🌟│wooting80he

[wispy trellis]

is there something like a blueethooth device for sound adjustment? like a advanced knob with bass and so on?

maybewith something cool i don't even miss a knob

[tight cypress]

[upbeat berry]

will only be a keycap issue due to different row height

but yes the top 3 home cluster keys are usually never used except printscr for taking screenshots before win10

[tight cliff]

Yes but there's the option for those that need it

[tight cypress]

Oh yea, haven't thought about that

XDA time

[vestal stump]

Thats some kind of idea 🙂
I can bind 'pause' match in QW to "P" from "Pause" button instead

[tight cliff]

Can also e.g. MT keys to get more functions out of them

[vestal stump]

Is it possible to assign 2 functions to one button that change when you press the Mode button, for example?

like Fn key in laptops

[tight cypress]

Sure, there are up to 3 Fn Layers

[tight cliff]

e.g. this

[tight cypress]

We need Depth-sensitive Keys
Similar to DKS, but it measures how deep you've pressed the key before releasing it, and presses only that key for given depth

[valid comet]

i found the 80HE to have the perfect layout for me at keast for now, its smaller than a regular TKL

[valid comet]

interesting

DKS update?

[tight cypress]

Would be pretty cool
I wondered if you could put a whole 60HE into UwU given all profiles, Fn layers and so on, and thought about this

[vestal stump]

Thanks for info/help guys. 🍻

[tepid adder]

Hi Wooting Team, I love this 80HE Concept. I have a question: Is there an onboard memory installed? So i could use the 80HE without installing or use the software on a different pc?

[tight cypress]

Yup, that's one of the main features of Wooting keyboards

Configure once and forget, that's why there's also web version of software available https://wootility.io/ so you don't need to install anything

[valid comet]

8MB i think

[limber lava]

its interesting that the 80 HE has the arrow keys so much closer to the shift/ctrl keys

also, the left arrow key goes under the shift key

[tight cypress]

We had a... um... pretty heated discussion about placement of arrows

[fallen epoch]

Democracy

[tight cypress]

Meanwhile me:

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[jolly tangle]

[valid comet]

it uses a standard 6.25u bottom row and im thankful for that

[idle depot]

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-sunny-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-it's-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-devito-gif-6070683544899901781

[humble cargo]

I use arrows all the time just using the OS

[fallen epoch]

Arrows are fun

[lime aspen]

For anything I need arrow keys for I just hold fn

The only time it's ever slightly annoying is in the bios

[humble cargo]

don't you people ever edit sentences/text

[hushed sinew]

all the time, the only way to use a 60% is modtap for the arrows

[vapid storm]

no

[lime aspen]

Ofc, of which I just hold fn

[humble cargo]

I find it so much worse having to do that on the regular, slows things down

[lime aspen]

Not really an issue for me

Pinky on fn 3 other fingers for arrows, it's not really any different for me

[acoustic jasper]

negative space is cleaner than all scrunched up keys

[zealous oak]

I'm going to enjoy my raw zinc wooting

[wispy trellis]

it looks actually good but honestly instead of raw they could hafe make it polishedor bushed

the downside i see its hard to mx and atch with mouse

[lime aspen]

Dark led bar looks so good

[humble cargo]

isn't dark vs light led bar just a question of dimming the led brightness

[lime aspen]

I thought it was 2 different shades for the plastic over top

[idle depot]

It is I believe

[idle depot]

^ yeah it’s this one

[wispy trellis]

it is and im sure a lot hate the dark one me too..

[valid comet]

would be nice to have 2 LED bars, one dark and one light for every board

[idle depot]

Wonder if they are screwed on glued on

If screwed then both being included would be nice

[valid comet]

yeah that would be nice

again I domt hate it but I prefer the light bar

dark bar is mid imo

[quasi crater]

agree

[stiff cove]

i heard the V2 switches come pre lubbed same as the first gen, do you guys think i should get the lube kit and apply more or does it come good enough from the factory? we're talking about a potential 42€ save

[fallen epoch]

Try them with the factory lube first, then make a decision afterwards

[lime aspen]

Hand lubed is better but try it unlubed first if you are on the fence

[stiff cove]

im asking this now to prevent extra shipping fees, cause everyone says lubbed is better but since ive never tried it idk if im missing out

i didnt lube my 60HE when i got it with the V1 and they are ok i guess its not like i have anything to compare it to

but since the 80 is coming i just thought that might aswell get the set and prevent extra shipping

[lapis galleon]

see if you like it stock then buy lube later

if you end up liking the board stock you’ll save the money of the unneeded lube kit

[valid comet]

i am waiting for my 80HE Black Zinc Alloy, but i also wanna get my a 60HE+ Black Alumaze and UWU Stealth

just because Wooting is so awesome

[wary abyss]

How bad is #4 in this video? Cuz I like the sound of it

https://youtu.be/EAW_vD0BzgM

[valid comet]

does it sound like a fart or slop

or a flop

[wary abyss]

Watching the video would give you a more accurate description of the sound than me trying to describe it with words

[valid comet]

Is the accent on the Alumaze made of brass?

[obtuse wagon]

Correct

[valid comet]

ooo sick

[obtuse wagon]

Wonder if plans to make other colors for it is still on the table 🤔

I know some in the community have wrapped/painted it

[valid comet]

i think?

[fallen epoch]

Hope so

[valid comet]

for now I'm happy with Black

[drowsy laurel]

when will the 80he get shipped with air freight?

[merry spoke]

when they start making them LOL

[drowsy laurel]

wasnt it early august?

[shadow plover]

anyone know where to find the dev blog for the wooting 80 module customizability and what comes with it etc

[glossy plume]

Hey why does youtube updates channel not have the new vid out?

[valid comet]

I just remembered that the 80HE has a "mode button between F12 and the nav, what does that do out of the box

[valid comet]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kSCcVL1qAik

hope that helps :)

[shadow plover]

Thanks! Do you recommend any key caps other than wooting

[valid comet]

well I am pretty new to this myself but I can try and help in any way I can

tell me is there an aesthetic or colorway you are looking for?

[shadow plover]

Dark green preferably

[valid comet]

good question

#🔧│keyboard_modding @shadow plover

[small rune]

This looks great.

[valid comet]

incredible teal color

reminds me of the Boog75

[shadow plover]

im going with the raw zinc alloy case

[valid comet]

That sounds very nice :)

I hope you enjoy the 80HE!

[spark heart]

These caps look interesting: https://kbdfans.com/products/mv-t3rminal-gmk-cyl

Also these if you’re going for a tactical look: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=122302.0

[mellow remnant]

Will wooting60he 8k polling rate be produced?

[spark heart]

no

already mentioned before. 80he will be the only 8k

[buoyant solstice]

We currently have no plans to redesign our existing keyboards for 8khz 🙂

[daring axle]

i think they said that to do 8k on the 60 he would require aditional hardware to be installed and that there isnt really space in the 60 as is. so probably too much work to get it on the 60 than it would be worth.

[meager halo]

8k polling already sounds crazy

[lime aspen]

It literally makes no noticeable difference

[severe merlin]

Yo!

When is the Wooting 80HE Module assembling tutorial coming out?

I was told there was going to be one.

[fallen epoch]

Should be out a bit before or around when the first batch ships out i think

[severe merlin]

Ok.

[fallen epoch]

So around August

[severe merlin]

So they’re arriving in August?

[fallen epoch]

For the first batch yes

[red heart]

first batch is august

[severe merlin]

Oh.

[buoyant solstice]

In time for the first customers to see their orders ship.

[red heart]

if you order now itll be second batch

[severe merlin]

I ordered during the campaign.

[meager halo]

Does adding springs or a wristband to my 80he order cost more shipping?

Wrist rest*

[severe merlin]

Also, how can I claim the 80HE Founder role if the email I ordered with wasn’t mine? (It was my father’s, I’m 14.)

[buoyant solstice]

https://help.wooting.io/article/79-transferring-ownership-of-an-order
You would have had to have placed the order during the campaing mind.

[severe merlin]

I did.

Order during the campaign.

Could I just make a Wooting account with my father’s email and then claim the role and switch the email to mine?

Or is that not possible?

[pseudo parrot]

yea sign up first using your fathers mail and also create your own account using your mail

then just follow the link mansen sent

[errant torrent]

will the 8k polling rate on a keyboard have the same issues as on a mouse?
in apex, league, valorant etc it can cause troubles on a mouse if you go higher than 1k

[buoyant solstice]

Depends on the game. In theory, sure. In practice you won't be able to tap keys fast enough.

[errant torrent]

i think you misunderstood :c
i meant in some games it makes the whole game lagging if you go higher than 1k hz

[buoyant solstice]

Yes - Because you're constantly sending updates.

Because you're moving the mouse around.

[errant torrent]

i see
so this could happen on a keyboard with high pollingrate too? or not, because you dont have as many "updates" as on a mouse

[severe merlin]

What are the chances of it coming before September?

Guaranteed?

First Batch

[midnight iron]

It doesn’t really happen on keyboards because mice function differently to keyboard

[errant torrent]

i see, thanks to both of you

[balmy raptor]

someone knows where I can found black transparent keycaps polycarbonate?

[buoyant solstice]

Meaning what exactly? Plastic that is slightly smoky black see through? Or black keycaps with backlit lettering?

[balmy raptor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_xtfMy6TyA

like this

[toxic zephyr]

I think akko has similar ones

[buoyant solstice]

You uh... you linked a set that does exactly what you're asking for? 😄

Ah they appear to be out of stock for good. Guess I should be glad I got the purple ones in time.

