🎮│game

[compact oriole]

those unfortunately only sell the ms version but i want it on steam if i do buy it and dont gamepass it

[sinful cobalt]

there is a driver for the game tho

[hardy merlin]

I meant other sources

[cyan pewter]

i think im recording @1080p60 but bitrates pretty high

[sinful cobalt]

https://www.techpowerup.com/349052/amd-releases-adrenalin-edition-26-5-2-whql-drivers

[cyan pewter]

i updated gpu 5 hours before i played

its not outdated driver issue

[compact oriole]

ah ok. in this case i wanna mostly wanna play it in coop with friends, so this time its not an option

[hardy merlin]

There's OnlineFix crack already

[compact oriole]

rather, the windows 11 apparently being able to track you playing it actually makes me kinda afraid about the ban

[compact oriole]

do you host it on your pc then?

[cyan pewter]

i dont remember signing into xbox on steam and i still got xbox points while playing the game

[hardy merlin]

Just login with any Xbox account and it will work

[compact oriole]

its probably linked in some way from before or they give you some kinda standard ms account cz you definitely need one to be playing im guessing

[cyan pewter]

i didnt even check what my ign was

[hardy merlin]

Have you played other FH or Xbox games on your Steam account? Since not so long ago there's linking, so you don't have to log in each time

[compact oriole]

150gb game.. ill need to delete some shit for that

[cyan pewter]

nope, all my forza games are (unfortunately) on xbox app/ms store

[hardy merlin]

[compact oriole]

well no other ms game? they own half the industry these days

[fallow bronze]

120 ? you can buy 4 subnautica 2's for that moneys

[hardy merlin]

For me I noticed that after I logged in to FH4 I no longer had to do so in Sea of Thieves for example

[stiff fiber]

Honestly it is not a surprise I remember telling people that these anti cheat are surveillance tool

[cyan pewter]

i dont think so..?

im not interested in any of the other xbox games tbh

[hardy merlin]

kernel-level anti-cheat
has access to kernel of your OS
like access to everything that you do on PC
People when it turns out that kernel anti-cheat can access the rest of their computer despite everyone telling them so:

[stiff fiber]

I am sure that intelligence agencies are heavily into these software

[compact oriole]

do they need to be? i feel like most corps make backdoors for them anyway

[cyan pewter]

i hate how some of forzas cutscenes are pre-rendered at like 720 or 1080p @30fps and then some are rendered in real-time at whatever fps you get

[stiff fiber]

Yeah also true

[hardy merlin]

Nah, intelligence agencies just go to Microsoft or Apple and they will make them a backdoor tailored specifically for them

[compact oriole]

found a deal for adguard vpn. 40 bucks for 5 years. anyone use em for vpn before? they good? they dont log what you do unlike nordvpn and shit so thats important

[cyan pewter]

in fh6’s intro they have an animation of your character physically walking up and getting into the car

we were this close to being able to control our characters independently of the car

[hardy merlin]

Yee, I have noticed since I changed to 1440p and now to 4k, pretty much all games still have pre-rendered cutscenes in 1080p and it's so jarring
It doesn't take neither much time or space to also include 1440p and 4k videos in the game

[hardy merlin]

The only VPN I know that doesn't log anything for sure is Mullvad

[cyan pewter]

such a noticeable dip in quality in what is otherwise a beautiful game

[compact oriole]

protonvpn and private internet access also dont log anything

[stiff fiber]

Apparently EU want to forbid VPN because 12 yo could use to access instagram 🤡
They really think people are dumb, but… people are dumb

[hardy merlin]

ProtonVPN doesn't work if you have your local network in 10.x.x.x subnet

[compact oriole]

bro its always about the kids, terrorism or money laundering when they encroach on the whole populations privacy

[stiff fiber]

V for vendetta was a documentary from the future

[compact oriole]

is that something that normies like me who are not sure what that means have to worry about?

either way. 40 bucks for 5 years sounds like a good deal. i also bought lifetime family plan (9 devices) adguard adblock a couple years ago for like 20 bucksfor systemwide. works flawlessly

[stiff fiber]

For mullvald or proton?

I use proton but maybe I shouldnt?

[compact oriole]

adguard in this case. theres some deal on a website

they do adblock, vpn and dns shit

[stiff fiber]

Ok I have to confess something I dont understand what adguard bring

For avoiding trackers?

[compact oriole]

that too and general adblock

[hardy merlin]

Basically DNS blocking, like piHole, but they host it so you don't have to

[compact oriole]

i bought it at the time where all adblock had issues with youtube and twitch ads. and this completely solved all my ad issues

and its systemwide, not only in my browser

[stiff fiber]

Does it make sense to use a vpn and adguard at the same time?

[hardy merlin]

Sure, VPN changes your location, but you still get ads when visiting websites

[compact oriole]

https://www.stacksocial.com/sales/adguard-family-plan-lifetime-subscription heres the deal for lifetime family plan :3 i bought 2 of em. one for me and one for my actual normie family

[stiff fiber]

Yeah I remember I used to have adguard but then I got paranoid in thinking eventually adguard itself could track what I was doing

[stiff fiber]

Seems pretty good thanks!

[compact oriole]

ofc annecdotal. ive been using it for 2 years now and im happy about the purchase

[hardy merlin]

They can track what websites you are visiting, but only domain, so if you visit for example https://www.reddit.com/r/ferrets/comments/1tddiuk/hey_mom_so_the_guys_where_wondering_if_you_had/ they can only see you went on reddit.com

They have to see it, they are doing DNS resolving after all

[stiff fiber]

Yeah are you using it?

[hardy merlin]

I'm hosting some of my own services anyway, so I just use piHole https://pi-hole.net/

[stiff fiber]

Oh ok yes

Two days ago I tried to download occt

Bitdefender flagged it as a malware

I dont know if it was a false positive or not still didnt install it

[compact oriole]

whats occt

[stiff fiber]

Just wanted to stress my cpu after applying new thermal paste

[stiff fiber]

A thing to stress the cpu when you undervolt

Among other thing

[compact oriole]

id say its prolly a false flag but recently theres been a couple tools and sw where some 3rd party injected actual viruses

like jdownloader and hwinfo

[stiff fiber]

Yeah apparently they put malware in official repo

[hardy merlin]

Try Prime95

[stiff fiber]

Oh thanks

I was 95 degree when playing pragmata

[hardy merlin]

Ryzen?

[stiff fiber]

Dont know if it was the thermal paste

[stiff fiber]

5600x

[compact oriole]

what gpu and what res?

[stiff fiber]

I put the recent arctic paste

[stiff fiber]

9070xt 1440p

[compact oriole]

hm ok 95° seems like a lot then

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, Ryzens will dynamically OC themselves until they hit like 90~95C by design, so that's normal

[compact oriole]

or maybe not

[stiff fiber]

Well anyway I put the new thermal paste

Never changed it since the build in 2022

[compact oriole]

since i upgraded my gpu my cpu has not been reaching amlost 100°c anymore

[stiff fiber]

100% wtf 😂

[compact oriole]

intel 13900k <.< that one and the 14900k had really stupid issues

[stiff fiber]

When mine reached 95 degree I was playing and thinking wtf it is so hot outside this year until I realized the heat was coming from the case

My plan was to get a 9800x3d this year but well ram decided otherwise

[hardy merlin]

5800X3D re-release soon, that will be a good upgrade

[compact oriole]

5800x3d still a goat cpu

[compact oriole]

really wish that cpu was out when i upgraded mine. i couldnt wait longer so i went with intel. big regret

7800x3d also wasnt out at the time

[stiff fiber]

Well for the 5800x3d it will depend on the price

Dont think I would get it for more than 150 euros

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, but with it you wouldn't be far off from 7800x3d and 9800x3d

[stiff fiber]

Yeah the thing is that I wonder if it will bring really something compared to a 5600x

In the 1% low guess it will

For 150 euros I would get it, for 250 no

[hardy merlin]

In CPU-heavy games mostly - they love that additional cache
But in GPU-heavy games the difference won't be as big

[stiff fiber]

The only game I play where I am cpu bound is marathon the cpu is always at 100%

[hardy merlin]

I kinda regret a bit that I didn't went with 9800x3d, would save so much time tinkering with CCD and core parking

[stiff fiber]

And btw the funny thing is that I can change every graphical setting it has no effect on the fps I get

[stiff fiber]

What do you have?

