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#🔌│tech
crisp granite
at least the opaque caps hid it somewhat
the transparent caps would only make that situation worse, even without the case
vagrant pagoda
you can doulbe shot transparent caps
crisp granite
mhm
but...Angry Miao ain't doing so
honestly, the only keyboard I'm really hype for from a tech perspective is the FLUX keyboard
that is a full transparent keyboard
gusty kiln
what about the 1% keyboard
vagrant pagoda
what about the 1% keyboard
osu special
gusty kiln
crisp granite
then Thomas curbstomped that pretty hard revealing the actual price
vagrant pagoda
i thought it was going to be a 1.4 key
gusty kiln
polycarbonate keyboards are so expensive for some reason
crisp granite
the NK65 still has the budget crown imo
sure the TES68 exists for almost...1/5 of the price, but the premium just for actual screw in stabs is worth it
gusty kiln
shame wooting stabs are plate
I have a bit of rattle on all my stab, so I need to lube
the gigachad of keyboard
vagrant pagoda
I have a bit of rattle on all my stab, so I need to lube
i have the durocks
they remove all that
i did have to got though i think 2 sets to get perfect ones
gusty kiln
great excuse for an upgrade
wheat plume
Apple are locking people out of their iPhones if the software is too out-dated
ashen spindle
is that some new youtube video title
wheat plume
saw it on an article yesterday
ashen spindle
and that article is where
wheat plume
im tryig to find it again
vocal cipher
Does anybody know a MacOS picture viewer app like FastStone in Windows?
I've been using Faststone for decades now - and can't find anything like it in MacOS
fair gull
idk use default image app
or use parallels desktop in seamless mode and then run faststone
frozen ingot
Apple are locking people out of their iPhones if the software is too out-dated
try not believing everything they write online
shadow minnow
MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO 24G for 1850€
ashen spindle
well they dont make lightning anymore so might as well be the sane non OC brand lol
but also not true, the liquid for example does go higher
ashen spindle
Twitter
gusty kiln
Why is he acting like a teenage American girl
wheat plume
fucking hell
gusty kiln
he'll do the classic delete post and ignore it ever happened
crisp granite
https://youtu.be/oTB-iNt4cyE
:o
exactly what my ass needed
as if a "cut-throat" razor could do what I need as well as this
cursive summit
Inb4 it's just a poll to weed out people who are against his bs
gusty kiln
lol banning almost a million users
frozen ingot
apparently his recent shenanigans could already get him lawsuited under eu data laws
vagrant pagoda
Good luck
Starlink is on ka/ku and I doubt the have any frequency restrictions in Ukraine after the jamming attacks
So they are likely doing crazy frequency hopes
empty wren
shadow minnow
Hmm in UK 40 series went down in price
chrome estuary
That Elon musk poll is now at 16 million votes. I wonder how many people the musk is gonna ban for this one
halcyon moss
more than half apparently
fair gull
everyone who votes yes gets banned after the poll
cursive summit
everyone who votes yes gets banned after the poll
That'd definitely get him banned in EU
But I don't see it not happening
Musk would defo do it
fair gull
how would that get him banned in the eu lol
its his company he can ban whoever he wants
cursive summit
Banning all the users who voted yes to him leaving?
EU can also ban whoever they want
ashen spindle
his company yes but that doesn't mean you can just ignore the TOS you set up for arbitrary reasons
fair gull
yes but they most likely wont care why would they
cursive summit
yes but they most likely wont care why would they
They already do care
ashen spindle
because they have reasons to fine him and make a lot of money from it lol
cursive summit
because they have reasons to fine him and make a lot of money from it lol
Prolly also why they went against Apple
Big company, much money
fair gull
i didnt know the tos says you cant get banned for whatever reason
ashen spindle
they dont and they dont have to be that specific
fair gull
then i dont see why he cant just ban people left and right
ashen spindle
the last thing he tried to do with not allowing other platforms was also not allowed in the EU https://twitter.com/AuerSusan/status/1604546032456663041
fair gull
that gatekeping stuff is new
reef patrol
That also doesn't come into effect until 2024
But that's a deadline, not a recommendation.
ashen spindle
The DMA will be applicable as of beginning of May 2023.
it was also already removed last night after people pointed out how braindead it is so not relevant either way for now
fair gull
The legislation, which regulates large technology platforms, enters into force on 1 November 2022 (20 days after publication) and the notification and review process by which the European Commission (EC) will designate companies as ‘gatekeepers’ starts six months later, on 1 May 2023.
Oh 23. My bad 😄
fair gull
so its already in action
and applicable
oh boi
steam wont be happy
preventing business users from offering their products and services under different prices and conditions on their own sales sites, as well as on third-party platforms (i.e., wide and narrow parity clauses) (Art. 5 (3));
didnt they complain to some publishers about this sort of stuff
ashen spindle
ya
fair gull
this is some really good shit tho
cursive summit
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preventing business users from offering their products and services under di...
Is that regarding localized pricing?
fair gull
like all the obligations and prohibitions
cursive summit
Isn't that bad?
ashen spindle
yes, somehow despite being led by our very own Von der Leyen the EU does good stuff for the most part
fair gull
no it means if i wanna sell a game on steam for 20bucks and on my website for 10bucks steam cant do fuck all
ashen spindle
yes, anti monopol law is always good
fair gull
and the us will as always benefit from the eu
first gdpr now this
allow end users to easily change default settings and/or uninstall any software apps on an operating system (OS), unless essential for the good functioning of the OS (Art. 6(3));
allow the installation and use of third-party apps or app stores that do not endanger the integrity of the device or OS (Art. 6(4));
no more bloat apps either
ashen spindle
I hope that doesn't touch localized pricing though
how are you reading that this would stop regional prices
ashen spindle
if anything this would imply the literal opposite of it, you being able to set whatever you want for whatever reason
fair gull
yep
ngl havent been this happy about new laws/regulations in a long time
if they now would also do some device repairability stuff
that would be dope
wheat plume
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allow end users to easily change default settings and/or uninstall any softw...
I bet all the OEMs will keep bloat despite this
They would argue that their shitty antivirus is essential for the OS to function good
Or their crappy audio drivers
crimson wigeon
Yeah can't wait for the bloat to have the tightest OS integrations now
wheat plume
Yep...
It's essential! If you uninstall it, the OS will break!!
Dell already do this with their Wavve Maxx audio software, if you uninstall it, the audio stops working cause they bake it into the default Windows audio drivers
I had to force windows to not automatically install drivers and then uninstall it and manually get audio drivers to get it to work
ashen spindle
It does not mean you can’t install bloat apps at all anymore..
They will keep it mostly the same because most comply already
And they will comply because they don’t make nearly as much as the fine would be for it
wheat plume
I know
But it means that OEMs will make it harder to uninstall the bloat
ashen spindle
No literally the opposite
wheat plume
Arguing that "it's essential" for the OS
And make it that if you remove it, something won't work anymore
wheat plume
That's legal it seems in that paragraph
Anything that's essential for the OS to function must not be uninstallable
Theyll come up with a reason to make it essential
ashen spindle
That doesn’t mean breaking the OS when it clearly works elsewhere without it would be a reason that would fly
crimson wigeon
They'll figure out a way, like maybe the shell UI absolutely needs to use Facebook for some reason
wheat plume
If you remove the Dell wave Maxx software, it makes the audio just stop working because that software is baked into the windows audio driver
Under this law, Dell would be able to make it impossible to remove because technically it's essential to allow audio to function
ashen spindle
no the exact opposite is the case
wheat plume
What?
ashen spindle
it means dell can not make it so it breaks the sound to function
because clearly the OS itself does not need it if you dont change the regular windows os
wheat plume
Yes
But Dell can make the argument that the sound breaks when it's uninstalled
And therefore it needs to stay
ashen spindle
no
well, they can say but that isn't going to work
like yes laws have loopholes and all but do you really think you could find one that easily
wheat plume
So this paragraph means that only Microsoft bloat is allowed?