[balmy raptor]

Yes it's out of stock :c

[dark cargo]

where is the update video!!!!!

[buoyant solstice]

Uhhh... hours ago.

As in YESTERDAY

[fallen epoch]

[dark cargo]

O

[lapis galleon]

we need a new update every day!!!

[jolly tangle]

the people have spoken

[dark cargo]

true and i need an ETA of my package to be today frrrr

[icy cosmos]

I added 7 zink alloy case and still got the same cheap shipping cost within a EU member country. Not sure if you’re outside the club.

[buoyant jacinth]

Today's update: See you tomorrow for tomorrow's update about the next day's update about the next next day's update

[oak jungle]

LOL

[fallen epoch]

Finally, the peoples wishes come true

[valid comet]

i wonder how the latency of the 80HE will be? like not the polling and scan buffer thats completely different, but the actual latency itself

compared to the 60HE+

[magic pulsar]

well, it'll be faster but not by a noticeable amount

it'll be a minimal increase

[valid comet]

aside from polling

i would join but I cant

at work cant vc

[magic pulsar]

the actual latency will be minimally faster

again, it won't be noticeable if you are already running the 60HE, this was mentioned previously by Calder

[valid comet]

I suppose this latency value we are talking about is just PCB that we are talking about, not scanning or polling buffer included

60HE+ PCB vs 80HE PCB

[magic pulsar]

yeah, I mean it still isn't going to make a major difference whether we talk about scanning / polling included or not - it'll be a marginal difference either way , the improvements come from 8k being a possibility with the enhanced board

[oak jungle]

who knows maybe they will

[tropic quest]

1.8 (60he) minus .75 (polling rate improvement) probably

and then round down a bit from optimizations here and there + beefy mcu

lowest wired latency i see on rtings is .8ms fwiw. i think wooting is aiming for #1, so 1ms to a bit below .8 ms is expected

[oak jungle]

well we wait the sep and we test it by ourselves

[lucid karma]

The standard deviation Id think might go down. But then I don’t think it can be exactly derived as who knows what will be different on the side of processing and everything when it’s 8khz

[tight cypress]

I just wonder how did you came up with 1.8-0.75

[lucid karma]

That’s actually also a good question

[dull ivy]

When is August coming?

[barren shard]

In 3 month.

[dull ivy]

When will 3months pass?

[zealous oak]

In about 90 days

[dull ivy]

thank you for answering

[valid comet]

where did you get this

[tropic quest]

rtings

thats 60he (said 80 by accident)

[valid comet]

but is their response time end to end or is it sorta like ghe XLAT method

[grave garnet]

Considering placing an order for an 80HE… One thing: after you place a preorder, is it possible to cancel it via just a few clicks on the website or does it have to go through customer service (which is likely overloaded if I had to guess)? Basically asking if something changes during those 3 months I’d have to wait that changes things and ideally I don’t want to mess with slow manual customer service

[buoyant solstice]

Gotta email us to cancel, we respond within a couple of business days right now.

[tropic quest]

i think they smash a key and measure from monitor, idk exact method

[valid comet]

I wonder if my order is pending because of I ordered it on a saturday?

[valid comet]

Youre gonna love it

[grave garnet]

That’s something I don’t doubt at all, just the 3 month wait is a bit rough but oh well it is what it is

[valid comet]

its rough but makes it all the sweeter

[jolly tangle]

thats a problem for present you

but future you will be happy

[valid comet]

true

[thorny void]

the white zink alloy on the desk in the latest video look sooooo sick!

[zealous oak]

I reaaaally liked how the raw zinc was looking in the last video

[hard vale]

what lasted video

[zealous oak]

The one uploaded yesterday

Or the friday I can't remember

[jade widget]

Raw zinc

[oak jungle]

yeah looks soo good I'll order it '

[zealous oak]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-that-right-there-you-said-it-youre-right-you-got-it-gif-17668393

[fallow spire]

You can make a cancel request through the hub, then it also puts the order on hold.

[valid comet]

Hi Calder hows it going?

[frozen flint]

cant wait for my 80he

[grave garnet]

Thanks for the reply. Sounds good. I’ll definitely be getting an 80HE at one point or the other. One thing I haven’t seen addressed in any of your videos by the way, is if you are planning on open sourcing Wootility. It would increase value of the product considering - no offence at all intended by this - you are a small company so it’s always in theory risky to rely on proprietary software if the company disappears (don’t get me wrong, I wish you guys stay around for a very long time)

[nova nexus]

No plans to open source Wootility, while we value transparency and openness, one of our strongest competitive dimensions is our software and our firmware. That said, if you are a software tinkerer and want to build cool things using our keyboards, we have published our analog SDK. I'm fairly certain that component is open source, and available on our GitHub

[buoyant jacinth]

I'd like to add there is also a public RGB SDK alongside the aforementioned Analog SDK

[grave garnet]

While an open source release would be awesome due to it lowering the inherent risk I mentioned, your point does make good sense. It’s not exactly a secret that most peripheral software from the major players is straight up horrible (Armoury Crate and the rest; some less offensive than others but nothing is really good from the big companies running proprietary software)

[tender night]

hello, is there some videos shows that what the difference between the sound of pcr case and the sound of zinc case? i wanna update my case to zinc case

[jade widget]

A little scuffed comparison but its the best we have atm
https://youtu.be/kSCcVL1qAik?t=304

[icy cosmos]

I am conflicted by your comment. If you’re saying most of the companies out there makes shitty software, this makes wooting utility a “USP” (unique selling point) . Making this open source would hurt the business. How can that increase the value? With that said, there are companies that makes their “end of life” products open source, like Logitech Squeeze box. A bad example would be Sonos, by ending support for a merely decade old systems. In the world of HiFi a decade is just passing the entry to be called a quality product.

Try asking that question to Nintendo 😅. Clapping down on every open source emulator project nowadays.

[tight cypress]

Don't say "Nintendo" and "emulators" in one sentence, you'll get doxxed in an instant by fanboys to Nintendo lawyers

But yeah, I do agree, inherent risk is already as low as it can possibly be without open-sourcing Wootility, as the app itself can be run in a web browser, and only access to your PC's innards is through WebUSB

[wispy trellis]

actualy thats one intresting point - what makes wooting stand out?

imho its first that competitors tried to steal the idee they never went as good as wooting. And in the end although ideas like rapysnappy wich is great for fightinggames
So wooting managed simply like Apple with the iphone to hafe a great product and although the competitors know how to steal didnt manage it as good as

[oak jungle]

coz they are just copying what's popular that's why they are lame no one will buy from them but dumb fk ppl which we know that there alot of them

[lilac marten]

I love using nintendo emulators, i play using them every day

[coarse gulch]

You will soon realize that people don't really care who made what originally, people like good products or good marketing.

In the case of Wooting, plenty of keyboards are using good enough HE switches to "close an eye", but the problem is their software absolutely sucks ass (and Wootility is definately not sucking ass)

[minor lance]

Would be great to see an alternative white case anytime soon. The zinc alloy is a little bit too expensive for me.

[coarse gulch]

Wait for it to be released and you'll find plenty of third party cases, it's still way too early right now the keyboard is not even in production

[lime aspen]

I wouldn't say plenty but I'm sure some will come over the next year or two

[icy cosmos]

I think people do care about who makes what originally.
Why els would there be such a huge market for counterfeit sneakers, watches etc. People are greedy, they want the best possible product to the lowest cost.

[coarse gulch]

The reason for counterfeit is that people assign to a particular brand a level of product quality.

[icy cosmos]

So are Supreme boxed T shirt better quality than Nike or Target? 70% branding 30% quality.

[coarse gulch]

That's a different discussion of "faking" product value trough marketing, it still has no relation to IP ownership

[icy cosmos]

We´re talking about people caring about who makes what.

[coarse gulch]

You don't buy supreme because they're the original company, you buy supreme because of societary standards

[icy cosmos]

IP ownership is not software open source...

[coarse gulch]

No we're not, we're talking about people caring about who INITIALLY made what.

[coarse gulch]

This quite literally says "They will fail because it's clearly a copy and copying is lame"

Which is not reflected on people's opinions of products, the original inventor is irrelevant

[dim sierra]

In a year china copies might be on par with wooting ngl

[lime aspen]

They are already really good hardware wise

[icy cosmos]

Wooting is made in china?

[lime aspen]

They just don't have software as user friendly/good as wootility

[upbeat berry]

like basically almost all electronics

[coarse gulch]

In a year? Don't google Keychron xd

Unfortunately for the wooting team, the only thing defending your products from plagiarism is constant innovation.
And tbf wooting does constatly innovate

[icy cosmos]

I know, that´s why its a quality asurance 😉

[lime aspen]

I mean tons of people already buy the shittier clones

[dim sierra]

Nah not talking about keychron, china has many different copies. Most recent ones are made68 or sth

[lime aspen]

Tons of them eventually switch over because wootility is simply better than anything anyone else can produce

[coarse gulch]

No I know, but I'm pointing out that comparable quality products do exist, right now.

[lime aspen]

Wootings big difference is mainly wootility and the community

[upbeat berry]

i personally wouldnt call keychron comparable in quality from what ive seen

[lime aspen]

This too^

[upbeat berry]

they are ok but i think they still need a year or 2 to cook up smth comparable

and if we start talking OEM HE boards (what drunk deer and looting and such use) we need to double that time or even triple it

[dim sierra]

Currently i think almost all are similar, wooting has slight edge on software and customisatio.

