🌐│pc_gear

[quasi field]

The treble is very smooth with no sharp peaks or dips

[lunar niche]

That is impressive looking

[quasi field]

They sound very consistent on the head. Moving it around brings minimal change to sound. This is probably because the earpads are very airy, it partially feels openback

[lunar niche]

bit of a dig at 3k but IMO worse to spike there anyway

dip*

[quasi field]

It's very easy to fix with EQ since it's wide and not a sharp resonance or cancellation

The Logitech Astro app has built-in PEQ that saves to the headset

So it's set and forget. 10 bands too

[lunar niche]

That's just tracing the dotted line 😆

[quasi field]

Yeah it's smooth enough to be possible which is nice. Though of course getting it this perfect will realistically not translate to different ears from this rig

They weigh 316 gram which I think is quite good

[lunar niche]

Wireless is kinda lost on me though, and I have a mic on a boom arm

so some amount of paying for features I don't need

[quasi field]

That's fine

I don't want a separate mic so this is the ideal solution for me

I only use them when I VC, otherwise I use my speakers

They have lower distortion than the Audeze Maxwell too despite being dynamic drivers instead of planar

Microphone sounds better than the Maxwell one

I think the Astro is easily better than Maxwell and I think Maxwell would be recommended less if the Gen5 wasn't comparatively obscure to people

The Astro has the disadvantage of coming from a gamer oriented brand so people will assume it has to suck because of that unlike the Audeze

(I think the Audeze is great but this even better. And the Audeze is uncomfortably heavy)

Will always always recommend Astro over Audeze

[lunar niche]

It's nice to see gamers get some nice audio quality finally between this and Maxwell

[quasi field]

It is

I think one of the mistakes gaming headset companies do is tuning headphones for footsteps and such. That makes them sound terrible

They should be tuned to sound good. Footstep tuning is best suited as an EQ preset/setting like the Astros can do

[lunar niche]

That is neat being able to store (presumably multiple?) EQ on the headset itself

To your point, 1 for gaming and 1 for music at least. Maybe 1 for really jamming out.

[quasi field]

I only use 1 preset

I don't play competitive games and have no need of a footstep tuning. I just make the best sounding preset for accurate audio and stick to it

The headphones sound extremely similar to my calibrated monitors which means I've achieved it

[lunar niche]

If I do any adjustments it's mainly to bring the bass down a bit when gaming since it's just a lot all the time

I'm also not a pro gamer (THOUGH I TOTALLY COULD BE OFC)

[silver topaz]

I still have a old gen 1 astro, I willa admit that one did kind of sucked haha

[quasi field]

I think I had the Gen 3 or something in 2017. Didn't like it

[quasi field]

I find bass very important for immersiveness in single player games at least

I want grenades or spells to feel impactful

[round lagoon]

Hmm, the 7hz x crin divine should be released now

Comparing the graph with zero 2, i think I'll like it

The hangout squig seems to be down

[quasi field]

Your new monthly purchase just dropped, sir

[round lagoon]

Nah, that's next jan. I wanna buy new clothes and dc flux this month

Need more opinion on the iem first

Haven't tried any planar before, would be nice to demo it first

[quasi field]

Buy this

[round lagoon]

I'll die listening to it

[quasi field]

How is it possible to make something this bad

[glossy shale]

casual consumers think treble equals good sound quality

"oh yea its so bright!"

[quasi field]

It's incredible to me how almost every frequency of this headphone is undersirable. I think the least offensive part is the subbass which is quite flat although elevated, but then it sharply falls off only to quickly climb up by a little over 10 dB bringing with it heavy bass bloat, then it falls down towards 350 Hz where it suddenly shoots up again (and much more in the right channel than left with a 2-3 dB channel imbalance there), to then begin a deep deep descent with some of the most sucked-out mids I've ever seen only to at 3k immediately shoot up with a jump of an incredible 18 db to then shoot quickly back down by around 10 and then back up again

It's like an April's fools joke

A tonality fit for no one's HRTF

[patent patrol]

https://x.com/vaxee_corp/status/1988184937405505650?s=46

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for yall w*red mouse users

[rigid dagger]

gang I just copped a CR-005

[round lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K1S0V6v5R4

seems like the iem is there to make new planar and reduces the 'planar zing'.

Divine really seems like an upgrade to zero 2. Measured soo similarly at the mids and the treble.

just less bass, which I like.

[quasi field]

Wtf is planar zing

[patent patrol]

zinnggggg

[round lagoon]

my brain half working rn, can't really understand everything crin say

I guess the part of excessive treble being reduced to make it different from the rest of planar iem

[quasi field]

I don't believe in driver exclusive timbre

I believe in tuning trends in drivers because it is easier to arrive on it based on the design. Planars often have many more low level resonances. Usually have better extended bass but with a less overall amount in the 100 to 300 range than how many dynamic drivers are tuned etc.

[round lagoon]

if that's the oof, its as if they don't need to make a new driver at all and just tune the old driver to be good.

[lunar niche]

I still gotta try some planars. That an electrostatics I've never tried (though unlikely I'll ever get to try the latter 🙂 )

[quasi field]

Drivers different and especially in implementation of it but there's no evidence of driver types (dynamic, planar, electrostatic etc.) having some inherent tonal quality

People commonly say things like «planars are faster than dynamic drivers» among others which are misconceptions

[lunar niche]

Well, they should be faster cause of physics, right?

Lag of the magnet and inertia and all that

[quasi field]

What the driver is doesn't really matter beyond how the headphone performs in the end

[quasi field]

Faster will just mean it can play higher frequencies

[lunar niche]

Hmm, I always thought faster meant quicker to respond to changes in frequency.

As with all things in audio, the definitions are sometimes elusive and turn meaning into soup

[lunar niche]

I do take Oratory1990 to have more weight than ThiccusDiccus420 🙂

[quasi field]

Oratory is great

[lunar niche]

Well TIL then

[quasi field]

To make a specific frequency, a driver has to move at a specific exact speed

If it somehow moves too slow it'll be playing a lower frequency. Faster and it'll be playing a higher frequency than intended

This doesn't really happen of course because all the headphones you typically see have no issue playing up to 20 kHz

Headphones with a lot of speed will be the ones that can play at much much higher frequencies since to make those higher frequencies the higher speed is needed

[white jackal]

what about stopping speed/frequency change

[lunar niche]

But by that definition, isn't speed just then analogous to accuracy?

i.e. how well it can reproduce a frequency at an amplitude?

[quasi field]

https://www.soundstagesolo.com/index.php/features/313-is-it-possible-for-headphones-to-sound-fast-or-slow

Oratory posted this in that thread

[lunar niche]

Or I guess as you're saying, "fast" and "slow" would imply they're inaccurate, trending higher or lower frequency than they should at some given input

[quasi field]

They are continous

[lunar niche]

What do you mean by that?

(reading the post)

But I was able to find a factory-fresh set of Hesh headphones, still in the blister pack, on eBay. Even better, they had New York Knicks logos and were finished in the team’s blue and orange colors—exactly what you’d wear if you wanted to look obnoxiously ironic at a CanJam show
😆

[quasi field]

The driver doesn't stop moving, it's continously moving (unless there's no signal playing or unless the signal isn't continous)
Going from frequency to frequency either happens correctly (the headphone is working) or not (the headphone is faulty)

[quasi field]

Trying and failing to explain it well

I wish Oratory were here...

[lunar niche]

All good lemme read and we can discuss 🙂

[round lagoon]

hmm, from all the word it seems like the TLDR is to just buy audio stuff that's built well, comfortable, and sounds good to you. Rather than focusing on driver and such.

[lunar niche]

Honestly while I appreciate the writeup and examination, in the end I think this is a bit of a case of pedantry

[quasi field]

Here's Dr. Floyd Toole talking about the concept of woofer speed for example:

A digression here about the “speed” of woofers. I keep on hearing stories that small woofers are “faster” than big ones. Well, there is truth in the argument if you consider the highest frequencies they are capable of reproducing. However, if we are crossing them over at 80 Hz, for example, to use them as subwoofers, we have limited that highest frequency to be the same for all. They are then all equally “fast”. Woofers are minimum-phase devices (see Part 2). Their time-domain behavior – speed, punch, drive, pace and rhythm - can be anticipated from their frequency responses. We will soon see that rooms really mess this up and determine what we hear. As for moving mass, we use bigger motors on larger, heavier, diaphragms. It’s a “horsepower thing”.

