🌟│wooting80he

[fallow spire]

Tried a few things but it then becomes a stuffed up thing with novel keys.

The led bar is not for show, it’ll be much more interactive, think abstract screen. It’s also missing a thing that hasn’t been shown yet that really makes it click.

[jolly tangle]

I wish the chat was always this nice.

[weak ore]

novel keys :O

[fallow spire]

Look at the zoom98 from front angle, you’ll find out that you still have issues.

[kind wasp]

oh ok would be cool if u showed it in the livestream or said whats its hopefully gonna be

[hazy cove]

it's not premium its just different

[tranquil void]

better to slowly release pieces of information

[quartz trellis]

by all honesty, i agree to Yuunas statement. The 80HE seems like you've missed the entire point of what people wanted

but i guess since there's a daughter board there's something up your sleeves

[kind wasp]

i thought they would tell everything today and after the livestream that would be it

[winged birch]

The issue I and many others have is pure aesthetics as it’s not symmetrical. The reason that you mentioned was something like there’s going to be something there in the future?

[kind wasp]

is zink better then alu?

[tranquil void]

and you'd have thought about the keyboard once
now you'll hear about it another time, and another, and another!
More exposure means more likely to buy

it's marketing!

[jolly tangle]

I could have accidently said that and I was wrong about it.

[winged birch]

Heavier I believe, not better per se.

[verbal solar]

the led bar is cool and all, but since you are already 99% of the way there just make it a bit wider and make it a proper TKL

[kind wasp]

i honestly would hear about it once when its trash then i would skip it everytime someone tryna tell me about it

[hazy cove]

i expressed this since like the first teaser, but I feel like you (wooting) should've just hard commited to either 75 or tkl instead of this in between layout

[pallid field]

Was this just announced the 80%? I'm newb

[jolly tangle]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

sign up for the newsletter on the page

[tranquil void]

or blow you away with how good a different layout than exactly what you want can be

[kind wasp]

when i try to get custom case isnt it way harder with that layout?

[tranquil void]

the 60HE suprised me in this regard

[quartz trellis]

by all honesty. Use your brain now. The whole right side runs off a daughter board. So my guess is that Wooting secretly has a TKL daughterboard up their sleeves and a case for that too

[kind wasp]

waiiitt

[weak ore]

wait, won't this layout limit the 3rd party customising of the case

[tranquil void]

there's no standard in this space it'll always be hard

[kind wasp]

is there coming an 60HE with gasket???

[tranquil void]

same for fullsize etc

[verbal solar]

ig they do

[copper stag]

What's the point of the led bar if we already have like 80 keys in leds?

[tranquil void]

Don't believe so. they'd have to make an entirely new pcba and everything

[verbal solar]

even a 65 would have way less options than a 60

[tranquil void]

might as well make a whole ass new product

[kind wasp]

[fallow spire]

We are working towards more indications coming from the keyboard when changing settings, profiles, or just interactions for features.

The bar will be more diffused but still have 10 clear steps.

Few example:
Clear profile indication
Volume indicator
Press depth
Adjust actuation point or rapid trigger, 10 steps x 4 brightness levels and/or = 40 step.
Keyboard is in boot mode
Silly the faster you type the faster a light beams back and forth (we have it on UwU)

And whatever else.

We will simultaneously have indicators on the keyboard keys, but this clarifies.

[winged birch]

That’s not true I don’t think. The daughter board is just for power right? Or that’s how it seemed in the stream

[jolly tangle]

great question

[copper stag]

How will volume indication work on like 4 leds

Its very broad range

[hazy cove]

maybe for someone who uses 6/9 nav keys this is perfect, but believe me when I say this isn't for me. I actually own something with a similar footprint, and it aint it

[fallow spire]

It has 10 LED

Then there is brightness

[copper stag]

Wait can't I just look at my screen and see the volume

[kind wasp]

so its a little bigger and updated version of the 60HE?

[tranquil void]

but honestly a lot of this chat sounds like close minded and oh god they didn't make exactly what i wanted and they're looking after a different part of the customer base but I want it to be me.

[bitter dune]

@winged birch told me to suggest if the LED meter could be activated on a per-key basis, to filter out the keys i don't want to activate the LED meter

so if the LED meter can only be activated with an "E"

[tranquil void]

which is totally fine
But 80% users and more will like it and sometimes they have to care for those customers too!

[fluid fiber]

I think the layout is mostly fine. I mainly want a keyboard without numpad that actually has arrows and home/end keys so that when coworkers use my keyboard they aren't giving me trouble about it.

I'm more disappointed that the space bar isn't smaller to accommodate more keys down there. Nonetheless I'm still excited and I plan to pre-order

[kind wasp]

nah it just sounds like they tried to go small again after people wanted bigger

[winged birch]

Is the non symmetrical Arrowkey placement set in stone, if so I’ll stop asking.

[tranquil void]

cope.

[fallow spire]

That would definitely be possible to implement. It’ll need a bit more argument on what the purpose is, but it’s this type of thinking I want it to open up for

[hazy cove]

This is not an 80% layout, standard TKL with 3 nav columns is usually referred to as “80%”

[jolly tangle]

you sound like calder its not a 7u spacebar blablabla....

[hazy cove]

I don’t really care about the space bar

[kind wasp]

i am waiting till i can buy wooting in the stores xD

[pallid field]

Why not just make the leds customizable in the utility so it can be whatever you want

[fallow spire]

I would’ve loved to go split spacebar, actually tried to make it cross compatible, but wasn’t possible. Didn’t want to give everyone a heart attack, but also didn’t expect the response we have now either lol.

[zinc hedge]

5 years

[left turtle]

ok but sorry, how many people look at the keyboard to get visual queues on how far a key is pressed?
These "LED features" are really a need for the users? hmmmm...

[weak ore]

that was pretty much what i was on about xD its like an 80% but more compact, so more towards 75%?

[tranquil void]

purpose could be to help visualise how far the w key is pressed for when it'll switch from walking to sprinting
It'd give you some info about DKS on a certain key you use it on most

[kind wasp]

the keyboard is great ❤️

[jolly tangle]

the people who are happy with it are now sleeping well

[kind wasp]

I am gonna buy it and flex with my gasket

[tranquil void]

I'm happy with it but not sleeping
I'm more than excited to try it

[jolly tangle]

great to have you onboard emder

[fluid fiber]

I think it'll be fine, just vocal minority. In a week or two I believe the numbers will speak for themselves

[hazy cove]

As far as I’m concerned the 80 is just a marketing name much like how qwertkey’s qk100 isn’t a 100%

[weak ore]

i think she sounds better as a 80he over a 75he

[jolly tangle]

yes violet but I know you 😛

[tranquil void]

?

[fallow spire]

None of the % names actually correspond completely with key counts. 60% = 61 on ANSI, 65 on JIS. Don’t see Japanese people calling it 65% all the sudden

[weak ore]

Calder, is the 80HE going to be female or male this time around?

[jolly tangle]

friday evening + you not sleeping

at 2:50

[tranquil void]

ah

[zinc hedge]

house pet

[bitter dune]

the purpose would be to check the pressure settings only from keys we want to know the pressure levels, for example the booster key in a flight sim, the gas pedal in a racing game, or keys with multiple functions bound to them.

[tranquil void]

it's a female connector on the keyboard itself

[tranquil void]

the apple pen is male btw

[main dust]

Is there going to be a sound test anytime soon?

[kind wasp]

I didnt know Keyboards % are so different xD

[fallow spire]

The critical question. I’m not sure if these days we’re allowed to make it female. We’ve always referred to the keyboards as a she. Small wink towards car lovers (and majority of them being male, but you know stereotype)

[tranquil void]

i swear by this logic

[weak ore]

keep it as "her serial number"

[winged birch]

Wooting64sHE when? 😂

[weak ore]

YEAH

we talked about the Wooting 60SHE "Super Hall Effect" its gotta make it :3

[kind wasp]

what does the HE stand for?

[hexed dawn]

programming socks included

[weak ore]

Hall Effect

[fallow spire]

We can’t do in-game indications and I wouldn’t recommend it for that type of use either as your game UI will do a far better job.

It’s a novel indicator and in certain situations make it much easier and clear to know what’s happening. Not expecting anybody to actively keep an eye on it.

