🌟│wooting80he

[sage reef]

need 6.50u spacebar to fix this, but it's not very standard

[kind wasp]

Whats u ?

[fresh nimbus]

units

[winged birch]

I cba anymore, you can’t argue with someone who disagrees to disagree. 🤣

[sage reef]

1 normal key width 1.0u the rest follows from this

[winged birch]

Yup

Spacebar size fucks everything up always.

[kind wasp]

This says it all

[fresh nimbus]

I like a new layout but yes there could have been a bit more probing approach before wanting to commit

[kind wasp]

They cant make it Perfect for everyone

[fresh nimbus]

I’ll probably still buy the 80he (since i really like my arrow keys and f-row that I don’t have on the 60), but i think they’ll have to look more into tkl for wider audience

Even if the market is not ideal, i feel there is enough power behind this company to create a market for TKL cases or maybe better gasket mounts (I don’t mod, not too sure what the problem is)

[winged birch]

Exactly, if there is not a standard yet, make one. 😎

[fresh nimbus]

And despite the initial layout people may still prefer it, sometimes function over form tbh

[upbeat berry]

as far as im aware the issue is just that its gasket mount and theres no standard for mounting systems. the only "standard" is how the keys are arranged

[kind wasp]

Gimme a Keyboard with only knobs and 1 HE key

[fresh nimbus]

Then get an engineer to play pcb/internals tetris for a year and let us know if it’s doable

[kind wasp]

Gasket Mount goated

[fresh nimbus]

If he can make a good layout, you can standardise it and make bank

[silk hedge]

This might happen to the 80he though

[kind wasp]

They make Bank rn. They Are always out of Stock

[fresh nimbus]

I know, but more sales means more money for R&D

And since they’d embark on a costly risky mission to standardize the internal tkl case layout, it wouldn’t hurt to reduce risk 🙂

But it might be worth it for the huge amount of tkl fans

[silk hedge]

They'll slowly die out

[kind wasp]

For me there is already a Standard Tkl and I dont rly Like it

[fresh nimbus]

Pretty sure even wooting said most of these fans came after the 60he

[winged birch]

You understand that a company grows right? Wooting was so little then compared to now.

[fresh nimbus]

Full size is too much, 60% is kinda too small - there must be an inbetween

[silk hedge]

80he

Lol

[kind wasp]

Its Perfect

[winged birch]

64%, 65%, 75% which is the 80HE kind of.

[kind wasp]

But why 80?

[fresh nimbus]

And for me tkl/80 is perfect in terms of functionality

[winged birch]

Easy to remember maybe.

[fresh nimbus]

And not full-sized either

[winged birch]

It has 84 keys, not 80, nor is it 80%.

[kind wasp]

Page up and down dont really needed

[kind wasp]

Makes no sens

[fresh nimbus]

Then swap them with the keys you get

[midnight iron]

i'd actually be curious to see which is more popular as the next keyboard after 80he. 75 vs tkl

[winged birch]

and you can also bind them on the second, third or fourth layer.. 😄

[kind wasp]

Bro fkn apple auttocorrection

[fresh nimbus]

And so many games require a plethora of different keybinds, including page up and down

[winged birch]

???

[fresh nimbus]

With this argument 60% is all you need

[silk hedge]

You think wooting is gonna make either of the 2 after the 80?

[midnight iron]

what on earth games are you playing that require those

[winged birch]

True. 😉

[kind wasp]

I Need f row

[fresh nimbus]

i need f keys for eve online, page up and down for movement in another game

[midnight iron]

the only game I can remember that uses that is maybe Everquest from 1999 and it's easy to rebind the weird pg up/down keys for looking in the game

[fresh nimbus]

and it can also function as camera zoom keybind

[winged birch]

Excel pro league goes hard.

[kind wasp]

In what Game?

[winged birch]

Eve

[fresh nimbus]

making loops on my flying mount in world of warcraft lmao

[midnight iron]

in a lot of those old games it makes way more sense to rebind those keys to something else

i know it was one of the first things I did when I revisited EQ progression realms

[kind wasp]

I only Play with the left side of the Keyboard

[fresh nimbus]

well usually it was designed to be on the numpad and use the numpad, but a numpad is excessive. so i think reducing that pad to 4 buttons is highly functional because 3 layers x 4 keys is enough to cover your entire numpad

[midnight iron]

I could see a 75, tkl i'm not sure because honestly the 2 button gain isn't all that great

[silk hedge]

Yea but the difference to the 75 isnt as major either

[midnight iron]

yeah, which is why people normally rebind those keys. Like run in everquest was num lock or something

[kind wasp]

But the rgb tho is Fire

[silk hedge]

I could see a 65 or a compact 100

[midnight iron]

I think 75 vs 80he is more of a difference in layout than tkl just due to how it clumps up the keys more (if we're talking non expanded 75)

[fresh nimbus]

fair, i just don't want to 3-layer the left side of my keyboard if i don't specifically have to 🙂

i can type on the 60 he with two hands with arrows as modkeys but physical arrow keys would be welcome

so at least for me, from a functional standpoint - the 80 is a really nice midway between 60% and 100%

[winged birch]

It is!

[midnight iron]

I was thinking about it earlier. If wooting did do a wooting tkl the next year I probably wouldn't swap from 80he to the tkl because I don't use those 2 buttons, but if they did a 75 I would

but it'd be purely for aesthetic and space saving reasons to want a mode sonnet layout

[kind wasp]

Because its the mid

[winged birch]

15u > any

[fresh nimbus]

from a design perspective i'd prefer a 75 design tbh

[kind wasp]

Thats average

[midnight iron]

honestly lowkey one of the most useful extra buttons was the macro row on old razer blackwidow full size keyboards. The one to the left of the keyboard

you could actually reach those keys easily. Worked great as voice comm buttons etc

[winged birch]

Detachable numpad -> numpad on the left side = best marcopad the world has ever seen.

Mad Catz > Any

[fresh nimbus]

i still have a 100% from razer laying around somewhere that didn't survive green ice tea that my friend spilled

i keep it as a project if i ever feel bored enough to try and clean it lmao

[midnight iron]

yeah that's literally how I used to replace my old keyboards. Kept them until I inevitably spilled water or a drink on them

now I ban myself from putting drinks in front of the keyboard

[fresh nimbus]

i have a two layer desk so i put my drinks on the top layer so i can't sweep them off the lower layer 🤣

[winged birch]

You know how you can never spill? Get a fking bottle and always put the cap back on after you drank.

[sage reef]

imagine if original creators put Numpad on the left, for gaming it would always be TKL, and people wouldn't bother as much buying TKL, that M column would still maybe be added between Numpad and body.

[midnight iron]

if I went fullsize keyboard I honestly like the zoom98 layout

[winged birch]

Numpad to the left is the most useful thing on the planet, the person who put the numpad on the right should be jailed for life.

[sage reef]

just a more balanced keyboard for typing also, since main body much more in center with Numpad on left

[midnight iron]

it's honestly pretty clean with the swappable 2 key spot for lcd/knob/2 key/badge etc

[winged birch]

Yes exactly

[winged birch]

😉

[fresh nimbus]

what is this even

[winged birch]

I imagine a keyboard like that in nuclear power plant

[fresh nimbus]

i always like the deep-rock-galactic style in-game keyboards ^ someone remade it xD

[winged birch]

wtf

[sage reef]

so actually 2HE should already be bold and put Numpad on the left

at least 3SHE should do it

[winged birch]

I want a revamped 100HE if and only if the numpad is on the left.

Why buy it if you hate it?

[sage reef]

feel the space first between Esc and F1, then click

[queen vigil]

is the layout really such a massive deal?

I think people are underestimating how quickly theyd get used to it

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-blind-blinded-cantsee-gif-4679240

[queen vigil]

in the end itd all muscle memory after a week of using it itll all be fine

I get people want to dhift the arrow keys aesthetic wise but holy

[winged birch]

The aesthetics were for me. I’d buy it on how it looks.

[queen vigil]

I feel like most arguments regarding key placement that actually have to do with usage of the keyboard are unjustified

[fresh nimbus]

yeah you kinda start to wonder if people buy keyboards for functionality or aesthetics ^^

[winged birch]

Aren’t all arguments solely about its aesthetics?

[queen vigil]

id say its a good balance of both. But when you start complaining about the space between esc and f1 keys idk

no offense

not trying to start an argument

[winged birch]

If you type fast and a key is not where it usually is I can understand it.

[fresh nimbus]

muscle memory skill issue i think

[queen vigil]

yeah ik but youd get used to it so quickly

[sage reef]

it's Wooting's fault too, announcing keyboard without many future features, or explaining more how lightbar works -> so people focus on arrows instead. Then the poll just validates those people, making an arrow-reenforcement loop. Now it's joever for sure.

