🌟│wooting80he

[winged birch]

It’ll not, from what Jeroen said it won’t matter at all.

[verbal solar]

I want my wooting keyboard doing backflips

[midnight iron]

they said functionality wise it won't

[quaint dune]

We are not sure yet if we can shift the arrow keys, the mold is been done, we are in review to see how to re-tooling the mold (modify) to have this shifted arrow keys.
If retooling is not a option, we need to open new molds.

[midnight iron]

not looks wise which is different

[winged birch]

Yeah I know, if it’s too expensive you shouldn’t.

[midnight iron]

it's possible it might look okay though, since zoom75 uses 1u spacing for the knob module next to a key

[placid whale]

main problem would more likely be time it takes to redo

[midnight iron]

like this looks okay still within the 1u spacing with no gap, so might be okay

[winged birch]

With knob or without knob the arrows would still be misaligned with End and RGB strip so for it to look better with knob is not really a thing.

[winged birch]

Only you guys can predict if it’s worth it or not.

[midnight iron]

it's to do with the spacing of the knob vs the blank space more so than the keys, but I think either might be okay after comparing to the zoom75 knob

[winged birch]

Calder pointed to the cluster of mediakeys when talking about the knob. The knob might replace a switch like someone here suggested.

[midnight iron]

thats possible yeah

[winged birch]

Calder said 3 months but I’m not sure if it’s worth.

[tranquil flame]

One month vs 3 months vs 6

[winged birch]

I for one would gladly wait 3 months to have the arrows aligned.

I think most would.

[torn breach]

what is the current expected date for 80he release? q2 2024?

[tranquil flame]

Ye

[winged birch]

I don’t remember the name but someone here suggested a knob that’d use a switch’s HE sensor which would work.

and was a very smart idea.

[glad fable]

I mean you already got the whole 60HE package so you don't need a 80he unless you NEED it xd

[winged birch]

Not you, most. You are of the few not the most.

[verbal solar]

Make the arrow keys 10% larger and make the other keys 1.4% smaller

[torn breach]

oh crap i forgot that happened LOL

[glad fable]

how did you forget 💀

[torn breach]

my head was filled with the christmas spirit

[viscid owl]

Align the switches so they spell 80HE
That's satisfy no one

[verbal solar]

Christmas spirit?

For next year or something

[magic steppe]

@placid whale could you make a video or pdf (at the beginning of the live I heard you have in plan to make a video) where you explain in details the problems and the reasons of the choices made. Then, cause you said it would take too much to redesign it, give a chance to us to work for it! So maybe we can contribute and fight time and work for a much appreciated solution!

[winged birch]

The comparison with voting that I’ve done a few times now when I was still allowed to post say otherwise.

I tagged you, sorry for that.

[verbal solar]

Ban him

[winged birch]

🥲

I wish you could turn that shit off on mobile man

Auto ping

[verbal solar]

Ban him

And mobile is awesome

[winged birch]

Auto ping isnt

that u have to fuckin click every time

💀💀💀

[verbal solar]

I use discord on my 100” 200k Samsung tv

[winged birch]

Pro

[verbal solar]

The bloodborne creature?

Omg no

Pro tip become a sociopath

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/big-head-throbbing-veins-star-trek-alien-gif-16327782

[verbal solar]

Bigger a better

My toilet Time demands a phone

Texting the virtual people on discord

[winged birch]

Pulling out your laptop to chat in discord is crazy

[verbal solar]

Wasn’t expecting the laptop car setup

[winged birch]

That’s like using your laptop as a phone

Take care!

[verbal solar]

I’m gonna go take a poopie

And ur all coming with me on my phone

[midnight iron]

so when the 80he is delayed for 6 months we know who to blame

it's good that calder has set up a scapegoat for any future issues

[winged birch]

😂😂😂

I don’t mind brother.

[midnight iron]

the question now is where does the knob go

[winged birch]

and if it has huge sales I’ll be on the aesthetic design team of Wooting?

[winged birch]

Calder pointed to the 4 keys.

I assume either there or it’s completely separate.

As in it sits in the positions of a switch.

[midnight iron]

i assume either that home/pg down kind of area if so

[slender crown]

Knob confirmed?

[midnight iron]

yeah, later additional add on

[verbal solar]

Disgusting

[winged birch]

Yeah that’s what I meant with the 4 keys, the 4 keys cluster is where he pointed to when discussing the knob.

[slender crown]

Crazy. How does it mount on and then communicate a signal via 4 switches.

[winged birch]

You need to calm down sir.

[slender crown]

This being discussed live somewhere?

[midnight iron]

it was earlier today in discord stream

[winged birch]

The HE sensors are analog so you can lower/raise a magnet above it.

Someone made a pretty good render

of what a knob could look like as a switch

@ untamedx2’s design.

[slender crown]

Awesome render. Nifty.

[winged birch]

I never leave.

[toxic zephyr]

can anyone summarize what went on in the impromptu stream earlier?

[winged birch]

There will be a YT vid soon that addresses the arrowkey misalignment and more. Calder made it clear that it is still possible to fix the misalignment issue but it’d take some time probably. Kevin said the mold was already made so

It is still possible but not certain that it will or will not happen.

There probably will be a poll.

He also answered other questions about the mysterious “add on”, one being a knob which interacts with the RGB strip.

Overall very informative stream and the video on YT will be up in a couple of days he said.

He also let me post my picture after so long. 😊🥰

There’s also a black switchplate for the 60HE

[torn breach]

does anyone have a screenshot of calder holding up the board

[winged birch]

Already in warehouse

[winged birch]

I recorded the entire stream

Give me a sec

[torn breach]

thank you

[winged birch]

Don’t really have a good picture lmao, I rocorded most of it Picture in Picture -_-

Forehead stays but PCBA has equal bezels on all sides so if the arrows are aligned I’ll try to make a custom case w/o big forehead

The forehead has to be because of the screws he said.

There are many other gasket mounted TKL that are foreheadless and have small equal bezels on all sides so I think it’s def possible

He said it could be smaller but not the same size as other bezels

😂

I don’t think it’ll happen

Custom cases though 🙄

[torn breach]

wait its upside down

[winged birch]

🤣😂

[winged birch]

quick edits 😎

[torn breach]

fixed it

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[sterile walrus]

I don't know that I need an 80 but it looks nicer than I thought initially.

Folks should maybe quit bitching the way they have

[midnight iron]

the renders honestly make it look way more awkward then it looks on product

[verbal solar]

wait what huh how

[torn breach]

you win this time

[midnight iron]

it still looks awkward on the product but that weird 'not quite real' look of the large render they had on the 80he page made it look a bit off

[verbal solar]

i love the keyboard but this picture just makes it look like another generic $20 HP keyboard, im still buying it though

excluding the rgb bar ofc

[winged birch]

When Calder showed it in person, the front and top view looks awkward af.

[midnight iron]

it's cause it's all just renders so far, everything comes off looking cheap plasticky until we get actual product shots

[verbal solar]

yeah obviously i still got high hopes for it

[midnight iron]

i'm not saying it's solved or anything like that. Just that renders dial up the awkwardness even more

especially that one front on shot

[winged birch]

1.1 hours

70min

My discord is bugged out of the wazoo

[torn sable]

Hello everyone! Was seconds away from ordering a 60he, but saw this was about to drop, so here I am! Haha

[winged birch]

It’ll be 6+ or so months before you can get the 80HE on your doorstep so don’t expect to buy it now.

Yes true

EDIT MUCH?

😂😂😂

😌

[torn sable]

Damn, really? Was that the timeline for the previous releases?

[winged birch]

Yes! This month the campaign will start with the timeline.

Of course the timeline is a prediction and not 100% accurate but you can see updates there about the 80HE’s production.

[torn sable]

Hmmm, maybe arrow keys aren’t that important after all 🤔

[winged birch]

It’s personal preference. I like to have arrowkeys and I like symmetry.

[torn sable]

Yea, I feel the same. I’m just trying to think how often I even use arrow keys now lol

[winged birch]

I use them in some games and when typing as well, I use them quite often.

[torn sable]

Yea, I’ll probably just wait on the 80 just to have the arrows rather then not. I do like that the 60 is so smol, but two is too chonk.

[winged birch]

I want a 64% so bad too, I hope they make one after the 80HE.

[torn sable]

What’s that add over the 60? I’ve never really done a deep dive into kb modding or anything other then standard Corsair/cherry combo

[winter coral]

Ah sad, that we missed the stage. That was 3 am for us in Europe.

