🤩│wooting60hev2

[sinful plover]

split backspace, shift, enter

[tropic relic]

me symmetry? I don’t care about symmetry at all. utility is what I like. :)

just ortho atp

[spring stirrup]

not you

the other guy

[tropic relic]

oh shot

[timber nimbus]

Invite arc back to server so he can have heart attack seeing 4u spacebar suggested

[spring stirrup]

he knows

😭

[oblique pendant]

I prefer being 80he + Numpad maxxing

[wooden bluff]

spacebar is perfectly aligned to homerow, 1.5 keys in corners, 1.25 keys next to spacebar - it's symmetrical enough - perfection is not just in some amazing symmetry, but more so in great functionality (especially for gaming purposes).

[oblique pendant]

Lit will be soo good for rhythm game

Even as an upgrade from woot UWU

[wooden bluff]

also notice very nicely aligned arrow keys (current are not)

[tropic relic]

not dedicated

either arrow up or ?

☹️

[spring stirrup]

[wooden bluff]

bruh, your dedicated arrows 60% design is never gonna happen

[tropic relic]

I already got it ;)

and helped design too

[oblique pendant]

At least I got the cap to use it when I got the keyboard

[tropic relic]

soonTM it’ll release

[wooden bluff]

well to each their own (and the annoyances that follow, which I have described)

[tropic relic]

I wonder why they didn’t go with 64% instead. if they can say fuck the people that want to use the right spacebar, they can say fuck the people that use right shift as well. 👀

[oblique pendant]

Nooo

right shift my beloved

I will be okay with it though if they have numpad

[tropic relic]

yeah, 64% is not for everyone but it is a more gamery layout and quite common now too

[tropic relic]

I thought there was gonna be a numpad man..

😭

[oblique pendant]

right hand itching for the numpad

[terse cape]

Damnnn you in the future

@oblique pendant Can you check the lotto results for me, 8pm UK draw time 🤣

[oblique pendant]

Sorry, I don't gamble

But maybe the next win will feature a lot of number 3 and 5

[hasty cloud]

awesome news

[wooden bluff]

guys i aligned the v2 split with homerow, and split it with a triangle key so this key doesn't get in the way, and thumbs don't touch it when you type

[peak prairie]

Mod it to be possible and I’ll buy it

[inner tartan]

To be fair, this is really good haha

Just make the triangle a 1u knob and then you're really cooking

[peak prairie]

7U split would be the dream

Easy

[candid solar]

Wait your cooking

Split space would be kinda sick for having the middle key as the wootknob

[spring stirrup]

middle key as ESC and knob instead of ESC 🌹

[tropic relic]

..

💀

[inner tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

It's all coming together

[candid solar]

Nah esc always top left

[inner tartan]

You couldnt have picked a worse example lol

[tropic relic]

that’s exactly it! mana’s

just not a triangle 😭

[tropic relic]

@wooden bluff funnily enough, this actually has a 2.5u key. (eh, maybe not. it seems they use two 2.75u keys but they just squished the left one in??????? 🤨)

ergonomically the perfect split, 2.5 - 1 - 2.75

[stone violet]

is it worth to get this if i have a 60he and dont really do keyboard mods or anything like that

[tropic relic]

if you don’t care for the performance and build quality upgrade, then no.

[stone violet]

they didnt change like the actuation point or smth like that right?

[tropic relic]

nope

just build quality and 8KHz

[stone violet]

alr then

thanks

[tropic relic]

and split space if you’re into that

[reef horizon]

yay no third party keycap compatibility

[narrow void]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[noble harness]

wooting60hev2?

[spring stirrup]

correct

[wooden bluff]

updated the triangular keycap from 1.0 to 1.5, and it's still aligned with homerow, and is nicer to click, and still not much in the way because of the thumbs' angle when hitting spacebar
https://i.imgur.com/B3PNceZ.png (updated)

[umbral crown]

how do you make these?

[wooden bluff]

ps (updated now to look better)

[tropic relic]

https://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-triangle-dancing-bouncing-gif-16626909

[onyx kernel]

triangle 180 flipped would make more sense, no?
i feel like i would slightly hit the triangle

[umbral crown]

The wooting minipad, defo not a ploy to get them to make the wooting numberpad

[wooden bluff]

updated this now with proper outlines for where spacebars meet triangle (need to post again so discord has this, because of potential imgur link break)

[tropic relic]

mana

have you ever used a split space board?

[wooden bluff]

this here makes it much better to use, without misclicking that middle button as you would otherwise, or be annoyed by it.

[tropic relic]

not the misclicking again 😭

[raw herald]

That triangle button tho, no thanks

I’m into the idea behind it

Gotta be another way without built in buttons or proprietary caps

[tropic relic]

everyone is designing split spaces without ever using it

[raw herald]

Maybe moving the center button down a smidge?

[crisp zodiac]

I go to sell my 60he v1 and wait for the v2😂

[wooden bluff]

it's ofc mostly a meme to display overall how silly it is to do a button the middle of spacebar (and even if removing that button, it still doesn't make sense to split spacebar, or there is not enough justification for doing it, for the one potential advantange you would get).
BUT ESPECIALLY, doing a very misaligned button like v2 has now.

[raw herald]

I’ve only used split in a fully split kb

[tropic relic]

it should be turned upside down 😭

[crisp zodiac]

How much will the v2 cost?

[raw herald]

Unknown

More than 60he+

[crisp zodiac]

For a keyboard it's really expensive

[tropic relic]

3 buttons is the advantage. I can press backspace (right spacebar) without leaving home row

[tropic relic]

around $225 I presume

[wooden bluff]

but it's annoying to type on, I want to feel more free when typing and using spacebar.

[raw herald]

Love this idea but I’d have to retrain myself not to space with right hand 🤔

[tropic relic]

have you ever used it mana?

[umbral crown]

home row is for plebs i just put my fingers on wasd and go from there

[crisp zodiac]

I have the 60he+ and it has already cost me €300

[tropic relic]

you use your right and left thumb for space too?

[raw herald]

Yes

[tropic relic]

I do that for gaming

[umbral crown]

i just do that all the time

[raw herald]

Yeah gaming obviously is only left

[tropic relic]

both shifts and the full width of the spacebar, you might be cooked brother 😭

[tropic relic]

imagine coming in with ur right hand to press space lmao

[raw herald]

Need to build my own board

(I won’t)

[tropic relic]

I have done that longest time but learning to not anymore ;)

[tropic relic]

custom layouts are fun, easy to do with mech

something like the dz60 supports every layout basically

[wooden bluff]

yeah maybe chat is right that it should be upside down, @grok is chat right

[raw herald]

Are there like off the shelf ICs for them at this point?

[tropic relic]

just really customizable PCBs and mutli layout plates

nothing like it for HE yet obviously (well just Rakka)

[tropic relic]

yeah but that isn’t without issue either. if it’s upside down it’d be hard to press from the front too. the triangle is more of a meme indeed than actually practical I think

[reef horizon]

Whether chat is right or not is up to personal opinion, and I am therefore unable to fulfill your request. As for claims of white genocide...

[wooden bluff]

chat is wrong, because exactly, it would be hard to press this button from like bottom. (but is still more aligned than 1.25 can ever be, and also easier to click than a 1.0 would be)
so in a way this is the perfect way to do it (or yeah with a knob, that is also higher than spacebar, so easier to turn etc).

[wooden bluff]

this is unironically very nice, but only if you actually have one or two very good uses for it. that most people just don't. (volume knob is not so important that you would have it there, must be something central to some activity or even job you do)

[tropic relic]

yeah, it can act like a thumb scroll wheel. very niche indeed though and kind of ugly imo.

[hybrid light]

wooting numpad would be so good

[tropic relic]

if you redesign the whole bottom row anyway, you can make the spacebars whatever size you like (preferably a size that does exist though)..

[tropic relic]

only the most upvoted thread in this whole server

which it has been for like 8 months now already 🥲

[raw herald]

Someday

[tropic relic]

oh damn

over a year already

[tropic relic]

🙏

[lucid trout]

Just buy 60he and use it as numpad

[tropic relic]

vertical 60he lol

[lucid trout]

[tropic relic]

[lucid trout]

Yes

[tropic relic]

which ow60 color did u go with btw?

