darn, the witcher 3 saves the graphics settings in the cloud saves..
so switching between desktop and steamdeck is a bit of a hassle.
#🎮│game
fallow bronze
bleak pike
After all these years I've only just realized that the main guy from cod waw was Kiefer Sutherland
solid bough
Ive never heard it called waw myself. Then again i dont hear people talk about it as much as other CoD
Its always Black Ops
orchid prism
We used to just call it World at War here.
bleak pike
@fallow bronze omg lol
I didn't send the full message
I meant to say the main guy was Kiefer Sutherland
bleak pike
nice ea servers
small comet
fast.com is super inaccurate for me
this is like the 5th test or so
and the best
fringe salmon
upload is normal
orchid prism
All of those are normal.
fringe salmon
latency cant be compared since we dont really know how far his vs your test server is away from you etc.
orchid prism
Wifi doesn't have anything to say about your subscription speed limits though.
fringe salmon
and unless you get expensive symmetrical here thats about normal for upload on a gigabit download
smoky void
Wifi doesn't have anything to say about your subscription speed limits though.
No but one does not have gigabit down and 50 up
That doesn't make any sense
orchid prism
One most certainly does.
fringe salmon
that is the normal option here
orchid prism
Welcome to your average consumer connection.
smoky void
I've never seen a gigabit option that isn't 1:1
Never from no provider
Not in the consumer space or business
fringe salmon
most places dont even have more upload for any consumer contract here
orchid prism
Then you don't look very hard.
smoky void
Then you don't look very hard.
Every "premium" provider in the country
orchid prism
👌
smoky void
The big ones so to say
fringe salmon
maybe we arent in your country
smoky void
But still doesn't make sense?
orchid prism
Welcome to the world. Where not everything is like you're used to.
orchid prism
But still doesn't make sense?
It makes perfect sense from an ISP point of view. Upload is more expensive for the ISP.
This is probably THE most common connection offer here in Denmark right now. No I am not sure why it thought I'm Mandarin.
fringe salmon
also matters a lot if its fiber or coax, and what fiber version etc.
orchid prism
This is supposed to be 250 down btw. Over coax
orchid prism
While you can definitely get 1:1 on Fiber, you're paying a premium for every mbit up compared to down.
smoky void
Well €50 a month for fiber 1:1 gigabit isn't much of a "premium" price
orchid prism
Depends entirely who you're asking.
smoky void
Mind you that's the bill for internet, we don't have tv anymore since we all stream anyway
orchid prism
Also - availability.
fringe salmon
also is it limited, how much does that go down if neighours also use the lane etc.
smoky void
also is it limited, how much does that go down if neighours also use the lane et...
None luckily
It only goes down if someone in the house is using it
small comet
Well €50 a month for fiber 1:1 gigabit isn't much of a "premium" price
see i pay 25
and guess what
i dont give 2 shits about the upload atm
theres nothing i need to upload that fast or big
small comet
i work a lot with cloud services aswell
but
doesnt matter for those
cause my server can just use the 10gig intranet
fringe salmon
that doesnt really change what is the norm here xD
smoky void
I'm assuming your server is on LAN
small comet
I work a lot with various cloud services, gigabit down is god tier
i do agree a gig down is nice but i still dont need a gig up
small comet
I'm assuming your server is on LAN
u realize lan is a very location bound word
smoky void
Exactly
small comet
where my server stands the lan is just thousands of other servers
and almost purely fibre
smoky void
So it's not lan on YOUR network
smoky void
2.5?
smoky void
Your server doesn't have 2.5gig eth ports?
small comet
uh no cause its useless tech
smoky void
If I'ma have a server in my own house, big transfers better be damn near instant lmao
small comet
then 2.5gig will be the dumbest thing u could do
smoky void
and just go 10gigs
Yeah that's why I'm thinking it must have 2.5gig at least right, cuz 10gig really isn't fancy tech these days
small comet
servers never really had 2.5gig iirc
only 1gig eth and 10gig sfp+
well these days they go for 100GBaseT
fringe salmon
a lot of 2.5 controller are also really plagued by issues, think the intel 2.5 controllers were the ones people really didnt like
smoky void
Hmm, I don't do home servers but if I were to have one it wouldn't be worth it to me if it wasn't at least 2.5gig or something
smoky void
Well I definitely don't want 1gig
small comet
ngl its a wonder they do 2.5gigs on consumer mobos
smoky void
Cuz fiber internet is getting better
smoky void
2.5gig fiber internet isn't too far away
smoky void
Well can't wait for 10gig fiber but I don't think that's near where 2.5 is
small comet
doesnt mean ur pc have to use ancient trash technology?
smoky void
To get 10gig fiber these days some real work is necessary
fringe salmon
10gig ports doesnt mean you can use 2.5 fiber when thats out
just means you can use the port for more and its not like it would cost them more
smoky void
doesnt mean ur pc have to use ancient trash technology?
2.5gig.ports are plenty future proof
small comet
uh no
fringe salmon
honestly might even be cheaper since I'd assume there are a lot more of them than 2.5 ports due to servers
small comet
1gig is plenty future proof for most people
smoky void
1gig fiber is pretty mainstream
small comet
ya no
smoky void
At least here in the Netherlands it definitely is
small comet
pretty sure u got a really skewed view of that
smoky void
A ton of colleague's and friends of mine have gigabit already
smoky void
No but it's pretty mainstream
small comet
like most countries
fringe salmon
you see here our government got scammed so instead of fiber we just have DSL on vector steroids to only get half of it
smoky void
id guesstimate the average to be 150 or so mbps
Pretty sure 150 is near the average 4g speeds here lol
small comet
ok and?
orchid prism
Average or median?
fringe salmon
small comet
uh no
smoky void
Isn't like a good chunk of Americans still on dialup
fringe salmon
I mean, saying you are above one of the worst countries in terms of internet (america) isn't saying much
smoky void
"How many Americans rely on dial-up or satellite internet? Over a quarter million Americans still use dial-up internet, and just over 8 million rely on satellite internet"
Damn
fringe salmon
hm apparently it was 86mbps for america in 2020 so doublign that seems accurate with covid years
smoky void
fixed beats the nl easy
The rank stat is lower kappa
fringe salmon
but yeah, germany got scammed by telekom
small comet
what rank stat
fringe salmon
money supposed to go to fiber was used to put out more vectoring DSL which tops out at 500 iirc
small comet
soon is super vectoring
smoky void
500 would be fine if it's 1:1
smoky void
Well that's cringe
small comet
i still dont get how its cringe
fringe salmon
would still not be fine since for the same money you could get actual fiber setup that can do 10gig at some point
smoky void
Because it's so stupid to not also just give 500 up
small comet
for what
what would the average consumer use 500up for
correct nothing
absolutely nothing
smoky void
Wfh, streaming 4k, soon 8k, cloud gaming, downloads are getting bigger and having overhead is really good for a household of multiple people
small comet
u dont need upload for those
fringe salmon
how does bigger downloads matter for upload
smoky void
Well let me put it this way
orchid prism
Only thing wfh needs upload for is skype meetings. And you don't need a lot for that.
