🔌│tech

[astral haven]

The 3090 with the same cooler reviews to hit around 80 at 350w
The 6900xt hits 120 in my friends system

Side panel off it still hits 110

And the 6900xt uses in this case 50w less power

[tropic nacelle]

There's something chronicly wrong with it then to hit those temps at less than stock power.

I can only assume ambient temp is much higher where you are?

[astral haven]

Negatory

I mean where I am it's high
But he has ac

Keeps ambient to like 22c

[tropic nacelle]

Then that just seems messed up, no stock configuration should be running that hot there is something wrong.

Maybe they have one from MSI or something that had zero clamp force on the cooler.

That's crazy man!

[astral haven]

Gigabyte

The recycled the cooler from like the 2070 onto the 3090 and 6900xt

It isn't good enough, but the 3090 is still lower temp at higher power than the 6900xt

[tropic nacelle]

Ah gigabyte, I stayed away from them last time I had an abysmal cooler on I think it was a gtx460 back in the day, the Fermi heat wave xD

[astral haven]

Yes
He was planning on water-cooling to be fair so he bought the cheapest one

It was still more than I paid for my 3090kp lel

[tropic nacelle]

Makes perfect sense then, for water it's easiest to just get any supplier who is using reference board for the block compatibility

[astral haven]

It was a downgraded reference board but yea

With wc tho, my 3090 stays under 35c over water temp even at 600w

And I let water temp go up to 40 before I turn on fans

The gpu idles at 42c
About 4c over water temp

[tropic nacelle]

Nice, I haven't gotten round to putting my block on this 3080 but looking forward to no longer having the memory throttling!

[astral haven]

3080 memory shouldn't throttle what???

[tropic nacelle]

Ah I should specify, founders edition. Thermal pads on it are abysmal they make poor contact, Nvidia clearly didn't want to provide slightly thicker pads

It's why so many people who aren't even doing water cooling end up taking it apart and replacing the pads, seems crazy to me it shouldnt be a thing.

[astral haven]

That's still strange

There is contact at all to a heatsink
Those chips are not that hot they just need any contact at all to a heatsink...

The 3090 throttles because most folks put an insulator directly over the chips

[tropic nacelle]

The memory chips do run hot, the 3090 as you say usually has issues as the rear chips get no additional cooling.

For the FE they don't make good contact and it's a known issue how poor they are, it throttles at 105c but easily goes to 110c .

Most I've seen once people replace the pads is 20c or so improvement on stock cooler still, it's pretty poor by Nvidia

[astral haven]

Very odd

I hadn't heard of the 3080 fe having that issue before

[tropic nacelle]

I didn't think much of it when I picked it up as I planned to put it under water pretty quick but my block got lost in post and was out of commission for awhile and now I have no time haha

[astral haven]

Ikr

I made the mistake? Of ordering the Optimus block
It took 8? months to arrive

[tropic nacelle]

Crazy, I had to wait almost 3 for mine I thought that was long enough haha.

I gave bykski a go this time rather than picking up EK as they have gone down the pan and their prices are insane, the FE board is different so their compatible one is like £250!

I think the bykski was only like £70, much more acceptable!

[astral haven]

It was a preorder to be fair
They said it would take 6 months

[tropic nacelle]

Not ideal but a little more acceptable for that wait then

[astral haven]

Yea

Also the performance
Stellar

Hottest memory chip gets to be like 62 when running flat out

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah that's a much more reasonable temp 🙂

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOdp09SYhCc
Linus's sister builds PC - aka. embarrassing childhood stories.,

[misty saffron]

didn’t think i’d need to see female linus today

[pale sigil]

Oh, Linus has a sister lol

[final flame]

she was shown in older videos

I think this is the only other time she was ever shown

[misty saffron]

since eth is proof of stake now, i wonder if another token skyrockets

due to all the people with now almost useless gpus

[shadow minnow]

Is she called macox?

[fickle ore]

@astral haven hmmm

[amber marsh]

I'm looking for new headphones, was looking at the sony xm5, sennheiser momentum 4 & sony xm4 ..

gonna use them mainly at the gym, any recommendations?

[tropic nacelle]

Earbuds != Headphones remember, xm4 headphones should do a better job.

But wind is a problem for all really

[amber marsh]

i ment the over ear headphones.. my bad

[vivid vine]

Anybody ever have problems enabling XMP Profile in Bios then motherboard not detecting GPU ?

[vocal cipher]

first time ever hearing this

you sure that's the problem?

[vivid vine]

What I am wondering PC has been fine for well over a year, just got a weird bluescreen in the middle of a Apex match

[vocal cipher]

what's the error?

[vivid vine]

Bluescreen didn't not even fully load in, just boots me back to what would be the bios splash screen

[vocal cipher]

did you bios update?

[vivid vine]

What I am about to do

That an see if Nvidia has a update for GPU

[vocal cipher]

my latest bios update fked my pc, gave several ram related blue screens need to downgrade 2 versions now it's stable

[vivid vine]

Thought my 2070 died on my

[vocal cipher]

there is sth else that I do which helps time to time, unplug pc, turn it on when it's unplugged, then plug it again and turn it on

it discharges the motherboard

MSI motherboard problem

[vivid vine]

I have a Gigabyte X470

[vocal cipher]

might be similar issue

it is easy to try

[vivid vine]

Just so weird never had this problem, been over a year since I updated the BIOS tho

Maybe I should give that a go, I am on a really old version

[vocal cipher]

good luck

[vivid vine]

@prisma crag Yea what I thought it was suppose to do, so at first I thought it was typical windows being windows

But when the mobo lights keep stopping on vga I started to worry, thought maybe some water leaked and dripped in between the block

But water levels are all the same and its working now going to dig into Windows Crash Logs and see if it shows anything

Then try to update BIOS see if that helps any

[vivid vine]

@vocal cipher think I just needed a bios update, I was still on a version released in 2019

Put my riser cable back in and everything seems to be fine now

🤷‍♂️

Guess I will find out next time I get into some shit if I blue screen

[cursive summit]

https://www.igorslab.de/en/amd-radeon-rx-7900xt-possible-platine-and-new-findings-exclusive/

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-would-like-to-invite-you-to-watch-the-b650(e)-models-presentation.html

[astral haven]

It's what we call extremely Harman
I really enjoy the part where it doesn't really have any midbass bloat

[ashen spindle]

throwing a wild guess out there nvidia is calling it geforce beyond because the 4090 will be 2.08x the 3090 in their tests so its beyond doubling performance

[shadow minnow]

professor Trelawney

[cursive summit]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88449/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-series-gpus-waiting-in-warehouses-since-august/index.html

[ashen spindle]

Fake report

I've just heard from an anonymous source of mine that NVIDIA has been stockpiling next-gen graphics cards for a couple of months now.

Literally not possible

[reef patrol]

Wasn't the 4000 series leaked from Lenovo OEMs?

Or only on paper?

[fair gull]

i heard from an anonymous source of mine that you all have anonymous sources

[cursive summit]

August was 15 days ago

Like, how will they launch if they don't have the stockpiles

Or is Nvidia announcing the announcement

And the announcement will announce the launch day

[ashen spindle]

Because announcement in 2 weeks means launch in 4+ weeks and not all versions at once

They never had a launch right after announcement

[cursive summit]

Didn't they open up preorders right after the announcement?

I remember them being instantly sold out on their shop

[ashen spindle]

Pre orders or not doesn’t change the amount they have 4 weeks later

[tropic nacelle]

They will generally stock pile months ahead though. It would have already been sent to board partners by now to do their designs and proof production.

I would assume they are building stock now if it's getting announced at the end of the month for a release in October.

Doesn't change anything though as stock will be low regardless 🙂

[ashen spindle]

Depends what you set actuation point to

Mass production started this month/last month, so it’s not „months of inventory“

Board partners do they design and add the chips later

[tropic nacelle]

2 month is months though haha.

Board partners would have had samples awhile ago and a finalised spec later, then they should be building up stock prior to launch.

But the one saying they have been stock piling for months already when it's still a couple months away is likely wrong/made up.