Cause removing Edge can break the taskbar and idk why .-.
reef patrol
Because as always the browser is built into the OS and the OS relies on it.
Been that way with IE and not Edge since... Windows... XP? 98SE?
crimson wigeon
98 and didn't MS get in a lot of trouble for it back then? But I guess these days it's all a-ok
reef patrol
98 and didn't MS get in a lot of trouble for it back then? But I guess these day...
In the XP (or was it 7?) days for sure. I still remember them being forced to put out that PLEASE SELECT A BROWSER prompt, which went through several iterations because the EU kept complaining.
Though that was related to shipping with IE, not having it be part of the OS itself and removing it would require a lot of rewrite.
This is how we got the special EU only distros of Windows without any of the MS software included. Media player etc...
Was it the N version? Forgot
ashen spindle
yeah N version
which made a mess when games like GTA 5 relied on the media player to be there so it only works on N versions if you install the media pack manually
I also am not sure if that would even count as bloat aside from an ideology point because how many MB do the remains of edge that you cant fully remove without breaking stuff even take up
wheat plume
Because as always the browser is built into the OS and the OS relies on it.
On windows youy need a browser to download software xd
well, not really anymore cause of Winget and the Store if you can get an app there instead
vagrant pagoda
On windows youy need a browser to download software xd
Cds are still a thing!
reef patrol
On windows youy need a browser to download software xd
Not what I mean - If you force uninstall IE and EDGE on a Windows OS, shit will break.
crimson wigeon
Explorer has FTP support, just visit ftp://ftp.mozilla.org oh wait Mozilla shut that server down feels bad man
ashen spindle
win10 has curl or you can just use powershell to download stuff
wheat plume
Not what I mean - If you force uninstall IE and EDGE on a Windows OS, shit will ...
true .-.
ashen spindle
its just not the intended usecases
wheat plume
I was wondering why the install wasnt doing anything .-. turns out the UAC prompt was open in the taskbar and I didnt notice it
crimson wigeon
Regardless on personal computers we still have it pretty good, but my point is about mobile devices where all the manufactures technically ship custom operating systems so they can just deeply integrate all the bloat there and have a valid reason to not alllow uninstalls
reef patrol
UAC...you will not be missed.
ashen spindle
MS should make a windows version where you cant use any browser at all and only allow powershell to keep the linux people contained in that version
wheat plume
S mode but even more limited?
ashen spindle
no you can do everything just not use a browser to go to the internet so you need to use powershell
wheat plume
ooof
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Winget has some strange stuff
AYYYY, I got the mic volume fixed
Had to contact support, they sent me a direct link to the firmware updater cause the one I tried already didnt run
I forgot when you connect a device that windows thinks is new, it defaults to 100% volume
.-.
vagrant pagoda
UAC...you will not be missed.
It's still in 11
reef patrol
I was literally referring to disabling it as the first thing on every install
Shit's useless.
vagrant pagoda
Yeah it's still there though patiently waiting and plotting
Also imagine that it saves prompts for some reason, and an update turns it back on
And it exploded onto the desktop
wheat plume
Cleanest version of Android ive ever seen on a cheap ass phone
frozen ingot
there is no clean version, they're all full of googles prying eyes 
wheat plume
NFC?!
on a phone this cheap, gosh damn
Android 5 tho lol
One thing I miss about older Android versions, you could make it so you could lock the phone by holding down the home button
now you basically need the power button :/
unless you use MIUI and add the lock widget to your homescreen
gusty kiln
I like the good ole double tap to lock
wheat plume
Yeah, phones these days have double tap to wake, but I also want double tap to lock
wheat plume
yep...
gusty kiln
my samsung has both
pale sigil
My GPU can be rmed, they said however it can take 28 days.
Either a refund or replacement.
Right, so i am going to go to my friends with my GPU, wack it in there and run windows over USB C again
See if the issues still happen.
If it doesn't it can be ruled down to CPU or RAM
wheat plume
The "Now Playing" feature only works on Wifi....
That's BS, cause if you are on WIFI, you are most likely at home and therefor know exactly what song is playing anyway -.-
pale sigil
Wha
wheat plume
Google's Now Playing feature, the thing that shows you automatically what song is playing on the lock screen whenever your phone hears a song
It's a Pixel exclusive but people got it to work on Pixel-like custom roms also
tropic nacelle
It should work offline as well?
tropic nacelle
It will work offline it just doesnt update the list
crimson wigeon
Unmetered being the keyword here, probably they assume most users don't have unlimited data
wheat plume
idk how it would work offline, since it needs to check for what the song is
by using whatever database content matching shit it pulls from
tropic nacelle
It's a database it keeps it locally
tropic nacelle
That's why it can be out of date but runs offline if needed
wheat plume
and therefor needs wifi
tropic nacelle
The hit the search is different, that sends it to Google as it hasn't found it in the local cache it has
pale sigil
Right, so i am going to go to my friends with my GPU, wack it in there and run w...
Now that i think about it using a 60hz monitor is going to be a pita
tropic nacelle
Now that i think about it using a 60hz monitor is going to be a pita
That's a real firstworld problem there mate! I know that pain.
pale sigil
Yes but im worried about being bias and seeing issues that are 60hz and not what im trying to test
hahahaa
tropic nacelle
wheat plume
ooh
tropic nacelle
@wheat plume that's what mine says, so I assume it's the same?
wheat plume
yea, seems so
reef patrol
Not really. Settlements rarely give change. Just moves money around.
tropic nacelle
520m? That seems like a small amount no?
wheat plume
Its working for me but it still tells me it needs unmetered wifi in the settings
tropic nacelle
Its working for me but it still tells me it needs unmetered wifi in the settings
Probably not letting you set the send to Google option as you are on metered wifi
wheat plume
Probably not letting you set the send to Google option as you are on metered wif...
the button works too, its not automatically detecting the song though, maybe cause I dont use the Always On Display
tropic nacelle
the button works too, its not automatically detecting the song though, maybe cau...
It does it on the lockscreen for me so yeah probably doesn't help haha, you should be able to see a history of songs it's heard though
wheat plume
Yeh, the history works!
tropic nacelle
Also the shop called my 3080 "old"
What happened to the 3080?
2 years is hardly old!
pale sigil
i just keep having issues and have for a long time
reef patrol
tropic nacelle
Sad, best make use of the warranty though
reef patrol
Mine's been trucking along.
tropic nacelle
My 3080 had some issues but was just driver issues, only hardware problem was the coil whine... Had to undervolt and underclock a little to make it significantly less annoying.
