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But yeah I'd never buy that, because no amount of sound quality will make the form factor of the 1266 worth it 
That 3k reminds me of the MDR-Z1R
kek
I wanna see fr for my peltor muffs but I donāt think anyoneās measured them š too uncommon
just get a minidsp ears pro ezpz
I'm not $1500 worth of curious
I don't like when bass has this kind of shaping. Just EQ instead!!!
some peeps really like dat industrial look
I think that's a bit more than the cans
also i rarely see people talk about abyss headphones outside of Joshua V and DMS when he worked there 
feel like most other people would take a high end heefeeman over them
DMS will forever have a spot in his reputation after the LTT shilling video
Though it's funny knowing he apparently wasn't going to be there for the duration of the video but that Linus just made him be here anyway
That makes it more understandable that he's so obviously unprepared and contradictionary
hd480 pro on taobao is only $50 more than Crinear Reference
that makes the choice harder
Reference is more portable but there's no guarantee it will have the same comfort as the 480 (since 480 uses the same chasis as 490 but no grill).
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I wish I didn't always live on the opposite end of where these things happen
Waow, the regular bag from non pro plus looks soo dinky
I do like this though, my problem with the 490 bag is that it's too thick to accomodate the extra earpads, this one just have 1.
and only $50 extra
hmm, it's actually $100 less compared to the hd480 in my currency. At the same time, unlike iem, headphone is easier to repair and I want to bring the closed back/iem around.
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Hmm, DMS needs to work on his presentation, he's like over acting in his movement.
I do enjoy Apple products, I LOVE my AirPods but the maxes for 549 is actually criminal
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If you really want ANC stuff, I'd say its worth.
Unless you don't have an iphone
The pro 3s I use are 250 retail and honestly are already pretty good, I donāt get why youād pay double for dismissing returns on anc.
They arenāt all that better from what I tried
The gains are literally just virtue of being over ears
I can see that, both uses the same chip
Aye, plus they are quite heavy, the carrying case being really impractical
The max just seems like a complete afterthought
some people don't like in ears
Thatās fair, I just donāt think +300 usd fair 
Max 2 are meh. Needs a lighter version with better tuning
I was in the market a bit ago and just bought xm5s for 200
Not the best but the price alone makes it reasonable
I do like how many colors they come in, thatās a nice little thought from Apple
do the maxes have better battery life than pros
Yes
Aye itās basically a pro with bigger drivers and over the ear cups
Fr, I like the purple, if I have money it's a nice accessory that function to protect my ear from outside noises
I'm spoiled with swappable batteries
but over ears are probably easier to charge while wearing than in ears lol
Yuh, headphones are kinda accessories nowadays with how much you just leave em on
Itās nice having options
I wish the AirPods came in colors, the white looks very stupidly lmao
Oh they also come with lossless audio if you use them plugged in with app music using appleās flacc standard
"Buy your mom an Iphone." ahh
They arenāt utter garbage but I mean for 500 youād expect a few more qql features
lossless is not attractive to me but not a negative I suppose
Thatās one part I like about the Apple care model, 1.99 a month and they replace your pair if the battery dips to 80
Itās not good for the environment and world sure
It's usually firmly in the «doesn't really matter» territory
But itās nice piece of mind for 200 dollar headphones
My region is still 2-3 years Apple Care for a flat fees. At least for airpods pro, it's like $50 for 2 years.
Same here, I donāt think most people buying the Apple Max care either
can u see battery health on the 3rd gen pros, I can't find it for my 2nd gen
I got applecare+ for my phone and watch but not airpods
Thatās not all to bad; Iām just paying monthly with Apple TV and music. Itās bundled with my student subscription
Nah, itās just whenever you feel they arenāt lasting as long
mine probs don't but I can't use them at work anymore so it doesn't matter as much anymore
I used to wear them all day at my last job
so you can just state your problem and with apple care they (might) replace it?
Yuh thatās my understanding. My iPad battery dipped to 70 and they replaced it for 30 bucks
AirPods are free from my understanding
They do a quick test to make sure with the AirPods tho, cuz it wonāt display the battery health
Unironically my AirPods are hands down the best tech purchase Iāve made, they are just so convenient and comfortable
Plus the support is great
my phone and watch are still at 100% health but I've only had them since august
My phone is at 78% but I never bought apple care with it
Itās an iPhone 13 mini, absolutely love it
Iāll only upgrade if they release a phone in a similar form
blud's staying on the 13 mini for the rest of his life
He is right I also love small shape but apple dont want to make them anymore
My favorite phone was the original iphone se
Idc man, Iāll stay here or this might actually get me to android.
I dont care about these big smartphone
asus had a nice small phone at some point
I see I see, maybe airpods pro are an iem end game then... if it's eqable. Hopefully software EQ is enough.
I hate the bigger iPhones, i had an ipad already for work and chool
No point in a bigger screen
I only use my phone for well calling and sometime google map
I DO LIKE the iphone fold. Itās a nice compromise in size. If I only unfold it once or twice
I dont need these huge phone
Mine is a clash and music player lmao
I donāt even use it for maps. I put a CarPlay in my car
Yeah at least apple should propose a small model
I liked the iphone x size, and I think the bodys still not that far off in size now even if the screen is bigger with the thinner bezels
These big phone they are not even confortable in a pocket
The fold is a nice compromise tbh, itās not all to big and has an interesting passport format. Iāve heard theyāve kinda mitigated the crease problem as well
When will it be out?
is apple using the wide aspect ratio?
