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[quasi field]

I don't really pay attention to microphones so I don't have any recommendations as I don't know what's the best right now

[white jackal]

that's fair

microphones arent really something you buy more of if the one you have works and nobody complains about it

[quasi field]

I just use the microphone my Astro has

The Astro has a pretty good performing microphone for a wireless headset

Compare to the Maxwell microphone I had before. Terrible

[white jackal]

god damn

wtf is that dip at 10k

[quasi field]

Idk though I'm not sure how relevant that is for a microphone you just use for casual talking

It's the big boost in the bass I really dislike. I sounded very boomy and terrible

[white jackal]

yeah its probably not super relevant but still

that is hilarious

[quasi field]

@grok

[crude talon]

suspiciously just enough to get out of the 14 day return window

[quasi field]

I hate the term brain burn-in

And I still stand by the idea that if you have to get used to the sound then the sound is probably not good in the first place

Good neutral sound will immediately sound good I say

[white jackal]

i liked my planars right away

idk what all that bs is about tho

audio mfs combining with ai slop merchants might just be the recipe for maximum nonsense

[quasi field]

The AI also just sources trash from Reddit, Headfi and other bad places

In that post it's using typical audiophool talking points like transient response

So clearly just sourcing garbage from garbage forums

«speed»

[white jackal]

those mfs coming up with their own form of technobabble is something else

[quasi field]

Speed is just frequency response

Higher frequencies = faster

A headphone that plays to 40 kHz is faster than a headphone that plays to 30 kHz

[white jackal]

a slow headphone is a headphone submerged in molasses

[quasi field]

A headphone that plays up to 20 Khz is just as fast as it needs to be

[white jackal]

my new headphone is faster than my old one, previously all my music was at 90 bpm now its at 150

[proper vector]

Too slow

Gotta overclock

[quasi field]

Yes and when music has 500 Hz signals it plays it back at 520 Hz

[white jackal]

my headphone can vibrate faster than any other headphone on the planet

your headphone vibrates 1000 times per second mine does 10000

[fringe yacht]

since when is the headset responsible for the speed of the music

[proper vector]

simple - faster headset

[quasi field]

A very very common audiophile belief is the idea that headphones have different speeds in the sense that they will «react» quicker to signals, so a «fast» headphone begins sooner and ends faster. This is a common marketing trick when trying to sell planar magnetic headphones. But it's a nonsensical concept and should be ignored

You can see how «fast» a headphone is by looking at the frequency response

[fringe yacht]

i mean even i as a total audio noob know that bpm is regulated by the music files and player, not some speakers/headphones

[white jackal]

you see there's this advanced concept in linguistics called a "joke", you might not have heard about it

[quasi field]

Headphones with little bass and/or a lot of treble might be perceived as «fast» but it has nothing to do with actual speed. It's just a brain thing

[frigid ivy]

https://youtu.be/M6L1BHYUTuI?si=p_MokZQ4DKV7ILT0

That channel balance is rough

[white jackal]

why would you buy koss when its not basically free

[quasi field]

Look at this post by Floyd E. Toole

[proper vector]

[frigid ivy]

The moondrop old fashion and the fiio eh11 are both starting to eat koss on ear market share

[fringe yacht]

ok, now these are some really ugly headphones if i ever saw some plus they look like they'd be absurdly uncomfortable to wear as well 😅

[proper vector]

But it says ComfortZone on them

[white jackal]

god i cant wait for my dac to come, losing my mind at my cable when its connected to my pc

[frigid ivy]

They still thicker earpads to make the comfort better now

[proper vector]

I need a DAC for PC too
I love my KA17, but it's annoying having to remember about it everytime I leave home

[white jackal]

i can tell you if i like the one i bought

[proper vector]

[white jackal]

what the fuck is that

why are left and right so far apart at times

[frigid ivy]

Koss qc

[frigid ivy]

DX1 ii seems to be the hype of the month

Fiio k11 if you wanna stick with fiio

[quasi field]

You want good channel matching?

[white jackal]

god damn

[frigid ivy]

Early HD800 had god tier channel matching

[proper vector]

Yeah, K11 seems like no-brainer
It'll have to wait a bit still, gotta keep some money for travels

[quasi field]

Early? Why did they stop? Have to save money on their $1800 headphones?

[frigid ivy]

I mean it's still good but just not as insane as when they first started producing

You know how companies do silent revisions

[quasi field]

I hope you're buying the proper one and not the R2R version

[proper vector]

Will it be faster?

[frigid ivy]

Some people like the distortion caused by cheap r2r dac

[proper vector]

Apparently Google decided that instead of FiiO K11 I must be interested in getting DVD collection of K11 – Kommissare im Einsatz

[quasi field]

Don't worry I asked ChatGPT which to choose

[quasi field]

In most cases I assume the distortion is too high to be audible anyway

[proper vector]

experiencing timbre

[quasi field]

So probably placebo most of the time

Same with valve amplifiers

But yes R2R is outdated inferior technology. Don't buy it

It's a total audiophile meme and waste of time and money

[proper vector]

But it only costs 50% more

[quasi field]

The K11 R2R measures «like crap», however I bet money you wouldn't be able to hear this

If you take the Klippel distortion test you can find out how hard it actually is to hear distortion this far down

https://www.klippel.de/listeningtest/

Yes I would because those two are expensive, and the AKG ones are probably more comfortable while also sounding better after measuring and EQing hem

[white jackal]

every time i read chatgpt output it makes me want to redacted

idk if it speaks like all the most annoying people on the planet or if all the most annoying people on the planet use it to speak for them

[quasi field]

The ChatGPT prose always makes me imagine a soyjak

ChatGPT is made to sound like a 38 year old Redditor dad that likes modern God of War

Why do I have 3 different Logitech programs

Options+ is for the mouse and keyboard I think. G HUB is for Astro. Options is just an outdated version of Options+ I think

[crude talon]

why do you have to remember it

[quasi field]

I hate how they need separate programs for the gaming and office stuff

[proper vector]

To listen to stuff on me phone

[quasi field]

Those are just part of the frequency response

A good frequency response will by definition also have good «imaging»

And by good frequency response I mean a neutral one, since neutral and good are synonymous. The most accurate imaging will come from having the most accurate frequency response/sound
And good channel matching is very important of course

[crude talon]

ah i usually turn off my k11 when i leave my pc so i was thinking it was something like that

the fiio i used with my phone killed the battery immediately

[quasi field]

Sharur only has one unit so it's hard to say how good the QC is

You can try it. It's not expensive so mostly harmless to try

But getting measurement equipment can be very beneficial regardless not just for that pair but any other pair of in-ears you might have or get in the future

[white jackal]

ultimate audiophile setup: buying a 20k usd measuring rig so you can perfectly tune your headphones with it

[frigid ivy]

Nah it's getting your HRTF measured

[white jackal]

or even better: make a hrtf measuring setup so you can tune every headphone to your head

[quasi field]

But if you buy a rig then you are (besides channel matching) only getting the ability to make it sound any way you want on that rig, and not your own head

I am considering sending my Astros to Oratory so he can measure them. That way I can correct for any potential channel imbalance they have. They have channel imbalance on measured units online so logically mine will too

[white jackal]

can you not kinda do it vibes based

[quasi field]

It's not great channel matching

Another unit (A50 X is the same headphone)

Quite different bass levels too pointing towards further issues

Very cheap yes

Unfortunately?