It's a spring, it's force requirement is not flat .

Bottoming out is 60g and start is just below 40g so the further down you press the more force needed.

If you set your activation point to a low mm value (early activation) then it will require less to force to activate as it's closer to the start of the spring.

[ashen spindle]

3080 was sold 2 weeks after announcement, 3070 a month later and the delayed or so

[tropic nacelle]

Yeah I think we are in agreement sorry if what I wrote implied I wasn't. Months ahead of the October launch would be August.

[ashen spindle]

so october for 4080 or 4090 or whatever launches first, that will have some inventory obviously, just not "months" of it like the article claimed

since he claimed as of today there is "couple of months" of inventory, I would say that means more than 2 and only 1 month is realistic if we're generous

[tropic nacelle]

If they round up I guess months can be accurate at a stretch? If it started bang on August start but that's extremely doubtful.

These people will write anything for a click 🙂

[fair gull]

anyone know how an rx570 and rtx2070 compare powerconsumption wise

[ashen spindle]

20w more on the 2070

[fair gull]

i think the psu can handle that

guess my gf gets a free 2070

[ashen spindle]

techpowerup is the best for that to check power consumption and other charts to compare gpus

[fair gull]

now to hope the ryzen 7 2700 doesnt bottleneck the 2070 too much

[tropic nacelle]

Are you swapping a 570 for a 2070 or something?

[fair gull]

yes

i aquired a 2070 for the grand total of 0eur

[tropic nacelle]

Nice!

[ashen spindle]

should be fine, worst case she can turn up the graphics and fps stay the same

[fair gull]

at some point shell get a wooting aswell

[frozen ingot]

I hate you

[fair gull]

i also got an hp dl160 g8 for free

[frozen ingot]

cries in 2060

[fair gull]

thats a small 1u server

[fair gull]

cries in 2080ti

[tropic nacelle]

It won't run worse with a 2070 :).

However it will probably be a bottleneck depending entirely on the games and resolution you play at.

You don't have to upgrade but you should have a nice path for a "cheap" upgrade as you can pick up discounted 5000 series CPU or wait for the 5800x3d to tank when the next stuff comes out

[frozen ingot]

that I bought for inflated price during the gpu famine

[fair gull]

were talking mostly 2d games like stardew or amongus and ff14 at the peak

1080p

she cant do most 3d games too well due to nausea

[frozen ingot]

the card it replaced was a gtx780

[tropic nacelle]

I think you will be fine a 2070 probably overkill if you play at 60hz as well

[fair gull]

well i do plan to maybe train some AI while at her place

so i will need some beef

[frozen ingot]

it was literally dying on me, hence why I had to buy that 2060 when you could barely get hold of anything at all

[fair gull]

if i get another nice gpu i can send it to ya free of charge

cause u helped me aquire smth i value more than a gpu

[reef patrol]

Must...resist...

[fair gull]

do it duck

do ur worst

[reef patrol]

YoUr dIGnItTY

[fair gull]

na

the huano keychain thing

of my dignity?

almost as valueable as the preprod w1

[shadow minnow]

I didn’t get to any huano switches though I tried to

[stark bobcat]

What is special about them?

[fair gull]

they arent actually produced afaik

[crisp granite]

Prototypes of the original lekker design

Only given out during the in person wootup

[stark bobcat]

ic

[reef patrol]

Long long Lekker

[stark bobcat]

I wish

[frozen ingot]

20mm lekkers when

[reef patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFUP7Qe5GR8

That is one seriously impressive workshop. I am so jealous 😄

[frozen ingot]

that's nice yeah, my workspace is kind of a mess

[vivid vine]

Hate the viper shape, why I rag on Finalmouse Starlight. I have a v1 sitting in the box in my desk, gave me hand cramps

My mouse needs a little butt just like my lady

[gusty kiln]

Definitely a claw mouse

[vivid vine]

Low profile, works really well with claw grip and fingertip users

I want to try the Lamzu that Calder had last video

[gusty kiln]

It's great if you like to micro adjust with your fingers when aiming

[tropic nacelle]

It's the best mouse imo, perfect shape for me and the buttons are a dream

[gusty kiln]

Viper feels very nimble

Can you try it at best buy or something?

[vivid vine]

@latent mural do you like something touching the center or any part of your palm?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[vivid vine]

Then Viper will be your dream

[gusty kiln]

Definitely better for smaller hands, the only issue is how much hump contact you want

[vivid vine]

What mouse do you have now

[gusty kiln]

It'll feel slimmer in the hand

[vivid vine]

Bro you are the exact opposite of me Slayr.. I went from Viper to GPX

[gusty kiln]

Superlight feels like a potatoe to me

[vivid vine]

@gusty kiln I felt the same way about the standard g pro, but the superlight idk why same shape but it felt so much better. Maybe the coating? 🤷‍♂️

Yea sounds like you would enjoy the Viper

Synapse isn't the greatest but it beats SteelSeries Engine

[gusty kiln]

Think you can go without software on the v2 pro

No rgb anyway

Isn't there a light indicator?

[vivid vine]

@latent mural yea the battery won't compete with the GPX.. not sure what Logi did but i am pretty sure they have alien tech to get the battery life they do

[gusty kiln]

My viper ultimate gets like a week

Are you getting the 4k polling?

But yeah i think you can uninstall synaspse after setting everything up

[vivid vine]

Give you a little of an idea

[gusty kiln]

It has memory

Yeah

[vivid vine]

You just save the profiles and settings onboard like the 60HE so you can delete the software

Its more like bloatware than software

Have fun fighting with that

It has so many background things and extra bits and bops that are not just for mice and keyboards it gets ridiculous

Especially if you have Synapse launch at start up

[gusty kiln]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/64eihy/go_home_razer_synapse_youre_drunk/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[vivid vine]

@gusty kiln IM DYING

[reef patrol]

You haven't experienced bloatware till Razer's installer pops up completely uninvited or asked for during your Windows install's first bootup.

Logitech does the same with some of their product.s

[vivid vine]

Yea the big guys need to take a page out of Wootings book

[gusty kiln]

Or open source like qmk

[vivid vine]

But then again they want all the data to sell, extra profits

[gusty kiln]

What dpi do you use

You might not even need to install any software

1600 is standard on most mice

[frozen ingot]

part of why I opted for a g pro wireless over the viper ultimate

sure g hub isn't great either but it doesn't do shit like this

[gusty kiln]

?

It's usually 400, 800, 1600, 3200

[reef patrol]

Old man with 900 DPI reporting in.

[gusty kiln]

Lol

This 4 dpi are usually preloaded on most mice

[frozen ingot]

my dpi settings

[vivid vine]

Does have a DPI button

[finite jay]

Dpi button at the bottom

[gusty kiln]

Yeah

[vivid vine]

Thought it didn't for some reason

[frozen ingot]

I use the extra two side buttons on my g pro for dpi up/down

[gusty kiln]

Only the 4k one is seperate

[vivid vine]

4K seems to still have issues also

[gusty kiln]

Yeah 800 for everything for me

[frozen ingot]

I got 4 side buttons, I use the one on the "wrong" side for the dpi

800 is frustratingly slow for me, but we all have our preferences

[gusty kiln]

I'm like 25 cm/360

Usually 800 and 2 sense in csgo/tf2/apex

[vivid vine]

@gusty kiln me and you are the same

Drives my brother insane, he is a wrist aimer that plays at 1800

[gusty kiln]

Kek

I used to be a wrist aimer

[vivid vine]

But he also mains League and not FPS games so

[gusty kiln]

Ah

Depends on the game

[vivid vine]

turn down dpi then you have no choice

[gusty kiln]

Lower your sense in game a little at a time

Don't change dpi

Do it in game

Lower it like 10% a week, then another

[vivid vine]

Yea I try to explain that to people in my Discord

They all change DPI per game.. like wtf are you doing, change in game

[gusty kiln]

Like it might take a month to slowly adapt to half your current sensitivity

Sure

[vivid vine]

This Discord needs a #mouse_talk.. with how many discussions we all have around here about them

[gusty kiln]

And mousepads

Kekekekekek

That's another rabbit hole

[ashen spindle]

we'll get that once wooting finally manages to make their own mousepad lmao

[frozen ingot]

I redecorated my desk a bit, now I can actually use more than like a square 15cm of my mousepad

[gusty kiln]

I feel like wooting would make a cordura pad

There are a lot of more durable pads now

[ashen spindle]

nah they had working samples made with similar material as the wristrest, with friction like some Artisan pads

but that's quite a while ago and they had issue making it into production and now mostly busy with orders exploding lol

[gusty kiln]

I feel like that would be too fast of a jump

Think gsr-se rouge would be a good option

Hien is way faster and rougher than any logitech pad

[vivid vine]

Aqua Control+ lover here

[gusty kiln]

I have a clone of a ac2

From locuspad

[vivid vine]

I have MouseMods Sakura Ac+.. they teamed up with Xray then Xray came out with a Ac2 with a Sakura theme

[gusty kiln]

It's a good balanced pad to try before moving to slower/faster

Easier to get as well

Trying to get a hien is like waiting for the 60HE

Really? Where are you from?

