🌟│wooting80he

[lament saffron]

First!

[rustic idol]

Wohoo!

[kind cosmos]

YOO

[blissful orbit]

4

[spark hound]

lol

[torn tree]

boo

[arctic gust]

lets goooo

[toxic kestrel]

wooot

[tight cypress]

Woooo!

[glad fable]

woot woot

[lethal abyss]

who counts messages to say 80th

[kind cosmos]

naah

[glad fable]

also the sides c:

[buoyant solstice]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he

FAQ

Q: What is the Founders Campaign?
A: Our founder campaigns are basically month long pre-order events, where any order placed gets some special benefits.

These include being first in line to receive their products, a colourful decorative role here on Discord and maybe some accessories (more information to come)

Once the campaign is over, those benefits are no longer available.

Q: A specific key isn't shown (such as Delete). Is it included?
A: Yes! We include a full set (except for the numpad cluster) with the board!

Q: What case options will be available?
A: PCR and zinc alloy will both be available at launch and deliver at the same time

[silk quartz]

imo arrow keys should be centered

[tight cypress]

I think that way is better, you can rest your pinky on keeb

[glad fable]

Zinc Alloy Case incoming for 80HE (Case itself is 1.3kg)

[safe marlin]

hi

[foggy kayak]

Guess I’m buying another wooting.

[lament saffron]

PC Plate

[silent cloud]

I was here lol

[outer moon]

80he the best layout of all time..

[lament saffron]

Gasket Mount

[safe marlin]

i like the layout tbh

[buoyant solstice]

I love that we're not just doing "TKL" like everyone else. It has a nice twist on it, without making it incompatible with the things most people care about - Keycaps.

[safe marlin]

agree

[grim wind]

I am the 80HE Prophet. Bow before me.
https://vxtwitter.com/hex_cody/status/1735939392294846890

[foggy kayak]

I can live without the num pad. But everything else is just a W

[jolly tangle]

these bastards knew it all along https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1149710943127867493

[tight gust]

Is the case it comes with metal?

[heady aspen]

Is there some custom cases that are compatible ? Didnt see things like this

[barren forge]

love the lightbar

[buoyant solstice]

TKL has a much, much less established standard for cases compared to 60%, so that isn't as relevant here.

Also lets be honest the vast majority of 60HE third party cases were ours or the Tofu anyway 😄

[odd tinsel]

I like it, looking forward to this one. And the key cluster at top right is more useful to me than a knob.

[buoyant solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-world-gif-10719765462211056466

[tight cypress]

I was first 😝 #💬│general message

[glad fable]

Founder's Campaign starts January 25th ;o

[foggy kayak]

I get my bonus then anyways. Wooting #3 here we come

[rich hollow]

Im so glad I waited for this instead of buying the 60HE

[jolly tangle]

i hope you guys like gasket mounts

[grim wind]

We need custom prophet roles

[fallow lance]

I like it. The only thing that I don't like is how the arrows are pushed right up to the right shift key.
Think it'd be better aligning the right arrow with the page down button and leaving a little gap between the shift.

[amber bolt]

was hoping to finally have a good custom that can game
wanted to swap it into a top mount tkl
never happening now that this took the name of 80 instead of 75

[jolly tangle]

a TKL is 80%

[candid karma]

I think this would also look better

and there's space

[foggy kayak]

I’m excited to just be apart of a founder’s campaign 🤣

[candid karma]

(on the top case, not sure what the PCB looks like below)

[late whale]

Ah shit, here we go again

[glad fable]

OK so
Comes at a 2.8 Degree Angle
Comes with 7 and 10 degree angle feet
Gasket Mount
PC Plate
Stock Case made of PCR plastic
Will be able to purchase a Zinc Alloy Case (weighs 1.3kg itself)
Compatible with all keycap sets because of its layout
ANSI layout, ISO layout, and JIS layout

[grim wind]

The only missed opportunity is they should have named it the "Ticklish" (TKL-ish) .Rapid triggers being very sensitive to fingers and what not it fits soooo well. Would have been so cursed and so awesome.

[weary knoll]

Die cast

[late whale]

Oh

Zink case

[next osprey]

yeah its not terrible, i was kinda jumping on the hate bandwagon in general for a bit
from what ive seen though, most of the people that want customize their keyboard are going to end up buying keycaps that include a non standard right shift

[late whale]

Does it support screw in stabs?

[covert stag]

2.8 degree iirc, not 0

[glad fable]

😔 darn

[covert stag]

:D

[tight cypress]

I wonder if it's going to be full Tachyon or split to 2 sections, just like 2HE is split to 3 in focus mode

[amber bolt]

it's not too late, rename this to wooting 75he

[late whale]

I was thinking of buying it if there is gonna be a metal case available

Eh

Ig I have a month before a founders campaign to save up some money

[rich hollow]

Same

[tight cypress]

Rename 2HE to 100HE and release 40HE

[jolly tangle]

@lament saffron pochizo is helping you with the modding faq i see

[glad fable]

77.5%HE

[late whale]

Hi Arden, long time no see btw

[hoary hull]

what is this

[amber bolt]

the percentage never correlated to begin with

[supple ember]

there was something planned for the 4 keys

[lament saffron]

Might still be 🙂

[amber bolt]

its a 75, no matter how you look at it

[supple ember]

seems so, erik is hinting at it

[tight cypress]

Replaceable USB daughterboard

[real gulch]

this is not an uwu2 🥲

[late whale]

Well, the only thing that im scared of is the shipping. Ptsd from Uwu

[upbeat berry]

going back to anything thats not the 60he or uwu lol

[rich hollow]

What happend with that if ya dont mind me asking?

[foggy kayak]

How long was your wait?

[late whale]

It got delayed for a couple of months, and then ups also kinda fucked up

[upbeat berry]

JIS reveal

[buoyant solstice]

Konichiwa bishes.

[foggy kayak]

I thought my 20 day wait was bad.

[late whale]

6-7 month from the moment I spent my money

[buoyant solstice]

JIS all over the place.

[foggy kayak]

[upbeat berry]

jis in my pants bag

[rich hollow]

Jeez Ow

[late whale]

But I love my uwu

[glad fable]

ANSI Layout, ISO Layout, and JIS Layout? 🤔

[wind berry]

will there be an orange color?

[late whale]

It performs amazing

[grim wind]

The LED bar, does it have a function? or is it just RGB to make my computer run faster?

[real gulch]

is the preorder date out?

[humble cargo]

think it'll show pressure like the touch rgb mode is now

[tight cypress]

It measures woot
I guess LED bar will be customizable in Wootility and work like lightbar on UwU

[buoyant solstice]

https://wooting.io/wooting-80he
Campaign page is counting down.

[rich hollow]

I just started getting into Osu, and I am terrible with money so I was so tempted to buy it.

[real gulch]

Thank you

i did google it but search engine needs some time ig

[foggy kayak]

The uwu ain’t do me any good since getting it. I’m faster but I still suck.

[late whale]

So the price is unknown yet?

[rich hollow]

Yeah

[buoyant solstice]

That is correct.

[late whale]

Prayge less than 300 bucks with the zink case

[foggy kayak]

Another $200 down the drain to wooting come January.

[rich hollow]

My wallet

Right after I go to disney 😭

[late whale]

Btw does it support screw in stabs?

[foggy kayak]

$60 uwu
$213 60he
$??? 80he 😭

[fierce terrace]

@buoyant solstice the confirmation email after signing up for the 80HE newsletter is currently a 60HE order email

[grim wind]

Damn got a shout out from Erik!

[late whale]

Lmaooo

Free 60he for signing for the 80HE

[jolly tangle]

baha back from the dephs

[rustic jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/oop-take-my-money-gif-23438077

[late whale]

Hewwo

I told u that I’ll buy a new wooting kb

[glad fable]

👀 quiz time

[jolly tangle]

25th the preorder opens

join the quizz baha

​https://quizizz.com/join?gc=274585

[glad fable]

omgggg

[tight cypress]

Lethal Company

[glad fable]

I already have lethal company xd

[desert atlas]

will there be a long wait after preordering ?

[late whale]

Let me cook

[buoyant solstice]

The 60HE and UwU had a 6-9 month wait.

That's all I'll say for now, @desert atlas

[dense badger]

We have lethal company at home (?)

[heady agate]

OH MAN that do be looking fire

Looks like aluminium case as well?

[buoyant solstice]

PRICES

[topaz fulcrum]

what is the price going to be?

[glad fable]

https://quizizz.com/join?gc=274585

[barren forge]

look 5-10 cm above your text

[glad fable]

if the quizz includes dates im fucked

[late whale]

Saving money speedrun

[lament saffron]

Oh dang, I cant play haha

[buoyant solstice]

60%

[late whale]

i did terribly kekw

i fucked up on the uwu question

[topaz fulcrum]

the price of the wooting 80he ofcourse

[late whale]

im 13th kekw

[glad fable]

guys

I already flunked that shit LMAO

[foggy kayak]

I got 50%. Not bad for not studying 🤣

[barren forge]

it will be announced after 26 days

[glad fable]

LOOL ME TOO

[tiny tartan]

Zinc

[topaz fulcrum]

aight

[next osprey]

133rd ez clap

[topaz fulcrum]

thank you

[topaz fulcrum]

do you think it will be over 250 euros?