[winged birch]

When you’re young you can easily rewire muscle memory but when you’re old and dusty it becomes much harder.

[queen vigil]

quick learners in a few days slow max a month or so

[fresh nimbus]

yeah ok fair mate but i went from 100% to 60% and i also missclicked a lot in the beginning, after 1 year or so i don't missclick

[winged birch]

Are you old and dusty?

[fresh nimbus]

i'll become 30 next year, yes

[winged birch]

Ah I see. 👨‍🦳

[sage reef]

the poll was done to calm all the tkl, 75% masses, providing some illusion of choice, saying they're listening, it's a shortcut with the better design overall being the sacrifice.

[queen vigil]

honestly i liked the arrow keys being where they were

[midnight iron]

you guys really on that hyperbole train today

[winged birch]

True.

[fresh nimbus]

and yeah it may become harder if you get old, but it's the same as driving a car and driving a van, it may be slightly different, the dimensions are different, it feels different - but within a while it's like driving your car

[queen vigil]

why though?

[winged birch]

That’s true. I think most would want the easy route rather than relearning even if it’s a tiny difference.

[fresh nimbus]

well good luck to them

[queen vigil]

Does that really matter though? I get familiarity is convenient but I'd say new layouts are refreshing. Sticking to the norm is boring

[agile otter]

Apologies if this has been answered somewhere. I’ve noticed the key layout between the website and the photos posted onto Twitter for the arrow key moving vote are slightly different. Can anyone confirm if above the arrows the layout will have “Home” & “End” keys or “Ins” & “Del”?

[winged birch]

V you confuse me so much. Isn’t F1 above 1 in a 100% compact layout?

[midnight iron]

you can change it how you want

the keys are rebindable/swappable to whichever combo you prefer

[winged birch]

All will come in the box.

[agile otter]

Ahh okay, thankyou for the clarification 😁

[winged birch]

I mean what keyboard is your perfect keyboard? A compact 100% an exploded 100% or what?

[queen vigil]

a tkl eith f1 above number 2

[winged birch]

Here we go again. 😂😂😂

[queen vigil]

lmfao

[sage reef]

it will be Ins and Del by default now yes, since many didn't know they can change
and most ofc use Del more, Del in general useful key for many things.

[winged birch]

Moonlander HE when?

[midnight iron]

You have to keep in mind that the type of people who are diehard about layout stuff are the same type that will say perfectly fine mice are trash because the click tension of right click wasn't ideal or it has too much pre/post travel. Enthusiast types get reaaaally into the details and looks of things

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-juicer-gif-23575721

[spark hound]

And play which games? :p

[queen vigil]

insane

[fresh nimbus]

i heard tetris is hot and happening again

[spark hound]

Lol.

[sage reef]

that tetris tetra snaps satisfyingly and cozy into place with current layout

[winged birch]

🅱️est Layout.

[sage reef]

🅰️/🇨 Late is just for a little while, 🅱️ Suck is late and forever.

🅰️nalysis vs Reaction

[magic steppe]

time to quit pc gaming
https://apple.com/mac

That was fast

[vapid storm]

loddo loolloddol

🦚

[fresh nimbus]

Get a wolf, they can smell someone coming from a long distance away ^^

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CvlUrnMObYo

[winged birch]

12K a pup?

😳

[fresh nimbus]

#🐸│memes message

[winged birch]

☝️🤓

[fresh nimbus]

honestly i don't think the purchasing price is the biggest problem when getting/owning a wolf

[verbal solar]

poodle man V

[fresh nimbus]

if you're not capable of controlling and leading a normal dog, do not EVER get a wolf or german shepherd etc. then they become problematic

they are pretty large in general compared to normal dogs so they may eat more and you want to give them more elk/bison for natural growth, that'd be more expensive i think

on a diet of elk and bison, some species of wolves can grow this large; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IRe6FZL688

'FAFO'

[winged birch]

this channel is so random

from warzones to wholesome to warzones again

everyone here should get an 80HE Veteran role

[winter coral]

Too many different groups are inevitably brought together here

[void basalt]

Are there any custom cases that support this layout or is it completely original?

[buoyant solstice]

There aren't really any common standards outside of 60%

[jolly tangle]

from jeroen

[void basalt]

Thank you 👍🏻

[dense ridge]

i really hope that we will get the white transparent case option as a standard one for 80he

will pre order instantly

[unique hemlock]

What's the point of the lightbar on the 80HE?

[tight cypress]

It's a wootmeter

It measures woot

[unique hemlock]

So, what exactly is a unit of "Woot"

[midnight iron]

Interacts with the knob and other potential add ons

We don’t know what the other add ons are besides the knob though

[wild quail]

Not much to add besides HYPEEEEEEEEEE!

[jolly tangle]

@tight cypress what sno sais and no wootmeter

[tight cypress]

Why no wootmeter?

[jolly tangle]

only for netherlands germany taiwan

exclusive addon

[winged birch]

Yes please.

[jolly tangle]

im just kidding

[tight cypress]

I won't move to Netherlands

No matter how you try to tempt me

[winged birch]

I like the ring of Wootometer more

[jolly tangle]

but we have a large tech area

[winged birch]

You will.

[jolly tangle]

and animecon

and much love

we also have this heineken enjoyr but he wont leave his house

[dense ridge]

why? whats wrong with nl ?

[winged birch]

😂😂😂

The only way you see me in public is in a public discord server

[tight cypress]

There's too much good with NL
Kinda suspicious

[lament saffron]

That's why Calder calls you Anonymous lol

[winged birch]

Anomounys. 😂😂😂

~ Calder.

[safe tundra]

We're moving to the Netherlands?

[sage reef]

new TKL addon just dropped

I would buy this no joke 🤔

[safe tundra]

@winged birch according to your roles...
You WERE seen in public, at least once

[winged birch]

Jokes on you, WootUp V3 was held online.

[safe tundra]

Foiled again

[winged birch]

10/10 editing, I would buy that too but I prefer the 80HE.

[plucky yarrow]

arrow keys my beloved

man if the nav cluster gets moved over by a tiny bit, the prototype batch would be one of a kind collector stuff then

wonder how many were made

[sage reef]

and I'm first in line, as the most committed tetra-block-fitted supporter and enjoyer

[winged birch]

The 80HE’s launch has been the most interesting one yet.

[safe tundra]

2.4k people agree with everything you just said

[tight cliff]

https://youtu.be/l3dq6uZC-hY Like this layout more than any TKL, no wasted space, the extra things on the 80HE will be interesting though

[sage reef]

why add stuff on the right instead of left side tho, using up mouse space / less centered when typing. just then have 1 column right and 2 columns left.

[tight cliff]

I have a 75% and it don't get used because the 60HE is soo good

Yeah, Southpaw keeb would be better for the numpad

[winged birch]

2.4K? You mean 3.3K? 🤣

[tight cliff]

Hopefully the extra "modules" that will be placed there will fit in nicely

I am in camp ''Happy either way'' as long as it doesn't look like the imo. Outdated TKL

[safe tundra]

Don't ever tell me the odds.
Also, I just woke up and couldn't be bothered to look....I knew I'd catch flak

[verbal solar]

Just brought the raptor HEs for my wooting, hope they are worth it icl

[sage reef]

unironically this (some left handed keyboard, but also good for right handed people)

it's easy to use arrows and stuff with left hand, and it's even closer! really wish this was the standard. so much mouse space (and more centered than current when typing).
easier to use Del (when placed correctly)

[safe tundra]

I actually really like that. I WASD left handed so... that's an obvious layout

[winged birch]

😂😂 I was shocked again when I saw it. 33 to 1, it gets better and better.

[winged birch]

Jade switches have similar tolerances and most find them to be better sounding. Raptors are good as well as they have the same travel distance as Lekker switches. You could also stem swap the Raptors to achieve even tighter tolerances but some say it then becomes too tight. 😂

[tight cliff]

https://windstudio.store/cdn/shop/files/windx98_45_9ed8e3f5-2421-42e2-a483-6c37ad645dbb.jpg?v=1701248748 👌

[safe tundra]

Congrats! But for newbs like me, what's the appeal?

[winged birch]

I like Numpad on the left and Arrows on the right because I use FN (with my thumb) + Arrows a lot.

[sage reef]

that's good too, but only for those that use Numpad tho, but would be good if this was the standard for full size keyboards at least (with TKL right side)

[fallen forge]

this is actually amazing (as someone who uses 60% for more mouse space/ergonomic reasons)

[winged birch]

Yeah, I think everyone can benefit from a Numpad honestly. It can function as a macro pad as well.

[sage reef]

yeah it's more centered too when typing

[tight cliff]

Could also rebind keys for arrows at numpad 🤷‍♂️

[marble ruin]

Nah it looks disguisting rather get TKL + separate numpad and its much better

[winged birch]

Yeah, a 60% with F-Row and Numpad. 🧐

[sage reef]

but only if you know the standard was like this and Num Enter column is on the left instead (or idk, then harder to click those small buttons, so might be good to keep like this, if those keys are easily remapable)

[buoyant jacinth]

hub should be back

[winged birch]

hub?

