🔌│tech

[sharp badger]

The Pixel 7 Pro have 5x zoom, right?

[astral haven]

yep

[sharp badger]

The upcoming iPhone will probably have better lenses overall

[astral haven]

yep rumored real telephoto

currently the most zoomed in iphone is around 50 mil equiv, which is technically considered the exact center point between zoomed in and wide

[frozen ingot]

might finally be time to upgrade in a year or two then

[astral haven]

for the most zoomed in,
xiaomi and pixel are around 120
but samsung is at 240

but samsung is throwing a 10mp sensor on there and by default upscales it to 12mp just to meet bare minimum

Heres some samples with the pixel and the samsung
see which you like

both photos were taken at the same time
both at 10x zoom
||s23 left pixel right||

[fickle ore]

Same? just other pic is raining, goddamn

[sharp badger]

Liked the pic on the left

[astral haven]

you can tell that the pictures were taken within minutes of each other purely from the positions of the people...
its a pretty poor showing for ||google || on this shot

spoilers if you want to see which is which ofc

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/samsung-galaxy-s23-ultra-vs-google-pixel-7-pro-camera-comparison/#dt-heading-galaxy-s23-ultra-vs-pixel-7-pro-telephoto-camera
sauce

the interesting part is how xiaomi looks pretty fantastic from first impressions

and it should be pretty interesting in the future to see what sort of success people can have from using the same sensors as much as possible

[sharp badger]

Yeah just dislike the bloat that comes with some of the phones but still I've been eyeing the S23 Ultra but will wait until October when most of the phones have released to see if Google or Apple will release anything good

[astral haven]

ive got an s21 and the s23 has the exact same camera system besides the main sensor so its completly pointless for me to switch

[sharp badger]

Yeah is the battery life still good?

[astral haven]

yep, plenty tho it was starting to not quite last a day 6 months ago so i dropped from 1440p to 1080p and its back to lasting the day

[sharp badger]

Ok my 1+ 8 is starting to show it's age on the battery but feels like it's usually around 3 years these phones last

[astral haven]

yea
im definetly in the market for a new phone

[sharp badger]

But it isn't that bad honestly and it helps with the quick charging (90Hz always on)

[gusty kiln]

waiting to see how SD 7 Gen 1 does with a 5000mah battery

[astral haven]

very disappointed that the xperia 1 v uses the same zoom lens as the iv
im probably not going to get xiaomi simply because i dont want to have reception problems, so im stuck waiting until s24 if i want a new samsung
iphone is gonna be a tough sell unless they add real telephoto, sideloading, usbc with video out, and a desktop mode all in 1 go, and im highly doubtful

[gusty kiln]

apple's version of dex will simply be stage manager

on ios

[sharp badger]

The Xperia has nice specs too

[astral haven]

🤷 as long as i can watch vids on my monitor using a dock on my phone ill be happy

[gusty kiln]

motorola has ready for

but their camera is not even top 10

[astral haven]

yea i aint downgrading from what ive got...

im willing to take a tiny hit on the max zoom as long as its still better than my vision

[sharp badger]

Huawei would have such good phones but the ban stopped that from happening when they can't have Android

[astral haven]

the xiaomis look better on paper even tho imo

[sharp badger]

Haven't looked at the newest Huawei phone need to check that then 👀

[astral haven]

https://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=12172&idPhone2=12236

basically an entire gen behind on all fronts despite being less than a month earlier

oh my god and they dont even have the 7680fps slo mo any more
only 960
the xiaomi has 1920fps...

pain

[sharp badger]

Seems like it 😅

[cursive summit]

Can't wait for the new ones to actually release

Xperia 5 series will be nutty

Those cameras are DSLR levels

[astral haven]

Yes maybe for someone who hasn't used a DSLR lol

Like sure it's price competitive with cameras, but for $1200 you are barely scraping the bottom of the price bracket of milc's

[old gulch]

If I ever take a photo with a new phone, it’ll be astrophotography

hell I’ll wait till retirement if necessary

room too small to store adapters and the like rn

[astral haven]

canon ef 300mm f4 + 2x teleconverter is crazy awesome for astro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZUdklX0bnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNL16fnmHyU
this was with a really really shaky tripod that was blowing around in the wind, I was able to take some pretty nice quality video
focus is very annoying, but the quality is solid

and if you want to zoom in more, you can just keep adding more teleconverters

[pale sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pixel_phones/comments/13x8nyh/battery_life_of_my_new_pixel_7a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pixel_phones/comments/13slvc5/pixel_7a_battery_life_in_the_second_week/

[astral haven]

peeps aint happy

[pale sigil]

man im close to returning it

[astral haven]

a54 lookin better and better...

[pale sigil]

woke up (10:30 but did not touch my phone till 11am as its something im working on) to 77% and today i used youtube for 30 min and checked a few messages, left the house around 12pm with 63% and just checked messages... arrived at 12:30 and im at 48% and while its on silent in the cinema after the film its 38%!

I dont use it much!!!

even so it looks like i can only get a few hours screen time

its horrid

[astral haven]

thats actually awful

[pale sigil]

it is

im fedup

my last phone was a pita but at least it made sense why the battery sucked! lol

[old gulch]

My iPhone SE about the same but a little better

[pale sigil]

idk why no one is talking about the issues with the 7A

[pale sigil]

Would make sense in that case though

[old gulch]

It loses life rapidly <50%

[pale sigil]

btw

[astral haven]

the se has half the physical battery of the pixel lmao

[old gulch]

Before that it was about an hour 10%

[pale sigil]

this was with battery saver @astral haven!

My phone is impossible to use without battery saver on

And 5g disabled

A lot of people are blaming the tensor as its exynos

[astral haven]

and my work iphone se goes into my backpack full at 5 on friday and i can pull it out on monday at 8 and itll have 5-10% still available
and it has location tracking or whatever

[astral haven]

tensor is exynos in the same way that the snapdragon 888 was

[pale sigil]

Either way, im gonna ask for a replacement and hope it fixes it lol

[astral haven]

yea it could very well be a physical battery issue

[pale sigil]

my return window is closing

[old gulch]

My MacBook Pro from 2020 is a legend at battery life

[pale sigil]

My last phone actually had an issue with the battery sensor

[old gulch]

I left it for 2 months and it remained alive with 20% to boot

[pale sigil]

im just cursed

[old gulch]

what sorcery is this

[astral haven]

yea but thats off lol

[pale sigil]

if it does not fix my issue i think ill get an A54

ngl

[old gulch]

hmm elaborate @astral haven

[astral haven]

it doesnt have cell signal

it doesnt send notifications

[pale sigil]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Galaxy-Graphite-German-Version/dp/B0BYMPCWHN/ref=sr_1_3_mod_primary_new?crid=1CHQ4N7NYU35R&keywords=samsung+a54&qid=1685744342&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=samsung+a54%2Caps%2C59&sr=8-3

fucking hell

oh its US only? wot

nvm its third paty seller

[latent mural]

just a get iphone

[pale sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-suicide-fake-gun-how-i-met-your-mother-barny-stinson-gif-4729061

me if i do

[astral haven]

I wouldnt be too torn up if i had to get an iphone if it had usbc and sideloading

[pale sigil]

i just hate ios

phone wise

[astral haven]

🤷 wouldnt be a problem if you had sideloading

[pale sigil]

i had to jailbreak to enjoy it

[astral haven]

and if you had sideloading natively, you wouldnt need to

[pale sigil]

I love this 7a so much

i really do

People suggest resetting but i dont think that will do anything

[astral haven]

again it could physically be a defect in the battery

[pale sigil]

ye

[fading ore]

Sideloading works fine

[astral haven]

no it doesnt lol

[fading ore]

Works for me 🤷‍♂️

Haven't had an issue using the intended way to load apps onto iPhones (using xcode)

There's also third party apps on windows and linux to sideload apps.

[astral haven]

yea and how long do those apps work...

[fading ore]

Works as long as you keep the signing server up on your local system.
If not, 1 week without dev account, 1 year with.

