also-manga

[tranquil blade]

I used to think Killingham was a fishman

[final trench]

Shuri was more uptight then other HKs, and she turned out to be a vessel of imu

Killingham only tweaked out when he seen Jinbei

[pine ridge]

I still do

[frigid gulch]

The state of Jinbe

[final trench]

So i think he’s a fishman

[urban lodge]

It would be funny if the other CDs gaslighted him into wearing the mask at all times because the lower world is dirty when they just don't want to breathe the same air as him

[tranquil blade]

I don't believe in Oda anymore

[frigid gulch]

[trim lily]

at least sommers isnt discriminatory

[final trench]

Plus he has the dragon fruit, he could only be accepted by the CDs if he gave up his birthright to swim and became a true celestial dragon

[digital spear]

Racist Killingham vs Super Sexist Sommers

[grand flower]

I like cash and my hair to my ass

[iron oriole]

Killingham sweep

[frigid gulch]

Oh WIT Piece previews

[prisma idol]

I do find the imu aurafarming while flying scene kinda dumb now

[fallen meteor]

what ist is Maffey

[frigid gulch]

Not bad

[prisma idol]

But I guess he was like why not try

[grand flower]

SHOW MEEEEEE

[fallen meteor]

oh fuck this is YC's color

[final trench]

I think maffey is something else

[fallen meteor]

i cant steal that

[digital spear]

[final trench]

Like a demon of somesort

[trim lily]

maffey has a godzilla zoan

there is no other explanation

[prisma idol]

Hot

[prisma idol]

TRUEEEE

[digital spear]

Wdym

[trim lily]

its so blue

[final trench]

A dino zoan would be tuff (again)

[fallen meteor]

racist, sexist
all -ists

[digital spear]

All Blue

[prisma idol]

She has a beam

[frigid gulch]

https://fixupx.com/pewpiece/status/2058568687762776268?s=46

Pew (@pewpiece)

the onepiece remake character designer and chief animation director Kyoji Asano :
︀︀
︀︀“We repeatedly traced Oda-sensei’s art. After two full months of thoroughly studying his style, we finally achieved a level of quality that even the director was very satisfied with.”

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FixupX · May 24, 2026, 3:19 PM

[fallen meteor]

hotist?!

[final trench]

I was hoping for a werewolf zoan from the HKs ngl, unless thats for garling

[prisma yacht]

Tuff

[digital spear]

Babyist

[prisma idol]

Which is why there is the running joke she has the Godzilla fruit

[trim lily]

big ass hat

[prisma idol]

Yeah

[prisma yacht]

Marin killed brad

[fallen meteor]

hates hot people

[digital spear]

whos brad

[fallen meteor]

brad moved on

[prisma yacht]

the guy marin killed

[fallen meteor]

he's now on the jjk community

[frigid gulch]

Wit Piece Zoro vs Mihawk

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[frigid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/this-peak-is-this-peak-so-peak-peak-it's-just-so-peak-gif-1360442599844596686

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[fallen meteor]

the owner of the 'not marin' account

[prisma yacht]

Not marin

[digital spear]

Brook flashback till 1190 btw

[trim lily]

she even has something like a dorsal plate on her head

and is hunched like a dino

[digital spear]

I think I missed lore

[frigid gulch]

Ends next chapter

[prisma idol]

And she is like really tall

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/i/status/2058529836251910226

𝐼𝑆𝑆𝐻𝑂 (@Foji_Er_)

هل يمكن

X · May 24, 2026, 12:45 PM

[fallen meteor]

someone that was totally not me @ ed the admins in #also-off-topic so brad took over while the person that wasnt me hid away

[digital spear]

Next chapter Brook: wait nvm nothing bad actually happened back then hahaha. idk who Gunko is lets kill her lol

[frigid gulch]

3-4 is probably good though

[prisma idol]

No embed?

[frigid gulch]

[prisma idol]

There we go

[fallen meteor]

what are we doing man

[royal orchid]

slow ass dog discord

[pine ridge]

she would have to be 71 years old during the flashback

[prisma yacht]

This is real

[royal orchid]

not hard if you're a GOD KNIGHT

🚨🚨🚨🚨

[trim lily]

god knight kureha who still ages

[fallen meteor]

she ages for fun

[urban lodge]

Wait what if Gunko doesn't even have the gorosei contract and she just has Kureha genetics

[royal orchid]

she used the medicine that cuts her ties to imu

[trim lily]

goda

[digital spear]

well Kureha ages slow

[trim lily]

what if all the gorosei dont have immortality, they just copy the kureha technique

[pine ridge]

nah she just ages more

[frigid gulch]

What’s up with the sideburns bruh

[fallen meteor]

have we seen young kureha tho

maybe she just was like that

[frigid gulch]

Nasty

[prisma idol]

How did Saturn live for 200 years

[royal orchid]

moss carpet looking ass

[prisma idol]

After looking that old

[trim lily]

lots of fish and vegetables

[prisma yacht]

fih

[fallen meteor]

one cup of wine a day

[trim lily]

wait no he just eats sausages and wine

[royal orchid]

one cup of wine a day keeps the health away

[tough dust]

todays ep

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-crying-wonderful-rayleigh-rayleigh-crying-gif-13145809230477230802

[prisma yacht]

I shld watch it

[urban lodge]

Robin slop

[trim lily]

oh yeah the anime was today

was today ridley day

[fallen meteor]

oh yeah maybe they had time to edit their reactions
lets watch some people cry

[royal orchid]

one piece episode today is cryslop

[trim lily]

oh saul day snooze

[stone terrace]

cant believe big grapes gaslit people into thinking a cup of wine a day is good for you

[prisma yacht]

Crydo

[royal orchid]

you only cry because it's sad

[trim lily]

its basically healthy

[digital spear]

hes pooping

[prisma yacht]

Poop

[prisma idol]

Saul more like Snore

[trim lily]

im glad we all had the same idea

[digital spear]

plip plip

[urban lodge]

Loki is going down the very next chapter after we're back to the present

[frigid gulch]

