🌐│pc_gear

[wet coral]

so fucking glad i dont have to use squishy mushy side mouse buttons anymore

[rain turret]

I loved my previous mouse, but man the side buttons i couldn't stand anymore

[plain schooner]

How is the pathfinder I almost pulled the trigger on it

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGCAVsYVvaA

[delicate ice]

Im a big fan of the Pulsar X2 Crazylight mini

[obtuse dove]

oddly enough, I fixed the mushy side buttons with painters tape of all things

LMAO

it actually helped a lot to get rid of a lot of the pre-travel the side buttons have on the GPX

[wet coral]

ive figured out what in using middle button split spacebar for in bf6

ima use it for rangefinder

[obtuse dove]

nice

I just bind it to my mouse button

[wet coral]

what pisses me off is range finder and fire selector being the same key

[obtuse dove]

there is an option to only make it change the rangefinder while ADS

[wet coral]

🤨

[obtuse dove]

its called "range finder zeroing if zoomed"

I think

maybe

something along the lines of that

[wet coral]

interesting

[round lagoon]

mmm, too much to choice from

[quasi field]

Aside from the bluebone they're so similar that I'd choose base on looks/comfort

[proper turret]

whats the best recommended size monitor? feel like ill be overpaying dealing with a 34inch curved 1440p 240hz monitor when i mainly play esport

which is around $700 for a qd-oled

.-.

[gaunt flax]

for esports most don't go above 27"

[proper turret]

thx

[gaunt flax]

24-27" is typical. 27" if you want to go oled high refresh

[proper turret]

looking for a solid qd oled thats 27inch

[quasi field]

1440pee?

[wispy blaze]

i recently bought a g61sd

loving it

[crude talon]

Rather than finding a good monitor first I looked up what’s cheap currently(especially with black friday coming up) and then looked up reviews to see if they’re good
I got an aw2725df for less than 500€, and that’s a 360hz that’s cheaper than any 240hz I could find here right now

[rain turret]

PG27AQDM

[proper turret]

yeah i can buy a 360hz or even higher but i just heard thats pointless

i dont know how a 240hz feel from a 360hz so i honestly dont know if it would be worth it getting a 360hz

[proper turret]

yes a 1440p

i think 4k is a bit overkill for right now since i dont own a 5090 or nothing

[proper turret]

ok ill give it a look, currently was just looking at a lg ultragear 27GS93QE

[deep hawk]

Even though 360hz refreshes 50% more frequently than 240hz, the difference in the real world is as the limit approaches 0

[past dome]

What region/currency?

[proper turret]

also does companies matter? like for example LG, AlienWare, Samsung

[deep hawk]

For me, personally, getting a monitor that is spec'd above 144hz is a waste of money

[proper turret]

interesting

so you cant feel no difference?

[past dome]

At this point, noticing anything above 360hz is subjective. Some people can't see a difference and for others its huge

[deep hawk]

I can only barely perceive the difference between 90hz and 144hz if I'm really paying attention to it

Let stand 144hz to 240hz, and certainly not between 240hz and 360hz

[crude talon]

Even if I thought it was pointless I wouldn’t pay more for a lower refresh rate monitor 😂
Even if it’s diminishing returns you’ll still get better motion clarity if your games can run at 360, and if you don’t run games that high framerate it’ll just be the same experience if you set it to a lower one

[proper turret]

yeah im trying to see whats the best option cause people say they cant see it but feel the difference on higher hz

[deep hawk]

I would much, much rather increase my graphics settings and run around 90fps than split hairs over trying to eek out the highest frame rate. For me, this is a much better gaming experience

[proper turret]

i mean yeah i agree

[rain turret]

No reason not to get higher refresh, if you can afford and you stay within the specs you otherwise wanted.

[past dome]

Been playing gd again. 360hz definitely helps lol

[deep hawk]

I disagree, because the money not spent on getting the highest possible refresh rate monitor is way better spent pretty much anywhere else

Like for example, beer

[wise garnet]

is it a massive boost from 144 hz?

[past dome]

For me yeah

[crude talon]

I upgraded from 60hz tn to 360hz oled 👴 👍

[rain turret]

See you can always get beer later, and the price diff is a detail that the person in question can work out if they can justify.
If i was gonna buy my new monitor now and not next year, i would make that call depending on the price difference.

[proper turret]

best thing i see right now thats solid is a qd-oled thats 1440p , 240hz, flatscreen for $500

27inch

[past dome]

Usd?

[proper turret]

yes

[crude talon]

That sounds pretty nice

[proper turret]

if i can find a 360hz ill definitely get that if its near the price

[rain turret]

yeah, the specs i sent aswell
there may be a 360Hz already, but i don't remember if it's good enough, certainly not enough are out yet to choose.

I'll have a look when i get home from work

[past dome]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7LzXsY/aoc-agon-pro-ag276qzd2-267-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-ag276qzd2

Cheapest 360hz is like $600

[proper turret]

ahh ok then yeah ill stay with the $500

[rain turret]

Mark wasn't wrong in the sense that theres a much bigger leap between 100Hz to 200Hz, while the jump from 200Hz to 300Hz is less, and therefore individuals will definitely sense it less likely.

[past dome]

Seems like there's diminishing returns between 200hz and 300hz, but above that at around 500hz you can notice quite a difference again

[proper turret]

i see 500hz thats cheaper than the 240hz but i guess because its not oled

[rain turret]

Yeah theres a leap again somewhere above 300Hz where it should be perceivable again (and atleast it is a bigger increase on paper), but i'm not quite sure at what exact numbers.
Blur busters chart only shows to a certain number.

Probably not 1440p OR not OLED at all

[proper turret]

yeah 1080p

lol

[rain turret]

hehe

[past dome]

Noticing refresh rate is like a u shape on a graph lol

[rain turret]

or if you really wanna tryhard, 720Hz at 720p xDDDD
looks ass, but we are getting there i guess

[proper turret]

best option is to order a high hz monitor and play around with it to see if i feel any differences then return to what i like?

[wise garnet]

too pixelity, the enemies would be blending into the map with that res lol

[rain turret]

yeah i agree

[wise garnet]

yea

[rain turret]

until the refresh can get there with the same resolution (optimally 1440p in this case), i couldn't care less about having these insane numbers

[wise garnet]

yea

[rain turret]

to be fair, i would be quite content with 240Hz

[wise garnet]

im eager to try out out 300 hz

[proper turret]

yes that seems like the sweet spot currently

[rain turret]

But depends, i'm building the PC next year, might just go from 165Hz to 360Hz directly, yolo

[wise garnet]

ram prices are crazy rn

[past dome]

If you're playing only competitive games, higher refresh rate is best. If not, but play any other games then oled is fine

[rain turret]

yeah skipping that, by the time i build it should normalize again

[wise garnet]

yea ur right

[deep hawk]

I can only speak for myself, but if I were shopping for a new monitor, the panel type (oled, IPS, etc) would be far more important than the refreshrate

[wise garnet]

yea i also wondered if like ips is WAY better then va for comp games

[deep hawk]

An O-LED at 240hz will look waaaaay nicer than the same priced non-oled but 360hz

[heady zenith]

for me its monitor size and res

[rain turret]

I mean you made it clear that you see no or barely any difference between refresh rates, so your preference makes sense.
Not that theres alot to choose from between panel types, most people will go for OLED.

[deep hawk]

I gotta run some errands, best of luck with your research

[past dome]

The q27g40xmn is my go to recommendation for a non oled gaming monitor

[rain turret]

Take care Sir, also going to work in a few mins

[wise garnet]

va or ips for comp?

[heady zenith]

brain to computer interface so you skip inefficient monitors

[past dome]

Oled

Mini led is really good if oled is too much. Most mini led are va and also have qd

[quasi field]

Geometry Dash is a fantastic game when it comes to noticeability of refresh rates

[wispy blaze]

oled my beloved

[quasi field]

240 to 360 is small. I would not make that jump unless there are other benefits like the panel being overall better anyway. I'd upgrade for 480

[wispy blaze]

Oled diff goes crazy

[quasi field]

Just remember not to fall for incrementialisn

While there's diminishing curve of returns, it curves very far. I have confirmed at Blur Busters that geometric differences can compensate -- 240Hz-vs-1000Hz (assuming framerate=Hz) is actually more visible than 144Hz-vs-240Hz.