This 4090 only emits similar levels playing rocket league at 1300 FPS compared to the noise at 172 on my 3080 xD
pale sigil
i tried to eliminate it, new PSU, tried ram testing and OS etc
was even wondering if it was ghosting
tropic nacelle
Is that you slowing down the video or it slowing down? I played a bit of high on life yesterday and I felt like I was playing at 5fps on the in-game game and then after that it still feels off.
pale sigil
It's slow mo cap
The issue isn't fps or feeling like I'm playing low, it's just it feels weird and choppy, it's as if there are micro tearing or that there is ghosting when there isn't
reef patrol
M-m-m-m-m-m-microstuttering!
pale sigil
It just feels horrible
Like I just did it on mu left monitor and I still feel it
It's like parts of games are smoother than others
tropic nacelle
Can I say I feel this while playing on my 4090?
pale sigil
Thing is I said it for s while but I never felt this way with my 1070ti
tropic nacelle
Don't suppose you have had it happen on another game you recall?
pale sigil
I've tried it on exodus
If you look further
And it's an issue I've had in many games for over a year or so
wheat plume
wtf is this shit?
ashen spindle
dont think the battlefield game he had it on has TAA
vagrant pagoda
did you try a relfex game?
pale sigil
But shouldn't i not need reflex
but yes i had it with cod which has reflex
and d2 has it too
jeez, doom eternal is 89gb
i can try control
tropic nacelle
Yeah you shouldn't need reflex, is it possible you are suffering from the MPO issue?
Shouldn't hurt to try with MPO off and see if that helps, can always turn it back on if not.
pale sigil
i can try
tropic nacelle
Also had multiple monitors didn't you? With two different refresh rates? That was a problem I saw Nvidia dealing with for a very long time and never fixed to my knowledge, it was why at the time I went for two same monitors just to avoid it!
ashen spindle
different hz screens can cause fps drops and that seems to not be what his issue is
crimson wigeon
I think the issue seems to be that vsync isn't working (it's enabled and still there's tearing, what the shit?!) and #StutterStruggle, but not caused by games being faulty
pale sigil
But ive tried a fresh os and current.
but also isn't vsync only for refresh rate changes?
ashen spindle
I thought it would be tearing but there isn't really a tear line you can make out
pale sigil
i was keeping a consistent fps for my monitor
crimson wigeon
Vsync is literally there to eliminate tearing, if you see tearing with it enabled something is seriously wrong
ashen spindle
But is it tearing?
crimson wigeon
There was a clip earlier that had tearing, supposedly with vsync enabled unless there was a misunderstanding
charred stump
hello, i got a tech question for anyone who has built their own pc?
tropic nacelle
It depends on what that framerate of the slow mo is? That could just be the natural latency of panel.
pale sigil
Here we go again
charred stump
im just wondering if a 4+4 pin modular cable can connect to just a 8 pin (or just a 4 pin) cable extension? or do i need to get 4+4 cable extension cables?
pale sigil
Frozen anything off yet darling?
Heard this line to much
I'd hate to be a benchmarker
ashen spindle
just disable sound
pale sigil
True
ashen spindle
im just wondering if a 4+4 pin modular cable can connect to just a 8 pin (or jus...
do you mean 4+4 cpu cable for a 8 pin cpu header or for a 8 pin pcie cable?
pale sigil
Did you know the fog could actually be hiding new life from us?
charred stump
do you mean 4+4 cpu cable for a 8 pin cpu header or for a 8 pin pcie cable?
so my psu modular cable is a 8 pin (4+4 pin) EPS/CPU cable, i bought some white extension cables but they're just an 8 pin and a 4 pin EPS/CPU cables
ashen spindle
I would say look up the data sheet for your psu and the cable if it fits since I dont remember if its all the same or like pcie cables and different between psu makers
charred stump
I would say look up the data sheet for your psu and the cable if it fits since I...
no no, i know both the cables are EPS/CPU and not PCIE, my question is can i plug a 4+4 pin modular cable into just a 8 pin or just a 4 pin extension cable?
without messing up my PC?
ashen spindle
oh so your extension cable is 4 pin to 8 pin and not 4+4 to 8?
pale sigil
Not exaggerating but at this point almost all of my desktop has been replaced.
I've had the PSU RMA, SSD, cooler and no GPU.
charred stump
oh so your extension cable is 4 pin to 8 pin and not 4+4 to 8?
no, lets just use 1 cable as an example to make this easier
my PSU MODULAR cable is a 8 pin (4+4 pin) and i have a white EXTENSION cable which is just a 8 pin, its not a 4+4 pin extension cable
reef patrol
my PSU **MODULAR** cable is a **8 pin (4+4 pin)** and i have a white **EXTENSION...
Is the extension cable EPS or PCI-E though?
charred stump
yeah thats not what im on about
charred stump
Is the extension cable EPS or PCI-E though?
they are both EPS
reef patrol
Then there's no problem.
But mixing EPS and PCIE is a great recipe for magic smoke though.
charred stump
Then there's no problem.
so it doesnt matter that my EXTENSION cable is a 8 pin and its not a 4+4 pin like the modular cable is?
reef patrol
so it doesnt matter that my EXTENSION cable is a 8 pin and its not a 4+4 pin lik...
Correct. As long as the cable extension is also EPS. The wires end up in the same spot.
charred stump
Correct. As long as the cable extension is also EPS. The wires end up in the sam...
is this also the same for my 4 PIN extension cable, if i split my 4+4 pin modular cable so its just a 4 pin, it will connect to the 4 pin extension and go into my motherboard without messing up my PC?
again both EPS
i was just worried about whether or not the extension cable had to be the same as the modular cable, like both had to be 4+4 and not a 4+4 into a 8 pin or the 4 pin
but yes both are EPS
i dont know so thats why i was asking, and if the 4 pin extension cable would work
yeah so thats what i bought, i bought a 4 pin extension cable and a 8 pin extension cable but the modular cables are 4+4 pin and i was worried that they also had to be 4+4 pin
but thank you i feel better now
pale sigil
I got mum to test it
She saw something and saw others but she isn't a good test subject
Since she can't see how awful true motion is on here tv that constantly had ghosting and tearing
ashen spindle
not likely when its across multiple engines
gusty kiln
Rip I think the stab rattles is actually not stab rattle but from the loose stem-housing of the lekker switches on my modifiers
shadow minnow
I got mum to test it
Your mum
crisp granite
I gave it a go, just because you insist
it's on my steam wishlist if that's any indication of how I felt about the demo
vagrant pagoda
Rip I think the stab rattles is actually not stab rattle but from the loose stem...
slap some thicker lube
gusty kiln
Using dielectric grease
Spacebar seems be fixed
but modifiers are still have rattle
the switch itself is very wobbly, can't do much without opening it and lubing it
vagrant pagoda
the switch itself is very wobbly, can't do much without opening it and lubing it
swap it
gusty kiln
not many good swap canidates
there was one good spare and I used it for the space bar
hard falcon
where can I find nice coiled, braided cables specifically for gaming keyboards (usb c obvs)
company has to be reliable and cables must be of good quality
ashen spindle
gl with that, dont think anyone found something reliable yet
vagrant pagoda
shadow minnow
Definitely not underpaid labour
frozen ingot
coiled cables very undope
shadow minnow
Will probably start functioning as an inductor at that point
wheat plume
LTT: Lets get snow all over a computer that costs like 3 grand
possibly more than 3 grand cause the GPU is already nearing 2 grand
reef patrol
LTT: Lets get snow all over a computer that costs like 3 grand
I think the fire is a greater concern personally.
reef patrol
Eh... it'll melt and blow out fast.
reef patrol
Not a single fan has direct access to snow though. They literally dusted off the area the case sits on.
wheat plume
not when they turned the PC sideways cause of the flames blowing into the cables xd
gusty kiln
@vagrant pagoda are durocks the only plate mount you recommend?
vagrant pagoda
they are the only ones i have
gusty kiln
ah ok
they are still a little rattly after drowning it with grease
so Imma just replace em
vagrant pagoda
i just got ones that fit
gusty kiln
or cotton
vagrant pagoda
i do use some hotglue between the stab and pcb
gusty kiln
interesting
final flame
wheat plume
This is what I was referring to the last day but couldn't remember where I saw it
latent mural
hey stupid question but is the two he hotswappable?
latent mural
with what switches?
frozen ingot
replacement lekkers
shadow minnow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxaCUugPoRY
It’s funny for people to claim planned obsolescence when iPhone 6s got support of the newest iOS for so long
still loom
hey stupid question but is the two he hotswappable?