Idk if Imu has regen but he’s tough ash

[royal orchid]

there's no proof of it helping you at all and you're just dosing yourself into alcoholism

[digital spear]

we are all smart

[fallen meteor]

wait why is he shitting

[royal orchid]

look mom I'm in the picture

[distant vine]

[trim lily]

yeah but its a fruit

[royal orchid]

it's ethanol

[prisma yacht]

That poop is probably bigger than some giants

[royal orchid]

fruit ethanol

[prisma idol]

Dont worry guys Maffey will pull up in Godzilla form and atomic breath Loki and destroy elbaf

[digital spear]

someone down there died from Lokis gigantic poop falling on him

[prisma idol]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-roar-monster-kaiju-godzilla-final-wars-gif-7331570351373203825

[trim lily]

loki needs his mask guys to clean it up

[prisma yacht]

Oh no rodo

[frigid gulch]

Did Ragnir disappear

[pine ridge]

hopefully rodo

[royal orchid]

anyone remember how oda created 10 new characters on god valley and 5 of them got scrapped right after being shown

[strong wadi]

Say a prayer for the casualties of Brook's aurafarming

[prisma idol]

Shoujo Prince

Gas mask

Claw guy

[trim lily]

shoujo prince will return

[frigid gulch]

Retcon Piece

[prisma yacht]

[digital spear]

everything for the aura

[royal orchid]

Tom clone

[trim lily]

but yeah gas mask and claw guy are dead

[thin quest]

so those humans in the Underworld were wiping/cleaning Loki's butt crack every day?

[trim lily]

if oda was a good writer claw guy wouldve given his claws to baby blackbeard

[tranquil blade]

3 or 4 lives is an okay sacrifice for the aura Brook gained

[prisma idol]

Yall ready for Fake Emo Lady to return

The hk

[tranquil blade]

Claw guy was the friends we mafe along the way'

[digital spear]

Do you think Shueisha asks Oda to include an ominous mask guy in every group that does nothing

[royal orchid]

I choose to ignore toei

on a daily basis

she has black hair

[prisma idol]

It was actually time traveling bb

[trim lily]

i cant get over how much everyone despises him

i would too honestly if he did that every morning

[trim lily]

peak

[prisma idol]

They want to Clapp brook

[stone terrace]

i mean yea its 5 AM and guy is blasting drake lyrics

id shoot him

[royal orchid]

4:30am and this motherfucker talking about marrying mermaids

[digital spear]

Bro is playing this at 4 AM

[royal orchid]

brook found dead at 4:29am

[digital spear]

why did we all say different times

[trim lily]

timezones duh

[strong wadi]

He does this for attention but also so his rivals can't get good sleep to weaken them

[brittle basin]

I'd shoot him too

[digital spear]

evil cunning Brook

[tranquil blade]

Fraudulent Brook?

[prisma yacht]

😭

[royal orchid]

hey wait a second

[brittle basin]

godagodagodagodagodagoda

[royal orchid]

channel description isn't updated

[trim lily]

what if the tragedy of the flashback is that no one could fight back against the navy because they didnt get enough sleep

[fallen meteor]

funniest line

[prisma idol]

I don't wanna...

[brittle basin]

just type in "cesspool" and that should work at all times

[tranquil blade]

Do you think Oda intended for this to be funny

[fallen meteor]

oh man THIS GUY SUCKS

[trim lily]

kuma happy moments

[royal orchid]

literally just switch the last 4 for a 5

[digital spear]

oh BROTHER

[brittle basin]

Who wants to bet Brook casually drops Nika after the flashback ends, and we just ignore he never brought it up before

[prisma idol]

Thats too much

[prisma idol]

No

[fallen meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1374218460778729544/IMG_9402.gif

[prisma idol]

I think it was supposed to be shocking and that is all

[royal orchid]

now that story about kidney stones makes a lot of sense

[tranquil blade]

Alright then I think he might've failed then

[brittle basin]

shocking, but you can find humor in a dark and absurd way because of the still shot expression that kuma makes in the moment. but it's not funny

[prisma idol]

I collect rocks

[graceful belfry]

[tranquil blade]

There's nothing inherently funny about it of course

[royal orchid]

kuma's face is pretty goofy shaped

[tranquil blade]

That's just how he looks

[trim lily]

i know youre not meant to think too much about it but how does this work physically

[prisma yacht]

He looks like my fat friend when he was a kid

[fiery spire]

This was quite someting

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-dumb-patrick-star-spongebob-meme-gif-16104776109257369571

[trim lily]

it had to have been several minutes since he cut them

[fiery spire]

Oda when I get you...

[digital spear]

idk. Aura

[brittle basin]

if i see this one more time

[tranquil blade]

It doesn't

[pine ridge]

he cut them but they didn't notice yet

[fallen meteor]

brook made up his backstory

[royal orchid]

you're not supposed to take it seriously, you just say aura

[prisma idol]

I think its one of those things where oda went so hard on it being dark it had the opposite effect of it being goofy, because of the tonal whiplash

[royal orchid]

prime brook

[tranquil blade]

So if you get cut but you never notice it do you just never feel the effects of it

[royal orchid]

?

[pine ridge]

yes

[prisma idol]

Btw Gunko was defo taken as a replacement when the queen died

[digital spear]

Brook made up a second backstory because people forgot the first

[urban lodge]

Not yet, he still has 18 more years of growth ahead of him

[pine ridge]

which is the real reason fujitora blinded himself

[hot cairn]

damn, that new episode was beautiful

[trim lily]

luffy reference

[prisma yacht]

Truee

Oh no

I said true

[tranquil blade]

Yeah it's probably an unintended outcome but it is still a bit funny how it kinda backfired for him

[prisma yacht]

I have failed u yc

[digital spear]

Glue...

