🌟│wooting80he

[silk hedge]

They said yesterday in the stream that the zinc alloy version is gonna be 2kg

Big boy

[obtuse wagon]

Wonder if that is just the case itself or the entire board

[winged birch]

Or maybe it’s alu zijc idk

Ducky’s mecha mini case

[silk hedge]

Probably entire board

[winged birch]

It’s actually really good and weight is nice too but it’s a bit on the pingy side

[obtuse wagon]

Hopefully Wootings does not turn out pingy

Or the Discord will go into meltdown mode

[winged birch]

As if it is not already 😂😂

[hasty pilot]

ooh sorry to chime - ive just bought a module+ for my mecha mini case - definitely pingy but im hoping its not 🤞

[silk hedge]

Some good foam and painters tape mod should mitigate the pingyness a lot

Not to mention gasket mount

[winged birch]

foam + cardboard helps mine a bit

Thing is, the 60HE doesn’t fit the case tightly around the edges.

[silk hedge]

Also pc plate and not a metal one on release is 👌

[midnight iron]

i hope it's a super thick pc plate

[winged birch]

The module comes with plastic playe

plate*

[silk hedge]

I know

[winged birch]

What did u mean?

For the 80HE?

[silk hedge]

That for a first release the 80he comes with a lot of things we have been asking for

[winged birch]

Yeah kinda

[hasty pilot]

dang.. i was thinking of also getting a wooting wrist rest with it - i wasnt sure if it left a bit of space between them both cause i understand that the wrist rest is angled to complement the 60HE case

[winged birch]

Nobody asked for the layout though

[silk hedge]

🤷‍♂️ yes but there seems to be more to the layout and they seem confident enough in their decision

[winged birch]

I hate wrist rests a lot, they hinder your hand movement so much. You should try it out though, maybe it’ll fit nicely

[winged birch]

Not

[silk hedge]

Wdym not

[winged birch]

This is a big thing

[silk hedge]

They have stated that there is a reason for the arrow keys to be missaligned

Not yet announced

[winged birch]

That was either false or a non issue

as calder said he’d have to let it sink in

It wasn’t a no nor a yes

and many people like the second a whole lot better as the arrowkeys aren’t misaligned there

[static yoke]

Still strange, but better than before

[winged birch]

Yeah, at least it’s aligned.. 😂

[winter coral]

I can't take my eyes off the led strip...I actually like subtle, elegant led, but it looks so out of place here...as if it had a sticker of my daughter on it. If it were dark, transparent plastic, it would be much better served.

[hasty pilot]

Assuming all the R&D involved and a bigger layout, do you guys reckon the 80HE price to be increased by 10-20% over the 60HE?

[midnight iron]

honestly both look weird to me. The blank space to the right of the arrows needs something

what would actually be neat is an etching design there to fill it

[winged birch]

I said a wooting logo or an extra key. 😂

[winged birch]

I’d bet on €220+

[midnight iron]

yeah it's a common spot for 75%/tkl keyboards to throw etched logos or other filler things in there too

who knows, maybe the add on thing they're making actually does just that, the ocd symmetry people will need to pray

[winter coral]

In Reddit someone made a picture with reduced outer area at the top, that’s looks actually better.

https://imgur.com/mIEbckW

[fallow lance]

yeah i did the same but with no light and "better" aligned arrows, take it as you will

[midnight iron]

honestly neither design bothers me more than just the awkward space leftover there to the right

[buoyant solstice]

Gasket mount requires a bit more room.

[midnight iron]

as long as that space is filled somehow i think either version looks fine

while it's empty it looks awkward as heck though

[winged birch]

Do you know why the forehead is bigger than the size bezels?

Is there a reason for that rather*

[weary knoll]

gasket mount

[obtuse wagon]

Doesnt explain why the forehead is bigger than the rest tho, why they are asking

[winged birch]

^

[obtuse wagon]

With that logic they should all be the same size

[weary knoll]

there are a tab

[midnight iron]

oh they updated the website with the better photos

[weary knoll]

to put on pcb/plate

[midnight iron]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he - no longer has the awkward front on top down view thing

much better shot

[weary knoll]

which exten out of the plate

[obtuse wagon]

Def a much better shot, now people will stop looking at the top 2 keys

[winged birch]

It is a big forehead too now that I think about it.

[fallow lance]

i think what makes the top look bigger than other gasket mount keyboards is how they have made it completely flat

[winged birch]

Hmm

[obtuse wagon]

We know what a gasket mount is, still doesnt explain the bigger top bezel, plenty of gasket mounts with same size bezels

We want to know why it has a big ass forehead

[midnight iron]

the top stores chopsticks for when I eat snacks at my desk and don't want to dirty my hands

[weary knoll]

before it need space isnt it?

[fallow lance]

like say if you compare it to the zoom75, they bevel theirs and have a pretty uniform looking bezel all around

[weary knoll]

in depth, just wait for him to reply

[obtuse wagon]

sounds good to me, true gamer keyboard

[fallow lance]

the top is still bigger but gives off the vibe that its not because of how they beveled it

[obtuse wagon]

We gotta have faith in Kevin like @lament heron said

Save us KEVIN !!!!

[buoyant solstice]

It's the day before NYE. Let people rest up.

Everyone's back in office on the 2nd.

[obtuse wagon]

Wondering what the email log is looking like for you guys

[fallow lance]

Ngl though this would only be a dream for wooting. If wooting had this id fucking love it.

[buoyant solstice]

One major challenge with that is the hall effect sensor.

They are presoldered from the factory, because they need to sit just spot on to work properly.

[weary knoll]

1st possibility - big top and bezel because gasket extend pass pcb/plate
mean wooting doesnt adjust the of side bezel to match the top and the bottom
or
they want small size bezel (some people in community prefer that)

2nd possibility - big top and bezel because gasket doesnt extend pass pcb/plate
mean wooting doesnt adjust the of side bezel to match the top and the bottom
or
they want small size bezel (some people in community prefer that)

[buoyant solstice]

These multi layout boards rely on having a ton of "you can hotswap 3pins in here" sockets.

[weary knoll]

thus my answer is gasket mount, because i dont know more that any of you know

only wooting know more

[midnight iron]

zoom75 did it kind of messy too, they literally have stabs where you had to screw in over the stab and bend your spacer to fit it down

the multi layout support made the pcb just super super messy along the back

[obtuse wagon]

That was on a finalized product?

[midnight iron]

yeah it was on mine

[obtuse wagon]

bruhh

[midnight iron]

they literally have instructions telling people to just don't tighten them down too much so you don't break anything

[obtuse wagon]

The more I learn about the custom scene, the more Im glad I found Wooting for my gaming needs

shit sounds like a hot mess at times with certain boards

[midnight iron]

ah here it is, I found the old photo

there were multiple screw in spots like that where you basically just didn't screw the stab down all the way because it overlapped

[fallow lance]

im surprised they didnt just make their own washer and have it sort of like a z bracket

[midnight iron]

what most people did was swap to clip ins so you didn't worry about the screw at all

but it was still a silly problem to have in a final production board

[rapid bay]

Good for you because you don't even understand simple stuffs like how does bezel design philosophy work.

[obtuse wagon]

Not even sure what that person is trying to say guessing English is not the first language

[fallow lance]

my guess would be they have traces going up there and then have the gasket mounts right at the edge of the plate
i could be completely wrong though js

[weary knoll]

i already explain above about possiblity

[winged birch]

Rakka60 has/will have split shift

[buoyant solstice]

That's easy to no. No keys are overlapping.

[weary knoll]

my guess would be about daguhter board stuff

[buoyant solstice]

They're just doubling down on sensors.

[weary knoll]

because 80he use duaghter board

[winged birch]

Not for splitshift

[weary knoll]

or gasket related

[winged birch]

I think other layouts in general

It says it on their site

Small right shift so there can be another button on the right of the right shift

[weary knoll]

i am fine with thin side bezel just need top bottom symmetry

[winged birch]

80HE should’ve been called 80H asymmetric

[weary knoll]

tbh, why you need attack people with "language" related-stuff like that

not everyone is American or Native Briton

[buoyant solstice]

To be fair they started throwing insults.