Was Wooting Hub down?

[buoyant jacinth]

lol wrong channel

[winged birch]

noob

[tight cliff]

The Everest60 has the swappable numpad

[safe tundra]

Too late, were in on it now

[fallen forge]

aye, that's why i was hoping for basically 75% version of 60he, no gaps between arrows and f-keys, etc

at least 80he is still a bit smaller than regular tkl

[tight cliff]

https://www.pcgamesn.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Mountain-Everest-60-review-gaming-keyboard-full-with-numpad.jpg Everest60 swappable numpad on both sides

[sage reef]

but that's bad tho, you need space to feel the keys better when typing, for fasting usage
especially important for Del key, space under it, also important for F keys

[weary knoll]

echo chamber in discord is real

[marble ruin]

Guys can u just use separate numpad i feel like talking about adding numpad to primary gaming keyboard is pointless

[midnight iron]

honestly i always feel numpad doesn't even have to be attached at all

yeah ales has the idea lol

[sage reef]

where is the TKL addon tho, why only numpad, need that arrows addon

[midnight iron]

just a separate numpad you bring out when you actually need one is the way for most

[winged birch]

An entire tetris keyboard could be sick

With everything separate but attachable

[sage reef]

nah TKL addon is not really good, just have it on the left tho, cause you always really need those keys
it's only good for like 60HE, but not many others

[tight cliff]

https://www.dinofizzotti.com/blog/2021-02-07-fnrow-v1-a-configurable-function-row-layout-mechanical-keyboard/fnrow_cropped.jpg Something like this yeah

[winged birch]

Bro imagine a 60% with an attachable F-Row, Nav cluster + Arrows, and Numpad.

That’d be so sick

[sage reef]

60HE handles keys good, not sure about most other 60% keebs tho, so it's only good for those that already handle all keys good without addons.

but Arrow section only on the left tho, same with Numpad, or I guess both ways could be possible with some wireless/charging (but can't unfortunately use magnets with HE, unless smartly calibrated somehow)

[fallen forge]

tbh i never had that problem, but maybe it's just me

i used the layout where F1 is directly over 1, so it was easy to locate those keys (at least up to F5, gets a bit muddy after that), and arrows located with right hand (you know where you are once your ring finger is on the right arrow key), del top right corner

but eh, gonna have to see how it feels with 80he, it's also less angled than 60he so might be more ergonomic in that regard

[sage reef]

for me it's just annoying to deal with compact 75%, always looking where to press, not to misclick, still misclick a lot, really annoying

and visually compact 75% don't look super good either, doesn't feel good to not feel any spaces between F row and really right column too (not just functionally but like just lack of spaces)

also the bottom row is messed up with small 1.0u RAlt, Fn, RCtrl keys, annoying to press, and visually

[old frost]

is it known if the keyboard will be released in 15 days or it will just be a pre-order? I need one asap, so I would go with 60% if they wont release it soon

[safe tundra]

It's a pre-order

[jovial ferry]

it will be a pre-order start, units are said to ship around Q2

[sage reef]

https://www.techpowerup.com/317576/epomaker-reveals-a-cutting-edge-designed-product-dynatab-75x

[old frost]

thanks, so its better to get 60%? I don't mind it I just find it confusing that the insert and other secondary buttons are not on key caps

[safe tundra]

That said, even a 60 will be many weeks if you order now. I ordered my 60 in early December and I won't have it until late Jan or early Feb

[old frost]

yes it says mid february, which I am fine with

[safe tundra]

better than what?

[old frost]

to "skip" the wait time.

[safe tundra]

I see.
Seems entirely up to you to decide.

I think it'll be at least 4 months before the first 80he is in customer hands.

[old frost]

I didn't customize any of my keyboards yet. Is there a difference if I buy some 3rd party key caps and replace them?

[old frost]

Aight, then I will go with the 60% for sure

[safe tundra]

That's pure guesstamation on my part, mind you. Not official in any way

[humble cargo]

"y wooting make dual row nav cluster nobody else do dis"

well it has a non-standard bottom row so they won't

[tight cypress]

[vagrant haven]

I wouldn’t

[tranquil flame]

Probably more so

[tranquil flame]

Lucky r u eu?

[safe tundra]

Well, that's why the at least was attached

Sorry, using mean for that to sound snarky... reading it, kinda does

[tranquil flame]

After the arrow key change def a Lil more time now

[old frost]

yes

[quick grove]

Is the 80he expected to be similar in price as the 60he ? I might pre-order one on the launch date just trying to get an idea of how much ill spend, my 60he should be here by friday so excited for that

[jolly tangle]

no information given yet

[sage reef]

guess it's like €20 more expensive

even more for zinc alloy ofc

[winged birch]

Calder said the guesses were nearly spot on, so about $200-$220 I presume.

[grizzled cove]

it’ll be 7 dollar

[quick grove]

Alrighty thanks!

[lament saffron]

I'm guessing higher just from the increased costs due to daughterboard, gaskets, additional switches, keycaps, etc.

Hoping for founders discounts or loyalty discounts though

[terse jackal]

Je pose cette master classe ici 🤌🏻 🫴🏻 ✨

[verbal solar]

oui

[terse jackal]

Moi je veux juste le prix et la possibilité de l'ajouter a mon panier 👹

[toxic zephyr]

il y a des fourmis dans mon pantalon

[terse jackal]

Flèche directionnel décaler ou pas, j'attendais ce format de la part de Wooting et je l'achèterai même si je dois m'endetter 🙌🏻 💸

[verbal solar]

guys keep it english 🤓

[toxic zephyr]

yeah actually I have no clue what you're saying and this server is an english server so please do keep it in english :>

[tight cypress]

[verbal solar]

now to it in korean

[terse jackal]

Je posais simplement cette master classe

Has a price been announced for the Wooting 80HE ?

[humble cargo]

no

soon tm

[terse jackal]

I can't wait

[tight cypress]

Soon! <t:1706187600:R>

[kind wasp]

wdym in 16 days

[verbal solar]

they have a campaign about the 80he

they are revealing shit in 16 days

[tight cypress]

Well, 15 days and 16 hours, but Discord be Discord I guess https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

[verbal solar]

🤓 ☝️

[terse jackal]

Ah, so 16 days to make the layout choice ?

[tight cypress]

16 days till Founders pre-order campaign

[terse jackal]

Is it possible to pre-order as a founder ? How can I become one ? Is it still possible ?

[toxic zephyr]

in 16 days yes pre-orders open

the founder's campaign runs for 30 days during which there are special perks on offer (not disclosed yet)

afterwards I'm sure it'll be available as normal pre-order anyway

[terse jackal]

Excuse me, it takes me a while to understand. Thanks

Later on, if there are surprises... I do like surprises. Do you think they'll be worth pre-ordering for ?

👀

[winged birch]

😂

[winged birch]

Could be, we’ll see soon enough.

[terse jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/floyd-mayweather-take-my-money-money-cash-have-my-money-gif-25089460

[rose crane]

but will the 80he be faster then the 60he

[terse jackal]

Anyway, I'm not an esports player 😂

[rose crane]

no but i mean like better switches or new software like rapid trigger

[terse jackal]

"The Wooting 80HE, a high-end built tenkeyless hall effect keyboard with a few industry breaking surprises under the hood."

Possibly

[rose crane]

what does hall effect mean

[toxic zephyr]

any improvements to the switches and to the software will also come to all other products

[terse jackal]

The PCB won't limit the speed, right ?

[tight cypress]

Magnets! Lekker switches (and other HE ones) work not by connecting two pins like usual mechanical do, but by Hall Effect sensors on PCB detecting how far the magnet is (which is in the switch)

[terse jackal]

Finally, I say that, but it's already extremely fast 😂

[rose crane]

oow okey thank you

i mean i am upgrading from a apex pro tkl 2019 edition. so i want the 80he to be faster and sounds better yk

[dense ridge]

@winged birchthe guesses were up to 200

i hope it will be like 190+-

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-blink-turn-head-head-sideways-really-gif-12604611

[upper geyser]

lol

Could be refined, its just a fast edit.

[outer elk]

this is unironically the best one ive seen. It even has the weird LED strip, I also like the 2 mode buttons and the 2 page down buttons

[upper geyser]

Thank you

[outer elk]

I really hope wooting sees this, copies it, and gives you 45% of profits

[upper geyser]

I just want everyone to be happy, no profits needed.