[obtuse dove]

I haven't had issues with delivery on aliexpress

Yes he's serious about it

[obtuse dove]

This tbh

[quasi field]

If you have $20k you should just buy loudspeakers

If I were rich I'd have a surround setup using 8341 speakers

[obtuse dove]

So true lmao

[frigid ivy]

Nah it's getting room treatment for speakers

[white jackal]

what if you live in new york and your apartment is the size of a closet and if you make too much noise the nypd anti terror squad shows up

20k sounds like reasonable rent for that apartment

i am the opposite, i will pay extra to NOT buy from amazon

[round lagoon]

If I have that money, I would set aside $2k for speaker setup and pocket the rest lmao.

[obtuse dove]

Or a Dolby atmos 11.1.8 loudspeaker setup and calibrated with a mic

[white jackal]

audio stuff is kinda like wine

as soon as its over 10 bucks, the only difference you can perceive happens when someone tells you the price

[quasi field]

Calibration is essential for a serious speaker setup imo. More important than room treatment, unless you're in a completely naked chamber at least

[white jackal]

imagine having to recalibrate your speaker setup every time you leave something on the table 😭

[quasi field]

That's not really true. There are no speakers that beat the Neumann KH 120 II at that price ||or any price||

[frigid ivy]

Screw speakers, gimme that brain implant that lets me steam music directly into my brain

https://tenor.com/view/future-is-now-old-man-future-is-now-malcolm-in-the-middle-iota-tanglevision-gif-22172633

[quasi field]

Are those the AKG ones or the Samsung ones?

[obtuse dove]

lowk it kinda doesnt matter

no they are the same iirc

[quasi field]

They look identical physically apart from the mesh

[obtuse dove]

reportedly there are some EI-IA500s that come with the nicer mesh

[obtuse dove]

it depends on the OEM that is making them

or what they have on hand

[quasi field]

No idea. Amazon is so damn confusing to me

[obtuse dove]

dunno, because these are also the same pack-in earbuds that they used to include in a lot of older galaxy phones

but they had chnages over the years

[quasi field]

«Get these, they are only $13!»

[frigid ivy]

https://youtu.be/PuN4PtxnWV0?si=3DgPHvqGXmAVFy3e

[quasi field]

Group delay is such a useless misleading metric that Rtings actually stopped doing it recently and removed all the group delay measurements

Funny timing of that video since I talked about that earlier

«Metal571 disagrees»
🤣

The talkinghead placebo YouTuber with no technical knowledge disagrees

[frigid ivy]

yeah unfortunately he was from a time where people were just vibe reviewing with no real data to back anything up

[quasi field]

That Reddit post is 6 years old and it's very different then from now

If distortion is low you can EQ Porta Pros into LCD 4 (meaning sounding bad)

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/excnnq/sean_olive_guy_who_made_the_harman_curve_says/

I'm so glad these days are behind us

[obtuse dove]

Yeah there is no such thing as resolution in the analog world

He is very much right.

Resolution really only exists in the digital world

[frigid ivy]

there are still a lot of vibe reviewers who still have decent influence on the audio space

Joshua Valour for one

[quasi field]

Most of them are vibe reviewers. At least in the over-ear space

[frigid ivy]

spend so much time and money on the production quality of his video but not even remotely invest in some kind of measurement tool

[quasi field]

His content is mostly useless imo

[frigid ivy]

kinda evident by the fact that he's trying to branch out to other product review type

[obtuse dove]

Unfortunately yeah

[quasi field]

He's kind of like Optimum if Optimum didn't make useful content

[obtuse dove]

Lmaooooo

[round lagoon]

Hmm, so expensive planar headphone that's bright is usually viewed as fast.

[obtuse dove]

Yet their FRs show that they have horrible sonic performance

[frigid ivy]

also the linear bass, compared to dynamics usually having a humpy bass

so the treble stands out a little more

[obtuse dove]

Eh any good DD has smooth bass assuming they are tuned for smooth bass

[frigid ivy]

linear as in flat

dynamics usually have a mid bass hump

[obtuse dove]

Not all of them

[frigid ivy]

I know

[obtuse dove]

Actually a majority of newer DDs lack any sort of hump

And more follow an HRTF type FR

[frigid ivy]

which is good but I'm talking about historically

[obtuse dove]

Fair

[frigid ivy]

that's why the stereotype emerged

[obtuse dove]

And headphone DDs historically have a rolloff

In the bass region

But a lot of newer DD headphones have significantly better low bass extension

[frigid ivy]

mid bass warmth/bloom gives off a "slow" sound to most people

[obtuse dove]

Fair

[frigid ivy]

same with estat, they are similar to planar

[obtuse dove]

Planars are so hard to recommend because their treble performance is always lacking unless you pay top dollar for something like a DC audio planar headphone.

[frigid ivy]

the XV are pretty inoffensive at $400

other than wobbly mids

on unit variation

[obtuse dove]

Channel balance is horrible however

Wait wrong one

Lemme try copying again

Ahh I can't find the unsmoothed graph

[obtuse dove]

Tbh I've seen worse in planars

But it makes them harder to EQ

[quasi field]

This is concerning

[frigid ivy]

I agree, but people still enjoy them

[white jackal]

ive seen the xv perform well for some people and worse for others

[quasi field]

I actually posted about this a while back

https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/comments/1sfwysy/how_audible_could_the_wiggliness_here_be/

[white jackal]

they seem like the kinda headphones you should just try in person before purchase

[quasi field]

This is my post. Same headphone

[frigid ivy]

it's the least amount of treble murder from heefeeman

[frigid ivy]

DMS's unit was terri-bad

[white jackal]

i know that dms had issues with edition xv

[quasi field]

Almost all Hifiman headphones have issues

[white jackal]

i was considering the edition xv but i decided to stick with what i have

[quasi field]

And their pricing is very stupid

[white jackal]

their high end pricing makes no sense

i do think that edition xs is good tho

[frigid ivy]

people also really like the HE600

[quasi field]

I bought the Arya when it was $1500 here. Now it's way cheaper

Also funnily enough now that it is far cheaper people seem to think less of it

Since audiophilia is 50% price bias

[obtuse dove]

Frrrrrr

[frigid ivy]

1500 can get you a HE1000SE now lol

or Arya UV

[quasi field]

And I hated it

It was the worst headphone I heard last time I went to a headphone store

[frigid ivy]

[round lagoon]

Dem (EQ still WIP). I'm trying to eq this IEM to taste and accidentally ended up with JM1

Im using harman 2019 as base since I eqed IEM with 2019 to taste before.

gonna try simpiflying this

Hmm, bass wise, I still kinda prefer the original.

[obtuse dove]

Holy treble drop off

[round lagoon]

I think this will be what I settle on. It has warmth while having the sound profile that I like.

This makes Piano sounds like Bosendorfer piano

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2GYYV8JSqM

For comparison with other piano. I listened to this and conclude that Bosendorfer sounds the best to my ears. It has focus, calm, and strength (especially with the extra keys on the left that creates even deeper sound). Which is also what my EQ sounds like to me.

[sharp fiber]

Less even lol

[mint yoke]

thinking about the XG27UQDMS tandem qd-oled

[frigid ivy]

[round lagoon]

deep penetration

[frigid ivy]

[fringe yacht]

xD

gotta feel that music xD

[crude talon]

Etymotics but better

[round lagoon]

@trim atlas Astro A50 Gen 5

cleaner graph wise compared to maxwell 2

wireless headset is not my specialties but I do know a good headphone when it's graphed well without EQ.

