🎮│game

[fading spade]

it sort of happens with Steam Deck, a lot of popular games are targetting a good performance profile for the Deck and therefor, itll run better on better hardware more easily

[fringe salmon]

no its not sort of happening, adding a profile for a more popular common denominator has nothing to do with using it as a baseline

it just doesnt sell enough for that to happen

[outer pollen]

oh yeah steam controller tomorrow right

[sinful cobalt]

yep

[fading spade]

yeh <3 its 6pm for me... ugh gonna have to wait so long to get the chance to buy it before it sells out in 5 seconds

[outer pollen]

getting one?

[sinful cobalt]

im thinking about it

[fading spade]

Are they pre-orders or outright purchase and immediate shipping?

Like will we be pre-ordering and they send out in batches or will they be shipping on demand as they are bought?

[sinful cobalt]

it says available for purchase

[fading spade]

Yeah, still worried a little bit, still PTSD from the Steam Deck basically a year of waiting for my batch to ship

after already waiting to be able to place the order

[outer pollen]

I like the idea of being able to play strategy games with the touch pads, I know I can just use my Keyboard and Mouse, but idk

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-cute-cat-cat-meme-smiling-gif-10086598795453609558

[sinful cobalt]

tbh im not a fan of the touch pads

[outer pollen]

I like them on my steamdeck

[sinful cobalt]

i don't have a steamdeck

i never tried a steamdeck

so its hard to say how i feel about it

[outer pollen]

I thought they were gonna be dumb before the steamdeck but found myself enjoying them a lot

[sinful cobalt]

tho i would gonna get myself a Rog Ally Z1 Extreme

[outer pollen]

On paper it sounds amazing honestly, I'd love one if I didn't have a steamdeck already

[fading spade]

I use the touchpads for desktop navigation, shortcuts for emulation and for aiming finely along with gyro in fps games

And in Minecraft... I use them to toggle camera and gamemode quickly

And open chat in most games that I use chat on

And I won't have to remake all my controller profiles when I get the steam controller because it just uses the same profile the deck does because it's got the exact same inputs

[outer pollen]

I do like all those custom layouts people make and you can just choose to run

[fading spade]

The customisation can get overwhelming.... I still haven't a clue how to assign a two button action to an entry in the radial menus on the touchpads yet ;_;

[sinful cobalt]

tbh never found custom layouts good enough

but i don't use my controller other than for racing games

[outer pollen]

One of the factorio layouts was really good on steamdeck

[fading spade]

Idk how to make it hold f3 and press F4 until I let go to change Minecraft game mode
So my key binding is just one key that changed survival and creative

[hot spire]

https://kotaku.com/reggie-fils-aime-says-nintendo-stopped-selling-to-amazon-after-being-asked-to-break-the-law-2000692699

[red bronze]

steam deck is cool for racing because you can also use the gyro to steer (can also use in fps for fine tuning)

[sinful cobalt]

i suck with controller in fps titles

[fading spade]

I suck at them on kb&m too

[sinful cobalt]

for me FPS is KB+m

[fading spade]

but Im close to kb&m on the Deck cause of the touchpads and gyro

titanfall 2 feels AMAZING with gyro <3

so does COD, the few that work on Linux

[sinful cobalt]

yeah i grew up with kb&m for FPS games

soo i don't have the reason to change

• i don't give a shit what pro players use in cod or any other FPS title

[fading spade]

black ops 3 runs very very well on my Fedora install these days <3 though the loading time from starting the game to getting into the match is so stupidly long cause it needs to spend ages checking for shit

[stiff fiber]

I dont understand how gyro work you move the controller itself right?

[outer pollen]

only game I use controller is Splatoon and Gyro when I'm being sweaty

[outer pollen]

yeah

[fading spade]

yeh like you are moving a mouse but you can do it in 3d instead of just a flat plane

[stiff fiber]

So you aim with gyro?

[sinful cobalt]

I have a good controller

[nimble current]

but you're just moving the mouse in a 2D plane on your screen too

[fading spade]

i tend to aim 90% of the way with the sticks, then adjust using touchpad and gyro to get the fine granular aiming

[nimble current]

[fading spade]

I only activate gyro when holding the trigger to aim down sights

so its only enabled when fully aiming

[stiff fiber]

Honestly it sounds complicated

[fading spade]

takes some getting used to but it feels just as natural as a mouse once you do

and you get the speed and shit set to your preferences

I like that steamInput adds gyro input to literally any game you run even if the game has no system whatsoever to natively handle gyro
steamInput gyro is literally just telling the game you are moving the mouse

[stiff fiber]

It is on the steam deck?

[fading spade]

yep yep

[stiff fiber]

I should try it

[fading spade]

though gyro takes more effort to use on Deck cause you have to move the whole damn handheld, luckily its a fairly lightweight device and the grips are nice and comfy to hold

technically you can use steamInput gyro on any controller that had gyro built into it, as steamInput can use that

[stiff fiber]

Honestly you are the first person I hear using it

[fading spade]

gyro is under-rated 😅

you can see clips on youtube about the OG steam controller and the Steam Deck of people using gyro in FPS games very closely to the performance of using a kb&m

combined with flick stick to immediately turn 180 degrees and its a hella powerful system once you get the skills for using it right

[stiff fiber]

Yeah going to watch some video probably the kind of thing you need to see it or experience it to understand

[fading spade]

yeh for sure!

[sinful cobalt]

you kinda need to play with it

[fading spade]

im also getting the steam controller cause its 100% Linux compatible

Which is why I also like Wooting 💜 cause I can do all my config and updating on Linux for my keyboard

[autumn depot]

he is always right even if he is wrong

[sinful cobalt]

my controller skill level in cod

[stiff fiber]

I am mainly a mouse and keyboard person but it could be nice playing a fps from the couch

I dont like controller for fps

[sinful cobalt]

neither me xd

[fading spade]

same here, I can get by fairly ok on the deck though

and for games that dont run well on Deck, I stream from my PC so I can use the touchpads and gyro

[stiff fiber]

But does gyro completly replace the right stick when you play?

[fading spade]

Currrently playing Wild Bastards on the Deck and its a great experience despite parts of the gameplay being a western duel fps situation

[sinful cobalt]

no

[fading spade]

no, you can make it activate however you like it to
By default, its only triggered when you touch the right stick

but like I said before, I only enable it when aiming down sights when I pull the left trigger

default, the right stick knows when you are touching it and activates the gyro but I hate that cause then gyro is enabled the entire time when you dont want it to be for when you are just walking around the map or whatever

with my method to enable only when aiming down the sights, I can still use right stick and touchpads to broadly aim and fine tune, then get the final micro-adjustments with gyro for when I actually take the shot at the target

[stiff fiber]

Yeah I understand

[proper basin]

Splatoon

[fading spade]

xd

soooonnnnnnnnnn

[autumn depot]

as much as Id like to hatewatch anythin pirate software related I dont want to give internet anarchist any traction

corporate speech sloptuber

gossip magazines turned into shitty youtube channels

[sinful cobalt]

my youtube algo is half DarkViperAU and anything else

[cold anvil]

I genuinely do not know how I lost my skill on controller, I was playing controller my whole life now I can barely aim with it

[hasty belfry]

I played Halo tournaments on the original Xbox using inverted aiming and later quit, I got an Xbox 360 and Halo 3 and I can't do inverted anymore to save my life.

[small comet]

i assume you moved to or out of australia inbetween those 2 points

which explains everything

[hot spire]

wouldnt the controller also be upside down, thus canceling it out?

[small comet]

na cause its a non aussie controller

[cold anvil]

@outer pollen

Ignore the fire alarm beeps

Quinella from SAO got with my friend lmao

[hot spire]

get some damn 9v

[cold anvil]

No…. I.. dont feel like it……

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

[pure spade]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-sip-gif-25933597

The Amount of stupid people that need an electrician because their fire alarms have to be ragebait

Dont get me wrong, easiest money ill ever make

But why do people not know to simply change a battery...

[small comet]

how do people live with dying fire alarms

[bleak pike]

How's ya neck

[small comet]

isnt that shii annoying af after a few minutes

[bleak pike]

Well, tbf

I definitely can't replace mine

[little cape]

some people get use to it

[bleak pike]

But I agree, I couldn't cope.