[coarse gulch]

I haven't tried either the Q1 HE nor the 80HE, but keychron is pretty well known for it's hardware quality and it seems that they managed to copy Wootility's features in a pretty convincing manner too

I'm not saying it's superior (I wouldn't be here if I thought that), but comparable is fair IMO

[upbeat berry]

and from day one we said that hardware isnt the magical part. hardware for no keyboard is the magical part

100% of keyboards set themselves apart through firmware and user software

[dim sierra]

Keychron is what i call the entry, the most basic and budget option to get u into the kb scene.

[jade widget]

Keychron has a lot of variety but in terms of quality there are better boards now for less money

[upbeat berry]

what we tried to do is really dig into what firmware can still do and what other switch tech can do since most companies focused on traditional mechanical switches and just upping the polling rate but not really trying to maximize the existing 1kHz space or investing into optical/magnetic switches

[dim sierra]

But china kb tech do be catching up, they make such nice sounding kb for so cheap in just 1-2 years time.

[coarse gulch]

Custom boards, sure, but Keychron is more on the pre-assembled market than custom boards

[upbeat berry]

not to mention making a configuration software that isnt bloatware

[dim sierra]

Yeah i do like web apps, hate downloading softwares 💀

[lime aspen]

I'm fine with software if it's good

[coarse gulch]

webapps with HID drivers are the best thing Google has ever given us

[lime aspen]

Id rather good software than a web app

[upbeat berry]

even our downloaded software is only an HDD hog... no constantly running background stuff eating hundreds of mb of ram alone

[lime aspen]

Isn't it only like 100-200mb anyway

[upbeat berry]

around 200-300

[lime aspen]

Yeah that's nothing

[dim sierra]

Yeah i just like fewer things running so i always disable lots of apps

But fking armorcore just keeps running 💀

[coarse gulch]

Same, I don't miss the days of GHUB + Razer Synapse + ICue + myasshole

[dim sierra]

Asus mb app, i hate it

[lime aspen]

Yep I never install that shit

[dim sierra]

I disbale razer manually under services, i only run ghub because of mic software.

[lime aspen]

Armoury crate is the literal worst

[upbeat berry]

even the background service we hinted at sometimes will be opt-in and then minimal ram/cpu usage

[quasi crater]

steelseries app is some of the worst shit ive ever seen

[dim sierra]

I uninstalled it and it still exists

[coarse gulch]

What will the service be used for?

[upbeat berry]

mainly managing multi sdk access for rgb as currently only 1 app can access the rgb sdk.

and maybe audio visualizer effects etc

[coarse gulch]

It's a pain in the ass to completely remove, just like the bs audio app of modern Realtek audio chips

[lime aspen]

Mine still exists but never runs/needs to be setup

[jade widget]

I'm talking about other prebuilt options like nuphy, Monsgeek and Yunzii

[coarse gulch]

Understood, thanks

[upbeat berry]

we do want people to have the rgb effects that other configurators have but they do need to run on the pc and the background service would fill that slight gap

[dim sierra]

Yunzil and rainy is the current hype

[tight cypress]

A separate service/daemon maybe then

[coarse gulch]

Yeah, I don't expect a keyboard SoC to be able to run audio sampling for fancy RGB visuals, that's fine lmao

[dim sierra]

I swear china do be slaving their own ppl to pump out products for so cheap

[upbeat berry]

the issue isnt being able to run the algos... its that keyboards dont have access to the data in the first place

keyboards get polled for data not sent any

[coarse gulch]

Yeah I figured, you would need a bi-directional communication, I can see the hurdle

Is it even possible to have an HID driver that both sends and receives data at the same time?

Oh nvm, I know the answer to that, you just build multiple HIDs

[minor lance]

I want to order my 80HE so round about December/ January. Perhaps there are already some white case alternatives. I will see

[upbeat berry]

dont really need a driver. it would suffice to have the firmware post another hid device as audio endpoint and then just duplicate the audio via windows

but thats a lot of setup that a software can do automagically for a user and just remove the firmware dev work involded and reuse the unidirectional rgb data

[coarse gulch]

Yeah I didn't think about just using a different HID driver

[coarse gulch]

Yeah it's the smarter approach for sure, you don't even need to think about USB bandwidth this way

[upbeat berry]

we also wanna implement the HID lamparray at some point so windows can natively push custom RGB to our devices

ofc linux could do it too then

[coarse gulch]

Not familiar with that, is it the new RGB standard API Windows is pushing?

[upbeat berry]

its a usb standard for rgb lamps

[coarse gulch]

And Windows has API calls for them?

[upbeat berry]

yes it even has a settings page for it

[coarse gulch]

oh wow

I legit had no clue, nice

[upbeat berry]

linux also supports it since ages

https://usb.org/sites/default/files/hut1_4.pdf

search for lamparray

pretty sure macos also supports it due to it being a USB standard

main reason for it being unknown is purely adoption in popular peripherals

[coarse gulch]

Wow they have substandards for chassis components too

How did I never hear about this lmao

[upbeat berry]

pretty sure QMK doesnt have lamparray either

[coarse gulch]

It sounds like a pain the ass to set-up ngl, fucking measuring LED location in micrometers lol

[wispy trellis]

if you go onto detail with the rgb make wooting Keyboard compatible with Philips Hue Sync

[upbeat berry]

we have that in wootomation iirc

[wispy trellis]

i might just give it a spin than

[jade widget]

Gotta go out of my way to buy non rgb parts nowadays

[buoyant solstice]

At least you can turn it off.

That wasn't always an option 😄

[upbeat berry]

the main issue i have with rgb pc parts is they cant easily be disabled without constantly running software (some let you disable it once and remove the software)

[jade widget]

That's true but for some peripherals they make it a real pain to turn off

[wispy trellis]

o.O

[coarse gulch]

I have a possibly very dumb question:

How trasparent is Wootomation to anticheat software? Does it in some way try to make the input look legitimate?

[upbeat berry]

no it uses system apis to simulate presses

[coarse gulch]

Can confirm and I'm glad it's not that way anymore

[upbeat berry]

most games easily ignore this

its basically AHK but simpler

[coarse gulch]

Gotcha.
Do the big dogs like Razer and Logitech use the same approach?

[wispy trellis]

actualy for me thats a big part why i buy a wooting and not the HE Q1 - wooting just KNOWS what theire doing... i hate chinese software wich on the outside works but as soon as you encounter a problem..

[upbeat berry]

good question

i can only speak for razer in 2014/2015 where they used custom HID drivers to interpret macro keys

[coarse gulch]

I would imagine you could make an HID device that responds to both keyboard input AND API calls in a way that it's impossible to differentiate wheather the input is legitimate or not

[upbeat berry]

this ofc could send keys like a real keyboard would

[coarse gulch]

And I would imagine the only way to understand the input was not legitimate is trough inspecting delays, correct?

[upbeat berry]

basically

[coarse gulch]

Or obviously blacklisting input from HID devices with certain IDs

[upbeat berry]

which they wont

cause the driver is needed for the keyboard to correctly work

same for the software

[coarse gulch]

Oh so it's the same HID for both

[upbeat berry]

yes. we are proud our keyboards work without any special drivers

razer and logitech like using windows updates for driver install and updating

so users dont really notice the process

[wispy trellis]

thats actualy something wich realy made me curious -and why im willing to pay a bit premium.

[coarse gulch]

I hate this so much, Realtek does the same with their dogshit audio "app"

[upbeat berry]

the goal is that our keyboards work on as many OSs as possible including win xp and such

[wispy trellis]

try roccat / Turtle beach GREAT DEVICES but SOFTWARE HELL

[wispy trellis]

win XP???? why not DOS 5.0 (my first HAHA)

[upbeat berry]

its also part of why we have only a config util. the keyboard, once configured, will work on any OS with standard USB HID drivers

[red heart]

What about templeOS

[coarse gulch]

This springs up a question, when using multiple zones for a single key (sorry don't know the commercial name), are the resulting inputs coming directly from the keyboard SOC and for that reason "legittimate" inputs?

[upbeat berry]

if you can find HID usb drivers it would work

[upbeat berry]

idk what zones means

[wispy trellis]

as soon as i typed it i reambered that i didnt had usb at that time

[coarse gulch]

The actuation level breaking into 4 zones that have different keystrokes thing in wootility
Wait I'll look for the commercial name

[upbeat berry]

oh DKS we call it (dynamic key stroke)

its completely opaque to the OS

since the OS only receives the scancodes

[coarse gulch]

Alright thanks

So in theory, you actually can do macros, just use DKS for them xd

One keypress = 4 actions lmao

[wispy trellis]

quick question when i own the board and hafe proper requests for improvements is there some ticketing system where i can provide suggestions?

[coarse gulch]

#1141096226884956181 I think is the place you're looking for

[red heart]

What do you want to suggest improvements for anyway

[upbeat berry]

theoretically yes

[upbeat berry]

as suggested check the feedback forum if someone already posted your suggestion and if not make a new post

usually we give you feedback on how plausible something is

[coarse gulch]

Yet another question, is the mode key on the 80HE programmable? Can I change it to for example F13?

[buoyant solstice]

You can rebind all keys

[coarse gulch]

Aight thanks! ❤️

[upbeat berry]

make all keys enter if you like our firmware doesnt care lol

[buoyant solstice]

Why stop there?