[trim lily]

[urban lodge]

My idea is Candelle was a HK or blade of god and because Shuri showed promising strength she offered her to Imu, but ironically Imu had to kill her to open up space for another contract

[tranquil blade]

This is probably true

[brittle basin]

explain her eyes oda EXPLAIN THE EYES

[prisma idol]

WEIIII

[trim lily]

she has homophobia in her eyes

[brittle basin]

come again

[urban lodge]

Heterophobia

[royal orchid]

FUCK

[prisma yacht]

homophobic gunko

[brittle basin]

phobiaphobia

[urban lodge]

My girl would never be homophobic

[trim lily]

[prisma idol]

Charge your phone

[brittle basin]

bruh

[digital spear]

you have your mothers homophobia

[royal orchid]

I'm sitting on the charger right now funny enough

[graceful belfry]

I love Candelle’s design whoa

[prisma yacht]

My battery was at 6 now it's at 7

[royal orchid]

why is it 1 pixel lower than it should be

[digital spear]

are u a robot

[fallen meteor]

you should connect it to the phone, dont sit on it

[brittle basin]

i hope to hear gunko say "you have no human rights" like her pal greenbull

[trim lily]

candelle has a cool design but it is weird how blank this part feels

feels like censorship youd see in other scans

[prisma idol]

Zooming in on her hips dolfius

[tranquil blade]

It looks like a censorship edit

[digital spear]

it looks censored

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[royal orchid]

I was thinking that

[prisma idol]

I see how it is

[trim lily]

[brittle basin]

what the hell was even censored?

[royal orchid]

nothing

[brittle basin]

just post tcb, they wouldn't do that

[digital spear]

panties....

[royal orchid]

it was like that on tcb

[digital spear]

they did that

[tranquil blade]

That's just how Oda drew it

[brittle basin]

time to eliminate meek

[trim lily]

he felt self conscious about gunko

[digital spear]

Oda forgot how pants work

[royal orchid]

oda was tired of drawing her suit lmao

[brittle basin]

but they're probably just designed that like by oda of course

[graceful belfry]

Lmao

[prisma idol]

Its missing like buttons or creases to make it look less bland

[upbeat yarrow]

thats becuase she got no pants or panties, the apple doesnt fall far from the tree

[prisma idol]

Nothing was censored

[digital spear]

Oda struggling drawing actual pants on a woman

[royal orchid]

there you happy

[prisma idol]

Yes

[trim lily]

get better download speed

[graceful belfry]

Oda’s in a flow state rn

[royal orchid]

I sadly don't have my 67W (yes) charger with me

[fallen meteor]

what are you downloading

[royal orchid]

this app

it's kilobytes

[tranquil blade]

This is a new level of hackery

[prisma idol]

Never heard of a yes charger

[prisma yacht]

Yes man

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yas-wwe-scream-gif-17625417

[prisma idol]

But yeah, Right now my running theory is similar to this

[prisma yacht]

So you do know hk candice thing

Smh

[royal orchid]

can !bluko also be koya showing the middle finger like !rokaya

[prisma idol]

No, I just heard of it now

[urban kiln]

Honestly, this backstory and Brook's significance to someone in Imu's ranks might've been planned by Oda. Usually I'd call this stuff an effective retcon, but he could've just had the three pace hum notch slash be named by his crew. The raider squad was a needless detail if Oda only ever planned for Laboon and his Pirate Crew to be his past.

[prisma yacht]

[trim lily]

before the flashback my hope was that the dad was a holy knight that brook grew to be friends with (and the knight softened up too)

then the knight got killed for straying

if i can get that for candelle ill be happy

[dense rapids]

Chapter 1185

Rocks vs Yorki

[urban lodge]

It definitely feels like Oda had at least a rough idea since the start

[somber flare]

Another one added the Oda foreshadowed list

[olive sun]

I totally believe Oda had loose ideas about Brooks earlier life since the Rumbar Pirates was something he was doing in his 30s

Dude was long lived

[urban lodge]

Those lines about the kingdom and the battle convoy are like the Sanji lines about him being born in the north blue to me

[trim lily]

yeah i imagine he had some ideas about what brook was like before the rumbar pirates

[olive sun]

I think Princess Shuri is a total story adlib he came up with during this arc though lol

[trim lily]

given he explicitly references it here

[urban kiln]

And Brook's significance to someone in Imu's ranks, as well. Even going so far as to call him the Demon Lord after being summoned by a Pentagram symbol.

[prisma yacht]

There's also more to it....he says thriller bark originally comes from his homeland

[olive sun]

Not that it matters I'm excited to see more of his past

Brooks one of my favorite characters and this is way more interesting to me than the fight on Elbaf rn

[royal orchid]

oh wow I didn't recall that

[trim lily]

very excited for this flashback

[graceful belfry]

Same

[royal orchid]

makes you wonder how much oda has planned over the years

[urban kiln]

I think maybe the significance to Imu in some way might've been planned at least since timeskip, but Shuri was probably ad-libbed

[trim lily]

probably some core details and then filling in the gaps when he gets nearer

[olive sun]

Oda likes to leave doors cracked open for himself
Little crumb of something to follow up on in the future. He never fully closes any book

[fallen meteor]

he planned everything

[trim lily]

like imu as a concept likely existed for a while when the gorosie got introduced, but not imu themself

[prisma yacht]

Goda

[olive sun]

Lets him be loose while still keeping the universe cohesive

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-one-piece-marshall-d-teach-anime-rule-the-world-with-me-gif-20946749

[prisma yacht]

[hazy turret]

i mean brook had 50 years of unseen story, nami has like a few weeks to a few months?

