🔌│tech

[raw zephyr]

8 cores

[astral haven]

so multiply by usage by 2 to get what youd get on a quad core

2x5 =10

it goes into the 12-15 range and you can probably blame that on slower memory speeds, but its still sizeable

[raw zephyr]

i have no idea what you are doing tho, if you record in 1080p and output to 1080p, there is little to no power needed

[astral haven]

im talking obs doing jack

it consumes memory and cpu cycles

[raw zephyr]

cpu is only used for scaling

[astral haven]

and on ryzen thats pain

[raw zephyr]

your nvidia overlay is probably eating more memory and cpu cycles

[astral haven]

🤷 look fam the fps does what it does

its been a while since battlenonsense tested it, but the nvidia overlay recording had the lowest penalty in his testing

i havent noticed obs get any less heavy on my streaming setup, so i cant imagine what sort of difference we would expect to see

actually hmm
come to think of it was that using nvenc_new

new is a relatively new thing, im not sure that testing was before or after the inclusion in obs

hmm it was before nvenc_new

[raw zephyr]

i think that's just a naming scheme for nvenc 7th gen and newer

[astral haven]

its not

its a different api that allows you to avoid an extra copy from gpu memory to system memory and back

not that that matters for instant replay since obs has to pull it into memory for the buffer

[raw zephyr]

now when i think about it unless you use nvfbc shadowplay will come on top, but you will be very limited, there are little to no options inside shadowplay

[astral haven]

oh thats right
xai are you using instant replay or recording?

[raw zephyr]

replay buffer yes

[astral haven]

hmm then i have no idea

ryzen?

[raw zephyr]

9900k

[astral haven]

oh yea my laptop with a 9900k was a hell of a lot faster for instant replay than my 5950x is

[raw zephyr]

https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/obs-nvfbc.796/

[astral haven]

its probably related to the incredibly awful memory design of the iodie

[raw zephyr]

don't think this is possible inside windows

[astral haven]

just got a p100 lel

[thorn cypress]

this always broke for me

[raw zephyr]

nvfbc should be on-par with shadowplay's performance, but you will have much more options

[astral haven]

uh no

well not modern shadowplay

modern shadowplay literally doesnt ever send raw frame data to the cpu

[raw zephyr]

no idea why there is no "expert mode" button in shadowplay

[astral haven]

because they do a ton of janky stuff under the hood obviously

its quite clear that there is some game dependent fuckery going on because the encoding acts quite severely different in different games unlike what can practically be automated with obs

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-7900-xtx-offers-higher-generative-ai-performance-per-dollar-than-nvidia-rtx-4080-after-990-speedup/

[astral haven]

lol amd is definetly a contender in ai

[pale sigil]

Is that sarcasm

Ohh it isn't

Oh this is a bit misleading it seems

It's still shit at using most models....

Apparently Nvidia is nuts with olive?

[ashen spindle]

Super computing 23 is when we get more info about mi300 btw, it’s already shipping but general info only there and not really earlier it seems

[shadow minnow]

Text recognition on images is cool.
Like MacBook spotlight can now show you an image with you just typing it inc don’t have to open photos app or anything

[pale sigil]

So you can type ur mom

[shadow minnow]

On a serious note usually I use it to like fidn image of my passport when I need it or such

[hasty thunder]

ok, i was kinda bored while my friends were working at my car and took apart my spare Aerox 5 wireless. I'm fucking disappointed at SteelSeries

mechanical switches only, the wheel is only secured on 1 side, the side buttons use cheaper switches compared to the main buttons, the sensor is outdated as hell aaaaaaand god fucking damn it, the battery was glued to a piece of plastic so hard that i had to pry it off carefully, which took me 5 minutes

i'm expecting more from a mouse that started at 150 bucks at its launch

[latent mural]

Maybe someone can help i need a motherboard am5 preferably mAtx ITX is fine too. I was going for the b650m elite ax which apparently has terrible coilwhine.

Cpu is gonna be 7800x3d

[cursive summit]

https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/amd-b650-motherboards-are-coming.17915/page-2#post-269509

The MSI one seems to be cheapest

MSI B650 Edge

Reviews seem positive

Although hella expensive boards, you sure you want to build SFF?

ASrock PG Riptide is hella affordable and is mATX

Should fit in cases like Meshlicious

[latent mural]

I had an eye on that one but 500 bucks in my country…… idk if its worth. I just wanna play games no OCing or such

[cursive summit]

You should not spend more than 300 at very maximum

Even 200 imo is a ripoff

Most I'd ever spend is up to 200 USD

[latent mural]

Ye thats why i wantes to go with the elite ax its 230

[cursive summit]

Yeah similar pricing here

[latent mural]

But i dont want coilwhine

[cursive summit]

Don't get it then

[latent mural]

And msi doesnt seem to be good either. Asus expensive af

[cursive summit]

What about MSI MAG B650m?

[latent mural]

Msi reviews are worse than GB coilwhine 😂

[ashen spindle]

Put some glue on it if it really whines that’s much

[fading cloud]

Are Mainboards for Am5 that expensive?
Damn building a PC now is expensive af

[ashen spindle]

Small form factor always costs more

But yeah pcie5 and all needs more layers on the pcb too and adds more cost

[cursive summit]

Get a MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI

Similar price as Gigabyte

Most problems were solved with BIOS updates

It's a brand new platform, issues will always crop up

[fading cloud]

I kinda hope than that my current build lasts long

I would have to upgrade many things

PSU, CPU , mainboard,ram, CPU cooler

Oh well

[ashen spindle]

Ddr5 will go down in prices still and cpu coolers you don’t need the high end for gaming anymore with amd so won’t be that bad at least

[magic rampart]

I think MSI the best for motherboards

[ashen spindle]

And if it lasts one or even two more gems you’ll have a decent uplift

[cursive summit]

Tbf considering 7000 series CPUs are way hotter than 5000 series, it is justified to get a higher end air cooler, no?

[ashen spindle]

I think any broad statement like that is always wrong

[magic rampart]

On average

[frozen ingot]

msi used to be budget junk in the 00s

[latent mural]

Ye i wanna go for AM5 cause their platforms last long

Not every year or 2 years new socket like intel

[cursive summit]

Like I mentioned, MSI PRO B650M-A WIFI

[ashen spindle]

Doesn’t matter, they have super shit boards or nooses too so no point to look at averages

[frozen ingot]

I think most brands have good and bad boards

[magic rampart]

I used to prefer Asus over MSI

[cursive summit]

MSI seems to have had issues but BIOS updates fixed them up

Get the board, update, see if any problems crop up

Return if bad

[latent mural]

Why nit anymore?