[hardy merlin]

9950x3d, picked it mostly for work, but I don't work with VMs and containers that much nowadays

[stiff fiber]

Well it is a good cpu

[compact oriole]

no real benefit in most games but for other stuff prolly goated

[stiff fiber]

Yeah

Last year for black friday aliexpress had a crazy deal on 9800x3d

[hardy merlin]

Just that I have to add this to every single game on Steam, because it runs better on CCD0 than on whole CPU
WINE_CPU_TOPOLOGY=16:0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23 DXVK_HDR=1 PROTON_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 %command%

[compact oriole]

the weirdest thing i had is with fromsoft games

i went back to ds3 recently and it would freeze the game for like up to 30 seconds randomly

every time i open it i have to go into task manager and disable core 0 for the game so it stops

[hardy merlin]

Same with Tomb Raider Underworld
Engine can't comprehend that someone can have CPU with more than 8 threads so you have to limit game in task manager

[fallow bronze]

cant you just put this in your .profile or whatever environment session?

[hardy merlin]

I have like 10 games installed at once on Steam at most, so it's no biggie

[novel umbra]

🐌

[hardy merlin]

Yay, it will be morrow

[fading spade]

[novel umbra]

they say it will be monday

[novel umbra]

mine was more n route to you than to me

[fading spade]

Hmm?

[novel umbra]

mine was in the UK

[fading spade]

Wow xd

Why is it so slow though??? ;_; been almost 3 weeks

[hardy merlin]

GLS stands for golistics

[vapid lintel]

3 weeks? You're donezo.. After 2, it completely disappears from existence in all of Gaben's Logistics Services systems

[serene orbit]

For 180-220 you can get a 7800x3d

[compact oriole]

the controller released 11 days ago..

[fringe salmon]

11 is almost 21 if you squint

[hardy merlin]

But you need to replace motherboard to AM5 and RAM to DDR5
5800x3d is just drop-in replacement for 5600x

[sinful cobalt]

Sure the CPU is cheap

And some motherboard

But not the ram

[fringe salmon]

I mean, if you are selling the old ram thats cutting it much closer now

[hardy merlin]

Lots of controllers are coming

Also quite likely that both Frame and Machine will launch in the same frametime, lots of imports

[vapid lintel]

Import to where?

Tell me Rotterdam 🥹

[hardy merlin]

These ones are US, in this case HKGLGB, so Hong Kong -> Long Beach Airport, CA and HKGLAX, so Los Angeles

Not sure where to find EU records

[oak moat]

I play FiveM, what settings do I need to adjust to be able to strafe?

[hardy merlin]

I could only find that there were 5 shipments for Valve via Ceva to Netherlands since beginning of May, rest of data is behind 150€ paywall
But seems like identical situation as in US

[stiff fiber]

Yeah but I would need a am5 motherboard and ram

[orchid prism]

Again...what do you MEAN by strafing

[fringe salmon]

no mansen, no question, only answer

[vapid lintel]

42

[compact oriole]

i can only imagine hes talking about socd

what else would he want to set up that isnt done ingame

[sinful cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/hopping-fluffy-gif-25867122

[vital wren]

[vivid wharf]

https://youtu.be/8gbosBxqiYY

[vapid lintel]

This is epic

[quiet vault]

no its valve

[vivid wharf]

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction

with this video

[vapid lintel]

It tickles all the right tisms

[compact oriole]

https://www.twitch.tv/thomb was looking for people playing fh6 with a wheel. this guy even has a motion sim rig 😮

[vivid wharf]

this guy has good car demo videos with a wheel and shifter https://www.youtube.com/@MotoGamesTV/videos

so ready to play with my moza r5 and sequential shifter

[compact oriole]

hopefully i wont have issues setting it up. apparently partially theres issues with ffb or smth?

[hardy merlin]

Forza is one of these games where force feedback thankfully just works
FH4 and FH5 even on Linux it just picked up my Logi wheel and set it up automagically

[compact oriole]

nice, i have standard logitech as well so maybe no issues. i already saw that moza set up might be finicky

[vivid wharf]

Logitech is a household brand so it is usually supported out of the box, but I hope Moza is going to have no issues considering the CS wheel was supported on Xbox

[compact oriole]

i had seen people saying moza can be a headache with solutions in the video

might wanna look into it

[hardy merlin]

They fully support Logi, Fanatec and Thrustmaster, but no idea about Moza

[trim rock]

Well yeah force feedback is just a USB HID standard thing isn't it

[hardy merlin]

Wooting with force feedback wen?

[trim rock]

How would that even work? Keys all motorized? That would be pretty cool

[hardy merlin]

If you miss the key during bunny-hopping or strafing it breaks your fingers

[sinful cobalt]

First switchy bodypillow

[pure bear]

hello what best macros fortnite (its not cheating)

[compact oriole]

you cant make macros on this keyboard

but you should be able to cough mark

[hardy merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtEQXypwmLU
California sided with SKG and against ESA Entertainment Software Association

[trim rock]

NOOOOOO this will make videogames extremely difficult to make!!!!

[compact oriole]

wow cali not being ... for once. we should note that into our calenders

[small comet]

the calendars hopefully have a sticker about the calendars containing potentially cancer causing chemicals

[compact oriole]

is that what they allow to sell in cali?

[small comet]

yes?

since most things can cause cancer

[pure bear]

noooo my pirate soft ware hit acclaimed game

the first second generation blizz employee has to save us

[compact oriole]

fh6 is in 120€ early access and already beat fh5 peaks lol

[charred rain]

I BEAT CATACLYSM O MY GODD

[compact oriole]

literally

[hardy merlin]

Also tells a lot about industry, and you bet GTA 6 will be $100 on release, and people will buy it like crazy

[compact oriole]

i really doubt itll be more than maybe 80

[compact oriole]

well japan is very popular because of the media they produce and also their design is very popular atm

[mellow garden]

I've already settled on buying GTA VI standard edition, even if it's £100

Same for the 12-18 month delayed PC release

[little cape]

i will not

gta 5 wasnt that great imo

preferred gta 4

[compact oriole]

i dont care about mp and im certainly not gonna pay 100 bucks for standard edition sp

but i also strongly doubt its gonna be 100.. i think its just people panicking about a made up rumor

[mellow garden]

That said, I'm probably buying the ultimate edition or w/e they call it.

I did that for RDR2, on both PS4 and PC for their inital releases.

[little cape]

yeah gta 5 multiplayer was something new and cool but then they turned it into a non stop grind fest which forced most people to spend money on micro transactions

[compact oriole]

have they ever released multiple editions? i dont remember gta5 coming out with sp dlc content

i just realized we boutta find out next week for preorders how much theyll ask

[verbal nymph]

better be game of the decade

if they ask for $80 and above

[hardy merlin]

AAA publishers now ask $80 for games that are not even games of the week, let alone decade

[compact oriole]

well most games arent 80 yet and many of the couple that are completely failed

[hardy merlin]

[little cape]

member when games were worth your money.....i member...

[hardy merlin]

There still are some
I paid 14€ for Dead as Disco and I feel like I ripped off devs, such a good game

[bleak pike]

If you're as broad as me then ye but most people enjoy thousands of games a year that aren't AAA

[little cape]

yeah indie games seem to be the best for your buck

i mean theyre some AAA games that come out that are good like god of war, etc

[compact oriole]

well tons of indie games coming out that are utter garbage but you dont hear from them and you have no expectations

when you hear the next 200mil AAA game is coming out and then it fails miserably that paints a whole different picture

for the most part if i get 1€ an hour out of the game i usually dont feel like the money was wasted

but thats the bare minimum unless the experience was so insane that the math doesnt matter

[little cape]

well $10-$30 compared to $80-$100

with a bigger team compared to these indie studios

[vivid wharf]

I like Dome Keeper

good gaem

[trim rock]

Vroom

[compact oriole]

they already beat fh5 and this is only people who paid 120 bucks lol

really noone gave a fuck about mexico being the map

[nimble current]

120 bucks for forza is

[cyan pewter]

but its forza

[compact oriole]

its with dlc n shit. and most importantly 4 days release before the plebs

[vapid lintel]

DLC on release isn't DLC, it's content stripped out of the game to feign "value add"

[fringe salmon]

no its not on release dlc its just including future dlc

[vapid lintel]

"Pay me today to (probably?) get something in the future!"

Genius

What could go wrong?

Looks at CS2

[fringe salmon]

if they were to not release the dlc steam will refund you

[compact oriole]

welcome to reality. thats what early access also is and yet everyone buys into it

[fringe salmon]

this is age old thing that is hard to do wrong

[stiff fiber]

wtf they all paid 120 euros?