[raw herald]

Cut it in half and you've got 2x 🧠

[lucid trout]

Black but i might send it for cerakote if keycaps dosent match

So i have grayish blue and gold

If i have enough money

I might swap strap thing to real gold

[inner tartan]

Gotta make a triangle shaped switch top too so that your key press can actually work

[tropic relic]

spent that much, might as well right? 😭

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic so technicly if i do everything i would have like 900€ 60he

[tropic relic]

mana loves proprietary

[lucid trout]

[tropic relic]

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[lucid trout]

Well i might have to contact some jeweler

[tropic relic]

oh no..

[lucid trout]

400€ for ow60 150€ for cerakote 200€ for 60v2 and 150€ for gmk keycaps

I have everything calculated

I only lack 60hev2

[tropic relic]

ow60 for only €400?!

your country has cheap import?

[lucid trout]

I have 40€ gift card

And technicly wooting still owes me like 20€

Because checkout shown wrong price

Lower

But i payed more

[tropic relic]

oh lol

they charged you more than it actually costs?

[lucid trout]

No on checkout it was like 390€

But i was charged 420€

[tropic relic]

send them an email

that’s odd

[lucid trout]

I never had issue like that

Thats why they had email like in seconds

@tropic relic most expensive wooting 60he on planet

[tropic relic]

it cost me 420 as well so maybe it was just a visual bug or something?

[tropic relic]

gold plate it

24k

[lucid trout]

430 with shipping -40€ giftcard

[storm snow]

How much do you'll think the 60 he v2 will be

Im gonna save all my money for one

[lucid trout]

Propably 200 € for prebuilt

[tropic relic]

$225

[storm snow]

What about if I wanted to mod

[tropic relic]

then you could get the module

[storm snow]

But I mean aluminum case already good

[tropic relic]

but the prebuilt seems to be a very solid option

[lucid trout]

You can mod as much your wallet allows

[storm snow]

Wait hol up

[tropic relic]

yeah

though it’ll be cast alu

bot cnc

cast can sound a bit like a bell depending on dampening materials used

[storm snow]

Oh yeah j dont like the way the case looks

And I prefer the flat case design thing

Over like

A rest

[tropic relic]

the I’d just get the module and a case elsewhere

[storm snow]

Yep

[urban finch]

Could someone explain to me the use of a triple space bar im lost on what the use is?

[storm snow]

Guess ill save as much money as possible

❤️

[storm snow]

Why even double space bar

Let alone triple

[tropic relic]

the middle button can be used as just an extra thumb button for gaming and productivity. the right spacebar can be used as a thumb button for your right thumb, I use backspace on mine.

[tropic relic]

useful ;)

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic it was worth keeping giftcard

[tropic relic]

where did u even get it from?

[lucid trout]

40€ is like three good pizza with delivery to me

[lucid trout]

80he v1

[tropic relic]

ahh

[tropic relic]

😋

[lucid trout]

Delivery is like 25pln

.@tropic relic do you have good italian pizza in your area

[tropic relic]

nah

I’m a new york pizza enjoyer tho

so np

[lucid trout]

In Poland they mostly sell classica but Polonized little bit

[tropic relic]

I have no clue what polonized is bro 😭😭

[lucid trout]

I mean made for our consumer market

[tropic relic]

polonized italian pizza 😭

[lucid trout]

Yes

[tropic relic]

different toppings?

[lucid trout]

Kinda

It is more in cheese

Than in toppings

[tropic relic]

ah

[lucid trout]

Well no italian mortadella tho

Though there are places selling italian classica

And it is basicly the same

Just diffrent cheese

And garlic sauce

We love pizza with garlic sauce

[tropic relic]

italians:

[lucid trout]

Actually

You can make good italian classica

And have sauces if people want it

And our medium pizza is like 40cm And big one is 50cm

Small is 30 to 32cm

@tropic relic

[tropic relic]

american?

💀

[lucid trout]

Do it your self

[tropic relic]

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic so how do you think

[raw herald]

@grok gimme these pizzas in freedom sizes

[tropic relic]

I don’t think, I sleep 😴

[lucid trout]

Medium is 16inches

@tropic relic

[tropic relic]

I get 25cm ny style or 30cm thin crust

never more

too much

[lucid trout]

It is too small

[spring stirrup]

17inch or you are weak

[tropic relic]

:(

[lucid trout]

I ate 23inch pizza alone like once

[tropic relic]

why u in poland bro?

[spring stirrup]

What do you mean alone

[tropic relic]

you’d like the us for sure

[lucid trout]

I ate entire 23 inch pizza

In one sitting

[lucid trout]

No i wouldnt

[spring stirrup]

shocking.

[lucid trout]

I prefer eating real food in Europe

[lucid trout]

But i've done it only one time

But it was definetly like 3500 calories

In one pizza

[spring stirrup]

That is unbelievable, I thought 16inch pizza was like massive for one person

[lucid trout]

Well looks like Americans have to keep up in pizza

@spring stirrup but whats important we have like real pizza

So it is not that filling

[raw herald]

Uh?

[lucid trout]

Due to chemicals you get in food

[raw herald]

tf is this kid talking about 😆

[lucid trout]

Pizza

[raw herald]

I grew up in NYC, I'm familiar.

[lucid trout]

Well isint like American food filled full of chemicals sugar etc?

[raw herald]

Some is, not all.

[lucid trout]

But still

[raw herald]

But still what?

[lucid trout]

American food is unhealthy

[raw herald]

Some is. You guys don't have unhealthy food?

You just talked about housing a full pizza brother.

[lucid trout]

We call it kebab

[raw herald]

Maybe step back before talking about another country's cuisine.

[lucid trout]

I was really hungry in that time

[lucid trout]

What cuisine?

Corn bread?

[raw herald]

Fuck you ❤️

Idiot.

[lucid trout]

Corn bread is definetly American

I heard it is good tho

[tropic relic]

european superiorist, we’re not all like this I swear! 😭😭

I sleep for real this time

gn peoples

[lucid trout]

Well what is actually American cuisine

Like proper cuisine made in usa

[tropic relic]

bbq

[lucid trout]

Excluding bbq

[tropic relic]

:)

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic

[twin cedar]

Yo what will the cost for the v2 wooting yall expect to be?

[inner tartan]

A little more than the V1 but no exact price has been announced

[lyric coral]

Is that for just the module or the prebuilt?

If its the prebuilt that would actually be better value since it's aluminum case vs plastic

[inner tartan]

🤷🏻

[opaque depot]

to some it is, to some it's not, I'd prefer a plastic case honestly

[lyric coral]

I also prefer plastic cases, but metal cases are a lot more expensive.

[livid crater]

will there be a seperate 60 HE v2 module ?

[whole oak]

Yes.

[livid crater]

nice

[heavy tiger]

Will there be an Alumaze60 V2 as well 😛 ?

[whole oak]

No need. The 60HEv2 is compatible with existing cases.

(And comes in an Alu case as stock, no more plastic case)

[heavy tiger]

Is the stock case as good as the Alumaze 😄 ?
(Asking because I have an Alumaze and I dont know if I should keep it for the module here)

[sinful plover]

Depends what design you prefer

[whole oak]

Alumaze is a fancier case. The stock case is more... utilitarian? I guess might be the word.

It's essentially the plastic case but in Alu.

We will offer the 60HEv2 as a Module, for those who want to upgrade existing 60HE boards, or if they prefer a different case to the stock alu one right away.-

[tropic relic]

Split spaces too?

[tropic relic]

Cast Alu for the stock case. I presume the Alumaze will sound a bit nicer (or easier to get sounding good at least).

[tropic relic]

A split space Module too?

[whole oak]

Yes.

4 SKUs.

ISO, ANSI, and both in split and non split configs.

[tropic relic]

8 SKUs is something else.

[wooden bluff]

do this instead of the split SKUs

[tropic relic]

[vast dagger]

using a spacebar size not included in any keycap sets will be sure to go down well

[wooden bluff]

perfection requires short term sacrifice (but also Wooting would include one extra for free of your choice (out of like 6 most common colors/styles of the spacebar), and you can choose to add more of these 6 in your order for very cheap)
then a bit later some third party manufacturers would follow. and also will just become possible to order some custom ones after a while. and you can also use some of the ones you got from wooting to DIY your own style spacebar

• wooting would do more keycap sets for this than for the other ones they have done

[timber nimbus]

a full proof plan for sure

[rotund lotus]

A keycap mold is in excess of $100,000... We don't commission them for fun

[vast dagger]

I'm sure third parties will pick that up too

Just have to get GMK to make new space bars for their old sets

[winter cedar]

What are the sizes of the space bars on the slip one? 2u and 2.5u ?