[astral haven]

so it works for zero seconds unless you have a computer...

[latent mural]

do you have to renew the apps every 7 days?

[fading ore]

I personally do not. I keep a signing server running on my desktop
Although if you don't want to do that, then yes.

[astral haven]

during lunch today, my phone recompiled an app and installed it without using a computer

and i did that while i was taking a walk in the park

[pale sigil]

@fading oreSideloading on IOS is ass

[latent mural]

ah yeahh i know that from the altstore that shit sucks

[pale sigil]

I shouldn't have to use a jailbreak to consitently sideload

altserver does not auto resign every week afaik

and altstore does indeed suck

[fading ore]

I don't use altstore

[pale sigil]

either way

[fading ore]

that shit sucks

[pale sigil]

having to use third party software and having to resign every week is just horrid

i gave up with my IPad doing all that shit

[astral haven]

what apple cope addicts call sideloading is only a tiny subset of what sideloading actually is...
if you need external devices, its hackery not sideloading support

[fading ore]

I agree there should be an option in the phone to allow unsigned packages.

[astral haven]

not even

there is no way to install a package to a phone

unless you perform external hackery

[fading ore]

There is.

If it's signed it just works

you can try to open the IPA and it will install

They just need an option like they have in MacOS to allow unsigned apps.

[astral haven]

show me vids

[fading ore]

Sure, 1 moment

[woven laurel]

[astral haven]

found some videos but they are omega sketchy and wow is it a long series of steps, seems like its a form of bug that they are taking advantage of

is this like a thing that apple is aware of and is letting exist?

[fading ore]

If the IPA package is signed, the phone will have no problems opening and installing it.

That's how many developers distribute their apps for beta testing prior to placing it on the appstore

for instance, osu! lazer distributed signed ipas that can be installed on iOS devices.

[astral haven]

awful

[fading ore]

xcode handles it automatically

[astral haven]

dont see how a phone can build its own apps unless xcode for ios exists?

[fading ore]

It can't build apps, it can install precompiled binaries

[astral haven]

what makes it impossible to compile the binaries on the phone itself?

[fading ore]

Lack of clang and the SDK/other prereqs in iOS. You can install it but it's not really needed. Pretty much all devs distributed precompiled binaries.

Android has the same issue. Most manufs do not ship androids with compilers or dev tools.
(same with windows, macos, most linux distros)

[astral haven]

🤷 i have and use daily an app that my phone modified to remove ads on its own

[fading ore]

You don't need to recompile the app to remove ads.

iOS has the same thing (flex3) that can remove ads from apps

[astral haven]

but only with jailbreak

[fading ore]

I agree with you iOS sucks. But not being able to sideload apps is not a problem I've encountered.

[astral haven]

🤷 the top 2 most used apps on my phone both require features that ios simply doesnt have

you dont run into the problem because theres no option to even have the problem...

[fading ore]

Hmm?

[gusty kiln]

welp another BSOD, gunna return this ram kit

[hasty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/dentist-hand-heart-fail-dentista-gif-25314765

Lol my fault wasn’t in meme

[fading ore]

Out of curiosity, is it using dies fabricated by Micron?

What ram kit is it?

[gusty kiln]

uhhhh leme see

https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-PC4-28800-3600MHz-Ripjaws-16-19-19-39/dp/B07Z45XB3G

pretty popular kit

[fading ore]

Ah okay, those are dual rank Hynix DJR. If you're using a ryzen, I'd recommend looking for single rank configurations.

Ryzen memory controllers have much better stability with single rank kits.

[gusty kiln]

how common are single rank 16gb sticks?

[fading ore]

Pretty common

[ashen spindle]

I mean you do kinda want dual rank for max performance

[astral haven]

^

[gusty kiln]

5800X3D though

[latent mural]

never heard about that

[ashen spindle]

doesnt matter, cache is nice but its not catching all cases still, just means the improvement is lower

[astral haven]

rev e dual rank kits should be super available

[latent mural]

Dual Ranks are always better

[astral haven]

its true for all cpus regardless

but like it shouldnt matter

because the ram should just work

[latent mural]

yep

[latent mural]

are you talking about single or duo?

[astral haven]

more ranks = less stable always

[fading ore]

The officially supported memory clocks are lower for dual rank.

[pale sigil]

This launcher is cool

[ashen spindle]

yeah as an example

[fading ore]

For Zen:

[ashen spindle]

hence why you should always make sure your kit is in the QVL of the board

doesnt guarantee it still but allows you to complain if it doesnt work

[gusty kiln]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/648419/corsair-vengeance-rgb-rt-32gb-(2-x-16gb)-ddr4-3600-pc4-28800-cl16-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-cmn32gx4m2z3600-black

the only other ram kit at microcenter

[fading ore]

What is the problem with your current set? @gusty kiln

can you not just run one of the supported configurations

You have 2x2R which should be fine at 3200mhz

If you really want to run 3600mhz then look up a guide on overclocking your memory controller.
The XMP profile only sets RAM timings and voltages, you still need to configure the memory controller to be stable.

[astral haven]

Yeah and throw way 20% the perf of the CPU lel

[ashen spindle]

if the QVL lists the kit you shouldn't need any manual tweaks

[astral haven]

^

[ashen spindle]

and 3600 is something even the worst bins should do

[gusty kiln]

not much of a tinkerer, rather just plug and play

[ashen spindle]

whats the board, does the QVL include that ram kit?

[gusty kiln]

nah

mentioned it before

x570 steel legend

[fading ore]

AMD lists the max memory speed of your CPU's IMC as DDR4-3200.
Most users indicated they did not need to alter the default settings on the IMC to have stable DDR4-3600 configurations, although some have reported needing to raise voltage to 1.1-1.15V to get stable overclocks.

Like quin said it depends on the silicon quality of your particular chip. Exceptionally low quality chips may have trouble running even slightly above AMD's listed specifications, some will handle running well above the listed specs without problems.

[pale sigil]

I like this one

[astral haven]

If it's on the qvl of the motherboard, it's the responsibility of the motherboard to set that

[fading ore]

Jacona already said it isn't.

[pale sigil]

Been considering grapheneos

But I don't think I'll benefit from it

[hasty elm]

Looks nice

And that’s coming from anyone who doesn’t like anime

[pale sigil]

It's a drawing I got commissioned XD

I'm not a fan of anime wallpapers but since it's my own it's nice

[ashen spindle]

the specific kit isnt on but similar ones so it should just work though if you are unlucky it might just need a tug more voltage or something, but if you dont want to try that best to just use another kit then

[gusty kiln]

I already bump the voltage to 1.375 from the 1.35 XMP

and still bsod

could lower frequency, but meh

want to use the speed I paid for

[fading ore]

Your memory configuration is likely fine, you shouldn't need to tweak xmp settings

The settings you'd need to change are the CPU's integrated memory controller. I believe AMD calls it "SoC voltage"

[ashen spindle]

have you tried reducing the voltage? sometimes the Ic likes a lower not higher number

[gusty kiln]

nah but I've already swapped back to my old 16 gb kit

[ashen spindle]

fair enough

[astral haven]

this is the sort of stuff that will never come to ios
yes this is my phone, and yes its an external display running many apps simultaneously
apple doesnt even allow proper desktop management on their ipad pros, much less their iphones...

[fading ore]

The desktop management works fine for me.
Although having a stacking WM would be nice

[astral haven]

sbs is not having a desktop

[fading ore]

I agree I hate TWMs

[astral haven]

and also thats an ipad

not an iphone

[astral haven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ZsA_QToBE

god what a fantastic monstrosity

[reef patrol]

https://twitter.com/HardwareUnboxed/status/1664829387135410178

Don't threaten them with a good time?