[small comet]

basically yes

although given how much time i spent in fh3-5 each my usual 1eur/hr is more than fulfilled

[stiff fiber]

yeah I am not a fan enough of FH to pay so much

[vivid wharf]

could be fh6 is on gamepass too?

[sinful cobalt]

Yes

[small comet]

thats steam numbers

its on gamepass but that unlocks in idk how many hours

[vivid wharf]

ah

[small comet]

tbh any other game could potentially replace FH for me in what i do since i just drive around in cars that look nice usually after work

rn im speedrunning all events to gobble up credits and free car unlocks through spins so i can do said driving after work

[stiff fiber]

Yeah I understand not criticizing even 60 euros is worth it for a week end of fun for a video game we love

me I am more the kind of putting FH for relaxing

you can listen to music or a podcast while playing

[small comet]

i wish they didnt remove classic radio station

[vapid lintel]

You know what really grinds my gears with respect to radio stations?

The damn DJs blabbering on endlessly about stupid shit

[mellow garden]

None of them are Flash FM from Vice City

[vivid wharf]

real

[small comet]

yeah. i also wish theyd allow for a custom radio station like gta does where it just plays tracks i tell it to

let me give you mp3s game

[stiff fiber]

it is where AI could be useful like the DJ could be an AI voice and it could play your favorite tracks

[vivid wharf]

I refunded fh5 because of how you constantly get treated like a superstar on voice comms by some commentator

for fh6 I guess I'll have to bear with it lol

[vapid lintel]

Or, hear me out, just don't have DJs at all 😐

[stiff fiber]

also but if you like I dont know news about your favorite bands it could looks for news and commejt

also other stuff

[vapid lintel]

Couldn't care less about the bands or the people in them

I'm here for the bibbity boppity

[small comet]

doesnt even need to be ai just generic non specific inbetweens

[small comet]

turn off voices

[vivid wharf]

does it remove them completely? there's probably still some narrative in cutscenes

not that I should care abt that in an arcade racing game lol

[small comet]

afaik only cutscenes should play then

but a lot of the hyping announcer bs is in the non cutscene part during the show races

also remember you can set your name in game to be Your Majesty and ANNA will always greet you with that when you boot the game

[stiff fiber]

just embrace being a superstar in the game @vivid wharf

[cold anvil]

@cyan pewter what wheel are you using for fh6? was hearing their might be some compatibility issues

[cyan pewter]

i dont use wheel, i play forza on controllers

[hot spire]

my acient TMX works

did you check thier site, they literally have a complete list with what is supported and not

[cold anvil]

didnt you say you were on wheel last night? lmao

[cyan pewter]

?

no lol

[cold anvil]

I think I am misremembering my bad

[hot spire]

https://support.forza.net/hc/en-us/articles/51674028831251-FH6-Supported-Wheels-and-Devices

[cold anvil]

yeah I checked,

they're kinda vague

was motly looking into the moza r3

[hot spire]

how is that list vague

[proper basin]

Do they support me

[hot spire]

it literally says partial support, with more support in coming updates

[cold anvil]

like the "we'll add additional support in an update later on" or something like that

[hot spire]

yeah

[cold anvil]

dude

[hot spire]

thats exactaly what it means

[cold anvil]

am I blind

sorry I went to sleep late, my brain must be super fried

[cyan pewter]

obviously SASUAGE is the best nickname

[vapid lintel]

"Magnificent Sausage"

[novel veldt]

Does anyone know how i can put my osu lazer from my c drive to another one?

[cold anvil]

anyways thanks for the help, I recommended my friend to buy the moza r3 and I didn't wanna seem like I screwed him over because he just bought a whole wheel setup just for fh6 for around $500

[cyan pewter]

time to level up wristband

[cold anvil]

me when the racing game has actual progression

[cyan pewter]

man i love this showcase

its ridiculous and thats whats so great

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[cold anvil]

Overwatch bundle costs as much as rgx karambit what the flip

[trim rock]

Skins aint cheap to make

[cold anvil]

This would be much reasonable if vbucks didn’t double in price like 2 months ago

Also Fortnite skins are less desirable when you have 300.

[cyan pewter]

i love how many small convenance stores there are around the map

[vapid lintel]

Do they play the Family Mart jingle?

[cold anvil]

Are there any 7/11’s

[cyan pewter]

i dont think so

[cold anvil]

Ofc there wouldn’t be lol

Like 7/11 looking places XD

[hot spire]

its almost like its realistic

[cyan pewter]

they do actually play a little chime when you drive up to them

i think thats pretty neat

excuse me what the fuck is that

[cyan pewter]

yes

[hot spire]

hot china hatch?

[cyan pewter]

what a shot for the opening of a race

[hot spire]

are you playing in the 240p ripped copy of topgear visual preset?

[cyan pewter]

huh?

[hot spire]

idk if its just jpg compression but that screenshot looks horrible on my end

[cyan pewter]

discord took ages to upload it so probably

[bleak pike]

open in browser

previews are compressed

[hot spire]

i did

[bleak pike]

oit does look like it has no AA tho

[cyan pewter]

oh yeah forgor to reenable that

https://tenor.com/view/confused-stare-at-paper-gif-5257839294650729742

[hot spire]

LMAO 0fps is wild

[cyan pewter]

benchmark run is valid

[hot spire]

999,999,999 ms is 11 and a half DAYS

game wasnt even leaked then XD

also like how it was only 99.8% gpu limiting, wtf was the cpu doing for like 30 min

[cyan pewter]

its hard getting a good orange in forza games
i do really like the new paint jobs they added
(god this looks awful on my IPS)

[mellow garden]

(god this looks awful on my IPS)
XG27AQWMG

That's the solution

[cyan pewter]

im not getting a 2nd oled

especially when my ips is just used to split spotify and discord

[little cape]

PG27AQDP is better

[vital wren]

why do you remind me of my loss

[mellow garden]

[cold anvil]

maybe use a different kind of material paint thing lol

unless you want your cars shiny

[cyan pewter]

a few more

[cold anvil]

looks pretty orange to me

[cyan pewter]

this is why everyone needs oled

@vital wren just buy one already

[vital wren]

I DID BUT I HAD TO SEND IT BACK

I fucking hate amazon

[cyan pewter]

[little cape]

y blud

[vivid wharf]

is that a qd-oled

has to be

[little cape]

https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gaming/odyssey-oled-g6-g60sd-27-inch-ls27dg602snxza/

[cyan pewter]

i love the gr gt
handles so nice stock

[compact oriole]

played the latest industry plant its basically like an interactive album/mixtape. some very beautiful art. its only 3 hours tho. so idk about the price (mixtape)

[little cape]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/samsung/odyssey-oled-g6-g60sd-s27dg60

@vivid wharf

[vivid wharf]

yeah samsung is qd-oled
I assumed that cause on camera the blacks are almost like on IPS lol

[cyan pewter]

ifon overstaurate picture

i dont play games with hdr tho maybe i should try with fh6

[vivid wharf]

yeah I bet its not like that irl anyways
it's just when I see comparisons of qd-oled vs woled it always looks so different

[cyan pewter]

nvm i hate windows hdr

[vivid wharf]

better to use ingame probably

[cyan pewter]

oooo random s14

the rims are uh.... questionable

[quiet vault]

hdr bugged in fh6 anyway

[cold anvil]

I'm waiting for that college government money to hit so I can make the most financially irresponsible choices ever

[cyan pewter]

im probably gonna wait for my fall funds to hit before i buy a new wheel

[cold anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

I start college the fall semester so me too

[cyan pewter]

the gr gt's long wheelbase makes it hella fun

[hot spire]

my old af tmx was a literal garnage puill

ill never go back to no FF

[cold anvil]

I've been debating on getting a sim setup for such a long while and I am still unsure because I have no clue how much I'd use it

[hot spire]

one day ill do a wheel mod, there is a 3d printed adapter i can copy and cnc mill

[cyan pewter]

r3 is definitely one of the best bang for buck bundles

but the only con is no shifter and no clutch

[cold anvil]

yeah I'm aware about it

[hot spire]

I have a aliexpress shifter and hand brake

10/10 for the cost

[vivid wharf]

get r5

[maiden tulip]

Worked fine for me

Novideo strikes again

[vivid wharf]

not that diff to r3 in price but nicer to have more force

[cyan pewter]

thats what im plannning to get

[maiden tulip]

Realistically

[hardy merlin]

@vapid lintel Maaaaaaark!
Valve is already sending out mails about controller reservation purchases

[maiden tulip]

You'll use it a week then not touch it again @cold anvil

[vapid lintel]

