🔌│tech

[astral haven]

make sure to back up any important data tho

[latent mural]

The biggest as card I have is 16 gb smh

[astral haven]

money can be exchanged for goods and services

[latent mural]

Lol

[crimson wigeon]

This "money" thing sounds very useful! How do I get some?

[astral haven]

not sure, can probably find some answers on google

[latent mural]

I heard you get it from selling pictures of your feet

That’s at least my main source of getting it

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/15g33z2/tidal_completes_its_migration_to_hires_pcm_on_pc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[astral haven]

down with mqa bs, long live the digitally lossless!

[gusty kiln]

MQA is still on the platform until they can convert to FLAC

guess I'll hold off on switching

wish Qobuz recommendations wasn't so ASS

[astral haven]

yea yt music is pretty solid lol

[gusty kiln]

KEK, currently listening to recs on YT music then finding it on qobuz

if YT music ever gets lossless, that would be endgame for me

[astral haven]

meh i aint got the time for that

[gusty kiln]

wouldn't mind paying a few dollars more for it too

[astral haven]

i listen to 4-8 hours of music a day, aint got the time to open the music in a different streaming service every 2-5 minutes

[gusty kiln]

llol nah, I do it in batches on the weekend

[astral haven]

oh ffs why would you make me chose youtube

[gusty kiln]

what feature?

[astral haven]

either of these

since i enabled this

[gusty kiln]

oh that

[pale sigil]

nice light

[latent mural]

I need new bulbs

[gusty kiln]

https://www.padsmith.com/products/the-empress

https://www.padsmith.com/products/darkchaos

2 interesting looking glass pads

$75/$79 for artisan size

from the same people who did the first war mousepad

[vagrant pagoda]

so not really tech, but its ltt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FFJj_s1Rs

at 57 seconds

the paint on the car is horrible

da

no corolla

he has a taycan for a daily lol

[old marlin]

you haven't seen the worst yet

id3

capacitive sliders 💀

the id3 costs like basically the same as a model 3

[astral haven]

so hype for aptera
final prototype in the coming months!

[old marlin]

but you get worse mileage and performance

like you can say about tesla what you want

but their prices are kinda hard to beat

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/Andercot/status/1686688495577018368 looooong post

Andrew Cote (@Andercot)

In 2 days there are have been 4 studies that help explain LK-99's potential superconducting abilities.

These simulations converge on key properties that suggest a new class of SC materials, and help explain quirks of TK-99 we've seen so far.

Here is the easy-to-digest summary…

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Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 10:40 AM

[old marlin]

hey could be less efficient

[astral haven]

the hummer is less efficient im 100% sure

[old marlin]

EQA

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[old marlin]

the hummer has a good reason to be less efficient

the EQA just sucks

[vagrant pagoda]

the tires alone would make it worse

[astral haven]

eqa is 133mpge whatever that meanst

thats not actually that awful it just has a small battery

i got to drive an ioniq5 a few days ago for a road trip and holy smokes is it boring

non n ofc

and the self driving ish on the highway is extremely stressful

nah gimme openpilot

if its relying on mapping data, its not a good enough AI

is that an openpilot thing?

figures

yea well tesla also has insano margins still so even if they take a minor hit, they can cut margins

comma3x just released, i didnt notice!

base unit is $250 cheaper, but it also integrates the can-fd bus, so its practically $550 cheaper!

[cursive summit]

So, industry leakers seem to have a new insider

Cause the "old" leakers that usually have nothing to say are spouting the same things

Switch 2 -
Launches late 2024
8" LCD screen
512GB internal storage option

[astral haven]

what

oh switch2

[cursive summit]

Speculation could be fake, who knows

But when too many people start repeating the same facts, something must be up

2024 launch seems like an agreed upon figure at this point

8" LCD screen though.. I believe the LCD but 8"? A bit small

[astral haven]

also tbh who gaf about those specs
does it keep the micro sd, what soc is it on

[cursive summit]

We kind of know what SoC it will have

Tegra, orin generation, T239

[astral haven]

and 8 inch is larger than current

its larger than even the oled

[cursive summit]

I just want a fuckin laptop for a handheld alright?

These small ass devices are too small for me

[astral haven]

deck?

ally?

[cursive summit]

S8 Ultra with that borderline ass 15" is just about right

[astral haven]

Actual laptop?

Might want to look into the xreal like I've got

Using the light + beam combo, you get a head tracked 3dof screen for any device with displayport over USB c or with an extra cable, HDMI
It also supports Miracast but Miracast laggie

Besides oleds

[cursive summit]

I like my S8U Amoled tyvm

I don't need a laptop when I have the S8U for tablet and a desktop for everything else

[astral haven]

and lcd cant handle mouse cursors

or text

no i mean contrast wise

only real option for real contrast with lcd is DLLCD

[cursive summit]

https://pcper.com/2023/08/asrock-launching-all-white-motherboards-for-amd-and-intel-cpus/

White builds look amazing

[astral haven]

and that aint happening in a laptop

?

[cursive summit]

Zephyrus G14?

Alienware M16?

Legion whatever i Pro

There's plenty of good well built laptops

[astral haven]

also if the target is games, get an ally or deck + an xreal
actual true 20k:1 contrast, no worries about ergonomics

is 120 inch oled screen not enough?

exactly, no ergonomic problems for gaming

insert you are holding it wrong meme here

meh im not getting a console if it cant run steam engine simulator

i got my beam on saturday, its pretty sweet

not quite low enough lag to do dex wireless 😦

and its 1080p30 miracast

also only 1080p60 wired

[wheat plume]

bruh....

He says he doesnt have the option to switch to x11

yet hes hovering over it

the AR glasses? yeah :/

[astral haven]

really?

oh right yea the switch doesnt support normal dp alt mode over usbc

[gusty kiln]

https://global.rokid.com/products/rokid-hub

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/floates0x/status/1686799780830420992

Floates0x (@floates0x)

Breaking: Researchers at the Department of Physics, Southeast University, Nanjing have synthesized the LK-99 superconductor and have measured 0 resistance until 110 Kelvin and confirmed structural consistency with xray diffraction.

This was revealed on a bilibili livestream…

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Twitter · Aug 2, 2023, 6:03 PM

[astral haven]

100k is halfway there lol

[astral haven]

this confirmed to work with switch + xreal?

it may only work with the rokid max

[gusty kiln]

hmmm yeah maybe not the switch

with the air

[astral haven]

but yea the beam is also not super expensive

[gusty kiln]

people got the charging to work with the steamdeck at least

[astral haven]

can confirm

i dont have a switch to check with that tho

[gusty kiln]

what does the Beam do exactly?

[astral haven]

3dof head tracking

and resizing of the screen

[gusty kiln]

meaning only smaller than how it is normally?