Idk? Later this or next year
I know itās pretty much confirmed to be coming
Thereās renders sent out to case and accessories manufacturers
It will be expensive I fear
all folds are at least a grand atm
Oh yea. Itās hitting the 1k price bracket
normies gonna have a bad time getting a fold
Iām waiting for it to be sold in carriers and Iāll upgrade
Klarna time
Iāve been using my mini since my dad bought it for me when I was in high school still, Iāll probably use the fold for just as long if I do end up getting it
Where is the good old time of nokia 3310
nah I didn't mean price, just the other peculiarities
screen durability is still a huge sus
I know that if I get a fold phone and it is usable folded, I will never unfold it. Only the dimension folded interest me
lol
smol ipad
Ew
Itās a mini basically
I like it
I like the passport layout
Itās basically a surface duo
Since it's mini, it basically have little to worry about app compat, just draw it like the mini if it doesn't have a fold specific look.
Aye I think that was the idea on apples side
The thing is that it cannot really replace an ipad once unfolded I guess
Tbh I wouldnāt be surprised if this is why the new mini was only a small, refresh
Not really a whole new product
I mean for a mini I donāt see why not
Ipad mini?
Aye, the iPad mini could be easily replaced with this. EXCEPT COST I guess would be a big issue
I take it back
The iPad mini is too affordable to be replaced with a 1k+ phone
Yeah having a device that can be used both as a phone and and ipad is nice actually
Well but then you have a phone + an ipad mini in a single device
Unironically give me a short Apple Pencil that clips on magnetically and Iād ditch my air and mini
Iād pay the extra as well
The thing is that I dont feel at ease with a 1k phone
Too afraid to lose it
Or break it
Ot get it stolen
I prefer having an ipad at home
I mean the same could be said with an iPhone pro or an iPad Pro on college campuses
And a cheap phone
Yeah that is why I only get SE models
Most pf the iPad airs are students Iām assuming who take em out and about like me
It could be said for any apple devices in third world country.
I donāt think Iāve ever gotten an iPhone stolen
Iād get one and just buy apple care too
It would same money getting care for one device instead of two
take better care of your things
but yeah definitely not a good idea with a fold if thats the case
They arenāt as fancy as they once used to be, itās just another phone nowadays
I'm planning to get the next iphone pro if same price, the only thing I'm worried is just bringing it around. While expensive IEM can easily be mistaken for cheap, can't say the same for iphone and such.
There are Samsungs that are far nicer and more expensive hardware wise
I even drop an iphone in the toilet because I was watching world cup š
Guess what I turned it off for 48 hours and it worked again
Lmao I did that and found out Apple has a shortcut app someone wrote that vibrates the hell out of the phone and speakers
Shakes most of the after out just via vibrating
Gonna be interesting to see how cellphones change after 2027 with the battery law.
Especially iphones.
Oh nice š
I only feel that way with my MacBook, thankfully you canāt really tell itās a pro with the skins I have on it
Thatās the only one I donāt have apple care on so im more careful
same
Because you're afraid people will steal it?
like the
Aye that
"Ejecting Water."
pretty much

But for phones via the shortcuts app
Tbh maybe Iām spoiled by my area but people donāt really steal phones as much anymore. Its all to essy to just remotely brick or track the phone
People def still steal phones
I am thinking of getting another table for my 'computer' room
But that also means I could use that space for a speaker setup
Ok apparently steam machine and controller might come out soon
Crinear Reference at home
Since I don't have the Reference, I just use hd490 and try to match that. Treble might need to be more forward, but mids is pretty close. Bass is good enough but I feel like it's still lacking body compared to the 490.
I think I know why, I cut too much of the bass
Actually, maybe the divine by itself is already pretty nice for an IEM, I just remove the hiss and increase the mids. Then add in treble to counteract the -2db preamp.
It by itself should reduce the bass' level to an acceptable amount
And I understand absolutely nothing
I don't even think I could hear much of a difference
It's fine, but it's important to me as a composer/mixer.
@winged pewter you were right, the new xbox console is coming out with 48 gb of ram
im gonna get that instead
actually
should i get the new xbox project helix when it releases or build my pc?
What does this even mean?
donāt mind the you were right part
thereās a new xbox coming out
itās called xbox project helix (itās still a code name)
itās like 1200 dollar
so 1k euro
and itās an absolute beast of a console
itās a xbox that also can play pc games
itās just a console pc hybrid
and itās really portable
so... a PC then
yea but it can also play xbox games
js a mini pc basically with a controller
and rlly strong
So basicly steam machine
"Playing Xbox games" is just a switch somewhere that Microsoft keeps hidden, so that means nothing really
All Xbox games since few years are being released on PC too 
Idk man will have to see the specs for that price
Do u know the specs or just assuming?
only thing i know is it will have 48 gb ram
or 32
true i guess
everyone for more info just search up xbox project helix
Nah, thanks, I'm not touching anything that Microslop does 
microslop peaked with the 360
Micro sloppy sloppy
@bitter sapphire xbox peaked at first xbox
The only console i had was a sole Playstation 2
So it could be the most dogshit setup known to mankind
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no it has a processor which is a little less good than the ryzen 7 9800x3d which is crazy
or atleast thats what im reason
reading
Im reading none of the sort xd
More similar to a z1 extreme
yea it will
Could be interesting for playing on the couch then
oh dang
So not an Xbox but a Windows box 
i donāt know if i should buy it or not
actually nah iāll just get a better phone instead, i donāt need to game everywhere i go
iāll just buy a pc
Well it depends on how powerful this will be
If it is more powerful than what you can build for 1200 then people will buy it
Yeah
Now I wonder how they will manage to get something more powerful than what you can build for the same price
Definitely wont be
Will never work then people are not going to buy 1200 euros a console when they can build a pc
You underestimate console gamers
Well I understand getting a 500 euros console, not a 1200 one
At this price better build a pc
You don't have to understand you're not the demographic
Well what is the rationale for getting basically a pc labelled as an xbox for 1200 I dont know
Or we will be surprised and this will be very powerful
you can always by used parts, and there are facebook moms who sell a 5070 for 300 euro
Not everyone is computer savvy and that's who they market this too
most people are way too lazy and are not smart enough to build a pc
Facebook mom sell 5070 for 300?
