#Osto-Ayak (Doom of Mokhaiotl)

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night zephyr
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But that's not true

shell kraken
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Its not good odds

night zephyr
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Even your 45 hour example was below rate for all 3 uniques

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It's called coupon collector problem, you can't just see 1.01x for all 3 uniques and say you are expected to have all 3

shell kraken
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Also the 40-45 hours for 330 1-7 runs is pretty underestimated

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7.5 runs/h is pretty fast, especially for some shitter who can't learn 8

night zephyr
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Yeah that seems kinda fast for a non tbower.

fleet cargo
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its not that fast, what is it like 8m for 1-7 clear on average probably?

shell kraken
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Hell no

fleet cargo
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9 minutes? its not past 9

shell kraken
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Non tbow its 9 minutes easily

night zephyr
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Yeah no lol. I get 8 minutes on a good run

shell kraken
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And if ur bad at the game (which this person is) its probably closer to 10

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If not over 10

wise spire
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My 8 clears are typically 9-10 i think with scobo

night zephyr
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You add a minute on every other wave 5 run compared to your PB which is likely around 8 minutes going into wave 8

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Yeah 9-10 is typical even for someone good at game doing bp speed up tech after chally specs

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Every other wave 5 you don't get the skip and that's an extra minute

fleet cargo
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i know many people arent going to like what im saying here, but i think it should be considered especially bc I know there are HCIM or players who simply dont want to overly challenge/stim themselves by doing d8+

shell kraken
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You're just suggesting a bad method, accept it

fleet cargo
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i dont think its actually bad, i disagree

wise spire
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I've considered claiming at 10

shell kraken
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I think its also likely that you're just trying to justify your own non deep delve runs probably

fleet cargo
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with these rates

night zephyr
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So if you take 9.5 minutes all of a sudden you go 60 hours to hit expected rates for 3/3 uniques vs. 35 hours deep delving.

wise spire
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I think 7 claiming is dumb tho

night zephyr
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Hcim it's valid strat sure

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Cause this content is deadly as fuck

fleet cargo
night zephyr
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Why are you fighting for the noobs wanting to almost double their time spent grinding a boss?

fleet cargo
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bc i dont believe what youre saying, i dont think its double the time spent

night zephyr
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What part of it do you not believe?

fleet cargo
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when you factor everything together, learning/banking/resetting

shell kraken
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If you bend all the numbers your way then yeah it may look reasonable

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Just all your numbers are off

night zephyr
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You have to learn 1-7 also.

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You can't act like you wont die at all doing that

wise spire
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If you include crashing out from dying repeatedly and not seeing a unique then it probably is faster to 7 claim suffer

fleet cargo
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consider too, that delve 8+ take much longer than delve 1-7 floors on average

shell kraken
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Thats false too

night zephyr
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Do you not realize that delve 8+ is quicker than delve 7

shell kraken
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Deep delves are faster

fleet cargo
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much longer usually, because many players wont be able to kill him before boulder, 2nd shield

shell kraken
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Car phase is longer, better dps

night zephyr
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That's not true

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On 8 sure

fleet cargo
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prob not d5 though, on 8 yea

night zephyr
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But 8+ you can kill before 2nd shield that vast majority of the time with good gameplay

shell kraken
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Getting 2nd shield phase means you lose a lot of easy dps, if thats the case then you lose that dps on 6-7 as well probably

night zephyr
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I find myself getting a 2nd shield on delve 7 more than delve 8+ tbh

tulip spade
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are we assuming bp here or nah

elfin drum
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larva tracker plugin out of date now?

tulip spade
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seems that way 🙁

elfin drum
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😭

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time for bf6

gleaming hare
night zephyr
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Well I hit 6x expected uniques with 3 actual uniques.

Good thing I have 4 pets to make up for it though.