The idea is to double the refresh rate or more each time

240 to 360 is not that

(of course it is still better but you might want for a bigger improvement)

[past dome]

Woah nice pc gear

[plain schooner]

No stay and take care of Dali

[deep hawk]

I've already returned, and when I did, I held Dali as we watched the birds out of the open window

Was a nice moment

[heady zenith]

and dali turned inside out as the cold air came in through the window

[deep hawk]

Nah she enjoyed the fresh air for a bit

We stood there for a solid six or seven minutes

[abstract warren]

I will never miss that grey top

[jolly pulsar]

Chicken ergonomic mouse

[earnest walrus]

I'm on a 1440p 240hz monitor, and I think it's kinda a sweet spot for price to performance tbh

[plain schooner]

As long as you can game bro

[tender sinew]

Yuh lmao

[wet coral]

visa card spotted on the table

@tender sinew might wanna remove that

[tender sinew]

mb gng

[rain turret]

not bad at all indeed

@rigid dagger so hows the cr-005?

[rigid dagger]

for me i could justify going from my XG248Q (240Hz) to my current PG27AQN (360Hz) because ULMB 2 was just so much better than ELMB on the XG monitor. Response times were hot garbage on that display. PG27 is definitely one of the best performing IPS panels in terms of motion clarity

[rigid dagger]

i have used it briefly with jade dots and yeah I can actually feel the "tug" that reviewers have mentioned over the SP-004 and VA-005 that I also havr

[rain turret]

can you explain what would tug mean in this context?

[rigid dagger]

I also tried a 240Hz W-OLED and 360Hz QD-OLED but I highly dislike sample and hold displays, i need backlight strobing or CRT Electron Beam Simulator stuff

[rigid dagger]

drag the mouse in any direction, and it exhibits a greater opposing friction force on the CR-005 vs the 2 other surfaces i mentioned

[rain turret]

greater opposing friction force

[rigid dagger]

sorry if I wasn't clear enough haha

[rain turret]

so like, the resistance while dragging is higher on this new pad than previous ones?

or stopping power perhaps?

[rigid dagger]

Yeah the CR-005 has a bit morr stopping power, and generally comes to a halt much quicker

[rain turret]

so is that what you are experiencing or something else

[rigid dagger]

that is what i was experiencing yes

[rain turret]

okay

so as advertised

so i have no clue what jade dots are, but is that any sort of contributing factor you think?

[rigid dagger]

I only did brief testing because I dont have desk space, but yeah I did feel it was more controlled

[rigid dagger]

jade dots are PTFE skates, I wouldn't recommend them for glass though since they get absolutely chewed up in a few weeks if you daily drive them

[rain turret]

so like whats the diff from like stock mouse PTFE feet

[rigid dagger]

at least thats what aimers say, but I will switch to Titanium U9s from X raypad later

[rain turret]

i assume then in itself it wouldn't contribute to what you felt

[rigid dagger]

PTFE dots have less surface area over typical shaped PTFE, so I think you'd get a faster glide since there is less contact being made

[rain turret]

ohh just the shape and size of these feet, okay fair

One more thing, then i'll leave you to it

How did you feel about the size?

[rigid dagger]

again im not sure since i haven't had a chanve to properly use it, so I will see when I get my monitor arm set up!

[rain turret]

Fair, you did use the other versions though, haven't you? (not sure if they changed the size however)

[rigid dagger]

i didnt have a chance, just tested them a little bit

and I really like each of them

but as for which one I will use, not sure

I think the SP-004 is a little smaller than the 005 series in surface area

[rain turret]

Ohh wow you have several, but didn't use them properly. Fair enough.
Well thank you for the answers, hope you will enjoy your new toy(s)!

[rigid dagger]

tyty

I have all 3 surfaces and I should be able to use them next week yeah

[quasi field]

That's fair. I loved the motion of my CRT aside from the slow phosphors

[rain turret]

lets see if we can avoid shipping with DHL Express this way

[lunar niche]

I really need to leave this Discord while there’s anything left in my bank account

[rigid dagger]

have you seen the 60Hz CRT Beam Sim from blur busters

[abstract warren]

nonsense we're just getting started

[gaunt flax]

Ah another member of the 490 pro church

[round lagoon]

hd490 pro is all you(I) need

[quasi field]

Yes it's very good. Hoping it will be implemented on hardware level for a monitor

A 4k 480 Hz+ oled would be so epic with it

[rigid dagger]

I think we might need 160Gbps

[rigid dagger]

That's what I have been saying, we need a CRT mode on a firmware level

[quasi field]

I believe I have seen Mark Rejhon talking about it on his forum. He was discussing this with manefacturers

[rigid dagger]

Mark? isn't he the blurbusters guy

[quasi field]

Yes the owner/founder

[rigid dagger]

He's actually awesome

I love their research

[quasi field]

It would work very well if the persistence weren't tied to the highest refresh rate the monitor can go to

Imagine a persistence reduction of 90% at 60 Hz/fps for example even on a 120 or 240 Hz monitor

[rigid dagger]

i have a question, with the CRT effect work on verical scrolling or only for horizontal scrolling

I tried it on my PG27AQN without and with ULMB 2 and it's actually insane how crisp everything is

[quasi field]

Any direction of course

[rigid dagger]

do you know geometry dash

[quasi field]

Yes I played it a lot in 2013

On my Samsung Galaxy S3

Which was horrible looking

Geometry Dash is best played on super high refresh rate monitors or ones using well-implemented strobing

[rigid dagger]

I would imagine that all of these filters and monitor technologies would make the game so much better to play on than sample and hold displays

I am currently playing it on my PG27AQN

I can say ULMB 2 is game changing for the game

[rigid dagger]

that sounded weird, point stands tho

[rigid dagger]

I wonder, if you have 2 identical Tandem OLEDs on a still image, but one of them uses the CRT Electron Beam Simulator, do you think that CRT effect may prevent panel burn in? because technically the pixels are always active?

say 2x PG27AQWP-W displays on 1440p 540Hz, but one of them had a CRT Electron Beam effect active, but the other was not using that on the same exact still image

[quasi field]

I have no idea. But it would be an interesting thing to test. Though whoever tests it would need to test it on many displays, maybe 10, to make sure it's not just a coincidence that the ones with it last longer or not

Can't see anyone other than Rtings doing this

[rigid dagger]

yeah

Also have you heard about Quantum Dot Electro Luminescent displays? or QDEL?

I think they're similar to QD-OLED but like not organic

so it should not burn in, if not last longer than OLED

[quasi field]

All displays can «burn-in» since it's just the pixels losing luminance from wear. That's why you can go to a pitsa foodchain and see the logo and other stuff «burnt-in» on the LCD TVs they use to display marketing and menus

But yes they will hopefully be more resistant than oled is

[lunar niche]

https://tenor.com/view/spraywater-spray-prank-funny-shutup-gif-7261203

But then again…

[quasi field]

I would never buy that headphone

I'd only buy it for cheap if it means an opportunity to sell it for profit

[lunar niche]

Ew investments I wanna light money on fire

[quasi field]

https://tenor.com/view/money-burning-fire-dollar-bills-gif-11873167

Expensive Hifiman headphones:

[lunar niche]

But if you’re gonna go big

[quasi field]

It's funny how the supposed «best headphone in the world» is very Harman compliant which I think goes to show the greatness of the curve

I don't believe it's the best headphone in the world. That is for sure just a collection of fallacies (expectation bias from the extreme price, the luxury of it, the exclusivity of it, the reputation, driver tech bias/placebo etc.) but it is undeniably a great headphone in the end

[lunar niche]

I’m sure it’s a joy but also the definition of diminishing return on investment

[quasi field]

HE-1 measured by Oratory. This is very good!

[lunar niche]

You’d hope so for 70k

[quasi field]

But my EQed Astros would sound better to me in the end because they have the correct amplification levels in bass etc.

[quasi field]

Yes though I kind of feel like super expensive headphones have a negative correlation to quality

There are so many super expensive ones that are bad

[lunar niche]

I know, we bonded over the z1r’s 😃

[quasi field]

When did you buy yours?