if you quick enought to buy one yes
yea there are REALLY good deals on facebook marketplace
i saw a 5070 ti ryzen 7 9800x3d pc getting sold for like 1200 euro
maybe you wonāt see good deals tho because you really need to be fast with one
Who might sell that almost sound like a scam
i mean you can find good deals
Yeah I will check
I mean there was someone in this chat who was not smart enough to follow a video guide and asked the entire server to make a list for him instead
Ok but honestly you can also watch youtube video there are tutorials for building pc (I used them) or even ask chatgpt for a list
Being too lazy is not an excuse these days
But what do I know to people mind
Except for people with real medical condition preventing them for building (not enough muscleā¦) I dont know what to say
For me building is not a pleasure at all tbh I dont like that but wtf you only have to do that once every few years
@proper vector
Ow
Maybe painful, but at least it's not too much
nah its just facebook moms who are mad at their children and selling their pc
Holy shit $99?
Definitely not targeting me lol
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guys i wanna buy airpods but they r way too expensive for me can someone help me with budget alternatives
under 50 euro
I will buy two at almost any price
Surge pricing just for you 
Moondrop SpaceTravel 2
Weebpods
I love em
I'm extremely picky with my audio and was surprised how decent they are
There's white
I got it because I was laughing my ass off at the voices
Plus AliExpress so they cost me $15 XD
actually iāll just use my steelseries arctis nova 3p
Got a 3d printer?
Some no name tech reviewer with 8k subs? Seems kinda sus 
But I kinda expected to be it about this price
why it so ugly
although its made by the people that make steam so
guys should i buy the PG248QP or ZOWIE 2566X+ and why
Lmao, it's world's flattest interms of how much it match the JM-1 on measurement system
I wonder how will the crin hater respond
The moondrop space travel 2 are ok for bluetooth?
Can you imagine getting bad grade in school and your mom sell your 5070 for 300 euros šµāš«
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The way he describe the Reference's treble reminded me of hd490
Forward leaning on the early part, which makes thing like cymbal closer.
CrinEar is marketing their new Reference as "the world's flattest IEM." But how flat is it? And is flat even a good thing? I've been listening to Reference for a few weeks now, comparing it with Crin's other IEMs, the Prisma Lumen, and a forgotten reference.
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I wonder what sharur would think about these

Very flat, but has crunchy vocal, still good. "Bass is better than 95% of the iem, but not as engaging".
I think from his words, the IEM is pretty revealing.
give it 1-2 days, he'll sure to write a hit piece saying how bad it is
What HRTF model did they use when creating these? Or did they use an ear simulator or a head and torso rig?
iirc, they use b&k 5128
Please don't tell me they treated that as ground truth because it's really not. 
I dunno, it has been a while since I check. What I do know is that they're aiming for it to hit jm-1 with a bit of bass as much as possible
I'm still skeptical about JM1 because there is very little actual data behind how it reached that target curve and the testing methodology by which it was determined
Vs something like Harman
even then Harman research is questionable as well
vibes (jk)
Because of the lack of repeatability
But eh, A lot of parts of Psychology is fake science anyways.

For the exact same reasons
I can't demo the reference without flying to singapore (for now), but if jm-1 isn't really for me, at least hd480 pro exist as a closed back option
Waow, 7hz Divine is soo sensitive, I can touch a charging macbook and have it moves
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iām too european for it
Saying not as engaging just makes it sound not as neutral to him, as true neutral is very engaging
I see
Looking at this makes me think I definitely wouldn't prefer it over the tuning of the Variations
I can see that, personally I prop might not like it based on how they described it too. Plus other issue IEM might have (not easy to repair, can easily lost, unknown longevity).
The conclusion for me might be, I better off with hd480 pro despite it being $100 extra if I want something on the go and closed back.
It's possible I would really like JM-1 by just giving it more of a bass shelf but idk. I don't have any in-ears anymore so I can't try
7hz divine is the closest iem I have to the jm1 tuning (treble wise at least), I found it to be just okay with nothing much remarkable which is nice for tracking. But then when I try to eq it to jm1, it sounds okay and close, but not close enough to the point I might doubt it.
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Do you adjust it further? If it doesn't sound remarkable it's not neutral imo
My speakers which are verifiably neutral blew me away and I bet every single «neutral is boring» person would love them
that's the default tuning with tangzu noble eartip. Default eartip makes it sound metalic.
waow
yeah a neutral set of studio monitors is a very unique experience for sure
bass rolloff on studio monitors is more extreme however, most good ones can only go down to about 50-60Hz before dropping off a cliff.
so sub-bass isnt as pronounced on studio monitors, but still pretty good
and its fixable by introducing a sub.
That's the disadvantage with my setup. No subwoofer yet so bass dies below 50 Hz
yeah
And that is definitely noticeable with lots of music
cant properly enjoy doin it right
that track has some pretty mean very low frequency bass
Yeah many tracks
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Just checking, is the Linsoul Kiwi cable compatible with my Bleqk Lowmasters by Oriveti?
i think they should be because of the 2 pins they use
some have weird housing that gets in the way
good to know, just wanted to make sure because im really upset that most phones don't have a dedicated 3.5 jack anymore
as long as the 2 pin female is not recessed into the IEM it should be find
not recessed
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yeah my parents are handing me down some of their old phones
I'll be using one of them, an LG Velvet for music and media after I repair the screen, and the other, Pixel 8 Pro as main after flashing GrapheneOS
Are there any sub 50g~ mice with the Razer deathadder essential shape
idk about shape but i just got my l7 ultra and its nice and light
very very nice build too
Maybe the pulsar xlite CL medium
yeah a weightmodded razer
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no but genuinely, the perfect mouse doesnt exist you will need to do some things yourself for that last bit of perfection
G502 exists
i mained it for a long time then i discovered better mice
ooh! looks like they kept the same shape and even the skate layout but used pulsar manufacturing and supply chain it seems?
and well, made it lighter
Hmm, DCA Noire X, closed back
I like how it graped, but it's $1200
Oh yeah, one reviewer (Vulture Culture) rate the 480 pro to be pretty nice with EQ, able to go against the DCA Noire
I guess it'll take a week or two before any audiophile oriented review start talking about this. For now it's just mixing engineer and related people (make sense) that talks about it.
