🌟│wooting80he

[wind tiger]

(totally not a zinc anode for electroplating)

[quiet basin]

I think I have a keyboard addiction and Wooting is at fault

[proper pine]

I saw the thread about the coil whine, is that a real problem? Is it annoyingly noticeable? Will it be resolved?

[buoyant solstice]

Turn down the LED brightness a bit. That's the solution.

[humble cargo]

only if you're a zoomer

[dreamy sedge]

or just blast your ears with some hardbass for a few hours 😄

[winged birch]

On 100% brightness, yes, to me it is. I currently have it on 40% which is fine if you were born in the dark, molded by it and reside in it.

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-12311761

[proper pine]

As far as I know this issue hasn't really been addressed considering the he80? but at the same time is it even possible to fix that?

[midnight iron]

The wooting led go crazy bright. As in waaay more bright than you’d ever really need. I’d imagine most folks with the issue just turn it down ever so slightly

[buoyant solstice]

The "fix" would be to use less vibrant LEDs. So we either tell people who DO have an issue to turn down LEDs, or we FORCE everyone to do so artificially.

[proper pine]

I guess the way to do it, is just keeping it as is. So just not crank them to a hundred :) And everyone can adjust to their liking

[winged birch]

It has been addressed and explained by Calder here: #🌟│wooting80he message

[buoyant solstice]

Calder's just reiterating what we keep saying.

[oak jungle]

the 80he available for pre-order or still ?

[spark hound]

not yet!

[dense ridge]

but how is it possible then that this problem is only in wooting? i mean steel series or logitech also have very bright rgbs but there are no coil whines

[jolly tangle]

they dont? or is it because you are very active on a wooting discord?

[dense ridge]

cant understand the connection between my activity on discord and coil whines... but i had g915 g715 and none of them had any coil whine even with max rgb... also i have never heard that there is a problem like this from my friends who are using apex pro

[jolly tangle]

there we go 😛

[lapis galleon]

you have to remember the majority of people are listening to audio with headphones on while gaming

as stated multiple times, the only way to reduce coil whine would be lowering the max brightness of the LEDs, which wooting has stated they dont want to do

it wont effect most and truly isnt that big of an issue, you're just seeing the vocal minority

also those keyboards you listed probably dont get that bright, every gaming board I've seen doesnt have nearly as bright LEDs

[whole badger]

Been busy this last week. Any news on a possible preorder date?

[jolly tangle]

no

also you find all the information on the webpage

[verbal solar]

I hope they make the 80he translucent!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[fallow spire]

Reading through it globally, it sounds like he is sound dampening by sealing openings from a larger, actual coil inside the box, component.

This won’t work on the keyboard pcb. Due to the small PCB area but large amount of traces required for all the LED, it causes a lot to be more condensed together, which creates vibrations (coil whine), which is then amplified by the speakers.

[solar dune]

hey! I just bought a 60HE yesterday i’m wondering when i would get it with the highest shipping i’m based in Australia. It’s just because i have a global tournament soon in the next couple weeks i’m wondering if it will arrive in time

[lapis galleon]

maybe dont ping the CEO

[lapis galleon]

check on https://hub.wooting.io/my/orders

[celest sigil]

im gonna get this one too if the 60 HE+ is convincing i will invest in here

[grim fiber]

huh, he left already. or got kicked? xd

[buoyant solstice]

They probably realised that we do in fact not do customer support on Discord and emailed us instead.

[grim fiber]

true tbh

i assume it will be possible to use for example FN+Pg Up or FN+Pg Dn as Home/End? since those keys arent on the 80he. but i'd like to use them anyhow

dont own a wooting yet, but i kinda want to? would've loved a straight numpad cut, all other keys included

[buoyant solstice]

Yeah totally. We already provide this functionality on the 60HE in the same way. Virtual layers accessed with FN. Full customizability.

[grim fiber]

but it is what it is, 80he layout looks aight too

sweeeeeeeeeeeeet, probably gonna get the 80he as it releases then
thanks!

[buoyant solstice]

We also include all of the keycaps on the cluster, so you can pick your favourite four out of six. Or do something completely different if you prefer.

[grim fiber]

:pepeOK:

[frosty flicker]

is there an estimated price range for release?

[nova nexus]

Generally similar to how our current keyboards are priced

[median olive]

B...but pure uranium is even denser!

[frosty flicker]

Q3 feels so far away

[median olive]

This guy gets it!

[wind tiger]

brass die casting is a whole lot more expensive from what I know

[rose crane]

i use rapid trigger on my apex pro tkl 2019 edition and while typing it annoys me that this is happening

does wooting a better job with rapid trigger? on the 80he

when i press 1 button it register like 9

i dont even press it deep or hard

[tight cypress]

Wooting's RT implementation is currently the best, after all they came up with that idea

[rose crane]

hmm true

does wooting use analog or mechenical

[tight cypress]

Analog, magnetic switches

[buoyant solstice]

Hall Effect analog (into digital inputs)

[rose crane]

ow okeyyyyy thank you

LOOK IT HAPPEND AGAIN

i cant wait for the 80he man

[tight cypress]

Lemme tell you - I've seen a lot of people coming here switching from SteelSeries, and their reaction is always priceless

[rose crane]

damm now i cant wait

i wanted a tkl or anything bigger then the 60he for so long and its finally happening

i now there is a full sized but i dont want a full size

and wanna support my fellow dutch brothers

[tight cypress]

I get ya, I'm waiting for 80he too, would be perfect for my work

[humble cargo]

steelseries software causes depression

[rose crane]

what kinda work you do

[humble cargo]

its scientifically proven

[rose crane]

so true man i wanna delete it so bad but i got a headset from steelseries

[tight cypress]

Sitting at PC 8h/day, making sure no server is sad and that they all behave
Sysadmin in other words

[rose crane]

you get paid for that?

[tight cypress]

Yeah, Linux/System Administration is paid quite well

[rose crane]

dayum

you are a true discord mod but your getting the bag soooo...

how many servers actually?

[tight cypress]

I'm not sure how many racks/blades our corpo has, but overall there would be 3000 or so hosts I think

[rose crane]

hmmm

thats cool bro keep it up

[jolly tangle]

they wont miss a rack or 2 for educational purposes?

[tight cypress]

They already are

[jolly tangle]

ok yes i want to teach economic lessons. i need about 5000 cuda cores

[upbeat berry]

yeah send over some racks calslock

[tight cypress]

I only yoinked a switch and DL380 Gen8 from there, fixed it a bit, and it's working nicely
There's a lot of stuff thrown out during upgrades, quite a lot of them end up with me, mostly cables

[lapis galleon]

you're a thief!!!

[upbeat berry]

i still need to fix my dl380pg8 25slot lid

or well

the LFF lid i modified to a 25SFF lid

[lapis galleon]

those things could've gone to a landfill as e-waste! why would you help the environment!

[tight cypress]

Am I though? Think how much energy it still consumes instead of lying on a landfill

https://tenor.com/view/easter-funny-shrek-funny-face-gif-16873758

[lapis galleon]

TRUE!

[tight cypress]

I have 8x2.5 there, but oh boy, it still does have DVD drive

[upbeat berry]

i changed to the 25SFF front because i just wanted raw capacity

[proper dawn]

hi! I'm interested in purchasing 80he. is it known what does the colorful bar above arrow keys does?

[candid ginkgo]

how much will the 80he cost in usd

[buoyant solstice]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[candid ginkgo]

oh thanks

[buoyant solstice]

Dude... read two posts up. Come on 😄

[oak wind]

Ive just seen

Sorry I’m eu

[brittle fossil]

just bought 60he+, and now i discover that the 80he is coming... sad 😦

[jolly tangle]

sure over something half a year

[brittle fossil]

Aaaa ok, so i’m happy with 60he+

[dense ridge]

Any info? How 80he will sound? I really hope that it will sound like a custom keyboard.. 60he is superior in terms of performance but in terms of sound its really not that good

[viscid owl]

It will sound like a duck each time you press a button

[fallen epoch]

🦆

[verbal solar]

i hate people who care that much about sound. dude, it’s a keyboard that was made for pure gaming performance, sound or aesthetics was nowhere near one of the things that they were focusing on while making it.

how are you going to expect a keyboard that was made for gaming performance to sound like a custom? same thing for people who were getting pissed about the arrow keys, they moved it, now it’s going to delay the process by over a month

literally completely useless

literally just knit picking everything about the wooting and making it something that it’s not meant to be

tell me i’m wrong rn

[main dust]

Is there a ChatGPT summary on the last Friday stream yet?

[ebon sluice]

If you can have the best of both worlds then why not? And besides it's not exactly rocket science to make a keyboard sounds good, with gasket mounting for the 80HE the only thing that it needs is refinement with next gen Lekkers. With the market heating up Wooting may as well add that sweetener with good sound and aesthetics.