[winged birch]

Yes, not all layouts can be supported but there room on the pcb 😂

[buoyant solstice]

Not for every layout possible.

[winged birch]

Obviously

[buoyant solstice]

And HE complicates this further.

[rapid bay]

Look at this old chat history, he just attack other people like this name 🤣🤣

[winged birch]

Yes but not impossible, a challenge for sure

[rapid bay]

People explained something too you, you didnt even recognize it

[buoyant solstice]

Moobin. Take a chill pill mate.

[rapid bay]

*to

[buoyant solstice]

(Also you can edit a message)

[obtuse wagon]

I did, he was also trying to explain what a gasket mount is, which I already knew

We had a discussion, what this Discord is for, sorry you felt offended

[silk quartz]

Are there any differences in terms of functionality between 80HE and Two HE? asking because I need to decide whether to cancel my 2HE order or keep it (if it's functionally the same)

Not talking about the size of course

[obtuse wagon]

They keep stating it will have performance differences with the 60HE so I would guess yes

Nobody really knows what that means so we are all just waiting for the campaign to start

[hexed dawn]

more keys generally means more latency, though if it is within the humanly noticeable spectrum is a matter of debate

[weary knoll]

imo no
it is very little

[silk quartz]

wasn't it 1ms for 60HE and 1.3ms for 2HE?

[obtuse wagon]

It is, but with Focus mode they got brought up to the same latency

[weary knoll]

0.3ms is like very few

optmius has video about overall latency

[winged birch]

0.3ms is very noticeable (i’m superhuman)

0.3ms delay is the reason why I die in games

(real)

[obtuse wagon]

Did not know focus mode keeps the other keys active tho, just adds more latency to them

I thought when you turned it on you lost all those keys

[weary knoll]

powerful MCU would be good for future

[winged birch]

Wooting Intel Core i9 HE when?

[weary knoll]

that is X86

wont work you need arm

[winged birch]

they switched from avr to arm

arm to x86

[lament saffron]

I had the same question and this was Kevin's response. Also, the designers ARE listening to the feedback so keep it coming but keep it respectful.

Edit: Also, if you know me from the modding channel, you'll know I'm going to pass on feedback and ask tough questions. I'm a volunteer not a fan boy and my larger interest is in growing the community and hobby as a whole, not being a parrot. (This was in response to being called a Wooting shill who was afraid to disagree with what Wooting does)

[tight cliff]

The coiled cable will probably fit the 80HE too or?

[lament saffron]

Yes

[obtuse wagon]

Makes alot more sense now

[tight cliff]

That zinc aloy version sounds intriguing also might have to buy a new keyboard mat to fit stuff 😅

[lament saffron]

Me too lol. I have a 60% keebmat and might need to get a larger one.

[safe grail]

mac u got wooting60he yeah ?

[obtuse wagon]

Yea

[midnight iron]

Thank god I bought tkl keebmat

[jolly tangle]

hey sno what do you think of the 80

[safe grail]

can u tell me the estimate scan rate for it ?

for the keys exactly

[midnight iron]

I’ll buy for sure, even though I would have preferred non exploded 75%

[safe grail]

blog.seethis.link/scan-rate-estimator/

[jolly tangle]

whats a feauture about the 75% you like?

[safe grail]

Technically, optical can get ~1ms if it supports 1000Hz refresh rate and has internals idk if it's possible in wooting

test it lemme know

[obtuse wagon]

@safe grail

[midnight iron]

Just the layout is nicer and compact without being too squished

[jagged void]

Damn no Insert and Del keys, that's a bummer

[obtuse wagon]

you could always rebind it an stick the respective caps on

[midnight iron]

You need to make a command to explain to people they can add del and other keys in lol

[lament saffron]

Replace and remap. Easy

[obtuse wagon]

The 80HE is also coming with a full set of keycaps so everybody should be covered in what they want, unless they actually want all the physical keys

[nimble ibex]

How do you know the 80he is the same size as regular tkl?

[safe grail]

You did the mod or just stock Wooting keys because If you flick a key from the side/diagonally you should be able to get 8ms after a few tries on a standard 125Hz keyboard through USB. i was hoping it will get 5 or maybe less ms

[jagged void]

I pretty much use all of those keys

[lament saffron]

Guess I should have too 🙂

[jagged void]

There's just not space to rebind something for Del

And rebinding it on Pause seems odd and awkward

[obtuse wagon]

Ive gotten it down to like 2 I want to say on that website before but its super incosisntent

[jagged void]

Oh well

[midnight iron]

You can put del on f13 too if you want

[worthy wigeon]

Can we choose to have 45 L Switches on the Wooting 80 when shopping ?

[safe grail]

2ms fr ?

[lament saffron]

They said that there will be a custom build option

[obtuse wagon]

Do believe so if Im remembering correctly, an others have posted higher times than mine an lower, seen that same website used at times throughout the year

[buoyant solstice]

You can use layers for the more rarely used buttons. Like doing FN + End to do Pause.

Or whatever you'd prefer.

[foggy kayak]

@obtuse wagon if they let us purchase the translucent case PLUS white caps it’s going to look crazy

[jagged void]

Perhaps, probably PrtSc if anything, everything else is pretty essential for the way I do programming, thank you for the suggestions guys.

[winter coral]

I have just watched the video again. I assume that magnets are attached to the right-hand side and a Numpad can then be connected via induction aka (magsafe)

[buoyant solstice]

No?

[winter coral]

Well was a guess and would be ground Breaking again 🙂

Business and Gaming Mode 😅

[midnight iron]

You think too small. Detachable pizza oven.

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-toaster-shove-gif-18275793

[lethal abyss]

the site is not exactly what you want because it's not actually checking, there have been multiple discussions about it in the past just cant find it anymore

[bitter dune]

bruuuh

[toxic zephyr]

you could've just asked what the scanrate of the wooting board you're interested is

[lethal abyss]

also this is on the fullsize lekker edition

but it's not something you can use to reliably confirm or deny anything really

[bitter dune]

my fingers are in pain now

[safe tundra]

I've not been able to input my email since the live event, anyone else have this issue?
I probably don't need to because discord... but this is that meme I guess?

[midnight iron]

Worked fine for me, but I added mine really early

[toxic zephyr]

yo sno how do you feel about HE + gasket mount now

I remember we talked about gasket mount HE with the boog or whatever

[weary knoll]

with stiff plate no problem

boog use alu plate

plate foam will help

but stiff plate have less need of plate foam

80he come with PC plate and supposely plate foam just like 60he

[wooden ferry]

how does the quality of the zinc alloy compare to aluminium ?

[toxic zephyr]

I wonder about the analog accuracy with a pc plate

well first of all nobody even knows what kind of alloy they are using yet

[weary knoll]

thick pc plate with all standoff and plate foam should be fine

as long as you dont press real hard

unrealistic hard

[wooden ferry]

what was their reasoning for going w the alloy instead of their usual alu

[toxic zephyr]

I'm only guessing but probably because it can be cast

some case design reasons maybe

[midnight iron]

I'm a bit scared by pc plate, i hope it's very thick

I asked calder before and they said their gasket mount was on the stiff side though

[fallen forge]

probably gonna pre-order it since I liked my 60HE for HE switches and the software while this seems to be a similar experience but with function and arrow keys, but some more thoughts...

the led strip gives off aliexpress product vibes, hope it serves enough of a purpose to warrant it being there

the layout feels neither here nor there tbh, kinda just meh, 75% would've made better use of desk space while tkl would've looked a bit more coherent (with a more appropriate space for the led), a bit of a shame to hear (personally, as someone who doesn't mod) that some custom keycaps factored into the layout choice proccess

a nitpick, but funny how there are so many keys yet none of them is delete (remapping exists, yes), hope it comes with a delete keycap

there better be a transparent case later on, the prototypes from stream looked sweet

[wooden ferry]

did you end up getting a confirmation email or anything after signing up ?