[lunar niche]

Sure, the immediate response in this case may have not been inline with what people might consider a fast or slow headphone, but the overall picture - that of one that cannot control the freq/amp accurately long after the initial input - does line up with the colloquial definition

We will soon see that rooms really mess this up and determine what we hear
Oh yeah, I know that my room is a fucking nightmare for sound reproduction 😆

[vast bone]

test

[quasi field]

It works the same for headphones

[lunar niche]

Yes str you're doing great

Well sure, but there's far less there for headphones and it's almost entirely in the control of the design

[quasi field]

What people are hearing is not the speed of the woofer or headphone, but it's the frequency response arriving at your eardrum
Due to the different trend of tuning in planar headphones (less bass around 100 to 300 Hz, often more upper treble), they are given the psychoacoustic feeling of being faster

[lunar niche]

Sure, I agree that technically speed is the incorrect term

But I think, or maybe I'm assuming, that folks are agreeing to use that term to mean something similar but not quite the same

[quasi field]

In a similar way to how a subwoofer might sound slow but what you're actually hearing is the bass lingering in the room

[lunar niche]

The ability or inability to control the driver after some input

Which is why I think it might be a case of pedantry, but who knows what's going on between people's ears. It's a nice writeup either way and does make clear that "speed" is a technically poor term for it, but I just don't know if that's what people ever really meant when they used that term in the headphone/speaker space.

[quasi field]

I think what they are hearing (if headphones) is just the tuning. Though I think certain non-objective factors can be at play of course such as expectation bias, price bias etc.

[lunar niche]

But this isn't tuning, right? The initial response is roughly the same, but the difference is that over time they behave completely differently when it comes to bringing the driver back to a neutral state.

[quasi field]

I think they mean it as such. There seems to be a big belief many places that even after EQ a certain driver technology will still inherently be faster within audible band

[lunar niche]

The Hesh still wobbling like a drunk sailor for hundreds of millis after the Peacock after a chirp

[lunar niche]

I think that is correct though?

Like, if you EQ'd down whatever frequency was resonating in the Hesh I imagine it would still resonate, just with less amplitude throughout

And if they performed this way across the entire spectrum, then there's no EQ'ing your way out of the problem (no idea if that's the case or not - I imagine it's worst on the low end)

[quasi field]

Step response is related to frequency response. Improving frequency response by EQing will improve step response. But the details of this are too complex for me, I just see smarter people routinely talk about it

[lunar niche]

I try not to get into the weeds too much with this stuff anymore 🙂

Anyway, I still wanna try planar at some point, though I'm glad you warned me about Audeze's weight!

[quasi field]

LCD-5, MM-100 and MM-500 are lighter than most Audeze headphones but none of them are light enough to be considered light imo

And LCD-5 is just ridiculously expensive

[lunar niche]

I think I could deal with some more weight than my 600s, but like you said, there's a tipping point where it feels like I'm wearing something that doesn't just move effortlessly w/ my head, or just weighs me down

[crude talon]

comparing my sundaras to my old srh440 it’s insane how big a difference a usable headband makes
the srh440s would just dig into my head and I stopped using them because of it 😭

[round lagoon]

https://youtu.be/gjVtmr977BA

1DD+6BA+2 Micro Planar ~$330

[glossy shale]

what is that line was completely flat

[quasi field]

If the line were flat? Then it would sound bad

[lunar niche]

People generally prefer somewhat "v-shaped" audio, emphasizing lows and highs. If you were to EQ up mids you'd probably find it pretty unpleasant and muddy sounding.

[quasi field]

Yeah. Headphones need an increase below and in mids/treble to be perceived as neutral as possible

A common mistake I see people make is assume that flat measuring bass in headphones is neutral/natural but it isn't

From Sean Olive;

I think it is well established that flat bass in a headphone or in-room response of a loudspeaker is NOT neutral. We’ve had trained listeners draw the perceived spectral balance of these targets and they are perceived as not flat.

Flat bass to me sounds underemphasised and boring/not neutral

I need a bass boost for it to sound like my neutral speakers

[lunar niche]

OOC, have you treated your room for your speakers?

I have a truly terrible room for them and have done basically nothing to help - all hard surfaces. I would love to experience a treated room someday.

[quasi field]

No

I just calibrated them to account for room

Dashed line is before calibration

It's impressively flat afterwards. It sounds very good

The speakers measure completely flat anechoically. So the messiness you see in the dashed line is because of my room. But it's tamed now

[patent patrol]

i will never fix my audio issues 😔

[quasi field]

What issues have you?

[patent patrol]

"pop" sounds when starting / stopping audio (sometimes)

[quasi field]

Uh, increase buffer?

[lunar niche]

Could be your amp waking up and not handling that nicely?

[patent patrol]

not even using asio or some

[patent patrol]

it do be happening on all audio devices, so mobo audio and external dac amp

[plain schooner]

@viscid bison https://fxtwitter.com/ModsMouse/status/1988392211441193131

PMM (@ModsMouse)

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[silver topaz]

I'm debating on if 160 dollar increase is worth it for the little screen😭

[wet coral]

hell no

you can get a good vertical screen for that price 😭

[round lagoon]

NO

[silver topaz]

But little 8 bit f1 car🥺

If I could find a founders 5080 I'd get it, but can't find them at all

Holy shit

[lament siren]

waste of money

become amish

pc building is evil

[silver topaz]

@round lagoon @wet coral it's in stock on nvidia... Do I dare order it

[wet coral]

i mean.....

https://tenor.com/view/edp-i-mean-its-all-right-gif-26702511

[wet coral]

personally i wouldnt just cause it uses 12v

[silver topaz]

Which would you go for?

[wet coral]

anything that still has 8pins

[rain turret]

[silver topaz]

I don't think I single 5080 still has 8 pins lol

[wet coral]

yeah

9070xt

[lament siren]

p*ssy

[wet coral]

ok unc

[lament siren]

dare to dance with the 12 pin connector

https://tenor.com/view/srubegast-tribal-fire-dance-gif-22208490

[blissful gust]

What is wrong with you

[silver topaz]

Shiny graphic cards

[rain turret]

there, shiny

[patent siren]

Wtfno

[silver topaz]

Okay what would you all choose for a 5080 then

[vital gorge]

The cheapest with good reviews

[obtuse dove]

5080 is a perfectly fine card, I don't see why not if you're upgrading.

[patent siren]

A 5090 FE

😉

[obtuse dove]

I love my 5090 FE

mainly because it was 2 slot

[patent siren]

Same

[obtuse dove]

I am not getting thick ass GPUs like the ROG Astral

You know you can just, turn off the lighting. ROFL

[patent siren]

There

[obtuse dove]

My friend has the astral 5090 and that thing is the size of my arm

[patent siren]

I don't want to use Open RGB

[obtuse dove]

lol

[patent siren]

So painters tape with electric tape over it

[silver topaz]

I can't justify the 5090 lol

[patent siren]

1440p or above?

[silver topaz]

Pretty sure I could run most things with the 5080 haha, I can't justify the extra 600 dollars when I originally figured I'd spend 1200 or 1400 on one

[patent siren]

That's responsible. I just feel like the 5080 is poorly priced for its performance.

[silver topaz]

Yeah fair enough. With how optimized some games are starting to become im not worried whatsoever with the actual performance, especially when it's a beast of a card itself

[gaunt flax]

hrm hd490 pro 20% off for black friday

[round lagoon]

it's good

[gaunt flax]

question is do I care about the plus pack for the headphone case

[round lagoon]

I mean, unless you want to bring it around you can skip it. Or you can get it separately later

[patent siren]

I want 9100 pro to go on sale this November

[round lagoon]

good luck, memory stuff is getting expensive thanks to AI

[patent siren]

Yeah, AI bubble is ruining everything

[plain schooner]

Damn they’re lucky

[gaunt flax]

oh i didn't realize bose released new qc ultras

[plain schooner]

Means they can buy the FF07

https://xikii.com/products/ff07?

[viscid bison]

i'd be lost without side button but I kinda like the design. Is that your next shell?

I found me some poverty GMK Cosmos but of course Ansi is gone. FML on top of FML for buying Owlab Ti switches - shit is louder than I could've ever imagined

https://swagkeys.com/products/sw-calm-beige-pbt-keycaps-사본?variant=46401525973245

[plain schooner]

No I can’t do fingertip mouses

[proper vector]

[rain turret]

the FE you had an offer for is fine at the price

otherwise ASUS Prime, MSI Ventus or PNY, basically any of the cheapest these three offer (cause you can just flash higher SKU BIOS to get the better performance)

[patent patrol]

https://resource.logitechg.com/w_544,h_466,ar_7:6,c_pad,q_auto,f_auto,dpr_2.0/d_transparent.gif/content/dam/gaming/en/products/pro-x-superlight-2/cyan-2025/gallery/pro-x-superlight-2-cyan-top-angle-gallery-1.png

yooo

but not available in the EU atm :/

[hazy fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[abstract warren]

Probably for the best, just needs raed clicks for it to be useable

[patent patrol]

raeds in da mouse

that would be crazy

[hazy fiber]

I doubt

[abstract warren]

They would be crazy, crazy bad hehe

Looser clicks than the worst finalmouse batch 🔥

[patent patrol]

best keyboard switches ngl

[abstract warren]

If you don’t use them your basicly wearing 🧢

[crude talon]

yayy

boutta burn this badboy in 🤯

[bitter ore]

das heat

[crude talon]

minor upgrade from the 60hz tn

[round lagoon]

Obligitory "120hz is all you need".