[verbal solar]

the 80he has pontential to be a good sounding keyboard but what i’m implying is even if it isn’t you can not be suprised or mad about it

and when people complain about the 60he having a bad sound profile that’s absolutely insane

[ebon sluice]

It's a very small minority who complain about the sound though

[verbal solar]

very small is a stretch i actively see people complain about the sound profile but more than that was the arrow keys on the 80he, that honestly pissed me off the most. they were going crazy about the arrow keys and they moved them to the right .2m and now it’s getting delayed like 2 more months because of that. absolutely insane people care that much

[ebon sluice]

The arrow keys have been the biggest concern for the 80HE and pales in comparison to kids worried that it isn't going to sound like a Singa Unikorn. But yeah, the OG arrows didn't bother me at all so I agree with the delay being a bit of a pain

[viscid owl]

I am surprised about how much you care about people wanting an improved sound profile
Like bra, they are customers asking for improvements. the 60HE at least allowed for a lot of aftermarket customisation, which helped those unhappy with the initial presentation. the 80HE created a proprietary standard making modifications harder. So of course the concern is going to be what it sounds like out of the box, and Wooting can easily add this in as a cherry topper to. the big gaming performance.

Personally I am looking forward to the improved key stabilisation as whilst gaming the wobble is pretty nasty

[pliant goblet]

i think the arrow keys should be in the middle of the keyboard andnot on the side

have the regular keyboard split in half with the arrow keys in the middle

most people type with two hands so this will make it not so scrunched up, allowing for more efficient typing, you can even put like a monitor or something else above or below the arrow keys, or plop a huge wooting logo above and below them

[ebon sluice]

Who, me? I'm nonchalant about keyboard sounds. I have a varied collection and don't really care either way anymore

As someone mentioned above, if the 80HE sounded like a duck then I'll buy two

[ebon sluice]

Pitch this to Finalmouse for real

[viscid owl]

vdrxp was the one ranting about how much he hated people who cared about sound profiles, not you

[ebon sluice]

[viscid owl]

I have improved upon the design by adding 4 additional sets of arrows keys, enabling you to be ready in ANY situation.

[dense ridge]

@verbal solari hate people who hate people! When u are paying 200 euro for a keyboard u want to get the best possible keyboard in every aspect in that price range! something is wrong with you if u dont care about the sound at all! would buy even a keyboard with super loud blue switches ? for 200 euro? while there are options with almost custim lvl sound and also much cheaper?

[upbeat berry]

ill have bad new for yall and your designs

its easier to manufacture straight edges and square caps

[fallen forge]

now we talking

[tight cypress]

would buy even a keyboard with super loud blue switches ? for 200 euro?
I would

[dense ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-nope-no-nuh-uh-no-way-gif-21846503

[tight cliff]

I like the Lekker sound, it's unique, the wobble could be improved but don't really notice it. There's 3rd party switches for those who like also usually use headphones so don't really listen to how the keyboard sounds

[sterile walrus]

I agree. But you'll never convince certain keyboard nerds that sound isn't the absolute most important thing about their board. They obsess over it like Ahab & the whale.

[toxic zephyr]

either outlook is fine

nicer sound is nicer, I don't know what kind of dented braincase you need to have to argue otherwise though

"I want my keyboard to sound like garbage because it's a gaming keyboard" is a really terrible take quite honestly

why not have both

[humble cargo]

professional grass touching avoiders

[sterile walrus]

LOL

A bit wordy but I like it

[verbal solar]

this makes no sense u just admitted to hating yourself. additionally, this is nowhere near true this is like saying i want a lambo but the off roading isn’t the best even though it should be

like ur argument isn’t valid u can’t just always expect the best of both worlds with a niche product

the wooting was meant for basically one thing and one thing only

[toxic zephyr]

your analogy is not right because offroading features would necessarily take away from performance on the flat, whereas making the keyboard sound better does not take away from the gaming experience

simply put it's in everyone's best interest to make the keyboard be -- and sound -- as good as possible

[lament saffron]

There is more to consider than just sound and performance. If it was as easy as juggling 2 things that would be relatively small task compared to also considering feel and ergonomics. As an example, ergonomics and reduced wrist strain is important to Wooting so they are trying to deliver something with a lower/neutral typing angle. That means the case has less volume under the PCB, which makes it tougher to optimize for sound, and stiffer materials needed for HE performance mean that feel becomes a challenge and than after considering all of that you still have to keep the price competitive. It's never black and white.

[lapis galleon]

imho sound in a gaming board isnt the most important focus, and if you're hoping to get the best sounding board ever then you're going to be quite disappointed. that said, wooting is trying their hardest to get this to sound good (PC plate, gasket mount, new switches, etc). a lot of people already think that the wooting sounds better than their previous keyboard, and the only people I've seen complain are keyboard enthusiast. I genuinely do believe that this is going to be the best sounding gaming board on the market, but if you're hoping for custom keeb levels of sound quality then you're just asking for too much.

[amber merlin]

I dont really care about the sound for me its sound okay

[jovial ferry]

Yeah, is there any chance for a chatGPT summary of the last livestream?

[nova nexus]

Whoops forgot about that over the weekend... 😅

[nova nexus]

https://chat.openai.com/share/e/ebc20e39-5151-4aea-b43b-4581fc192d95
@main dust

Added the link to the post in #📣│announcements also

[jovial ferry]

Thanks !

[polar storm]

link seems to be broken - or is it just me?

[nova nexus]

Hmmmm apparently OpenAI updated enterprise plans such that shared links can only be accessed within the workspace

I don't have a quick solution to that

For now then;

The livestream from Wooting covered a variety of topics related to their upcoming keyboards, the 80HE and the 60HE+, as well as operational updates and their approach to sustainability. Here's a detailed recap organized by key points:

Introduction and Technical Setup

The stream started with some technical jank, which was quickly resolved. The hosts, including operations manager Mark, discussed the setup and did a quick audio/video check with the audience.

Community Engagement

They encouraged viewers to participate in a poll posted on Discord and Twitter about the D (likely referring to a design aspect of one of the keyboards) and welcomed questions throughout the livestream.

Keyboard Updates: 80HE and 60HE+

80HE Update: The discussion on the 80HE was limited due to the hosts not being directly involved with the physical product's development. They mentioned that details about the hardware internals are still top secret. However, they reviewed case options and the company's philosophy on color offerings and sustainability. They aim for 85% post-consumer recycled plastic in the 80HE's case, emphasizing their push towards more sustainable production methods.
60HE+ Transition: The transition from the 60HE to the 60HE+ was discussed, including what went well and the operational challenges faced. They highlighted the smoothness of the transition but delved into the complexities of offering multiple product variations and the impact on operational costs and sustainability.

Sustainability Efforts

Wooting is focusing on using post-consumer recycled materials for their keyboards and improving the efficiency of their global logistics to reduce their environmental footprint. They discussed the challenges of balancing sustainability with product quality and customer expectations.

Operational Updates

The stream covered operational aspects, including updates on customer service and the status of orders for the 60HE+. They also touched on payment verification processes and the reasons behind them.

Product Variations and Customization

The discussion included the challenges of offering multiple color options and layouts for their keyboards, especially in terms of operational costs and inventory management. They mentioned the possibility of offering a zinc alloy case for the 80HE and discussed the advantages of die-casting over CNC machining in terms of cost and design flexibility.

Audience Questions and Feedback

The hosts addressed questions from the audience about wireless functionality, material choices for the keyboards, and the possibility of new color options. They emphasized that wireless is not currently in the plans due to the power requirements and regulatory challenges of shipping batteries.

Conclusion

The livestream concluded with encouragement for the community to participate in the ongoing discussions about the keyboards on Discord and Twitter and to provide feedback on the color options and features they would like to see.
This recap provides a comprehensive overview of the livestream, highlighting Wooting's commitment to innovation, sustainability, and community engagement in the development of their new keyboards.

[main dust]

Thank you

[quasi crater]

Is the LED buzzing sound really that bad guys, i dont want to listen to that all day

[lapis galleon]

its really not, and if it is just lower your LEDs

I have not noticed it at all even on full brightness

[spark hound]

So, 100% brightness you might hear it. Reduce it, and it's gone.

Note that 100 is real bright

Like.. Very bright

[lapis galleon]

, wooting's LEDs are stupid bright... like unrealistically and unnecessarily bright

[midnight iron]

Yeah even turning them down a tad is already brighter than a lot of boards at max brightness

[ashen echo]

80he 60%🙏🙏

[quasi crater]

Ohh okay then it wont be an issue for me 😄 ty guys

[lapis galleon]

boy do I have news for you...

[quasi crater]

My current keyboard has opposite problem, if i dont have LED’s on it makes coil whine sound 😅😆 and need to turn the power supply off when i turn off the pc too or it will make noise while the PC is off… 😅

[lapis galleon]

very weird issue

[toxic zephyr]

sounds healthy

[quasi crater]

hahha yea

But its from 2016 or something that keyboard

[ashen echo]

Tell me the news haha

[lapis galleon]

#archived_wooting_60he

[true kernel]

Hello. You have decided on the price for 80HE?

[toxic zephyr]

no

[viscid owl]

Gonna need to make a "Don't make me tap the sign" gif for the repetitive questions no one has answers to yet

[sleek pelican]

hey anyone know how much the 80he is gonna be https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1138104303568027718.png?quality=lossless

[polar storm]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[tawdry fiber]

GTA6 will launch before 80He

[buoyant solstice]

But unlike GTA6, the 80HE hasn't been in preproduction for a decade.