[jolly tangle]

sounds fun but its extremly distracting

[winged birch]

Not in game, on the keyboard (RGB effect).

[tranquil void]

consider my dks implementation idea and use it as sort of a shift light

[weak ore]

On the side note of like all the spring packs that we're announced previously. Do you guys have any insight on making better switches whilst third party releases switches like the Jade and Raptors?

[weary knoll]

not gonna sell well ig

[tranquil void]

so it basically flashes just before you press enough for the 2nd action (sprint)

[hazy cove]

You are correct that a standard ansi 60 has 61 keys which is technically 61/104 ≈ 58.7%, and the wooting 60 isn’t the wooting 58.7. However naming conventions exist and personally I think it would be confusing to stray from established norms.

[zinc hedge]

Use as a Key Indicator, like the samples on the website indicating when the key is being pressed

[weary knoll]

my japanese friends use ansi lol

[kind wasp]

can i put the wooting 80HE in the Finalmouse Centerpiece Case?

[fallow spire]

As long as it doesn’t depend on the game communicating something. Then displaying pressure level will definitely be there. Limiting it to which keys it should display, that could make sense.

[weary knoll]

but good for option

[hazy cove]

Ansi has the best aftermarket keycap support unfortunately/fortunately

[tranquil void]

ansi rules supreme

[fluid fiber]

is there a timestamp or screenshot of it? I might end up wanting JIS layout

[verbal solar]

agreed

[fallow spire]

How about those 60 layouts with full arrow key on right bottom, what is the naming convention for it.

[winged birch]

Yes, that is what his suggestion was. I’d like that as well. Showing only the pressure of one button regardless if other are pressed as well.

[weary knoll]

64%

[verbal solar]

64%

[weary knoll]

i suggest you like months ago

[hazy cove]

64 key Lay-out usually

[weary knoll]

but people keep saying

use layout

[winged birch]

Calder?

[zinc hedge]

Wooting4he

[weak ore]

because i think quite a number of people are hyping up the Jade and Raptors, and many have the same question on whether Wooting is going to come up with their own better version of the Lekker 60 and 45

[jolly tangle]

some of these questions

[fallow spire]

What would be an alternative or better name we can give it to indicate it’s different ?

[tranquil void]

69% (joke)

[main dust]

what improvements did they say they would add to the switches?

[weak ore]

just keep it as it is, i dont think theres anything wrong with it's naming convention

[zinc hedge]

wooting Adapt

[jolly tangle]

none on the stream. just they are working on something

[kind wasp]

70%?

[verbal solar]

u cant do much for the name

[weak ore]

Id rather stick to conventional names with a pattern rather than going all over the place with "cool names"

[hazy cove]

Well, those bent 60%/65% variants are referred to as “Alice” and “Arisu” respectively. So something like that maybe

[kind wasp]

Wooting60HE+

[verbal solar]

functionrowless TKL sometimes get referred to as 70 lol

[winged birch]

? 😭

[ebon sluice]

call it The Rapid Trigger and patent the name

[hexed dawn]

85HE I guess?

[tranquil void]

Introducing
The new Wooting Cope ||and seethe cuz it's not a TKL)||

[verbal solar]

damn u

[fallow spire]

The raptor switches on their own are sound and wobble wise exactly the same. I have them here. Only if you swap stem it’ll eliminate all wobble but add to friction feel.

We are reducing the tolerance on lekker switch and working on something new . But in general, I like to see all the options and will try to stock them as a switch option on our store.

[kind wasp]

is the wooting Two bad?

[verbal solar]

try the jades too and make a custom version of it for the wooting

[hexed dawn]

Wooting Shelf Hugger 85

[tranquil void]

now what I want is an elongated 60HE

[kind wasp]

even faster switches are coming?

[fallow spire]

Can you link the jades, or you mean the Gateron mahjong switch?

[verbal solar]

yes i do

[kind wasp]

i thought its the wooting60HE just 100%

[jolly tangle]

that was already 40 minuts of QA

[bitter dune]

tactile HE switches a possibility?

[jolly tangle]

time flies time to brush my teeth

[verbal solar]

https://www.gateron.com/products/gateron-magic-jade-switch these fuckers

[weak ore]

AYO you know mahjong?

[ebon sluice]

"offering a unique Mahjong sound experience" wut?

Gateron Chess would be so much better

[hexed dawn]

"Mahjong-inspired HIFI sound" what the samhain

[verbal solar]

also please make the arrows symmetrical like here @fallow spire

[kind wasp]

Valorant gamers here?

[fallow spire]

Mahjong switch closed the bottom and shortened the travel by 0.4-0.5mm as a result. The stem bottom hits the closed part creating the same sound as long pole switches.

It’s dope! And we will stock it on our store when we get the chance.

[verbal solar]

nice

[tranquil void]

what is it right now

[weak ore]

cam and deadly sausage has dropped a few sound test videos on the new gateron jade he switches and they do infact sound really good

[kind wasp]

looks better

[verbal solar]

arrows symmetrical with the end key

[weak ore]

the shipping

[tranquil void]

?

[hexed dawn]

yeah at the very least it doesn't look like an industrial design fauxpas like that

[fallow spire]

As soon as you stop viewing it top down, it’ll create a new aesthetic problem. You usually use the keyboard at an angle in front of you.

[ebon sluice]

isn't there a cheaper option of like $5?

[weary knoll]

this layout

[winged birch]

So no?

[weary knoll]

fit im the same layout

[weak ore]

oh yeah there is lmao i totally forgot

[zinc hedge]

That leaves so much space

[weak ore]

i was fearful that im gonna pay another 30 dollars on shipping

[weary knoll]

just 2u left shift for ansi
and 1u left shift iso

[kind wasp]

Will there be a longer wrist rest for the 80HE?

[weary knoll]

for gamer, right shift they never use

[tranquil void]

1u hahahahhaa please don't

[jolly tangle]

https://wooting.io/product/wooting-wrist-rest boy do i have news fore you

[weak ore]

no go, gamers still type though

[tranquil void]

That would wholly suck

ISO shift is too small as it is

[weary knoll]

need some adjustment

[safe meadow]

i asked different q aboyt wrist rest they said they are making one specificaly for 80hE

[fallow spire]

It’s too expensive, according to Gateron they need to hand assemble them. This is plausible but unlikely, as it uses only a different bottom case, you just make new jigs on your existing assembly machine and it’ll just automatically assemble, you’ll earn back the cost very fast because… who the hell would hand assemble even 100k switches, insane labor cost lol

[ebon sluice]

wait, is the bottom of that wristrest the inspiration for the Holy60

[weary knoll]

yeah ANSI people has easier time to get use too

[kind wasp]

but a bigger one so it fits with the 80HE

[weary knoll]

or just make ANSI only

[winged birch]

It’s about the arrowkeys not being aligned with the End key. I’m not sure why I’d create an aesthetic problem when viewing from a different angle? That’d be the same for all keyboards I presume?

[jolly tangle]

omg people want everything

[winged birch]

Correct.

[weak ore]

i wanna meow

[jolly tangle]

wooting tkl 75 77.75 mouse headphones

[fallow spire]

The left arrow issue becomes much more announced. And as soon as you remove that cluster it’s further highlighted.

[jolly tangle]

even a bed

[weak ore]

Wooting Mouse HE

[zinc hedge]

Wooting Slide HE

[weak ore]

i stick magnets onto my fingertips

[verbal solar]

Wooting Complain HE new name

[hexed dawn]

well I guess this product just ain't for me, good luck with it

[winged birch]

this is what I mean. I don’t quite understand what you mean however.

[kind wasp]

are there even cases for that layout?

[ebon sluice]

no

[verbal solar]

he prob means this gap becomes more apparent

[weak ore]

that waas what i was asking

[hazy cove]

@fallow spire you know how the cherry G80-1800 had a weird new layout and now we refer to things like it as having an "1800" layout. You could give it a new name like the "1800", "Alice", "Arisu", etc, and turn it into a "standard" layout. Maybe name it after city in the netherlands you like. Anything goes.

[tranquil void]

uh yes i said it wrong I do prefer this

[verbal solar]

case swapping gasket mounted boards was never possible unless its 1st party

[tranquil void]

Would disrupt the naming scheme wooting is going after

[winged birch]

That gap becomes more by 0.25u?

