden Google reader days

[thick elk]

I use the free version of inoreader for quite some time now, the paid version is just too damn expensive for what it is.

Okay pricing seem more reasonable now, but I will probably switch to something self-hosted at some point.

[floral meteor]

Hey

Got a keyboard

That im building

I have questions

[ashen spindle]

#🔧│keyboard_modding

[floral meteor]

Could somebody call me?

Tech talk is kinda the same thing no? Lol

[ashen spindle]

I mean that channel is specifically for what you want to do

[young pecan]

They were trying to be like the internet for blockchain.

The issue was SOL couldn't handle shit in regards to actual data throughput.

Though I do love the concepts and tech that crypto use. Read only ledger is great in the right circumstance.

Too bad fuckwits like to buy the awful meme coins and not do actual technology. Smh

[cursive summit]

OLED

[astral haven]

eh, its just more expensive for higher image quality

some people take the tradeoff, some dont

[thick elk]

I can see myself getting an oled at some point, but not right now.

[sharp badger]

Would like to buy a μLED monitor but prices on them will probably be astronomical

[thick elk]

Once HDR properly works on linux would seem like a good time.

[astral haven]

meh, if you gotta watch content, just get a good streamer like the shield or new chromecast
and for games you just run windows anyways

[cursive summit]

They'll prolly be consumer affordable by 2030

[thick elk]

I like to use my system on linux and game on the side, I am simply not going to bother rebooting into windows for games

as for content, I use a laptop or something for that on my bed, does not work with a streamer.

It's also a matter of not being in a hurry at all.

[astral haven]

ah well if you gotta torture yourself, then nothing i can do to help

[thick elk]

Linux gaming mostly works just fine, I moved away from the type of multiplayer games that are blocked.
And really using windows day to day seems like torture to me at this point

constant nagware, things not working the way I want them to work, random update downtime. I just much perfer to use linux.

[astral haven]

also fyi as long as you use a media player that does the HDR tonemapping (mpv does on windows not sure about linux) an oled still gets the full benefit

[astral haven]

nagware is a 1 time fix, things not working the way you want them to requires work on windows and linux alike, and linux updates take a whole lot longer than windows in my experience

and i dont use any hardware that needs drivers on linux

yikes

new chromecast is $40 for the same features as the appletv

[thick elk]

Honestly yes there are ways, but it's generally not really there yet, it also was not a clear not going to upgrade because of the hdr situation.
Rather I am not looking to upgrade, once games also work in HDR and things are a bit more mature, it could be about a good time to upgrade.

[astral haven]

keep in mind oled vs lcd is very different story for HDR

at least in terms of software requirements

[thick elk]

In general I just much prefer the workflows I can create in linux, over windows, the way I interact with my own shell scripts and so forth.

Haven't really looked into it much atm, probably will once I feel it is time to upgrade.

As for update times, you just run your upgrade in the background and the next day or if you need to plug in a usb drive after a kernel update it may be time to reboot.

[astral haven]

🤷 its just a matter of what you learned to use

[thick elk]

I used windows for a long time, just think linux gives me a better experience for me / offers me more control.

[astral haven]

and if you learned python, its the same on both

[thick elk]

there is a difference between writing code in python and a quick and dirty shell script for a task you may want.

[astral haven]

to you who learned shell scripts

to me who learned powershell, its quicker to do it in python

powershell is incredibly powerful

not quite to the level of python

[thick elk]

Depends on the task in linux shell scripts tie more easily in the whole system.
quick curl / wget / nslookup / 7z / whatever you may want to automate.
On windows a lot of things are harder to call command line and a lot of windows programs are not made to be interfaced with their cli.

okay the examples may be bad

[astral haven]

again thats your experience

powershell fam

[astral haven]

and literally all of those are available on windows natively

wait is wget even on linux?

thats a windows command

or is that an arch thing im too debian to know?

[thick elk]

I commented bad example, and yes wget is definitely standard fare on linux

[astral haven]

oh icic

yea never needed it

// in windows just does the job

its winget in windows that i was thinking of oops

[thick elk]

right now I am on my laptop so I don't have a lot of my standard fare, the most I wrote is a quick youtube-dl script to download video's from an input file because my internet is shit here.

oh and a simple mount script for my home nas over sftp

[astral haven]

yea and on windows you can just have a browser extension that adds that feature into the webpage itself for a basic example

im confident it would also work in linux

[thick elk]

of course, just like it this way as I just copy a bunch of links and predefined the settings.