small comet
and most services sync silently in the background
and with 50mb up
its still plenty fast
orchid prism
Most wfh is done using remote clients anyway
smoky void
and most services sync silently in the background
Doesn't make it faster
smoky void
Most wfh is done using remote clients anyway
Well that's RDP which some upload definitely would be good for
fringe salmon
50mb up is not enough for the future that I agree with, but it's not as important as download and its not like they lay out the network do have it run bidirectional and just cap it for no reason
sure some of it is marketing and bs
orchid prism
Well that's RDP which some upload definitely would be good for
Again - You barely need anything for that.
smoky void
No it's not
small comet
yes it is
smoky void
RDP can be an ass if one of the endpoints has a poor connection
smoky void
It's better than vnc but RDP still needs a reliable decent connection
small comet
welp time to cry that i cant stream 4k or 8k content due to my low upload
solid bough
winter edition
it's already snowy biome >XD
barren pewter
...
main campaign is through the eyes of Ethan Winters
Shadow of Rose DLC is through the eyes of Rosemary Winters...jeez
bleak pike
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1731080/Resident_Evil_Village__Winters_Expans...
She cute
feral ferry
Looks like Discord is the new place for leaks
Monster Hunter Paradise was leaked from the rewards page
Supposedly based on Monster Hunter 6
solid bough
Discord will never be a better leak of information than War Thunder's community love for leaking classified military information.
all for sake of nationality dick measuring contests.
feral ferry
Yeah I only care for game leaks
solid bough
still funny though lol
fading spade
WHY THIS GAME CENSOR MY NAME???
feral ferry
Isn't your nick like MyarrDerr?
fading spade
LOL
THis is game where people get killed
WHY TF THEY CENSORING MURDER?
dat cake tho
xd
jovial coral
dat cake tho
she thicc
feral ferry
Kinda weird
bleak pike
What game
fading spade
Sinister Night
its 3d spooky haunted Among Us basically
but you can indicate where you are on a map
when voting
feral ferry
bleak pike
@feral ferry weeb
feral ferry
And I love it
wheat kraken
the new generation of minecraft is one of the best additions to this game imo
bleak pike
the new generation of minecraft is one of the best additions to this game imo
maybe you might wanna join WootMC Reborn
wheat kraken
I'm playing a gently modded minecraft and i fairly rarely play.
wheat kraken
oh? What's on it or is that list a little too long to casually drop here
bleak pike
its on curseforge if you look enough xD
atm its on Tony's server but im trying to get it going on the Woot server and wooting.io domain
wheat kraken
found it
bleak pike
@fading spade
solid bough
when your first artifact is a battleaxe
fading spade
<@361968952592826378>
👀
orchid prism
*when your first artifact is a battleaxe*
She's a 10 but she's a battleaxe made from BONE
solid bough
its all I got because all I can find in the local area is sphalerite
and no copper to turn that into brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonze
orchid prism
Make mugs, trade for metals
Speaking of profit... I hope currency makes it back into the game some day.
wheat kraken
Most of mods are the performance things. The only real "game changers" are vein mine, enchantment+ (data pack), and origins
bleak pike
Most of mods are the performance things. The only real "game changers" are vein ...
on what? yours?
solid bough
Make mugs, trade for metals
yeah but I wanna churn out things more and faster. I settled on a volcano. i'mma have to dig deep for metals.
trim rock
Yes bring back the fortbux system so my dorfs spend all their time hauling their coins (if I make coins for.. whatever reason)
orchid prism
yeah but I wanna churn out things more and faster. I settled on a volcano. i'...
Diggy Diggy
trim rock
And then tantrum spiral because they become poor and unable to pay for anything pepelaugh
solid bough
at the least can still make coins for decoration
though yeah tantrum spiraling would need a fix before economy can be fixed
wheat kraken
on what? yours?
Yeah I thought I wrote "my mods"
solid bough
dies because cursed metamorhpic rock layer
although found silver. but like. can't make armor or weapons
solid bough
did find copper eventually. but thats subpar for armor and non-ranged weaponry
meager crown
There's currently a spicy drama in the TrackMania community where Wirtual (the popular streamer who exposed his cheating friend) is using Wooting's analog curve to achieve double steering
and people call him out for cheating
The poor players can't tell a difference between an input device and a macro/3rd party software
And want to ban analog curve adjustment in the game now
gl with that
rancid hearth
even though controller play is allowed
meager crown
Exactly
You could always use tools to adjust your Xbox controller with some driver to output steering in steps
solid bough
and trackmania has a literal software to detect macro inputs easily.
small comet
one of the most technically knowledgeable communities when it comes to ingame moves and how to detect cheating is fighting over a very normal input device
sounds like the best use of their time
meager crown
Yeah it's a shitshow
solid bough
well, better than the massive explosions that happened regarding the golden eye speedrunning rules. this is normal when trying to go over serious rules and competition.
meager crown
Doesn't help that the devs I think experimented with having keyboard buttons to mimic analog input in steps as well
solid bough
cause not everyone can afford 200 dollar keyboards and such
or fancy hardware, etcetera
this is why even some emulators are allowed in some speedrunning
trim rock
Just use mouse for steering pepega
tacit scroll
cause not everyone can afford 200 dollar keyboards and such
Maybe not, but as soon as you enter a competitive environment your investment in your gear is important and can’t be blamed either. It’s true for conventional sports too (cycling, F1, etc)
fading spade
solid bough
aye but the issue is to avoid straining your niche community so thin as to make it dead by making it inaccessible
tacit scroll
I think it’s the same as 240hz monitors. They are expensives in FPS game you can have a slight edge with it but most people can still compete to very high level with 144hz.