[small comet]

i get that but then id ask someone to replace it

[little cape]

think of it like living beside railroad with an active train

i always change my batteries when i need to

[cold anvil]

Dude my tv aint that high lol

[small comet]

did that and i heard basically nothing unless the window was open

[cold anvil]

It becomes background noise tbh

[little cape]

idk i have pets so i be more mindful of them

[cold anvil]

Funnily enough we did change the battery once it started doing it again we didn’t

I dont remember how long its been since we changed the battery

[bleak pike]

I think here the council will do it

As its a service provided by law

Same with co2 etc

[little cape]

oh yeah you cant fuck around with co2 detector

[pure spade]

Smoke alarms are nothing any technician should be needed for

They're not connected to anything

[bleak pike]

And if you ever get a gas leak you get treated to loads of free goodies including portable induction hobs

As they don't want you to use cookers for awhile

The place we bought our cooker from messed up the installation... Thankfully I smelt it and we got an emergency gas person out.

[bleak pike]

I'm in a wheelchair

It ain't about technical hahahaha

[pure spade]

Well, I mean that is definitely a reason then. Didn't mean to make it sound like that 😭

But Smoke detectors are simply to alert the resident

[bleak pike]

Hahah it didn't sound like that

You are most definitely right, there's no excuse not to.

Even a neighbor can come around if help is needed and you don't have anyone etc

[pure spade]

Meant like anyone can get someone to do it and it's easy as unplugging the 9V and plugging a new one in

[pure spade]

Yeah exactly, get them a beer or eat with them and it's done

[bleak pike]

Personally I don't joke about them because if a fire occurred I'm extremely vulnerable and have to get into my chair and get out, seconds matter.

The same could be said about anyone tbf

But I'm sure you get where im coming from

Even a single second is vital

[orchid prism]

Depends.

[pure spade]

Thats true, thats why they alert you even when you dont want them to xD

[orchid prism]

In newer buildings they may be wired out collectively throughout the building - Or even the local fire department.

[pure spade]

PIR sensor Smoke Alarms are usually installed afterwards

[orchid prism]

Rentals here. It's installed from the landlord, or not at all.

[pure spade]

Those would be Fire alarms then, connected to a "BMZ"

In Germany that is, at least. Sorry, dont know the translation :(

[orchid prism]

You can call them what you want. To the end user it is a little box that goes BEEP if it gets pissy about the battery, or you're cooking.

[pure spade]

Thats true yeah, I was talking about the ones you can just glue to the ceiling :)

Because there is a difference, but thats too technical as well. It just gets really annoying driving for 3 Hours to a customer just to find out its less than a minute of work :')

[sinful cobalt]

well i had fun unlocking Black Ops 7 Multiplayer Singularity

[pure spade]

👎 Boycotting cod this year

it looks fun but the prices are just stupid for what you get

But as long as you enjoy it c:

[sinful cobalt]

tbh cod was always about multiplayer and zombies if its treyarch

[pure spade]

Valid

MWIII was a banger, BO6 was fun when they added the MW19 Weapons

But I dont see myself playing day to day like i did with MW19

would still be my main game if they added anti cheat

[sinful cobalt]

that not gonna happen

im the weirdo here but mw19 is kinda mid xd

[pure spade]

i know i know

[pure spade]

its overhyped for sure

[grizzled quarry]

Went back and played it for a bit when it went on sale

Had a blast but the normal players started to die down again

Snd is back to mostly hvh 😔

[pure spade]

yea sadly

[grizzled quarry]

Felt so good to be back though

[pure spade]

oh yea for sure

MWIII is fun but its becoming the same as MW19

slowly

[grizzled quarry]

I simply cant enjoy mw3

Perm dead silence is just so lame to me

[pure spade]

I just enjoy good guns and decent movement

No game had the love from the devs as 19 tho

[fading spade]

why it be taking 9 minutes to login with microslop in games these days?

[hardy merlin]

pulls out ancient scroll titled "Microsoft is a corporation that turns 'Microsoft CEO claims 30% of its new code is written by AI' into..." and length of several hundred meters

[fading spade]

[bleak pike]

@vapid lintel http://mrpl.me/bWpcWi.mp4

I wish it was end of clone wars ero ahsoka

[vapid lintel]

Why tag me in this, just because it has a star wars skin doesn't mean it's star wars

[bleak pike]

Because it a combo of star warsa and something you hate

[cyan pewter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CLTuK5jw3E

[cold anvil]

I liked mw22

[fervent shell]

definitely the best ahsoka we have gotten

[pure spade]

The MW 2? It was okay, visual recoil was Hella annoying tho

[sinful cobalt]

MW22 had the 2nd best campaign after mw19

And for third i would put Cold War

[small comet]

mw19 was a nice campaign, mw2 22 i cant say i liked the campaign really.

i think my favorite campaign is probably original mw

[silk zephyr]

og mw2 or cod4 campaign best (imo)

mw3 campaign also kinda goated for story

[small comet]

i wish i could forget blackops story cause the twist at the end just got me hard

[silk zephyr]

the oldschool mw3 campaign, not the new one

[silk zephyr]

it was good up until cold war

[small comet]

well i mean just blackops the game not the subseries

[sinful cobalt]

Cold War is good as a new gen campaign

[mellow gust]

damn bro, imagine being so trash that you had to use aimbot

like imagine

[mellow garden]

Send this to a Linux gamer

@hardy merlin

[manic owl]

autech gtr? those are neat as hell

[cyan pewter]

it havent been seen in game

its just in the game files

[manic owl]

i mean nismo has one not hard to scan despite them only making 400ish

[outer pollen]

everyone wish me luck

1 down

Damn I didn't get Tragodia

[maiden tulip]

https://fortune.com/2026/05/01/ebay-stock-gamestop-takeover-bid-ryan-cohen/

[young hill]

Weird

Thought eBay would be worth more

[hot spire]

it is

they may just have enough cash to buy a big enough stake to takeover

[young hill]

oh i see like shareholder

[hot spire]

but yeah crazy

gamestop may own some of its locations

and can leverage that realestate to get enouigh cash

yeah

"secured a commitment letter from TD Bank to provide about $20 billion in debt financing for a deal. "

so they can come up with 36b, and then can get a loan aginst ebays value for the rest

[cold anvil]

spingtap :>

[young hill]

I also distracted him with a flashlight near the end. Though I gave it up after he was motionless at the gate.

[novel umbra]

wtf is lizard mode

[outer pollen]

"Lizard mode" is a basic setup the controller has when Steam isn't even active in the background.”

[novel umbra]

ah

[outer pollen]

According to random Redditor

[orchid prism]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-lizardmeme-lizardbutton-ACeIDlMpgc4yOf1Lyt

[trim rock]

• This controller has a builtin emulation of mouse and keyboard: the right pad
• can be used as a mouse, the shoulder buttons are mouse buttons, A and B
• buttons are ENTER and ESCAPE, and so on. This is implemented as additional
• HID interfaces.
• This is known as the "lizard mode", because apparently lizards like to use
• the computer from the coach, without a proper mouse and keyboard.

[outer pollen]

I got him

[small comet]

not even dinput compatible?

damn so xbox controllers just work better out of the box then (and gullikit etc)

[compact oriole]

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1t10m3f/new_yorks_new_age_verification_law_will_ban/

[trim leaf]

Yeah, same with the older Steam controller. Steam input can be both great and terrible

[stiff fiber]

how to stop thinking about video games all day? These last months it became an issue I am outside I cannot wait to go home for gaming, I am at work all I do is thinking about games or checking youtube video of gaming, even before sleeping I watch video games video. And as soon as I am home I play. I am an adult I shouldnt have to behave like this but I dont even know why I developped this at my age

[hardy merlin]

This is straight up wrong, there's also Desktop configuration for Steam controller, that everyone seems to forget about, you don't need to be in Big Picture, and works with games outside Steam, Steam Input just emulates an input device then

[fallow bronze]

wth is lizard mode

[vital wren]

[hardy merlin]

KB+M mode
On Steam Controller and Deck you basically have this configuration when Steam is not running

L2 is Right click, R2 is Left click
Left touchpad is scroll, but up and down, not in circle, like with Steam turned on
Right touchpad is mouse, pressing it is left click
D-pad is arrows, A is Enter, B is Esc

[novel umbra]

source: some dude on reddit

[fallow bronze]

nice

[hardy merlin]