[astral haven]

when you think in linux, everything looks like a nail for the command line hammer

[thick elk]

as for sftp even that is possible on windows with some programs and a gui

[astral haven]

pretty sure windows explorer just handles sftp nowdays

[thick elk]

nope it does not handle sftp or sshfs to be precise

well command line things are a far more universal approach, I much prefer it over navigating different gui's especially if the task itself is just repetition

[astral haven]

https://sftptogo.com/blog/how-to-map-sftp-as-a-windows-10-drive/

its the standard map network drive thing
you can also just go // followed by the url

that works in powershell too afaik

[thick elk]

I know about this yes, it's just less convenient than doing it the linux way.

[astral haven]

🤷 because you dont know the windows way?

win+r // url
thats it

fkn backslashes
its \ \ url

[hardy idol]

nah

I am one hour on windows

[thick elk]

First you have to click through multiple installers, not knowing how well the things are maintained.
On linux it's just a standard thing.

[hardy idol]

and explorer + the taskbar crashes twice on me

the 2nd time it forgot it had wifi

so i had to tether my wifi from my phone

fuck this OS man

I don't even know why it does that

[astral haven]

do you know how many keystrokes it is to install a program on linux vs windows?

[hardy idol]

It has GIMP and Solidworks installed and not much more

[astral haven]

this doesnt happen to any of our end users
i did used to have this sort of experience in the past, but mostly it was from doing Sketchy nonsense like I would have done back in xp or 7 era

[hardy idol]

I did nothing actually

I only installed solidworks and gimp

I don't know why this is happening

[steep creek]

windows 11 has been fantastic for me, very stable even when installing somewhat sketchy programs

[hardy idol]

I don't fuck with this OS unless I have to do solidworks.

[astral haven]

how did you install windows?

[hardy idol]

The media creation tool

[astral haven]

did you run the media creation tool on the pc you were installing windows?

[hardy idol]

no

[astral haven]

thats why drivers are missing

download windows using the pc you will install it on

if you are not running linux, it downloads an iso

[hardy idol]

i even selected for another pc but ok

the media creation tool sucks balls then

[astral haven]

🤷 it just uses the drivers that are already on your pc

[astral haven]

blame whoever deleted the OOBE drivers on your current pc

[hardy idol]

nah

we need to blame whoever made media creation tool

[hardy idol]

because i literally never had this issue on any other pc/laptop

[astral haven]

media creation tool is a shortcut that saves hella bandwidth

[astral haven]

yea the issue is with drivers for your specific hardware

[hardy idol]

sure but for some reason this happened

[hardy idol]

why doesnt it just download them itself

[astral haven]

you probably didnt leave it alone for long enough to?

[hardy idol]

but it's not the only issue

because

I've had this since I bought this laptop new

always kind of never stable

ask long term friends of mine

But

very stable on linux

[astral haven]

intel 10th gen?
ryzen anything?

[hardy idol]

no

9750H

2080 max Q

[astral haven]

MSI?

[hardy idol]

32gb ram

[astral haven]

mux chip?

[hardy idol]

what

listen

i dont care about this all

windows apparently cant adapt to new situations

[astral haven]

windows can adapt, its just janky

[hardy idol]

because its a shit OS

[astral haven]

🤷 you hold that opinion and i will never convince you otherwise

[hardy idol]

because all ive had is issues and instability

3 pcs, a laptop

im just kinda done with this shit

[astral haven]

i have used a single windows install on over 100 computers

[hardy idol]

solidworks and thats all i need

[astral haven]

only time i ever had issues was when I manually installed radeon drivers, and when I installed ryzen chipset drivers

[steep creek]

lol funny to me how opposite our problems are. when i tried linux i had strange issues, none on windows however

[hardy idol]

I had issues with my Vega, I had issues with my workstation, I had issues with disk management

[astral haven]

on linux, my monitor shows the top left quarter of my screen at max res and hz

[hardy idol]

what linux

I'm on Arch

[steep creek]

mint and pop, and i also briefly tried manjaro

[hardy idol]

yeah you tried uh

manjaro can be ok ish

[steep creek]

but ive used mint the longest of those

[hardy idol]

mint is better looking ubuntu/debian and therefore still shit

[astral haven]

this is an issue on steam deck
ubuntu has been my most stable linux os, however it is incredibly laggy on slow hardware

[steep creek]

i tried it because it looked similar to windows and heard its a good beginner distro, but was buggy for me unfortunately