5128 DF
Real target please
There aint a lot here
The earphones archive squig viewer is so messy
at least it's 5128
but yeah, hoping for gadgetry tech to redo his squig with 5128
I dunno if he still has the meze empy and other headphone, but having another top end freakish ear on a stand is nice
Hmm, I might add 7506 to my 'to buy' list
it's quite cheap, and the tuning ain't that different either.
The CrinEar reference makes a lot of promises, largely based on pseudoscience, which I dissect and analyze in this video.
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Tldr?
I'm still watching
Same lmao
I'll wait for your thoughts about it
Hmm, I do agree with a lot of his points ngl, he kind of criticizes the measurement methodology and the JM-1 DF curve which is what the reference is based on.
The measurement methodology isn't that great, because they kind of treat the measurement rig as ground truth.
And there isn't solid enough data to show that JM-1 DF is even a good target curve
Agree. It's not a target all the reviewers should have jumped on and treated as the best one when there's not good evidence of it in listening
yeah, deffo needs more AB testing against other curves to really prove itself.
in a more controlled environment at least than what PEQdB is doing
because even to me JM1 doesnt sound as good as harman or even peqdb diamond beta
which is why I am skeptical
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So there really is no scientific basis that these target curves sound good at all. And on the contrary, there is clear scientific evidence that these target curves are not preferred by listeners. And if you are to argue that, oh, it's meant to sound reference and flat, not the most preferred. Well, in a blind listening test, it has been found that anechoically flat speakers, which are quote unquote reference, sound the best. So, it should follow that whatever sounds the best for headphones is also perceptually neutral
That's what I keep saying!
Neutral (which is basically synonymous with high fidelity and good), sounds good. If it sounds boring, then it's not neutral
I see. Noice
this this this this
also because artists mix and master using studio monitors that are verly likely calibrated flat when they work in a professional music studio, so it sounds closer to what the artists intended.
Looks like I'll be skipping reference and get hd480 pro. The 480 tuning based on sound guys already pretty close to the 490. (Note, this is meant for not at home usage, so a closed back / iem style is needed).
I can see the reason, when you like a certain sound in a music and you want to recreate it. What's a better way to do that other than with the same speaker/setup where you find the sound is nice?
@bitter sapphire, you having issues with the neo proximity sensor too? it thinks I am gone while playing games 
not like it bothers me to just turn it off but I am curious if it's just me
it happens with me as well
I see, well I don't care as I said, was just wondering if I do something wrong
It's pretty funny tbh
set your distance selection to 120 cm
or 90cm both works fine
Other than that, the Monitor is really amazing 
Ohh I will try that tomorrow
or just time to time wave your hand at the asus logo 
but yeah thats quiet funny time to time
I think most people turned it off
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any arm sleeves recommendations 
My pulsar sleeve is bout to turn into ruins after a year of use
My wallhack sleeve too big for me despite it being small/medium š
i got skinny arms 
Hoodie
I need one too tbh
Kibu sleeve
wonder if it is worth it
like I am curious if you can aim with the trackpad in fps
Judging by what I've seen people do with the original controller, and deck the answer seems to be yes
If game supports simultaneous mouse & controller input it's golden, else you have to deal with janky mouse-like stick action
Won't that be horrible?
well that is what I wonder
99 for a controller is expensive compared to a xbox one
so it needs to bring something more
I dont see myself using these trackpad so what are they good for
yeah but will you use touchpads if you have a computer with a mouse
Yeah, I use touchpad on DualSense quite often, especially when I'm streaming to my TV, but when I sit at PC too 
I could see it being useful for people playing on TV yes
it is a shame that the steam box is delayed
during the evening it seems nice to be able to play on a couch
relaxed
I have an issue with video games wtf šµāš«
there's been tools for that for ages, namely PC + HDMI cable and a wireless controller 
issue is my computer is far from my TV and I dont feel using a cable accross the whole house
but anyway at least I dont game at night maybe it is better
There's already Ethernet going to my TV, why would I put another cable? 
I am in wifi
since ethernet won't really help with transmitting gameplay without any lag? š
But there isn't really any lag to be honest 
but honestly even with a steam box I am sure I would be disappointed
In a perfect world I wish I had a second gaming pc connected to the TV
or just connect your actual one to it, seriously, youngsters these days, having to lift a single finger for something nice is too much already, better have a second thing so one can be useless in the corner while using the other 
I told you the computer is in a room far from the TV if I use a cable accross the whole house my wife will kill me
If I was living alone I wouldnt care
pfft, drilling a few holes and laying it in the wall socket and nobody would even know it's there
Staple it along the sideskirts.
i mean it's maybe 2 hours of work that save you hundreds in the end
You genuinely can't beat an ethernet cable for stability and speed. And if you put in a bit of work, it can be basically invisible.
now I never done such things tbh
Ok look so I need a long hdmi cable and that is all?
eh, i'd rather go with an HDMI cable and a 3.1/3.2 usb cable for a hub
How... long do you expect those cables to be?
I just yeeted mine behind the bed, sticked a switch on back of TV, easy 
Cause long distance any of that is... oh boy.