This I checked myself, Aero asked me

[novel umbra]

source: some dude on discord

[hardy merlin]

https://tenor.com/bSypF.gif

[scarlet marlin]

speaking of 3ds. Ive gotten back into using mine and the one I bought in Japan (3ds is region locked). I wanted to play my new miku game only to found out I bought a Japanese copy of the western version I already had

https://giphy.com/gifs/miku-hatsune-project-mirai-FE2lSCEQKRRCYm0Ia5

shouldve paid better attention. cause theres a version that didnt release in the west

[mellow garden]

[scarlet marlin]

ooh well, theres always next time

and maybe I can make someone else happy with my copy

I wish they were gonna release a new one

its so much to play and so cute

https://youtu.be/Et9bRXuc8iE?si=NBwvFuq2EyUELlBR

[outer pollen]

Maybe I will get steam controller

Since I don’t need to spend extra money on gacha

[outer pollen]

I hate life for not having this

[fallow bronze]

im not even gonna ask wtf that is

[sinful cobalt]

Arknights

Its a gacha tower defense game

[fallow bronze]

ah, games praying on the weak

[sinful cobalt]

It has a pretty good story tho

But yeah its a gacha game

[silk zephyr]

now i just need to play the game for radianite

[fading spade]

Because of Albert Einstien, we are able to travel between minecrat dimensions without breaking the laws of physics
I love this game xd

https://youtu.be/nFvKw-cWywM

[outer pollen]

PEAK gameplay

[hot spire]

smh, how else are kids supposed to learn new slurs?

[fading spade]

Why does the new lego game use UE5?! They literally have their own engine they used for the previous games

[fringe salmon]

the previous game you mean the lego horizon game made in UE5 where nobody complained about it?

[fading spade]

wait only the skywalker ones had their own engine

[fervent shell]

do you mean the new lego batman game?

[fervent shell]

yeah, they made something brand new for skywalker

[fading spade]

yep

[fervent shell]

that game was honestly so much fun

i completed it 100%

[fading spade]

Recommended 12th gen intel or ryzen 7
16gb ram
RTX 2070 8GB

to get 1080p 30fps at medium settings upscaled to 1440p@60fps

[fringe salmon]

can we maybe not repeat the exact same argument we had in this channel yesterday about the game

[small comet]

correct. most games before used Nu2

[trim rock]

It's that time of the day again

[fading spade]

yehhhh, why the switch to UE5? just curious about it

[small comet]

because they dont need to maintain their own engine

[fringe salmon]

easier to work with, less crunch, easier to get new talent for a public open engine

[fervent shell]

TT games said that NTT (the proprietary engine) proved to be incredibly difficult to use and was missing basic features that had become industry standard, it was inefficient and many developers actually begged them to switch to unreal engine mid-development
Unreal Engine has the benefits of better graphics and would reduce cost overall

[small comet]

in general the games never did anything that UE for example wouldnt be able to

and asset reusing also wasnt much of a thing

[fading spade]

yeh but the game wouldnt require frame gen to get more than 30FPS if it wasnt on ue5

[fringe salmon]

for fucks sake please dont just regurgitate shit some youtube said without any knowledge

[fading spade]

the official spec sheet said*

[fringe salmon]

no

you said the engine is at fault for that

[fervent shell]

that's not true

[fading spade]

every part of the official specs require frame gen to reach that target performance

[fringe salmon]

we have absolutely no idea how the game runs, how efficent code patsh are and if the old engine could even have run this game

for all we know using NTT engine the min spec woudl have been 720p30fps with frame gen

[fervent shell]

just look at games like Valorant, they are also made in Unreal Engine 5 and yet heavily optimized and run really well

[fading spade]

^

yeah valorant is a very well made game in pretty much all areas, I will give them that

[small comet]

so the engine isnt at fault

great we had this discussion

[fading spade]

no, its just harder to optimise it, right?

[fervent shell]

it's the developers not giving a crap about their games performance

[fringe salmon]

no

no the reason is: there is no single reaosn that is universally applicable

[fervent shell]

but i would assume they can get better performance with UE5 just because developers have a better time and the experience than if they used a proprietary engine

[fringe salmon]

sometimes its dev skill issue sometimes its time crunch sometimes its managment sometimes its some mix of them etc.

sometimes its using an engine feature that wasnt intended for the case so is that now the engines fault for providing it or the devs fault for using it or the management for wanting it etc.

but unreal itself alone can never be the issue since you can literally just use any part and change other code that you want to make a fork of the engine

[peak thorn]

Anyone has a Fortnite prebuilt for the wooting 60He+?

[fervent shell]

exactly

[ivory dune]

That's not true at all :(

[fervent shell]

what is a "fortnite prebuilt for wooting"?

[fringe salmon]

it's sometimes the case

[fervent shell]

unfortunately it often is the case

[fringe salmon]

wouldn't say its often though

[peak thorn]

Like a profile

[fervent shell]

check #🌈│wootabase_profiles

[ivory dune]

Devs care very much, the issue is crunch and horrible pressure from the board to release

[fringe salmon]

sometimes, not always

[fervent shell]

yes

[ivory dune]

Often, I disagree with this word. I'm a tech artist

[fringe salmon]

the same way unreal isnt the thing to blame, devs are not always free of blame either

[ivory dune]

Most devs are extremely passionate about the things they create

The outliers are usually the sloppy run of the mill crap

[fringe salmon]

yes but you can be passionate but have different goals, dont think more fps are needed, focus on other aspects of it etc.

you can be passionate but forgo some parts of a game that you dont care about that result to lower performanc etc. its all not very one dimensional

[ivory dune]

But that implies devs just willy nilly create unoptimised stuff :( We have very high standards (usually) in terms of assets and style. If you don't get those from above I would say it's a communication problem perpetuated by the leadership

I think we're saying the same thing anyway

:p

[trim rock]

I would damn well hope they want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy it, which does mean making something that runs well

Sadly as hardware gets more powerful the need for optimization goes down

[fringe salmon]

sure but some people just treat it like a regular job, or dont care about it running good on everything or have the opinion 30fps is fine etc.

[ivory dune]

The issue is the disconnect between asset artists and the engine/tech artists

Nobody ever says "30 fps is what we're aiming for" in a business setting to my experience

It's usually just bad management and miscommunication

[fringe salmon]

aiming for usually no, but there are cases where thats the minimum and everything above is only a optional goal

[small comet]

i assume they say "money is what were aiming for" in a business setting and the studio devs then have to be sad about it

[ivory dune]

I don't think you're wrong btw, just that my experience has (luckily) been different so far

[pure bear]

i love money!!!

[fervent shell]

things should still be optimised
good hardware does not justify bad code

[ivory dune]

Like, at Larian we had so so so many style and resource guides, down to like how high a glove could be up the wrist to avoid clipping

But many of these big big companies are so mismanaged

That that never reaches the artist

[fervent shell]

it's really sad to see

[ivory dune]

Yeah :(

[fallow bronze]

a lot of bad code is good enough till a certain point

[fringe salmon]

funniest example to me that not everyone just thinks with their head well at times: the reason the PS3 has 8 and not 6 cores is because the lead architect thought "well 8 is a beautiful number" that caused such an issue on that console

[fervent shell]

theyre not wrong, is a better number

[hardy merlin]

Peak engineering

[fallow bronze]

hexagon bestagon

[fringe salmon]

yeah caused the price to go up and in reality you basically only had 7 cores you could use do to yield

[hardy merlin]

I mean, it is quite pretty

[fallow bronze]

meh, i do not care how the die looks.

[fringe salmon]

ps3 was also just one of the worst chips to program for lmao

[hardy merlin]

Unholy Japanese/IBM Power-PC-based chip which was designed to be used in embedded and specialized systems, I wonder why

[hasty belfry]

Finally acquired one of these without spending 300 on eBay, only Halo Reach one left now.

[cold anvil]

Nerd

[hasty belfry]

The boxes look so good, made for displaying!

[hardy merlin]

93 minutes

[small comet]

i wish the 360 controllers didnt wear so fast on the sticks

[hasty belfry]

The secret to that is to never use them 😄

[small comet]

i couldnt do that

if i buy electronics its mainly for use

[hasty belfry]

I like the Xbox 360 and newer controllers because no built in battery so nothing that will leak inside the box.