[lunar niche]

2018

Before the end of the world

[quasi field]

This name is so bad it's funny

[lunar niche]

Why would you do that to your own product 😆

[quasi field]

Idk

But based on measurements I wouldn't call it la puta at all

It seems pretty promising

But it probably weighs too much for me and I think the connectors that seem just downward pointing seem unergonomic

[bitter ore]

lol it sounded familiar so i looked it up

why did they do that

[quasi field]

Because they're Chinese and probably just don't know

[bitter ore]

i thought it was this word lol

[quasi field]

Usually only people in the western world know anything about Spanish. I mostly know about Spanish because of Americans and I'm not even American

[bitter ore]

oh shit they make keyboards

[full hazel]

https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/2131022/lg-ultragear-oled-27gx790a-zwart/specificaties/
Good monitor?

[languid ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/laputa-castle-in-the-sky-flying-castle-romantic-anime-gif-25407324

[rain turret]

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gx790a-b

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGSib_AgcTE

Ehh, I rather passive wired headphone since any extra latency even 5-10ms can throw you off in rhythm game.

[quasi field]

Not going to watch clickbait shit from this channel but it's true that there's nothing prevent a gaming headset to be better than virtually any pair of «audiophile headphones»

[gaunt flax]

Didn’t sennheiser release their headset mod now so you can turn a 560s into a gaming headset pretty easily

Feels like that should be the go to for most folks

[quasi field]

Active (wireless) headsets can easily be great when they have built-in amplifiers and dacs and the advantages this can bring. It's great for loudspeakers for example

[round lagoon]

yesh, and considering how good it already is (plus you can use it with other 500 series headphone and 620s), could be a nice wired option other than IEM.

[quasi field]

«Gaming headsets are bad» is an outdated and overly generalised statement

Especially funny when snobby audiophiles that own shitty headphones like the AB-1266 Phi TC say this

[lunar niche]

Everyone makes mistakes

[full hazel]

What are actually the best sounding wireless headphones/headsets

[lunar niche]

For me I don't really benefit from wireless as I'm sitting at my desk when I'd be using them. Passive headphones mean I don't have to worry about batteries becoming spicy pillows or needing to be replaced, and the tech is always viable (analog).

I'm glad that there's more high quality options out there though, ain't nothing wrong with that!

Wireless headphones for the phone for on the go / casual listening / podcasts are difficult to replace for me now, though, especially since otherwise now you'd have to deal w/ dongles.

[round lagoon]

I'm wired all the way, even with dongle. Most thing that I like the tuned of is wired and I'm already on that wire life since HS.

plus I can use it with the arcade and get a nice isolation while focusing.

[quasi field]

I love wireless. I'll never go back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701111497782329364/1395486348919443598/PunchingCat_-_1937623516653711835.gif

[rigid dagger]

I love my Maxwells by Audeze

[quasi field]

I have them but they're too heavy. I don't use them

[rigid dagger]

Hi Soria, good to see you again

[quasi field]

Hello Aerobrake

[heady crystal]

AirPods Pro 3 have ruined me

The ANC is too good

[rigid dagger]

also I got used to the Maxwells' weight

I came from a GPX headset

been using that pair for years

[quasi field]

Is that Logitech?

[rigid dagger]

yeah, many years ago I just got them

like 2017 i think idk

or 2016

didn't know what made a good listening experience until I tried my Maxwells

[quasi field]

In the Maxwell's case, a good listening experience is from having a balanced tonality without a major shortfall or peaks/dips everywhere and with low enough distortion

It's full of smaller peaks/dips like a Hifiman headphone, and I'm not a fan of that channel imbalance around 200 Hz, but it's overall a very good natural tonality for most people

[rigid dagger]

I also don't have to worry about the bass and trebble getting muddied together which is nice

[quasi field]

I used the immersive preset since it has a little extra bass

[rain turret]

[rigid dagger]

I use a custom EQ with a bit more emphasis on the bass, as most of my songs tend to have more of it

it sounds nice

especially exosphere and crazy by creo

[quasi field]

Yes custom PEQ is much better than simple presets like these

[full hazel]

What is considered best sounding wireless headphones/headset the maxwell or?

[rigid dagger]

probably not the best, but maybe among the better ones

[quasi field]

IMO it's the Astro A50 Gen 5 after some simple EQing in the Astro software

[rigid dagger]

soria seems to know more tho

[quasi field]

But Maxwell is a more popular mention because:

1. It is likely to sound better before you EQ
2. It is more popular
3. Brand name bias
4. Driver technology bias

[rigid dagger]

true

but they do sound good, they are just not the best

[quasi field]

Most people would probably be happier with the Astros after EQ than Maxwell (even when compared post-EQ Maxwell). They are lighter, have a better microphone, more tolerant to leakage such as if you wear glasses etc.

[rigid dagger]

I have heard good things about the Astros

[quasi field]

The wireless range is a little worse though. When I walk to my front door I lose connection, but the Audeze still maintain connection at that distance

[full hazel]

Hmm so i should probably go for astro a50 instead

[heady crystal]

Do any of the mainstream wireless gaming headphones have web drivers yet?

[full hazel]

They are a whole lot cheaper than maxwell aswell damn

[quasi field]

Imo yes but it might be more expensive. I don't remember the price differences. But do make sure you EQ it at least. It's easy and I can just send you presets you can use with one click to avoid doing it yourself

[quasi field]

I don't know of any. Astro doesn't

[rain turret]

I must say i'm quite content with my Nova Pro (wireless)

[full hazel]

Yes please and astro is 100€ cheaper than maxwell

[quasi field]

Are you looking at the Gen 5? Only the Gen 5 of the Astro A50 is good

[rigid dagger]

solid

[full hazel]

Yeah

[quasi field]

Oh good

I'd 100% pick that then

[full hazel]

And ill also get that base aswell

Or is that an extra pirchase?

[quasi field]

Yes it comes with it. It's needed. It's what you use to charge and it's what sends the wireless signal to the headset

[full hazel]

Thats amazing then

[quasi field]

Well if it didn't come with the base station you wouldn't be able to use it..

[full hazel]

Yeah no i mean it more as in like not having to lay it on the table or having to buy something extra for it

You know?

When not using

[bitter sapphire]

u have to plug that in 0-24

[quasi field]

What does this mean. Charging?

[bitter sapphire]

doesn't the base station is the wireless signal stuff

[quasi field]

https://tenor.com/view/imnota-cat-fubuki-gif-18573529

[bitter sapphire]

that gives the headset the signal to be connected to the pc

i dont remember the word for it

[quasi field]

The base station is connected to your PC through USB, and the base station is what sends audio to the headset

So it's going back-and-forth between the base station and headset, not computer and headset directly

I like that personally

[rain turret]

It's quite the standard now across different wireless headsets

[quasi field]

And this means you never have to stop to charge the headset since when you're going to sleep or just not using it you place it on the base station which ensures it will always stay charged for use

Never had a moment where I had to quit using it or connect a cable to charge it under use

[rain turret]

I think i'm getting a holder for it that i can mount under the desk next month, Brainwawz makes them

[quasi field]

Holder for what?

[rain turret]

The base station i have

[bitter sapphire]

headset holder

[rain turret]

well headset too actually

2in1

[bitter sapphire]

thats why i loved my wireless headset from Roccat as well the Syn Max Air was great

[quasi field]

I guess the ultimate downside of the base station is the fact that you have something on your desk. I like wireless headsets since I don't need amplifiers or dacs on my desk, but instead I have the base station taking space. It is very compact, similar to a Schiit Magni, but still I'd prefer having nothing like this on it

[rain turret]

ohh Roccat lol, i still have a Kave from them which is true 5.1, IN A HEADSET LOL

Wonder if it still works

[quasi field]

It really really pains me when I see people buy passive speakers to use on their desks and they have huge amplifiers on the desk

[rain turret]

I think it's a fine compromise, but i'm also attempting to clear deskspace by hiding it under with that holder instead. Essentially it doesn't have to show, because i never have to physically operate it.

[quasi field]

I might do that when I get a PC case that doesn't have a vented top. I'll place mine on top of the PC under my desk

[rain turret]

Ohh you have the case under the desk, i see

Could always check if someone makes a holder you could screw or tape to the underside of the tabletop aswell.