[quasi field]

Definitely Astro over Maxwell. Maxwell has a terrible microphone too

I haven't been able to find a better wireless headset than the A50 Gen 5

[trim atlas]

thanks 🙂

[vague sparrow]

ok I got the aful explorer I really like it now I am looking at the odyssey 1 and tea pro might end up getting these

What is your opinion on the odyssey 1 and the tea pro?

[round lagoon]

most are pretty JM1 ish, but it all really depends on what you like/dislike about the explorer and wanting certain part to be more/less

[vague sparrow]

would like a little bit less dark

honestly the aful is so good but sometime it is too much cotton like

[round lagoon]

Then I would suggest tea pro, it's much more forward on the 1k-2k while having higher treble and bass

[quasi field]

Too much midbass?

I recommend EQing it to be more Harman-like below 1 kHz

[vague sparrow]

I dont know it is almost muffled

[quasi field]

The bass is more «separated» with it

[vague sparrow]

Yeah I considered the odyssey might be too close to the explorer

[vague sparrow]

with the harman setting?

[quasi field]

Yes

[round lagoon]

something like this should suffice

[quasi field]

I hate the JM-1 tuning here

[vague sparrow]

ok 204 -1.3

[quasi field]

This is very low fidelity to me

[round lagoon]

I like JM1, but it needs the treble to be right/different for me

[quasi field]

@vague sparrow

Just do the PEQdB target shootout

https://peqdb.com/#shootout

[vague sparrow]

I just did it I have that

[quasi field]

That's the ranking you got?

[vague sparrow]

yes

now I need to import that to an eq?

[quasi field]

Yes

Are you on PC or phone

[vague sparrow]

pc

with peace right?

[quasi field]

Peace isn't necessary. That's just an addon for Equaliser APO

Equaliser APO is what you need

[vague sparrow]

ok will try

[quasi field]

[white jackal]

No, you cant eq your functional fiio ft1 pro to sound exactly like a broken hd800s

How will you get the rattling and creaking that appear at lower frequencies

[rough cargo]

the price tho is it worth it?

[quasi field]

It's good with EQ. Without it sounds mediocre

And I found the comfort poor

[white jackal]

Are they even manufactured in germany anymore

[quasi field]

Ireland now

The ones I had were Irish and they came with a dust filter missing in one ear which made it unbearable to listen to

[white jackal]

Manufacturing in ireland cant be that much cheaper

[quasi field]

I didn't actually know the dust filter was missing. I didn't notice it when I took it out of the box. I only noticed it after listening because I quickly got pain in my right ear and when I took the headphones off the right cup didn't have the dust filter

There was some kind of resonance or something that was giving me intense earpain without the filter

[elfin kayak]

this deal shows up from time to time

[quasi field]

I got mine for quite cheap

That's 1 212 euro

[versed fossil]

i dont want to know how much money youve spent on headphones

[quasi field]

I don't want to know either. It was all a big stupid waste

If you want the best sound you have to understand what makes a good headphone good, and not just buy things because they are expensive with good reputation

[deep hawk]

To the typical consumer? Of course not.
Funny thing with the idea of "worth it" though... Some people have enormous amounts of money such that any size purchase becomes irrelevant, and others attach enormous value to meaningless or insignificant things...

[rough cargo]

ya, I meant like worth in terms of a long-term investment over getting cheaper stuff that one might replace more often

[tribal shadow]

then no

[deep hawk]

Definitely not

[tribal shadow]

it won't last 10 times longer than a 170€ headphone

it might last 100 times longer than a 17€ headphone i guess?

[rough cargo]

so I should rather get something like beyerdynamic?

[deep hawk]

Get a pair of headphones in the €150 to €250 range, that are 2 or 3 years behind the newest generation

Ignore the audiophiles who will tell you your head might explode

Then just enjoy them without trying to compare them to anything else

[white jackal]

I would recommend going to an audio store in your area and listening to a bunch of different headphones to see what kind of sound signature you are going for

Then you can do some research online what fits that/is similar and buy one of the cheaper options that you think looks nice

[rough cargo]

oki, rn I got the DT 990 Edition (600 Ohm ones), are pretty good

[white jackal]

After that you can EQ it to your liking and customize it to how you want it

I personally found a pair of headphones i am happy with and i just did a very slight tweak on the EQ

(Hifiman edition xs)

[deep hawk]

I got a Sony xm4 primarily for its noise cancellation on airplanes

Meets expectations, sounds fine, am happy

[white jackal]

I dont fly enough to justify buying a noise cancelling pair

[deep hawk]

I fly a couple times a year, long haul so it makes a huge difference

[quasi field]

Just EQ instead. Headphones have compromised sound without EQ most of the time

[quasi field]

Not at all. Expensive headphones are typically not better than cheaper ones, and the build quality is also typically not better either. A good investment in headphones is just a good headphone regardless of price

[vital gorge]

i got a dt 770 pro, like it, a beyerdynamic mmx 200. not bad either. and a sony xm5. only like it for noise cancelling. had to use the in app EQ to make it somewhat non muddy sounding

[tribal shadow]

💀 beyerdynamics are kinda ass imo

sennheiser does have decent options at lower pricepoints

[obtuse dove]

yeah

[round lagoon]

hd560/505 is pretty noice

[quasi field]

They pretty much all have flawed frequency responses. The DT 900 Pro X looks the most decent but it has an ugly dip around 4k

[rough cargo]

ya, that's why I applied this autoeq thingy to it

[quasi field]

Okay actually the 990 Pro X looks better

[hybrid quail]

I need a DAC with per-channel 10-band (or more) PEQ, any options beside the Qudelix 5K?

[frigid ivy]

budget?

[obtuse dove]

do you absolutely need hardware level peq?

or do you think you can get away with something like equalizer apo?

[hybrid quail]

I don't want to use software EQ due to CPU overhead

I know it's minimal, but still

[obtuse dove]

cpu overhead is basically non-existent

[white jackal]

Maybe if you‘re running a pentium from 2004

[obtuse dove]

yeah if you have any decently modern cpu you are fine with using software level eq

[hybrid quail]

There's a small but measureable difference in CPU utilization for audiodg.exe with EQ on

[hybrid quail]

120 euro

[obtuse dove]

right but in reality its not going to make a difference

not even a loss in fps

[frigid ivy]

lots of options portable but very few desktop

probably Protocal Max portable/Topping DX1 ii desktop

[obtuse dove]

the only real concern is latency, which even then it is small relative to the entire audio api latency, or even compared to the latency difference in the DSP applying the EQ

[white jackal]

I would use the software peq for now. If you notice any issues/performance problems or whatever you can always decide to get something later

But slightly elevated cpu usage is not really of concern unless it tanks your fps which it probably will not

Better to not spend any money and use a software solution than spending money on a problem that might not even exist

You can always go back and buy something later when you do experience a significant loss in performance (which is honestly kinda doubt)

[hybrid quail]

Thanks

[hybrid quail]

I'll benchmark it and see if there are any measurable differences in performance

But yeah there probably aren't

[white jackal]

Just play games with it on

If you dont notice the difference, it is not a problem

Even if the benchmark says you lose 5 avg fps in counter strike

[frigid ivy]

the "per channel" part makes it harder and I'm not sure if those devices can do that

[hybrid quail]

The topping can

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/gaming-ready-dac-headphone-amp-topping-dx1-ii.980365/

DX1 ll supports up to 10 bands of fully customizable PEQ adjustment. With TOPPING's self-developed tuning algorithm and TOPPING Tune software, you can precisely adjust frequency, gain, and bandwidth, with independent left/right channel settings available.