Hardware Unboxed (@HardwareUnboxed)

Thanks Asrock for the come mask

Likes

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Twitter · Jun 3, 2023, 3:00 AM

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amds-epyc-rome-chips-could-hang-after-1044-days-of-uptime

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-talks-hybrid-ryzen-cpu-concepts-avoiding-intels-avx-512-problem

[snow moon]

https://www.wired.com/story/fast-forward-gpt-4-minecraft-chatgpt/

Possibly the thing I'm lost excited about when it comes to AI is video game implementation. Imagine NPC characters coded to learn over time... Obviously a long process, but when we get there it could be awesome

[cursive summit]

https://github.com/BlinkDL/RWKV-LM

Hmmm

Seems like transformers aren't the only AI types that we will see doing work

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/2/23747162/microsoft-windows-ai-cortana-end-support

YES

FUCK OFF SPYWARE

Cortana was the new BonziBuddy

[crimson wigeon]

Good riddance, will be replaced by Bing AI though

[reef patrol]

Never experienced it.

Danish benefits I guess xD

[snow moon]

Wait Danish people don't have the option or what?

[crimson wigeon]

Cortana was only officially available in very few language & country combos

[pale sigil]

Cortana was such a fun idea to me when it was first announced being in a huge halo fan

But it was absolute dogshit

[reef patrol]

What NGH said. It was never enabled in Danish as far as I know. And also not on English installs set to be in Denmark on install either. I've only ever seen Cortana once or twice in my life?

[pale sigil]

The Danish don't deserve cortana

[severe phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-tumblr-cortana-halo4-hot-gif-20741935

[sharp badger]

https://youtu.be/ReGwlUGifN4 That Apex Stealth Metal fan will be interesting to see tested, sure they have their own testing on their site but no Phanteks T30 comparison? https://www.alphacool.com/en/apex

[snow moon]

💀

[pale sigil]

Huh I think or maybe I'm being too hopeful here but restarting my phone helped with my battery

I've gone from 100% to 94% in an hour using discord, whatsapp, brave and about 10 min video.

And Google maps

I haven't rebooted my phone since I got it

[frozen ingot]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if they still haven't managed to work out how to make a danish voice assistant, that language is impossible to understand in spoken form

[rough osprey]

lol

[snow moon]

It's probably worse than Dutch, but likely not worse than Finnish

Can we grade languages?

[frozen ingot]

I mean yeah finnish is gibberish but at least you can make out individual words when they speak

danish just speaks as if there's no pause between words, whole sentences just sounds like they're slurring one long word

[sharp badger]

Yeah would like to see some testing from other sources but in the video they said that the fan was running at 2900 rpm and it sounded like some 900 rpm fan

[snow moon]

That is true, lots of mumbling

[halcyon moss]

🤯

[pale sigil]

Afaik getting below 20% bad

[ashen spindle]

nooo

the dont let it run out or dont let it fully charge and all wisdom is way outdated for modern batteries

[pale sigil]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[ashen spindle]

keeping on the smart battery charging or w/e the features are called is all you need, that takes care of it

[pale sigil]

Smart charge is awesome but stupid

Well the way Google has done it

It only works between 10pm till 10am

[ashen spindle]

ok yeah thats something else than I expected then lol

though they would also have something that just learns your patterns and charges depending on things and not time based like that

[gusty kiln]

@prisma crag https://blog.jdslabs.com/2023/06/element-iii-mk2-new-knob-and-eq-firmware/

you have an element right?

they updated the encode to be THICC

and added EQ

[hasty elm]

So when we going to Vegas?

[gusty kiln]

https://www.microcenter.com/product/641789/teamgroup-t-force-xtreem-argb-32gb-(2-x-16gb)-ddr4-3600-pc4-28800-cl14-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-black#tab-reviews

[severe phoenix]

Who wants a 70$ 2TB Gen4 NVME 😛

https://www.ebay.com/itm/364230664195

DEALTWENTY

5 year warranty.

Almost giving it away 😛

[gusty kiln]

prob won't be stable without tweaking anyway

but damn, 3600 cl14

[latent mural]

name?

[hasty elm]

Give it some Molly and should start tweaking

[frozen ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/molly-my-beloved-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25818340

[gusty kiln]

rock and stone

[frozen ingot]

did I hear a rock and stone

[fading grotto]

Where is that damn tin can?!

[frozen ingot]

tin can is surely hungry today

[snow moon]

Mushrooooom

[frozen ingot]

shut it

get back to work

[pale sigil]

Still kinda bleh

@prisma crag

Can someone please tell me this isn't normal

[empty wren]

It is supposed to work with alarms as well

[pale sigil]

Nope

10am max

It's stupid

[empty wren]

Weird

Guess Google borked it then

[empty wren]

You could check permissions

And limit app background consumption as well

[pale sigil]

I shouldn't have to

I've put so much effort into Battery saving, more than I've ever done before.

My budget phone didn't stress me out this much till the battery was literally borked

[empty wren]

What phone is this the 7a?

[pale sigil]

Ye

[empty wren]

Even more weird is this

Google needs to issue an update

I noticed you have 4G in one screenshot did you disable 5G cuz that can also contribute to less drain?

[snow moon]

Imagine not having a 9000mah battery and 3 days between charges

[empty wren]

To be fair though a low end processor with 4500mah can probably do that

But the pixel 7a has the same main processer as the flagships

[snow moon]

I'm just talking shit, I have some Chinese garbage phone but has huge battery

[pale sigil]

I disabled 5g

[pale sigil]

My last phone was Xiaomi

I'm tempted to buy a Samsung A54

Use it alongside this 7a to compare

Return the 7a maybe idk

[snow moon]

This one is called Doogee S97 pro I believe

Literal bricc

But yeah sounds like Google messed up

[empty wren]

This could possibly be why also

[pale sigil]

Idk what I'm seeing

[empty wren]

Sorry it is data about oems killing background apps

https://dontkillmyapp.com/

[pale sigil]

MIUi is pretty good

[empty wren]

Google does not commit that kind of behavior

And this partially why Huawei phones lasted two days

[snow moon]

Google only commits ||warcrimes||

||Or tax evasion, idk tho||

[pale sigil]

Poco F5 would be nice but I don't wanna deal with their warranty

But also they aren't on Amazon

[empty wren]

Fair

Well if you still can check out that a77 or whatever

Samsung puts a decent processor in those but the batteries are huge

[pale sigil]

There is no a77

[empty wren]

Sorry a54

Other than that root might help you get a better kernel

[pale sigil]

A54 is avail

[empty wren]

Nice

[final flame]

Meanwhile Samsung phones still struggle despite having the most harshest task killing

[empty wren]

I mean probably not so much anymore

[pale sigil]

"free case*

[empty wren]

TouchWiz was awful

[empty wren]

Mm yes just 16$+

[final flame]

My note 9 would kill tasks that I set to be able to run in the background and even gave admin perms to

[empty wren]

I think Samsung or some company has a ramlock feature

[final flame]

Newer phones have gotten better since my a14 hasn't killed my volume bar app yet

[empty wren]

I see

Funny how it attacks itself

[final flame]

I mean it won't attack itself it isn't that bad, although I've had it kill the launcher in the worst case

[empty wren]

That sounds annoying

[final flame]

Volume panel pro is a 3rd party app, it has a ton of nice features and I got it for free during a sale so yea

[empty wren]

Ah I see

[final flame]

But yea a14 is a good very budget phone so far, we'll see how it fares in a year or so

I think I got it in February

[pale sigil]

I really really like this 7a

So damn much

But the battery is driving me nuts

[final flame]

I can never use a pixel, I need storage

[pale sigil]

Why

[final flame]

Music

I use local files

[pale sigil]

Oh yen

You're the flac nut job :p

Where's this for me

[final flame]

Not like converting my entire library to mp3 would help much if I'm on a pixel

Only would like split the size in half and it still would barely fit in a 128gb pixel

[pale sigil]

Huh

So with £100 cashback off Samsung

And using my Amazon gift cards

I'll only be paying £50

@prisma crag what do you think of the pic

[pale sigil]

This

Idk man but idle is high too

I think I'm gonna at least try to replace and see how it goes.

I really don't want to give up on this phone

But at the same time I don't wanna spend loads of money on a phone I stress about

Apparently grapheneos is amazing with it

I guess

[fickle ore]

I'm mostly using youtube and spotify

[pale sigil]

My first AliExpress item Ilve

Love

[gusty kiln]

Free only?