It's hot swappable so you can lube the switches or replace them, you don't change them to other switch types
shadow minnow
At least as of now no other switches are compatible, however you can also replace the springs.
final flame
It’s funny for people to claim planned obsolescence when iPhone 6s got support o...
I'd say it's more of a issue when it comes to preservation of tech
ashen spindle
I think it's ok if it lets you know ahead of time and lets you upgrade, same reason I am ok with windows updates being so forceful
if you really know what you do you can stop it, but grandma doing her banking really should not be allowed to use windows xp for that
but locking out without clear warning is a no go
and obviously gotta give people an option to upgrade instead of fully locking people out lol
reef patrol
Good luck with that and not breaking the mouse 😄
crimson wigeon
Best to just reverse engineer and make software that doesn't suck.. but the amount of effort required to do that is high
ashen spindle
best way to make synapse better is not using razer products so they notice it or go down and someone else takes over lol
crimson wigeon
Oh yes
wheat plume
Best to just reverse engineer and make software that doesn't suck.. but the amou...
That's what someone did for Roccat mice!
Made software for them on Linux too
Roccat even link the software on their website but they suggest you don't use it because it's not made by them.....
tropic nacelle
The really shitty thing is that if you have say a razer viper mouse everytime you plug it in via usb it auto runs their installer to prompt you to install.
Everytime!
It was added as a change so it didn't used to do it before for me but then became a thing.
Glad to be rid of it
wheat plume
That literally happens with my speakers too .-.
crimson wigeon
That just sounds like malicious hardware to me
reef patrol
The really shitty thing is that if you have say a razer viper mouse everytime yo...
Welcome to Windows.
Logitech mice do the same.
frozen ingot
mine doesn't
tropic nacelle
In the guise of being user-friendly it acts like a virus it's awful.
I say no and it didn't accept it.
It's not just a windows thing? It's razer's fault, doesn't logitech just give you a prompt once?
reef patrol
I have a Razer ... whatever the one with the swappable side is called. And both of my Logitech mice prompt every time I plug them in.
I just let Logitech install their shit and blocked the app from starting.
frozen ingot
my g pro wireless hasn't prompted me on a new windows install
ashen spindle
Roccat even link the software on their website but they suggest you don't use it...
huh that sounds like it would look funny, whats the site they link it on?
frozen ingot
I regularly take it with me to use with the laptop when am away too and I just plug it in and use with the onboard settings
tropic nacelle
I have a Razer ... whatever the one with the swappable side is called. And both ...
Weird, I thought it was just razer that did it!
That's even worse then, it was awful when I was swapping the mouse between work pc and home pc as everyday it would prompt me, proper tilting on a silly thing!
frozen ingot
maybe its just models without onboard profile storage that begs for the software?
g hub isn't great but its really not in the same league of cancer that synapse is
tropic nacelle
It's one of the things I really appreciate with wootility, it's actually well done and doesn't need to run or be installed.
frozen ingot
there's pros and cons to either approach, I like the no bullshit functional approach of wootility but you do miss out on more system-tailored customization/features by not having a system client
tropic nacelle
What type of tailored customisation would you actually like that is missing?
Ive tried thinking of things but I cannot come up with anything haha
frozen ingot
having the keeb automatically switch profile to whatever game you're playing and even sync rgb to indicate various in-game statuses, or let you bind keys to applications installed on your computer
some examples
tropic nacelle
Fair enough, I CBA with RGB but for those who do that makes sense and the app switcher.
frozen ingot
its not a dealbreaker for me to be without, but it would be a great option to have
pale sigil
Guns bad.
wheat plume
Bad people who use guns bad
guns not bad
Its like saying knives are bad because bad people have used knives to commit crimes
Ban knives?
pale sigil
But he's right... About saying people would steal a gun vs print one regardless, no one is going to put this much effort into harming someone.
wheat plume
yeah..
shadow minnow
Its like saying knives are bad because bad people have used knives to commit cri...
Well knives have other usecases
pale sigil
The problem with knifes is the same issue as guns
shadow minnow
Only usecase of guns is hurting stuff
frozen ingot
sure you might be able to print a gun
pale sigil
Dangerous ones are to widely available.
wheat plume
Well knives have other usecases
you saying the only purpose of a gun is to commit crimes?
frozen ingot
finding ammo for it on the other hand
shadow minnow
you saying the only purpose of a gun is to commit crimes?
Or hurt people where it’s not a crime
pale sigil
Hunting rifles are dangerous but can do much less damage than other guns.
shadow minnow
Or hurt people where it’s not a crime
As in self defense
wheat plume
Self defense is crime in some states :/
pale sigil
There's 0 reasons people can easily access military grade/ar/pistols
shadow minnow
Any automatic pistols make no sense
wheat plume
it takes hours or days of work to make them cycle
shadow minnow
Ok you could argue normal gun for a shooting range, you don’t need automatic too
pale sigil
I'm not entirely against guns, I'm just against the availability of most guns.
shadow minnow
Even then knife you can use to chop vegetables, guns aren’t too good for that
pale sigil
That's my point
wheat plume
guns can explode veg xd
pale sigil
The issue with knifes is how easy it is to get knifes you shouldn't be able to get.
shadow minnow
guns can explode veg xd
Same with nuclear bombs, gotta try them in my veg sometimes
wheat plume
LOL
pale sigil
Hunting rifle I think everyone should be able to get with the right background checks etc
But an AR etc? Fuck no.
wheat plume
Hunting Rifles are just as capable of being used in a crime, so are you contradicting yourself?
shadow minnow
In some countries even police don’t carry guns
pale sigil
Less likely and do less potential harm.
shadow minnow
Hunting Rifles are just as capable of being used in a crime, so are you contrad...
It’s harder to harm multiple people
Way harder
wheat plume
In some countries even police don’t carry guns
Yeah, here in ireland they have no weapon at all...
if they come across an armed criminal, they are fucked
pale sigil
It's a lot more difficult for someone to get s hunting rifle and kill lots of people
Even a single person
Everything is deadly in a way
But the amount of guns available are just horrid
shadow minnow
Life is the most deadly thing
pale sigil
It's clear society can't be trusted with such tools
shadow minnow
Brings death in 100% of cases
pale sigil
And in general these tools don't serve purposes, they are behind excessive.
Shotguns were usually used to scare off people without mass damage.
shadow minnow
Cause of death is always being alive in the first place
pale sigil
Not that they can't cause insane damage but you are going to struggle doing mass damage.
wheat plume
you mean the hunting rifles where you need to reload after only one shot?
pale sigil
you mean the hunting rifles where you need to reload after only one shot?
Exactly
tropic nacelle
Difference from a knife Vs gun is that you generally have to be in very close quarters of people to injure/kill them, a gun is very impersonal and can kill bystanders many metres away unrelated to it.
I'd rather have a knife problem than a gun problem, you can outrun a knife but you can't outrun a bullet
vagrant pagoda
Not to say guns aren't deadly, knives cause much worse injuries actually.
vagrant pagoda
Shotguns were usually used to scare off people without mass damage.