[hardy idol]

yeah beginner distros suck

because theyre trying to hard to be windows

no.
its radical and you need to learn

[astral haven]

yea so heres the problem

the OS needs to bend to my will

[hardy idol]

I think beginner distros are horrible to use

[astral haven]

good for you
unfortunately this is a well documented Psychological technique called Foot in the door

[steep creek]

personally i like simpler os, that just do stuff for me, instead of me having to tinker with it etc

ive found that windows fares best with programs i need like quartus or vsc, whatnot

[astral haven]

for you who performed significant actions to make it work, your success over adversity has tainted your view of that adversity to begin with

yea

[hardy idol]

It works though

and is stable

[astral haven]

consider the amount of time spent making it work

[hardy idol]

not much compared to windows actually

setup didn't take long either

[astral haven]

gotta include time you spent learning about how to make it work fam

[hardy idol]

babies cant use windows out of the box either

[astral haven]

ive seen it happen lel

[hardy idol]

you spent a lot of time adapting to windows while using your parents pc when you were young

but for me

its okay if it runs stable

[astral haven]

I did not have access to a computer until 14

[hardy idol]

I can work with windows as long as it runs correctly.

[steep creek]

lol, point is though that most programs will work out of the box for windows, while on linux there are usually extra hoops, and some just wont work

[astral haven]

thats not exactly the point tho

if the stuff you use works, then whatever, its the same

[hardy idol]

I don't think that's it.

[steep creek]

sorry i meant for me, didnt emphasize that

[astral haven]

the point is the investment into learning

[hardy idol]

I don't miss any applications, except for solidworks but that is a really strange application

[astral haven]

slap a user down in front of a windows machine, and they can run updates on it no problem

[hardy idol]

yay

password

enter

enter

[astral haven]

on linux, within 6 months, they would be 6 months behind on updates

[hardy idol]

boom

[hardy idol]

depends

[hardy idol]

youd be suprised at windows users

[steep creek]

i guess it also depends if you have auto updates turned on

[astral haven]

we forcibly disable all besides security updates being automatic
and 50% of users still go in and run them

[hardy idol]

lmao here they absolutely dont

[steep creek]

lol

[astral haven]

you also work in IT?

neat

[hardy idol]

I have it ran by our it guy now

but usually when I checked the office, some PCs were behind by over a year

Now, not anymore because we've basically given that task to the it person

[steep creek]

its been stable for me

[astral haven]

yea we have been deploying it

[hardy idol]

also

funny thing

at one point in time i had 13GB idle ram usage in windows lmao

[astral haven]

unused ram is wasted ram, if your ram isnt full, your os is doing something wrong

[hardy idol]

[steep creek]

haha

[hardy idol]

I actually notice when my laptop has booted windows or linux by fan noise

on linux, it runs passive

[astral haven]

actually not a joke btw

if you go into windows youll notice that as you just let it sit for a while, the free ram will eventually disappear while it preloads programs into ram

IOS and macos also do it

[steep creek]

no yeah i believe it, reminds me of the m2 mac i got to try out, it was using most of the memory despite only having 2 safari tabs open

[astral haven]

thats a different story

web browsers actively consumer ram

[steep creek]

if i recall right most of the memory was still used up when safari was closed

[astral haven]

100% of the ram on this machine is full

[steep creek]

10 out of 16 gigs total

[ashen spindle]

anyone want a powerpoint about next intel server chips mounting platform? https://www.te.com.cn/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=showdoc&DocId=Specification+Or+Standard411-115010A5pdfEnglishENG_SS_411-115010_A5.pdf china company forgot to not just link confidential pdf

[hardy idol]

lmao

btw

wow hole

[astral haven]

linux has the issue of often throwing what should be here in ram onto your drive
this is why having a separate ssd like an optane one for linux can be so helpful to the responsiveness of your system

[hardy idol]

also the antislip base idk how ill cut it because its so thin

i alr know the waterjet is going to absolutely destroy it

[cursive summit]

https://www.techradar.com/pro/microsoft-backed-ai-startup-beats-nvidia-h100-on-key-tests-with-gpu-like-card-equipped-with-256gb-ram

Corsair

[astral haven]

yea its literally just memory bandwidth

[cursive summit]

Wonder how that thing will compare to AMD's Mi300

Which afaik is already superior to H100

[astral haven]

this will absolutely slaughter or get slaugthered depending on the app

[astral haven]

until it runs out of memory and then it will die

[cursive summit]

Weird that Nvidia has such a massive order backlog on a product that's already bested by competitors

[astral haven]

again define bested

[ashen spindle]

cuda, existing contracts, it was out before etc.