[upbeat berry]

buy 2 of them so you dont have a lump on the side

[buoyant solstice]

[spark hound]

O_o

someone loves iso a bit too much

[grave garnet]

I don’t think others would copy Wooting software even if it were open sourced. VIA is already very established and the big companies running let’s say not very popular proprietary software run a big ecosystem around their app like with Armour Crate and Synapse. Thus open sourcing Wootility would not hurt their business, the only one likely to draw from it would be VIA - and besides this all depends on what license they would release it under. Release it under GPL and there is no way let’s say ASUS will ever use it. As for HE switch keyboards in general I expect every large brand to spam them out next year, Wooting is just far ahead of others at this point - they are likely all (Logitech, Razer etc.) doing R&D on products as we speak but Wooting is making 80 HE from a solid base of their previous product

I’m also referring to only open sourcing the configuration tool, not the firmware running on the ARM chip on the actual keyboard doing the polling etc.

Making the latter open would make zero commercial sense whatsoever

[upbeat berry]

making the wootility open source doesnt really make sense without the firmware being open source. all changes that people often wanna make would require firmware changes. we already dont limit or hide anything as is.

[tight cypress]

Can't you do most of the configuration through SDK anyway?

[upbeat berry]

you could send raw profiles over if you really wanted yes

[grave garnet]

It would enable continued use of the keyboard no matter what the state of Wooting the company is - I’m not talking about mods and new changes. That being said if the SDK is already documented, in the worst case scenario (which I don’t think will happen, was just speaking theoretically), then such a config tool can easily be made by the community if ever needed

[upbeat berry]

we already offer the software as offline downlaods

and i thought about putting older versions onto archive.org

[grave garnet]

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think this is an issue that would in any shape or form keep me from ordering your product. I’ll just save a copy of the software in my email just in case of lottery level bad luck. Realistically you are likely doing very good growth judging by order times with 80HE and are quite synonymous with HE keyboards with borderline no competition right now. It will take time for others to catch up, and during that time you can go even further so overall Wooting is here to stay is the most likely scenario

[upbeat berry]

i mean the whole lottery level bad luck is why im thinking of submitting some old major last versions to archive.org like v3

[grave garnet]

Also right now there are essentially just two keyboard software suites that are not a pain to use, one of them Wootility and other VIA

[upbeat berry]

and v4 when we release v5

[grave garnet]

Many products that are actually even quite decent relatively speaking, will never be bought by a ton simply due to the absolutely horrible software. Best example is ASUS Azoth, which at 150 euro discount is actually pretty good for a mass produced company mechanical keyboard when it comes to build quality etc. But you also are stuck with the >5 GB download Armoury Crate which is a no thanks to quite a lot of folk

[red heart]

How in the world is armoury crate bigger than a ton of full video games

[buoyant solstice]

Because it is bloat, destroyer of Windows.

[upbeat berry]

think of the high res images

[grave garnet]

Indeed, it has an insane amount of bloat and the stock install also supports basically every ASUS product out there

Why anyone thought it’s a good idea to have your motherboard and mouse need same software suite is beyond me, but that’s what they did

[rustic drum]

Because people want one software for everything

[grave garnet]

Even their monitors need it, although luckily firmware updates are rare for those so you can install the horror, update your firmware and remove it

But with a mouse you got to keep it running in background more or less

[rustic drum]

And it's a good way of advertising products you should definitely get!

[red heart]

Nightmare

[grave garnet]

I’m not all that convinced their customers are all that happy with Armoury Crate or want a unified platform if it’s done that way

Never talked to anyone who likes it, but maybe some out there do

[rustic drum]

Well people seem to use it so yeah

[grave garnet]

Even Logitech G hub is very nice to use compared to that thing

[grave garnet]

They don’t have a choice

[rustic drum]

You always have a choice

[grave garnet]

Not really with something like Azoth for example

[upbeat berry]

"firmware updates" aka hid drivers

the only firmwares windows can actually update automatically are the ones bundled with installers like bios

[rustic drum]

Yes you do, don't buy hardware if the software is trash

[grave garnet]

Was just referring to the ”well people seem to use it so yeah” comment. Reason I didn’t buy the Azoth even at 50% off is exactly the software, I’ll rather pay more and get a Wooting. Not only is the software from another planet, I’ll get to experience HE switches first time

[rustic drum]

Indeed, some people seem to not mind it.. not sure why but hey it's their choice

[red heart]

I mean

[tight cypress]

[grave garnet]

Also I’ll much rather support a small company doing new things like Wooting, that actually communicates with their clients rather than ASUS which is not exactly known for their good practises in let’s say RMA stuff etc. Some of my worst hardware experiences have been with ASUS as well, so I might be biased against them already to be fair

[red heart]

Some people just dont look at what the software is like before buying a product and assume the either dont have to use it or they just hope its not terrible

[grave garnet]

I almost gave ASUS another shot - usually avoid their stuff - when I noticed Azoth on sale. Had seen a few videos of the build quality but then I remembered it has to run that damn Armour Crate too. Almost all of the ”influencer” aka sponsored ”reviews” don’t talk about the software or just pass it briefly and claim it’s decent, when in reality it’s bad enough to write the entire product off for quite many people

Anyways, I’ll put in a 80HE order later today I think. It’s a shame wait times are long, but that’s not a deal breaker and I’m glad the company is doing well enough to have such demand

[tight cypress]

Well, it's not wait time, as much as it hasn't been released yet

[grave garnet]

True that

[pseudo parrot]

i had the azoth for some time. build quality was great and keyboard also was pretty nice. reason i returned it was the software

[buoyant solstice]

The keyboard isn't out yet time traveller. Come back in a couple of months - and get out of here quick before the timecops catch on.

https://tenor.com/view/pig-cute-stop-pet-piglet-gif-16615934

[wind tiger]

[upbeat berry]

so.... how do you have one then

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-pusheen-sparkle-food-gif-17473284

[red heart]

When will there be a 2he that‘s just 2% layout (whatever that would be)

[tight cypress]

UwU?

[red heart]

Petition to rename uwu to 2he (for confusion)

[grave garnet]

It’s definitely physically the best keyboard by a large mainstream (so not including Keychron here) manufacturer right now - sadly with the worst software and no way to get out of the Armoury Crate prison

[pseudo parrot]

yeah armory crate ignored my bios sttings to disable the motherboard rgb, tried turning it off in armory crate but that didnt work lol

i returned it right away after that

[grave garnet]

These things are mostly subjective, but out of the big mainstream software suites I’d rank them G Hub > Synapse > whatever SteelSeries runs >>> Armoury Crate

[pseudo parrot]

ghub has been great, ive never had issues with it. tried synapse that was also quite good

[red heart]

I remember old logitech software

I vowed to never buy logitech again after that

[grave garnet]

Only G Hub and Synapse are software I would be willing to run out of those 4 big KB makers

[red heart]

Get a wooting keyboard and a razer mouse

[grave garnet]

And yeah, G Hub is definitely a downgrade compared to OG Logitech software - but compare it against the Armoury Crate and it’s suddenly pretty nice in that context

[pseudo parrot]

as for razer mice i enjoyed the viper but it had some issues which were unacceptable so i returned it

[red heart]

My only issue with viper is that scroll wheel gets fucky due to my dusty ass room

[grave garnet]

Likely where I’ll end up. I’m a big fan of SuperLight shape, but sadly the buttons on SuperLight 2 are not my thing at all. With current Razer mice I have no idea really what they even have, except Viper series looks like something I would likely enjoy

[red heart]

But thats any mouse

So i have surrendered myself to opening up the mouse once a year and clearing out the scroll wheel

[pseudo parrot]

only mouse ive not had scroll wheel issues with ever before is g502 haha

[grave garnet]

I used to run Razer KB/mouse both but got tired of them breaking every year and ditched their brand, if I had to guess things have evolved since in QC/durability

[red heart]

Yep

My viper hasnt had double clicking issues

Older razers ive owned, did have double click issues

[grave garnet]

I’ll try to get used to a SuperLight 2 I got half price at discount lately (also still have the OG), no idea yet how I can get used to it

Initial impressions are unreliable since a large part is muscle memory that needs to be retrained

[zealous oak]

I had double clicking issues in my old superlight

[pseudo parrot]

my viper got stuck in sleep mode, took some time to wake up ocasionally, also left button had quite a lot of post travel. battery wasnt as good as my logi mouse either but maybe i just got a bad copy im not sure

[grave garnet]

Problem is my old SuperLight is starting to have double clicking issues, which is why I took the test with the new one

[zealous oak]

Warranty sent me another one and I'm having also double clicking issues with my new unit, this time in the scrolling wheel

[grave garnet]

They moved to optical switches that won’t get double clicking issues, but the feel is very different. Initial impressions are not good but maybe things change after muscle memory adapts

[red heart]

Is scroll wheel feeling mushy?