I don’t think it makes the community thiner at all, it just mean that if the 1% people willing to go over board to increase a little bit their skill ceiling, they can, otherwise they are fine
That’s my opinion tho, it’s subjective
solid bough
I don't believe a 240hz monitor is going to provide that big of an advantage
i'm going to need to see study and stats.
maybe in hyper competitive matches? like you would still need high enough reflexes.
fringe salmon
solid bough
feel free to show me it provides anything honestly.
if it has an edge, it's an advantage.
solid bough
I figured you'd bring this up but you failed to meet the point of practicality in terms of it bringing an advantage.
fringe salmon
having a more accurate/less blury picture is not an advantage?
solid bough
also this article is referencing VR visuals
in comparison to current conventional displays : I doubt it's going to be that big a difference as to affect someone's performance.
ashen lark
Ngl can’t say I have any interest in seeing more than 240hz anytime soon
fringe salmon
you keep flip flopping between points, do you want to talk about a massive advantage or "any" advantage
solid bough
you're talking as if 120 or 240 is 'blurry'
we're not talking about some crappy 240p tv from the 50s
fringe salmon
it can be also it's relative
solid bough
then show me the difference, cause, 'relatively', it's not going to be as blurry as you think it'll be.
even if you produce the clearest sharpest fastest monitor : you have to show that having such a display actually provides an advantage over conventional accessible displays
fringe salmon
idk I can clearly see the difference and thats just one object
solid bough
which is what the topic is about : accessibility
fringe salmon
there are military tests about what the pilots can still see, dont remember where it was linked though
@ebon osprey might remember that
solid bough
aye but what game is going to take advantage of something like that?
fringe salmon
csgo
solid bough
a competitive one*
you mean where all the maps are basically close quarters?
I can see this being, say, a big advantage for like a sniping game
far away movement
ashen lark
which is what the topic is about : accessibility
Ah yes blur busters I remember them from Eve community
solid bough
I think battleground games probably would benefit
ashen lark
Anyways the image is rather dumb since it all depends on how fast the image is moving
fringe salmon
not sure how that is relevant when it's simply about being able to see things sooner or better
solid bough
you aren't going to see it sooner.
fringe salmon
yeah I am
solid bough
you'll see it more clarity
fringe salmon
if someone comes around the corner, next frame I see it, when the frame is sooner I can see it sooner
solid bough
except you aren't going to react within a frame
ashen lark
Unless they come around at the time the slower refresh rate frame would be drawn as well
fringe salmon
nobody said I am
solid bough
not meaning literal. I mean in general.
fringe salmon
if you see it sooner you can react sooner, obviously not a second sooner if its 1ms frame difference
solid bough
like, unless it's dead set games like speedrunning single player games that don't have RNG : you aren't going to be doing frame perfect inputting and reactions.
this is true but this is assuming the "sooner' is within human limitations.
ashen lark
You basically may get a 1 ms advantage
So I suppose if your opponents reaction time is within 1ms of yours
Then it may make a difference
fringe salmon
yes its not every time yes your overall input delay is magnitudes bigger etc.
but its a quite simple fact that if I can see it sooner it can happen that I thus process it that much faster
solid bough
there's that too, input delay
both human and device
Until I start seeing stats and tests, I don't believe having the perfect display is going to change that huge compared to current monitors.
if any change at all.
ashen lark
There will be a very very small change
fringe salmon
nobody said something about a huge change apart from you
solid bough
if its so small it's not worth it 😂
fringe salmon
completely different from if its a thing or not
solid bough
true but practicality is what matters
as well as accessibility.
So, like, if it doesn't do all that much then wouldn't be worth much to invest into nor worth banning.
ashen lark
Well yes we are not saying it’s worth the investment or anything
solid bough
but if it did do a ton, then it'll cause a lot of issues.
ashen lark
Just that there would be a very very slight difference
There is no way for it to have a big effect
Or well unless everyone had 2hz screen
solid bough
lol
ashen lark
And one person 1000hz
solid bough
yeah
ebon osprey
if its so small it's not worth it 😂
The difference between visibly fake and visually indistinguishable from reality is a gigantic leap
solid bough
sounds like a thing for VR/AR than some competitive game.
ebon osprey
And this test shows that for at least sample and hold displays, you need 20khz refresh to be visually indistinguishable
ebon osprey
sounds like a thing for VR/AR than some competitive game.
Any time there's movement there is going to be mismatch
solid bough
okay and?
tough jay
Just for reference, when you show something like that, it tends to be better if you show the source as well.
ebon osprey
It's blur busters and was posted earlier
solid bough
benefit in a way that is very noticeable improvements?
ebon osprey
The more critical the movement is to the game and the more skill reliant the game is sure the more it matters
But the difference between noticeably fake and visually indistinguishable will remain
tacit scroll
Getting more frames first reduce blur, second reduce input lag, third makes you react faster because you get the information sooner on a decal (the first frame shows the shoulder earlier)
ashen lark
Well yes but 240hz compared to 60hz is a few ms difference on average
tacit scroll
On a simple snipe test on mid double door on dust2 shows that more shots hits during a cross ct side
ashen lark
While 1000 to 10000 will always be less than one ms
fringe salmon
where tf did you get to 10000
ashen lark
Just random number since it was mentioned before lol
fringe salmon
the discussion was about 240hz making a change or not
tacit scroll
Ms input lag adds ups in every step on the inout chain. So for every steps you try to reduce it
fringe salmon
so comparing 1k to 10k isnt really making sense for that context
ashen lark
the discussion was about 240hz making a change or not
Oh I suppose it changed a bit I remember 1000hz being mentioned more
tacit scroll
More over when you do Big Swipe to flick shot getting a less blurry image is a big plus to click at the right timing
It involves skills but in any cases when you talk about high competitive advantages, we talk about this kind of little edges.
And with people having enough skill to take benefit from it
ashen lark
So far yes but the benefit will get smaller and smaller
ashen lark
Each time you double the fps the ms change between to frames is gonna be half of what it was with previous doubleing basically
ebon osprey
Sure but humans don't see in ms
ashen lark
And yeah also how much that helps to human isn’t going to be linear
It’s more important than hz too
For this
tacit scroll
This is not the topic of the debate at all
ebon osprey
The Ms precision of human perception has not been tested
The ability to perceive hz however has been
fringe salmon
I swear this server has a infectious disease going around where people dont read half of something and/or talk about a different point without reason lol
ebon osprey
And the jump from high number that human can tell is fake to higher number that is beyond perception will be larger than from the limit of humans caring (about 1khz) to the high number
tacit scroll
The topic of the debate is: wooting keyboards give an advantage in competitive trackmania. Someone mentioned that it makes competitive games less accessible and that it’s not normal. Then I gave the example that the more you get competitive the more gear enter in the equation and I used the 240hz monitor to illustrate it
But it is the same in cycling sports with bikes, same in F1 with cars
Etc
Competition at high level is by definition less accessible
ebon osprey
And imo the slow perception penalty is alot less drastic than the speed limits from biking
If your bike has 2% more friction than your competitors, you will be 2% slower assuming both are peak human
With games, since the physics timescale is usually alot slower than the render speed (interpolated to look smooth) as soon as you are rendering at least at physics timescale speed, you will be able to perform
tacit scroll
It doesn’t matter any edge must be and will be used in this kind of circumstances. It doesn’t matter if it is by a lot or not
ebon osprey
It might be more difficult to adjust for the smoothness, however that isn't a physical limitation
There was an OSU player playing on a 60hz laptop with a mouse and was putting up scores that people thought were impossible
tacit scroll
OSU is predictive you learn patterns it is way different from reacting to something that is not expected
ebon osprey
Or you can memorize the pattern
tacit scroll
That’s my point
tacit scroll
For sure. That’s not the case in fps games
ebon osprey
Yea
In the reaction based fps games, if you are high level and your latency is higher you will lose
However in the tactics based ones, not so much
tacit scroll
I agree with you
My point with the monitors was about saying that the more competitive you go in games, the more people will invest in gear anyway and it’s normal
Because people complained about making the community thiner by 200€ gate on keyboard advantage
ebon osprey
https://youtu.be/EZpQkDooNqw
This guy is a monster
Not everyone needs to be the best at the game 🤷
tacit scroll
Exactly
ebon osprey
And I'm highly confident that the skill advantage that you can get from a peice of hardware is less than the reaction time advantage you get from being younger...