Usb audio player pro is probably goat player on Android

[snow moon]

Laugh?

[wheat plume]

Metro!
Free on fdroid

[pale sigil]

@prisma crag my main turn off with graphene os is all of my app data etc is via google haha

so i cant restore

[final flame]

I'm a diehard Poweramp user, works perfectly for how I structure my files since I use a file system folder structure instead of tagging stuff

You see the issue right now Is I don't have enough of a reason to buy a actually good dap, For iems the extra power a dap gives you compared to a dongle really isn't worth it

I have been using my fiio m6 as a Bluetooth receiver but the issue is using it for normal dap purposes is a pain just because of how small it is and how slow it is

[gusty kiln]

It basically acts like roon

[final flame]

Yea with Poweramp it'll just make its own little thing for all the miscellaneous stuff

All of my miscellaneous stuff

[gusty kiln]

Much weeb, very wow

[final flame]

There's more sorting options but you can disable them from showing up

[pale sigil]

How can they get this much time

when i cant even get this much time using Discord lol

or whatsapp etc

[final flame]

Because discord

[pale sigil]

Surely Discord is not heavier than playback

[final flame]

Yet on my PC it likes to hog up a ton of resources any time it has the chance to

[gusty kiln]

Voice chat in mobile drains a shit ton of battery too

[pale sigil]

i dont use voice

im on about normal text use

"My 7a also had a bug that didn't grab the radio waves, and when I asked the radio recovery support to investigate, the intensity of the peripheral radio waves was fine and was found to be a malfunction due to the hardware."

[final flame]

My discord when just sitting idly takes up 500mb or ram it wouldn't be too out of the ordinary for it to take up more battery on mobile

[pale sigil]

"For that reason, we are constantly looking for radio waves, which may also be a factor in abnormal battery reduction.
Of course, I asked Google to change new items, but I received an answer that I doubted that it could be a reclaimed product rather than a new one.
Everyone, when you buy Pixel7a on Google, you should think about this well."

[pale sigil]

i did not have this issue on my previous phone lol

it seems to be somewhat confirmed that some Pixel 7as have a hardware fault with the radio thing.

[empty pasture]

do you think we will ever see this tech in our life time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXRuM__U6Ok

[pale sigil]

hol the fuck up

i recorded first video on the pixel 7a today

it looks like ass

its somehow worse than my mi 9t

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa5yZSR_-z4

https://youtu.be/rJnjX4hb_tA

less stable tho

[tawny sleet]

i got this recently

many unfavourable features to be honest

and it sucks

cba to root and its crammed with random shit

[pale sigil]

what

its stock

[tawny sleet]

yeah stock 🙂

u would think that

search how many issues this shit has lmao

[pale sigil]

the 7a?

[tawny sleet]

ye

[pale sigil]

how is your bat

[tawny sleet]

battery?

[pale sigil]

ye

[tawny sleet]

something is defo hogging it im trying to find it now

cuz its detoriating fast

id assume its cuz i put 90hz

but shouldnt be destroying battery anyway

[pale sigil]

nope

[tawny sleet]

its day 1st so ill see tmrw

and at work when i use it

cuz ive been downloading fuckton of stuff on it

and probably why i think its weak or something

[pale sigil]

how many hours

[tawny sleet]

so

in 1hr,45 mins after charge

screen took 16%

phone idle took 20%

[pale sigil]

yep

idle is a HUGE issue atm

[tawny sleet]

shit

thats kinda dead man wth

idle 20% ;/

cant even change battery usage of "idle"

if i maybe put it on restricted mode

but ofc im restricted from everything

funny android 13 🙂

[tawny sleet]

ok some things i havent done

some display tweaks anyway ill do them now and see if it helps

[fickle ore]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson?s=09

[tawny sleet]

bruh how come people dont know this??

its literally the MAIN catch of it

people who got baited on this are the same people who think buying store items for 499.99 than 500.00 are better

[ashen spindle]

what

[tawny sleet]

people that think ev is good for environment compared to diesel or w/e

it is good in a way but its also very bad

but ive met too many people that are so ignorant about manufacturing part

its insane

[ashen spindle]

yes and this is an article by mr bean not an actual scientist or someone with more knowledge than second hand info about the topic lol

[tawny sleet]

i didnt read the article tbh

i just saw couple of words and knew what it was about alrdy lmao

[ashen spindle]

..

[tawny sleet]

there are 2542934 more articles that support my statement though

or docs

[fickle ore]

u regard hes got a mSc in engineering ;p

[ashen spindle]

if he talks about the dumb shit that porsche is trying with the syntetic fuels as something potentially good I disregard anything the man says

[tawny sleet]

bro its actually from mr bean lmfao

[boreal horizon]

Part of what he's saying boils down to "replacing something that isn't broken rn is nearly always less wasteful than throwing it away and replacing it with something efficient/ev friendly", but then he goes off into

We should keep developing hydrogen, as well as synthetic fuels to save the scrapping of older cars which still have so much to give
Which is absolute dogshit lmao

[tawny sleet]

oh wait ur actually reading an article from mr bean

[ashen spindle]

hydrogen has some promises but as the synthetic fuels part is just a trap that is wasting resources

[tawny sleet]

good for u man

[ashen spindle]

yes the man does have a masters degree in electronics

[tawny sleet]

he is also a clown

literally

[ashen spindle]

his role is a clown, not he as a person

[boreal horizon]

Hydrogen is just less efficient than EV for normal cars again, so theres no use case there. You waste energy by turning it into hydrogen first

[fickle ore]

u guys are on another level of regarded

[tawny sleet]

when u do clown stuff for 15 years

u become clown

[ashen spindle]

not really

[tawny sleet]

stop defending clowns

seriously

[fickle ore]

yeh no

[ashen spindle]

where am I defending him I'm litreally saying I disagree with his takes, I'm just not discrediting his degree because he turned intoa an actor role???

[fickle ore]

Let's see if the F1 promise will held true for 2026 to use synthetics

Hope dso

[tawny sleet]

by reading his article

[boreal horizon]

yeah yeah https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/news/stories/2020/03/battery-or-fuel-cell--that-is-the-question.html

[tawny sleet]

stop at the title...

[fickle ore]

xDD

[boreal horizon]

In the view of the Fraunhofer Institute, synthetic fuels and drive technologies such as hydrogen in combination with the fuel cell will indeed play a role – but not so much in the passenger car sector [...]
In fact, hydrogen-based fuel cell technology has one crucial disadvantage: it is very inefficient – both in terms of efficiency and operating costs

I know that you're not smarter than the actual phd holding scientists at the Fraunhofer institute

[ashen spindle]

I thought you agreed and thought it was obvious, now the title makes it bad? you gotta decide what your point is

[boreal horizon]

so I can safely disregard what you're saying here, lil bro

This isn't even a topic thats up for debate btw

its prety much settled and all car manufactuers agree.

[fickle ore]

regard or not, idc, and ur working with old and outdated info

gl

[boreal horizon]

Dunning kruger effect at work here

literally thinking hes smarter than the Fraunhofer institute

good luck in life, youre gonna need it

[fickle ore]

tnx

[ashen spindle]

I wish, sadly porsche and german finance minister go hard into syntetic fuels because they are shitters trying to make something viable that wont work

[boreal horizon]

gotta drop some text messages and its all good

Rich people and cars for super rich people will do whatever they want, but the normal market won't

It's not like Porsches are getting any cheaper, theyre moving up in price

even if they end up paying several € per liter, they wont care

[ashen spindle]

doesnt change that they are wasting massive resources on this trash xD

[boreal horizon]

definitely lmao

[ashen spindle]

and if they go in on it and get politicans to sign it off as something decent you can be sure others will at least try to make use of it

bit of a different market and usecase though

[boreal horizon]

They even have a use case in long distance and heavy duty traffic

just not passenger car sector

[fickle ore]

There's like 0 reason to buy EV before solid batteries, gigantic waste of cash and resources

[ashen spindle]

now that is a different argument and can be true regardless of the synthetic fuel crap

[fickle ore]

It's just counting time until that, I'd buy one of those maybe, if the results r good

[ashen spindle]

but yeas I'm hoping CATL and others are sticking with the 2023 release of their new battery techs

https://www.catl.com/en/news/6015.html

ignore the aircraft part, just the first article I found about the batteries

[fickle ore]

synthetics are good. I can drive my 20 yo car with that.