[tawdry fiber]

At this point, it might as well be

[trim sedge]

Have some patience 👍

[balmy gust]

After over a week with the 60HE. I've learned that this is one of the best keyboards I've ever owned/used. I also miss the hell out of my arrow keys haha. Excited for the 80He. I think it will be the perfect mix

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/subida-gif-18379274

Thanks a lot for the insight. I hope one day there may be an ingenious solution but we’ll see. 😌

[winged birch]

https://youtu.be/GENQPeDLUeQ?si=RciloS85tUZTbche

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-chad-meme-dub-gif-25628266

[tight cliff]

Oh new video already, nice

[winged birch]

W, for Wooting.

[lethal abyss]

oh boy I hope you are ready for lots of support tickets with people having edge cases usb controllers that shit the bed at 8khz

but nice to see mcu improvements

[buoyant solstice]

I imagine it'll be a toggle feature, just like Tachyon. Just to retain that "safe" out of box experience.

Like with 6KRO for BIOS.

[nova nexus]

I'm just glad that we can finally talk about what's under the hood, having to keep my mouth shut this whole time was hard 😂

[lethal abyss]

yeah would make sense, but will still break or cause issues, similar to what the b450 amd bios issues were, but this time it wont just be one vendors boards haha

but at least it will still work normally even on those cases

[winged birch]

8KHz polling and scanning is massive, for marketing too.

[lethal abyss]

oh for sure

[tight cliff]

Yeah

[nova nexus]

It sets the bar high

[tight cliff]

Elite mouse in the video too 😎

[lethal abyss]

small but nice actual benefit, 8x marketing benefit

[nova nexus]

But let's be real here - the difference is less than a millisecond... 😅

[real gulch]

nah i need 80he now

[nova nexus]

Yes you do

[real gulch]

it will make me best gamer

[buoyant solstice]

Tachyon is also a fraction of a second of benefit. But that doesn't stop everyone and their pet parakeet from insisting on it.

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-party-gif-22113017

[lethal abyss]

hey at least you got 8khz sorted so you can enter the mouse business now 😉

[tight cliff]

Make them gamer moves

[fallen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/unmatched-speed-blowtorchmoron-monkey-speed-gif-20235454

[lethal abyss]

I bet calder could rant about mouse wheel QA on all brands so a wooting mouse with 8kz and not shite mouse wheel please xD

[nova nexus]

We still have no interest in competing in this mouse market, and that's got nothing to do with 8k

Unless....

[real gulch]

👀

[tight cliff]

😱

[nova nexus]

[lethal abyss]

I'll send enough bad ones to calder so he rants enough and wants to change the market

[nova nexus]

[real gulch]

(80he has a mouse sensor on the bottom)

[buoyant solstice]

The Wooting Maus
Featuring our patented Zoomy Woomy optimization tech.

[upbeat berry]

yeah its 0.875ms

[real gulch]

2 in 1

[nova nexus]

Why even get a mouse when you can move your entire keyboard!

[upbeat berry]

AI tech for predictive clicking. itll just click when it thinks you want and theres no way to turn it off or train it

also no physical mouse buttons

or touch buttons

[buoyant solstice]

[real gulch]

the keyboard is never wrong

the user is just bad

[nova nexus]

The keyboard hallucinates and suddenly you're browsing porn at work

[real gulch]

😵‍💫

[lethal abyss]

my biggest gripe with the video? calder must be the only person I know who unironically calls twitter x

[nova nexus]

We'

re hip mkay

[tight cypress]

Why I read it as

suddenly you're browning pork

[nova nexus]

Ooeh

That might actually be better

[tight cypress]

Yeah, time to get something to eat

[kind wasp]

good that i didnt buy the 60%

[frail socket]

im faster than 8khz

[winged birch]

You got auto censoring biltin

[grim fiber]

finally, a worthy keyboard to replace my almost 15 years old razer blackwidow

[tight cliff]

Would be nice to get a good MX Master mouse, really like the side scroll wheels

[fervent whale]

it's fair to say for someone who doesn't care about the number to just get a 60he+ if they prefer the form factor then right? Doesn't sound like a difference anyone would ever notice in actual use

[nova nexus]

If the 60% formfactor is your gig, then jump on it because it's a great keyboard and you will love it

[tight cliff]

The things i'm more interested in the 80HE though is the Add-on and colours 😆 (Still it's nice with 8KHz)

[winged birch]

The 60HE will have to get upgraded too but not before the 80HE. People have to have a reason to upgrade from the 60HE to the 80 😂

[lapis galleon]

8k polling and scanning is super hype but in a realistic scenario doesnt matter since we're talking about less than a millisecond in difference, so the 60he is still realistically as good as the 80he

[grim fiber]

my mouse can go up to 4k polling rate (supposedly 8k with a patch soonTM) but i only use 2k for increased battery life. cant feel a difference between 2k and 4k anyways, and i'm quite susceptible to latency tbh

buuuuut its definitly a nice-to-have

[tight cliff]

The Lekker cable is unique so would be nice to match it with something

[nova nexus]

The difference is actually tiny, and it even be more perceptible with mice

[fervent whale]

I also assume it's way less of a difference for keyboards, as a mouse sensor polling constantly will probably make more use of the polling rate

[nova nexus]

But if our competitors are going to half-ass 8k for the marketing number without scanning at that speed to match, well we're here to show them how it's actually done

[kind wasp]

all these 60% lovers have to switch to 80%

[winged birch]

You know if pro player A has an edge of 0.8ms over pro player B, you know damn well that pro player A loses every time because of his keyboard. 😂

[fervent whale]

It's a good decision either way, some people are very fixated on specs on paper, even if it wont be that noticeable

[upbeat berry]

thatll be an issue if all of them use the 80he

[real gulch]

will there be a selection screen for the polling rate (like on many mice) or is it a special mode (like tachyon)?

[lapis galleon]

100%, I dont see how this doesnt make sense

[winged birch]

If neither have an edge and one loses, he obviously hadn’t had practice yet and it was windy too.

[upbeat berry]

we prob wont make the polling rate changeable but the internal scanrate

[tight cypress]

8ms advantage? Sure. 0.8ms? Hell naw, they're still humans...

[nova nexus]

My expectation is that it will be a toggle of some kind, whether that's default within tachyon mode or a setting or something else is tbd

[tight cypress]

Turbo Tachyon

[nova nexus]

Ludacris mode

[ember cradle]

What is high speed USB? How do I know i check if i have it?

[grim fiber]

i'd appreciate the option to toggle it, but i'll buy it anyways probably

[winged birch]

Then after the 80HE the 60HE++ launches and all will switch back again. 💀

[upbeat berry]

high speed is usb 2.0

[kind wasp]

rip 600 bucks

[fervent whale]

Is there any timeframe for a 8k hz 60he?

[lapis galleon]

are there any plans to release a 60he with the updated specs?

[real gulch]

i only have ps/2 :C

[nova nexus]

There has been no talk of an 8k 60HE

[winged birch]

pros can notice 0.00001ms, don’t you know that?

[fervent whale]

I see, thanks for the info

[lapis galleon]

gotcha, yeah that makes sense tbh

[upbeat berry]

i mean technically superior to a comparable usb keyboard

[grim fiber]

yh same xd

[rose crane]

can the 80he make tea when i am in the bathroom??

[ember cradle]

O sweet. got a few of those 😄 So is everything beyond usb 2.0 high speed too?

[lapis galleon]

the next big step for wooting is creating a wireless HE keyboard that doesnt die instantly

[grim fiber]

in a perfect scenario i can feel 16-17ms easily, but below that? hell nah

[winged birch]

Will the 80HE need active cooling? 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 😂😂

[upbeat berry]

they are super speed but all usb ports are backwards compatbile with older versions

[tight cliff]

Built in fans with a vapor chamber

[winged birch]

HELL YEAH!

[upbeat berry]

the same way all USB devices are backwards compatible with older ports

[nova nexus]

Why have built in fans when we've got all of you?

[grim fiber]

if you put 4 fans on the keyboard, will it fly?

[nova nexus]

Our external fans

[winged birch]

80HE drone edition OMG

[lapis galleon]

in the plastic case? maybe. in the zinc alloy case? good luck.

[ember cradle]

Another question! Does the 8K polling increase CPU usage? cause I'm running hot already

[buoyant solstice]

Yes it does.

[real gulch]

bc of leds and power?

[upbeat berry]

na usually easier to change without a device reconnect

[real gulch]

ahh

[ember cradle]

was that a response to me?

[winged birch]

Forced 8K polling might causes issues for some no?

[toxic zephyr]

ooh I'm happy to be proven wrong -- about the 8k thing

[lapis galleon]

same

[buoyant solstice]

Yes it was.

[toxic zephyr]

cool beans W team

[upbeat berry]

we still need to do a lot of testing

[midnight iron]

impressive. I was only guessing 8k polling and 4k scanning

[grim fiber]

IM READY BOYS
LETS GOOOOOOO

[midnight iron]

nice to see I underguessed the performance increases

[winged birch]

I think if the keyboard has a better MCU than the PC has a CPU forcing 8KHz won’t be easy on the PC. 😂😂

[winged birch]

HOLYYY, the finger remover 8000

[upbeat berry]

id be concerned about customers that have such cpu

[toxic zephyr]

okay so now taking bets, how many competitors will start using the wording "True 8K polling" now

[upbeat berry]

0

cause no one has it

lol

[jolly tangle]

is your keyboard going to visit addivka before your tournement begins?