[grave garnet]

The OG SuperLight is flawed in design imo, they all seem to break

[red heart]

It might be dust buildup

[zealous oak]

Not in this one, the old one felt like that and was horribly noisy

[grave garnet]

The new one won’t break, but has a very different feel that many will hate

[zealous oak]

Seems like there is no consistency in QC

[zealous oak]

it's the third one I have and all of them has had problems

[pseudo parrot]

my old superlight had a doubleclicking issue on the side button. i got fed up with it so just bought a g502x again which for me has been the most reliable

[zealous oak]

Exactly where my old unit had the double cliking issue, thumb buttons

[grave garnet]

Superlight 2 I recently got for 80e has no issues with any buttons, maybe it’s the new optical switches maybe just luck in QC

But the feel is very different, currently I don’t like it but maybe that will change

[zealous oak]

but now is even more annoying because I use it scrolling wheel button a lot to open new tabs, and it opens double tabs almost everytime I click on it

[grave garnet]

I wish someone would make a modular mouse where you could change the mechanical switches and also the plastic where you click could be PBT if that is technically possible

The coating on almost all mice is straight up horrible and they will start looking so oily

[pseudo parrot]

asus has a patent on hotswap switches for mice. some of their mice has that feature

[grave garnet]

Maybe Wooting makes a mouse someday, lord knows there is a market there just like there is on keyboards

[red heart]

Sometimes i wish patent law wouldnt exist

[pseudo parrot]

yeah haha i wish that wasn't patented

[grave garnet]

Ouch… Good that it is possible, but with ASUS having that patent that means I will never get a hotswap mouse since there is no way in hell I will install Armoury Crate

[pseudo parrot]

though optical switches should be quite reliable so i hope my g502x lasts a long time. time will tell

[red heart]

For the 12 people still playing wow

[upbeat berry]

https://www.azeron.eu/ and youre set for life

why though. cant get enlightened if you dont

its like getting a wooting and not wanting to learn to master custom actuation points

[grave garnet]

Any new peripheral needs muscle memory training, it doesn’t take that long in the end either. That is actually one reason why most reviews are flawed - they do not test a keyboard long enough and are mostly first impression hype jobs

The best reviews are things like ”6 months with Wooting 60HE” etc.

[red heart]

I‘ll make a "5 minutes with 80he full product review" video

And just say that i dont know how good it is cause i havent taken it out of the package yet

[grave garnet]

That would get a good number of views with the right thumbnail

Even with keyboards there’s a ton of muscle memory retraining involved when you move from low profile to standard

I recently moved from low profile tactile to standard profile linear, getting better but felt horrible at first

If hall effect switches ever become small enough, would love to see a low profile Wooting someday

[red heart]

i dont think itll h appen

cause you need enough travel distance to make he make sense

• switches are hotswap so thats another factor that adds thickness

[grave garnet]

Rapid trigger would still be useful, although yeah it does make most sense in standard form

Not enough space for ”thock” materials either in low profile

[red heart]

just put the board inside your desk

lowest possible profile right there

[zealous oak]

😂

[oak jungle]

lol

[wispy trellis]

its precicly the wooting wich made that thing obsolet so im confuised that you think your sat for live with this 😛

[upbeat berry]

because i cant use a wooting as a mouse

the good part of the azeron is the joystick with a mouse mode and then more macro buttons than any mmo mouse

[wispy trellis]

i love keypads i used them very often and long and i hafe no problem relerning muscle memory but rapid trigger is just plain better than mouse clicks

ahh you mean specificicaly for mmo

[upbeat berry]

that was what i replied to correct

[wispy trellis]

still even than sadly rapidtrigger has it advantages or activating multiple things in order with one deep keypress 😛 ; but honestly mostly the logitech g604 did the trick with enugh mousebuttons

sadly they discontinued that monster and so faar only roccat has something similar

the cyro is a bit TOOOO much haha - to much work till your setup if you play difrent games and too much buttons wich obviously are not needet always

weight although

[wispy trellis]

while waiting get a used XP Kone Air really awsome mouse with horribile software safe your profiles it takes a wihile till the profilswitcher works well sometimes need firmware recover and or reset of the software sometimes works directly but in fact one of the best current market mouses for mmos and co RGB helps wich profil your currently using and it has enugh buttons for all and weight is only 100g

they bought roccat

[wispy trellis]

will those silikon high adjustments allways be white or black for black keyboards? i only saw white so faar

[oak jungle]

only white

[wispy trellis]

thanks i thought soo well hopefully i anwyway don't need its better for the hands without it anyway

[oak jungle]

mostly we will use the keyboard flat

[valid comet]

guys has anyone ordered a wooting product on the weekend that was in stock?

was it pending the entire time?

[toxic zephyr]

you've been asking about this for 3 days now when you should just msg the support if you're unsure

[valid comet]

sorry for asking so many times, I just got an automated email and I was told to use a set of specific words for the subject neither of which are my problem

[toxic zephyr]

then you just wait for a hooman to take care of you

[wispy trellis]

dude they even wrote me in 7 days for a exchange whichh i didn't expect they are quite fast

[valid comet]

maybe im just sweating too many bullets since I did order on a saturday

[wispy trellis]

first i wanted to joke about you beeing to auspicious but after a short analysis with chatgpt its really funny - please keep in mind that mostly only applys if seller are really working on saturdays and its statistics HAHA

[valid comet]

me literally 🤣

[kind hill]

[icy cosmos]

Are you saying Wooting isn’t on the level of Amazon Prime 24h delivery service? Please share your buying experience and journey of how you concluded that this Discord channel is the best way to get customers service.

[tight cypress]

To be fair all packages from Wooting were delivered to me faster than from Amazon

[robust frigate]

So is there a way to change my 80he from normal case to metal before it ships or am I better off just waiting for 3rd party cases to drop? Or canceling and then redoing another order

[buoyant solstice]

Shoot us an email at [e-mail] and specify exactly what you'd want to change and to what.

[robust frigate]

@buoyant solstice okay thanks

[wispy trellis]

I did exactly that sadly now im EU BRUEG instead of EU Kompanion and delivery date shows SEPTEMBER - i know it was multiple times written that that can happen its just very annoying i would prever 2 weaks prozessingtime or even 4 weaks but at least showing it correct in the overview...will that be corrected bevor shipping?

[buoyant solstice]

We still haven't adjusted existing 80HE order edits* to move back into previous batches. Should be later this week iirc.

We'll announce when it happens, so anyone still not moved has a chance to reach out.

[valid comet]

its all good I just got the items processed manually. Now that I went through it once, i dont need to worry about the process again :)

Wooting CS is goated

[tropic tide]

What, are the deliveries being rescheduled so we’ll get them early?

[valid comet]

it still says early august for EU-Kampioen for me

[weary wren]

no

[oak jungle]

me still Sep

[jade widget]

Only thing getting changed is some people who have made edits to their order that were in the first batch were moved to the second, those people are being moved back to the first

[icy cosmos]

Great to hear, I don’t think Wooting got any automated warehouses with automated robots picking your stuff ( ruining the packaging in the process) , you can rest assured every order is being handled manually and by hand 🤚.

[valid comet]

yeah its updated ETA went from June 3-11 to 1-6

which is very nice to see :)

[tropic tide]

Okay, so September it is, not in a hurry though 🙂

[desert quest]

Does that mean that I should contact [e-mail] in the next few days to be on the safe side if I have made a change to my order (and the estimated delivery and the batch have changed) , or do I no longer need to take care of anything myself?

[wispy trellis]

did anybody look on the aftermarked if there is a nice fitting wodden wristrest? i think silikon is okayish but i feel some dark wood always is better

[toxic zephyr]

could make ya one

[lapis galleon]

you probably wont be able to find anything that fits that well as the 80he is an extremely uncommon layout and size

[wispy trellis]

very nice offer will first check on it maybe my keycaps don't fit wood :))

but i honestly hope they will wood is the best handrest imho specialy with the right hight

[dull token]

Can't have aftermarket since the keyboard isn't the market yet

It's prob gonna be a couple months before there's more after market options AFTER the keyboard is out

[wispy trellis]

ofc you generally can not all 75exlodet hafe same size maybe one fit's the with of the he80 that was what i asked

[dull token]

I think you can find the keyboard dimensions on their page

And ig find a wristrest of similar length

[haughty robin]

Just watched the latest yt vid. I might be in the minority, but I'm a little bit bummed that they've added branding to the zinc case. I loved the look in the promo angle shots where it was completely stealth, but I understand and I guess some people actually like that, which is why I think I'm in the minority. At least it's kinda stealth though... Just wanted to give my feedback in case I'm somehow not alone in this, because it seems like it was a late addition to the production process.

[lapis galleon]

thats valid feedback but it will only really be visible in direct light, plus iirc its on the back of the case so it wont be visible in regular use

[wary adder]

also its on the facing face of the keyboard, i dont know about yall but i dont spend much time looking back there..

[silk hedge]

Yeah you wont be able to tell from top view or front view in bad lighting

100% done for tournament reasons

[haughty robin]

In the past I just did case swaps to get rid of branding on my keebs, but unfortch for me this time it's not likely to have an aftermarket for this form factor... Which is why I went with the zinc from the start, since it's gonna be my only option. Oh well, right. At this point, they're so rushed it doesn't even feel like my feedback would matter one way or the other. And none of these small things are ever gonna cause enough of an uproar for them to change anything

[wary adder]

ahh yes because the cameras will defiantly pick up that logo.

[silk hedge]

Well yea

[night skiff]

anyone knows if i request to switch the case of my unit, i will lose the perks of founder's ?

[buoyant solstice]

You will not.

Having the logo there has been the plan since day one.

[wary adder]

Tastefully placed.

[buoyant solstice]

The only question was how. Whether or not it would be a physical indent of sorts in the mold or some other way.

[night skiff]

Ok, thank you

[quasi crater]

If i decide to buy the frost case later, does it come with the white silicone thingy that makes it look a little nicer? 😅

[deft basalt]

Any role to be pinged when new software like when rappy snappy drops available?

[toxic zephyr]

it'll probably be announced with an @ everyone in either announcements or wootility channel

[topaz quarry]

I have booked 80he, but I still cannot register the account of wooting website. It shows that my email has been used. What should I do?

[tight cypress]

If you have an access to e-mail you can use forgot password form https://hub.wooting.io/auth/forgot-password

[topaz quarry]

We couldn't find a user with this email.

I'm pretty sure I haven't registered this account before!