[crude talon]

human eye can only see 23.976hz anyway

[plain schooner]

Unless you’re me and can tell the difference between 1hz and 1000hz

[patent siren]

The whole "human eye only sees 23.976 Hz" thing is assuming that your output is always an absolutely perfect 23.976 Hz that has zero deviation ever, and absolutely perfect frame time and frame pacing.

That may be how movie theatres work, but that's not how computers work.

[crude talon]

I’m the guy that bought the monitor bucko
bait used to be believable

[patent siren]

I'm just saying that it's not bait to have g-sync / free-sync and a video card that's delivering consistent frames.

[mild flint]

what's the actual difference between he switches? for example what's the difference between the gateron jade he and the geonworks raptor he?

[abstract warren]

Usually Travel distance (not sure the difference off the top), stem wobble stability (raptor v2 is currently the best combined wobble) and the new raptors are more quiet than jades

[mild flint]

i see, thank you very much

as of right now which is the best? performance wise

[abstract warren]

The main two are usually stability and sound

[abstract warren]

Performance is the same across all switches, but I’d go for more stable switch options

[mild flint]

oh wow this is very helpful

thank you 🙏

[abstract warren]

Feel free to pop over to mod chat if you have other questions

[lunar niche]

It's also just a myth. If the human eye only perceived ~24hz and all that matters is pacing, then 60hz TV shows/movies, or the "smoothing" tech that a lot of TVs have would be entirely imperceptible, which is just not the case.

[patent siren]

yeah

[lunar niche]

I feel like it was something someone spat out 20 years ago and it sounded legit and folks have just been parroting it ever since 🙂

[patent siren]

Humans are really good at seeing inconsistency in motion.

[lunar niche]

It does seem like some folks are less affected by it, or just don't mind the difference, but it's definitely not some broad biological flaw 🙂

[patent siren]

The old sketchbook flip pencil drawing animation or any stop-motion film can be perceived as "very smooth" by humans who absolutely do see every frame.

And if even ONE page flip or frame time is off by even a tiny amount, humans willi react adversely to it and say that it's ugly. (subconsciously, in many cases, noticing the frame pacing being off)

Some folks are more sensitive to it than others. This is true with animals as well.

[crude talon]

it's not the highest we can percieve, it's basically the lowest framerate where people still think it looks like fluid motion, film is expensive

[graceful hare]

I have the vxe r1 pro max, would changing it for any other mouse be of benefit for cs2?

[patent siren]

I have three cats. Two of them give absolutely zero shits about the TV image or the PC monitor image.
One of them can't stop staring at the TV and reacting to it.

[rain turret]

Could be, if any of the particular MCU and Sensor upgrades would improve your use case.
But they only updated F1/X1/A9 line with them recently and released a small hand Claw grip mouse with it.

[patent siren]

But that's not true either, as above, stop-motion, where we can easily perceive every frame, can still be well-received if it's done at the right frame pacing.

[crude talon]

stop motion can still look good without looking like natural and fluid motion, 24 isn't exactly the bottom limit, it was just picked as a standard at some point a really long time ago

[patent siren]

If this guy could mechanically flip every page by hand with perfect consistency, we'd call it smooth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtNfKxgl0BU

But he doesn't, so it looks bad.

or it looks "imperfect"

[lunar niche]

Another facet that is only applicable to interactive mediums is the lag between seeing some update on the screen and the ability for the user/player to input something in response (and have that response processed)

[patent siren]

24 Hz was picked as a standard is the right answer

Everyone then took that standard as the acceptable, but then tried to rebrand it as "the upper limit of perception"

[lunar niche]

I dunno who is to blame, but it's not as though this has been a secret for a long time. 60hz gaming was the gold standard back in the day for a reason (before >60hz displays were on the market)

[patent siren]

.,,,

60 Hz came from CRTs

which came from electricity 😛

[lunar niche]

Not sure... what you're saying exactly 🙂

[crude talon]

I have never actually seen anyone seriously say that 24 is the upper limit, must be some fossil

[patent siren]

if the universall wall current had been 40 Hz, then we'd have had 40 Hz and 80 Hz monitors as "the standard"

[lunar niche]

Sure displays were capable of displaying higher framerates

[patent siren]

but because most electricity is generated at 60 Hz, we had multiples thereof for CRTs

so 60 Hz was only the "gold standard" because again, that's what the technology was for CRTs and that got passed forward to LCDs

[lunar niche]

Sure, I think this might be a case of "violent agreement"

[rain turret]

[lunar niche]

I'm not talking about the displays, I'm talking about the game engines

[patent siren]

but 120 Hz CRTs and 180 Hz CRTs were available VERY early on, long before games could do 60.

I'm just saying that game engines were 60 because 60 was matching existing tech.

not because 60 was necessarily good

[lunar niche]

Unless I memory holed the 80's, 90's and 00's, this is definitely not historically accurate. At least not in broad terms.

[patent siren]

There were also some weirdass 90 Hz CRTs

[patent siren]

it depended on what resolution you used

there was some weird shit with CRTs

especially in the later years of CRTs

[lunar niche]

Sure, there's always outliers

But I'd bet a cool hundo that 99.9% of displays before the late oughts were 60hz or less.

[patent siren]

60, 75, 78, 85, 90 (often 91 which was weird), 120 (often 121 which was weird) Hz all existed

and then there were multiples of those

[lunar niche]

Multiples of the base frequency

[patent siren]

I think there were some oddball 155 Hz too

yeah

but the base frequency would get shifted with resolution

640x480 60Hz 800x600 75Hz for example

[lunar niche]

Sure, that's just a tech limitation

[rain turret]

My CRT could do 75Hz aswell, and only figured that out more than half into it's lifetime.
That was possibly my first screen and before the millenium hit.

[lunar niche]

Excuse you, the Willenium ™

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-dance-gif-8115093

[rain turret]

i'm not sure what that is

[patent siren]

yeah it was highly dependent on resolution

But the point is, most PC media of the early years was 640 x 480 @ 60 Hz, which is where the "gold standard" for gpu framerate and graphics engines came from.

[rain turret]

pretty sure this was at 800x600

[lunar niche]

Sure, my point was just that we were striving to hit >24hz decades ago for a reason.

[patent siren]

that could have been 60, 75, or 85 Hz for 800x600, depending on the type of CRT

[rain turret]

Sounds right, i know i saw higher than my 75Hz at this resolution when i went over to friends

[patent siren]

People today that use "60 fps" as the minimum acceptable for game play are comically just latching on to a 1970s refresh rate.

[lunar niche]

Sorry for the left turn, but 😯
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamcontroller

[rain turret]

Let them cope, it's stupid, but let them

[lunar niche]

Still have my OG steam controller nearby 🙂

[patent siren]

I still have one too.

wait, mine's different

[lunar niche]

There was only one before - unless you're counting the Steam Deck

Took AA's and had circular pads for mouse control

[patent siren]

This guy.

[lunar niche]

Yup!

Ooh, also a fellow Steam Link enjoyer ❤️

[patent siren]

I need to dust...

[lunar niche]

Ha, mine is almost certainly in a similar state

[proper vector]

#🔌│tech

[lunar niche]

Too many channels

[patent siren]

Steam link is PCgear? Or tech? Am now confused!

[plucky cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmKrKTwtukE

I still have 2 Steam Controllers

Am I late?

[lunar niche]

Steam Deck is still fully dusted off for me, love it for lightweight games to play in bed/on couch/while travelling

Proton is incredible ✨

[patent siren]

I don't have a deck.

Just link and OG controller

[silver topaz]

I put modded mc on my deck, absolutely amazing

[quasi field]

60 fps looks quite good at very low persistence imo

I'd pick 60 fps with <1 ms persistence over 120 Hz with 8 ms persistence

[proper vector]

I'd pick 60fps with stable frametime any time over 120fps with stutters

[obtuse dove]

if only the Steam Machine had RDNA 4 and not RDNA 3 😭😭😭

if it had RDNA 4 it would have been perfect

chefs kiss

[plucky cedar]

I am not familar can you explain?

[obtuse dove]

that means Steam Machine will be limited to using FSR 3

[plucky cedar]

ooof

[obtuse dove]

unless you modify the drivers to allow for FSR4

[obtuse dove]

yeah, esp since upscaling is required when you hook it up to a 4k TV

[proper vector]

Install proton-ge, pass PROTON_FSR4_RDNA3_UPGRADE=1, done, you have FSR4

[plucky cedar]

Yeah, I am chilling with 1080p TV but I am actually more excited about the controller because at least I can afford that

[quasi field]

Mine could do over 700 Hz at 100 something p

[obtuse dove]

that is a driver modification and is not officially supported, and it can cause issues with driver stability and will not perform as well as RDNA 4 equipped CUs

but it is possible to force FSR4

[proper vector]

It's not a modification at all
Just tells the game to load FSR4 DLL instead, if it doesn't work you can just disable that and done

[plucky cedar]

Your TV bruh the highest refresh I ever had is the monitor I have right now 1440p 165hz

[obtuse dove]

yeah you are right, but it still would have been nicer if Steam Machine used RDNA 4 hardware

[plucky cedar]

What made me wonder though is Proton and Linux Arch not allowing kernel level access...