[tropic relic]

2.75 and 2.25

so 2.75 - 1.25 - 2.25

[timber nimbus]

he means the one in reality, not the made up one

[tropic relic]

😭

[quaint schooner]

Ey so I just have to sign in for this keyboard ? Put my email and wait ?

[tropic relic]

yeah, Q4 2025

if everything goes right

[winter cedar]

2.25 and 2.75 are the standard for split space keyboards, so we are good with 3rd party keycaps as well

[winter cedar]

Circling back on this, I believe I already shared this feedback: a one time commission for molds for all different keys to have all languages available as kits extending from a default ANSI

Pretty sure they would sell, even with markup price

[sinful plover]

Wtf is this discord

[timber nimbus]

that's a lot of less popular language kits you'd have to sell to get back in the green

[winter cedar]

So a one mold could actually make kits for dozens of languages

But the kits would be just a few keys.

Extending from the ANSI original layout

I would pay half a keycap full kit for the 4/5 keys to make my native language

So as would anyone else for sure

[wooden bluff]

how is a keycap mold so expensive, and also like in China? hard to believe really.

[sinful plover]

Precision injection molds are expensive

[tropic relic]

it’s a mold for all keycaps, not a single one

[wooden bluff]

yeah still

[tropic relic]

like a 100+ key mold

exp af

[timber nimbus]

that's before you include the other stuff on top of it too

making an entire keycap set is not cheap

[whole oak]

Because precision and durability. You have to reuse this mold thousands of times over and over without losing quality.

[tropic relic]

I think child kits for woot’s keycaps would cost around the same for them. it’s still another SKU (though with significantly less keycaps of course) but still.

packaging too

[wooden bluff]

ok, but like that kb only has like 1 novel keycap, all others already existing, and can be like combined together. it's just hard for me to believe especially in China that has a lot of expertise in all this (already has a lot of infrastructure for all this).

[vast dagger]

Well yeah you take the same thing but do it in another country and it's not 100,000 it's 500,000

[tropic relic]

a single keycap mold is nowhere near that price but I don’t know how feasible that would be (or if the factory even does that).

obviously if a single keycap molds would cost nearly 100K, we wouldn’t see it done ever.

looking at GMK and KBDFans for example

[wooden bluff]

i'm not talking about single, read what I say - that even if not single it shouldn't be this expensive - like they already have all those molds, etc. there is just one novel mold to make pretty much.

[timber nimbus]

i don't know what to tell you - molds are known to be expensive

[vast dagger]

Well if you want to know more you can check out https://youtu.be/7yDpuL6WBFg

[timber nimbus]

hence why a lot of less popular niche keyboard stuff is super expensive, they have to pay a lot for the entire process of a new thing being made

that's before you get into the fact you're now stocking entire new sku of things in your supply chain which adds to cost

[winter cedar]

I just think there's an opportunity there. It would be something no one made. Taking benefit of economy at scale. Even if some keys would sell less, and the packaging costs on a per language basis, it would still be viable

[timber nimbus]

what language exactly were you looking for btw kazuza?

[tame elm]

If you want keycaps on a specific language, based on experience, it’s cheaper to buy a whole ass keyboard with the keycaps already installed and then pull them out.

Try finding PBT double shot keycaps in Spanish iso layout. Almost impossible.

[winter cedar]

Not one specific. The mold would allow multiple language additions to a base layout (be it ANSI or ISO). I use ANSI and PT-ISO

[timber nimbus]

yeah i don't mean your idea

i mean for you personally, because that seems to be the driving force behind the idea

so spanish keycaps then?

[whole oak]

It's the wrong shade of white/grey/black/blue/wiffany

[winter cedar]

Yeah I can't find any keycaps for PT, that's why I buy mostly en-us ansi

[tropic relic]

what was the latest keycap set from woot?

[winter cedar]

I live in Europe and I'm starting to abominate ISO

[tropic relic]

double shot FR?

[winter cedar]

I know someone at wooting is happy about that 😁

[tropic relic]

ASNI-UK ISO is the main set

[whole oak]

Optimum?

[tropic relic]

I mean new layouts, mb

oh not french yet

[vast dagger]

French

[timber nimbus]

yeah french is the one they said was in the works didn't they

[tropic relic]

yeah

thought it was out already

[tame elm]

Portuguese is sadly not a big enough language to justify costs… the potential buyers are probably less than 100… you need to develop things that are already quite niche, and then go niche-ier…

If Spanish is already hell and it’s top 3 most spoken language… others are going to have it more difficult

[rotund lotus]

Demand must come before investment

[timber nimbus]

you need to put it as a quote to be more effective

"Demand must come before investment" - Tupac

[winter sentinel]

Mr Akbar more famous than tupac thanks put some respect on his name

[rotund lotus]

Gosh I hope not

Someone ambushed me in the hotel lobby just now though

[spring stirrup]

It was me

🌹

[oblique pendant]

Lmao

[rotund lotus]

Shoulda said so, would have showed you the tikkens

[spring stirrup]

💔

[wooden bluff]

btw for this, you only need 1 PCB (because ISO and ANSI would/should be the same (but non-flexible like some others, since that has drawbacks)) (1 SKU).
it's also cool that ISO would get the big left Shift with this and ANSI the big Enter, all in same PCB (like a cool and unique purchase for everyone). Since it would be a kb with focus on Gaming, and marketed as such, it wouldn't have this stigma of getting used to a few new key placements.

(i have a kb/pcb zoom75 that can be both ansi and iso, and I have exactly big left shift and also big enter, and it's pretty cool)

[sinful plover]

I will demand to see the tikkens at gamescom

[tropic relic]

if they were capable of simultaneous multi-layout support, they would have done so for the split already. Before I said the most difficult part was this specific split (2.75 - 1.25 - 2.25 or mirrored) but that’s not really true. It’s impossible without compromise. Simultaneous ANSI and ISO support is possible and without compromise but it really threads the needle.

[timber nimbus]

reminds me of my zoom75 where one stab had to be installed slanted because it fit both iso and ansi in the same pcb

[tropic relic]

yeah, with magnetic switches more is possible (compared to hotswap mech) but something like the this split requires creative solutions.

[wooden bluff]

bruh, I didn't say this, I said the exactly opposite almost, that it will be just that what you see, non-flexible. Only big left Shift, and only big Enter on 1 SKU.

[tropic relic]

like cutting off a switch’s mounting pin, if I say so myself 🤣

[tropic relic]

oh, so fuck every ANSI and ISO user basically

even more attractive

🫠

[lapis birch]

ugly
And good luck getting keycaps for it

[wooden bluff]

Simultaneous ANSI and ISO support is possible and without compromise
no it's not possible without compromise. there is just a lot of inconveniences with this, having to rotate some enter switch in 90 degrees, backlighting could look not as good, seeing like the gaps etc.

[earnest marsh]

we are gonna show it at COE which is before gamescom so they will surely also be at gamescom

[tropic relic]

It is possible, without compromise.

Which means it isn’t achieved by rotating switches (which shouldn’t ever be done).

[lucid trout]

Going to gamescom is cheaper tho

[grim glen]

???

so they will surely also be at gamescom

[earnest marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[winter cedar]

The overlapping of ISO and ANSI ENTER key is a nightmare on any keyboard

Yes, I millmaxed a non-hotstwap 'gaming' keyboard

[tropic relic]

Now with PCB mount stab support ;)

That’s the main conflict

[winter cedar]

They use coaster

RoG 😁

[tropic relic]

It’s not bad

[winter cedar]

It's horrible 😁😆😅

[tropic relic]

With just plate mount support it’s pretty easy

[tropic relic]

It’s really not man haha

[winter cedar]

I'm spoiled now 😉

[tropic relic]

Yeah lol

[winter cedar]

Now imagine having to place HE sensors and not just hot sockets

[tropic relic]

HE sensors is easier

HE sensors with LEDs isn’t hard

but tricky

[winter cedar]

Don't thing so. Needed more paths/vias

[tropic relic]

LEDs have quite a wide range of where they can be placed and still illuminate perfectly fine.

[tropic relic]

Of course

[winter cedar]

Sensors being SPI need 4 connections (not rgb leds)

[tropic relic]

Also another layer

impossible without

[winter cedar]

So the cost would go up

[tropic relic]

yeah

[winter cedar]

Wooting is 4 layers already I believe

[tropic relic]

This is as well

but with LEDs

prob 6

[distant mulch]

people are crying about the LEDs on ISO enter already, anything placed more random will explode their heads

[tropic relic]

Anywhere within the light window of a switch of course, so not entirely random.