[coral patrol]

i honestly find it refreshing that it looks like a normal keyboard

so many keyboard builds try to look insanely different, ironically enough looking normal is more unique lololol

[verbal solar]

yeah i feel that, im most definitely buying it

[coral patrol]

same same

really excited

[verbal solar]

being apart of founders campaign gives you the keyboard right? or is it just like a donation

when it starts shipping^

[coral patrol]

p sure the founders campaign is buying the product

[winged birch]

You get the keyboard.

It is not a donation. 🤣

[verbal solar]

i gotta figure out how i get a role since i got a 60he and stuff

[winter coral]

What shall me tell that? Any Recording available?

The saying is not common here. The first reaction of the CEO in this situation is very interesting for us externally.

Ah ok, got it 😅

[queen vigil]

I noticed that taiwanese page on the website lmao

[tranquil void]

tell me ig

but would be very expensive

[rugged pasture]

was anything new teased / leaked last night during Calders live stream for the 80HE? I was a sleep a the time but being trying to keep an eye on this channel for updates.

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-james-pumphrey-donut-media-no-one-knows-none-of-us-knew-gif-21597851

[rugged pasture]

🤣

[winged birch]

A sort of summary of the stream: #🌟│wooting80he message

[rugged pasture]

Amazing thanks.

[winged birch]

Anytime!

[winter coral]

can you upload it or is it prohibited?

[winged birch]

It’s too big

And it’s a scuffed recording as well

most of it was picture in picture cause I wanted to chat and ask questions too. 😂

You can also still view the WootStage chat.

[winter coral]

I would have been interested to see his emotions and expressions directly. Something other than just a summary. But fine

[winged birch]

Yeah I feel you, but hey, there will be a video up on YT soon.

It’ll probably cover everything discussed in the stream.

[winter coral]

Ok, I skimmed the chat. There tended to be more fans and positive expressions. So it went through smoothly.

[winged birch]

It was a warless chat unlike this channel. 😄

[winter coral]

The most important point I took away from this was that the customer groups were not directly included. Some people had suggested this to the team to test early design decisions on the market. I hope this will be done in the future. It's often fatal if you only ever discuss things internally, because you quickly become blind to your own business. In my multi-million projects, I always have different focus groups on board at certain milestones so that it's a product from the customer for the customer.

People who have been under NDA for a long time usually don't help.

They succumb to the same problem: operational blindness

But they are of course an important anchor.

[winged birch]

Yeah I agree, that’s what I said as well. If they end up changing it it’ll cost quite a bit (making a new mold) both time and money wise. I assume that’s something that they will improve on in the future.

[sage reef]

but the addon would make arrow keys seem better tho, if they move, would be too close to addon aso.

[winter coral]

By the way, I'm on holiday at the moment, so I'm here in the chat for once 🙂

[winged birch]

No, Jeroen said it didn’t matter and calder pointed to the 4 key cluster where the knob would sit. Either as one of the 4 keys or as a replacement for all the keys.

[winter coral]

Yes, probably... I like the shifted cluster from top to left more anyway.

[winged birch]

Happy to have you mate!

[sage reef]

"do a poll" with who, with discord terminally online crowd? 🤣

[winged birch]

With Wooting’s customers overall, on their socials.

Most likely will be on Youtube when they upload their video about the 80HE.

[winter coral]

i can still cancel my kickstarter preorder - they should hurry 🙂 hopefully they are quick.

[winged birch]

Calder said a couple days.

[winter coral]

Actually I would go all in with the current setup an focus on "version 2" in 1 year...maybe pivot into smaller 70-75% and optimized 80.

I'm not a customer then, but I think the majority of average customers don't pay attention to that.

A disaster from an entrepreneurial point of view and so you take the experiences of the first year with you. Then you start revising the programme in parallel based on this feedback.

Adapting a product again usually only makes it worse.

[sage reef]

need to first see the addon(s), and only after do poll

[winged birch]

They need to think about it, if they think the more sales will out weight the new mold cost they should make the change, if not they shouldn’t.

[winged birch]

Knob but that’ll be released later on.

[tawdry fiber]

I'm completely new to keyboard modding but I was playing to buy the 60he+ module with the peripherals to build my first ever custom keyboard. However, with news of upcoming 80he, should I wait for this new product or buy the current 60he+ module?

[buoyant solstice]

Up to you - Do you like the idea of having more keys more than the 60HE offer?

[winged birch]

It depends, if you value the F-Row and Arrows you should wait, if you love the 60% then you should get the 60HE.

[winter coral]

With the best will in the world, I really can't imagine a knob in that position. I like it slim and elegant... when I imagine something hanging in that place. but I'll be surprised.

[tranquil void]

the 60HE+ would have more modding options
but the 80HE will have different options and be gasket mounted

[winged birch]

I do too.

[sage reef]

addon won't looks as good if arrows moved, and also more cramped

need to at least see addon concepts first

[winged birch]

You say this as fact when you have no clue in what location the knob will go.

[winter coral]

If I wouldn't do anything to the keyboard (leave it as bought), want to have peace of mind for a long time and have no great demands on shapes, right angles, aesthetics in general...then I would buy the 80HE.

[tawdry fiber]

I would prefer the inclusion of the F-Row and Arrows as I plan to play Valorant & CS2 but also would like the convenience of F-keys for coding. But I'm not sure if 80HE is just 60HE but bigger. If it is a fundamentally different set up, I also lack the knowledge to understand.

[winged birch]

The difference with the 80HE and the 60HE besides layout is that the 80HE is gasket mounted which means better overall sound but no compatibility with third party cases.

[sage reef]

well it should definitely go where the empty space is, makes little sense doing it to the right too much, also since mouse space important

[winged birch]

Also, it’ll take 6 months or more before the 80HE arrives on your doorstep. Just so you know.

[tawdry fiber]

Haha, that's okay since pre-ordering the 60HE build is not available until March 0_0

[sage reef]

big part of reason why arrows are like that I bet is because of that addon, so we need to see it first

[winged birch]

As I said previously, in the stream Calder pointed to the Home, Page Up, End and Page Down key cluster when describing the knob. Which would mean it’d be in that location maybe making use of a lekker switch.

[sage reef]

why would be point there and not on Pause button tho, that's the only spot really for it

[winged birch]

You can read the chat still, Jeroen said that it did not matter for the add on if the arrows were aligned.

[tawdry fiber]

What is this "add-on" that we speak of?

[winter coral]

Supply chains are still very tense. In the company where I work, we still haven't optimized 100% since corona. Now that there are problems in the Red Sea again and the ships are taking detours, everything is taking longer again anyway. It's just constantly escalating and you have to deal with the interactions in logistics. You can easily have delays of 1-3 months.

[sage reef]

so you're saying my addon idea is actually much better than what they did

[winged birch]

If I were you, I’d wait a couple days. Wooting will upload a video about the 80HE and the campaign will start soon after which means more info about the 80HE. I’d make your decision then.

[winged birch]

It’s a knob which will be released later. Not sure if there will be info on it during the campaign or after that. How I understand it is that it’s a separate product that only the 80HE can use but I’m not 100% sure.

[sage reef]

keys must still not move. like I said before because of many other reasons

[winged birch]

I like the knob idea very much and would rather take a knob with aligned arrow keys than your idea, however I didn’t dislike yours either.

As I said, your idea made more sense as a reason for the arrows to be misaligned.

[sage reef]

but you said he pointed in wrong area tho, only real and good place for a knob-key is where Pause key is. so idk, maybe pointed not exactly, or you saw it wrong

[tawdry fiber]

Hm, separate-product eh? Implying that it isn't built into the 80HE itself but rather a facilitating accessory that we can buy as an add-on. But I've never heard of a knob that is disjoint from the keyboard. I'm thinking of this kind of knob in mind.

[winged birch]

Thing is; Wooting needs strong product(s) for 2024 as the market will be very competitive and not the slow cruise the 60HE was launched in. So that is what I hope the 80HE to be.

[winged birch]

Yes, it is not built into the 80HE. Something like that knob I’d assume as well.

[winged birch]

You wait a couple days, more info will be available soon.

[tawdry fiber]

How would that work? Bluetooth? Like turning the knob will activate certain features like the iPhone 15 with their side button?

[winged birch]

Not bluetooth, I believe it attaches and interacts directly with the keyboard. Calder said it’d use the RGB strip as well to show Actuation point or volume, etc.

[tawdry fiber]

Haha, sorry I'm a bit too stupid to understand. May you dumb it down a little bit for me?