tacit scroll
reaction time doesn’t change much until very late when you age. Competitive gamers just was a familly when they get older
ebon osprey
Negatory
Most competitive games don't actually care about reaction time
But your reaction time can't be under 100ms if you are over 22? I forget what age it is exactly
But if you are 20 you can have a reaction time of 100ms and if you are 30 it will be about 120ms peak
Now sure the average at 20 is 160ish and only reaches 200ms average at 50
But minimum reaction time does matter and does change with age
bleak pike
@fading spade im amazing on the deck
in my defense i was using a capture card and playing via obs with a 1s delay
fading spade
this is me on controller too...
can never get the stick speed right
is WAW running on SteamOS there??
bleak pike
ye
unique bane
The Ms precision of human perception has not been tested
The ability to perceiv...
same thing
frequency's reciprocal is period, so the perception limit should be the same for both, even if time is harder to test for.
rancid hearth
https://youtu.be/EZpQkDooNqw
This guy is a monster
that map is ar11 so 300ms is all you have to respond from when the circle pops up to the circle closing in
ebon osprey
frequency's reciprocal is period, so the perception limit should be the same for...
etc
event 1 is aloooooooooot harder to detect than event 2 even though they are the exact same event ms wise
unique bane
event 1 is aloooooooooot harder to detect than event 2 even though they are the ...
Why would it be harder?
ebon osprey
theres no stroboscopic effects
unique bane
So you are comparing multiple periods and one single period?
Obviously, but then we need to think whether the contrast helps separate the one single event from the lack of noise easier than the multiple periods from constant noise
ebon osprey
an event measured in ms is referring to a single event
an event measured in hz is referring to a series of events
contrast is irrelevant its 100% duty cycle either way
unique bane
contrast used as an adjective, not monitor contrast
ebon osprey
the word contrast means "difference" referring to different things
this is a binary sequence
its either on or off
unique bane
No, you're comparing apples to oranges. You're comparing a single x frame period to constant supply of images shown at y frequency
ebon osprey
exactly
unique bane
period and frequency can be both
ebon osprey
ms in perception generally refers to an event
frequency in perception generally refers to a series of events
unique bane
No, and I don't know why would you think so.
ebon osprey
vs
humans cant perceive events that are too short timewise
and we appear to be able to detect stroboscopic effects that are significantly shorter in duration than that
unique bane
humans cant perceive events that are too short timewise
As testing methods become more accurate, ms perception approaches frequency perception, because they are reciprocals. Can you see a single photon that stays on your vision for 1 ms or less if you were blinded but allowed to see that only? Would you hear a sound played for 1 ms or less?
ebon osprey
[citation needed]
unique bane
Will I feel a cut that only lasts 1 ms?
Do I not perceive variable signal latency of a monitor (1-5 ms) because I cannot perceive such a low period, or is it because the testing method (reliant on short term memory) is inadequate?
ebon osprey
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12172
heres a paper testing out if humans can detect 1 photon
and the answer is you can be taught to
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9450008
and this paper says humans can detect audio events that are half a ms apart about
and im sure you are aware that humans can detect sounds with a frequency well over 10khz
unique bane
So what is the summary?
ebon osprey
humans cant detect audio events as separate if they are closer than .5ms
but humans can detect audio with higher frequency than the reciprocal of .5ms
(.5ms is the reciprocal of 2khz and humans can hear up to about 20khz)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Hörfläche.svg
unique bane
humans cant detect audio events as separate if they are closer than .5ms
but hum...
You are, in my opinion, comparing apples to oranges. You can't say humans can't detect 0.5 ms events as separate, because they blend into one (your example of frequency). The correct way to test such would be whether a human can notice a single loud sound that is played for 0.5 ms a single time. And continue the test to see whether a human detects the 0.5 ms events spaced by the same amount as a single stream or not - which indicates that the brain does (or does not) something to those separated events to prevent sensory overload by blending single events into stream of sound that is more comprehensible to us.
ebon osprey
You can't say humans can't detect 0.5 ms events as separate [citation needed]
The correct way to test such would be whether a human can notice a single loud sound that is played for 0.5 ms a single time. [citation needed]
I have made no statements of opinion, and i have cited my sources
you have not refuted any of my points with any sources and have moved the goalposts every time I bring more sources
rancid hearth
unique bane
You have not cited anything either, just given links to random research papers which you can't expect me to read. But if you feel we cannot discuss the matter without citations, it's better to stop as neither of us are experts on the topic.
ebon osprey
here you go
and if linking research papers that specifically mention what I said in the abstracts isnt enough for citation for you then I dont know what to say
unique bane
Meh, apparently we can't even agree on the definitions, so it's useless
ebon osprey
🤨
unique bane
and if linking research papers that specifically mention what I said in the abst...
No, linking random research papers is not enough.
unique bane
Whatever you say
ebon osprey
as long as you understand
unique bane
I did, but I disagreed 🙂
ebon osprey
as long as you understand that your opinion doesnt change the facts
unique bane
Lmao
young hill
too many lizards
young hill
solid bough
I feel like i live in a crazy world. Why am I seeing news about Papers Please having a mobile port when it had one for years?
feral ferry
Why would that game get a mobile port
barren pewter
ngl I’m still waiting for a mobile port of fallouts one and two
Even though it won’t happen officially unless bethsoft does it
There are…unofficial ways as well 
tranquil stratus
I feel like i live in a crazy world. Why am I seeing news about Papers Please h...