[astral haven]

you can make it appear larger

but only if you also make it look further away

[gusty kiln]

ah

[astral haven]

by default it looks like a 48 inch to 110 inch at 2-3 meters
you can make it look like 300 inch at 10 meters if you want
doesnt change the fov

but the more important parts are the positioning, rather than the screen vibrating with your head, bus, train, plane, it can be locked in space, or rather than constantly moving, it can slowly track your head

[gusty kiln]

still waiting for stable release of nebula on windows zzzzz

[astral haven]

nebula will always consume resources on the computer tho

[gusty kiln]

I see, not too much of an issue for me cuz I only ever use the xreal indoors

[astral haven]

you are lucky then lol

[gusty kiln]

also the whole motion sickness thing

[astral haven]

even sitting in a chair i can get sick from using the airs without the beam

[gusty kiln]

I can walk around with em on just fine

[astral haven]

😭 not I

[gusty kiln]

kek, genetic lottery

[astral haven]

did you get the 120hz mode working in the end?

[gusty kiln]

yeah

[astral haven]

nice!

thats another thing the beam cant do

:/

[gusty kiln]

Air2 when

120hz is nice, but useless most of the time cuz I don't game with em

[astral haven]

i want a light2 with an xr2 chip

the ar xr2 chip not the vr one

[astral haven]

since when is 120hz useless outside of games

[gusty kiln]

well I'm just watching movies/shows 99% of the time

[astral haven]

oh tho i guess you are less sensitive to motion effects

[gusty kiln]

haven't done much browsing either with em

[astral haven]

120hz makes 24hz content look better

also i am about 50/50 for 30hz /60hz content and i watch all youtube at 2x speed
so 120hz is actually really nice

[ashen spindle]

yeah and the current models dont rule RT out and with current setups it seems gold might be used instead of copper for relatively simple ways to improve it and its already at ambient pressue @ 100K

[cursive summit]

https://youtu.be/ghSVNLX8dWU

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/15geor1/negative_update_from_qnu_result_of_basic/

[ashen spindle]

thats 4 hours ago the 100kelvin result is from 2 hours ago

[fickle ore]

different teams lol

[ashen spindle]

yeah but the more recent result confirmed some findings so that post not finding anything isnt really as relevant

[cursive summit]

That link doesn't even load for me

White page

[ashen spindle]

normal reddit post

[fickle ore]

what that doesnt make sense lol

just 2 contradicting results

we need more definitive proof

[cursive summit]

I saw the figure that like at least 3 labs managed to successfully replicate the results

Albeit I think it wasn't in room temp?

[ashen spindle]

I mean given that it apparently is hard to create all this implies is they might not have had the same thing so it's still hard to make

or mistranslation as that is just some random translation app it seems

[cursive summit]

Fuck off you pathetic piece of shit

[ashen spindle]

and yes at 100K not Room temp some group found something, thats the things I posted earlier

[tulip furnace]

this also keyboard talk or also pc parts?

[ashen spindle]

I mean I dont think keyboards use 100kelvin materials so take a guess lol

[astral haven]

#archived_keebs_talk is for keyboards
here we talk about all tech from ai to zfs

[tulip furnace]

https://nl.pcpartpicker.com/list/QwhZ4s

can i get some feedback on this build than

[cursive summit]

What do you need liquid for

Get a normal air cooler

Save like 50$

[ashen spindle]

get the peerless assassin, like 50€ and does all you need for cpu cooling there

[cursive summit]

Apparently the quality control is wild on those

Unit to unit variance is beyond the charts

Noctua DH-15 is endgame for most

[ashen spindle]

dark rock pro 4 or noctua then

[astral haven]

🤷 its not a 13900k, it doesnt need much cooling

[ashen spindle]

^

even a not so great one will be just fine

[tulip furnace]

people keep recommending i use one of those... water cooling rlly not worth it?

[ashen spindle]

not at all, those cpus barely use any power that you would need to cool

[astral haven]

^

[ashen spindle]

will just make it harder to do maintenance on, the higher risk of something going wrong etc.

[fickle ore]

Maybe we are dealing with anisotropic or orientation based superconductor like some of the comments are suggesting

[astral haven]

water cooling is for tiny systems, extremely powerful systems, and systems built around looks

[ashen spindle]

extremely powerhungry* to be pedantic but yes

[astral haven]

not nescessarily

even if its lower power, if its extremely power dense, you want liquid

[ashen spindle]

not needed at all for this at least

[fickle ore]

whatever happened to that cooler that was all the rage back when I was building zen 3 pc?

what was it..

[astral haven]

fuma2?

[fickle ore]

nop

[ashen spindle]

the liquid freezer?

[astral haven]

yea alf2?

[fickle ore]

nope, it was a really small company doing something new or very niche

hmm

[astral haven]

thermosiphon?

[ashen spindle]

icegiant

[fickle ore]

O wait yeah it was https://www.icegiantcooling.com/

[astral haven]

yea it was made for threadripper

[ashen spindle]

I mean, still a solution just not fit for most situations as people already expected back then

[astral haven]

it couldnt handle a 12900k, and didnt really work great for the smol zen chips

[fickle ore]

aw too bad

[astral haven]

high cooling capacity, but it couldnt handle density

[ashen spindle]

was never something for desktops anyway if you looked at it realistically

[fickle ore]

The only reason I didnt get it was bc it was delayed, so I guess I got lucky and missed a bullet

[astral haven]

Nah it was great for threadripper

[ashen spindle]

with desktops I meant to exclude TR lol

[astral haven]

Hedt is still desktop

[tulip furnace]

i just looked up the air coolers... they aint that much cheaper on the site im ordering from. maybe like 10 bucks and the noctua is more expensive xD

[astral haven]

What country?

[tulip furnace]

netherlands

ordering from megekko

[astral haven]

Does pcpp not have a Netherlands option?

[fickle ore]

@ashen spindle spam day https://news.mit.edu/2023/mit-engineers-create-supercapacitor-ancient-materials-0731

[ashen spindle]

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08XM557HS 58€

[tulip furnace]

cant be send to me

[ashen spindle]

oh thats from amaozn US wtf

[tulip furnace]

ok its about 40 bucks on nl amazon

[ashen spindle]

ah ok

[tulip furnace]

not bad ngl

noctua is 115 tho

[cursive summit]

In what world

It was always like 60$

[astral haven]

The d15???

[cursive summit]

Did they get more expensive or something?

[ashen spindle]

it was 90 sure not 60

[astral haven]

It's always been 90 or higher...

[tulip furnace]

https://www.amazon.nl/-/en/Noctua-NH-D15-chromax-black-Dual-Tower-Processor/dp/B07Y87YHRH/ref=sr_1_1?crid=39PO9OAF951R6&keywords=Noctua+DH-15&qid=1691011228&sprefix=noctua+dh-15+%2Caps%2C78&sr=8-1

[ashen spindle]

yeah just get the asassin, does the work for the cpu

[astral haven]

Should be able to save 10 euro I think it was for the unpainted version

[fickle ore]

yer good ole poop colour

[tulip furnace]

lol thx but no thx

[ashen spindle]

well even if its the same price would still say go with noctua if that was the only option vs AiO

same performance as a 2rad AiO but much easier to deal with

[astral haven]

If you want water-cooling performance you have to go custom loop and that's $300+

https://tpucdn.com/review/quick-look-moondrop-chu-2-budget-in-ear-monitors/images/frequency-response.png

[coarse cloak]

been experimenting with some EQ targets on mine

[astral haven]

apparently it sounds plastic rather than metallic which sounds like an improvement?

apparently still fatiguing to vsg

really looking forward to PCI-O
https://www.techpowerup.com/311988/pci-sig-exploring-an-optical-interconnect-to-enable-higher-pcie-technology-performance

duplex lc os2 as the standard connector would also be fantastic

[cursive summit]

mmm, what? https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-accidently-leaks-internal-tool-that-can-enable-hidden-windows-11-features

I wonder how well you could debloat it with this

[astral haven]

we will find out in a week or two lol

[ashen spindle]

#🎮│game message might as well relink that since it is tech as well, ff16 shadow rendering pdf

[astral haven]

Im not sure if anyone already posted this but its such a meme 🤣

[coarse cloak]

LOL

[empty wren]

Made the GPU mount plate for someone this morning😏

[proud pulsar]

How long does it take you to respond to an email, max?