Ahhhh ok

Hmmmmm

[vocal cipher]

amazon has hien right now?

I mean, it's not wooting level

[gusty kiln]

Idk, lots of people seems to avoid those and order direct or from lethal gaming gear

[vocal cipher]

I can see why, amazon is double the price it seems

nope, german

[gusty kiln]

Think EU would want to shop at maxgaming

[reef patrol]

Maxgaming is great for nordics. Or Proshop.

[vivid vine]

MaxGaming is dope.. I have ordered some things from there when LethalGaming was out of stock

[frozen ingot]

didn't know they shipped internationally

[reef patrol]

I mean Denmark historically always wanted to own the region... so sure.

Honorary scandinavians I spose'

[frozen ingot]

they want to be, we won't let them join

[vocal cipher]

I just got Fnatic Dash, so I will use it for a while

I guess it's more than enough for me

[vivid vine]

Looks like a similar surface to my Ac+

[vocal cipher]

I am just not so much OK with logitech g superlight

it's ok for Apex, but it hurts my hand on overwatch, I squeeze it too hard probably 😄

I need something more ergonomic

[gusty kiln]

DAVE

[vocal cipher]

I need sth like basilisk but lighter, model d has so many complaints

don't know what else there is

[vivid vine]

New Deathadder?

[vocal cipher]

Deathadder is the same, even though it looks ergo, it's not exactly

[frozen ingot]

gib new deathadder lefthand edition

[gusty kiln]

Xtrfy M4?

[frozen ingot]

bit surprised noones tried making a modular mouse yet, make a bottom plate with switches, sensor etc and have the top casing be swappable

[gusty kiln]

Probably creaks a lot

My g603 with just a removable top shell never feels solid

[vocal cipher]

is it good? I went with g pro superlight, because of optimal tech's latency test, and it seemed really good

[frozen ingot]

maybe, should technically be remediable though, most companies probably don't want to put in the R&D effort

[gusty kiln]

Unfortunately never tried it but seems like a good ergo that is not an EC clone from reviews

There's also the roccat kone pro air

[vivid vine]

Lol 20 years later still getting their shapes copied

Zowie must feel honored at this point

[gusty kiln]

Kek

Zowie wireless waiting room

[vivid vine]

When that day comes I will be first in line

[wheat plume]

https://youtu.be/cVWF3u-y-Zg

Raspberry Pi4 Compute Model on an IP KVM

[frozen ingot]

quite liking the new lockscreens

would have hoped for more customizing but its a start I guess

[wheat plume]

im surprised Apple are offering even this much customisation

[gusty kiln]

Do you get widgets on lock?

[frozen ingot]

a couple yeah, but its still a bit limited imo

I just added the weather and alarms one so far

[reef patrol]

These days it doesn't matter. Mouse just stops charging once it's "full" and switches to cable power.

[frozen ingot]

what the heck is this

go home apple, you're drunk

[crimson wigeon]

😂 👌

[frozen ingot]

like who in the kentucky fried fuck thought these emoji backgrounds were a good idea

[misty saffron]

https://youtu.be/a01joCdGQWU

ue5, apparently

very cool

the hair looks super nice

[reef patrol]

As long as they don't show faces, it's actually photo real.

Most of those short cuts with masks on or showing folks from behind or afar actually work.

Oh nevermind - It's a composite with real people and a standin.

[vocal cipher]

yeah, till I notice that, I was super amazed

[misty saffron]

i’m mostly impressed by how real the fake ones look

still slightly plastic-y but damn

[reef patrol]

moar subsurface scattering!

deep skin light go brrrr!

[misty saffron]

hair is spot on though

[ashen spindle]

funny how unity has the face a bit better in their super realistic trailer but unreal can do hairs much better

at least I think the hair here is less convincing, especially when it motion

[misty saffron]

why do they all think blue eyes look like they’re glowing?

[ashen spindle]

here take a shot in the dark then

guess I might as well link the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXYUNrgqWUU

not a full commercial thing like the other one though, don't think they are just that far yet

[misty saffron]

no but seriously

why has nobody thought the eyes are so terribly unconvincing

[ashen spindle]

I don't think they are that bad, they aren't really glowing aside from some frames so I didnt even notice it before

[misty saffron]

just too much saturation

[ashen spindle]

project is coming to github in a bit, go ahead and tweak it

[frozen ingot]

eyes are the hardest part, its extremely hard to make them look "alive" or sentient

[vocal cipher]

wtf, that's scary

[tropic nacelle]

always looks good when you have zero concern for computation requirements.

until the "old" consoles are retired (xbox one, ps4) no game will come close to utilising this even if PC only.

Be nice if we had another crysis game come out with modern tech, framerate be damned.

[reef patrol]

And my immediate question is - How much of this is just face caption with a good renderer on top?

Because if this is just an actress turned CGI replacement, it's not remotely as impressive as a generated face, animations based on patterns and so forth.

[cursive summit]

Dunno if you knew

[misty saffron]

well… the face animations look like shit

[cursive summit]

Crysis next is in development

[reef patrol]

Ultimately if it's just another L.A. Noire situation it isn't really impressive in my opinion 😄

[ashen spindle]

there is no face caption

[tropic nacelle]

I genuinely did not know, I thought crytek went to die after being bought out and then trying to sue star citizen (wrongly) haha

[cursive summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ_dmFUR2N8

But that's for #🎮│game

[ashen spindle]

they showed the making on GDC but I think thats another 4 months before that hits the public youtube

ah nvm it is

https://youtu.be/tz3dpl7FlH4?t=2984 timestamp for movement and animation

[reef patrol]

When we can generate characters based on AI and random values Bethesda style, as well as have believable animations I'm game.

[ashen spindle]

honestly the original crisis was good but a lot of the performance problems came from bad code not demanding graphics relatively

also imo whats likely to be more demanding than the new crisis will be ubisofts avatar game if that is keeping its schedule and supposed content

[tropic nacelle]

Oh of course there were optimisations they could have made ( several were in warhead) was still the best by far graphically and to me it was fun with the physics .

Avatar game is real?

Star citizen to me is still the closet thing to a graphically impressive game today but obviously not near launch haha

[vocal cipher]

Even what we have is enough proof for me to believe, every job will be gone in the next decades

[ashen spindle]

yeah they showed something from the avatar game at uhh e3 or something dont remember

[vocal cipher]

if the heat don't kill us all that is

[reef patrol]

The more I look at this the less I'm impressed. It's a leap certainly, but it isn't enough of a leap for me to care. What we have right now is believable but enters the uncanny valley - This also does, so it hasn't broken meaningful ground as I see it 😄

[ashen spindle]

well yeah its just a demo for running it real time for movies and such and then you apply post processing or for easier use in AA games

its not supposed to top unreal meta humans

they would like to but they know it doesnt

[reef patrol]

I'm comparing games to games though 😄

[ashen spindle]

well its not used in any game yet xD

[reef patrol]

Demos tend to get worse in practice, not better 😄

[ashen spindle]

sure but again, first implementation of rendering it real time, it's obviously not instantly perfect

[reef patrol]

Just saying it hasn't broken ground that makes me shiver in my pants - It doesn't look noticeably better to me than a well lit scene from something like Cyberpunk 2077.