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civic surge
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You've not even begun to feel pain. Keep going!

night zephyr
dusty roost
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Who called them glowing holes anyways

fleet cargo
dusty roost
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It's killing me everytime I read it

fleet cargo
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It actually made me more upset that I had more uniques but the wrong ones rip

civic surge
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Lots of pets though!

dusty roost
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any secret strats for the melee task or is it just deal with the annoyance

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I am using emberlight

spice nest
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Kill back grubs before finishing shield phase like you would do perfect doom

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Although you can let grubs in just don't hit it near doom at non-shield phase

dusty roost
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makes sense

shell kraken
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Zombie axe is for example better dps than emberlight

dusty roost
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oh

shell kraken
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Also you'd be 5ticking emberlight for wave 3-6 which makes it even worse

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For me it was best to use hasta on crush for 1, 2, 7 and 8 and zombie axe for the waves in between. But maybe u have better options

dusty roost
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scythe seems best but I take it's gonna be awkward with splats?

shell kraken
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You cant use two handed

dusty roost
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right

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yeah then its emberlight

night zephyr
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Bring dds

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Spam them on car phase

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Don't be afraid to take stomps 6-7

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Bring lots of brews and it's not too bad

shell kraken
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Yeah getting the timings down for flinching to take no melee damage is good, that allows you to take stomps on 6/7/8

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Once you get that down and don't panic too much on 6+ its pretty free. Keep in mind that you keep damaging during car phase otherwise you go boom

steep trout
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can i cheap out and use inferior demonbane?

whole bronze
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Yep no need to use the more expensive ones

dense ginkgo
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Cheaper means you can also cast it while brewed down

dusty roost
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I've seen blowpipe recommended in some setups even with zcb/tbow, why is that

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is it just to 3tick tbow sometimes?

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I seem to never have leftover spec for blowpipe on the trees

desert thorn
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I believe a bp spec is better than tbow shots

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I primarily use it on car phase for healing, is very nice

dusty roost
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so I guess if you go deep enough bp heal > zcb dps

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I don't go past like 18-20 right now

desert thorn
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I usually go to 25-27 with no zcb and in my experience bp spec are a must on deep waves

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cause ur gonna let some grubs go in on deep waves and the bp is a free get out of jail card for those

dusty roost
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also am I doing something wrong with the tree skip thing? I am spam clicking after it does the last slam but half the time it doesn't work even if it dies

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did they change something?

shell kraken
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dont think so

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might be travel distance? are u shooting from narnia?

dusty roost
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no pretty close by

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I'll try to get a clip

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wait do you click as soon as he raised the shield or like after the shockwave comes out

dusty roost
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yeah nvm I rewatched a video and I'm just doing it wrong, was clicking too early

rotund raven
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best guide to get into this? waves so slow

night zephyr
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pecanbread

rotund raven
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looking for something that has specific tiles or something for later waves

night zephyr
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when you start getting to 6 learn something like sidewalk tech/widega

desert thorn
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only rank 121

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pretty good i would say

weary garden
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Good shit

rotund raven
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For sidewalk tech do i set it up the same way I do the first time?

spice nest
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You mean after first car and orb phase if it’s not dead yet? Think you just wing it

civic surge
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Yeah I'd just wing it if it goes further. It should pretty much always be dying almost immediately if it goes to a second car phase.

rotund raven
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my w6+ are like 3-4 minutes usually unless i rambo rubies unfortunately, get a lot of longer phases so was looking for an easier answer

rustic palm
rotund raven
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i dont know anything

rustic palm
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😔

rotund raven
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4 car phases ama

rustic palm
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one day....

dense ginkgo
spice nest
elfin drum
night zephyr
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Rubies?despair

tulip spade
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if not why tf you using rubies

rotund raven
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4 cars

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shit account new content idk

tulip spade
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please get a scorching bow and come back lol

rotund raven
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can't

night zephyr
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What are your accounts restrictions?

rotund raven
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really stupid ruby procs dont do damage to grubs/trees

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1def

tulip spade
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can you get blowpipe

rotund raven
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yeah just a pain in the ass to swap to sometimes with acid and cant even attack for a lot of the car phase unless i'm doing something wrong

tulip spade
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you can pipe the entire car phase if you set it up right

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well, the entire first one at least. for 2nd and beyond you're on your own lol

rotund raven
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feel like i was getting dragged from teh 1 square but will try again as i'm more comfortable now

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but yeah the other ones im in narnia hiding behind rocks def not reaching unfortunately

tulip spade
night zephyr
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1 def irons are cursed as hell. Have you considered leveling defence?

rotund raven
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no but did consider a detour for bowfa or something first, but this is only like 40 hours or something for cloth so just gunna stick it out i think

rotund raven
tulip spade
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yeah you need slightly different tiles to pipe

rotund raven
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damn

night zephyr
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Check pins

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I have a vid with some tiles you can mark and use

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There's tons you can use and blowpipe still though. You just won't be technically sidewalking. You have to move out of the way. But tons of tiles that you can move out of the way in 1 tick

elfin drum
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Just use widegas tiles to bp

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Easier

rotund raven
rotund raven
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we've done it

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ty for help

unborn girder
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Did you get cloth yet

weary garden
dusty roost
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I feel like I could be on a similar track

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tbf I have way less deeps

civic surge
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You are definitely unlucky, but not alarmingly so.

heady flicker
night zephyr
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Might be a little over.