[toxic zephyr]

think your post summed up many people's opinion very well haha

[midnight iron]

nope no one did iirc

personally if it were an option I'd use an fr4 plate instead of pc here, but i assume no plate options to start with

[weary knoll]

Alu / CF and Steel also good choice

[midnight iron]

If they release the plate file or have stiffer plate options for launch for performance users it’d be nice

[toxic zephyr]

I'm guessing they have taken that stuff into account in the design already

so it'll probably be "fine"

the most anal users might wanna complain or just... get the 60HE instead

I'm sure they'll release the plate file though, as is customary with their products

[nova nexus]

This may be related to a browser privacy setting with respect to ads or marketing content. I'm not very well informed on how that works, but if you're still unable to sign up for the mailing list I might recommend you to reach out to [e-mail] and the request will be routed to someone with a greater understanding

[jolly tangle]

@fallen forge im gonna leave this message 😉 #🌟│wooting80he message

[fallen forge]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-but-this-better-be-good-south-park-s2e7-flashbacks-has-to-be-good-gif-21568848

[green cliff]

hey i was about to order the 60he then i saw the 80he announcement and thinking about waiting to order it now, is the expected price already known?

[zinc hedge]

Im guessing 210 usd

[buoyant solstice]

It is not.

[green cliff]

unlucky is there a expected release date for the price? :c cuz if its like way more then the 60he i just order that one quickly would be nice to get the f row but not needed :3

[buoyant solstice]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

[copper stag]

In between the 60 and 2 he

Judging on how the other two are priced

[sage reef]

"improved" version of the small bezels layout, but with Bottom bezel using the current size.
look at how good Arrow keys are looking with similar size from the right and bottom edges.

[spark hound]

I like the higher bezel. Makes it feel like it has more substance

[fallow lance]

jesus is my edit still going 🤣 🤣 🤣

[spark hound]

And more premium

[fallow lance]

personally to me, they still look fucked

i just cant unsee the alignment issue on the right side

[green cliff]

yea true seems off they should be a tick more right O.o

[fallow lance]

its either move them a few millimeters to the right and only have 1 key offset to the rest... or keep it as it is and have 3 keys offset
thats how i see it

[sage reef]

this is mostly my edit though, what you mean. I only used your Del key edit
nah I think you're being kind of obtuse, it definitely looks much better
sure, it's a bit weird how bottom bezel is bigger but upper is the same as sides, maybe can increase the upper one a bit.

[fallow lance]

i wasnt on about your picture, i was on about the rest above of it being reposted like 30 times (only just checked previous comments)

plus the size cant exactly go smaller as they've already said related to their gasket mount, other gasket mount keyboards give the illusion that its the same by how they bevel the case but its usually bigger on top in a lot of cases

[winter coral]

Home, End all the Buttons from the right to the left to align it with the arrow keys. Didnt see that yet🙃

[fallow lance]

like this #🌟│wooting80he message
its bigger on top but by how they bevel it, it makes it look like its got a uniform bezel all around, especially when you look at it from a typing position

[sage reef]

what I like more about it is that there is space between Del key (which would be PgDn) and arrow keys, like this you will easier feel the Del key, use it faster and not misclick
almost no 75% do this

[fast hound]

lower melting temperatures -> easier to do case + its like 2 times heavier and as we all known heavier=premium xd

[fast hound]

for sure, this led is looks cheap af

[midnight iron]

so it's been 4+ hours now since calder dropped the hint that the add-on thing they're making interacts with the led bar

someone with 200iq figure out the thing please

[empty parcel]

Hey guys is it just me or does the wooting 80he look cheap

The 60he looks more premium

[midnight iron]

it's the renders I think, just makes it look a little 'fake'. Will be better once they get proper photos there

[weary knoll]

die cast zinc alloy cant be anodize

[lapis galleon]

dont trust renders

[weary knoll]

damn

[midnight iron]

yeah it's a tragedy. I could have done gunmetal grey in korea for like $30-40

[weary knoll]

anodize gun metal?

[midnight iron]

yeah like this color

would look amazing on the zinc case

[weary knoll]

anodize here is pretty cheap too
one bottle of beer and some friendly words to motorcycle shop lol

[midnight iron]

i'll have to cerakote if I want but it's so expensive vs anodize

like $250

[fast hound]

absolutely love this color, it would be total mistake not to add it

[weary knoll]

btw back to topic
how they gonna color 80he?
spray coated?

[fast hound]

paint

[weary knoll]

$150 for stromtrooper white here

[fast hound]

they said that they were trying raw metal but it looks shit

so painted every version

[empty parcel]

Ohh its a render

[fast hound]

will be gray for sure, but not on the launch as I read there few times

[empty parcel]

And does anyone know if you can buy custom cases for that keyboard. I want a metal case :))

[midnight iron]

just the zinc alloy one at launch

all we know is it's black

[empty parcel]

No clue what that is tbh 😅😅

[fast hound]

he probably mean custom not from wooting

[empty parcel]

Yy that ^

[midnight iron]

it's a metal case by wooting for launch. But there won't be any customs from elsewhere that fit it

[lapis galleon]

no its a unique layout

[weary knoll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/dr064p/oh_boyfirst_time_ducky_buyer_brought_on_8th_oct/
https://www.reddit.com/r/DuckyKeyboard/comments/emo7be/buyers_beware_ducky_shine_7_blackout/

i also find horror with Ducky's zinc alloy keeb

4 years ago

[empty parcel]

Mmmm that kinds sucks doesnt it :(

[midnight iron]

looks like ducky was just cheap with their coating

[weary knoll]

true true

[lapis galleon]

i mean if the market is big enough im sure there will be cases for it

the 60he has kinda changed 60% cases

[midnight iron]

it'd take time though. Some might pop up down the line

[empty parcel]

I thought like all 60% keyboards fit in the same case. Same goes for 80%

But the manufacturer has to build the keyboard a certain way so it can be modified right?

[weary knoll]

probably run for 80he only

[midnight iron]

you'd usually need custom plates for 80%/tkl since there's variations

[weary knoll]

tbh i dont think any custom accidently use layout like 80he

[lapis galleon]

they will prolly be expensive tho because of the bigger and unique layout and internals

[weary knoll]

60he use dz60 pcb-alike that why i compatible with tray mount 60% case

[midnight iron]

yeah good tkl case isn't as easily found for cheap as the mass amount of 60% cheapies

[empty parcel]

Sorry for all the questions btw. I know nothing about keyboards hahaha

[lapis galleon]

60% is the only standard tmk, and even then pcb components can vary

[empty parcel]

Ahaa alright

Thanks :)

[lapis galleon]

the most common 80% layout is standard tkl so dont expect any cases for specifically the 80he

the problem is 80% isnt standardized so cases for the 80he will be specific to the 8he

unless the 80he becomes the standard

[silk hedge]

I hope the zinc alloy case looks good

[rapid birch]

What is the difference between 60he and 80he

[silk hedge]

Alumaze levels of good

[winter coral]

my modification - more appealing to me

[silk hedge]

We dont fully know yet, but apart the obvious, for the time beeing: gasket mount ,different plastic case, pc plate and screw in stabilizers in stock version

Although you can get the last 2 with the module

Still some surprises left to be announced tho

[kind wasp]

is it possible to get gasket for the 60HE?

[buoyant solstice]

Not without doing it yourself via modding.

[kind wasp]

is there a video on how to do it?

[fading dragon]

Anyone know what the new industry breaking surprises might be? Says so in the description

[silk hedge]

Faded out rgb strip?

[sage reef]

very good actually yeah, since you don't really need the gap between like End (Del) and left, because you can already identify it easily by empty space below
also gap is already big enough so you don't misclick

[nova nexus]

Yes

[verbal solar]

real q, whats the thing about the 80he that makes people want it over the 2 or 60he

is it because it has the f keys?

and arrows

[glad fable]

f row, arrows, smaller than 2he

[fading dragon]

Please tell 🙂 wondering if I'm to cancel my two he and wait for this one

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/spoilers-doctor-who-gif-8623491

[nova nexus]

You can place your order on hold via the Wooting Hub while you wait for more information to be shared

[fading dragon]

Will it still be part of the tiger delivery, as in, will I still be able to get it in february or will I have to wait for the shipment after that?