[magic rampart]

I don't know why anyone would buy gigabyte or ASRock

Rip EVGA

[ashen spindle]

I got gigabyte because no other board had the IO I wanted aside from mike 300$ more

[cursive summit]

Dumb ass brand loyalties lol, "this is bad but this isn't"

Gigabyte is for me one of the only mobo brands I never had problems with

[ashen spindle]

Before that I had asrock because it was the cheapest for my 8600k that had what I needed

[cursive summit]

ASUS was absolute trash and still is

[magic rampart]

There is no brand loyalty why do you think I switched from Asus to MSI

[cursive summit]

ASUS installed a bunch of spyware that still runs in the background of my system

Gigabyte didn't, and worked well

[magic rampart]

I'll switch up the second I find something I find better

[frozen ingot]

my gigabyte boards in the 00s and early 2010s were super solid

[magic rampart]

User issue this is completely avoidable

[frozen ingot]

they seem to have fallen out of favor

[ashen spindle]

Msi in the same am4 gen had a board that would throttle hard and overheat and also one that was great value, going by brands just doesn’t make sense

[cursive summit]

Got a B550I AORUS PRO AX for the SFF build, I am really hoping that it's the rev 1.1 model cause rev 1.0 uses an Intel chip

Which funnily enough is worse than a mediatek amd chip on rev 1.1

Best in class VRMs, great I/O

Pop in a BIOS update and it's gucci

[magic rampart]

MSI tomahawks were great forB550 and X570

Asus was also making the best 3080s

By far at entry level

Like the same heatsink as the strix

[fading cloud]

even for my ryzen 5800x, the cooler can only maintain 88C under full load.
Which is inspec but barely under thermal throtteling, MAX temp for that cpu is 90C

[ashen spindle]

No because heat does not mean anything for how much power it draws and converts to heat

[magic rampart]

Tru

[ashen spindle]

60W cooler will cool 60w on either just the temps are ending up differently

[fading cloud]

the reason they are hotter, is because their IHS, is bigger to fit AM4 mounting kits

hence delidding market for Am5 is bigger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_jaS_FZcjI
he got around 20C lower with delidding - though it was a 7950x

[hasty thunder]

ok, we were kinda bored at the garage and ran some funny benchmarks to see what AMD is capable of with their current drivers. Path Tracing Run was for shits and giggles and the last one was a 100% full OC run

[cursive summit]

Why

[old marlin]

maybe you lke your games to not look blurry as shit

[cursive summit]

FSR2 doesn't make games look blurry

Hell, FSR1 on quality is still fine

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

How's that copium if I just played games with FSR1

[old marlin]

idk legit every upscaler I have tried so far looks crap

[cursive summit]

I quite like FSR2

FSR1 is very limited beyond quality, don't use any other preset that isn't quality

FSR2 though is nice

[hasty thunder]

for reference: OC vs standard 6800XT performance without RT

[hasty thunder]

FSR makes the results unreliable tho

did you ever see a tech reviewer enabling DLSS and running benchmarks? No, because it can totally invalid the results

same goes for FSR

[cursive summit]

Well, yes, actually

Mostly for DLSS reviews But also for normal card reviews too I think

[ashen spindle]

Too bad there aren’t any reasons for people to really OC the XTX would make for fun comparisons

[cursive summit]

Although this is exactly why tech reviews are not representative of gaming performance for the most part

You have the reviewer superimpose the DLSS/FSR/vanilla image and be like "LOOK HOW THIS LOOKS"

When in reality when playing the title there is virtually no difference cause your brain is focused on playing the game

[severe phoenix]

Truly a LTT Moment

[hasty thunder]

ok, just for you we did 2 benchmarks FSR enabled. 1st one's standard settings, 2nd is OC'd to the max

[magic rampart]

🙄

[cursive summit]

Yeah, not great

But tbf not like RT really matters

[hasty thunder]

compared to Path Tracing without FSR it's a 200% performance increase

[cursive summit]

AMD is just good cause 99.9% of games that don't have RT run better than their counterparts for cheaper

[magic rampart]

So like 0% of any big budget games coming out

[cursive summit]

Now slap FSR3 on it and it'll be 4K60FPS with RT overdrive

Might be a non functional slide show but it's 60fps

[magic rampart]

How is it a slideshow if it's 60 FPS

This is breaking my brain

[solemn remnant]

because it's generating fake frames

[magic rampart]

Ahhh gotcha

Frame generation reference

[hasty thunder]

actually that's a wrong assumption, but Vex' also wrong either way

[magic rampart]

? I'm saying every game with a big budget has Ray tracing these days

Can you think of any big title that doesn't have it coming out?

[hasty thunder]

AMD definitely improved RT on their RDNA2 over time and the 6800XT is basically very close behind the 3080 in terms of RT

without RT the 3080 eats dust

[ashen spindle]

Idk I don’t look at it because RT is still not useable for me with a 4090 in almost all cases

[hasty thunder]

Because you're an enthusiast playing at 4k maxed after all

[magic rampart]

Oh 4K

[ashen spindle]

No ultrawide 1440p

[magic rampart]

I'm 1440p, obviously you have to use dlss

16:9 here

[ashen spindle]

Dlss looks bad

[magic rampart]

Depends on the version

If you don't know what preset c is your opinion is invalid

[ashen spindle]

No I notice issues in any version so I dont use it

[cursive summit]

I really have no clue why you people are so hard bent on RT

[fading cloud]

Nyumi, i kinda trust you beter on judging. How problematic are the amd drivers now?

[cursive summit]

Why would I with a budget 27" 1440p panel care about RT

Like, seriously, why

[magic rampart]

That's the exact panel I use

[hasty thunder]

1080p, so i don't have to rely on DLSS or FSR unless there's something like CP2077 swallowing FPS like crazy

[fading cloud]

with 5700 gpu, it was horrible

[magic rampart]

Except I don't use budget

[reef patrol]

What the fudge does raytracing have to do with resolution?

[cursive summit]

If I ever had a QD-OLED at 4K then I would consider buying an RTX 4080 or so anyways

[hasty thunder]

depends on what you wanna achieve

[cursive summit]

Cause RT won't do shit to make it look any better anyways

just tank performance

[reef patrol]

Bullshit.

[magic rampart]

Vex is brain dead

[reef patrol]

RT is as valid at 480p as 2160p. It's all about accurate lighting and reflections.