[proper vector]

Guess it's much cheaper to modify slightly already existing laptop chip, and they have to make it cheap to make people want to buy it

[plucky cedar]

I am not really a Linux guy I just have CachyOS system and I can probably forget running BF6 or BO7 on that

Like I wonder if they have plans for kernel leve Anti-Cheat support

Which seems impossible I guess

I have no idea just wondering...

[obtuse dove]

I guess.

[obtuse dove]

its really up to game devs to support it.

[proper vector]

None
Kernel-level anticheats use Windows kernel stuff to make it work
Would it be possible on Linux? Sure
Would they make it work? Nope - it's not worth it to make it for such small userbase over such diverse range of configurations
There are solutions on Linux that would help it work without kernel-level access, such as eBPF and SELinux
But... yeah

[plucky cedar]

In a world where the Steam Machines sell more than the PS5 🙁

Wishful thinking...

Insanity if that were to happen

[obtuse dove]

unlikely, lmao

[heady crystal]

Never happening

[obtuse dove]

also playstation is just, a more powerful console than steam machine, although the standard PS5 does use older architectures.

[proper vector]

Yeah, no way
But 5 years ago it'd be insane to think there'd be a successful consumer device that runs Linux so close to being Linux
And now, after Steam Deck success, we get more hardware from Valve
I wonder how it will look like in 5 years

[heady crystal]

I highly doubt this new Steam Machine is cheaper than the PS5 Pro which is also more powerful

And now, after Steam Deck success, we get more hardware from Valve
lol, lmao even

I don't really think the PC handheld market is actually a success

[obtuse dove]

even the regular PS5 is more powerful than the Steam Machine

[heady crystal]

I saw one price rumour of $900 USD for this

[obtuse dove]

HOLY SHIT

[heady crystal]

It's dead on arrival at that price IMHO

Especially with the non-Windows trade offs

[obtuse dove]

AND ITS ONLY USING RDNA3!?!?!? bruh

[heady crystal]

Literally the worst of both worlds

[obtuse dove]

that is insanity

[plucky cedar]

If it is 300-400 it would be amazing

[heady crystal]

Pricier than any console and doesn't even have the full PC library playable out of the box

[plucky cedar]

No way that is happening

[heady crystal]

I'll eat my hat if they can match the PS5 Pro price

So $700 USD

[obtuse dove]

and less powerful, and doesnt even use the newest architectures.

[proper vector]

If it weren't they wouldn't release Steam Machine and plan on creating Deck 2
And also there wouldn't be other handhelds from Asus or Lenovo

[plucky cedar]

I hope that ages like milk but it will probably age like wine...

[heady crystal]

PS5 Pro getting FSR4 early next year as well

As a drop in replacement for the already quite good PSSR

[obtuse dove]

PS5 pro will destroy the steam machine, 60 RDNA3 CUs vs 28 RDNA 3 CUs. it does not stand a chance

the PS5 pro has more than double the amount of CUs

and more CPU cores

[heady crystal]

8 cores of Zen 2 vs 6 cores of Zen 4

Probably about even in reality

[plucky cedar]

I was hoping a SteamOS distro so Steam OS 3 with more compatibilty because I would love to build a system which probably cost more money than this and have it based on Linux (I think that would be fun ngl)

[heady crystal]

Plus PS5 Pro only has the 16GB memory pool

[plucky cedar]

Better CPU worse GPU but you can do stuff with it

[proper vector]

I wonder how it'll work since it's nerfed RX 6800

[heady crystal]

Once you look past the SteamOS and/or Valve hype, I don't think the Steam Machine is actually good hardware.

[obtuse dove]

thing is the cpu on steam machine is choked at 30W TDP.

[bitter sapphire]

And the OG xbox wants their controller size back

[obtuse dove]

which really sucks.

[plucky cedar]

The controller?

[plucky cedar]

And what about the VR?

[obtuse dove]

at least the OS the PS5 Pro uses is much more lightweight than something like Windows 11

[proper vector]

All depends on price if it will suck or not

[obtuse dove]

no such thing as bad hardware, but a bad price

[heady crystal]

The VR looks cool but I'm not into VR

Can't really comment

The controller is certainly a design but the Steam Deck inputs are cool.

That said, I think one larger trackpad might've been better for a regular controller... even if that would just be a DualSense clone.

[plucky cedar]

I dislike this idea... I have had 2 Steam Controllers 1 pad is awkward

[proper vector]

I'm really excited about one thing and that is Proton ARM
If Valve can make x86 games work good on Frame and later on on ARM devices
It may be possible that in the future we'd be able to connect controller to a phone, launch Steam app and play Steam games on it

[plucky cedar]

Isn't that Steam Link?

[proper vector]

Steam Link streams from PC
And with Proton ARM it'd be technically possible to run games straight on the phone

[plucky cedar]

Oh yeah, running natively bruh I gotta stop typing and playing THE FINALS on the other screen...

Honestly I must say this is the best Discord to discuss tech and game stuff...

I swear I have never had so many people give me great thoughts and learned stuff about stuff and things so fast... By just buying this 80HE and being part of this Discord...

Mad respect!

[vital gorge]

Finally, ftl on android. Not just ipad

[wise garnet]

op1 8k vs pro superlight?

[patent siren]

I like my X Pro Superlight 2 DEX

(Product name ridiculousness aside)

[oblique totem]

thats actually not that low for the tier of machine
and you are allowed to raise it thats just what they figured would balance the best with their 110w of gpu

[oblique totem]

Valve said to DF that vr isnt the only arm device they are looking into 👀

[white jackal]

Steam deck 2

With better battery life

[vital gorge]

snapdragon should be quite powerful

[white jackal]

They‘re gonna salvage old macs for their M series processors

[rain turret]

op1 8k out of those two, but you can even get comparable/better and cheaper.

[wise garnet]

why is the op1 8k better then the pro light?

[patent patrol]

very different mice tbh

[frigid ivy]

https://www.techpowerup.com/342880/pulsar-gaming-gears-announces-new-pulsar-es-pad-line-of-mousepads

Rip lethal gaming gear

Pulsar really just yoinked and slap their name on it

[patent patrol]

sad

[frigid ivy]

Kinda crazy how lgg basically cornered the market on being the middle man for mouse skates

[abstract warren]

Oh hell nah

[gleaming axle]

good mousepad for gpx?

[patent patrol]

for NA?

[ornate ridge]

just pick a pad you like and adapt the skates if you need

[patent siren]

From the discussion on IEMs in #🔧│keyboard_modding that was suggested to be moved here:

What bothers me about stuff like audiophile IEMs (specifically the astral) is that ther are dozens of them available "used" on amazon, which suggests that a lot of people bought them and didn't appreciate them.

[ornate ridge]

I wouldnt trust Amazon too much on them tbh, most of the time people order them to try them and plan to return them if they dont absolutely love them

I've met quite a few people that already have plenty sets and are just curious about a set that they cant try in person otherwise

[patent siren]

For $250+ those IEMs better do things to my body that are reserved for special people.

especially with astrals being literally 3D printed...

They're probably making $150 in profit per sale of those things

[ornate ridge]

I'd say from my experience at like 200-300 you get to the point of deminishing returns. I have a 130€ set that is around 80% of the way there compared to my most expensive IEM set

[ornate ridge]

You cant forget RnD costs. Also most of the time IEMs are small batches. They surely make a good profit, but I'd doubt its more than 100

[patent siren]

yeah I'm aware of R&D

I'm an engineer. 🙂

[ornate ridge]

same 🤝

[patent siren]

And maybe I'm wrong about $150 margin on astrals. Maybe it's $95 because of something I don't know about the nozzles.

But I'd have to be totally blown away to keep them, which is what I suspect a lot of the Amazon returns are about.

[ornate ridge]

honestly no one knows except kiwi themselves

[patent siren]

That's all I meant. The return rate suggests that perhaps they're not ear-blowingly good.

[wet coral]

after getting iems i really just prefer to use them over headphones tbh

i dislike headset bands as i cant really use them for a long time

[patent siren]

That's fair.

[ornate ridge]

or that many people ordered them that have different preferences or their ears dont fit them

[wet coral]

i only use my hyperx headphones if i need it for smth wireless like sim racing where its not ideal using iems

[ornate ridge]

I totally get that! For me its more of a heat + noise isolation thing

[patent siren]

I'm comfortable with bands and over the ear monitors. So for me, I'd probably stick with over the ear.

Also yeah, in-ear stuff is REALLY hit and miss for me.

Like my ear canals have a hard time sealing even things like airpods or pixel buds well on both ears. (One ear is great, one ear not so great.)

15 differennt silicon tip brand/size configurations later, and I end up just not wearing them. So I am really leary of IEMs that aren't custom molded.

[ornate ridge]

So I read it that you have large ears? or is it just a weird quirk with most eartips?

[patent siren]

Now, if I could take the astral drivers and nozzles (which is probably where the real magic is anyhow) , I could put it into a custom mold.

