Yama - May 14

[radiant sky]

ah id give the ffa worlds a try, they're surprisingly okay most of the time even if you run into some ppl who just die if you nofly cuz they're not used to it

but if ur actually only soloing then i guess you could go straight to nofly but its somewhat difficult and id argue the kirby guide for it is pretty difficult to learn from

[opal zealot]

I have my two synapses but im still missing stuff like divine scb. Would ffas be better than solos for me?

[radiant sky]

i think duos in general are considered better so it only rly depends on the individual u run into and if he's very slow at banking for example

[opal zealot]

I see. I can imagine its certainly easier to get kc and be better loot even if I'm not in max

[radiant sky]

if you can friends list the ppl who insta start boss and use tele scrolls when they bank then ffa worlds become a lot better

might require some social engineering on your part if you have shit gear tho lol to make the best players willing to keep duoing

[opal zealot]

makes sense. Does Soloing to get practice then send ffas once i'm comfy sound like a plan? My gear isn't awful. I have the ability to make divine str and attack or regulat scb. I have my two synapses and occult + torm etc. I have torso and tassets etc.

Just not a torva/anc gamer

[radiant sky]

ye you prob want to solo until you dont rag p3 or have to bank halfway into 1 scb

if you dont have friends or other learners to duo with that is

maybe you could find other learners in ffa worlds but i havent rly seen any looking there

[opal zealot]

i appreciate the help. I have the rest of yama down, just have to get comfy in p3.

[balmy raft]

what's the point of this? double mage is better dps and easier

[plain raft]

holy

after like 2 and a half weeks of radiant attempts, we are a radiant gamer

mostly burnout and low self esteem making it impossible to want to log in to try

got my first kill last night on a normal account, sent 12 contracts on my ironman... wasted them all. farmed 21 more and used 7

all said and done, i think i used about 55 to finish sensory

[heady oracle]

Gzzzz, I’m learning sensory at the moment. Any tips?

Doing the jo-ack method currently

[plain raft]

i did the kirby method. i just ran like a chicken with its head cut off in p3

when i was killing orbs*

best tip i can give you is pick a strat and stick with it. i tried cloudfly and kirby and i felt the most comfortable with kirby

i also had more success with sacrificing an attack if it meant getting yama in a more comfortable spot to bow

[heady oracle]

Yeah that’s what I was planning to do as well, I feel like once you get the hang of the cloudfly cycle it’ll be easier

Just a matter of practice

[plain raft]

i guess, i think both of them ultimately are easy if you can get the cycle down

there's not much rng at all in the fight, so once you have the core mechanics down it's pretty consistent

[atomic surge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqMZQtM4Dno

[faint lily]

Beast but what the hell is wrong with his GPU.

[balmy raft]

dude's playing on a crt

[elder sky]

Did my partner enter 2t late (:15), never seen that happen

https://streamable.com/dhw2wq

[faint lily]

Vids not loading for me. But I know it is possible to stall the tele with various things. My duo was 4 ticks late because he spellbook swapped right before the tele when we were goin for GM times.

[elder sky]

yeah i remember that happening yday when i did my time

[faint lily]

But if they were spam clicking it looks like you were able to move on tick 4 and they were able to move on tick 6 from your counter. So yeah seems like 2 ticks. Would need to see their POV to verify though

[faint lily]

So how do void flares work for bloodied blows? You lose the max hit guarantee on them?

Watching that HC vid makes me think it's not gonna be that bad at all with 27% magic damage. I think I'm gonna try to send it.

[plush shadow]

ur hp determines ur max on them i believe

with max gear u can sit at 15 hp and 1shot them

with worse gear ud prob have to sit lower idk thersholds for that

watching that vid ig he opted to avoid camping low hp and dealt with 2-3shotting void flares instead

idk why sometimes hes able to 1 shot them though and other times he hits 29s

[radiant sky]

ah i remember wondering why nobody was doing the bloodied blows contract on high enough hp to 2 shot them

but ye i have no idea why he sometimes 1 shots them even on 80 hp

i guess he still has a high max hit but his min hit is low?

[plush shadow]

thats what i thought to maybe his min hit is increased

but sometimes he hits triple 19s b2b2b

could be rng idk how it works

[radiant sky]

its pretty funny how he's basically 100% reliant on rng to ever kill the boss

[plush shadow]

like it seems to lean on him hitting his min hits rather then his max but idk

[faint lily]

I could definitely work out an hp that lets me guaranteed 2 shot the flares still

that seems very doable

he was camping very high

[radiant sky]

from watching the video i think the problem is waves seem to hit mid 60s

so you cant just camp 40 hp and be safe from 1 shots like normal

so maybe there just isnt any benefit to staying high hp to 2 shot

[faint lily]

I mean if you are doing with 15 hp you are gonna die to a wave regardless

I only have 27% magic dmg so I dont think ill be able to 1 shot regardless of hp

[radiant sky]

ye my point is maybe you get 1 shot regardless of if you stay on 14 hp to 1 shot or 40-50 hp to 2 shot

[faint lily]

I saw him take a few 30s

[plush shadow]

i think ur guarnteed though at low hp to always hit it

and its rng to be able to do it at higher hp

ur dps on boss is also way higher

if ur lower hp

[faint lily]

dps point is fair

I'll have to do testing when I get out of sensory hell

18% hp PB so far. almost 50 in.

[plush shadow]

i think if ur not hcim the reg strat is still pretty chill

mechanically its prob the easiest one imo just no room for mistakes

[radiant sky]

bloodied blows has the most chill p1+p2 by far

[faint lily]

I'm just limited by magic dmg % so the reg strat just might be more difficult sometimes 1 shotting sometimes 2 shotting.

[radiant sky]

its so fast to get to p3 and no real risk

[plush shadow]

p3 itself is also really fast

[radiant sky]

p3 with low magic dmg sounds rough tho

dunno if id go for that but if you're practicing on main then i guess why not

its for sure doable

[faint lily]

Yeah using main

[plush shadow]

idk what his new snap max is but if only diffrence is camping 13-14 hp its ntb imo

[faint lily]

I'm missing a lot of magic %

[radiant sky]

new magic gear is coming soon so that is always an option to wait for

[faint lily]

27%, I have duke and new magic stuff penciled in to get me across the line

but I feel like bloodied blows is doable

Divine severance might be a bit harder

[radiant sky]

ye i think its for sure doable

[plush shadow]

i am prob just biased cuz ive only done bloodied the more classic way

meathod prob works with some experince improvising like kirby meathod for sensory clouding

[faint lily]

I guess I could jump in pretty quick and test my minimum hit in 1 contract

[heady oracle]

ah tried to link gearscape calc but wont let me

[heady oracle]

can use gearscape to calc instead of wasting 1 contract

[sacred badge]

My one interaction with gearscape was trying to figure out what someone else was doing wrong in their calc only for me to figure out they treat KCB as a bow, idk about that lol

[elder sky]

does anyone know how much time burning claws saves over emberlight or how to calc it

no memes...

[stiff dagger]

on the bitterkoejke dps calc you can fiddle with stuff a lot, you'd wanna calc the TTK with both then just compare

For claws:

• you can calc E(damage) of the claw spec
• then remove the E(damage) from the boss's HP box and see what the TTK is, then add 2.4s for the claw spec

For ember:

• calc the probability of emberlight hitting, P(hit), and the E(damage) of the hit
• then calculate the TTK if emberlight misses, keeping HP the same, not lowering defence, and adding 2.4s for the spec again, call this TTK A
• and calculate the TTK if emberlight hits, lowering HP by E(damage), lowering defence, and adding 2.4s for the spec, call this TTK B
• then the average TTK is the weighted average of this:
• Average TTK = P(hit) * B + (1 - P(hit)) * A

[misty marlin]

I made a spreadsheet calc of the above logic a while back, if you're interested I can dig it up

[elder sky]

trying to unravel when the burning claw specs does

[civic epoch]

i dont think you are one of the 2-3 people that can calc bclaws spec....

so you are out of luck

[forest island]

no memes...