[quasi field]

I'll just have it on the case. It's easier and free

[plain schooner]

Yeah now the Zen 8k feels too big

I think the sweet spot is gonna be the mini

[quasi field]

Don't these collect a lot of skin

[void herald]

Can anyone help me out? I’ve had my wooting just randomly stop working for whatever reason a few time. I’ve had it for less than a month…

I will be in game and then it stops working but when i open wootility it says that the keys are working. I can’t type in google chrome or anything like that but my discord bind for deafening is working

[abstract warren]

Did you get the magnesium scroll wheel

[rain turret]

Skin and dust, it gets disgusting (don't ask)

[crude talon]

I don’t have that mouse specifically but I haven’t had any issues with my mice with holes

[wispy blaze]

Me neither

[blazing matrix]

those are massive oml

[wispy blaze]

Are they not just op1 sized?

[blazing matrix]

my hands are small so :v idk

[crude talon]

op1 is pretty skinny even if it’s kinda long, should work well with small hands, it does look pretty big in the picture though

[blazing matrix]

I have superlight 2 and that's pretty big too

[crude talon]

quite a bit bigger

[blazing matrix]

rlly? :v

dimensions!

[crude talon]

it’s taller, wider, and longer by pretty noticeable margins
not like ones tiny and the other ones huge though

I use an hsk pro though and that is pretty tiny

[blazing matrix]

oo

[full hazel]

These ram prices are too diabolical mann 😭

[proper turret]

im new to pc parts but how much did they usually cost?

like how would a 32gb cost

[rain turret]

From below 100 EUR to roughly 150 ish. (depends on the kit really)

[wispy blaze]

a few months ago i was looking at a cl30 16x2 kit for 150 cad

now its like 300 cad

[rain turret]

just one example, not the cheapest kit and not the most extreme increase, but it tells the story

[wispy blaze]

😭

[full hazel]

I helped me friend build his pc recently he was just in time

Just barely got a cl30 for €140

Is this not brilliant?

I will buy a headset stand for a headset which comes with a base station? 😭

[wispy blaze]

that headset looks bulky asf

[quasi field]

It's not

[round lagoon]

noice, enjoy your headset

[full hazel]

Im not gonna buy it yet

[rain turret]

far from brilliant heh

[quasi field]

draadloze

[full hazel]

I was just looking at it and noticed that

[round lagoon]

mmmhm

[digital badger]

I’ve had the same g pro wireless for the last like 5 years I think it might be time soon to upgrade? Should I get another g pro or do I get something else?

[full hazel]

Black friday is when i will buy

[round lagoon]

good luck

[quasi field]

That is a really terrible and misleading aanbeveling from them but I assume it's just some randomly generated thing instead of being handpicked

[wispy blaze]

something else

[full hazel]

Yeah most likely hahaha

[digital badger]

Any suggestions?

[wispy blaze]

checkout stuff from lamzu, wlmouse, pulsar, razer 🤢

lamzu maya x would be close to gpx but feel a lot better

[quasi field]

Deathadder 2013 is still king

[wispy blaze]

my brother just got one a few days ago, also coming from gpx

[lament siren]

@jolly pulsar

[wispy blaze]

im gonna shill beastx max but not everyone wants holes

[wispy blaze]

wtf

i checked 2 days ago and it was 300 cad for that kit

[wispy blaze]

😭

[lament siren]

never supporting team group in my life

i already got my ram

[wispy blaze]

man i was gonna order them a few months ago when that exact kit was 150 cad 😭

now im cooked

[lament siren]

but teamgroup and g skill really trying to push $500+ ram

[lament siren]

i saw it for 80-120 a few months back

[digital badger]

Wtf is that????? I got Klev 32cl 64GB ram for like $220 when I built my pc like 2 months ago😭

[wispy blaze]

go check how much that same kit is now

[lament siren]

the clankers need that good good

[full hazel]

I am gonna upgrade pc soon but im waiting for new ram prices

[rain turret]

Ohh nice a fellow Klevv enjoyer, price checks out

[round lagoon]

the ram prices makes me sad

[wispy blaze]

canadian pricing

🔥

[digital badger]

Wtf

What happened lol

[lament siren]

looks like the pc going be heating the house during this winter

🔥

[wet coral]

AI

[wispy blaze]

chip shortage from ai

[digital badger]

Yeah… we’ll klevv is good and was prices reasonably when I built my dream pc

Well*

[quasi field]

Bought this for 1 231 NOK ($122) a little over a year ago

Now it's apparently 3 000 NOK (around $300)

[digital badger]

Oof

[wispy blaze]

a 32gb kit of ram now costs more than my 5800x3d did 😭

i can get a 9800x3d for the price of these klev ram kits

what the fuck

[digital badger]

The kit of ram that I got was about how much my 9800x3d costed

[full hazel]

Clankers happened

[wispy blaze]

thats wild

[digital badger]

USD it’s still $469.99

At least on Amazon

[wet coral]

got this kit for $104 last year

[full hazel]

For me its 450 aswell yeah

[wet coral]

fuck you mean its discounted from $400

😭

[digital badger]

😭

[quasi field]

I assume that's fake?

[wispy blaze]

unlikely looking at these other prices

[full hazel]

Bought this kit 2 weeks ago for 130€
Sold out everywhere now ig

[wet coral]

😭

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

microcenter amd bundles doesnt even include the ram anymore

[quasi field]

I feel bad for people that want to get into gaming now

Well PC building I mean

[wet coral]

"wait for black friday"

[wispy blaze]

yeah so much for building an am5 system next year 😭

[wet coral]

nah cause this happeend with me at the start of covid

i was thinking of building a pc and everything became unobtainium

[wispy blaze]

atp i might as well just dive deeper into cars

damn near just as expensive 😭

[plain schooner]

Not from my experience

[plain schooner]

On the Zen8k yeah

[abstract warren]

how do you like it

[hazy fiber]

I need mini

[plain schooner]

Supposedly we're getting a magnesium wheel for the Pulse so I'll be ordering that when it drops

[lament siren]

me till i saw the ram prices going up everyday

but i bought at a good time

[lunar niche]

That GN video painted a grim picture for memory prices

Estimated to not get better until after 2026

[plain schooner]

I’m glad I built my little brother’s pc before all this

[wet coral]

now sell it

[deep hawk]

If you can avoid buying RAM for the next two years, do so

[lunar niche]

If you can't, even though it's awful it might be best to do it now

[deep hawk]

I don't think that's necessarily true

If you want to wait for a "good deal" then use PC PartPicker to observe the highest and lowest price for the last 18 months, then if at any point the spot price is in the bottom half of that range, it's considered a discount and a "good" price

https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/

Buy second hand, and buy a kit that is worse than you might otherwise want while you wait out the storm

[lunar niche]

TuringTest Industries does not provide financial advice; historical returns are not indicative of future performance

[deep hawk]

Nothing goes straight up forever

[lunar niche]

Excuse me

Local models?

🤣

Build a k8s cluster my dude

Scale horizontal not vertical

Honestly a bit surprising to me, figured of all games Minecraft might be kinda CPU heavy

They all run under the same JVM instance?

(Also I didn't realize it was still on the JVM!)

Thought that was only the early version and that they were native now

[heady zenith]

depends

[lunar niche]

Amazing, figured MSoft would have forced a rewrite in C# 🙂

[heady zenith]

bedrock isnt

[lunar niche]

That a diff flavor of the server?

[heady zenith]

cpp actually for bedrock

[heady zenith]

yes

its an entire different game

with different mechanics in some aspects

[lunar niche]

Different client too?

[heady zenith]

yes

[lunar niche]

fascinating

[heady zenith]

theres minecraft java edition

aka the one everyone knows

and bedrock

[lunar niche]

Gotcha, ok so that must've been what I heard rumblings about wrt native minecraft

[heady zenith]

there is server mods and gateways to make bedrock clients be able to play on java servers

yes

prob prismlauncher

[deep hawk]

Weren't they going to sunset bedrock?