[cursive summit]

CUDA is carrying them hard

If they ever made CUDA open source, they would lose a large part of what makes them good

I wonder if AMD would completely ditch rocm for CUDA

[astral haven]

btw its not just cuda

nvidias blas library is pretty insane

[ashen spindle]

just 2 more months and we get details at SC23 and im excited for it

[hardy idol]

technically I'm an AMD supporter but my next build is probably going to be shintel and novideo again

maybe amd can convince me on the processor side

[ashen spindle]

as i said, if it's begin of next year zen5 will be there and intel wont have shit

[hardy idol]

true

motivates me to wait

like what date will we be able to have the zen5 chips in our hands

[latent mural]

7800X3D, 13600k or wait?

[ashen spindle]

its h1 2024, my guess is CES annnouncement

[hardy idol]

mhm i dont want to wait another year though

my laptop literally wont last that long I can feel it

[cursive summit]

SC23?

[ashen spindle]

supercomputing

[thick elk]

If you feel like you need to upgrade, upgrade.
As for amd you can probably upgrade the cpu to something better than zen4 on the same motherboard at some point.

[ashen spindle]

https://sc23.supercomputing.org/

[cursive summit]

We'll get info on what?

[ashen spindle]

mi300

[hardy idol]

mhm well see

[cursive summit]

Don't we already know a lot about it?

What about Mi400

[hardy idol]

the pain is that i need to build an entire system which is expensive

because i now have a laptop because i needed one for school but a laptop well we all know how that story goes

A laptop has 5 years, then it magically becomes a frisbee

[latent mural]

Build a SFF PC

[hardy idol]

oh hell no

big

I like them big

not giant but just

[thick elk]

I should buy a new laptop too, mine is kind of shit from 2016 and tends to crash from time to time.
It works fine for my purposes but it's larger than it needs to be.

[hardy idol]

wow

2016

thats alive for 2 years longer than it was designed to

[latent mural]

Good to know

[hardy idol]

oh god

[ashen spindle]

nothing new

[thick elk]

I don't use it that often, and my previous laptop is also still alive from 2011 but to call it a bit slow is an understatement.

[latent mural]

Dm me on criminal

[ashen spindle]

not really, memory size and some rough estimates

and that its been sampling and sold this quarter

[thick elk]

that old beast was quite nice but a amd e350 is really not usable today, or probably even in 2011

[hardy idol]

reply to me then

[latent mural]

Okay

[cursive summit]

I knew I recognise that level of mental degradation anywhere, it's just criminal renamed

[hardy idol]

vex

don't act like you're an expert on mental degradation

OH WAIT,

YOU ARE!

[cursive summit]

You are very right, I am indeed qualified in the matter

I didn't finish my PhD in Oxford for nothing

[hardy idol]

I noticed

[astral haven]

anyways @ashen spindle and @cursive summit big thing about ai is raw massive memory size and bandwidth
chatgpt-4 chats need to operate on something between 2.3 and 4.6TB of memory
smaller models use less memory

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

[astral haven]

nvidias nvlink allows for incredible bandwidth between gpus, allowing the gpus to each store part of the model, and have the data flow between gpus which individually have a part of the model

[vagrant pagoda]

Why the 80gb soldout

[astral haven]

and the 143gb is incoming

why its 143gb and not 144 or whatever it is is beyond me

[vagrant pagoda]

Is that it only going to be nvlink module?

[astral haven]

you mean SXM?

not confirmed

definetly gonna be sxm first

[vagrant pagoda]

I thought 144 tb was the new full rack?

[astral haven]

144gb

[vagrant pagoda]

No the whole rack is 144tb

It has 256 gpus

[astral haven]

sorry 141GB per gpu

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-reveals-gh200-grace-hopper-gpu-with-141gb-of-hbm3e

[vagrant pagoda]

They are 320gb

[astral haven]

"While Nvidia physically installs 144 GB of memory, only 141 GB is accessible for better yields."

[astral haven]

320gb on the cpu
141GB on the gpu

[vagrant pagoda]

480 I mean

480+I think 96gb hbm

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/announcing-nvidia-dgx-gh200-first-100-terabyte-gpu-memory-system/

Is there newer than that?