It's an overall mobile port. Last port was for only for iPad.
orchid prism
Why would that game get a mobile port
Because comrade, glorious Arstotzka demands constant vigilance!
orchid prism
The what now?
solid bough
There's some resident evil show on netflix
And they wanted to be edgy or memey
And the internet flipped out
solid bough
Can't say I've seen it. Wont be able to if its an exclusive
bleak pike
It doesn't do resident evil justice but as s show itself it's ok
solid bough
Honestly, that sounds better than the games themselves
It just needs to be better than 5 6 7 and the movies
orchid prism
I see... well to be honest I could never get into Resident Evil. Even back in the PS1 days 😄
bleak pike
I see... well to be honest I could never get into Resident Evil. Even back in th...
Tbh I only liked one game which wasn't loved that much (resi 5)
barren pewter
Tbh I only liked one game which wasn't loved that much (resi 5)
the community dislikes the RE games I personally liked a lot
idk
I think the whole new title, remake schedule is working fine
and I am so hype for RE4 Remake, especially after the really solid rebuilds of 2 and 3
and now that they've killed off Ethan Winters (worst protagonist ever), we got more room for Chris, or even Leon to make a comeback
probably gonna be Chris though
solid bough
@bleak pike re5 is pretty fub honestly with a friendo. But not with AI which is the big issue besides story telling.
Surviving a hand being sliced off isnt same as surviving obliteration lol
fringe salmon
great vrchat has EAC now...
perfect example of devs listening to the community in the completely wrong way lol
solid bough
what's up with VRChat that it requires dev intervention?
feral ferry
Degeneracy
fringe salmon
harassment, hacking, theft of avatars
solid bough
those are problems yeah
feral ferry
At least it's not theft of NFTs
solid bough
😂
feral ferry
We won't stand for poor NFTs being abused
solid bough
thefts of NFTs would be a service
fringe salmon
feral ferry
There should be an NFT protection association forming
solid bough
as if.
solid bough
the whole point of NFTs and coins was for it be unregulated and crap liek that. now they want the government protection 
NFTs don't have anything to do with copyright
feral ferry
I'm trolling btw
solid bough
gewd
solid bough
the sad truth is some people do take those positions.
feral ferry
Which is why it works as a troll 
But I mean "Ctrl+C is to be banned" was clearly meant as a give away that I wasn't serious
solid bough
was fuckign hilarious though when that one celebrity fell for a scam that go this NFT stolen, to which it was sold to someone else and the dude had to rebuy it because his fucking shitty nft movie couldn't continue >XD
feral ferry
Did you see the story I posted like last week
Lad inflated the price of his shitty NFT by bidding 100 ETH on it
Someone bought it for 2 ETH but he forgot to remove his bid
So the lad accepted it and he basically rebought it for 100 ETH
solid bough
rofl
feral ferry
Then the idiot begged the other lad for mercy
feral ferry
He sent him the 2 ETH that the other guy bought the NFT for him for
solid bough
LOL
feral ferry
So he literally lost 102 ETH
Cause the lad was braindead
Hey at least they got their NFT back
How to lose 200k USD
Man what idiots
solid bough
also, like, that's legit not how a bid should ever work. there shjouldn't be a removal of a bid for an auction and such. else it's just a scam.
feral ferry
Idk why there was even a way of transferring bids
I guess it's like a "best offer" system
Which is fine
solid bough
well when working with these scams, there has to be ways to just get more
feral ferry
But why do they transfer
NFTs are stupid
For now, at least
They have a potential future, but yeah that's far far away
slim token
It just needs to be better than 5 6 7 and the movies
7 was good, shut
bleak pike
https://hello.vrchat.com/blog/vrchat-security-update
It didn't even need anti cheat wtf
bleak pike
@nimble current wot
nimble current
vrchat is a chat/social thing isn't it, what purpose would an anti-cheat system serve in that context
or are there like games and stuff in it which could be exploited
nimble current
yeah that's about as much as I knew about it, like going to a virtual bar/club or something
what confuses me is why that sort of thing would need anti-cheat software
fringe salmon
no it does need something just not EAC
people stealing avatar models that were not set public for example
people actually using exploits or such to crash other lobbies
trim rock
Stealing avatar models? Sounds similar to right click saving NFTs! Absolutely disgusting!
fading spade
what happened with the debate about if teabagging in a game is the equivalent to a sexual assault? .-.
I wanna know the outcome and know if I need to lose more faith in humanity or not
wild wyvern
it's now bannable in apex legends
not mentioning anything about sexual assault but teabagging is now reportable
at least that's what I heard
wild wyvern
I mean, I don't have the chance to teabag anybody in apex legends anyways 😄
I am on the receiving side usually so...
and mostly I don't see it as I rage quit 😄
fading spade
Meanwhile in Splitgate, one of the loading screen tips actively promotes the use of teabagging!
Unless they removed that, the game had an update
rancid hearth
too bad more games don't allow attacking your opponents mental state along with their digital character
wild wyvern
it's rude but don't know if it's ban worthy...
rancid hearth
I've seen worse in rocket league chats, If you can be banned for something like a teabag that's a issue
wild wyvern
if they could get rid of all the cheats, then they can consider those tbh
cheats are much more annoying and it wastes all the time you spent on the game
fringe salmon
idk with cheats I know I wont win so I dont need to try, if my teammates get salty and type a storm of slurs instead of trying to win I get more mad because now that is losing us the game
wild wyvern
depends on the game
for battle royale, you play till the end, and last team is just messing with you with the cheats, makes you wanna uninstall the game
fringe salmon
well I see it as an issue of is the reason their team or my team, I just get more frustrated if my team throws/gets salty etc.
fading spade
People: Killing people in a video game is different than killing people IRL cause you are just shooting at a 3d model on a screen
The same People: Teabagging in a video game is the same as committing sexual assualt in real life and it needs to be a bannable offense
wild wyvern
you don't know if it's the same people 😄
willow quiver
surprisingly based
wild wyvern
well I see it as an issue of is the reason their team or my team, I just get mor...
that's true too
but some cheats are really unbeatable
fringe salmon
yeah but then I can ease my mind because its fully out of my control
raging teammate throwing a fit is something that just frustrates me more since that isn't based on ToS breaking things etc.