[toxic zephyr]

well yeah, not yet

[frail socket]

does razer my goat have it

[toxic zephyr]

but in the future when they do, I guarantee you they will use the same wording just like they did with rapid trigger hahaha

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/pepega-pls-xqc-dance-pepega-dance-pepe-pls-pepega-gif-16147647

[frigid ravine]

wait what? i thought every usb port nowadays is 2.0 at least, so 3.0+ is the high speed ones

[upbeat berry]

not that i have seen

[upbeat berry]

most are 3.0 yes but high speed is 2.0

[jolly tangle]

it looks more likely and likely that this will be the first keyboard on the market with true 8k polling

[upbeat berry]

3.0 is superspeed

[rose crane]

blackwidow v4 pro

[upbeat berry]

until someone posts scanrates from an oscilloscope i would air on the side of its just 8khz polling and not 8khz scanning so marketing words to sell stuff

[rose crane]

idk about polling rate and stuff and how it works but razer said up to 8k hz but its probably scam

bottom you cannn see

[tight cypress]

Up to

[nova nexus]

Well let's be very careful in our wording here

Razer is not scamming anyone

[winged birch]

It could be. As least as of now there’s no other 8KHz scanning and polling board from a company that I know of.

[upbeat berry]

polling rate is just how often your pc asks the keyboard for new data. its not the internal scanrate of the keyboard checking each key

[jolly tangle]

1.7s ms

[nova nexus]

Why is your screenshot so weird 😂

[upbeat berry]

so you can see the favorites

and make fun of them

[toxic zephyr]

I can't wait to clown on other companies when they start including "true 8k polling" in their marketing materials

[tight cliff]

OSRS!

[nova nexus]

As long as they respect the difference and actually speak truth with it, I'm absolutely down

[rose crane]

1,7ms is fast tbh

[jolly tangle]

i delete this before people see i play runescape

[upbeat berry]

so the thing is polling literally says nothing about how fast the keyboard itself scans the keys. it is an easy buzzword to use and only means your keyboard can get asked 8000times per second by the pc for new data. if the keyboard internally doesnt scan at 8khz as well then there wont be new data every time the pc asks

[jolly tangle]

[toxic zephyr]

I dislike the apple-esque way of obfuscating information under a word like "retina" or whatever

but I understand that it's natural for most people to just go with a marketing term

[scenic sundial]

Then what was the point of the arm32 extra wait time for the 60HE?

[toxic zephyr]

instead of very wordily explaining the featureset

[nova nexus]

What?

[real gulch]

imma make a 8000hz polling 125hz scanning keyboard

[rose crane]

isnt 8k 0.125ms

[upbeat berry]

well even an 8khz scanning and polling device wont hit 0.125ms

mainly due to added overhead from USB

[scenic sundial]

What?

[midnight iron]

The funniest example is the Corsair keyboard which does 8k poll but scans slower than some 1k polling boards

[frigid ravine]

glad to know the 80he will be better than expected, now my last wish is to get it asap xD

[real gulch]

Same

[rose crane]

did the 60he quickly sold out and will the 80he be sold out in like 1 min

[unique hemlock]

Is it just me, or would buying a 60HE once the 80HE comes out just make no sense then 🤔

[midnight iron]

My last wish is for the success of the church of the white, cream and light mocha 80he zinc alloy churches

[lethal abyss]

all 3 wooting boards are mostly the same performance wise so you just get whatever form factor you prefer

[toxic zephyr]

it will not "sell out" because there's not a limited quantity available

[unique hemlock]

Not to performance enthusiasts 🥲

[lethal abyss]

sorry I disregard opinions made on 0.8ms differences

[toxic zephyr]

yeah if all you care about is banging your head against the ranked ladder of your favourite twitch-shooter, you do want to get the 80HE and disregard any other preference you might have

[lapis galleon]

its just you, the performance difference is negligible, if people want 60% or fullsize they're going to get those respective layouts.

[unique hemlock]

If you think it doesn't matter, why do you think any company would bother making the change

[toxic zephyr]

but for the other people just would pick what's more enjoyable to use in the longterm

[lethal abyss]

marketing

[lapis galleon]

marketing

no plans as of right now (at least for the 60HE*)

[lethal abyss]

also I didnt say it's the exact same, I said mostly the same

[unique hemlock]

I mean it's kind of a personal decision at that point, do you wanna buy the worse product? :shrug:

[lapis galleon]

its in no way a worse product??

[unique hemlock]

Yes it is.

[toxic zephyr]

it's only worse viewed through the lens of latency measurements

[lapis galleon]

no human can notice a 0.8ms difference, its meaningless

[unique hemlock]

"It's only worse in latency" yes that makes it worse guys

[rich bison]

Will the 80he have a daughter board with usb-c? It looks like it isn’t decided yet.

[unique hemlock]

Even if true, irrelevant, it still IS worse

[toxic zephyr]

yeah whatever, be a slave to numbers for all I care

[upbeat berry]

the upside is that the 1khz keyboards will be relatively cheap

[tight cypress]

It's not about 60he being worse than 80he, because it's not
It's about how far the technology can be pushed forward

[toxic zephyr]

I would personally just pick whatever layout I want 🙄

[rich bison]

Not public I think that’s why I am asking or I missed it

[lethal abyss]

If you can play more comfortably on a 60% layout you will gain more from that than a "faster" board in a size you dislike/aren't used to

[unique hemlock]

Of course, I'm just saying, I'd update the 60he

[real gulch]

When are we getting performance deterioration

[toxic zephyr]

honestly I would too

[rich bison]

Yeah seems pretty obvious to me as well but they haven’t shown back of keyboard and or pcb

[lapis galleon]

well then you obviously dont know how companies run because it isnt as simple as that. it cost real world money, time, testing, devloping, etc, to update a product in this way, and for such a small change it isnt worth it

[lethal abyss]

yeah updating would make sense from a marketing point if the projected higher sales gain are worth he additional testing/validation etc.

[tight cliff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENQPeDLUeQ

[unique hemlock]

Does that mean that the 80he will be more expensive or that the 60he will get a discount (idk why I'm asking cause you probably can't state that in public for now I'd assume)

[rich bison]

Whoops

[unique hemlock]

It does, but as someone who cares about providing the best product to my customers, I would still do that

[upbeat berry]

funny you say this but 1khz scanning is the limit of usb1.1

so guess what our keyboards use @lament heron

[buoyant solstice]

Scussy masterrace.

[upbeat berry]

SCSI flashbacks

[lapis galleon]

1. not only is its bigger (see the twohe), but its better. ofc its gonna be more expensive. 2. why would their previous keyboard get a discount for a new product release?

[unique hemlock]

"Relatively cheap"

[tight cypress]

It's not like 60he is going to get worse over time

[upbeat berry]

i mean we already dont upcharge idk what wed discount

[lapis galleon]

[upbeat berry]

i somehow expect the second hand market to see a lot of 60hes once the 80he comes out

[real gulch]

imma switch 100%

but more bc i want arrow keys back

[toxic zephyr]

just sell it at a loss!

[real gulch]

seems to be more worthwhile with every video update haha

[tawny burrow]

That kinda sucks I did so much looking for higher polling rate analog keyboard everyone acted like not possible with analog which is crazy I’ have over locked controllers so didn’t make since so b it went all out on a 60he module and aluminaze case and to b told the day it comes in we were saving it for the 80he

[dense ridge]

is the 8k polling the same as in mouses? bc not every pc can handle 8k poling rate mouse

[buoyant solstice]

Correct.

[steady nova]

MANSEN IS BLUE NOW?!?

[rose crane]

i have 7 7800x3d and 4080 and at 4k polling rate on my mouse i get huge fps drops in game

[dense ridge]

thats what about i was speaking

[real gulch]

now u here too

[lapis galleon]

0.9ms difference isnt noticeable, im sure you'll be happy with your 60he

[upbeat berry]

great idea

[steady nova]

I BEEN here

[lapis galleon]

why not just lose money on it and go bankrupt?

[upbeat berry]

ill suggest that in the next company meeting

[frigid ravine]

probably not, cuz i think its hardware related, changing cable wont make any difference

[steady nova]

Just do a downcharge and tank company stocks.

[upbeat berry]

luckily theres no stocks and no investors to keep happy every quarter

[scenic sundial]

https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1207737990533750814

[spark hound]

Nice. 8k polling and 8k scanning

[tawny burrow]

Wouldn’t have taken much effort to change microcontroller on module Atleast but had to save it for 80he as a feature I get it but was expecting cooler stuff from wooting

Gettin into that bigger brand thinking

[lethal abyss]

no it's really not that simple

you dont just put in something like a new cpu and it just works

you need to revalidate the pcb works, the signals work, the ecc certifications are fine and so on, potentially making a new pcb if the old one doesn't work etc.

[tawny burrow]

Yes it does flash firmware to accept higher bit rate

Yes it is that simple

[tight cypress]

No.