It’d prob look better if the LED was placed entirely below the switch for ISO enter

though people’s heads might explode then 😂

[wooden bluff]

is it that hard to fix, just apply a more reflective coat to the back of the Enter (I guess after it's been double shot though).
but you can also regulate maybe individual key brightness noˀ, don't remember

[tropic relic]

It’s not hard to find solutions for any of these conflicts, as many have done already. Offsetting and/or rotating components (like ISO Enter’s sensor and the LEDs) resolves almost everything.

[wooden bluff]

but what has wooting said about a fully flexible iso/ansi pcb. they probably have different views on this and more issues arising than you etc.
remember I guess they not being fond of this idea.

[tropic relic]

They haven’t said anything afaik.

They have many talented people, I’m sure they could do it and maybe they have tried already.

Perhaps the yield is way lower with a very complex PCBs

[wooden bluff]

just do the big Shift and big Enter, non-flex, how I suggested - it's unique and cool, and would be marketed etc 'for gaming'.
there is no drawbacks for most people that would buy this, and keycap sets often have iso and ansi keycaps etc., for those few that would want to modify it.

[tropic relic]

I think the people that want that layout can be counted on one finger bro 😭

This might be something for you?

ROG magnetic split keyboard

[wooden bluff]

bro, my idea is a great layout, especially for gaming. and it also has only a couple keys that are RARELY used on some different spots, there is no issue with that at all.
normies don't even think that much about layout as this extreme bubble of a server does.

there is no measurable functional drawback to my layout, only positives.

[tropic relic]

a great layout for you! like my layout is for me. :)

[wooden bluff]

again - normies don't think in such weird dogmatic ways.
normies are the 90%+ customer base.

[spring stirrup]

[wooden bluff]

a great layout for you! like my layout is for me. 🙂
but it also IS a good layout for you, if you play games that require a bit more keys and just want a nicer experience overall. you just seem to not be able to internalize the functional benefits of that layout.

[timber nimbus]

surely if all the normies want your layout you can find some people to support your idea and wooting would listen

[wooden bluff]

wooting are extreme keycap conventionalists, prioritizing keycap compatibility way too much, instead of actually doing a much more perfect layout for gaming, and setting some new standard, at least with a few third party keycap makers etc. but would also have opportunity to sell more keycap sets themselves for this.

[lucid trout]

Wooting prefer modding options than being like razer or logitech

Without keycap options

[timber nimbus]

personally it looks to me like you just decided what you personally want, then somehow made that to mean everyone else agrees with you outside of discord - despite no proof of that anywhere, then said wooting should make it despite massive drawbacks to cost, pr and alienating entire segments of their customer base

then added some quotes on 'perfection needs time' or some other nonsense and said you're right again

[wooden bluff]

Wooting prefer modding options than being like razer or logitech
but don't you see an issue here - you're putting the cart before the horse - you're modifying subpar layouts, when you should first make a superior layout, and only after modify it.

[quaint schooner]

rakka right?

[timber nimbus]

there's literally no evidence anywhere at all that your idea has any traction among anyone besides yourself and just saying "normies agree with me" doesn't have anything behind it

[lucid trout]

I like my standard ansi tho

[tropic relic]

ofc

[quaint schooner]

sad they can't make it 7u spacebar

6.25u only

imagine 7u and full right shift bro

i will praise that board

[tropic relic]

I completely agree with you that standard ANSI is a subpar layout (it’s fucking ancient). To change that requires a lot of sacrifice though.

[tropic relic]

Altus:

[lucid trout]

Actually it is cleaner and better than iso

[quaint schooner]

hasn't been released right?

i might cop the pcb tho

[wooden bluff]

like kbs obviously weren't designed for gaming at all, and you see this just everywhere on almost all layouts today. it's just such a shame that we have so few ACTUAL gaming-focused layouts. that solve actual real gaming needs, not some maybe 1 need, but many in the same layout.

[tropic relic]

Both ANSI and ISO are completely dogshit when it comes to ergonomics.

[tropic relic]

Not yet, still in development.

[lucid trout]

Because any language can be adapted to ansi layout with easy alt gr layer

[lucid trout]

What is gaming focused layout acording to you

[timber nimbus]

it's a layout that he specifically wants for gaming

and no one elses preference matters it seems

[wooden bluff]

the one i did for example, solves a lot more of gaming needs than like anything else on the market #🤩│wooting60hev2 message

[quaint schooner]

tsangan fits the best on me

[timber nimbus]

if a company made niche keyboards with these sorts of layouts they'd go out of business with their 'perfect' keyboards because the market for it is so niche and small

[tropic relic]

You can have any layout on Altus basically, so it’ll be good.

[lucid trout]

It looks ugly ngl

[wooden bluff]

no it doesn't

and more importantly it has as lot of useful things for gaming.

[timber nimbus]

they'd 'challenge the industry with perfection' until they go out of business from lack of sales and spending so much on making this rare keyboard format 1 person wants

[quaint schooner]

yep that's the reason, idc about rgb...
stepped capslock is lovely as well

[lucid trout]

You can always make your own hall effect board

[tropic relic]

ugly doesn’t matter really, people will find most layouts they haven’t seen before ugly.

[lucid trout]

[tropic relic]

Yeah, the detachable daughterboard too.

[oblique pendant]

where link

[lucid trout]

I think this layout should be ortholinear Alice and split 40%

[wooden bluff]

people look at markup colors on a keyboard-layout-maker site, and judge from that: "it looks ugly" 💀

[sinful plover]

Holy based

[tropic relic]

https://rakka.dev/news/rakka-60-v2

[oblique pendant]

oh, I thought it's a brand, lmao

[tropic relic]

Rakka:

[lucid trout]

I know, i know it is best layout possible

[quaint schooner]

bro,
now go make ur own pcb and sell it...
show us how much superior is your perfect layout

[tropic relic]

Ideas are worthless without execution and execution is aimless without ideas.

🥲

[wooden bluff]

bro, you all literally misunderstand it, because you spend 1 sec thinking about this and then comment. This is literally a great layout for gaming - if you only read what I said and thought for a bit about it.

[quaint schooner]

you have the idea, now make it a reality by making it your own

[oblique pendant]

Rakka 60 Atlus, hmm, don't think I'll grab it after 60hev2 was announced since v2 itself has the type of split spacebar that's just right for me.

[wooden bluff]

but this is not just for me though, that would also benefit so many other people

[spring stirrup]

Dude make a feedback post, people are literally leaving the server after reading your essays here about unimaginable layouts

[quaint schooner]

rather than wasting ur time here making long messages where wooting won't make your own "perfect layout" since it's not for everyone

[tropic relic]

Too harsh, he’s a passionate individual and I respect that.

[sinful plover]

I refuse to believe this whole thing isnt bait at this point

[tropic relic]

Arc left for a different reason.

[lucid trout]

@wooden bluff that's how people think about you rn man.

[timber nimbus]

nah arc said he left because of this lol

[lucid trout]

Whos Arc

[tropic relic]

Don’t you press space with your right thumb?

[tropic relic]

[spring stirrup]

No, he left because of this. He wanted tsangan layout and some people here have audacity and request 4u and double 2.5u spacebar layouts

[oblique pendant]

Yes, for rhythm game.

[quaint schooner]

wait really?

😭

[sinful plover]

Tsangan 60he v2 would have been epic

[tropic relic]

Out of disappointment.

🥲

[quaint schooner]

but it's not for everyone tho

[timber nimbus]

if you were here remember back to the 80he arrow debates and you'll find it less surprising

[quaint schooner]

and i know why it's not gonna become a reality for now

[wooden bluff]

not saying it's completely perfect, just saying it's ofc much better for gaming especially than current, and also much better idea for the 60he v2 PCB #2 than the misaligned, with too big 1.25 key in middle (means just would be even more inconvenient to use spacebars), and also overall just needless split spacebar (no matter how they would do the split).

[quaint schooner]

since it's not for everyone

[sinful plover]

Split space also aint for everyone

At least tsangan has broad keycap support

[tropic relic]

Kinda crazy how he kept his name until this day.

[lucid trout]

Agreed

[quaint schooner]

make the message on feedback bro, stop making notifications that is useless for people rn...
not everyone is gonna buy the split spacebar, most likely people will purchase the normal spacebar version

[oblique pendant]

yesh

[sinful plover]

I hadnt joined the server at the time

[tropic relic]

Split space too, just requires a child kit.