Don't make me buy a new vehicle if it isn't completely dead

[ashen spindle]

urgh im mixing up e-fuels and synthetics its getting late

[fickle ore]

Also I have the place to charge e-cars, but I don't want to overnight charge them, it's not safe :I

Even with solids, idk

will see

[ashen spindle]

I'm just really mad at our finance minister whos buddy buddy with porsche and they are making the shit thats e-fuels which is the bad version of synthetics

as a way around using evs or hydrogen or anything else, just a massive way of pretending to be co2 neutral and good when its just as abad as current gas

[fickle ore]

yup

[pale sigil]

ryzen usb issues are retarded

still isnt fixed

on b550/x570

[fickle ore]

Depends entirely how clean they are, but yeah they'll always include some products of combustion. I haven't looked into how clean synthetics/e-fuels are. Just from the point of economics I am a fan, if they increase the lifecycle of the vehicle and allow me to driver for more years on the road. Im having hard time to get my car pass inspections due to laws.

Idk how accurate this is

[ashen spindle]

ok let me make it really easy to understand it, the guy thinks heat pumps for heating houses should not be pushed hard but thinks the e-fuels are a genius plan

[fickle ore]

Huh, all I've read in the news lately is that german is ordering massive heatpumps to embrace district heating

[ashen spindle]

yes we have a mess of a government with the green party pushing hard for that and the "liberal" party being in charge of finances and doing their best to undermine that

[fickle ore]

lmfao, because they can monetize time, which is prob harder with shorter pump time with gas/hydro

[ashen spindle]

which ones

[fickle ore]

Also idk if the states has a cost for energy transfer aka tax on using the grid. You'll be paying that + regular tax on the grid transfer + tax on the amount of watts charged X_X

[ashen spindle]

yeah and fun fact the car lobby already (at least in some states) pushed it tos the cost is higher than what the fuel price increase would be for that added cost, so for an ev you pay more instead of an equal amount which would be fine

base idea fine, way it was implemented dog shit as usual

[fickle ore]

Hahaha there you go. The same thing here. Gas has a "harm" tax, so when the critical treshold of gas->EV switch is complete, charging will get taxed to high heavens

[pale sigil]

Ryzen has issue when flashing

Wooting etc

[ashen spindle]

you mean wooting firmware flashes has issues when doing that on a ryzen system?

[pale sigil]

Sec

[gusty kiln]

try my luck with these? @ashen spindle
https://www.microcenter.com/product/641789/teamgroup-t-force-xtreem-argb-32gb-(2-x-16gb)-ddr4-3600-pc4-28800-cl14-dual-channel-desktop-memory-kit-black

[ashen spindle]

are they on the QVL? I remember it had 16gb sticks but I dont remember which ones

[pale sigil]

Basically ryzen USB seems to have issues with consistency or some shit

[gusty kiln]

kek no, can't seem to find any of the 16gb dimms on the QVL anymore

[pale sigil]

And so when you're doing something like flashing it freaks out

@golden girder would be better

At edolainjng

[gusty kiln]

might just go with 3200@cl16 for simplicity sake

[pale sigil]

https://help.wooting.io/en/article/troubleshoot-potential-issues-with-ryzen-cpu-1l5jxhc/

[gusty kiln]

or 3600@cl18

[pale sigil]

"The communication to the chipset isn't stable if PCIe 4.0 is used."

That

[ashen spindle]

oh boy thats the original issue from way back lol

I dont think that is still an issue ever since the fixes came out for that years ago?

like tachyon on my lekker now works through a kvm through a hub that uses other usb slots at the same time xD I really doubt whatever made you say that in the start is still related to it

did your board flash fail or what prompted it?

[pale sigil]

i have never been able to flash any device

ipad, phones, wooting etc

[ashen spindle]

ok so your system just is cursed again I think

[gusty kiln]

time to build new

[ashen spindle]

like near all ubs issues got fixed as even mentioned int hat article in 2021

if then any flashing via usb fails that doesnt seem like a normal issue anymore

[golden girder]

Please don't summon me without explaining why!

[ashen spindle]

it was about the old ryzen usb issues we had to deal with but I think his system is just cursed because apparently even withn all bios fixes (I assume he did update and all) he cant even flash his phones

[frozen ingot]

I don't see anyone defending you so

[golden girder]

Where was this discussion? I didn't found it close to the point where Pleasant tagged me.

Now I know the question but who needs the answer?

[ashen spindle]

I think after he tagged you he found the article and that was it, not sure if he was thinking about something else thats newer

[pale sigil]

@golden girder basically Ignore it

Your artical answered my question

I installed graphene os 😄

[golden girder]

@pale sigil There are basically three things with Ryzen.

1. Ryzen had a problem with USB device in general which was fixed in the AGESA 1.2.0.2 version. These caused communication drop outs resulting in crackling sound for USB sound cards and speed drops for mass storage devices.

2. The second problem was that if the RAM clock was to high and so the infinity clock was also to high that the interrupt timings were off. This can causes issues with devices which rely on specifics timings, like PCIe sound cards.

3. The issues of the ARM models with Ryzen were related how the system handles the communication when the device isn't ready to reply to a request. This was caused by a bug due to a race condition in the Advanced Software Framework (ASF) former Atmel now Microchip code Wooting uses as the USB stack. When the host requests data from a device the device responses with a not ready token if that isn't ready to handle that and so can't provide the data for now. The host will then try it a bit later. A typical system retries it in the next frame, meaning one millisecond later. But Ryzen basically retries it immediately, often multiple times in the same frame. If the device don't expect this and has issues with this it can cause problems.

So basically all three problems are somehow related how the CPU handles the timings for specific buses.

[pale sigil]

Ty

Beautiful

[golden girder]

So about the Wooting related issues with Ryzen, the CPU was technical still operating within the specification. But because it didn't wait as long as other systems the bug occurred much more frequently on Ryzen than on other systems. After fixing the bug the previous issues with the USB hub were gone and also the problem that the Wooting can reserve a Xbox slot while not using it and so even occupy all available slots.

[severe phoenix]

https://twitter.com/NVIDIAGPU_/status/1665101957143441412

NVIDIAGPU (@NVIDIAGPU_)

“...buy” - Gamers Nexus

Twitter · Jun 3, 2023, 9:03 PM

[ashen spindle]

Keep those troll Twitter accounts in #🐸│memes

[pale sigil]

its nice how easy it is to unlock the bootloader on pixels

[ashen spindle]

Oh I don’t think it’s an attempt to be a real Nvidia Account, it’s just s parody of the schizophrenic amdgpu account that’s just a shill using that name

no I think its just making fun of the guy who is serious about running an amd shill account

[empty wren]

Pay to win though

[empty wren]

Indeed it is

Also good on Google for not including a hardware fuse as well

[pale sigil]

I re installed stock

If I end up returning this phone for a replacement I cba investing in grapheneos

The video camera is very disappointing on the pixel 7a tbh

[empty wren]

To be fair they invested less software into it

Maybe in a few generations it will actually be good

[fair gull]

reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

(the person in the video has since stepped down and left the project)

[turbid tiger]

Wait

I am currently encountering an issue with my USB that could be related to that

My USB devices randomly disconnect every couple seconds to minutes

For milliseconds to seconds

Ever since I upgraded to a 3070

I read that amd has lots of issues with usb

Got a 5600x and tuf b550 plus

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/m0csi6/usb_devices_keep_disconnecting_periodically_case/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=13&utm_content=share_button

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/geforce-graphics-cards/5/408541/usb-disconnects-and-reconnects-after-installing-rt/

First I thought it's because my PSU can't handle the voltage spikes of the 3070 but that usually shouldn't be the issue

[turbid tiger]

It does seem like I need to update the bios

[reef patrol]

Ayup.