[winged birch]

untamedx2 made an interesting suggestion:

[winter coral]

I understand, but when the water is already so deep, it's difficult to get out. It's better to take a step back and start again. Gasket, daughterboard....something you don't have to reinvent so that you can pick up speed.
Don't burden the design and development team with the current bad decisions. The motivation there is probably no longer the best anyway...after Corona everyone is probably a bit burnt out anyway. Open up investment and thoughts for a V2 or even a split into two product lines. The merger of Minimal 75% and TKL has not been easy and I would reject it if it were my company.

[sage reef]

but issue with that is that it would already be on the preview image on kb aso. why would they not include this switch and knob in the announcement and hype aso.

[winged birch]

This would use the 80HE hall effect sensor as a way to measure knob position but it’s just speculation of course.

[winter coral]

It is difficult to predict whether there is a hub on the side for the connection, or whether a semi-conductor is under the surface and measures the magnetic positions of the potentiometer.

[winged birch]

That’s why I had expected a TKL. Something known to sell that everyone wanted.

[sage reef]

well I guess they might have not included it because first need to appeal to formal users

[winged birch]

I believe as it is not finished yet.

[tawdry fiber]

I think the massive success WOOT saw with their first 60HE is very much because the founders themselves were passionate and enthusiastic seeking to build something that they personally think is importantly unique to them. Of course, with that success came the additional burden of being as innovative as their first big-hit but if they continue to do what they believe is the best and continue to listen to feedback from the community, I think their product will blow the competition out of the water. No need to worry about if 80HE is just as if not better than 60HE: the score will take care of itself.

[midnight iron]

they said it was their mistake to show the keyboard so early before they could show the rest to go with it

particularly with the layout photo giant on the 80he site at first

[sage reef]

ok, so I hope they won't do a poll before we see everything too

[midnight iron]

i care more about f row and tilde key personally

having to rebind my esc to mimic tilde was annoying

[winged birch]

Humans tend to dislike non symmetrical designs that aren’t abstract in nature.

[tawdry fiber]

They much rather prefer being 🐒 and watching Subway Surfway in tandem with the 80HE promotion.

[winged birch]

Because it is unknown and most would find it unusable.

[sage reef]

but there is still that compartment mystery though, seems like it wouldn't exist if there was nothing there

[sudden tiger]

TKL when @everyone

[midnight iron]

yeah maybe don't ping everyone

[lucid karma]

Please don’t try to ping everyone - it’s not gonna work anyways

[winter coral]

What surprises me most is this stubborn and docmatic holding of the right Shift key. It ruins so many elegant designs. It's such an extreme burden on the design and ergonomics team. They should really go into medias res again.

for future products

[subtle schooner]

Hi there, I have a rather specific question about the upcoming keyboard, hopefully someone knows this. According to rtings.com the 60HE makes 10Dba less noise than a Two HE, apperently due to some noise dampening inserts. Will the 80HE be as quiet as the 60, or the Two?

[winged birch]

I thought so as well but a shocking amount of people use it actively.

[midnight iron]

they said they'd consider dropping the keycap compatibility thing in the future since it may not be feasible to always hold onto that while giving people the layouts they want

[nova nexus]

Roughly speaking, yes. The keyboard is more compact vertically and therefore has less hollow space to echo

[winged birch]

Most likely more quiet as the 80HE is gasket mounted.

[supple bloom]

is there gonna be bottom pcb rgb for the translucent case?

[lucid karma]

Tbh I kinda don’t like too much empty space on tkl meanwhile 75 seems too populated 80% is a nice middle ground imo

[subtle schooner]

Lovely, I was holding off on the two HE due to the higher dba, so that's wonderfull news, thanks!

[winged birch]

I don’t think so but it is an interesting idea.

[midnight iron]

they said translucent case was in the works

[winter coral]

At least that reassures me that they want to open up and adapt. Thanks for the information.

[supple bloom]

i thought its a finished idea based on stream

[buoyant solstice]

Change the Discord ping sound to the Garand.

[midnight iron]

calder said he's deciding if it will be a permanent thing or just founders campaign option

[supple bloom]

definitely founder exclusive 🙏

[winter coral]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1186265045227802714/1192200186475315232/layouts-800x450.png?ex=65a835f2&is=6595c0f2&hm=70018327061884ff2d27c18fe3a61d39092df58680bd5b46b419168e82fbb660&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=916&height=515

[sage reef]

@winged birch you said also like there will be more than one addon right, so that knob might not be the only one

[winter coral]

that is another middle ground

[weary knoll]

but color surface wont be as smooth as anodizing

[winged birch]

No, I said add on(s) because I do not know if the knob is the only one.

[winter coral]

I need F-row

[weary knoll]

die cast zinc alloy

i wiuld expect smoothness like spray coat

[winged birch]

It will be.

[weary knoll]

rought but hey it is color at the end of the day

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/spell-professor-eulalie-hicks-fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore-using-magic-casting-spell-gif-25039783

[midnight iron]

Yep end of the day calder said it was pretty much what was expected to be the most reasonable reason for 'why did you pick this layout'. They just didn't think the 75 vs tkl layout would matter this much to people and thought the arrow and f keys functionality would be enough to please most

[winged birch]

The zinc alloy case will remain, they are not dropping the zinc alloy case.

[weary knoll]

new mold

$$$$$

[winged birch]

You have a problem. 🤣

[midnight iron]

the conspiracy theories that they were trying to force their own layout for money and such were a bit silly

[tranquil void]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-skibiditoilet-gif-7150341904622937028

[winged birch]

V begs to differ 😂

[midnight iron]

? when did v say that

[winged birch]

😉

[sage reef]

many aesthetic and maybe even addon issues if arrows move, biggest ones being it would seem even more misaligned, would be too formal and boring and there would be big space between left arrow and ctrl

[midnight iron]

i don't think he ever said that as far as I know

[winter coral]

These two user groups exist for a reason. Always the problem when you want to combine two threads. You have to have a really good product to achieve this. It's a bit surprising to me that they are "surprised" by this.

[winged birch]

Brother man, Jeroen said it wouldn’t matter.

[winter coral]

yeah thats stupid.

[midnight iron]

reasoning was basically they were so busy with developing the different things and looking at the final product with knob etc that it just was something they missed that people would care this much

calder said they'd look at it and decide based on how doable it is and how it looks

since they'd have to redo molds and such

[winged birch]

“More misaligned” do you understand the concept of symmetry, symmetry can be achieved in every dimension. The layout as it is now is symmetrical in one dimension where as my proposition is symmetrical in two dimensions. This is fact.

[midnight iron]

personally I don't mind which they pick if it does look good when the knob is added

[winter coral]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[midnight iron]

if the weird arrow layout does look good with the knob then I'm fine even if it doesn't move. Long as it doesn't look wonky anymore

[golden wasp]

anything new from last week?

[midnight iron]

yeah knob add-on (plus other potential add ons) leaked, and there will be a video explaining for people who missed livestream

[winged birch]

A sort of summary of the stream: #🌟│wooting80he message

[sage reef]

@winged birch see, other potential add ons

[winged birch]

?

[golden wasp]

thanks !

[winged birch]

yw

[winter coral]

The two retaining lines on the side may have been added so that you can slide it in there. Absolutely OEM style for me. I can't wait to see what the zinc housing looks like.

omg, that's right. Awesome mental bridge.,

and everyone bought the Pro controller because the handheld was terrible 😉

[sage reef]

but I also don't get why "moving arrows" is the only option, when this option of moving the 6 top keys instead is better.
so I this the Poll should include this option too

[dreamy hound]

so,price

[winged birch]

Because there is no separation between the keys here. They wanted exploded, not compact like a 75%.

[dreamy hound]

💳

[winged birch]

All Calder said was that the guesses were pretty close. The actual official price is not revealed yet though.

[sage reef]

the Del (End) key is overwhelmingly the most used one, and it has space below it to easily recognize it. no other big issues with it, still hard to misclick them when pressing like enter/backslash

[golden wasp]

did those who participated in the previous campaign receive anything extra? because I think I heard about extra

[winged birch]

Either Calder or Kevin wanted the exploded design over compact for aesthetics I presume.

[winged birch]

Also if the knob would sit in that position I’d be very awkward to turn with those keys right next to it. 😅

Did people actually receive the leather strap, I remember they wanted real leather at first but then went with vegan leather instead which took a while longer.

Yes, and for the other editions you could get your name on the PCBA.

[tranquil void]

No. Real leather

[winged birch]

No, but maybe I didn’t want it.