[sly ingot]

what percent do i need on thje quiz to win something

[barren forge]

idk man

[buoyant solstice]

You needed all ten answers correct and to be among the first three to answer all questions.

[fallow lance]

slight arrow nudge to the right but personally I think it looks better (THIS IS AN EDITED PIC JS)

[midnight iron]

honestly i hope the zinc case is blackout like the photos without the silver. Those side example photos look nice

but maybe there'll be multiple options for colors

[foggy kayak]

[supple ember]

same

[rich hollow]

50% I passed

[midnight iron]

if it's actually same as the side profile photos up above then it's actually very nice looking

[grim wind]

Erik gave me a shoutout for the render i did. My man!
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaBzAYD90l8-3IEwwjjvqCoPK6NJOl2NX

[glad fable]

9 people got 10 right...who's the winner LMAO

[worthy solstice]

the one who got the most points

[supple ember]

yeah they pretty much gave the layout away with that riot sign teaser lol

[glad fable]

truu

[sage reef]

did they show the arm rest? or that it will come

[rich hollow]

We broke quizizz

[glad fable]

welp

[languid ferry]

@torn breach congrats !

[glad fable]

congrats yoo

[rich hollow]

Congrats

[median stone]

congrats @torn breach

[glad fable]

im proud of getting the amount of keys on the uwu right

[late whale]

Wait i just realised smth

im going to the uni in a couple of month

ah fuck, i wont be able to buy it

ughh

[torn breach]

thanks guys

[late whale]

im so sadge

[rich hollow]

I got the swiches correct LOL

[torn breach]

what was 3rd place's award again it looked so silly lmao

[rich hollow]

I totally just guessed

[late whale]

ig sadly im not getting the 80HE this year, maybe like next year

[upbeat berry]

the one of a kind metal plate with our unofficial official mascot. also ill buy it from you

[late whale]

@jolly tangle should i really get it considering that i wont be able to use it properly in like 3-4 years?

[jolly tangle]

huh?

[midnight iron]

gasket mount kind of scares me. They're going to have to make it super stiff gasket to not screw over the 0.15 rt

[late whale]

the kb, i cant really decide

[limpid hound]

Nice design but why no gold accent piece on the left side? why LED lights on the right side?

[jolly tangle]

ah

[late whale]

im leaving the country for uni and i wont take my gaming stuff w me

[jolly tangle]

you know best friend

[real jewel]

Does anyone knows the price already?

[late whale]

nah

[weary knoll]

or super thick PC plate

top mount probably work too

i dont know if it is more expensive to implement than gasket or not

[midnight iron]

i want an fr4 plate and not pc honestly, especially if it's gasket mount

[serene zephyr]

will there be any more difference than the size of the new 80h? any intern change?

[midnight iron]

I hope there's no compromise of performance because we already have examples of early gasket mount HEs not working without very stiff changes since bouncing ruins rapid trigger performance at 0.15

[late whale]

ig i wont get it rn, Ill wait for a couple of years and get a wooting 5 80HE when its probably gonna be released in a couple of years kekw

[midnight iron]

booq75 had to change the plate to super stiff to compensate already

[late whale]

GL guys with ur orders

and ill need some luck in uni

[jolly tangle]

goodluck

[late whale]

thankes

[strong wadi]

Strange layout

[sage reef]

oh wait, I confused End key with Del. why isn't Del key there instead of End? who even uses End more than Del?
we get Del keycap with order I guess?

[next holly]

Looks great, curious about the light strip

[buoyant solstice]

Put whichever you want there.

[keen walrus]

Hopefully there's an option without that LED strip on the 80he

[tiny tartan]

Is there a list of the new things the keyboard will have
Talking points

[tiny tartan]

Ya lol

[wet star]

FUNCTION KEYS 🤩

[upbeat berry]

we always send a fullsize set

[haughty robin]

Is there even gonna be an aluminum case that will fit?

[sage reef]

ok nice

[upbeat berry]

i mean it will come in a zinc alloy version so no need for alu case really

[midnight iron]

Where do we signup to start the cult of blackout zinc alloy colorway

[haughty robin]

That’s good. I wasn’t sure since I missed the video and there aren’t many details online yet

[upbeat berry]

you can just skip around in the livestream

[paper bronze]

It says there’s ‘industry breaking’ features under the hood but what does that mean lol

[upbeat berry]

we stream on yt so its archived for basically eternity

[sage reef]

you could maybe have done the Home key like "Home/End" key, double tap to do End, and then have Del under. but yeah
probably possible to do still if you want to

[obtuse wagon]

What I wanna know, if not I will just do a regular pre-order

If I get my own silk screen symbol tho Im down

JIS layout is kinda dope tho

Why must ANSI have such a gigantic space bar

[safe meadow]

nudging arrow keys a little to the right would be perfect aesthetic-wise. Also RGB strip - if it doesnt have some serious functionality then im not a fan would rather have blank space here honestly.... Keys themselves are enough of a rainbow bling as is IMO.

[wet star]

Dr Breyer PHD MBE MIT KEYBOARD ENGINEER

[safe meadow]

Also just curious but how high is bottom? it is more or less Two HE high? asking since i have Two HE wrist rest and not sure if they will be "compatible"....

That being said otherwise i like it

[safe meadow]

Chill man i said IMO no big deal

[fallow lance]

#🌟│wooting80he message I said the same thing lol

[humble cargo]

now all you need is a big enter too

[midnight iron]

the real question is what keycaps to pair with 80he

[wet star]

why cant half the keyboard just be a big del key

[sage reef]

I wish keyboards had a larger Alt key, since it's often awkward reaching it with thumb, especially when shifting all keys in a game to the right
which would then make Spacebar smaller

[molten ember]

hard to find

maybe wooting might come out keycaps for it?

[wet star]

20$ per keycap sold individually

[midnight iron]

black i feel you either go really dark keycaps or white, in between shades don't look as clean

[wet star]

preorder for next year

[runic rain]

Will the 80he come with L60 switches?

[midnight iron]

they didn't say which switches but there's 2 pre assembled options and 1 without switches/keycaps

[runic rain]

You know if the countdown on the website is for the pre-order date? So 26 days?

[silk hedge]

So how many keys does the 80he have?

[midnight iron]

yeah it's to start of founders campaign

[silk hedge]

87?

[midnight iron]

they said 3 day founders campaign or something like that? Unless it was 30 but with an accent lol

[buoyant solstice]

Our campaigns are usually a month long or so.

[wet star]

any estimate on how long until first shipment

[midnight iron]

nothing except hoping for q2 2024

[silk hedge]

Q2

[dull halo]

I don't think I'm a fan of the layout, that arrow key is far too close. I also don't get the idea of the lightbar, is it a slider for like volume control or literally just a line of rgb?

[wet star]

yabai

[silk hedge]

We will find out suposedly during the founders campaing

[runic rain]

Although I just purchased the 60he after waiting for a TKL for almost two years I’m tempted to get the 80he

[tiny tartan]

That's a cool idea for volume control lol but I think it's just a random line of rgb

[silk hedge]

Might be battery life for wireless gaming lol

[safe meadow]

possibly ealier they said they will reveal more the closer we are to campaign

but didnt say details so it may not include everything we want to know

[jolly tangle]

just saying u can wait easily another 6 months probably

[runic rain]

Are there third party cases for the 80he like the 60% for more customization?

[runic rain]

I’m happy with the 60he. Don’t need the dedicated arrow keys and f keys

[jolly tangle]

tirade will work on the modding faq probably so keep an eye on that channel

[safe meadow]

ur already got it or not? if not theres alsways option of cancelling and ordering later

[midnight iron]

not really

[runic rain]

I got it this month

[wet star]

ardennnn when is EU 60HE shipment

[midnight iron]

it's a weird layout so you can't really have 3rd party cases

[dull halo]

I really wish they just did something like a sidewinder x6 board where the numpad was detachable and could be put either side of the board. That gave the absolute best layout for gaming AND productivity.

Like my 60he but prefer my lekker for dev work, would prefer if I could just move the numpad to the left to maximise mouse ergonomics !

[runic rain]

That’s what I figured

[uneven geode]

goofy ahh layout

[midnight iron]

yeah if the zinc alloy looks like the default photos on site with blackout it'll honestly be super clean

[jolly tangle]

thats depends on your batch

[safe meadow]

well 60 existed even before wooting no? even if not as popular as now. While 80 is highly unusual

[runic rain]

I like the design of the 80he. Especially how the front angled lip that’s on the 60he and two he is gone now

[wet star]

how do you see batch i ordered like 3 months ago

[safe meadow]

bc of this im a little sceptical if there will be enough interest in 80 cases from other manufacturers

[fallow spire]

Hopping on here for a moment

[runic rain]

It looks very clean

[humble cargo]

was it though

[fallow spire]

if there are any questions looking for answers

[humble cargo]

I just saw more and more of them leading up to 60HE

[safe meadow]

LED strip functionality? if it isnt secret xD

[midnight iron]

any news on switch compatibility? Same as 60he?

[safe meadow]

oh that too

[gilded kindle]

Hey Calder keep up the good work, typing this on my 60 HE <3

[velvet osprey]

eyo more renders

[humble cargo]

none of ya'll seem to have explored wootility

given the cluelessness surrounding the led bar

[fallow spire]

LED strip goal is to add a lot of interactivity and indication. It'll be a "bonus" indicator other than the per key light. Looking to do more on-board changing settings options.