[winter coral]

• Top frame reduced in size
• The 6 right buttons have been aligned to the arrow keys and the total space has been reduced
• Tinted glass over LED for better quality

[winter coral]

Ty

[hard phoenix]

Is it compatible with wrist rest?

[kind wasp]

but why zink case and not alu?

[hard phoenix]

it's heavier

[kind wasp]

cheaper?

[hard phoenix]

No

[toxic zephyr]

why is a mystery still

I suspect it has to do with the case design and how it might have issues concerning CNC machining so they wanted a castable material instead

[midnight iron]

i'm sad I can't anodize it

[kind wasp]

could be

[nova nexus]

Your keyboard is allocated to you at the time of purchase, so once the batch you're part of arrives to the warehouse, you can have it shipped any time

[kind wasp]

will it be like finalmouse where the first batch is always trash xD

[verbal solar]

dont talk to finalmouse like that 😠

[nova nexus]

That's a silly question

[midnight iron]

why would it be like finalmouse lol

[obtuse wagon]

no Wooting is not like Finalmeme

[kind wasp]

i dont want wobbling keys or something like that

[verbal solar]

you want stiff as stone keys?

[hard phoenix]

why would they wobble

[nova nexus]

Every new product from every company has had unique challenges and unforeseen circumstances.

[hard phoenix]

Same switches

[midnight iron]

this is what happens to finalmouse buyers. They become so scarred by the experience they start thinking every other company is like them

[obtuse wagon]

Current switches have stem wobble to the point a good chunk have complained about it, I personally dont mind it

[kind wasp]

what would happen if i get a keyboard with flaws?

[nova nexus]

What I can promise you is that if the product doesn't meet our expectations, we'll make it right. And if it doesn't meet your expectations, you can return it for any reason within 30 days

[sage reef]

it's confirmed less wobble switches

[hard phoenix]

lol me neither those are just enthusiast nerds. Get some ramptord or jades

[obtuse wagon]

Wonder how much wobble is present on Gaterons KS20's

If those have less wobble is Gat screwing over Wooting

[fading dragon]

Will these changes also be on the other keyboards?

[hard phoenix]

i wanna see an analog uhmwhpe switch

[hard phoenix]

probably. Depends on the batch

[jolly tangle]

Im a simple man I just want some coffee

☕

[verbal solar]

tea okay?

[sage reef]

don't know
I mean likely yeah, when they're updated and old stocks are used up

[obtuse wagon]

Im going to make some right now thanks

[nova nexus]

The silent changed Gateron made to the Lekker switches that caused a small number to experience issues were done in conjunction with their OEM KS20 switches. We stepped in and with a heavy hand forced Gateron to fix their mistake for our switches, but I can't speculate on whether or not they implemented those fixes on the KS20

[obtuse wagon]

Guessing they did with the new revision, glad you guys sorted it tho

[hard phoenix]

what's a ks20

[nova nexus]

A keyboard switch with a magnet

[hard phoenix]

cool thanks

[obtuse wagon]

Lighter switches with different stem color an housing colors that happen to work with Wooting keyboards

[verbal solar]

magnetoboard

[obtuse wagon]

The accuracy is what Wooting can not gurantee tho, since its technically not their switch

[nova nexus]

Or the press-feel

[verbal solar]

do we know the cost of thy keyboard

[nova nexus]

This has not been announced

[hard phoenix]

Is 0.1mm a lekker thing or a pcb thing

[verbal solar]

will you take 5€ + shipping

[nova nexus]

Sure, but the shipping will cost you like $1000

[verbal solar]

[obtuse wagon]

Guessing all 3 factors, switch, pcb & software

Why some say other brands feel off, they didnt get all 3 correct

[hard phoenix]

yea

[nova nexus]

The switch itself just holds a magnet. The PCBA has a sensor that measures the strength of the magnetic field, which increases or decreases as the magnet in the switch moves up and down during a keypress. The firmware interprets those measurements and turns that into an estimation for where the key is at.

[hard phoenix]

that's cool, probably means that any he switch will have the firmware compatibility

[lapis galleon]

that would be always actuating

[nova nexus]

As long as the magnet used is precisely the same strength, same polarity, and sits in the switch precisely the same distance from the sensor

[lapis galleon]

that would still be always actuating

[nova nexus]

None of which can be guaranteed if you buy from anyone other than Wooting directly

[hard phoenix]

Bro.. Sometimes I shake my wooting and it actuates

Actually cheating

[hard phoenix]

Good to know, thx

[lapis galleon]

most key caps are plastic

[hard phoenix]

i like the keycaps from the ikbc i87

Is this keyboard plate mount or screw in stab?

you can't buy them separately tho but the keyboard is only like 74

[nova nexus]

This is not possible because you're not measuring a discrete distance but instead the strength of a magnetic field. This field is constantly in flux and changing based on the environment. Our firmware uses an algorithm to smooth out those fluctuations and provide an accurate estimate of switch position. Therefore, there must be some amount of range in what is measurably a "different" position when the keypress starts

[glad fable]

inevitable on plastic keycaps

because finger oils c:

[nova nexus]

I know you were joking, but it was a good opportunity to educate 🙂

[hard phoenix]

wooting.io

drop is good too

[glad fable]

Novelkeys

Divinikeys

[fading dragon]

You guys know any good keycap sites for iso nordic? 🙂

[haughty robin]

Any new info since yesterday or is it still a circle jerk in here?

[dense trout]

Maxgaming?

[toxic zephyr]

maxgaming is your best bet honestly if you specifically want iso nordic

novelkeys is an american website so probably don't want to order from there if you can help it (assuming you're in the nordics)

[fading dragon]

What brands on maxgaming would you recommend?

[midnight iron]

Only one new hint

[glad fable]

🤔

[jolly tangle]

[glad fable]

an abstract screen huh

[fallow lance]

ill be happy with a finger print reader 😄

[dense trout]

Sorry, can't help you with that. Was looking new PBT keycaps but in the end bought just white ones directly from wooting for my wooting one TKL.

[fallow lance]

next to nothing as a usb (like 30 quid) but if making their own module, who knows 😄

[safe meadow]

One of preassembled Wooting comes with PBT keycaps. Hard to find anything better within reasonable budget imo

[fallow lance]

ping as in a reply? yeah cause someone else was typing the same time and who knows whos gunna send the msg first or not 😄 plus its just habit

[haughty robin]

Ah I knew it. So the led is actually some kind of context-aware button. “Make it click” is a very obvious hint

[glad fable]

Calder is trying his best to not leak something so obviously again

I just know it

[fallow lance]

rude for using the reply? man what are you on about 🤣

[lament saffron]

Just based on what HAS been said, there is enough info for people to make some educated guesses 🙂

[haughty robin]

You know what’s rude?

[fallow lance]

never known anyone to cry over someone using a reply when thats exactly how its suppose to be used so people cant confuse a convo 😄

[nova nexus]

You can reply without a ping 😉

Though I think V needs to go have some coffee, Mr Grumpy over there 😂

[hexed dawn]

never even noticed that. bold to assume malice

[fallow lance]

right 🤣

[haughty robin]

Wow typical discord. A very non-obvious UI!!!

[lapis galleon]

what’s worse is that tmk you need to turn it off every time

[nova nexus]

If you hold shift while clicking the reply button, it auto-disables it

[buoyant solstice]

Hold the front door!

[jolly tangle]

how much time do you spend on discord?

[lapis galleon]

how is anyone supposed to figure these sorts of things out???

[buoyant solstice]

Actively? Benefits of having a wide monitor. I can watch Youtube and still glance at social media.

[toxic zephyr]

....they asked, on a wooting discord server

[jolly tangle]

[haughty robin]

But like.. why did they choose the @ glyph as the symbol for this feature… they could have done a ping mark… a bell… wtf LOL

[lapis galleon]

I always have discord open in the background

[lapis galleon]

or… even just the word “PING”

[fallow lance]

most of us just don't care enough to check, although discord has shitty ui for things like that anyways and exactly 😄

[buoyant solstice]

Because that's how people use @ on social media?