small comet
but some cheats are really unbeatable
like having a life and a girlfriend
wild wyvern
like having a life and a girlfriend
if you have a life and a girlfriend, forget about competitive gaming
at least that's what I am telling myself
small comet
i never was competetive
wild wyvern
I never could 😄
rancid hearth
I'm competitive against myself
wild wyvern
I guess if there were not so many smurfs or the matchmaking was much better, it would have been great for casual gaming too
multiplayer fps I mean
so the genre is not very welcoming to casual gamers
of course there are really good casual gamers too, but I don't think it's the majority
young crow
completely stopped playing fps games because the objective of the game can easily be automated completely by cheats
solid bough
Stealing an avatar though isn't the same as right clicking an NFT though.
rancid hearth
Some people pay for their avatars to be made so I'd say it's fair to prevent that
solid bough
aye, there's actual copyright behind it.
at least within the USA : just changing the colors around isn't exactly enough to qualify for 'transformative' works.
and on that same note : basic shapes also can't be copy/trademarked.
but that doesn't stop some assholes trying to copyright hexegons and sueing everyone that uses it
young crow
vrchat probably owns everything you upload anyways
fringe salmon
nope
at least last I looked into it they didn't because that way they didn't have to deal with being the copyright holder when someone uses a disney avatar for example
young crow
interesting, though dealing with c&ds isn’t exactly a lot of work
fringe salmon
well before this recent deal I also would've said because they dont want to lose their users
young crow
“EAC is the industry-leading anti-cheat service. It’s lightweight, effective, and privacy-focused. In short, for any game or platform looking to prevent malicious users from breaking the rules, it’s a powerful solution.”
privacy-focused lmao
fringe salmon
yeah by nature of an anti cheat that cant really be true if it wants to be effective lol
young crow
the intrusive ones have nothing to do with privacy by definition
battleye literally calls GetExtendedUdpTable, also claims to love privacy
gleaming olive
a fucking vr game having an anti cheat, what a world
That, and "anti cheats" being privacy-focused. At the end of the day, this is (what I deem) laziness to solve the actual issues allowing clients to cheat. How the fuck are people even cheating in VrChat... Hell, why would you? Isn't it mostly a "fuck around" type of social thing?
Not to mention, EAC literally reduces frames
barren pewter
we got singleplayer games with anti-cheat
didn't know why till they added a pay-to-win option
for a SINGLEPLAYER GAME
gleaming olive
trim rock
Paying for cheats is nothing new
gleaming olive
People need to stop buying games as soon as they release. Ideally they should wait about a year to see if they pull some bullshit.
Hell, pirating nowadays is a better option than buying some games 
With all the shit like DRM that requires internet access, anti cheats on single player games, and some other privacy concerns, why even bother paying for it?
That's not to say that pirating is good though. If you like a game and can support it, go for it, as long as said game isn't doing something funky.
Not to mention if they get revenue, they can develop a game later on in the future or develop free DLC (seems to be getting slightly more common).
barren pewter
Paying for cheats is nothing new
specifically the RE8 all access voucher
shit you can unlock through the extra content shop like new weapons and infinite ammo for them
or just pay a small fee and get it all automagically
which is stupid considering completing all challenges will give you enough to buy all of it with just under 10k points iirc
gleaming olive
You're misunderstanding why they're offering it though: most people don't want to invest the time or grind for them.
Stupid, but it generates profit for them.
solid bough
MTX generates profits because its exploitation.
One that is 100% purely unregulated
Thats why its horribly disgusting and no one wants it
But people still fall for it. Thats how abuse works.
small comet
idk why i can relate to the samurai description so much
despite me maining it
just so accurate
fringe salmon
tough jay
For a second I thought that was a yellow bag, which brought back some memories:
fading spade
RAFT IS STILL IN TOP 5 SELLERS
WTF!
this mini PC looks slick
idk wtf the specs are though
bleak pike
RAFT IS STILL IN TOP 5 SELLERS
prob because 1.0 came out
fading spade
Yeh! People love it
fringe salmon
nothing else is released or on sale so what else would be in top sellers
feral ferry
RAFT IS STILL IN TOP 5 SELLERS
Idk it's pretty ass
Stray is heartbreaking stuff though
Ngl I couldn't bear to watch a playthrough
It's short I heard though
bleak pike
bleak pike
amen
feral ferry
I thought that Steam already had an algorythm that detects massive spikes in negatives and doesn't include them
fringe salmon
thats usually just if its not after an actual game update
so a boycott when the dev says something bad etc.
but after an update it can be the game itself gets worse so it wont get auto removed
feral ferry
That is perfectly logical
bleak pike
peope are moving over to chilloutvr
barren pewter
huh
new GTA Online update
that's actually really fucking good
balance, patches, and making old content relevant again
bleak pike
So nothing new then
barren pewter
some new things iirc
bleak pike
new cars etc dont count
barren pewter
new weapon, new mods for old cars, new missions, adding to old content released previously
refreshing old stuff to make it RELEVANT today
no more of this "lmao just grind cayo perico heist for money lol"
bleak pike
its a shame red dead online was so shit
solid bough
Red Dead Online died for everything put on GTA Online
they could have made it as good or profitable if they wanted to, it was a choice that they didn't.
hell they could have given it a bunch of expansion content. did they come out with a zombie pack or sumthin yet?
young hill
no more of this "lmao just grind cayo perico heist for money lol"
They will not let you do it if you really wanted to anymore either cayo perico has a 40 minute cool down though
young hill
So nothing new then
New set of missions is alright
barren pewter
They will not let you do it if you really wanted to anymore either cayo perico h...
I remember just doing diamond casino heists with a buddy
going back and forth stealthy and con
ended up making a killing
and it was actually kinda fun
the cayo just...ugh
I like a heist I can do on my own but that one is so...meh
young hill
If you say so
young hill
ended up making a killing
That reminds me of not too long backtoback 5% hacker and paintings
Not that you get much more but there is a rush feeling
solid bough
btw why would anyone want the playstation vr, no one can get the consoles still
fringe salmon
because a shit ton of people have the console
it sold more than the ps4 in every month since release
solid bough
i thought only scalpers bought it
solid bough
no they buy stuff to prevent people from buying to set a higher price and profiteer off people.
bleak pike
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/w8vs7x/jason_schreier_the_star_wars_knights_of_the_old/
solid bough
scaplers don't count for 'people owning it'
fringe salmon
??
if people would not buy it at scalped prices, scalpers would have no reason to buy it
bleak pike
"indefinitely delayed" 
solid bough
that's now how it works quin.,
it's called artificial inflation.
also, of COURSE people are going to buy it.
so, preemptively : you out-buy people
then you re-sell at a higher price
because demands
and you get to set your own inflated price.
fringe salmon
so you think most ps5s are in the hand of scalpers or whats the logic here
solid bough
at first yes most playstations were in the hands of scalpers and you just can't get them in stores anywhere. It's probably doing better nowadays.