So that's increase it over 144tb

[astral haven]

480gb of lpddr5 for both versions my bad
hbm3 version is 96GB
hbm32 version is 141GB
together its over 600GB

[vagrant pagoda]

36tb of hbm and 123 tb of ddr5

[astral haven]

ye
absolutely incredible to have that much unified memory

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

And

Nvidias ai has direct to pcie storage

So there will likely be that much or more in flash

[astral haven]

a 160Trillion parameter model sounds terrifyingly powerful

[vagrant pagoda]

it would take 3 hours to fill that over 100gbit

[astral haven]

I've been listening to all of the AI safety debates recently.
And the counter-foom people have really, really, really weak arguments.

[vagrant pagoda]

wonder why nvidia snatched up Mellanox

xd

[astral haven]

XD

[vagrant pagoda]

that thing need multiple 400Gbit to be effective

[astral haven]

Yea what is it 900gbps per gpu?

Holy shit

600GB/s

4800gbps

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[astral haven]

Mi250 is 800gbps or 100GB/s

Or am i reading that wrong

Oh i am reaxing that wrong

Its 896GB/s

Ok wow thats cool

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[astral haven]

Shame you can only link to 8 gpus not 256

[vagrant pagoda]

they have 18 links at 50

yeah you can

[astral haven]

I meanr mi300

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

but ther is nvlink over 50gb link

[astral haven]

What?

[vagrant pagoda]

nvlink is 50gb/s

they send the nvlink over 50gb

out of the racks

[astral haven]

You got some block diagrams? I would really like to see how they actually do that on the physical level.

[vagrant pagoda]

i dont think any of thats out

but if you look for pics

its over normal smf

[astral haven]

The question is really, is it the same nvlink? Is it the same total bandwidth available? At the same unifying abilities?

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

look at the pic i linked

[astral haven]

Oh linkx?

[vagrant pagoda]

scroll up

there are like 0 picutres of any nvidia cpu systems out there

[astral haven]

This
Where it says linkx?

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/networking/interconnect/

[astral haven]

Ah, yeah, that's using the nvlink protocol

I was hoping they were more have something that would work with larger systems like Infiniband or Ethernet.

[vagrant pagoda]

they have 400g

in each node

two i think

they ahvent shown much

[astral haven]

To be honest, it's probably PTP limitations

[vagrant pagoda]

so its over inifiniaband

The NVIDIA DGX GH200 system incorporates four sophisticated network architectures to provide cutting-edge computational and storage solutions. Firstly, a Compute InfiniBand Fabric, constructed from NVIDIA ConnectX-7 and Quantum-2 switches, forms a rail-optimized, full-fat tree NDR400 InfiniBand fabric, enabling seamless connectivity between multiple DGX GH200 units.

Secondly, the Storage Fabric, driven by the NVIDIA BlueField-3 Data Processing Unit (DPU), delivers high-performance storage via a QSFP112 port. This establishes a dedicated, customizable storage network that skillfully prevents traffic congestion.

so yeah 400g infiniaband

[astral haven]

The question though is, is that for nv link?

[vagrant pagoda]

nope

nvlink is over fiber like i said

[astral haven]

Yea whichis the part im intwrested in

[vagrant pagoda]

its just nvlink over 50g fiber

you arent geting that for under a million sadly

[astral haven]

Obv

But like in the super long term this is just a successor to the tesla s2050 for example

12gb to 144TB per gpu in 12 years

[astral haven]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/starfield-dlss-community-patch/
pretty crazy that modders shoehorning dlss into an amd sponsored title still ends up with dlss being higher quality than FSR

[vagrant pagoda]

well

dosent dlss need training in the game?

or is that marketing wank

[ashen spindle]

thats the old old dlss1.0 thing

if it really was more than marketing wank there

[astral haven]

dlss1 looked alot like an early nvidia ML paper and that one really needed training

[reef patrol]

Training always helps, but it was more crucial earlier on.

[astral haven]

afaik nvidia isnt doing game specific training any more tho?