I haven't heard back in 2 weeks

[coarse cloak]

oh

[proud pulsar]

I only received an auto reply email to the email I sent on 7/20

[halcyon moss]

It's so tiring that musk apparrantly does everything at these companies

[astral haven]

🤷 its not spacex or tesla where he has to abide by the will of the shareholders

[deft marlin]

Think my Linux install worked

Just did something extra that made it look erroneous

Load times are ridiculous tho

Done for once and for all

[old marlin]

until you brick it

[deft marlin]

Nah it’s fine

Found t2linux.org, trying some of their stuff

So far everything has to be USB to work, as in mouse, kb and such

built in gear dead

And MacOS EFI is still there

[fair gull]

until you brick it

[frozen mango]

or you can just get spicetify

[cursive summit]

https://twitter.com/TechEpiphany/status/1686047369379418114

TechEpiphany (@TechEpiphany)

Been a while since the last sales numbers... (had to evade some anti scraping measures)

how are Intel/AMD doing?
X3D ftw...

weekend numbers:

#AMD #Intel #AMDRyzen $AMD $INTC

Twitter · Jul 31, 2023, 4:13 PM

[ashen spindle]

God I wish blocking accounts would also not make me see them in embeds lol

[cursive summit]

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html

129.53 million units sold

About time for a hardware refresh

Backwards compatible = 129.53 million people who buy the new one

[wheat plume]

If it's literally just a more powerful Switch then idk why it wouldn't be backwards compatible

They'd have to make it bigger though
To get more power and cooling

[cursive summit]

Not necessarily

[wheat plume]

Hmmm

[cursive summit]

Think about it logically

Each gen doesn't just come with performance improvements

But also better energy efficiency

At the same exact wattage the new Switch 2 would be miles superior to the current Switch

You don't have to push the max overclock out of it

Though that's exactly why homebrew on Switch 2 might be really really interesting

Switch is overclockable already but the gains are meh

Switch 2, if they constrict the SoC to a low power target to match Switch, could have a LOT to gain from an overclock

Nvidia Tegra Orin NX 16GB - 10-25W TDP (Switch 2's SoC generation)
Tegra X1 (Switch 1 SoC) - 15 W

You could get a good amount of performance with an overclock

Orin seems to be able to handle up to 60W overclock

[wheat plume]

I'm just surprised that there are still so much sales.
You'd think after so many years all the people who would want a switch would already have one?

[cursive summit]

OLED model

Plenty of people already have a Switch, and buy a second one

[wheat plume]

How tf is Pikmin more popular than a Zelda game?

[cursive summit]

Or fuckin hell a third one

[wheat plume]

Ahhh

[cursive summit]

Lana, read, darling

[wheat plume]

Xd

[cursive summit]

400k sales in 2 weeks is rather meh for Nintendo though

Nintendo does millions in days with Pokemon and Zelda

[wheat plume]

Problem with that is the shitty cloud saves system
And the "primary and secondary" console situation

[fair gull]

they still have new 2ds systems?

what

[cursive summit]

Pikmin literally a secondary grade franchise

[wheat plume]

Your primary console must always be connected to internet if you want to play on the second one

Or is it the other way around?

Either way
One must be constantly online

[fair gull]

other way and its not constant i think

[wheat plume]

Every reviewer with more than one switch has said constantly

It's drm shit I think

[fair gull]

its so you dont play a single game license on multiple systems

mine worked perfectly fine

for me it was all in the cloud as backup

[cursive summit]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/bmw-explores-next-gen-lidar-to-beat-tesla-to-level-autonomous-vehicles/

[fair gull]

no animal crossing just needs to be used with their save transfer feature

idk how you can even lose the ac island

the backups are free

also the reason AC doesnt transfer has to do with the simple fact of how the save works

its not a user save but a system wide save bound to user accounts

if you launch AC ever since they brought out the save feature it informs you that your island will be saved to the cloud

theres no hard to use

all worked fine for me and my ac island is save on both consoles ¯_(ツ)_/¯

seems like they just assume they know how to transfer everything

[wheat plume]

AC uses its oen backup system

which is confusing

[fair gull]

i literally just pulled up a guide and followed it

[fair gull]

as mentioned has to

its not a user save so they cant use the same system as for the NSO backups

[cursive summit]

That's actually pretty good

Other publishers report below 20% physical

[wheat plume]

FUCK

I got a lot of physical games .-.

I dont want to rebuy them and lose my save

[cursive summit]

Admit it, physical is dead

[wheat plume]

THe problem is, if you buy the game you have physically again digitally, its technicalkly a different game in terms of the switch and you dont have your progress transfer over .-.

[mild dome]

Apparently making cartridges is extremely expensive, especially compared to disks. And due to covid the prices increased.

The next Switch might rely on different tech, maybe online purchases only?

[old marlin]

basically only a matter of time until a dev kit gets leaked

[fair gull]

it transfers over

idk who told you it doesnt but the games are identical

[old marlin]

yea but when was that

[fair gull]

you can literally click download on your homescreen when no game is inserted matching a game you played previously and install the game for it

[old marlin]

flash prices varied a lot since the switch gont introduced

[fair gull]

0 saves lost

[old marlin]

not exaclty what I would call recent

2021 was still fucked by covid

and with nintendo selling as much as they did back then they most likely used up a lot of the supply

[fair gull]

also all the factories that drowned or burned

[old marlin]

well they had more than enough time to ramp up production

or pay for a custom chip

[mild dome]

Switch cartridges suffer some problems

Writeable data requires additional steps to write the data to the chips. Whilst with disks they are stamped out by a press in like 1 step.

Also Nintendo probably wants to use proprietary tech to make it harder to write your own games to cartridges.

I think for the bigger chips Nintendo used some wierd ROM called XROM or something

[fair gull]

if they invent a new disc format for 100gb or so yes

maybe theyll use the rare triple or quadruple layer BD discs

[mild dome]

Holodisks!

[reef patrol]

inb4 multilayered UMD discs.

Basically a read only harddrive, with multiple discs. 😄

[fair gull]

i think starfield prob needs a quad layer

i somehow feel like it easily uses more than 100gb

[mild dome]

Anyway Starfield eve if it could fit on a disk would not be playable from disk only.

Remember: Bethesda game, it's gonna need a 100GB day one patch to fix half the game breaking bugs you'll encounter in the first minute of gameplay

[crisp granite]

@ashen spindle, any deckard news?