[winged birch]

Many do because it is symmetrical, we’re all humans here. 😂

[tranquil void]

There's a problem though anon

[fallow spire]

The layout doesn’t dictate compatibility with case. There is only the H87 in the TKL scene but even this has 3-4 variations with different compatibility issues.

[tranquil void]

You have to have it in 3D before you can really judge

[winged birch]

And it creates a clear distinction between the “main” keys and the “side” keys.

[weak ore]

Normal conventional names like how Samsung goes about their products.

[Brand] [Series] [Conventional Pattern Number]

[bitter dune]

how small errors can decide the future of keyboarding on the planet

[winged birch]

How so?

[kind wasp]

so if i order the 80HE module with the zink case i have to build it myself or is it already build?

[verbal solar]

my 60he is perfect shit i even ordered the module i cant buy this too 😭

[fallow spire]

Good point, definitely not a city lol

[weary knoll]

i feel this guy sum it up well

[hazy cove]

name it 77HE like my meme

[sand quartz]

This layout with the bigger gap looks way better 👌🏻

[tranquil void]

It's very hard to judge design from a single photo, especially from a a direct view like this

[kind wasp]

i never have build a keyboard myself and idk if its hard and what to look for

[weak ore]

just send me the keyboard as a whole /j

[tranquil void]

I don't have it

[winged birch]

I feel like a front/top view is all that matters and I don’t understand how it could be a problem from an angle

[verbal solar]

can u prove it tho

[ebon sluice]

Just buy it, you're already neck deep in this rabbit hole

[weak ore]

ribbit!

[tranquil void]

still will need a 3d assessment

you can't say much until you've seen it
irl best
on screen also possible if you can freely rotate it to however you want

[jolly tangle]

I feel like this has been answered this evening

[weary knoll]

they try to keep 1.25u bottom row too much as first criteria
that why it turn out weird

[kind wasp]

3d model on the site

[weary knoll]

cant shift arrow section it

not so much choices after that

[winged birch]

Imagine it from the side, all keys still align so I do not get what Calder meant at all.

[fallow spire]

This is hiding there but from different angle, that gap highlights it.

[tranquil void]

not until it's released probably
other design files are also on github

[frosty sage]

Can we have a size comparison to the 60h2 to see how bigger it is… side by side will be appreciated

[verbal solar]

xD?

[zinc hedge]

%25

[verbal solar]

just google 60% vs TKL LOL

[kind wasp]

dc community working for free on the design xD

[winged birch]

That’s the point haha, that’s what I and many others would love. It’ll be aligned with the end key, a gap between shift and the top arrow will be created to separate them from the “main” keys.

[zinc hedge]

free discounts maybe

[tranquil void]

yeah it's just where you want the misalignment to happen tbh

[kind wasp]

they are editing so much here in seconds thats crazy

[tranquil void]

not possible to do it like that bro

[zinc hedge]

I mean they got time before campaign start

[kind wasp]

free workers u dont have to pay

[sand quartz]

+1

[zinc hedge]

were the ones that are gonna buy/use the product

[weak ore]

i just use paint 3d

[tranquil void]

my guy have you ever seen a paid discount

[sage reef]

unconnected tetris block

[kind wasp]

and some dc people were in the making of it xD

[zinc hedge]

Never

[hazy cove]

but if you really want a number i guess 77 would be fine , it would signify it's somewhere between a conventional 75 and a conventional 80 in terms of size/layout

[verbal solar]

the name isnt the issue

[winged birch]

I believe one is right and the other is wrong as for one it misaligns and for the other it aligns with both.

[weak ore]

unconnected tetris block

[kind wasp]

gimme this rn

[zinc hedge]

Wooting Cinema Phone

[verbal solar]

in europe even some 75%'s get called 80

[winged birch]

I want that right now too.

[fallow spire]

81HE

[weary knoll]

just shift arrow a bit like this

[winged birch]

It’s such a small detail but it makes such a big difference.

[tranquil void]

80.5HE

[weary knoll]

right? i try to understand

[fallow spire]

I’ll take a look about the arrow keys. Need a moment to sink it in.

[zinc hedge]

Wooting Half 8HE

[kind wasp]

how many 60HE have u sold?

[winged birch]

Exactly

[weak ore]

60

[hexed dawn]

arrow keys aligned to the right would go a long way of making it look more palatable

[weary knoll]

yeah why not, i suggested like 12 hrs ago

at least it look better

[tranquil void]

id say print 2 3d mockups and just look at it for a bit

[sage reef]

you can reduce bezels, and then current will look better

[hazy cove]

the arrow keys are aligned with the nav columns are they not

[tranquil void]

heh

[winged birch]

Last question, in the pinged message you mentioned that they need to be out of the way for something you’re planning in the future. Is that off the table?

[kind wasp]

ask on twitter

[dense ridge]

@fallow spire please place arrow keys a little bit righter! we need some more symmetry

[verbal solar]

a smaller bezel case would be nice too :)

[fallow spire]

It’s not that it never was on the drawing table, it’s rather that over time things changed and there was another consideration.

[zinc hedge]

Gotta keep in mind they said they put the arrow keys there for a reason they haven’t said yet

[hexed dawn]

not currently, at the moment they look shifted towards the left which looks quite sinful imo

[weak ore]

quick question guys, what does the rctrl ralt clipboard do?

[fallow spire]

The bezels aren’t as big as you think.

[bitter dune]

the reason they are separated is the same reason other blocks on the keyboard are disconnected, it's a visual cue to indicate either a different block function or better visual navigation. And on the 80HE it's neither atm.. not that i care much about the arrow keys.

[winged birch]

Yes, that’s how I understood it from your message but my question then is; is it worth the misalignment if maybe not everyone will have or buy the future “something” that’s supposed to be there?

[kind wasp]

oled display?

[winged birch]

YES

[kind wasp]

my Iems broke my ear

[weary knoll]

just add f row and it is wooting now

[weak ore]

thoughts on a centerpiece he?

[kind wasp]

xD

[tranquil void]

same

[dense ridge]

@fallow spire fix this please! place the arrow keys a little bit righter

[kind wasp]

this with wooting

[winged birch]

You don’t prefer the alternative though, you just want TKL right?

[jolly tangle]

you guys should all wait till the announcement so you can see everything

the thing looks dope as hell

[fallow spire]

That’s the part that needs to sink in for a moment.

[weary knoll]

what wrong? it might be bad but it is design-wise better than current aligment

[tranquil void]

Yknow what
Looking at it a bit more
I'm team keep it like it is

[weak ore]

if it aint bleeding it aint close to broken yet

[winged birch]

Alright, I can live with that. Maybe even a poll would help? 😉

[dense ridge]

its horrible

[sage reef]

i'm 100% serious, do not move the the arrow keys, it actually looks better now. also fits better with the light, and also is like a fitted tetris piece, instead of weirdly disconnected

[kind wasp]

i rly dont think people will see this so much

[tranquil void]

opinion.

[weary knoll]

also with the picture i sent, people would have less typo when try to hit up arrow

[kind wasp]

i had to look 2min so see the difference

[dense ridge]

@sage reef🤦‍♂️

[kind wasp]

crisp

[tranquil void]

yeah no. that's doesn't mama the mia a lot

[sand quartz]

WE WANT THIS

[kind wasp]

@winged birch u are carrying the 80HE

[weak ore]

nah there will still be people that will be unsatisfied with it, just gonna see which side you'd prefer to please

[winged birch]

I hope so man

[dense ridge]

thats how it should look

[winged birch]

I love the look of one and I hate the look of the other.

[tranquil void]

now you have 2 weirdly sized spaces which makes the design very cluttered

[zinc hedge]

Can someone send how it looks like rn

[kind wasp]

if he didnt have shown me this i wouldnt even want it but now i want it

[jolly tangle]

you always have unsatisfied people. the 60he had the same critism and is an absolute banger

[tranquil void]

and you sneaky b- draw the red line there to make that space less visible

[winged birch]

But it is aligned, and symmetric that is the point!

[dense ridge]

@tranquil void the gap is the same as with other keys like Home and End

[tranquil void]

no

[weak ore]

didnt Calder already said that he would have to let it sink in, chill out with the pictures guys xD

[winged birch]

I drew the red because I thought calder did not understand what I meant

[tranquil void]

but detached from it.
It splits the whole column but 1 key
That makes it weird.