Not to me

[hardy merlin]

They started today, so maybe morrow

[maiden tulip]

@hardy merlin i got told the triggers are really meh on the steam controller

That it just feels like the deck's controls

[quiet vault]

its just not a good implementation

[cold anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-think-thinking-hmm-gif-11570469479394618754

[maiden tulip]

it's perfectly fine yall just need to go calibrate your displays

[quiet vault]

inverted tonemapping

weird black levels

[hardy merlin]

For me they feel copmpletely different
They aren't mush at all like on Deck, very smooth and light to use, for me that's the best part about this roller

[maiden tulip]

Hm

[vivid wharf]

mush like on deck? mine are not mushy at all on deck

[hardy merlin]

Switch to Linux, there's already proper HDR working there

[maiden tulip]

My deck feels like mush

Trigger wise so when i saw they feel exactly like the deck i was like ew

[hardy merlin]

When you press till the very end you can feel they are a bit soft and mushy
Controller doesn't feel like that at all

[quiet vault]

its not a windows thing 🤔

[vivid wharf]

it has some haptics in steam menu but in games it doesnt feel like that

[quiet vault]

also hope they releasing some performance update

[trim rock]

If only they kept the dual-stage triggers of the original SController

[maiden tulip]

i wish there was non contradictory comparaisons about the steam controller

[hardy merlin]

There's already update in beta which add dual-stage haptics

[maiden tulip]

Native 5120x1440 extreme preset

[cold anvil]

I like the playstation dual sense quite a lot only issue is non he or tmr sticks but thats a pretty easy mod

[trim rock]

Haptics is not the same as a real physical click

[quiet vault]

lots of RT turned off

screenspace GI is easy

[cold anvil]

I bet you're super duper immersed with that ultrawide

[hardy merlin]

True, it was really nice to bind the click to nitro in arcade racers

[vapid lintel]

WorthABuy does not disappoint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7J0JtOHyX0

[little cape]

i was playing ghost of tsushima and i like the dual sense speaker making noises when i pull out my katana

[cold anvil]

dude one thing that peeves me about modern games nowadays is the refusal to add an option to change button layout on UI

[maiden tulip]

oh no not him

[quiet vault]

lowkey wish they would change the forza horizon release model

[vapid lintel]

Yes him

[maiden tulip]

NOT HIM

[vapid lintel]

HIM

[maiden tulip]

NO

[vapid lintel]

YES

[quiet vault]

unlocking the same cars again every game kinda annoying

[little cape]

i want the steam controller but i cant justify dropping 150 cad on a controller when i can get a 40 cad controller with tmr sticks or just use my current ps5 controller

[maiden tulip]

Yes steam controller makes little sense and only works on pc so

[cold anvil]

it would play the Radio static in Silent Hill 2 on the controller to let you know that enemies were nearby, that was so cool and added so much more to the creepyness of the game

[maiden tulip]

Better off grabbing an 8bitdo unless you really want touchpads

[little cape]

thats awesome

[maiden tulip]

If you want touchpads its nice tho

[little cape]

did you play on ps5 or on steam

[hardy merlin]

Price very well justified imo for what you get
And it quickly replaced DualSense as my main PC controller

[vapid lintel]

"If you bought this unsubscribe and fuck off"

[cold anvil]

steam

[little cape]

yeah i mean im not saying the steam controller isnt good

[maiden tulip]

If it was like 100cad i'd buy it

[little cape]

im just saying for 150 cad

[maiden tulip]

150 im a bit iffy on + with exchange rate it should be 129.99 not 150

[cold anvil]

it all literally depends on the devs to add proper controller support they just don't cause they're lazy.

[little cape]

150 before tax no ?

[trim rock]

Just wait for the 5 dollar sale

[maiden tulip]

E

[little cape]

plus 13% sales tax

[maiden tulip]

14.975% for me

[hardy merlin]

Just saying that it feels and plays like a completely different league than 8bitdo or any other TMR controller I used

[little cape]

its 150 for me as well

[maiden tulip]

Like i kinda want kne but

[little cape]

you just like to rub the steam nipples

[hot spire]

fucking single player games with online componets, my FH6 wont load now past the sign in

[vivid wharf]

you can play music with steam controller's haptics though

[cold anvil]

hot take but I actually love the playstation dpad, clicky dpads lowkey disgust me

[little cape]

and it moans screams when you drop it too

[cold anvil]

so can the switch and playstation

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-gif-26229659

[vivid wharf]

cool now whats left is for them to make TMR sticks so their controllers arent consumables

[cold anvil]

steam controller looks really good though, I am all for accessibility and availability for customers to do whatever they want to their product

me personally it's not for me but would I recommend it to people who don't have a controller for their desktop setup? yes.

really happy HD haptics are being normalized

xbox is falling behind

[little cape]

tbh i want a steam deck more right now so i can lay down and game

[cold anvil]

If I had a steam deck it'd be so useless lmao, I rarely go out

[compact oriole]

same

[cold anvil]

playing in bed while my pc is 5 feet away would make me feel lazy

[little cape]

for me its more to use it in different areas of my house or to travel on a plane

i wouldnt take that outside for everyday life

[compact oriole]

i kinda want a steam controller, so i can play singleplayer shooters with it leaned back instead of having to use kbm

[cold anvil]

dude do you live in like a super house

[vivid wharf]

deck came in clutch on a plane and when I my flight was delayed, also nice to have when you're idling at hotels lol

[little cape]

3 floor house

its okay decent

no mou mansion

[cold anvil]

I cannot tell if you're talking about an apartment or live a life of luxury

[hardy merlin]

[little cape]

american homes are different no? Usually you guys have one floor homes depending on the state

if i was talking about apartment i would say apartment

"technically" typed apartment

[hot spire]

floors are for people who cant afford enough land

[cold anvil]

like 2 floors maximum for middle class people

[hot spire]

who wants stairs, plus waterfront > floors

[cyan pewter]

i just realized ive been on forza all day and havent done any work

[hardy merlin]

I kinda wonder if it'd be hard to mod Steam Deck to be possible to charge it via puck

I'll be on Forza soon, waiting for last .rar to download

[cyan pewter]

oh hey my first FE car from wheelspin

[vivid wharf]

maybe someone can make a simple usb-c accessory instead of having to tear your deck apart

I modded mine tho with a transparent backplate and clicky face buttons lol

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, I want to buy replacement back shell and mod that

[cold anvil]

I think.. I'm just gonna avoid these things if I get to play...

[cyan pewter]

i mean its not like ill ever use it

[cold anvil]

that deadass looks like an endgame super car you'd buy in gran turismo after like 50 hours of grinding 😭

[hardy merlin]

They are good to lie in your garage, so when you get another one from wheelspin it's being automatically converted to credits

[cyan pewter]

now this....

[vivid wharf]

mine also came with easier to reach back buttons, but they are louder

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, stock back buttons are too flat, I get palm cramps after few minutes

[cyan pewter]

holy shit the lifted brz is so weird to drive

its amazing

[vivid wharf]

are you on controller for now?

[cyan pewter]

yeah

[vivid wharf]

I might cave in right now😭

[cyan pewter]

i think if i use my g923 itll shake my desk apart because of the vibrations

[vivid wharf]

and buy borza

[maiden tulip]

https://player.land/en/p-4677/6519-forza-horizon-6-premium-edition-pre-purchase-xbox-series-x-s-microsoft-store

Cheapest place to buy it legit

[hardy merlin]

Ew, MS Store

[maiden tulip]

But its microsoft store

[maiden tulip]

Still cheaper

[hardy merlin]

20€ difference? I'd pay that just to have it on Steam

[vivid wharf]

seems I could buy a microsoft store key for cheaper than on steam but fk that

[maiden tulip]

I got it on sream personally but i can see this being fine for someone who wants to save a few bucks

Individual preference really

[hardy merlin]

I bought FH4 on MS Store - never again

Updating the game was a pain in the ass, I had to rebuy it on Steam when I moved to Linux, and I couldn't move my save for some goddamn reason, even if I logged in to the very same Xbox account

[hot spire]

i forgot my padle shiffters double tap

i keep double down shifting

[cyan pewter]

💀

[hot spire]

also dispite having clutch + shift inabled the padels ignore that

guess i gotta dig out the shifter

the intro made me remember how long it has been

lol, super trucks on snow is WILD in full sim being rusty

also why cant unskipable shit just die already

[bleak pike]

Who was it in here saying FN characters lack detail

[vapid lintel]

You can polish a turd but you can't turn it into gold

[nimble current]

imo its the artstyle that's bland more than anything

[cyan pewter]

https://medal.tv/games/forza-horizon-6/clips/mIxe6MqQI9gw1BfrV?invite=cr-MSxNaVgsMzM3MTkzMzA&v=80

[little cape]

d brand case?