[ashen spindle]

but now you can improve it and all, no need to do motion capture or so for not too complicated scenes anymore if you master this

[cursive summit]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/88439/intel-ceo-admits-yeah-well-exit-other-businesses-in-the-future/index.html

[vagrant pagoda]

exiting datacenters?

oof

[ashen spindle]

no nothing like that

[cursive summit]

I really really really doubt they will exit datacenters

[ashen spindle]

just that if something like optane comes again and isnt worth it they axe it

[cursive summit]

That's like, money printing

[ashen spindle]

basically a waste of article that says a big company might stop projects that are not making money

[cursive summit]

cough cough Noah's Ark

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean amd buying xilinx and nvidia getting melenox put a lot of hurt on intel on the enterprise side

[ashen spindle]

which is why they will not axe gpus or data center

[cursive summit]

That xilinx deal is pretty nutty

[vagrant pagoda]

so is melenox

[ashen spindle]

intel had altera and didnt do much with it

[vagrant pagoda]

they both have amazing engineering teams

[cursive summit]

I don't recall what melanox does though

[vagrant pagoda]

that do wonders

[vagrant pagoda]

networking

[cursive summit]

Is melanox related to datacenters?

[vagrant pagoda]

high end networking

[cursive summit]

Ah, networking

So, kinda datacenters

[vagrant pagoda]

like 10-100 gig

and higher

[cursive summit]

Intel's big on networking though

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah

[cursive summit]

They make Wifi cards, thunderbolt stuff

[vagrant pagoda]

intel was the standard for nics

until melenox

came out at 1/4 of the price, and better drivers/hardware

but the big thing is

intel dose a ton of asic stuff

and melenox and xlinix are the largest competetors in that market

both have dedicated products for networking gear

xlinix's newest hmb2 equipped fpgas are designed for 1Tbit+ networking

[cursive summit]

Is melanox the owner of that thing I had in my laptop, Killer Wireless?

I had some sort of weird Killer branded networking card

Never heard of that brand ever since

[ashen spindle]

intel bought that

[cursive summit]

How to do business 101: buy the competition

Intel just really wants to have offerings on every single component that makes up a computer of any kind

[ashen spindle]

not really competition when they do something you didnt do

[cursive summit]

To my knowledge, they don't do displays though

Or not currently

Ah so I guess Intel networking is derived from Killer

[misty saffron]

https://www.macrumors.com/2022/09/15/iphone-14-dual-ambient-light-sensors/

Panzarino said the sensor helps to both adjust display brightness and determine exposure for the rear camera system.

can't flash be brightness adjusted on the new ones?

[cursive summit]

Innovative tech

[misty saffron]

i'd assume that's what it's for

[astral haven]

They should be able to be on all of them?

[misty saffron]

maybe it's just a couple of levels

the new ones iirc use the appropriate brightness to not flood the picture with light

[astral haven]

Doesn't require a separate light sensor

[misty saffron]

just how adjusting display brightness and exposure doesn't

[astral haven]

Display brightness and color is better with an als since it's alot less processing power

But if you are already taking a picture, use the camera sensor...

[wheat plume]

I want this as a door mat

[vagrant pagoda]

Killer wireless is just wank

The og killer nics hard a arm soc onboard in addition to the nic

And it ran Linux and could be accessed via the drive

It ran a firewall on there that did qs without taking any system resources

They also had a FTP and BitTorrent client for downloading

[astral haven]

Killer is a software company
The base units can be Intel or realtek

[reef patrol]

Sure sounds like their own mixture and not an off the shelf NIC from either of those.

Though admittedly I don't remember ever seeing one with USB, they tend to be embedded into the motherboard itself.

[ashen spindle]

wow look guys, next gen gpus are out!

[misty saffron]

asrock makes gpus now?

[ashen spindle]

they were amd exclusive till intel arc

[stark bobcat]

lol 180€ is a bit much for that

[ashen spindle]

its the exact same price it had on chinese launch

[stark bobcat]

I said the same thing about that

[cursive summit]

190 for that trash??

That's like, how much a GTX 1060 6GB would cost on a good day back then

Can someone argument, why would anyone get one?

[ashen spindle]

because its better than a 1060 when it works?

[cursive summit]

I can also buy right now a 1080Ti for 200$

How's that A380 a good deal?

I mean, it's not, let's be real

[ashen spindle]

in what world are you getting them for 200

[cursive summit]

But why is it 189, what does it offer to anyone to the point where I'd rather get an Arc over a 1080Ti

[cursive summit]

Local listings

I mean still

Why would I buy Arc

A generation of cards that are causing ruckus by being terribly unoptimized in games and just buggy as hell

It's terrific value

[ashen spindle]

any new card that is better costs more

used cards have other issues, that's always been the case that you can get them for cheaper if you are fine with no warranty and all

[cursive summit]

Specifically, why would I buy Arc

[ashen spindle]

and again, since first reviews that is the price, that's not news

[cursive summit]

Honestly if they don't drop like 40% in price

I don't see them being even considerable

[pale sigil]

Omg everything about iOS status bar is so ugly

Were apple high

[tropic nacelle]

You wouldn't even if it's competitive on price.

It's launched a year too early at least, drivers are abysmal which if you are expecting an experience like you have with AMD or Nvidia you will really disappointed when it isn't close.

[pale sigil]

Idk why but the icon sizes are triggering me so much

[ashen spindle]

https://videocardz.com/newz/galax-new-serious-gaming-graphics-card-with-four-fans-has-been-leaked

finally a serious card for my serious gaming needs

as we all know every other card only works for non serious gaming

[misty saffron]

i wonder if they have fixed their fans sounding like vacuum cleaners since 2000 series

[tropic nacelle]

They should call it the Galax Try Hard .

What weird marketing, you wouldn't use this for eSports so "serious" gaming is a strange angle as gaming is just gaming!

Also 4 fans, that design seems just unnecessarily wasteful for no gains, I expect to be underwhelmed when it launches and has average cooling at best.

[ashen spindle]

its not a new thing they did it in the past and iirc it's better than regular 3 fans by a bit

which makes sense since it moves more air

[misty saffron]

4 vacuum cleaners instead of 3

splendid

[tropic nacelle]

I mean push pull on CPU coolers didn't usually make a massive difference, couple of degrees and this is even smaller in the section that the extra fan covers

[ashen spindle]

yeah but cpus also have like 1/4 of the powerdraw

[tropic nacelle]

Now they do, how tiems have changed! Get the old FX heater out xD.

[ashen spindle]

even those have like barely half the powerdraw at best

220w tdp for top cpu there, 450 or whatever for this gpu

[tropic nacelle]

True just more the fact it is only a second fan on a small portion of a big heatsink was my main point really.

I guess another board partner is no bad thing competition wise though, will see in a couple of months if it makes a real difference.

[ashen spindle]

its not a new board partner either...

and they cant really put more fans on the backside since thats the only area where it hangs over the pcb

[tropic nacelle]

Oh when did Galax enter the fray? Must have missed them entering the market. Shame then, guess no difference then haha.

Yeah I know they can't do push pull over all of it but that is why I'd doubt the effectiveness of it because it is only a small part relative to the whole heatsink.

[ashen spindle]

palit is the biggest gpu vendor and galax is a subdivison, known for hall of fame cards for ages

[vocal cipher]

serious series - serious consecutive punches

https://tenor.com/view/angry-power-mad-punch-evil-look-gif-15334054

[tropic nacelle]

Oof, didn't realise it was a sub of palit.

I have had a few palit cards over the years without issue, guess they wanted a different name for a different market audience.

[cursive summit]

https://www.techpowerup.com/298883/amd-ryzen-9-7950x-boosts-to-5-85-ghz-only-if-you-can-keep-it-under-50-c

[ashen spindle]

ok thats not new

zen3 was the same, you get it cooler it boosts higher

the 5.85 is not even advertised by amd

[tropic nacelle]

People have short term memory :).