I tell you right now the computer is in a room connected by wifi. If I want to play to the TV (with the computer) what cable do I need hdmi right?
I would say 15 or 20 meters I need to take some measurements
at least i'd go with an HDMI and an USB cable, but that's just me
yeah it makes sense
I will go to a store for all these building stuff and ask for advices on how to manage the cable accross the walls
second pc better
15-20m HDMI cable - And USB? Good luck with that.
You're going to need some kind of converter/repeater for that. Gonna be pricy.
Or... Ethernet 
so you think a second computer is better?
wait ethernet work for video?
Sunshine on host, Moonlight on TV, easy 
just checked amazon and for something like 20m for both i'd be below 80ā¬, could probably find something cheaper if i'd look around a lil more and as for managing the cables, easiest would be if you got sideskirts like these:
Looks like someone made a port for Tizen https://github.com/brightcraft/moonlight-tizen
But Android and Apple TV have apps in their app stores 
why would you need a converter/repeater for that? just use decent quality and it shouldn't be much of an issue 
yea, just check out your options and as usual, measure twice, cut once to save yourself frustration down the line^^
oh given how of a beginner I am in all these things I will triple check
that would set you above most beginners already, since beginners and intermediates quite often go and sloppily measure then cut and wonder why nothing fits and have then to fiddle around to make do with what they got left š
Well the thing is that I never done these kind of things so better to really think about it before
Over that long distances? You use converters for that.
When is it long distance?
I mean there are rules in meter?
2-5m
hmm, not sure what issues it would cause, going by how i basically had a 50m setup of both in my old house without any converter or anything and it still worked well enough for playing games and stuffs in the shed š¤Ø
You had a USB cable that ran 50m between two devices, and you still had a stable signal?
Try that with any modern device, like a gaming keyboard and watch the fun unfold.
yea, had a mouse, keyboard and 2 controllers on a hub plus the hdmi for the tv
Signal loss becomes an increasing issue with every inch past a certain length. Demanding better cables with tighter tolerances and so on.
You CAN buy cables of that length, but they get pricy and thick. And you might as well just convert it back and forth.
HDMI over 20m must be optical then, otherwise it will lose signal integrity 
Thanks Bee
For 200 i dont think theres much you can want from them haha
My 1440p ips lcd 165hz monitors were 250-300 iirc
gotta wait for it to get back in stock now lol š¤
Damn, that's unlucky :( still 100% worth the wait :)
Ah yes a GPU price on a chair
Even if they are a quality chair company it doesnāt worth that much
If you work 8hours a day for 6 days a week and you can afford it, sure whatever
But a good chair doesn't need to be that expensive
like 99% sure theres a huge markup just bc of the name lol
ill wait!!
Awwww Hes cute
instantly knew he's a he?? damn what a pro
The shape of his head being rounder and shorter, with bigger paws relative to the legs/body - definitely looks like a boy 
No lol, thats shallow waters as far as spending on a hobby goes and HM gives you 12 years warranty on that chair btw. Full promise you are gonna have the best of the best for 12 years and its gonna work. Used you can also get older models from 300-500 easily. Its so worth it
12 years warranty and of course, they know it sells so no reason to make them cheaper. Used market is harder to get cheap too since covid but its still just the best option
What does 'gpu' price mean?
I spent like 420⬠on my 60HE v2 split with all accessories etc, thats more than a lot of people spend on their gpu actually.
Look, investing in comfort is very valid. But you don't need to spend 1k on a chair. That is just facts. The Chair I use costs 160ā¬, is insanely comfortable and very sturdy. Warranty is 4 years afaik. Not everyone got 1000⬠to spend on a chair.
Its not about comfort, most people that dont have good posture actually complain about Aerons because it forces you to sit better. Its about health.
Again, i spent 1.2k because i wanted every feature and black instead of grey, you can easily get used millers for 300-500. Most people will go through a number of chairs in their life. Health is and will always be an investment
Why?
And that's what I'm saying. It's valid, but not everyone can just do it. Getting a good chair that does the same is a good start. Later down the road you can still spend 1,2k for a chair. As a teen or a young worker you just don't have the cash.
You can always check used things out in person, gpus etc
Used market is great in a lot of areas and its very worth it, you can also transfer warranties for so many products
Its me but i dont need a 1200⬠chair to fix my posture
Me neither, i never had bad posture to begin with, but its an amazing chair and i have went through other chairs before that just start wearing out a lot. This shit just lasts and i have insurance that it will for 12 years
Thats kinda the point
But obviously i understand, thats why i mention used
My 100⬠chair from ikea
I still stand by my point and many people that constantly review chairs have recommended the ProtoArc EC200. For a young person that is realistic. I'm 20 and just bought that chair. I would have the money, but justifying a purchase like that is hard.
I mean i always reseated myself in my chair to fix my posture
Idk its me maybe but my parents teached me how to sit in a chair
the only thing I can say is that do not neglect a good chair or a good mattress there are investments for your health. Now I dont say to buy a 1200 euros chair
ye boy and still young, crazy what yall can see!!
I am suffering a lot from my back if I could go back in time I would take care of it a lot more
really? i spent like 240 for mine (60he v2 split)
ig travel case and cable is some but 420?