[vivid wharf]

no just a replacement back plate from aliexpress

[little cape]

I'll mod mine when i get one

[vivid wharf]

its not super worth it unless you really want to change aesthetics, but the mechanical buttons are nice for me personally

[little cape]

its more for changing the buttons so i dont get hand cramps

[vivid wharf]

there's also back button extensions you can stick on there without replacing anything at all

[cyan pewter]

mightve just dialed in the camera settings

license plate lighting is sus but if i remove it, its just a black rectangle there

[vivid wharf]

shame

[little cape]

https://tenor.com/view/mulan-mushu-dishonor-dishonor-on-you-dishonor-on-your-cow-gif-8017278316557794968

[maiden tulip]

Im lazy

You got me

I paid 3$

[vivid wharf]

I installed the fucking gaming services without microsoft store

[little cape]

iirc she is directionally challenged too

insert clip of her shooting at a grenade in halo 3

[maiden tulip]

i blame alcohol

[little cape]

still annoyed theres no team slayer multiplayer

[young hill]

Maybe that is for the best

[maiden tulip]

id kick ur ass

[young hill]

Also we have the master chief collection

[maiden tulip]

moumou chief

[little cape]

stop the copium

[young hill]

You want that slop to have multiplayer?

[little cape]

idk how long that will last

[little cape]

[young hill]

It is not even built on the original engine

[little cape]

yeah

[young hill]

It is in unreal engine 5, by the way there is one multiplayer halo game on unreal engine anyways

Fan made but still

[little cape]

ran good?

i need prime halo in my life again

gears of war remake remake was dog shit

[young hill]

https://project-contingency.com/

[little cape]

i like

damn its a 10 year old project

[young hill]

https://youtu.be/XwPXqI9Im14

[compact oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoNWqTERSWQ

daaaayum this setup is so cool

[compact oriole]

btw mixtape is barely a game, the character design is awful and the dialogues are cringe at times, but it is very pretty and i had fun with it high, cz it was very beautiful and cinematic and the music was good

it was basically an interactive mixtape, so the name fits i guess

[outer pollen]

It’s as good as MGS 4 Guns of the Patriots

Since they both have 10 outta 10s

@cyan pewter idk if you saw this

https://www.ign.com/articles/lego-2k-drive-set-to-be-delisted-next-week-with-multiplayer-shutdown-scheduled-for-2027

[buoyant osprey]

I finished Fatal Frame 2 and it wasn't as good as I had hoped for a game regarded as such a classic

[compact oriole]

i mean its very clearly either a weird psyop or a sign of how r.... game journos are. but for what it is (interactive music video) it was pretty good

[cyan pewter]

i didnt even know this was a thing

[outer pollen]

I was gonna gatekeep it

[compact oriole]

its not more or less of a game than visual novels or those stupid dating sims

[outer pollen]

But felt like feeding some of the younger gamers

Unc gotta pass knowledge down

[compact oriole]

theres been a couple of these millenial nostalgia slop games over the years. this one seems like the best and least woke one

well its not woke at all apart from the ugly design of mc

[outer pollen]

I saw that cutscene with the girl holding the lighter

I was like

[compact oriole]

its about highschoolers last day before mc leaves forever. it is kinda cringe but the art behind it i enjoyed. well its the only reason i enjoyed it. i pushed through the rest

most of the backstories and dialogues were fine

definitely not worth 20 bucks for 3 hours tho

[buoyant osprey]

I don't like how the characters look and I'm very tired of nostalgia based games

I suffered through that in Lost Records Bloom and Rage

[compact oriole]

thats the games i had in mind when calling out the millenial nostalgia slop. this at least felt like a nice audio visual experience when it wasnt about some of the cringe dialogue

wasnt about identity n shit

[buoyant osprey]

I remember when that new Israeli fungus zombie guy game was announced and it also had the very bored and tired 80s nostalgia crap

Intergalactic

[compact oriole]

LOL

im like what the fuck kinda game is israeli fungus zombie guy

neil druckman?

[buoyant osprey]

Yes

[compact oriole]

ye honestly mc alone already has me sceptical..

or rather the whole teaser of 2 women that behave like men having a conversation

im still coping that itll have good gameplay even with the shit mc design

[quiet vault]

esport team merch with game characters is kinda cool

[compact oriole]

man im lowkey considering getting the steam controller

[stiff fiber]

The mixtape thing is crazy because everyone is over reacting

The game dont deserve a 10 apparently ok

And the gamers went full hysteria mode

[hardy merlin]

Meanwhile Dead as Disco, serious contender to Indie GOTY gets nowhere near as attention

[mellow garden]

Believe it or not, GTA VI will even win indie GOTY

[compact oriole]

a "game" that sold nothing got universal insane praise in form of multiple 10/10 reviews. i think its more abgout these consistently stupid "professional" review scores on games than anything else

how do you write a review of "too much cheese" ijn a mouse game, "too much water" in subnautica and give a massively big game like crimson a 6 when you give a music video a 10/10

[stiff fiber]

I agree but the issue is not the game itself it is these journalist that cannot be trusted anymore @compact oriole

Why do you think people dont trust media anymore

It is bigger than video game

[compact oriole]

yes. and i think thats what its all about. they just use the game to shit on the state of affairs

[stiff fiber]

They do the same for everything if you interpret the world through the prism of media all you see is an illusion

It is not about informing people it is about forcing behavior

But there are cracks in their system

Like they say a game is good when it is not people react

But it is not about the game itself it is about media

[compact oriole]

ye and then they insult "gamers"

[fringe salmon]

That’s some mental leap, going from the writer liking noir too much to see mouse pi as just a fun game or just not understanding what it’s about, to its a media conspiracy

[fathom swift]

Game journalism hasn't been about gaming for a while now and people know that. There's a reason it's been failing for quite some time

[compact oriole]

well theyre either the same level of incompetent or theres more behind it. when reviews of some of these publications somehow consistently are at odds to general player sentiment that often, something is going wrong

[compact oriole]

many of em just tryna use gaming journalism as a stepping stone to what they consider actual journalism jobs

[fringe salmon]

If one takes the tile time to read more than the one sentence people make fun of, it’s almost always very clear why they arrived there and that it’s never even the third most likely thing it’s due to media conspiracies again the reader lmao

[compact oriole]

i watched the full mouse review. the guy is just a pretentious loser. i also played the full mixtape game. its a nice audio visual experience. its a walking sim music video. its wild to give it a 10/10

[fathom swift]

If IGN gave ratings that made sense then people wouldn't care. They get far more bad attention when making terrible reviews, but it's attention nonetheless, and they get more of the attention than if reviews were normal. So it's good for them even if people hate it

[fringe salmon]

Oh yeah its hard to classify it as a game even, or a 10 as a music video, but that’s quite different from assuming media wants to control you

[compact oriole]

i think the actual issue might not be that most of em are losers. the issue is that these websites arent employing different kinds of gamers. why do you let someone review a game they wont enjoy from the getgo

[compact oriole]

yes because the media making up a false consensus that doesnt exist isnt a tactic that has been employed since the day it existed

[fringe salmon]

No the issue is you need clicks to get ad revenue and boring articles don’t get attention to it

[compact oriole]

no, thats just easier than making quality content. if you made good reviews and people trusted your judgement based on that, youd succeed

[fathom swift]

There is no reason for them to make quality content

[compact oriole]

or how do these huge gaming youtube channels that mostly do reviews outperform all these garbage publications?

[fringe salmon]

Different medium, people click video content even if the words would be forming an article they’d skip

Different mediums have different retention rates, different payment methods etc.