Not sure about the protocol max

[frigid ivy]

oh cool

[obtuse dove]

I have one, you cannot

[lunar holly]

new dac?

[obtuse dove]

topping DX1 2 has been out for a bit

[lunar holly]

ah guess ive been missing out then

how is it?

i need a new desktop dac for at home

[obtuse dove]

good for a budget amp/dac combo

[lunar holly]

[lunar holly]

bet

had the fiio k11 but sold that bih a while ago

kinda regretted it only cus i need a desktop now

[obtuse dove]

lmao, well the DX1 2 is pretty good as far as sub 150 dollar goes

[lunar holly]

alright good to know
ill look into it in the future

any other recs?

sub 200 or 150

feel like i've been missing out on sum ever since i sold my k11

[obtuse dove]

hmm, do you already have like a decent DAC of some sorts?

because if you do you might just be able to get away with just an amplifier

and with that you can get a lot more power

[lunar holly]

I have the moondrop dawn pro 2

But I want to only use ít when I go out like when I’m at school

[obtuse dove]

I guess you can get a jds labs atom amp since that dac is already pretty decent

you get a lot more power with the atom amp

2600mW per channel

[lunar holly]

Ở

You think I need ít at all for kem usage?

[obtuse dove]

kem?

[lunar holly]

Iem

iPhone auto correct

Oop

[obtuse dove]

oh, wait lowk, why do you need a desktop unit then if its just IEMs?

[lunar holly]

Just cus LMAO

[obtuse dove]

the only real reason to buy a desktop unit is for driving large headphones

[lunar holly]

[obtuse dove]

ok yeah dont waste your money, the dawn pro is more than enough for IEMs

[lunar holly]

[obtuse dove]

[round lagoon]

Hmm, I wanna experiment something later. What if I modify my 490 pro + bass EQ to have the bass rises to be earlier.

Like a slight dip at 250hz and then a 2db rise.

Like, the EQ i made to be more comformant to harman 2018 is still just 'okay' on the bass. So that part is not quite 'neutral' yet for me.

[fiery surge]

Hello everyone- whats your opinion on the Scyrox V8 and X2H CrazyLight Mini?

[obtuse dove]

Maybe not X2H specifically but X2 crazylight mini yes

[lunar holly]

X2 CL

[fiery surge]

Okie ty that made it pretty easy

Ordered the x2h crazylight mini

[fiery surge]

I saw the x2 mini and it has a less aggressive hump

I noticed my office mouse has a very aggressive hump and is almost the same size as the x2h cl mini

And it felt so nice in my palm

Its coating is completely gone and shiny but im still able to grip it well

[elfin kayak]

ATK X1 Air specs

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, honestly they're both good, I love my crazylight

[quasi field]

https://youtu.be/V8ULkBHxIOs

Maxwell has such a messy wobbly tuning

[obtuse dove]

What in the

[quasi field]

I don't know why in an engineering sense planars so often are more messy and noisy

It's very visible with Amir's unsmoothed and non-averaged measurements

[obtuse dove]

My best guess is that the diaphragm is occluded by the magnets in like a stripe pattern, this kinda acts like a diffraction grating of sorts which causes the sound waves to bend as it spreads out from each of the channels.

[quasi field]

Guess which is planar 😁

[obtuse dove]

Another big issue with planars is that a lot of the sound is reflected back at the diaphragm which causes it to have to work against its own reflections it produced a few microseconds earlier.

And this mainly affects the sonic frequencies which is probably why they tend to have messy treble

Or mmmm

That's probably not why

It's probably because the wavelength is small enough to where it's comparable to the gaps between the magnets which causes it to bend more and be more susceptible to chaotic interferences.

I guess the easiest way to get around this is to design waveguides like DC audio does but that requires a lot of trial and error.

[quasi field]

Sadly I don't have any experience designing a headphone

[obtuse dove]

Me neither, ts just from intuition of what I already know about harmonics.

And acoustics in a mechanical engineering context

[round lagoon]

ooo yeah, it's all coming together

First impression, damn, the bass actually almost feels nice now. Also retains the qualities of hd490 that I like

Did some adjustment

Gonna give this like 20-30 min more listen

[round lagoon]

This feels very song dependent. Song with a prominent enough bass I can feel improvement, but for song that barely have bass it's the same. This is good.

Treble feels too high though.

@quasi field I think I found my neutral tune now.

This is pretty close to hd490's other pads, it's just that, the 2khz dip makes it sound weird to me to like it. (The dip that's commonly present in hifiman's headphone/hd800s)

[pure matrix]

Tmr finalscam

[patent patrol]

new finalmouse looks very interesting

mechanical switch + analog sensor

quality just gotta be good

[obtuse dove]

Hmm? Finalmeme?

[obtuse dove]

How does that work, you can't really change the actuation point of the switch

Or should I say

The point of tactility

That's a major major flaw in my opinion

Logitech solved this problem by making the buttons haptic which is perfectly sufficient

However with this the point of tactility is completely different from the point of actuation

So it clicks before it even mechanically actuates the switch which makes zero sense

It also nullifies any potential benefit of analog input like rapid trigger because you only have one static point of tactile feedback.

The design is so wrong on so many levels

It's laughable that it's gotten this far into development without someone saying that there are these pretty glaring issues

As much as I would love to clown on Logitech the HITS system is genuinely a great innovation, it's just that its potential is not yet fully realized.

[patent patrol]

question is if that matters

[obtuse dove]

It does, because it clicks before you feel it actually click

Can't do rapid trigger either because you won't have any tactile feedback

[white jackal]

you should correct this message to "As much as I would love to clown on Logitech, they are going against finalmouse here so it is hard to look worse in comparison"

[obtuse dove]

The thing is at least Logitech's system makes sense

Finalmouse's system makes zero sense

It feels even more rushed than the Logitech HITS system

[lofty willow]

Yeah it will probably be weird. Same as tactile switches in HE boards.

Only makes sense if you set AP to the click moment of the switch

[obtuse dove]

Exactly lmao

[trim atlas]

Maybe i’ll buy one to repurpose the case for a razer mouse if possible

[lofty willow]

Another thing is saying polling rate and specs don't matter much but then make such a big thing about a couple ms saved on a click

[obtuse dove]

If only the way they handled the click feel wasn't so flawed

If they just used haptic triggers like on the Logitech mouse they would have been just fine

I guess they were too lazy to do haptics I guess

😭

[lofty willow]

Yeah that is the actual harder part and needs developing. Magnetic switches are being provided by OEMs already for a while

[vague sparrow]

https://x.com/finalmouse/status/2058976631168122881?s=20

Finalmouse (@finalmouse)

Introducing the Starlight X.

Available to order May 30th

$179

💫

The SLX features our first new shape in 11 years. More stability. More control. A shape built for games like Counter Strike.

TMR-DS ™ . Our all new TMR Dual-State analog click system. With actuation control

X · May 25, 2026, 6:20 PM

[obtuse dove]

Magnetic sensing is arguably pretty easy, getting the haptics to feel good while also not guzzling power is likely the hard part

[obtuse dove]

180 dollars for an objectively flawed mouse smh

Just buy the g pro x2 superstrike with that money, similar idea but implemented way better.