I mean i always sit in a way that is the best
Lube set, travel case, lubing accessories, coiled cable, wrist rest
A good chair will still give you a better time than a chair that actively fights good posture
One of those things you dont understand until you try i guess, and at 500 or less used its a great deal, anyway. There are millers from before 2000s still alive and well today, doing their job
Yeah but i would not spend more than 200⬠for a chair
Im happy if i can sit 6 hours in my chair
Until you went through the third 200⬠chair in your life and suddenly realise "i couldve sat better with the same money and it would still work now" its a time thing
i mean baby kittens that will grow big usually have huge paws compared to the head size, same goes for dogs as well btw
I do not care LMAO
Thats like saying you only need a doctor if youre sick
If you are very active and built or do nothing at all, it will always benefit you
Well me as I said a good chair is more important to me than a good computer
Thats what being an adult means
i remember reading that the difference between a herman miller and a good 200$ chair is only like 10-15% in performance for a huge amount of more money
Well best case you can do both haha
Believe me I regret so much not taking care of my back earlier
Law of diminishing return
Out of 24 hours i stay on my feet atleast in 10
Yes that is true, as is with most things when you start going up the price ladder. Its just that sometimes those 15% that you will never reach otherwise or just worth it
yeah they are better but for me right now that 15% isn't that worth it
that's always the case, people usually only ever start caring once they fucked up their bodies (was the same with my back and knees that i've ruined with lifting stuff the wrong in my old job)
I sleep like 6-7 hours
I stay on my feet for 10 hours
And the remaining is sitting at my desk
maybe later when i got racks lol
Your health is your most precious thing not your computer or anything else
The nice thing is that no one hurries you and this is one of those things that will move with every pc you have and outlast all of them
Yeah just adopt a good posture and be careful when carrying heavy stuff
Its like my external radiator, it might be steep up front cost but it will outlast every other component in my pc except maybe my psu and other custom loop components (psu is another thing people save on but here too, seasonic gives you 12 years of absolute safety and some of the very best power delivery possible, as an example)
I did the same ruined my back in an old job, also years of bad posture didnt help.
I mean car cooling rubber components are pretty heavy
or Audio, too. It will last way longer than any pc component can stay relevant if you take care of it
People working carrying heavy stuff is something driving me insane specially when they are not paid enough
They ruin their bodies and noone care
yea in my case it started with ruining my back by lifting wrong, then lifting stuff "right" only to ruin my knees as well and a bad posture naturally followed which led to ruining my neck on top of it all š®āšØ
I would rather hurt my body with physical pain than with mental paib
Wtf
I mean my job does both but 
Your health > everything
Sadly doing nothing doesnāt pays the bills
once your body is ruined disability pension will pay the bills if you manage to make do with what you get, at least in the case of germany, not sure how it is elsewhere
I mean the heaviest thing that i carried was 15kg
lol
multiply that by 5-10 and you'd have my average weight of stuff i hauled around pretty much all day
My 20 year old cheapo office chair is still kicking 
Disability pension will not fix your happiness in life and everything you cannot do
I just said something idk whats the heaviest thing that i carried
Thats nice!
What
honestly, for as long as i don't have to lift too much i'm mighty fine and overall am quite happy with how my life has been going since, like i got enough spending cash for my hobbies, i got pretty much all the time in the world so what more could i wish for (besides actually finding a girl that has similar hobbies and wont turn into a total bitch after 5-6 years) š
but yea, that last part is rather low in priority so yea, nothing i can really complain about atm
Idk rubber things are different in weight
oh ok then it is fine
myself I still suffer a lot from all of that
going back in time I would really take care of my body better
i mean sure, i sometimes only get 3-4 hours of sleep when rolling into a bad position with some sheet wrinkle around my neck which is a lil nasty, but nothing i didn't get more or less used to by now
I did go back. I sold mine after just a little over a month because I was disappointed by it 
How come?
it is not for everybody (the aeron specifically) but you still have the Embody, for example
It was too hard. I prefer softer and less limiting chairs
Aeron?
Yes the remastered one
But when you say less limiting i assume its aeron.
Yeah thats kind of the point, you cant enact bad sitting habits on it, but i dont know what you mean by soft because everything you touch when sitting correctly is butter smooth
No crosslegged sitting etc
Aeron had a very stiff and hard seat that I didn't like
The mesh is stiff?š
Yes
A HƄg tribute something
9031
The armrest sucks because the movement is so limited but otherwise I like it more
I think it's cool that the brand is domestic though
hƄgs are nice. i almost bought that chair a few years ago. had a capisco recently but sold it again
@round lagoon
maybe something to consider
getting a salli swingfit delivered this week
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Herman miller is 100% worth
rebost
How do you use this?
by sitting on it
basically like youre constantly riding a horse while also half standing on the groun d
Don't you recycle me Tony, I looked at the chat history of the channel it should have been posted in >_<
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It doesnt feel stiff for me either, feels kinda perfect and ive had it for a few months now
yeah well shoulda woulda coulda
We be talking about it on #š®āgame 
I would hunch over on this 24/7
man spreading chair
so you can man spread while man splaining how the chair is good
Easy butthole access too
if you hunch its probably not tall enough. imo theyre surprisingly comfortable
not for gaming literally all day though probably
ill use it as part of a rotation, how much idk yet
I'll think about it $150 aint that bad
about $200 in my area, but the senny that I'm eyeing is not available in my place yet and it might cost $620 like my 490 pro plus
Just need to eq this + hrtf (removing weird peaks), then it should sound nice to my ears
HM has no equal
Have you tried the embody?
No
My thick, juicy ass loves sitting on the Aeron.
If I had to get one I would hesitate between aeron and embody
I think embody is a little too relaxed for me
I'd try the Embody since it's apparently more comfy
Well I have a leap v2 I dont like it so much
I'm after getting one of the Herman Miller standing desks next.
Because it's the same very generous warranty terms as the chairs.
Plus they usually go on sale for very good prices.
I would but they are too small for what i want
Yeah if you sit incorrectly, its more forgiving and relaxed
I like moving around my chair and that was basically impossible with my Aeron
They have a 1600x800 which is what I'm using currently.
Nice corsair mic arm
I kind of want the Libernovo Omni. It looks good
Corsair is not entering my house ever again lmao
Its not corsair, do they even make mic arms?