[ashen spindle]

That bios update fix should be out for more than two years, so yes should update anyway if it’s that old xD

[golden girder]

@turbid tiger In the case you have a BIOS version which has an older AGESA version than 1.2.0.2 than it's likely... Graphics cards causes a lot of interrupts on PCIe. I guess a faster one which can do more FPS would cause more interrupts which than may throws off the timings of others tings like USB.

The AMD system I got was after that AGESA update so I wasn't able to check how the signaling on USB was look like before that update, otherwise I may could had told more.

By the way, PCIe devices either use line based interrupts or message signaled interrupts. The last one is the better one and should be preferred if supported.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/interrupt-problems-read-message-signaled-interrupts-msi/

[turbid tiger]

I tried everything without success...

Updated BIOS

Updated chipset driver

Disabled CPU usb ports

Switched to PCI 3

Everything people said that fixed it for them

A lot of people also said disabling C-States helped but that option is not available for me in the BIOS

[reef patrol]

What is the issue you're having exactly?

Oh random USB disconnects.

[turbid tiger]

Every seconds to minutes they occur for milliseconds to multiple seconds

Mostly it seems on my mouse

Sometiems on my Wooting

somehow never on my graphics tablet, although I did have that problem on my graphics tablet some days ago

yesterday no issues at all

[turbid tiger]

or its just because I use mouse the most

okay right now it seems to work, I am using my brothers mouse rn

which means its a mouse issue?

OR

its because its a wireless mouse

OR

its because the receiver usb is in the case front port

If this works I'll try my mouse on the front port

[golden girder]

Have you tried limiting the RAM speed to the official supported speed limit for your CPU?
If the infinity fabric is to high this can cause communication issues where data needs to be resend and so reducing the bandwidth which can result in timing issues.

Have you tried the MSI tool from the linked Igors lab article yet which shows the interrupt method for your devices and let you change them if the driver support it?

[reef patrol]

Can it be cabled? Always a way to troubleshoot if wireless is having issues specifically.

[turbid tiger]

5600x and 3600mhz

so it's basically the sweetspot

[golden girder]

That should be fine.

[ashen spindle]

technically the offically max supported ram clock is 3200

so if you got really unlucky with the bin it could be it, but unlikely, I would first check the interrupt mode

[golden girder]

Oh, your are right...

[ashen spindle]

3600 is the sweetspot and almost nobody has issues with it, 3800 and 4000MT is what people usually run when its causing issues

[turbid tiger]

I doubt its ram relating considering the massive amount of reddit threads with this issue

AMD officially acknowledged the USB disconnect problem in may 2021

[golden girder]

Yeah, only 200 MHz overclock should may not cause issues. A bandwidth test should may reveal if there are ones or not.

Actual Hardware Overclocking made a video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft7ss7EXr4s

[turbid tiger]

And said fixes until a BIOS update is available are disabling global C-states and switching to PCI 3

both of which did not help

On my front port it seems like I don't have any issues

[golden girder]

Yeah, but considered as fixed on newer firmware versions.

[turbid tiger]

lemme try my wired mouse on it

[turbid tiger]

yeah but unfortunately not for me

[golden girder]

You don't have a logic analyzer, or have you?

[reef patrol]

I wonder what could be causing your issues. I have a very similar setup (in fact pushing it all harder than you with a 5600X, 3080 on B550 with 4x16GB 3600Mhz running overclocked)

[ashen spindle]

I'm still betting on the interrupt mode

[golden girder]

Would be interesting to see a screenshot of the MSI tool for his system.

[turbid tiger]

which one?

[ashen spindle]

actually since you mentioned that, I'm even more convinced it's the interrupt mode or rather the DPC latency which seem to be an issue on some nvidia cards, try changing the interrupt mode if its not on MSI and then run latencymon while you do stuff (the tools are both linked in the article from igors site)

https://www.igorslab.de/en/interrupt-problems-read-message-signaled-interrupts-msi/

[golden girder]

https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/MSI_util_v3.zip

It was linked in the article.

How it looks for me on my laptop.

[turbid tiger]

So what do I do now?

[golden girder]

It's a driver thing if a device actually uses MSI over LBI when supported. This tool messes with the Registry entries for that.

You can mark every row which support MSI and than click on apply in the upper right corner. If then all IRQs for devices which support MSI are negative after a reboot it was applied correctly.

[turbid tiger]

The only devices that don't use MSI are my audio controllers

[golden girder]

Still worth to enable MSI for these.

[turbid tiger]

isn't it already enabled?

[golden girder]

No, the IRQs are positive, meaning it don't uses MSI.

[turbid tiger]

wait what

[reef patrol]

IRQ

I suddenly got MS DOS flashbacks. Genuinely didn't know we still used these 😄

[turbid tiger]

so I do this?

I don't really get what you mean at all

[golden girder]

The second row shows the IRQ numbers for the device. If that is a positive number it means the device uses LBI.

If the device uses MSI this number is negative.

[turbid tiger]

yeah so all devices except for the audio controllers use MSI

[golden girder]

You need to check all entries in the column MSI and then click on apply and reboot.

[golden girder]

Correct...

[turbid tiger]

but will enabling MSI on the audio contorllers make a difference?

Audio isn't my problem after all

[golden girder]

It should improve the sound handling. If it also addresses your issue maybe not.

[turbid tiger]

I don't have any sound issues here

[golden girder]

Please still try it. There is the possibility that it still can throw off the IRQ handling if you are unlucky.

[turbid tiger]

for some reason my mouse works without any problems rn

btw. the problem seems to occur more often when my PC is under heavy load

[golden girder]

So far I can only recommend lowering the RAM to 3200 MHz, enabling MSI for all devices which supports that and update the BIOS and chipset driver to the newest version.

[turbid tiger]

I switched to a different usb port

[golden girder]

Besides that I would need more data, like a capture of the USB communication from a logic analyzer to tell more.

[turbid tiger]

ironically a CPU usb port

Some people fixed this problem by disabling all CPU usb ports

and uninstalling the AMD extensible usb controller

[golden girder]

Back in the day before the AVR Wooting got the fix it helped if the Wootings were connected as the sole USB device on a different USB controller than the mouse.

For that it doesn't matter if it was a port from the CPU or chipset as long as a high polling mouse wasn't connected to the same. But even if no mouse was connected but many other USB devices were it can also caused issues. Due to this the recommendation was that the Wooting should be the solde device on a USB controller if possible.

[turbid tiger]

welp mouse just disconnected again

[ashen spindle]

did you check and is MSI enabled for all of them after the reboot?

[golden girder]

What's the mouse model?

[turbid tiger]

logitech g402

[ashen spindle]

Also take latencymon from the same article and let that run and see if there is a DPC spike when that disconnect happens

[turbid tiger]

I didn't do that yet

[turbid tiger]

I will check that

[golden girder]

That should use a STM32 ARM MCU. I'm not aware of an issue with that.

[turbid tiger]

No spike

uhhh

I just browsed through Discord and it spiked like this without my mouse disconnecting

[ashen spindle]

if it didnt actually spike at the moment something hapepnd you can likely ignore that

sadly there are some known issues of the reported DPC latency being higher than it actually is which makes it harder to actually use it to troublehsoot things

[turbid tiger]

I would try uninstalling the AMD usb controllers but idk how to get them back

[golden girder]

If it's a system driver you can't normally uninstall it via the device manager. The only option then would be to remove the driver files.
I don't recommend do to such things. It's better to just specific the driver you want to use and (force to) update the device with that.

[turbid tiger]

no no I want to fully remove them

people said when uninstalling them via the device manager it fixed the issue

[golden girder]

As mentioned that is part of the Win system. Yeah, you can uninstall the applied device information but you can't really uninstall the driver data.