[trim lily]

the 1 year old nami lore goes hard

[royal orchid]

nami's backstory will break the internet

[fallen meteor]

Oda knew from chapter 1 he would introduce the 🙂 🙁 guards in brook's second backstory

[urban kiln]

yeah. Im just saying that I usually consider him a master of retcons rather than foreshadowing. But stuff is a little too perfect here for it to ONLY be a retcon based on crumbs he placed without any plan

[iron oriole]

Fuck man... i just finished todays episode

[wet condor]

This needs to be an emote in here

[ashen perch]

That doesnt really change anything, its the circumstances around her infanthood that would be addressed

[prisma yacht]

:0 was it that good

[royal orchid]

big fan of |: ) guard

[olive sun]

Nami has a fleshed out additional backstory already
Oda deliberately cancelled the project that'd tell it to us

[fallen meteor]

<|:) and <|:(

[ashen perch]

I mean undoubtedly yeah

[olive sun]

That was crystal dream log or whatever strong worlds working title was

[dense haven]

every strawhat is getting another backstory

chopper forest god will be soon upon us

[trim lily]

the second chopper backstory detailing his life as a reindeer

[iron oriole]

Bro i've been crying since the start

The end broke me

[prisma yacht]

Woah

[urban lodge]

Chopper's parents were Imu's pets who ran away

[fallen meteor]

will reveal how he got his fruit from a guy named saint. a

[prisma yacht]

Imma watch it

[graceful belfry]

Looool

[urban kiln]

I don't think any other SH besides MAYBE Nami has any setup for a second backstory

[hazy turret]

well with this trend to make every strawhat special now, i suppose its likely

[royal orchid]

∈|:) and ∈|:(

[ashen perch]

I think you could say that the exact details had not been ironed out lol, but its ridiculous to think that Brook's backstory was not planned when Oda very deliberately planted seeds about the certain kingdom twice and left a whole void about Brook's life before piracy

[trim lily]

brook made the most sense to get his past more fleshed out but he didnt need it

but with gunko introduced he did need it now

[cerulean raven]

Ehh, I don't see it. Maybe Robin and Zoro.

[ashen perch]

well the trend thats always been the case yeah

[fallen meteor]

santa d. claus the reindeer saviour that gave chopper his fruit

[ashen perch]

silly way to look at things

[urban kiln]

Robin and Zoro definitely don't have any room. We know their backstories

[urban lodge]

I think this is the last one we'll get

[urban kiln]

Nami is the only one with questions that can be answered

[wet condor]

I always figured that we'd get more information about Brook at some point

[urban kiln]

but they dont need to be

[trim lily]

brook was perfectly fine with what we had up until the gunko mystery came into being

[urban kiln]

and Id prefer they arent

[graceful belfry]

Oykot Kingdom lore

Very possible

[trim lily]

i really dont want more to the oykot kingdom

[urban kiln]

but Im saying IF any more get a second backstory, I think only Nami will

[wet condor]

50 something years of history behind him

[ashen perch]

yeah, this is a silly way to look at things

[cerulean raven]

Zoro's "backstory"

[trim lily]

we are all silly and goofy on this blessed day

[urban kiln]

anyway ofc Arsal manages to turn Brook convo into Nami backstory convo

[royal orchid]

just a bit of sunday afternoon banter

[wet condor]

Well, I never cared that much about getting Brook's backstory even though I figured it was coming lol

[urban lodge]

With Brook it felt inevitable because we only saw such a small segment of his life at an already relatively late point in his life, and the Thriller Back flashback is less about him and more about his relationship to Laboon

[wet condor]

I agree

[ashen perch]

well when I think of more Robin's backstory, I am moreso thinking of her family tbh

[fallen meteor]

maybe we get a laboon second backstory

[urban kiln]

So not Robin backstory, but Robin's mother's backstory

[graceful belfry]

“Robin’s dad”

[rustic coral]

https://x.com/K0muuuug1xxx/status/2058142223435444336

こむぎ (@K0muuuug1xxx)

共闘！

X · May 23, 2026, 11:05 AM

[dense rapids]

The World’s Strongest Swordsman 70 years ago

[cerulean raven]

I genuinely forgot she had a dad.

[thick mango]

i guess i just wonder what a nami backstory would change? like say as an infant she had some cd conneciton or connection to some lore or whatever. So what? What now? Drawing a connection for the sake of drawing a connection isnt necessarily a good thing, its just noise if it doesnt actually impact the present

[ashen perch]

Olvia's journey, Robin's unknown mysterious dad, maybe there's significance to Eris looking somewhat like Olvia and Robin. Things of that nature! It would tie into Robin's own story.

[urban kiln]

agreed

[royal orchid]

"I don't even give a mom and dad to my main character!" -

[distant vine]

We already got the second Robin and Zoro backstory in my mind

[hazy turret]

in that case why wouldnt we get more about zoro's family

[distant vine]

And ofc Luffy, Sanji and now Brook as well

[dense haven]

oda has to explain why eris looks like olivias twin

[deep chasm]

everyones connected to a CD now

[ashen perch]

Rokaya I was about to say the same about Zoro

[royal orchid]

Nerona Mi

Nerona Mu

[trim lily]

nami's true name is nemi

[iron oriole]

Oda as much as i love Robin, please no 2nd flashback, i can't take the crying

[ashen perch]

I think in the case of Zoro, the timing was just not right for us to learn more about his family. I think we're going to later on. The family tree is a tease, its not some kind of expansive reveal that people paint it as

[urban kiln]

I think we've already been given the maximum amount of coincidental ties to larger story significant characters/families that I can accept reasonably. Especially now that Brook has a history with Shuri. In my eyes we have to stop here.

[ashen perch]

Why lol

[urban kiln]

Coincidence doesn't work that much

[deep chasm]

for the most part yea

[urban kiln]

as a justification

[thick mango]

it makes the world feel smaller rather than bigger

[urban kiln]

^

[distant vine]

Depends on how its shown

[royal orchid]

there's a chance oda might make someone a D in the future

vivi style

[fallen meteor]

jinbei a D.

[deep chasm]

one of the strawhats?

[tranquil blade]

Kid is a D

[royal orchid]

yeah, like some far descendant

[iron oriole]

Jimbei, first son of D sea is his full name

[deep chasm]

hey maybe robin I guess

[fallen meteor]

jinbei could get more backstory, he's old and we've seen just a part

[urban lodge]

Ngl that would be boring

[fallen meteor]

i agree

[royal orchid]

I don't think there's anything more from Jimbe

[fallen meteor]

just saying it would be the easiest one to do

[royal orchid]

the arlong ties are interesting

[deep chasm]

backstories at this point just should actually have relevance to the current story (unless its like a 1-2 chapter thing)

[royal orchid]

but I don't see anything else

[deep chasm]

so someone like jinbe getting a backstory seems a bit mid unless its like how "loki's flashback" was more of a rocks and harald thing

[wet condor]

I don't really care about her's either really

I don't care much about Jimbe's either

[prisma yacht]

Oykot cld be a hunting ground which was interrupted by revos

[cloud charm]

Brook in thriller bark:

ESPERIA IS TB NOW?!