The way Ryzen boosts will do it based on heat and max power limit.

It's also why AMD got flak for the early ryzens as their boost speeds were quite optimistic so they missed by a hundred MHz in a lot of cases at the time and decided to be more conservative on their boost speeds from then on.

Must be slow news day for them

[ashen spindle]

no its just the usual regurgitation of bad articles from wcctrash

[tropic nacelle]

I'm surprised anyone still reads them, it is more accurate to just read Reddit posts and assume they are all truthful haha.

It's such a low bar for "journalism" and they just copy Reddit posts for the most part or just make it up.

[pale sigil]

@shadow minnow my friend is returning his 14 pro

[shadow minnow]

Why?

[ashen spindle]

He regained his common sense?

[crisp granite]

But why?

The 14” pro is a monster

(Typed on my 14” pro)

Besides…what would I play RE8 on? My PC???

Fuck that, I got a macbook

[pale sigil]

Because it's overpriced poop and iOS is poop

[crisp granite]

but mac uses MacOS

and tbh MacBooks this go around actually deserve the asking price

More than tbh

Also

Pleasant

u r overpriced poop

[shadow minnow]

Then why would he buy it? Also how is it overpriced compared to other flagships?

But I do agree new iOS is too similar to android now

[ashen spindle]

14 pro is the iPhone not the MacBook here

[crisp granite]

Oh

Totally understand then

The pro model is completely lost on me apart from gatekeeping the delicious A16 to the pro and the base models having the A15

[cursive summit]

14 pro?

The iphone?

iPhones are shite

[shadow minnow]

It’s not in blue

So it’s completely lost on me too

[crisp granite]

ew

[final flame]

lol purple phone

[shadow minnow]

Stop pls

[crisp granite]

Why can’t my MBP come in blue?

Why can’t my entire existence come in blue?

[cursive summit]

I had the... experience of trying out their iPads

Why is the form factor so damn bad

[crisp granite]

iPads aren’t bad

[cursive summit]

It's a square

Why is the thing a square

[crisp granite]

I got an air 4th gen

Came in blue

Enough said

[final flame]

4:3 is standard for art

[shadow minnow]

Indeed

And iPad is used a lot by artists

[cursive summit]

Idk man I didn't like the size or shape of it

Maybe the 10.9" model which iirc is the biggest one? Might be better

[shadow minnow]

I myself know artists who use it and like it

[reef patrol]

Because you're not blue, dabadee dabadai

[crisp granite]

It was also plenty powerful, solid battery, the entire thing just impressed me as far as tablets go

[cursive summit]

Thought you were talking about the S8 Ultra for a second.

[crisp granite]

Having only used android tablets up to that point, I kinda hated tablets as a whole

And I still do

But now less so because I’ve used a good one

[shadow minnow]

Their only complaint tends to be lack of support of macOS apps

[cursive summit]

What was your last android tablet

[shadow minnow]

Indeed

Especially since it has mini led

[crisp granite]

Some ancient Samsung tablet from forever ago

That I used forever ago

[cursive summit]

That means nothing

[crisp granite]

M1 iPad go brrrrrrr

Also need I mention being able to use iOS and iPadOS apps on my MacBook is dope?

[shadow minnow]

Still no Java Minecraft

Most of them

[crisp granite]

[cursive summit]

I like how I bought my S8 Ultra for content consumption

But my wife stole it cause she wanted a second screen

And that thing has a second screen mode

So I can't use it, at all

[shadow minnow]

Well not really, mini led laptop made it really hard for me to use normal LCD screens now.

[final flame]

12.9 inch iPad pro is the largest

that's what I currently own and it's quite nice for design and such

[shadow minnow]

Just if you could use the apple pen to switch apps

[crisp granite]

Maximum stock cooler

For when you could spend the money on a noctua NH-D15 like a normal person

But “you’re quirky”

[final flame]

Intel made a massive stock cooler designed for their more powerful models a while ago

it was bad as a cooler if I remember correctly

[crisp granite]

Not like AMD when they included an AIO with some of their CPUs

[final flame]

the thing was this wasn't a "stock" cooler you had to buy it separately

[shadow minnow]

Stock coolers are often e waste

[ashen spindle]

not really

[final flame]

https://youtu.be/UPdpS_6ln-o

here it is

[ashen spindle]

DIY is a small market relatively to OEMs and the stock coolers are used a lot there

and for DIY it still works on anything not high end

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean amds og phenom heat pipe cooler was legit good

Like people adapted them to Intel cpus because they were one of the best compact coolers.

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but OEMs tend to source things differently

[ashen spindle]

they can but unless its a boutique like maingear they just use the stock cooler that comes with it

[shadow minnow]

Well yes but I think it’s nice for dyi to have option not to have stock cooler

[pale sigil]

Because it is? Even compared to a Samsung which is overpriced af

Samsung are just the apple or android

[shadow minnow]

Isn’t it cheaper than Samsung flagship?

And the fact that the price didn’t increase last 3 years

Actually went down

[ashen spindle]

..you know you can buy them diy without a cooler... for as long as I've been into pc building...

[shadow minnow]

Yes and that’s good

But I am not sure if some non k Intel CPUs don’t always come with a cooler

But maybe not

[ashen spindle]

you can buy them without a cooler...

[shadow minnow]

Sounds good then

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah Newegg has sold oem cpus for as long as I have done pcs

Like core 2 duo times

That's how they became popular

[ashen spindle]

ya

[vagrant pagoda]

Bulk priced cpus and hdds

[shadow minnow]

Oem stuff not so often sold where I live, but well it’s a small country

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean technically big retailers do international shipping but that can kill the price savings

[cursive summit]

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-x670e-motherboards-listed-with-sub-dollar300-price-tag

[reef patrol]

sub 300$

You better be grateful you plebs!

[ashen spindle]

almost like that too was said on the amd zen4 event day...

headlines just get worse and worse

[reef patrol]

I'll uhh.. I'll just wait for the B series xD

[ashen spindle]

oh yea definitely

[reef patrol]

I think my Velocita was priced at ... just under 200€ on release? Hasn't failed so far. Not a fan of the racing theme though 😄

[ashen spindle]

125 lowest for B series so similar amount should get a velocita or equal product again

[reef patrol]

Not really in a rush though. I'll probably do a full upgrade again a few years from now, since I need waterblocks etc.. as well.

Definitely won't be buying another 3080 at scalper level prices though.

[ashen spindle]

if you have a cpu block you can use that one

[reef patrol]

In theory - But knowing myself I'll probably break it when taking it out 😄

Dang plexi

[shadow minnow]

Plexi is nice but full nickel is nicer

[reef patrol]

I've grown paranoid about growths and blockages in my loop.

[vagrant pagoda]

I mean x670 normal will be cheaper

[reef patrol]

Cause a full block caused my loop to completely break down back in ... December?

[vagrant pagoda]

No one needs pcie 5 everywhere now

[reef patrol]

Took it apart, flushed everything and scrubbed shit out of it at like 2AM, and then convinced EKWB to replace -everything-

Which took like a month. A month of using a 1660TI.

[vagrant pagoda]

I doubt rtx 4xxx will benefit from it

[vagrant pagoda]

I only use nickel plated and real industrial coolant.

I have a 5 year old loop that is as clear as the day it went in.

[reef patrol]

Aesthetics first, yo.

If it don't look pretty, it don't be good.

[shadow minnow]

That’s why full nickel plated is the way

[reef patrol]

Can't see blocks easy in those. Gotta have dat window.

[vagrant pagoda]

Lol

Black on black is my style

Black blocks, black fittings and zmt

[reef patrol]

https://imgur.com/a/RmpkiPZ

It was a long fucking night 😄

[tropic nacelle]

The trick here is to not use any ek fluid it's garbage.

Stick to clear fluids and live a low maintenance life :).

Mayhem's xt1 can't go wrong for ages or go distilled and inhibitor.