[timber nimbus]

probably for the best. Imagine this conversation but nonstop between him and aligner at the time for hours every day

[sinful plover]

Doesnt even need that most of the time

More than half of my gmk sets include split space caps

[wooden bluff]

my idea actually addresses many especially gaming-related things - wooting's split spacebar idea doesn't really fix much at all, it's mostly even a net negative.

[tropic relic]

LOL

Drama queen man

Not for hours

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic aligner can you tell me more about American cuisine

[tropic relic]

one hour at most

[sinful plover]

So… the same thing that is happening rn?

[lucid trout]

[timber nimbus]

oh no this is far more tame

[quaint schooner]

make it here
https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1141096226884956181

[sinful plover]

[tropic relic]

I am not from the US, never lived there.

[lucid trout]

[quaint schooner]

pizza

[lucid trout]

Forgot

[lucid trout]

Thats italian

[quaint schooner]

there is a new york style bro

don't make new york people angry

[lucid trout]

So it worse italian Classica?

[tropic relic]

I wouldn’t say a net negative but it doesn’t seem thought through at all.

[oblique pendant]

at least it means it isn't as egregious

[quaint schooner]

yes

HAHAHAHHA

[timber nimbus]

i think cause before aligners idea at least had some traction behind it

[tropic relic]

back then it was like 5 different people too

[timber nimbus]

this time around there's no traction so there's no real debate to be had besides manabank repeating that he wants it personally

[tropic relic]

it actually got changed!!! 🥰🥰🥰😍

[lucid trout]

Well atleast Poles know how to implement Classica to market while keeping classica style

[timber nimbus]

yeah i thought the way they were debating it was annoying and spammy but at least aligner had a real idea with traction and a fix behind it

this current one with the 2.5/4u stuff is just a nonstarter because it will never see the light of day

there's just numerous issues with the entire thing to begin with and the only justification behind it seems to be "i want it and it would take courage to challenge and make perfection"

it's like some apple presentation where they try to tell us why removing some port is courage

[oblique pendant]

Like removing the headphone jack

And making 2.5u split spacebar.

[lucid trout]

Or why it took them years to implement widgets

[tropic relic]

0.01rt, switch selector, customizable deadzone 🙊🙊

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[timber nimbus]

i don't think they're ever adding the 1st or last thing

goes against their whole way of doing things

[tropic relic]

the first I can understand if they can’t get it stable enough but the last is ridiculous if they don’t (bottom and top deadzones at least).

[timber nimbus]

we already know they chose the auto deadzone philosophy

so unless they change their mind on that i don't think we're getting customizable deadzone

it's just going to be the auto calibrated version

[tropic relic]

it’s a flawed self nerfing philosophy. not everyone likes a small deadzone at bottom out. having to set your overall deadzone higher to get there is just crazy imo.

[timber nimbus]

shrug i'm not really debating for or against it, just saying why you're likely never getting that option

[oblique pendant]

I prefer how wooting does it, with venom I sometimes got keys that doesn't work and need to do manual calibrate.

[timber nimbus]

yeah there's certainly reasons for wootings path with it too, i don't think it's as cut and dry as one is straight up better than other

there's some preference at play there

[wooden bluff]

started talking in wrong channel #🔧│keyboard_modding message
anyway don't interest to talk about all this now

[tropic relic]

a customizable bottom deadzone doesn’t affect calibration in any way. it just allows you to increase the deadzone while keeping the RT deadzone the same. so if you play a game where you have to hold shift for a long time and can’t let go. a larger bottom deadzone would eliminate (nearly) any accidental releases.

accidental releases causes by shifting your finger for example.

[crisp zodiac]

Will it really be better than v1?

[spring stirrup]

Better than v1 in every single aspect

[quaint schooner]

yes

ofc

hell yeah

no worries

100,000,000.00% yeah

[hoary trout]

Better than V1 Stock, if you alr Mod ur Wooting the only thing might be the Polling Rate

[quaint schooner]

don't forget split spacebar

[hoary trout]

Its a Option but yeah also that

[wooden bluff]

but wait again here it says "Split spacebar option", and it's ambiguous in same way i've seen it other places. as if you get it on same pcb, could be thought of.

you will probably see both versions on checkout and learn then

[tropic relic]

yeah, maybe “comes in a regular and split spacebar version” is clearer?

[inner tartan]

I think he is confusing option vs optional

[tropic relic]

I can see how it can be understood as being optional rather than a separate product when worded like that

[whole oak]

Variant and Option both being used for the same thing is kind of confusing I agree.

It should be split spacebar VARIANT, if it's screw-in stab on all VARIANTS.

[devout violet]

even as someone who genuinely uses the most sensitive settings on some keys, I don't see the need for custom deadzones. The option would be nice to have between custom and auto, but I don't find it necessary

[rotund lotus]

The split spacebar pcbas are physically different from the regular, with each ansi and iso having a split and not split pcba

Combining all four variants would be an engineering marvel, we've not found a solution to this puzzle that doesn't come with substantial concessions

[tropic relic]

A switch with shorter mounting pins and in a different color for 6.25U and 1.25U. This achieves optional split space, ask Simon. Simultaneous ANSI and ISO support has already been done and is being done with LEDs as well though it hasn’t made it to production yet (so it’s understandable if Woot doesn’t). Are the current 60HE v2s (and layout options) set in stone? Or similar to the 80HE at launch, where it was set in stone but also not really? 😅

The “proprietary” switch doesn’t mean 3rd party switches won’t be compatible. It means those who already plan to mod it (changing out the switches) will have to trim the mounting pins of one 3rd party switch for 6.25U/1.25U (easier and less risky than installing a switch into ISO Enter). 😃:thumbsup:

Mounting pin functionality is not affected in any way.

[rotund lotus]

Set in stone? Yes.
Can stone be chiseled? Yes.
Is this likely to be done? No.

[tropic relic]

🫡

[rotund lotus]

I am no expert when it comes to hardware design, but I know that the experts do intend to produce some content that describes why they made the choices they did

[tropic relic]

I’m aware, just don’t see how it’s worth 4 extra (imo unnecessary) SKUs (and on top of that a crazy commitment from the customer). It’ll be interesting to see which reason(s) they give.

[quaint schooner]

Will it be the Best Comp Keyboard ?

[rotund lotus]

Yes

[ashen patrol]

amen

7u sb we pray

and split rshift

[crisp zodiac]

I will save and take the V2

I'm in a hurry for him to go out 😂

[devout violet]

You know how the 60HE v2 spacebar has 5 lights for the full sb? what does the module look like with split spacebars?

1 LED per key?

[blissful anvil]

Will the v2 or the module ship only with the split silicone and foam plate foam? Or will it also come with normal full foam and full silicone for non friction fit builds?

Also will the module come with the tape?

[whole oak]

Module and prebuilt are identical, just no case, switches or keycaps

[lapis birch]

Both 60HE and 80HE have, so v2 will most likely have too

[tropic relic]

Most likely. There’s little room between the stabilizer housing and switch so I doubt there’ll be a fourth and fifth LED between there.

[sweet ibex]

can we get a 80he lite

[whole oak]

You can have an 80HE Mini (The UwU)

[sweet ibex]

okay ty ill take it

[worldly lake]

so excited for new 60he

had my current 60he since 2023 n kinda wanted a refresh

[wooden bluff]

I guess I found like the only salvageable way to use the v2 split bar version (especially for ISO users):

• Use left spacebar for spacebar, almost always with left thumb.
• For typing, use middle 1.25 key as Shift with very often just the right thumb (because ISO left shift is too far away for nice homerow usage (it's much easier to press it with right thumb and also type something with other right hand fingers)).
  • you still have the the LShift for shortcut, text manipulation etc purposes.

• Use right spacebar for Backspace, almost always with right thumb.
• Current Backspace becomes Del key (would then be nice to include special Del keycap for this key).

of course there is still like muscle memory issues to consider.