[civic epoch]

[wraith summit]

Wouldn't you just take the dps of both, subtract the difference, then multiply by 2.4s?

Or take expected hit of each and just subtract, that's more straightforward actually

Then say it's like 25 damage, ember dps is ~10, it saves 2.5s

If you're comparing the defence reduction then same thing, only now you're comparing the ttk

[stiff dagger]

Yeah can't do that as you need to allow for the probability of ember hitting, and once you do allow for that you're doing the same calc, just in a different order

[wraith summit]

Eh, tl;dr click boss

[umbral cradle]

I've got a spreadsheet for burn damage, and code for a full simulation of the spec if u need

my message was blocked by discord

https://pastebin.com/qLaVGniF

[elder sky]

thats perfect, i need to digest the code to understand what burning claws are actually doing but it seems to work

[elder sky]

just so i understand, the bottom one is for emberlight spec?

[faint lily]

I probably should have afked a bunch of sensorys before getting a kc on main

[stiff dagger]

Yee

[median bobcat]

Just got 3:55 yama solo, that kill seemed fast af

[faint lily]

I fumbled the bag

[faint lily]

3/5!

Bag secured

[wide crypt]

Idk man I don’t do calcs I just play the game and saw people doing this. Assumed it was better

[faint lily]

Does this inventory seem fine for bloodied? (ignore gear gonna be scuffed)

[sudden ocean]

what the brews for

[faint lily]

Idk honestly. Brought 2 for sensory during judge. Figured I'd angler brew and be fine for judge phase.

Maybe just 1 brew?

Or is 1 angler enough for judge?

[sudden ocean]

i combo ate with bwans for judge

nothing more tilting than dying to judge on a contract

i had hella moth mixes left after the kill

but that's also cause you don't need so many anglers

would take 4 or 5 ppots just to be comfy

[faint lily]

Does it help to bring a mix of moth mixes and rests? I made 20 mixes for sensory and never even used them lol.

[sudden ocean]

idts

i just used moths cause i cba making rests

[bleak moat]

I just used snowy knights. If you do cloudfly properly, you'll have plenty left over

[faint lily]

Okay I'll send like that too then. I don't wanna make rests lol.

This is for bloodied not sensory

[sudden ocean]

adding more choices like that is just too much for my brain

[faint lily]

I just finished sensory and didn't use any of my mixes lol.

[bleak moat]

Yeah, I used snowy knights and locator orb combo for bloodied

aka "we have rests at home"

[sudden ocean]

is cloudfly a general contract p3 method?

[bleak moat]

just sensory

[faint lily]

Yeah it's only labbed for when he's chasing.

[sudden ocean]

guh

[faint lily]

You spend a lot of contracts learning it, but makes your attempts a lot more consistent

Glad I committed to it. I feel like my nerves would have screwed me over doing Kirby

[bleak moat]

I still think its funny the guy the posted the video of it said he got skill issued by other methods, so he made this really complex kiting method

[faint lily]

I read his comment how we went about labbing it. Excel freak

[bleak moat]

fucking mad man

[faint lily]

I would love to see what that excel doc looks like

Curious if I'll get skill issued by my magic DMG % forcing me to 2 shot all the P3 flares in bloodied and divine severance.

[faint lily]

https://youtu.be/NjWslPrlCqo?si=YkWu_hGrKbP_cuRQ

I found this after some searching.

Can still get 1 shots with 30% magic DMG at under 10 hp and under.

Not gonna help with divine severance, but at least could get me to 4/5 with some grinding before delve.

[heady oracle]

Gl king, I had to sit at 12hp or less and I brang angler karam x2 and the rest guthix rests

Double eat for each judge phase (right as you transition because fuck planking there)

[faint lily]

Does Yama only max 5s for bloodied P3?

If so I think I can 1 shot flares in my gear camping 6 hp the whole time.

so basically locator + guthix rest whenever I see flares pop up.

[sudden ocean]

half of what he maxed on release i think

so like 6?

[heady oracle]

Max of 6 from my understanding

How much more mage bonus do you need to gain a few hp?

[faint lily]

Could probably go get mages book and be fine being around 7-8.

Just makes it a bit harder to calibrate. Instead of simple, locator to 1, eat guthix rest

Will have to rock cake to the hp instead when flares spawn and camp above it

[heady oracle]

Elidinis and mages book have same bonus hey

[heady oracle]

Yeah trying to stay at 10 was a pain let alone being much lower than that

[faint lily]

Didn't get a ward.

[heady oracle]

Oh I thought this was your gear mb

#1368632190723821729 message

[faint lily]

Oh lol. I was matching my irons magic damage % with the cheapest gear on the main for death costs

[heady oracle]

Ahhhh I see

[faint lily]

Anyone have a clip or screenshot of Yama hitting a 6 post bloodied blows changes?

I've watched 3 different P3 vids now and have only seen a 5 max.

I'll just send my 6 HP strat tomorrow and see how it goes I guess

[brittle light]

Would prefer not to share the doc but here's a screenshot.

Red tiles you need to be away from Yama to dodge melee on next tick, Yellow is start of new attack rotation.

'Kirby" is tick counter used on the kirby sensory example clear on his channel which I used for reference.

letter labels under 'Area' were my markings for when the shadow waves are unsafe. Where the wave is visually and when it is unsafe don't exactly match due to waves' movement/damage processing before player movement (I think). 'a' when the waves' cross was on the furthest reachable tile from the throne and 'k' for when the waves' cross is directly in front of throne.

[faint lily]

Legend. Very interesting. Thank you for sharing! And thanks for the method!

Didn't mean Ill intention calling you an excel freak btw. I'm in the accounting world, so I'm in excel sheets all day as well and am a fellow excel freak.

[bleak moat]

🐐

[misty marlin]

I was messing around with this today, just fyi even the latest bitterkoekje calc doesn't apply burning claws demonbane property

[misty marlin]

In absolute bis I calced that 1 Emberlight spec saves an expected 6.94 seconds, 2 Emberlight specs save an expected 13.78 seconds. Alternatively 100% of bclaw special attack energy is expected to save 4.87 seconds

[wraith summit]

What about after speccing down his defense though?

[misty marlin]

theoretically there's no reason to emberlight spec him when he is already drained

[wraith summit]

Sure, but say you land one or two, bclaw value will change

Also 5s for 100% spec sounds low

[misty marlin]

that's compared to doing emberlight hits instead

[wraith summit]

Are bclaws that mid?

I need to sit and math it all out with bgs too

[misty marlin]

I'm using an estimation for the burn, but at least bclaws on a full defense Yama are pretty mid

They're much better on a drained Yama, but it's obvious that DPS specs are better than emberlight hits, and an emberlight spec on a drained Yama is just a less accurate emberlight hit

[wraith summit]

I think the relevant one is 3rd ember vs claws

Since it's effectively half value

[misty marlin]

I can calc that if you're interested

[wraith summit]

Yeah that would be cool

[misty marlin]

Since I'm doing it for your needs do you want me to calc it for your gear too, or just assume bis

[wraith summit]

Eh, just assume bis

I can run my specific things later if it's close

[misty marlin]

looks like a 3rd emberlight spec is expected to save 1.28 sec, and a bclaw instead is expected to save 1.61 sec

these calcs are pretty imperfect though, I forgot yama gets higher style specific defenses during enrage

that would favor 3rd emberlight spec more

[wraith summit]

Bclaw though would sorta be x1.667 since it's a 30%

Also I'm guessing you're calcing from full hp?