Even the mayhem's pastel series worked well for me surprisingly but I would still recommend sticking to clear fluids just to minimise it entirely.

[reef patrol]

Eh. The trick is to not use solids.

[ashen spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV9QES-FUAM

[cursive summit]

Huh

Doesn't EVGA also make the best overclocked GPUs?

And EVGA was the go-to best Nvidia GPU AIB maker for a while now?

So if they transition to AMD, maybe

Sapphire will have a run for its money

[true quest]

unfortunate

[reef patrol]

Yeah EVGA's Kingpin are usually those over the top super cherry picked dies for extreme OC and prices.

[ashen spindle]

if you'd watch a bit of the video you'd know more 😛

[cursive summit]

Eh I suppose I have to

30 MINS

Fuckin investigative journalism

Doesn't give me a TL;DR

[shadow minnow]

[ashen spindle]

didnt say you have to watch it all to get the info...

[royal oar]

Kind of a hard blow for team green, EVGA is a popular brand that makes pretty decent stuff

[ashen spindle]

dont think its a blow to nvidia

they are constantly working towards selling as much as they can themselves

[royal oar]

They are, but FE cards still have the reputation of being kinda garbage compared to third parties. They aren't even cheaper usually

[reef patrol]

Yeah they could make their own Extreme OC line of cards overnight if they wanted to. The only real loss is the built up brand awareness of Kingpin I spose.

They won't win enthusiasts overnight - maybe if they ship out free 4090s to them 😄

[ashen spindle]

oh the only reason they are similar in price is so nvidia makes more money because they limit how expensive partners can make their cards

[astral haven]

Still have hof :/

Matrix, lightning, and now kingpin

Hof is all that is left

[ashen spindle]

also

[fair gull]

wot

[frozen ingot]

while I much prefer nvidia cards there's no denying their company ethics are atrocious

[ashen spindle]

https://twitter.com/Snydd3r/status/1570856833723830277 it is impressive how small the brain of some people is

Snydder (@Snydd3r)

@GamersNexus don't care, EVGA also disrespected me, sending me a broken card 3 times in a row under warranty.

Twitter · Sep 16, 2022, 7:27 PM

[timid chasm]

This makes me sad. I love EVGA's card*

[thick elk]

I think it makes sense from a business perspective, Nvidia definitely is not backing down from its founders editions, so it may just be a matter of time before the other board partners are gone.
Economically, after the huge crypto boom, this may be a good moment to make the transition.

It may very well expand it's mobo business now that they have more pcb designers to spare

or psu business for that matter.

[reef patrol]

EVGA had a rough 3000 gen.

I remember seeing card after card being RMA'ed because they fucked up the IC for watercooling.

EKWB actually get them to RMA a ton of cards that died after putting waterblocks on them, cause the dimensions didn't fit what they were shown (I believe)

[ashen spindle]

yup and then most 3090 that died during new world were evga, though the issue was on nvidias end

[final flame]

then again integrated water blocks was a new thing this generation

[reef patrol]

Right! fuck - I completely forgot NewWorldGate 😄

[ashen spindle]

then take into account that nvidia approves all the designs and limits you in what you can do, it's likely part of the reason why they said fuck it

[reef patrol]

Eh... we've had those for a while. MSI always does an EK pre-blocked card.

[timid chasm]

I have no experience with their 30 cards but I know they were killer about replacing out of warranty cards for me lol

[thick elk]

Powercolor has done pre blocked cards for some time as well

Though the 5700xt one was somewhat questionable from a business sense

[ashen spindle]

wonder if the gpu people just go to other brands or if there will be a new vendor coming out of this or if a smaller one becomes larger

and if they do split of, will it be an AMD and intel one or exclusive to either one

[final flame]

zotac starts getting larger

I could see that happening

[astral haven]

Evga was the only brand that officially allowed replacing water-cooled cards as long as you put back on the original cooler...

[ashen spindle]

I guess there is two sorts of growths, one by getting more nvidia cards one by getting the evga people, and I doubt they would go to another nvidia only partner like zotac

[final flame]

the thing is custom loop cooling is a small part of PC owners

the majority of people just use the stock cooler on the card

[astral haven]

It was still just a solid move from them to warranty cards that had even just been repasted too

[ashen spindle]

well if any of the other AiBs is smart enough to listen to the timeline maybe they can tell ceos to make some changes to cash in on big market share

man that was a good one from me, getting the aibs to change something

[chrome estuary]

Dear God... A GT 9800 hydrocopper

[astral haven]

9800gx2

[ashen spindle]

I dont think they will ever do that unless AMD is absolutely beating them otherwise

doesnt fit the image I think jensen wants to have

[vagrant pagoda]

Yeah the founders card thing has always been sketchy

When sapphire was making ATI/and reference cards they were more than normal cards lol

Same for PNY and Nvidia pre founders

[ashen spindle]

summarizes the issues best I think btw

[cursive summit]

I did notice those repeated twice

Are there like, multiple models of FTW3?

[ashen spindle]

yes

in fact if you look at the other image in the video, that I posted earlier it even shows that model

[thick elk]

Also some reports about Zotac and Sapphire having the same parent company seems to be false.
While I don't doubt a historical link to both being in Hong Kong, I have seen no evidence of them being part of the same company now.
It would make very little sense for them to have vastly different cooler designs anyway.
And yes I did find PC Partner selling their 5% stake in "Sapphire Global Holdings Limited" back in 2018.
Yay for pointless research being shared no further than a single discord post.

[ashen spindle]

would be weird since they are locked into opposite gpu partners so that would be weird but fun facts are always neat

[cursive summit]

"fun facts are always neat"

Like those old rumours Huang and Su are related

[fair gull]

ok fun fact ure still all using AIB wrong

[cursive summit]

Which iirc were disproven

[thick elk]

It would make sense if they are subbrands of the same company though. Just the other things don't add up completely different support channels, cooler designs, not being listed as a subsidiary of pc partner.

[ashen spindle]

I'm pretty sure that would still be going against exclusivity contracts if they are subsidiaries of the same parent

even if amd would be fine no way jensen would agree to that

[thick elk]

Exclusive does not always mean exclusivity contract, though. but yea.
I also don't think AMD would be fine with it either.

Asrock for example is not touching nvidia gpu's and was AMD exclusive until intel dumped it's gpu's on the market.

[ashen spindle]

well yeah they stopped being exclusive, but thats different since zotac has been exclusive for a a long time while saphire was also exclusive

[thick elk]

I don't know the exact history but pc partner may have been the owner of both sapphire and zotac when zotac first came on the market, just not atm

[ashen spindle]

I guess nvidia at least made sure people are definitely not caring about AMD till they release rdna3

[thick elk]

It's pretty hard to compete with the current mining bust flooding nvidia cards onto the market

Also I am pretty sure nvidia is going to be content selling less 4000 series card until they clear their backlog. Unless amd is going agressive on pricing I don't expect a great gpu launch

[ashen spindle]

oh I dont think they are going to sell less lol

[reef patrol]

feWEr

[ashen spindle]

less of their stock

cards you would be right, but they aren't selling cards aside from FE models and its about allocation/%amount what they have stocked up

[thick elk]

It could be a similar situation to their initial 2000 series release

Bigger uplift but even bigger price hike

Or rather the hike we already had for a large part

[ashen spindle]

oh its a massive uplift in performance

so even if its similar or somewhat hiked its not as bad of a value as 20gen was

[thick elk]

Still I expect in the current economic conditions that the willingness of people to pay more may be more limited

[ashen spindle]

somewhat, but I would say most people who can afford a 4090 before can still do so now

[empty wren]

this is what the stimulus checks are for

[ashen spindle]

so they just allocate more high end at first

also who knows what aside from raw performance they are advertising this time

[thick elk]

Either way for my next gpu its going to be amd pretty much, unless intel pulls some rabbit out of its hat which I doubt.
Because fuck using nvidia on linux.