[ashen spindle]

but we dont know if it actualyl needed training on the game or just any game etc.

any current way doesnt use game specific training anymore

[astral haven]

no like it didnt generalize well at all

you needed to fine tune it to get even decent pssim scores

now who knows if that is what they used in dlss, but while it was SOTA, it did need the fine tuning

i really wish nvidia would publish papers about the new stuff

[ashen spindle]

would be nice if nvidia would make anything public

[astral haven]

they make a pretty significant amount of stuff public

its just they dont open anything that they have that is SOTA

[ashen spindle]

yeah they make stuff public that isnt what people really look for xD

[astral haven]

https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2023-08_live-3d-portrait-real-time-radiance-fields-single-image-portrait-view-synthesis

incredible stuff sometimes

https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2023-08_ssif-single-shot-implicit-morphable-faces-consistent-texture-parameterization

https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2023-08_random-access-neural-compression-material-textures
better image compression

[ashen spindle]

8 people working on it only one is form nvidia lmfao

[astral haven]

and this nerf paper is insane
https://research.nvidia.com/publication/2023-06_freenerf-improving-few-shot-neural-rendering-free-frequency-regularization

[vagrant pagoda]

nvidia is paying though

[astral haven]

theres some stuff where theres noone who currently works there working on it, its just financed by them

freenerf is not one of them tho, and its pretty huge

imagine a nerf based DLSS3

[sly adder]

hello i need help 🙂

[ashen spindle]

#1019755933959733258

[knotty summit]

That is a thing

[cursive summit]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/googles-widely-opposed-ad-platform-the-privacy-sandbox-launches-in-chrome/

So glad that there are ways to get rid of it on android

Shite browser

[severe phoenix]

So, anyone got any suggestions for routers under 500$ that support 2.5gbe?

At least two 2.5gbe ports?

[ashen spindle]

like router as in you use it for wifi too or just a switch?

[severe phoenix]

Just a router, doesn't need WiFi

Been looking at MikroTik and Unifi, but getting what I want sadly seems to cost an arm and a leg.

[ashen spindle]

if you can just use switches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgLU-HT1E64 as for routers no clue

[severe phoenix]

This video is too lon and doesn't just provide the products easily

[cursive summit]

https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/archer-axe300/ there's this thing with dual 10gb

[severe phoenix]

God no

[ashen spindle]

I mean it has a link to the site where the names are and they are linked in the description ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive summit]

AI gave me another servethehome article https://www.servethehome.com/inexpensive-4x-2-5gbe-fanless-router-firewall-box-review-intel-j4125-i225-pfsense/

But I'm not sure if this is a proper router

[severe phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/MokerLink-Ethernet-2-5GBASE-T-Compatible-Unmanaged/dp/B09S5MCYW3?th=1 Yeah this might be the way to go. It's no router, but 400$ cheaper. I really only need the 2.5ge for my PC anyways. The rest could be put through the router.

My old ERX, for only my PC is 2.5gbe enabled anyways

[hasty thunder]

Srsly BMW? Now they've shifted their plans from seat heater subscription to parking helper and such?

God damn it

https://www.golem.de/news/functions-on-demand-bmw-stoppt-abos-fuer-sitzheizung-2309-177497.amp.html

Not only do they already see money for these functions when someone buys the car, now they also want to charge you extra for it?

[steep creek]

lol the tesla was recently jailbroken, this may very well get one too

[rough osprey]

can i install windows on the tesla

[steep creek]

sure hah

https://medium.com/geekculture/how-to-setup-a-windows-and-linux-environment-on-a-tesla-6cadc2a120fa

though technically i dont think its running on the actual mcu

[wide river]

Are there any differences performance-wise between 60HE and twoHE?

[hasty thunder]

nope

they're the same in terms of performance

[wide river]

just different sizes and thats it?

[hasty thunder]

yep

[wide river]

aye thx

[late spruce]

Small difference in terms of reaction time

1ms vs 4ms If i remember it correctly

[wide river]

would love if there was a tkl wireless wooting that would be perfect

[late spruce]

1 ms for 60he, 2ms for twoHe

But you can select an area that will go 1ms and the rest 4ms for the twoHe

[ashen spindle]

huh phx2 looking odd https://twitter.com/BusAlexey/status/1700534630481310003/photo/1

Бусыгин Алексей (@BusAlexey)

@9550pro Here's the (mostly) accurate annotation

Twitter · Sep 9, 2023, 3:40 PM

that lone z4c core on the bottom lol

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/Na1y7DyDe2w?si=RShMambTV4aP40Bi Well will be an interesting watch 👀

"Strix Point" will hopefully make handhelds optimal though

[ashen spindle]

power yes, efficency if it gets finetuned or some company spends enough money and time to get good bins

[sharp badger]

Yeah

[cursive summit]

Hmm, are there any Valve events coming up?

[ashen spindle]

yes

https://www.metaconnect.com/en/home

[cursive summit]

That's... Valve?