[kind wasp]

i looks better and i dont think it would take much effort to change

[dense ridge]

@tranquil voidsomething is wrong with your taste dude sorry

[hazy cove]

guys i think changing the arrow keys might delay this another 6 months

[verbal solar]

how abt we also smoosh the end key and all the other keys like the arrows and call it done

[tranquil void]

could say the same about you

[weak ore]

nah, dude not like this

[weary knoll]

point of blocker because they want to retain 1.25u bottom row (even tho all set today has 1u botton row)
the why is there the gap
x3 tu would fill that gap fully

[ebon sluice]

nah, that left arrow is always going to throw your eyes off imo

[left turtle]

HE60 is a pretty standard 60% layout right?
I think this keyboard is going to be a love it or hate it affair... at least with the info we have now, so lets wait.

[jolly tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-dreams-go-to-sleep-comfy-cozy-snuggle-gif-13058744

V thanks for modding the discord

[kind wasp]

but is it wireless tho?

[winged birch]

Who has the render of the 80HE as it is now

[verbal solar]

remove this gap too and it will be symmetric easy clap

[weak ore]

don't do it like this guys, we're all allowed to have the opinions but don't go so far as to insult each other for it

[winged birch]

Let me put them next to eachother

and we can compare

[weary knoll]

i hope they dont already mill 1000 of alu case already /s
(i know it is die cast zinc alloy)

[kind wasp]

this?

[tranquil void]

Yeah
My problem with it is that it makes the design unbalanced

[bitter dune]

ok guys, lets not argue, this is the ultimate design, everyone agrees im sure

[ripe hound]

I straight up Bought the 60he+ because i was hoping for an 75% or tkl pcb but since its not there its an 60he for me i guess

[safe meadow]

eh it will always be two weird spaces no matter what - in your prefferred layout right side will be misaligned making "weird" space here and space between arrow and main keys (but smaller than with the other design)

[tranquil void]

no

[ebon sluice]

lord have mercy. floating keycaps eew

[kind wasp]

u have to pay more when the 80HE comes out

[sage reef]

another disconnected tetris shape

[heavy flax]

why didnt they just do a regular tkl design?

[sage reef]

because tkl is boring

[kind wasp]

there is non regular tkl

[winged birch]

1: As it is now.
2: Aligned

[verbal solar]

60% is boring too

[ripe hound]

But 75 is wonderful

[sage reef]

1

[heavy flax]

oh

[ebon sluice]

it's aligned.. sort of. that left arrow just doesn't compute where it sits

[tranquil void]

aligned looks like the pizza cutter didn't make it all the way

[kind wasp]

i didnt know it too

[heavy flax]

is there a speclist for the wooting 80?

[zinc hedge]

Website

[kind wasp]

what did u think an tkl looks like?

[winged birch]

It’s not aligned with End

[heavy flax]

yea, i still wish they did a regular one

[sage reef]

current has more charm, please don't change

[kind wasp]

like the apex pro tkl?

[heavy flax]

this minus the numpad

[zinc hedge]

I like it, its just people dont like the misalignment

[kind wasp]

me too

[dense ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[verbal solar]

imagine what we could have

[kind wasp]

they got us on the first half

[heavy flax]

😭

[ebon sluice]

I see that but still, the left arrow is left out in the middle of the street

[heavy flax]

buying a gmmk numpad bro Fluff this.

[winged birch]

Try to understand where I come from: You have the main keys, the F row, the multi media, and the arrow keys. It doesn’t make any sense for the arrow not to be separated from the “main” keys

[left turtle]

i can't understand the "its boring" ... it's about user experience ... muscular memory and functionality ... it's a KEYBOARD... its your interface towards the computer ... jeez ... its not because it has led strips or shinny stuff that it will make it better ...
It's about patterns of use for the users at the end of the day ...

[kind wasp]

we need to collect signatures to get this

[winged birch]

Thereby aligning with the “outer” keys

[heavy flax]

Nvm

[weak ore]

im gonna curse u guys with this

[verbal solar]

[heavy flax]

What's the difference

[spring solar]

i do much prefer this personally, it is sort of a dealbreaker honestly for me

[ebon sluice]

that's the best one yet!

[verbal solar]

bezels and arrow keys

[tranquil void]

Perfect lmao

[woeful swallow]

issa prank

[verbal solar]

now that i see it, there's no way to win with this regardless it will never be properly symmetric until its a normal TKL or 75% ngl

[kind wasp]

use ur photoshop skills for the good not for that

[heavy flax]

Ooh yea just checked that does look better

[tranquil void]

This also makes the design very blocky and static

[winged birch]

It really doesn’t

[dense ridge]

thats how it should look

[buoyant jacinth]

Why can't the arrow cluster be a ⬜ 😏

[kind wasp]

the arrow pointing there where it should allign

[winged birch]

What do you think?

[ebon sluice]

is this how design lectures go, fucking wild shit

[heavy flax]

nice

[weak ore]

have ur rgb strips back too

[safe meadow]

Just no isnt very informative lol. From my point in current design there are also two weird spaces just in a bit different places and sizes. I guess we can agree to disagree since theres no pleasing everyone thats was always true enough

[kind wasp]

@fallow spire do the changes that @winged birch suggested and give this man a reward

[minor ginkgo]

You could fit a few more on there

[dense ridge]

@kind waspagree!

[winged birch]

I just want the change so I can buy the board and be satisfied 😂

[heavy flax]

75 waiting room now...

[ebon sluice]

your version of photoshop isn't licensed, I can tell

[dense ridge]

i need the arrow keys to be righter to make a pre order...

[kind wasp]

imagine u buy it and see ur own change to it

[weary knoll]

it is gamer server

[dense ridge]

@weak oreits not funny bro

[winged birch]

Paint 3D

[buoyant jacinth]

I like this one

[sage reef]

this but with Light bar

[hexed dawn]

is that a nail file?

[heavy flax]

i beg

[ebon sluice]

a lightbar that tells me how far away UberEats is would be nice

[dense ridge]

@sage reefman there are a lot of freak keyboards! go and buy if u like asymmetrical design! there must be a symmetry on this top-tier gaming level keyboard !

[weak ore]

till the lightbar goes red and stops halfway

[kind wasp]

someone has a good video on gasket mounts?

[weak ore]

uh oh, rip delivery driver

[sage reef]

look at that image, with smaller Bezels it literally looks even better

arrows are not an issue with small bezels

[dense ridge]

@sage reefit look horrible!!!!

[kind wasp]

fr

[ebon sluice]

you want perfect symmetry - drive this!

[dense ridge]

thats the only right design

[verbal solar]

never punk

[winged birch]

Look at the top right corner and slowly look down. It is just off man.

[heavy flax]

no way they had this and came out with that

[kind wasp]

thats unsymmetrycal

[ebon sluice]

lol actually true

[verbal solar]

LOL

[kind wasp]

ohhh i want that

cleaning that would be so easy

[heavy flax]

they had it 6 years ago and still fucked it up 😭

[glad fable]

Why didn't they make the 80he now have a middle usb port 😔

[heavy flax]

yea i think its just a cut of twohe

[ebon sluice]

minus the floating caps it's pretty much perfect. that lip is firree

[kind wasp]

apex pro x wooting

[knotty cloud]

This made me LOL so hard

[hexed dawn]

no you don't understand because innovation, or some shit...

[knotty cloud]

That’s crazy bro

[knotty cloud]

This is Him

[heavy flax]

basically what they did

[winged birch]

Innovation is great, but symmetry is at a humans core 😂

[weak ore]

i read it the other way around
"this made me hard so LOL"

[heavy flax]

cant hate too much though but im pretty mad

[hexed dawn]

I align fonts and design elements for a living, the arrow keys bug the hell out of me, believe me

[weary knoll]

keyword is "much later in the prcoess"

[winged birch]

Many aren’t happy but it’s up to them to decide.

[weary knoll]

[winged birch]

I honestly think this will sell better with no cons.

[heavy flax]

yea i didnt rly care about that lol. id be happy if they made a pcba version of it though

[heavy flax]

is the design still up to change?

[kind wasp]

even the rgb alligns now

[heavy flax]

or is it over

[winged birch]

Calder said he was thinking about it.