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[golden wasp]

send a picture

[midnight iron]

the tl;dr from the livestream is:

• 1: confirmed there will be a knob and other potential addons that fit onto the board that make the final layout look nicer
• 2: they never meant to pick a unique layout just to innovate or get money for cases, it was just an oversight since they were focused on f key + arrow key functionality while looking at the finished model (with knob included). They didn't realize how important matching 75/tkl layout would be to people
• 3: they will look into moving the arrow key a tiny bit right to align with the rows above, but only if it's doable without costing too much/making crazy delays
• 4: they admitted it was a bit of a mistake to show the layout so early before having more info explaining knob and future functionality and they will have more info next time
• 5: some pricing guesses in the discord were pretty close to what they're estimating
• 6: they're open to dropping the 'keycap compatibility' requirement in the future for certain layouts
• 7: they will be moving delete key to the default photo because a lot of people don't realize you can just swap in the delete key

[winged birch]

Was there not a whole fuss about it?

[midnight iron]

not sure if I missed anything else

[tranquil void]

No.

[winged birch]

Did you have to opt in on something?

[buoyant solstice]

Oppposite.

[winged birch]

Based.

[sage reef]

7: they will be moving delete key to the default photo because a lot of people don't realize you can just swap in the delete key

[sage reef]

6: they're open to dropping the 'keycap compatibility' requirement in the future for certain layouts
but there is really no point in this tho, they should never make a compact 75%, it's just whatever, not needed

it looks fine with full too

[winged birch]

Not at all, F12 forms a 3 wide row with keys that have nothing to do with it.

[midnight iron]

I'm sure all of this depends on how things go with 80he and if that many people are still requesting a 75% once they've seen the final product. They could look at it as a future iteration or similar

[winged birch]

Wooting should make whatever they can sell well.

That is the only right take.

It’s a business after all.

and I’d like to see that business thrive.

[sage reef]

75% is really unnecessary product. 75% should be used as a traveling keyboard, when you just need to fit it more nicely into some bag and carry with you, wirelessly too
it's really "unusable" for stationary use
and there is a bunch for 75% options already, just not needed

[midnight iron]

yeah but it doesn't matter if functionally it's needed or not. If a lot of people just prefer it, then it is what it is

[winged birch]

He speaks for everyone.

[winged birch]

Most agree with this.

Again?

[sage reef]

60HE is more usable than compact 75%
because you still have easily clickable F, arrows and Del keys

[winged birch]

Who is hungry?

[winged birch]

??????

[buoyant solstice]

I wasn't aware that adding more keys and removing none would result in a worse experience.

[tight cliff]

Never owned a TKL and still think they look ugly this 80HE looks nicer with less wasted space

[tranquil void]

TKL is a wasteful layout

[winged birch]

I feel like Mana has huge fingers, too big to press only 1 key without pressing all keys adjacent to that key.

[tranquil void]

the chin oh mah gahhh

[sage reef]

because on 60HE keys are closer together, and it's much easier to click Fn + number for F keys, no need to check keyboard often, as you would with compact 75%. same thing with Del key and no big issues with arrows

[buoyant solstice]

[midnight iron]

somehow I don't think your experience represents everyone else mana

[winged birch]

I don’t comprehend this.

[buoyant solstice]

I am pretty sure that the 60% portion is left intact.

[winter coral]

I find your statements really hard to follow and I don't find them logical. I see it completely differently and the variety of products in this segment confirms the demand from the markets. And as always: there is no wooting (software+quality) in this segment.

[buoyant solstice]

Save for one modifier key next to the arrow keys (oh woe)

[winged birch]

You don’t understand, if there are keys around the 60% area the 60% area will be hard to press.

Simple.

[sage reef]

for productivity, less misclick/less looking at kb confirming what you're pressing, 60HE is better than compact 75%, and 80HE is of course even better than 60HE.

[winged birch]

I agree, if you have 75% you misclick a lot more than if you had the 60%. More keys = More misclicks. HOLY MANA SMART.

He is cooking!!

[tranquil void]

watch me become possessive of you

[winter coral]

And if wooting doesn't yet want to pursue the completely exploded 75% formats...this format is still less available on the market and looks better anyway. Sorry for repeating the picture.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1186265045227802714/1192007860004061205/image.png?ex=65a782d4&is=65950dd4&hm=5cdd7976b6dee25d745b8434f227a63e0347421bd1031ffb7f7535d81086ea98&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=995&height=616

[midnight iron]

that's the goated 75 layout

[winter coral]

Best in my opinion. Fits to their 60HE line

[winged birch]

That thumb enter is pretty sick, I want that.

[winter coral]

you're exaggerating - for me it was meant seriously, you're making a mockery of it.

@lament heron

[sage reef]

next product from wooting could instead be like a "LEGO PCB", like fully movable, replaceable small sections in a PCB

[winged birch]

That’s a big challenge to make real.

[buoyant solstice]

V using their Moonlander, probably

[winged birch]

The combination is criminal and beautiful at the same time.

[abstract vale]

"a lot of people don't realize you can just swap in the delete key"

It's like, if you by default swapped the WASD and arrow keys, and then when people say "that's stupid, don't do that," and you say "it can just be rebound." Stop it, it was just a bad choice.

[buoyant solstice]

Is it really? Two of the home cluster keys are not there, physically or bound. But you get all of the keycaps to pick which two that is, and you can move the keybinds around to match.

[sage reef]

so instead of PCB would be called MCB, Modular Circuit Board

[abstract vale]

Well, why not just randomly swap keys around for the defaults in that case, just provide the keycaps and ability to rebind...

[sage reef]

in steps of 0.25u I guess

[winged birch]

You can’t swap keys randomly, they need to be from the same row so they have the same angle.

[buoyant solstice]

That's... literally what the 80HE is? 😄

Well except for the randomness. That'd be a pain to do and achieve nothing.

[abstract vale]

It's not a huge issue, but yeah, BP bumping out Del as a default is odd in a similar (but less extreme) way that swapping arrow and WASD around but providing users the ability to switch them back would be.

No need to get defensive over it, just correct and move on.

[buoyant solstice]

No one's getting defensive. Just confused as to why you seem to be missing that I'm telling you that very thing is there 😄

[abstract vale]

It's more the defensiveness than the original blunders that are leaving a bad taste in my mouth tbh.

[buoyant solstice]

You get all six keycaps, you have complete control over which go where and what is bound in software. 🙂

[winged birch]

Kinda true. Low profile 75%s: 🙄

[silk hedge]

Bruh not the cardboard mouse

It looks so ugly

[winged birch]

He’d buy a massless mouse and still find it too heavy.

[silk hedge]

Aerogel mouse when?

[winged birch]

Hahaha

[winged birch]

You remember that mouse with helium or some shit. I think it was hyperx april fools

roccat yeah

funny af

[silk hedge]

Damn bro knows his stuff

Aerogel mouse would be like 5 grams

[winged birch]

It’d still need pcba and shit

but it’d be light af yeah

but aerogel is soo fragile

wouldn’t work

“a net 0-gram weight.”

Funniest part, so many people thought it was a good idea and that it would work. 🤣

[tranquil void]

depends

[winged birch]

That thin, most def. Unless there’s something I do not know about.

[silk hedge]

Literally mars rover technology for a gaming mouse

[tranquil void]

aerogel isn't one thing

[winged birch]

Roccat was good

Mad Catz was the best

Hands down.

[sage reef]

HE nice

[winged birch]

their mice were so good

[sage reef]

but just do magnetic mouse pad + hovering mouse then

[winged birch]

the most innovative mice company of its time

[tranquil void]

wow so fragile

It depends on how the aerogel was made and what serves as the base material

[winged birch]

go make a mouse out of aerogel

[buoyant solstice]

It all depends on how pressure is applied. Just look at glass. Super strong until a tiny scratch is in the wrong place and it loses the entire structure.

[tranquil void]

yes
and if designed properly it can be strong

you design the geometry, internal structure etc for use case

[tranquil void]

not saying I would do it

[winged birch]

ofc but I’d be the only one

[sage reef]

levitating magnetic mouse

[tranquil void]

This kinda counts as a fallacy

I simply objected to your point of aerogel being fragile

But it would theoretically be possible
Just expensive

[winged birch]

It is fragile, you give an example of only compression when we’re talking about an aerogel mouse.

[tranquil void]

you don't even read what I say do you

Paper to most people wouldn't be classed as a strong material, however

[sage reef]

but I bet that mouse needs a wrist rest tho, since it can't hold the whole arm/hand up by itself

[tranquil void]

again, depends.
It likely will be fine

But if youve never done anything material science

[winged birch]

It’s not a mouse you can move like a normal mouse if it’s held up like that with magnets.