Because it seems that Deckard has indeed highly likely gotten certified in Korea

Similar time that Quest 3 also did

Which is peculiar, since that's a Meta event

I don't see anything on Valve attending

[ashen spindle]

ofc not

but remember when index was announced

[cursive summit]

I have no clue when it got announced

But yeah they are getting to I guess finish up on the hardware design process and start certification

So.. announcement impending I suppose

[astral haven]

They already are doing external testing

Of something vr related

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/IbaYeiAr_30

Interesting?

[astral haven]

And yes the index was announced the day of meta connect, tho it was teased a different day iirc?

[cursive summit]

So as far as I'm understanding the vid, Beth is just hammering the SSD with major load areas/screens and is really inefficient

Tbf that makes sense, it's just cell loading

Beth just preloads some cells, and when time comes loads up another chunk of other ones

Which I'm guessing is not a great way of doing things

[astral haven]

What else are they gonna do?

[ashen spindle]

except frames dont even drop there so it doesnt seem to be related?

[cursive summit]

Well, prolly exactly why HDDs are absolutely not supported

The texture load sizes are so massive HDDs would have no way to even cope with SF

And NVMe's which most peeps have at this point can

[ashen spindle]

no I mean it seems it just loads stuff and that goes up to 100% but early enough so no frame drop happens so even slower ssds should be fine and likely even hdds

[cursive summit]

And I suppose can also be why Beth can't figure out how to load up space from earth, giving us seamless traverse

[ashen spindle]

I dont think this shows anything

[cursive summit]

Yeah but this is just loading up a few game cells, albeit in a city, and it majorly hammers the SSD

[astral haven]

Vex
Sometimes you just show the player a lower quality texture while you wait for the higher quality one to load from disk

[cursive summit]

Could be the culprit for no seamless traverse in a way

Seamless traverse would load even more cells, and no SSD could cope

[pale sigil]

No

[ashen spindle]

I dont think it hammering the ssd means anything

[astral haven]

Jumping to conclusions based on incomplete info

[ashen spindle]

at least not what he is showing here

like there is NOTHING but a 100% read activity speak

no frame drop, no gpu render time change

[cursive summit]

That's just cause of gen5 SSD tbf

On my end, when I have the game installed I'm pretty sure on a Samsung 970

I very much have load spikes

[ashen spindle]

more pure speculation

[cursive summit]

Eh, fair enough

But we do need to figure out why the game runs so bad

[astral haven]

its a huge game built on an engine that was not for the ground up designed for that

[reef patrol]

What exactly are you loading in, going into space?

A highly detailed skybox, distant LOD planets? Cloud covers which are generated particles?

[astral haven]

if star citizen can do it, bethesda could have as well

[reef patrol]

Space Engineers as well, and it's a simulation game.

[astral haven]

space engineers definetly doesnt run that amazingly when you have that much complexity

but yea that is also a good example

[cursive summit]

No, not at all

ue4*

Per documentation it was implemented in UE4

Like, Beth should figure it out

[ashen spindle]

starfield for whats it worth seems to be quite optimized from a hardware usage perspective, it just seems that they dont use it wisely, like too many features that dont actually make it look better or something, like the weird textures

[mystic geode]

d'

[cursive summit]

Unless we are talking about a different thing https://docs.unrealengine.com/4.27/en-US/BuildingWorlds/LevelStreaming

[astral haven]

yea but in ue5 its a less manual process or something? they definetly made changes and improvements

[cursive summit]

Looking at that release 4.27 was the last before UE5 was released

Level streaming was prolly early released for UE4 and then updated for UE5 or something

Anyways was one of the very last features for UE4 and definitely a main feature for UE5

[reef patrol]

Yeah it's a real lagfest when gravity and the atmosphere tries desperately to account for your dragon shaped spaceship breaking in.

[cursive summit]

I'm guessing that when it comes to UE4 vs UE5, the whole version number disparity, is that UE5 has too many "under the hood" changes to be easily ported to?

[reef patrol]

But Starfield has zero simulation there.

[pale sigil]

Starfield should have been on ue5

[cursive summit]

No, Unity

[pale sigil]

Yes

Unity

Would be better

[cursive summit]

Tbf Bethesda literally already use features that Unreal has just coded into their own engine, like photogrammetry

Although Unreal just seems far better

Thinking about it, where does Bethesda do better over Unreal?

Load times? Pretty damn fast on Starfield

[pale sigil]

Nothing

Literally nothing

[cursive summit]

Only reason I can think of why not to use Unreal is just retraining

They have a good support team, devs are used to Creation Kit, and it's easy to work with it

[astral haven]

ue5 has entirely seamless transitions, the load times are zero, tho if you have a really slow system it does take time

[cursive summit]

Also, royalties I guess

[astral haven]

royalties are the actual reason ofc lel

[cursive summit]

And for Xbox royalties are prolly really important

[astral haven]

half a billion dollars of revenue so far?