[vague sparrow]

It is just interesting that some people were saying that no other companies would be able to produce analog click

Because logitech would have the patent

[obtuse dove]

Analog click is easy, implementing it is the hard part

[obtuse dove]

They likely have some patent surrounding the haptic triggers rather than the sensing part of it

[vague sparrow]

I will just wait for the razer mouse with the tech

[obtuse dove]

The sensing part is nothing new, the haptics is likely where they did some new things

[trim atlas]

The shape also looks alot like a viper v2 pro or is that just my imagination

[vague sparrow]

Ok

[obtuse dove]

It does give off viper vibes but idt it's exactly the same

[vague sparrow]

Let just wait for the review

[trim atlas]

The sides are different because v2 has more of a wasp waist but other than that it seems pretty close

[obtuse dove]

Yeah

[vague sparrow]

The interesting part it is way lighter than the logitech one

[obtuse dove]

Because they don't rely on haptics at all

Haptic motors are heavy

[trim atlas]

Even the gap inbetween mouse buttons on the front, iirc only razer does that

[obtuse dove]

It's also why I noticed that the superstrike is very slightly front heavy compared to the superlight 2

[patent patrol]

i dont think it would matter that much unless u like applying pressure before your click

but depends on the user ofc

[obtuse dove]

Which is very common among pro players

[obtuse dove]

It's called pre-tensioning

[patent patrol]

tac fps or?

[obtuse dove]

Mainly tac yeah

Very popular technique in CS2

[patent patrol]

although thats behavior that can change (but it wont )

[obtuse dove]

Also to me it does matter because you click the button but you don't feel it click at all

And for many users that can become an issue very quickly

[vague sparrow]

Would never use a mouse working like this

[patent patrol]

so like a wooting 😅

[obtuse dove]

See it probably wouldn't be an issue if the switch was linear, but no, it's tactile

[wispy blaze]

Not really surprising

[patent patrol]

no haptic motor

lol

[wispy blaze]

The gpx is awfully designed for being lightweight

[obtuse dove]

It's a safe shape

Maybe too safe

[wispy blaze]

Shape isnt even their issue w weight tbh

[obtuse dove]

It's the skeleton they use on the inside I know

[wispy blaze]

Shit weighs like a quarter of an entire gpx itself

[obtuse dove]

I get why they use it for the superstrike, but it makes little sense to use on the superlight

[vague sparrow]

Me I just want the logitech switch in a razer viper

[wispy blaze]

And it doesnt even help with rigidity much

Gpx still flexes like hell

[vague sparrow]

I owned a superlight I really didnt like it

[obtuse dove]

I like the shape so it was a keep for me

[vague sparrow]

Yeah for me it just doesnt work

[wispy blaze]

I liked the shape until I tried something different

Then I realized I kind of hate it

[vague sparrow]

😂

I have yet to find better than the viper when it comes to shape

I wanted to try the crazylight

[trim atlas]

Also this new superlight doesn’t have a magnesium top?

[obtuse dove]

The the X2 mini shape is nice if you use ftip

[obtuse dove]

No, it's all plastic, which is fine

[trim atlas]

I’d expect that was a good part of the price on finalmice from mars

[obtuse dove]

Or if you have smaller hands and use claw, although the X2H shape will probably be better for claw grip

Or the X2 medium shape if you have larger hands

[quasi field]

Jesus Christ Hifimen drop in price so much

I had the Organic when new and it was almost $2000

Don't ever buy Hifiman if you want good resale value

[white jackal]

new headphones coming soon

they just drop their prices every time they have a new release

[quasi field]

And they will be just the same as all the others

[white jackal]

at some point you'll be able to buy edition xs for less than 100 bucks

[obtuse dove]

hmmmmm

[white jackal]

no, they will have slightly redesigned exterior and cost more

[wispy blaze]

Im loving my beastx max, wouldnt mind it a tad wider though

[white jackal]

i am jealous of the edition xv headband design tho, i'll be honest

[round lagoon]

still too much for me.

maybe when it's $200 I consider

but large chance I might hate it lmao

[quasi field]

The treble is a gamble

I've never liked it

No amount of EQ made me satisfied

[tribal shadow]

don't buy hifiman for original msrp jfc

[quasi field]

No choice when they are new unless you want to wait a year or two or want to buy used which is hard depending on country

Though I don't buy Hifiman anymore

Not good enough

The search feature on squig.link sucks ass. They need to improve it

[white jackal]

how does that always happen

😭

[twilit flame]

Edition xs + capra strap = happy

[white jackal]

i should really pick up that capra strap

but i refuse to pay like 30 euro for some 3d printed thingy

[twilit flame]

I wonder returned that hesdphone if it weren’t for the strap

That headband hurts so badly

[quasi field]

The cheap Hifiman headbands are bad

🤮

The better ones look ugly

[frigid ivy]

Damn the new finalmouse is basically a GPX

[quasi field]

You look so damn foolish with Hifiman headphones on

[twilit flame]

I got jumpscared by the mannequins eyes

[frigid ivy]

how's finalmouse in terms of battery life?

[white jackal]

it doesnt really hurt for me tbh

[frigid ivy]

that was one of the reason I chose the GPX2

[twilit flame]

Did for me at the very top

[white jackal]

do u have a pointy head

conehead

[twilit flame]

Not really no

[white jackal]

or is it

mango shaped

[twilit flame]

Middle mayhaps

But not the top

[wispy blaze]

Worse than gpx (by how much idk)

But its also probably a lot lighter than gpx so pick your poison

[frigid ivy]

who has the best battery to weight ratio atm?

[wispy blaze]

Honestly I have 0 clue

Ik razer been kinda cooking when it comes to battery life, but idk how much dav4/vv4p weigh

[twilit flame]

Vv4p about 50g

[obtuse dove]

Shape orrrr?

[frigid ivy]

very close in dimensions and general shape

but obviously no 3D scans yet

[obtuse dove]

Yeah

[frigid ivy]

Battery: Jauch 250mah advanced chemistry lithium

How big is the GPX2 battery?

[wispy blaze]

290mah

[frigid ivy]

hmmmm

logitech sensor tech is already very efficient, dunno if finalmouse is better or worse

[obtuse dove]

Finalmouse will likely be better because they don't have to deal with haptic motors

[frigid ivy]

well I'm coming from the GPX2 not the superstrike

[obtuse dove]

Oh the superlight 2

It's probably slightly worse due to the constant analog sensing

And the extra hardware associated with that

[frigid ivy]

true

hmmm

[obtuse dove]

It probably won't be a dealbreaker tho

Although the finalmouse implementation of the analog and the tactile feedback is just, bad

The superstrike is better if you want the analog tech

[mental spade]

It's all copium, any high end mouse is going to be good click latency isn't even that important pros were playing on zowie mice for ages they were always ass for click latency talking like 14-15ms

And the mice we're talking about now it's well under sub 1ms differences

[tepid burrow]

https://x.com/finalmouse/status/2058976631168122881?s=46 @wet coral

Finalmouse (@finalmouse)

Introducing the Starlight X.

Available to order May 30th

$179

💫

The SLX features our first new shape in 11 years. More stability. More control. A shape built for games like Counter Strike.