[ashen spindle]

I wish

[fair gull]

whats deckard

[ashen spindle]

The thing valve will release soon™️

[fair gull]

whose valve

[ashen spindle]

Sorry, volvo

[fair gull]

ah

so they making a new car

good to know

[cursive summit]

https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/02/iphone-15-charging-port-change/

So, Apple is just so damn keen to find ways to shit on consumers

[reef patrol]

Took them long enough.

[raw zephyr]

as stated in the article, it makes no difference to me, i'd only need to swap my 3.5mm dongle

the only thing i'm really hyped about is the replaceable battery eu law

2027 🥴

[reef patrol]

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23bVb1l6ZQo

[trail crater]

He doesn't seem to use macro

[cursive summit]

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/03/researchers-jailbreak-a-tesla-to-get-free-in-car-feature-upgrades/

[reef patrol]

inb4 lawsuit.

Cause murrica

[cursive summit]

https://wccftech.com/intel-arc-a580-gpu-benchmarks-leak-2-4-ghz-clocks-on-par-amd-radeon-rx-7600/

That naming scheme is bizzar-o

A770 to A580

[ashen spindle]

Literally the same as the cpu with 3/5/7

[cursive summit]

There is no current A5xx GPUs right?

So it's literally a "mid-tier" offering they launched a while into the Alchemist generation

[ashen spindle]

Yes

Probably for oems or laptops or something

[astral haven]

Oh noes my true black mode is gone in discord 😦

[wheat plume]

Yep....it's been broken for the last few weeks :/

[crimson wigeon]

Yeah it looks so bad without the black

[wheat plume]

Very very very bad .-.

I'm committing a discord sin rn and using light theme

Cause the light grey theme is too ugly

[mild dome]

I thought the idea was to go alphabetical. Like Archmage is the A series, Battlemage would be thr B series

[ashen spindle]

alchemist but yes

and that is still alchemist

[cursive summit]

https://scitechdaily.com/chilling-breakthrough-the-science-behind-a-real-life-freeze-ray-technology-for-the-air-force/

Hmm

Extreme overclocking will be going out of control soon

[halcyon moss]

It's probably not real

[cursive summit]

It's very much real probably https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsnano.3c02417

[barren onyx]

any1 know a fix

[reef patrol]

Make a thread over in #1019755933959733258 with more information about your setup.

[astral haven]

Battlemage is second gen, not just a smaller die
I really hope Intel or AMD comes up with some upscaling tech for their gpus so I can buy em

[ashen spindle]

I mean, I have more faith in amd than intel

and I don't have much faith in amd to overtake blackwell with rdna3 hiccup sadly

I have faith in next gen costing a shit ton

[astral haven]

im just talking about the vpu, and intel has already overtaken amd on the vpu side of things

and the current SOTA image denoiser is from intel, they managed to pass nvidia in terms of output image quality

they have the brains and the dollars to do the research

[ashen spindle]

I'm fairly certain intel had some IP from altera or habana that helped there just like I imagine we see some xilinx ip in future radeon ip

[astral haven]

🤷 embree predates both of those by more than 5 years

remember intel had realtime raytracing on a laptop in 2012

now sure it was being rendered off the laptop and streamed over, but it was rendered in real time

[ashen spindle]

sure but thats like pointing out they had 3d stacking with lakefield, having something early on in different form doesnt always lead to better products

[astral haven]

sure but embree was state of the art as well

and they have kept improving

[ashen spindle]

it's just so hard to not have low faith in intel when it comes to anything that worked in the past with how many screw ups they made and still have lol

[astral haven]

remember intel has kept their encoder lead in igpus since they were added to igpus

in fact im pretty sure that intel made the first vpu that could run dvds on a consumer pc

[ashen spindle]

I would like something to compete against nvidia I just dont think amd will do it quite yet and less faith in intel

[astral haven]

🤷 amd doesnt really bother competing on features, they just go ham on the compute

well as ham as they can

intel has always done a ton of focus on features

[ashen spindle]

except they dont go ham because that would be mega expensive so the highest end isnt worth it for them, dGPU really just feels like a toy for RTG

[astral haven]

as ham as they can

while still keeping the same arch from their igpus to the top end

nvidia doesnt really bother with that

[ashen spindle]

I mean with the issues rdna3 has its hard to say if the higher sku that isnt just 3d MCD would have actually worked out

[latent mural]

they would work its just they would draw so much power it'd be insane

Ada Lovelace is super efficient for what it does

[astral haven]

yea intel had mpeg-2 in 1999
earliest i can find from nvidia is 2002

[latent mural]

roman overclocked a 7900xtx using over 600 watts and it still could not match a 4090 at 450 watts

[ashen spindle]

well yeah rdna3 got fucked after pre-si validation

thats old news

thats why we dont have 3d stacked MCD variants of it

[astral haven]

yea the engineers were gunning hard for 3ghz i think it was?

[ashen spindle]

more

you can get an xtx to run like 3.7 in blender on air , that was also supposed to be in gaming

https://twitter.com/mullryan49/status/1615681636049293313 even hit 4ghz front end on it

Ryan - TitanicFreak (@mullryan49)

@VideoCardz They can do a bit more than that in Blender for what it's worth. Seems like computerbase has an average card. Did this run back in December when I first got the card. If you need the attached blender benchmark run I can go for look for that.

My biggest problem was voltage...

Twitter · Jan 18, 2023, 12:04 PM

[astral haven]

yea but it needs crazy voltages

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7600/images/clock-vs-voltage.png

[ashen spindle]

I mean this is still aircooled and you dont get gaming clocks that high

these things always make me hope in like 10-15 years some engineer retires and is allowed to talk about shit and we know what went down

would be so neat

[astral haven]

regardless, radeon doesnt seem to be gunning for the top
just for the price/perf or perf/die area crown

[ashen spindle]

other option I guess would be pivot my carreer and do like assembly coding and end up at direct gpu programming so I know it personally but that's too much effort lol

[astral haven]

i suspect intel is gunning for the top

[ashen spindle]

I mean they were gunning to the top with this lol

[astral haven]

but they werent?

[ashen spindle]

imagine we get this but working and stacked MCDs

[astral haven]

afaik they are still only 1/3 raytracing in dedicated hardware

and they only put their dedicated ai core on their 7040 ryzen chips, nothing from radeon...

at least not for consumer

[ashen spindle]

I mean sure that would have been behind in raw RT still but imagine like control but you have double memory bandwidth and like idk up to 70% higher clocks?

[astral haven]

sure but control does a minimum of rt so that it can run on the consoles

[ashen spindle]

I mean yes I picked the example thats in the middle and not this for example xD

and if the argument is the 4090 is faster*

*in3 total games if RT at max

then that would not really be that impressive lol

[astral haven]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/uYzCuMbiQJjQvKwazFDA8Z-1200-80.png.webp

30 vs 16 compared to the previous gen flagship

70 vs 16 current gen

[ashen spindle]

yeah but again, how many games are actaully having the overdrive mode or similar, then factor in they could do more optimizations if its not nvidia sponsored since amd would offer more compelling options too

I'm not saying it would have been the best everywhere

[astral haven]

this lack of performance is holding us back from being able to go full bore into raytracing thanks to the consoles

[ashen spindle]

nah RT on consoels would also run into the issue it puts more load onto cpus and sony for example is also working on custom RT acceleration etc.