[ashen spindle]

feel like nvidia should be a must for linux

just sounds right that you opt for more self-torture

[thick elk]

Thats why we have Intel, supports open source > still self torture

[empty wren]

[ashen spindle]

not sure I'd classify that as "support" when it's more like "absolutely relies upon"

ok thats a good one https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1570883638438379522

VideoCardz.com (@VideoCardz)

NVIDIA: GeForce Beyond
EVGA: Beyond GeForce

Twitter · Sep 16, 2022, 9:13 PM

[thick elk]

Indeed

[frozen ingot]

rip evga

it was nice while it lasted

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean the gpu profit is less than a quarter of their total profits

so i doubt its going to hurt that bad

[wheat plume]

How do I know if my mouse is optical or not?

[vagrant pagoda]

i saw this comming when they made amd motherboards

[ashen spindle]

profit no, revenue yes

[ashen spindle]

and as steve said in the video, its in big parts about having staff employed and you cant move the around, you dont need profit just enough revenue to keep them

I dont think evga is going to die, hell psu sales are going to boom

[thick elk]

I am also not sure it always holds, gpu's are very volitile profits wise.
2020 and 2021 may have had a large profit share from gpus wheras 2022 was a big fail on that department.

[ashen spindle]

but I dont see them expanding or coming back to the size any time soon

[thick elk]

I also think their motherboard sales are going to grow, they make very few models now, and if they are not firing, I am pretty sure that gpu designing skills do carry over to motherboards for a large part.

[ashen spindle]

if they can scale it up enough sure

[astral haven]

But also their boards have been expeeeeensive

They did not sell very many of them...

[ashen spindle]

then again would it make financial sense to pivot to it so they can enter the entry and medium space?

[thick elk]

If they don't they probably have to step away from it entirely, as I am pretty sure without the gpu business the motherboards they sell now are sustainable

I am pretty sure there is a lot of overlap between people designing already

[astral haven]

Yea
But they will be losing alot of engineers in the downsizing...

[ashen spindle]

you dont need high skilled engineers to make entry level boards if you already have them for making high end boards

[astral haven]

It's a different skillset

[vagrant pagoda]

or move them to motherboards/sound cards

[astral haven]

They are already confirmed to be downsizing...

[vagrant pagoda]

the gpu techical team is small

[astral haven]

It's not about if it's by how much

[thick elk]

Motherboards is different in terms of skill but there is a lot of overlap

[vagrant pagoda]

its the support/logistics that will suffer

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

Maybe you consider a team somewhere between 10 and 100 to be small, but that's aloooot of engineering brainpower

[vagrant pagoda]

no way a company with 200 employees has a 100 man engineering team lol

[astral haven]

We don't know how many employees evga has

[vagrant pagoda]

the support, logistics and management for gpu sales is most of that

[ashen spindle]

you can probably find how many NA workers they have but I doubt you can find how many they have in taiwan for example

[astral haven]

And of that, are they contracted for their support staff?

[vagrant pagoda]

but anyway evga is tiny compared to asus/gigabtye/asrock

[astral haven]

Not by number of GPUs sold

[vagrant pagoda]

yes

[astral haven]

Also gotta remember, evga made several founders editions

[vagrant pagoda]

but only evga had that large of a part of the company dedicated to it

[astral haven]

Evga sold the most GPUs by number of any company for at least 10 years

[vagrant pagoda]

gig and asus focus on complete pcs

[astral haven]

Evga makes pcbs for the big vendors too...

[vagrant pagoda]

and asrock dose industrial first, comsumer second

[ashen spindle]

as a company they are smaller, their gpu section likely isn't

[vagrant pagoda]

evga dosent make pcbs

[astral haven]

Then why do some Lenovo GPUs have EVGA manufacturer codes?

[vagrant pagoda]

they can sell pcbs

they dont make pcbs

[astral haven]

🤷 by that definition noone makes pcbs

[vagrant pagoda]

asus is the only one i know owns a pcb production line

asus makes all of asrocks pcbs too

always have

[astral haven]

Asus assembles pcbs

They don't make them

[vagrant pagoda]

asus makes motherboard pcbs inhouse

[astral haven]

EVGA also owns a facility that assembles pcbs

[vagrant pagoda]

yes they do pick and place

but not pcbs

[thick elk]

Someone was making fast wikipedia edits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EVGA_Corporation#cite_note-EVGALeavesNV-2

[vagrant pagoda]

smt line is much cheaper than pcbs

[astral haven]

🤷 that is a minor distinction

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah but its the correct

you can do gpu level smt in a garage

[thick elk]

It's also completely misleading and missing the point

[astral haven]

Thus

[vagrant pagoda]

to do multilayer pcbs on a montherboard level needs a massive facility

[thick elk]

no company makes pretty much anything from scratch

[astral haven]

EVGA makes all the profit for the GPU basically

For many many OEM gpus

[frozen ingot]

idk man circuit boards are pretty cheap these days

[astral haven]

Sure alot of the GPUs are assembled from many parts
But many reference cards and quadros and etc are assembled using coolermaster coolers and EVGA boards

[frozen ingot]

the parts you populate it with is where the real cost is

[vagrant pagoda]

depends wildly on the quality and features

[astral haven]

And EVGA does the bios programming for them so they must also have the QC process

[astral haven]

Pcbs re getting very very cheap for fiberglass
And ceramic is basically dead

[frozen ingot]

of course, but in most cases the parts exceed that cost by far, particularly for things like motherboards or graphics cards

[vagrant pagoda]

yeah unless you want 6+oz 12 layer

[astral haven]

You'd be surprised

The cost of the PCB is less than a single vrm controller
And there are often 3 vrm controllers...

[frozen ingot]

had a lot of boards manufactured in china for a past business, the boards were pretty much the least concern cost-wise for most of our products

[vagrant pagoda]

not for a montherboard lol

[frozen ingot]

its pretty insane how cheap these chinese factories can shit out boards nowadays

[astral haven]

[citation needed]

[vagrant pagoda]

i mean pcb way cant do mobos

[astral haven]

Pcbway doesn't charge that much for them...

[vagrant pagoda]

5 mill spacing is only 1oz copper

[astral haven]

And they are getting them from foxconn who is able to make boards for insanely low prices

[vagrant pagoda]

they arent cheap

is all im saying

a highend board is likely 30-50 bucks for a raw pcb for pcie 4.0

pcie 5 is likely double

if you wanted a single unit

[astral haven]

Perhaps in unit quantities of 1 lmao

[vagrant pagoda]

it would be 100s of dollers

[astral haven]

And double is very incorrect

It's very much not

[vagrant pagoda]

pcb way for specs minus the copper is 400 a unit

[astral haven]

Look
There is some info that falls off of the back of trucks sometimes
And I can tell you that there are pcie 4 boards that have the listed bom for the PCB in single digit dollars...

You would be very shocked what these manufacturers pay...

[frozen ingot]

multilayer pcbs isn't exactly rocket science these days

[vagrant pagoda]

with 5mill and smaller traces they are

[frozen ingot]

pretty much all factories can do 4 layer, a lot can do more

[astral haven]

I was not at all joking about vrm controllers being more expensive

[astral haven]

Again you'd be surprised

You don't actually need insanely tiny traces either on all layers

[reef patrol]

Holy shit - EVGA signed off on about 80% of their total income by writing off GPUs. 20% or so responsible for PSUs (which have a much higher profit margin). Quite a big gamble.

[thick elk]

https://www.jonpeddie.com/images/uploads/EVGA_NV_006.png
Seems like a good enough reason

https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/evga-wont-offer-nvidia-next-gen-series

[ashen spindle]

Think it was mentioned Psu margin is 300% of gpus margin, then take into account they currently have to sell at a loss aswell

[pale sigil]

I love evga

[cursive summit]

Damn Linus is kinda salty nowadays

Was it Gamers Nexus who did all the in-depth reporting on the EVGA thing?