[misty marlin]

I was calcing from 1650 to simulate speccing after 1st judge

assuming enrage at 825 hp and soloing, you average a 1.45 second faster ttk at 145 def compared to 157

lemme calc how much of a timesave bclaws on the 825 hp p2 portion are over emberlight spec instead of assuming the whole 1650 hp

[wraith summit]

Yeah, can probably back track the logic for earlier in the fight from there

[misty marlin]

just looking at the 825 p2 hp, 1 emberlight spec is expected to save 0.61 sec, 2 bclaw specs are expected to save 3.24 seconds. adding in the 1.45 sec timesave from 145 def p3, emberlight spec saves 2.06 sec, making it worse than sending the 2 bclaws in p2

my calcs assume thralls, and torva helm + oathplate chest/legs

[wraith summit]

So the conclusion is bclaw over 3rd emberlight in most cases

Which is neat

Also means I don't have to slam bgs so hard, can go for like 30 and an emberlight

[misty marlin]

Highly recommend avoiding all of the above questions by investing in a Jagex sanctioned horn maul alt

Because nothing says "Ironmen stand alone" like bonding up a 2nd account to solo Yama with 145 defence and a full specbar instead of a 165 defense Yama with no specbar

[faint lily]

I'm getting skill checked by 27% magic damage. I can 1 shot at 6 HP, but it's very hard when I have 2 flares to kill and I get the b2b autos from Yama on me.

I think I'm just gonna go get mages book to go up to 29%, and be able to 1 shot at 8 HP. Little more leeway should make it more consistent.

[faint lily]

Nevermind, I dont even get a max hit at 7 hp with mages book.

Guess I'm comitting to the 6 hp struggle

[sudden ocean]

grinding a mages book to maybe get a 2 hp advantage is a runescape moment

[heady oracle]

Post gear?

[faint lily]

I've calced it, but this is what I am working with.

I'm rocking the titans 3% prayer. I would need to get up to 30% magic damage to be able to hit 71s at anything above 6 hp. Would let me get all the way up to 10hp.

So, I am looking at mages book + eternals or mages book + augury to get there.

I think I've come up with a method to consistently get to 6 hp right for void flares. Gonna bash my head against the wall for at least 50 contracts before I give up and start MTA.

If Mages book + seers ring (I) got me there I would go get them, but thats a lot of potential hours for augury or eternals. Would rather just send the contract the harder way.

[misty marlin]

the upside of getting eternals and magus ring is that you'd have eternals and magus ring

[faint lily]

Both have reasons to delay with summer sweep changes

Otherwise I am with you

[misty marlin]

im out of the loop, what are they changing about cerb and duke

[faint lily]

Cerb, ward of arceus will half the ghost prayer drain.

Duke will allow you to left click use ingredients on him and prep 3 kills at once.

[misty marlin]

neat

[faint lily]

The HP management is a bit annoying, but it'll definitely work. Just got to 25% hp left on P3.

only 2 hp less wiggle room than the original bloodied blows range

[remote horizon]

actually so neat

[lusty pike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCXwFw1WgBU

[sudden ocean]

looks nice, still salty that an endgame boss is balanced around a spec weapon that has a guaranteed bind on it tho

[atomic surge]

post the TD log

[sudden ocean]

i would have to log in to do that

but i have like 1500 kc or something

1 synapse and 5? claws

[vast quarry]

my first synapse

[faint lily]

That looks easier than Kirby or cloudfly.

[bleak moat]

damn, homeboy cooked a new chicken

[quiet marsh]

What's the expected number of oathplate shards per kill for solos?

[umbral cradle]

0.8075 shards per kill accounting for direct shards from yama, and from lockboxes, but NOT accounting for destroying dupe oathplate pieces for 50 shards, because I don't think anybody would do that

[tired ivy]

what about shard contracts?

[atomic surge]

about 10% more

[sudden ocean]

anyone still need a yama partner 🥺

[tired ivy]

Yo

[frozen dome]

Yo

[runic obsidian]

is learning nofly a hard req for glyphic

or is it possible to just wing it p3

[umbral cradle]

i think it's easier to just learn nofly than slam ur head against the wall

it's really not much to learn tbh, I made a video explaining my thought process behind learning it, this might help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CZjKw_e04Q

and ull find that it's very useful for grinding reg yama

donofly/set patterns have a lot of downsides

[elder sky]

nofly was worth learning for sure

[sudden ocean]

very fun to do too

[molten kelp]

does the timing for starting donofly vary by a tick or something? sometimes I get meleed instantly despite using the same timing (i'm always host so it's not that)

[sudden ocean]

if you try to do the instant start then your start will depend on your spawn location, i.e. you need to recognize whether to delay a tick or not

you always wanna be on a certain attack tick relative to yama

[molten kelp]

oh yeah i am aware of the spawn location thing, i think

if i spawn 2 tiles away from the delay tile then i wait a tick

if more then i don't wait

[sudden ocean]

yea something like that

yama's cycle is consistent, your position is what varies

[umbral cradle]

you could be getting delayed

[molten kelp]

how do you mean

as far as i can tell i am doing the delay tile properly... should probably get video of it going wrong

[runic obsidian]

if you're duoing then you can get meleed if your teammate spawns a tick before you, and you're more than 2 tiles away from delay tile

in solos it shouldn't ever happen though

[molten kelp]

this is probably it then. how do you prevent it?

[heady oracle]

What worked best for me is being aware of your vs your duos timing

You can get delayed on spawn and still get into the first hit timing if you’re closer to the boss (anywhere that’d you’d normally delay a tick before hitting) by skipping the 1t delay

If you’re further away, you need to meet the duo on the 1st outer tile that you run to after the first hit

[umbral cradle]

you avoid it by:

1. neither player misses a tick (or if you do, you go back on-tick)
2. nobody steps on the south edge of the island

[molten kelp]

I see, I was duoing with someone who wasn't meleeing p3

in that situation would i just need to tell them to run towards the boss at the start of p3?

[faint lily]

What the other player does P3 has no effect. It's about not missing ticks during judge.

[molten kelp]

ohhhhh so this is about the judge

[faint lily]

Yeah the 2 factors that Greg typed are about judge.

Those two things will determine if you are late or not spawning into P3.

Now it is important to note that if your teammate misses a bunch of ticks it could also screw you over. Which I would guess could be happening to you if you are going with people who still aren't meleeing P3

[molten kelp]

lol well i certainly haven't always been tick perfect, i tend to lose a tick when making my first mage switch, maybe i should do that before getting teleported instead

[faint lily]

What I liked best was making the mage switch after being teleported.

There's a window when you are on the spawn island that you can queue your gear swap but cannot move yet. You do the swap right when the little circle above you starts fading.

Then right when you can move your queued gear will swap.

[umbral cradle]

u need to equip purging + click a rock on the same tick in order to not lose time in judge, or pre equip

[median bobcat]

I like to equip purging and click judge on the same tick

[elder sky]

does anyone have any yama drop trackers w/elite clues

me & my partner have two loot trackers with 1 in 100 rate seems very wrong

[faint lily]

If you both did a lot of early kills, it didn't even have clues dropped at first and then had a rarer rate of 1/66 before being changed to 1/30.

That might be why

[elder sky]

did my first yama kill 2 weeks in

which is roughly when rate was changed to 1 in 30

[molten kelp]

btw, what does "go back on-tick" mean here? Attacking on same tick as your partner?

[umbral cradle]

yea

[molten kelp]

i see. so the delay results from not dealing the last hit to judge on the same tick as your partner

[umbral cradle]

yea it's a little funky

[heady oracle]

If you don’t mind missing the first hit you can guarantee getting into cycle by always missing the first hit

And standing on the “delay” tile (unsure if that’s the name of yours but the tile you run out to after the first hit) and then click on him after he starts his first attack animation

[elder sky]

[faint lily]

Didn't they say it was updated to 1/30?