[small comet]

isnt the series controllers all built in

[cold anvil]

Bonnie might be interested in half life

[small comet]

none of the look like morgan freakman

[cold anvil]

No but we got Gordon

He’s freeman

[hasty belfry]

Nopp, only on the Elite. The regular takes normal batteries or the battery pack.

[red bronze]

you can buy hall effect controllers too, they don't suffer from stick drift

gamesir sells them iirc

[small comet]

i meant the tops. my 360 has no drift basically

[hasty belfry]

360 and PS3 no drift because 20% deadzone lol

[cold anvil]

I dont think controller drift was an issue till 8th gen consoles

[red bronze]

stick drift is inherent with the technology, it is what it is

[hasty belfry]

When they reduced the desdzone so PS4 and One

[red bronze]

potentiometers just wear out over time and change resistance values causing drift

[hasty belfry]

You could still have drift but it wasn't nearly as noticeable

[cold anvil]

Not saying it didn’t exist just saying it wasn’t really prevalent until then

[red bronze]

deadzone surely helps against it i guess

my friend consumed like 10 xbox controllers because of drift so i just bought him a hall effect controller

[small comet]

i also cant use he sticks on elite series 2 cause the gullikit ones arent compaTible sith oem stick tops and dont have a tension system

[hasty belfry]

I've never had drift on a controller, not that I've been able to spot anyway BUT my Xbox One Halo 5 controller has an issue with the d-pad where it spamclicks a direction instead of holding

So clicking left once in a meny an fit will click like 10 times

[red bronze]

maybe take some compressed air to it, might be something stuck

[red bronze]

does it have to be a wireless controller?

[hasty belfry]

Maybe, I have taken it apart and swapped sticks on it and caps from scuf and I did try to fix it at that time

I might just get a new PCB for it I hate clicky switches they always go mushy or break

[small comet]

no but the series 2 is the best controller i found so far from features to shape and stick placement

[red bronze]

not sure if it's exactly the same but it looks like it

[hasty belfry]

I like my Series 2 but I don't like rubber grips it feels so stupid and tacky and it will swell and break eventually

[red bronze]

honestly best "fitting" controller i have is my hotas set lmao

that thing is so comfy to use

[hasty belfry]

Razer sells a similar dock for the normal Xbox controllers

[red bronze]

i haven't used xbox controllers in a while, they're nice until you have to type something hahaha

[hasty belfry]

360 controller with keyboard attachment:D

[red bronze]

the og

i've seen someone playing call of duty, raging and shit talking through controller alone.. it was mildly impressive

[small comet]

well are the stick tops replacable? and what about stick tensioning? also like that i get 4 on controller profiles, adjustable trigger pull and optional 4 backpaddles

[fading spade]

ONE MORE HOUR TO THE STEAM CONTROLLER

[small comet]

oh and swapable cross cover to go between 4 way and 8way

[stiff fiber]

muscle memory for writing how you love the mom of your opponent

[small comet]

the og is the 360 one

of this

[sinful cobalt]

[small comet]

that one didnt have a chat pad

[small comet]

also also the duke was better

[red bronze]

yes

[red bronze]

idk, i'm not into controllers that much

[red bronze]

i suppose so, it's surprising how fast some people can type with a controller

[young hill]

duke still exists hyperskin sells a 20th anniversary variant

[hasty belfry]

As a kid it was not, I couldn't reach the black/white buttons when they were at the top

[small comet]

heard only bad stuff about the rereleases

[cold anvil]

Rumors of the steam machine costing around $600-$650 (usd) are surfacing

Would love to believe this but I think all hope is lost

[small comet]

isnt that the same rumors as when they announced it

[trim rock]

I'll believe it when I see it

[hardy merlin]

https://store.steampowered.com/hardware/steamcontroller <t:1777914000:R>

[verbal nymph]

meanwhile in some part of the world

[mellow garden]

Can’t wait to rub my pads

[fading spade]

the mansenites

[hasty belfry]

What is 10am pacific for normal people with 24h clock?

[fading spade]

18:00

[hardy merlin]

EU? 19:00

[fading spade]

its 8 minutes away

[hasty belfry]

Damn, how much does Valve usually charge for shipping?

[hardy merlin]

For Deck it was free iirc

[fading spade]

ye I think it was for deck

5 minbutes <3

[verbal nymph]

It's kinda pain that valve doesn't sell it here, even Singapore don't have it. My hope now is reseller selling it at a markup price (prop $120 at best, $150+ at worst) or somehow have somebody I know buy it for me in other region (which I don't have).

[hasty belfry]

Going to go from "Coming Soon" to "Out of stock" right away 😄

[fading spade]

YEH PROBABLY

[hardy merlin]

With OLED there was a ton of stock, only hoping that it will be the same this time too

[hasty belfry]

I'm buying one for reasons

[stiff fiber]

I am going to buy 10 and sell you them for 150 euros

[mellow garden]

Just ordered one

[hasty belfry]

15 euro each, very nice of you.

[stiff fiber]

No

That will be 200 euros for you btw

[hardy merlin]

[hardy merlin]

Had the same, just click next

[fading spade]

it wont let me continue

[hardy merlin]

Try to refresh, looks like there's good amount of stock and servers are not sad

@vapid lintel You got yours?

[fading spade]

IT WONT WORK WTF

[hardy merlin]

Remove from cart and start again?

[trim rock]

Mmm.. controls..

[fading spade]

ITS OUT OF STOCK

[trim rock]

Is it?

[fringe salmon]

no

[hardy merlin]

[hasty belfry]

Doesn't work for me either, also just get the error.

I tried paypal and mastercard as well, same issue.

[fading spade]

yeh

[stiff fiber]

Sorry guys but I got some if you want it is 150 euros

For @hasty belfry it is 200 euros

[hardy merlin]

Lots of people have the same issue
Apparently waiting for like 15 seconds and then hard refresh with Ctrl+Shift+R helps

[fading spade]

on that checkout page?

[hasty belfry]

Worked now

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, on page where you had an error

[fading spade]

no good

[stiff fiber]

If you cannot get one it means in the grand scheme of things it is not the right time for you and eventually in the future you will have one

[fading spade]

NEEDD NOW

[hasty belfry]

I removed åäö from my shipping address and it worked, hope it doesn't fuck anything up.

[hardy merlin]

Nah, don't worry, seems like stock is big enough

[trim rock]

I'm sure the post man can figure it out

[fading spade]

it because I don have a state / province in my address???

[trim leaf]

I tried adding it, no difference

[hasty belfry]

I can't added province either on the billing address, only shipping.

[hardy merlin]

Then Steam will automatically correct and suggest fixed address

[fading spade]

I cant add, we dont have states

[hasty belfry]

Dunno why they are different.

[trim leaf]

Not provinces either?

[fading spade]

technically yes but they are never used in the address

[vapid lintel]

Getting that same error

[hasty belfry]

My shipping address is correct, billing is not really but billing doesn't matter because I already paid no?

[trim leaf]

Same, I only add it when it is required by the site I'm ordering from

[trim leaf]

Me too 🙁

[stiff fiber]

If you dont add a state you cannot order even if there is none in your country?

[hardy merlin]

Maybe problems with card payment?

[vapid lintel]

Don't even get to payment options

[stiff fiber]

Or the server are saturated?

[fading spade]

Im trying to use my steam wallet to pay

[hardy merlin]

I used Steam wallet too, no problems

[hasty belfry]

1076kr with bank taking 21kr for the currency exchange, could be worse I guess.

Last time I bought a game on Steam, am big spender:

0.02 from wallet, using that money I worked for.

Wonder what they ship with, if lucky could get it this week maybe.

[fading spade]

STILL NOT WORKING

[hasty belfry]

Keep clicking the continue button worked for me lol

[mellow garden]

I got mine

[hardy merlin]

Now for clout you can add Steam controller to your showcase by going to Edit Profile > Showcase Manager and pasting SetShowcaseConfig(2, 0, slot, {appid: 4165870}), changing slot to 0-11

[stiff fiber]

Please all the people who got it make a review for us

[verbal nymph]

yesss

[hasty belfry]

It's so good 10/10 no buyers remorse

[verbal nymph]

I wanna know if it worth the reseller markup lmao

[hardy merlin]

Looks like first batch is out

[fading spade]

I AM OMFH

[trim leaf]

Great...