That is only a movie/book trope
sick token
but the worst injury of all is a billion dollar company losing quarterly salesss
wheat plume
Why can Windows show thumbnails of .webp images in the File Explorer, but has no app installed that can open them?
cursive summit
but the worst injury of all is a billion dollar company losing quarterly salesss
Somehow they have income only 2x the AMD
AMD can actually fuck them up
ashen spindle
lol no
cursive summit
Intel though is like 2x bigger than Nv and AMD combined
still loom
AMD have the same problem with the 7900XT though
It's pretty much abandoned on shelves aswell
cursive summit
AMD have the same problem with the 7900XT though
I mean, that's just a shit product
XTX is good
XT needs to be 750/800 to sell
ashen spindle
nvidia is basically all gpu, amd is basically all cpu, they are not doing anywhere near as much money into RTG
so their gpu related income is a lot more than just 2x amd
still loom
XT needs to be 750/800 to sell
Same issue with the 4080 though
ashen spindle
not really
still loom
The AMD card is a chiplet design, therefore is cheaper to produce, aswell as having much smaller coolers
ashen spindle
XT is a XTX which one defective/deactivated MCD, 4080 is a separate die
still loom
So their cards in general can be much cheaper
ashen spindle
the XT/XTX are cheaper than a 4090 to make yes, not cheaper than a 4080
still loom
Chepaer than the 4080 also
ashen spindle
mhhh don't think so
still loom
The 4080 doesn't use chiplet, uses faster VRAM and has much bigger coolers
You factor in much more R&D into the features
Better compatibility in professional software
ashen spindle
no I'm talking about BOM of the 4080 being lower than XT/XTX
still loom
Then the price difference doesn't really matter
Also the 4080 uses far less watts
Both under load and idle
So over 2 years of a serious gamer or professional the card will end up cheaper than a XTX
ashen spindle
what I'm talking about is ignoring all that and the 4080 should still be cheaper to produce than a 7900
still loom
It sholdn't.... the chiplet design of the AMD makes the dies cheaper to produce
They get a much higher amount of dies using the design
ashen spindle
the die of the 4080 is a lot smaller than the 4090
sick token
smaller = more does it not or am i tripping
still loom
Yes but using a single chip rather than chiplets still makes it harder to produce functional dies
ashen spindle
yes its cheapear than if it were a monolithic design of the same size, but the 4080 die is a lot smaller than 7900 if you add gcd+mcd sizes + interposer cost
that is factored in already
yields are extremely high
still loom
Yields of the XTX chiplet is higher than the 4080
Therefore cheaper
But yet it isn't really reflected in the price
ashen spindle
you got some numbers on the yields? because they must be really bad if a 380mm^2 4080 die is worse than 520mm^2 of the 7900
still loom
you got some numbers on the yields? because they must be really bad if a 380mm^2...
The 380mm* is still larger than all of the individual chiplets
That's 520mm* broken up into what... 6 chiplets? or more?
ashen spindle
yes the GCD is 300mm^2
and 36 for the MCDs
but those also cost money and have defects
7nm is not a wafer size you get for free lol
still loom
There's a reason AMD chose to go down the chiplet route, to save themselves money
And the consumer
ashen spindle
yes compared to making this design monolithic it is cheaper, it is cheaper than the 4090, not cheaper to make than a 4080
still loom
But drop the watts of the 7900XTX down to what the 4080 does and see the performance
Also take out Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 from the 14 game average and see what it does
pale sigil
If they can't replace my GPU which they won't be able to because mine got discontinued I'll only get s partcial refund
I just want it replaced ;-;
ashen spindle
they intended to compete with the 4090 so it makes sense that they competed with a 4090 die size but that didnt work so now its a 4080 competition that costs more to make than a 4080 die
magic crypt
They people who can afford to buy 4080's and 4090's probably aren't all that concerned with energy efficiency that much 🤪
ashen spindle
having money to spend doesnt mean you want to waste it
reef patrol
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5748557/ebuyer-ripping-me-off-ov...
Companies trying to avoid RMAs.
Water still blue.
still loom
They people who can afford to buy 4080's and 4090's probably aren't all that con...
Yeah for sure 😂
Still a notable difference though
magic crypt
Differently
still loom
having money to spend doesnt mean you want to waste it
All depends on what you consider wasting money is
An Nvidia user could also turn to an AMD user saying they have wasted $1000 on a card that doesn't function well in all aspects as the Nvidia card does
And an AMD user can say similar things but differently to the Nvidia users
ashen spindle
not at all what I was talking about but sure
magic crypt
I'm sticking with a 3090 for now anyway, I always skip a card generation
ashen spindle
I'm just saying having money to afford a 4090 doesn't mean you dont care about powerdraw
still loom
It's all perspective and what the user needs and wants
Both cards are not good
XTX or 4080
ashen spindle
yes, but 4080 is more likely to come down in price because it costs less to make 😛
still loom
For the price that is
Like buying the 3080 back in 2020 for $1000 is a better deal than what you're getting now 😂
Because it was only 10% lower than the best performing card
But I mean.... it's all perspective really
ashen spindle
if you want relative estimates for BOM costs btw
I do wonder if SLI/Crossfire will come back in a few gens
sharp badger
All the GPUs now are so powerful though 😅
ashen spindle
yeah but what if scaling gets a lot better and pcie 6 or so is fast enough to overcome micro stutters so you can upgrade later by getting the same gpu again
still loom
Yeah pretty much
ashen spindle
if prices go up like this
sharp badger
I think that 2x3090 where slower than 1x3090 if i remember correctly 🤔
still loom
As long as you don't buy a £200 GPU you're fine 😂
ashen spindle
well yeah not talking about needing it to make it playable
sharp badger
ashen spindle
but if costs go up and speedups not as much, that could be something to go for
if they can make nvlink stuff better so we dont get micro stutters which is the reason I could never do it
and make sure the driver scales it instead of devs having to make it for each game
still loom
Nvidia did really good with the 4090, you need something like that in the market to push AMD
And you need AMD pushing the prices down
It's all good for the whole market
sharp badger
Yeah
still loom
Honestly both companies are doing everything right
sharp badger
Also with 2x cards the powerdraw is very high
ashen spindle
I think amd doesnt need anything pushing them when they are having broken gpu designs they need to release
ashen spindle
if they can fix it yes
still loom
Both companies need something up their sleeves
And I'm sure they always have it ready
ashen spindle
if they had it ready amd wouldn't release a gpu that doesnt compete with the 4090 lol
still loom
Well in a few games the XTX gets close
But like... the 4090 is just in a class of it's own
Also I see the 4080 as the new 3090
They are just shifting the numbers
cursive summit
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-3090-sli-fail-to-outperform-4090
Doesn't beat 4 1080Tis in SLI though
ashen spindle
not really, the 4080 uses the 103 and not 102 die
cursive summit
Suck on that one 4090
still loom
Yeah the chip numbers change along with that
fair gull
how i see it is my 2080ti runs more than fine so ill upgrade in 2 or 3 gens
cursive summit
Tbf if you can't beat 4 of 3 gens older cards in SLI then you are weak
still loom
Like the 3080 couldn't really compete with the top AMD card last year, but now the new 80 does
ashen spindle
yeah but that is from amd messing up not related to nvidia in that sense
and the chip numbers dont move up because 102 isn't replacing AD100
neither does it from a cost point come even close for them to make that shift lol
tropic nacelle
On price the 6800xt was the competitor to 3080, they were similar in rasterization
still loom
The prices overall are just disgusting tbh but you can see why the 4090 is 1600 😂
ashen spindle
because gamers showed they will eat everything yea
still loom
Pretty much
tropic nacelle
Sorry, this one's on me this time!
ashen spindle
and because nvidia wants more money
still loom
Well yeah they have to do something, crypto died so they need to fill that gap
You wouldn't want your company just losing income
ashen spindle
oh no, not my company with >50% margin not making insane margin anymore lmfao
still loom
😂
tropic nacelle
Nvidia just milking halo product pricing, there is no competition so they can charge what they like.