TMR-DS ™ . Our all new TMR Dual-State analog click system. With actuation control

X · May 25, 2026, 6:20 PM

[white jackal]

why it look like a valorant skin (derogatory)

[languid ridge]

this is cooler

virtual sensor position

2 sensors can create a virtual one

[mental spade]

That's cool but why

[languid ridge]

Why you ask? Different grip angle won't affect cursor motion anymore

Like now if u put ur mouse in 45 degree angle cursor will move slightly diagonally

with virtual sensor physical angle wont matter and pointing will feel natural and end up where u expect it to

https://userinterfaces.aalto.fi/mouse_sensor_position/resources/OpitmalMouseSensorPosition.pdf

[mental spade]

[lunar holly]

[mental spade]

I'm sure this finalmouse release will hit all the specs they put out and won't have any QC issues while also being continuous release

[wheat epoch]

that's not what it does

[fringe yacht]

first QC issue lies with the design already, like who the heck wants holes in the top of the mouse so that it's nigh impossible to clean off of dust, salt and grease

[obtuse dove]

If only the analog implementation was not flawed

Makes zero sense to have a static tactile position with an analog sensing system in this specific context.

[mental spade]

Finalmouse makes zero sense to me in general

[obtuse dove]

Lmao

[versed fossil]

Superstrike but better already

isnt finalmouse kind of a meh company though

[mental spade]

Well this is what happened with the ulx weight

[obtuse dove]

It's a significantly worse superstrike

[versed fossil]

oh

ngl im too lazy to read

[obtuse dove]

It still has physical switches lmao

[versed fossil]

oh wtf is the difference then

[obtuse dove]

You can't change where that physical switch actuates.

[versed fossil]

yeah but like compared to regular switches

[obtuse dove]

But on superstrike it's a non-issue because it's haptic.

[obtuse dove]

Nono, like they use a legit physical switch

[versed fossil]

ohhh

[obtuse dove]

Huano blue shell pink dot

[versed fossil]

didnt one of their keyboards take like 3 years

to be out

[mental spade]

It's a dual state analogue switch bro you wouldn't get it unless you're a freethinker

[versed fossil]

Just typing words to sound cool

thats marketing i see too much

or well it could be a combination of my stupidity and that

[mental spade]

Well their marketing works even if they just make shit up

[versed fossil]

Wont work if i dont understand it, atleast for me. i guess not how that works for most people

It has cool thing that i dont understand gotta buy

[mental spade]

You'd think after so many failures people would start to click on

[versed fossil]

I was right about what i thought about that keyboard, that it took like 3 years 😭

[ivory tiger]

that was just a typo, they meant 2033

[frigid ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6LQ0L8o1Y

[wispy blaze]

Literally talked to a dude who is ordering one

😭

Went from beastx to superstrike to new finalmeme within the span of like 2 months

[frigid ivy]

still cheaper than some audiophile

[obtuse dove]

What in the

[wispy blaze]

Consumer maxxing

[mental spade]

I went through this stage with mice too, but I moved onto other consuming hobbies like keyboards and camera gear

[glossy anvil]

The cut outs in the final mouse look ugly

Plus its weird if you dont grip and use the mouse they expect you to

[gusty crescent]

Should i get beast x pro, beast x max or final mouse ulx comp? Or smth else similar

[quasi field]

Apparently there's a capra strap for the Astro A50. I don't really have problems with comfort on my Astro but if the strap is even better that would be nice

[quasi field]

Just ordered. Hope it's good

[obtuse dove]

Good luck even finding a ULX competition

Anyways

BeastX is fine

I would also like to point you to other good brands like Lamzu and Pulsar

They also make great mice

And admittedly Razer is also pretty good, specifically viper V4 pro and deathadder V4 pro since they have the web software now.

[wheat epoch]

Oh this thing still hasn't shipped btw

[obtuse dove]

Just don't install their desktop software, just use the web software they provide

[wheat epoch]

This is all ai generated right?

[obtuse dove]

Yeah the new Finalmeme mouse is a joke lmao

It's like, objectively worse compared to the Logitech superstrike

[wheat epoch]

Actually some of this is just objectively false information

[obtuse dove]

Finalmeme's marketing? Yeah it's been for years

Like the weights of their mice

Idk what magic scales they use to get their weight claims

[wheat epoch]

No but they're saying the 54l15 is less power efficient than the m20 which is just objectively not true

Also they took pure magnesium as the material for the density comparison

[obtuse dove]

They are 100% not using pure magnesium lmao

Has to be some sort of alloy

[wheat epoch]

Which is so soft you could easily bend it by hand and reacts with water lmao

[obtuse dove]

And also burns in a spectacular way

[wheat epoch]

Idk never tried burning a ulx but would like to see it

[obtuse dove]

Also yeah that is just not true, at least based on Nordic spec sheets

[obtuse dove]

M20 is like double the power consumption

[obtuse dove]

Lmao

[wheat epoch]

Holy shit the tech spec doc is worse

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2377/4861/files/Starlight_X_Technical_Overview.pdf?v=1779697910

[obtuse dove]

Oh I know

It's badddddd

[ivory tiger]

[obtuse dove]

Omg I just noticed something super funny about the superstrike

If you shake it hard enough you can get it to detect inputs, but like you do have to shake it in a specific way really hard.

But the best part

When you slam the mouse down onto the mousepad it detects no inputs

[wheat epoch]

You can also just squeeze the sides near the front to activate the click

[obtuse dove]

So it has some sort of slam click detection

[obtuse dove]

I tried that and it doesn't happen on my unit

Bro this is too funny

This isn't even on the most sensitive setting

No rapid trigger either

Iirc the actuation point I set to level 5

[ivory tiger]

The clicks in squeezing is unit related afaik, the one I've tried didn't do that, however I dislike the superstrike, do not like the clicks nor the shape

[wheat epoch]

I wonder if i can do that on my op1

[obtuse dove]

I like it, although the thing I discovered is likely a non issue, idt people are shaking their mouse that hard.

And it handles slam clicks just fine

Oddly enough

[wheat epoch]

Probably just added debounce on liftoff

[obtuse dove]

Maybe

[ivory tiger]

At least I would rather get a logislop mouse than a finalmeme
Finalmeme isn't even a funny meme at this point

[obtuse dove]

lol yeah

[ivory tiger]

#🔧│keyboard_modding message another funny from finalmeme btw

[quasi field]

They should start making in-ears. Cheap and easy market to get into where you can trick your mostly tryhard teenage fanbase into buying your products

[obtuse dove]

Yeah lmao

[obtuse dove]

Trueeeeee

[wheat epoch]

Why in a keyboard chat though

Finalmouse hasn't shipped a keyboard yet

[mental spade]

Keyboard modding covers a wide variety of topics

[wispy blaze]

It used to become a car channel quite regularly, now we made it so thats every channel

[glossy anvil]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/keyboards/comments/1tns5kt/why_no_wireless_options_its_2026_folks_it_works/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

Lol i cant

Reading this post just has people full of it

[astral musk]

This was posted on our Reddit as well iirc

[obtuse dove]

Vro

[hazy fiber]

Comments are even worse

"Nobody buys Wooting for performance"

[obtuse dove]

When the majority of top pro gamers use wooting keyboards

[hazy fiber]

My $50 aula outperformed 60HEv2 in this video!!

[mental spade]

Well at least most of the comments are sane

[gray shuttle]

That video is wild

That the dude refers to. Feels like paid advertisement to claim wooting does paid advertisement

Lol

[gaunt flax]

It’s interesting they only link the specific reviewer where we didn’t win and ignore the other 2 where we did win due to the random way reviewers test keyboards in China

Meanwhile the other brands are the ones who actively do paid reviews. We do paid advertising but not actual paid reviews

[gray shuttle]

It's wild imo

They really really need to be right on this

As for me as a consumer, I genuinely do not care if wooting is the best... I simply enjoy the community, the keyboard, the staff and the support (when/if I need it)

And none of the above is on offer with other brands

[gaunt flax]

It’s just kids on reddit from the hyper enthusiast he peripheral scene. No one else is reading and believing these Chinese reviews as benchmark of good keyboards

[gray shuttle]

I'm definitely #1 fangirl haha

[gaunt flax]

You can’t really convince them otherwise because their only measure of value is price and how it performs on a slightly sketchy Chinese reviewer test

[winged pewter]

Isnt there only 1 comment in there actually going on about the chinese tests?