[fading cloud]

hahahaha. great, so it is just like with the 5700. Gaming it is okay, everything else is ass gotcha

[cursive summit]

Clue was "budget", I am not buying a 4080 when I have a budget display

[ashen spindle]

My drivers on my 6800 had less issues than my 4090 had

[cursive summit]

RTX 4060 isn't running cyberpunk or anything else with good graphics any better than an 6800XT

[hasty thunder]

that's actually bullshit as fuck. Run a CP2077 benchmark yourself with and without RT. There are obvious differences

[cursive summit]

It's not like Nvidia is pricing their cards very affordably either

[ashen spindle]

You are drunk today I think lol

[magic rampart]

There's a good YouTube channel called Ray tracing Revolution or something

It's night and day

[magic rampart]

Copium overdose

[old marlin]

yea the thing that makes RT less valid is the shit implementations not anything else

[cursive summit]

Yeah I would love to buy an RTX 4060 for the same price as a 6800XT and make RT run at good framerates

[hasty thunder]

that's a wrong assumption. They're great for gaming and other stuff as well. RDNA2 is just not great for streaming i.e. due to AMDs laziness of improving the encoders on them

[cursive summit]

Like 20FPS at best without frame interpolation

[fading cloud]

Here is a list I had problems with, my card - yes I got frustrated that I created the list

[magic rampart]

How come all AMD brokies talk about is money

[old marlin]

lumen is "based on" ray tracing (whatever that means) but you can basically make VERY good GI with it

[ashen spindle]

Why are you talking about fps when you talked about visual looks

Can you decide what you are on about please

[cursive summit]

Cause why would I care about visual looks when the game doesn't even run properly?

[magic rampart]

Buy a better card

[cursive summit]

If you want to use RT for visuals then framerate also contributes to the experience

[ashen spindle]

???? What is this about then

[cursive summit]

And RTX 4060 isn't going to run RT at a framerate where the experience is any good

[old marlin]

the 4090 barely is fast enough for some ray tracing titles

[severe phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778887485400154132/1143511659785236530/image0.jpg

[old marlin]

also "just have money" is a dogshit opinion

[cursive summit]

Last time I played games at <20FPS on ultra, they looked shit just cause of choppyness

[magic rampart]

Don't deny things that are better just cuz you can't afford it

Am I going to say some 100 million dollar mansion isn't better than my house

[old marlin]

ok just buy your wooting aftermarket

to get it quicker

[hasty thunder]

these issues do not exist anymore on RDNA2 and newer

[cursive summit]

Did you lads completely forget how low end gaming used to feel?

Or never even experienced low end gaming?

[nimble canopy]

As a Linux gamer I hate novidia drivers

[old marlin]

ok so if your house has any issue the solution is to just buy a better house

[magic rampart]

I don't want to buy it when someone else has had it and maybe the newer batch will be better?

[fading cloud]

Hmm yeah, I cant tell without getting a RDNA2 card. Either way, I will stick to a nvida for a very long time

[old marlin]

just buy a better house

[magic rampart]

I'm not going to delude myself into thinking my house is not worse

[old marlin]

just like buy your own keyboard company

make a better keyboard

go on do it

[magic rampart]

If somebody can't save a couple Grand

[old marlin]

what are you waiting for

[old marlin]

maybe people have more than 1 thing to spend money on

can't save a couple grand on everything

[nimble canopy]

If your homeless just buy a house

[magic rampart]

That's their choice then

[old marlin]

if you can't even save a mil

why even bother

[old marlin]

so do they not deserve options?

[hasty thunder]

they became a solid choice if you don't give a fuck about stuff like Raytracing at the top level and streaming

[magic rampart]

People really like to blow things out of proportion

[old marlin]

people really like to not want people to get a good deal

[hasty thunder]

for online multiplayer games i'd definitely go with AMD tho

[old marlin]

because the 4090 certainly isn't

[hasty thunder]

since those usually do not have RT

nor need to be streamed

[magic rampart]

Did you know that there's cards between the 4060 and 4090

[old marlin]

amd encoder is just as good while performing better

[hasty thunder]

depends, RDNA2's encoder sucks ass

[old marlin]

you mean the anemic and overpriced ones?

yea I do

[hasty thunder]

or it's just Twitch sucking ass

[old marlin]

why spend money on nvidia

[hasty thunder]

or both

[old marlin]

when AMD gives you the same performance for less money

[magic rampart]

It doesn't if you enable Ray tracing in anything

[old marlin]

well we need a good ray tracing title before that

[magic rampart]

There's lots

[old marlin]

lumen basically does not care about what vendor you use

[old marlin]

no good one

as in good ray tracing

not good title

[magic rampart]

Metro Exodus enhanced is great

So is cyberpunk

Dying light two looks way shittier without it

[old marlin]

graphical differences are marginal

[magic rampart]

Blind

[hasty thunder]

He means a good title people are willing to spend money for, like BG3

[cursive summit]

Looking at the conversation it's become clear what the problem is, and why RT justifiers are so hard bent on supporting RT, it's called a lack of care for world economics

[halcyon moss]

the cyberpunk full rtaytracing looks a lot better!

[old marlin]

no just a good ray tracing implementation

they all run so horrible that I would just leave it off

[magic rampart]

These people are blind

[cursive summit]

Cause when you can afford and RTX 4080 no problem, RT runs in a good enough fashion when you don't see a problem with the whole thing

[old marlin]

while not looking that much better

[hasty thunder]

You forgot Control, huh?

[cursive summit]

When you live in a country where you get 800$ salary a month, a good card and rig is beyond the reach of a lot of people

[halcyon moss]

but quite often the details are so minor it doesnt matter much

[old marlin]

the game was shoved down my throat so much with marketing that I skipped it

but also was not impressed by the ray tracing implementation

[magic rampart]

🙄

[old marlin]

one of the typical "every floor looks wet" kinda deals

[hasty thunder]

but yeah, the most significant difference in RT vs no RT currently is CP2077

[magic rampart]

Metro Exodus enhanced is pretty big too

[old marlin]

mostly effects you could achieve in more efficient ways

[magic rampart]

Anything with rtgi

Rt global illumination is big

[old marlin]

runs like ass in comparison

so uhh

no thanks

[magic rampart]

On AMD yeah

I'm averaging like 120 FPS plus

[old marlin]

I don't ahve an AMD card

[hasty thunder]

that train's long gone... software RT was a thing, but the industry didn't give a fuck

[magic rampart]

I don't even think Metro Exodus enhanced runs worse than the original game

Iirc

[old marlin]

UE5 does afaik

[hasty thunder]

uh... only partially

[old marlin]

not 100% sure

but imo lumen so far is the pretties looking GI

which does not use direct rtx?

[old marlin]

whopping 105.9fps average on a 4090 at 4k

[halcyon moss]

Isn't software rt real hard because it requires absolutely massive amount of calculations?

[old marlin]

wowee

[old marlin]

teardown still did fine

obv runs worse than just straight up rasterized

[magic rampart]

Imagine playing in 4k

[hasty thunder]

kinda, that's why it tanks FPS, but not as hard as hardware RT

[old marlin]

can't afford a few grand for a good screen?

[magic rampart]

What dlss preset is this even on what is this source

I prioritize frame rate so I go with 1440p

[old marlin]

dlls

yea I use 1440p uw

[magic rampart]

That's what you linked bro

[old marlin]

so I get results between 4k and 1440p

[halcyon moss]

But gpus are annorder of magnitude better at rt than cpu right?