[jolly tangle]

@quaint dune thanks for your hard work !!!

[tiny tartan]

Interesting

[fallow spire]

Still same switch type, but it'll be an updated version that has less wobble. We are working on making some serious moves forwards with switch in 2024.

[glad fable]

😮

[runic rain]

Such a clean premium design. Reminds me of a Lamborghini

[dire heath]

sorry if this was answered before but will there be multiple color options for the zinc alloy or plastic case? i think white would be very cool

[runic rain]

Amazing

[midnight iron]

praise jebus

[white furnace]

Whats an estimated price point?

[buoyant solstice]

TBA

[foggy kayak]

$900

[gilded kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragon-ball-z-unlimited-power-over9000-power-level-gif-12316102

[white furnace]

👍

[fallow spire]

I can't share anything on price yet, but we have price points we want to hit.

[wet star]

I would pay 900$ if i didnt have to wait a year

[runic rain]

When will the 80he start shipping?

[foggy kayak]

$900 on a keyboard is CRAZY

[safe meadow]

oh thats really interesting (new switches) Another question not really important but would like to know what are dimensions? especially bottom as i have Two HE wrist rest and i wonder if they will be "compatible"

[gilded kindle]

Before 2026

[foggy kayak]

Better be suckin as much as I do.

[ruby haven]

Q2 was mentioned

[wet star]

Q2 2026

[runic rain]

Same time as gta 6 launch

[wet star]

gta 7 *

[runic rain]

Will be shipping alongside RTX 6090

[wet star]

😭

[gilded kindle]

And the Intel Core i9 19900k

[safe meadow]

height-wise

[wet star]

hope i can buy it on my iphone 32

[dire heath]

a white 80he would be amazing

[fallow spire]

We made the wrist rests to fit any mechanical keyboard and will be compatible use-ability wise. It just won't 100% be a fit design-wise looking at length. The height will also not perfectly match the case height. We are working on a new wrist rest to exactly fit the 80HE

[jolly tangle]

I have a question for the take control keycaps colors, any updates when that will come out?

[smoky herald]

should i cancel my 60HE for the 80HE?

[trail island]

make it 8khz......

[wet star]

preorder the new wrist rest 2027 Q3

[gilded kindle]

That is entirely up to you

[fallow spire]

We will have 2 color options (for the PCR plastic) on launch. 1 dark, 1 light.
Final colors still to be revealed.

[runic rain]

To confirm will a full keyboard’s worth of keycaps be included with the 80he?

[safe meadow]

thanks for the answer wasnt worried about width that was par the course ofc but about height

[smoky herald]

is it only the size that’s different?

[midnight iron]

Will there be multiple color options for zinc alloy case?

[foggy kayak]

WHITE 80he? Ima nut.

[buoyant sundial]

size, more buttons, 60he doesnt have arrow keys (i love my 60he despite that)

[fallow spire]

Yes, except for numpad.

[dire heath]

omg i’m hype now

[smoky herald]

yeah but they’re saying there’s gonna be improvement to the switches?

[dire heath]

i gotta start thinking about keycap combos LOL

[runic rain]

I’m getting more and more tempted now lol

I can always have a backup 60he

[fallow spire]

Not at launch. We need to observe first what total demand is for it, then consider adding more colorways. Colorways will always be added to Barebone versions.

[left turtle]

question, for the founders that will jump into the wagon first ... future possibilities for the keyboard will still be compatible or does it mean that the V1 will be different from the version in 1 year?

[gilded kindle]

So does that mean we will have a "Del" keycap we can put over lets say, "Mode"?

[fallow spire]

Yes

[gilded kindle]

Great thanks!

Even more excited now lol

[glad fable]

Make sure to remap it too in wootility

[foggy kayak]

Wooting is real good at taking our money.

Now we just need some wooting stickers.

[safe meadow]

that sound very helpful indeed

[midnight iron]

Hrm sounds like I need to get 80he and get it white coated here locally, that would actually look amazing with the lines of the case

[gilded kindle]

I mean of course, I was just hoping I could physically put the key cap on to match the software

[wet star]

preorder wooting stickers 2029 Q4

[runic rain]

Now I just gotta wait to see whether I can afford it

[foggy kayak]

I’d order another keyboard JUST for the stickers.

[glad fable]

yeye you can do that
People forget that they can just do that lmao

[trail island]

itd be sick if it has a polling rate of 8k

[glad fable]

artisan keycap

[river depot]

ok time to refund my wooting 2 to get the 80 😍

[wet star]

16k

[gilded kindle]

Why? I mean 1khz is more than plenty

[river depot]

LOL

[buoyant solstice]

I'm going to crawl through the channel later and collate all Qs and As into a FAQ pinned at the top.

[gilded kindle]

as a human being your limiting factor is 100% your reaction time

[trail island]

less input delay

[wet star]

lets for for 128K while we are at it

[fallow spire]

We added everything in the 80HE, including PC plate, screw-in stabs, and latest MCU-wise. I can't tell what will happen 1 year after, but it's not the plan to update it in any way that would make in incompatible.

In addition, we have a few things releasing hardware and software wise that are even compatible with 60HE AVR mcu models. We do out best to keep support and compatibility around as long as we can.

[glad fable]

good luck

[glad fable]

Anything special if we order during founder's campaign?

[gilded kindle]

@fallow spire Any plans to open a merch store I'd buy a Wooting T-shirt and shill to all my friends

I mean I already do the second part

[foggy kayak]

S T I C K E R S?! 👀

[runic rain]

Right? lol

[gilded kindle]

but I'd look way cooler with a wooting shirt on

[upbeat berry]

we had woot merch once upon a time

[buoyant solstice]

Any plans to do a new round of Icon pledges like with the 60HE? Often asked question.

[gilded kindle]

bring it baaaaack <3

[river depot]

I mean technically if the warranty is still good, you COULD request a refund and return your kb in to get an 80 if that’s how warranties and refunds work

[glad fable]

I want a big wooting logo sticker to put on the back of my keyboard

[fallow spire]

Is stickers worth? We can add it for founders campaign... like Switchy sticker 😛

[gilded kindle]

YES

[foggy kayak]

Poor Mansen is the discords babysitter 😭

[upbeat berry]

not how warranties work

[foggy kayak]

[river depot]

Thank you big brain

[foggy kayak]

Stickers?!?!??

[runic rain]

If it was Amazon I would consider it

[buoyant solstice]

I mean it is technically part of my job description. Even if I am technically in holiday mode 😄

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

[foggy kayak]

I’m ordering the 80he just for the stickers.

[gilded kindle]

You see, you love your job so much you can't help but do it

[foggy kayak]

My wife can keep the 60he smh

[jolly tangle]

I thought mansen would solve some tickets too 😛

[fallow spire]

Refunds within 30 days works like this. Warranty does not, but warranty you could ask for store credit instead of replacement.

[upper geyser]

Any plans for Hardware macros on the new Wooting80? I need to know in order to decide if I will order it or not.

[buoyant solstice]

I did actually respond to a couple of emails earlier today while waiting for the livestream to go up 😄

[runic rain]

Good idea

[river depot]

👍👍

[foggy kayak]

Gimme the 80he and stickers!

[solid siren]

can I pre order?

[safe meadow]

not yet

[glad fable]

January 25th

[safe meadow]

in 26 days

[solid siren]

😭😭😭😭😭

[paper bronze]

What’s avr mcu

[glad fable]

the old chip

[midnight iron]

Is the gasket mount more on the stiff side vs traditional gasket mounts? Wondering about the bounce messing with the actuation/rt at low settings like 0.15 rt?

[paper bronze]

Ah

[fallow spire]

Macros saved on the keyboard itself? We are expanding Advanced keys (already have a few features in pipeline that are missing UI/UX). But we pan to keep the expanded and elaborated macros in Wootomation for now (this is also getting a big fix update). Need to monitor what direction it'll take, but we're trying to avoid major "hacky" heavy macros on keyboard.

[jolly tangle]

Calder before you go, would you please checkout my question in a super duper secret channel too

[glad fable]

technically wouldn't it be fine if both the pcb and plate bounced together simultaneously without any flex?

u guys have a super duper secret channel? 🤔

[upper geyser]

I just need to input text for work in my excel sheets via macros, nothing abnormal.

[fallow spire]

There isn't loads of empty space for bounce, it's definitely more on the stiff side, if you'd empty it out, you will be able to move a bit more. That said, you should've experience a lot of problems since we don't flex cut the PCB and the amount of arc flex is very limited.

[fallow spire]

To expand on the above, the goal of Gasket was for a softer typing feeling and better sound control (no screw points). Not for making it completely bouncy.

[midnight iron]

that's good

[glad fable]

Calder you should leak some information on the special perks ordering during founder's campaign 😘

[upper geyser]

I cant use Wootomation because I work via Remove Desktop and the "clipboard" function is disabled, which doesn't alow me to paste anything from outside the Remote Desktop. Nor can I install the Wootomation on the servers. So the only way to input text is via hw macros that simulate keypresses, just like advanced keys, but the number on inputs needs to be much bigger than it is now to even form a sentence.

[fallow spire]

We're trying to not complicate the perks so we can focus on completing what we have in the pipeline. Still hashing out what we want as final perks for launch to allow smooth production.