[astral haven]

except thats very untrue

if we didnt have to keep the rasterization around because the raytracing is fast enough, we wouldnt have the double penalty that all of these games have

[ashen spindle]

not every step is set to fixed function hardware on the gpu yet, even pure RT for a 4090 has parts the cpu still needs to do

[astral haven]

gpu

[ashen spindle]

no

[astral haven]

nvidia does 2/3 of the rt on rt cores and 1/3 of the rt on cuda

the cpu just needs to feed

and the 1/3 that nvidia does on cuda is a fixed cost per frame situation regardless of resolution

now if games are manually building their bvhes on cpu for some reason or other, thats on them
none of the nvidia demos do that

[ashen spindle]

the bvh and such gets build on the gpu yes but you still have more objects in the scene that you now cant cull anymore and that means the entire world has more entities that needs to be managed, which means on desktop especially where you dont have shared storage you need to keep more around and fill your cpu cache etc.

[astral haven]

remember, games have to make compromises for the lowest common denominator
radeon is that right now

[astral haven]

thats not "required" it just makes things look better

[ashen spindle]

I mean if you say its not required then you throw out what RTRT is supposed to do better

if you ignore light sources elsewhere or reflections from things behind you etc.

[astral haven]

again tho thats not a problem with higher quality rt

rt overdrive doesnt really change anything relating to that?

its not pure rtrt still

it just converts more light sources to rt light rather than raster

[ashen spindle]

yes but you still have all the places offscreen that bounce rays or have light sources

[astral haven]

which happen regardless of the amount of rt you do as long as you do any at all

the penalty is paid

[ashen spindle]

and then having more of that means its still more vs doing baked light that allows you to cull all objects not visible

[astral haven]

except that isnt true because you are already raytracing the light

theres just more light to deal with now

overdrive in cyberpunk does increase the offscreen requirements because it increases the render distance

but they didnt have to do that

these are independent variables

[ashen spindle]

my point was that it will increase cpu load so on consoles rdna is still not the only reason RTRT is held back

I don't actually know how much that scales

but it still uses some resources that you cant share from just having shared memory

[astral haven]

yes but it doesnt increase cpu load

[ashen spindle]

RT on increases cpu load vs RT off

[astral haven]

yes but RT is already on

[ashen spindle]

but even better RT on consoles would still be held back because sometimes it might end up they dont have the budget on cpu resources for it, regardless of how well the RT would be

[astral haven]

quin

im talking about games that are already using rt

[ashen spindle]

this is what I was arguing against

[halcyon willow]

Nvidia on top

[astral haven]

if the radeon core could handle as complex scenes as nvidia does on the hardware, the scenes would be more complex in the games that support consoles

cyberpunk is proof of that

[ashen spindle]

we could have better RT but still not go full bore because some games would still not have resources for RT

[astral haven]

obviously

but i consider the transition to rasterization to be going full bore

same with the transition to shading

despite neither of them hitting 100% share still despite it being 20+ years since each of them

now after 20 years we are over 99% but it took a while for each of them

the day that there is a radeon gpu on a commercial virtual production set is the day that i consider radeon to have tried hard enough with raytracing

but amd doesnt care, all the workstations are running (w)epyc anyways

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/LmuoBSNkDtF2LH85KN8eC9-1200-80.png.webp
neat
shame they didnt test the sn740 or the micron 2400

[ashen spindle]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/coreweave-raises-23-billion-debt-collateralized-by-nvidia-chips-2023-08-03/ hahahahaha

[astral haven]

how much stock do i need to buy to get given an h100 when they go under?

[ashen spindle]

no clue but this is some bubble that will burst lol

[astral haven]

well i do very much want a h100 and im willing to wait a while

[ashen spindle]

[fickle ore]

we need a stock channel

wooting#stocks

[astral haven]

eh stocks are a technology of sorts

[marsh glade]

I love to nerd out over the markets, but having that as a channel would only lead to problems

[marsh glade]

This is hilarious though

[ashen spindle]

I mean I also only care about tech related stocks so still fits

[marsh glade]

My favorite part of that article is "The new financing will be used to acquire more graphics processing units, "

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

[ashen spindle]

yeah thats the part that confused me

you use collateral to buy more of the thing you use as collateral..

[marsh glade]

Leverage your debt with more debt to use as leverage for debt, using an asset that is expected to lose value over time

[ashen spindle]

well

[marsh glade]

They keep and get to use all the GPUs

[cursive summit]

https://videocardz.com/newz/powercolor-leaks-radeon-rx-7800-xt-red-devil-navi-32-with-3840-cores-and-16gb-confirmed

[ashen spindle]

to lose value at certain times, not till next gen but then very fast

[marsh glade]

As long as they pay their bills

Otherwise what, the bank is going to come in with a front end loader and repo them?

[cursive summit]

I am having a hard time understanding why does the 7800XT exist in the current product stack

[ashen spindle]

jp morgan coming in and just btc farming on the collateral they collect

[cursive summit]

7800XT looks a lot worse than the GRE

is it going to be a 499$ product?

No way in hell it will be

[ashen spindle]

gre is N31 this is N32

[cursive summit]

If GRE is 649$, I don't see the 7800XT being good value if it's above 499$

[fickle ore]

gre is too xpensive :f

[astral haven]

you can do that with food plants to be fair

[ashen spindle]

look I'm just a stupid programmer I dont try to attempt understanding how the market works anywhere

[astral haven]

come on you gotta at least keep up with the h100 futures speculation market

[fickle ore]

You could also be a trader pretty easily

just buy 0dtes

on robinhood

[astral haven]

thats gambling not trading

[ashen spindle]

I think I would find it easier to make rocm beat cuda than become a trader

[fickle ore]

XD

[ashen spindle]

should be fire sale since n32 would replace it so they are likely trying to get rid of them

[cursive summit]

That's how it costs nowadays

[astral haven]

thats a you issue lol

yes?

because they gotta yeet old stock, but some people want to hold on to stock for a while for unknown reasons

yep
also some of those are bots

[ashen spindle]

also new sku so perhaps different deals for rebates and vendor sales etc.

[astral haven]

yea it could be amd emptying a warehouse to prepare for whatever comes next

[astral haven]

the march of technology proceeds ever onwards!

i just paid $0 for a micro sd card thanks to samsung

[ashen spindle]

moores law is schrödingers cat

gpus cost more, ssds less

[astral haven]

apparently i only saved $5 as well

[astral haven]

moores law says nothing about price btw

[ashen spindle]

I know

[astral haven]

just moore transistors per chip

as of now regardless of your definition of a chip, cerebras has pushed the end of moores law until at least 2027 i think it was?