[old marlin]

https://overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/nvidia_geforce_rtx_4090_founders_edition_review/15

no dlss

why would you benchmark with dlss

[magic rampart]

Because that's what you use with Ray tracing

[old marlin]

not to mention that imo dlss looks like crap

ah yes

[magic rampart]

Not preset c

[old marlin]

to make everything blurry as shit

no thanks

[magic rampart]

It's okay that you're unfamiliar with the preset and version differences

And how they're drastically different

[old marlin]

I legit tried it in every game I have that has dlss or fsr

[magic rampart]

Some versions and presets do look like dog shit which is why I avoid them

[old marlin]

and always disliked it

[magic rampart]

That's cool preset c looks good

Which is also what 2.5.1 uses by default

Newer versions you have to manually select

If you don't like what it defaults to

[reef patrol]

Depends on the game. I genuinely can't tell that Quality mode is on in BG3. (At 1440PUW)

[old marlin]

bg3 also does not have a lot of movement

or well

rotational movement

[reef patrol]

Though I am admittedly using the fan provided updated DLSS .dll

[solemn remnant]

sounds like you're just biased if you know it's on

[magic rampart]

A man that knows his stuff

[old marlin]

I legit spotted a lot of them because I wondered why it looks blurry

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/0koiii/status/1691846193339400213

Yes...and no. During fights a lot of effects go flying.

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[magic rampart]

How many times do I have to tell you old man yes there are presets and versions that are blurry

[old marlin]

death stranding for example

[solemn remnant]

https://www.techspot.com/article/2665-dlss-vs-native-rendering/ idk I just skimmed through the first link I found and in some cases it's even better than native?

[old marlin]

had 2.0 on for me per default

[magic rampart]

Yes it has a bad preset

Is your brain working right now

[old marlin]

rotational movement is a big killer

[magic rampart]

No preset is the big killer

You can change it so death stranding doesn't look like shit

Get rid of the blur trails

[old marlin]

yea

[magic rampart]

Easy

[old marlin]

ez fix

turn off

done

[magic rampart]

Or stop using a non-optimal version

It's almost like the tech improves with time

[old marlin]

no

[final flame]

better than native if you believe non original textures looks better

[old marlin]

yea nvidia "improved" it by throwing more shit at the wall

with 3.0

[magic rampart]

You don't even know what 3.0 is it's the same thing just with frame generation which is a different thing

[old marlin]

benchmarks should alwyas be no dlss or fsr per default

if you don't think you you just ate the nvidia marketing

congrats

[old marlin]

yes exactly

[magic rampart]

I don't listen to Nvidia

Why are you people so fucking weird

And willfully ignorant

[solemn remnant]

why not benchmark on both

[magic rampart]

Because brain damage

[solemn remnant]

of course people are interested in how dlss performs wtf

[old marlin]

NOO BUT THE GREEN BAR IS NOT THAT MUCH LONGER THEN

[magic rampart]

Yeah this is like a weird 14-year-old

[old marlin]

yes

[magic rampart]

Go back to Linus Tech tip forums or something

[old marlin]

exactly

[halcyon moss]

deathstranding run quite well, why even have dlss on in that game? O_o

[old marlin]

test both

default is off tho

[magic rampart]

Tru

[solemn remnant]

I have no stake in this since I don't even have a dlss capable card, but @old marlin you're just being dense again

[old marlin]

for thinking that a card should not be judged by the advantage it has in certain titles due to dlss

which will only ever apply to certain titles because it is closed tech

[solemn remnant]

hence benchmarking on both

[old marlin]

I mean if you only wanna play dlss enabled titles, sure buy an nvidia card if that makes it end up being the better value for you

dreamic was beign a shithead about "just buy totl"

[magic rampart]

Dlss has been modded into games

It will be modded into starfield

[old marlin]

it has been modded into games with a subscription as well

so uhhh

have fun ig

relative rasterized performance will basically always hold true on average

until we start rendering massively different

at which point current cards will all be too slow anyways

[magic rampart]

Metro Exodus enhanced isn't even that much more expensive than the original cuz people like to forget how fucking expensive raster shadows and things are

It's almost like a trade sometimes

[nimble canopy]

Yes they are expensive but rays are way more expansive

[magic rampart]

Sometimes it's almost negligible

Raster shadows can practically cost as much as Ray traced ones

[nimble canopy]

Metro gets around it by slowly updating shadows

[magic rampart]

Sounds like a good idea for any shadows that aren't fast moving

If we're talking day and night cycle it only needs to be fast enough to not be noticeable

Sun shadows

On stationary objects

[old marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArmYWwWho9I

developer issue

[magic rampart]

Are we really shitting on the graphics of Metro or cyberpunk now

🙄

[cursive summit]

@wheat plume

[old marlin]

[cursive summit]

Compared to Windows, how much slower and less functional is Pop!

As in, annoying to navigate

[old marlin]

I mean yea, kinda

[cursive summit]

I know that you are by far the worst person to ask that but I'll bite

Looking for a functional distro

[old marlin]

dunno how cyberpunk is with the newest ray tracing stuff

but the old one was like

not that amazing

[nimble canopy]

Yes they suck

[old marlin]

and reg cyberpunk looks decent

[magic rampart]

You're literally brain dead if you think 4a games are bad devs

[old marlin]

but like 7-8/10 at best

[magic rampart]

You people are delusional

[old marlin]

there is more to devs than making ray tracing

[nimble canopy]

I use KDE and to me it feels better then windows

[old marlin]

that is not just a 4a thing

imo nobody is using ray tracing to it's fullest with the given resources

[cursive summit]

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not sure what KDE is

[magic rampart]

Cyberpunk is literally path-traced now

[old marlin]

if it is only viable to run with the current totl card when it is also a feature on mid end cards you should know that something is wrong

[magic rampart]

Wdym

[old marlin]

and?

[magic rampart]

How much more full potential can you ask for

[old marlin]

[magic rampart]

That's as full as it gets

[cursive summit]

I'm looking for a linux distro that is a Windows replacement through and through

[old marlin]

no

[cursive summit]

Functionally it has to be similar, navigation should be swift

[old marlin]

that is exactly what I am talking about

[cursive summit]

I am okay with emulation for Office and games and such

[old marlin]

sure it looks good if you have the most balls to the wall card

but just have good fuckign GI

[cursive summit]

just a really painless distro, does that even exist?