[keen walrus]

will Tachyon mode work for the full key set on the 80he? currently this isn't possible on the Two HE on the most responsive setting

[fallow spire]

Wootomation emulates a keyboard, for all Remote Desktop knows it's the keyboard inputting it.

I think you can just record yourself typing the sentence or words in Wootomation.

[upper geyser]

I've tried it and it doesn't work, I don't know what they did for security measures, yet every other keyboard I own that has HW macros works.

[turbid vapor]

Will do the TKL wrist rest be compatible with the 80HE?

[fallow spire]

Okay, intersting I'll pass this to David to check out

[upper geyser]

I appreciate that.

[pale bloom]

Was the arrow key offset addressed? Arrows being centered would immediately make the layout perfect

[silk hedge]

I doubt they will make changes at this point

[fallow lance]

Nothing said but yeah I doubt it either. Id assume its a big issue for a lot of people.
I'd most likely have bought one if it wasn't for the arrows.

[silk hedge]

I'll wait till we get a full release of the features during the founders campaing then i'll make my decision

[crystal patrol]

When will the 80HE be up for pre-order?

[buoyant solstice]

Check the website.

[silk hedge]

25th of jan

[buoyant solstice]

There's a nice little countdown.

[crystal patrol]

Aah so that’s when the pre-orders will be open? So it will take a while to get the actual keyboard then?

[silk hedge]

Aiming for q2

[zinc hedge]

Yea

[midnight iron]

i don't think it's enough to offset that many buyers, although i agree that the decision based around right shift is a bit odd in particular. It's possible they started working on this before right shift small keycaps were standardized though

right now I can go on kdbfans and 99% of all keycaps sold have the small right shift, it's not even a question of if they include the keycap nowadays

[foggy kayak]

Excuse my ignorance but for someone who doesn’t do basically any programming and just uses the computer for games, documents and small photo & video editing. How often is right shift ever used in other fields?

[calm swallow]

will it be better then 60he with features or only size

[midnight iron]

a little bit in editing IF you are used to that keybind, but I edit a ton and never use it personally

[worn prairie]

This keyboard looks right up my alley, thank god I waited, but now I need to wait for at least 1 month more 🥲

[pulsar adder]

4 months*

[obsidian raven]

There are reasons for the arrow keys we cannot disclose yet, it will make more sense

[fallow lance]

All I wanna know is.. is there a reason why the arrows was pushed up to the shift and not aligned with the page down?
The thing that irks me is the alignment and how odd it looks thats all. If it was aligned, no one would have mentioned ANYTHING relating to the arrows.. Even though its the matter of milimeters

[worn prairie]

Do you want to see my current keyboard 😂

[obsidian raven]

It was heavy debated in wooting as well

[fallow spire]

This makes sense, but when you're actively using the keyboard, and once we've released this other thing in 2024, it just highlights the left arrow key feeling awkward.

[proper pine]

Is the body plastic or metal?

[tight cliff]

Do we have any dimensions of the 80HE?

[upbeat berry]

yes

[silk hedge]

Haptic feedback switches for the 80 he

[proper pine]

So it's both?

[upbeat berry]

2 versions

one PCR ABS and one Zinc alloy

[proper pine]

Ah thanks for the info

[zinc hedge]

Are you guys planning on doing different color variations like the 60he

[fallow spire]

See that home button next to the enter? That's Row 2, home doesn't exist on that row on standard layout.

I'll just ignore that this layout uses 1u mod keys

[foggy kayak]

I was about to just throw my cc at the screen if it had a knob

[silk hedge]

U mean knob

[foggy kayak]

Thank you. Brain fart

[royal epoch]

Just wanted to leave my feedback and opinions on this layout:
This layout is objectively way worse than both 75% and tkl. You still lose 3 buttons but is only 1 column narrower than tkl (but cuz of thick case borders and unnecessary spaces between columns basically same footprint of a tkl) instead of 2 columns narrower like on 75%. For what? Standard key cap sizes? On live stream you agreed with someone 75% and tkl "have been over done". That means there are a lot sets that accommodate them, so they wouldn't be a problem, so the only advantage this layout has over 75% is actually non-existent. But you still justify this layout with it having normal caps, when having 75% caps was not a problem to begin with cuz of how popular it became. So this layout has cons of a 75% (loosing 3 buttons) without the positive (smaller than tkl) cuz it has a footprint of basically a tkl (also cuz of the huge case borders around it and unnecessary spaces between columns as well) so the advantage of a 75% is gone. Has the cons without the positives making it useless. Might as well have added the 1 more column and have a full tkl layout as it's basically the same footprint as tkl right now anyway. 75% and tkl are "over done" for a reason, cuz people love them. Just cuz there are many of them doesn't mean they are bad layouts you needed to somehow fix by inventing your own (that ended up being worse in every way with it's only "advantage" being basically non-existent". Don't fix what isn't broken. IMO Insanely disappointing release

[midnight iron]

those extra 75% format keycaps needed are fairly common now though since the format kind of blew up and all the major players added them into the kits

[spark lotus]

Is there any performance differences between the 60he?

[solid siren]

yea

[midnight iron]

I guess if you have an older keycap set they might not be standard

[spark lotus]

What kind

[solid siren]

idk exactly but I bet someone here does

[lament saffron]

Can you send me more info on the change?

[glad fable]

very minor

you won't notice the latency difference at all

[zinc hedge]

Atleast we got a good layout

[spark lotus]

How about rapid trigger and actuation timings is all that same ? Just strictly gaming performance

[solid siren]

so it’s pretty much just the same as the 60HE just 80%?

[buoyant solstice]

No.

[silk hedge]

There are still some surprises left to be announced during the founders campaing

[lament saffron]

I had to get some coffee and breakfast after the stream. You guys have been busy!

[midnight iron]

it was changed from start basically with the alu plate. They told people in their discord to not change to other material plates even if they have them from zoom75 kits

[lament saffron]

Ahh ok, I misunderstood. I thought you meant they changed from the aluminum plate

[solid siren]

is the keyboard made for any specific games?

[silk hedge]

No lol

[glad fable]

no

[midnight iron]

ah nah, I meant changed from zoom75 plates to the booq75 plates

[tiny tartan]

Binding of Isaac

[granite goblet]

Is all the leaks documented somewhere

[white furnace]

it could be better for specfic games

[runic rain]

Can be useful for MMOs afaik

[solid siren]

alr cause I see so many people talk about it for csgo but im tryna use it for fort 🙏🏼💀

[silk hedge]

Wrong chat

[white furnace]

go watch the fortnite video on the 60he

[lament saffron]

Not leaks anymore. Product announcement page is live.

[royal epoch]

yep exactly what i said too. they said they came up with the layout 2 years ago. back then sure it was more advantageous having standard caps but the landscape has changes since and it seems they haven't been paying much attention the the overall keyboard community beside their own sadly

[granite goblet]

Oh where’s the link

[solid siren]

I have everyone says it’s amazing people just end up using Apex pro probably becuse it’s easier to get

[zinc hedge]

Check the website

[lament saffron]

Pinned messages

[white furnace]

from what i know the steelseries software is bad

[dense ridge]

@upbeat berry will we have also transparent plastic case?

[solid siren]

it’s horrible the software is dog but the keyboard isn’t bad

[white furnace]

the keyboard's okay yeah

[plucky yarrow]

For the zinc alloy case, is there a specific alloy number that people can look up?

[foggy kayak]

Can we all just appreciate they even did the stream while on holiday break? Big thanks to

[midnight iron]

i'm more curious to figure out what they mean by the space with the arrow keys will make sense later, what mod are they adding later

[nova nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/spoilers-doctor-who-gif-8623491

[zinc hedge]

Custom FacePlates maybe

[pale bloom]

Are there any timelines to a tease or trailer of what is next so we can understand? If this is an addition or even a new style of the board it would be best to know so we can save our money for Wooting board we actually love (sorry the symmetry is really bothering me with the arrows). Additionally, the left arrow key or the up arrow key is usually the anchor point of the arrow keys to be able to quick switch from right Ctrl and the Home/Delete buttons. It would make sense to be highlighted. With it offset it feels like left arrow would be right control and going down from the home/delete would seem like it feels off.

[nova nexus]

Calder is typing though, maybe he leaks it 😂

[plucky yarrow]

FINGERPRINT READER

[zinc hedge]

SHOCKING

[glad fable]

That's his side gig 🤣

[queen plover]

May we have a render from the bottom ?

[plucky yarrow]

maybe joystick

actual analog joystick to go with your analog keyboard

[zinc hedge]

Wooting duck mascot sticker

[midnight iron]

maybe detachable add on for that area that clips into the 80he somehow

[dense ridge]

@nova nexuswill we have also transparent plastic case option? from the start

[foggy kayak]

What’s River doing here

[glad fable]

Still waiting for white coiled cable

[plucky yarrow]

OLED screen that

[nova nexus]

I don't expect so

[foggy kayak]

I’m just waiting on a white case

[fallow lance]

considering the light bar is roughly the same size as the strap on the 60he, something will probably click into there

[midnight iron]

they also said don't show the back of the case on stream. So maybe a module attachable to the back that uses that space more also

[fallow lance]

maybe the light bar is removable and other accessories can "plug" into it

[dense ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-sad-gif-25488313

[zinc hedge]

Probably the closest one

Imagine your UwU plugged into the 80he

Somewhat convenient

[silk hedge]

Yeah the 80he has no strap, sadly i wont be able to do bicep curls with it. It even has a hefty weight (for a keyboard) at 2kg

[midnight iron]

honestly i don't love the strap on alu case anyway, so I'm okay with that

[foggy kayak]

Wooting mouse at the end of next years stream

[queen plover]

Wooting mouse can already exist all you do is put a mouse sensor inside the uwu

[plucky yarrow]

mouse key support on existing boards would be nice

[fallow spire]

60% wasn't common 5 years ago.
75% wasn't common 3 years ago.
TKL was uncommon 8 years ago (we started with Wooting one TKL, 7 years ago)
90% wasn't done for masses
1800 layout was impossible to get

There are a lot of other layouts out there that are not common and used in the deeper mk scene, some of them surface and become popular due to certain keyboard model that was used by x person, or a group buy that was very successfull and copied. What is popular now isn't a guarantee to be popular later.