[heady zenith]

lol no

but basically what was once the legacy console versions (all with their own name of Minecraft CONSOLENAME Edition) and pocket edition (the legacy phone version) became bedrock in 1 bundle together with a pc port to a c++ rewrite

bedrock has too many issues to list, good modding support though with datapacks (which slowly are coming to java) but also a store for ingame cosmetics

[crude talon]

minecraft windows 10 edition

the demo worlds were fun on console

[heady zenith]

luckily just what they named bedrock for a while

[twilit flame]

minecraft for new nintendo 3ds systems

[lunar niche]

I had no idea that there was so much lore w/ the mc software!

[heady zenith]

oh the 3ds version of minecraft is actually not part of the legacy console editions

its a completely separate thing

same for pi edition for raspberry pis

[crude talon]

apple tv minecraft?

[heady zenith]

oh lord

dont remind me

[deep hawk]

Minecraft TI-83 edition

[lunar niche]

Tell me that's real

[heady zenith]

there is a still active edition outside of classic, java, bedrock and education though

china edition

im most impressed that people to this day play classic with some essential mods like fly mods etc

its insane

the 4k edition got a JS release

[lunar niche]

I found it!

[heady zenith]

back then i deleted all emails so i sadly have no mail of it anymore sadge

[lunar niche]

I'm trying to see if I can even get in with this purchase anymore

Seems like I'd probably have to reach out to MS support, not happening today

[heady zenith]

ye

[lunar niche]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-post-ron-swanson-mad-gif-14599019

[heady zenith]

just realise this is pc gear channel

[lunar niche]

Once again, Steam comes out on top (they weren't recording activity, I played so much Audiosurf)

Yeah but #🔌│tech is talking about gacha games

And who even knows what #🎮│game is talking about

[muted terrace]

Can anyone recommend me some endgame mouse skates for the viper v3 pro? I want something like the stock skates.

[frigid ivy]

Bruh

[lunar niche]

Needs scaffolding

[wet coral]

bro...

[lunar niche]

Reminds me a bit of Stax “over ear headphones” (they’re just speakers sat close to your head)

[rich condor]

I raise you Puds headphones
https://www.rxddit.com/r/headphones/comments/1fofoew/i_made_headphones_with_8_drivers_and_3_custom/

Check out his whole range here https://pud.com/

[wispy blaze]

What the fuck 😭

Thats so ugly but probably sounds so good lol

[crude talon]

speaking of ugly my friend said my sundaras look like a single use grill

[quasi field]

I don't find them very nice looking

[rich condor]

Look he's just havin fun

[proper vector]

Give a man 3d printer...

[lunar niche]

Incredible 🥰

[obtuse dove]

I also delete emails that are over a year old except starred ones.

[deep hawk]

Hah you got into it sooo late

[lunar niche]

I know I'm slow

Amazing, just a couple weeks apart ❤️

[heady zenith]

oh no i havent deleted an email in 11 years or more

just back then i somehow thought i had to delete them as i was too dumb to understand folders

[obtuse dove]

lol, for me emails eat a surprising amount of cloud storage LMAO.

[heady zenith]

well thats no worry to me

i got 1tb of email storage

[obtuse dove]

nice

I really need to find a better email client ngl

[heady zenith]

i just use the webclient tbh

thunderbird is kinda meh and outlook well... is outlook

[lunar niche]

If you find one LMK, I'm currently maining Thunderbird

[heady zenith]

i mean theres only one client i havent really tried yet which is geary but id also have to crosscompile it myself

[vital gorge]

I tried Geary.. It's wasn't great

But that was like 5 years ago

[patent patrol]

could bluetooth 6.2 be interesting for gaming hardware 🤔

could allow for around 2600hz instead of the usual 125hz

[blissful gust]

my emails only go back to 2015 wtf

Actually that would make sense since i wiped every email in uni

but if it helps i bought it before then

it was before the nether was added and minecarts were new

[mental spade]

Track mine by the video that made me buy it

[gleaming axle]

Anyone here used lamzu maya x and gpx 2? Whats better?

[wispy blaze]

lamzu for sure

[obtuse dove]

In my opinion GPX2, I tried my friend's maya X and the clicks are too stiff for me.

[wispy blaze]

my brother just swapped to maya x from gpx

[wispy blaze]

gpx side buttons though 🤢

[obtuse dove]

He also thinks the clicks on the maya X are too stiff so he returned it

[obtuse dove]

I was able to fix mine with painters tape

Perfectly fine now

[wispy blaze]

having to take it apart and fix it is exactly why its a problem though

its that easy of a fix yet it still exists after the gpx1 also had it 😭

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, but biggest issue for me with Maya X was the clicks being way too stiff

[wispy blaze]

mightve been qc because ive never heard that myself

[obtuse dove]

Like the maya X takes roughly double the amount of force to click than the GPX2

The side buttons were nice though

[wispy blaze]

it uses omron opticals

perhaps it was a qc thing

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, but it's weird that it is very stiff

[wispy blaze]

nobody does opticals like the beastx tho

this shit is peak

[obtuse dove]

I tried one, I didn't like the magnesium build very much

[wispy blaze]

so incredibly light, with 0 pre travel

[wispy blaze]

solid side version is better

the side slits are meh

[obtuse dove]

It was solid side

The coating was very slippery

[wispy blaze]

uhh

you got greasy ass sweat or something then

this shit is grippy for me

on both my max and mini

[obtuse dove]

No, opposite, I have super dry hands

Because I have eczema

[wispy blaze]

maybe thats the problem then

idk

[obtuse dove]

(Thanks mom. )

[wispy blaze]

your the only person ive ever seen say that 😭

[obtuse dove]

I dont have very good grip on a lot of mouse coatings

[wispy blaze]

yeah overly dry hands would make sense for that

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, shit sucks man

[twilit flame]

MangoHE mouse with crunchy switches

[obtuse dove]

GPX 2 and the razer DAV3 pro were the only 2 mice that I was able to grip comfortably.

[wispy blaze]

ironically the gpx coating is absolute ass for me

• i just hate the shape

[obtuse dove]

lol

I like the GPX shape

Symmetrical with a very even hump.

And for Ftip I use the X2 CL and my custom ahh sub 20 gram ftip mouse lol.

[wispy blaze]

it just doesnt work for me

• flat sides are yuck

[obtuse dove]

Still crazy to use sometimes.

[wispy blaze]

cant wait to make stuff like this

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, designing your own stuff is always really cool!

I got a 3D printer so I can print basically anything that I want.

[wispy blaze]

im wanting to get a resin printer

[obtuse dove]

I wanted to get one too, but FDM so far for me has been more than good enough lol

[wispy blaze]

yeah this will be my first one

[proper turret]

anybody tried 240 hz, 360 hz and 500hz before?

actually i dont think its really a difference unless i can maintain around fps around that

whats better for a QD-Oled monitor? Asus Rog $699 or Alienware? $549 both 360hz 1440p but Asus has more protection i heard so i want to know is that protection worth it to avoid burn ins and does that even occur nowadays?

[bitter sapphire]

U can check Monitor Unboxed on youtube and rtings.com

[proper turret]

yeah i did and the guy actually compared them both but not side by side which was dumb but the only advantage i see the asus have is protection that stops burn ins such as stuff like anti dim and etc

i never owned a oled so i dont know if burn ins are rare or something thats common nowadays

[bitter sapphire]

Its not that common now

[proper turret]

ok thanks

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhUQ_zK7mdI

[abstract warren]

Where’s my $800 MK4s

[round lagoon]

maybe you have to wait until mark 5 exist

[terse ferry]

1900 grams thats light

[round lagoon]

SOOOON

Genuinely could be the IEM I get next year

[quasi field]

Hahahaha

[round lagoon]

waow

[mental spade]

Just get that Yu9 Que

[round lagoon]

😭 $400. Reference is like under $300 iirc

[mental spade]

Yeah but you gotta get the one that's hyped right now

[plain schooner]

@abstract warren damn imagine I bought them

[lunar niche]

Looks like an alien organ

[quasi field]

Very ugly imo

The iem landscape is quite boring. Sound in iems is basically a solved phenomenon. 99% of the products have little reason to exist

In better hobbies you could at least say «well it's $800 because it's beautiful, sturdy and well-built and made in (insert favourite country) but for in-ears this is not the case at all

Even $500 earbuds are Chinesium that break easily

High price tags in the audio sphere often mean absolutely nothing. Means nothing for sound quality, nothing for looks, nothing for build, nothing for warranty etc.