(should be included: some blank keycap for RShift, or with W logo or something. And also a RSpace keycap with Backspace symbol. And extra 1.25 Shift keycap for iso and ansi)

[lapis birch]

Keep both right and left spacebars as spacebars
Use Caps Lock as Backspace (and vice versa)
Using middle space as Shift is just awkward and uncomfortable to use

I don't understand why there should be a change just for the sake of change
v2 looks very good as is already

[lucid trout]

It is his third day

Advocating for his layout

[quaint schooner]

bro wants a refresh💀

[lucid trout]

60he+ was refresh

[quaint schooner]

why was the strap changed on the v2

[lapis birch]

Because some people didn't like strap on v1/+
So now it's optional

[quaint schooner]

no I mean the actual design on the strap

[worldly lake]

this is a better refresh

[quaint schooner]

in my opinion the “take control” was more tuff

[worldly lake]

glad i waited

[worldly lake]

sure do, i like my peripherals new

[lapis birch]

Ah
No idea

[quaint schooner]

bro wants a refresh

[worldly lake]

interesting fella u are

[wooden bluff]

this is more of a refill not refresh

[worldly lake]

i guess

[spring stirrup]

It is a refresh 👍

[wooden bluff]

refill with fresher water

[vast dagger]

well what hasn't been updated on the v2

[worldly lake]

regardless of what it is, i will be buying it

[spring stirrup]

Everything has been improved on the v2

How is it not a refresh?

[bleak hamlet]

No o ring

[spring stirrup]

People wanted 8k polling and better stock experience and they got it

[wooden bluff]

wooting's extreme keycap compatibility conventionalism 💀

[vast dagger]

so something the v1 didn't have either ok

[tropic relic]

If I may remind you and point out the fact that 2.75 - 1.25 - 2.25 doesn’t exist, I believe there to be a reason for that. 👀

A change for the sake of ergonomics is what I’d call it.

[bleak hamlet]

“The mounting system”

[wooden bluff]

but wait, do you even realize what I said though - that layout would not change at all, just basically adding more keycaps so it looks better when you choose to do it that way.
(since you can rebind keys)

[timber nimbus]

i need to open a keyboard polymarket and take bets on neither of these 2 layout suggestions happening until hell freezes over

become keyboard billionaire

[vast dagger]

Well anyway brand new MCU supporting True 8K polling, new Aluminium case with friction mount (first time it's been a pre-assembled option) new tikken switches, new FR4 plate, strap is now optional and a split-spacebar option - seems like enough changes to call a v2

[bleak hamlet]

Will the v1 cease to exist

[tropic relic]

If they can say fuck everyone that wants to use the right spacebar comfortably. They can say fuck everyone that wants to use RShift comfortably and make it a 64% 😉

[timber nimbus]

your suggestion is just the reverse of saying 'fuck everyone who prefer the left handed dominant' one. It's just a preference and you keep presenting your side as fact

[spring stirrup]

After v2, 60HE+ wont be sold

[vast dagger]

not saying fuck you to anyone since regular spacebar is still an option maybe the 12 people who use split space bar currently

[bleak hamlet]

Yea figured as much

[tropic relic]

It’s not, one is ergonomically, factually, unarguably better as it offers a bit to both which is why you see one and not the other.

[bleak hamlet]

Anyways should have gone for tsangan layout

[timber nimbus]

as many many of us have explained to you, not everyone is doing ergonomic 2 handed gaming majority of the time

[worldly lake]

strongly debating getting split spacebar

[timber nimbus]

we get it. You want a layout favored towards ergonomic 2 handed usage, but just as many people are happy with the left handed gamer dominant usage too, and just as many or more don't care either way

[tropic relic]

You want extra space on your left thumb, that’s fine but you’re the minority and shouldn’t really be considered. It’s the same as Woot making mana’s layout and people saying that it isn’t really good for most.

[timber nimbus]

am I in the minority?

you made the suggestion in mod keyboard and literally everyone explained they like extra space for left thumb when wasd gaming

you were actually the only person who kept insisting that your way was the correct way just because in non gaming it's used more

[lapis birch]

I mean it's a gaming keyboard first and foremost

[timber nimbus]

exactly.

[tropic relic]

Your point is fuck everyone that wants to use the right spacebar comfortably. My point is both can be used reasonably comfortable and Woot should cater to the few that want a larger left space by sacrificing the entire right one.

[tropic relic]

You are. If you weren’t, that layout would exist.

[timber nimbus]

your evidence is in non gaming circles it's popular

i'm sorry but again - literally everyone in mod channel was for the bigger left side section

[tropic relic]

and precisely for that reason is 2.25 on the left better as well, for everyone using WASD as your hands shifts over by 1U to the right.

[timber nimbus]

except you

[tropic relic]

Both gaming and regular boards.

[spring stirrup]

2.25 wont be comfortable for me, sometimes I might touch the edge of the keycap

2.75>

[timber nimbus]

if your suggestion was more popular you'd have more support behind it like when the arrow gate happened.

[tropic relic]

It’s a non argument really.

[timber nimbus]

you can call it a non argument but who is actually backing your suggestion?

[worldly lake]

my thumb would be dead centre of 2.75

seems perfect to me

[tropic relic]

Every split space user that exists basically.

[timber nimbus]

except the ones in this discord apparently

[tropic relic]

i.e, those who have used it.

;)

[timber nimbus]

we get it, you prefer a more ergonomic model that fits double handed usage better, and the rest of us prefer one that fits wasd gaming better without 2 hands on keyboard

[worldly lake]

and if you were to be left handed and right side keyboard bias, wouldnt lp colon comma be a better hand position?

[wooden bluff]

the truth is - it's just an overall misstep to do any of this (no matter how you align in) - but my way to order the keys is what salvages things, especially for ISO users. now Wooting should get aware of this, and also mention it somewhere and include those extra keycaps - so something will be salvaged at least.

[tropic relic]

I get most don’t care for the right space bar but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be considered.

[timber nimbus]

sure, but maybe the way to get support for it isn't telling everyone who disagrees that they are using split wrong and your way is superior

[tropic relic]

Numerous people here use it as space and hopefully quite a few would want to use it as something else on a split space board.

[timber nimbus]

go for it - campaign for your layout, but constantly telling everyone who prefers it the other way that they don't matter just because you don't use your keyboard that way is silly and will get you nowhere

[tropic relic]

That’s not what I’m saying. Again, one exists and the other does not. One sacrifices all space for the right space while the other does not.

[timber nimbus]

one thing existing doesn't mean it was due to your reasoning

[tropic relic]

I do expect people to want to use both spaces.

[sinful plover]

Smh just stop fighting and let‘s all agree to petition for tsangan instead

[timber nimbus]

you just took that as evidence and backward matched it despite that not being the case

[sinful plover]

Maybe split ergo too

[tropic relic]

This is a pretty crazy statement.

[timber nimbus]

not really - split keyboards weren't designed for wasd gamers to begin with

[tropic relic]

One question, you press space with your left thumb right?

[timber nimbus]

yep

[tropic relic]

You think you’d prefer 2.75 space over 2.25 for comfort right?

[timber nimbus]

you're making a huge logical jump from 'this wasn't designed with this usage in mind therefore it's bad'

[tropic relic]

We’ll get to the point in a bit.

[timber nimbus]

not think. I know. I've used split before

stop being condescending just because you disagree

[inner tartan]

I'll be voting to only produce a single space sku again and if it's too late to remove split skus, make them rare and upcharge for them.

[oblique pendant]

aww, no 1 million scanrate?

[tropic relic]

Alright, you know. Now if you were a person who pressed space with their right thumb, as many are. What would your option be of the 2.25u right space?

[lucid trout]

Ngl hall effect split ergo alice and ortholinear 75% with knobs would be best keyboard

[sinful plover]

Make it thocky marbly

[timber nimbus]

you're not understanding my point. I'm not saying your way of using it is wrong either. I'm saying this particular implementation is favored towards wasd position gamers at the cost of 2 handed space users - and that's fine. Not everyone layout has to fit every usage

[tropic relic]

I’m not, I’m trying to explain it in a different way as I was unsuccessful before, clearly.

[sinful plover]

You could argue that one extra button to press while wasd is better

[timber nimbus]

yes we all understand your point. That you think the current layout screws over 2 handed gamers who press space with right hand

[lucid trout]

Is it wsad or wasd

[timber nimbus]

but the point everyone else is trying to make you understand is that this is okay and not necessarily against what wootings idea of their implementation of split is supposed to be

[tropic relic]

Exactly, it sacrifices everyone that wants to use the right space bar comfortably. That we agree on, and that is my point.

[lucid trout]

There are one handed gamers that use keyboard and mouse?

[timber nimbus]

yes - and we're saying that's fine because maybe this implementation being aimed towards wasd gamers is okay for wooting - a keyboard gaming brand

[tropic relic]

That is the reason why 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 split exists, because many use the right spacebar regularly (for space or backspace or whatever else).