Only the 4080 and below will need to drop due to competition arriving
still loom
Nvidia are in a good place regardless of sales, they own the market pretty much
Laptops are the big sellers and they pretty much have that market owned
halcyon moss
And you need AMD pushing the prices down
lol, prices down :/
still loom
Or monopolised
But you can't blame people, Nvidia just have the better overall package
Pure gamers will want those frames from AMD at the cheaper price
But Nvidia will always offer the better package
tropic nacelle
But Nvidia will always offer the better package
That's not true
ashen spindle
yeah like the package where I can't have my vr headset and my 2 screens run at a 4090 insane value
ashen spindle
if we are talking about pure gamers then cuda isnt relevant
tropic nacelle
Nvidia will likely have a competitive package every gen but it's not guaranteed.
Nvidia won't always be top, it's swung in the past and it will swing again now AMD has more money to invest with.
still loom
if we are talking about pure gamers then cuda isnt relevant
For sure but GPUs will always be relevant to more than just pure gamers
tropic nacelle
Yeah not sure why people mention CUDA in the context of a consumer graphics card for gamers.
Sure it's a relevant piece if you can make use of it but pure gamers won't ever touch it that it's mentioned just because it's a marketing buzzword as a win.
ashen spindle
ok but you cant start making an example talking about what pure gamers want then list stuff they dont need?
still loom
I mean that market of pure gamers actually using their head for frames is a small market though
In the big picture
ashen spindle
I think most gamers do infact not use frameworks for coputational fluid dynamics or else
and most sales still go to consumers, workstations that dont use quadros (or whatever new name they use) isn't the biggest part
still loom
If you look at the sales from gamers for the previous year the most used GPU on steam is a 3060, combined laptop and desktop
At that point the AMD card equivalent is probably better value than that card to buy
But it didn't happen
ashen spindle
I am aware of the marketshare, but also how does that relate to using CUDA or not? why are we hopping from one point to the other the entire time
still loom
All that point means is something additional the GPU can run
Regardless of whether it is or not
It's part of the package
tropic nacelle
I would assume the majority of gamers just hear the marketing of big reviews saying Nvidia 4090 fastest card.
They then just pick a card at their budget with the highest number, by Nvidia.
They dont go much deeper than that which is why halo products are quite useful as a marketing tool
They aren't buying them for CUDA
ashen spindle
it's not a better package though if the value from the package comes from features they dont use?
still loom
If AMD pushed their chips into more laptops they might be able to get more market share
But they just don't seem to push that market
halcyon moss
not hard enough :/
still loom
it's not a better package though if the value from the package comes from featur...
There's more than just CUDA though
That was just a small example
halcyon moss
I had some trouble getting a 6000 series cpu in a laptop, there was basically only one option
ashen spindle
then what example is there that is used
still loom
I had some trouble getting a 6000 series cpu in a laptop, there was basically on...
Yeah it's rough to try and get an AMD GPU laptop
still loom
then what example is there that is used
The overall package... put yourself in an average consumer's shoes
They want to play the latest games
The latest tech
AMD fall short in RT, I know real gamers don't care about it
But it's part of the package
Nvidia Reflex gives an edge for latency in many games
tropic nacelle
That's just marketing speak though, what feature are you on about?
They pick it just because they know Nvidia had best card at some point so must be good
still loom
That also is not matched by AMD
There are many factors you can look at that are just not matched on AMD
ashen spindle
you mean like wanting to play Need for speed so I need to update my gpus vbios or get a blackscreen
tropic nacelle
you mean like wanting to play Need for speed so I need to update my gpus vbios o...
Hey that was changed to be Intel motherboard bios needed a change 🙂
halcyon moss
Yeah it's rough to try and get an AMD GPU laptop
zephyrus g14 2022 edition 🙂
ashen spindle
That also is not matched by AMD
you mean the reflex feature that is matched and sometimes better by amds anti lag?
still loom
Anti Lag isn't as good as Reflex
tropic nacelle
Think AMD is generally pretty close feature wise now.
FSR 2.1 is close to DLSS (2.x)
Anti lag has been a thing for ages same as reflex
Raytracing is still better but arguably it's much closer now.
still loom
But I mean these companies will improve them over time
tropic nacelle
Not to mention that they tend to play COD where AMD stomps
still loom
For sure AMD are making strides
But let's talk when they actually pass them in a feature 😅
Not get close
ashen spindle
So like when anti lag came out before nvidia released NULL and then reflex? 😛
tropic nacelle
They have in the past? I'm not sure what the point is.
I miss Radeon chill, that was great and way ahead of Nvidia for poweraaving while maximising game performance
still loom
😅
tropic nacelle
AMD could match every feature and provide more while also being faster and a little bit cheaper and people still wouldn't buy it because "lol bad drivers" has somehow become a notorious lie that was relevant a decade or two ago now
still loom
I just think AMD need to push the laptop market and once that happens then the competition will get even better
tropic nacelle
The laptop market is secondary, it's not as big as the dedicated GPU segment.
pale sigil
Just wish AMD got better as a whole
Even their newer CPUs were a bit underwhelming imo
Though I do look forward to the 3d cache ones
tropic nacelle
Even their newer CPUs were a bit underwhelming imo
How so?
tropic nacelle
It was a reasonable jump over Zen 3 but Zen 3x3d meant it was much closer (in games) so made the value look worse at launch.
ashen spindle
idk seems in line for most cpu upgrades, cpus for 1080p average here
tropic nacelle
Yeah that x3d is the reason why it looked bad as that was still recent in people's minds and is easily accessible for those who already had AM4.
Good position to be in to be fair, both AMD products!
ashen spindle
underwhelming due to cost isn't really something entirely in amds hands with the global situation
tropic nacelle
Think people forgot how new socket launches go especially with big changes. It's less of a thing when you say the board will last 2 CPU's and ditch it
vagrant pagoda
Ddr5 is hardly worth it for pure CPU loads yet
ashen spindle
but most importantly we only have raptor lake due to amd being around
and MTL seems to be delayed again
vagrant pagoda
But for apus it's amazing
ashen spindle
also everything is underwhelming if you follow rumours and have expectations 😛
vagrant pagoda
It will be interesting to see x3d gains in ddr5vsddr5
tropic nacelle
In theory more cache should mean ddr5 makes less of a difference, same as how it did with 5800x3d as slower ram wasn't as big deal compared to other Zen 3 chips.
I'm looking forward to seeing the performance uplift, it maybe what sells me buying AM5 board
wheat plume
How does Windows determine if it should copy or move files you drag and drop into a new folder?
Sometimes it moves, sometimes it copies and I cant figure out why
ashen spindle
yes it scales but also that is 720p and I heavily disagree that that is a valid test case
ashen spindle
it depends on if you move it on the same drive or to another
vagrant pagoda
Low resolution is how you benchmark cpu performance
reef patrol
Oh right - Man... can't remember the last time I've done that. I have become too efficient 😄
ashen spindle
you can benchmark cpu for theoretical tests, not for actual gaming relevant scaling
it is not representative of it
vagrant pagoda
No that's literally how you do it
Running it GPU bound does nothing to show you how fast the CPU is
wheat plume
it depends on if you move it on the same drive or to another
o..
tropic nacelle
I mean ddr4x3d scales with memory just as good as normal
That doesn't include the 5800x though? I didn't say it doesn't scale, it's just not as impactful compares to the non 3d version.
vagrant pagoda
wheat plume
oo, you can get Dolphin on Windows, hell yeah
ashen spindle
bleh cant find the thread of some senior engine dev on why 720p is not a good test, but yes, even at 1080 it does scale
vagrant pagoda
Plus the 5800 is worst in memory latency than dual ccx chips
Including the x3d
Cache is a bandaid for bad code, not slow memory
tropic nacelle
What do you mean?