[sage reef]

seriously, advantages of current:

1. It has charm to it (would lose it if moved)
2. the light bar fits better like this, because of the corner up-key makes and also because if you move the keys, the light will not be as much needed to fill the less empty space.
3. it's satisfactory when you realize it's a nicely fitted tetris block and not weirdly disconnected like alternative.
4. moving it leaves big empty space near the Ctrl key, making it seem like something is missing from the main layout.

[verbal solar]

I'm having such deja vu with this keyboard stuff

[winged birch]

Exactly

[kind wasp]

they thinking about changing it so i think they can change it

[heavy flax]

nice

[heavy flax]

yea i hope they at least shift the arrows over

[winged birch]

It is literally misaligned and you come up with imaginary pluses?

[ebon sluice]

call it a design quirk, much like HHKB's uneven blocker

[heavy flax]

but i'd like to have a regular tkl layout so i can just get the keycaps out from my ikbc (their keycaps are so good)

[weary knoll]

my assumption

1. h87-88 alike probably require more expensive mounting style (no go for wooting profit wise) or i am wrong since some mounting depend on pcb too

[verbal solar]

silence fortnite girl

[hexed dawn]

making it lopsided in the bottom right corner is terrible, the average brain is much less likely to notice the space in between unless it's suggested

[winged birch]

It’s not a quirk, it’s imperfection.

[fallow spire]

If anything, it’s cheaper, it’s a friction fit.

[weary knoll]

oring with h87-88 is fine
stiff plate like alu/cf or god aprroved Steel

thick pc might work too

[ebon sluice]

your solution still has the left arrow misaligned though, sure it's an improvement but not that much better

[hexed dawn]

so you agree it's an improvement

[winged birch]

One aligns in both direction and the other only in one.

[dense ridge]

@ebon sluiceits much better to be honest.. better then what we have now

[ebon sluice]

not enough for me to care about, I like it the way it is

[ebon sluice]

and the far edge of the left shift is sitting on top of the left arrow. that red line suddenly stops

[winged birch]

The arrow aligns with “End” it is aligned with the “main” keys still. It is in no direction offset.

[weak ore]

how many times are we gonna post this

[dense ridge]

@ebon sluice if they decide to make a spacebar a little bit longer then they can even make a gap between ctrl and left arrow the same as other gaps

[weary knoll]

1. Top mount/Oring
2. Gasket

[winged birch]

As Emder said, it is even aligned with the RGB strip.

[ebon sluice]

10u gigachad spacebar or nothing

[weary knoll]

oring require cut out tho

[sage reef]

light strip looks worse because of like 3 reasons if you move it

[verbal solar]

real, love u for that

[minor ginkgo]

Entire keyboard is a giant space bar. 1% keyboard

[weak ore]

dont forget the f

[tranquil void]

one of the targets apparently was to make it compatible with pretty much all keycap sets so we already know that won't happen

[ebon sluice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984799440072220692/1128520903706279967/Screenshot_2023-07-12_125643.png?ex=659e07fe&is=658b92fe&hm=50f8611a6b5747e2e319b5775756f7f4a41495a31377ef3bc5eed72e551b2ee3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1106&height=706

[verbal solar]

real shit

[winged birch]

Holy

[heavy flax]

can you even case swap the current version

[winged birch]

15u spacebar when bro WHENN

[weak ore]

you really fuck me got up

[ebon sluice]

lolol

[hexed dawn]

least deranged vim user

[verbal solar]

why are u obsessed with case swapping

[kind wasp]

just do this and its perfect

[ebon sluice]

oh not mine btw but I dig it

[dense ridge]

thats not necessary.. even if they dont.. the problem is the position of arrow keys if u ask me.. now the keeb is only for entusiasts! for me as a gamer that placement is not acceptable! i need more symmentry

[heavy flax]

i like the more premium feel over plastic

[winged birch]

IMO a very bad reason, they sell keycaps for most layouts themselves.

[verbal solar]

it will have zinc alloy too and its not like gasket mount shit can be case swapped

[tranquil void]

they did this in regard to a different keycap.

[winged birch]

Best. Second best:

[heavy flax]

cool

[kind wasp]

they stealing us 3 butttons and making it imperfect

[weak ore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-corn-gif-24417729

[ebon sluice]

get your commision fees sorted

[kind wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-26310880

[zinc hedge]

Are you ever gonna need those 3 buttons

[nova turtle]

I prefer 75%, as it's what I currently use but idk rather have a TKL then the 80HE layout. And non-standard layouts make it so much harder to mod

[winged birch]

I think TKL is completely off the table sadly.

[heavy flax]

this keyboard has to be a social experiment

[kind wasp]

yes to put it in a different case so it fits

[winged birch]

I wish

[sage reef]

stop being so boring, this is cool, fresh and charming design

[kind wasp]

its a joke not to just use the normal tkl 80% layout like i find when i search it on google

[zinc hedge]

yea man

[winged birch]

You prefer the misalignment over the aligned? Because I don’t think the chance for 75% or TKL are on the table still.

[heavy flax]

has to be

[minor ginkgo]

It is innovative to make it look horrible

[kind wasp]

fr

[verbal solar]

guys, you will buy it anyways

[zinc hedge]

Take inti account again they haven’t announced the features for the whole keyboard yet

[hexed dawn]

I don't think there is a lot of enthusiasm for this one, I think they'll see what people want eventually

[winged birch]

I will not.

[heavy flax]

REDEFINING INNOVATION

[minor ginkgo]

Definitely not

[verbal solar]

No...

[verbal solar]

u will i know it

[hexed dawn]

HAHAHA no

[kind wasp]

people want tkl and wooting just steals 3 buttons xD

[verbal solar]

u will

[hexed dawn]

nope. not a chance

[winged birch]

Loooook at it. LOOOK AT THE MISALIGNMENT

[fallow spire]

(Ignore the colors of 80He, its prototype)

[sage reef]

but arrow keys only charming in current position, if you move them, a lot of charm and "coherence" will be lost

[winged birch]

It’s even worse from the front. No offense

[dense ridge]

@fallow spirethe profile is good! just please! change the arrow keys position

[kind wasp]

u have a black one?

[verbal solar]

oof thats rlly bad

[winged birch]

Lukatim

[kind wasp]

i thought u only have the plastic ones with no colour

[verbal solar]

aintnoway, forsen viewer

[winged birch]

sez u

[ebon sluice]

make the plate black

[fallow spire]

I have full transparent and black ones. Just test injections etc.

[kind wasp]

u even have a tkl version

[heavy flax]

it's worth the space

[heavy flax]

thats an old wooting one i think

[verbal solar]

transparent with underglow rgb please

[zinc hedge]

Can we see the full top views

[glad fable]

I think bezels should be thinner for aesthetic purposes :p

[verbal solar]

the bezels are fine

[kind wasp]

take my money i want it rn

[verbal solar]

no..

[winged birch]

I think they can’t be because gasket mount

[left turtle]

the "cool" part was the criticism that 75% had misaligned arrow keys 😄 oops 😄 but all good 😄

[verbal solar]

they arew stop crying

[tranquil void]

right one looks like a pizza cutter that didn't go far enough
it will look odd.

[glad fable]

😔 oh well gasket mount is good anyways

[fallow spire]

I did try this, but we need new switches to make it work. Black plate doesn’t completely stop the. Bleed. It needs also solid color top case and led pipe

[nova turtle]

its actually crazy how much better that looks

[verbal solar]

they are not

[kind wasp]

gasket ruins the good things

[dense ridge]

@tranquil voidpizza cutter.. man wtf are u speaking about?

[winged birch]

Gasket sounds far better though

[heavy flax]

You do not, some of them arent even analog lol

[verbal solar]

the fact that this announcement divided the entire community is wild

[kind wasp]

just switch the switches

[winged birch]

🤣

[hexed dawn]

just internet thinx
honestly I just wanna simp for a tkl but this ain't it mane

[kind wasp]

can this break if i push it?

[heavy flax]

you cant theyre not hotswappable with each other (and i dont know if the hall effect switches from the old one are hotswappable)

[verbal solar]

forgot to ask, whats the typing angle and front height of the zinc aloy one?