[turbid tiger]

Do you think this issue might be related to my power supply? I'm running on 600W and the power supply is pretty old. Might explain why it happens more often when doing lots of stuff. My theory was that it's due to the voltage spikes but not sure.

[golden girder]

If you uninstall the device and reboot (or refresh) Win would just reapply the old driver again.

[golden girder]

Unlikely... But I'm aware of a case where a user had issues with the Wooting as soon as he played a game because the PSU wasn't able to keep up the power demand and so the USB voltage wasn't stable enough which causes detection problem for the Wooting. Similar to the phantom inputs if the USB voltage gets to low.

[ashen spindle]

600w is more than enough for that system

[golden girder]

It's not about the overall power but how well the PSU can handle short but huge power spikes.

[ashen spindle]

yeah the power spikes at max are still within the max powerdraw so that isn't a concern, quality idk but the rating is fine at least

[golden girder]

Yes, typically if the overall provided power is high enough it should have enough capabilities to also handle short high loads. That's why I wrote that I think it's unlikely caused by the PSU.

@turbid tiger Can you provide any data related when the issues occur asnd for how long? Like did it happen more often with a high CPU or GPU load or when both have a high load, like gaming.

[latent mural]

how much power does the wooting 60HE need?

[golden girder]

I don't have a tool to measure it but at max (100% brightness and Tachyon on) it's more than what the USB standart allows (500 mA and so 2,5 W).

Maybe around 700 mA and so maybe 3,5 W.

For this reason there is also an info now to cap the brightness when Tachyon is enabled.

[latent mural]

A USB 3.0 provides 900 mA 4.5 watts

but the keyboard runs on usb 2.0 , right?

[golden girder]

Yeah, 4,5 W for USB 3.X devices. The Wooting as a Full-Speed device should be still limited to the USB 2.0 specification.

USB 3.X is designed to provide handle power. Meaning the cables and connectors are rated differently.

A USB 2.0 device is only allowed to draw more power if that supports USB-BC (the battery charging protocol) and if the port supports that too (like on a rated high power port).

[turbid tiger]

For some reason the issue is gone for like 30 minutes now.

[golden girder]

Hmm, maybe worth to reinstall the OS. 😝

[turbid tiger]

issue is also in bios

[ashen spindle]

have you tried a different gpu if that is when it started?

[golden girder]

Huh?

What do you mean? I though you already updated to the newest one.

[ashen spindle]

the mouse disconnect also happens when in bios so a os reinstall shouldnt do anything is what I got from that

[turbid tiger]

yes

Also I'd really want to avoid that because itll take weeks restoring all the stuff my windows is set up to

various firewall rules I don't remember, registry changes, and whatnot

[pale sigil]

I was aware of this

[golden girder]

Of this is very interesting...

[turbid tiger]

after 1.5 hours it just happened again

[golden girder]

@turbid tiger Can you cross check by installing the old graphic card again? Maybe also to use both, the old and new one.

[turbid tiger]

dont have it available rn

[hot osprey]

i need help

can some one help me

[turbid tiger]

and I had a lot of issues installing the 3070 so I'd prefer to not

[hot osprey]

bo can you help me

[ashen spindle]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[turbid tiger]

and I had a lot of issues installing the 3070 so I'd prefer to not

[ashen spindle]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[severe phoenix]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BJW4PQ56?tag=espresso004b-20 First sale on this thing, still pricy though and real men go OLED

[warped storm]

hey i got a question in terms of case compatiability of the pcb

[crimson wigeon]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[warped storm]

😥😥

[reef patrol]

Ask the question - don't ask to ask a question 😄

[warped storm]

yeah idk if its been asked before but i wanted to know if epo maker's minicat 64 was compatible

[reef patrol]

#🔧│keyboard_modding would be the place to ask.

[warped storm]

ok thanks

[pale sigil]

Your name is familiar

Helpful lol

[cursive summit]

"mute elf girl"

Never heard of you

[pale sigil]

Was your profile pic the elf from Dota anime

[cursive summit]

This some LoTR roleplay?

[pale sigil]

Thought so

[crimson wigeon]

Oh I remember you

[turbid tiger]

@golden girder update: started to happen more often again

And what I forgot to mention: When the lag happens, my game also lags

0fps

[golden girder]

Have you lowered the RAM speed already, like to 3200 MHz?

I still have the feeling that this maybe relate to the infinity clock.

[turbid tiger]

why would this change just because of a gpu swap

[wheat plume]

What y'all think of the new Dev Home and Dev Drive features on Windows 11?

[misty saffron]

Use the centralized dashboard with customizable widgets to monitor workflows, track your dev projects, coding tasks, GitHub issues, pull requests, available SSH connections, and system CPU, GPU, Memory, and Network performance.

oh my fucking god why

who asked for this

[crimson wigeon]

Developers

[misty saffron]

i don't understand who'd want to use that unless the user chooses not to touch grass

[golden girder]

The infinity clock handles the communication between CPU, RAM and PCIe devices. So also the communication with the PCH. More load on the PCIe lanes due to the better graphics card can likely increases the throughput over that. In the case it isn't stable the data needs to be retransmission which can throw off timing and the overall communication. USB host controller are still only PCIe devices after all.

It don't hurt to test for this and check if it may helps even the chances are maybe not that high. But I don't know, your problem is weird after all so the cause may is too.

[turbid tiger]

but there's enough people that run a 3070 with a 5600x and 3600mhz

[golden girder]

Even with direct storage the GPU still get it data from the RAM and not directly from the storage device.

[golden girder]

That doesn't really matter. It can still be that you just got unlucky with the CPU lottery.

[turbid tiger]

that would be quite a huge luckiness, such dramatic differences shouldn't exist

[golden girder]

AMD don't support such speeds for a reason because they can't guarantee stable operation with these.

By the way, what is the exact model name of your mainboard?

[mild finch]

Should I use sRGB mode for competitive fps games on my monitor, or should I just stick with native? Please help me out 🙏

[turbid tiger]

asus tuf b550 gaming plus

[final flame]

welp it's been done, it'll be arriving in september since I missed the order deadline

@gusty kiln

[gusty kiln]

oh shit

[final flame]

Decided to get the original clears while they still are available new

[gusty kiln]

no return though

[final flame]

yea but I've already tried the mg and from reviews they're almost the same, just tuning

[gusty kiln]

wonder if they'll ever do another refresh

[final flame]

I'd hope not

[gusty kiln]

the only other consideration in this price range was the 109 pros

but people say they aren't as technical

[final flame]

yea

[gusty kiln]

also september

[final flame]

yea sadly, my card kept getting declined yesterday

and the deadline was yesterday

[gusty kiln]

oof

[final flame]

I'd assume this is the last time to get these headphones new

[gusty kiln]

damn really?

[final flame]

probably, idk tho since Headphones.com likes to use the term "Final" so damn much

lost all it's meaning

[gusty kiln]

kek, I wonder if they have an exclusive deal with focal

[final flame]

I'd assume they're just buying up all the old stock

at a discounted rate

[gusty kiln]

hmmmm

[final flame]

the clears used to be 1500$ now they're 890$

gotta be getting them for quite cheap to be able to sell them for that low

[gusty kiln]

yeah

the only negative about the clear other than the driver potentially clipping is the weight

450 grams

[final flame]

yea, although they're better in terms of weight distribution than audezes

[cursive summit]

OG Clears, great choice

I'm interested in seeing how good are the new Hifimans with Susvara drivers

Was it the Ananda that's getting Susvara'd?

Could be compelling value if it's good

[golden girder]

After a search I found a similar problem but the result was open. Possible that CPU has some issues. Your new graphics cars should be PCIe 4. Together with the RAM clock it can be that your CPU has issues.

So please lower the memory clock to 3200 MHz and also limit the PCIe generation to 3 and try this combination. Otherwise I can only recommend to swap out different parts to check when it's ok.

[hasty thunder]

what's the issue?

[reef patrol]

3070s can definitely run at Gen3.

My 3080 does.