[royal orchid]

oh no

god valley is thriller bark never died after all

[distant vine]

I dont mind learning more about Zoro's past as long as he's not forced to care about it

[wet condor]

I'm very much focused on what's presently going on. If the backstory doesn't relate to the Void Century in some way, I don't really care about it

[distant vine]

Which is why I felt like the SBS family tree was the perfect method

[oak sage]

Brook past reveal and related to final plot is not something I would have guessed years ago xd

[ashen perch]

I see it as fated connections personally, I've yet to struggle with suspending my disbelief in regards to things and I am curious to know why there has to be a quantifiable limit to how many times Oda does that sort of things when the story has always been built around them.

[deep chasm]

real. I will also accept 1-2 chapter flashbacks as motivation for a character in a fight

[wet condor]

Same lol

[royal orchid]

wow yeah it really does make you think "was the world that small that brook is one connection away from imu"

[distant vine]

What?

[urban lodge]

It feels so natural though

[royal orchid]

what red was saying earlier

[distant vine]

Dude can we give it a second to learn why Imu went for Gunko lmao

[urban kiln]

Luffy ties to Garp/Dragon/Shanks and having the Will of D. etc.
Robin being the only one that can read poneglyphs because of her home country.
Sanji's family being one of the world government's nations. Father has ties to vegapunk.
Brook's connection with Shuri.
Zoro's connection to Wano (luckily this one isnt like literally a direct decendant of Ryuma, buty he still has a connection to the Shimotsuki through his backstory)
Franky's memorization of the Pluton plans, and as an aside, connection to Queen who in turn worked directly alongside Vegapunk.

Making Nami a celestial dragon or whatever would just push it over the edge imo. I think fate is fine in stories but I think there are limits to where my suspension of disbelief goes out the window. I'm already kinda there tbh, but anything more and I'd just outright dislike it.

Your suspension of disbelief and mine have different parameters ig.

[ashen perch]

Should we not address the connections between Zoro's village and Revolutionary Army that have been teased already? or the split off among the Wano group that left the country that is more than likely the reason why Tashigi looks so much like Kuina? or whatever really was the reason why they even left Wano in the first place? or why Nusjuro has the Shodai Kitetsu while resembling Zoro's master Koushiro, made by an ancestor of Kozaburo, the old man from Koushiro's village

[urban lodge]

Not only do we have the lines about his kingdom and the battle convoy but there's also the satanic imagery surrounding Brook, it ties in really well

[ashen perch]

and this is only about one character, Zoro

[prisma yacht]

Esperias structure

[ashen perch]

these are fated connections, thats just how the story is

[prisma yacht]

And lily

[oak sage]

I'm one connection away from Antonio Banderas. Is not hard to be "connected" like that or just knowing someone who knows someone.

There was a study and it was like everybody is connected by 4 or 5 people in the middle.

[prisma yacht]

[urban kiln]

I'd like the story not to be that way, to that extent

its that simple

you've leaned into it heavily, I'm accepting of it to an extent

[jade rain]

Is this the first time imu mentioned Luffy by name

[urban kiln]

we have different interests in media

[ashen perch]

Red you listed 10 different examples of the story always being that way, why apply a limit on it

[deep chasm]

everything has a balance

[distant vine]

True I feel like youre 15+ years too late to draw the line

Sorry

[urban kiln]

this is a disingenuous argument

I explained why I mentioned those

and why even more would bother me

[hazy turret]

so true! so incredibly true

[thick mango]

its crazy to act like you cant understand why youd want certain properties/features/threads to be used in moderation

[urban kiln]

^

[trim lily]

if youre not already a huge fan of something in the first place then your tolerance for it lessens as it happens more

[deep chasm]

there is literally a balance to everything. Everyone would have a limit for this stuff. It just seems like someone is setting a bad limit to you cuz its below the limit you'd personally set

[dense haven]

chopper having the holy slap is definitely gonna end up in another flashback there is nothing we can do about it

[royal orchid]

wow I saw someone complaining about the paneling on the last 2 pages

[trim lily]

special reindeer technique passed down from the ancient kingdom reindeer

[wet condor]

Why this killing me

[urban kiln]

Like, One Piece does a lot of fakeout deaths. I don't like MOST of them, but I accept them IN MODERATION.

If Whitebeard and Ace came back into the story next week's chapter, I'd dislike it. And the argument "but One Piece has always done fakeout deaths, so theres no issue with this" would fall flat

its the same concept

[ashen rose]

POV: you're a possessed giant

[distant vine]

Difference is fakeout deaths are usually bad but this connections stuff Id argue is neutral or positive

[dense haven]

dude imagine if chopper cures all diseases with god powers instead of medical knowledge

[urban kiln]

subjective

[distant vine]

True it is subjective

[wet condor]

The Chop situaton is actually intersting

[wet condor]

You know what

[ashen rose]

"character arc"

[wet condor]

I hadn't considered that

[hazy turret]

the balance for me was thrown off when luffy's destiny shifted to him being basically the reincarnation of joyboy/nika

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/slap-face-slap-1

[ashen perch]

I mean thats just then a fundamental misunderstanding of the story that youre experiencing I am sorry, its not about moderation and It cannot be compared to some flaw when thats a core central aspect of the story itself.