[outer elk]

65% profit for the incredible humility from you

[tight cypress]

Make it 80%, so it matches the name

[outer elk]

this guy gets it

[torn breach]

would be nice to replace the pg buttons with another led strip tbh

[outer elk]

thats what was missing, perhaps a 2nd or 3rd led strip in the gaps around the arrow keys as well

[torn breach]

we dont even need the mode and f12 so we could probably fit another led strip there too

[outer elk]

do we really need the F row as well? seems like great LED real estate

[torn breach]

is that right? maybe you’re right…YOU’RE SO RIGHT!!!

[outer elk]

maybe we transform the keyboard into a full size keyboard, remove all the keys except WASD and fill the rest with LED strips

maybe we leave out S because real gamers dont retreat

[torn breach]

i need alt f4 to disconnect on my teammates mid game

[outer elk]

ok, we can spare some space

[fallen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-gif-26059919

[upper geyser]

Cuz I love my knobs, cant stand adjusting volume via keys. I also think this looks more esthetically pleasing.

[glad fable]

The uneven bezels in question:

[upper geyser]

As I've said, its a fast edit, can be refined.

It was a 3 min paint edit.

[fallen forge]

a bit of a guess about modules, basically a rotary encoder but the whole thing is just a knob with a magnet at the bottom of it (no electrical components connecting to keyboards pcb or anything like that), during rotation magnet goes over the sensors where switches would be

software makes sense of it all

very technical drawing, but kinda like this

bonus guess: same principle but a 4 way analog joystick (why, i dunno) or/and a two way joystick that clips in instead of 2 switches (for vol up/down or whatever)

[jolly tangle]

👀

[next holly]

Ahh I missed the vote

[winged birch]

#📣│announcements

[winged birch]

My guess was €220, could be less but I doubt below €200 honestly.

[next holly]

I might just be failing at Twitter, but I thinkt he vote is closed.

[glad fable]

welll there was a clear winner anyways

[winged birch]

The vote on Discord is still going on at least but with a difference of 3.3K you might as well call it closed.

[next holly]

I somehow assumed that was a link to Twitter without reading, my bad 🤦

[midnight iron]

Don’t worry gram. The most important part is that we can count on your wallet voting for the 80he alloy edition so they see it’s popular and add white zinc alloy for founders

[next holly]

haha I am going to buy it either way. Arrow and F keys are the important part for me, style is less important. The 60 is already kind of heavy, I wonder how heavy the zinc alloy will be.

[midnight iron]

Excellent, welcome to the church of the white zinc alloy 80he

[tawny flame]

This is sicker

[severe merlin]

The 80HE will have less input delay than the 60HE right?

[spark hound]

Unknown

I expect it to be similar

But does 0.3ms matter that much?

[midnight iron]

I can’t see it being any faster unless it’s like 2k hz scanning. Either way it wouldn’t be something that’s noticable even if it were faster though

[sleek pelican]

ooh, maybe thinkpad dot attachment

[sage reef]

they did say the weight, I think 2.2kg or something, since zinc is heavy

[final fulcrum]

Is there a possibility of adding a triple spacebar option? I really like having the option of splitting my spacebar into 3 keys its useful in gaming and other applications.

[sage reef]

NEW POLL

(also TKL would have lightbar as well somehow, but maybe doesn't fit)
(A attachment can also be some Knob tho (connect to kb wirelessly + magnetic + charging))

[tight cypress]

TKL with 80HE's dimensions? Is it physically possible?

[wind tiger]

you can't just make it "with 80HE dimenstions"

[sage reef]

just don't mind about that, I mean spacing between keys ofc and same bezels

[tight cypress]

Yeah... a bit short

[sage reef]

give that template to me

[midnight iron]

I mean why are we even polling more, poll is over

it's now time to prepare yourself to purchase the 80he alloy edition so that we get that smooth, clean white zinc alloy 80he

[tight cypress]

Have fun, open on draw.io

[winged birch]

Will the 80HE have screw in stabs, I presume so, if not I demand another poll. 🤣

Imagine gasket with plate mount stabs 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[wind tiger]

how is that any worse than any other mount with plate mount stabs

(except plateless mounts obv)

[winged birch]

I mean imagine them spending all that time to make gasket work and then going with plate mounted stabs

[wind tiger]

"all that time"

implementation of what they do is not that expensive to make

[winged birch]

3rd try: Imagine them spending all that time to make gasket work and then going with the worst stab mount: plate mounted

Is that more clear?

[sage reef]

actually kind of tested, and if the addon is a knob, placed between lightbar and keys, you can't really move keys to the right (B), because you would more often accidentally touch the addon when using keys.
try placing fingers over arrow keys, but don't bend them too much, you see the ring finger reaching pretty far up.

[fallen forge]

no way they'd have attachment there imo

[fallen forge]

that's my guess for knob, makes sense with the led strip and why only arrows could be moved and nothing else

[sage reef]

maybe not, but still this mysterious compartment tho

what's the point of cutting out that section

[fallen forge]

tbh that just looks like some structural bits inside the case, the injection molded parts aren't made super thick and solid, it's always a bunch of ribs and hollow compartments, etc

[terse jackal]

Oh

[sage reef]

no but it's much easier to make it without that tho, you don't just decide to do it for no reason. sure maybe something else, but still suspicious, don't think we've seen anything like that other place on kb.

[fallen forge]

here, snapped an example of my mice full of secret compartments

[wind tiger]

yea with injection molding you want to avoid parts taht are too thick

they obv aren't machined

[fallen forge]

that's how you have to do it with injection molding though, it's not done for 'no reason', it's for structural reasons

[sage reef]

better angle

[wind tiger]

are you talking about the red or the blue thing

[sage reef]

yeah blue

i realized that the red was some snap on thingy probably

[wind tiger]

might just be some ribbing

[sage reef]

the blue compartment is empty, maybe place for magnet

[wind tiger]

sounds unlikely, since it could mess with all the HE sensors next to it

[sage reef]

well certainly if the move the keys it's gonna be worse

[winged birch]

the red tho 🧐

looks like a hole

[wind tiger]

a place for the top and bottom place to clip together

[winged birch]

how you mean?

[fallen forge]

that just looks like some ribbing for reinforcement and clips

[winged birch]

oh ic

[wind tiger]

it's an empty space for a clip/latch of the bottom case to hold onto

[winged birch]

yeah ic

looked like a hole at first

[sage reef]

but come on, this isn't random or something else. like 90% certain for some addon
at exactly the same place a potential magnet or something would have been

[wind tiger]

yea it is certain to be used so it can be molded

[fallen forge]

it's not random, that's how injection molding works, yes

[sage reef]

too big of a coincidence to be exactly in the same spot a magnet would have been, and doesn't look like some injection molding whatever

[toxic zephyr]

psychosis deepens

[fallen forge]

not to offend, but i feel like that's how conspiracies start

people trying to assign meaning to things they don't fully understand and just going with whatever makes sense to them

[toxic zephyr]

hahaha I was literally about to type the exact same thing

this is how religions and conspiracy theories work

[sage reef]

that's no conspiracy at all, it's literally a very suspicious anomaly in the exactly same place some magnet for addon would have been
so like 90% it's for some addon, still 10% it's something else
but you would always bet on addon

[nova nexus]

It's the port where you inject it with the Covid vaccine so that the keyboard gets 5G connectivity to communicate your personal information to the lizard people

[toxic zephyr]

what makes you think there's a magnetic addon in the first place though

you literally invented it yourself

[wind tiger]

I mean I don't see why it wouldn't work

[fallen forge]

lets spice it up

[wind tiger]

the magnetic encoder that is

[verbal solar]

COVID!!? you mean that lab made "VACCINE"

[wind tiger]

obv not with just one magnet in the knob tho

[sage reef]

because looking at many images, pretty impossible to have some addon that sticks to kb without some magnet.
we know some future addon is coming too, it's good assumption. less likely it's some knob on some other key I'd say.

but no, I don't think this space will be used for a knob (wireless charging from kb + magnet), because it doesn't seem like this is connected to something else on kb.
and also because of the ring finger touching it when shifting hand to arrow keys or even using arrow keys.
so if it's an addon, it's some simple pretty flat metallic addon.

[fallen forge]

i've made a post with a picture above (with knob and magnetic encoder idea), imo that seems plausible to me

but some thing that sticks to the side? there no indexing points there, it's all smooth, even if there were some strong magnets it wouldn't hold anything in place, also makes little sense ergonomically

[sage reef]

it can't be external to the side either, that's just not smart, considering having to use that extra space there to make arrows look better, and also reducing mouse space.
might be somehow (taking advantage of that side groove, flipped 90 degrees knob), but less likely

[fallen forge]

and all that awkward empty space? well, that's for your thumb!