fringe salmon
im talking about now, how many of the over 20 million sold unitys are in the hands of scalpers
bleak pike
Twitter
fringe salmon
vs in the hands of users
solid bough
said 20million units sold also counts towards during the beginning too.
fringe salmon
and?
solid bough
though for real we don't have any real stats on the numbers anyways.
bleak pike
@young hill forge leasked
solid bough
like, we know in general hardware and consoles were scalped to high degrees. but we don't know exact numbers.
young hill
i saw some videos on it will be nice to have it in hands though
fringe salmon
ok but scalping doesnt matter
bleak pike
https://twitter.com/mr_rebs_/status/1551192018130542592?s=21&t=8NyktaViCK_gOWDYBUV7vw
https://twitter.com/mr_rebs_/status/1550566839557685253?s=21&t=8NyktaViCK_gOWDYBUV7vw
https://twitter.com/mr_rebs_/status/1550100869634576384?s=21&t=8NyktaViCK_gOWDYBUV7vw
https://twitter.com/mr_rebs_/status/1549836293122801664?s=21&t=8NyktaViCK_gOWDYBUV7vw
solid bough
if you say so. I just don't think the sale numbers are going to reflect the numbers of actual players due to scalper shenanigans muddling up statistics.
fringe salmon
so you think 10 million ps5s are just in limbo that scalpers have an are not selling
bleak pike
nobs
solid bough
cause if you look at GPUs : it didn't matter what the fuck it was, low range mid range or high range... everyone was scourging for scraps of ANYTHING driving up all sales, and sharply affecting statistics.
again I don't know the stats of it or how many, i wont say its 10 million though.
fringe salmon
so then you say more than 10 million are in the hands of users, so there you have the people who could want the psvr2
scalpers are not hoarding stuff and then hope its prices go up like bitcoint while its being made still???
solid bough
aye, eventually they gotta sell or go bust.
bleak pike
fringe salmon
so then it sounds reasonable that if its selling more than the ps4, that A LOT of them are not stuck in limbo
bleak pike
solid bough
there's probably still a chunk in limbo, all we gotta do is look at ebay and such. though yeah it's probably no where the same amount as it used to be. But yeah, what I said earlier was an over exaggeration.
solid bough
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/co...
also yeah this sucks to happen but kinda expected. Wasn't it mentioned from the start there was issues to tackle, such as basically redesigning the whole thing?
and play what games? the amount you could do on that would be........... extremely small....
barren pewter
tbh, the one game I was interested in on PSVR wasn't even a proper VR game, since it only was compatible with the dualshock
it was effectively RE7...but wearing the tv screen on your face
solid bough
yeah some were just that too
barren pewter
and everything downgraded to make it run
solid bough
consoles just really shouldn't yet
barren pewter
well, they should
but it should be a proper VR game
I hope that RE8 VR (yes, it's in the works) isn't another PSVR exclusive
that would blow
solid bough
consoles need to first adopt a more open environment yet, such as allowing more than pre-approved closed-development games.
once the console has a more open environment, it'd be much more suited for the niche of VR games
and other titles
lmao
thats unfair
Jaguar couldn't even do 64 bit 😂
barren pewter
V is right
PSVR was VR*
*on an extreme budget that was genuinely dreadful to use, but motion controllers per hand and screen in headset so whatevs, totally vr
solid bough
I hope that RE8 VR (yes, it's in the works) isn't another PSVR exclusive
100% going ot be. They already did RE4 VR exclusive. They'll do it again if shoved money in their face.
barren pewter
that's the other thing that bothers me
RE4 VR would have been...perfect
shame it's on a platform I wouldn't dare touch
solid bough
the PSVR also was tied to that awful camera too
fringe salmon
jaguar cant do 64bit? what
I never looked into it but I kinda doubt every ps4 game is 32 bit
solid bough
maybe my brain forgot, but I could have sworn it was a technicality in regards to the 64-bit part and it revolved around some technical tricks. and lots of marketing.
hold on lemme check on things
fringe salmon
yeah it is a 64bit capable cpu
solid bough
checking copetti
@fringe salmon yeah PS1 is a 32-bit. The main bus is a 32-bit that connects the MDEC and GPU and two sub-buses that is a 16-bit and a 8-bit that is used for everything else and the IO
fringe salmon
ps1???
fringe salmon
solid bough
the CPU runs at a 33mhz too
fringe salmon
jaguar is ps4...
solid bough
I thought
you meant Atari Jaguar 👀
or I thought V meant*
as an insult to the PSVR
bleak pike
Twitter
solid bough
was about to go all into a discussion regarding early CD consoles here
solid bough
lmao
inside out vr set. yeah they would.
give me the fuckin neural implant. fuckit. I'll fanboy valve for that.
barren pewter
inside out vr set. yeah they would.
uh
if the patents published are anything to go off of
they are actively working on one
solid bough
i thought it was a joke 👀 like "insert crazy idea because valve does crazy ideas"
solid bough
okay what is "inside out"?
barren pewter
the headset tracks it's location based on cameras on the headset
barren pewter
outside in is using shit outside like Valve's lighthouses to determine location
solid bough
valve did favor the base sensors.
yeah but there was a bonus for also detecting the other devices too
young hill
That seems like a matter to investigate
solid bough
randomly break?
they are said to be fragile but i've accidentally dropped one before and it still worked.
but having needed lots of firmware updates way back? much yes
hallow python
Yo anyone tryna play valorant?
I need one more for comp
4 Bronze 1's
Dm me if you wanna play
fading spade
solid bough
something new and fresh to an old franchise
you had like... how many...
GTA 1 2 3 VC being basically the same characters, copy pasted.. Not counting the side ones cause I forgot what the fuck they were like the england one and the Stories.
GTA SA 4 and 5 threw in some personality.
and, honestly, in other games it was the side characters that had personalities.
gimme some of that Lance Vance Dance
feral ferry
Personally I believe GTA needs a proper free roam
More stuff to do
Campaign is not infinitely replayable with full satisfaction, I'd want a lot of extra stuff to do
Like random encounters such as races and enjoyable police chases
The potential is there but simulating real world probably isn't a possibility yet
barren pewter
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/grand-theft-auto-vi-will-have-female-main-character-...
meh
more important details would be better
like new features, visual improvements from GTA V, release date, online mode, etc.
nimble current
obligatory wokestar comment
barren pewter
basically no one plays the campaign for GTA V lol
nimble current
I played thru the whole thing
barren pewter
likewise
nimble current
GTAO is just a trainwreck
orchid prism
basically no one plays the campaign for GTA V lol
They don't play the thing they paid for?
barren pewter
during internet outages...because those were shockingly common for me around when I got GTA V
feral ferry
basically no one plays the campaign for GTA V lol
Except the speedrunners
solid bough
people play the campaign for GTA V. but for continued play it eventually goes towards online
orchid prism
If you can get yourself to play GTAO for more than a few hours - in total, you're a stubborn one 😄
nimble current
if you even last that long before some hacker gets you banned
feral ferry
GTAO isn't actually bad
If you use the network exploit
Where you force disconnect from lobby and go effectively singleplayer
orchid prism
Where you force disconnect from lobby and go effectively singleplayer <:lul:5764...