We decided to play around with the layout more and try something else. We choose for this particular layout because it compliments what we have planned in the future and it didn't create awkward key sizes. Even though 1.75u is more common, it's not always part of a standard set, and a layman would not expect to check on this. In addition to special row or modifier keys.

If we didn't have this complimentary thing, we would've gone for a steady TKL. Perhaps later on play more on layouts for fun. But we do have it and it's fun to play around with layouts, try something new.

Functionally speaking, you won't miss those 3 keys if you are perfectly fine with a 75% and you won't care about the space saving if you can easily play with a TKL. It's just a bit getting used to seeing something different.

(take my timeline with a grain of salt, just for illustration)

[left turtle]

That argument of keycaps, sorry, i don't get it ... any keycap set even the cheap ones comes with many options for keycaps ... you can find another argument and i will accept it, the keycaps one is something i'm having an hard time digesting it 😄

no bad vibes on the comment, just the truth, even Aliexpress chepo's bring all these options :d

[foggy kayak]

Wooting tablet when

[buoyant solstice]

NORMAL keycaps? Yes. Anything outside of that? No that is definitely not the case for "most"sets 🙂

[plucky yarrow]

Speaking of switch improvement, will the 80HE use gateron 2,0 hall effect switch or whatever revision gateron calls it?

[fallow lance]

I completely agree. I just can't get over the arrows thats all 😢 😂 the uneven gap near the arrows compared to the rest of the keys kills me off lol

[left turtle]

Mansen, i don't know about you ... but i bought from chepo keycaps to expensive keycaps ... never had a single issue with my 75% for example...

Can you be more specific on which keycap sets are you refering to?

[queen plover]

Easy you turn the wooting 80 upside down and instead of a braze plate you put a screen under the keyboard

[midnight iron]

they said it's ks20 slot still and they have new improved lekkers coming. Which means you should be able to use the ks20 updated lekkers as well as gaterons new ks20 slot switches potentially

[foggy kayak]

Your brain is massive. I would’ve never thought of that.

[plucky yarrow]

Ok this was what I was looking for. Thanks.

[buoyant solstice]

I have 6 sets on my shelf, and not a single one of those include any such keycaps.

[plucky yarrow]

What manufacturer? Taihao/Drop?

[left turtle]

really?
then i was super lucky 🙂

[buoyant solstice]

Corsair, XMI, Wooting, GMK to name the ones I can remember offhand.

Which keycaps are you looking for specifically?

[plucky yarrow]

GMK got stingy recently and started selling off specialty keys in kits like Signature Plastic

[fallow spire]

Yeah, this is something we could've player a bit more with, but when we made the layout design, it created an awkward look for other reasons. Unfortunately, we can't reveal these type of things so early in development, because it completely borks whatever you already have on the market because people will be a the edge of their chair and lose interest, because it takes over a year to develop.

[midnight iron]

if you bought in last 2 years it's likely it was added. Before it used to be more uncommon to have the extra mod keys for it, but now either sets include it in the base or they have a mod kit for it

[plucky yarrow]

kinda sucks but still, a lot of aftermarket caps nowadays do have the shorter 1.75u right shift

[fallow spire]

No, but my expectation is* it'll be quickly copied by Chinese manufacturers because it just makes completely sense and it's so simple yet effective.

[midnight iron]

for example basically the extra home/pg up down stuff in the bottom corner right wasn't as common before the 75% boom hit

[foggy kayak]

There’s a f13???

[fallow lance]

#🌟│wooting80he message this to me would have been perfect and i dont think anyone would have questioned anything related to the arrows. Although I don't know what you have in store for the future so maybe it'll make sense then, but for now it just kills me off from protentionally buying it 😢

[fallow spire]

This set has basically everything

[main dust]

is there a picture of the japanese layout?

[fallow spire]

It's this type of stuff that a layman will purchase (for example)
https://hyperx.com/products/hyperx-pudding-keycaps-pbt-full-key-set?variant=42613591015581

These sets don't consider any of it.

[queen plover]

Heres a even better idea to keep all the 60he fans happy they can make click in system the wooting click 80 where you put your 60he inside a keyboard kit that only has the re main ing keys to make a 80% (i can draw a concept if you like)

[upbeat berry]

JIS layout pic

@main dust

[fallow spire]

That'd be great if it wasn't an immensily expensive solution lol

[main dust]

thanks

[foggy kayak]

I know everyone is rioting over the arrow keys and is upset or small things.

I’m just happy to have a wooting coming out that’s not the full size 60 two and brings some more usable buttons such as the function, arrow & I guess ability keys in a small form factor to the market with the ability the wooting offers.

[queen plover]

❤️ thankyou thankyou haha

[fallow lance]

Is there any size specs though? Would be nice to try to compare to other layouts/keyboards

[left turtle]

its not rioting ...

the expectations are high since its wooting

and we love the brand

just that 🙂

[fallow lance]

Because without size specs, maybe its only a fraction smaller than a tkl and such. In that case this comment would be void

[silk hedge]

So we will find out about the plans involving the arrow keys and rgb strip during the founders campaing right?

[nova nexus]

You will certainly find out if you're going to find out

[left turtle]

... lol sometimes i think we are talking about rocket science and not keyboards, will all the blured future for the keyboard 😄 ahaha

[midnight iron]

realistically a lot of fps players probably still like 60he size because they do the crazy tilt thing

then it's the non fps guys that will go for that 80he layout

[fallow spire]

CS2 is hot on TKL

[main dust]

true i need f keys for league but dont want a full size

[queen plover]

I love my 60he best keyboard period

[silk hedge]

To alt + f4 out of league i supose?

[fallow lance]

alt + fn + 4 😄

[main dust]

that and using f keys to look at my team inting

[fallow spire]

We will release the sizes, just don't have them at hand. The gasket takes space around the edges, so you'd have to compare to a gasket TKL.

[foggy kayak]

I just task manager league when I wanna give up

[fallow lance]

Alight, good to know 👌

[midnight iron]

there's a few holdouts. I was talking to folks at the valorant avl finals and monyet was literally only guy not using a wooting from both teams and he said it's because he can't use 60%

[jolly tangle]

why did you guys decide for a gasket mount and not some other mount

[fallow lance]

well they're pretty popular now because they cancel out some vibrations and such

usually makes the sound profile sound nicer too

[spring folio]

Oh man, I wish they would have fully committed to a TKL layout

Instead of this 75%

[queen plover]

80

[midnight iron]

hrm where that's tastefully named 'buttplug' geon he mount photo

[gloomy raptor]

genuinely

[midnight iron]

ah here it is

[gloomy raptor]

ruined any chance of me switching from a 60he to an 80he

just because they decided they wanted to have their own "TKL" layout

can appreciate trying new things, but this is definitely not it

[spring folio]

This is just a magicforce 68 in 75% layout lmao

[midnight iron]

i don't think the layout is 'that' bad all things considered. Prefer 75% but it's not going to really change my mind on if i buy it or not since functionally it still works, just not as pretty

[humble cargo]

the layout is fine for most part imo, they didn't do the typical 65/75 mistake of cucking the rshift in favor of squeezing in the arrow cluster further, woulda preferred a delete key over a pause or mode but that's remappable at least

it just too chonk for me

[silk hedge]

Yeah remains to be sean why they moved the arrows

I could have done without the page keys and make it thinner but it's whatever

[zinc hedge]

its a good layout, plus they havent said all the features of the 80he untill/during the campaign

[gloomy raptor]

its not a bad layout, its just not a "TKL" board like its named after. the only purpose of me upgrading would be to finally have physical del & arrow keys! with the layout essentially being a slightly larger 75% removing del, theres no longer a point.

[molten ember]

i feel like everyone will dislike it now and get it still in the end and like it

wait till the zinc alloy comes out

[gloomy raptor]

but im happy youre continuing to make great HE keyboards that will undoubtedly be enjoyed by many

[humble cargo]

my main gripe is the case being in the thicc side

[fallow spire]

There is still a Del key. All the keycaps for a TKL incl. A1-3 are inside the box, you can remap.

The cluster keys are a bit arbitrary. Will update the render next week to include the Del key.

[midnight iron]

wait why don't you just rebind one of the keys to del?