[wet condor]

But that'd actually make his dream possible

[deep chasm]

connections like these when not in moderation become bad. if every character was actually connected to some super crazy historical character it'd become a bit lame

[rose rune]

almost forgot I made this

[ashen rose]

Bro became an L

[wet condor]

I wonder if that's where Oda is going with it

[distant vine]

I understand but...its still really funny to draw the line now idk LOL

[sly belfry]

befitting op, hard work is for losers

[urban kiln]

God you suck

[sly belfry]

gods>>

[urban kiln]

I'm gonna get ready for work

thats just a loaded statement

goodbye

[ashen rose]

Bye

[distant vine]

Bye

[hazy turret]

the line wasnt drawn now, its just much closer to being approached

[deep chasm]

like how though? No one is dropping the series over it. it happening in the past doesnt mean you cant say okay if we get 5 more instances Id say thats too much of it

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/fern-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-season-2-anime-girl-gif-13647920306909544011

[thick mango]

i mean everyones got a line somewhere, for me its perobably already crossed and starting to detract

[ashen perch]

I mean sorry, but I am just baffled at the whole concept of drawing a line at this sort of thing

[wet condor]

Why does it feel in some way more believable that Chopper is the reincarnation of a forest god capable of healing all ailments than it is him acquiring all the necessary medical knowledge to cure all illnesses

[deep chasm]

baffled that someone could think too much of a trend is bad is interesting

[ashen rose]

Man, everyone here just hates drawing lines

[trim lily]

both are very fantastical concepts

[dense rapids]

A hunting game happened 56 and 53 years ago

56 years ago we see Gunko in the flower room

52 years ago it’s suggested Brook first became a pirate

[ashen rose]

Get a ruler or something

[sly belfry]

spoken like a true odaslob

[deep chasm]

This is just a common fallacy or something at this point. "But x thing has happened before so how come you dont like it?"

[distant vine]

I guess I'd say its funny if 5 more is your line if we're at 500 vs 10

[dense rapids]

Hunting Game on Esperia 56 years ago

[ashen perch]

Yeah I mean if it was too many fakeout deaths, too many offscreens, too many cutaways, I would totally understand the point

[deep chasm]

If we're at 20, and soemone says it'd be too much if we got to 30, why are you shocked

[distant vine]

But youre right this is subjective so I dont have much to say in terms of how much is too much

[thick mango]

why? Ofc everyone got a line. You light fights right? So you like a 10 chapter fight? 50 chapter fight 300 chapter fight? Everyones gonna draw the line somewhere where the fight is too long.
You like connections, what if every straw hat is special? What if every grand fleet member is special? What if literally every single named character has a connection to a celestial dragon.
There are spectrums here why is it crazy to say you have some line somewhere along these kinds of spectrum where whatever the thing is becomes too much?

[distant vine]

I think my next gut feeling would be that its not bad.

[deep chasm]

Tell me the difference between this and what Red was saying without loading it with the arbitrary buzzwords

[inner agate]

Hes Namis dad from Oykot fr fr

[distant vine]

Particularly in this case with Brook

[dense rapids]

56 years ago Garp joined the marines

Brook will hear about Roger 56 years ago

[distant vine]

With CD Nami Im iffy on

[deep chasm]

all of these things, when within moderation, aren't necessarily negative. It just so happens too much of anything tends to become bad

that applies to these connections too

it being a "core aspect" or whatever you want to call it wouldnt change that

[distant vine]

If there's something interesting to be brought with added connections, like Brook, I'm probably gonna welcome it, vs if I think its uninteresting like Wano and Zoro

[dense haven]

we started reading op for cool pirate story about inherited will but later it becomes about gods, demons and bloodlines

[deep chasm]

if every strawhat was a direct relative of like a CD or historical figure would you be happy with it

[distant vine]

Yeah thats okay

[dense haven]

no its not

if you like a pirate manga you want it to be about pirates and not cooking

[iron oriole]

"Tot Musica" (Imu) destroyed it after claiming Shuri & taking control of her body, probably as like a ritual thing so Imu can fully replace the Shuri side with Gunko, break her mind sort of deal

[dense haven]

some people accept it and others dont

[dense rapids]

This moment is important because Esperia probably fell during this same year

[distant vine]

Hmm. Purely in and of itself no. Idk if Oda could land the narrative though so I feel like in that scenario Id be upset if that makes sense

[balmy lava]

its also a story about grandeur, and somebody who wants to be basically a mythical level king, and the journey it takes to get there.

[hazy turret]

its kind of crazy this even needs to be said

[dense haven]

arsal is the kind of person who would still read one piece if it turned into a sports manga midway

[distant vine]

Like, if Oda could have every SH be CD or descendant of a historical figure and theyre all in isolation well written, Id okay it

[dense rapids]

Gunko is 21

[deep chasm]

yea so thats really all this is about. If one character was related to a CD or historical figure it wouldnt be a problem. But too much is bad. Too much of anything tends to become bad

[ashen perch]

The difference is that we're talking about a core inherent part of the story itself right now, you cannot separate the series from what its meant to be. You cannot say that it could somehow follow a core theme of it too much, when the series is over 1100 chapters and there's bound to be reaffirmations of that theme over and over again

[dark nymph]

gives me Rose of Versailles vibes

[dense rapids]

[distant vine]

Its still a pirate story btw

[deep chasm]

is some stuff being offscreened not a core inherent part of the story

[ashen perch]

thats a flaw of the pacing

[distant vine]

In fact cant you reverse it pretty easily?

[deep chasm]

is it a core inherent part though

[ashen perch]

entirely different things lol

[balmy lava]

what is interesting is was shuri under imus control here, or was she pleading with him...ect.

[deep chasm]

but is it a core inherent part

[ashen perch]

no?

[deep chasm]

lol

[dense haven]

yea just like the democratic people's republic of korea is a bastion of freedom

[ashen perch]

I dont think youre understanding what inherent means

[iron oriole]

Completely Gunko at that point, thats the Imu attendant attire

[deep chasm]

"cannot separate the series from what its meant to be" Arsal please understand a story having a theme or a trend doesnt mean that you're not still meant to moderate the usage of it

[balmy lava]

the thing is esperia might be a member nation, and I wonder if she was getting close to Imu in some way. Esperia already where garmets similar to holy knights.