[tranquil void]

the magnet levitation mouse yea

Very impractical tbh

No friction to keep it in place,
your arm won't stay in one spot

you'll have stick drift but on a mouse

[winged birch]

Make one, sell it for 10K

[sage reef]

just do low sensitivity + acceleration tho

[tranquil void]

What did I just explain to you.

[winged birch]

I can’t believe these takes honestly.

[tranquil void]

Stop thinking inside the box

Outside the box is where it's at in engineering

[sage reef]

of course it's gonna be not great, but maybe solvable still somehow, like clicking the mouse buttons would move mouse, so need to solve this

[tranquil void]

The only thing stopping the aerogel mouse is how expensive it is to produce and work with

The base material for the aerogel changes a lot of the material properties of the aerogel

[winter coral]

Channel Tech-talk

Hard to catch up will all this Noise

[winged birch]

Do you comprehend what I said? I said aerogel is fragile which means it wouldn’t work for a mouse, a mouse has thin pieces, need hold a pcba and sensor in place. Aerogel does not work like that, you can’t shape it like you would a metal.

[winged birch]

It’s just yapping, no need to catch up.

You’d lose braincells from reading alone.

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-higa-nigahiga-essay-incoming-gif-25057663

[tranquil void]

whatever you want. a mouse has a few thin pieces but some parts won't be made of aerogel. Try making an aerogel sensor.

But you don't need thin pieces to make a light mouse if the material is light.
You could fill in all unused space to gain strength for instance

[tranquil void]

You're insufferable to be around. Goodbye

[winged birch]

Nothing you didn’t already know, take care!

[queen vigil]

tf is this arguing lmao

getting annoyed over a theoretical discussion is insane I have to say

[verbal solar]

this has actually become the new general

that is wild

it's active more than general

[winged birch]

Some disagree to disagree. 🤷‍♂️

[buoyant solstice]

Folks people try and be respectful to each other. All of this arguing is helping no one.

[queen vigil]

time to shave a mouse shape out of aerogel and put a pcb and sensor inside it

easy pz

[winged birch]

Yes!

[verbal solar]

@verbal solar i love you, you are the light at the end of the tunnel for me

[winged birch]

who exactly?

[verbal solar]

the person i pinged

[winged birch]

you pinged two

[verbal solar]

oh right i forgot to turn off reply pings

even tho for me its a permanent switch

whoops

well both of them then, fuck it

[winged birch]

https://tenor.com/view/bongocat-banhammer-ban-hammer-bongo-gif-18219363

[verbal solar]

@winged birch love yourself NOW

[winged birch]

why would I love myself if you already do it for me? 😉

[verbal solar]

🗿

[spark hound]

Wat

[verbal solar]

that's fine

[silk hedge]

Sooo...

No more holiday server picture

Waiting for some more info

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-call-off-christmas-gif-19695485

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/nightmare-before-christmas-gif-10145878

[winter coral]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-wahlberg-crickets-crickets-chirping-silence-awkward-silence-gif-10849163

[winged birch]

If not:

https://tenor.com/view/1917-explosion-running-war-movie-gif-18770469

Then:

https://tenor.com/view/dead-channel-youtube-gif-25811185

[humble cargo]

cmon folks 80HE hype

[tawny flame]

Will we get the 80HE before year end? odds?

[winged birch]

“before year end”

It is January the 4th, so yes.

We will get the 80HE before the 31st of December 2024.

[humble cargo]

am guessing it'll ship towards late spring/summer sometime

[winter coral]

😅

[steady escarp]

I think they said q2 already

for when shipping will likely start

[humble cargo]

won't be too bad unless they've already produced a ton of 80HE's that's sitting

[ancient breach]

The mold has already been made those are costs at least.

[humble cargo]

do we know for sure its a real prototype and not just a render

[weary knoll]

mold made

did they show prototype of zinc alloy caseM

i dont remember

[verbal solar]

Talk to me once charmin replied to u guys 🥱

[winter coral]

11 hours left to cancel my kickstarter participation for Q1 HE. Video is not coming tonight, is it?

[midnight iron]

they said a few days in livestream. We can kind of already mostly guess what the 80he might look like though

since they confirmed the knob thing, there's only a few spots the knob would go

[winter coral]

yeah sure...hoped for a render

in the new video

worth waiting or not.

[midnight iron]

that is the big issue with kickstarters though lol

[jolly tangle]

sno u were there right

[winter coral]

I know 🙂

[midnight iron]

no refunds ever

[jolly tangle]

yesterday

[midnight iron]

yeah

[winter coral]

If a project is still live, you can cancel your pledge before it ends.

[jolly tangle]

what did you think of the livestream? anything good or bad?

[midnight iron]

good. Honestly it confirmed most of my guesses about why layout stuff was the way it is

[jolly tangle]

I was suprised how much effort goes making in the gasking mount stuff. to make it good

[winter coral]

Even if the product doesn't bring overall success in the end...it definitely helps for the next project. The experience was valuable.

[jolly tangle]

I fail to see how it wont bring succes. if they wanted to offer a 65 75 and tkl. they could have done it all 3 by now. they just want to bring 1 good keyboard that blows the competition out of the water

[midnight iron]

it's going to sell like hotcakes honestly. I know a bunch of friends already waiting to preorder

even if some people don't buy it due to the layout drama stuff, there's still a large amount that will and don't care enough to not buy a wooting with f row keys

[winter coral]

Time will tell - they definitely have a tailwind from the 60HE.

[jolly tangle]

language barrier is a real thing

[dense ridge]

@jolly tangleare u from india?

[ancient breach]

Also, Europeans seem to be the most vocally opinionated about these things in general.

[jolly tangle]

no im not from india

[midnight iron]

i'm just glad the knob thing is confirmed even though we semi guessed it before. I was going to buy it anyway for f keys, but if layout looks prettier with the knob that's better

assuming launch video can showcase what it looks like with knob I think a lot of the layout people won't care much anymore

there's a diehard crowd of 'must be 75/tkl' but i would guess a majority of them are just 'eh looks uneven so i don't like it'

so knob would change their mind

[jolly tangle]

those people always complain but buy it anyways in the end

[winter coral]

I am european and put q1 in basket after reveal

[midnight iron]

i'm still super skeptical of the q1 and booq75

meletrix took so long to make their wireless 2.4g work with less lag, much less relying on them for gaming latency changes

[hexed dawn]

I'm considering the Q1 but will surely wait for a preassembled ISO version or buy it used

[midnight iron]

i remember for like months after zoom75 was released no one could use the 2.4hz dongle properly

[winter coral]

i've already said several times that i'm also unsure. but the design simply put me off completely.

[midnight iron]

then they finally updated it recently

[winter coral]

yeah you get the switches and caps in one delivery with backbone, when you pledge now.

they just dont assemble it for you in kickstarter

[winged birch]

Calder pointed to the Home, Page Up, End and Page Down cluster when talking about the knob so it’ll likely be in that position. Maybe switched out for one of the keys or all four of them.

[hexed dawn]

my neanderthal brain hasn't completely acclimated to companies with complete product lineups asking for crowdfunding. that, plus I never adopt early lel

[winged birch]

Crowdfunding is a good way to see how many will sell. I don’t think Wooting necessarily needs crowdfunding for the 80HE as the 60HE did fantastic.

[ancient breach]

As much as I hate to say it if you care enough to complain you are more likely to care enough to buy.
I have just been here long enough to start caring.
Generally though F-row spacing does not bother me, not having at least 5 keys on the nav cluster sort of bothers me.
Probably won't buy it on account of price and the detractors making it a side grade to my existing keyboard.

[hexed dawn]

bloody wars, this thing keeps climbing

[winged birch]

I reside in this channel and I do not sleep.

[humble cargo]

who willingly spends wooting money on a board with QMK

disgusting

[winged birch]

There’s no grass in this channel sadly so that won’t be an option, but thanks for your suggestion!

[jolly tangle]

silly keypad

[humble cargo]

I expected more from keychron than lazily relying on QMK

[winged birch]

Hey there, calm down please. No need for a warzone again.

[winter coral]

I'm here to leave customer impressions so that future products will be more awesome.

[ancient breach]

Not gonna lie kind of didn't have a burst of osu! after I got mine, just use it as an expensive figid toy

[jolly tangle]

what about the f row?

[winged birch]

I mean every keyboard is an expensive fidget toy if you think about it

[ancient breach]

I am also used to the F-row on laptops, spacing seems easy to adjust to.