[sage reef]

sorry but that idea is definitely not it xD you remove valuable Del key, just not possible

[tranquil void]

you map del to the row above it

or just fn + backspace

[sage reef]

it won't have same key profile, unless some extra Del incl, but also in general just no, too far to stretch for it, having to move wrist

[tranquil void]

remapping is your friend

[fallen forge]

not sure how that's an issue when the keeb was revealed/announced without del key

[tranquil void]

maybe put del on the capslock key

[tranquil void]

60he doesn't have a del key and seems to sell above average

[sage reef]

they're not gonna do this kb with these useful keys as big reason to buy it and then have addon to replace them, this is just pepega

[tight cypress]

• Take off End keycap
• Put on Del keycap
• Remap in Wootility
• ???
• Profit!

[tranquil void]

Nah some people won't care for the extra keys
If that design is accurate, just see the addon as a way to use the keyboard as a 65% with arrow keys and a knob maybe

[sage reef]

you have to move wrist way too much up, try moving hand with current Del and new

[winged birch]

A knob that takes up the space of the entire 4 key cluster seems like a waste of space honestly.

[sage reef]

you only roll wrist when using current Del, but have to move it a lot with that high one

this Del placement is also where it has been always for everyone for many decades, those people wooting targets with this

[tranquil void]

big knob be nice to touch and use I'd say

[tight cypress]

I don't get why knob would even be that important... I'd rather have an external knob and put it in easy to reach place for volume control

[silk hedge]

could just be a 2 key knob instead of 4

or a more likely 1 key

[tranquil void]

how

how would it be 2 key, like a band?

[tight cypress]

2 key slider

[tranquil void]

then you could have 2

Or 50 on @lament heron's ortholinear keyboard

[tight cypress]

2 in 1 ortholinear keyboard and mixer console

[sage reef]

this knob is not gonna be there, but just for fun to also see how would be on left side (Ctrl replaces Win key)

you see even with that small knob and stuff, not moving the keys, you still will sometimes accidentally hit it with ring finger

[tranquil void]

ah yes, using the keyboard upside down

[silk hedge]

that's an abomination

i hope there's 2 key mods too like maybe a screen or something

[tight cypress]

In my favourite POIUYT layout

[tranquil void]

[sage reef]

the knob might instead be flipped 90 degrees and be lodged more in that small groove on the side, but also with a bit of metal on top there, like W logo or something, so it sticks better, and doesn't fall off from the side

[silk hedge]

fight stick mod for the keyboard lol

or a joystick

[magic steppe]

I think this is the best fix (made by someone in this server): shifting the arrow keys doesn't change how the keyboard looks, instead compacting the top right keys does it

[silk hedge]

yeah but that probably wont be possible considering the mods

[nimble gazelle]

Man I would be sold on that layout in a second. Obviously still like 75 or TKL more. But that's the best I've seen.

[fallen forge]

leverless is all the rage now though, the things i'd do for wooting hitbox

[silk hedge]

not a big fan of leverless ngl

[tranquil void]

tbh same but ay

would mean opening new moulds aka take long to do

[winged birch]

I like this as well but it’s not gonna be possible. Mold would have to be change is a few different places and rgb strip is less wide here which means it wouldn’t fit the 10 leds like planned.

[magic steppe]

Same! In this case you have to modify 6 keys instead the 4 arrow keys and the LED. This means that also the case should be shorter

[winged birch]

Is there info available on PCB thickness and if the 80HE will have screw in stabs?

I’d presume so but anything official?

[sage reef]

with the knob sticking out from the groove on the side, metal plate holding it goes around edge and Wooting logo on top.

[magic steppe]

Do you create it on a dedicated software for keyboard's layout or any sketch/design software?

[sage reef]

just draw.io site, drag and drop it there

[tight cypress]

But, there's a dedicated tool for playing around with keyboard layouts, here http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/
I just did it in draw.io when I was bored at work

[verbal solar]

will the wooting 80 be "e-sports grade" like the 60?

[tight cypress]

Well... All Wooting keebs are

On 2HE with Tachyon mode and Focus mode you can achieve 1ms speed on half of keyboard too

[verbal solar]

yeah 2HE is pretty much at 60HE's level just 0.1ms worse on average

my question was is 80HE going to be on par with 60HE or perhaps better when it comes to latency

[tight cypress]

I'm pretty sure that yes, either it'll have whole board Tachyon mode or 2-segmented Focus mode, either way it'll be possible to par with 60HE

[verbal solar]

ahhhh pogg

[prisma saddle]

too bad it doesn't support 7u. it would have looked better on that board

[reef ruin]

It's not moddable homie

[silk hedge]

?

[reef ruin]

80HE is not going to be case moddable

Non standard design + gasket mounted

[silk hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

We are talking about the knob mods

[reef ruin]

Ah that

No knob sadly

[silk hedge]

Yes there is one

[reef ruin]

Where?

[silk hedge]

Lol you have no ide what we are talking about, but it hasnt been revealed officially. You will be able to add mods or addons replacing the 4 tkl keys, and a knob is confirmed to be one of those

[reef ruin]

Where has it been revealed then?

[silk hedge]

Discord livestream

[reef ruin]

Ah that yeah okay

I mean just ask Syte he has it

[silk hedge]

That's why people have been creating concepts like this

[reef ruin]

A ok

[toxic zephyr]

nah must be illuminati secret magnet and diagonal knob

[reef ruin]

I haven't seen or heard much but I know some stuff that will be software side

[jolly tangle]

because calder leaks stuff the first addon will be a knob

and now people are going to guess

[silk hedge]

Hopefully more than 1 addon on release

[jolly tangle]

we dont even know if it will be available on the release

[pearl tapir]

bro add a joystick to a keyboard instant buy

[silk hedge]

Yea i suggested it earlier

[jolly tangle]

however the knob will be able to interact with the led bar

[tight cypress]

You can make joystick right now
Stick it to Insert/Delete/Home/End keys for example, set gamepad axis in wootility and done

[silk hedge]

Not sure how a joystick would work with he switches

[jolly tangle]

hey I never said that drawing is right. only that there will come a knob eventually

[pearl tapir]

i would prefer a joystick under space or smth

to u can use it with thumb

[reef ruin]

You don't even know you will have to wait a month more for release in store

[jolly tangle]

hey you guys better start to ask some questions because calder reads everything 😄

[midnight iron]

I can’t wait for Calder to add the white 80he zinc alloy version

[pearl tapir]

i really think that joystick would be a great addon tbh

[reef ruin]

Celeste speedrunners dream

[pearl tapir]

fr

[reef ruin]

Time to wait a month to get it out in store

And then 6 months to get it in my hands

[low token]

Well I hope so for it. Also I think i'am buying it in second batch

[low token]

What do you mean 6 months

[reef ruin]

5-6 months?

[reef ruin]

I mean 6 months cause it is crowdfunded homie

[low token]

[reef ruin]

preorder

[toxic zephyr]

not really crowdfunded but pre-ordered either way

[reef ruin]

Yes crowdfunded

[low token]

Groupbuy

[toxic zephyr]

whatever don't care to argue with you

call it what you want

[reef ruin]

Literally says founders campaign

[tight cypress]

Founders campaign, not crowdfunding campaign...

[toxic zephyr]

yep so not crowdfunded 👍

[reef ruin]

You are the reason why it exists, same as croudfunding

[toxic zephyr]

[jolly tangle]

jokes on you snowman.

I asked that before you asked it

[silk hedge]

Would it be possible to add a screen add on?

[supple bloom]

As someone not from the wooting team, i can confirm its gonna be impossible

[verbal solar]

yeah they ain't gonna do that if u mean like an oled screen on the keyboard

[severe merlin]

What's the Polling Rate?

[random oxide]

1k I'm guessing

[severe merlin]

I hope it's 8000.

[lapis galleon]

its not gonna be 8000

HE draws enough power already

my guess is probably 1k

[midnight iron]

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried bump up scanning to 2k

but who knows, it's mostly vanity numbers at this point for actual ms responses

[random oxide]

The most recent razer analog keyboards are only 1k, and most of their other keebs are 8k. I assume they would have gone as high as feasible for marketing reasons alone

[lapis galleon]

true, but even the 60he has trouble with power on tachyon with 1k polling

2k could very well still take too much power

[supple bloom]

I just uhh discovered theres he version of keychron

damn didnt know it existed what

[midnight iron]

yeah it's been announced for a long time

there's a he version from basically every big brand these days

[random oxide]

There's also the qk boog75

[midnight iron]

you mean meletrix

qk is neo brand

[supple bloom]

oh yeah thanks for saying that

but in terms of performance, wooting is still in lead of he tech right

[random oxide]

Oh right, ya meletrix

I have a neo65 coming in and got confused

[midnight iron]

in terms of consistent RT software wooting has always been at the front

[random oxide]

Zoom75 he PCB basically

Even EGG just released the kb65he

[supple bloom]

so thats why everyone cares so much with wooting layout fr

[lapis galleon]

8k is almost entirely for marketing yeah

when you're getting into sub ms theres very minor differences

if any noticeable differences at all

[midnight iron]

yep, honestly reviews should more look towards consistency of the rapid trigger/actuation and not so much just if it has decent RT these days

there's a lot of boards that measure ok on just rt performance, but have consistency issues/deadzones/accidentally deregistering keys mid press etc

[lapis galleon]

I've learned to not really trust reviewers

people's actual experiences is almost always better

(so long as its common amongst users)

[supple bloom]

getting 8k polling rate just so i can tea bag 0.2s faster

[lapis galleon]

actually 0.00087s

[supple bloom]

Math guy

[lapis galleon]

google is my math guy

[supple bloom]

Googled joke not funny 😔

[severe merlin]

Not if you’re playing Geometry Dash where there’s multiple Frame Perfect inputs.