[round lagoon]

I mean, I don't think majority of consumer cares about the community of the product, they just want the best for the money. The main problem being that they just look at performance number. At least in keyboard, we reached a point where it doesn't matter anymore since it'll only be fraction of milisec of difference.

You get better difference being able to hear foot step 50ms earlier or live closer to the game's server.

[proper vector]

Why yes, I am going to pick random Chinese keyboard that may or may not work that says it has 0.05mm actuation than a good quality one with warranty that has "only" 0.1mm actuation

[heady crystal]

Who cares about warranty when it’s cheaper and easier to burn through cheap Chinese keyboards?

I’ve had a conversation with a friend about this, and she’s in the camp of buying cheap clones of branded products. They generally last her long enough that by the time they need replacing, there’s a new product that’s been cloned.

[round lagoon]

Holy E-waster

[white jackal]

Final boss against boots theory holy

[heady crystal]

Personally, I do find it rather wasteful to replace instead of repair. However, being able to get the majority of the performance for a fraction of the price isn’t something I can realistically argue against for a lot of people.

[white jackal]

Boots theory is basically "if you buy shitty pairs of boots, you will wear through so many in the time it would take you to wear through a good pair, that you ended up paying more for the shitty ones overall"

[mental spade]

i feel that I've transitioned into good quality steel pans for this reason

[terse ferry]

I love arguing on that subreddit

[white jackal]

Yeah my plan once i move out is to switch to almost entirely stainless steel pans

[mental spade]

they do take a bit of learning to use right, but it's nice being able to use metal utensils without worrying about scratching any coatings

[quasi field]

What nonsense

It's a shame everyone can post to this subreddit

Everytime this guy posts it's something bad and wrong. He really needs to be banned

[quasi field]

So you're not actually someone that prefers «flat» bass then? 😁

[round lagoon]

More likely, I think I just want more midbass than an average person, since it's also parts of the 'mids'.

[solemn spade]

Instead of random Chinese keyboard U shld get a mad 60he, it's quite good and not that expensive

[white jackal]

that is random chinese keyboard

[versed fossil]

instead of random chinese keyboard get random chinese keyboard

[hazy fiber]

that might be the worst product you can buy

[abstract warren]

“Instead of shit, you should buy poop” ahh comment

[hazy fiber]

[frigid ivy]

Wooting software still clears any hardware advantage other brands may or may not have

[abstract warren]

Or better yet buy an ATK keyboard 🥀

[hazy fiber]

[winged pewter]

insert trash vs garbage meme

[frigid ivy]

https://x.com/i/status/2059167657841303729

LEIYIN AUDIO (@leiyinaudio2)

New from MOONDROP—「Armature Art 24」

♦Powered by XTM technology
♦A masterpiece featuring 24 balanced(Perside) armature drivers

Coming soon...

#MOONDROP #IEM

X · May 26, 2026, 7:00 AM

24 BA driver each

[quasi field]

https://tenor.com/view/lupusregina-beta-overlord-overlord-anime-will-kill-you-pistol-gif-25342174

[jade sundial]

can anyone recommend me goated mice (no real budget)

i have a superstrike rn and im disappointed

looking for something light with great skates

[quasi field]

Wow. A dedicated driver for the piano, guitar, violin, drums, flute, trumpet, saxophone, clarinet, harp, cello, trombone, tuba, oboe, bassoon, banjo, mandolin, ukulele, accordion, xylophone, tambourine, harmonica, bagpipes, sitar and synthesiser! Now this is instrument separation!

[hazy fiber]

pulsar crazylight series mice

[frigid ivy]

[quasi field]

They look nice and since it's Moondrop I expect them to be good. But they are really leaning into the million driver sillystuff here

[frigid ivy]

Feels like this thing would cost like 5 grand

[jade sundial]

👀 interesting, i like the look of it, reviews seem good

[hazy fiber]

I have x2 crazylight and it's great

[frigid ivy]

Is the Beast X and Maya X already old news

[hazy fiber]

no

[frigid ivy]

Haven't kept up with mice releases for over a year

[obtuse dove]

X2 crazylight is great

[obtuse dove]

Lowk pulsar is killing it with the collabs

[jade sundial]

i’m just so led down with the superstrike it’s so shit

[obtuse dove]

The zywoo mouse, the Tenz mouse, etc

[obtuse dove]

I like my superstrike

[hazy fiber]

There's also new viper v4, you can check that also

[obtuse dove]

Yeah the stock skates are uhmwpe

I swapped them out for ptfe and it's amazing now

[hazy fiber]

stock skates are icky uhmwpe, just replace them

[jade sundial]

this could save me money i might try that 🤔

[obtuse dove]

The control is good for tac FPS

Not so much for other types tho

[obtuse dove]

I use corepad

Very good ptfe skates

[hazy fiber]

Sure, but those stock skates feel like crap

There are control skates that feel nice

These don't

[obtuse dove]

They are deffo on the control side, I wouldn't say they feel bad, just very very heavy on control

Not as bad as the superlight 2 skates

Superlight 2 is exceptionally horrible

[hazy fiber]

I think razer stock skates are the best

[obtuse dove]

Yeah they're nice

Minus on glass

But glass you should be using like uhmwpe dots anyways

[hazy fiber]

hardened ptfe

[frigid ivy]

Lamzu inca seems pretty crazy, large size mouse at only 40 grams

[obtuse dove]

I found those to not be as durable as uhmwpe

[winged pewter]

40 grand?

[jade sundial]

this or tiger ice v2’s would u say

[frigid ivy]

Lol autocorrect

[hazy fiber]

ice v2s felt muddy after a month for me

just get something else

[jade sundial]

interesting

[obtuse dove]

Never tried ice V2 full sized skates

[frigid ivy]

No battery life spec though on the Inca

[hazy fiber]

get xraypad jades, they are good imo

[obtuse dove]

Jade ultra is really good

[jade sundial]

where do i buy these

[obtuse dove]

Amazon

[hazy fiber]

Haven't tried ultra but I like normal jades on cloth

[obtuse dove]

basically Jade ultra has additional material underneath the ptfe to prevent it from collapsing

Unlike other skates like the regular jade skates or corepad

[hazy fiber]

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, I will likely buy some to give them a try

[jade sundial]

thank you guys — now i’m like spoilt for choice lol

trying to pick a favourite here with no knowledge lmaoo

ig corepad vs jade’s

jade by the name alone sounds dope

[hazy fiber]

You can't go wrong with either of those, both will feel better than stock skates on that hien

or that's otsu?

[jade sundial]

it’s Ninja FX

[hazy fiber]

ninja fx is series

they have 2 series, one with stitched edges (ninja fx), one without (classic)

[jade sundial]

i have stitched edges

[frigid ivy]

Do you live in a high humidity area?