[ornate ridge]

I'd be super curious about customs, but they are sooooo expensive 😖

[wet coral]

3k for a pair of earbuds

[patent siren]

I have a mid to small size ear canal on my right ear, and I have some severe TMJ on my left jaw which causes the bones in my face to be different on that side, which enlarges that ear canal irregularly, and nothing really works well.

[ornate ridge]

lowest I've seen for decent sets is around 1.2k

[patent siren]

And this is why I end up just sticking with over the ear.

[terse ferry]

And technicly custom iems are not permanent.

[patent siren]

correct

[ornate ridge]

have you tried different size tips? e.g. medium on the one and large on the other ear? Or other eartip materials?

[patent siren]

What's odd is, of all of the ear buds available, so far, the best have been Pixel Buds 2 in terms of fit.

[patent siren]

yup, I've gotten all sorts from many brands, including JDM JVC stuff from amazon.jp (which also were a really good fit, with the right nozzle shape on one device)

[terse ferry]

@patent siren so your ear holes are small and shallow?

[patent siren]

one hole is medium/small and shallow

The other hole is medium/small and shallow, but gets literalyl dislocated by TMJ and becomes very large.

[ornate ridge]

hmmm, I see :/

have you ever tried hybrid tips? They are made from memory foam with a silicon outer shell

[patent siren]

if I open my mouth too far, my jaw sounds like a baseball bat hitting a baseball, to give you an idea of just how bad the bones move around 😛

(also causes extreme pain)

[ornate ridge]

oh damn 😬

[patent siren]

so IEMs are .... really a struggle. I've managed to get some that work, but it's VERY nozzle shape and angle dependent.

One of the best was actually nuraphone buds and nozzles.

Of course they stopped supporting them. 😛

(best in terms of shape and seal, not necessarily best in terms of sound profile)

[terse ferry]

So get foam tip so it would force your ear canal to expand

[patent siren]

That's a good idea.

[ornate ridge]

I'd recommend hybrids since they mess with the sound signature less

[terse ferry]

But it would be painful

[patent siren]

I'd probably be willing to try kiwi astrals but I'd definitely be returning if they didn't make me have an eargasm in stereo.

hahah

[ornate ridge]

what audio source are you using to play from?

[patent siren]

It'd be my onkyo receiver. Nothing too fancy.

[wet coral]

my mic’s headphone jack

[patent siren]

I just use pixel buds 2 for my bluetooth lo-fi media.

[ornate ridge]

should be decent enough tho 😛 I'm just asking because I've seen people talk about how bad their good gear sounds just to figure out they run on motherboard audio with windows audio settings not even dialed up

[patent siren]

I just have a wireless steelseries for my PC

that's fine for me

[ornate ridge]

pain, I'd switch to an audio interface of dac if possible. xD But I mean if it works it works

[wet coral]

it should be enough but ill read up on it

[ornate ridge]

and check if you set the windows audio settings to best possible quality

[patent siren]

steelseries arctis nova pro wireless, was a gift, and they sound fine for gaming and such.

because source for gaming is, indeed, motherboard audio

[ornate ridge]

how are they? I'm considering them for when my sennheiser cheap true wirless die on me. Only a matter of time

[ornate ridge]

for gaming it's mostly alright, when I listen to music I'd notice a difference tho. I'm mostly using my Focusrite Scarlett since I havent found an affordable way to have mic monitoring and use a good dac in combination

[patent siren]

They're fairly expensive but they come with 2 batteries, and the mix/volume unit is also the wifi adapter and has a battery charger, and they can do wifi from that adapter for PC simultaneous with bluetooth from phone.

And honestly, for PC gaming, the drivers are mostly pretty good.

[wet coral]

could you dm me how to? thanks

[patent siren]

They're not what I'd go to for listening to high quality audio files on a standalone soundcard though.

[ornate ridge]

are we still talking about the pixel buds? Or am I just confused? XD

[patent siren]

oh sorry, answered the wrong thing

[ornate ridge]

@wet coral what is the Awesome split role from btw?

[ornate ridge]

no worries xD

[patent siren]

Pixel Buds 2 are totally fine for phone calls and phone tasks and just listening to bluetooth streamed media on the phone, like the "high quality" youtube music downloads.

They're not audiophile level for sure.

[patent siren]

Stunning Split was from being on team split space bar in the spacebar heist game.

[ornate ridge]

Sounds good enough. When I'm on the go I dont care about the absolute best quality as much. Sure it shouldn't sound horrible but I'm more focused on usability while on the move

[ornate ridge]

ohhhhh

[patent siren]

I think that the pixel buds 2 were subjectively better than the latest apple airpods.

But part of that is because they fit my ears better and stayed in better.

So it's possible that the drivers on apple are better.

[ornate ridge]

honestly the split spacebar is goated, but I can't get myself to buy the 60v2 since I already have the 60he+ modded

[patent siren]

again, my use case is wildly dependent on fitment, where a good fitting nozzle/tip with a mediocre driver is still better than the best driver ever on a poorly fitted nozzle/tip

[patent siren]

could just splurge on a board only

[ornate ridge]

yeah true. But I think they'll probably be pretty much on par with the airpods and since I dont use apple they weren't an option anyways xD

[patent siren]

yeah

[ornate ridge]

true, but I already have another keeb project lined up

[patent siren]

I'd say pixel buds 2 were "good for their use case/purpose"

[ornate ridge]

need a travel board for university

[patent siren]

and their integration into the android system is better than any third party is going to be, so there's that

[ornate ridge]

I for sure have to many expensive hobbies xD

[patent siren]

I just enjoy using my disposable income in ways that make me happy. I probably don't invest enough.

[ornate ridge]

yeah same xD

but hey, happiness is always worth it

[wet coral]

yeah what shadow said 😅 sorry was eating haha

[ornate ridge]

no worries! hope the food was good 😄

[patent siren]

I did, however, tune my EQ on my PC to have equal perceived volume from 20 Hz to 16 kHz (where my hearing basically ends).

That took a long time to properly tune, but I have a totally equal volume sweep now.

[wet coral]

it was

[ornate ridge]

sounds great!

Damn I need to rant for a sec. Why the actual ffffff..... is java such a pile of trash 😠

I'm just trying to get my work done goddamn

[patent siren]

hehe my EQ wouldn't sound great to you at all, that's a fact

[wet coral]

i got myself to buy the module by selling my 60he+ pcb

[ornate ridge]

does the new module fit all cases that fit the previous ones?

[wet coral]

except you might have issues with some cases if you use the friction fit pad

[ornate ridge]

currently on the tofu redux

[wet coral]

but they include an extra foam pad for that reason

[wet coral]

it works with the redux, just a lil tight

[wet coral]

sold that off as well when i got a new case, basically a fully modded wooting for 50% of the price i paid, friend only needs to buy switches

[ornate ridge]

that friend got a bargain!

[wet coral]

it was used for a year but everythings in amazing condition

[ornate ridge]

I think for now I'm fine with my 60He+ and if a friend needs a new board I might propose a deal to him

Until then I'm busy trying to find the perfect portable wireless split keyboard for work on the go

[wet coral]

no scratches on the case and keycaps dont even show shine yet except for the edge of the spacebar

[ornate ridge]

what color case did you have?

[wet coral]

black tofu redux and im now using a silver gt-60

[ornate ridge]

sleek. I went with the dark green

[wet coral]

tofu is a heafty case

[ornate ridge]

but actually a great value for the quality

[wet coral]

oh yeah for sure

[hollow solstice]

Im looking to upgrade my mouse i have a logitech superlight and ive been looking inbetween the OP1 8k v2, ZYGEN NP-01S Ergo or even upgrading to a newer version of the superlight anyone know any recommendations that would be better?

[plain schooner]

You use the super light you’re already cooked bud

[hollow solstice]

this thing is all beat up lol

the skates look so bad

[plain schooner]

@hazy fiber is really knowledgeable when it comes to recommending a mouse

[crude talon]

finally no more stock hifiman cable

set up my new monitor today aswell

[tulip tide]

i have the same openheart cable on my hd600 :d

[crude talon]

Nice

[rain turret]

the Op1 8k v2

or if you feel adventurous

[abstract warren]

Maya X/Beastx max would be solid contenders if you wanna stay in the superlight size range (without going smaller)

[crude talon]

my friend really likes his maya x too, recommended it to him since he plays claw

[abstract warren]

I kinda wish they used smaller skates, but it’s a nice all rounder

[plain schooner]

[abstract warren]

I was going to ask why you were mad but then I realized why

Put the VV3 in the bag bro

[abstract warren]

You had the chance to mention it and fumbled

[plain schooner]

I hope we get the VV4 soon

Imagine they add Ai to it and a speaker

[crude talon]

your imagination sounds bad, stop imagining

[abstract warren]

Do you know when PMM gonna release their new grip coating

[plain schooner]

It should be out already

[abstract warren]

I kinda wanna ruin my VV3

[plain schooner]

Yeah it’s out

[abstract warren]

Oh it’s the 3.0?