5% of that is an incredible amount of money

[rough osprey]

how do i get a fiber cable connector out of ma wall 🤔

[astral haven]

gonna have to be a bit more specific?

[rough osprey]

tried to get a fiber cable through wall

the connector got stuck

i pull

connector disconnect from cable

now in wall xd

[astral haven]

is the connector somewhere visible?

[rough osprey]

nah

:/

[astral haven]

buy a new connector

[rough osprey]

hmm

gotta get someone to drill the hole bigger maybe

[empty solar]

who is using signalrgb ?

[hollow carbon]

more of a artemis rgb fan

[knotty summit]

artemis better than wootility?

[reef patrol]

For RGB? Yes. At the cost of using CPU power to do the animations.

You can only do so much without an active connection between board and software to do advanced stuff.

[mortal saddle]

Any guides to recommend for beginers?

[knotty summit]

Ah okay, well my laptop and pc both got good CPUs tho laptop has no GPU

[knotty summit]

Oki

[astral haven]

Oh wow, DF found some parts where FSR just falls apart

https://youtu.be/ciOFwUBTs5s?t=338

@prisma crag you can deal with this right?

Thanks!

[astral haven]

lol and even tho it heavily favors amd, it also uses very little vram

https://tpucdn.com/review/armored-core-vi-fires-of-rubicon-benchmark-test-performance-analysis/images/vram.png

even vram filling is low

gonna be lower than this tho guaranteed

[fickle ore]

is that with memory compression or not?

Suggest you to disable memory compression

oh lol vram nvm

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/16e9rqc/in_starfield_you_can_actually_be_disk_io_bound_at/

optane? :3

[ashen spindle]

was posted above, I dont think it actaully is "bound"

and just does predictive loading

[fickle ore]

Well it drops the gpu usage to 0 for a sec?

[ashen spindle]

it didnt drop the fps even once did it?

like 100%ssd read load but fps were still the same

[fickle ore]

its smoothed out you can't see it but drops low

[ashen spindle]

there is a tiny drop but nothing close to what just random spots in the city do

[fickle ore]

yeah, doesnt really line up with the big drops

Oo

[astral haven]

also fyi starfield has poor cpu optimization, and decompressing assets from the ssd might actually be causing the cpu to increase load for a short period

[gusty kiln]

@prisma crag you watched the lower decks episodes?

hybrid meatball

[pale sigil]

I think my router keepss overheating xd

Poor thing is still cramped in the back with this heat

[vagrant pagoda]

We need desktop dimm optane lol

Surely

[astral haven]

meh

directstorage will handle it, anything that goes through the OS would have the same overhead anyways

[vagrant pagoda]

I agree is compression

Its why the Skyrim high res pack is harder to run then real 2k textures

[ashen spindle]

yea we should get more devs like the original crysis!

[astral haven]

to be entirely fair, crysis did look and run great, and if they were correct about hardware scaling, it would also have scaled very well

they just were ultra wrong about how hardware would scale

[ashen spindle]

it was a joke because crysis was really badly optimized and not even their estimate (super high clocks) makes it scale well

[astral haven]

what?

[ashen spindle]

not to mention stuff like the objects with wayyy too many polygons

[astral haven]

if any modern games besides potentially HLA were as well optimized as crysis, id be over the moon lel

with extremely minor tweaks mostly just texture quality and luts, crysis holds up nowdays in terms of looks

[vagrant pagoda]

not at launch

[astral haven]

crysis 2 had issues, but crysis 3 is still holding up directly today

[vagrant pagoda]

warhead fixed a ton

[astral haven]

eh, i suspect that if you took launch crysis and ran it on a modern pc it would be mostly fine

but i cant test that

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

but same for oblivion

when it lauched

its like starfield

nothing ran it well

[astral haven]

sure but oblivion looks bad

today

skyblivion is hype but oblivion does not look good

heres another thing

by optimization i mean performance/looks not just performance

osu is insanely awfully optimized despite running in the thousands of fps

[vagrant pagoda]

that isnt optimized then

there are games that look better and used less

[astral haven]

compared to crysis?

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

[astral haven]

name more than 5

[vagrant pagoda]

same year

bioshock

[astral haven]

bioshock looks awful