[winged birch]

Can you make one over eachother. This one is at an angle as well

[glad fable]

I know the trademark is black and yellow but it's very uncommon so I think the feet should be black or grey to fit most setups

[winged birch]

4 I think

[left turtle]

well my friends, day is over ... next time when you say you ear the community and have the community in mind and so on ... just check how much division this release created.

Just release something that's it ... i think most of the frustration is the way you presented the product, and the fact that is not 100% in line with what the community was expecting, even if you said that it was ... 🙂

other than that, i expect the keyboard to be good 🙂

[nova turtle]

i swear the wack layout is so no one will copy it and they can sell more zinc cases

[verbal solar]

sweet

[kind wasp]

Calder has to potoshoot his keyboard in 30different angles

[verbal solar]

???????????

[buoyant jacinth]

As mentioned on stream, the yellow feet are just for prototypes, they will be different colours

[fallow spire]

We’re completely changing the color choices for 80HE. None of pictures are accurate. It won’t have yellow

[heavy flax]

this is a very good company but my problem with it is that they add too many quirks that make it so i wouldnt buy it

[glad fable]

ooo ok good to know

[verbal solar]

we need frosted pc with underglow

[fallow spire]

No, you’ll push against the switch plate

[kind wasp]

transperent would be a cool option

[minor ginkgo]

I don't think there is much division. I think it is pretty universally hated except by a few people

[verbal solar]

why try to reinvent the wheel again? :/

[buoyant jacinth]

Transparent feet?

[kind wasp]

can it bend?

[kind wasp]

yes

[verbal solar]

LOL

[fallow spire]

It doesn’t bend, it sits directly on the switch plate but isn’t attached to it

[nova turtle]

it's my conspiracy. it's the only reason that would make sense that they wouldn't align the arrow keys at least

[winged birch]

It’s not a great angle but man oh man 🤣

[verbal solar]

that is the lowest iq take possible

[kind wasp]

more from the left

[hexed dawn]

you could drive a dump truck through there

[dense ridge]

@fallow spirewhat was the reason that u decided to place arrow keys like this?

[fallow spire]

If we went standard TKL, you could still not use other cases.

[winged birch]

This is in the best possible angle it can be in.

[verbal solar]

@nova turtle gasket mount can not case swap

[kind wasp]

what am i gonna say if people ask what size my keyboard is? tkl but with 3 switches missing

[heavy flax]

wait so why did you guys switch out the layout in the first place? any specific reason?

[zinc hedge]

Whats the msrp for it

[nova turtle]

@verbal solar yes you can...

[sage reef]

because of F keys distance I guess and stuff

[winged birch]

They’ll announce it next year before production starts I think.

[zinc hedge]

Im assuming like $210

[minor ginkgo]

Can't wait to be disappointed a second time

[fallow spire]

Choice between Kevin and me. There is a lot of division is what is good, but one just trades a con from another.

We have another thing that was initially part of the 80HE but has to separate for more development. When this is combined, the arrow placement felt better.

[winged birch]

I don’t care for the price if it’s this

[winged birch]

Beautiful

[kind wasp]

1k

[heavy flax]

i will say, even though i'm complaining about it, i think the keyboard looks very nice besides that part of it

[winged birch]

I’d do it but it’d have to be zinc alloy

[kind wasp]

even then its too much xD

[winged birch]

It does, that’s why I press this so much

It’s literally so close to perfection.

[minor ginkgo]

So you're going to have people buy it in hopes that this mysterious product you haven't announced will make it somewhat decent

[heavy flax]

yea id buy it in a heartbeat too if they changed those arrows

[kind wasp]

what if they gonna switch to a normal tkl because of this imperfection xD

[winged birch]

It’s funny how it’s such a small detail with such a massive difference in aesthetics.

[dense ridge]

@fallow spireso we can not wait that the placment of arrow keys will be changed?

[sage reef]

read this if you think arrows must be moved #🌟│wooting80he message

[heavy flax]

i thought they tried to make it stop 🗿

[kind wasp]

they made it worse xD

[winged birch]

You made no point in that man, you did the opposite even.

[verbal solar]

ye that title really was forshadowing

[minor ginkgo]

I read it and still think they need to be moved

[winged birch]

Tureeeeee

[fallow spire]

We played around a lot with the layout but wanted to have a 4 key grid for a reason. TKL 6 key grid wasn’t ideal and the extra space under it would make it look weird with what we had in minds

[hexed dawn]

arrow key placement would make it far more presentable but it's still an odd duck with its arbitrary lack of keys. I don't get what this improves vs a standard TKL. I guess it's new, but innovation for innovation's sake is rarely a good idea

[verbal solar]

i'll forgive it, if i can buy one early for high price 🗿

[winged birch]

You could even have an extra key next to the top arrow or what someone else suggested, the wooting logo

[sage reef]

and the light bar looks weirder if you move the keys, instead of current

[minor ginkgo]

It's Innovation

[kind wasp]

u got prototyps?

on pictures it always looks different then irl

[dense ridge]

@fallow spire this is my last question... so we can not wait that the placment of arrow keys will be changed?

[heavy flax]

fair enough, you guys can do whatever you want with it. will extra keycaps be included in it so i can remap the keyboard if i buy it?

[fallow spire]

The light bar helps break up and separate it cluster from the arrow keys. It also compliments what we have envisioned for the 4 key grid

[left turtle]

you already said that 100x times, we know my friend ...

[zinc hedge]

Nah its gonna look to clustered

[verbal solar]

80he is meh I don’t rlly care for it looks bland

[kind wasp]

nahh

[winged birch]

@lament heron your opinion was drastically different not too long ago.

[zinc hedge]

Too much going on in the keyboard

[fallow spire]

If arrow keys could just be a 4 key grid and not a weird Tetris triangle shape, that’d be great.

[nova turtle]

1: its not charming it looks bad
2: the light bar is fine but you could also fill the empty space with keys or just leave it
3: it still has a gap and doesn't fit like a Tetris piece

[winged birch]

At least they’d be aligned

[winged birch]

With the RGB strip as well

[kind wasp]

i have to go to bed soon but i just wanna know if u change the arrow keys

[heavy flax]

wait there no way people actually wanted this though it looks strange

[verbal solar]

Why do u guys care ab a empty space like your just not picking everything

[sage reef]

like aesthetically it just looks better currently because of those things I mentioned, like current much better than what they post

[verbal solar]

This is the ugliest piece of shit I’ve ever seen

[nova turtle]

most people perfer spaced 75%

[kind wasp]

clean tho

[dense ridge]

@fallow spire There is no chance that the placment of arrow keys will be changed?

[verbal solar]

This is perfect

[heavy flax]

honestly i want extra space/ wasted space on my keyboard

[verbal solar]

Bro u guys r really just nitpicking all the aesthetics of this keyboard. Do you guys forget this is a gaming priotized keyboard? Looks is not the first choice

[winged birch]

I’m gonna sleep asweel, it’s 4AM lmao. @fallow spire if you won’t change it it’s fine, if you’re not sure, do a poll. I’ve tried my best. Again, one is symmetrical in both directions and the other is NOT. GN guys!

[kind wasp]

for u too xD

[hexed dawn]

the two and 60HE manage to be goated for gaming and look good at the same time, this doesn't

[verbal solar]

We are the ones spending money on it though

[minor ginkgo]

Hopefully with the amount of hate this is getting on both here and Reddit they at least consider changing it

[heavy flax]

oh yea you're right this looks pretty good

[verbal solar]

The 60he is a 60% there isn’t much you can can mess up

[verbal solar]

It’s a gaming keyboard

[dense ridge]

i am afraid that they will not 😦

[verbal solar]

Not a custom

[heavy flax]

yea they'd probably see like a 10% increase in sales just for making it a regular tkl design lol

[kind wasp]

@heavy flax @dense ridge

[minor ginkgo]

I get wanting to do what you envisioned but maybe you should at least consider the fact that no one wants to buy it like it is

[verbal solar]

Such a bad take. The price is almost the same as some customs. We are allowed to have standards and not just accept whatever is given to us

[heavy flax]

man

[sage reef]

you're like some cavemen rushing towards "misaligned, moved good now" without realize what you did, not considering the original or the result of moving, just "misaligned, move need"

[verbal solar]

The price is $180 for the 60he so the 80% shouldn’t be much more and the reason it cost that much is because it’s one of the most advanced gaming keyboard on the market. And by “we” they don’t have to listen to you and they don’t have to give a shit ab what you accept or not

[heavy flax]

i just want them to change it though

[kind wasp]

would be stpd if it isnt a big expense

[bitter dune]

The argument here is they don't know if is just rejection of the change, or an objective negative.. even though the entire planet uses aligned arrow block >.>

[heavy flax]

i dont think anyone would be mad if they changed it

[minor ginkgo]

Other HE keyboards are catching up pretty fast

[kind wasp]

but then they didnt "stop" it

[verbal solar]

Didn’t stop what

[sage reef]

I seriously would not like it

[rocky kiln]

GMMK Pro layout is great, everything else about it, not so great

[kind wasp]

the people asking for tkl

[heavy flax]

yea but wooting basically has the whole market right now its a game of keeping their share

[nova turtle]

if q1 he software is good... and it is open source

[heavy flax]

just curious, why not?