[lethal abyss]

you can't just software flash a controller that just can't do faster polling

why do you think people upgrade cpus in their pc, you can't just firmware flash those to be 8x as fast either

[tawny burrow]

More expensive to mass produce on a redo like so but we’d pay for it

Why u would have to change controller

[lethal abyss]

because the one they used can't run as fast?

or the pcb signal integrity isn't holding up

[tawny burrow]

I don’t know which micro they use but no way it’s that out dated to not be able to

[toxic zephyr]

GD32F303

[tawny burrow]

It’s a heat thing really

[lethal abyss]

that is also a possibility

could be all 3 and more

[tawny burrow]

Newer controllers are more efficient

[toxic zephyr]

go look it up, I have it on good source it literally cannot do above 1khz :>

[tawny burrow]

Appreciate it

What micro is 80he using

[lethal abyss]

unknown

[tawny burrow]

I’m not saying the current micro could support I’m just liking the fact of holding it as a marketing item for tkl

Hope they offer a bare pcb for 60he with new mcu

[lethal abyss]

if they had been able to use it on the 60he they would have done so for getting better marketing at that time

[upbeat berry]

simply cause using an external HS chip is more complex (pcb space wise) than just using a different MCU that has HS built in

[mortal dawn]

Does anyone know if 8kHz will be supported on all OSes and if it will be supported in both controller mode and digital mode?

[tawny burrow]

In the future so can upgrade a bit easier

[lethal abyss]

you also need to keep in mind that change to arm on the 60he only happened because the chip shortage and price exploded so the controller used now was probably also a lot mroe expensive if it even existed at that time

[tawny burrow]

Oh yea

[midnight iron]

Now is a good time to let people know that the church of the retro cream and light mocha zinc alloy 80HE are welcoming new members. They are branch churches of our white 80he church and they need our support as well

[tight cypress]

[toxic zephyr]

I'm on board with a cute color like this

[real gulch]

imma stay team dark

[tight cliff]

The right Grey(natural) would probably sell me over but will probably go Team Dark too

[tight cypress]

Church is growing, I see

[toxic zephyr]

we need to found the Sect of the Hydrangea (purple/lavender)

[tight cliff]

PCR with Lekker speckles 🤔

[toxic zephyr]

I liked the idea of the purple translucent case too

[tight cliff]

Yeah , Purple GBC~ 👌

[toxic zephyr]

kinda like the BBOX60

[buoyant solstice]

I liked it

[toxic zephyr]

before it killed your 60he?

[lapis galleon]

RIP 60he 😔

[buoyant solstice]

We learned something important then about custom cases.

[toxic zephyr]

taking one for the team

[tight cypress]

Updated

[spark hound]

And that was

[neat hatch]

Release date possibly???

[buoyant solstice]

. . . what

[neat hatch]

For the keyboard

[buoyant solstice]

What on earth does that have to do with custom cases.

[neat hatch]

I didn't read that my bad

[spark hound]

What did we learn?

[buoyant solstice]

To document the potential issues with custom cases and "superfluous" standoffs, and to be sure to ask customers if they actually bothered to check before mounting.

Or at least picked a known, compatible case.

[winter coral]

Kudos from me, your videos are really high-gloss. Great work from the team.

[jolly tangle]

[tight cypress]

Currently no

[buoyant solstice]

That's the second time someone's replied to that conversation with something completely unrelated.

https://tenor.com/view/jar-jar-binks-how-rude-rude-star-wars-pissed-gif-17565387

1. You replied to a specific conversation.
2. Don't ping staff. Please.

No.

[oak jungle]

if you get wooting it's hard to go back to other keyboards LUL

[nocturne coyote]

why would you go back to other keyboards if you have a wooting?

[glad fable]

woahhh

true 8k polling?!

[oak jungle]

exactly , I used alot of keyboards apex pro G915 hyperx huntsman v3 pro huntsman v2

8k polling rate on raszer keyboard is kinda pointless

even apex pro faster that them

than

[glad fable]

I got alotta lunar new years money so I can afford 80HE now |
and to hear that it's gonna have TRUE 8k polling?!

[oak jungle]

I hope it will be available soon coz I bought the full size I need smaller one but I can't use the 60he

[buoyant solstice]

You'll be waiting a while. Expect a delivery around end of summer

[oak jungle]

yeah it's will take months

[glad fable]

Buying it for my brother 😘 (although his birthday is in April but OH WELL)

[left warren]

8k polling means USB switches will not work or at least not support it? Or are there specific switches that support 8k polling?

[silk hedge]

Yay just saw the 8k hz polling rate happy for the guys that have been asking for that

[unborn drift]

8k polling ratez is horrible I had a keyboard that had it

[buoyant solstice]

It's an option, not forced on you.

[tropic knoll]

Will the wooting 80HE perform better than the 60HE or will it be the same thing just slightly bigger

[jolly tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GENQPeDLUeQ

[lethal abyss]

same thing just 0.8ms faster

[neat hatch]

Vine boom

[neat hatch]

Better

I will drop that cash for it 😜💸

[glad fable]

to be fair that's pretty big 😂

[proper pine]

Hail to the White Zinc Church! :)

[proper pine]

Has anyone every experienced true 8K polling? is it a noticeable difference? It sounds really awesome :)

[amber merlin]

ah yes 8k polling on keyboard does your pc can handle that ?

[lethal abyss]

if it cant just disable it

[void basalt]

Ryzen 5800x3d going to eat that for lunch

[green snow]

now i can fat finger keys 8x as fast

[viscid owl]

8K polling is usually fine on modern PCs except in cases where the game doesn't support it. I found surprisingly that Ultrakill does not support over 1KHz polling rates for mice at least. Causing stuttering

[lapis galleon]

fellow ULTRAKILL enjoyer I see. I think I also noticed this, may need to test it when i’m home.

[weary wren]

its more than likely a you problem with your setup

[viscid owl]

https://tenor.com/view/indie-game-meme-quarter-ultrakill-gif-26112589

[lapis galleon]

TRUE

[scarlet pagoda]

Hello! I just got a Two HE but I didn't see a chat for it, but I was wondering if I could do the wave base layer effect with different colors than the ones preinstalled?

[lapis galleon]

use #💬│general. there isn’t a chat for it since it’s an older product, but this certainly isn’t the right chat.

[scarlet pagoda]

ohh ok

[scarlet pagoda]

thank you

[lapis galleon]

an 80% hall effect keyboard made by a company called wooting

[drifting phoenix]

8k polling only helps if the keyboard itself is reporting updates to the key state that frequently, otherwise it’s virtually pointless

[lapis galleon]

the 80he quite literally does that

8k polling and scanning

imo its virtually pointless either way since its a 0.9ms difference to 1k, but it works wonders for marketing

[leaden surge]

Does the pollnig rate matter in competitive games? like the difference from 60 to 80 he

[drifting phoenix]

Thanks man I totally didn’t know that and wasnt specifically referring to the performance difference of the Wooting board and other brands’ boards

[lapis galleon]

not really

[drifting phoenix]

Fractions of a ms difference but if the goal is the lowest latency between physical action and computer response, it is slightly faster

[lapis galleon]

theres no need to be sarcastic, this channel is specifically for the 80he, not so hard to assume someone might be referring to it.

[dusky pier]

Hey is it just me but for the new 80HE the random RGB bar doesn’t make sense and takes away from the keyboard just kinda some bullshit add on

I fuck wit the product but everytime I see the 80HE and I see that bar im just like wtf is that

[winged birch]

#🌟│wooting80he message this might change after they do more testing.

[midnight iron]

it interacts like a meter via the software and attachment(s)

[wispy finch]

Bro you really need new keyboard

[grim fiber]

its almost 15 years old. still love it, ngl. but yeah, definitly need a new one.

[light escarp]

Bro if you got it for 15 years its time for a upgrade and make it last for 20

[grim fiber]

replaced all the switches a few years ago, works without any issues once again

wooting 80he most promising keyboard in all those years tbh. didnt want to get another 100% and 60% just aint for me

[light escarp]

Least you didnt suffer buying 4 wooting keyboards in the span of 2 weeks and a 4k PC

3 modules 1 prebuild

I havent even touched on the case the stuff ive bought just keyboards

[grim fiber]

buying 2 mice just 3 months apart is enough headache for me already... esspecially since both mice have the same issue after 3 months of use. fucking mousewheels nowadays

[light escarp]

You dont say

[timid abyss]

G pro wireless?

[grim fiber]

yeah, the first lightweight version of it

[timid abyss]

The first super light version was trash

I bought the super light again recently and I love it

The first time I bought it, it felt really cheap and I would almost break it in stressful aiming situations

[grim fiber]

bought the g-wolves htx 4k afterwards, same issue with the mousewheel since today...

[light escarp]

Had to swap out from my Razor Viper V2

To a Shroud G303 and didnt regret it one bit

[grim fiber]

same issue with the mousewheel? a friend got his viper v2 a few days ago and loves it

[light escarp]

Nah i just didnt want a too light of a mouse else cuz ive flicked so hard ive punched into things and bump into stuff

[grim fiber]

ah, i see. yyyyeah i feel that. got a 43g mouse with glas mousepad now, its soooooooooo slippy

[light escarp]

Im running the staurn pro mousepad

[grim fiber]

but i kinda love it? gonna test it for a few weeks and then decide if i keep the mousepad

[light escarp]

saturn v2*

[runic field]

Hi I'm thinking of buying a wooting keyboard but the problem is that I like the TKL keyboard that will be released on the shop and I'm thinking of buying the Full One but I'm hesitating with the 80He is what I'm waiting for it to come out to take it or I go for the Full One

And also when I'm going to have to wait how long for it to come out (80he)

[tight cypress]

Current plan is to deliver 80he by late summer

[runic field]

then im going for the full one 🙂, thx

[runic field]

do you know the price cost ?