It's often just to mislead people into thinking it's an upgrade over their cheaper alternatives

Ultra expensive stuff is quite often worse than the cheaper alternatives by the same brand too

[wispy blaze]

truthear zeros my beloved

dont need anything more

[abstract warren]

Don’t let the headphone supremacists get you down king 🎶

If I get the MK4s I’d get the red and purple one that looked pretty sick

[terse ferry]

Is it Hexa 2.0?

[violet jewel]

hmm

[wet coral]

on shop?

[violet jewel]

yup

linsoul sale rn

go br

[wet coral]

yeah

[abstract warren]

They’re gud

[wet coral]

waiting for amazon sale

[violet jewel]

i dont mind shop

[violet jewel]

how would u compare them to aethers

[wet coral]

idk the return policy for kiwiears

or warranty actually

@abstract warren

[violet jewel]

was gonna get orchestra lites cause pretty but heard they’re unvented

so meh

[abstract warren]

I’ve only tried: Yanyin Canon 2s, Xenns Top, FiiO FA19s, Astrals and Xenns Top Pros

[violet jewel]

ah

yeah i was thinking about just shooting the gun on astrals

[abstract warren]

I’d squig graph the two to see where they differ, but astrals were the cheapest I’ve tried and punch above their price point

[violet jewel]

heard lots of good stuff on em

[abstract warren]

Like I’d say they are closer to a $350-400 set than the Yanyin Canon 2s for example

Which were $350

[violet jewel]

44$ off is a good deal to me

[abstract warren]

Astrals have a similar tuning to Xenns Top Pro which are my dailies rn

But overall I was really impressed by them

[abstract warren]

Yeah they’re a steal at $250

[abstract warren]

I think there’s orchestra lite 2s rn

[round lagoon]

Nah, different

[round lagoon]

Like $350 but still unvented lmao. But now has 10 BA instead of 8

[abstract warren]

I think the FA19s had 10 BAs, not sure I liked that

[terse ferry]

Isint flat mean neutral

[round lagoon]

not exactly 'flat', it just have tuning where I want the line to be

like it has more mids, and less treble than the hexa. Also completely different price point lmao

[steep sundial]

Hey guys I have a mouse pad from logitech it is not a glass or cloth one its hard and works really well just a question about what it is bc I want to look at a new one

Any feedback would be good

[hollow solstice]

its probably a cloth mousepad with a rubber base

maybe

[steep sundial]

Na the top is a hard

Its the g440 hard mouse pad

[hollow solstice]

oh yeah

i have one

its technically a cloth pad still just at that it has that rubber base so it makes the surface hard

i switched off it because it felt too scratchy to me

[steep sundial]

Oh cloth really the top is hard and waterproof

Tbf I have not had a problem with mine at all

[hollow solstice]

you dont have a problem with the size?

You can get a G640

which is it has that same rubber base

but its just bigger

[steep sundial]

Na the size is perfect it says its a polymer top

[quasi field]

Kind of. There are different kinds of flat and some are good some are bad. Music being perceived as flat at your eardrum is good, but to achieve this it cannot measure flat, it needs boost in bass and mids/treble

A target like the Harman OE target is probably the flattest sounding target for most people

[hollow solstice]

polyethylene

[round lagoon]

flat justice

[steep sundial]

Ye I got it chatgpt for the win

[hollow solstice]

its plastic

[proper vector]

Bro hallucinated himself an answer

[hollow solstice]

i was thinkinhg of the G640 mb

[deep hawk]

Just like a proper tech CEO

[quasi field]

Flat output is ideal in loudspeakers but only if you live in an anechoic chamber. In a more typical room a downward tilting response might be better since reflections will increase the amplitude. A flat speaker such as the Neumann KH 120 II at far-field listening in an untreated room might sound bright due to this

[steep sundial]

Ye bc i a trying to look for the same material but with a design on the top yk

[gleaming axle]

hello guys can yall help me choose a mouse to buy lamzu maya x or razer viper v3 pro

[quasi field]

https://tenor.com/view/kumiko-oumae-hibike-euphonium-hibike-euphonium-gif-26492718

[proper vector]

like desert
may be flat, but still hot

[bitter sapphire]

Ah yes one of the biggest Yuri bait anime

[abstract warren]

Both are good, main differences will be that the Maya x will be lighter (by about 10g or so) and has web software support vs viper is a little heavier and your best bet is the synapse beta (improved from the other synapse slop versions, but still not as light weight as web softwares)

[bitter sapphire]

LMAO

[crude talon]

razer iphone case?

[lunar niche]

USPS would never do this to me. Gonna make the dog yell so loud.

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGrRU3lKtKE

One thing I realized is that I dislike sub bass

prop why I like hd490 soo much with the mixing pad which has a drop off near the sub bass.

[lunar niche]

You should check out the HD600 then, no sub bass 🙂

I'm looking forward to trying them, but especially w/ the prod pad for the add'l bass response

[round lagoon]

soon I'll demo it

[abstract warren]

Time to become unpatriotic

[lunar niche]

It's Amazon's private shipping goon squad that shows up in unmarked vans like common criminals.

[abstract warren]

There are nice people in those vans, unlike UPS/Fedex

I guess also DHL too

[lunar niche]

Not a serious attack on the people, they all seem fine. Just kinda wigs me out when a white van rolls up.

[abstract warren]

They’re usually looking like they want to get run over

[abstract warren]

This isn’t the 1970s anymore

Nobody is going to abduct you and drill into your leg hair

[lunar niche]

No respect. No respect at all.

[abstract warren]

I’m right and you’re old enough to know that I am

[lunar niche]

I'd argue the point but it sounds like my Ovaltine just got finished heating up, so I gotta go tend to that

[patent siren]

The FedEx, UPS, USPS, and Amazon people are all really nice here.
Chewy are by far the nicest though.

[abstract warren]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-deflect-dbz-gif-27120532

[patent siren]

Oh and uhhh, what's the one that they use for tires... I always forget, tirerack uses them.

[lunar niche]

Chewy for me is Fedex, and for a while there they were leaving my 50lb deliveries at the bottom/end of my steep and long driveway which was not appreciated.

Otherwise delivery people are generally saints.

[patent siren]

Chewy in my area is a little panel minivan with a Chewy person driving.

and they're SUPER nice

OnTrack... that's who TireRack uses in my area

they're fine too, but I've never talked to them so don't know how nice they are

[rain turret]

Only had nice delivery dudes and girls, and i have lived in several locations in my country and have ordered numerous packages by now, sincerely not a single disappointing or even mildly bad experience.
At least 7-9 delivery services.

We have two girls recently on DPD and GLS, they are always lovely and smiling.

DHL/Hungarian post dudes are chads, always chill.

[lunar niche]

obligatory Igor

[patent siren]

My USPS mail carrier was putting stuff in the wrong box. I kept getting my neighbor's mail and the mail for 2 streets over a few times, and my neighbor kept getting my mail. I had bills go missing and stuff.

So I put a marker in my mailbox with my address and name in huge letters all along the inside and the lid, so you couldn't possibly miss it.

It kept happening. So I talked to her, pointed it out, and she just looked at me like I was a dumb dog or something.

So I hand-delivered a written complaint to the postmaster of my post office, along with a list of mis-delivered mail over the last 6 months, including a registered mail item LOL. My neighbor also wrote a letter to the postmaster.

We got a new mail carrier a week later, and she's super nice. Haven't had misdeliverd mail since.

I have no idea how you mess up "12345 ABC mail goes in 12345 ABC box"

[lunar niche]

Some folks just aren't cut out for jobs that involve accuracy/responsibility.

[rain turret]

Seems like the case of
idgaf b1tch

[lunar niche]

Glad they got it sorted out

[rain turret]

But glad to hear it's happy ending after all that

[patent siren]

yeah

[lunar niche]

I'm gonna be asleep, please just do it in the morning T_T

[silver topaz]

1st of the 9 lian li fans I ordered came today. Damn nice fans but good lord they're pricey

[frigid ivy]

490 pros?

[lunar niche]

Yeah, trying 'em out now.

[frigid ivy]

Nice, what are upgrading from?