[compact oriole]

ign is usually releasing the same review as a video and writen

the issue is that many of these people arent actual gamers. theyre journalists on a job larping as such

one of the very few publications i enjoy are gameranx

some of em are clearly casuals but their "before you buy" videos are usually pretty good to show gameplay, general infos about the game and their opinions

and its not like the sentiment is new that ign and co are fucking hacks. everyone knows they give favorable reviews to certain publishers (gotta give a good review if you want to keep getting early access), video evidence of some of them never having held a fucking controller in their lives and strongly favouring modern audience slop

but ye mainly i think them having to fire all their staff cz noone gives a shit about their articles made it worse because theyre not hiring the right people for different genres. its like if i worked for ign and theyre making me review e33 or bg3 even tho i fucking hate turn based games

ye i can appreciate that theyre clearly good games from what ive seen and i know about player sentiment but im not qualified to give it a rating

[stiff fiber]

maybe someday people will understand that media are not there to report news but to make the news

why do you think that so many billionaire invest in newspaper knowing they will lost money with?

same for public media honestly at least where I live

it is not about reporting news it is about manipulating how people perceive these news

[compact oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPKpqGxYE1I nah man its as @fringe salmon says. thats just a conspiracy

these couple of billion dollar conglomerates who own all media would never use that power to make up false consensus or try to steer public opinion to their own advantages or views

[stiff fiber]

Yeah that would never happen we all know these people act for the good of people

but the sad part to me is the political tribalism in recognizing the issue

people on the left scream only right wing media do it, and conversely

both side do it, and on top of that public state media do it too

so at the end I dont know seem like it is all a perceptual matter

[narrow junco]

#🎮│game

[stiff fiber]

all this talking came from IGN and mixtape

[narrow junco]

Ah that stupid discourse

Some people like the game and a bunch of weirdo culture warriors got mad at that

[stiff fiber]

issue is that it doesnt deserve a 10

[narrow junco]

[stiff fiber]

it is barely a video game

[narrow junco]

It‘s just an opinion

[stiff fiber]

now it can be a charming experience

but not a 10 out 10

[narrow junco]

Someone might think it is a 10 in their opinion

[stiff fiber]

the weird part is that all journalist think it is a 10, gamers dont think it is a 10

[narrow junco]

Reviews are just that at the end of the day, opinions of the reviewer that you may or may not agree with

[stiff fiber]

almost like if journalist are not gamer

[narrow junco]

Show me where all journalist think its a 10

You cant just generalize like that

[stiff fiber]

have you seen how acclamed the game have been?

[narrow junco]

Not 10 acclaimed

You‘re making shit up

[stiff fiber]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/mixtape/critic-reviews/?platform=playstation-5

I am not check for yourself wtf

[narrow junco]

And getting fed lies and stuff to make you angry at a frankly inoffensive game and reviewers that are just saying what they think

[stiff fiber]

you are crazy just read

seriously wtf

[narrow junco]

86= every reviewer thinks it‘s a 10

[stiff fiber]

ok no point talking to you

it is crazy how unable to generalize people are do you even know what is trend, a mean or something?

[narrow junco]

You‘re just not living in the real world

[stiff fiber]

most journalist are saying it is a 10 you understand that. We know that most is not all we are aware now we cannot talk about anything if for every topic people come with the exception

[narrow junco]

And saying "gamers dont like it" when sites that dont get review bombed by weirdos also have general acclaim by players

[stiff fiber]

😵‍💫

and you think I am out of touch wtf you are the one being delusional

[compact oriole]

a professional review isnt just supposed to be a guys opinion. its supposed to help the reader make an informed decision on a game. saying a game about mice has "too much cheese jokes" and a game about diving in water has "too much water", recommending games with 7 or 8/10 that got their servers shutdown with 2-8 weeks and somehow often rating against general player opinion isnt doing a good job. thats all the shit with mixtape is about for most people apart from the insane anti woke people who would call anything without a white male mc DEI

[narrow junco]

https://opencritic.com/game/20188/mixtape player rating 80 here and 87 on steam

[stiff fiber]

it proves my point journalist love this game what are you even arguing about?

[compact oriole]

the discourse isnt that mixtape is not a nice experience, i played it and i think it really is. but its not a 10/10 experience and its as much of a game as visual novels or dating sims are

[stiff fiber]

it is rather that you cannot seriously give mixtape a 10 when crimson desert has been so badly reviewed

[narrow junco]

80% of the shit on this mixtape discourse is people pushing the "anti gamer war" narrative that is just not real and idk what to tell you but reviews are just opinions and you should take them as that. Yeah they should help you make an informed descision based on what someone else says but that‘s it, and it‘s also why you should always read more than one review to get different perspectives

[compact oriole]

well that ties into being at odds with general gamer sentiment in games

[narrow junco]

Did you not read the words "player rating"? These are all from random users and not reviewers

[stiff fiber]

they are able to give a review and we are able to say these are shitty review what is the issue?

[compact oriole]

you always have the worst of every group being the loudest. which is why its so easy to shit on each other and generalize the whole group

[stiff fiber]

player rating have you see the number of people actually playing this game?
https://steamdb.info/app/2582320/charts/
500 person are playing it on steam right now how is that a huge success?

[compact oriole]

im always anti woke/dei shit but this game has basically non of it in here

[narrow junco]

I never said it‘s a huge success

[stiff fiber]

then why is it rated so high?

[narrow junco]

I said: people that played it actually tend to enjoy it

Good reviews dont always mean big monetary success

[compact oriole]

i think giving an obscure game with massive non appeal a 10/10 while giving massively successful games a 6/10 and giving games that die within weeks 8/10 is a REALLY bad look and shows that their either hugely incompetent or paid

[narrow junco]

Things that are successful are not always good

And things that are unsuccessful are not always bad

[hardy merlin]

FH6 so pretty on OLED with HDR

[compact oriole]

if youre a rando sharing an opinion on a game you can say mixtape is a 10/10 cz thats your opinion. if youre paid to make "professional" reviews i think there are some objective indicators you should always take into consideration when making that review

[narrow junco]

Saying big sales = good game is a stupid way to go about things

[stiff fiber]

OK so mixtape is a 10 according to IGN and 500 persons are playing it right now according to steam chart. Crimson desert is a 6 according to IGN and 60k person are playing it right now.
But we are supposed to not criticize these journalist?????

[narrow junco]

Why do the player numbers matter to you at all

[stiff fiber]

because when a game is good people tends to play this game???

[narrow junco]

Thousands of people are eating mcdonalds rn but only 10 people are at 3 star michelin sushi restaurant so mcdonalds has to be better?

[compact oriole]

youre right. sometimes games are carried by their predecessors or for some other reason a games success doesnt match its quality. but for the most part in a vacuum in relation to the games size/advertisement, sales do kind of represent how "good" a game is conisdered

[stiff fiber]

wtf we are not allowed to criticize journalist reviewing like shit?

[narrow junco]

Your argument makes no sense

[stiff fiber]

no yours make no sense

[narrow junco]

And is based on a premise that is just not true

[stiff fiber]

I show you the number you give an opinion

[narrow junco]

Some of the best games out there will never reach the player numbers of gta 5 or call of duty but they are still way better

[stiff fiber]

in your world for some reason a game with 60k players should be less well evaluated in IGN than a game with 500 players it makes no sense

[narrow junco]

Doesnt have to be but it‘s possible

The player number has no bearing on the rating/quality

[stiff fiber]

the player number is the only judge

[compact oriole]

theres a correlation but not a causation

[proper basin]

Everyone should play lika aged through blood

[stiff fiber]

remind me of these shitty artist noone know but for some reason (among many other the money laundering) art critic love them

[proper basin]

Cod games and sports games prove this

[narrow junco]

Like, good games that have mass appeal are more likely to be successful but success has so many other factors that basing your opinion on a game‘s quality on it‘s sales numbers is just naive

[stiff fiber]

still you make no sense sorry

[ivory dune]

A game can be utter drivel and yet have a million playwrs

[narrow junco]

By your logic, marvel movie #12345 is better than the godfather

[stiff fiber]

I cannot even believe we are having this discussion. Crimson desert is a 6 in IGN and mixtape is a 10. You understand there is an issue????

[ivory dune]

No.

Are you okay?

[stiff fiber]

are you dumb or bad faith?

[ivory dune]

Crimsen Desert is a garbage quality game

[narrow junco]

The problem is that you… disagree with an opinion

[ivory dune]

Excuse me? Why are you so aggressive

[stiff fiber]

I dont care about your opinion I present fact you present feeling

[narrow junco]

Your facts are not real

[ivory dune]

Your facts do not corelate

[stiff fiber]

steam number are real check the people playing

[nimble current]

tbh player numbers aren't the best indicator of a game being good or not

[stiff fiber]

I am not making these numbers

[compact oriole]

not dumb but definitely biased

[nimble current]

millions play trash like fortnite or genshin impact

[compact oriole]

the whole story behind annapurna is also pretty weird. so this is an "indie" publisher that mostly publishes these weird unsuccessful identity games. all staff quit at the same time because of how shit it was there 2 years ago but the dad of the chick who runs it is one of the richest people in the world so they just hired a new team. and apparently they gave some pretty nice shit to reviewers for mixtape as well

[ivory dune]

Amount of players do not mean they're better games

[narrow junco]

Crimson desert is a great game for some people and not good for others. Maybe you are one of the people it is great for and the reviewer was one of the people it was bad for

[ivory dune]

Unless you'd argue Roblox is a high quality game

[narrow junco]

Nothing more to read into here

[nimble current]

and yes roblox too

[stiff fiber]

so a game giving joy to ten time more players is supposed to be a 6 and a game giving joy to ten time less people is supposed to be a 10. To me it is just insane

[small comet]

so i got only drift zones the goliath events and then the streetraces/story tours left

[nimble current]

makes sense to me

[ivory dune]

Because you fail to understand the metric used

[proper basin]

This on fh5?