[tight cypress]

At this point I'd contact support [e-mail], they'll help you sort it out

[buoyant solstice]

Then create the account?

[valid comet]

if you haven't registered it, best to make it with your email and transfer your order. if it says "pending" like it has for me, just contact their support email. hope everything goes well!

you own a wooting kb? awesome which board (not the 80HE)?

[tiny tartan]

when a discord member has a more empathetic and reasonable response than the wooting team

[rustic idol]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleep-snooze-too-early-in-the-morning-alarm-gif-13607300

mansen pov

[tiny tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-angry-too-noisy-cant-sleep-gif-13771238

[buoyant solstice]

No point of being overly court and use long sentences, when there's a clear language barrier at play.

We'll get it solved one step at a time.

[tiny tartan]

[valid comet]

i mean it literally just happened to me too, at least the pending issue

[buoyant solstice]

If in doubt shoot us an email. We did have a short glitch with 60HE orders going screwy for a bit, but that should be resolved as of yesterday.

[burnt yacht]

Mansen you must take naps during the day.
Your sleep schedule seems broken 😂

[jolly tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-objection-capcom-gif-20965907

[tight cypress]

Naps

[buoyant solstice]

It's 10 in the morning. And while I am technically in bed right now, that's because I have a massive headache atm

[tight cypress]

Ibuprom and warm tea

[buoyant solstice]

[burnt yacht]

I just see you writing late at night and early morning.
Get well soon 😁🙏🏻

[upbeat berry]

its because ducks are nocturnal

[icy cosmos]

wish you a speedy recovery

[pseudo parrot]

hope you feel better mansen !

[quasi crater]

Does that white silicone thing come with the frost case if you only buy the case later?

[buoyant solstice]

White silicone thing?

[quasi crater]

Calder said it has different color on the frost case because it will look better or something like that

Its not silicone on the other colors, only on that one

[buoyant solstice]

I genuinely am lost as to what exact part you're referring to, sorry 😄

[jade widget]

I think when the frost was initially showed off it had some black parts inside the case you could see I think Calder said in the video they would change themto white to match the rest of the components

[quasi crater]

yes

just dont remember what they were called

[jade widget]

well whatever they were they have been made white now i'm pretty sure

[buoyant solstice]

Still too vague for me to loo kup and comment on - Gonna need a specific video for that. 😄

But - If there's something that's specific to a case variant, I would assume it's included with the case itself.

[quasi crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSCcVL1qAik&t=243s&ab_channel=Wooting If you look at 7:20 on that video he talks about the thing i was thinking about 😄

[buoyant solstice]

Ahh for the bottom. Yeah that'll be in the case if you buy it by itself or with the module.

[quasi crater]

Ohh okay, thats really nice 😄 Thanks for the answer :)

[plain aurora]

poron pads under stabilisers not shown aaaa

[wind tiger]

not required

[buoyant solstice]

Poron pad?

We use a silicone pc plate that doubles as the gasket mount

[wind tiger]

I think they mean ones between stabilizer and pcb

something like this

which is not needed with well tuned stabs imo

[buoyant solstice]

Ah those kinds of pads.

I personally haven't found the sound wanting, and I'm using a pre-production sample Frankenstein build.

[plain aurora]

yeah i think its excessive im just memeing about the thing on the website missing them

[shut tartan]

about to order the 80HE, but i can only choose 1 set of switches? this is the only place where they are in discount. would love to buy the L45 & 60

[pseudo parrot]

just add them to cart manually, but keep in mind those will be v1 switches

[buoyant solstice]

Only one pack with the discount. If you need one of each, you'll have to email us to add it for now.

Because only the V1 switches are listed separately on the store. 🙂

[shut tartan]

so i can't have both of them with discount?

[buoyant solstice]

Correct.

[karmic gull]

hello, i have a question. i preordered 80he when the founders campaign was running, will it also be shipped mid august?

[tight cypress]

Hub will tell ya https://hub.wooting.io/my/orders

[jolly tangle]

[oak jungle]

HUH before aug ?

[tight cliff]

Check the text

[shell monolith]

If you ordered early april you can actually get it late July

[tight cypress]

Nope, there's no "ordered first, got it first" type of deal here

As long as you're in the same batch, every order will be sent at around the same time

[shut tartan]

i've just ordered the 80HE module with l45 en zinc black case, does it come with the braided usb c cable aswel?

[pastel edge]

aw, seems that changing my 80HE case color made it hop over to the 2nd batch

no longer a kamipoen, now a brug

[nova nexus]

Arden has the NL buff on his order, that's why it says July

[tight cliff]

Yes, something like the black one on this pic

[shut tartan]

Hey mark, i've went with the 80he module and not the prebuilt. do i get all the same items included in the box like the prebuilt one?

[nova nexus]

Module doesn't include switches or keycaps unless you specifically add them, but you get all of the accessories as part of the case portion of your order

[tight cliff]

The Wooting 80HE page got the info about that too

[shut tartan]

i know not the same switch and keycaps, i didn't take any keycaps cause i've already got some. just wanted to be sure i get all the same accessories

[nova nexus]

Yup we've got you covered

[tight cliff]

The additional keycaps are only for when you choose keycaps though? if i've understood it correctly

[nova nexus]

Accessories come with the case not the module because they're color matched to the case 😁

[shut tartan]

i hope not lol, i want that wooting logo keycap

[nova nexus]

All of the default keycap sets we sell include enough keys for a full sized keyboard, plus some wonky modifier key sizes for compatibility with other keyboards. Exceptions are the magnetic wave keycaps only have for 60% keyboards and the jis keycaps include way more extra keys to also be fully compatible for ansi

[shell monolith]

What batch does EU-steentje mean?

[shut tartan]

i think he meant that the 7x additional keycaps (see picture) isn't included when going with the 80HE module

[nova nexus]

Hmm I don't immediately see why those wouldn't be included, but it's been a looong day so I'm not 100% on that

[shut tartan]

Should i send a mail to support with this question to be 100% sure?

[buoyant solstice]

For ANSI prebuilts, the 7 keys mentioned on the page are included. But not the numpad keys.

For ISO they will be included, since you're buying an entire set of keycaps as a loose item not preinstalled.

[nova nexus]

Question is on the module specifically

[shut tartan]

i didn't get the prebuilt i went with the 80HE module

[nova nexus]

But now that I think twice on it, module without a set of our keycaps means no keycaps, including no Wooting logo keycaps

[tight cliff]

Yes

[shut tartan]

Aawh damnit

[nova nexus]

When purchased with the module, getting a set of keycaps as well is an unbeatable price for quality value proposition

By design 😉

[shut tartan]

the prebuilt only comes with the lekker L60 and i wanted to have the L45

[burnt juniper]

i preordered back in march, I WANT IT NOWWWW, i cant wait

[dim sierra]

just fly to taiwan and rob calder

[buoyant solstice]

If you got a module, that means no keycaps Preinstalled. So any set you do buy from us would be a full set for a 2HE

Well except for the take control set of course, which only covers a 60HE 😅

[nova nexus]

Can confirm, this is how I got my 80HE

[jolly tangle]

you can find calder at computex booth: wah tao

[buoyant solstice]

You heard of the cat distribution system? Calder has a prototype distribution team.

I somehow ended up with an early sample of an 80HE as well as a stack colour samples (some very cool ones imo I hope we get to make some day)

[shut tartan]

I'm not interested in the keycaps set, they seem good tho! but i already own to much sets haha.. my question was, just cause i've gone the module way what is included in the box compared to the prebuild one ...

[buoyant solstice]

The module has everything a Preinstalled 80 has, except for any switches, any keycaps and no case.

[dim sierra]

Are u putting urself up as a target

[buoyant solstice]

Some parts of the 80 are included in the case portion to match that colour, but you can't buy an 80HE without a case, so you get everything you order.

[heavy badge]

hope soon🥺 ,still EU-Brug

[shut tartan]

So all the accessories included with the 80HE module with case and lekker L45 switches is the same as the prebuilt? except for extra switches and keycaps.

[buoyant solstice]

The switches
in a Preinstalled 80 are the same as the 90 piece pack of switches in the module.

Of course the preinstalled option only offers L60v2

Not L45

[nova nexus]

Can confirm that the system is built, code reviewed and implemented, just needs a quick test in live environnement then we're good to do in bulk

[shut tartan]

lol i'm not clear enough, that's not what i mean.

[buoyant solstice]

If you buy a preinstalled 80HE and a module 80HE with the exact same switches and keycaps, you'll end up with identical boards.

Not sure how else I can explain it 😅

[shrewd saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-the-exact-same-thing-ian-carter-the-same-similar-equal-gif-16516466

[shut tartan]

@buoyant solstice i know they will be the same board lol that's not the question

[shrewd saddle]

one is assembled by the factory, the other you do yourself

[shut tartan]

i want to know what is included in the box compared to prebuilt

[shrewd saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-gotcha-point-the-same-doppelganger-gif-15876064

[buoyant solstice]

No case, no switches, no keycaps.

[shut tartan]

this is for the prebuilt one, what about 80HE module

[shrewd saddle]

for the module you'd get them all separately

[shut tartan]

this is my order

[buoyant solstice]

Your order doesn't have any keycaps. So those you'll have to bring yourself or buy.

The case and PCB are not assembled together, so you'll need to do that following our guide.

Switches also need to be pushed into all of the slots

[tight cliff]

Thing is does the 7x additional keycaps need to be there?