[lunar niche]

Not sure if it's an upgrade, I'm more of a... collector. I love the HD600s, and these are similar but different.

Does have a wider soundstage, and the lows are fairly significantly more emphasized than the 600s

[frigid ivy]

Have you tried both sets of pads?

Yeah people say it's like an hd650 and hd800s had a baby with more sub bass

[lunar niche]

Yeah tried them both out - surprisingly different sounding, and also very different feeling. I'll give them both some exercise over the coming weeks.

[lunar niche]

Seems about right. With EQ I love the 800S, but I do not like how loosely they fit on the head. This without EQ is fairly reasonable, and the fit is very similar to the HD600 (which I find perfect)

[frigid ivy]

Is the heddphone d1 on your radar?

[lunar niche]

Haven't heard of them, but I haven't been paying much attention for a while

You like 'em?

[frigid ivy]

They are backorder everywhere

[lunar niche]

For the best 😀

[graceful lagoon]

friends are flamingmy monitor setup, so what do i upgrade to, thanks

[patent siren]

well, you could do a 1440p but you'd be losing overall size unless you did 1440p with a vertical 1080p off to one side for utility but not second-screen gaming

[graceful lagoon]

what i was told is my monitor is a massive bottleneck

[patent siren]

or you could do 4k but the 5090 might not push every title the way you'd want at 4k, depending on your framerate goals

Also, you'd end up with a 32" 4k if you wanted to keep useable screen space. The smaller 4ks are really tiny compared to two 1080p

another alternative is a 3440x1440 which would give you a lot of the same feel of two 1080p

But then you run into issues with some games not liking ultrwides

(or letterboxing)

I wouldn't say that your monitor is holding you back.

I'd say that you over-purchased on GPU for your monitor setup 😛

[graceful lagoon]

what do you think of 2 samsung oled g6's, my friend is saying to get the asus 2k 27" oled but someone else i know said he had burn in

[patent siren]

I'm currently using an Asus ROG Swift 32" 4k OLED and I've been religious about pixel cleaning.

Haven't had any burn-in issues so far.

[graceful lagoon]

idunno, i just want the monitor shaming to end lmaoo

[patent siren]

Spending money on hardware because friends shame you seems unwise.

[graceful lagoon]

to be fair tho, i might as well if its witholding performance

[wispy blaze]

Yes completely

[patent siren]

What titles do you play?
What graphics settings do you play at?
What latency/frame times do you desire?
And how much physical screen size do you need?
oh and do you intend to use RT or path tracing?

[graceful lagoon]

that 60hz on the 2nd monitor is starting to show its age

[wispy blaze]

What games do you mainly play?

If your a val main you could easily do 480@1440 oled with that system

[graceful lagoon]

i play pretty much everything. rn arc raiders, probs gonna pick a 1440p oled monitor. just wanna kno what you guys think is the best one. pref 27"

fps wise usually i aim for like 180-240

[patent siren]

the Asus Swift stuff are really n ice

and for your desired fps 1440p is a good choice

[wispy blaze]

I run g61sd, 240@1440 27 inch

[wide zinc]

i mean you seem to have the money with that 5090. grab the new ASUS PG27AQWP-W

[wispy blaze]

Got a good deal on it

[patent siren]

Agreed with this.

Also, you could put the 144 Hz 1080p as a vertical mount to right or left for windows scroll utility

(not for gaming display, but for websites, documents, etc)

[wispy blaze]

I use my 165hz as a horizontal second

And some random old 60hz for vertical

[graceful lagoon]

aight ill check those out, tyvm

[patent siren]

I went a little overboard on the monitor.

also it's funny that I have nvme, ssd, and 2 data platter HDDs, and it shows the HDD second

[graceful lagoon]

i have 1 4tb nvme that i partitioned

originally i was looking at doing pbp with a 49inch, but then realised that the fps would get capped

[wide zinc]

60hz??

[patent siren]

that's how it reports

it's not 60 Hz

it's g-sync / freesync

[graceful lagoon]

sometimes nvidia app will only recognise the base refresh of a monitor

[patent siren]

correct

it's 240 Hz max

active signal mode is at 240.02 Hz at the moment

[wide zinc]

lol had to make sure, some people dont know that they need to set it higher

[patent siren]

and yes my 9800X3D is at +200 MHz and - 20 mV all-core and yes, I enabled EXPO for my RAM, and no I didn't populate all 4 DIMM slots, and yes I kept my PCIE Gen 5 lanes at 16x for the GPU and didn't spit them with an nvme.

LOL

I haven't really tweaked primary or secondary timigns on RAM though, can't be bothered

[obtuse dove]

I am tempted to OC my RAM and CPU core clocks on my 9950X3D

[graceful lagoon]

i put my 5090 on the 2nd pcie slot because im a madman

[patent siren]

my RAM is 6000 MT/s and CL30

[rain turret]

What motherboard do you have if i may ask?

[obtuse dove]

I do still have my 8000MT/s DDR5 from when I had my 14900K

[graceful lagoon]

i use 2 real ram and 2 fake ram for rbg purposes

[obtuse dove]

Asus ROG Strix X870E

[graceful lagoon]

ayeee same, specifically x870e-e

[obtuse dove]

Mine is still at stock clock speeds at the max 5600MT/s

No change to V/F curve

[rain turret]

this one right? if you can check the SKU number

[obtuse dove]

It does have 6000MT/s CL26 in it but it's ran at 5600MT/s

[obtuse dove]

Yes

[rain turret]

Gotcha

[patent siren]

I have that board

[obtuse dove]

It's a good mobo

[rain turret]

Looking forward to your post OC results :)

[obtuse dove]

I was able to get pretty far with the 14900K, but I heard you can't go as crazy with memory on AMD.

[patent siren]

unsure of exact SKU

[rain turret]

You can, just not to have significant dailyable benefits

And even for benching, Intel pulled ahead again

[patent siren]

not touching intel for a good long while

[rain turret]

But that does't mean some impressive numbers can't be achieved

[patent siren]

13th gen failed me personally, 14th gen failed to correct issues, next iteration underwhelmed
9800X3D GOATed

[graceful lagoon]

pretty sure its this one

[obtuse dove]

My 14th gen intel is amazing when it works, but the issue is that it doesn't like to work. LMAO

[rain turret]

Actually no sorry, i don't know for a fact how Intel stands regarding memory OC (although pretty sure their IMC are still more capable), i was thinking about the GPU benchmarks on the leaderboard using Intel CPUs again for the highest scores.

[obtuse dove]

Generally Intel CPUs are able to have higher stable OCs and they benefit a lot more from memory OC than AMD CPUs.

[rain turret]

Either way, you CAN DO, just needs a WILL.

Yes, especially due to the cache we have on the X3D CPUs, but if you are a number chaser don't let that be a problem, there is still gains to be had.

[patent siren]

9800X3D is still where it's at for gaming, it's just so much smoother

[rain turret]

Perspective dependent

[obtuse dove]

True, but I do need my computer to work LMAO

[graceful lagoon]

yea thats why i got a 9950x

[rain turret]

I said that with stability in mind

Daily stable is what that is called, bench stable is the one you can't just run as a daily setting

One is for gaming, the other is for chasing numbers

yours Ducky should technically clock higher/better than shadow's, because in yours the cached CCD is a higher bin (more of a silicon quality winner) and the out of the box clocks are also higher.

[patent siren]

Have not had a single crash with 9800X3D at +200 MHz.
Applications all work great. It just... goes.

[obtuse dove]

I haven't tried to crank memory speeds past 6000MT/s on my 9950X3D, even at 6000MT/s there are still some memory errors that pop up when I run an OCCT memory stress test.

[patent siren]

oh and I did make sure to optimize Fclock and memclock and such

[obtuse dove]

Try to keep those 1:1

[rain turret]

So if your OS can park/assign cores properly, or if you get over the nuance of dual CCD, it should be higher performance for gaming.