I looked at it plenty, it genuinely looks sus to me
I need 200x80
Be careful people complain the seat is not deep enough
Yeah but there's a larger one coming
Yeah true
I hate how 50% of chair recommendations online are Steelcase which is a brand not sold here
It's amazing how office chairs kind of suck
The thing is that it seems really individual dependant
Every single one of them, Aeron, Embody, Leap, Gesture etc. Has a 50% negative reception online
One chair might work for a person but not for somebody else
They're too hard, or creaky etc.
Too expensive* 
All I can say is that the leap 2 is not comfortable enough for me. But I have so many back issue I am not sure a chair can really help
And it's not like I can just go somewhere and try them out before purchasing them, even though this is also a thing people online say all the time as if everybody is American or German or something living in a big city next to a major seller of these things
Yeah I have the same complain
I would kinda wanna try this out https://diablochairs.com/en/3540-ergonomic-chair-diablo-v-basic-black-grey
You in EU? You can send anything back for 14 days or find a shop with even better onditions
Seem nice apart from the depth of the seat
49 is too small for me and I dont like having the seat pan separated from the back
Now I like the mesh I know some people hate it but I prefer mesh
Mesh is great
When I got my last chair the idiot delivery driver dumped the box out on the snow in front of me and the box disintegrated because it was wet. And without the box they did not accept a return. But also even if this hadn't happened it would have been hard to send it back. I don't have a car
I dont have an aeron cuz its comfy(it is) but for my spine
I would like to see where you see 50% negative reception for the aeron?
The goated chair. It never feels like I'm actually sitting on something, nor sweat or feel cold. I'd buy it 1000 times for a 1000 lifetimes ong 
Which model?
From my years of looking every chair I see has fairly high negative response. The number was made up
aeron is divisive because it only works well within a pretty narrow band kinda. its like a glass cannon item
need the right height, right desk height, you need to be the right height, and you cant cross your legs or slouch much at all etc
When I had mine it was cutting circulation to my legs lol. Had to buy a foot rest
Even when i was actively searching for drawbacks on the aeron it was mostly the price or fit, but Iād say it was like 10-20% of all reviews I had seen, and looking for reviews now i can barely see it dip under 4.6 for any website with reviewsā¦
aeron classic
thats really bad
I have one, itās lovely
Absolutely
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not sure how logitechs keyboard software is nowadays but this one should sell
Man, turns out my ScarlettSolo Dac/amp output is just fine for me
Now I have a useless portable dac/amp since I have a dap
I asked why you didn't just use it instead of buying something new and you never answered!!
I'm dumb soria :C
I must've missed that
Keyboard disconnects during gameplay and goes on a spice-infused adventure? Hmmm
This keyboard is not even fully magnetic
yep
Yeah, today my adapter cable came in so I could use it. (Solo uses 6.35 and I only had 3.5 or 4.4 cables)
L ogitech
And it costs the same as wooting
this looks like shit goddamn
It screams GAMERRRR 
š also it being TMR/mechanical gives me the sneaking suspicion that it is ODM
Capital G Gamer about to drop some racism in the chat kinda vibe from this keyboard
Ooh knobs
why tf does it have a compartment for your magnetic switches in the top?????
bro there is NO way that logitech designed that inhouse
it reeks of a small chinese company
So you can hotswap wherever whenever
It's that so you can change switches easily based on the gameplay 
You know, for example I prefer 60g for T side, but 45g for CT side in CS2 
oh yea totally
I always just randomly decide "you know what, I need to switch that key"
also it coming with regular switches at that pricepoint is a crime
cause it comes with only MX switches preinstalled
not to mention not all spots are combo swapable just alpha keys it seems
39 slots are tmr/mx the rest just mx
Wait, really? And it will cost the same as full TMR keyboard most likely... what a bunch of penny pinchers...
What amazing value
at least from counting 39 only makes sense if its just tab, caps and shift rows up to enter/rightshift
Same thing as with the SteelSeries, only main part is HE, rest is MX, and yet it costs more than full HE Wootings... 
to store your gateron ks20 switches that you provided of course
They are finally using ks20, they are evolving 
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also @deep hawk did you know that its spelled Ackbar
lots of talk about your name today
What is in a name? A rose by any other smells just as sweet.
It doesn't specify if it's for the better or worse
i dont think they even touched the creaking issue since the dawn of time
best chair debate settled
i'm curious if they stop doing keyboards completely and just go back to only mice drops
feels like they likely spent huge amounts on centerpiece and realise that it's insanely hard to compete at top tier level for the category
its probably the easiest marketing angle for them
TMR is such a con
i did see the steam controller is now tmr
honestly i'm curious how they plan to finish up centerpiece as it is because there's a lot of work they have to do just to get it up to the level they initially wanted
anything wireless tmr makes sense
power savings is good
soo, wireless wooting when
When Sony and other console manufacturers take keyboard seriously maybe? Right now wireless gaming is pretty niche.
Wooting lapdog when
I tried to explain a friend that a wireless gaming keyboard is niche he had to look for a long time before he found one
surely no qc issues

is it even a qc issue if all of their mice has it

the A looks wider than the rest of the word
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Damn, he really is copying Sharur. Sharur was right 
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Though even if he is it's good. Making it better is always good
I'm going to try this right now by uploading a song and just doing a quick EQ preset to various targets and see how I like them
350 for the new koss
Damn I can't do this on Gadgetry Tech's since it doesn
't have the upload song function
dayum, can't wait for measurement I guess
I want to see how it compares against the 490 pro
Switching on and off is audible and it's definitely better with the EQ on as I already knew
Sadly this one barely has any targets
The Kemar one is very similar to Harman 2018
They really just copied PEQdB huh
Since I don't have any cool targets to play around with I'll just EQ it to other headphones for fun. Currently I'm listening to it as if it were the Amanda. Definitely not as good with the lack of bass and 1,5 kHz dip
It's basically exactly the same as PEQdB
Which I like, PEQdB is much more intuitive
Yep. However I find it good that Squig is improving
So no complaints from me
Now they just need to use PEQdB's auto EQ algo
Damn this sounds bad
Which is OSS
Like the algo is fully open, they can just take it
Wait can you upload your own target curves to Squiglink like you can on PEQdB?