[stone terrace]

is everything persona

[deep chasm]

please list some of the "inherent" aspects of the story, otherwise seems like you're just using this very arbitrarily

[urban kiln]

I've got another 10 minutes, final thouths

[dense rapids]

There were no log poses 70 years ago

That might be brought up in this flashback

Tho you don’t need one in the 4 blues

[urban sluice]

untagged Other series spoilers are being referenced in #art and its a series that I recently started 😢 plz help

[dense rapids]

70 years ago Harald talks about Neptune and Poseidon

70 years ago Brook sung about meeting the mermaid

[fallen meteor]

oh you retired

when did this happen

[urban lodge]

I think Buggy is onto something, a native hunt taking place 56 years ago sounds too important

[dense haven]

it wouldn't have happened if you didn't retire

[dense rapids]

Has Brook ever seen Harald’s portrait or made any comments about the giants

[urban lodge]

Wait this is crazy

[wet condor]

I enjoy your takes Red

[urban lodge]

It's definitely going to tie in

[wet condor]

You articulate yourself well

[dense rapids]

I think those events 56 years ago are connected to Esperia

Rocks came from the west blue too at the same time

[deep chasm]

Im confused whats the connection to brook herre

[ashen perch]

I mean things like adventure, the pursuit of dreams, freedom, inherited will, found familly, the struggle against oppression, and a historically layered journey of our protagonists that ties them back to tales that date centuries back, what Oda referred to as the ''true meaning of their adventures all along that they arent even thinking of themselves'' in regards to it going all the way back to the Void Century. Things of that nature basically that are so inherent to the series that I don't think you can truly separate the series from it.

[ashen perch]

this was implied to be Neptune

[royal burrow]

WHAT YALL KNOW BOUT BROWN BEARD

[wet condor]

Good list

[dense rapids]

Maybe but Harald also befriended all of those nations during that time

[urban lodge]

We know Esperia doesn't exist anymore, so we're speculating a native hunt may have taken place there, and we know it happens every 3 years which means one happened 56 years ago

Which is also when we first see Gunko in the flower room

[deep chasm]

And you think characters being connected to historical or very relevant figures is as essential to the story as the idea of adventure

[royal burrow]

DENYYYYYNIMMMM

[ashen perch]

yes!

[deep chasm]

ahhh that would make sense

[balmy lava]

based on the way they dress and act, its possible they are a member nation is one thing to note

[urban kiln]

One Piece has two intertwined themes that it does leave heavily into. One of them does relate to fate, another one relates to freedom/hope/etc. These two are kinda diametrically opposed, so I think moderation actually is important here even if you want to argue how important fate/destiny/etc is. For everything to be dictated by fate, it means these characters lack any freedom of choice.

Now mind you, even if freedom wasnt relevant, I'd still be upset if we got more "coincidences" or "fated lineages" etc. Because even with fate, I still believe moderation is relevant. Otherwise people like Imu or the world government wouldnt really exist in their current form in the first place. Or Joyboy and his allies wouldn't have failed in the past, etc. So fate isnt this inherent element that permeates every single aspect of the story. And if it was, I as an individual with values of my own don't have to think thats good, even if its what Oda is trying to get across.

I am an individual, a lot of what people enjoy in stories comes down to subjective interests and experiences. There are stories that exist where fate is a major factor, that don't go as hard as what you're hoping One Piece does on it. Series where my suspension of disbelief is not broken.

I'm just telling you where MY suspension of disbelief lies. And you're telling me, "um, as per the themes, you're not allowed to feel that way or else you lack understanding of the story 🤓 "

[dense rapids]

Brook said the last time he saw Gunko was when she went off to the the holy land

What if that was for a reverie, but that would mean Brook would’ve went to unless there’s some reason he had to stay back

[urban lodge]

Could be, but we know there will be some type of WG interference, just not the specifics

[urban kiln]

@ashen perch

ill leave it there from my side

[balmy lava]

going to the holy land would not be uncommon for member nation is what I am thinking too. So connection with CDs would be normal for member royalty.

[restive lintel]

Gunko was kidnapped, Candel could've gone to the Reverie

[dense rapids]

I don’t think she was kidnapped

Brook didn’t say it that way

[deep chasm]

Candel invited the CDs to Esperia for the hunt‼️

[restive lintel]

Brook thinks she ruined the kingdom & killed her father

[dense rapids]

He said she went to the holy land and he lost contact

[mighty quail]

...was about to click off and you say this shit...

[restive lintel]

Brook is wrong about Gunko

[dense haven]

people only hating on candice because she's pretty

[urban lodge]

Not kidnapped per se but I think Candelle took her there with malicious intent

[balmy lava]

has brook ever hinted that he had been to the holy land? Cause he seems to know some things.

[ashen perch]

The unconscious fated connections are actually inherent to the series I dont know what to tell you Laww. Its what an arc as early as Loguetown was centred around, it was no coincidence that Luffy was so similar to Roger and its even in the same arc that the narrator literally even notes the fated connections dating back to a tale from a long long time ago

[dense rapids]

I don’t think so

[deep chasm]

you fw the theory?

[mighty quail]

no

hell no, in all the words

[restive lintel]

This, I'm glad more people are seeing the evil Candel hints

[deep chasm]

" I dunno what to tell you" ->
Option A: "Im Wrong"

[blazing mantle]

Brook knows what a gods knight is so probably

[dense rapids]

Queen Candel and Gunko went to the reverie and that reverie Imu decided to erase Esperia like the reverie at Lulusia

[deep chasm]

brook knew what a god knight was?

[deep chasm]

oh

[dense haven]

brook was a holy knight that's gonna be the huge twist

candice is good and brook was evil

[blazing mantle]

Knock it off

[mighty quail]

still waiting for someone to tell Luffy he's Joyboy when he's not in G5 and he's just gonna pull a Luffy on them because that's also an inherent trope. you don't pull the fate thing on Luffy himself, it has to happen around him

[restive lintel]

Imu decide to erase Esperia because the history or some fact of Void Century was present in their songs

[blazing mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/young-thug-youngthug-handshake-hand-shake-gif-1554381679487327965

[restive lintel]

Song of Void Century

[dense rapids]

The song of the Flying Dutchman

Vander Decken

[urban lodge]

Yeah, I think it's very likely she already had some prior connection to the WG (was a HK or blade of god). My idea is Imu took notice of Shuri's promising strength and requested that Candelle bring her there to make her his servant but ironically he had to kill Candelle to open up space for a new contract

[dense rapids]

“Dead men tell no tales…”

[blazing mantle]

How are people getting evil candelle hints already

At least wait for like a chapter or 2

[urban lodge]

Vibes, like I said

[restive lintel]

He will lead the Galleila

[mighty quail]

that's not what that means, god knights showed up on God Valley for the hunt...