[lapis galleon]

thats one use case

its a keyboard, it really doesnt need to have super high polling

dont know how much it'll actually help in the long run

[magic steppe]

What did you make me discover!

[winter coral]

First: #🌟│wooting80he message
Small Tuning: #🌟│wooting80he message

[sage reef]

actual Dream Scenario Wooting ISOx (ESDF) Knob 77HE keyboard (except for colors)

[lapis galleon]

just make your own HE keyboard at this point my guy lmao

[toxic zephyr]

I have never seen something so cursed

[sage reef]

no but actually Ctrl where OS key is better if you play games with ESDF or just try now placing fingers on Home Row and see you struggle reaching Ctrl

[severe merlin]

So you can Pre-Order in 2 weeks or can you Order in 2 weeks?

[toxic zephyr]

preorder

[severe merlin]

Where’s the Delete key?

[toxic zephyr]

wherever you want to put it

remap, that is

[severe merlin]

So no dedicated?

[toxic zephyr]

everything is reprogrammable

it's dedicated if you make it so

[lapis galleon]

it comes with the full TKL keycaps

so you can put it wherever you want

[toxic zephyr]

ngl they should just have the Del key on there by default since this seems to confuse a lot of people for good reason too

[severe merlin]

Oh, so it has room for all the keys on a normal TKL?

[lapis galleon]

no, it just comes with the keycaps in the box

[sage reef]

@severe merlin they already placed Del key where it belongs on recent poll screenshots, that's how it will ship

[toxic zephyr]

good

[severe merlin]

So there’s spare key caps?

[lapis galleon]

the keys you are missing on the nav cluster have keycaps yes

[obtuse wagon]

Believe they stated it comes with a fullsize keycap set

[lapis galleon]

could've sworn it was a full TKL set

[obtuse wagon]

Maybe that let me search

[lapis galleon]

however it seems like it ships with del key

at least according to the poll in #📣│announcements

[severe merlin]

So you can pick what Navigation Cluster keys to have? That’s pretty good not gonna lie.

[lapis galleon]

yep

[obtuse wagon]

Seems you are correct sir

[lapis galleon]

ok yeah so full TKL set

weird wording tbf

[obtuse wagon]

Def weird but then again they still have "Pre-Order" on the US store page so Wooting likes weird

[buoyant solstice]

I didn't want to use the term TKL, because it could confuse folks.

It might actually ship with a full, full set now that I think of it. At least for ISO.

[magic steppe]

Yes this is the best fix in my opinion, I said it even before in the chat! I was referring to the website, not to the layout in the message. I miss clicked the message

[winged birch]

What’s the PCB thickness of the 80HE and will it support screw in stabs?

Support/come with.

[obsidian raven]

Where?

[obsidian raven]

oh crap

hold up

[obtuse wagon]

finally @lament heron an me get our wish

[obsidian raven]

refresh

[obtuse wagon]

Good now 👍

[meager bolt]

what do you think will the 80he cost?

[obtuse wagon]

My guess is like $190-$220ish for the plastic variant an like $250+ for the Zinc

[obsidian raven]

1.6 mm and yes

[reef ruin]

They will always support screw in stabs as of now

They might've wanted to get clip ons to make it easier for first few batches

[winged birch]

🥰 Great to hear!

[cursive tiger]

when is the release date of 80he?

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-happy-jumping-gif-26555219

[winged birch]

Campaign will start the 25th I believe and shipping should be Q2

[cursive tiger]

ty

[severe merlin]

What difference does it make if you have the Zinc compared to the Plastic?

[obtuse wagon]

Weight an sound profile

[severe merlin]

So Zinc is basically just for keyboard enthusiasts while the Plastic is for gamers?

[obtuse wagon]

Exactly this

If you are just looking for performance, the stock plastic variant will be fine, just like it is for the 60HE folks

[severe merlin]

Alright I guess I’m getting the Plastic version.

[obtuse wagon]

You are helping the environment in the process so a double win

[safe tundra]

I'm just a gamer but you guys are turning me into a keyboard nerd.
That, mixed with the fact that I'm a fabricator and now I'm going to machine my own case. .... I just can't decide on what keycaps to get

[silk hedge]

There's lots and lots

[safe tundra]

I know

[silk hedge]

Saw some printstream keycaps the other day that i thought were need but a bit to tacky

[obtuse wagon]

I try to avoid the keycap rabbit hole, plus Im just a basic b.. I enjoy my white keycaps

Cant wait to get these Wooting White's in person

[safe tundra]

That really gives me Portal vibes.

It's so.... companion cube.

Is that your daily driver?

[silk hedge]

Nah

Just googled the keycaps, thats a gmmk pro aka garbage

[safe tundra]

The rabbit hole deepens. 🤓

[safe tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-walter-white-sus-face-app-gif-23028540

[obtuse wagon]

that is a creepy af gif

[safe tundra]

I do what I can

[humble cargo]

when the acid kicks in

[severe merlin]

What switches will it have, the Lekker Linear60 or the Lekker Linear45?

[safe tundra]

Good question

[winged birch]

If not new switches (Gateron KS-20Us (Dual Rail)) then just regular Lekkers.

I think KS-20Us will be long available by the time 80HE starts production so it should be those.

[safe tundra]

I can't find any info on the "u" version .... only the KS-20 version that seems available?
What makes this desirable?

[tight cypress]

KS-20Us are upcoming dual-rail KS-20s, they should be less wobbly than their single-railed counterpart

[safe tundra]

I see!

[knotty cloud]

https://divinikey.com/products/qwertykeys-neo80-case

Pretty palatable 80% layout

[severe merlin]

Are they better than the Lekker Linear?

[toxic zephyr]

they have supposedly less wobble

..which isn't that hard to do honestly, lekkers are quite wobbly

[severe merlin]

Yeah but Performance-Wise?

[toxic zephyr]

hall-effect switches don't contribute to performance

it's a magnet stuck to some plastic, the performance comes from sensing the magnet

[severe merlin]

I know.

[toxic zephyr]

in other words, the hardware on the PCB as well as the firmware

[severe merlin]

But do the new switches have like Rapid Trigger, Adjustable Actuation Point to 0.1mm, Tachyon Mode and Analog Movement like the Lekker Linear?

[toxic zephyr]

like I said, switches don't contribute to any of that

[severe merlin]

Oh so that’s the keyboard.

[toxic zephyr]

it's all in the firmware

[severe merlin]

Then what’s is the difference other than Wobble?

[toxic zephyr]

spring, housing material maybe, design, sound, feel

[vapid storm]

the only thing to note really, is the magnet size or rather strength. if it's less or more than the lekkers they will behave differently which might not be optimal with a wooting, but the self calibration thing probably handles those situations well enough

[severe merlin]

What about Actuation Force?

[toxic zephyr]

that's "spring"

[severe merlin]

Yeah, but are the springs lighter or heavier?

[toxic zephyr]

this I do not know

you can maybe look it up online

[severe merlin]

Ok.

[vague prism]

How worth will this keyboard be

[spark hound]

Very much worth

But the price is not known

[safe tundra]

@buoyant jacinth Do ya'll think you'll still be making changes after the launch of the preorder start? Or are you trying to finalize before that date? As of this text 14 days 11 hours +

[midnight iron]

The most important change is when we all order the zinc alloy 80he and they add the white founders 80he zinc alloy case for us to swap to

Praise be to the church of the white zinc alloy 80HE

[jolly tangle]

please no thread keep discussion in here 🙂

[safe tundra]

I wasn't trying to start a thread really. I just was replying to my own comment... but for sure, np.

[safe tundra]

That is, I just wanted my question to be open to anyone who had the information and not limited to Necron.

[midnight iron]

Threads are by far the most confusing layout addition to discord

It has its use but by god does it make everything confusing and all over the place. That and their whole ‘we won’t show all channels to everyone by default so f you if you add a new channel’ feature

[buoyant jacinth]

Depends on what you are imagining us changing.

For example, case colours? We are always trying to have our products look how we want, so if samples come in and are not good enough, then of course more time will be needed for adjustments and new samples. Colour is surprisingly tricky and can take a few tries to get right.