[timber nimbus]

yes and no one is taking that away from you - the 2.25 style is better for your usage

no one disagrees with that

the 2.75u first style however seems to be favored by a lot of us who use wasd and like the extra space, and that's okay too. One format works better for one party and another for another party.

[tropic relic]

My point is that Woot is catering to the few rather than the many with this. Basically saying fuck everyone that wants to use RShift comfortable. The 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 split, offers both comfort (taking this from numerous board including a popular gaming keyboard and a year of experience).

[timber nimbus]

you keep saying 'few' but there's a lot of wasd gamers

[tropic relic]

That in my opinion, isn’t the right way to do it. Which is why I’m suggesting changing it.

[timber nimbus]

in fact a lot of gamers who are using their keyboard one handed

[timber nimbus]

yeah your opinion is basically that you want the reverse - screw everyone who prefers the other style because they don't matter as much in your opinion and they are using the keyboard wrong

which comes off insanely obnoxious

[lapis birch]

I dunno, 2.25 would seem awkward to use as left spacebar
And there would be middle spacebar missclicks
I keep my thumb between V and B while gaming, so I'd prefer 2.75 left
Meanwhile, while typing I have my right thumb right under <, so 2.25 would be good there

[tropic relic]

In regard to that, one more question. Do you find 2.75 more comfortable for gaming, or when typing (i.e on WASD or homing.

[timber nimbus]

for both actually because i'm left hand space dominant due to how i favor my left hand

when i use the 2.25u space split i get typos from time to time pressing wrong side

[tropic relic]

Quite the opposite as you can see from the numerous boards out there already and the overhangs compared to the homing row. 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 factually offers a beter balance between the two. I’m saying fuck the few that wants extra space for their right thumb basically.

[timber nimbus]

yep that is what you're saying and it comes off insanely obnoxious when a lot of people are telling you that they prefer the extra right thumb space.

but you do you, i've said my piece

[tropic relic]

There’s quite a bit of space difference when you offset your hand to WASD, so if it’s comfortable for when you’re on homing, it can’t really be any other way than that you’re reaching for the middle key when on WASD if that makes sense?

Unless you tilt your keyboard of course.

When gaming.*

[tropic relic]

I think the same could be said for you and some others here.

[tropic relic]

That’s fine and fair. I understand that completely but it sacrifices the space of those that want to use the right space bar. So you being uncomfortable with 2.25 on the left, is even worse for those on the right if that makes sense.

It’s a though balance.

If Woot is okay with that, they can (and should) do 64% as well.

As that is the peak of gaming layouts. Especially the R2 offset.

[wooden bluff]

bro, you must stop with your horrendous takes - they belittle some good takes you have xD
like Right shift not being needed - is just objectively wrong - because of how shifts are used by especially homerow users - it's very annoying to use left shift and typing with other left fingers at same time (my way of using the split v2 does fix it a bit (just that most will still not like it, muscle memory etc)).
R2 offset is an objective negative.
your 64% kb also has other annoyances, like not being able to easily home into the Fn key (just don't try to cramp everything into a 60% size - this size exists mostly for gaming purposes - other bigger sizes like 65% and 75% expand on what kb should be used for)

[whole oak]

You both have hot takes. And you need to come to terms with not agreeing on this 😄

[tropic relic]

You’re right, I’m sorry mana.

[quaint schooner]

please, u should also stop with ur horrendous takes..
make ur request and such here!!
https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1141096226884956181

[tropic relic]

horrendous game recognizes horrendous game ig

😭

[oblique pendant]

Good to see a lot of layout talk though

[tropic relic]

woot is one for controversial layouts, that’s for sure

[oblique pendant]

Just realised, if you put big knob on 80he, it almost has the same amount of key as 75% board

[lucid trout]

@tropic relic @wooden bluff both of you stop. Split ortho linear ergonomic alice 75% With two knobs is only good layout. So you are both wrong

[tropic relic]

funnily enough, both mana and I agree with that LOL.

[lucid trout]

I dont think so he does

[tropic relic]

With ortho he does but we have quite different opinions on making the best of the worst layouts. 👀

[lucid trout]

I just combined all the worst in custom keyboards

[tropic relic]

You should try ortho honestly

[lucid trout]

No

I wont

[tropic relic]

😩

Ortho hater!

[lucid trout]

As display piece? Maybe

[tropic relic]

(without even trying it)

[lucid trout]

Because i couldnt

Due to my disability

[tropic relic]

Mb, I forgot..

[wooden bluff]

yes i plan to make a suggestion there soon (but the suggestion that doesn't change layout, just adds extra keycaps and advises Wooting to do an awareness campaign about this way of using the split v2 version (this way more people will also like it and buy it))

[tropic relic]

Awareness campaign sounds like something banks do after they fuck up really bad.

[lucid trout]

It is too political

[wooden bluff]

because current way it's ending up being advertised is "look at this misaligned mess, we don't even know how you can use it in some nice way, and there is no extra keycaps to make it look and function better some other way".

like so with this split way it's common to use the right split for the Backspace right (for the few people that use it) - but then do we get a special nice Backspace keycap for this? (and since Backspace is now there, we must have another version of the current Backspace keycap - that should be Del key I guess).

[wooden bluff]

updated to 2 Shifts for both ansi and iso - 1 for typing (middle) and 1 for shortcuts etc (left).

[reef horizon]

mana is like a mythical creature that comes out every new keyboard announcement to make horrendous layout changes

[opaque depot]

so instead of just letting people program the keys how they want you want Wooting to dictate the way to use them?

[reef horizon]

nonono trust that is way better fs

[wooden bluff]

because now there is 2 spacebar styled keys - but it's all misaligned, and you can't really use both as spacebar. you will use another for like Backspace - but then you don't have the needed keycap for it.

instead they could do a JIS-like and it would be just significantly better than this, just still with big RShift and also moving switches and caps around on bottom row, so Alts are next to Spacebar, and arrow keys are functioning as they do in current. With JIS ansi LShift and iso Enter.
my "perfect" suggestion was already very close to this and jis.

[tropic relic]

There ya go. 👍

[sinful plover]

not ortholinear or split

nor iso

try agin

[lucid trout]

@sinful plover no alice

[tropic relic]

who needs all that when you have big knob?

knobs

knobbing

moreee

[reef horizon]

just make every key a knob???

like what are we doing here guys

[tropic relic]

big knobs

dialed in

cuh

no way mana 💀☠️ing me

[reef horizon]

make every key a 2x2 knob

knobting

[tropic relic]

knobtopia

[hoary trout]

how on iso

[tropic relic]

Exactly that but with ISO Enter and shift.

[opaque depot]

why can you use both as spacebar? why can't you use one as backspace and just not have a special cap for it? what if you want to use one for caps lock! now you don't have a cap for it so it's clearly unusable?

[wooden bluff]

it's just very nice having special Backspace key for spacebar (but also you need two of them, for each half if you desire). Backspace is just the most common use of it.
but all the rest should be thought of as well, like current Backspace would become Del and you need keycap for it too - and also Wooting would do a whole video about this layout option, to popularize it, and also this way encourage more people to buy this variant.
at blank ones like that should be included.

like how does what I say not make sense? you can't just drop some misaligned split spacebar also with a key in middle and just be done with it, with not a word about potential usage - much more responsibility follows with this. especially if they want to sell more of them.
why can't they make a video saying how you can use this in different ways (or at least this most common other way).

[reef horizon]

you’re making a whole lot of assumptions here

they keyboard isn’t even released yet, relax

given wooting’s track record im sure they’re going to make plenty of videos on the 60he V2

also this layout is meant for the people asking for a split spacebar, people who likely already have uses in mind

[wooden bluff]

weird people seemingly don't even care if extra keycaps will be included? At least blank ones for like Backspace and both spacebar halves.
and would be nice with one extra iso LShift to replace the middle key with and have 2 shifts this way, like described (used with right thumb to type with both hands) (because iso has bad LShift typing experience).

[tropic relic]

blank ones? how are the spacebars not blank already?

[wooden bluff]

2 spacebar styled - one of them is Backspace - a bit weird don't you think? being the most common way people use split spacebars - especially since misaligned, meaning weird to use space with both.
And you forgot then needing blank or something current Backspace when you bind backspace to one of the bars and want to use this for something else?