They actually talked to the board and got all the numbers

Well Linus is running a story and he conveniently doesn't mention GN or Steve once

[pale sigil]

Linus is like

[cursive summit]

I see that Steve complaining about the warranty is still living rent free in Linus's head

[pale sigil]

Becoming that guy

Kinda irritating tbh

[cursive summit]

Linus never addressed the second GN video either

[stark bobcat]

Money does that to people I guess

[cursive summit]

Where they called him out for his antics

If anything he never watched the first one either

[reef patrol]

Or he got told off by his marketing people to stop going into it, to avoid another meltdown 😄

[cursive summit]

"Companies aren't your friends"

• Linus Sebastian

"I want to be a company"

• Linus Sebastian

"Just trust me bro"

• Linus Sebastian

[pale sigil]

Also Linus, doesn't provide a warranty for stupid reasons till there's backlash

[cursive summit]

Somewhere in there Linus completely lost the plot

[pale sigil]

Haha

His new house give him them rich man feels

[cursive summit]

Idk why he thinks people want to watch his mansion being renovated as content

[reef patrol]

Because they do.

Those videos are super popular.

For better or worse he's achieved that fanbase where they will basically lap up anything to know more about their "idols"

[pale sigil]

It's kinda cool to see ngl

Or well the home theatre was

[stark bobcat]

I despise those videos

[vivid vine]

It will save me money in the long run when I go to upgrade my house to a smart house so some of the episodes apply to ppl

[stark bobcat]

They bore me to death

[pale sigil]

Linus showed his true colours during that move though

[vivid vine]

Not many ppl covering smart home tech, its honestly a mess of a market and some of the videos have helped weed out the shit products

[pale sigil]

He's a Karen

[reef patrol]

I like them cause they're more real world scenarios than "we're setting up that new 70" 20.000$ television in our studio set and pretending it's a believable scenario"

[stark bobcat]

Those are also videos I avoid because they are just as boring

[ashen spindle]

you know that GN is just ONE of the parties that were at EVGA? that wasn't an exclusive from them

[reef patrol]

Also why I like his Intel 5k upgrade videos for staff. Cause a lot of them live completely different to the studio sets.

[stark bobcat]

This whole thing reminds me of how boring I find most ltt videos nowadays

[vivid vine]

I find most of all the tech youtubers boring

I watch them but the more I do, the less I care

[stark bobcat]

I mean gn is "boring" but more because it's dry but I like that, just numbers

[pale sigil]

I only watch the odd ltt videos but I do love the Intel upgrades

[stark bobcat]

Ltt is boring cuz it's stale

[pale sigil]

Especially when you see wootings in the wild

[vivid vine]

For some reason I have been finding myself watching more of Ludwig

[stark bobcat]

The who in the what now

[reef patrol]

Personally I enjoy the "real" videos a lot more than his other stuff at this point - He did a weird bunker/prepper PC recently that I couldn't stand watching and had to skip through.

[stark bobcat]

I watch the superior chess casual

Northernlion

[reef patrol]

Genuinely had to unsub from Northern. I just don't enjoy his new content. Bring back Paradox reeee 😄

[stark bobcat]

I prefer the videos like the $69 gaming pc

[reef patrol]

For sure.

[stark bobcat]

Or the stuff back in the day where they built a pc with old xeons

[reef patrol]

You gotta love how Plouf? has gone from "ugh... why do I have to install keycaps" in the old and infamous ShortCircuit video to a full on keeb enthusiast weeb paying 900 bucks for boards or more 😄

[vivid vine]

That board was insane price

I enjoy watching Glarses reacting to Keyboard tiktoks

[stark bobcat]

I think the banter has only gotten better like I don't care for super auto pets but I just enjoy the things he says

About media and life

I miss the old glarses

[vivid vine]

You guys just don't like change in here do you

He was funnier back in the day, but I still enjoy his content

[stark bobcat]

Depends sometimes change is good

[stark bobcat]

Exactly I don't really find him all that funny anymore

[vivid vine]

Yea that is very truth but the TikTok reacts kill me

When he looks at some dumb vid getting like 5mill likes you can see his soul leave his body

[stark bobcat]

Like food poisoning arc was so frickin good especially considering what he said about food poisoning before

[ashen spindle]

ok so I open the wan show vod to see who they reference for the EVGA thing, not even 5 seconds in he says how he was chatting with Jay the day before and was told to wait for big video from him, clearly linus hates GN now.... /s

[cursive summit]

Who's Jay

[vivid vine]

JayzTwoCents

[stark bobcat]

Jays 2cents

[cursive summit]

Did Jayz2cents get all the exact information GN reported?

[reef patrol]

I genuinely haven't watched Jay since he had a complete meltdown on Twitter years ago.

[stark bobcat]

Most boring tech tuber of them all

Worse than Austin

[ashen spindle]

oh yeah I think jay is an idiot but he still had the same info as he was one of the people that talked to the ceo

[ashen spindle]

even GN mentioned other people being there and even mention JP from JPR by name...

does linus hate JPR now too? what a weird way to find drama when there is none

[cursive summit]

Tf is JP and JPR

[ashen spindle]

jon peddie research

[cursive summit]

What

I have never heard of that one before

[ashen spindle]

https://www.jonpeddie.com/news/evga-wont-offer-nvidia-next-gen-series

[cursive summit]

Are they youtubers or bloggers?

Or just a company with a website

[vivid vine]

@cursive summit Jay doesn't go into all the details and get into drama and stuff, he kidna just gives you ABC and thats it. Like @stark bobcat he is the most bland of the big names

[ashen spindle]

as the name says its a tech research/consulting things

[vivid vine]

I like Jay because he is a big custom cooling guy like myself soo

[cursive summit]

That's why I severely doubt that Jay actually asked questions like "How much of your cash revenue is GPUs"

Like, I doubt Jayz actually is competent enough

[ashen spindle]

because it would also be redundant since they are all in the same room...

[cursive summit]

Oh it was a joint meeting not a one-on-one?

[vivid vine]

That is assuming alot, I would say he is more than capable but he is just staying in his lane. Like you wanted Linus to do

[ashen spindle]

again, was stated in the GN video...

[ashen spindle]

nah I think he is an idiot that goes out of his lane, I remember a somewhat recent memory OC video coming out where he blames intel for him having an unstable OC because he doesnt know what jedec is

[vivid vine]

What vid would that be ?

Last OC vid is like months and months ago

But then again I don't watch all these guys vids all the time to be fair

[ashen spindle]

idk I only saw it because I saw someone on twitter mention it so I took a look

I just remember it was an 12th gen system

but he was complaining that his system wasnt running stable when he was OC'ing the ram beyond what intel officially supports and then blamed it on intel

[vivid vine]

Ohhh think I know what you are talking about

the DDR5 vids

[ashen spindle]

probably

[vivid vine]

Honestly anybody buying DDR5 at that time is signing up to be a genuine pig, only fingers they should point is at themselves for being early adopters

[ashen spindle]

I just can't believe someone so big in the tech space doesnt understand it, doesnt run it by someone else and just lets false info up when people tell him he's an idiot

you have a responsibility if you have that large of a following..

[vivid vine]

Yea I never really watch his Intel or OC vids, I just watch the watercooling stuff

Bad if you are putting out wrong info to the masses

[stark bobcat]

Took me one video to realise that guy was a Buffon and click "don't recommend me this channel" button

[ashen spindle]

custom watercooling I'd probably check his channel just because I dont know any other big channel about it

but the rest...

[vivid vine]

What I do, use Jay for watercooling, GN for the nitty gritty and Linus for a laugh

Like I said earlier, they were fun to watch at first now its all kinda blah

[shadow minnow]

Hardware unboxed is nice for monitor reviews imo

[stark bobcat]

I also watch hardware unboxed for some performance investigations

[shadow minnow]

But well lately I haven’t watched many tech videos, just time to time ltt for laugh or because I had nothing else to do

[vivid vine]

Hardware is good for monitors when I am shopping for them, need to watch those dudes more

@shadow minnow same guess its something people watch more when they first get into the pc hobby then when we get more experience we just stop

[stark bobcat]

They do some nice content especially when they consider mid range to lower end pcs

[shadow minnow]

I am still annoyed at how ltt tried to make custom tec cooling too

[stark bobcat]

Like the recent ddr5 video was interesting

[shadow minnow]

Since when it got hot they tried to increase power so it ran hotter, and thus no benchmark results