[fallow lance]

but then you also have this @fallow lance which is what i would usually consider a ping

[safe meadow]

I guess thats bc when u ping @ is prepended to nick but i agree PING woulda been way better

[fallow lance]

i never knew the reply did that

[haughty robin]

It’s a stretch. I’m just gonna chalk it up to bad discord UX choices

[safe meadow]

I also didnt know about that feature

[buoyant solstice]

You'd have to poke Twitter and all of the other ones as well.

[midnight iron]

That would potentially be something. A button or clickable thing in that blank area would make some sense too since it would explain why they needed that area clear

[haughty robin]

There’s a difference between using @ to ping a user or group and using the reply feature. So the glyph doesn’t make sense there

[fallow lance]

exactly, plus im pretty sure reply never used to do a "ping" back when they added it, it just made it obvious what msg you was replying to

[haughty robin]

I digress. I came here to complain about something and I found it

I just.. thought it was gonna be the arrow keys again. I’m surprised

[hexed dawn]

the most controversial event of the year

[haughty robin]

#rememberthearrowkeys

[gilded kindle]

To add, if you hold shift while deleting a message it won’t ask for confirmation

[buoyant solstice]

You're AT'ing someone. It makes perfect sense.

You get a notification regardless of platform for this.

[fallow lance]

Ngl I use the keyboard as much as I can and usually just use tab, then arrows and press r to reply to someone, never actually hovered over it with the mouse to check. Can honestly say ive never cared to since its never bothered anyone or myself since using discord so for V to cry about it.. I gotta say, its a new thing for me 😂 although it did make me learn that shift + r also works to turn off pings which i suppose is a bonus lol

Doesn't even tell you about it within Ctrl + /

[toxic zephyr]

I actually never got used to navigating discord on my keeb despite me liking keyboard navigation where I can

the defaults are very uncomfortable honestly and it doesn't seem very robust

maybe with some tweaking it would be great

[fallow lance]

all you really need to know is tab, then arrows for navigating messages and mostly ctrl + k to jump between channels/servers
ctr + / if you need to know anything else 😛

i actually dont think you can change the keybindings tho which is shit

[toxic zephyr]

one thing I immediately noticed is if I start writing a message, I can't go back and add the reply mid-way

[toxic zephyr]

long as I didn't yet start typing I can tab and navigate to a message and then R to reply

[fallow lance]

you can its just more annoying, or ive not found the proper way to do it.. you gotta shift + tab so it focuses the messages then press r

i imagine there might be a better way to do it but thats just what ive figured out anyways

[toxic zephyr]

I tried just now, for me the r just appears in the textbox regardless

and won't actually trigger the reply

shift-tab was my instinct as well but alas somethings' borked somewhere

[fallow lance]

hmm weird, i can type then press shift + tab then go up to the message (using arrows) then press r (like im doing in this msg rn) 😛

[toxic zephyr]

probably OS differences, either way the defaults seem very clunky/heavy on the modifiers so I probably won't end up using them a lot haha

I like more the vim-style navigation, if I could customize this heavily more towards that direction I'd be more inclined

[fallow lance]

yeah it is, took me a tiny bit to get used to but now i just naturally do it even tho i hate using the emacs wrist fuckery bindings 😄

[toxic zephyr]

yeaaahhh a little too emacs for me haha

[fallow lance]

i usually use vencord too, i probably should check if theres a plugin to rebind the default binds

but atm im on a fresh install of windows pretty much, usually use linux tho

[calm swallow]

u mean if apex pro

better then wooting

?

[winged birch]

That’s great to hear and very respectable. Yes, I will keep feedback coming and yes, I will keep it constructive.

Kevin’s response is interesting. The reason(s) he gives I can sort of understand but he also makes it seem like it is not really because of the daughter board and more for design. There are many gasket mounted keyboards with screws only visible from the bottom. I don’t really understand what he means with exposed screw holes on the side/slope as it’d be the back of the keyboard.

It seems more like a design statement choice than anything which I don’t know how I feel about as it’s supposed to be a board for the masses (I think). So symmetry would be the highest on my list when designing a keyboard for everyone. Same thing with the misaligned arrowkey cluster.

[winged birch]

Also the reason why big brands (nearly) never come with creative designs like this is because it is risky. Yes I can understand completely where Wooting is coming from with the design but with such a design a lot of feedback in inevitable. They’d get feedback nonetheless regardless sof what layout keyboard they’d release but less than this.

[gilded kindle]

That seems a little early

That’s more like it

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-waiting-still-waiting-gif-13052487

[winter coral]

I updated and streamlined a little bit more:

• Top frame reduced slightly in size (Gasket mount could be reason that this would not be possible, but other manufacturers seem to be able to do it.)
• The 6 right buttons have been aligned to the arrow keys and the total space has been reduced
• As far as I know, the Delete cap should be included, so that END position is replaced with DEL - rest shuffled around.
• Tinted glass over LED for better quality and rectangular-shape

[winged birch]

@fallow lance Are you on still?

[fallow lance]

yup

[verbal solar]

thats what i suggested yesterday, that exact layout

[verbal solar]

this one ofc would be better

[winged birch]

Could you edit the top bezel even with the side bezel on this:

[verbal solar]

but that one also works

the bezels are fine

[winged birch]

u just said that u suggested that templers yesterday?

he edited the forehead away

as well 🤣

[verbal solar]

i mean the glued together keys

[fallow lance]

i dont mind either (i also toyed around with pushing the buttons next to each other) but my main point was about the arrows so i just used the one with gaps

to showcase what i mean 😄

[verbal solar]

all of this work

while the wooting 60he is still superior

[winged birch]

Ah, it’s aligned at least but the gap in between the f-row makes it meh for me

[verbal solar]

i'll show you a fucking gap asap rocky bruv

[sage reef]

yeah, wrong, gap between F keys is necessary, since you can easily misclick them and stuff

[winged birch]

Arrow cluster alignement is most important, forehead second most but not sure if that can be changed still.

[winged birch]

Do you like this @sage reef?

[verbal solar]

there's no way this chat will be pleased ever with how it looks, so troll everyone and also push the f-row to the left so its even more asymmetrical then sell it

[winter coral]

I'm just trying to give the design team some alternative thoughts. After 24 hours, I still can't get to grips with the original design from yesterday.
Just wanted a 75% keyboard in Wooting quality and ofc their software....why reinvent the wheel. Better to put the power into v2 lekker + Silent HE switches.

[fallow lance]

I'd imagine they could do something similar to the zoom75 and bevel the "head" downwards to make it seem smaller and more uniform from a sitting/typing angle (whilst still keeping the extra room at the top)

[verbal solar]

this layout they have is also considered a 75%

[strong wadi]

Wooting one he when

[winged birch]

Main complaints are literally both weird design choices, yes I agree there would still be upset people, not nearly as many as now.

[fallow lance]

at this point i just want this

[sage reef]

yeah it's not bad, but also don't mind current

[verbal solar]

ye but its funnier to troll

[winged birch]

You are very interesting

[verbal solar]

damn its almost new years n we are arguing abt keyboard layout i just realized

[winged birch]

yes

[verbal solar]

💀

[winged birch]

It’s obviously the deciding factor if next year is going to be a good year or not.

[verbal solar]

2023 has been great so if what ur saying is true its gg

[sage reef]

@winged birch it's because like I realized you don't need that gap between Del and left, since there is empty space below, you can recognize it like this, and also that default gap is wide enough to not misclick (also you can do like 3.9 actuation on Del, so you rarely misclick it)

[winged birch]

Yes exactly. I have a lower actuation for all keys I don’t want to be pressing accidentally.

What layout do you use now?

[sage reef]

just 60HE, and some Keychron K3 75% which i don't really like

so really want 80HE

[winged birch]

Hmm

[sage reef]

with banana low profile switches

[winged birch]

Would you buy the 80HE if it had a unibezel the same size on all sides and an aligned arrow key cluster?

[winged birch]

Aligned with the End key, you know how I mean it.

[sage reef]

yeah I would still buy, but wouldn't be very happy ofc, it would look off

no but Banana is like the best LP switches for Keychron K3 I think tho, but they're all not great

[winged birch]

Would you like a unibezel the same size on all sides?

[winged birch]

Low profile in general isn’t great afaik..