The code says 66

[tired ivy]

https://i.imgur.com/RePB7Za.png

[winter seal]

Lol

[wraith summit]

Dkho coming in hot with the unpaid game tester role

[sudden ocean]

What the

[molten kelp]

ok this is good to know, so if i'm out of sync or just want to be safe i can guarantee the cycle this way huh

[elder sky]

is there a good strat for glyphic when the waves come out and yama does the flame spec

or do i have to tank this

[steady temple]

Could skip. There's always time to dodge it though

[elder sky]

yeah 2 ticks of immunity but hard to know in the moment

[steady temple]

Need to stand behind glyph (opposite side from wave)

In that pic you are closer to wave so you aren't in position to skip through

[elder sky]

ill prob practice meteor skipping getting hit by waves isnt the worst outcome

[steady temple]

Meteor skip is pretty easy. Click back the tick the text appears above Yamas head, the tick after click him, then the tick after walk past him

[plush shadow]

how hard is shard contract in duo?

[umbral cradle]

idk anyone other than streamers who have done those

[plush shadow]

ik they made alot of changes figured it might not be to bad now but idk

got one on the iron and exactly push of shards i need

not betting on it but if its somewhat viable ig id try it

[elder sky]

Seen @heavy imp do some

@sharp lantern sorry meant him

[plush shadow]

🔥

honestly i was just looking at vods i doubt i can do this with only 1attempt

[faint lily]

Kirby has tiles that you can click when shadow wave is on them and it dodges them while walking. Just got a pay attention that you pick a good glyph that you are walking away from boss

[sharp lantern]

Can practice with pizzas its the same contract

[sudden ocean]

https://youtu.be/-ZonTxlJAb4

No scobo 👀

[surreal rock]

Lets go

Been waiting for someone to drop a method like that

[radiant sky]

kinda looks like the most difficult method so far

doubt ppl who haven't learnt nofly for example could do this very easily

have to be very confident with the step back timings it seems like

[winter seal]

feel like u might as well do jojack instead since that has waves presolved

[faint lily]

Yeah that's 2 weeks old. I remembering seeing that and it reminds me of the meme where it's like "draw the rest of the horse" and it does all the details.

"Do nofly"

[elder sky]

thats pretty good understanding of nofly required that goes beyond memorising tiles

[sudden ocean]

method without stunning the boss half the phase looks more difficult

it's also not normal nofly since he follows you, looks easier

seems like you can just wing it for the fireball spec as long as you can keep his 7t rhythm in mind (or use visual metronome or whatever)

[elder sky]

feel like if ur getting a 1 kc scobo is the way

[faint lily]

To me it just seems like some who is capable of doing that method probably doesn't need a method like that to begin with.

If you have the ability to do the latter part of that method you have the ability to freestyle the whole kill.

[surreal rock]

I'd rather learn nofly than grind out a 3rd synapse or 30 ancient shards

[surreal rock]

Isn't this just have a 7tick metronome going

Its like verzik

[tired ivy]

How do you have 0 ancient shards

[surreal rock]

That seems pretty normal no

I used arclight shards for tower nechs and demonic gorillas before tds came out

I had to include barrage nechs in my list to even get enough for emberlight when i got my 2nd synapse

[sudden ocean]

I figure I'll go for 2nd synapse for a couple more days before I try the no scobo method

With pretty much my only cope being that maybe it will be good for osto ayak too

And I don't want to unmake and remake the ember again

[sudden ocean]

nofly is fun, would recommend
but again i think this sensory thing has almost nothing to do with normal mode nofly

[surreal rock]

So if this is harder than just freestyle, I should just freestyle?

[plush shadow]

if u have alot of skotizo totems banked might help u get shards

kinda forgot about mine till recently

[sudden ocean]

i don't see where u got that interpretation

[balmy raft]

that method is just doing stepbacks while dodging waves and doing voidflares

it's just freestyling

there's like one tile marker to dodge a certain wave

[surreal rock]

1 totem + 2 shards

[surreal rock]

I think I should just give it a try lol, I'm maybe not fully in the loop

[surreal rock]

People were saying this earlier idk 😦

[radiant sky]

the contracts are pretty easy to farm so you can prob pick any method, even freestyling and just go for it

especially if you have a main acc

[sudden ocean]

yay the emberlight can stay

literally resorted to off task for this shit

[sudden ocean]

prob mentioned in here somewhere already but does anyone have the mage str thresholds to one shot void flares and/or their p1/p2 hp in contracts? particularly glyphic and sensory

ah wait you don't 1 shot p1/p2 nvm

so maybe just a 3 way mage is fine?

[faint lily]

Glyphic and sensory are just like regular Yama.

Divine severance is more, (81),

Bloodied blows is the same HP, but the difference is you don't guarantee max on them.

[sudden ocean]

[faint lily]

Wiki said it more elegantly, but yeah lol

[sudden ocean]

wiki seems inconsistent on describing the divine severance void flares because on some pages it just says some have reduced health

but w/e i only really care about glyphic and sensory rn

tyty

[faint lily]

You can just kill orange flare and use purple flare to dodge special + flare though

[sudden ocean]

yeah that's actually way nicer than in regular yama lol

i want to get a melee glyphic kc, which should be good practice for sensory

[faint lily]

Can even do both without worrying about getting DPS checked if you get 3 fire glyphs.

[sudden ocean]

i might practice with my other three contract types before doing glyphic

[faint lily]

I wanted to go back and do a proper melee glyphic contract KC, but the fact that I only have 1 of them kills my motivation to do that.

[sudden ocean]

yama has been really kind with dropping blue papers recently

[faint lily]

Nice. I did most of my KC before he dropped 3 contracts at a time, so my stacks weren't the best.

[sudden ocean]

fix your fucking game jagex

[faint lily]

Just bloodied blows and divine severance left for me (didnt even get a single divine severance contract)

But I'm currently grinding duke for a virtus piece or magus to make bloodied blows less difficult for me

[sudden ocean]

[faint lily]

1 more magic DMG % and I can camp 10 hp instead of 6 HP to still 1 shot flares during P3

[sudden ocean]

hmm

[faint lily]

Not sure what I'll do about divine severance since I need a bunch more to 1 shot those, but I'll try it with 2 shotting and if I get skill checked I'll wait for delve upgrades

[sudden ocean]

yea nearly doubling your hp for bloody will be nice

[faint lily]

I was cooking up a method to do it consistently with 6 HP, but it was very annoying and too much mental effort went to keeping HP at exactly 6 that dodging/shooting voidflares and praying correctly was too much mental overload.

Had like a 20% HP left PB, but then we got duke changes so I figured I'd just go for magus

I had to locator orb + guthix rest before every Yama attack when void flares were out.

[misty marlin]

see if you can hit the 40 prayer threshold with avernic, accuracy matters a lot

[sudden ocean]

lil better

[misty marlin]

lookin good, gl

[sudden ocean]

saw a meteor skip method that looks so clean, gonna try it out in regular yama first

prob better to just touch red glyph if possible in contracts but sometimes i find myself in narnia

[faint lily]

red glyphs hurt on glyphic so definitely useful to have.

[sudden ocean]

damn those glyphs really do hurt a lot

also didn't realize how pisschill ruby bolting made the prayer management since i could just flick everything

decent attempt til the stupid meteor death

[devout coyote]

there was no pray management with rubies because you didnt use offensives lol

[sudden ocean]

true

[bleak moat]

If you think that's bad, I was able to stab an elite clue aviansie with a rapier last night. I posted a screenshot in the hld channel

They're slipping

[sudden ocean]

lmfao

[plain raft]

Yup. Long fight but glyphic was a freebie

[atomic surge]

Might be easier to just do a 30 minute perfect unboosted ruby kill if you don't know no fly

[plain raft]

It could also be faster to learn no fly than do 30 min ruby kill 😂

It doesn't look particular hard to learn, but I did all my kc with maging p3 and got radiant before glyphic nerf

[sudden ocean]

I would recommend learning it with a patient duo partner

Sucks getting to p3 in a solo just to explode

[plain raft]

Yeah im giga burned at yama. Still need horn at 1400kc

Seen 4 uniques total

3 in my name, one very recently in a duos name

[faint lily]

I thought they completely disabled bolt procs in general so that wouldn't even be possible

[atomic surge]

Oh did they

I thought they just stopped scaling

[sudden ocean]

I already got glyphic with rubies but wanna get it the proper way lol

Since i learned nofly

[plain raft]

oh yeah they did disable ruby and diamond bolt procs

idk why i thought they just disabled the scaling

[tired ivy]

Wanna trade? I've got 4 horns and nothing else in 1250

[plain raft]

i'll give you dupe legs for horn

😄

i can't even get myself to log on rs much recently 😠

[faint lily]

Thank you Duke for the virtus robe bottom.