[turbid tiger]

I already tried gen3, that didn't fix anything

I'll try the lower ram tomorrow

[hasty thunder]

3600 should run fine if FCLK is at 1800, which is totally fine for Zen 3. They usually don't have issues at 1800

however, you have to enforce PCIe 4 manually on a B550 in order to use it

[ashen spindle]

its not about getting ram speeds to run, its about usb dropouts

[hasty thunder]

they're not a real issue on B550

X570 is affected by it tho

[turbid tiger]

so is the b550

[ashen spindle]

I guess mini is hallucinating then xD

[hasty thunder]

and even there you can circumvent it by disabling C states

[turbid tiger]

for some people it helps

But a lot of people reported disabling global C states does not help

Also for my motherboard disabling them isn't even available

[reef patrol]

I can't believe that.

[hasty thunder]

neither can i

[turbid tiger]

It's supposed to be on AMD CBS in the BIOS

But it literally wasn't there

[hasty thunder]

It's actually under CPU Settings

[turbid tiger]

you sure? asus website said its on amd cbs

[hasty thunder]

it's definitely under Advanced CPU settings tho

[turbid tiger]

as I said

[ashen spindle]

also f9 should be search key, did that not show anything?

[turbid tiger]

nope

nothing when looking for "c-state"

and that option is literally missing

[reef patrol]

I'd love to see a photo of your CBS menu 😄

[turbid tiger]

only the cpb and idle control there

[turbid tiger]

basically screenshot above without that option

[hasty thunder]

[ashen spindle]

I mean wouldn't be the weirdest if some bios they forgot to add some option

[hasty thunder]

my Dark Hero has it under Advanced CPU Settings

[ashen spindle]

dark hero should be a bit higher up the price stack so I wouldn't assume things are in the same places

[hasty thunder]

well, it launched with a price tag of 600€

but then again, i'm dailying an X570 Aorus Master Rev 1.2 with a 5800X3D and a Royal Elite Kit at 3800 14-14-14-34

[gusty kiln]

damn, how much tweaking was needed to get that ram to work?

[hasty thunder]

not a lot since Elite Kits are pre-binned B-Die's

[gusty kiln]

hmmm

cuz even a cheap 3600cl16-19-19 kit was BSOD on my 5800x3d

though the mobo was a cheaper one

[reef patrol]

laughs in TridentZ 3600

[gusty kiln]

hard to find 32GB kit of those now

[reef patrol]

I mixed two 2x8GB ones.

One silver, one gold.

[hasty thunder]

i just bought a 4x8 Kit for 500€ and called it a day

[gusty kiln]

goddamn

500 for memory

[hasty thunder]

these heat spreaders are delicate tho... a single touch with the naked finger and they're immediately dirty

[gusty kiln]

I'm a cheap-ass, think 3600cl18 will be plug and play?

[hasty thunder]

depends on your boards topology and RAM Die

[gusty kiln]

cuz at this point I don't really care about the last few percentages of performance

just want something stable and easy for my 5800X3d

[hasty thunder]

just buy a 3200 14-14-14-34 Trident Z kit, these usually end up with a 10B at the end of the 420 Code line, which are guaranteed B-Die

those can easily run 3600 12-14-14-34 @1.45-1.5V

or just look on Craigslist, ebay, etc. and keep on eye on 10B at the end. That's a cheaper way to get a guaranteed B-Die Kit

[turbid tiger]

wtf 3600 cl12

how much tho

[hasty thunder]

how much what?

i should repaste my CPU...

[hasty thunder]

i hate the idea of a 4.5 slots cooler

even the 2.5 slot cooler i have on my 6800XT just feels wrong

my 4k60 Pro Mk II?

PCIe storage drive maybe?

yeah, niche use cases, i get it, but still

[ashen spindle]

niche and only for those in the niche who would want to use these cooler sizes

if you need the space AiO is an option, pcie risers etc.

[hasty thunder]

still, i feel like the GPU cooler size went out of control

[fading ore]

Then buy the founders. They have a pretty compact cooler

[hasty thunder]

and the worst PCB you can get

thanks but no thanks

[ashen spindle]

it did get a bit bigger because they all expected more powerdraw than we got, so we got lucky and have bigger coolers than needed sometimes

[snow moon]

Bruh I just want my system to sit under my desk

Them huge cards gonna make smaller cases history

[fading ore]

I wouldn't say they're a worse PCB. They use fewer layers than most of the competition but that doesn't really matter for end users or performance.
They had significantly lower failure rates than after market cards on Puget Systems' servers.

[hasty thunder]

pretty sure a lot of overclockers would like to have a talk with you, including myself

the FE PCBs are just garbage

[fading ore]

If you're talking about out-of-spec stability then yeah. Their power stage is not really designed for overclocking.

[ashen spindle]

small case and top of the line performance is always at odds thats nothing new

[snow moon]

Oh yeah but the current trend certainly doesn't help

[hasty thunder]

agree

the peak imo was the 1080 Ti. Insane performance for 2017 for a reasonable price, reasonable power consumption and reasonable size

[snow moon]

Full watercool is just a big time investment, on top of the extra cash, and a bit of risk

[hasty thunder]

well, the maintenance is also a thing

sff being a big time investment and requires extra cash? WHAT?

[snow moon]

Damn I'm just taking flak here

[hasty thunder]

honestly, flushing and filling a normal size system ain't that difficult either if you know what you're doing during the construction. Just plan a flushing and filling valve into it. But then again, you're totally missing his point, V

[fading ore]

Comparing the 1080TI and the equivalent priced card of current gen (4070TI). They seem pretty similar. Both are ~250W cards that is faster than anything previously released and cost ~$800.

I don't think much as changed aside from Nvidia releasing some higher end cards for ML Workstations.

The lower end market has been a bit rough though since Nvidia recently been holding releases of the xx60 series until well after the 3000/4000 series launch and also stopped releasing xx50s.

The 4090 is a really nice ML card. We started swapping over our Titan RTX system to aftermarket 4090s.

It would be nice if they released a new titan with 40+GB of VRAM though

[hasty thunder]

honestly? Fuck NV. The XX90's were always dual GPU cards. Reviving the SKU without a dual GPU card just feels wrong. All they did was advertising Titan cards suddenly as "casual consumer" cards while these are technically and physically halo products and disguised Titan GPU

and at a 2k price tag? Fuck no

[ashen spindle]

naming doesnt matter just price and performance for it, 3090 and 3090 ti are a joke, 4090 is expensive but a beast

[fading ore]

Some of the AI models we use on the fundamental nuclear physics beamlines need around 350GB of VRAM. But it's not that big of a problem since NVLink has implemented scalable VRAM for forward feeding nets in CUDNN now.

[ashen spindle]

also one thing people do forget

[cursive summit]

Fuck New Vegas

Those are fighting words

https://tenor.com/view/ranger-fallout-gaming-gif-16823128

[hasty thunder]

NV means nVidia, but ok

[ashen spindle]

and vexx knows it hes just being edgy

[fading ore]

I usually just ignore the advertising but yeah. They've changed things up quite a bit and it can be difficult to discern which cards are actually intended for consumer use nowadays.

[cursive summit]

That's not even edgy

Just trolling I guess

[fading ore]

Although I think the 4070TI is even relative to its time much better than the 1080TI

[hasty thunder]

but i'm honest here, i've abandoned NoVideo and don't regret the switch to AMD

[ashen spindle]

yeah, I did that with rdna2 and then rdna3 was not able to compete where I needed it though sadly so no real option there

[fading ore]

I've thought about getting a cheap AMD GPU for providing display outputs, since Nvidia's vsync is still broken for Xorg.

Not that cheap :3

[cursive summit]

I don't trust Arc's drivers at all

Especially for old titles

[fading ore]

It still has to be able to drive 6x 4k displays.

[cursive summit]

Like, say I want to play a game like HoMM3, will it even launch?

What if I want to play a fan project like Pokemon Infinite Fusion?

[reef patrol]

It's on GOG and there are lots of fan patches.

[cursive summit]

Who guarantees that Arc just doesn't launch games at all