[ashen spindle]

would need to check transistorcount but yeah something like that

2029 for WSE1 and 2031 or 32 with WSE2

[astral haven]

nice

yea we are currently only "supposed" to be at 166b transistors and wse2 has 15x that

[ashen spindle]

I mean technically you should also look at how much is disabled there since it has redundancy and planned to have x% defects beyond what normal socs would do

[astral haven]

but those arent part of the circuit

[ashen spindle]

they should be

[astral haven]

IC stands for Integrated circuit not waste material

[ashen spindle]

yeah and x% of the IC is planned to be redundant for defects and turning parts off when yield isnt good enough in that area

[astral haven]

yea but we cant count those transistors as part of the final product tho
you dont say a macbook is 1kg of aluminum when they just used a 1kg block as the base and removed .8kg of aluminum to form the final product

[ashen spindle]

but the entire chip is counted since it could be 70% or 80% enabled etc.

at least from my undersatnding the numbers are for total transistors

[astral haven]

🤷 nvidia doesnt do that

and again its not part of the IC

a single wafer can have more than 1 IC ofc but imo that doesnt count

1 IC

we can argue about counting MCMs

is a stack with 2TB of nand 16 trillion transistors in a single ic?
that single package definetly contains that many...

if that counts we are definetly crushing moores law

[ashen spindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ all I know is the 2.6 trillion number on WSE2 is the entire thing and that is never active on anything

[astral haven]

oh wait i forgot to account for qlc
its 5.3 trillion transistors for the micron 232 layer 2tb nand chip

i was using the 2.5 trillion number published elsewhere?

[astral haven]

Interesting

Maybe 2.6 is pre and 2.5 is post yield?

[deft marlin]

Speaking of which, no built in HID hardware works

And it’s actually not uncommon, someone else tried Ubuntu and had the same issue

[ashen spindle]

the only places I could find saying 2.5 say 2.6 in text as if one of them was a typo lol

[deft marlin]

Wtf

Bandwidth in PB?

[ashen spindle]

look at the chip

[deft marlin]

[ashen spindle]

thats 1 chip

[deft marlin]

Yes ik unreleased

[ashen spindle]

no I mean the size

[deft marlin]

Oh wait good spotting

[astral haven]

It's released...

[ashen spindle]

WSE is an entire wafer as chip

you make like dozens or hundreds of normal sized chips usually out of one

this is making it into a single chip

[astral haven]

From and tech "Cerebras has enabled 2.6 trillion transistors for 850,000 cores "
That seems to imply 2.6t are enabled

[deft marlin]

0-0

[astral haven]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/spectrum.ieee.org/amp/ai-supercomputer-2662304872-2662304872
They are working on a 36 exaflop network

[deft marlin]

And just to think that folding at home is a mere single exabyte with all computers from some hundred of thousands of PCs combined

[astral haven]

That's more compute than the entire top500 combined (tho it's less precise)

[deft marlin]

Honestly what for

[astral haven]

And fah has severe overhead that means that despite all that power only part of it goes to work

[deft marlin]

Simulating an entire planet of human beings in a decade?

finding out when the earth would be overpopulated?

[astral haven]

Nah, it's for renting out small chunks

[deft marlin]

Awwww maaaannn

[deft marlin]

well no shit

[astral haven]

Well it's not obvious

[deft marlin]

Probably would up the rent price

If the transistor count is particularly attractive

[deft marlin]

36 exaflop, that easy?

Imagine looking for EVGA 4090

[astral haven]

You don't rent a full system you would rent a certain percentage of a single chip

[ashen spindle]

hmm but now that N32 is announced maybe its time to put my guesses for next gen into an email to myself and set it to auto send in 6 months

[snow moon]

https://youtu.be/cMWnAMScFws

[pale sigil]

its great lol

[vagrant pagoda]

bg3 is 100% useage on my 5800x3d

[wheat plume]

Discord.... Fix AMOLED theme

[wheat plume]

Hmmm......
I think this is meant to say members and not online

Unless there really is 52 thousand people online at once rn

[severe phoenix]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-is-4-times-more-popular-than-amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-steam/

[astral haven]

amd is acknowledging part of the problem at least

[latent mural]

lol

0.47% 4080 and 0.17% for the xtx that's pretty rough

I guess people don't want a card that's only $200 cheaper, draws more power and has less features and performs worse in some scenarios

[halcyon moss]

As if 200 is not a lot of money

[crimson wigeon]

Relative, when those cards are stupid expensive to begin with

[thorn cypress]

I think the problem with amd is that their encoders are not good

[raw zephyr]

imo amd cards are only really worth considering if you use linux and still nvidia runs just fine

[thorn cypress]

I got an amd card and I'm satisfied

nvidia is still good if you intend to just run xorg

but for wayland you pretty much have to use an amd card

[raw zephyr]

when i had an amd card, i remember there was an unresolved dx9 bug regarding anisotropic filtering, last time i checked it was still unresolved

[thorn cypress]

and yes I game on wayland

[raw zephyr]

god bless you

is there any actual way of forcing vsync off?

[thorn cypress]

for osu it's pretty nice

wayland announced the tearing protocol like last year

to allow tearing

[raw zephyr]

interesting

i just run x, i couldn't get the sens just right on wayland

• forced vsync

[thorn cypress]

there's also a setting called max_render_time on sway

I use 2 for osu

my friends who have played on my setup said my setup is really nice for osu

[raw zephyr]

have you tried 1?

does it just stutter?

[thorn cypress]

tbh I haven't but I can try soon

[raw zephyr]

the difference is gonna be miniscule anyways

[thorn cypress]

I think it would get a bit unstable so I just went with 2

[raw zephyr]

makes sense

also encoder is a big deal for me and nvenc is just far superior in this regard

even with the "recent" updates to amf, it's still very much behind

[thorn cypress]

I think cuda and nvenc are what's better in nvidia and are worth considering

[raw zephyr]

i could not switch to wayland with nvidia right now anyways, no custom edid support

it does work on amd though, you can force it with kernel params iirc

[thorn cypress]

nvidia could be as good for linux if they open sourced more of their driver stuff

[raw zephyr]

indeed, their market could get a little bigger

i don't think i ever tried the nouveau drivers, i just went with proprietary from the get go to avoid issues

[thorn cypress]

I tried watching a replay with max_render_time set to 1 but there were no frame drops but will set it to 2 just in case

my first graphical linux experience was using nouveau and it flashed my eyes with a 144Hz monitor

it would only render 60Hz or so and between those frames there was black

[raw zephyr]

not great

are you knowledgeable in audio buffer size?

[thorn cypress]

not enough to call myself knowledgeable

but I know quants

[raw zephyr]

the lower you go, the less latency at the cost of "stability" right?

[thorn cypress]

iirc quant divided with sample rate was the latency

yea

[raw zephyr]

i compared 128 and 256, no audible difference in latency, but 128 introduced some hissing when there was a lot of stuff happening

no difference in cpu utilization either

[thorn cypress]

I go with default pipewire config because my mic wouldn't work otherwise when playing csgo

[raw zephyr]

ah

[latent mural]

1000 to 1200 is not that much more

[raw zephyr]

i remember i had some issues with my interface, it would just output empty loopback when i was playing proton games

now it seems to be fixed

[thorn cypress]

the default config just works for me

[halcyon willow]

And if you’re at 1200 might as well save up and get the 4090 lol

400 bucks for much better performance sounds like a trade off anyone would take

[raw zephyr]

yeah same for me, i just wanted to dig around with it, for the sake of digging around with it

[latent mural]

it depends on your country

[thorn cypress]

that's a way you learn

[latent mural]

4080 here is 1300 eur 4090 is 1900 eur

thats a huge difference

[halcyon willow]

True but still

[raw zephyr]

i started single booting linux not too long ago and i'm honestly kind of surprised how seamless the transition was

[latent mural]

wait you actually daily linux

[thorn cypress]

I still have my windows install for school stuff

for other stuff I just use linux

[latent mural]

i'd swap over because ngl windows is fucking slow as shit and i'd like smth new

i'd dualboot but im too lazy to set everything up again

[raw zephyr]

i completely switched when my windows install broke down on me

[raw zephyr]

all games i play run just fine under proton, that's all i need

[latent mural]

thats fair

[raw zephyr]

you are able to compete even on linux

[halcyon willow]

Better performance?