Bloodied blows down with 31% magic DMG. 4/5 with Divine severance left

[faint lily]

Ohh I just watched a divine severance vid.

I didn't know that the 2 set void flares spawns stayed at 71 HP and only the random one. This seems very doable. Sucks I have to farm the contracts though. I didn't get a single divine severance from Yama

[tired ivy]

I got the least of severance and clouding

https://i.imgur.com/OCDCoq1.png

[plain raft]

severance isn't too bad tbh

clouding is the only one you'd probably need more than 20 for

[faint lily]

My max is 80 so my thrall will finish the flare 3/4 of the time. Of course can't rely on that, but good to know to look out for.

[misty marlin]

Severance I found to be only a tiny bit harder than forfeit breath

[tired ivy]

Feels bad to have wasted a bunch of clouding contracts at 2m each when trying to do the emberlight cheese shit

[faint lily]

Wow even sensory is 100k now.

[plain raft]

yeah it's the easiest to afk lmao

[faint lily]

Definitely dumped like 50m learning it when they were 400k - 750k

[faint beacon]

do the shadow walls have IDs?

like, are they NPCs?

[winter seal]

No

[red marlin]

Is Yama completion much different if you duo with your other gim member? Would it be solo rates for completion, or even better since you both get more shards?

[steady temple]

Duo tends to be better due to lockboxes being a set droprate

Also a lot better on the mental

[sudden ocean]

Also lets you horn

[elder sky]

Alt solos 😂

[faint lily]

Do glyphs only protect against one flare explosion during divine severance?

I just walked on a purple glyph for the double flare explosion and then I died to it.

Also whichever jmods thought this contract was a good idea I have beef with. Killing flares 50% of P1/P2

And they made specials inconsistent to add on for some reason???????

[radiant sky]

I'm very happy with the jmods, think they did a surprisingly great job considering how little time was probably spent on these fights

and literally 0 testing probably considering the early fixes that had to be done

[faint lily]

I've enjoyed all the fights besides divine severance so far.

But do you know how or why I died there? @radiant sky Like if you take my word that I just stepped on the purple glyph. How could I have died?

[radiant sky]

Id assume a red flare exploded maybe?

[faint lily]

But its purple explosion in top left corner

[radiant sky]

oh i didnt know the explosions had different colours

[faint lily]

I actually dont know if that is 100% red or purple, but I was assuming based on it being purple

would be weird if red flares explode like that with purple color

[radiant sky]

no clue but I do still think that's the most reasonable option if you just stepped on a purple glyph

[faint lily]

Yeah thats probably it

I may also be enjoying this contract a lot less cause of constantly having to 2 shot the flares

tempted to not even have a thrall up. Would rather consistently 1 attack, then spec it. My thrall finishes it off 75% of the time, but screws up my timing/focus when it doesn't and I could have just specced it instead

[radiant sky]

is that the contract where you have to do 4 flare hits sometimes when both red spawn on full hp

I remember there is one where killing the flares is really tight sometimes

[faint lily]

I believe so.

I havent had that yet, but have had 1 red full 1 red half so assume it could do 2 red full

But thats the same as 2 full reds for me since I cant 1 shot

[faint lily]

Ok im getting the hang of P1/P2 now.

The main thing that is screwing me over is when he spawns 3 flares. (lets say 2 purple flares 1 red), the next special is a purple special. And then, I kill the red flare. Get ready for purple special and the dude doesnt do his special when he normally does.

So I use the glyph only to tank flares, and run out of glyphs for the next purple special.

What am I supposed to do in that situation? Never anticipate him doing the special and start killing the 2 purple flares also?

And the part that annoys me is that it does not seem consistent.

Most of the time he does do the special, and I can just ignore the flares/glyphs running out

[radiant sky]

Can't remember tbh

sounds like you should just kill all flares?

[faint lily]

Yeah I think so.

Just annoying how much of the fight you spend killing flares then.

And I see videos of people relying on that to skip killing them all.

[tired ivy]

What do you mean he doesn't do the special? Is that a thing?

[faint lily]

Instead of doing the special, he spawns a flare.

Every single clear video I see seems to either get lucky and the special always occurs, or they have 3 shadow glyphs to deal with it when it doesn't happen.

Makes me tempted to just ignore the mechanic and call it unlucky if both success chances don't occur.

Have plenty of contracts from afking that I can spend an extra couple on getting a good run.

[tired ivy]

I haven't seen that in any vids but it's the only contract left for me to do...

[faint lily]

I've watched 5 vids now, and every single one they either have 3 purple glyphs or it always does the shadow special after getting 3 flare spawns.

I'm gonna just hope I get either of those and not worry about killing all 3 flares.

50/50 shot it's not even a mechanic you have to worry about the second you start the fight

And I have no idea the chances it does a special or spawns another flare, but I'd assume another 50/50 shot you get screwed by that when you don't have 3 purple glyphs.

Makes me wonder how many people 1nd this contract without even realizing you could get that scenario

[steady temple]

It's a common scenario and happens regularly during solo kills, albeit with different timing.

Yama only spawns flames during a shadow special, and will always spawn one during the 1st, 2nd or 3rd special (seemingly random which one). Phase 2 will mimic the same timing. After the orb explodes, Yama starts its cycle again starting with a shadow special.

Running onto fire glyphs early is fine, but shadow you need to wait to see if it's flares or not.

The timing is different in contracts, but it's not a problem. Just be ready to kill orbs before each shadow special, if flares haven't spawned in that phase.

[tired ivy]

Oh yeah that's what you mean. surely you just uh.. hit the single flares as they spawn init?

[faint lily]

It's about 3 flares spawning and not having enough time to kill all 3 when instead of doing a special he spawns an additional flare.

[tired ivy]

when the 3 spawn won't it always do a special?

[faint lily]

It will not

I've had several times where it spawns 3 and then instead of doing the special next it spawns a 4th flare

this is an issue specific to divine severance.

If you can 1 shot flares it's not as much of an issue but you can't lose ticks killing all 3.

I tend to just die if it happens unless my thrall finishes off the low hp one.

[tired ivy]

ok so you're talking about something different from the other person above

[faint lily]

Yeah idk what they are on about honestly.

I get it's similar but it is very different. It's not about running on the shadow gylphs early being the issue

the timing is very tight to kill all 3 flares if you can 1 shot them, but doable

[steady temple]

Yeah I've never seen this, so news to me

[faint lily]

I think I got a solution for when you cant 1 shot the flares though. I have enough time to kill the 2 full hp ones and get at least 1 hit on the low hp flare.

Then it only has 1 hp if my thrall doesn't kill it, and does like 15 damage to me.

[tired ivy]

Do you have a clip? seems like videos of this do not exist

[faint lily]

It only occurs during divine severance, so if you got lucky when you did that you may have never seen it.

Yeah lemme pull up a vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZwJ_4ENIPc&t=203s Skip to 2:00

He has 3 shadow gylphs so its no big deal

[steady temple]

Isn't that when you kill the orange flare, half damaged flare, then skip the full purple with glyph?

Then a 4th spawns and you go kill it?

[faint lily]

If he had 2 shadow glyphs he would have died or had to change strategy to what I said above

Oh wait

[steady temple]

https://youtu.be/Wctyn2Yr-Jg?si=PRpv7tlOq3-Xrwht

[faint lily]

In his case he had enough DPS to phase it before the next shadow special

[steady temple]

The second shadow in this vid is it right?