[tight cypress]

Priced similarly to other Wooting keyboards, I'd say somewhere around 200~220

[runic field]

i saw the new vidéo on the 80he 8K polling the other wooting will gets this update or no ?

[tight cypress]

Unfortunately not, 80HE will include different MCU

[runic field]

mhhh

[buoyant solstice]

TBA

[sage reef]

now we just need Tactile HE switches, and 80HE is perfect for everything

except the arrow area ofc

[silk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/headache-stupid-people-oh-my-god-omg-oh-my-gosh-gif-22026951

[fallen forge]

Tactile he switches

[nova nexus]

Clekkers

https://tenor.com/view/clogs-dance-gif-25202340

[exotic oxide]

if im not a bilionare is there any sense of upgrading from 60he to 80he

[lapis galleon]

no, no point

unless you don’t like 60%

[chrome badge]

maybe if you are super sweaty gamer and need 0.125ms polling or perhaps some arrow keys

also I am incredibly passionate about the smokey translucent case I hope I don't have to buy it aftermarket

[lapis galleon]

even “super sweaty gamers” won’t be able to notice the 0.9ms difference. not only because the human eye can’t notice that small of a difference, but also because they wouldnt be sending new key inputs fast enough to need that faster scanning.

[chrome badge]

its not so much about noticing or inputting that fast as it is about getting the input you do send to register as fast as possible, on 1ms polling if you send a command at 1.01 ms it will register .99ms later, it do be marginal and probably very small edge cases where it would give an advantage but that's what being a sweaty gamer is all about

[midnight iron]

the most important reason to buy an 80HE is to buy the zinc alloy version to help support the order numbers at launch so they add more colors. This is the core mission of our church of the white/cream/light mocha zinc alloy 80HE

[glad fable]

True 8k polling = Marketing

= Money!! 🤑

[chrome badge]

translucent plastic gang translucent plastic gang

[humble cargo]

yes pls

[real gulch]

how many cm wider is the 80he in comparison to the 60he

or is there any pic of them next to each other

[frigid ravine]

specs are unknown yet, but its bigger than 60he. just see it like a tkl

[chrome badge]

here's a very rough estimate i threw together in paint

[winged birch]

You know, all Gateron’s 20-Series magnetic switches have the slot for a tactile spring. We could’ve had tactile magnetic switches years ago.

[winged birch]

Invalidated, 39 to 1.

😘

[high scroll]

is there a expected date for the pre orders for the 80he?

[chrome badge]

Quarter 2 2024

[buoyant solstice]

No.

That was the delivery estimate - before the changes. Expect delivery late summer for now.

[chrome badge]

he asked for preorder date not ship date

[buoyant solstice]

And there isn't one.

yet

[chrome badge]

I assumed that would be campaign kickoff?

[lone lake]

will the 80he have an option to ship with the 45g switches instead of the 60g?

[buoyant solstice]

...before the changes.

[chrome badge]

you mean the mold and pcba adjustments??

[buoyant solstice]

The feedback and subsequent changes needed (roughly a month and a half) kind of changed the project as a whole. So stay tuned for a new pre-order date and details.

[chrome badge]

I'm just goin off what it says on the website 🤷

[winged birch]

You sure? I thought the campaign date was said to be accurate.

[buoyant solstice]

When? Where?

[chrome badge]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he maybe?

[winged birch]

In Discord.

[buoyant solstice]

If you can find a quote, sure. That is news to me however.

[winged birch]

I thought that was said. Maybe not, that’s why I’m asking if you were sure.

[buoyant solstice]

In my defense, Calder has a bit of a habit of logging on to spill tea on Discord in the middle of the night here 😄

[winged birch]

True 😂😂

[chrome badge]

reddit moment

[celest sigil]

is there gonna be a release of the 80HE+ aswell?

[buoyant solstice]

In what sense? There aren't any third party cases available. There is no standard to tap into.

[celest sigil]

so to answere the question its gonna be a standard version and that version only

[winged birch]

There will be different campaign options most likely but not a difference in specifications.

Like the 60HE/+

[celest sigil]

ah thanks

[winged birch]

👍

[midnight iron]

there will be a barebones version without switches/keycaps

[celest sigil]

ah thanks i will probably wait for the barebone version, i wasnt sure if i should pre order already, this gave me clarity

[midnight iron]

it will be available at preorder time as an option I believe

[buoyant solstice]

We're still debating whether or not doing a case-less version is the way to go. The gasket mounting system is more involved than "just install five screws", and we do have to keep the lowest demonimator in mind initially.

[toxic zephyr]

I hope you can offer a wider variety of cases, considering our church has been split up into multiple circles already

some fun colors for the plastic one would be an interesting take

understandably having multiple SKUs suck on all accounts

I'll probably end up doing that anyway if past me is any indication

[radiant cedar]

Could you give me the roughfest estimate of when the wooting 80he will come out?

[buoyant solstice]

Latesummerish

[radiant cedar]

I just ordered the 60HE+ and it would only come late march. Do you think it's worth waiting for the 80he?

[winged birch]

It wouldn’t make sense at launch. If anything it could and probably should be an option later on. Like with the 60HE+ Module.

[toxic zephyr]

if you want a product that is like .9ms faster on paper, sure

[midnight iron]

I’d pick more based on layout you prefer than anything else honestly

[radiant cedar]

thank you

[sleek pelican]

decide later down the line

[flint pond]

Anyone know how much the wooting 80he keyboard will be?

Im thinking of cancelling my wooting 60he+ order and getting the 80he.

I like my functions keys and arrow keys lmao.

[glad fable]

around the 200 dollar mark

should be similar in price to 60he and 2he

[flint pond]

Hmm

[crimson abyss]

A "case of the month" in fun colors only available for a limited time and only via preorder maybe?

[pliant niche]

Perhaps two translucent cases, one a lighter shade one darker to give additional shade customisability and having RGB shine through the site with more muted visuals

Sorry for ping btw

[minor dune]

I play brawlhalla and want to get the best equipment possible and was told to get wootings keyboard and don’t know which one to pick

[toxic zephyr]

whichever you like

[heady spruce]

there both good the wooting two he and the 60 he are the same one is just bigger I hear

[past patrol]

seeing those xtra keys sets me off so much

[vale gale]

is the 80he gonna have rgb behind the keys or is it just the line above the arrow keys

[toxic zephyr]

it has per-key rgb

unfortunately

[vale gale]

oh rlly i wonder why they did that

[sleek pelican]

pick the layout you like id say

[toxic zephyr]

what

[vale gale]

i wonder why they did per key rgb instead of just regular

[buoyant solstice]

Per key... IS the standard though?

[toxic zephyr]

what did you think per key rgb meant

if not that.... there's an RGB LED under each key?

[vale gale]

wait

[toxic zephyr]

I have all day xD

[vale gale]

i might be tripping

[toxic zephyr]

definitely

[vale gale]

yep i am TRIPPING

[toxic zephyr]

in your words, it has "regular" RGB

[buoyant solstice]

That's not even what that refers to. It's that each key can have an individual RGB value.

As opposed to the ones that use larger zones...or precoloured LEDs like on the real, real cheap LIDL knock-off stuff

[toxic zephyr]

sure

[vale gale]

omg man for some reason i thought of per key rgb as in some keys have rgb i might need to take a nap

[median olive]

One question that might be really naive in a way, but given that the 80HE won't be able to conform to any "standards" due to the form factor, will there be a way for us to get fbx/ply files in case someone wants to start custom manufacturing 3rd party cases, or even just making their own - or will it be a matter of buying, scanning and then producing your own schematics/model files?
[edit] - or maybe even just accurate dimensions on nub/screw/usb placements etc?

^ Coming from a place of love, I'm receiving my 60HE on monday unless couriers shuck it up - but I can already see myself ordering the 80HE just to get arrow keys (for IDE work and other programming, muscle memory is too strongk probably to start maining the 60HE for work)

[silk hedge]

As far as i know wooting relases the blueprints of their cases publicly

[median olive]

Really 😮 that's amazing! haven't yet stumbled across them, would you happen to know where the blueprints live? Sounds like it's time to get the CNC back up and running 😄

[silk hedge]

They probably will release them after the 80he hits the market

[toxic zephyr]

fbx/ply uhhh what are these? but .stl and .stp for sure

they are all available on the wooting github, for released products

[lethal abyss]

yeah the schematics are on github

[median olive]

Well now I feel like a silly goose, never even thought to check if wooting has a public github, despite basically living on git 😂 Thank you all! This doesn't really change my thought on wether or not to buy the 80he - but now I know there'll be an easy way to get a custom case made in case the default one gets boring eventually 🙂

[toxic zephyr]

haha, if I had CNC access I'd have made something fun a long time ago

[median olive]

also see you at the tori o/

[toxic zephyr]

of course

[rose crane]

Will the 80he feature like usb c to usb c

[buoyant solstice]

Yes.

[rose crane]

Yess thank you

[buoyant solstice]

All of our Lekker based keyboards have this now btw.

But the included cables are C to A (Detatchable cable is C to C with an A adaptor)

80 will also have this C to C approach with an adaptor for A.

[rose crane]

Yes i was asking because on my mobo i got a ucb c high speed something like that and I was wondering maybe that I can plug it in the usb c

I hope there will be cool colours for the cable or is it Just black?