[old marlin]

no

[nimble canopy]

Desktop envirment
What pop uses is gnome
But I don't know navigation is on there

[cursive summit]

That is just how it feels with Linux in general

[old marlin]

floor looks wetter than ever

ain't it great

is floor wetness really the scale to rate graphical fidelity on nowadays

[magic rampart]

Why are you being a simpleton and only focusing on reflections

[nimble canopy]

Linux takes some learning but too me it feels much less painless then windows

[cursive summit]

I will have to disagree with you there

[solemn remnant]

lmao

[old marlin]

because that is what devs use it for

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/doom-eternal-ray-tracing-nvidia-dlss-upgrade-available-now/

[cursive summit]

But just looking for something that is as similar to windows

[magic rampart]

They use it for a lot more than just reflections

[cursive summit]

I guess Pop might be alright

Will need to learn how to use emulators for Office and such

[magic rampart]

I already said rtgi is probably the most important

[old marlin]

yes as a replacement for shit GI

[old marlin]

I would agree

basically nobody even attmepted to do just good GI with it besides metro

BUT LOOK HOW SHINY THOSE FLOORS ARE

[magic rampart]

Dying light 2 rtgi makes a big difference

[reef patrol]

It is a critical part of getting across the valley...yes

[old marlin]

AIN'T IT GREAT

[crimson wigeon]

RTX
ON

[magic rampart]

Spider-Man Ray Trace skyscrapers is big

As opposed to the no reflection

[old marlin]

it is so on

[old marlin]

that is my problem

they try to make it looks as good as possible

[magic rampart]

Do you want accurate full city reflections in the skyscraper without rt?

[old marlin]

which gets amplified by putting as little as possible effort into the non rt version

[old marlin]

not impossible tho

[magic rampart]

🙄

[old marlin]

reminds me

[magic rampart]

Also part of RT is making dev's lives easier

[old marlin]

I wanted to see if they tell us how they do the mirror in warframe now

[crimson wigeon]

Probably just rendering another viewpoint to texture

[solemn remnant]

mirror in duke nukem 3d OP

[old marlin]

I would guess that, but the performance seems to good for that

• like no variance in the room so it would not do any culling

[old marlin]

too bad it got out right after a mode called mirror defense

so the worst mode in the game can make my life miserable once again

[halcyon moss]

I'm running Pop os as a software dev.
Its fine, but very different from windows. Gnome just works different. you will need to learn it.

[frozen ingot]

tbh lighting and texture quality in F.E.A.R. still looks good today

[old marlin]

eh, texture quality is like fine

[cursive summit]

As for Office and other apps, how easy/hard is it to use Wine and other emus for launching windows apps?

[halcyon moss]

thats because of a copious amount of BUMPMAP

[old marlin]

at best

[frozen ingot]

it was insane in 2005

[old marlin]

it looks as fine as hl2 does imo

[halcyon moss]

i dont. libre office in a pinch. better to look at web based office 365

[old marlin]

outside the lighting

[magic rampart]

Some old games used to have better positional audio as well

That we're finally just now getting back to

In engine 3D shit or whatever

[old marlin]

reminds me

https://valvesoftware.github.io/steam-audio/

does any game use this now

[crimson wigeon]

Probably not

[magic rampart]

Every game should have binaural hrtf shit

Everyone has been so lazy for the longest time

[old marlin]

people when you tell them that "7.1" headsets are a scam

[magic rampart]

There's only two drivers how could the sound possibly seem like it's coming from different directions

Is what they say

Lol

[old marlin]

[magic rampart]

Never listen to like one of those barbershop recordings

[old marlin]

or like even csgo

[magic rampart]

Where you can clearly like 360 track it behind your head above below in front

Horror games need that

[old marlin]

if done right ig

[magic rampart]

I can't remember if Senua sacrifice did that stuff

[old marlin]

imo not required to get the proper atmosphere

but if that is a thing you play around with it could ig

[magic rampart]

Could literally make it sound like someone's breathing down your neck

[old marlin]

meanwhile horror games: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f87g8maDgVw

[old marlin]

yea or you could hear something crawling around the ceiling/in other rooms etc

if you use it well, sure

thing is if you rely too much on it then some people straight up don't get the game

because they have a different audio setup

aka like speakers

or audio straight from their tv

[magic rampart]

Oh yeah

Damn those people

[old marlin]

large af market

[magic rampart]

Ruining possibilities

[old marlin]

just have weird indie games

that don't give a shit

[halcyon moss]

battlefield has one of the best sounds, since a long time

[magic rampart]

It was the same girl that did the Joker

[old marlin]

?

[magic rampart]

If you're talking about soundtrack

I misread

[old marlin]

https://mrdrnose.itch.io/votv

funniest shit I have ever seen

[magic rampart]

The most recent battlefield soundtrack was done by the same woman that did the Joker and won an Oscar

[cursive summit]

Why we sharing this again?

[old marlin]

PLAY IT

[cursive summit]

I mean, I love it

It's amazing

But I don't handle horror so I'll leave it to Jobel

[old marlin]

idk only interesting spooky game I have seen recently

[solemn remnant]

WTF SHITTY GRAPHICS EVEN IN NATIVE 4K ?????? BLURRY TEXTURES JUST SHIT

[old marlin]

most other stuff is just the same few regurgitated ideas

inscryption was novel tho

to me at least

[cursive summit]

Btw funny thing about 4K, I thought that 4K gaming displays were still unaffordable

Rtings apparently are reviewing a 4K 144Hz HP Omen panel

650$

[fair gull]

4k gaming is very affordable

even my gt 710 can do it

[magic rampart]

May as well stick with 1440p for the frame rate

Even if you have something like a 4090

[old marlin]

Would not say that is affordable

[cursive summit]

Well, cheaper than mleds and oleds/qd-oleds

[hasty thunder]

at 0.1 FPS?

[cursive summit]

I don't see much of a point in buying a panel more expensive than 300$, but if I had cash to burn, 650$ isn't that bad of a deal

[hasty thunder]

or 60 FPS Doom 1989?

[fair gull]

who said we need playable fps

[cursive summit]

4K is easily doable though at 60FPS at least

Just don't enable RT

[magic rampart]

Or get 1440p and enable RT

[solemn remnant]

people are just too dopamine jitter okasdakds nowadays, no patience to look at a picture for even a second

[halcyon moss]

soundtracks are nice.. but no. game sound

[solemn remnant]

who needs 69fps

1 is enough

[magic rampart]

Some people still be living without variable refresh rate

Somehow

[halcyon moss]

if the screen is 144hz, it matters way less

[magic rampart]

No, if the frame rate is low it's going to be noticeably choppy

[solemn remnant]

lul I have a 280hz gsync monitor, and I have gsync turned off always

[halcyon moss]

yes.. and vrr is not going to fix low framerates

[magic rampart]

No but it will fix the tearing

[solemn remnant]

rip & tear who cares

[halcyon moss]

🤔

[cursive summit]

@halcyon moss, have you ever heard/used https://usebottles.com/ ?

[halcyon moss]

so will vsync

[cursive summit]

This seems like a pretty nice solution for most problems

[halcyon moss]

no. never needed it.