[minor ginkgo]

They should give a shit if no one buys it. This is a product people need to buy for it to be successful

[sage reef]

I explained many times

[tranquil void]

same

[verbal solar]

Bro people asking for every size dude like it’s pointless if you’re just the market for a wooting that means you want the best gaming performance not a keyboard to be in 20 different sizes

[tranquil void]

you'll buy it anyway

[kind wasp]

just search tkl and 80% and tell me its the same

[left turtle]

This is an expensive keyboard first of all. If it’s for gaming or not that is the user that will decide 😜

[minor ginkgo]

Definitely not buying it

[bitter dune]

Either way, the 80HE is a demonstration why monopolies are bad, wooting has the best hardware so people will have to buy it anyway.

[tranquil void]

no problem, other people are queuing up

[minor ginkgo]

I am not going to buy something that I hate in hopes some unannounced addon that I will get to pay more for down the line will make it look okay

[minor ginkgo]

Where? I have yet to see these people

[verbal solar]

Buy it or not doesn’t matter that’s not what I’m trying to say, it’s just everyone is yapping about how it looks when they forget the main targeted audience of this keyboard they need to lay off with all the critiquing of this keyboard. It’s a keyboard. It’s not suited to your standards.

[tranquil void]

Remember when 60HE launched and god forbid anyone to buy it because it wasn't a 65

[dense ridge]

belive me or not but i will not buy it if they will not change the position of arrow keys.. i just cant use a keyboard which has a design like this

[fallow spire]

This, but your arrow argument doesn’t hold with a 75%, the arrows don’t align to either side.

[kind wasp]

nah people wanted that 60 because of the ducky

[verbal solar]

This is the funniest shit I’ve seen all day

[ebon sluice]

yeah but gamers don't want boring though, there's enough redeeming features to offset the arrow cluster. And number #1 performance. All else is just a bonus imo

[rocky kiln]

If the design of the keyboard is around an addon, wouldn't it be better just to have it included stock?

[heavy flax]

yea. it looks janky

[minor ginkgo]

Oh so you're speculating that maybe in the future people will want to buy it and passing that off as fact

[fallow spire]

This literally doesn’t align either horizontal or vertically for example

[tranquil void]

that's a progression you'll see on this too.

[hexed dawn]

I think it does look quite boring tho

[minor ginkgo]

But the issue with that is this way gets more money

[sage reef]

@heavy flax here is why #🌟│wooting80he message

[nova turtle]

the problem is it would be easy to align the 80he and it would look better

[heavy flax]

please release a pcba of a regular tkl though 🙏

[verbal solar]

the tofu84 and kbd75 were the only ones with actually aligned shit

[fallow spire]

You don’t. You shift to the right and the left arrow is now aligned anymore

[verbal solar]

Dude why do people care so much about the looks aesthetic isn’t their main priority

[verbal solar]

That’s hideous

It looks like a brick

well it is aligned

[minor ginkgo]

This entire hobby is about aesthetics.

[verbal solar]

xD?

[heavy flax]

oh yea the rgb strip would look better with the current layout lol

[hexed dawn]

so now you care about aesthetics?

[fallow spire]

This design chooses to cramp all keys together. Then you get F-row not having gaps and allocating arrow key arguments (ignoring keycap compatibility)

[minor ginkgo]

Literally why expensive keyboards exist

Aesthetics

[tranquil void]

overaligned
too much of a grid and it's too static

[verbal solar]

never said its a good idea, but ye just as an example

[verbal solar]

This isn’t a custom keyboard modding discord this is a gaming keyboard discord their completely different

for better or for worse even with the arrow key issue i like the design of the wooting 80 he

its slick and sick

[rocky kiln]

hopefully this is not a GMMK Numpad situation...

[verbal solar]

you guys did good

[verbal solar]

That’s a custom keyboard we’re aesthetics should matter

[dense ridge]

Calder! everything is fine! just change the placment of the arrow keys to make the keyboard more acceptable for casual gamers and tkl users! now with such a placment its only for entusiasts even many of them dont like it

[zinc hedge]

Was there when it announced, some people were hyping it up

[heavy flax]

please bro this keyboard is so sexy just do one tweak im begging

[minor ginkgo]

If they didn't matter why would they sell other keycaps, or alumaze cases, or make the 60HE a standard size so you can put it in any 60% case

[tranquil void]

no it will not improve it.

[kind wasp]

this channel is a war rn

[verbal solar]

ye it looks rlly good

its a shame i hate over 65%

[zinc hedge]

They should include the Tag again

[kind wasp]

why?

[verbal solar]

I honestly hope they don’t move the key or wtv and I don’t even care ab how it looks I just want everyone to get mad and still buy it

[ebon sluice]

yeah but there's no such design that pleases everyone

[verbal solar]

i simply do and more mouse space

the 60 he for me was the perfect product except for the gasket mount

[minor ginkgo]

Well no but this seems to be pleasing like three people

[heavy flax]

looks janky imo but it would be cool with a custom tag

[verbal solar]

🤦‍♂️

[kind wasp]

i can fit 2 60% between my mouse and keyboard

[verbal solar]

That’s your table?

[zinc hedge]

Pretty sure they were doing that with the 60he

[kind wasp]

what?

[verbal solar]

Wooting ortholinear ??

[verbal solar]

Literally nowhere near right

[nova turtle]

Okay I see what you mean but what other layout aligns the left arrow key with the backspace. I feel like I would perfer there to be a gap seperating the arrow keys. I don't like compact 75% for that reason.

[verbal solar]

i can fit 10 if thats the point, but its not

[heavy flax]

oh yea

[verbal solar]

I’m saying not everyone has that desk space

[hexed dawn]

I'm just now reading the comments on the 80HE reddit thread, savage

[kind wasp]

holy are u hugging ur table while gaming?

[ebon sluice]

it's always a vocal minority who want to bring out their pitchforks. sure there's some valid points but really, is another TKL in the market what we need? I may as well watch paint dry

[heavy flax]

im not sure who actually struggles with the space on their desk besides people who can't buy a wooting

[verbal solar]

i have a huge desk and use a TV as a monitor but i still like small keyboards

[sage reef]

but issue is when you center gap between G and H keys with your body and like monitor for typing, that's when the extra mouse space really matters

[zinc hedge]

Send

[verbal solar]

Not going to even question that

[hexed dawn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/comments/18too54/wooting_80he_officially_announced/

[verbal solar]

there is no question to be had

60% is small does all i need and looks good

[kind wasp]

fr if ur table so small dont buy a keyboard first

[verbal solar]

my table is 180x80

[verbal solar]

Yeah fs I bought one? Not what I’m talking ab I find a 60% the perfect size for the wooting

[minor ginkgo]

Some people have limited space

[kind wasp]

would u laugh at me for more then 60%?

[verbal solar]

why would i laugh

the whole point of buying smth is for it to fit ur needs

[kind wasp]

i need the rgb strip

[verbal solar]

if it does, who tf cares

[verbal solar]

💀💀💀

the rgb strip is cool but it would fuck with glossy monitors so certainly turning it off

[kind wasp]

how fast u wrote that made me laugh

[heavy flax]

id only use rgb if i have it

[slender crown]

Thanks for sharing and putting so much thought into this. As long as gaming continues to be as effective I look fwd to the few extra keys for productivity workflows.