[winter coral]

Sucks how frustrated I am right now. I actually wanted to leave 400-500 at wooting (software is king), but the 80 seems repellent to me at the moment. That's why I'm still fiddling with the design images. I'm almost ready to pre-order a Q1 HE from kickstarter. 😔 wooting - help!

[buoyant solstice]

Netherlands unless you're from the US.

[winged birch]

I really feel like from a company perspective releasing such a “controversial” keyboard isn’t the best choice.

[sage reef]

my philosophy behind buying LP was that it would be faster to type, since less travel time, I mean it's kind of true, but not overall.

[winged birch]

That’s true, until .1 adjustable actuation came around. 😂

[toxic zephyr]

there's also the boog75 if you want to take a gamble at meletrix's implementation of HE/RT, and if you don't mind also buying a zoom75 to which you can drop it in

in this 75-adjacent form factor though I'm not sure you have any more options right now

[winged birch]

Thing is, everyone wants Wooting’s features/firmware but many aren’t happy with the hardware that comes with it.

[toxic zephyr]

I'm just saying, there are your options, Q1HE, BOOG75 or 80HE

in this sort of formfactor anyway

[sage reef]

honestly there is not many options for space under Del key, distance to F keys, on a 75/80% keyboard, 80HE is literally like almost the only one, without going into customs and stuff I guess, also price range.

[toxic zephyr]

yeah it's a brand new market

eventually we'll have a lot more HE boards to pick from, more switches hopefully as well

[winter coral]

Complicated ordering/collection processes, often no ISO available and then quality...wooting would have rolled up the market from behind...I don't understand it.

[sage reef]

like you think 80HE looks bad, but most 75% exploded keyboards have arrow keys even more ugly displayed

[glad fable]

It's just the arrow keys that look odd on the 80he

[hexed dawn]

shame, only the Q1HE has an ISO layout, and it doesn't even come with switches

[winter coral]

Surprisingly, it often annoys me less. The 80HE constantly reminds me of my old C64 keyboard.

[toxic zephyr]

yeah don't do ISO, kids

😎

[hexed dawn]

fuck ANSI

I want my big enter button

[toxic zephyr]

market would tend to disagree

[winter coral]

German merged into ANSI, I don’t have time for that 🫠

[sage reef]

I mean I just saw Q1 HE, it's more ugly than 80HE, no joke

[winged birch]

That’s the thing though, Wooting has an edge still. They have firmware that sells their hardware not the other way around and it is inevitable that other companies will catch up. I feel strongly that they are not using the edge they have.

This mindset kills entire companies. You either stay innovating or you’re a sitting duck literally.

I hope not. But the decisions they made have me worried.

[humble cargo]

market clearly aren't cultural

or speak more than one language

[glad fable]

The rgb strip?

[hexed dawn]

I don't think we can be blamed for drawing conclusions from the information we have been given 😛

[glad fable]

I think they said something about revealing why they had the arrow keys that way or I'm tripping

[winter coral]

It sucks that we're discussing ourselves to death here...the design and marketing team has to run hot for the next few weeks to pull in last minute changes or restart the hype. Because at the moment it seems to have gone a bit quiet....however, nobody is asking for TKL or 75% in the General anymore.

[winged birch]

Oh you’re talking about the misalignment, well it’s either wasn’t true that the arrow cluster had to be moved or the new new “something” is not real. Calder gave a different reason yesterday, not sure if you were there.

Dat ben je niet

Yesterday as in 24hours ago ish..

[sage reef]

might just order Q1HE for fun tho, to compare with 80HE later

[verbal solar]

[winged birch]

A dutch Romanian?

[winter coral]

I had hoped for the magnetically attachable numpad, where a hub connector would have recognized the whole thing as a keyboard via the existing usb connection... Transformer mode business/gaming...unfortunately not 😅

[hexed dawn]

looks like scotsmen to me

[verbal solar]

wait what

[winter coral]

Nowadays possible

[verbal solar]

who is dutch romanian

they wear skirts huh

[winged birch]

I think the 80HE is supposed to be a keyboard for the masses to compete directly with brands like Steelseries and Corsair. The layout is very close to TKL so I think most people can be fine with it. Would’ve still been a better choice to release a boring product that sells very well instead of this though. 🤷

[verbal solar]

😬

[winged birch]

I know I’ve seen you talking dutch, are you from south Africa then?

I’m so confused

Is this not Romanian?

[verbal solar]

no

what the fuck are u smoking

[winged birch]

What is it?

[verbal solar]

only the last word exists in romanian

and it means mine

[winged birch]

Wow

How long did your 60HE take to ship? 😂😂😂

What

Shipped from the USA?

[verbal solar]

wooting 80he is the new general 🗿

[winged birch]

☝️🤓

[verbal solar]

dont you dare start this again

[verbal solar]

somebody break his hands off

this guy needs to be studied

[sage reef]

@winged birch actually if they moved keys (to position above), I might skip it. buy some maybe non-HE for typing/coding

[zinc hedge]

The keys are fine dude idk why people are making a big deal about it

[winged birch]

They are not.

[hollow sigil]

What happend to the keys ? i tried to understand from behind the scenes 🙂

[sage reef]

honestly I need a keyboard already now, so will buy now xD

[verbal solar]

then buy bub

aint nobody stopin u cuh

[copper flume]

i am also not going to buy this, but would have bought a standard TKL layout from Wooting

[winter coral]

People are interested in the brand and products...so it's feedback. So far, there has been too little coordinated exchange, so people talk to each other.

[verbal solar]

have you looked at the calendar?

who tf wants to debate key spacing on a future product rn

[copper flume]

how much space are they actually saving horizontally by doing this compared to TKL?

one 1u key?

any estimates in mm?

[tranquil flame]

did they share dimensions yet ?

[copper flume]

i think not

[sage reef]

a bit more than 1 key #🌟│wooting80he message
since the gap is smaller

[copper flume]

it just seems so stupid to me to change the key positions around for that small difference

if you want compact there's 60HE

[sage reef]

I suggested also smaller gaps between F keys and main long ago, nice to see them doing it
since Wooting TKL had huge gaps

[winter coral]

Alternative #🌟│wooting80he message

[winged birch]

It’s such a small detail for a massive impact on aesthetics. Perfection is around the corner:

[copper flume]

i meant 80HE vs Wooting One HE

[jolly tangle]

I am not overreacting when I say you posted this more then 10 times in the past day

[verbal solar]

its cute

[sage reef]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[verbal solar]

10 times? you were not here clearly. This guy posted it over 1000 times in the past 25 hours

[winged birch]

I will until there is no more hope for perfection.

[verbal solar]

what

[winged birch]

As long as it is neither confirmed nor denied I will be there, encouraging perfection. Is it not beautiful in the purest form?

[verbal solar]

11 times

@jolly tangle u see?

somebody needs to break this guys hands

mods make him explode from cuteness

[winged birch]

That’s rather aggressive.

[verbal solar]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-stocking-coal-ltg-low-tier-god-gif-16894685927343396957

[winged birch]

That’s rather delightful sir.

[verbal solar]

wdym

[verbal solar]

i am very aggressive

[winged birch]

I know.

[verbal solar]

hey anon how does the 80he look?

[winged birch]

If you look at this it may calm your aggression.

[verbal solar]

good

will u buy it

[hexed dawn]

why not put it in #1141096226884956181

[ancient breach]

Agression or not, I thinkl most can agree you have made your point. No need to repeat it 10 times a day.

[sage reef]

the current is cooler and less boring, and no big gap between arrow keys and Ctrl, and they will reveal more about light bar that will justify arrow key placement

[verbal solar]

no

i will tell u that ur opinion matters more

[winged birch]

Feed back for the 80HE can be thrown in this channel as well.

[buoyant solstice]

Please don't.

Keep it all in here.

[verbal solar]

i think the 80he is a cool concept but make it have robot arms and machine guns

[winged birch]

Please don’t keep it all in here or please don’t. Keep it all in here?

[verbal solar]

and laser cannos

[buoyant solstice]

Please dont post it in feedback, keep it in here.

[winged birch]

Yes

[verbal solar]

what the fuck does that even mean

[winged birch]

I didn’t know if he was replying to me or to the other guy.