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I have 2400 delves and 450 deep and I'm already above 6 expected uniques.

heady flicker
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I’m at close to 3 expected uniques (not counting pet) and 110 deep iirc

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Claimed a bunch and ran with karambs early on

night zephyr
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Yeah I fell to the 1-7 cope before rates were released.

dusty roost
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for me it's just skill issue but it finally clicked now and I get to 16-20 regularly lol

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It also took me a lot of attempts to get the cas done

tulip spade
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what do we think of the rumors about deep delves not having the proper drop rates
seems like cope to me, if something was off wiki crowd sourcing could have picked it up by now

winter garden
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Reddit cope

tulip spade
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yeah my money is on dudes going like 12 deep and then being surprised when most of their uniques come from 1-8

dusty roost
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I saw gnome allude to something like that so I think it's wrong

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clicked on the stream first time in forever, he's complaining about stuff and I clicked off 10 mins later lol

civic surge
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Humans are incredibly superstitious.

night zephyr
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It's pretty easy to understand if you put in all your 1-7 waves into the calc and see your expected uniques and then only put in your deep delves. Gives you a good idea of the ratio

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But that requires critical thinking and spending 1 minute putting numbers in before you complain on reddit.

steep trout
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People have never taken a stats class not understanding that expected value is after a insane sample size

unborn girder
unborn girder
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Only one of my 8 uniques was from a deep delved believe it or not

wanton skiff
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what is this boss

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main briar
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Deep delves:59

nimble crest
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1-5 reset meta off him

dusty roost
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I swear trying to utilize blowpipe fucks me up

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lose more ticks than I save hahaha

paper escarp
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How are you messing it up

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Just swap to bp for car phase

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Easy

dusty roost
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I have tbow

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just talking about 3ticking

paper escarp
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Oh

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That looks fun I guess it’s just practice

dusty roost
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yeah definitely

dusty roost
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why did I not get trees here? (ignore the scuffed lure)

night zephyr
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Too early

dusty roost
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is there any visual cue to look out for?

tulip spade
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unburrowing

shell kraken
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Also a small tip, try to look at shield hp. It was like 170 when there were 3 grubs coming (all 3 styles), you delayed until they got closer

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In that case I just kill one of them (range or mage) earlier since u only need 2, saves a tick

ripe obsidian
night zephyr
placid vortex
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For the double boulders on w8, is the prayer pattern always the same for both? Or can I get r/m/r first and then m/r/melee

tulip spade
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so yeah fixed pattern that you can predict by looking at the boulder

placid vortex
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Ty

proper cargo
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300 kc at cox right now and no rigour - should I continue the cox grind for rigour before starting to learn doom? Or can I jump into doom?

plucky turret
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rigour at doom gonna be much bigger i feel

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esp if you happen to have shadow already for chambers

civic surge
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No reason not to do Doom if you want to.

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I think it's mostly considered that you should do Doom before cox prayers in fact.

fleet cargo
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You really don't need cox prayer to farm doom

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It's nice but it's not the key to deep delving

dense ginkgo
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you should get Deadeye or Rigour

scarlet jay
dusty roost
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It's pretty ugly but nice to see shadows

shell kraken
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So annoying when the rock you place from the double boulder during shield phase blocks your path and just cancels your walking

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instead of pathing around or w/e

fleet cargo
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Delve 8+ problemsclueless

dense ginkgo
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I used to have that problem before playing RS3 Leagues for a month and a half

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it genuinely made me so much better at doing two actions in one tick

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kind of forces you to because half the shit in the game stops you from moving unless you click the game world again in the same tick

toxic thunder
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should i be using nox hally instead of chally in 6+ if trying to delve as deep as possible? i dont have zcb so not using spec for damage feels a bit wasted

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or should i just be using it for healing with bp

dense ginkgo
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once you're actually killing 8+ yeah, use your spec on scobo 1-5 and bp 6+

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and use nhally instead of chally

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(you should bin thralls at that point too)

night zephyr
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I don't have nhally, but I find it fine to use both chally + blowpipe with lightbearer and double DC.