[thorn cypress]

if you play valorant, keep your windows install

same for faceit I think

[halcyon willow]

Linux looks like a crazy venture

[raw zephyr]

about the same

[thorn cypress]

for me osu stutters a lot on windows but on linux it only stutters when I have just launched it and doesn't stutter anymore after that

[raw zephyr]

input feels much better tho

[thorn cypress]

the performance loss with wine is basically none

it just translates the windows api

there are exceptions though where some games run really bad

[raw zephyr]

i have some shader stutters in a 2008 dx9 game with a poorly modified ue3

[thorn cypress]

but most games run well

[raw zephyr]

but i don't think that counts

the whole game is a mess.

quake live, kovaaks just runs; install and play

[thorn cypress]

osu also just runs perfectly as long as you use a well patched wine

what is special k?

[raw zephyr]

never heard of it

[thorn cypress]

I found some github user or something for it

Special K does a bit of everything. It is best known for fixing and enhancing graphics, its many detailed performance analysis and correction mods, and a constantly growing palette of tools that solve a wide variety of issues affecting PC games.

[raw zephyr]

not quite smart from the introduction

[thorn cypress]

I've never heard of it before either

[reef patrol]

Calm yo tits, Chrome 😄

[latent mural]

i wish there was an extension that bypassed this dogshit

[raw zephyr]

how dare you don't use nvcleanstall mansen...

[latent mural]

i forgot that shit even existed ngl

[thorn cypress]

seems like just patches for many chonker games so they would run better and/or qol improvements

[cursive summit]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/virtual-reality/hololens-3-microsoft-has-patented-a-new-modular-hmd-that-looks-a-little-more-consumer-friendly we have Deckard at home

[thorn cypress]

nice

those stuff aren't usually as easy as on windows

nowadays most stuff on steam just run

if it doesn't just run, check https://www.protondb.com/ if there's some required tinkering

epic embed

I recommend trying linux if you have an interest or need for it

if you have neither, I don't recommend

[fair gull]

basically same

i do my anything but gaming on macos now

and host some server stuff with debian my love

[thorn cypress]

gaming on arch is pretty nice

I really didn't like the package manager of debian

of course arch repos have bad packages once in a while and they cause some issues but I just usually roll back until it's fixed

[severe phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/15hae0e/upgrades_gentlemen/

SpecialK is also good software, should use it for everything

[cursive summit]

https://9to5mac.com/2023/08/03/tim-cook-touts-that-apple-has-been-investing-in-generative-ai-tech-for-years/

Sure doesn't seem that way

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evidence-shows-ai-driven-companies-are-buying-up-gaming-gpus

[old marlin]

thing is

china has basically no supply of compute cards atm

[old marlin]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/man-tried-to-smuggle-239-cpus-into-china

wdym they are doing fine

https://wccftech.com/china-customs-detain-individual-32000-usd-worth-m-2-ssds-wrapped-around-waist/

absolutely fine

[ashen spindle]

ah looks whats public info now https://twitter.com/Kepler_L2/status/1687388515670056960

Kepler (@Kepler_L2)

Navi4 lineup will not have any high-end GPUs

Think of it like RDNA1 or Polaris generation.

Twitter · Aug 4, 2023, 9:02 AM

[latent mural]

i wouldnt really trust leaks like these so far out

[ashen spindle]

I mean it's not that far out

[latent mural]

isn't this the same guy that said the RDNA2 flagship wont perform better than 2080ti and then it almost matched a 3090 lol

[ashen spindle]

dont think so

[latent mural]

it quite literally is

[ashen spindle]

keplers infos have mostly been accurate

[latent mural]

Cards come out every 2 years, it hasn't even been 1 year since RDNA3/ada launched

[cursive summit]

It's 3 years now

[latent mural]

leaks these early are really not a good idea

[cursive summit]

If we are getting Nvidia's 5000 series in 2025

[latent mural]

i highly doubt it

[ashen spindle]

rdna4 latest infos has been to come in 2024

[cursive summit]

I mean if you don't trust Nvidia's own product slides then

Whatever

Nvidia 5000 -> 2025

[latent mural]

not a big difference between Q4 of 2024 and Q1 2025 ngl

i doubt RNDA4 their best card can even match the 4090

[cursive summit]

That's why it doesn't make much sense to go high end

[latent mural]

I always go for the best of the best

[ashen spindle]

yes that is literally what the tweet said, they canned high end so that could very well be accurate lol

[cursive summit]

They have underdelivered with RX 7000, they better iron out the node and focus on the 4090 competitor and mid-end

[latent mural]

kinda sucks ngl

[ashen spindle]

yes

[latent mural]

there wont be a 4090 competitor from them

[cursive summit]

There's room for them to do a massive card

[latent mural]

maybe for Rasterization

but in anything else no

[ashen spindle]

they had a massive card and that is the thing that got canned

[latent mural]

the 4090 already has a 90% lead in RT thats without DLSS 3

[cursive summit]

RT

I love how people keep advocating for RT

[latent mural]

I use it on a daily basis

It's important to me

[cursive summit]

For work?

[latent mural]

no for gaming

[cursive summit]

Your own loss then

[latent mural]

own loss?

[cursive summit]

Whatever, not the topic at hand

[latent mural]

i have 70 fps in cyberpunk with rt ultra at 4k

how is that a loss

[cursive summit]

We know virtually next to nothing about Navi 4 specs in general yet

[latent mural]

yeah

[cursive summit]

Kepler and Urakaze are somewhat reliable

The guy that said RX 7000 series will be the best thing ever has left Twitter once his sham got exposed

[latent mural]

wait isnt Kepler also the same guy that said the 4090 will be 800 watts?

or was that someone else

I just can't trust these leaks anymore after I've seen all the dogshit about 600-800 watt ada cards stock ngl

[ashen spindle]

who cares time to cryostasis for rdna5 /s

[latent mural]

I cant wait for Ada next next on 1nm TSMC 6090ti

[cursive summit]

Ah, this guy https://twitter.com/KOMACHI_ENSAKA

[ashen spindle]

I mean that's kind of on you if you dont factor in that even accurate leaks can end up different on the real product

[cursive summit]

Komachi is AMD's equivalent of the Nvidia guy

[ashen spindle]

you could literally ask lisa or jensen and if for some reason they would answer you what they know, that's not stopping issues or improvements to make the final product better or worse

[latent mural]

I'd only trust leaks that are about 6 months from the launch and even then

we are way too early for this shit rn

[cursive summit]

Not at all

Hardware is made years in advance

[ashen spindle]

not really though, you wouldn't cann an entire sku a few weeks before launch lol

[cursive summit]

If AMD launches next gen in 2024, they already should have prototypes running

[latent mural]

i hope maybe this time they dont draw 400 watts while getting beaten by an undervolted 4080

[cursive summit]

Which of the 7000 series draws 400 watts?