[toxic zephyr]

all the products in the lekker-age have had fancy cables so I'm thinking they will probably do the same with the 80he

[hollow sigil]

Someone from the team knows if in the future Amazon will start to sell Wooting products ?

[buoyant solstice]

We have no plans to do so.

[verbal solar]

imagine selling on amazon then seeing the wait time 2025 march

[hollow sigil]

Thanks for the confirmation !

[sage reef]

it's always sold out anyway, no point giving Amazon a cut also promoting that monopoly

[upbeat berry]

amazon has more issues than just spreading our stock even thinner

amazon just like paypal is only convenient for the company running it and the consumer... never the seller

[winged birch]

For the company, consumer and reseller.

[sage reef]

amazon don't even try to redesign their ui or provide better functionality and stuff, just the most boring company.

[maiden crane]

will this be increased in wooting 80he? a competing company has 0.4. please answer

[toxic zephyr]

maybe

doubt it makes any difference though

[upbeat berry]

the warning in your second screenshot is already an issue at 0.15mm

[winged birch]

Rapid trigger sensitivity is not “the more sensitive it is the better”. It’s a balance between sensitivity and accuracy. Sensitivity less than 0.1mm is very prone misinputs caused by outside inaccuracies like stem wobble and your fingers for example.

[upbeat berry]

fun fact human hairs are around 0.05-0.1mm

so

gl controlling that

we will offer whats sensible and stable enough for actual use

[maiden crane]

ok thx

[jolly tangle]

im sure they will make a video with software changes in the weekly video roadmap

[winged birch]

I’m pretty sure they could have a lot less than 0.1mm as of now. IIRC the HE sensor can differentiate between like a thousand “steps”.

[upbeat berry]

smth like actuation would probably be changed later when we have done enough testing on whats usable and what isnt

[jolly tangle]

you guys have the most experience with hall effect keyboards

im looking forward to the results

[toxic zephyr]

with lekker 2.0 they may be able to push it further

I personally think it's -- quite literally -- splitting hairs at this point

not meaningfully any better to have .05 than .15, the response is instant either way

[winged birch]

Most likely the 2.0s will use the same magnet as the 1.0s.

[upbeat berry]

i mean the first point wed want to tighten up would be release if anything but i can see how it easily misdeactuates because well... we are talking tiny tiny movements

[winged birch]

A few other companies offer a customizable release point which I would like to see. Everyone is different and some might be more accurate than others.

Not release point, distance between release and reactuation.

[upbeat berry]

but you can already get a custom release with rt and splitting the sensitivity

[somber elm]

whats lekker 2.0?

[toxic zephyr]

it's the lekker but 2

just an upgrade I guess

[somber elm]

so you'd not get the same benefit from e.g KS-20U switches?

[toxic zephyr]

same benefit meaning?

[somber elm]

this

[toxic zephyr]

I doubt the wooting guys would optimize their firmware for a switch that is not theirs

[midnight iron]

is this in mm?

because 0.04 inches = 1mm, so I have a feeling whoever is doing this is just showing inches instead

[upbeat berry]

isnt it 1mm

[midnight iron]

er oops typo yeah 1mm

[toxic zephyr]

huh

that doesn't sound right, how big do you think an inch is

[midnight iron]

they're doing the upstroke/downstroke thing but saying 0.04 inches instead of mm would be my guess

[toxic zephyr]

that's crazy but it is right after all

[upbeat berry]

calculator agrees

[toxic zephyr]

yep yep

[glad fable]

even breathing is going to activate the key 💀

[midnight iron]

could be mm still but if they're offering 0.04mm that would be some psychopath level amount

[maiden crane]

Might

That's possible

[maiden crane]

Yes

[haughty vigil]

I've been following the videos around the wooting 80he, but I haven't found information regarding when pre-ordering (if this is even a thing) opens. Am I looking in the wrong area or is this not something that's currently offered?

[buoyant solstice]

Not yet.-

[haughty vigil]

Thank you for the fast answer 🙂

[raven fox]

anyone have the layout for the 80he

[glad fable]

this?

[raven fox]

yep thx

when does it release

[glad fable]

Q2 2024

[raven fox]

I always see like Q2 and stuff with tech stuff does that mean like march-jun

[glad fable]

Yeah basically like quarters of the year

Q2 is like April-June

[burnt crag]

Anyone know if it will have a wireless option?

[glad fable]

100% No

gonna be so unstable

[burnt crag]

😦

[glad fable]

with rapid trigger and 8k polling?

[burnt crag]

I would understand the trade offs if wireless was an option

[obtuse wagon]

Then it would just be like any other keyboard, Logi hasnt even figured out a fast wireless option for keyboards

[rough stream]

anyone know the price?

[burnt crag]

I just like the 80% layout + their switches

[obtuse wagon]

The switches are not the magic tho

They just hold the magnet

[ebon night]

I'm excited for this product. And want it now! 😄

[glad fable]

Not exact price but around 200 dollar range

[zenith ice]

is wooting going to send out the 80he to some content creators on youtube before the launch so we can get a second opinion before the drop?

[north inlet]

yes,they put in the website that people will test it before

[obtuse wagon]

Where? That is news to me

[grim fiber]

regarding 8khz polling rate:
i just found out that cyberpunk lags around like craaaaaazy when my mouse is set to 4khz polling rate. 7800x3d, so performance shouldnt be an issue tbh. no issues with my mouse set to 1khz polling rate. i really hope that the 80he @ 8khz doesnt cause such issues, or the 8khz mode can be toggled off.

didnt have issues in other games yet
(maybe ready or not, i'm about to test it)
edit: 4khz causes issues in RoN, 1khz doesnt

[midnight iron]

Mice is very different to keyboard polling

[grim fiber]

first time i've encountered issues with high mouse polling rates, so idk about the specifics

[midnight iron]

Mice run into issues because it’s having to deal with cursor updates at high dpi when running high polling

And a lot of games just straight up aren’t optimized for that which causes further issues

[grim fiber]

i see, sounds plausible. thanks for the explaination <3

[toxic zephyr]

it can be toggled at any rate

so you will not have any problems

[silk quartz]

I assume it'd be a bad idea to plug a 8kHz mouse and 80HE running at 8kHz into a single USB controller

[silk hedge]

Can someone rename the channel to wooting_80he(no official price yet)

[frigid ravine]

Huawei Sparklink, latency wise its on nano second level

[winged birch]

No, 8KHz polling might be forced. I believe it was Tony who said they would likely force polling at 8KHz as it would require a reconnect if changed. I’m sure if they do more testing and find out that some systems have issues with 8KHz polling they will make it changeable.

[buoyant solstice]

We already require a power cycle when disabling certain things.

So... Let's wait for something more concrete before assuming too much

[sleek pelican]

ong concrete case confirmed

[buoyant solstice]

[rose crane]

In valorant no issue with 4k but fortnite and assassincreed and even in poppy playtime i got fps drops and lag

Same cpu btw

[frigid ravine]

btw will there be any restriction like only 1 per user when buying the 80he?

cuz i want to gift 1 to my friend too

[toxic zephyr]

no, as it's not a limited batch

there will be as many made as are ordered, and then some

[buoyant solstice]

Yep. Since we're doing pre-orders, we can size the first production to get everyone a board, without having to guess how many to make.

After that point though, we're back to doing batches and educated guesswork to scale each production batch.

[zenith ice]

can someone confirm that there is something if you are part of the first drop. i think it’s called the founders wooting or something. what exactly do you get for being a founder

[buoyant solstice]

TBA

[zenith ice]

okok

[zenith ice]

is this TBA too? ^

[buoyant solstice]

We definitely won't be sending out review samples before the pre-order campaign ends.

Cause you know... the keyboards don't exist yet.

[frigid ravine]

yes there is always something exclusive. just yet to be announced

[oblique cave]

will the 80he have rgb?

like not only on that little stripe above the arrow keys

[buoyant solstice]

Same RGB like our other models. Under each key.

[oblique cave]

Ah alright, is the approximate release date known yet?

[glad fable]

Q2 2024

April-June 2024

[oblique cave]

Thanks

[spark hound]

What about the space bar

[buoyant solstice]

In what sense?

Oh the multiple LEDs? Yeah of course. Only reason the 2HE doesn't have that, is that it would require a redo of the PCB - which just isn't justifiable by itself.

A full 2HE refresh would be a lot more sensible. A new PCB, a new Case and switch plate. Bottom up.

[wet tangle]

3HE?

[upbeat berry]

it would still be a 2he

[buoyant solstice]

More like a 2HE+ ... or a 2HE Redux

[upbeat berry]

yeah a 3he would be a compeltely different layout

[sterile walrus]

2HE: Director's Cut

[upbeat berry]

snider cut

[toxic zephyr]

2HE: Electric Boogaloo of course

[buoyant solstice]

Should name it 100HE just to confuse people more.

[tight cliff]

Well it would kinda fit the current product mix

[buoyant solstice]

Or how about FullHE

[stoic root]

Will 8k hz polling rate come to the 60he via firmware updates or will it be exclusive to the 80he?

[glad fable]

8k polling will not come via firmware update with 60he

I would bet that they’re probably going to revise the 60HE to actually be able to handle 8k polling tho

[amber merlin]

Maybe its me but for most people the 8K polling not gonna give any benefit at all

[fast gazelle]

what is the estimated price of wooting 80he?