[ancient breach]

It's not a type when you use it to shitpost

[jolly tangle]

neither is a typical keyboard

[midnight iron]

honestly a lot less than their group buys

like the qk group buys and zoom75 group buys go nuts, but because HE is a smaller portion of their userbase it's actually a lot less than normal

[jolly tangle]

[winged birch]

Not the only, but I don’t mind it as much as you know what. But it’s odd, they wanted exploded but not that exploded?

[ancient breach]

On the plus side it at least has an extra key there you can remap to something more useful than mode switch, so there is that.

[winged birch]

Compactly exploded.

[midnight iron]

the zoom75 group buy for example hit 10k orders at like $2.3 million or whatever value it was before the timer even expired and they had to end the group buy early to meet orders in time

[jolly tangle]

ooh I didnt know that

[ancient breach]

Wooting one for example has f1 above 2

just to name a random TKL

[jolly tangle]

I wonder if the real thing is any different

[winged birch]

It’s normal for all TKLs, Mode there is new.

[ancient breach]

I still can't get ver your choice of keycaps

[humble cargo]

well TKL is identical to fullsize apart from no numpad so not that strange

[ancient breach]

I have used a wooden space bar for somet time, quite nice to some extend.

Should actually move it to work.

[tawny flame]

I mean vote with your wallet. Don't buy this and wait for them to make a TKL. Or buy Razer. Their Rapidtrigger is the same as wooting these days

[humble cargo]

its not tho

razer still stuck on optical

[tight cliff]

Razer software, ew 😂

[ancient breach]

It's an exploded 75% not tkl as I would categorize it but I would not expect a true tkl anytime soon if at all.

[humble cargo]

also why would I want a lame ass tkl

[jolly tangle]

man is really saying in a wooting server buy a razer

[midnight iron]

i'm confused who is boris even talking to

[tawny flame]

You mean one of the most popular sizes? You're delusional

[ancient breach]

TKL is a good layout, it offers all the keys you want if you don't use a numpad, without relearning keybindings or any real compromises.
Boring sure but generally a good layout.

[midnight iron]

it's like he just suddenly came in here to yell that out to everyone lol

[humble cargo]

is that why its getting abandoned now

[jolly tangle]

hey stay nice

[humble cargo]

you barely see any new tkl's get released, most have moved on to stuff like 75% or 60%

[winged birch]

For a keyboard yes, for a gaming keyboard I think TKL was more popularly. Or at least the sales from newegg.

[silk hedge]

Tkl is a boomer wastefull ulgy ass design

[tawny flame]

I said one of the most... and they already have a fullsize. People asking for TKL everyday

[winter coral]

very nice expression. i support the idea behind it.

[winged birch]

It holds up still.

[midnight iron]

i will accept tkl if they put a wooting inside the owlabs vento tkl

[humble cargo]

nobody wanted the tkl when wooting made the original wooting one and two

[winged birch]

Did the 2HE sell more or the 60HE?

[winter coral]

QK75N in Wooting. Dreams would come true

[winged birch]

True

[midnight iron]

just go full premium if you want that layout. Get it inside a mode sonnet with copper add ons

[winged birch]

Since Wooting made the Two everyone asked for TKL. Nobody wanted the Wooting One TKL as it wasn’t competitive.

[humble cargo]

the two was sold in parallel with the one though

and everyone bought the two

this was before the two HE

[winged birch]

Oh, you meant the Two not Two HE.

[silk hedge]

I trust wooting with the 80he they wouldnt have chosen this design if it wasnt worth it

[humble cargo]

yep, the one never received the HE treatment due to poor sales

[winter coral]

Money isn't the problem - I want the software behind it... that's why I'm here, to try and give people like me at wooting a hearing that there are good 75% designs out there that aren't so strongly represented yet.

[ancient breach]

In terms of some generalized sales, just going to a dutch site looking at the top 10 most viewed mech keyboards.
First is a logitech compact 75%, after that 3 full size ones, then a tkl another 4 full sized ones and another tkl. Doesn ot seem like tkl in general is that unpopular.

[midnight iron]

yeah i mean wooting in the mode sonnet

[humble cargo]

instead they put their money into the 60HE and it sold like hotcakes

[winged birch]

I think it’s just because it wasn’t HE yet. Same could be said for the Two HE, why isn’t that the most popular? 60% is not more popular than 100% in general but for Wooting it is.

[midnight iron]

if they are going to collab and put it in the q75n, then the mode sonnet would be the endgame version of a wooting x 75% collab

[humble cargo]

well neither of them were HE at first, and the fullsize vastly outsold the TKL in that instance

might be different today but seeing how the market looks for TKL now I have my doubts

[winged birch]

Yeah exactly, and the moment it went HE the smaller formfactor (when released) outsold the 100% massively.

[humble cargo]

yeah because 60% is actually properly smaller

TKL is not, its very wasteful in space taken

[winged birch]

My point being; TKL will likely sell a lot more than the 100%.

[humble cargo]

most people seems to think the same as this since new TKL releases are in decline

[winged birch]

Just because of Wooting’s features and their competitive nature.

[verbal solar]

to be or not to be

[winged birch]

I think so.

[winter coral]

would be a direct purchase for me without thinking about it. i would have it for a few years and would easily be prepared to pay 500 euros.

[humble cargo]

60% and 75% is kinda where the hotspot is now for people interested in these things

[winged birch]

Hmm, you think a revamped 100% will outsell the 80HE and or a TKL?

[ancient breach]

Whatever you think about tkl doesn't change that the 80he is barely smaller closer to tkl than compact 75% at least. inbetween the a bit wider 75%'s and tkl.
In that context I feel like it's just a odd spot with limited use.

[sage reef]

people buy 100% more cause they're just used to it, without thinking about it. when they see TKL: wth is this, I need the full keyboard size I have, that's like more keyboard

[winged birch]

seek help

[humble cargo]

yeah the bulk is kinda what kills it for me, I wouldn't mind an f-row and arrow keys but its just too big vs a 60%

[dense ridge]

@lament heron if they change the placment of arrow keys that 80% will be almost as regular TKL.. so it can still be popular

[humble cargo]

may as well go back to fullsize in my case

[ancient breach]

That was always my main point, either go down to something smaller or take the small step up to tkl

[winged birch]

Most people hate the numpad.

[sage reef]

if they change key placement it might sell a bit more, but will be much lamer, exactly what we talk about, most people buy lame things like full size instead of tkl

[winged birch]

I don’t see a world where Wooting’s keyboard with numpad could be more popular than theirs without.

[humble cargo]

TKL is even lamer than fullsize imo, its barely any smaller but lacks a bunch of keys

[tight cliff]

https://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/CMStorm-FullKB-Lights.jpg Had one of these kinda keebs waay back but went from this to 75% -> 60%

[humble cargo]

I'd like to see more layouts like this

[silk hedge]

What is that fn key

[ancient breach]

I will say that for mouse movement tkl is definitely more comfortable and don't use the numpad anyway.
That's what I always liked about tkl, pretty much no hassle all the functionality I actually use.

[winged birch]

You need to understand that Wooting is not your average keyboard brand, most Wooting customers buy their keyboard to compete as it’s offers the best of the best.

[humble cargo]

with hybrid numpad/arrow cluster/nav cluster

[sage reef]

it doesn't lack bunch of keys, those keys are only useful in very rare cases, most gaming and casual people don't use them ever

[humble cargo]

but its still a bulky and dated layout

[tight cliff]

It just works and it's compact

[ancient breach]

Wooting also moved in the keyboard market, to general consumers who wanted to try the analog to the keyboard entheusiast crowd.

The move in pricing also kind of reflects that.

[jolly tangle]

people were really happy about you today

[ancient breach]

Full size is a more common size among the mainstream somewhat distantly followed by tkl

[humble cargo]

yeah I saw it a while back and thought it was brilliant, really puzzles me as to why it hasn't caught on

[winged birch]

True but that’s only a tiny portion of all consumers.

[tight cliff]

A compact southpaw would probably be the best

[humble cargo]

beats any TKL layout I've seen ez

[hexed dawn]

fuck it
wooting game controller NOW

[silk hedge]

Wooting fightstick

[winged birch]

Wooting Wireless = 🎮

😉

[tight cliff]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/4e/a4/3b4ea4ed4d47e3203d4b02245541b56c.jpg This

[ancient breach]

Anyway I'll probably stick to my wooting one for a couple of more years, it still does what I want, I have plenty of spare switches and I like the form-factor.

[silk hedge]

Nah

[ancient breach]

That keyboard is weird, why would you not have an f-row at least at that point

[humble cargo]

also cucked rshift, sadge

[hexed dawn]

question about that, is was there an iso version?