[shut tartan]

i know that, just wanted to know if the different degree foot, spare screws, usb c to c, usb c to usb a, heck even the postcard is included with my order

[buoyant solstice]

Or in other words

[nova nexus]

7 red lines included confirmed

[shrewd saddle]

so essentially. the only thing that would change is - instead of wooting 80HE, it'd be wooting 80HE Module (PCB+Preinstalled Silicone sandwich pad), and PCBA. and no 7x additional keycaps

[nova nexus]

Beats China's three red lines

[shrewd saddle]

yeah. theres only 2!

[shut tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-griffin-gone-crazy-insane-letter-l-gif-17135412

[radiant anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-facepalm-fml-crazy-head-bang-gif-16492152

[shut tartan]

ok thanks! i think that the 3 spare l60 switches and 1x spare l45 switch also is not included?

[buoyant solstice]

They are.

[shut tartan]

ow.. strange why they are included since i didn't order the prebuilt switches

[dim sierra]

[buoyant solstice]

Those are repair switches we include just in case. Yes even if you bring your own switches or buy Jades. It's just much simpler for us to always include them, instead of having to do a separate box for one or the other.

[shrewd saddle]

that actually makes so much sense

and cuts down on packaging quite a bit

[tight cliff]

But the 7x keycaps don't get included which is understandable but some might think they are, some want the Wooting keycap

[shut tartan]

this is where i got confused

[buoyant solstice]

Modules don't have keycaps, so no point in including them.
If you buy a set of keycaps, you'll get the 7x and everything else anyway. So no reason for us to include them in the 80HE itself*

[shut tartan]

Makes sense! there should be an extra what's included on the site for the modules version

[tight cliff]

Yes but maybe update the 80HE main/module page with better info?

[shut tartan]

and this is on the main 80HE page ..

[buoyant solstice]

I'll pass it on.

[dim sierra]

[shut tartan]

from my understanding i would think that's ALL included unless it says it's not for the module version. the only thing i've seen now is that it's optional but that's not very clear

[dim sierra]

I’ll assume its not included if u didn’t buy it

[tight cliff]

It's just that people read the main page usually and see what's included

[buoyant solstice]

Imagine buying a module without keycaps and receiving 7 pointless keycaps.

[tight cliff]

Yes i don't care about it just saying that some might

[shut tartan]

but i did buy it lol

[drowsy lynx]

Is this a new thing the keycaps? I don't think I saw it during founders'

[shut tartan]

they are indeed pointless but this causes some misunderstanding

[dim sierra]

I mean those that says “optional your choice”

[buoyant solstice]

No we've always tried to make it clear that we'd include the "missing" keycaps to let the owner pick which ones they'd prefer.

Since it's not full TKL.

[dim sierra]

I didnt buy switches so i assume i wont get any but even i do get the extra 4 i have no use for them

[shut tartan]

yes but on the mainpage it says it's included in the box so does this count aswel for the module version ...

it's clear now for me but not clear on the website

[buoyant solstice]

We're going in circles here. We've clarified what is included, and I have passed on the feedback about the list.

[drowsy lynx]

Ah got it. I thought it was mentioned on order overview, but it's a screenshot of what's included in the box. Thanks 🙂

[dim sierra]

I assume it will say “80he module” instead of “80he”

[shut tartan]

yeah i know

[dim sierra]

So it’s clearly not for module but they wont leave u dry without cables or screws

[shut tartan]

yeah i know that, thanks for the bright feedback

[dim sierra]

But sure there can be better clarity

[tight cliff]

Like the 60HE+ vs 60HE+ Module on the page

[shut tartan]

that's my point ...

[tight cliff]

Some might even want to see the colour of the included cable but that can be found in the Quickstart guides

[shut tartan]

it should be something like this.

[dim sierra]

Yeah and u asked the same question 3-4 times but yeah

[shut tartan]

they didn't understand what i meant. they keep saying that there is no keycaps included.. what i already know. i asked what's included in the box and they keep saying no keycaps included but ignored all the rest

[dim sierra]

60he+ is somewhat a more unique situation imo since its an v2 of 60he

[buoyant solstice]

I'd like to think we answered your question several times.

no keycaps in the box

[shut tartan]

Picture says both V2 + version but they are clear of the module information

[shut tartan]

After several miscommunications yes.

[buoyant solstice]

Gods I beg of you - Move on. You have your answer, and your feedback about clarification on the website has been passed on to the folks in charge.

[dim sierra]

Prebuilt 60he+ is just 60he with 60he+ plate. 60he+ module is which all the “mod” the community asked for.

[shut tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/redefine-meat-newmeat-foodtech-meatlover-meatlovers-gif-26437912

[buoyant solstice]

I see y'all typing. Fight the urge.

[dim sierra]

80he is basically the result of the community and answer to 60he+

[low token]

Tkl would be

[dim sierra]

80he is tkl -2/4/6

[shut tartan]

TKL or 75% would be the result of community but whatever

[magic raven]

Quick question, I logged in, but don't see the discount mentioned in the image anywhere. This is for a coiled cable. How do I activate it? Apologies if this is the wrong channel

[low token]

75% is a sin

[shut tartan]

keyboards with the name GAMING is a sin

[dim sierra]

This is basically wootings ver of tkl

[low token]

You will have discounts code page after u log in

[shut tartan]

i agree

[low token]

Wooting one was tkl

[dim sierra]

There can be better layouts and whatnots but well, it is what it is

[low token]

So I guess they are doing something diffrent

[shut tartan]

that's why they called it 80%

[dim sierra]

I only bought because of gasket mount, god sent of a improvement

[low token]

Well if you can kill someone with it still works... it will be amazing keyboard

[shut tartan]

wich version did you go?

[icy cosmos]

How’s your headache?

[buoyant solstice]

The funtimes over in General definitely aren't helping, lemme tell you 😄

[shut tartan]

should i join general ?

[icy cosmos]

Ii though you had the power to rule over all channels 😅

[magic raven]

Found it in checkout thx. Not an ideal result tho considering that msg on the product page. Im an ultimate wooting glazer so idc but some customers might feel misled

[plain aurora]

yo but can we talk about the new fire wooting vid

[shut tartan]

wich one?

[plain aurora]

idk there was a new vid a bit ago it looked funny

[low token]

I've multiple codes but they are expired

[buoyant solstice]

Not all items across the store have discounts. They are very specific to what you're purchased, or act as bundle discounts when buying something like a 60/80HE Module

[dim sierra]

Module + zinc without switches or keycaps

[shut tartan]

Black zinc aswel?

[dim sierra]

I changed from RAW to white. Too scared of the raw changing colors and i dont intend to paint it myself like some of the others here

[shut tartan]

Scared from the RAW aswel, wanted to go white but all the keycaps i own are dark so it's gonna be another black built

[dim sierra]

Yeah i went white because of my keycaps, only sad that u couldn’t mix plastic top with zinc btm

Could have done frost top with white zinc btm

[shut tartan]

i had the same plan .. until i saw the update video on youtube. it's a bummer

[dark geode]

is it weird that the arrival time of my wooting 80 he keeps changing to later and later, and how do i know if it is on hold?

[shrewd saddle]

Its a pre-order. THey've been uploading weekly videos going through the process. most likely your batch was delayed a lil bit

[dark geode]

oh ok tysm :D

[shrewd saddle]

npnp! i can't wait to get mine either 😄

[quasi crater]

wait faster 😃

[dark geode]

does anyone else's batch not appear on the batch updates page?

[lapis galleon]

80he updates arent on the updates page becauses they havent even started manufracturing yet iirc

[dark geode]

ohhhhh mb sorry

how did you get your batch role?

[lapis galleon]

I linked my discord account on the wooting hub

[dark geode]

i did too but it seems i dont have it, it must just take some time, ty for ur help tho

[digital elm]

You can hit the "Refesh Rewards" button

@dark geode

[dark geode]

i think its the 60he batch

[dark geode]

as i already tried that

[digital elm]

Then wait, I don’t know, I guess time will do the job, try again tomorrow

[solar thorn]

Mhm

[bronze stag]

placed in march was told july delivery now it says august?

[icy cosmos]

I was there…. Late July / Early August. Can be anything from a day to 2 weeks 😂. Stay calm and carry on 😉

[buoyant solstice]

From late july to early august. A week and change.

[ebon saddle]

mines september lmao

ill wait as long as it takes

cant wait

[oak jungle]

me too and worth waiting

don't check every single day guys chill

you should check at least near august

[plain flax]

yo do the l60 v2s come prelubed or nah?

[oak jungle]

yeah prelubed

[buoyant solstice]

All of the switches we use and sell are.

[burnt ice]

is 80he wireless?

[fallen epoch]

no

[burnt ice]

bro why😭

i wanted to switch from my cancer logitech but i fr need wireless

need

[plain flax]

bro this keyboard is like the opposite of flexibility lol its meant only for gaming

wireless is like the anti gaming

[burnt ice]

xd its like that bad

[young pagoda]

Meh wireless has gotten good, my pos razer is fine in wireless

[fervent birch]

Wireless is good for gaming, at least in mice, unsure about keyboards

[plain flax]

loow at the monsgeek m1w he sp, its literally just an offbrand hall effect wooting

and its wireless

[burnt ice]

ight what did u just said

[young pagoda]

Love my m1w non he, wish I had gotten the he

Monsgeek makes a hell of a good prebuilt

[plain flax]

Look up - MonsGeek M1W HE-SP -

[plain flax]

yeah theyre not bad i must say

[burnt ice]

oh ic ty will look into

[plain flax]

it was gonna be my second choice under the 80he ^

[burnt ice]

thought its was random words at first eh

[plain flax]

has rapid trigger and everything + a knob as well and it does sound better

[young pagoda]

Isn't the keychron he wireless?