But if you're thinking more hardware things like a different mounting than gasket, then very unlikely.

All the deets will be revealed eventually. Lots about it yall don't know yet (which is our mistake, we want to tell you guys badly, but some time is needed)

Speaking of, we will be having a bi-weekly stream on youtube this friday, and there will likely be 80HE discussion, esp. about the poll results

[safe tundra]

For sure!
Thanks for the reply.
I was thinking more to the format, key spacing and such that seemed to be opened up by the community response.
More like... were the team thinking of delaying the launch some to get all those changes in place before launch or... Maybe allowing people to begin to preorder with the caveat that "x" or "y" might be changing...TBD... That kind of thing.

I do of course realize that updates and tweaks are always happening and rolling out as needed/desired/required.

[safe tundra]

Does wooting have a YT channel that I can subscribe to?

[buoyant jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/@Wooting

[fallow spire]

We are going to do this launch a bit different. I want to spend a bit more time to complete our design before launch for sale.

[remote moss]

[viscid owl]

Fuck metal cases, where's my WOOD case!

[ebon sluice]

In a fireplace where it belongs, that's where it is

[viscid owl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1iCZpFMYd0

[limpid wagon]

I want to know if we can pre-order 80he when the countdown ends.

[haughty robin]

What are some of you guys gonna do with the Mode key? Keep it the way that it is? Rebind it to something specific? I wanna hear ideas!

[ebon sluice]

maybe mute function with an artisan keycap

[midnight iron]

Use one of my artisan keys and it’ll probably become print screen or similar

[haughty robin]

I’m thinking of using it as a layout macro for my workspaces. I have several screen configurations I use regularly. Being able to push that button with modifiers to toggle between them is gonna be badass I think

[midnight iron]

i bought an extra artisan in each color for my keycap set just because they looked cute, so lucky I have an artisan that fits perfectly for that extra key

[haughty robin]

This 80he form factor is so damn perfect for me. I don’t care what anyone else says.

I basically wanted a 60he with f-keys and uncramped arrow keys. I’m beyond excited.

[midnight iron]

there's honestly a lot like you. People overestimate how much most everyday people care that it's not quite a tkl

I'm very curious to see just how many preorders they'll get in founders campaign

[haughty robin]

I’m getting all the bells and whistles, that’s for sure.

I’m hoping their Alu/brass case has no strap… sorry I’m a strap hater

[midnight iron]

yeah there's no strap, they mentioned that

[haughty robin]

It seems the simulation cares about me this time because this is quite possibly the closest match to my personal tastes they could have possibly made.

Feels good to have my tastes line up with wooting’s who are very much keyboard nerds

[ruby jungle]

I am kinda confused, on the website it says it will be open for preorder in 14 days, so that means we have to wait like a couple of months after that till it arrives or? Sorry its my first time getting/wanting a Wooting

[buoyant solstice]

Yes. We hope to deliver the first batch by June'ish.

[ruby jungle]

Ah okay, I see thank you! Is there a stock (I mean if only a couple of people can order it or unlimited)

[buoyant solstice]

Nothing is infinite, but historically we've made sure to adjust the initial production run to at the very least match all pre-orders (which is why we do it this early compared to delivery) as well as add a buffer, so that late joiners can also place an order and get it early.

Like the UwU. We made sure to produce a healthy surplus of the 6300 or so preordered UwUs.

[ruby jungle]

Cool, I am really excited now. I will absolutely pre-order a 80HE, it's the perfect length for me!!

[buoyant solstice]

[sage reef]

yeah it's a great tool for many things. but it uses Alt modifier for things, and opens up Alt menu on browser, losing focus etc, maybe some way to fix tho.
works better on chrome tho, used ffox

[split aspen]

can I offer a suggestion?

[wind tiger]

arrows were not exploded off on purpose

since it makes the entire case thicker just to have 4 keys stick out a bit more

[split aspen]

does it? the edge margins are already pretty wide

[wind tiger]

yes

otherwise you have a thinner edge on those keys, also looks pretty bad

[split aspen]

could do a consistent margin around the arrow keys and thicker under the main keys instead

[wind tiger]

that is exactly what they didn't wanna do

[split aspen]

it's going to be a little awkward no matter what, really comes down to preference which one you prefer

[wind tiger]

personally the xeno and tomo nail the 75% layout

[split aspen]

but this isn't a 75%, right

it's a near-TKL

[wind tiger]

what

[split aspen]

the 80HE

[wind tiger]

how is that not a 75%

this is also a 75

[split aspen]

are we going by key count?

[wind tiger]

no

[split aspen]

so what then

[wind tiger]

if it isn't just a TKL with possibly like a handful of removed keys but actually moves stuff around it is basically always a 75%

otherwise an ortho 1% 60% would be able to classify as a 75%

[split aspen]

sounds like an arbitrary definition

wooting themselves refer to it as "something in-betwen"

The expectations were built up towards either a 75 or TKL layout, but we introduced something in between

[jolly tangle]

give it a name

[wind tiger]

75% is an arbitrary definition

what do you expect from a layout that got created by just chopping a different board in half

[wind tiger]

that is how people used to make 75% boards

[midnight iron]

not the biggest fan of exploded arrow keys, like a lot of folks I think the non exploded version in mode sonnet, zoom75, qk75n etc look much better

[wind tiger]

yea qk75n is similar to the xeno or tomo in layout

[wind tiger]

most old image hosts are dead, here are some of ceesas boards, the blue-ish one is basically how 75%s came to be

[sage reef]

who is this from

[jolly tangle]

i hope this will not become me

[wind tiger]

I bought 6 G80 boards from that guy as well as oodles of tipro POS boards

[midnight iron]

I have a rule if I buy another board of the same size I have to sell the old one, same with mice

otherwise house will end up filled with keyboard and mice

[wind tiger]

glad I don't have that rule

altho I have clear favourites in my boards

wouldn't wanna sell my idb to get a 60he tho

[toxic zephyr]

I have a rule that says I have one keyboard and one mouse

works very well

[wind tiger]

I have a rule that I have like a lot of keyboards and a lot of mice

[fallen forge]

i would imagine it's not too difficult to figure out joysticks position based on four he sensors (sensors "feel" the magnet at the bottom of the stick, stick tilts to the left so the sensors where page up and down buttons would be interpret that as left direction and so on)

the question is how well would it work and do people even need something like that, i certainly want it but have no idea what i would use it for

[silk hedge]

i'd rather have a fightstick

[jolly tangle]

idea: wooting joystick addon 👀

with haptic feedback

[left turtle]

DUUUUUUDEEEEEEE

i had one of those!!!

blast from the past!

[fallen forge]

wooting solenoid

[silk hedge]

Do u have the dk bongos tho?

[wooden ferry]

u got any mice u can recommend good for fingertip gripping ?

[supple ember]

beast x

[wooden ferry]

heard the battery life was a bit poor, how long does it last for u usually?

assuming u own it ^^

[jagged ruin]

I would like to buy the L45 switches, but I'm not sure if i should wait for the 80HE, do you guys think it will have new switches or just layout?

[supple ember]

dont have it (yet), but battery life depends on your polling rate obv

no

https://tenor.com/view/kittew-gif-23901607

[safe tundra]

You'll get a role sticker inside this discord! ..... sooooo... there's that

[wind tiger]

Cox cm600

[winged birch]

If you want to waste money on not so great switches you should indeed buy the Lekkers. If you like to buy good switches now you can either buy the Gateron Jade Switches (KS-20T) or Geon’s Raptor HE Switches. Soon the second version of Gateron’s HE switches (Dual Rail (KS-20U)) will be available which the 80HE will most likely ship with. 👍

[ebon sluice]

Since when did Wooting have reliability issues that Finalmouse can't seem to get right? Although I'm sure they've improved

[winter coral]

ks20u vs ks-37b....anybody the difference? just different mounting?

[ebon sluice]

Sure but they really don't do anything unique, or have similar impact to the 60HE imo. Anyways, I don't wanna derail this thread

It's light and that's about it. I don't see how the ULX is the Wooting of mice, not even remotely close imo

[grizzled cove]

yeah and pay an arm and a leg 🔥

189 is a competitive price?

man im dead

finalmouse is the hypebeast brand of gaming peripherals

[winged birch]

Only the KS-20 serie switches are compatible with Wooting HE as of now (Wooting might support the KS-37 serie switches in the future as well). Both switches have the dual rail design but the KS-37Bs have a different magnet, a slightly different stem, a bottom housing with a downwards protrusion for the stem and an RGB spreader.

[prime tulip]

What is the differente between the KS-20 orange and the 20T and U Switch?

[ebon sluice]

Just get a Beast X, at least you have a massive dongle to show for it

day #12 80HE wen?