Shush

[verbal solar]

i dont even know what the fuck is going on

[winged birch]

I can’t help it, I will stop when I have an answer. It’s not yet spamming as I only ever post it in context. Unless doc said something stupid

[verbal solar]

u already got ur answer puppy

[winged birch]

the voices in your head

[verbal solar]

calder said no

[winged birch]

He did not

[verbal solar]

im schizophrenic enough dont even bother

[winged birch]

I don’t doubt that.

[ancient breach]

You really should not expect a response at this time anyway. It's the weekend, it's around the new year. besides this matter was discussed and taken note off.
I am pretty sure it is or will be clear that a sizable portion prefer that spacing.
No need to repeat it, multiple times in day.

[verbal solar]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-black-guy-homeless-guy-gif-12306843104510607338

[winged birch]

I’m not expecting a response nor am I tagging Calder. Just discussing over anything about the 80HE

[jolly tangle]

man is hooked

[verbal solar]

i just want this to be perfect

[hexed dawn]

my rustles are jimmied

[verbal solar]

real

[winged birch]

Hooked on perfection, yes indeed I am.

[verbal solar]

i am hooked too, can you gift me one for new years? we are friends after all

[winged birch]

It was quite interesting that Calder never used the new “something” as a reason for the arrow cluster position.

[tranquil void]

Because maybe he's trying not to leak it so he stays very far from it lmao

Would be a wise strategy

[verbal solar]

i think its perfect

[winged birch]

No, I mentioned in multiple times.

[tranquil void]

yes and he doesnt talk about it because hes afraid of leaking it?

[winged birch]

No, look at the pinged message in this channel.

[winter coral]

In my opinion, the previous notes on the LED strip are kindergarten and do not belong on a premium board.

[sage reef]

it's fine, turn it off if you don't like it

[verbal solar]

great input, templars knight

[winter coral]

Yeah, but it’s so omnipresent

[verbal solar]

buy the 60 then

[winter coral]

Search for me, I am doing input

[winged birch]

After he gave that reason I asked so it isn’t because of the new “something” that the arrowcluster is positioned in the way it is. A plain yes/no question not an attempt to get him to leak something.

[verbal solar]

thank you

[winter coral]

Lazy?

[verbal solar]

lazy?

no i dont think så

[winged birch]

I hate this argument, it doesn’t make sense at all. People want something similar to the 80HE not the 60HE.

[verbal solar]

buy the 80 then

[sage reef]

idk, there was something I read that suggested it was

[verbal solar]

thats sick

[tranquil void]

They put more renders up

[glad fable]

the side profiles are nice

[sage reef]

they have something planned in that light/arrows area, is what I got from all this

so better wait for that
something that will make arrows and light look better

[winged birch]

Yeah, Calder said it in the pinged message. But he never used it as a reason when discussing it and he said It had to sink in. Mans also replied with “IDK” to the question “Is the layout set in stone?”

[glad fable]

80he does look sexy from the sides tho :v

[verbal solar]

ye its def a she

atleast my type of she

[winged birch]

sHE

[verbal solar]

the 60 is a she atleast

ye but she is tiny

uwu

the 80he has more curves to her

[winged birch]

body shaming now too huh?

[verbal solar]

😭

[winged birch]

The best possible angle and still.. 🥴

[verbal solar]

hmm

[winged birch]

The case looks very good

[verbal solar]

maybe i should cancel the module and buy this

[winged birch]

You have 2 60hes already

[verbal solar]

i have 1 og60he and the module on order

[winged birch]

oh

[verbal solar]

i hope the zinc isnt like 500 bucks

[verbal solar]

im not that broke to get the plastic one

[tranquil void]

Y'all dont even look close enough

[winter coral]

Looks actually better

[verbal solar]

ye but how much is the zinc one lmao

[winged birch]

I do and it is not

[verbal solar]

100 euros more than what

[winged birch]

Look at it. Crooked

[verbal solar]

n how much is the regular one

honestly

[winged birch]

220

[verbal solar]

the 80he is months away anyways

so i will buy it if i get bored of my 60he

[winged birch]

you know if u cancel the module you’ll have bad no screw in stabs with the jades

so u basically cannot cancel your module

[verbal solar]

the 80he being months away means i buy both

i forgot it doesn't ship rn

[verbal solar]

What is this contraption

i might be a founder tho

[winged birch]

symmetry.

[tranquil void]

yesnt

[winged birch]

LOL

[tranquil void]

in one way yes, in other ways its less symmetrical

[verbal solar]

when does the founders campaign start

[tranquil void]

25

[winged birch]

It is mirrored

[tranquil void]

thats not what I mean

[verbal solar]

im logging off the internet on the 25th then, im too much of a psycho not to back this up when i dont even need it

[tranquil void]

you keep on focusing on one part. and forget some others

[verbal solar]

my keyboard addiction is getting way too real

[winged birch]

???

[verbal solar]

kinda right tho

[winged birch]

???

[verbal solar]

u have obsessed with those arrow keys

for the past day

arrow keys look fine

[winged birch]

Look in reply to what it is

[verbal solar]

no cuz then i might be wrong

[winged birch]

It is literally mirrored

[verbal solar]

i cant stand being wrong

[ancient breach]

For me it's a minor detail still but in both cases the arrow keys align a bit akwardly but wit hte second option, at least there is a clear line between the right 2 and the navcluster, and the line between the nav custercontinues.
With the planned position they don't align with anything else.

you have been spamming it way too much.

[winged birch]

you can’t stand period

[tranquil void]

but you're trying to bruteforce it to Calders mind

[verbal solar]

ofc i cant cuz ur under my desk pussy

[sharp verge]

Arrow keys position and the lightbar.... I'm kinda hit or miss on it

[winged birch]

What? LOL

[tranquil void]

that last sentence.

[tranquil void]

You are hilarious

[ancient breach]

With you I meant that guy

not you vio

[tranquil void]

In a thousands lands, a jester like thee I haven't found.

[tranquil void]

Oh I know.

[winged birch]

You act as if Calder is some sort of omnipresent being who has to read everything I say in this channel unconditionally.

[buoyant solstice]

Alright folks. Please tone down the hostility a bit.

[verbal solar]

when are the other features of the 80he revealed?

[ancient breach]

Honestly I honestly think we don't say honestly enough here.

[verbal solar]

Release 75%

[buoyant solstice]

Between now and the campaign launch I assume.

[verbal solar]

this is a 75% too lmao

[tranquil void]

You act like by spamming your selfproclaimed issue, its going to fix itself
Because you only have one argument, you try to make it seem you have a lot of arguments but in reality its the same one 1000x times.

[lament saffron]

While I encourage you to continue providing feedback, understand that moving keys around would require new PCB's and starting the testing process over. That's likely not going to happen after a product release announcement with pre-orders starting in 4 weeks. As has been mentioned there are things coming that the designers felt made more sense with this layout.

[verbal solar]

welp i might be founding it

[tranquil void]

And you're going to read this in 0.1 of a second and say lol or something.

Because your mental age is 8 at maximum

[verbal solar]

LOL

fuck

[winged birch]

I’m too far in this to stop now. I’m talking in this channel though, vio acts as if it’s calder’s dms.

[tranquil void]

WHAT

Introspection my guy

You don't have it.

[sleek pelican]

😼

[verbal solar]

oh my fucking god 🤣

[winged birch]

It’s not a war but it matters a lot to me.

[tranquil void]

This is fucking hilarious at this point.

[buoyant solstice]

Repeating yourself, posting the same pic over and over is not helping anyone. And is starting to grate on everyone. Please tone it down a tad.

[lament saffron]

You should speak with your wallet. That sends the clearest message.

[winged birch]

When I get a an answer it’s done.

[tranquil void]

No because then I'll start hahahahaha

[buoyant solstice]

I'm not asking, I'm telling.

[sleek pelican]

you did

[tranquil void]

(I wouldn't, because I'm not immature)

[verbal solar]

will we get the 80he in white for the zinc one?

[buoyant solstice]

Zinc version is only black for now as far as I recall from what Calder said on Livestream and here.