[silk hedge]

Zink alloy on release is a dub, gasket mount is a dub, case desing is a dub and the rgb strip remains to be seen

But if it's wooting they wont just add an rgb strip for the heck of it

[glad fable]

People tend to forget that

[midnight iron]

yeah with 75%-ish layouts you can pick and choose whatever you want the extra tkl-ish keys to be, it doesn't have to be what they used in the renders

[gloomy raptor]

you could, but at that point im removing the functionality of another key that would normally be there on tkl

[glad fable]

Wootility doesn't only offer rapid trigger guys 😘

[molten ember]

there will be more to the rgb strip hopefully its something good

[gloomy raptor]

although admittedly i dont use the others as often as i use del

[fallow lance]

well i mean, no one uses the "end" key so

[gloomy raptor]

shouldve just minimized the board further & made a 75% ;D

[midnight iron]

like my zoom75 for example I just put pgup/pgdn/print screen because it's what I use despite most people using del there

and you have an f13 key too which you can bind to one more key as well

[dusk yew]

and i wish they fully committed to a 70-75% so its kinda fair.

[gloomy raptor]

being fully committed to either wouldve been nice

[dusk yew]

if we're not gonna get 2 kbs then it is what it is

[gloomy raptor]

but now we have a great keyboard with a funny layout ( ;( )

[dusk yew]

ik but still.

i wanted both but they're 1 team

[obtuse wagon]

I wouldn't call it a 75% either

[dusk yew]

its an 80..

[gloomy raptor]

wouldnt call it TKL either

[dusk yew]

its in the title guys 😛

[obtuse wagon]

TKL is a 80 tho

[spring folio]

87

[glad fable]

not truly a TKL 🤔

[obtuse wagon]

87 keys 80%

[dense ridge]

@spring folioagree.. cant understand why they did a 80% .... if they could just do a standard TKL ?

[gloomy raptor]

spot the difference

[obtuse wagon]

Its neither its a OG layout

[supple ember]

the wooting ©TKLn't

[buoyant solstice]

#🌟│wooting80he message

[glad fable]

Wooting 80he has 83 keys

[midnight iron]

I was almost first with calling the layout, but paul is the real soothsayer

[obtuse wagon]

TKLn't

I like that @supple ember

[midnight iron]

in early december, but paul somehow guessed it back so many months ago lol

[supple ember]

start a petition for wooting to change the name

[midnight iron]

he was just off by 2 keys

[green tendon]

when will you be able to buy this?

[obtuse wagon]

26 days an counting

[glad fable]

I remember someone in the wooting team saying they didn't like exploded arrow keys

[dusk yew]

personally i wouldn't have bought a traditional tkl. too wide. not for me.

[obtuse wagon]

They hope to have it out Q2 2024

[glad fable]

so that was probably a hint

[buoyant solstice]

Preorders start in about a month.

[obtuse wagon]

I really dont care either way, I just want to know what top paying Founders get before I bite, either way its going on a display shelf

60HE is life

[midnight iron]

yeah the non exploded plus needing full size shift with the old top row photo was the last clues we needed really

[dusk yew]

my biggest concern for this is going to be cases. i really dont want to be stuck in a plastic case.

[glad fable]

Will there be a sound test before release 🥺

[supple ember]

will we have all info on the keyboard by then?

[obtuse wagon]

You buy the Zinc Alloy or you dont then

[glad fable]

yeah they will be making a zinc alloy case

[buoyant solstice]

Before or at that point, yes

[midnight iron]

yeah just buy the zinc alloy one

[foggy kayak]

Can we get a Mansen duck keycap?

[dusk yew]

or hope someone also makes cases for it, which is a real possibility given the recent hype around wooting.

[glad fable]

Artisan keycaps when?

[dense ridge]

It doesn't even look symmetrical. This 80% will never become familiar to a customer! and the company torments its users instead of doing what they are asked to do. It's a strange tactic, but okay! It's not up to us to decide

[spring folio]

Well, if you all really want a TKL then I would suggest to wait for Geonworks to finish his Venom HE PCB that can slot into multiple custom TKLs

[midnight iron]

honestly i want to try book a coating somewhere locally and try to white coat the zinc alloy case on launch

[obtuse wagon]

I mean why even bother when you can get a 2kg with it directly to the door

[dusk yew]

depends how much i like it.

[gloomy raptor]

sounds interesting

[midnight iron]

i know there's some crazy good keyboard coaters here in korea, white 80he zinc alloy would go hard

[haughty robin]

Shame all the negative comments on the reveal video. I’m actually excited about this form factor. TKL is too big and 75% is too cramped. I’m excited

[buoyant solstice]

People said that about 60% and now it's a standard.

[dense ridge]

@buoyant solsticeno thats not true. 60% at least looks symmetrical

[dusk yew]

i'm going to be complaining all the way to that buy button anyway

[foggy kayak]

Guess we just need to see if it ducks or not when it comes out.

[obtuse wagon]

People wanted an offset arrow cluster that was no symmetrical so what are you on about

They wanted a GMMK Pro clone

Shit is the devils work if I have ever seen it

[haughty robin]

Here’s my desired features, and if they are the “secret features” they haven’t announced yet, I will be a very happy camper.

1. wireless
2. Qi charging or other cordless charging. Maybe an accompanying mouse pad

[obtuse wagon]

Wireless is not going to be a thing

[fallow lance]

wireless is off the cards 😄

[obtuse wagon]

Mansen already stated that

[supple ember]

yep no wireless

[glad fable]

Wireless will increase latency by so much 😂

[gloomy raptor]

still feels like a stupid workaround you can use as an excuse to use a super uncommon layout. shouldve either just focused on a 75%, or committed to a TKL. now you have a board which will satisfy some, but not truly be what many asked for.

[foggy kayak]

Why does it need a qi charger? Y’all setting your phone on your keyboard???

[buoyant solstice]

I never claimed otherwise. I was referring to "no one will ever get used to" aspect.

[tight gust]

why didnt they just make a normal TKL with a H87 layout

[dense ridge]

the question of the decade xd

[obtuse wagon]

Why are you guys so stuck on it not being a normal TKL?

Why are TKL users so weird

[tight gust]

so i can put the PCB into any case i want

[supple ember]

but there's still some surprises under the hood that they havent revealed yet, and it seems like they are kinda banking on that beeing a major reason to get the board

[spring folio]

Because everyone asked for a TKL

[foggy kayak]

They’re going to end up with another stream just to justify the decision with THEIR company

[supple ember]

no

[haughty robin]

Psh. I don’t understand. You can have hybrid wireless. Low latency in wired mode, but convenient to pick up. Maybe I’m the only one, but I have my computer connected to a tv in the other room and that’d be so nice. Guess I’m keeping my two keyboard setup

[fallow lance]

I really just think everyone including myself are just bummed out by the arrows and not having a true explanation why they can't just be moved over the right a few millimeters

[gloomy raptor]

people asked for a 75%, and people asked for a TKL

[zinc hedge]

they have plans for the keybaord features, they havent said them yet

[glad fable]

People will never be satisfied
Just like when the module released people expected a huge cut

[dusk yew]

no they didnt. many of us asked for something smaller.

[supple ember]

i didnt want a tkl

[dusk yew]

love it when people speak for everyone lmao

[tight gust]

and they gave us with ugly hybrid of a thing

[haughty robin]

TKL overrated. This 80% is awesome imo

[foggy kayak]

I was excited for a tkl but I like this layout.

[gloomy raptor]

and instead we got a super uncommon layout that lacks cases for modding, and lacks the full functionality of a TKL.

[obtuse wagon]

Some of them dont want that tho, everybody is wanting different shit, you have a crowd liking the picture you posted, then others wanting as GMMK Pro clone, you cant please everybody

So they did what they wanted as a company

[spring folio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ANleEMcBvA&t=12s
Ok so they didn't make a video about people asking for TKL?

[gloomy raptor]

will work for nearly everyone, but its stupid anyways.

[silk quartz]

Will there be ANSI barebone variant?

[haughty robin]

Vocal minority of layout haters I think

[supple ember]

it's not a video about people asking just for a tkl, they also mention 75%

[dense ridge]

i think they made this weird 80% one to still keep open a window for the TKL version... thats the only explanation

[fallow lance]

yeah nah i get that but the edit I did is at least symmetrical and no one can say symmetrical isn't good in any case 😂

[buoyant solstice]

Not sure what the purpose would be. There's no compatible cases.

[dusk yew]

just put in 75 into the search box in discord there champ. this argument is silly.

[obtuse wagon]

I didnt mind yours at all, but its not all the complaints Ive seen, there is like 4 different boats of people wanting something

[humble cargo]

most layouts outside 60% have little or no mod support

[supple ember]

they already answered you tho that there is a reason for the keys being offset, that will be explained in the future

[silk quartz]

without keycaps I mean

[haughty robin]

Thank you for not putting an ugly-a dial on it too

[fallow lance]

Oh nah there will definitely be people complaining about the layout but mine is just solely about the arrows

[buoyant solstice]

I would imagine so? More information later.

[midnight iron]

honestly i don't think functionality of a tkl is going to be why anyone doesn't buy it. I agree it's not as pretty as tkl or 75% but functionally no one really uses the 2 less keys you'd have vs traditional tkl

[glad fable]

Functionality over looks

[humble cargo]

yeah line up those arrows a little nicer and trim some chub off the sides of the case and I can't really fault it much

[fallow lance]

I know but it wasn't exactly an answer, so im just specifying the position im in right now

[midnight iron]

it's why 75% is so popular to begin with, you just bind your extra row keys to whatever you want and use the right keycaps for them

[supple ember]

its one of the surprises still left under the hood

[humble cargo]

preferable to the typical TKL by far

[dusk yew]

i will say given the bevels and space on the layout, it is a bit peculiar a knob wasn't fit in there somehwere. i'm sure it was tried, but still surprised it didnt make it in.