[nimble current]

just because it appeals to a lot more people doesn't mean its good

[ivory dune]

If we graded the /10 on amount of players, sure

[nimble current]

usually its quite the contrary

[ivory dune]

But we don't, we grade on quality and execution, allegedly

[nimble current]

people have a strange affinity for trash

[stiff fiber]

honestly I really feel you guys are playing dumb just to contradict me so I will just stop talking

[ivory dune]

No, you're being stubborn and frankly, quite rude

[stiff fiber]

ok mixtape is a better than crimson desert 🤡

[proper basin]

Plus a writing publisher like ign have tons of writers that do reviews

No two writers opinions are to be the same

[narrow junco]

Maybe not in your opinion but someone could think that, yes

[narrow junco]

This as well, do we know if the same person reviewed crimson desert and mixtape?

[nimble current]

mcdonalds is more popular than most actual restaurants, does that mean mcdonalds has the best food?

[compact oriole]

theyre cheap

or used to be*

[proper basin]

Id assume that they didnt, ign has a big schedule afterall

[narrow junco]

I said that already but i think they decided to ignore an argument that would make them question their own logic

[ivory dune]

You could replace the macdonalds with anything, cars, mass produced copies vs the real paintings etc

[hardy merlin]

Ah, yes, Quality™

[compact oriole]

that argument makes no sense because the prices are very different and it doesnt translate into gaming. if it did indie games would always outsell AAA games

[nimble current]

idk tons of people still go there nowadays when you can get better things elsewhere

some people just like slop in various forms

[proper basin]

Hey thats quality asset clipping indeed

[ivory dune]

The argument makes perfect sense. You're just moving the goalposts now

[narrow junco]

I can go to the local food shop around the corner and get better food than mcd for cheaper but i still see more people walk into mcd

[compact oriole]

literally explained how it doesnt translate and all your argument is is: no youre wrong

[ivory dune]

Price is ALSO irrelevant in this comparison, just as amount of users is

It's not correlating to quality

[nimble current]

gacha is hugely popular despite barely being games half the time as much as a glorified waifu shop

[hardy merlin]

Of course

[narrow junco]

Also, d4 is worse than path of exile but gets more players so check mate

[proper basin]

Now put it on a man….

[nimble current]

player numbers are a poor metric for how good the game is

[compact oriole]

the reason mc donalds has become so huge is because it used to be cheap, on every corner and low effort (fast to procure and eat). theres many aspects that do not translate to games that youre trying to pass of as an argument that doesnt work

mc donalds you just order to go or you like sit down for 10 min to eat. you dont do that at a real restaurant. its also a culture and habit thing

you go to a restaurant usually to have an experience you stay longer. mc donalds is just eating something quickly

[nimble current]

much like slop games

quick dopamine hit

[ivory dune]

You're moving the goalposts so hard that we're not even having the same discussion anymore

[compact oriole]

instead of repeating the same non argument that says nothing how about you counter what im saying

[stiff fiber]

now they are comparing mixtape to gastronomy and crimson desert to macdonald 😂
It is typical from these elitist person explaining the whole world that everyone is dumb and dont understand art apart from them
seriously it is almost like every stereotype is filled

[ivory dune]

Guess what, I don't need to counter what you're saying.

[compact oriole]

how am i wrong when i explicitly state why you cannot compare mc donalds and michelin restaurants to game prices

[narrow junco]

Tell me, what is your favorite game of all time

[stiff fiber]

starcraft

[compact oriole]

thats awfully convenient, when you gotr nothing to say

[nimble current]

who said anything about michelin restaurants though

[compact oriole]

wizards restaurant argument was that before someone else said it again

[ivory dune]

Neither do you, clearly. But we are on a public forum, so yeah. I'll call out things I deem wrong whenever I feel like.

[stiff fiber]

so mixtape would be a video game for connaisseur and crimson desert a game for people not knowing video game?

[nimble current]

well in either case, player numbers still not representative of a games quality, I think ya'll oughta know that by now

[narrow junco]

Ok, do you think that bongo cat is a better game than starcraft cause it has more players on steam rn?

No?

[compact oriole]

i gave multiple explanations on why you cant compare it. all you said was some vague non argument to not have to engage

[proper basin]

They’re both just games

[narrow junco]

Quality != number of players

[nimble current]

didn't you guys grow up with awful tv shows that were somehow hugely popular

[outer pollen]

The Boys

[ivory dune]

You're now going off the assumption I need to engage to say anything

[outer pollen]

Stranger Things

[stiff fiber]

for me it is not. Now I am not working for IGN and I dont have to reflect the feeling of most gamer in the way I rate video game. Because if every reviewing in a journal give review for himself and his own taste what is the point of these video game critic? They are supposed to reflect the general opinion

[narrow junco]

Mixtape is a better game for people that like that kind of game and crimson desert is a better game for people that like that type of game instead

[nimble current]

nah those aren't awful, a bit overrated perhaps

[narrow junco]

It‘s really not that complicated

Not everything has to be for everyone all the time

[stiff fiber]

yet one game was rated as a 10, the other as a 6 on the same scale

[compact oriole]

thats how it usually works when you attack points made in an argument. now youre acting like thats not how it works when called out

[outer pollen]

10/10 level though? Cause that’s comparing it to MGS4

[stiff fiber]

yeah it is crazy

[ivory dune]

I'm saying you're twisting the argument to something we didn't even say or imply.

[outer pollen]

Like I know the girl from Mixtape, her dad is like a millionaire no?

[nimble current]

expedition 33 is a 10/10 to basically every game journalist but to me its turn based sleeping aid

[ivory dune]

We base a comparison on amount of people visiting establishments and you divert towards food quality. While that in itself isn't the point of the argument.

[stiff fiber]

well at least real gamers like it too

[proper basin]

Mgs3 better

[outer pollen]

I’m sorry but no

[nimble current]

am not saying mixtape is good or anything, or that game journalists opinions should be listened to

[outer pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-exe-gif-12890623297943149339

[compact oriole]

you compared games success to food sales between mcdonalds and real restaurants and i explained that it doesnt translate. i ask how it doesnt translate and all youre saying is: well it doesnt. and not a single time did i even mention food quality

[proper basin]

https://tenor.com/view/gorgeous-gif-20640589

[nimble current]

my only argument really is popularity doesn't equal quality

[stiff fiber]

I dont know why all these studio put years of development in game when you can make an interactive movie and get a 10 on IGN

[outer pollen]

The Clair Obscur and Arc Raider clowns

[narrow junco]

And did that change how much you enjoyed crimson desert? All the score reflects is how much the person writing the review (and the editor) enjoyed the game. There is nothing else behind it. I could roll up and say that i think borderlands 3 is a 10/10 and borderlands 2 is a 5/10 and you could disagree with me but at the end of the day that would just be my opinion. (To be clear i do not actually think this)

[ivory dune]

So you're telling me Mixtape and Crimson Desert target the same audience?

Because they don't.

[nimble current]

arc raiders is pretty gud though, but ultimately not really for me

[compact oriole]

honestly. take solace in knowing that ign and these other publications are dying and most people dont trust them either way

[stiff fiber]

look neither you and me are journalist and supposed to give grade reflecting the opinion of gamers

[narrow junco]

Nobody is saying that they are

[ivory dune]

They're not reflecting the opinion of gamers

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, look at League of Legends and Valorant

[nimble current]

why should they give opinions and scores that reflects what other people think

[ivory dune]

They're reflecting their own opinion

[nimble current]

good example

or like mentioned earlier, fuckin roblox

[compact oriole]

they clearly dont but within their genres one isnt a 10/10 and the other isnt a 6/10. as a rando you can have that opinion but as a professional reviewer there are objective criteria they should be using to inform their readers on a potential purchase

[narrow junco]

Reviewers are giving their opinion to the culture to make people think and talk and maybe look at new stuff

[stiff fiber]

they are not dying because even if noone read them their goal is to make the opinion not to be objective. Basically like every other new media. They dont care if they are losing money or dying...