[winged birch]

80HE last?

[silk hedge]

The 80 is gonna outsell the 100HE

[ancient breach]

I have both an iso and an ansi so yes there is.

Don't use my iso one anymore though.

[tight cliff]

https://windstudio.store/cdn/shop/files/windx98_45_9ed8e3f5-2421-42e2-a483-6c37ad645dbb.jpg?v=1701248748 Or rather this Southpaw would be perfect

[winged birch]

I don’t think UwU will outsell anything anymore, too many competitors who offer equal rapid trigger.

[sage reef]

this should be the new standard for full size, the old standard didn't take gaming into account

[ancient breach]

UwU will have decent sales figures, just not as much revenue.

[winged birch]

I’m not sure, Osu players like any other game switch to whatever is most popular.

[sage reef]

except for left-handers, they live in heaven

[hexed dawn]

are there left handers who actually use left handed mice? (I am a left hander)

[winged birch]

Marketing I’d assume

[ancient breach]

quite like that layout but I would rather have end added to that as well, as home without end doesn't make much sense

[winged birch]

Is Osu’s website popular?

For free?

That’s incredibly generous.

[ancient breach]

osu! is still itself non-commercial

[winged birch]

Vise versa

🤣

It’d drive sales to Wooting, so yes. That’s normal marketing.

That’s why I said, it’s a very generous gift.

😂

The questions that had nothing to do with Wooting but was a Fn issue.

Funny asf

Wooting Support Fortnite Support

How to strikethrough?

Win

[winter coral]

Nice design language at the top to freshen up the high overhang at the gasket holder/screws. Available in wood etc...you can also make good money with this and might have worked well on the 80HE.

wooting, please 2025

[winged birch]

If Mode/Win were 1.50u it’d be perfect

[glad fable]

oo yeah but wouldn't that just be copying designs

[winged birch]

And F13 as a knob.

[winter coral]

as a basis, then modifications.

[winged birch]

Holy

[winter coral]

yeah merge from those both as new keyboard--- best in its size

with low angle 🙂

you are a completely different camp and should not even look into this channel 😉

[winged birch]

I don’t understand this bottom row though. Is alt 1.75u or 1.5?

You love to say how much you know and how little we know huh?

🤣

[winter coral]

They are already working on a 75% model that looks exactly the same 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[winter coral]

two kind of spacebars

so in the picture 1,75

[winged birch]

Oh bigger space bar and 1.75u

Yeah I’d change that

Then everything fits neatly like on some 65%

Spacebar standards are terrible IMO

[winter coral]

yes

[humble cargo]

believe me we aren't

[tight cliff]

Would be interesting to try a split spacebar layout like Alice

[winter coral]

split spacebar would be nice "optional". for tryout and/or reroll to normal

[winged birch]

Rakka60 PCBA supports it right?

[winter coral]

I stand by my statements. Optional ok, but prio no.

But good detective work 😁

[winged birch]

I want support for at least, same with 64%

Switchplate sold seperatly

Would be a great package

You’d have to be able to disable the HE sensors not in use in Wootility though but I don’t think that’s hard.

[novel bear]

When did they announce the release of 80HE?

[sage reef]

Dec 29

[novel bear]

Alright

[gloomy temple]

The most mentioned disadvantage of the 60HE is that the key-axis is a bit wobbly, I wonder if it will affect the use, is the 80HE expected to improve this problem?

[midnight iron]

They are working on better lekker switches already, no exact word on if they will launch by the time 80he delivers though

There are already options for other compatible switches that improve the stem wobble too though

[gloomy temple]

I see. Well, we'll just have to wait and see if there's an update on 80HE. Thanks.

I don't know if there is a discount for preordering 80HE.🤣

[jolly tangle]

im also curious what they will show soon

maybe high render pics of the jis layout and the gasket mount

[light niche]

obv time to 3d print your own stems.

[dull roost]

wait so is it not worth getting the 60 he ? i ordered one yesterday and never heard of any complaints ?

[light niche]

imo its no worse than any other available optical keyboard

[gloomy temple]

I was watching youtube videos and comparisons with other rt keyboards. It's true that a lot of videos mention that this is one of the few shortcomings of the 60HE, so I don't think it's a case, but I just hope that it can be improved in the 80HE in the future.

[midnight iron]

@dull roost Just fyi switches are replaceable

And they’re planning to offer a barebones pack where you pick your own switches

So if the lekker switches bother you then you can get barebones and just pick one of the other options like ks20u or magnetic jade

It has no performance differences though. It’s just some switch designs are tighter stem than others

[dull roost]

is it simple to change them? im not very intelligent when it comes to keyboard modding and swappin stuff

[midnight iron]

Yeah like Lego with a switch puller

[dull roost]

thank you

[weary knoll]

Melgeek new HE keyboard

does it look familiar?

[verbal solar]

no

[verbal solar]

reminds me of the first ever xbox lol

[buoyant solstice]

It does not. It also definitely does not look like the Xbox Og.

[winged birch]

Why does everyone misalign everything man, it looks familiar af just look at the F12 misalignment! i cba anymore

don’t got nothing yet

arrows are nothing

🤣🤣🤣

[weary knoll]

listing create on 30/12/2023

[winged birch]

no way they did that in a day

😂😂😂

speedrun clone any%

[weary knoll]

very contributing conversation

for wooting, you mean layout wise or magnetic switch?

[winged birch]

don’t think that’s how a switch goes together

[weary knoll]

seriously?

[winged birch]

Wooting owns the layout

[weary knoll]

you cant be serious lol

also for angrymiao

it doesnt look like cyberboard

you might see transparent pc cap as AngryMiao-like?

gotta give you that

but layout wise wooting lol

[winged birch]

it’s common for 65%

[weary knoll]

so you think Melgeek copy wooting within one day after 80he annoucement on 29/12?

[winged birch]

not sure about f row

[weary knoll]

that is wild

[winged birch]

It is

[winged birch]

This is pretty common for 65%s, just the F row that is missing.

[weary knoll]

pure cope

[winged birch]

Yes.

I never before knew that symmetry as concept could be so misunderstood.

[winged birch]

^

I explained symmetry before in this channel.

No.

Moonlander is mirrored. Something can still be symmetrical even if it is not mirrored.

Not quite.

[dim lake]

does anyone know if the new 80he no longer has per key rgb and just the token rgb strip instead?

[winged birch]

^

[winged birch]

It has per key RBG still.

[dim lake]

do you think it will have screw in stabs from the get go this time around ?

[winged birch]

I’d assume so. The new Module has screw ins as well so I don’t think they’d downgrade.

[verbal solar]

you gotta look at it in the 4th dimension

[buoyant solstice]

Muh intuition beats a genuine AI at a game that is literally just memorization of potential moves

Throws badly written script out the pod bay door

[sleek pelican]

spacebar

and O

and left shif right shift capslock

and wooting key

and M

I, H, T, A

[tranquil void]

this is an exploded view and because it's exploded, it does show the magnet that goes inside the stem

Choose your fighter

[buoyant solstice]

[tranquil void]

symmetry at last

Perfectly symmetrical

more symmetrical options do exist

but this is merely reflective symmetry

[toxic zephyr]

now do one with eightfold rotational symmetry

[tranquil void]

Yeees

[vital plover]

I'm looking forward to the JIS layout personally. With the extra keys present, I can basically achieve everything I want with it.

[nimble gazelle]

So sounds like copilot is going to be a key on windows keyboards going forward soon. Thoughts? Should Wooting even consider adding an additional key? (Maybe just an extra macro key?)

[spark hound]

It's just win + c

I don't see it catching on... Yet.

[nimble gazelle]

Didn't Microsoft say they want it to be a dedicated key going forward? And yes still early days.

[spark hound]

Remember were in the Ai (Co pilot) bubble

[buoyant solstice]

I give it a year before that key vanishes by itself.

And it'll only be found on laptops.

[spark hound]

Didn't the Mac have a siri button?

[nimble gazelle]

As an aside to that, what about extra macro keys? Or not worth the real estate?

[weary knoll]

JIS is not even popular even it japan itself

but i see your point

biggest issue is spacebar

4.5u

one of very few JIS keycap set

[winged birch]

You’re too focused on the staggered = not symmetrical. A staggered layout can be split up in five 15u rows which are symmetrical in both dimensions. The next symmetry is as who said; rectangle. The case is nearly symmetrical vertically apart from the strap hole. The Moonlander’s layout is completely symmetrical without having to dissect it.