[hasty belfry]

Try using browser or something instead I dunno :<

[sinful cobalt]

ah yes major release on steam

like this doesn't happened everytime

[hardy merlin]

There were problems with payment every time

[novel estuary]

Making it the storefront banner certainly won't help

[hasty belfry]

Do you have money? 😄

[sinful cobalt]

im just gonna wait a month for this shit

[stiff fiber]

Me I am saving for an oled

[sinful cobalt]

but i might just skip the controller xd

[hardy merlin]

Yeah, in-browser may work

[trim rock]

Skipping it, if I didn't already have a DualSense for all my controllery needs I would have gotten one

[trim leaf]

Tried both the client and browser

[sinful cobalt]

tbh yeah im happy with my DualSense

[stiff fiber]

The secret of happiness is being content with what we have

[hasty belfry]

Found this in purchase history best investment I've made lol

[trim leaf]

I don't know where I've put the dongle for my Steam Controller (v1)

[sinful cobalt]

tbh i would be the one little weirdo who would use the new steam controller wired xd

[hardy merlin]

Meanwhile I'm making a dongle to make my DualSense wireless

[hasty belfry]

I dunno what I'm going to use mine for yet...

[sinful cobalt]

im not even gonna buy it

i have a perfectly fine PS 5 DualSense controller

[vital wren]

meanwhile, I am waiting for amazon to refund my money so I can reorder the OLED

[hasty belfry]

I have the old one so I need the new one, NEEEED IT.

[trim leaf]

I barely play games with a controller either but I want it for the rare times I do

[sinful cobalt]

with maybe a small little stick drift but its not something that i can't fix

[hasty belfry]

This is denial, you need it too.

[hardy merlin]

Akko do this https://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/1sz3roa/psa_since_sony_wont_make_a_pc_dongle_for_the/
5€ RPi Pico

[sinful cobalt]

just for forza.. nope

[sinful cobalt]

no

[fading spade]

OMFH YES IT WORKED

[sinful cobalt]

im happy with wired controller

[trim leaf]

Did you do anything special or just kept clicking Continue occasionally?

[fading spade]

SPAM TF OUTTA CONTINUE

[hasty belfry]

I have a T300RS wheel but I cba to install it and just play Forza with controller 😄

[novel estuary]

I'm preeeetty sure my old one was in one of the boxes I gave those helpers that moved the trash I wasn't taking with me when moving places 🤔

[hasty belfry]

I've used the old one like 3 times, it only has 1 analog stick so not really useful for most games for me.

Can they pack it already? Smh.

[trim leaf]

I've avoided doing that in case they rate limit it

[maiden tulip]

I saw this, nico has a ps5 controller but he's playing at his desk so i cant be assed to do this for him

[fading spade]

idk that might happen but it worked for and my friend just now xd

[maiden tulip]

Forza with a wheel is awful

[hardy merlin]

I already ordered Pico, will 3d print a nice case for the dongle, add USB-A, will be nice

[fading spade]

funny enough I use keyboard to drive in forza

[maiden tulip]

Let me know how it goes

[stiff fiber]

Honestly I feel bad for you but you will end up with a good oled

[stiff fiber]

Congrat 👍

[hasty belfry]

What did your OLED do?

[sinful cobalt]

soo i have the 3rd gen Dual Sense

[hardy merlin]

How do you check this

[trim leaf]

Damn, I got through once but the extra authentication step for my card made it fail

[hasty belfry]

I have no idea what the difference is between the versions ngl. I think my Genshin one is v3?

[sinful cobalt]

https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/How_to_Identify_PS5_DualSense_Controller_Version

[hardy merlin]

So mine is Gen2

[hasty belfry]

Not printed on box so no way for me to tell

Oh well 😄

[trim leaf]

Wooo

[ivory dune]

Did you buy roller yet?

[naive remnant]

Congrats.

[hardy merlin]

yee #🎮│game message

[red bronze]

it's still in stock in europe if you can get it from there

[sinful cobalt]

looks like EU got the bigger stock

[hasty belfry]

Scuf caps are good replacements if yours get worn out btw

[sinful cobalt]

i would get the steam roller, but i would not spend 99 euro on it just bc its a volvo thing

in the meanwhile i trying to get my hands on WIN 10 LTSC

[vital wren]

Panel issues

Or something

[hardy merlin]

I can check tomorrow at work if I can download it from our VLSC

[sinful cobalt]

[hardy merlin]

[hasty belfry]

I put out an auction for the DOOM Dark Ages controller, I'll sell that to pay for the Steam one then it's like it was free!

[hardy merlin]

Oh wait, you want Hungarian ISO?

[sinful cobalt]

i can get around it its fine if its English

if its Polish i gonna have issues

[hardy merlin]

I just forget that there are ISOs with languages, so I'll note it down too

[stiff fiber]

It is just about finding the keycap

For language if you have iso

[sinful cobalt]

its for Windows

[hardy merlin]

I don't think that keycaps will help with Windows ISO

[sinful cobalt]

we have an "OLD" laptop with 5th or 6th gen I3 without TPM module

[fervent shell]

[stiff fiber]

Windows iso dont have all language?

[hardy merlin]

Nope, you gotta play with language packs, and it's not ideal to do so

[trim rock]

Haveyouheardofyourlordandsaviorlinux

[sinful cobalt]

my parents don't wanna suffer with Linux

[stiff fiber]

Oh didnt even know windows was lacking some language

[sinful cobalt]

if you downloaded Windows 10 French ISO its only have French language

if i remember correctly

[trim rock]

Yeah and language packs kinda don't work, although that might be a 11slop thing

[hardy merlin]

Some older apps on Windows, mostly for settings and management, are recompiled for each language

[stiff fiber]

Oh well it is what I did

[fervent shell]

one thing that really annoys me is that it's not letting me search emotes...

[bleak pike]

There's a site that lets you build your own iso

I just can't remember it reee

https://os.click/en

[fervent shell]

and these are the settings

[sinful cobalt]

tho i rarerly use my Hungarian layout

[dawn cradle]

geometry dihh

[fervent shell]

im gonna mess with my language settings and see if i can get the emoji search to work again

[sinful cobalt]

yep works

[fervent shell]

i installed a new pack and it switched my z and y keys

i typed in my password wrong 4 times

until i realised it switched my layout

[hasty belfry]

As a boomer, why do I need an emoji keyboard when discord has emojis built in if I need them?

[fervent shell]

i use them outside of discord too

[hasty belfry]

I don't talk to people outside of discord 😮

Reddit doesn't count

[fervent shell]

it can be very useful not only to talk with other people

[sinful cobalt]

OOF

[fervent shell]

what is oof?

[mellow garden]

This is 9/11 for Linux users

[fallow bronze]

It's a sample.

[fervent shell]

an almost 1% drop is why we're going oof i assume then

[trim rock]

It is a just wildly swinging every month cause of how poorly it's sampled

[hasty belfry]

Poor souls using Ubuntu, don't know any better.

[trim rock]

Go look at the language stats for another oof that may or may not be related

[hardy merlin]

Chinese playing Slay the Spire 2

[fallow bronze]

After popos, I'm glad to be on Ubuntu again

[sinful cobalt]

Chinese language went up by 0.66%

[hasty belfry]

Ubuntu is the most unstable OS I've ever used, doesn't matter which version, even the LTS is dogshit.

[mellow garden]

Ubuntu LTS is kinda based

[stiff fiber]

Monarchy or gtfo

[fervent shell]

i fixed it

[hasty belfry]

Ubuntu to me is like hahahaha ok it's cool for a school project now please go away.

[stiff fiber]

Omarchy?

It works

[fervent shell]

for anyone curious, i had to remove the german language and instead set my keyboard layout to german in the english language pack

[hardy merlin]

Ubuntu would be amazing if not for Canonical
But Ubuntu without Canonical is Debian or Mint

[fallow bronze]

Works fine for me

[hardy merlin]

Omarchy is just CachyOS with rice from asshole dev, not worth it

[hasty belfry]

2 brand new PCs different specs, install Ubuntu on both and like 3 errors after the first every boot to desktop, missing files.

Try different USB stick, verify that it's the right hash, all good, try again, same error.

Ok, lets just go anyway. Now the compuiters won't turn off, like the power button doesn't work and terminal to turn off doesn't even work, it just refuses to turn off the computers.

Swap distro, no issues.