Idk why I thought that was the same as before

[plain schooner]

Feels a lot nicer than the 2.0 for sure

[abstract warren]

It’s on sale too

Damn

[plain schooner]

I still like 1.0 the most

It was like sand paperish

[abstract warren]

Think it’s worth getting everything for $160 vs just buying a Beastx max

Including magnesium scroll wheel hehe

35g vv3 would be busted

[plain schooner]

The beast Max looks cool and all, but me personally I’d buy the mini

[abstract warren]

Me going for Beastx max is moreso for the clicks

[plain schooner]

30g-35g is such a sweet spot

[abstract warren]

And I guess not Beastx pro finger grip shit

[plain schooner]

Oh you don’t like mechanical switches right

[abstract warren]

Because even at like 38-40g my Beastx pro feels slower than my Ulx at the same weight

[abstract warren]

No

Ulx’s mechanical are ok

Not my favorite but not outright dogshit ig

Maya x clicks are decent

Beastx clicks is still king

[plain schooner]

I’d do mini

[abstract warren]

Viper v3 clicks were pretty high up too

Even if it sounded like shit

[abstract warren]

I have kawhi hands no mini here

Viper v3 shape is smallest I can go

Beastx pro too smol

Ergo too large for competitive fps

Only reason i haven’t gone Beastx max besides weight is no solid sides are available on amazon that isn’t tempered

Fuck it it’s time to ruin the VV3 🥶

[lunar niche]

BTW I switched back to my VV3 in case you needed ammunition to bully

[abstract warren]

With you I never need it /s

[abstract warren]

I’m planning on modding mine to 35g

See if it can compete with my Ulx

[lunar niche]

Nice, is there an off the shelf shell to swap it into? Or are you breaking out the rotary tool?

[abstract warren]

This

https://pmm.gg/products/zen-8k-mk

[lunar niche]

Holey. LMK how it goes!

[hazy fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-i-don't-need-it-thirsty-gif-6849490654043985218

[abstract warren]

Haven’t bought it yet 🤓

Also cool you can get it for no extra charge

[hazy fiber]

I WANT IT

[abstract warren]

But the click difference between Beastx and vv3 kinda makes me want the max but no good colors 😭😭😭😭

Fuck

Why do they have the best opticals

[hazy fiber]

Solid 35g viper v3 😭

[abstract warren]

Wonder if I could swap their opticals

[hazy fiber]

You can I think

[abstract warren]

Sheesh

If I knew what I was doing I’d consider it

[round lagoon]

ask somebody else to do it

[hazy fiber]

I can't use crazylight on glass so viper is the only mouse I can use right now

don't want to ruin it

skill issue

[abstract warren]

That kinda brick and mortar support is more dead than Kmart and Blockbuster

And for something super niche you’d need to mail it to some random guy in California

[round lagoon]

aww

[abstract warren]

Gaming retail is largely dead outside of your usual Best Buy’s and anything modded is super niche so you’d have to find some guy on IG, I think a guy that modded spoit’s VV2/3 before it broke was in CA but might be wrong on that

[patent siren]

Electronics repair, in general, is dying off. More and more people just buy and replace. 🙁

[obtuse dove]

well its also because the shiny new things are getting better and better and the need for ever more powerful hardware is never going away.

like my workplace upgrades everyones computers every 2-3 years.

and old ones get sent to be stripped and then destroyed for data security reasons

batteries are removed, Drives are removed and then destroyed (and its logged) and the computers are sent to be recylced.

and we cant just send them to any recycler either because of data security.

they are sent to a very specific recycler

although I have no clue what our recycler does to the computers

[patent siren]

Yeah, my phone environment is very strict on that

[proper turret]

is the razer deathadder v4 a good mouse?

[obtuse dove]

speaking of, in certain areas of where I work I am not allowed to bring my phone, only company phones are allowed in.

and the company phones are all iPhone

why? because they have proper security features that many androids lack.

[patent siren]

That's odd.

Usually there's just a phone box to dump your device in before entering those kinds of places.

[obtuse dove]

for us we put them in lockers

not really a phone box per se

[patent siren]

I'm speaking intentionally generically.

[obtuse dove]

oh lol

[patent siren]

Yeah, not much value in a security protocol if it's detailed to the public.

[obtuse dove]

lel

[patent siren]

For anything needing any kind of security, all cell phones are bad.

[obtuse dove]

yeah

[abstract warren]

Haven’t tried it, but it should be one of the best ergo mice if that’s the shape you want

Recent release should be good

RTings gave it a 9.4 overall

[proper turret]

give you give me a recommendation for a mic and headset?

like any good ones?

seen people just using iems

[abstract warren]

Depends on your budget really

[proper turret]

1k ill say

[abstract warren]

I just use a $100 Razer standalone mic + IEMs, but HD490s I’ve heard ppl love across the board so that would be my pick

[abstract warren]

You got some room to work with then

[proper turret]

yuppie

[gaunt flax]

i do love my hd490s

[abstract warren]

I’d look at the HD490s and some of the higher end Arya headsets

I’ve heard great things about them but never tried

[proper turret]

is that a studio headset or gaming type?

[gaunt flax]

it's the best studio headset that also is top tier for fps games basically

[abstract warren]

Both, but it rates very highly for comp fps like Sno said

Sno could probably help with mics more 🌹

[gaunt flax]

standalone mic + something like hd 490 pro is the way to go. Then you're not tied to a crummy gaming headset mic combo

[abstract warren]

That shit is the worst

[proper turret]

is the 490 wireless?

[gaunt flax]

nope, top tier headset that is good for gaming + wireless is rare

[proper turret]

for the mic i might just go with the hyperx mic but unless its better

[proper turret]

i see

welp wired it is

[gaunt flax]

if you must go with a 'gaming brand' mic then get the elgato

[proper turret]

490 + elgato

ok

[round lagoon]

HD490 pro

good comfort, easy to drive, and built well

[wet coral]

hyperx quadcast? its a shotgun mic and doesnt really sound all too good + picks up background a lot

[proper turret]

https://a.co/d/70sFneq this one?

[proper turret]

what mic should i get along with the 490 pro?

[wet coral]

im using a pretty cheap mic but its pretty good + dynamic, has usbc and xlr capabilities if you need/want it

with your budget you can probably get something better

[wet coral]

idk too much about mics tho maybe someone else can answer

[abstract warren]

Last good mic I knew about was the blue yeti but that might be long outdated atp

[proper turret]

ahh ok ok

also what is a elgato?

my first pc and i was thinking about going big and make it last years so just thing to get the best of the best things but i think a problem ill have is not knowing what to do and how to use certain features to its max

[wet coral]

elgato typically makes gear for streaming afaik

[round lagoon]

Yep, perfecto.

[proper turret]

ok thanks guys

will be buying these things soon as black friday hits amazon or whenever things are super below thr mrsp

[gaunt flax]

if you want 'gamer brand' then one of the elgato wave mics is a decent one. If you want just normal good mic then something like a rode podmic + elgato wave xlr interface would be a nice setup

[crude talon]

I have an elgato mic, mostly for the design :)
my friends said it sounds better than my old one but that was a pretty cheap one

I have a wave dx but that's xlr

[lunar niche]

Oh rad, Senn is adopting minixlr for their headphone connector? 😤

[proper turret]

i looked up elgato and all it shows is some flat thing

ohh nevermind i see the mic

[gaunt flax]

yeah 490pro is mini xlr now

[lunar niche]

Love seeing standardizing on solid connectors

[gaunt flax]

i do like that everything that can wear out is tough and replacable on these

i've thrown away too many older headphones because the headband padding starts shedding and you can't replace it or the cable connector is scuffed

[lunar niche]

A good pair of senns will last a lifetime. I'm currently wearing hd600s I bought used over 15y ago.

New pads, new cable, headband pad and it's like brand new

[round lagoon]

490 is by the pro division, seperate from the one that makes the hd600 (consumer division)

[lunar niche]

I don't think there was such divisions when this was made 🙂

The two highest end headphones they had at the time were hd600 and hd650

Enthusiast headphone market really changed a lot in the years since then

(assuming you don't count the Orpheus, which was like the HE-1 at the time)

[gaunt flax]

yeah back then it was just, if you wanted top tier you bought hd600s and there wasn't much else known to public

and cs gamers just had audio technicas, which to be fair are still incredibly comfortable solid fps headphones lol

[lunar niche]

AKG had some that people swore by from decades prior, but yeah

[gaunt flax]

yeah akg and audio technica, the old guard of default cs gamer buys

[lunar niche]

The beautiful thing about good audio is that it doesn't really get worse or obsolete like a lot of tech.