All of them are about ~300

[latent mural]

the 7900XTX

it does 350w by default and can do 400 easily

[cursive summit]

Just undervolt it then

[latent mural]

wouldn't help too much especially with buggy software

[cursive summit]

What buggy software

[latent mural]

AMDs software

[cursive summit]

It's buggy?

News to me

[latent mural]

from what i've seen with reviewers on both RNDA 1 and 2 they said they could never get a proper oc or undervolt

[cursive summit]

That's off

My RX 5700 sits well under a good undervolt

Through radeon software

[latent mural]

that was on launch

[cursive summit]

Which was like 5 years ago???

[latent mural]

it matters

[ashen spindle]

yeah no thats just wrong, my launch day 6800 also had no issues there either

OC/UV just worked

[cursive summit]

That makes no sense lol

[latent mural]

if your shit is broken on launch like the 7900xtx with the VR performance you will care

or with the idle power draw

[raw zephyr]

when i had my 5700xt even jesus couldn't help the radeon software

[latent mural]

oof

[raw zephyr]

nothing worked properly

[ashen spindle]

yes rdna1 at the start was a mess that's well known

[latent mural]

I wonder what the fuck went wrong with their gpu division tho

on cpu they are doing so good

[cursive summit]

It's not really a primary concern for AMD

AMD does enterprise mainly nowadays

[latent mural]

yeah that sucks

[ashen spindle]

that's false

[cursive summit]

What is RTG's funding compared to the rest of the company?

Like 10%?

[ashen spindle]

what is the next big thing in enterprise?

an APU

[latent mural]

not sure about

[ashen spindle]

you need your gpu IP for that

[latent mural]

those 96 core epic cpus are kinda nutty tho

[raw zephyr]

nvidia also mainly does enterprise lol

[cursive summit]

Quin isn't Mi400 and such not made by RTG?

There's another division on those

[latent mural]

yeah you can tell easily

I think Jensen forgot a $200 discount on everything but the 4090

he is a busy guy it seems

[ashen spindle]

cdna/rdna is still RTG

[latent mural]

I wonder when they'll drop that new amd bios that unlocks 6000mhz+ for everyone tho

I'd love a 7950X at like 7000mhz against an X3D and a 13900K

[ashen spindle]

the agesa is out already so up to board vendors to pack it into a bios

[latent mural]

yeah i saw

[ashen spindle]

but doesnt do much for gaming bc 2:1 mode

[latent mural]

oh right

2:1

[latent mural]

Intel runs 2:1 always since DDR5 iirc no?

[latent mural]

"the more you buy, the more you save"

[ashen spindle]

uhhh I think it might be 2:1 for intel but I'm not sure, think the bigger issue on amd is the IF clock that seems to only work for certain spots and that limits it

[latent mural]

Yeah AMD is really picky with memory

on 7950X 5200 vs 6000 has a huge impact on perf

but on the X3D it barely cares

[ashen spindle]

makes sense

[raw zephyr]

thanks V

[latent mural]

I'd like to daily drive an intel cpu again but that power draw is fucking hideous

even the 7950X3D can almost match it in production workloads while pulling half the power

[ashen spindle]

don't worry it will be better since next gen is another refresh, higher TDP is better right?

[latent mural]

LMAO yeah

[raw zephyr]

i've been using my 9900k for many years, still doing pretty good

[latent mural]

I had that cpu too but the mobo died after 3 years

so i swapped to 5950x and now 5800x3d

[raw zephyr]

i was thinking about 5800x3d or 7800x3d, but honestly, i don't need it

[latent mural]

the i7 now has 20 cores so that will do well for power and the i9 has +200mhz

[ashen spindle]

hahahhahaha holy shit videocardz is so braindead

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1687392576293203968

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

@Kepler_L2 Worth a try, @sherkelman Can you confirm or debunk this rumor?

Twitter · Aug 4, 2023, 9:18 AM

[latent mural]

between the 5800x3d and 5950x there was about 20% for me at 1440p ultrawide in cpu bound games with a 3090ti

[ashen spindle]

let me ask amd if these leaks are accurate so they know people are leaking info...

[latent mural]

i paid 300 for my X3D and sold my 5950X for 500 so I did good

[cursive summit]

I mean, they know anyways

[raw zephyr]

i play 1080p240

[latent mural]

I see

[cursive summit]

Not like twitter is a closed community

[latent mural]

I switched to 4k144 recently so the cpu isnt really a factor for this gpu

[ashen spindle]

I mean best case they know and it changes nothign worst case a leak side is making sure leaks are noticed by the company??

or does like actually thing he would ever get an answer there

[latent mural]

videocardz comments are by far the most retarded i've seen

they are way worse than r/amd or r/intel copers

[cursive summit]

That's why r/ayyymd is the best

[ashen spindle]

as a site only relevant for leaks, why would you ever do this lmfao

[latent mural]

it could be just the social media guy trolling

[ashen spindle]

the site is just one guy so its the same person

[latent mural]

maybe he is trolling himself

[raw zephyr]

twitter is such a shit hole now

[latent mural]

twitter?!

its called X now!

this looks so bad on your browser bar too LOL

im constantly thinking if i forgot to close my porn tabs but its fucking twitter

[raw zephyr]

not being able to browse profiles without having an account is so awful

[reef patrol]

It keeps changing back and forth for me.

[ashen spindle]

my ios app still has the bird and so does tweetdeck so for me its still twitter

[latent mural]

yeah it does that on my phone

[raw zephyr]

and most companies tend to post their product updates on there

[reef patrol]

It's the worst social media - Except for all the other ones 😄

[latent mural]

really suspicious

how is that a hot take

you only go on twitter when you are depressed so that you can feel better about yourself

the animals on that platform are something else

[raw zephyr]

i signed up for newsletter from different companies, i think i was sent like 2 emails

[latent mural]

i have so many spam emails

[raw zephyr]

I keep 0 inbox

archive or delete

[latent mural]

i never check email unless its for shipments

i'm going to grab my f5 script and refresh emails until september

for the wooting

I'm just too lazy to bother

I'll just turn off notification badges

no!

[halcyon moss]

you can also use the youremail+tag@gmail

[latent mural]

i need a way to build a time machine so i can get teleported to December 2023

that way i have both the tofu and the wooting

😭

tf is quakecon

[old marlin]

quake on uhh

[latent mural]

oh US shit

i'm eu

i wouldnt get it

do i have patience tho

[old marlin]

quakecon = get clapped by rapha lan party

[latent mural]

LOL

[thorn cypress]

Do cool stuff in the meantime

[latent mural]

time to start the gym arc then

im already doing weight loss

[thorn cypress]

Good idea

I don't go to the gym but I lift weights at home

[latent mural]

remaster?

i hope you mean remake

i hope they also remake not remaster rdr1 but thats just coping

atleast please dont be grove street games

[old marlin]

rip red dead revolver

most overlooked game

[latent mural]

i heard about it, never bothered to check the story

also the midnight club thing no

[old marlin]

with the difference that not everyone is looking at table tennis 3

they just dropped midnight club