[patent siren]

dude you CANNOT do that with 6000 MT/s RAM

not on 9800X3D

[obtuse dove]

True LMAO

[patent siren]

you end up with a 2000/2000/3000/6000

[obtuse dove]

there is a tradeoff that you have to make when going past 5600

That is one of them

[patent siren]

you can't 1:1 at 5600 either, at least not reliably

2300 is really pushing the infinity fabric

and that's only going to get you 4600

uclk=mclk yes you can do that

3000 / 3000

but fclk will NEVER be 3000

you'll be lucky to hit 2300

[obtuse dove]

True lmao

[patent siren]

and yes I'm at geardown so gear 1 (in intel parlance)

[rain turret]

It depends on your IMC quality, realistically all of them should do 6000 MT/s, 6400 MT/s if it's above average lottery winner.

[patent siren]

mine will do 6400 if I want it to.

and I can run uclk/mclk at 3200 if I really want to

And I can get fabric at 2200 also but...

it's actually faster at 2000/3000/3000/6000

[rain turret]

Infinity Fabric at 2133Mhz is quite common, but getting one thats capable of 2200 is a rare find.

So 6600MT/s is like nearly never a go at 1:1

[obtuse dove]

Oh interesting

[patent siren]

I think it's a cache issue or something? I don't know

[obtuse dove]

Could be

[patent siren]

there were some gains in pushing FCLK higher in snythetic benchmarks, but it was not as smooth gaming, and I'd get some stuttering at times

[rain turret]

It requires tuning timings, not just the frequency

[patent siren]

yeah

[rain turret]

primary/secondary and tertiary

[patent siren]

and I can't be fucking bothered to do secondary timings 😛

[rain turret]

otherwise yes, you end up with worse total mem bandwidth

[patent siren]

6000 CL30 is great for me

[rain turret]

if you are just casually OCing memory, 6000 or 6400 MT/s kit, plug and play, set and forget

[patent siren]

yup

6000 MT/s CL30, 1T, uclk=mclk=3000, fclk=2000, +200 MHz all-core, -20 mV all-core
I think a couple of tweaks with nitro mode and allowing more memory training

[rain turret]

it's work and a hobby in itself, if you don't enjoy it then theres hardly ever gonna be a scenario where you do it, you will also not see what can be gained, because you don't touch it.

Sometimes OC friends tune one kit for 4 days, i'M not sure when i will have that time to dedicate myself ^^

[patent siren]

the issues is the stability

[rain turret]

But considering the goal, the effort and knowledge that goes into it and the limits they are pushing, i respect and always happily watch the progress.

[obtuse dove]

Idk, the memory errors in OCCT slightly concerns me when I bumped mine to 6000MT/s

[patent siren]

the time spent getting it totally stable and optimized for everything, it's possibly weeks of work

my memory kit was binned at 6000 MT/s

so didn't need to worry about that at all

[rain turret]

Completely fair, i can't diagnose your specific issue from this distance.
My DDR5 knowledge is rather rusty, it would take a few hours and me asking some knowledgable friends a few questions.
Realistically it should do that frequency on XMP/DOCP no problem, it's quite standard today.

[rain turret]

well this is knowledge dependent, you would be fully new to it, so considerable amount of time

[obtuse dove]

It's not a crazy amount of errors though, it's like about 5-6 errors across the span of a whole weekend.

Although at 5600MT/s there are no errors across the span of 2 days

[rain turret]

Shouldn't error at all, that's indication of actual issue. But OCCT is a great tool, i got to meet the creator and we see live updates about any of the new builds he makes.
Powerful tool for combined testing.
But i also recommend tm5 and Karhu for strictly memory (not now when OCCT already errors, but when you eventually OC and wanna make sure about stability), if all 3 can pass, rock solid.

[obtuse dove]

Yeah

[patent siren]

I mean, if you really cared about error you'd be on an ECC board and such.

Alsol, NVIDIA, wtf.
4090 FE had ECC GDDR on it, and you could toggle that.
5090 FE does not.

but 5090 FE has the magical AI workload 32 GB

and 4090 FE does not.

[rain turret]

Well no, i mean theres absolutely no reason for memory errors at that setting. That's indicative of bad settings or lower silicon quality/worse than average IMC

[jolly pulsar]

You get errors?

Also what about 5800

[patent siren]

it might not be a memory controller issue

it could just be the RAM itself

[jolly pulsar]

There's plenty of IMCs that can't actually do 6000 stable

[rain turret]

Yes

[patent siren]

depends entirely on what the RAM was binned for

[jolly pulsar]

if the ram is rated for 6000cl30 its rated for 6000cl30

[patent siren]

But it's true that there are some IMCs that can't handle 6000

[jolly pulsar]

Its the imc

Or the ram is possibly defective

[patent siren]

missed that part, wasn't aware

[obtuse dove]

Haven't tried 5800 yet

[jolly pulsar]

But impossible to tell without another system

[rain turret]

Also no, there are green sticks that OC friends order from china which are binned for 5600, but they can realistically and stably do much higher (meaning at the minimum the laughable 6000 MT/s).

But yes, could be a problem with the kit, the errors that is.

[jolly pulsar]

yes but again if be bought a 6000cl30 kit it should do 6000cl30 if it doesn't it's either the imc or the ram kit being somehow defective but im leaning towards imc

Can probably do 5800 fine but not 6000

[obtuse dove]

I got 6000cl26

[rain turret]

Thats exactly what i was pointing out

You can troubleshoot as described above

set XMP/DOCP, but then manually dial back 200MHz

do it in steps until errorless

[obtuse dove]

I could, but 5600 has been fine so far.

[rain turret]

so you will see where it's stable

try 5800 then as suggested

Atleast you make up for some of the loss

[jolly pulsar]

Tbh not that big of a difference

Esp not on an x3d chip

[obtuse dove]

Yeah it really isn't

It's plenty fast for what I do on my computer

[jolly pulsar]

you could turn off expo on mine and i would never notice

At 5120x1440 w a 7800x3d and a 7900xtx i ain't exactly maxing out my cpu

[patent siren]

yeah 7800x3d is super solid

[rain turret]

By that logic, no amount of difference will be "big", we are justifying cutting back lower on the low.
This is more for the overally mentality, it's not to say that hey, if you lose this specific 200MHz you will know for sure.
It is really not a good mentality to have however, especially when you are not getting what you paid for.

[patent siren]

like ... you'd have to do something like a 5090 at 1080p to bottleneck the CPU LOL

[obtuse dove]

I have maxed out my cpu a few times, not in games though, but with the work I do

[patent siren]

(talking gaming only, yes with production workloads, you can crush any cpu)

[jolly pulsar]

What cpu are you using agaib?

[obtuse dove]

9950X3D

[patent siren]

This is my take. If you paid for 6000 CL26 or 6000 CL30 then it should run that stable.

The issue is that not all kits binned for that actually do it at 1T.

[jolly pulsar]

Fancy

[patent siren]

Some of them want 2T

[obtuse dove]

Yeah, the weird one that is half X3D and half regular LMAO

[patent siren]

nothing aggressive in my timings

just stable 1T

[rain turret]

That is the exact bare minimum here i'm trying to tell you it should be (not you you, but in general).

[patent siren]

I guess the tREFI is "aggressive"

[patent siren]

agreed, if I bought a kit that couldn't do that from g.skill, corsair, or kingston, I'd be RMAing it and asking for a swap

because all 3 of those brands are pretty good about that

teamgroup too

[rain turret]

Thats why i think the justification of "ohh it's no big diff" is misplaced in the situation. Atleast get what you paid for, or if you can't, the closest to it.

[patent siren]

yeah

agreed

Now, if your 6000 CL30 kit can't do 6400, and only runs 6000 stable, that's where I agree with "it's good enough"

[rain turret]

Sadly there are cases where the XMP/DOCP will simply not work either (despite QVL and every odds)

But then you set the same timings, frequency, IF manually and it magically works

Or you dial back something mildly and it's rock stable.

But then you could also return it, showing the middle finger (sadly to the seller who is hardly responsible, but atleast in theory to the manufacturer), so you probably get a kit that plugs and plays and all is happy.

Or the money back, to spend on another.

[patent siren]

I bought my current Kingston RAM directly from Kingston, oddly enough.

[rain turret]

ohh?

[patent siren]

yeah they actually do direct sales

(retail)

[rain turret]

Nice, never actually checked

Fury Renegade kit?

[patent siren]

yeah it was just a fury kit

[rain turret]

i see

[patent siren]

like, I bought the budget tier 6000 CL30 and it's great hahah