X3d has more cache, it will hit memory less than the non 3d version.
It's not a bandaid for bad code at all
halcyon moss
oo, you can get Dolphin on Windows, hell yeah
ಠ_ಠ you thought you couldn't?
ashen spindle
mostly am curious how much it will help 1% .1% lows since we are seeing some games with big differences when the fps get really high nowadays
vagrant pagoda
What do you mean?
X3d has more cache, it will hit memory less than the non 3d ve...
Not hitting memory it doesn't change memory latency
wheat plume
Hek yeah! kate too
vagrant pagoda
And the difference between even the x3d and a 5900/5950 is pretty big in latency
tropic nacelle
Not hitting memory it doesn't change memory latency
It doesn't change latency but if you don't need to call from memory you aren't being penalised by the latency difference.
So as it hits the memory less often it will be less latency sensitive
vagrant pagoda
Yes but L3 and memory is higher latency
But that is besides the point
Good memory and correct timings makes more a difference in most games than x3d
You're lucky if the average user even enables XMP
And I've personally tested memory with both my 5800x3d and 5600x
The 5600x will do 2100 fclk and can beat the 5800x3d in a lot of games
But the 5800x3d will do 2000 fclk and gets the same uplift
Well my second 5800x3d
tropic nacelle
I'm not saying there isn't scaling, it just isn't as necessary as the gains are smaller, compared to the non x3d.
vagrant pagoda
That isn't true. 3600 to 4000 is 5% on both
tropic nacelle
On what benchmark?
pale sigil
"thank you for contacting the MSI Support.
We're sorry to hear you're experiencing issues with your product.
If the unit is faulty, please contact your seller and make a repair request with them.
Please be informed that all warranty responsibilities for components such as graphics cards, motherboards, gaming gear, liquid cooling, chassis, are given only to the distributor, which means for end-users that warranty related questions, and repair requests must be made to the shop where the unit was bought"
This confuses me a bit
reef patrol
TLDR; Contact seller, not MSI
reef patrol
Even if it is, they'll probably tell you to ask seller first to get out of it 😄
tropic nacelle
Contact ebuyer yep.
Your contract is with the retailer
MSI probably has a deal for doing it via retailer to make it easier for them.
Pretty sure you can force them to take it but might be some effort
reef patrol
Gotta love EU. Always seller within two years. Simple simple.
pale sigil
But then I get this
"Do note that due to the age of your product, the best we’ll be able to do is test the card, then send it for repairs or a replacement if faulty. If we can’t do either it will be a partial refund, and the process can take up to 30 days."
tropic nacelle
UK has had sales of goods act for a long time as well, I do think the minimum 2 year warranty that EU mandated was a nice change mind!
reef patrol
"Do note that due to the age of your product, the best we’ll be able to do is te...
Imagine thinking you can offer a partial refund on a valid warranty. Oh Britain
tropic nacelle
"Do note that due to the age of your product, the best we’ll be able to do is te...
That's not good :(.
So they test to confirm the issue and then give a partial refund based on depreciation
reef patrol
Warranty begins on date of arrival at customer.
(within reason if there's a dispute of a few days)
tropic nacelle
Starts from day of delivery I thought yeah
fair gull
in the eu it does ya
reef patrol
Warranty ones can be weird though - Might be from date of REGISTRATION of the product on their website.
pale sigil
Affording to forum's ebuyer does this a lot
ashen spindle
yes so likely just an automated reply that looked at the time the purchase was made not when it got delivered
pale sigil
This is directly from tech team
tropic nacelle
Ebuyer is pretty scummy, I tend to avoid buying from them. Sadly I buy from Amazon where possible for this very scenario as Amazon will just go "here's a full refund sorry!"
pale sigil
My concern is that my card got discontinued
reef patrol
Hahaha. UPS wants to deliver my 2nd replacement monitor on the 24th. Your funeral 😄
tropic nacelle
What card is it? Wasn't it the rx480 or something
ashen spindle
yes it got discontinued because they are all EoL lel
tropic nacelle
Wait what ??? They should just be able to give you a card of equivalent performance. Either another 3080 model they have (the AIB) or a 4080
pale sigil
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 10GB GDDR6X GAMING X TRIO
Nah this one got discontinued quick quickly after launch
tropic nacelle
It's EOL but it shouldn't be out of stock, they should be having cards held back exactly for RMA replacements.
pale sigil
Got replaced with them mining limiter ones or something
ashen spindle
did you actually confirm is the gpu btw?
pale sigil
"MSI has reportedly discontinued the RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio and cancelled a number of unfulfilled pre-orders of the graphics card. Currently, it looks like the graphics card will be replaced by the RTX 3080 Gaming Z Trio, which comes with a few small differences that should not impact performance.19 Apr 2021"
pale sigil
did you actually confirm is the gpu btw?
Tomoz but I wanted to get the ball rolling early
ashen spindle
do that first before you deal with something and then its not the gpu lol
tropic nacelle
Should be able to use cex as a reasonable response to the money value they give you to replace it
pale sigil
Because my 7600k had issues similar but worse and when I rmed that it was heaven again
pale sigil
https://uk.webuy.com/product-detail?id=sgramsi308010g01&categoryName=graphics-ca...
So basically pennies
ashen spindle
which still makes me think it's the psu lmfao
ashen spindle
or general power in that case
tropic nacelle
So basically pennies
I mean they sell it for £630 here so you should aim for £630 back to be able to buy a secondhand 3080
pale sigil
Tbh I'd prob get an AMD card
But I'd prefer a replacement
Lol when I had to rma my 1070 after 3 years Amazon just refunded me the day after
I was surprised
tropic nacelle
Yeah I still find that's ridiculous already, still in warranty and less than 2 years! They should just be giving you a different model of the 3080 that is better or the same.
pale sigil
The warranty is 3 years
tropic nacelle
Amazon refunded my ddr4 purchase as I bought it 6 months before I built my pc and I was in hospital so couldn't start, refunded full amount even though the price of ram had halved!
pale sigil
Well that makes sense
ashen spindle
yes if its covered by warranty it doesnt matter how much the price changed
you also wont get more if your 3080 broke during mining boom and the cost was 2x for the card
tropic nacelle
I think it does, they can argue it only had X time left of warranty so that's how much reasonable lifespan was so will give a portion of the warranty as the value
ashen spindle
idk what the law says but that sounds like bs
after all a warranty that is set to 2 years for everything hardly reflects expected lifetime of a gpu lol
reef patrol
I think it does, they can argue it only had X time left of warranty so that's ho...
That's something an insurance policy would do. Actual warranty (here in the EU and any sensible country) is...
- Repair
- Replace with identical or agreed upon with customer replacement product (different model or newer model)
- Full refund of the original price on the receipt, no more, no less
tropic nacelle
Probably best check the warranty terms just in case
pale sigil
I'll prob push for msi but regardless we are still following eu laws
Especially for purchases made before Brexit
But also the issue is rtx 3080s are still holding their value here.
I paid 830 lol
tropic nacelle
Yeah, that will be the deciding factor if anything.