Ubuntu can be flushed down the toilet for all I care.

[hardy merlin]

Same with my old laptop
On Ubuntu graphic card had aneurysm
On any other distro worked great

[stiff fiber]

Omarchy is arch and hyprland with an install made easy

[hardy merlin]

Based on CachyOS... which is based on Arch

[fervent shell]

well, cachyos is arch based and also very easy to install

calsy too fast

[stiff fiber]

Well I dont use either because I have mint and I am too lazy to install something else

[hardy merlin]

[hasty belfry]

Everyone knows elementaryOS is best distro :>

[sinful cobalt]

Nyarch best OS

[stiff fiber]

Honestly chosing a distro is a headache

[fervent shell]

nyarch, ive never looked into that one but it sounds cute

[sinful cobalt]

https://nyarchlinux.moe

this OS is 100% a joke OS

[stiff fiber]

Every year for 20 year I hear it is the year of linux

[fervent shell]

nyaofetch

[hasty belfry]

I'd use it over the Hannah Montana one.

[stiff fiber]

What about HelloArchKittyOs

[hardy merlin]

If you want Arch then EndeavourOS or for gaming CachyOS
If you want RHEL - Fedora or for gaming Nobara or Bazzite
If you want Debian - Mint
that's basically it nowadays

[hardy merlin]

There should be screenshots somewhere on this server when I ran North Korean Red Star OS

[stiff fiber]

If I could play marathon I would go cachyOS. For working I use mac

[fervent shell]

i may need to get off arch and see if i can get my dual booting to work properly again

[sinful cobalt]

10/10 OS

[stiff fiber]

Linux has no battleeye I think

[hardy merlin]

Just configure Secure Boot first if you wanna use Win11

[fervent shell]

yes, i had all of that set up but valorant is throwing errors since a recent update

[hasty belfry]

Looks like this is where Apple stole liquid ass.

[hardy merlin]

It does, but Bungie hates Linux and says that only hackers use it, same was with Destiny 2, so...

[fervent shell]

it was working fine for months until then

let me just find what i found out

[stiff fiber]

I have a dual boot that is not a real dual boot I just start one either a hard drive with windows or another with mint

[fervent shell]

vanguard is actively scanning the cryptographic hash of the entire signature database (db). it realized the db was not 100% factory pristine and threw the STATUS_SB_POLICY error

at the same time, the gigabyte nvram is broken. it refuses to save the mokutil policy across reboots, meaning i can never bypass the strict sbat metadata check that the shim demands. unlike the boot environments in ubuntu or alma linux (which contain corporate-signed sbat metadata that microsoft’s factory keys natively trust out of the box) arch-based bootloaders like cachyos get violently rejected by the shim without that override

because Vanguard essentially acts like firmware-level malware that demands absolute control over my bios, a unified secure boot setup that natively runs both my cachyos kernel and vanguard on this board is mechanically impossible right now

[hasty belfry]

Ok, but the most important question is which is the best desktop environment.

[stiff fiber]

Honestly for working I just like macos I am just tired tweaking stuff at my age

[hardy merlin]

@sinful cobalt os.click seems to be legit, I checked hash with Polish ISO I downloaded earlier and it matches, so you can get from there

[sinful cobalt]

i do have a random EndeavourOS install

[hasty belfry]

SAME, more settings just gives more options to play with and you figure out that none of the options are good because you can't make it perfect so they should've just taken away the option to begin with.

[red bronze]

did it come with complimentary propaganda?

[sinful cobalt]

thankies

[stiff fiber]

It is also something similar to buyer remorse like you try something and then want to try something else and it is a never ending cycle of desire and frustration

It is a lot like marrying and divorcing but less bothersome

[sinful cobalt]

when do you gonna try out the BaguetteOS ?

[hardy merlin]

[sinful cobalt]

https://github.com/cloud-gouv/securix

[hardy merlin]

I applaud the balls that they picked NixOS as base

[stiff fiber]

I dont know but I feel like a disaster is incoming with this one

[sinful cobalt]

[stiff fiber]

Is it good?

[hardy merlin]

Not for stable environments
It's like Arch and Gentoo had a child

[stiff fiber]

Oh ok 😭

Apparently they want the administrative service to use that

Not sure it will end well

[fallow bronze]

I ran gentoo for years! It was fun.

[hardy merlin]

I mean, if well configured, and user configuration is blocked with, say, SELinux, and snowflakes and all that stuff is blocked too, then it's fine
But only that if...

[stiff fiber]

Well considering they cant manage to not protect anything I doubt it

Last week they lost almost 20 millions of user data through the website managing ID

😵‍💫

The official story is that a 15 yo did it

I dont really believe it

Remind me of when they bypassed the Louvre security

[patent spoke]

anyone playing neverness to everness

[hasty belfry]

Linux would've been mainstream if they allowed capital letter usernames by default.

[sinful cobalt]

[hasty belfry]

Never heard of it, looks like one of those chinese gacha games?

[stiff fiber]

Yeah bazzite and cachyos are both gaming distro

[sinful cobalt]

its the Gacha GTA Anime game

[fringe salmon]

idk why people call it gta gacha, from what I saw the only gta similarity is there is a car lol

[hasty belfry]

I've been waiting on the Genshin anime since like 2022 or something 😄

[sinful cobalt]

i don't know either but thats how they advertised the game

[fringe salmon]

saw someone play it for like 3 hours, no clue where the gta comes from lol

unless they talked about bugs on release lol

[hasty belfry]

The GTA trilogy release bug where steering left/right made the car bigger and bigger is such a stupid bug.

[fading spade]

Bruh now it's out of stock

[hasty belfry]

I checked 10 minutes ago and it said 6-10 days

But apparantly in the US it was out of stock after 30 minutes

[fading spade]

Same here...

[little cape]

yeah no thx

[hasty belfry]

149 monopoly monnies

[little cape]

170 in maple v bucks with tax

im good

[hardy merlin]

1.5 hours, not that bad

[hasty belfry]

US usually has more scalper idiots

[fading spade]

Yep

[little cape]

thats just NA

[fading spade]

And we only know there was only like 40,000 controllers in their us shipment

[little cape]

altogether...morons who think they'll be rich by doing this

[fading spade]

Already saw scalpers selling for 200 online ._.

[hardy merlin]

Or more like morons who buy stuff with inflated price, because "they just can't wait!"

[little cape]

What happen to the days of just buying products you enjoy instead trying to be a rat and scalp products😔

[mellow garden]

I’ve got mine

[little cape]

dont even get me started on the pokemon cards....Biggest fool's gold scam i seen in the last 6 years

if you want to buy cards to enjoy thats fine

but if you genuinely think you'll become a millionaire later on good luck buddy

[hasty belfry]

I have my childhood cards left, those are the only cards I'll ever own.

[fading spade]

YAY!!!!

[hasty belfry]

Yikes, my friend bought the 30th anniversary PS5 Pro and sold it for 4000 euro and he's been hooked on scalping since. Anything on clearance in a store or similar he will buy and post online as well.

[unkempt panther]

You’ll only become a millionaire with the NFT version of the cards 🫪

Then sell it some crodies who don’t know any better

[hasty belfry]

We just need a Wooting coin we can rugpull and we'll be rich.

[little cape]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-funny-oof-gaming-gif-17036380

[fading spade]

Ok WHO'M'ST'TF buys a console for 4 grand....

[hardy merlin]

Everything must be scalped nowadays, everyone must be hustler, more money, MORE!
Can't even have a nice hobby in most cases

[fading spade]

341....wow lol

[hasty belfry]

Limited to 12500 units world wide.

[fading spade]

Get regular console
Put skin on it

[hasty belfry]

They are selling for 200 POUNDS+ RIIIIP

[little cape]

disgusting scalper pigs

[fading spade]

Yeh 🤢

[sinful cobalt]

man i love the 500 mil PS4 look

[hasty belfry]

I had this, sold it, kinda regret selling it but wtf am I gonna do with a PS4 when the PS5 is better and plays all PS4 games?

[hardy merlin]

I think it's not really scaling, as much as Valve launching it in only 30 countries

[hasty belfry]

It's stuff like this that makes the companies double their prices because people are paying that on the used market anyway so why can't we be the scalpers?