[upbeat berry]

doesnt matter what layout we would have announced. there would have always been groups of people being disgruntled

[obtuse wagon]

Its like game devs, no matter what they do somebody has to take a L

[haughty robin]

A knob would have made me not buy it 100%. I can’t STAND them

[supple ember]

they used the term industry breaking, so whatever it is they seem really confident

[dusk yew]

i would argue launching a 75 and a TKL would have not resulted in anyone disgruntled. I'm not mad about the 80, but i still think this is not true.

[fallow lance]

but considering its causing this much of an issue and seeing over 50 people say things about the arrows since ive been here, then its sorta something which probably should be explained properly

[glad fable]

Announces 75%: GRR WHY NO TKL!!
Announces TKL: WE ASKED FOR A 75%!!!

[fallow lance]

layout-wise though, people would have always complained but the layout to me isn't the issue

[obtuse wagon]

Plenty of folks like me who didnt want a true TKL, half the complainers are not even current Wooting customers, just disgruntled potentional customers

[dusk yew]

i know but having both would have likely satisfied 99% of people

[obtuse wagon]

Agreed

[bleak forum]

my money’s on they’ll offer alternate top *case which uses that bottom right section differently, like a screen or knob or something

[dusk yew]

like i said, i'm not mad. imma buy it. but there was another option. whether or not they could feasibly pull it off is another argument. im sure there's a lot that went into this decision that we dont understand from our pov.

[foggy kayak]

I’ll bust for a screen or a knob

[supple ember]

yes, but they probably want to keep things a secret for as long as they can so other companies dont copy them immediately

[glad fable]

I wanna put these keycaps on the 80he 😩

[obtuse wagon]

Knob makes sense, screen is a gimmick

[haughty robin]

“This layout is a waste of space”
“Add a knob”
I don’t understand keyboard people

[obtuse wagon]

That shit is cursed

[glad fable]

WHAT!

[jolly tangle]

the knob was considered

[obtuse wagon]

devils work

[austere stratus]

i just want the del and ins keys 😫

[glad fable]

oh

[jolly tangle]

I dont think Im allowed to talk about it

[obtuse wagon]

Anything with arrows sitting lower than bottom row is cursed

[glad fable]

You're talking about the layout not the keycaps 🤣

[obtuse wagon]

yes

[fallow lance]

yeah no don't get me wrong i completely understand in that sense but even something as little as "we needed the space so had to move them over to the left" would be fine and at LEAST give a little bit of a reason why

[upbeat berry]

since you get those as keycaps anyway... and this isnt a layout limitation idk what the issue is

just map them on

[obtuse wagon]

shit bothers my OCD

[midnight iron]

functionally we basically have a 75%. it's a very goofy 75 but it's the same amount of keys as a lot of 75% keyboards

[foggy kayak]

Man needs his cheat keys

[placid whale]

del ins included

[glad fable]

Remap the keys
As shrimple as that 🦐

[royal epoch]

it's just that if they did 75, tkl group would be disgruntled, if tkl the 75 group would be disgruntled, but they did whatever this abomination is and now both groups are .lol cuz this doesn't provide any space saving over a tkl, while also not providing additional keys for the bigger footprint. so like i said it has cons of both layouts while having pros of neither

[dusk yew]

fn+bkspc is so easy anyway. thats one i dont mind using

[haughty robin]

It’s kinda bold to not have del ins on the marketing though… even tho they are included.

[gloomy raptor]

shouldnt be necessary for a "TKL" board

[austere stratus]

i don't like having them in the positions they would be (i.e. instead of prt sc and pause)

[gloomy raptor]

i will fully admit i wanted a TKL board. i wouldve been fine if they launched a nice 75% aswell. this middle point is just annoying.

[buoyant solstice]

I mean... We never put an Insert keybind on the 60HE by default and almost no one ever asks about that one.

[obsidian raven]

I dont think it was intentional, just the render

[haughty robin]

I think what I’m gonna do is put the home end up there, and put ins delete where they used to be

[gloomy raptor]

its a 60% board.

[obtuse wagon]

Already said it the TKL crowd is weird

[austere stratus]

and if you're gonna say i should have it instead of the home/pg buttons i also don't like that solution either

[worthy wigeon]

Will there be a pack for L45 Switches for the 80HE ?

[buoyant solstice]

Read what I wrote.

[midnight iron]

the important thing is they have f13, so I can finally use my spare f13 artisan

i knew i bought it for a reason

[upbeat berry]

its mode not f13

[glad fable]

I think you guys should just sell the 80he with the del and ins keys on it already and then they can change it later

[jolly tangle]

jeroen any info on how fast this new 80he is? is it just as fast as the 60he ? maybe faster. maybe more wootility settings?

[upbeat berry]

read what jeroen wrote

[haughty robin]

Yeah but layers are implicit with 60% boards. Not necessarily with 75% adjacent boards

[buoyant solstice]

And yet keys that were missing weren't present.

[glad fable]

oo ok

[royal epoch]

yep. i bet people that wanted tkl would be able to cope with 75 cuz they get the space saving benefit, and people wanting 75 would be able to cope with thl cuz they get the additional keys, but this doesn't have any space saving benefits AND no additional keys to compensate LOL

[obsidian raven]

We might, dont think default install is final yet. This is why we gather feedback!

[haughty robin]

I think having the extra keys off to the side in the renders would do a LOT for marketing

But im just a pleb

[midnight iron]

i believe you mean it will be smiley face

[obsidian raven]

Will come later

[upbeat berry]

yes its a dedicated levitating business man key

[jolly tangle]

@buoyant jacinth here with the cool kids 😄

[midnight iron]

i knew spending $50 on one keycap would pay off. Let this be a lesson to everyone, always buy absurdly overpriced novelty keycaps

[upbeat berry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_in_Business_Suit_Levitating_emoji

[dense ridge]

@royal epochu are right 🙂 and they did 80% and now everyone is disgruntled 🙂

[foggy kayak]

I lied. Wife doesn’t want the 60he. I’m gonna end up buying 2 80he’s

[glad fable]

They should totally include a novelty keycap in the founder's campaign 😎

[midnight iron]

actually that would be a neat extra. Novelty f13 artisan

[obtuse wagon]

Wonder how many people have signed up for the newsletter to pre-order compared to how many have complained

Bet the newsletter numbers outweight the complainers

[dusk yew]

@upbeat berry when signing up for 80he alerts on website launch page, I get an email that thanks me for 60he purchase and offers a bunch of irrelevant info. Might wanna bring that up to marketing team

[haughty robin]

I think the complainers signed up too

[dense ridge]

go to reddit 🙂 u will be surprised! 90% of them are complaining

[obtuse wagon]

then wtf are they smoking on

[obtuse wagon]

Most of reddit is a cesspool so that place doesnt count

[glad fable]

It's reddit they always complain 🙄

[foggy kayak]

I thought Reddit was just for p**n?

[obtuse wagon]

Its just a notch above 4chan, just very slightly

[haughty robin]

Some people like to complain all the way to the bank

[worthy wigeon]

Will there be a pack of L45 Switches for the 80HE ?

[upbeat berry]

as far as im aware theres no email for signing up for the mail

[dusk yew]

i received it at the same exact time of signing up. far too coincidental

[obtuse wagon]

Facts!!!!

[obtuse wagon]

Weird bug

[upbeat berry]

just checked with 2 of my emails and it doesnt send anything

[glad fable]

I didn't get an email

[rapid hornet]

Website won't even let me put my email in for newsletter

[dense ridge]

@dusk yewright decision! better 60 then 80 xD

[dusk yew]

serendipitous

[glad fable]

Maybe it was a coincidence

[foggy kayak]

Yeah I did it with 3 emails and never got the email

[dusk yew]

wow very strange

[upbeat berry]

the only way to get that email would be ordering a 60he

[dusk yew]

well i ordered one 2 years ago

[rapid hornet]

LMFAO

[upbeat berry]

if youre using firefox with tracking protection this is expected

adblock and ublock may also cause this

[vagrant haven]

Honestly I like the general form factor of TKL, my preferred form factor is still probably 65%, but the 80HE layout is a bit of a miss IMO.
It’s just kinda a 75% but chunkier and with some kinda gross misalignment in the groups.