[grizzled cove]

nah im fine wit my gpro

[ebon sluice]

hard to beat a legend, I'm still hoping for a mini gpro

[worthy wigeon]

Is it confirmed that we can turn off the light of the rgb strip?

[wooden ferry]

bro tf is that cube HAHHAHA

main selling point of the mouse goddamn i need that shit

[modest mulch]

how much will the wooting 80He cost

[silk hedge]

yes

also i agree with what everyone else has said just get the beast x weighs 1-2 grams more and is 50 bucks cheaper + nice cube dongle

also no flex

yea and in allmost all of those the wl mouse is either equal or better than the ulx

multiple reviews

the only thing the ulx has over the beast x is 8k polling rate allthough that isnt consistent at all and drains battery life in 2 hours, and maybe the beehive shape is more comfortable for some people

again i havent just watched 1 review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6oAl-isANM

the beast x is also more customizable

you can get custom paintjobs from them

[jolly tangle]

guys please stay ot 🙂

mouse talk in #🔌│tech or #💬│general

[safe tundra]

https://finalmouse.com/products/centerpiece-overview Uhoh

oops....mb @jolly tangle .

Oh wait.... that link IS actually on topic.... I think.

[lament saffron]

That keyboard was announced 14 months ago and isnt a HE keyboard. Looks cool though

[steady escarp]

the one after founders edition supposedly will be

[safe tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/naw-mike-epps-nah-hell-hellnaw-gif-12618802
Oh. then....

[steady escarp]

but the FE drops in like June

and god knows when itll actually happen or deliver lol

[lament saffron]

They should have waited until this past December to announce instead of December 2022

[steady escarp]

forreal

god its been that long wow

[lament saffron]

People still waiting for an update from these guys too lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7OVagiblPo

[steady escarp]

afaik one of their updates said they have to move the magnet

so its centered under the keycaps now

so it's definitely not going to look as good as it did in the images/videos we have seen so far

[lament saffron]

Which sucks for all of the kickstarter backers

[steady escarp]

yeah and I cant see uupdates

but based on the comments being left on the kickstarter the updates are not too promising

[lament saffron]

Damn just realized its almost been a year since the kickstarter. Time flies

Not a single reviewer in the almost 1yr since launch and no one has seen it, but it's supposed to ship in March? I'll bet that doesnt happen.

[steady escarp]

their latest update mentioned further delays so def wont

[safe tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-popcorn-3d-glasses-stephen-colbert-gif-14209867

All of us, sitting in the wooting bleachers....

[winged birch]

Omni-Point/Lekker/KS-20 (Single Rail V1)
KS-20U (Dual Rail V2)
KS-20T (Closed Bottom Single Rail (Jade Switch))

[not yet compatible]
KS-37 (Single Rail V1)
KS-37B (Dual Rail V2)

KS-20 Orange or White is just the aesthetic of the switch apart from their springs, they have different springs IIRC.

[tawdry fiber]

Has Wooting told us whether or not the 80HE comes with default plastic or will we have the option to upgrade it to an aluminium cover? If not, will we have the same option like 80HE Module similar to the 60HE+?

[jolly tangle]

you will have an option for a darker color zic alloy case. wooting will also release eventually the case dimensions so hopefully other companies also make 3rd party cases without needing to invest into rnd

[safe tundra]

Or I do

[obtuse wagon]

How is that other case coming along?

[safe tundra]

Went and picked up material today.
The plan right now is to get my 60he in a few weeks... Use it for a while and see how I like the angle and form factor.
Then I'll make adjustments to the design and take actual real world measurements. Make sure the model isn't flawed in that respect.
For now I'll just try to get a design that appeals to me aesthetically.

Thanks for asking!

[severe merlin]

What is the Founders Campaign?

[rigid jetty]

I have few questions, I dont know if there is answer about that:

1. How much 80HE will cost?
2. Any 3rd suppliers cases will fit 80HE?
3. Will it be that good as 60HE when it comes to performance?

[severe merlin]

1. IDK
2. IDK
3. Yes

[buoyant solstice]

1. TBA
2. No. There exists no common standard for 75% / TKL or the 80HE.
3. TBA ("better")

[rigid jetty]

point 2 sucks tbf. U have to use original one, or buy from wooting for 100$+, even tho cases from wooting are pretty solid

[buoyant solstice]

Like I said. No standards exist in that rough form factor size.

[jolly tangle]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[verbal solar]

is the founders campaign a donation? or is that when the price is announced

ive never looked into a founders campaign nor have i been apart of one

[midnight iron]

it's just a pre-order type thing

[verbal solar]

ohh

[buoyant solstice]

Our founder campaigns are basically month long pre-order opportunities, where any order placed gets some special benefits.

Such as being the first to receive their products, a colourful decorative role here on Discord and maybe some accessories.

Once the campaign is over, those benefits are no longer available.

[tardy goblet]

Will there be a Nordic ISO layout straight away for pre-order of the 80HE? Or should i bide my time an wait for the nordic layout to drop further in the future?

Apologize if this has been answered before

[verbal solar]

thanks for letting me know

[buoyant solstice]

Same languages as we already offer - or more.

[rigid jetty]

my last question, after preorder, what will be the waiting time approximately at the very start? a month, two, maybe longer?

[buoyant solstice]

We expect to deliver the first batch of boards by June if all goes well.

[rigid jetty]

ouufff

[verbal solar]

Can I install any keycaps on this keyboard or do I need some specific ones?

[midnight iron]

any cherry stem keycaps should work, assuming it's a full set of keycaps (cherry stem is almost all keycaps sold)

[silk quartz]

Are you planning any discounts for existing customers?

[rigid jetty]

60HE members 10% discount, letsgooo

[winged birch]

You wish. 🤣

[rigid jetty]

I wish 😄

[buoyant solstice]

There's a livestream in a couple of hours. You can ask for more detail there. 🙂

Keep an eye on #📣│announcements

[severe merlin]

What is the Founders Campaign?

[buoyant solstice]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[winged birch]

At which time do they normally do it? I always manage to miss it somehow. 🤣

[winged birch]

I thought they did biweekly livestreams on Friday at a set time?

[buoyant solstice]

Guess what. It's a friday and it's that week.

[leaden surge]

Hey if ordered to china aproxx when will it come

[winged birch]

Yeah that’s why I’m asking at what time do they normally do them? Or it’s not a set time?

[buoyant solstice]

However long the checkout system says. 🙂

[leaden surge]

Oh okay, thanks

[buoyant solstice]

Alright - Being sassy and leaving huge hints didn't work. So let's try a straight up answer.

It's usually around 14-15 depending on how well planned the stream is. Which is in... about one to two hours from now.

[leaden surge]

Does the estimate include the shipping time?

[buoyant solstice]

If you select a courier option, it shows that as well.

[leaden surge]

Oh where can i do that?

[buoyant solstice]

And now you see the delivery as well.

[leaden surge]

Oh ok, thank you!

[winged birch]

😂😂😂 Most use “a couple” very broadly and not in its literal term that’s why I asked again. Thanks!

[buoyant solstice]

Naw. That's a different kind of syntax entirely.

[sage reef]

"a couple" = 1.5-3
"a few" = 2.5-4

[winged birch]

people say a couple of hours and then it takes them 4 hours

a couple of, a bit and a few are used interchangeably so often.

[buoyant solstice]

I don't.

In Danish the literal translation for "a couple" is "a pair". Always two, no more, no fewer.

[winged birch]

I know now you don’t. But not many are as literal as you.

[buoyant solstice]

No polygamic numbers here.

[winged birch]

That’s what a couple is supposed to be I think.

[buoyant solstice]

Anyway as Mark said - Stream is probably in about 30mins.

[winged birch]

couple = 2, there’s no couple of 3

[buoyant solstice]

Given Calder's timezone.

[winged birch]

All good, thanks!

[sage reef]

but when you use "a couple" or a "a few" it means you don't know the exact amount normally. otherwise you would say like 2 and 3

[upbeat berry]

german is even funnier in that regard.... the difference is a single letter being uppercase or not... ein Paar = a couple aka 2 and ein paar = a few aka 2-whatever few

[winged birch]

people say a couple of minutes which is like 5-15 minutes most of the time

[sage reef]

Mansen said "a couple" not meaning exactly 2, but about 2

[winged birch]

😂

[tight cypress]

Isn't there a difference between "couple of minutes" and "a couple of minutes"?

[winged birch]

In Dutch “Een paar” is used for literally anything and everything.

[winged birch]

Never have I heard a couple of minutes meaning 2-3 minutes.

But maybe that’s just the people I hang around with? 😂

[upbeat berry]

also keep in mind folks: language is a constantly evolving thing

[buoyant solstice]

Or devolving depending on your take.

[winged birch]

True

[buoyant solstice]

[winged birch]

Also true 😂

[severe merlin]

What switches? Also if not Lekker Linear then how do they compare to the Lekker Linear?