[round lagoon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/1l4py5t/sennheiser_hd_490_pro_plus_the_somewhat/?chainedPosts=t3_1aqxl5e legit exist. TLDR: The part that makes hd600/hd800 got sold off to Sonova, the one that makes hd490 pro still owned by the original owners

[lunar niche]

Yup AT forgot about them, and the undying Sony MDR-1 🙂

[gaunt flax]

i think i only threw away my audio technica ad500x when the wire guard broke and the cable wasn't replacable so i just had bare wires hanging out of the cable lol

[lunar niche]

Losing headphones due to a cable failure is so fucking tragic from every angle

[crude talon]

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the iems still look so good but no graph yet

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FixupX · Nov 14, 2025, 5:59 AM

[round lagoon]

ehh, not interested

[crude talon]

need to match the setup ;copium

[round lagoon]

mmm, miku keyboard, miku glass pad, miku mouse, miku dac/dap, miku IEM, miku case, miku everything.

[gaunt flax]

calslock would buy that

[round lagoon]

art is nice though, prefer this over Asus's

[crude talon]

yeah I prefer not a print, just a colorscheme does way better

[gaunt flax]

actually no it's raquel that is the crazy miku fan

[crude talon]

don't like the asus collab very much at all

[crude talon]

Although outdated now I have miku keyboard

And miku mic arm

And a monitor that isn’t smudged 💀

[round lagoon]

go get that dap and IEM

[crude talon]

I don’t want a dap

kinda the iems though since they look so nice

[round lagoon]

okay, go get that iem

it does looks nice

[crude talon]

maybe if I feel rich later, they’re gonna keep them on sale for a year

the setup is quite different now, I mostly covered it in figures for the pic, did keep it for a while though

[round lagoon]

naisu

[proper turret]

is over a 240hz monitor useless

whats the best hz to play on?

[patent siren]

...

[crude talon]

not useless but maybe diminishing returns, still more motion clarity at higher refresh rates

[patent siren]

Depends on your purpose, your resolution, your video card, your CPU, and your expectations.

[proper turret]

ahh ok

i might get 5070 ti or just ball out on the 5090 but fee like its a overkill .-.

[patent siren]

Doing the 1080p or 1440p ultra low settings 360 Hz thing is what some of the really competitive FPS folks do.

Sitting at ultra wide or 4k with Freesync/Gsync at ultra high settings is nice for story games and such.

And playing with RT in stuff like cyberpunk is fun.

[proper turret]

i was looking at a 240hz curved oled monitor thats 1440p by alienware thats $700

[patent siren]

So "best resolution" and "best refresh rate" is very application and system and user dependent.

[proper turret]

but i dont know if thats good for gaming

[proper turret]

i see

[round lagoon]

mmm, yah IMO. Especially if you just play single player. But if you want dat smoothness feel free to go higher.

if you do want to go 360hz or higher, just make sure to have 7800x3d or similar/higher if playing competitive FPS.

[proper turret]

i been watching videos and theyll usually say 60hz to 120hz is a big difference but not 120 to 240hz but 240hz or higher is just pointless cause we cant see that

[round lagoon]

but placebo is nice

[patent siren]

My monitor is a 32 inch 4k res. 240 Hz Gsync/Freesync OLED

It's fantastic for what I play.

I'm not a competitive FOS ranker.

[proper turret]

so its literally not real

just feels as if it is because you know youre playing on a higher

?

[patent siren]

"can't see that" is a false narrative

240 Hz Freesync/Gsync pushed by a high frame rate (low frame time) cars with a CPU that can handle the latency is a noticeably smoother feeling gameplay than 60 Hz.

[prisma heath]

For a 5070ti would yall recommend a ryzen 7 7800x3d or 9800x3d?

[patent siren]

"can't see the difference" is an incorrect narrative

[patent siren]

Both are superb gaming CPUs. The two best really.

[round lagoon]

7800x3d. I would only go for 9800x3d if I got higher tier GPU.

[patent siren]

So yeah, solid choice.

The price difference is minimal.

So no harm in 9800x3d

[round lagoon]

he hasn't state the price

[prisma heath]

Okay thank you both

[round lagoon]

if it's small like $50, I guess

[proper turret]

i mean of course between a 60hz and 240hz youll notice the difference but what about a 144hz or 120hz? you cant really see the small speeds right?

[round lagoon]

anything above $150 or more just save money for something else.

[proper turret]

i was thinking of getting a 5070 ti with the 9800 but then everybody says the 9070xt better bla bla bla

so confusing what to get got my first pc

[prisma heath]

Mmmm

[proper turret]

and i watched videos and only see the 5090 is the only biggest jump

[quasi field]

The higher the refresh rate, the bigger a jump you have to make

120 to 240 is quite noticeable to me, but not as much as 60 to 120

However, 120 to 1000 would be really noticeable

[proper turret]

i been thinking about just getting the 5090 and call it a day honestly

[quasi field]

Or 240 to 1000

[proper turret]

but if i get the 5090 i dont know what supports that

[proper turret]

is it the feeling?

or like seeing?

[round lagoon]

do you really need 5090? I feel like unless you're doing high end graphic/video editing/AI, it won't be much of use.

[proper turret]

true

mostly for future purposes but then other gpus will come out

[obtuse dove]

anything that supports current nvidia drivers and whatnot will work fine tbh

[quasi field]

Seeing

[proper turret]

i been overthinking about what to get cause in the pc community i see they always have negative things to say honestly

[quasi field]

The main advantage with high refresh rates is the motion clarity, not something you feel

[obtuse dove]

anything that could potentially eat your Vram like its candy I would suggest a 5090

the biggest benefit of 5090 in my opinion is the 32gb of GDDR7

[round lagoon]

yesh, very nice amount of vram for local AI use

[obtuse dove]

VR/AR and Rendering also eats at your Vram

[proper turret]

for an example say if im on 240hz and someone is running through a door, ill see that happening BEFORE they do if they are on a lower hz right?

[obtuse dove]

or any 3D work in general

[quasi field]

Yes sure, but this is a very very minor thing at higher refresh rates

[wet coral]

oled is amazing for single player stories or just consuming a lot of content but if youre more in the esport shooters only its something you wont need

[quasi field]

The major point is that you are decreasing the motion blur on eye-tracked objects

[obtuse dove]

OLED is deffo very nice

[quasi field]

240 Hz oled still has noticeable motion blur

Definitely quite a little bit more improvement to be had

Things do not have to move very fast to blur at only 240 Hz

[obtuse dove]

the newer 'fast oleds' are much better in that regard however

[quasi field]

You mean the 480 Hz+ ones?

480 Hz is a nice upgrade over 240 yeah

[proper turret]

so question for a 5070 ti or a 9070xt do you think this monitor is perfect? https://a.co/d/j3VuSM7

[obtuse dove]

more or less yeah

[quasi field]

Still not perfect of course but quite better

[proper turret]

i dont know which is better a curved or flat but i want to try curved

[obtuse dove]

not quite 100% DCI-P3 which may be a turnoff if you do creative work.

[proper turret]

i dont know if im overpaying too much money for a monitor

[wet coral]

mostly preference but i dont feel like curved is needed unless its a big ultrawide

[obtuse dove]

otherwise its fine

[rain turret]

latter

[obtuse dove]

Vesa TrueBlack 400 is pretty nice too, 250 nit peak full screen brightness and 400 nit peak brightness

[proper turret]

can i copy and paste my build i had in mind here and you give me your opinions?

[wet coral]

sure

[proper turret]

ok

[obtuse dove]

also fyi that 1000 nit peak brightness listed for the monitor is only for 10% APL

likely in HDR mode too

[quasi field]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701111497782329364/1395486348919443598/PunchingCat_-_1937623516653711835.gif

[obtuse dove]

in reality you'll likely only get 250-400 nits in real world use with max brightness

which is still plenty bright for indoor use in indirect lighting

[proper turret]

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D

Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix B850‑F Gaming WiFi (just found out this motherboard is not supported so i will change)

RAM: G.SKILL Trident Z5 Royal Neo Series DDR5 RAM (AMD Expo) 32GB (2x16GB) 6400MT/s

SSD: Samsung 990 PRO w/ Heatsink 

GPU: MSI GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16G 

AIO: TRYX Panorama SE 360 ARGB

Fans:
Top (AIO): swithcing to 3× 120 mm Lian Li SL-Infinity 120 Normal (Exhaust)
Side: 3× 120 Lian Li TL LCD 120 mm Reverse (Intake)
Bottom: 3× 120 mm Lian Li SL-Infinity Reverse (Intake)
Rear: 1× 140 mm Lian Li TL LCD (Exhaust)

PSU: be quiet! Pure Power 13 M 850 W 

Case: HYTE Y70 Touch (black)

Monitor: Alienware AW3425DW (34″, 3440×1440, 240 Hz, QD-OLED)

strimer: Lian Li Strimer Wireless cables (24-pin + 16-pin + 8-pin)

sorry if its a alot

[wet coral]

oleds are definitely bright enough unless you got the sun on your monitor

[wet coral]

10 lian li fans, might be balling

[quasi field]

I want much brighter oleds so we can have real BFI

[proper turret]

$300+ for all fans D:

[wet coral]

cpu + gpu combo is alright though you wont get max performance out of your cpu in SOME games (as like i am right now),
rams good, but whats the timing for it
usually dont need a heatsync for the m.2 as most motherboards have then
idk much about that specific aio

[obtuse dove]