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Consistently getting 15-19 with scobo.

dense ginkgo
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you weren't getting acid issues?

elfin drum
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You just stop speccing after 6

night zephyr
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No I send chally specs up to my PB.

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Acid starts becoming annoying at like 14 with scobo and chally speccing whenever I can.

But blowpipe healing is enough to offset it. Gets really unbearable closer to 20 though.

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I've become more conscious of going for the cleanup orbs too.

desert thorn
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I was using a chally always and my pb was a 28 but tbow probs was doing the heavy lifting

dense ginkgo
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yeah sounds solid then

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I cut chally and thralls around the same time, makes sense that thralls were doing most of the terrorism

heady flicker
elfin drum
night zephyr
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But I typically use one BP spec on doom if low and save one for a tree. So even if I use two during the wave. LB + DC already has me back at least close to 1 chally

night zephyr
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I ran out of antis and converted to cure me.

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new 20 pb after getting used to it

coral basalt
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Feels like an obvious answer, but is this plugin telling me that I should have 9 total uniques?

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night zephyr
coral basalt
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Not terrible, not great

night zephyr
coral basalt
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Just praygeing for Eye and I'm out of here

night zephyr
harsh saffron
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If I had gotten treads and eye first I probably wouldn't have gone back for cloth, but I'd be making a big mistake because those gloves are amazing

night zephyr
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I'm losing hope

shut hawk
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Are there any guides to learn to get started?

paper escarp
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Nah it’s genuinely very intuitive to learn by just going there and looking at what’s happening

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I’d say the guides are more for pushing wave 8+

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I mean there might be a complete beginners guide but you’ll have a better time imo just giving it a go

night zephyr
night zephyr
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They claimed deep delves don't matter because the majority of their drops were from the lower level. No shit, lol. The majority of your delves were lower level

winter garden
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deepest delve : 12

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the jokes write themselves

shell kraken
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Honestly the majority of my drops are lower levels genuinely donnt think deep delves matter all that much

No shit

desert thorn
rotund raven
winter garden
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Not wrong…

ripe obsidian
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Is this saying I have a 62% chance of having 5 drops total?

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main briar
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no it's saying that on average you should have 5.62 drops

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or ~5 if you don't count the pet

limpid badger
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I love plugins whose sole purpose is to facilitiate complaining about rng

ripe obsidian
limpid badger
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1.852 + 1.674 + 1.463

night zephyr
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Can't believe the worst choice of UI became the most-used plugin too. First-movers advantage I guess.

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And it includes pet misleading people too.

main briar
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still better than the clog one

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the percentile dogshit

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but it's pretty bad

night zephyr
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At least the clog one is understandable for most bosses if you have an understanding of percentiles.

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This one is unintuitive.

ripe obsidian
main briar
ripe obsidian
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i have 3 cloths lol, 0 eyes, 0 boots , 1 pet

night zephyr
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Yeah it's inheritly bad cause it 1. Has selection bias of only people who use the plugin and 2. Just doesn't work for a lot of bosses based on how their drop mechanics work

main briar
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showed someone who was like 15% on rancour at 600 kc or something the other day

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whcih uh

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bullshit

winter garden
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Doesn’t it just go off the drop rate? Seems weird to use it that way lol

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Even worse of a plug-in than I thought

night zephyr
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Oh does it show just fixed not based on other people percentiles? I mean it's a little better then, but that plugin is definitely still bad.

winter garden
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According to mad, no

main briar
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it might just be incorrect

night zephyr
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Reliance on 1 person calculating the drop rates of every single boss is destined to fail

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They will mess up at some point

main briar
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like what the fuck does this even mean, bottom 20% is not having a drop at around the droprate?

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maybe i just dont understand what it's trying to communicate

winter garden
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I always thought it was that 80% of ppl have the drop by that kc so ud be bottom 20th percentile

limpid badger
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61.5% of people would have the drop by 572

main briar
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oh I think it might just assume you're in the "middle" of the 39% that don't have the drop at that kc

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basically 100% of people don't have the pets so you're 50%

limpid badger
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how come the nally pieces are the same percentage then

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wouldnt the piece you have make you not in the middle for that piece

main briar
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no clue

shell kraken
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think it just groups them, so it goes off the full nhally?