They can give you a depreciated value but I'd the secondhand value has held or gone up they need to accept the difference.
pale sigil
Ebuyer don't even sell them anymore
Thru sell like 2 models
I'm never using them again....
tropic nacelle
Also that card is in-stock so you should be fine to push them to send you one of those, it shouldn't matter if ebuyer is selling them as MSI should have stock for RMAs
pale sigil
It's not in stock?
ashen spindle
make sure its the card that is the issue first, if it is push for a full refund, not worth looking into anything else atm imo
tropic nacelle
It's not in stock?
On scan sorry, just mean they should have their own cards held back for replacements for awhile (MSI)
pale sigil
Most manufacturers just either upgrade you or give you the new model
At least from my experience
Which is why is prefer going via them
tropic nacelle
Yeah that's what they should do, equivalent or better is what the warranty tends to say it will give you
pale sigil
The rough part is 30 days without a gpu
tropic nacelle
Find out if it's the card tomorrow and then maybe go back to msi and say you want to do it direct.
pale sigil
Thankfully I have a gtx 750 for video out at least hahahaha
Ye it'll be tomorrow or day after
Prob tomoz though
ashen spindle
you cant say you dont use your pc and then at the same time says its hard to have 30 days without gpu 😛
tropic nacelle
that's a big upgrade what are you complaining about xD
pale sigil
you cant say you dont use your pc and then at the same time says its hard to hav...
If I wanna play destiny 2 for 40 min a week I will do so
pale sigil
that's a big upgrade what are you complaining about xD
Ikr it can play beat saber are 720p
Last time I was without a gpu I heavily replace on GeForce now beta
And I played bfv beta on hd hraohics
ashen spindle
might as well power your pc via steam deck lol
pale sigil
might as well power your pc via steam deck lol
Hahahahahah
I would consider partial refund but the other issue is apparently there are cases of ebuyer just binning it and then offering options
Or finding then after they damaged them during testing
:s
To be honest is kinda fucked GPU warranties are so short these days
I need to rma my cooler as well which I just can't he bothered
I'll probably do that tomoz... That fucker grinds harder than people on grindr
tropic nacelle
Cooler is faulty?? I guess a dodgy fan?
pale sigil
Pump
Every now and then it's like it's possessed and my system gets to 90c but all the time in general it makes a grind noise
And I ain't replacing the fluid as that's under warranty
If it's the fluid
And not pump
tropic nacelle
Oh, you orientated it correctly I assume?
pale sigil
Mate I've had two aios fail on me
@tropic nacelle yup
Aftar the second time I went to noctua but my stupid ass went back to aio
I ain't trusting them ever again
Never once had an issue with air coolers
tropic nacelle
Sounds like some mega bad luck 🤣.
The joys of custom loops sometimes is helpful here haha
pale sigil
Sounds like some mega bad luck 🤣.
The joys of custom loops sometimes is helpfu...
Oh
You haven't known me for long have you.
cursive summit
You haven't known me for long have you.
I have and you are cool
cursive summit
cute*
tropic nacelle
Haha, warranties are there to be used!
Getting your monies worth in a different way
pale sigil
I've had almost every part of a PC fail on me
Only thing that hasn't is the case and fans which um... Ye
Oh and mobo
Though I did have a dodgy mobo in the past
tropic nacelle
I have had loads of hardware die over the decades, gotta make use of the warranty! The annoying thing is dealing without the component for a few weeks sadly
wheat plume
seeing virtualised gnome desktop, inside a KDE host, running on an M1 Mac is freaking wild...
tropic nacelle
The worst one was Seagate, I finally bought one of their drives against my better judgement and it died within 6 months, got it replaced which also died shortly after and another.
Had to get a refund in the end, that was unnecessarily annoying for me so I went back to avoiding Seagate like the plague xD
pale sigil
Even had a mouse die after 1 day
tropic nacelle
This is why my life changed with Amazon support, they don't give a damn and just refund you without hassle or claiming you are lying or an idiot.
pale sigil
2 PSUs, 1 CPU, 1GPU, 3 Drives (Samsung and Sandisk), 3 mice, 2 monitors, 2 aio and other stufft I can't remember.
Ye I usually try to use Amazon
As much as I can.
wheat plume
ive had different experience with Amazon support, they required me to send back the product
ashen spindle
yes that is normal?
pale sigil
That's normal
Only small items not worth sending baxk they won't ask for
Eg pendrive
ashen spindle
but also that list is why I think its your psu/power delivery breaking shit lol
tropic nacelle
ive had different experience with Amazon support, they required me to send back ...
They require the product back but actually refund you quickly.
I've had some things where they say don't bother sending it back, keep it (working items but wrong item colour given !)
pale sigil
Though Logitech donr seem to want their mice back
They refund you the moment it's scanned
pale sigil
but also that list is why I think its your psu/power delivery breaking shit lol
My entire house?
still loom
ive had different experience with Amazon support, they required me to send back ...
They're not exactly going to take your word for it that your $2000 TV doesn't work
ashen spindle
yes
pale sigil
In my room? Only MY tech?
wheat plume
They're not exactly going to take your word for it that your $2000 TV doesn't wo...
what about 40 euro headphones?
xd
pale sigil
On all plugs?
wheat plume
had to return those
pale sigil
The PSU was replaced
reef patrol
but also that list is why I think its your psu/power delivery breaking shit lol
That's what any decent PSU should filter and normalize.
pale sigil
had to return those
Probably sold by third party
still loom
had to return those
I'd say they probably want everything over 10 euro returned
wheat plume
o
pale sigil
Ye
Or if it's small
Eg pendrive
They rarely want SD cards back too unless it's expensive
I now how a USB stick that has multiple distro installs that can't be written to
Full refund and it can run multiple Linux distros without write.
Now, do y'all think a GPU will be fine in my bag wrapped in it's original bag.
Anti static bag
ashen spindle
yes
pale sigil
No way in hell in going on a train with the box
To big lol
Casually on the train with £2000+ in my bag
tropic nacelle
Anti-static bag and maybe made sure you have some cushioning on the bottom of the bag
tropic nacelle
What's what with the pro?
pale sigil
Nothing, I just regret it as soon as I bought it.
GPU isn't being returned, I'm testing it at my friends.
wheat plume
oohh
tropic nacelle
Nothing, I just regret it as soon as I bought it.
Fair enough! Are you in the apple ecosystem or just decided to plunge in?
pale sigil
I have the firt gen ipad pro
ashen spindle
now that I think of it, have you tried running the gpu on your steamdeck and have that output to your screen? if the bandwitdh works lol
pale sigil
That's pretty much it
wheat plume
do PCIE to USB C adapters exist? XD
ashen spindle
what do you think external gpus use
shadow minnow
Also
wheat plume
Thunderbolt is a different protocol
pale sigil
now that I think of it, have you tried running the gpu on your steamdeck and hav...
I mean you can't really do it on the deck
Unless you open it up
shadow minnow
Thunderbolt is a different protocol
It fully supports usb c
pale sigil
Unless you mean streaming
wheat plume
It fully supports usb c
ooh..... I see
shadow minnow
It can also carry pcie over it and such
ashen spindle
nah meant plugged in, idk how much the deck supports
shadow minnow
But basically thunderbolt has all standard usb c has, not the other way around
pale sigil
The deck doesn't support eGPU
wheat plume
AFAIk, the Deck cant support NVidia GPUs
pale sigil
It needs better ports and onlu works via pci
wheat plume
SteamOS 3 itself doesnt either, even if you install it on something other than the Deck
ashen spindle
why would the deck randomly only block nvidia gpus?
also he already has windows on it so thats not relevant
sharp badger
wheat plume
why would the deck randomly only block nvidia gpus?
Driver issues