[heavy flax]

rgb strip doesnt really mean anything to me

[kind wasp]

they said it has extra features

i need to know what they are

[minor ginkgo]

Instead we get to wait a month to find out

[kind wasp]

whats so special about those 10 rgb dots then the others

[heavy flax]

Misalignment

[minor ginkgo]

I wonder how many Apex TKLs were sold today after this announcement

[kind wasp]

true

unsatisfaction on its best

[slender crown]

Extra feature guesses:
UWU setup?
Knob (led is scale)
Screen

[heavy flax]

😭

[kind wasp]

i have one rn xD

[heavy flax]

single livestream caused wootings market share in this market to drop 30%

[outer moon]

And drunken deer a75

[rocky kiln]

cant stand steelseries GG bloatware

[kind wasp]

if they dont align it i am gonna get the 60% and if they do i am gonna but the "TKL" for the rgb strip and the gasket mount

[heavy flax]

just googled this, so why is wooting more popular than drunkdeer?

is the analog and rapid trigger functions better on wooting?

[warped ruin]

yes, having tried both, the wooting implementation is much better and accurate

[heavy flax]

get a wooting two and chop off the numpad

[kind wasp]

u only have to use what u need the aim trainer is just a bit too much fr

[verbal solar]

zero, Steelseries is so cheap only the 60% part of the TKL has hall effect switches, the arrows and frow are mechanic

[kind wasp]

u understand me

[minor ginkgo]

Oh okay, I didn't know you had sales data for every retail chain

[heavy flax]

aw man 😭 wouldve pulled out my wallet right then and there

[gaunt cypress]

Sorry but wtf is this layout

Are they trying to kill customization

[kind wasp]

someone playing valorant?

[verbal solar]

V can u stroke my Johnson

[kind wasp]

does the wooting instantly stop there where i led the key go? or do i still have that little slide

[verbal solar]

bro ur not case swapping this regardless

[buoyant jacinth]

I'd like to know what customization is being killed

[kind wasp]

cases

[warped ruin]

ya, when I ordered it initially, this and the software being ass is what ultimately made me refund it. Really hoping for them to work out the kinks, cause they could otherwise be a really good competitor

[verbal solar]

even if they announce a traymount 65% it will be way less customizable than the 60he

[heavy flax]

yea, they even have a knob! (best feature)

[minor ginkgo]

Tofu rereleased their case because of Wooting users wanting it. Nothing like that will happen with this

[verbal solar]

😏

[heavy flax]

Dude what the fuck is zinc alloy

[verbal solar]

I have the same question ngl

[kind wasp]

what if u have a tkl case u like and wanted to use for the wooting?

[verbal solar]

ye but thats official

[tranquil void]

metal heavier than aluminium

[lament saffron]

Essentially 60% is the only real standardized form factor. Even larger than that and custimization is already extremely limited.

[verbal solar]

you fucking cant

[heavy flax]

very cool

[verbal solar]

TKL is not standardized

[tranquil void]

an alloy is a mix of metals

[verbal solar]

Holly brain dead

[tranquil void]

zinc alloy means zinc is the main ingredient

[minor ginkgo]

I am glad Doc is in here. they have all the data on what people buy and what people want. So useful

[kind wasp]

but if u search it on google its 99% the same

[verbal solar]

75% TKL and gasket mounted are not standardized in any way

[heavy flax]

yea i just googled it

[tranquil void]

aye

[verbal solar]

either way they'd go the 60HE will remain the most customizable

Don’t whip me master V

[kind wasp]

if i eat it its gonna kill me?

[heavy flax]

Bro....

[verbal solar]

What do you fucking think

[tranquil void]

I wouldn't advise eating metal in those amounts

[verbal solar]

exactly

[heavy flax]

hope this isnt that disappointing either

[kind wasp]

i go to sleep its too late i am fkn stpd

[verbal solar]

Emder r u off a perk

[kind wasp]

no f row :c

[tranquil void]

oh and yes

[verbal solar]

did u really post a finalmouse product and call it not disappointing?

[minor ginkgo]

FInal mouse specializes in disappointment

[zinc hedge]

Is that a final mouse keyboard???

[verbal solar]

U said what if I put a wooting 60he module and a tkl then ur saying would I die if I eat a metal case

[tranquil void]

if you ate the zinc alloy case you'd die

[heavy flax]

oh word.. nvm

[tranquil void]

what a suprise

[outer moon]

Lauched first, had more budget and 2 years released > less than a year.

[zinc hedge]

im so used to calling them final mouse

[verbal solar]

i'd eat it for you

What’s drunkdeer

[ebon sluice]

it says pure magic, pretty much guarantees you countless hours of happiness

[heavy flax]

yea, ive bought two mice from them and they weren't disappointing at all

[zinc hedge]

Keyboard that compares eith wooting

[heavy flax]

yea

[kind wasp]

gn8 guys align the arrow keys peace out

[minor ginkgo]

https://www.drunkdeer.com/products/adjustable-keyboard-magnetic-switch-a75

[verbal solar]

Never heard of it or it being compared to the wooting

Probably some sorry ass company

[verbal solar]

i feel like some people believe apple marketing too much and this is why we have the situation we have rn

V you haven’t responded to me yet

[zinc hedge]

nah, good company with good keyboards

[minor ginkgo]

Why are you judging a company right after saying you've never heard of them lol

[verbal solar]

I see you typing V

[verbal solar]

lol

[outer moon]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/drunkdeer/drunkdeer-g65-gaming-keyboardkey-to-unleashing-potential?ref=creator-nav

[verbal solar]

via is ok

[zinc hedge]

Not completely comparable with wooting but they are close to

[minor ginkgo]

I like vial

[verbal solar]

Yeah he already sent me it Broski

[heavy flax]

drunkdeer has the potential to catch up if wooting keeps this up

[minor ginkgo]

So does keychron, they're going to have web based software

Everyone is going to catch up and wooting is going to fall behind

[verbal solar]

??????????????

bro these takes are insane

chop off 3 keys from a TKL=company dead holy shit

[ebon sluice]

fr my iphone 12 mini is still going strong

[tranquil void]

this won't happen so easily

[outer moon]

Ye imagine if they lauched at the same time..

[minor ginkgo]

No one said company dead?

Just that others would catch up

[buoyant jacinth]

I'd like to remind everyone to enjoy the new year, and spend it with your loved ones (or loved keyboards) 🙂

[verbal solar]

i use iphone 13 pro max, but nice choice

[verbal solar]

i have 2 females for that

my wooting 60he and wooting 60he+ module

[weak ore]

same

[heavy flax]

yea, my problem with this is that it's been more than a year since their last release (besides uwu) and it's a massive disappointment

[verbal solar]

🐏👈🏿

[minor ginkgo]

Which other companies are going to get better with

[weak ore]

LOL, look at all the big companies trying to mimic, if they aint anywhere near, i doubt smaller companies have the capacity to

[verbal solar]

btw this will have pcb mounted stabs right in it ye?

[tranquil void]

it's a massive disappointment for you, but you're not the only one in the world.

people narcissistic as shit fr

[heavy flax]

Read the room

[verbal solar]

i mean if i wanted the product, the arrow shit wouldn't piss me off

[minor ginkgo]

Not liking something is narcissitic

[tranquil void]

There is no more to be read.

[verbal solar]

objectively speaking it is a good product

Doing better than razor

[heavy flax]

this guys just avoiding all context 🗿

[verbal solar]

the biggest complaint is the layout the rest is fine

Yes they have opium made a whole video about it

[heavy flax]

layout was all that was desired by people though

[verbal solar]

Just say u want to want to put it in

[zinc hedge]

Wild take

[verbal solar]

I gotta rewatch the video

[tranquil void]

Layout is what it is.
Not my favourite either but it won't change.

so quit this whining of thine

[hexed dawn]

I think it has a lot to do with expectations, people found it self-explanatory they'd get a two HE with the numpad filed off, instead they got this

[minor ginkgo]

Imagine if people didn't "whine" about the Sonic movie and it was never changed to what people actually wanted

[verbal solar]

ye but all they said is its between a 60 and 104 layout

[tranquil void]

people whined about diversity in big companies and now all Disney characters are black

[verbal solar]

LMFAO

[hexed dawn]

we wuz lion king an shit

[minor ginkgo]

That isn't comparable lol

[tranquil void]

yours isn't either

totally different case

[verbal solar]

💀💀

[ebon sluice]

oh god, cry me a river