[faint lily]

timestamp?

it happens at 2:00 in the vid I linked

[steady temple]

1:00, on mobile so sorry for not linking

[faint lily]

But no. In his vid yama does the shadow special

not spawn another flare

[steady temple]

I'll watch first vod

[faint lily]

check @ 1:50 in the vid I linked.

Which it's definitely doable to kill all 3 flares with 1 shotting them. But I'm trying to do a non 1 shot clear.

My strategy is going to be kill the 2 full health flares (have to utilize purging spec) and be good on timing, and get 1 shot on the low hp flare.

Then I get a 75% chance my thrall finishes off the low hp flare. If I hit the 25%, I tank a 15 and yama heals a bit. So not too bad.

[steady temple]

Hmm, yeah, I do see the slight difference, strange.

Thanks for clarifying

[faint lily]

No problem!

Or I just hope to get lucky and have 3 shadow glyph kill and don't even worry about this extra nonsense.

[steady temple]

Yeah, seems like your options are kill them all, or have an extra glyph.

Killing sounds like it's rng
Extra glyph is also rng

So that's fun

[tired ivy]

ok time for me to try it out https://i.imgur.com/Tja5nud.png

[faint lily]

you left divine for last too?

[tired ivy]

ye

[faint lily]

glgl.

If I end up getting too frustrated this weekend doing it I might just wait for delve upgrades so I can 1 shot the flares

I still have to train 5 runecrafting levels to make the dang armor anyway lol

[tired ivy]

I don't have any armour anyways

[faint lily]

Are you still 0/3

thats rough

[tired ivy]

4 horns and nothin else

[faint lily]

ouch

shard count?

[tired ivy]

650 and 4 contracts

Ok hmmm this one is definitely harder than it sounds lol

[faint lily]

You planning on doing the shard contracts?

Don't remember how hard those ended up being

[tired ivy]

uh if I get a piece and those will finish it and i can find someone to pot em sure

[tired ivy]

ok first 2 attempts didn't get to p3, 3rd attempt we got to 300hp left. makin progress

[tired ivy]

hmm that one took me 6 attempts, 4 of which didn't get to p3 at all lol

[faint lily]

Not bad

I've spent a lot of attempts on this, might omit the final contract count.

I took a long break from Yama after going 3/5 though. So feel rusty. And having to work out methods for bad gear

[tired ivy]

Sensory took me.... too many

[faint lily]

I was about 75 on main for sensory and 10 on iron

[tired ivy]

ok we out on both accs https://i.imgur.com/TnNlYM1.png

[plain raft]

gamer

[tired ivy]

Surely I get some armour by 1500 right?

[plain raft]

are you sending solos

if solos, maybe. if no, doomed

[faint lily]

Proof of concept complete. Holy crap the divine severance kill is long with this gear.

Now for the iron

[split pagoda]

Grats both!

[faint lily]

Radiant finished on iron with 31% magic DMG.

[split pagoda]

[faint lily]

I think sensory was still quite a bit harder than 2 shotting flares divine severance.

[plain raft]

ya sensory was hardest by a mile, none of the other 4 were comparable in the slightest

[queen wind]

https://www.twitch.tv/rigondeaux/clip/CoweringColorfulDonutKippa-ANCRputjZ3VEgIuu what method is this? any1 got guide for it pls

[plain raft]

I think that's just donofly

[tired ivy]

Meanwhile on the main lol... https://i.imgur.com/LXlnzSm.png

[faint lily]

stop using up all your RNG on contract practice smh.

[tired ivy]

The body was on release day, now I'm just going for dc/gm again

[opal thicket]

Can BOTH players spawn on 2nd tick if both step south edge of island?

Or is it always both first tick or one first tick one second tick

[umbral cradle]

that's a good question, I don't know

[steady temple]

From my experience, someone is always on the right tick (host usually). The other person can be delayed up to 3 ticks (jumping back to spawn platoform)

[faint lily]

Interesting mechanic that HCs can run south after P1 judge to always avoid the giant meatball of death.

[radiant sky]

only time i had both be off tick was when i played with bad ppl

but i could never tell if its cuz they just didnt click when they spawn in or if they do something so horribly wrong at the judge that it changes the spawn in

[steady temple]

Yeah, I remember doing some testing week 1 trying to manipulate who got tank

[elder sky]

Probably easiest way to check is both just sbs delay

Surprised you can both off tick

[elder sky]

Yeah the ppl who afk at entry bc they just skip the first potential hit are the worst 😴

[lusty pike]

you guys any reckon any reason to hold left over radiant contracts after you complete it?

[devout coyote]

no

[faint lily]

We should be able to coffer them eventually if you care about that. But won't be worth much.

[sudden ocean]

I'm gonna need something to refill the coffers after this grind

Maybe I'll get some good toa purps while going for the black gem

[winter seal]

jagex gonna make em cofferable when they're sub10k

[faint lily]

I'm still holding my oathplate acquisition contract to dump in my coffer when they let me. Probably the most deserving item I'll ever get to go in, and will keep me set for a very long time.

Can keep some actual item dupes as a result.

[undone sundial]

How do prices usually change once deaths coffer opens up for new items? Wondering if I should toss in my oathplate contract or hold

Wasn't sure if the price usually tanks or goes up

[misty marlin]

Anyone in here done the shard acquisiton contract personally? I have one and am willing to just chuck it to the void to give it a try, but idk how to go about finding an interested teammate

[faint lily]

Only have a small sample size, but they tend to wait long enough that it doesn't really effect item price

[elder sky]

i feel redeemed.....

[split pagoda]

u should tag every1 who called u unlucky with that

[elder sky]

Nah that disc is a cesspit, rather not open it

[limber vessel]

Hi, does anyone know what hp I need to camp at or below with 34% dmg? Could not find the formula anywhere

For bloodied blows

[winter seal]

#1368632190723821729 message
either of those

[limber vessel]

Thanks a lot!

[faint lily]

Gearscape has an accurate selection for bloodied blows

https://gearscape.net/calculators/dps?preset=5687f66ffd

Can plug your gear/HP in from this base and see @limber vessel

[wraith summit]

welp 500kc reached

time to learn contracts

[wise salmon]

Think gearscape is good?

[vast panther]

Where are people finding melee yama duos? yama worlds are always just magers

[faint lily]

I think so, the UI is a bit unintuitive.

But it usually has some extra stuff wiki calc might not.

I find myself using wiki calc the most because of the calc DPS button from equipment screen though.

[wise salmon]

Ye, have used it a bit so I'm not used to it, but it's not beginner friendly haha

[wraith summit]

man wtf is the drop rate on sensory clouding from demons

I've killed 300 with purging staff and nothing

[faint lily]

I swear rates changed

When I did sensory 3 weeks ago I farmed up 10 in like 300 KC. When I went more recently I took like 1k KC for 5 bloodied

[wraith summit]

bruh I stg

I dismantled my emberlight for this

went through 21 contracts without killing it

[tired ivy]

You didn't get contracts from the boss?

[wraith summit]

I did

21

and now I need more

and they aint dropping

[tired ivy]

oh no main bad rng

[elder sky]

feel free to add me if you need melee yama.

[tired ivy]

I still gotta pot a lot more on the iron

And then do it all over again on the baby hc

[sudden ocean]

also lf yama! not tonight but whenever else

[atomic surge]

same tbh

[sudden ocean]

👀

[atomic surge]

sorry i made it all the way to the bond interface before xing out

i'll play delve boss

i forgor new rimworld dlc

[wise salmon]

how is it? whats the best update in it?

[atomic surge]

idk going in blind

its super cool so far

[sudden ocean]

[atomic surge]

might put it down until the allow tool clickdragselect mod is updated

[proper hill]

Been at nex the past 3 months, what is the best yama guide released now, (Never stepped foot in there) also should I just go ahead and start with solos?