[winged birch]

If you look closely, the stem and bottom housing are rotated, thereby not fitting in the top housing. It was a mistake in the render, that’s why I pointed it out.

[tranquil void]

It will fit if you rotate it :)

Bit weird of a mistake in the render tho

I'm curious how the 80HE layout is going to be tbh

Will it feel as wasteful as a TKL layout or will it be practical

[mystic timber]

I'm on vacation in China and got one, MSRP is about 70$ but I got mine for 90$ ish from a reseller because it's out of stock in a lot of places. Tried it without plugging it in bc no PC here, it feels and sounds incredible

The metal case is sick too

Thanks for the recommendation

[tranquil void]

why go for the 68 when you can have a 69

/j

It looks nice, but I'm not sure if I'd like the layout

[mystic timber]

Both the 80HE and the ATK68 have a different layout from my current kb (keychron K5) so i will have to get used to change anyway 😅

[tranquil void]

k5 is quite nice

could be even nicer

[mystic timber]

Yeah im happy with it for regular typing work but want something faster for cs/valorant

[weary knoll]

Korean

[quaint dune]

Do you know what brand is for this keycap set?

[buoyant solstice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/rec03h/gb_gmk_jis_japanese_industrial_standards_3_days/

Google image search to the rescue. GMK JIS

[winged birch]

That’s why it was funny to me.

[winged birch]

That’s a lot better than what I did. I spent €130 🤣 but indeed, from the reviews alone it’s a great keyboard. I was wondering if they somehow managed to steal Wooting’s firmware though as it’s nearly identical in performance as well.

I think 65% is the best of both worlds as well. You still keep your arrows and Del for productivity in nearly the same size as 60%.

[mystic timber]

After recalculating it was actually about 100 USD or 90€ or so, still a decent deal but I have to haul it back home on the airplane 😂

Do you have it already or is it still shipping @winged birch

[winged birch]

It’s a great deal honestly, for all the feature it’s packing at that price. Crazy.

[winged birch]

It’s still in shipping, I’m supposed to get it next week.

[tranquil void]

but you already paid for your plane ticket cuz you were going home anyway

[mystic timber]

That's true haha, the atk68 is quite heavy due to the metal case so I have to lug it across the airport but it's no big deal

[tranquil void]

the struggle ultimately doesn't cost you money heh

and saving 40 euros might not be worth it but it's the idea that counts 😂

[mystic timber]

I'm not a kb expert since I only have the keychron K5 but I really, really like the feel of the atk68 so I think you won't be disappointed (haven't actually used the atk68 on a Pc yet tho)

[winged birch]

The sound is great too if you consider the aluminum switch plate which most often doesn’t result in a great sound stock.

[mystic timber]

Exactly!! 😂

[winged birch]

We’ll see, I’m going to test every part of the ATK to see how it holds up against the 60HE.

Only difference between the firmware is that the ATK doesn’t support analoge.

[mystic timber]

My phone mic is shite but the kb is sweet

[tranquil void]

clicky?

[mystic timber]

Little bit clicky but not too much high freq sound

[tranquil void]

i like climky keemboar

[winged birch]

It’s not a clicky switch, but it sounds a bit clicky here.

[tranquil void]

Ahh

[winged birch]

It really is, you got a great deal man!

[tranquil void]

i only have 1 climker keemb

[mystic timber]

Yes probably because it's on the bedsheets, it think it will sound a bit deeper on a desk

[mystic timber]

Let me know what the results are! I'm super curious 🙏

[winged birch]

I will.

Travel safe!

[mystic timber]

Thanks!! 😄

[robust mountain]

Goodbye! I waited for 1.5 yrs for the TKL, and now instead of a classic TKL (Wooting ONE TKL?) we got this 80he, just to make samething OTHER, that nobody asked for! Hopefully in the meantime there others also get using analog keys. I think Wooting wasted their advantages on this market.

[tranquil void]

ah yes, you're the only customer
Goodbye!

[winged birch]

Be nice!

[mystic timber]

What is the difference between a 80% and a TKL, it's pretty much the same right?

[winged birch]

He has a fair point and it’s his opinion.

[winged birch]

It’s 4 keys.

[tranquil void]

I waved them goodbye, that's nice enough

you didn't even say goodbye to them at all

😉

[mystic timber]

Lmao

[winged birch]

Fair

Gateron doesn’t factory over lube I don’t think.

No, this is stock.

He just got it.

[tranquil void]

they can adjust how much lube they pour in

But I don't think it's on max or high for most of their switches

[winged birch]

Yeah of course but all other reviews sounded not clicky that clicky at all.

KS-37Bs

Yes, comparable to the new KS-20Us

Not even close.

Lekker’s have completely different (way worse) sound.

But the switch is has an open bottom if that’s what you mean.

https://youtu.be/ZXmjbcprOeM?si=1JzL9_7fDQNzlOzi

Switch foam works as well. Thing is with open bottom switches; the sound goes mostly down in the case and if you don’t dampen it it’ll become a (idk the word for it in english)

It’ll amplify the sound ^

🫡

Ha! It’s the stabs bro

That’s stabilizer rattle.

You serious?

What the fuck

🤣

Stabs rattle exactly like that

But if that’s your switch

That’s the worst sound I’ve heard a lekker switch make.

His is more of a clicky, not a rattle. Your switch sounds like it’s been used for 30 years.

Did the UwU come with spare switches?

If so you should def switch the switch out.

[upbeat berry]

the uwu comes with 3 l60 and 3 l45

[winged birch]

Lekkers are prelubed by Gateron as well.

[upbeat berry]

also factory lube and hand lube are wildly different

[toxic zephyr]

the uwu just sounds extremely bad if you don't lube the switches

[winged birch]

maybe, I’d just switch it out if I were you.

[toxic zephyr]

somehow it amplifies the spring sounds a lot and it ends up sounding like that

I just lubed mine, sound is nice now but it sounded exactly like in the clip before

[tranquil void]

uwu or uwu with brass bottom case?

[toxic zephyr]

mine's brass bottom but it sounded the same without

[winged birch]

Does it sound like the first two now?

I’ll do a soundtest when I get the ATK to see how it compares to stock Wooting as well.

[tranquil void]

that's why I use olive oil

||i don't||

mmm

[upbeat berry]

extra virgin?

[tranquil void]

like you, yes

[upbeat berry]

you must misunderstand i dont use olive oil

[tranquil void]

as bedroom lube?

[upbeat berry]

no in general

if i need to lube something i use molten cheese

the true dutch way

[tranquil void]

Ooh

[toxic zephyr]

don't use olive oil in #💬│general please

[tranquil void]

Very good

[winged birch]

Lube lasts long man. Maybe you just use them so intensively creating boiling hot temperatures that evaporates the lube. 🤣

[tranquil void]

watch me cover you in olive oil

just before your sauna session

[winged birch]

I’m joking

[tranquil void]

bake that shit into your skin

[humble cargo]

beef tallow lubing for that juicy steak switch sound

[winged birch]

olive oil for the springs and butter for the stems.

that is not natural

[humble cargo]

who wouldn't want to type on a ribeye

[tranquil void]

for a buttery smooth feel

[winged birch]

Exactly

😊

[mystic timber]

I did not lube the switches, they came like that stock

I will record the atk68 when it is on my desk, will try to take a recording with my blue yeti mic because my phone mic which I used to record that vid is very shit

[winged birch]

nothing can fix the lekkers as they are

[mystic timber]

What was the cause? I couldn't find it in the convo

[winged birch]

What was it?

[toxic zephyr]

I'd buy something cheaper and more plentiful rather than pay 15€ for a fingernail-sized amount of krytox but I'm a noob at lubing already so I just rather got something tried and true even if it's a scam lol

[winged birch]

???

Your third switches had stab rattle without a stab

[toxic zephyr]

besides the wooting lube and tool kit is quite literally the cheapest way to get everything you need at once, I checked other shops and purchasing the tools separately is already as much as wooting charges for the lubes + tools so

I know but that's not quite the same, I have marine grease and it's considerably more...prone to separation and runny to begin with

[winged birch]

You said it’s thicker than kry right? Do you think it’d be thin enough?

To use for switches.

[toxic zephyr]

and not "sticky" the same way the krytox fancypants blend seems to be

i.e. I worry it just running down and pooling at the bottom over time

I mean 15€ is a lot for a tiny tiny amount of lube but just touching it by accident I can tell it's a fancy blend with fancy properties so maybe the price is not that bad

[winged birch]

Please post it when you do, it could be a game changer.

But it might get mushy?

interesting lube choice. 🥴