[magic rampart]

Only if you can maintain the frame rate

Variable you don't need to maintain a minimum

[halcyon moss]

if you need wine help, ask Lana 😄

[cursive summit]

Lana seems to be snorting cocaine or something rn, not responding

Will do later

[magic rampart]

It's interesting how people in here apparently understand the value of the 60he but understand so little when it comes to other techs

[halcyon moss]

144 screen update opportunities is enough :p

[magic rampart]

Doesn't matter if you had a 1,000 Hertz screen if you're getting like 50 FPS

Variable will help

I have a 240 hertz

Variable refresh sub 120fps is noticeable

Big time

Clearly better than not

[halcyon moss]

maybe im just to used to sub 60fps since childhood

goes back to game on the riva tnt2

[severe phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1104834999397658807/1143533071270940753/image.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM_gzfAMdNs

[ashen spindle]

The fact the left three images look different is fucked

If you upscale why tf is the light changing

Last one maybe because RT denoising

But that’s either fake or something else gets changed there

[opal cypress]

I heard that switching tape mode on Wooting 60he slows down the input speed, is that okay?

[halcyon moss]

i also dont have a 60HE, because 60% is nto for me

[severe phoenix]

60% HE is for weirdos

Real human beings get 100%

[solemn remnant]

pssh you got it backwards

[solemn remnant]

I don't understand why that would happen, so that's probably not true

[wheat plume]

Mint

PopOS

[wheat plume]

PopOS is faster than Windows
Navigating PopOS is wildly different to Windows due to Gnome desktop taking the traditional "Windows Style" desktop layout and saying no
Gnome desktop is a mix of MacOS desktop and tablet UI , imo but I really love it

[cursive summit]

I absolutely hate Mint

[wheat plume]

Same

But it's the most stable

And useable

[cursive summit]

I used it for a few years, it's borderline unusable how many issues I had with it

[wheat plume]

Strange

Then give PopOS or something using Plasma desktop a try
Plasma desktop is laid out like Windows

Maybe Kubuntu might be nice for you

It's Ubuntu but with plasma instead of Gnome desktop

[nimble canopy]

Just use arch you can go trough the fun that is installing from cli

[opal cypress]

I want to know thinsulate foam vs wooting stock foam

Who can teach me??

[wheat plume]

This is the desktop on the left image
And the overview on the right image

On gnome desktop

The overview shows all desktops and you can move apps between them and open new apps and type to search for anything on the computer

You open the overview using the windows key

Or clicking the activities button with your mouse

[nimble canopy]

But a real answer is that you can use nixos if you want a more blank slate

[wheat plume]

Not for nooby who seems reluctant to use Linux in the first place
😅

[cursive summit]

I'll be using Pop

I just need all important Windows apps and games to work

Office, da vinci resolve, adobe apps, etc

[final flame]

personally plasma from a design perspective is bulky asf

[wheat plume]

You must want to learn and use Linux before you swap over to Arch

[final flame]

gnome from a design perspective is a lot more refined

[nimble canopy]

Only the learn part is what you need

[wheat plume]

Not really anymore tbh

You can get a very clean look with it

[nimble canopy]

I can't stand how gnome looks

[wheat plume]

.....bruh good luck m8

I love it personally

[ashen spindle]

so 3.5 makes images more yellow and removes wires what a shit comparison

[wheat plume]

Especially their new LibAdwaita theme and UI design

No more ugly AF default theme and icon set

That shit made me vomit anytime I saw those icons

Nasty design and color choice

[ashen spindle]

try #🔧│keyboard_modding

[cursive summit]

You know for a linux absolutist you make a shit job indoctrinating me into the linux cult

[final flame]

would you say ricing like this is possible?

[opal cypress]

Ty

[fair gull]

weeb

[wheat plume]

Can't help you if you seem reluctant to even want to switch
Especially if you want to use something that looks and feels and behaves like windows does

[final flame]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[halcyon moss]

low key pantyshot there

[cursive summit]

The fuck do you mean reluctant

I need apps to work, that is non-negotiable

If they don't then the OS is ass

[wheat plume]

You could use Lindows....
You get a free trial of that distro if you wanna try it out
Then you need to activate it.
But it's themed exactly like windows 11

[cursive summit]

What tools are there, Wine? Bottles?

I will use any tool to make Office work on linux

If there aren't any then it's ass

[fair gull]

ngl office web is ur best bet

[halcyon moss]

vex being vex

[fair gull]

i wouldnt bet on wine running office flawless

[wheat plume]

Why are you blaming the OS for the apps devs not wanting to support it?

[halcyon moss]

just stop helping him -_-

[wheat plume]

You can move the panel to the bottom and use an extension to move where the notifications show up
So yeah

As for the blur, probably not

[fair gull]

i mean it was sort of a vex says he had issue

lana recommended an os

[wheat plume]

Yeh
I have

[fair gull]

and then well that other stuff was said

[cursive summit]

Again I am looking to switch to Linux

I need apps to work

[fair gull]

so it wasnt really helping but more trying to re-indoctronate

wrong os my man

linux isnt a just works thing

[wheat plume]

Yeah it is

[cursive summit]

Is it possible in any way shape or form or not for Linux to make Microsoft Office to work or not

Like, if it is, I'll switch

[halcyon moss]

if you need abobe apps, dont use linux

[wheat plume]

I've had never ending audio issues on Windows lol

Just works in Linux.

[cursive summit]

Again, I found this https://github.com/Fmstrat/winapps

This seems to work with a lot of the good shit to make it work on Linux

[fair gull]

and i had the exact opposite experience

[vagrant pagoda]

Is that just fancy wine?

[fair gull]

including gui apps and linux not having good apps like adobe or office

[cursive summit]

Is this hard to do, is it possible, what caveats are there?

[cursive summit]

Apparently this uses KVM to run a VM just without the VM window

[wheat plume]

Hmmm
My laptops touchpad and SD card reader don't work on Windows
Yet on Linux, they work flawlessly

[cursive summit]

So it's basically a virtual machine but it shows only the app you want to run

Which again is a hassle, not perfect, but I'm willing to make it work

[wheat plume]

Yeah you can do this for sure
Make a single app VM

[cursive summit]

But is it stable?

What caveats are there?

[vagrant pagoda]

So it's Linux parallells

[cursive summit]

If it works flawlessly, I'll switch

[wheat plume]

Sure
If windows doesn't know it's on a VM then it should be fine

[vagrant pagoda]

Did work flawlessly you'd pay for it and it wouldn't be on GitHub

XD

[cursive summit]

There's also https://wiki.playonlinux.com/index.php/Main_Page for games

Is it stable? What caveats are there?

Linux is just so damn hard to enter

[fair gull]

and you obviously downloaded the right drivers for those devices and your OS version from the manufacturer

and didnt use some shit SI that cant even host proper drivers

[wheat plume]

Valves Proton and GloriousEggroll's Proton GE make 98% games work these days

[vagrant pagoda]

Not even close to 98 lol

[wheat plume]

The OEM doesn't have Windows images to download
What you saying?

[vagrant pagoda]

Considering 20%+ have anticheat

[wheat plume]

The laptop came with Windows though

[fair gull]

they dont give you images please learn to read

[wheat plume]

80%*

Tbf
If the anticheat wasn't in the game
It would run fine

[fair gull]

i said DRIVERS not IMAGES

they dont even start with the same letter

[cursive summit]

So is Wine picked up by something like EAC and doesn't run the app?