[jade sundial]

i’m in the UK rn and it’s super humid lol

[frigid ivy]

Yeah humidity make both the pad and skates feel slow and muddy

Maybe you need a dehumidifier in your room lol

[obtuse dove]

Superglides i see

[jade sundial]

wait are those not stock

i don’t even remember buying after market skates

[obtuse dove]

Yeah the superglides are from pulsar

[jade sundial]

ohhh

i thought i recognised their like font

[obtuse dove]

Lel

[quasi field]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/1to9rct/these_budget_openbacks_literally_measure_like_a/

Pretty good

[obtuse dove]

Oooo

[obtuse dove]

New budget king? https://youtu.be/aN3MotFDUmQ

ATK R1 S btw

According to him the only major issue with the mouse is the weight balance, its rear heavy.

[round lagoon]

aww it's deleted

[round lagoon]

hmm, pretty close

[tribal shadow]

I mean they are kinda ugly and give me a takstar vibe, but you can't really complain at 100 bucks

[plain schooner]

@wet coral

[wet coral]

[plain schooner]

If they do a Viper V4 Pro maybe

[wet coral]

depends which character

[wheat epoch]

"new"

[obtuse dove]

Idk how long the ATK vxe R1 S has been out for

[wheat epoch]

like 2 years

[obtuse dove]

I know there exists R1 pro and R1 SE

[wheat epoch]

not sure about this specific sku

like maybe they added the 20$ version later

[obtuse dove]

The S seems new

Because I don't recall there being an S model previously

[tribal shadow]

What changes does it make

[obtuse dove]

Cheaper MCU and cheaper sensor to get cost down but they aren't bad.

[wheat epoch]

there was an se model for a long time already and the s has replaced that probably because of component availability

the se was already $19

[tribal shadow]

Tbh, hard to find a bad sensor nowqdays

[obtuse dove]

I can find the S for a little cheaper than 19 on ali

Like 15 or so

But yeah 19 is what I usually see the S model go for

Idk what is different about it between the SE and S

[wheat epoch]

i'm just using official pricing here instead of ali because it's almost inpossible to find ali price history for some of these

[obtuse dove]

Fair

[wheat epoch]

but reality is the shell has always been the exact same

i remember when the budget banger used to be a $40 wires mouse lol

[obtuse dove]

Same shell different MCU, sensor, and switches

[round lagoon]

I realized there's the 12BA version of this and no way, it's tuned almost 1:1 to 7hz divine LMAO.

So to me, it'll just sound okay ish, maybe a bit better on the treble but not amazing... Terrible for $800 though.

[quasi field]

$800..

[round lagoon]

Divine is $160

[obtuse dove]

why 12ba tho

that sounds, dumb...

[round lagoon]

I don't know, look at moondrop marketing I guess

But driver doesn't matter, the tuning is what makes/break an iem.

[quasi field]

I wish I knew what this GT Tune earpad was

It's not on their website

[round lagoon]

maybe email gadgetry?

[quasi field]

I had the regular freeze and it sucked. Not comfort wise but it ruined the sound so hard that I had to do big boosts and I easily hit the maximum power

[quasi field]

I guess I'll ask him

I bought the capra strap. The WC Freeze pads I had before were overall more comfortable, but had bad sound compromises. These don't while being roughly as comfortable I assume

If I had those I could comfortmaxx the headphones

[proper vector]

Why tf everything has to be limited nowadays

[obtuse dove]

Consumerism

[quasi field]

Fear of missing out marketing strategy

It's funny if you think about it because everything is kind of limited edition anyway. The difference is just that things not marketed as such stay longer on the market

[wispy blaze]

Fomo

Its why finalmeme works so well

[quasi field]

@obtuse dove worst comment of 2026 award

[obtuse dove]

Bro lmaoooo

[obtuse dove]

Unfortunately

[twilit flame]

600 kekw

[glossy anvil]

Anyone see the new realforce keyboard

With hall effect apparently

Pretty cool

Nvm

Seems old

[crude talon]

I have a gx1
it has rapid trigger but I think it’s still electrocapacive

[tulip tide]

correct

i like my realforce r3s, the only complaint i have is the cable which is not replaceable

[elfin kayak]

wooting when

[heady zenith]

if i ever gain the ability to drift good

[terse ferry]

I can train u

[hazy fiber]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doubt-press-x-3

[terse ferry]

Definetly i'am not tryharding in assetto corsa rally with my keyboard

[warm rain]

I'am not tryharding in dark souls with my wheel

[abstract warren]

))

[plucky cedar]

Looking to buy ZiiGaat Arete II x Fresh Reviews next month... I already had Truthear Novas but decided to use these mobile now with FiiO UTWS5 2025 adapters. Does anyone have some experience with gaming and IEMs? Will I be fine using my Sound BlasterX AE-5 or Sennheiser GSX 1200 Pro for the Arete IIs? Or is there a DAC/AMP that would definitely be worth a look into?

[proper vector]

It's a DAC
As long as it's not R2R it will be okay

[round lagoon]

You should be fine with either

But if you want a simple dac, you can look at something like fiio ka11

[plucky cedar]

Isn't that a dongle dac?

[round lagoon]

Yes, it just takes one of your usb

You don't need much for IEM

[plucky cedar]

I was literally looking into buying a freaking DX1 II minimum... Jesus Christ...

Like it probably won't matter in fidelity or would it?

[round lagoon]

Only look at DX1 if it has feature that you want.

[round lagoon]

it wont matter, just the looks

Unless you're planning to buy headphone like hd600 or the hifiman, ka11 is more than enough (prop just enough for some headphone too)

[plucky cedar]

I do have HD6XX currently 😄

That is what I am using with the AE-5 card.

Have had them for years and probably going to keep them. I guess the GSX 1200 Pro will be the IEM DAC and the AE-5 will be with the 6XXes...

[round lagoon]

I mean, you can just keep using that lmao.

lit almost anything enough for an IEM

[plucky cedar]

How about the GSX 1200 Pro... Is that a decent idea to use with an IEM?

[quasi field]

It has PEQD which is very nice

[quasi field]

Don't buy that over the DX1 II

[plucky cedar]

I already have had that for years unfortunately just flying around.

[quasi field]

I recommend getting the Topping actually and using it with both the in-ears and 650. It has outputs for both in-ears (lower noise) and regular headphones

And then using the PEQ functure to EQ both. Trust me it will save your life to EQ your 650

[round lagoon]

Can confirm

[quasi field]

I also had it many many years ago lol

[plucky cedar]

LMAO

[quasi field]

It costs as much as two DX1 II

[round lagoon]

Im a simple man, I just get fiio qx13 cause I can bring it around and drain my phone's battery.

[plucky cedar]

Mobile I used to use a Jcally JM6.

[plucky cedar]

Maybe I can sell that on Ebay or something...

Get half or some amount of money and just buy the Topping DX1 II

[round lagoon]

That'll be the play

[round lagoon]

I use jm6 pro, it's also enough but it not having replacable usb c cable makes it unideal to use if it broke

[quasi field]

Okay I remembered wrong there's no dedicated in-ear output on the DX1 II. They're just two different ports. But it doesn't matter since it's still low-noise and low-output impedance and therefore will work nice with in-ears

There's no functional difference between dedicated in-ear outputs on amplifiers than the normal one besides typically having lower gain and output impedance, but in this case both outputs are far low enough output impedance anyway

My RME had this

[hoary kestrel]

Hey guys, was wondering if any of you knew of some decent budget pc fan brands i could check out?
ive got about 70 usd for it and i need 6 of em

[frigid ivy]

Arctic sells 5-packs of P12 pro fans