Yes
Yayyyyy
I will say the loudness compensation on squiglink is noticeably worse than PEQdB
It tends to make more aggressive EQs too quiet
So it does make testing and trying out different target curves and EQs kind of difficult without loudness bias
I mean technically pre-amp is handled by your well actual amp, but you can kinda do it via software
@wet coral

the only change is the color
LMAO
And it will still have holes in it
Are they closing down?
if you were more in the finalmouse lore you would know that you should expect nothing
does anyone have good mouse recommendations? preferably comparable to my current razer viper v2 pro
Viper v4 pro 
this is true
yes i've seen this ^^
finalmeme
ohno
What do you guys think about the new logitech keyboard and tmr in general. I just bought my wooting š
Sno will make a video soon explaining more about tmr but for now #š¬āgeneral message this should be fine
"soon" - 6 months ago

Trust, next year
gta6 vs wooting tmr video

technically
@ivory tiger wooting tmr video already exists
That's what I linked bub
i didnt click it 
I can tell
new logitech keyboard supports tmr only on 39 switches...don't know why. I don't want a hybrid keyboard with different feeling switches xD
they half baked a keyboard in every sense unfortunately
yeah kind of...and the purple plastic looks cheap
yeah...
Grip/handsize?
I'm tempted to send my Astros to Oratory so he can measure them. Then I'll have the advantage of having a Harman preset literally custom tuned for my exact pair
But I would need to get replacement headphones so I have something to use while I wait
Buy another astro
Expensive. No thanks
Maybe there's a hidden gem $100 headphone I haven't found
Fiio jt3/jt7 time??
Not sure
Btw I've been looking at various measurements of the Heddphone D1 and I think the worrying sharp dip it has at 9 kHz on Gras systems are just a result of the placement
You see it here
It also appears for Gadgetry Tech
However here it doesn't across 4 units
But if you look at measurements of them where they are more up or to the front it appears (though at a little higher frequency)
So I think if I were to fully switch over to wired I would still have this as my #1 choice if budget weren't an issue
Science!
I wish Hifiman would use the Susvara cup dimensions for future headphones. It's much nicer than the very long egg ones
I personally love egg
More than susvara round as well
I find Susvara beautiful looking and part of that to me is the shape. I'm not a big fan of the egg shape
anything you gotta be careful about when buying monitor arms?
want to buy 2x seperate arms since the whole 2 monitor arm things kinda suck
Is this worth it? I have no experience with OLED's apart from TV's
That they fit š
yeah lol just thought quality wise. i think i'll buy a dual monitor mount and put one monitor vertical
I just bought a 2 monitor arm thing and itās actually crazy good but it was 120
Only downside
120??
i just bought a 30 euro one
Yeah but each arm can hold 45 pounds
An it can go up to 45 inches or something like that per arm
i just went with this one
Iām buying a pc here within like 2
I bought this one
Iām buying a pc in like 2 or 3 weeks but idk what to buy Iām spending like 2500-3000, I want a prebuilt bc idk how to build haha, any recommendations?
This one is kinda ass
Unless you have a desk which doesnt dent easily
But if you have heavy monitors youāll need a metal plate to prevent denting
<@&1098943457654997093>
my heaviest monitor is 9kg
so i think it's alright
desk is stable too
Bruh
Donāt bruh me I need help š
9800x3d and a 5080 or 9070xt
5080 horrendous value
all the nvidia gpus are horrendous value
True but id rather someone get a 5070 vs a 5070ti or 5080
Lol
I would be like 5070 ti or 9070 xt
5070 is even worse
5070 is the worst value out of the bunch
5080 should had 20gb vram
Yeah but it dont 
Sorry
I got it the wrong way
I'd rather someone get a 5070ti
If they don't wanna get a 9070xt
My cousin unfortunately would not listen to me but his friend did which is why I built a 9070xt last weekend
its priced at 5080 prices here though
What
you spend 1k on a 5070ti here
id argue they are simmilar tier cards
Wtf
sure an aorus master is 1.4k but still you can get a 5080 for not that much more if you are willing to get a palit one
And we donāt talk about the 5080 Astral
the strix 5070ti costs more than a palit 5080
When I got the 9070xt for 600 eurosI realized it was a deal but seeing the price now I understand it was really a good deal
The 5070ti was like 800 euros back then
A little bit less
I should have waited with my purchase
When did you get it?
Oh
hmmm
Well you enjoyed the gpu for more time than me also
I do enjoy it but i hate the price that i paid for it
if amd polished up fsr id be back on team amd in an instant
I dont think amd will ever be at the level of nvidia but it is good enough
Imo FSR 4 is quite polished
i tried fsr3. something in cyberpunk and it was uhm something
Honestly fsr4 is good
Fsr 3.1 was good as well
Isnt a 7800x3 d better for gaming? @humble ridge
crazy good deal damn
I would get an air cooler instead
that bundle is cheaper than some 32 GB ddr5 kits
Shit cpu though
still enough for a good mid gaming build
5800x3d is almost better
Fair
Why the 9700x
Freak if I know idk what Iām doing it just choosing stuff yhat sounds cool truly
if they have a 7800x3d, get that instead
Instead of what exactly?
the 9700X
im still cpu limited with overclocked 9800x3d
Isnāt the processor the ābrainā so donāt I want the better? Or like Whu tge 7800 ober the 9700?
next gen when
damn what game?
overwat
time to use more water to increase your ai power 
Marathon is also cpu bound


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