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since its random what piece you get first maybe

main briar
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idk if it considers the kc you got it at

limpid badger
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either way its a cringe cope plugin that makes the numbers as depressing as possible allowing you to complain earlier

main briar
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is a bad plugin

shell kraken
fleet cargo
dusty roost
dense ginkgo
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Kinda

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Significant PVM upgrades matter too especially when they help with the place they're from

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TBow is the obvious example

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But most of the time yeah

dusty roost
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Fair enough

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One day someone will make a spreadsheet where you can enter desired items and it spits out average and median kc to get them

main briar
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Idk how possible it is to do in excel/sheets

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probably doable with scripts/vba

ripe obsidian
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Ty Jagex

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night zephyr
main briar
ripe obsidian
plucky turret
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heres mine cant be worse

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go ahead

desert thorn
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u sure

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plucky turret
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i meant in terms of being embarassed

desert thorn
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its okay we dont low deep delve shame people

winter garden
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ty jagex

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dense ginkgo
winter garden
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@stuck cape had a tile to get 250 d darts in a single claim and it took me over 800 deep delves lol

north axle
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that's a good tile

desert thorn
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Thats an interesting tile

night zephyr
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I remember a 242 claim on like 15. I claimed early for that bad boy

dense ginkgo
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like "I remember a floor 242 claim on like 15 darts"

dusty roost
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I'm sure someone who actually knows what they are doing could find a more efficient way

ripe obsidian
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If we get an eye is there any point in bringing the slayer staff? assuming still have another item left to get (boots) and want t o charge eye

tulip spade
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eye range can be pretty cumbersome at times

dense ginkgo
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staff can also refresh the boss's demonbane shield without needing to swap weapons

worldly jungle
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Staff/skull sceptre cheaper death costs

dusty roost
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Eye gives passive tears which is nice

dense ginkgo
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And works when brewed down

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I used eye after getting it, just putting the cons out there too

night zephyr
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Another pro is it lets you switch to lunars for cure me. I wish I switched earlier

ripe obsidian
night zephyr
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It's enough divine to last me till ~16-17. If I want to go deeper I usually have 1 full regular ranged pot left and turn on preserve/sip 1 every delve.

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Gear equipped is just void, scobo, prims, lb. Don't have a pic on hand with that.

ripe obsidian
night zephyr
ripe obsidian
night zephyr
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Masori has more benefit for lower waves, void has more benefit for higher. So if you are consistently delving deep void becomes worth it with tbow

ripe obsidian
tulip spade
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also you wanna stop summoning thralls on 6+

night zephyr
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1-9 you'll see more value from masori

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When you go deeper idk the exact cutoff/I doubt someone's mathed it out you'll switch to void.

ripe obsidian
main briar
tulip spade
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finished up with a cloth from level 4, pretty happy with my final stats

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dense ginkgo
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Hell yeah

ripe obsidian
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I wish I would've learned deep delves sooner. Anyone know a doom therapy group

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night zephyr
desert thorn
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but yeah as u said focus on deep delving thats what its gonna get u more uniques

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try to aim on getting 20+, deeper than that i would say its optional

tulip spade
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yeah 20 is a nice satisfying target, and IME lands around the point where you really have to start shedding brews for other supplies in order to keep going

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well, that's with blowpipe

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without pipe it's a lot harder to reach

elfin dove
desert thorn
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good ratio bro

golden plover
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Found the perfect Discord thread. Hello, fellow gamers. FeelsAnnoyedMan

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No glow in 300+ deep delves is crazy. It feels like a bug lol.

fleet cargo
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Brutal

tulip spade
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yikes

ripe obsidian
night zephyr
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Beast

ripe obsidian
night zephyr
golden plover
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finally free!!!!

tulip spade
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deserved, gz

ripe obsidian
# golden plover

I had about the same as you. The boots are so good it’s hard to do any other pvm until you get them lol

golden plover
fleet cargo
# golden plover

Complaining never fails, bro gets the drop day after posting lol

night zephyr
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I guess I gotta take a break from sailing and go get my treads like the rest of you guys in here