[lone sail]

Wooting knob when

Why not have it on the side like Logitech :(

[candid solar]

We just need wootpad

[tropic relic]

Not weird at all and I’m not sure exactly what you mean. That they are convex (which is preferable)?
Misalignment when reasonably balanced is perfectly fine to press with both thumbs. The only way to fix misalignment is by changing the entire bottom row or proprietary keycap sizes (which isn’t gonna happen).
Split space with split backspace is preferable. Backspace is the most common bind for the extra spacebar so there’s no need for a backspace key. Also, for 3rd party stabilizer support, if there’s no split backspace and split shift, people will need to buy two stabilizer sets if they want to swap them out. On 64% (with backspace) you can get away with just buying an extra 2U wire but not with the regular 60% layout.

[pulsar sequoia]

w

[inner tartan]

You can add the knob anywhere you want, it's hotswappable unlike logitech

[lucid trout]

Is it possible to have 104 knobs on two he?

[inner tartan]

You can do anything you want.

[earnest marsh]

expected Q1 2026

[lone sail]

HE knob

[earnest marsh]

yes

[winter sentinel]

how a he knob gonna work are we fr 😭

[reef horizon]

hall effect potentiometer?

[lone sail]

RT knob

[lucid trout]

Magnets

[winter sentinel]

let me activate my knobs tachyon mode i need my gaming knob

[lone sail]

It’s for the copy paste spam

Make a macro so every scroll it does ctrl v and enter

[winter sentinel]

yk good idea for this wooting server

aint no slowmode in this channel

[hearty lava]

knob

[reef horizon]

woaj

is that a white case and strap I see?

I rlly hope they make white knobs

[hearty lava]

Or silver

[spring stirrup]

It will be a headache choosing between silver and white cases

[inner tartan]

haha those all suck but I did like the kissing

[spring stirrup]

[inner tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[spring stirrup]

Optimum case is also an option 😳

[hardy wadi]

youre not wrong 😭

knob on esc key looks good

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[spring stirrup]

If only optimum case had different color options

[hardy wadi]

can we replace gigachad emoji with thock father head and call it something like thockchad?

[hardy wadi]

where did you find this picture?

[inner tartan]

I'm in favor of this idea

[quaint schooner]

is this the wooting 60he v2

[midnight basalt]

that looks just like my photo 😂

anyway I’ll add some photos here if you guys wanna closer look

[lone sail]

If the optimum set was black ong would cop instantly

Alas I have my alumaze and amazon blackout keycaps

[inner tartan]

It is yours!

[midnight basalt]

i’ll get more later when I swing by the booth again😄

[inner tartan]

You da best!

[vast dagger]

Jealous of that signed case

[devout violet]

WASABI hows it going man

[midnight basalt]

😅

[midnight basalt]

i’m all good!! gonna take the train to the convention soon

here are some photos from Yesterday

[devout violet]

looks awesome

hyped to get my hands on the new wooting gear!

[oblique pendant]

Looks soo nice

[tiny path]

Just take my money already

Lol all the teasing

[lunar minnow]

new wrist rest

[lucid trout]

Can you spin knob for us?

[lucid trout]

Yes it is new wrist rest

[slender plank]

[timber nimbus]

Hi @midnight basalt - my friend @spring stirrup wanted to know what Sony camera and lens you use for those photos

[vast dagger]

Looks like a a6700 and if I had to guess a 16-55mm F2.8 G lens

[visual flame]

the knob that goes on the 80HE square is so unbelievably cool and i love it

altho i'm not exactly sure why it needs until 2026...

[earnest marsh]

But what is your high score on Switchy Commits Tax Fraud?

[rotund lotus]

147

Rouhan got 149 and I can't beat it -_-

[timber nimbus]

Rouhan is our greatest asset for a reason

[rotund lotus]

Truth

[timber nimbus]

Glory to rouhan and all that she touches

[vast dagger]

Let me lock in

[slender plank]

[hearty lava]

Knob + split spacebar = 🤩

idk why peoples complain about split spacebar. Maybe they don’t know the possibilities it can enabled

[wooden bluff]

Major reason is just muscle memory being messed up if binding like Backspace etc to it. (many use different kbs/devices interchangeably)
Second, if you bind backspace there must addition blank or something keycap for current Backspace included, and also really another styled one for this new space-backspace.

also btw who swapped Fn an Ctrl on those non-split versions on photos xD

Wrist rest does slide, so attaching it is very nice yeah. (or like the kb slides as well, so attaching them together they act like same bigger mass and kb sliding is also fixed, or mitigated a lot - oh yeah it's gonna be zinc, much less sliding already if any)

[vast dagger]

we did it

45g duhuks are not it for this game

[whole oak]

I feel a lot of it comes down to the curves you set.

[earnest marsh]

"not it" 158 is the 2nd best score ive seen

[vast dagger]

2nd best guess I gotta lock in again

[tropic relic]

Not about split spacebars in general, rather about this specific split. The people that have actually used split spaces before in here can be counted on half a hand. The current split is unergonomic and therefore hinders the possibilities, that’s what the complaining is about. ;)

[hearty lava]

Yeah I can accept the unergonomic thing, I think it’s also personal preference. Coming from custom mech keyboards, i prefer having more keys in small form factor (here is 60%).
It allows me to map more macros, and less hands movement for combinations

[tropic relic]

Same, that’s why I use 64% instead of 60%.

[opaque depot]

unergonomic and impossible to use since is 2.25-2.75

[tropic relic]

The only split more ergonomic would be 2.5 - 1 - 2.75

[opaque depot]

i have no idea what that image means

[tropic relic]

Read the bottom left corner.

[hearty lava]

That’s perfect. Just bring me back the the 2U right shift 😅

[tropic relic]

Yeah, 64% isn’t really for people that use RShift. It can have an RShift but it’ll sacrifice the arrow keys and put “?” all the way to the right side. :/

Now if you were to unlearn the use of RShift.. 🙊😂

[wooden bluff]

Ban and nuke "64%" in any of its forms from this server, no joke

[hearty lava]

Arrows are just inputs, you can bind it everywhere. Even on the right mods

[tropic relic]

You can, yeah. I personally prefer dedicated arrow keys though. I find something like mod tap too sluggish for how often I use arrows.

[hearty lava]

Before v2 announcement I was looking for HM66 or waiting for the new Rakka just because of that split space

[tropic relic]

Holy this guy

I’ve used the HM66 for quite a while and waiting for the Rakka Altus too!

[sinful plover]

i will be one of 5 people buying ISO with split space

[tropic relic]

🥰

[hearty lava]

Maybe 6. I’m a former ISO user and I found this hobby I switched to ANSI. Now idk which one I prefer 😅

[hearty lava]

I know when I see a man with good taste

[sinful plover]

i use ansi sometimes but i cant leave my home (giant enter)

[wooden bluff]

people have to use ansi or iso just because there is no jis-like kbs with big lshift and big enter. In fact 60he v2 pcb#2 should have been just that, a jis-like, with 4.5 spacebar. and still a big rshift. (Alts next to spacebar)

[sinful plover]

should have been tsangan

[oblique pendant]

Should've been numpad

[hearty lava]

I hope next update will be on software, specifically MACROOOS

[spring stirrup]

No

[tropic relic]

That has been the most requested thing for years now. I doubt it’ll happen though as Woot doesn’t want macros on their board.

[whole oak]

Hardware macros? No.
Software macros? Yes.

[tropic relic]

Fusing of Wootility and Wootomation too. :(

[whole oak]

Yes that's what I'm referring to.

[hearty lava]

Software macros, I can live with that but merge those 2 apps

Wootomation has limitations: only 3 modifier and 1 normal key…..

[rotund lotus]

Full size best size

[tropic relic]

Full size gets no love from Woot.

[rotund lotus]

Wootamation doesn't require a Wooting keyboard

[spring stirrup]

UwU best size

[whole oak]

I don't disagree though. If we ever do an 100HE, I'd drop my 80HE for it in a second 😄

Numpad for all of those olde timey games.

[rotund lotus]

You can win an UwU at Computex if your score on Switchy Commits Tax Fraud is high enough

[spring stirrup]

😳

[hearty lava]

Yes that’s cool for peoples discovering macro.

But having this possibility to use TGL with macros, Mod tap with macro (on hold) and more will be a big W

[wooden bluff]

but numpad should be on the left side tho, to not interfere with mouse etc. so numpad is better than full

[vast dagger]

full size gets no love in general - ask Geon to make one and see his response