It's still a shitshow.
The way to earn anything is slower than molasses - Which is also why I stopped playing RDO.
It literally took two to three weeks of logging in every day (welcome back bonuse streak that breaks if you miss even a single day!), doing a couple of hours worth of game. Just to unlock a new "profession"
feral ferry
Didn't they launch a new patch where they increased job rewards
orchid prism
Didn't they launch a new patch where they increased job rewards
They ran a Twitch campaign a year or two ago where they handed you a free everything to get started. Like a couple of million bucks, clothes, cars, a secret bunker and a business HQ.
And in spite all of that it still felt like I was playing an MMO - but without a sense of getting anywhere 😄
feral ferry
I think I remember getting like 2M for free
So I bought a bunker to do those missions
It got boring 30 mins later
orchid prism
The irony is that you were genuinely encouraged to not play the game and just attack other players and harvest what they spent hours doing.
In RDO you get to set up a moonshine racket. At the end of each production cycle, you have to CAREFULLY wagon the bottles to town from way out in the countryside - drive bad and shit breaks, you get paid less.
But... anyone could grab the wagon and hand it in for the entire payout. The game literally turned into having players just camp the towns waiting for new players to come hand in anything (most professions has this style of mechanic) and grab shit from everyone after they headshotted them from a roof.
barren pewter
Where you force disconnect from lobby and go effectively singleplayer <:lul:5764...
they made it so you can do sell missions in invite-only lobbies
finally
feral ferry
https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2022/07/27/hogwarts-legacy-release-date-possibly-december-2022/
@barren pewter
Terraria's development finished, technically, but they aren't stopping with the QoL stuff
trim rock
Yeah, right, sure
feral ferry
Hogwarts legacy looks like it will be a Pog game
It looks like one of those phone games that you'd have to pay for to replenish your energy or wait 1 hour for one move
But that's not bad, cause they are promising MTX-free experience
ashen lark
It looks like one of those phone games that you'd have to pay for to replenish y...
Yes I was very worried about that
feral ferry
And there is a void of good magic games, so I am happy
ashen lark
But since no micro transactions it should be way better
I was really worried it will be like the mobile game
feral ferry
I am scared for lack of content
That you'll be forced to do a questline instead of being a student
But we'll see
Also it needs a sizeable world to boot, experience the game
unique bane
Lol, Cohh invested in Pantheon 💪
ripe tendon
Recently? I assumed he did that fucking years ago
unique bane
Recently? I assumed he did that fucking years ago
Nop, just live on stream right now
6.8k ppl watching rn
He will be able to stream Pre-alpha 24/7 in september
feral ferry
Lol, Cohh invested in Pantheon 💪
Poor man got scammed
slim token
vague walrus
anyone tried the 60he on destiny 2 ????
bleak pike
anyone tried the 60he on destiny 2 ????
Won't work
Bungie doesn't allow 2 inputs at once
solid bough
😂
btw if new AMD drivers amp up performance of OpenGL .... I wonder how much that will reflect in performance of Dwarf Fortress 🤔
orchid prism
DF is 100 about that single core CPU.
solid bough
for the most part. But it IS still OpenGL and does do rendering.
orchid prism
It's not suffering under that though.
solid bough
yeah I know, any frame drops gonna be from CPU end
but maybe some crazy mad lad could figure out something idunno
feral ferry
btw if new AMD drivers amp up performance of OpenGL .... I wonder how much tha...
Prolly double
Most peeps experienced roughly anywhere from 30% to 100% perf boost
fading spade
NINTENDO CONFIRMED THE TRACKS FOR MKARIOKART WAVE 2
feral ferry
Okay and
fading spade
fading spade
waluigi pinball <3 <3
feral ferry
Why did ask, the answer's obvious
orchid prism
Most peeps experienced roughly anywhere from 30% to 100% perf boost
0% increase. Cause DF has never had issues with the GPU side. It's a 2D sprite game with really, REALLY poor CPU optimization and SO many things to calculate 😄
solid bough
@orchid prism okay nvm, it doens't have OpenCL >.<
feral ferry
0% increase. Cause DF has never had issues with the GPU side. It's a 2D sprite g...
I mean if it's on openGL it should be affected
fringe salmon
I mean if it's on openGL it should be affected
no
solid bough
I don't think it's poorly optimized. I just think it has to do so much shit
orchid prism
Well no. Cause it's entirely CPU limited xD
feral ferry
That's not DF's problem but AMD's bad drivers
fringe salmon
ìt could be a 10x increase in opengl, if the cpu is the bottleneck it will be 0 fps more
solid bough
hoping it would have at least some cross stuff like OpenCL but it doesn't
feral ferry
Fair enough
fringe salmon
also opengl is not opencl
solid bough
didn't say it was.
feral ferry
With the new patch, maybe they'll optimize the game a bit
solid bough
not mutually exclusive.
feral ferry
It seems to be releasing fairly soon
solid bough
I was meaning some way of, like, splitting the tasks between CPU/GPU and such.
solid bough
who?
trim rock
Yeah, actually the one thing that's multithreaded in DF is the graphics stuff ecks dee
orchid prism
feral ferry
I've never played DF but it seems really good
solid bough
enables rendermax
feral ferry
Especially the new patch screenshots
solid bough
Dwarf Fortress is super good
feral ferry
I know but I'm waiting
trim rock
I will buy the premium ver. just for giggles and then switch it to text mode because it looks awesome
feral ferry
When it's on steam I'll give it a go
feral ferry
What's the premium version about?
solid bough
i haven't bene spoiling myself on the newer stuff. btu this looks so pretty i can cry
premium as in Steam Version*
orchid prism
More "user friendly" UI and skins.
solid bough
cause thats 20 dollars needed for donation more or less adn to keep the project going
feral ferry
Did they announce that Steam version's gon be paid?
trim rock
Well no, the only difference between premium and classic is that the premium version is gonna come with fancy graphics and music and stuff, the classic version is gonna look like that screenshot and will always be free
feral ferry
I'm withholding my hype for now if it's good or not
I hope it's better than rimworld at the very least
trim rock
And people can keep making their own graphics mods too