[obtuse wagon]

yea it didnt give me that email either, same boat as Tony

[rigid chasm]

@obtuse wagon you've been here since the announcement defending the keyboard and arguing with anyone who isn't convinced. Yes people complain a lot, but you gotta recognize genuine complaints man and not be blindly oblivious just cuz you personally like it

[dusk yew]

ok well its isolated or just coincidental then no worries. thx guys

[rapid hornet]

Not understanding why I have to turn off all my ad block to sign up for a newsletter but ok

[haughty robin]

Well if it’s not gonna be wireless, I wonder if the “industry breaking” yet-to-be-revealed feature will just be a niche-at-best nothingburger

[obtuse wagon]

I havent but at the same time, the disgruntled crowd is usually the most vocal

[rigid chasm]

Thats true

[upbeat berry]

because mailing lists are often considered ads/unwanted

[bleak forum]

I’ve definitely run into the issue of not having the right profile of a del/home/end/pg key for a 75%, and never use ins/pause, so I’m fine with the four-key cluster. arrow key positioning is a head scratcher, hopefully there’s a neat reason

[fallow lance]

Here.. I've fixed the ins/del keys everyone is crying about 😂

[glad fable]

neat

[dusk yew]

you cant do that. thats illegal

[foggy kayak]

All this feedback just to see all the screenshots of their purchase conformation in a month

[obtuse wagon]

On top of the fact the majority of them this morning are not even returning Wooting customers, so can I truly believe the feedback is all in good faith

[bleak forum]

I think I miss having a dedicated del key more than dedicated arrow keys on my 60he

[jolly tangle]

yeah well I suggest we remove those 4 keys and make a trackpad instead. adobe certified

[haughty robin]

No nooo put the home and end keys on top, I need them!

[obtuse wagon]

Been in this cord over a year, seen thousands of trolls come along just to troll an stir shit up

[dusk yew]

on a side note, a bunch of 60hes about to hit the market on the low.

[obtuse wagon]

I would be down with that

[fallow lance]

Well im a wooting customer and the arrows 😢 honestly if the right arrows aligned with page down id buy asap 😂

[rapid hornet]

Have you seen the backorder for all their keyboards LOL

[fallow lance]

but yeah could imagine a load of non-wooting heads just saying shit for the fun of it

[rigid chasm]

I get wooting's decision of trying to make something different. My complaint is the arrow keys being off centre, personally it's triggering me visually

[haughty robin]

You know what I’ve been missing on my 60he… dedicated tilde key. No cap

[obtuse wagon]

Why I have never called you out, I called the other 1's out especially folks with white names sorry not sorry

[dusk yew]

"about to" is up for interpretation 😂

[royal epoch]

80% is the same as a tkl. so this one is not even that. so this one is just a 75% with a nonsensical keys arrangement that effectively nullifies the main reason of having a 75 layout, the space savings

[dusk yew]

but yeah i had to wait 5 months last time

[obtuse wagon]

They are the same folks who think Chinese knockoffs compare

[glad fable]

Would be nice if it was but I'm sure they'll explain the reason why

[rigid chasm]

this is an L take

chinese clones eventually get pretty close or identical

[vagrant haven]

Honestly I think the arrow key alignment is bad enough that I won’t cop it. I don’t have a huge use for the F-keys, but if they had released a 75% I probably would have gotten it because of dedicated arrow keys and having extra keys doesn’t hurt.

Not to sound like a 75% or bust hater, TKL would have been equally valid, just not personally interesting to me. But the 80% just looks bad… I’m sorry.

[buoyant solstice]

Eventually? Sure.

[fallow lance]

ngl ive never known anyone to use the "end" key

[obtuse wagon]

Well when you cheat to get there no duh

[rigid chasm]

chinese mice are better these days.. and cheaper

[buoyant solstice]

Doesn't mean you should shop blind. Always wait for reviews and specs.

[jolly tangle]

why u say this to us programmers 😦

[rigid chasm]

of course

[fallow lance]

i am a programmer and i have never used end in my life 😂

[obtuse wagon]

An how do you think they got there?

[haughty robin]

You raise a good point. I mash the home key, but you’re right I don’t really use the end key so much. It just feels weird not having his friend maybe 😂

[fallow lance]

although i do use vim so 😄

[jolly tangle]

might be worthwhile to lookup useful keybinds in your favorite editor

[glad fable]

home key is making new friends 😊

[jolly tangle]

vim

[fallow lance]

ey all I press is shift + a for end of line insert mode or % 😂 if thats what the end key does

[nova nexus]

Because it was already fixed

[dusk yew]

that man is FAST

[rigid chasm]

That's just how the world is, do you want me to not buy products just cuz they are inspired by others? Lamzu, Pulsar and many other companies have innovated the market in one way or another (yes not necessarily chinese companies) but example to the opposite of Razer nad Logitech

[glad fable]

Wooting Team diff

[foggy kayak]

Mark said. Ain’t no bug they can bitch about too on my watch

[vagrant haven]

Razer gave us popular 8khz mice…

[obtuse wagon]

100% but stealing intellectual property is why they are at the level they are at, without it the products they produce lag behind, they shouldnt get a free pass just because they produce products for said company

[glad fable]

oh I just realized we'll get more teasers before launch

[haughty robin]

So here’s my take on the “off center” arrow keys.

Off center keys just look better. Literally every row of keys is off center from the rows above. Personally I don’t like the + sign gaps you get when keys are exactly aligned.

[wind berry]

[jolly tangle]

I wonder what questions @buoyant solstice has gathered so far

[dusk yew]

i agree but they are still aligned horizontally. these are off on both vert and horiz axis so thats why it stands out more.

[midnight iron]

you guys complaining about off axis arrow will be sorry when you realize the led pops out and you can stick gameboy color cartridges in the hole

[obtuse wagon]

god tier if it did

[grand trench]

Hi, glad to see the announcement of the 80he, what are the dimensions of this keyboard please?

[upbeat berry]

how did you figure it out

[glad fable]

We dont know yet

[dusk yew]

i personally dont like it but i dont like a lot of things that grow on me and i'm going to buy it because its functional, and wooting makes great products. i want my F and arrow keysback

[fallow lance]

i was expecting you to say penis but you went to game boy, i dunno if im sad or surprised

[vagrant haven]

The arrow key placement themselves aren’t bad. It’s the space around them. There’s it just makes the keyboard look off balance and looks like dead space. They could honestly stamp a wooting logo to fill the space and it would probably looks 15% better.

[grand trench]

ahh ok. thank you for answering.

[haughty robin]

Wdm? It is aligned horizontally? Are you talking about the 1u spacer?

[glad fable]

something like a badge 🤔

[vagrant haven]

Pretty much

[fallow lance]

hes on about the page down/up, etc keys

[obtuse wagon]

A badge that can be changed out like that 1 custom keeb 🤔

Cant think of the name, but it had plates you could insert on the side

[rigid chasm]

there has to be a feature under the LED to justify simply not moving the arrow keys

[dusk yew]

bro disregard my bad. i was looking at this

so dumb 😂

now you see what i mean right

[obtuse wagon]

Anybody that wants that over the current 80HE is smoking crack

That arrow cluster alone is cursed

[dusk yew]

i dont like it

[glad fable]

I think it would look nicer if the arrow keys were aligned with the other keys yeah

[obtuse wagon]

Good its terrible, its the GMMK Pro

[vagrant haven]

Honestly it’s such a glaring missed opportunity that I wonder if they’re trolling with this teaser image and will release the badge on a later announcement.

[rigid chasm]

i would actually prefer it simply cuz its aligned

[fallow lance]

ngl i prefer that compared to whats on the 80he
dont exactly like it but still

[dusk yew]

it is on the wooting. thats my bad

[nova nexus]

Starts off on the wrong foot by being ISO

[obtuse wagon]

Its not tho the arrow cluster sits below the bottom row

[upbeat berry]

you wanna fight?

[rigid chasm]

aye so make it aligned with the bottom row as well and maybe the keyboard a few mm wider

[glad fable]

I mean like the arrow keys would look nice on the wooting if they were aligned with the end key

[upbeat berry]

mark come over ill fight you with a cook of making the better steak

[haughty robin]

Nah. Misalignment is more aesthetically pleasing. That’s what’s going on with the arrow keys.

The space to the right of them and the LED bar are a separate issue entirely.

[glad fable]

The reason the arrow keys look so odd is because it stands out more

[dusk yew]

i see. i didnt notice that but you're probably right.

yeah i could get behind that

[glad fable]

You look at the keyboard and everything is symmetrical until you see the arrow keys which stands out

[rigid chasm]

yes the arrow keys pop too much for no reason

[glad fable]

but that's my only complaint :v

[dusk yew]

i think moving it over to match the right alignment would have been better yeah

[foggy kayak]

Wanna smoke crack w me?

[dusk yew]

seems like a small thing tho

[obtuse wagon]

So I can see what you guys are seeing looking at the GMMK Pro layout

[haughty robin]

Intentional I think for ease of locating. But not everyone’s bag

[foggy kayak]

[obtuse wagon]

That fucking emoji is great

[rigid chasm]

it will be fine when using it for sure

[foggy kayak]

I’m gonna buy the 80he and still blow dick at everything I play

I’ll just feel cooler.

[glad fable]

Me 2 ✊

[haughty robin]

Not having to hit fn+escape for tilde is gonna make me happy again 🥲

[obtuse wagon]

Guessing the 80HE campaign becomes the biggest for Wooting

Seems every 1 gets bigger as they grow

[foggy kayak]

If they say founders get stickers I’m gonna lose it.

I need stickers to fulfill my purpose.

[midnight iron]

for real. I can stop rebinding my esc key to alt+esc

[nova nexus]

I'm going to make sure this happens

[midnight iron]

i had to bind tilda into my esc by default to make my video game binds make sense lol

[glad fable]

I want a novelty key to replace the Mode or esc key 🤤

[nova nexus]

I also want stickers

[haughty robin]

Yeah.. I just lost a bind 🥲

[foggy kayak]

Mark. If we get stickers I’ll pay for lunch.
If I just need to mail wooting $ I will.

[nova nexus]

I have a sticker from WootUp and it's soooo good