Apple iPad Pro M4 OLED is the best OLED display in my opinion

or M5, they have the same display

[wet coral]

been loving my m4 ipad

[obtuse dove]

1000 nits in SDR mode at 100% APL

[proper turret]

im trying to even out the aesthetic and performance

[quasi field]

Would be very nice in a monitor. Phone/tablet screen technology is always ahead of monitor panels in most ways aside from refresh rate

[obtuse dove]

when the ambient light sensor detects that you are in a bright envioronment it will be able to do that, otherwise it limits you to 600 nits becuase it is just not necessary LMAO.

smart system ngl

[obtuse dove]

eh, i'd say the refresh rates on phones and tablets are equally as impressive

since they have VRR that can go from 0.5Hz to 120Hz

or more

[proper turret]

whats the best gpu that can run the 9800

or should i just remain where im at

[wet coral]

technically 5090 but imo i dont think you should get that if you mostly play fps

[wet coral]

what you got is already pretty good

[vital gorge]

Consider an aircooler

[quasi field]

Well I was referring to high how they can go

[obtuse dove]

iirc there are gaming tablets and gaming phones that can do 240Hz

pretty cool stuff

[wet coral]

hes going for aesthetics hence the aio, hyte case and 10 lianli fans

[proper turret]

well trying to balance both

[obtuse dove]

if bro was really going for asthetics you'd do a custom loop with hard line acrylic tubing.

[wet coral]

but def for a more budget build air cooler is the way

[obtuse dove]

actually, no dont do acrylic, Polycarbonate is the one!

[proper turret]

i thought the aio and fans was the air cooler

[wet coral]

i just got an aio for free so i might as well just use it

[obtuse dove]

I use an AIO as well, lmao

[wet coral]

aio uses water heat transfer to cool it where an air cooler uses a massive heatsync with fans slapped on

[obtuse dove]

heatsink with heatpipes yeah

although if you want to be fancy like nvidia you can use vapor chambers!

[obtuse dove]

ok well mine doesnt have a fancy display LMAO

at least I got the dual shades of grey noctouas and not the poop brown and vomit tan ones LEL

[wet coral]

the only issue with it is i cant see the pump speed and it was tweakin in my cousins pc but perfectly fine in mine

[obtuse dove]

whoops, LMAO

[wet coral]

lian li sent a replacement to my cousin and it still has the same issues (requires a restart to shut it up every time)

[proper turret]

so a air cooler is better? but for aesthetic aio?

[wet coral]

air cooler is better for budget

[proper turret]

oh

do air coolers have lcd screens?

[wet coral]

and also wont really break as you can just replace the fans

[obtuse dove]

I use a Arctic Liquid Freezer 2

very reliable

[vital gorge]

Yeah that's OK. Myself I just want a black box on the floor being as silent as possible

[wet coral]

some probably do but for the price i think youd just get an aio instead

[obtuse dove]

but I swapped to noctouas rather than the stock fans

[proper turret]

ok thanks

[wet coral]

or you can get a big vertical/horizontal screen to slap inside your pc

[proper turret]

imma struggle building my computer

[proper turret]

like this?

i seen on tiktok these

[wet coral]

pretty much yeah

[wet coral]

i mean aio works perfectly fine and pump speed doesnt ramp up and down constantly in my system so i might as well just keep it

[proper turret]

too much lcd for me i think ill just like the fans only and the aio

[wet coral]

after all it took for me to install it

[obtuse dove]

same, although mine is a 360mm unit LMAO

[wet coral]

mines also a 360…

[obtuse dove]

BWAHAHAHA, as long as it fits!

[wet coral]

it was a pita to wiggle the gpu in since the rear io bracket kept making contact with a lip on the rear of the case

[obtuse dove]

thats why I dont like thick ass gpus

5090 FE my beloved

an actually resonably sized gpu

[wet coral]

a solid 45% of that 2nd fan is blowing straight into the gpu

[obtuse dove]

lmao

[wet coral]

keeps temps across the pc down so

meh whatever

[obtuse dove]

there was one time I set the fan hysteresis to 1 for shits and giggles

every time you open a chrome tab the fans instantly ramp up and then immediately calm down.

LMAO

[wet coral]

i have a really quiet fan profile on rn and im fine with cpu running like 5c hotter

[onyx knoll]

Building with a lot of corsair parts...so nice to use.

On that note, only hate for MSI cases.

[wet coral]

i only use corsair psus

fans are overpriced

[onyx knoll]

Still waiting out on the rest of the parts

[obtuse dove]

same, and its fine even with very heavy workloads

[onyx knoll]

Shit wrong link

[wet coral]

i mean even with the quiet profile, cpu+gpu dont go above 70 during games

[onyx knoll]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M7FJ6Q

[obtuse dove]

for me worst case scenario with both at 100% load, it doesnt get higher than 80C

on the quiet fan curve

[wet coral]

ah i am using the corsair 4000d though i now kinda wish i had gotten a bigger case..

considering how tight the aio+gpu are

[onyx knoll]

Oof

Personally after using an MSI case and then a Hyte Y40 I love this thing

[wet coral]

but i didnt have an aio before and it was fine

[patent siren]

+1

[obtuse dove]

hell yeah

[onyx knoll]

Aaahh lucky

[wet coral]

the air 5400 is interesting

[patent siren]

Seasonic are super solid, and usually the OEM for the upper tier Corsair.

(Or Superflower)

[wet coral]

but not for the price its selling at interesting

[onyx knoll]

Wanted to buy a FE card so bad but I can't rationalize it right now. Would much rather spend that money on a race Downpipe 🤤

[patent siren]

Corsair does have a good PSU engineer, but you have to really know what SKU you're getting.

Because Corsair goes from basic bitch Chinesium PSU up to top tier customized performance criteria Seasonic OEM

[wet coral]

LTTs lab tierlist

[patent siren]

Not exactly tested with much rigor, as far as I know.

[wet coral]

theres one other tierlist but i forgot the youtuber

[onyx knoll]

GNexus?

[patent siren]

There used to be a guy who did this professionally.

He's now the Corsair engineer, so stopped doing it.

There's not really any independent PSU reviewer with the level of detail needed to make an informed decision on individual SKUs when you don't know the OEM.

Therefore, Seasonic with their warranty becomes GOATed.

Because known OEM

[onyx knoll]

Makes sense

[patent siren]

(or Superflower)

[obtuse dove]

Asus is good but expensive

[patent siren]

That also use Seasonic Superflower Antec and others for PSU OEM.

Unless you know the OEM... Eh...

I'll stick to Seasonic.

[obtuse dove]

yeah true

[onyx knoll]

Yeah ngl looking at the Seasonics and Corsair I can see the physical similarities

[patent siren]

It's totally SKU dependent.

Mind you, the higher tier Asus MIGHT add value, and I do know that the higher tier Corsair specs have some good engineering thought put into them. And that might add value.

But you're paying a lot extra for that badging and reselling compared to a Seasonic Vertex, for example.

Also, the whole Gold/Platinum/Titanium thing is pretty silly for the home user.

And a lot of what Corsair does is try to upsell the Plat/Ti efficiency.

I'd rather have better current and voltage regulation, and better transient response then platinum.

[obtuse dove]

80 PLUS in the real world makes minimal difference on your power bill yeah

like 80 PLUS gold is good enough 90% of the time

its only really in enterprise when you have multiple systems deployed is when the efficiency gains start to scale up

[rain turret]

no, you won't. You will enjoy it, it's much easier today with innovations.
Uni fans for example make the fan cable messes non existant. 🙂

[rigid dagger]

got my CR-005

[rain turret]

Curious to know how it feels or anything you can share after using it for a while :)

[rigid dagger]

I have all the surfaces

I just want them to make the SP-005 in all black so bad

[rigid dagger]

I will as soon as I get my monitor arm set up

because I don't have space for a glass pad

but I will as soon as I get my monitor arm set up, since ot's a VESA 100x100 Vice-mount arm for my PG27AQN

[silver topaz]

Fire

[rigid dagger]

Here are my Wallhack pads stacked on eachother

[hollow solstice]

cuh threw me into a rabbit hole

[rain turret]

I was just thinking of getting three P28s, but a friend might have a link for cheap T30s, so not decided yet.

[rain turret]

I recently started researching into high end mice aswell, turns out the garbage we get on the west and the amounts we pay isn't required

[silver topaz]

Oh yeah lian li fans in general are expensive af

[rain turret]

I have a few, but that's not an issue.
It's rather that if the T30 is better and cheaper, i'll just get them.

No reason not to be clever.

[plain schooner]

You gonna buy an attackshark bro?

[rigid dagger]

Got each surface here with some unique optical properties

My orbitalworks pathfinder on each surface

[wet coral]

hitscan hyperlight is the move 🙂‍↕️

[hollow solstice]

yeah ive just barley started looking into it aswell thats why i havent gotten an upgraded superlight because i felt like there was better options for a better price aswell

[rain turret]

There are a few options indeed

[hollow solstice]

ill look into that one

[wet coral]

i went from gpx to it and i cant go back