[burnt ice]

bro what are these keycaps lmaoo

[young pagoda]

Trash

[plain flax]

yeah thats the only issue lmao, makes the whole thing look goofy as fuck

[young pagoda]

The biggest downer is it's south facing led which makes new caps hard

[plain flax]

but even if you factor in that you have to buy the keycaps it still comes out cheaper than a wooting @burnt ice

[valid comet]

I have used it, yes its wireless, rapid trigger, and controller support

[jade widget]

Even at 1k these wireless board have like 30 hours of battery, waste of time

At 8k man you gonna have less then 10 hours of battery

[valid comet]

like 4h

[plain flax]

it literally doesnt make a difference guys lets be real

8khz on a mouse i can almost accept its worth it, but 8khz for a keyboard is just a way to get more money off you

[valid comet]

dependa imo, if you play rhythm games maybe polling rate could matter as long as you have insanely low response times like sub 1ms

[young pagoda]

Are you looking for wireless for having the board on your lap while reclining?

[burnt ice]

yh ic i mean the price is not factor tbh i just wanted wooting to be a wireless but nah... may be in next years they will make it happen, ty tho!

[valid comet]

because at that point the response times are faster than the polling window

[plain flax]

im sure there must be like a dongle attachment that can somehow support wireless on amazon or something

[valid comet]

tried it with the Q1 HE and it was an experience

i cant really feel the difference between it wired and wireless

[young pagoda]

Yeah wireless these days is fine, just got to monitor batt

[valid comet]

it does have a 1-1.5ms delta but i couldnt feel it

[plain flax]

look up a bluetooth adapter maybe it might work with it?

[young pagoda]

No

[valid comet]

probably because it says 3.2-4.8ms instead of like 1-2ms

[young pagoda]

Needs power too

[burnt ice]

ye

[plain flax]

yeah you wouldnt be able to use any of the special functions but youd have a wireless wooting if it works no?

[valid comet]

difderence between 1 and 2 is larger between 3 and 4 on a relative basis, but equal on an absolute scale

[burnt ice]

and may be it can be worse comparing to initially wireless keyboard

[burnt ice]

gotta check tbh

[young pagoda]

Depends on how it would work

If it was a hub then probably?

[plain flax]

yeah like if you really wanted ot use it wireless youd be able to, it would just be ass in comparison to wired lol

[jade widget]

Bluetooth you're capped at 125hz

[plain flax]

^ yeah lmao, but i mean youve got a wireless wooting

[valid comet]

i remember there was a new bluetooth version that can actually go higher than 125Hz but idk if its out

i know keychron has 90Hz BT tho

i dont understand why 90Hz instead of 125Hz

but its not like I use it

[young pagoda]

Problem is that the bt hubs I've found require AC power

And I wouldn't game on bt

[valid comet]

yeah dont

[burnt ice]

btw which are quieter? brown or red switches

[valid comet]

play on 2.4GHz or wired

[valid comet]

id wager red switches but im not sure, cherry, outemu, gateron, what company

[burnt ice]

cherry

[jade widget]

Cherry reds will be more quiet since they are linears

[valid comet]

i see, I mean if you wanna make it quieter, you can add switch pads or something inside the switch at the bottom to make it less noisy

there are silent reds too which sound super nice ngl

[jade widget]

Although there are multiple variations of each switch like silent reds

[fallen epoch]

What if I’m hungry and eat the pads

[valid comet]

feeling is left to be desired, make sure to lube them

[valid comet]

come on mango dont do that 😭

[fallen epoch]

[valid comet]

[spark lantern]

I still miss the yellow name... 😭

[fallen epoch]

Piss squad will always be remembered

[mortal breach]

not sure if ill be in my flat already when keeb ships lmao

[verbal solar]

order it to someone in your family who has a permanant residence such as your grandparents or parents

[dreamy wing]

Yo

[valid comet]

piss gang

[vivid kettle]

[tidal sleet]

Is the sound test on the website stock?

[tidal sleet]

Ok

[tranquil acorn]

hey i assume the Lekker spring packs are also compatible with the lekker v2 switches on the 80he?

[jolly tangle]

yes

[buoyant solstice]

Just swapped one of my V2's with my L80 springs. No issues there 🙂

[hidden field]

need raw sample AAAAAAAAAA

[jolly tangle]

your wish has been received

[fleet raven]

Question: since the case is made out of 2 parts will we be able order the top and bottom part separately?

Example: black bottom case + white top plate

Will that be possible one day? 😇

[coarse gulch]

How would you describe the quality difference between V1s and V2s? Are they noticeably less wobbly? Is it a remarkable upgrade in general?

[tidal sleet]

Are the switches on the 60he different from the 80he?

[coarse gulch]

Yes, 60he has Lekker v1

[dim sierra]

2 more months

[tidal sleet]

For me 3 more months

[dim sierra]

i think they will replace v1 with v2 when v2 officially releases

and its less wobble like how jade is

[buoyant solstice]

I am not the guy to ask about this for sure. They feel softer and quieter overall.

V2 switches will be introduced into prebuilt boards as old stock is exhausted. Loose packs will be sold as soon as we have them in stock (most likely August)

[tidal sleet]

Did the jades come out?

[buoyant solstice]

We won't stock the jades till the 80HE preorders ship.

[upbeat berry]

youll need to order 2 complete cases for that

also no guarantees on them being interchangeable and closing properly without any gaps

[buoyant solstice]

Also keep in mind that you will -not- be able to mix PCR and Zinc

[upbeat berry]

oh and that yeah

[dim sierra]

someone do a caseless built

[upbeat berry]

i mean thats easy just put the module on the desk

[tidal sleet]

Jade vs v2? Differences?

[buoyant solstice]

tba

[buoyant solstice]

Won't really work since it's gasket mount.

[dim sierra]

[buoyant solstice]

I mean you'll have a functional keyboard, but you won't get any of the benefits of having a gasket mounted case, since it's no longer suspended in mid air, but laying flat.

[tidal sleet]

Is the gasket gonna feel bouncy?

[buoyant solstice]

I haven't noticed anything.

[dim sierra]

dont expect too much bounce because it might mess up the HE sensors

[buoyant solstice]

Uh... what?

The entire module moves up and down as one.

[tidal sleet]

Ye I knew that that's why I was confused when they announced the gasket mount

[dim sierra]

i mean wasnt flex a concern for sensor issues?

[upbeat berry]

of flex cut topplates yes

our default topplates are fine

[dim sierra]

gasket is fine since both plate and pcb moves together

[buoyant solstice]

Entirely unrelated to the gasket mount.

[tidal sleet]

Ohhhh

[dim sierra]

missed gasket on the his question xdd

[wheat wadi]

any raw zinc pictures?

[buoyant solstice]

See the latest update video. It's has an entire section about raw zinc

[jade widget]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-gollum-gif-27434633

[wheat wadi]

i need more pictures for a friend 😉

[buoyant solstice]

Then pause the video and take screenshots

[bleak parcel]

How would the wooting logo (the word wooting on the side of the port) look like on the ghost? I don't think I've seen pictures of that yet

[buoyant solstice]

Ghost is plastic. So it would be the plastic mould itself.

[tranquil acorn]

im jealous

[buoyant solstice]

All in good time. Team's working hard to ensure customers get the best possible board.

[vast prairie]

Is there not a TKL option?

[wispy trellis]

the wooting one ^^

[vast prairie]

I don't get this 80% layout, never heard anyone prefer that to TKL

[buoyant solstice]

Like it or don't, it is what we're offering. 🙂
You could consider it our spin on TKL.

[wispy trellis]

so you came her to rant about it 😉

im sure you can get a one on ebay:P

[fleet raven]

Its basically a TKL tho 😂

[vast prairie]

What was wrong with this layout?

[wispy trellis]

im actually although thinking wooting did a mistake here because

• standard makes many ppl happy
• a lot of 3rd party products where fitting
• franken wootings are one thing that made wootings very very popular specialy ppl asking formodul
• a lot of stuff where available outside of wooting like a wrist rest etc pp

now selling module only makes only sense if your willing to build your own case
you can only buy wooting accessory and cases and osome ppl will get a hard wakeup call when they hope for 3rd party cases

so for a company whichh literly is very open and profiteted great from standard layout i don't think it's a smart move they will sell more of their own cases but i don't think that will help in the long run as having the 60 standard size did...

On the other hand i like a smaller profile

[vast prairie]

yeah I just find it weird

it feels like they wanted to be different, so just did something random for the sake of being different

I actually use all 6 of the keys on the side, so I like home end as well

[wispy trellis]

the idee behind it is good explodet layout is not as good as all are thinking because of the bigger size down BUT having your own layout instead of a faar acceptet one has its own negative sides

[vast prairie]

can you map with the software so that you could maybe have if you shift + pg up it is enter and if you shift + pg dn it is end?

[wispy trellis]

you will hafe 0 problems you can make it with long and short press

[upbeat berry]

we have brought this up a few times but so far no one can tell us where this many third party TKL cases are. the 60he was a very special case (as is the entire dz60/gh60 space)

[wispy trellis]

HE switches literly make it very easy to double bind keys

[vast prairie]

yeah but I would rather shift or ctrl and click, can you map that?

[upbeat berry]

fn not shift

shift is an OS controlled key

so is ctrl (and alt)

[vast prairie]

okay but fn should be fine I guess

[wispy trellis]

interesting point i just saw some youtube videos '"use this case or that " and the community seemed happy with that and handrests could easy be bought from difrent brands