[fading spade]

Yeh...that would contribute 😅

[little cape]

yeah its disgusting

most of the time they end up returning the product if they cant sell it unless its a high demanding item they'll keep it

[hasty belfry]

Yepp

14 days to offload or they return, at least here.

[little cape]

the worst i seen is adults fighting over kids shoes because it was a collab limited release

same shit with the pokemon cards

legit parasites ruining everything

[hasty belfry]

I saw something about pokemon x target yesterday

Shirts or something like that

[little cape]

yeah i been seeing that or videos about it

[little cape]

you talking about the pokemon x target collab with the t shirts and sweaters?

[hasty belfry]

Yeah

[little cape]

yeah seen that too lmfao

[hasty belfry]

I saw people crying about scalpers buying loads to just post on ebay

[little cape]

yeah fun times we live in

seems like the toilet paper trend from covid never went away 😔

[hasty belfry]

I can't remember when it started getting this bad but it feels like it was around covid

[little cape]

it was during that

because people wouldnt mass buy normally

i wouldnt be surprised if costco started that shit on purpose for sales

iirc the camera pov was on the ceiling

[maiden tulip]

no one is gonna pay double for a mass produced controller

at that point you can buy better stuff like a dualsense edge elite whatever the fuck

Or a custom scuf controller

[hasty belfry]

Logic has never been a factor 😄

[hasty belfry]

I posted this, these are sales and not just listings.

[verbal nymph]

fomo be fomoing

[tough jay]

Seems my prepping for launch was not a bad idea. Stayed at work for a bit longer, made sure to have credit on my account, stayed for a bit longer at work and got it a couple of minutes after.

[hasty belfry]

If it was a limited edition controller, sure, I can see why you'd wanna buy one but this is just a regular standard controller.

[maiden tulip]

To buy it in the first place at 150cad regular price you do need to lack logic

[hasty belfry]

150 cad is 93 euro you get a discount!

[maiden tulip]

• tax

[hasty belfry]

Imaging not having tax baked into the sales number

Do you measure with body parts as well? Smh!

[tough jay]

For the US it's because of state and local tax, would make it harder to advertise a price nationally or even state wide.

[hasty belfry]

Buy 2, scalp 1 and keeps the 1 for free. Scalper tactics.

[tough jay]

Why they have state and local vat is a different matter but I can see why they don't include it with those as a given.

[hasty belfry]

But if you go into a store in Texas for example, why can't they just have the tax added there then? It's not like you can go into that specific store outside of texas?

[stiff fiber]

It started with gpu no?

[tough jay]

Because it's not just the state, Dallas may have different local tax than Austin

[hasty belfry]

GPUs were not really scalped that much, not at the start anyway, it was just miners buying anything available to mine on.

[hardy merlin]

Because people are stupid
And there will be outrage that X is more expensive in say Texas than in California or whatever

[hasty belfry]

Ok but that same store in Austin then?

Nothing is stopping them right? It's just so they can show a smaller number on the item no?

[stiff fiber]

Every city has different tax rate?

[tough jay]

I mean sure in the store you could but if a chain says this thing costs $99 they would have to put price stickers on there at every store, they would still advertise the base price.
I definitely get it though

[hasty belfry]

I guess, to me it's just another way to fuck over consumers but half the US seems to like it that way anyway.

[orchid prism]

In the US? Yes quite often. And state taxes, and so on and so on.

Not uncommon to see three or four different taxes.

[stiff fiber]

Must be confusing

[orchid prism]

Oh it gets worse. In stores they show prices without taxes. So you have to mentally add that yourself.

Oh this steak is 7 bucks according to the sign? Nope. 12.50 at the cashier

[maiden tulip]

It's pretty easy to do

Do you guys not get taught math?

[hasty belfry]

I saw some videos of resturants saying "no tips needed" but then always added a +20% service charge to the bill.

[orchid prism]

I can do math without having to do it for every single item I purchase though 😛

[stiff fiber]

Yeah so many time I enter a store with just the money to buy something in US I would be terrified to have a surprise at the cashier

[orchid prism]

Here in the civilized part of the world, the sign is the price.
Also no tipping needed.

[hasty belfry]

Math Genius Mansen

[serene orbit]

Stop sign?

[maiden tulip]

You know what's funny? Most tipped workers wouldn't want to go to a consistant wage

that's the funny thing

If you offer them a lower more consistant wage they'll just be like nuh huh

[hasty belfry]

Mansen goes to LIDL, looks down at the price, things it looks like a good deal, goes to the checkout and it's another price he has to pay because LIDL puts their pricetags on the shelf above for the item below.

[serene orbit]

Fuck lidl for that

I get confused by it too

[stiff fiber]

You guys just go to edeka be happy

[hasty belfry]

Yeah but the consumer wants it, I shouldn't have to be guilt tripped into giving free money to someone, that's charity.

[orchid prism]

The funny thing is... flat wages are still more than tips.

[maiden tulip]

Technically nothing stops you from giving nothing

[maiden tulip]

not really

[orchid prism]

Yes. Really.

[maiden tulip]

if you look good and know how to deal with your customers you'll end up making more

[hasty belfry]

For 95% of workers flat wage is better

[stiff fiber]

Specially when it comes to odd talking like someone wanting to give me water 20 times and too shy for refusing and having to pee 5 times after eating

[orchid prism]

I feel like those goalposts are being shifted slightly.

[hasty belfry]

The 5% of good looking people it's better for

[tough jay]

But then you enter the supermarket with some products being exempt as staples and so forth. What is exempt depends on the state of course.

[maiden tulip]

Im just trying to give you the perspective of people who work in those industries

[orchid prism]

And the magical thing is - The sticker price is still the final price.

[maiden tulip]

I don't know anyone who ever did who didn't want to be a tipped worker

[tough jay]

I meant the messed up situation in the US.

[maiden tulip]

At nico's work they tried offering people a pretty nice consistant wage and removing tips and the waitresses all decided to keep their old tipped salary

[stiff fiber]

The crazy part to me is that US is the richest country in the world, with few public service and they manage to be trillions in debt. Not saying in europe it is not the case but at least we have public service

[hasty belfry]

If you can't pay your workers a living wage and they need tips to survive each months maybe your restaurant is shit and shouldn't be in business.

[maiden tulip]

I don't think yall understand how tips work

[orchid prism]

We do though.

[maiden tulip]

Even if you offer a higher wage you have a chance of making more but it comes at the cost of inconsistency

[hasty belfry]

Ok, there is a "minimum wage" so if your tips don't cover it your empoyeer has to add the extra.

How long will you be employed there?=

[maiden tulip]

I'm talking being paid more than minimum

[hasty belfry]

Yeah but minimum hasn't been raised since the 90s or something so not hard to reach that

[tough jay]

But yes, also want to add 25% vat in denmark is a very useful thing if you want to calculate prices there otherwise. Always a nice round number in the end.
vs 21 in the netherlands where 30 including vat would be 24.79338842975207 excluding vat, in denmark excl vat it would simply be 24.
Something I deal with at work, then our accounting system uses different rounding so I have to add a rounding difference.

[stiff fiber]

The way it works look like feudalism like the restaurant owner (the lord) allow the people doing service (the peasant) to work on his restaurant (his land). To paraphrase chatgpt: that is not capitalism, that is feudalism

[orchid prism]

Having it be baked in just means you don't have to think about it. Only exception to this is if you're a VAT registered company buying things for your business.

And even then, you generally shop at B2B wholesale stores, where you also don't have to think about it, cause they list prices without VAT 😄

[hasty belfry]

Yeah, business transcations always labeled without VAT here.

[maiden tulip]

The minimum here gets raised basically yearly

Every 1st of may

[stiff fiber]

Where?

[tough jay]

Of course it's backed in everywhere, just have to translate it to euro's when visiting.
Just about work and mostly when we have to compensate part of an invoice. 25% just a more usefull percentage than 21 or 9 for groceries.

[orchid prism]

True.

[maiden tulip]

canada

[stiff fiber]

Oh ok

[hasty belfry]

Minimum wage in the US is still 7.25 or something like that afaik

[maiden tulip]

Well i aint in the us

[stiff fiber]

Here they also raise minimal wage but it doesnt follow the real inflation

[maiden tulip]

And tipped workers in the service industry is the norm

[hasty belfry]

Nothing does, not the last 5 years at least. My friend got a 15% raise, doesn't even cover inflation.