[tranquil void]

only black planned I think yeah

[verbal solar]

ah fuck

[tranquil void]

initially I guess

[winged birch]

True as well, although there’s no feedback from a wallet. 😉

[verbal solar]

well ig WOB keycaps remain then

[jolly tangle]

yesyes but they also said on stream they will give dimensions hoping to inspire more 3rd party cases

[sleek pelican]

solution

[winged birch]

Zinc is not hard to color I don’t think.

Paint is an option but less durable.

[verbal solar]

💀

[tranquil void]

just offer him a 1 of 1 grid version for 1600 euros and be done with it

[winged birch]

😂

[verbal solar]

brothers

how about we chill, its new years eve up in this bitch

we aint gettin any updates rn

[tranquil void]

this is not something for you to laugh at, this is something for you to be ashamed for

[vagrant haven]

I think it was said yesterday that it’s only planned to be in black. But they’re gonna judge demand by sales and aren’t closed to expanding options

[verbal solar]

i am tired of my basic bitch ass black on black looks and i wanna try out some bold colors but on a white keyboard

[winged birch]

It is not, I pointed out a hinderance I and many others have with the design. That’s it. You aren’t doing anything with that.

[lament saffron]

I'm sure, in time, questions will be answered. I've already posted the reply from Kevin regarding the larger upper bezel but I don't think you're going to get a response to things like the light bar and key placement at this time due to things they don't wish to reveal at this time. In the end, if you don't think this layout is for you, vote with your wallet.

[ancient breach]

That being said wooting does have a keyboard, with perfect symetry, no need to make a one-off:
https://wooting.io/uwu

[tranquil void]

In our profession we have a descriptive words for people like you, namely immature and entitled.

[winged birch]

Is hydrodipping good on keyboards?

[tranquil void]

the upper body bezel would be nice, but the other points are fine imo

[tranquil void]

it is possible

but disassemble the keyboard first

[verbal solar]

i mean if you take it apart it is possible

[buoyant solstice]

Hydrodip is still paint though.

[winged birch]

The sharp edges I mean

[buoyant solstice]

Gotta seal it and not damage it.

[winged birch]

It is but then you can achieve a design or pattern

[buoyant solstice]

So can spray paint though.

[winged birch]

Not the same

[lament saffron]

If you missed Kevin's reply it was a combination of things related to making it easier to mount the daughterboard in a very low angle/profile case and to make it so that all the screws are hidden.

[buoyant solstice]

All depends on how skilled of an artist you are.

[verbal solar]

im really curious on how the zinc and plastic one sound

[winged birch]

You can buy patterns as well

[hexed dawn]

I will definitely vote by not getting this, but I may get the 2HE eventually in the hopes the company puts out the normal-ass TKL that people have been clamoring for eventually

[winged birch]

Doesn’t have to be a spraypaint on water

[tranquil void]

ooh, that does make sense tbh. I don't mind it a lot either. due to perspective a part of the top bezel is already visually obstructed by the top row of keycaps and thus will appear thinner

[verbal solar]

i mean the bezels are fine

[buoyant solstice]

Hydrodipping is still paint though - That's all I'm saying. It isn't more resistant than other paint by nature.

[winged birch]

I know, it was just a question cause there are many cool patterns you can hydrodip with

But from what I saw sharp edges are hard to do

So I didn’t know if a keyboard case would work

[verbal solar]

real

[jolly tangle]

this is just provocative

[tranquil void]

calling me provocative after the convo above this is wild

[vagrant haven]

They should release a depleted uranium case. Imagine the sound of something 6 times denser than aluminum😎

[winged birch]

What are you on about

Bro made a meme about me

You called me entiled as well

[tranquil void]

Yep

[winged birch]

😂😂😂

[tranquil void]

You got that right

[winged birch]

Glad to know I live in your head rent free

[tranquil void]

nah

[winged birch]

?

[tranquil void]

you already live here and your rent is sending pictures of the 80HE that won't be

[vagrant haven]

I’m skeptical of the weird arrow key placement. But I’m intrigued to hear what the secret feature that justified the button placement is.

[tranquil void]

[winged birch]

I provided reasoning behind everything I stated. It was not confirmed nor denied if a change would be made. Calder said he’d let it sink in.

That’s it. It has nothing to do with being entitled or immature.

If you think that it is then you’re offended by criticism

[tranquil void]

You wouldn't stop before he'd give a statement that didn't outright deny it.
Enough though. We'll see what the future holds.

[winged birch]

We’ll see indeed.

and yes, a yes/no is what I’m waiting on.

But that is not the reason I repost a comparison picture.

[tranquil void]

its not being offended by criticism
This is a discussion that has been held before (yesterday night) and the conclusion is still that it's preference and that we'll have to wait for what the future revelations may be.
Until that, no need to repost the 80HE that won't be every 10 minutes. Goodnight

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-good-night-minecraft-gif-17984321836152874608

[winged birch]

I repost it if it’s the topic again or someone asked about it. As I believe a picture shows it much better. Good night.

[tranquil void]

I'm glad you like it. Sleep well!!

[jolly tangle]

guys im feeling generous today. we drop the conversation. i dont care what happend above/ didnt read. this drama is not cool. next is a 24h timeout.

[winged birch]

Thanks, u too.

[winged birch]

Aye

[jolly tangle]

also anon please dont spam that image 20 times an hour in the future. we got the message ok?

talking about the 80he image

[winged birch]

I won’t use it out of context like I did in reply to doc numerous times, sorry for that. Can I post the comparison picture if someone brings it up?

Not 20 times an hour..

[verbal solar]

💀

[jolly tangle]

dont be annoying with it. you know what i mean

[winged birch]

Alright

[verbal solar]

how abt we celebrate new years eve

[tranquil void]

one too early who

[winged birch]

haha

[verbal solar]

the last day of 2023

[winged birch]

30 or 31th, who’s counting

[verbal solar]

same

[jolly tangle]

iso8061

[verbal solar]

its 1:33am and the 31st

[jolly tangle]

wait thats not iso

[winged birch]

We share time zone wow!

🥰

Happy new year is in 23 hours.

Now is new years eve

[verbal solar]

thats why i said new year eve

[hexed dawn]

adam's hoe

[winged birch]

LOL

it means day before

new years eve means day before the new year

so 31th is new years eve and 1/1:2024 @ 00:00 is new year.

yw

[hard phoenix]

WAITING FOR KNOB

[winged birch]

It will release with a knob!

[winged birch]

After the launch of GTA6

🤣

[oblique palm]

Why did the 80 he have tk be unstandard layout and not a normal tkl

[jolly tangle]

read the oldest pins:)

[heavy flax]

is there a reason for the really big edges on the board

or just specifically the top one

[winged birch]

Gasket mount requires over bigger edges. The reason for the massive forehead was said to be to hide screws and for design..

It’d look a fair bit better if all bezels were equal IMO.

what you need sleep for?

Just 2 tiny details man

That’s bad overall

A big angle isn’t great for your hands

You can take them off though

You shouldn’t use a big angle

to type on

It’ll be really flat without feet which is a big +

[kind wasp]

everytime i am here now i see u

[winged birch]

I do not sleep

[kind wasp]

me neither

[winged birch]

#🌟│wooting80he is my home.

[kind wasp]

its ur baby

they should make a anomounys version

[winged birch]

I’d buy it

Who’d use them though, that’s almost 45 degrees man

Same thing

4 degrees at most

Man

And you’re saying I only fight against the current design

That’s high man, you don’t like less?

[kind wasp]

u have the whole dc on ur site and the reddit

[winged birch]

Oh IC

[winged birch]

😌

[kind wasp]

when i heard i can get gasket mount on the 60HE i wasnt even more interested in the 80HE

yes

[winged birch]

Yeah but it’s quite expensive

[kind wasp]

the only good feature on the 80HE and u can make it on the 60HE

[kind wasp]

idc take my money

u need a custom keyboard i think

[winged birch]

Custom plate

with the frog mine case

I believe

[winged birch]

I know people in this discord have done it with the frog mini case

and it sounds really good

which is to be expected of gasket

[kind wasp]

how much?

[winged birch]

How expensive?