[sudden ocean]

Don't start with solos

Duos are braindead in comparison

Idk what guides are good but I'll be home in a couple hours if you wanna pot and I can mostly carry

You could start with maging p3 but if you want something more structured/range gwd-like I pinned a duo fly method

P1 and p2 are pretty much just dodge waves and one person has to touch circles

[proper hill]

Yeah I'd for sure appreciate that, I'd throw you a bond for your time

[elder sky]

You want more practice doing p3 so I’d recommend a mage partner to learn just to assist with jelly’s

[sudden ocean]

I do nofly which is also good for taking care of jellies

[sudden ocean]

am online, add me Reckless Lad

[undone sundial]

If I want to try and start learning a solo fly method, should I just commit to learning gregs or does anyone recommend any others? Like simplefly/monofly

[steady temple]

I think starting with simplefly is the move. The dono methods are easier to learn, but being able to make mistakes & not get punished with the 3t methods is really nice

[proper hill]

Reckless was a great teacher, 10/10 would recommend. For "solos" on iron, can i bring my main in to horn for a dwh spec and then just leave? Without my iron having the horn

[azure laurel]

3 item horn on alt and let it die

Respawn outside

Think you wear LB

Wizzy has vid (ofc)

[proper hill]

think doing an emberlight spec on that acc is worth too? Horn (main) > dwh (Iron) > emberlight (main) > main die

[azure laurel]

No idea. Elder maul gets it very close to cap

[proper hill]

I know there is an att/stre reduction cap, but is there a def?

[azure laurel]

Yes

[azure laurel]

80 drain down to 145

[molten kelp]

does damage dealt to flares count towards contribution?

[faint lily]

I don't think it's 100% confirmed, but prevailing theory is no

[steady temple]

No it does not

[molten kelp]

ok that makes the strat someone wanted me to do earlier even funnier

they just wanted to straight tank melee p3 and have non-tank get all the flares 💀

non-tank contribution 📉

[sacred badge]

yeah that's worse than double mage

double tank is better though ime

(since one of each is the same number of flares as double tank, and double tank lets you both just emberlight and afk)

[radiant sky]

this is a strat people used before donofly but ud swap tank around based on supplies

cuz tanking p3 drains a lot of supplies

so contribution would even out somewhat

[wraith summit]

it's definitely something to get other people to do for you though so you can steal more contribution

[azure laurel]

Get a shitter main to do it, and give him full split as if he was soloing

Win win

[acoustic lava]

Not a bad shout actually

[azure laurel]

If you have a noob friend just explain the deal to them and propose it, no need to trick someone. If they don’t care about clog it’s a really good deal for them, and very good gp/hr compared to mage only (which is probably their other option)

[sacred badge]

Or double melee with tanking

[naive widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhb2e4rPEXo <- state of the art method for people who open this thread later

[sudden ocean]

so joack uses a bgs for the sensory clouding method, is it much better than emberlight?

am reading that it's very slightly better but idk if that only applies to normal mode

[faint lily]

Just watched this. And was about to post lol. Actually insane

I wonder if you could ROBOKITE sensory clouding. Or if something different would have to be computer optimized for the waves that aren't consistent during contracts

[runic obsidian]

so where is everyone using aether runes

is it safe to camp them for all 3 raids

[sudden ocean]

i would reserve for challenge/speedrun content i think

cause once you finish yama are you really gonna wanna go back to yama for more

[runic obsidian]

i feel like they dont get used quick enough to be that stingy

but probably cant use everywhere

hmm

[sudden ocean]

yea not sure, im >700 kc and have like 22k of them

[runic obsidian]

oh maybe im just getting spooned then

i have 23k in 400 kc, 150ish of which were solo

[sudden ocean]

i think thats a lot more solo than ive done

dunno if you can compare shards or something

[wraith summit]

I think I'm around 35k at 600 solos

[sacred badge]

team content

[tired ivy]

I have 65k

I have also not made a single aether rune yet

[faint lily]

They are pretty quick to make with scar. I only had to get my +4 boost once and do the logout spam for a couple runs when I made my 20k

[sudden ocean]

Yea very quick cause the scar extract multiplies your runes but the catalyst is still consumed 1:1 per rune produced so the catalyst gets consumed very fast

It's weird

Uses very few soul runes tho which is nice

[faint lily]

Yeah I was concerned at first that I was gonna have to burn 20k souls despite making enough for 20k of the aether runes with the expensive soul catalysts. Was happy when the first trip didn't use that many.

[atomic surge]

bank

[radiant sky]

ye so far i havent used my aether runes for anything

[sudden ocean]

Sensory clouding completed without scobo

final inventory the last joack cycle kinda fell apart and i had to improvise with 0 food

[sacred badge]

what's left for your kit?

[sudden ocean]

armor

to put it on

[sacred badge]

oh shit gz

[sudden ocean]

I pretty much used the joack method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WREWgVMiDi8 but for the part where he uses scobo I instead took inspiration from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZonTxlJAb4&list=WL

that part wasn't too difficult to implement

the big thing is when you get all the way south after waves, keep a controlled motion and do the next fireball walk on the east side, then make sure to do stepbacks while dealing with the flares, then head back north to repeat cycle

once you kinda get it down it really makes the scobo feel not all that important

[vast quarry]

knew you could do it king

[robust swift]

Which of the contracts is the easiest for the CA?

[sudden ocean]

Forfeit breath probably

Glyphic with ruby cheese was a lil easier I think but that's deadge

Breath is as close as you can get to the base contract fight, except there's a "watch your run energy" on top

[forest lagoon]

Glyphic is the nofly check right?

[dusk comet]

For first getting into yama, are there any recommendations/consensus on how to approach learning the boss eg is learning solo a bad idea before doing a bunch of duo? I'm at the point where my next grinds are inferno/shadow/avernic - seems like double dc/oathplate will be helpful with the latter 2.

[forest lagoon]

I think the intended way to learn is mage duos then melee duos then melee solos. If you plan on doing solos only, I would just start with melee and bring a mage swap for p3. Once you're comfortable with that then I would learn to melee p3 at least partially

[dusk comet]

ok - seeing a red eye jedi 'simplefly' referenced in this thread, i guess i'll look at that once consistently downing p3?

[sudden ocean]

I would def say learning solo first is a bad idea

A duo partner who's nice enough to touch all the glyphs for you makes it pisschill

[forest lagoon]

I would stay away from simplefly and do something like donofly or w/e, its a LOT easier

learn simplfly or nofly after you can do the easier, braindead methods

Also just bring a mage swap for when you mess it up, or get out of cycle. You can just finish up the kill with mage only

[dusk comet]

right i'll look for some general resources and just spend time duoing, thanks

[sudden ocean]

duo also makes void flares p1/p2 pretty much a nonissue

and they're like the most annoying part of solo

[full shuttle]

Thinking about going for radiant, is two synapses enough?

[atomic surge]

yes

[steady temple]

Easily imo

[atomic surge]

you will probably want to break your emberlight for clouding

but you can also not do that

[sudden ocean]

or just do this :)

i say "just" when the mage method is probably easier

breaking down emberlight is fine

[full shuttle]

Cool, thanks gamers 👍🏼 red eye put up some recent vids that a good place to start? Not really been following metas

[sudden ocean]

kirby's contract guides are good, haven't seen red eye's

[faint lily]

Can watch both red eyes might be a bit more updated

His sensory method is good, but also checkout cloudfly or joack if you don't like the look of it

[sudden ocean]

watching red eye glyphic now, using the south glyph first sounds smart

to avoid meatball + shadow waves combo on the south glyph

[nova scroll]

Took a break from the game shortly after Yama release. I'm a shitter, and I want my DC upgrade. What method should I learn for p3?

[wide crypt]

Most people do donofly and it’s easier to find duos

I think if you plan on doing radiant than nofly is good to learn

[nova scroll]

I saw molgoatkirby has a reaction-based method instead of a tick perfect tilemarker based method? How's that?

Do both players really need to be using the same method? or is it more that people will be prickly if I don't do what's expected?