[wheat plume]

They do have drivers but you need to email support to get them

[vagrant pagoda]

What

Who makes you email for drivers?

[wheat plume]

EAC allows proton users but it's up to the game devs to enable that support
Most have other than Destiny and Fortnite

[fair gull]

so shit SI

good to know

not your laptops fault then if whoever build your laptop has 0 braincells in what drivers to actually give customers

[wheat plume]

Destiny and Fortnite will ban you if you try to use proton

[fair gull]

also not windows fault

[wheat plume]

Never said it was

[cursive summit]

That doesn't seem very consumer friendly

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean

Just get the drivers from whoever makes the hardware

[wheat plume]

Yeah
Bungie and Epic need to add support to EAC

[vagrant pagoda]

I've never had a machine that needed to OE specific drivers actually

[wheat plume]

It's up to them
Valve can't do shit

The games are playable otherwise

[vagrant pagoda]

The reason they don't is because it's way easier to cheat because there's no way for anticheat to work correctly on Linux

[fair gull]

well yes you did... you literally said that on windows they dont work... which makes sense if you use the wrong drivers

[wheat plume]

EAC works fine in Apex and Overwatch

[wheat plume]

By default
I had to plug my mouse into my laptop to get through installation

[vagrant pagoda]

And you can cheat on both of them with Linux

[fair gull]

am i writing chinese?

DRIVERS

[wheat plume]

You can cheat in both of them on Windows

[fair gull]

and yet its easier on linux

[wheat plume]

Yeah
Windows doesn't come with the drivers

[fair gull]

cause you can just build your own kernel

[cursive summit]

I guess I'll just install Win10 for the meantime on the new rig and in 2 years consider Linux again, if any improvements are made

[fair gull]

yes cause theres too many devices to bundle all drivers ever

[wheat plume]

Most cheaters won't even bother swapping OS and trying to figure out how to build a kernel just to cheat

[vagrant pagoda]

Nah Windows just never updates the install

[fair gull]

they dont need to.... companies can sell a linux distro

just like they sell cheats nowadays

just that detecting the kernel level cheats is basically impossible

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean they do it on windows all the time

[fair gull]

windows has kernel level cheats?

[vagrant pagoda]

Yep

[wheat plume]

But that requires switching to it
Finding out how to burn it to usb
Finding oit how to boot into the USB
Finding out how to install it
Finding out how to get steam installed
Etc etc

Too much effort for cheaters to go through

[fair gull]

i didnt know people sold special windows kernels with cheats built in

[fair gull]

you realise that a simple video can easily explain all that and steam can come preinstalled

[nimble canopy]

Doesent matter most people buy their cheats

[fair gull]

well it does avoiding AC on linux would be easier

[vagrant pagoda]

Why would you do any of that

You can resize a windows partition and install Linux from within windows with a single installer

[nimble canopy]

No their basicly no market for cheats on linux

[vagrant pagoda]

That isn't true lol

[wheat plume]

That's again too much effort for cheaters

[vagrant pagoda]

Running a single program is too much?

Maybe too much for you but you're below average I guess

[nimble canopy]

You want money for your cheats you make it for windows

[wheat plume]

:p nah I installed arch before

Next is Gentoo

Scared for that one

Too long to compile shit from scratch

[vagrant pagoda]

You can literally make a program that you click once and installs a bootable Linux partition with no intervention

Idk how you think that is too hard

[wheat plume]

I gtg
I'm getting lightheaded from using my phone in the car

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/kpG4UoWihEg

[fair gull]

yes and the cheat manufacturers can have a very easy system from windows to setup a preinstalled linux with a modified kernel where the cheat live in the kernel itself

[solemn remnant]

IT'S ALIVE

[vagrant pagoda]

Also y'all I confusing mass market cheats for bespoked stuff

[wheat plume]

It can't
How would it connect to wifi or make a user profile and whatnot without user help?

[vagrant pagoda]

You're confusing a general purpose operating system with something that's custom made to do one thing

There are no options

There are cheats that use a custom KVM version to rear memory on host and display radar is a different window

Makes them undetectable

[nimble canopy]

You would have to breach the hipervisor for that

Way harder then making a cheat just running on windows

[vagrant pagoda]

Breaking hypervisor from host to guest is super easy

[old marlin]

you don't

if the game runs native on linux

there is 0 ways to detect that

[vagrant pagoda]

I meaj

They could make a kernel anticheat for linux

But no one use it

[old marlin]

no

they can't

that is the problem

[vagrant pagoda]

Yes you can

[old marlin]

well

they can

but it is not effective

[vagrant pagoda]

Anyone can make a kernel module

[old marlin]

since you can just run a separate kernel

with full memory access

making it undetectable

[nimble canopy]

Pleas tell me how your average cheater is using vfio

[vagrant pagoda]

You make you're game not run without your kernel module

[nimble canopy]

And not just windows

[vagrant pagoda]

Just like window kennel anticheat

[old marlin]

yes but you can still jsut run an entire separated kernel

[vagrant pagoda]

That isn't how it wirks

[fair gull]

ok but what if my custom kernel just lies to the modules

[vagrant pagoda]

You can't run 2 kernels

[old marlin]

you can

with linux

that is the problem

[vagrant pagoda]

You've now described kernel antichi bypass

Which exists l

[fair gull]

ok how do you do that easily on windows

[vagrant pagoda]

Ol

[fair gull]

nt kernel isnt opensource

[vagrant pagoda]

Neither are games

But people make cheats

[nimble canopy]

And yet still lots of cheaters on windows

[old marlin]

yes

but on windows it is a cat and mouse essentially

on linux there is just no way to detect a well made cheat

[vagrant pagoda]

It's just as easy

How do you think secure distributions of Linux keep their kernel pure

They are able to detect pages

Changes

[cursive summit]

Unless you make an invasive kernel level anti-cheat

Which a lot of people frown upon

[vagrant pagoda]

lol

like riot or bliz

[cursive summit]

Not sure if this is in theory the best place

But kind of https://youtu.be/ojJIki1vKAs

[old marlin]

even then

[dull rampart]

there a good place to read more into this?
want to make sure all the bases are covered in that regard given we're hearing arguments here about running separate kernels

[rapid bay]

guys how do i lock the windows key on woothing 60he

im trying the fn + caps lock hold then press windows

the combination isnt working

the windows still works it doesnt lock :/

[old marlin]

tried fn+windows

[rapid bay]

tried that just now

windows still works

smjh

[reef patrol]

Unplug the board, plug it back in and don't touch any keys for five seconds.

Open wootility and take a screenshot

[rapid bay]

@reef patrol

[hasty thunder]

finally a kinda decent picture of why you should stay away from SteelSeries mice

[old marlin]

?

what's the issue

[vagrant pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA1yUhmJxmM

[vagrant pagoda]

a broken swtich?