[stoic root]

Like as a physical add on or like you would have to buy a new 60he as a whole?

[humble cargo]

I mean its just snake oil marketing anyways

only reason they'd have to do it would be to sucker in impressionable kids thinking it makes a difference

[spark hound]

I doubt I'll run the board at 8k polling.. Ever

[humble cargo]

I don't even use tachyon mode

[toxic zephyr]

firmware update is not possible and hardware revision is not in the works

#1207737990533750814 message

[glad fable]

Aww so it’ll be a while before we get 60HE 8kHz, although not too much of a problem

[toxic zephyr]

possibly never

[eternal scarab]

I like the wooting80 layout better anyways

[silk hedge]

1 ferret

[fast gazelle]

cool, i can pay me and get the wooting when releases

[toxic zephyr]

they said "generally similar to how our current boards are priced"

[fallen forge]

are we gonna be able to purchase a different case separately, btw? lets say you get a black plastic version at launch, but want to get a metal one later on

[toxic zephyr]

I don't think it was mentioned yet

[nova nexus]

This has not been decided yet internally. There were certainly be a prebuilt option and there were certainly be more than one case color option.

Whether or not the other case colors will come preassembled or if you get a module+case type thing is tbd

[toxic zephyr]

a vote from me for a pick and choose system so you can offer even more colors maybe? :>

[buoyant solstice]

The most difficult challenge is SKUs.

Offer which in what variants. We really don't want those those spiral out of control. and prefer combining items in bundles, but in separate packaging where possible.

The configurator during checkout is the least of our problems so to speak.

[midnight iron]

Blessings be upon the church of the white 80he, and our visiting preachers from retro cream and light mocha zinc alloy affiliates

[toxic zephyr]

[steady nova]

no way a ferret is pretty cheap

[fast gazelle]

give me 350 dollars

[buoyant solstice]

Invest in ferret

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[silk hedge]

Ferret coats are rly expensive, i dont think they are cheap

[steady nova]

I can give you a ferret

[fast gazelle]

[real gulch]

aww

[frail socket]

is it true that they fart

[fast gazelle]

'personality' wtf

[dreamy sedge]

thats why im farting so much

[steady nova]

Haven’t noticed mine farting, but she sneezes a lot sometimes

[frail socket]

"i cant control my farts theyre a part of my personality"

[frail socket]

so cute

[steady nova]

She’s a lil sock stealer

[remote moss]

Hopefully the 80HE has an upgraded shell, it looks too ugly now

[toxic zephyr]

upgraded shell??

[buoyant solstice]

Guess they're asking in a roundabout way, if we plan to change how the case looks compared to existing renders shown?

(No)

[toxic zephyr]

ah yeah might

I didn't like the design at first and am not hot about it even now but it's growing on me a little

[fallen epoch]

i like the design personally, lightbars the only thing i kinda dont likie but i also dont mind it

[runic field]

does wooting deliver on weekends ?

[buoyant solstice]

We don't deliver anything. Couriers do 🙂

And whether or not a courier does in your area depends on the area. We couldn't tell you.

[pastel hare]

lol

[pastel hare]

Any ideas when preorders start?

[toxic zephyr]

so far no word

[tight cypress]

Soon!

[spark hound]

Soon!? I Want to part with my money

[toxic zephyr]

ah, I'll help with that actually

[spark hound]

Yeah? What do you offer

[toxic zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-imagination-box-gif-12387358019437193946

[spark hound]

Oh..

Have a euro

[tight cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/id-buy-that-for-a-dollar-robocop-eyeglasses-gif-15365730

[pastel hare]

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppets-muppet-muppet-show-gif-10354485025144317159

[lapis galleon]

you would need to buy an entirely new board

[shell shadow]

Is there anything known about the departure date?

[tight cypress]

Somewhere between soon and soon-ish

Current plan is to deliver keebs by late summer

[severe merlin]

When will it be available?

I’ve been waiting for a while.

[buoyant solstice]

Literally read the response above your question.

[toxic zephyr]

reading? pfft

[amber merlin]

Reading is a dlc from EA ?? For 99.99$

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-money-gif-13446953

[hexed flicker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2me5onP9Ng

[buoyant solstice]

I am not convinced this isn't an AI voice.

[spark hound]

yeah im not gonna watch that

[buoyant solstice]

TLDR; nVidia enforcing their new power plugs, which is universally considered shit 😄

[wind tiger]

hey, they upped it to 675W power limits now

[buoyant solstice]

It's more about the fire hazard aspect. And the crap adaptor cable stuff 😄

[spark hound]

thats just insane lol

imagine running that in summer

[wind tiger]

upping the power limit won't help

[dreamy sedge]

And Here i am and bought a new PSU with the latest new connector

[amber merlin]

And im happy with the good old connector on my 6700 XT

[violet dagger]

Do we know the possible price of the 80he or when it’s gonna be able to be pre ordered?

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-gif-26559654

[winged birch]

Most likely between $200 and $220.

Goal for pre orders/campaign to start is Q2 2024.

[old jackal]

this layout is literally perfect im so exited! the fact that you can choose which 6 of the 9 nav keys to bind in the top-right corner changes everything imo. personally im removing scroll lock, pause, and insert and keeping the rest

[odd briar]

steal of a price. had a bit of a fever dream last night and for some reason dreamed about the 80he and thought it was 350, woke up and decided id pay that much😂 . blessed be it that i was just dreaming

[winged birch]

The 80HE is Wooting’s attempt at a mainstream flagship keyboard I believe. Directly competing with mainstream TKL boards from the big brands which you cannot do with a $350 price tag. 😉

[odd briar]

fair enough, just had some schizo type feverdream off my flu meds. so most certainly not the most rational thinker right now. but that said, wooting quality could easily justify 350 for a godtier keyboard. ive seen the crazy pricing in the keyboard scene and i feel the 80he will be hands down the single best keyboard period. so if theres any way i can pitch in more then my fair share to fund the dream id gladly pay 350

[violet dagger]

I think around the 200$ price range for this keyboard is perfect

[violet dagger]

Awesome

[odd briar]

maybe for the plastic model, but i cant imagine price parity between the zinc casting and abs molded shell

[winged birch]

Well, there will be a zinc alloy case and maybe even the knob when pre orders start. So if you want to spend $350 I’m sure it’ll be no problem at all. 😉

[odd briar]

thats the one id be getting

[winged birch]

Yeah, the $200-$220 is just for the base model with the ABS case.

[odd briar]

had razer keyboards since i got into pc gaming, but my little brother got a nice custom keyboard a while ago, ive had a chance to try it and i def want something fancier

[winged birch]

You just wanna one-up your brother huh? 😂😂

With the 80HE all he could ever do is tie.

[odd briar]

i am lowkey jealous of him

[winged birch]

No shit 😂😂😂

Honestly a keyboard you like the sound and feel off is very worth it.

[odd briar]

he waited like 2 years for his keycaps tho🤣

he got the gmmk pro

forgot the name of the switches

something something black, super heavy spring

and some ps1 themed keycaps and deskpad

im probably just gonna throw my current aliexpress pudding keycap set on the 80he when i get it. theyre nice enough and are double shot pbt

Def gonna fit my setup better the this razer crap I currently got

[storm grove]

How many keys are gonna be on the 80he?

[lapis galleon]

84

[storm grove]

Thx

[sterile walrus]

84HE

[bitter dagger]

Make it also bluetooth possible (you can switch modes)

[tight cypress]

[fast gazelle]

i think that will be very difficult

i wonder if rapid trigger works well with it

[verbal oyster]

many people don't realize that with bluetooth comes battery

[tight cypress]

Apart from working well, it would chug enormous amounts of energy

[fast gazelle]

yeah the battery time

[tight cypress]

And conveniently omitting the fact that Bluetooth should already be long dead and buried with some decent replacement coming along the way, but it's everywhere, so now we're living in backwards compatibility hell

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-insane-insanity-crazy-nuts-gif-13969946

[lapis galleon]

why specifically bluetooth?? 2.4ghz would be a much better choice.

but with how taxing the 60he with tachyon already is at 1k polling, the 80he with more keys and 8k polling the battery would drain stupidly fast.

not to mention the issues that arise when trying to ship a product with a battery in it

[plucky raft]

Hi guys, the funding campaign is still open?

[wet tangle]

Will there be an 80HE-sized wrist rest?

[zenith ice]

whats the difference between the wooting 80he and another 'he' keyboard on the market?

[midnight iron]

Yeah they’re making an 80he sized wristrest

[winged birch]

Not yet open*. The campaign is set to start Q2 2024.

[winged birch]

Features, firmware, support, warranty and quality.

[zenith ice]

is it 'faster' or is all the 'he' keyboards on the market the same 'speed'

[winged birch]

As of now the 80HE is the fastest keyboard. No other keyboard HE or non-HE comes close.

[zenith ice]

mind if i ask how

[winged birch]

Of course much can change in a few months when it releases but no other company is gonna out do it.

[winged birch]

8KHz polling AND scanning. Which the 80HE will be the first to do in a mainstream HE board.

[zenith ice]

ahh

[winged birch]

Combine that with rapid trigger and a 0.15mm actuation point.

[pastel hare]

So April?

I need a new board, not sure if I should settle rn for two he or wait

[winged birch]

Q2 has 3 months to it. It’ll be late Q2 or early Q3 when pre orders start.