[wide crypt]

That might be the nofly method. And good point, I assume you don’t need to be doing the same method but idk how people are in ffa worlds

[split pagoda]

It's very good, much better dps than donofly or monofly, but harder to execute

The hourglass bombs that drop on you are local to each player so there's no griefing each other for doing different methods really

As long as someone isn't taking a bunch of hits and spawning voidflares as a result

I think on the FFA world you're more likely to get the kinda ppl who confuse themselves if their partner runs differently than then but skill issue imo

[azure laurel]

Is mage not really good with the new items now?

[woeful flame]

I read somewhere no/simple fly is 16% more dps compared to dono, sounds right or not?

[faint lily]

I think it's closer to 10

[sudden ocean]

I would recommend nofly to anyone who wants to kill yama, it's just all around better. More dps, more flexible to get back into cycle if you mess up. The downside is it's harder to learn

[sudden ocean]

And yes this is nofly

I don't think simple fly is different enough to warrant calling it by a different name

[sudden ocean]

The new items are mage items wym

[azure laurel]

It was meant as an open question in response to him asking what method, I think mage only is kinda not troll now? That’s what I heard anyways, but idk if calcs are updated with new items and working correctly

I was told mage was really close to melee after this updates but haven’t really been able to verify it. Wiki calc isn’t working for gauntlets.

[tired ivy]

Big downside is just burning GP instead of using something free I guess

[sudden ocean]

Oh i thought you were asking if mage was made worse by the update

Mb

[azure laurel]

I worded it pretty bad, my mistake,

I think max mage with purging might beat melee, but kinda tough to have that instead of a good melee setup, plus the gp burning.

Small W for mage campers in max mage (if those even exist)

[elder sky]

its still worse than nofly allegedly

and ur burning gp/runes which is gonna lose you time on a iron

[azure laurel]

Yeah. I guess it’s will always be a noob/lazy method

[sudden ocean]

As it should be

[tired ivy]

Also think most people will end up doing yama long before grinding delve

[sudden ocean]

Especially if it's the new bandos lol

[wise salmon]

Full crystal from cerb takes some time

And the boots aren't that amazing before upgrading

[naive widget]

the update's still pretty up in the air but idk, I think I might end up doing double death charge -> delve -> [long intermission] -> rest of yama - because of void range the gear requirements on yama seem very soft and with no megarares (so oath only upgrades nhally/lance/bgs and not scythe, and not even if you're using void like at tob, and eye would replace trident and not sidegrade shadow) delve's upgrades seem bigger.

[wise salmon]

Agree, slash isn't that importen pre tob

Dt2 is nice tho, but seems like you better off haveing lightbearer range in dwelve

is the new staff worth it tho?

rather use bowfa right?

[naive widget]

you'd use the staff at akkha, p1 wardens, nylos, olm mage hand, and whisperer only right? maybe not

anyone know if there's any other places where staff brings mage into contention?

[plush shadow]

mokha is really hard we dont know what rates are

but it might be to hard to do early for alot of ppl as something u do pre shadow

for most ppl*

imo

[faint beacon]

Budget setups require elite void and scobow; can use a 2-hit melee weapon for the melee larva and can use the cheapest version of demonbane for the mage larvae
All Osta-Ayak uniques can be achieved at wave 4 so technically you could send wave 4s until you get any drops

Just unsure about the demon tears cost for a lot of this stuff .. conf gaunts is 10k tears, each boot upgrade is 4k tears and wand uses tears as wel
At least the boot upgrades seem trivial - the base boots seem good enough to camp until you have spare tears

[sacred badge]

Wand can use runes

Tears is just an option

[faint beacon]

oh yh true, forgot

[sudden ocean]

no reason to use a 2 hit melee weapon when silverlight exists

2 hit ranged maybe

bp or something, but idk if that's any good as a mainhand weapon

[faint beacon]

can you have silverlight and arclight simultaneously?

[sudden ocean]

idts but then just use arclight, no?

[faint beacon]

can buy extra darklights apparently and I'm thinking from the POV of you rushing Osto after getting 1st synapse into scobow, so you'd still be stingy with arclight charges

[south burrow]

you're not gonna be using many charges just hitting larvae, are you?

and worst case you just run out of charges and recharge before using arclight for actual dps

[sacred badge]

sometimes it's nice to refresh the "I'm gonna fuck you in the ass" cooldown on the boss with EL between two melee grubs instead of swapping to scobo and back so I'd use arclight personally

[atomic surge]

@radiant sky

i think this is it

it is

[radiant sky]

tyty

this is 100% getting nerfed tho

time to green log before update day

[sudden ocean]

what is this

[wraith summit]

with how droprates are panning out, gl with that

[radiant sky]

tiles for luring the car

wrong channel for it tho unless yama got an update ^^

[radiant sky]

my highly subjective, low sample size guess is that drop rates are okayish

a bit more rare than yama

but fewer items

[faint beacon]

if I find a duo that wants to melee p3, are there any downsides to me just maging ?

I just want the 100kc for double DC

I'd melee p1 and p2

[wide crypt]

The downside is less dps

Other than that, I know some people do one mage and one melee

[faint beacon]

but no downside for the duo? it'd actually be beneficial to them since they get more dmg so more contribution right?

[faint lily]

Correct.

You'd also be the one to deal with the flares.

[faint beacon]

damn duoing with randoms is miserable

the amount of gp exiting the game in death costs must be astronomical

never seen so many people plank

[undone sundial]

First week or two of Yama was the most I've lost to death costs in a minute

Kind of auto-pilot after awhile though

[faint beacon]

I mean I get people dying while learning nofly etc

[elder sky]

anyone know if purging + conflction gauntlets is enough to one hit flares on p3

[south burrow]

I think only with mystic vigour/augury on: https://dps.osrs.wiki?id=SeasonedLuckyTaste

[south burrow]

Is it worth to save a dossier for 100 kc to open for the guaranteed dc upgrade? Does this even work?

[slow vigil]

Yes and yes

I'd probably yolo open an early one since double dc is common though, really nice upgrade

[sudden ocean]

nah the rest aren't worth near as much

oathplate acquisition is good but rare

[slow vigil]

sorry I mean specifically I'd yolo open to get double dc pre 100

dossiers are 1/12 you're bound to get a bunch by 100 kc

I'd probably only save one if I didn't have it by ~80 kc

[south burrow]

yeah I was kinda thinkin I'd just start hanging on to one around 50 kc and just open dupes

[south burrow]

I just had a p3 last so long that I got to 3 run energy and he died right as I was transitioning to mage instead...

[sacred badge]

I sentence you to a day of Sepulchre

[south burrow]

I'm 95 agility, I don't think I'll notice a difference

I think I'm just gonna take the training wheels off and bank my magic robes as one is ahrim's bottoms

I'm getting better at donofly though

[woeful flame]

Can learn nofly, barely run in that one

[south burrow]

anyone got a vod of like 30+ mins of yama solo/dolo I can watch to compare?

[atomic surge]

On my yt

I think

But it was gregfly not nofly

[south burrow]

Also, is there a way to tell when he's gonna port you to the judge? I understand the threshhold, but sometimes I greed and don't sigil thinking it'll proc...and I end up wrong.

[south burrow]

exactly what I was lookin for, thanks 🙂

[south burrow]

maybe its a good place to use some dashing kebbit meat as long as I have some in the bank

[sudden ocean]

He has some kind of check timer, like every attack or every two attacks or something, idk it's long. But a good rule of thumb is if you haven't crossed the hp thresholds by the time void flares are half charged, they're going to pop on you

Otherwise you're fine to skip them

[dapper hollow]

it's the bosses 2nd attack after he has passed the threshold. so if he hits you and he's under the hp threshold, his next attack will phase it

[faint lily]

Can we coffer extra shards/contracts yet? My oathplate contract has gone down like 45m since I wanted to coffer it.

[limpid mica]

Just do the contract and coffer the oathplate

[tired ivy]

I dropped mine