[old marlin]

ttc golds are actually quite good reliability wise

so rip you ig?

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah idk what is so bad lol

[hasty thunder]

the whole mouse actually. Mechanical switches while everyone moved on to optical ones, the side buttons are spongy af despite being basically the same as the main buttons, the sensor is old (even for standards 2-3 years ago), the mouse wheel technology is ancient and will fail due to its mechanical engineering

[vagrant pagoda]

that picture shows none of that lol

[hasty thunder]

shall i continue the list?

[vagrant pagoda]

also

mech swtiches feel better

[old marlin]

not everyone moved to optical switches and they are not straight up better
side buttons being bad is a fair claim
that mouse uses a 3335, which is basically a 3370

as long as you don't want 4khz polling rate you don't see a difference to a modern sensor

the mouse wheel technology is the same that everyone else in the industry uses

[hasty thunder]

basically it's everything you would not expect from a mouse launched for 150 bucks anyways

[hasty thunder]

uh... no, some actually use a light disruption technology

[old marlin]

name me one

[hasty thunder]

well, in fact most mice beyond 100 bucks

[old marlin]

lk encoders never were a thing in production mice

logitech stopped using them

[old marlin]

no

in fact all the ones I can think of are cheaper than that

and the wireless versions of those mice use mechanical encoders just like that one

since they are a LOT more power efficient

[hasty thunder]

well, true

[old marlin]

aka

in gaming mice only wired zowie and zygen (aka ex zowie)

oh and one razer mouse iirc

but that has a very funky scroll wheel

and g502

[rapid bay]

@reef patrol i waited 5 secs still the same problem

[old marlin]

everything else is mechanical

[grim pasture]

wired mouse in 2023, u animal

😄

[old marlin]

can be good

not telling you you should only buy wired or wireless

[grim pasture]

of all the PC equipment u want wireless, mouse is the #1 😄

[old marlin]

would agree

but I also have no issues with a wired mouse

using one rn

[grim pasture]

I can go back to a wired headset and I will never run a wireless keyboard. But I could never go back to a wired mouse tbh 😄

[old marlin]

which is totally fair

but imo you should not arbitrarily judge other peoples decision on stuff like that so harshly

[grim pasture]

Well maybe if I had a bungee (never actually had one), maybe it feels like a wireless in that case

[old marlin]

it rally only comes down to preference

[reef patrol]

And then you ignored the next steps.

[old marlin]

best bungee is just taping the cable to the rear of your monitor

unironically

[rapid bay]

i didnt i sent you the screenshot

[grim pasture]

I mean yea im not trying to be, Im just sharing my opinion, he still have to decide for himself 🙂

[reef patrol]

One of each remap layer please.

Base, FN1 and FN2

[old marlin]

actually bought both a wired and wireless mouse ysterday

though wired one only because the shape seems very interesting

[grim pasture]

I have a roughe mousepad too now so its even worse with the wired mouse, feels like im draging a rock tied to the cable

[old marlin]

rubber cables are superior

unironically

they don't flop around that much

[reef patrol]

FN2 keybind needs to be on the Caps Lock key position on layer 1

[grim pasture]

yea its braided the one i have, so its locking in the the mousepad xD

[hasty thunder]

@reef patrol ALUMAZE!

Now!

ffs

You said you guys would drop the announcement today

[reef patrol]

Half of the staff are in a meeting sorting out the final details. Soon!

Gotta make sure announcements, video, website, shop and all that are all good to go.

[sharp badger]

Loads of hours left in the day 😎

[grim pasture]

the staff are located in us?

[rapid bay]

how do i add fn2 keybind on capslock position?

[reef patrol]

If by 20 minutes left, sure.

[reef patrol]

You drag it up

[hasty thunder]

NL

[grim pasture]

ok

[hasty thunder]

basically a country 100 km's away from my home town

[sharp badger]

Well i'm in no hurry 😀

[hasty thunder]

it's a 1 and a half hour drive for me to kick their butts

or 45 minutes if i put the metal to the floor

[grim pasture]

the manufacturer is in china?

[hasty thunder]

doesn't matter where the manufacturer is when i storm Woots HQ

[rapid bay]

thank you bro you're the goat

[fair gull]

my actual reply is at least listen to good music like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTDmhxJTdeA

[reef patrol]

Sir, I am a duck, not a goat.

[fair gull]

you mean Quack quack quack

[rapid bay]

well then youre the greatest duck of all time

[hasty thunder]

https://youtu.be/lDsNgdleih8

[fair gull]

too much metal only

[final flame]

Should listen to Kevin penkin for a bit, while it may be music from anime the pure skill in his orchestration is astounding

[fair gull]

if i listen to anime music its https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SKKlt_TbxY

[grim pasture]

https://cdn.sweclockers.com/artikel/bild/111874?l=eyJyZXNvdXJjZSI6IlwvYXJ0aWtlbFwvYmlsZFwvMTExODc0IiwiZmlsdGVycyI6WyJ3bSIsInQ9b3JpZ2luYWwiXSwicGFyYW1zIjpbXSwia2V5IjoiOGI0OWMyMWE4NzI0NTcwYjFkYmVjOTdmY2ZkNDI2YWEifQ%3D%3D

new tech 😄

[gusty kiln]

https://youtu.be/sGKCrcNsVzo

[severe phoenix]

https://youtu.be/nLTrTzP0vig

[grim pasture]

I have the PG27AQDM, im happy 😄

[hybrid tusk]

is that monitor good for u i wanna buy that one too

[cursive summit]

You sure you want to buy an OLED?

OLEDs are horrible for desktop use unless you custom optimize your desktop for OLED usage

Things will burn in really quickly, like taskbars, menu bars, etc

[grim pasture]

Well it had some issues but they did release new firmware that fixed some of the issues.
But I dont regret buying this specific one over any of the other models using the same LG tech

Ofc it depends on if u playing and maybe what u playing and how serious u are at playing.
Its a gaming monitor so get something else if thats not what u gonna use it for

[cursive summit]

Please lads don't forget OLEDs have a lot of issues with the tech itself

You have to pay extra care to safeguard the panel

Optimizing the desktop, screen savers, get rid of all static elements

If you are negligent, within 6 months you will see permanent burn-in marks

[grim pasture]

Yea, Im running black background, hidden windows menu and I put monitor sleep to like 2-3 minutes

[ashen spindle]

as someone whos using an oled, 3600 hours in I have 0 burn in so just dont let it run a tv ad for days

[grim pasture]

Also im only at like 60% brightness

[cursive summit]

60% sounds like a lot

OLEDs easily do above 1000 nits

[grim pasture]

oh sorry

yea its 35% 😛

I think 60 was default maybe

[cursive summit]

Also consider miniled if you are bored of IPS and VA tech

Something like Acer Predator X32

Miniled, good performance, relatively affordable

None of the drawbacks of OLED