[maiden tulip]

And they'd rather have jt that way

[maiden tulip]

It will always lack behind a little

[orchid prism]

Denmark doesn't have legal minimum wages - Instead it's something the unions fight for with the each industry every couple of years.

Not sure I agree with how that works, but it does work.

[stiff fiber]

Seems nice looks like what guild were doing in middle age

[hasty belfry]

Only when the union is on the workers side, lately in Sweden they have been folding and and accepting no pay raises because of "troubling times".

[orchid prism]

[barren pewter]

I mean
just doing the math

knowing that good service, should tip at least 20%
and average 15%

at a good establishment, and packed, that can be hundreds extra a shift

the untipped wage is NOT going to be that level lol

it's best for all involved too, the incentives are where they need to be

[hasty belfry]

It has spread everywhere, I went to a pub here in Sweden a month or so ago, I just wanted to pick up a bottle water or something because I was thirsty and they asked if I wanted to tip, for the bottled water I picked from the fridge myself.

[barren pewter]

customers get good service, servers get great wages, establishments get to control their costs a bit better because staff cost a boatload

[stiff fiber]

What happen if the person is sick and cant go to work?

[maiden tulip]

just dont give anything its your choice as a cudtomer

[barren pewter]

yeah, I've seen that here, it's dogshit and I disagree

I mean waitstaff at a sitdown restaurant, that should be tipped

[maiden tulip]

Sick days exist

And tipped workers have a base pay

[hasty belfry]

I don't even want to be asked, it's rude. Guilt trip someone else you dogs.

[stiff fiber]

Oh they still have a base pay?

[barren pewter]

yes?

[maiden tulip]

Yes

[stiff fiber]

I was thinking it was tip only

[maiden tulip]

It less than the base pay of a non tipped employee

But theres a baseline

[stiff fiber]

I see

[barren pewter]

like
if I go to a shawarma spot where I pay at the counter, get my wrab, drinkie and fuck off, hell nah
zero tips

if I'm sitting down, getting actual service, yes, I will tip the waitstaff

[hardy merlin]

Baseline is ~$2.50 vs minimal ~$7.50 to ~$15
Tipped wage is a scam

[barren pewter]

maybe you failed to read this^^

[maiden tulip]

I think you just dont know how it works

Never talked to anyone who actually was a tipped worker

[hardy merlin]

Everyone should be paid fairly and earn tips on top
Instead all the restaurant lobbying groups reap all the profits

Yes, I know they can earn more from tips than from wages

My point is that they should earn at least minimal and tips on top of that

[stiff fiber]

Restaurant in france I never go. The owner are so entitled. Last year they were complaining because they cannot find staff in some rich area, because people cannot afford to live there and go to work there. So they asked the government to pay the housing of employees during summer season 🤡

At no point they considered to just pay the employee better

Btw when I say governement it means my taxes

😂

[barren pewter]

the bit you all might be forgetting about
restaurants are businesses with insane overheads
even on a dead day, they still need to load the kitchen, have fresh product ready, pay all the utilities and have staff on hand

profit margins are slim even at the best of times

and if you're inserting the costs of paying a worker a living wage (well above minimum) without tips, the costs you'd have to pass on to customers would render your business uncompetitive

and that means no staff getting paid period within a few years tops

if you're comfortable with the cost of eating out even occasionally being completely out of reach for the average person and most restaurants failing as a result, then by all means, ditch tips
hell yeah

[fringe salmon]

if adding living wage makes your business unprofitable, then maybe your business shouldn't exist

[pulsar prism]

If your business fails because it couldnt make money than it shouldn... What quin said

[hardy merlin]

Ah yes, the usual "it obviously won't work" even though it works everywhere else in the world

[tough jay]

People hardly ever tip in the Netherlands nowadays. Used to be normal but moving away from cash sort of faded.

[hardy merlin]

Quite interesting that most business owners don't have enough money to pay more their workers, but have just enough money for membership at National Restaurant Association, which fights against normal wages in restaurant industry

[tough jay]

even then was like rounding or a euro or two

[pulsar prism]

You can still tip here, it's just you don't have to and they don't make you feel obligated to do so

[hardy merlin]

But hey, I guess we shouldn't expect that people who don't get that much in tips deserve a living wage, what do I know

[fringe salmon]

people do tend to tip less when being given an amount because and having to tell the person to add more into the machine rather than just taking the extra dollar bill, saying the number out loud, not just discretely adding more etc.

but the solution to that is just not using the default 20$ cash terminal and just use like an idk ipad or so you hand to them like you used to hand the bill on a plate and let them have the discrection to silently add something if thats the issue

if theres other issues it can be worked around too, not like its even close to an impossible situation to make work without muh poor business hurting

[sudden prawn]

@pulsar prism how far are you in leagues? I got adamant rank and kinda burned out

[hot spire]

If you don't get enough tips they have to still pay you the untipped minimum wage

[cyan pewter]

i dont really have music on when playing forza but for those that do
https://forza.net/news/forza-horizon-6-radio

[fading spade]

aha, another youtuber who uses gyro when ADS

got it set to L2

Dont some online games ban mixed input?

[mellow garden]

Yes

[fading spade]

yeh ...
What ones? do you know?

[mellow garden]

Off the top of my head? No.

[fading spade]

fair

[bleak pike]

CoD

Rivals

CS2

[fading spade]

rivals... not sure why I didnt expect that one

[bleak pike]

Apex lets you but you need to change in the settings, or maybe thats another game

apparently im wrong about cs2

[fading spade]

Wait why cant the steam controller wake Linux systems from sleep?!?!

isnt that one of the marketing points of the controller and machine?

[bleak pike]

The Steam Machine does it on a hardware level

[small comet]

steamos*

the only thing the controller was marketed for to work at all times natively was steamos

[bleak pike]

yup

but it also has some hdmi thing right

for the tv too

[fading spade]

cec

which is a custom driver by Valve cause HDMI Forum shut that feature down on Linux

[small comet]

heck im disappointed the controller doesnt even work as a classic dinput gamepad without steam

[bleak pike]

that i dont understand

since even budget ones do it

[maiden tulip]

its useless without steam running

[fringe salmon]

the entire hdmi 2.1 set is in the amd driver soon, no need to do anything custom

[fading spade]

yeh, but retro game corp tried it on a steam deck with steamos and it didnt wake the deck

[small comet]

i mean the old one also lacked this. i really dont know why

[small comet]

welp would certainly be funny

id imagine wireless just doesnt work in the linux kernel natively due to some bt stuff?

[fading spade]

he tried it with the puck

[small comet]

ok and?

if the puck doesnt get power in sleep it also cant wake

[pulsar prism]

I'm almost rune on 1 account and mithril on my other. I'm going pretty slow though with a full time job and a girlfriend

Plan is dragon cup on both but we'll see how it goes

[sudden prawn]

Damn gl, I'm already just chilling back on the main game lol

There are a lot of grinds that I just don't feel like doing even though we are OP

[pulsar prism]

Fair I skip the real long ones

[cold anvil]

messing around with OBS just a tad bitt

[compact oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GdE9GkrsVs the og fallout guy

[outer pollen]

wait should I bought one if I'm getting a steam machine?

[maiden tulip]

The steam machine isnt worth it

ABD DONT BUY ONE ON EBAT

EBAY

[fringe salmon]

are we using magic 8 ball to know if the steam machine is worth it again

[barren pewter]

she said "abd"
interesting typo or choice of words

[iron oak]

I wouldn’t buy one for the steam machine until the steam machine is out

Unless you’re using it for other stuff like pc gaming then I’d wait

[pulsar prism]

Magic 8 ball says price not good

[barren pewter]

magic 8 ball says taxable capital gains are in your future

[iron oak]

does the magic 8 ball know if gas prices will go down?

(This joke)

[scarlet sail]

what's interesting about typing a B instead of an N

they're literally next to each other xD

[bright fox]

as your second worst financial advisor; buyer’s remorse is better than fomo. So geddit as long as it’s from Gabe and not some dog ass flipper 👌

[barren pewter]

abd

Arabic root meaning slave or servant, total submission and subservience

eg Abdullah “slave/servant of god”

[scarlet sail]

[willow quiver]

LMAO

[outer pollen]

Yeah I’ll wait and see if it restocks

Not in a hurry

[maiden tulip]

lmao

[outer pollen]

@cyan pewter

[cyan pewter]