[narrow junco]

Not to say definitively that you, the one Gamer person WILL like it

[compact oriole]

theyve all been firing most of their staff over the past 10 years and losing value, while also being replaced by AI

[narrow junco]

There are super acclaimed popular games i dont enjoy, there are games that some people call slop that i like

[hardy merlin]

Strength of critic is in consistency of their voice and opinion, so that so people can choose critics which are aligned with their interests
IGN sucks ass as critics, because this is an outlet of random people who are expressing their opinions

[narrow junco]

GTA V was not for me

if i was a reviewer and put out a review for the game i would have to be honest and say what i think

Not what i think the audience wants to hear

[stiff fiber]

it is the issue from which perspective exactly are they rating game? Who are they supposed to reflect?

[ivory dune]

This true, there's no uniformity. So, yes, on that I agree with you Not Larry

[outer pollen]

Mixtape, Arc Raiders, BG3, and Clair Obscur the Normie starter pack

[ivory dune]

You forgor bg3

[compact oriole]

i think even when you dont like a game or genre you can acknoledge that a game is good tho. i hate turn based games but i can acknoledge that e33 and bg3 are good games. but with ign its like imagine me working there and me having to write a review for it

[outer pollen]

Real

[stiff fiber]

honestly you cannot compare mixtape to the other ones. Check steam chart noone is playing mixtape

[nimble current]

you don't like them because there's no weeb trash in them be honest

[ivory dune]

I don't think even objectively Crimson Desert was a good game

Nor is Mixtape for that matter

[outer pollen]

Give me gacha or give me death

[ivory dune]

I'm not defending that rating at all

[stiff fiber]

mixtape is not a video game

[compact oriole]

for the experience you can get out of them i think both of them are good games

[nimble current]

sounds like a "sony game"

[hardy merlin]

If I like, say, strategies, I'm gonna pick a critic who is already well-versed in strategies, played hundreds of them and has tens of thousands of hours in them, over a dude from IGN who gets to do a review because he works at IGN and happened to play random strategy for 2 hours once

[nimble current]

games that are 90% cutscene

[ivory dune]

I think Crimson Desert shows a problem with AAA games

In the amount of cut corners

[compact oriole]

if you like the open world sandbox experience, crimson desert is an insane game. if you like a very focussed artsy audio and visual experience i think mixtape is hard to beat as well

[outer pollen]

Risk of Rain 2 should be a 10/10

[stiff fiber]

yeah that is why IGN is a media for boomer who buy game for their grandson I dont know who is reading them. Imagine you are offered mixtape for your birthday 😵‍💫

[ivory dune]

Because you don't like it

[nimble current]

I think mixtape is not for younger audiences

[narrow junco]

But that is because they have other aspects you like or because you heard lots of people praise them. If you‘re a reviewer and all you have to go off is the game in front of you, all you have to go off is the game itself and if it doesn‘t grab you, you cant really see what others think of it

[nimble current]

just take the name alone, who under 30 knows wtf a mixtape even is these days

[ivory dune]

I wouldn't be happy with Crimson Desert, which only indicates this particular review is more in line with me

[stiff fiber]

still people knowing nothing in video game looking to make a gift will consider offering it

[compact oriole]

if you go onto youtube you will see a big disparity in views between these shitty channels like ign and actual gaming content creators who focus on reviewing games. this is a problem that will solve itself

[hardy merlin]

I don't get it, what's the whole drama with Mixtape?

[nimble current]

well that's on their poor research and judgement

[outer pollen]

Industry plant game, IGN and a lot of reviewers gave it close to perfect scores

[stiff fiber]

the issue is that IGN gave it a 10, while noone is playing this game. Conversely IGN gave shitty review in game like crimson desert that are huge success

[compact oriole]

people mad that a game that didnt sell at all and barely qualifies as a game got a ton of high ratings compared to other games that did insanely well in sales got bad ratings

[nimble current]

why does it matter though

if you still enjoy something who gives a shit if someone gave it a 5/10

[stiff fiber]

because it just reflects how out of touch or corrupted journalist are

we dont know if they are one or the other

[nimble current]

I think people just likes being upset honestly

[outer pollen]

I do, no joke

If I can rile someone up I will

[stiff fiber]

no it is a trust issue you just cannot trust journalist

[compact oriole]

i think its mostly a principle thing. obv their shitty opinion doesnt change mine, but it shows that these reviewers do not use the same metrics as normal people do. theyre supposed to help readers make informed decision but then many of their reviews go completely against player sentiment

[nimble current]

"people" on average have horrible taste

[outer pollen]

Like I said yesterday, the fact that the journalist who couldn’t beat the tutorial for Cuphead loved Mixtape says a lot

[compact oriole]

how do they keep giving massively unsuccessful games where the games get shut down or the whole studio gets shut down ratings of 7 or higher. thats just insane

[nimble current]

but so do most games journalists

[stiff fiber]

how can this guy be a video game journalist I dont know

[outer pollen]

The thing I hate about Mixtape is how it’s trying to larp as an Indie game

[hardy merlin]

I mean - Annapurna, so people will cream on it no matter if it's good or bad
It's like going to Letterboxd and talking about A24 movies
Also from what I see a lot of these 10/10s are random no-name outlets

[stiff fiber]

I dont even hate mixtape I just hate how journalist are favoring this game for some reason

[ivory dune]

I thought annapurna was a dogfood brand

[compact oriole]

nah its a rich billionaires daughters way of larping as a publisher

[ivory dune]

Oh

Thanks, heh

[outer pollen]

They got Cocoon under their belt

[hardy merlin]

I mean, they have amazing games in their catalogue, Stray, Outer Wilds, Neon White
But lately they are just riding on the name

[compact oriole]

2 years ago literally all staff quit at once. but daddy just hired new people instead of closing it down

[ivory dune]

Stray is amazing

[stiff fiber]

in IGN?

[compact oriole]

they have a couple of gems for sure

[compact oriole]

annapurna the publisher

[stiff fiber]

oh ok

[hardy merlin]

Oh yeah, I remember
Strangely enough all the gems released while old staff was at the company

[outer pollen]

Gaming is shifting for sure

[proper basin]

So is marathon

[stiff fiber]

outer world is indie and a good game. Mixtape is not a game

[outer pollen]

Idk how Sony is still gonna try and save that game

[compact oriole]

stray and outer wilds were especially great games. stray was another very beautiful audio and visual experience

[stiff fiber]

it is turning into pve soon

[hardy merlin]

I'm so split on Marathon
Because I want the game to succeed, but I want Bungie to finally fail

[outer pollen]

And Cocoon

[proper basin]

It’s not too to them it’s up to bungie, Sony is cutting their losses

[stiff fiber]

pve marathon is probably the attempt of a d3

[outer pollen]

Bungie will never fail

[compact oriole]

theyre trying to follow player sentiment theyre getting from different sides quickly to hope and try to revive it

[outer pollen]

They created Halo

[fading spade]

BEANS

[ivory dune]

a gazillion years ago

[compact oriole]

what kind of game thats doing well needs a message by sony that theyre not abandoning it yet lol

[stiff fiber]

at one point IGN grade will get a negative correlation with game sales

like if you see a 10 in IGN you will guess it is a bad game

[compact oriole]

well theres a certain pattern with what kinda gamesign rates highly and which they dont

[ivory dune]

I think we all agree that quality doesn't equate to a higher grade per say at this point

[hardy merlin]

Yes, 3 good games over 20 years ago
That's their whole legacy

[outer pollen]

are we counting Reach?

Who made Halo Wars

[nimble current]

hot take: halo was never all that great, people just love it because it was the first decent shooter experience on console

[proper basin]

Ensemble studios

[outer pollen]

Ohhh Annapurna also had The Unfinished Swan, beautiful game

Dude they have a bunch of good games wtf

[compact oriole]

i agree. i dont think halo as an fps really holds up well and it was carried by being an exclusive on xbox

[outer pollen]

Donut County, Journey

[little cape]

terrible take

[nimble current]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star-patrick-fight-spongebob-fight-gif-2864188268401940708

[outer pollen]

Halo thrived because the living room hadn’t been killed yet imo

[hardy merlin]

Bungie now is an equivalent of some random dude buying Maxis trademark from EA and promoting their new Battle Royale game as "coming from legendary studio who created The Sims"

[proper basin]

Yes annapurna had a lot of good games in its belt with the original companies crew

[little cape]

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-punch-fight-gif-13599924