[blazing mantle]

We’re not doing this

[dense rapids]

That’s Loki

[urban lodge]

Trust my intuition smh

[dense rapids]

Candel definitely an opp

There’s a reason Brook stops loving just her and wants to see everyone’s panties

[blazing mantle]

Did you also think Rueven was evil based on “vibes”

[urban lodge]

No

Never for a second

[blazing mantle]

Ok man

[urban lodge]

Because of 1149

[deep chasm]

you'll be wrong we'll be right

[blazing mantle]

What happened in that chapter

[deep chasm]

its that simple I fear

[urban lodge]

Where Shuri was screaming and crying for her dad

[restive lintel]

Ruwen is also not evil precisely because of the vibes this chapter

[blazing mantle]

Oh yeah

[restive lintel]

Different characterisation, mean looking evil face but chill laid back personality

[blazing mantle]

Penny reads leaks so I meant before the translation came out

[mighty quail]

also yeah I don't see why people are taking candelle as being the reason the incident happened. keep in mind if we're thinking seriously, what happened to Gunko is what should've happened to Vivi.

[restive lintel]

Candel is the evil hiding in plain sight

[urban lodge]

Hey phrasing it that way makes me sound like a spoilers reader

[blazing mantle]

Ykw I’m gonna stay adamant on this one

[blazing mantle]

Are you not

[urban lodge]

I do read unofficials but not spoilers

[blazing mantle]

Oh my bad then

[swift ibex]

Its obvs this small child is evil

[blazing mantle]

Nobody except the WG will be evil during this backstory and shuri, candelle, Rueven, and Brook will all be victims

[deep chasm]

candel will do bad things. Could be Imu possession and shit but she'll do some bad things

[urban kiln]

wanted to add this to the brook situation btw, if anyone was wondering why he has never mentioned it to the SHs.

[deep chasm]

but she'll be evil cuz we already got harald to be the good guy who was posessed

[balmy lava]

Candel could be forced to be a CD wife, and brook goes to the reverie to try and save her.

[deep chasm]

Id rather not that plot line be repeated so soon

[barren token]

The brook situation

[deep chasm]

but I mean sure thats possible

[blazing mantle]

If she’s being possessed then it doesn’t count

[urban kiln]

The Brook Situation is Crazy

[balmy lava]

honestly, I think most CDs are created through outside relationships.

[low blaze]

Brook aura

[deep chasm]

I mean ultimately my point is Candel will do bad things. Im not rlly getting nitpicky with the word evil. She may not be evil, but I think she'll end up doing bad stuff. Though I do lean to her actually just willingly being bad though

[deep chasm]

Maybe so, but that'd be poor to repeat here tbh

[inner agate]

Yeahh I think candel is another doffy who was expelled from her celestial dragon position and went back to claim her homeland but not in an evil way and brook is a holy knight sent to monitor her

[balmy lava]

Oda has repeated the same thing like 2x in a row for other things lol

so not sure I call harald poor

[deep chasm]

Im not talking about harald?

[blazing mantle]

Thank god fans don’t write one piece

[balmy lava]

no, we are talking about Oda repeating the same themes and situations over and over

[mighty quail]

the theories in here are getting crazier by the minute... could you lot wait one damn chapter before pulling this bullshit?

[inner agate]

Brook caused gunko to get captured its all brooks fault

[blazing mantle]

Chill out

[deep chasm]

I am talking about him repeating "x character forced to be a CD wife". We kinda had that with ginny recently, I think it'd be poor to repeat that so soon

[blazing mantle]

It’s not brooks fault

[urban kiln]

I mean theyre just talking in anticipation for more info

[urban lodge]

The Candelle evil theories make a lot of sense

[mighty quail]

we haven't had Candelle for more than literally 1 page

[deep chasm]

and so if you think oda has repeated this already...well that doesnt really change me thinking thats bad

[urban kiln]

this is what pre chapter discussion is like

[mighty quail]

I don't think it's ever been this bad lmfao

[barren token]

Brook sold shuri to the cds for 3 dollars and 50 cents and candelle got really mad so he killed her

Is my little theory

[urban kiln]

resin

[inner agate]

No dude you don't understand, we gathered "hints" of her being evil just trust me dude

[balmy lava]

I get that point, but we just had Kuma 'I became a slave to the WG to help those around me', and then Harald right after. So just saying it wont be unique for Oda to repeat the situation.

[inner agate]

I thought u said dont make sense nvm

[mighty quail]

....I fucking forgot about that

do I dare go look up my own theories

[deep chasm]

Okay but Im not really making a point of if it'd be unique or not. I just think it'd be not good. Im not sure what is gonna happen with candel. All Im really putting my name on is that she'll end up doing bad things somehow.

Otherwise Idk what will happen, but I think her being forced to be a CD wife would be not good given we just had ginny

[tranquil blade]

Joyboy possession or resin which is worse

[urban kiln]

people thought Killer was going to be a Vinsmoke.

People thought Enel showed up on Wano and was overlooking the scabbards

[deep chasm]

g4 tigerman was supposed to be luffy's powerup to some

[balmy lava]

Honestly, I wonder if we find out Candel is the father of Garling or something.

[mighty quail]

ok but tbf both of those are bullshit and anyone with a brain would've nixed that

[deep chasm]

Candel father of garling

[urban kiln]

the enel one was stupid but people actually believed it

[barren token]

Candelle isnt evil

Reuven...

[deep chasm]

there was a chapter where we thought Hawkins had joined Law's side and just for a week or two I thought Oda was writing peak

[barren token]

Looks evil

[urban kiln]

I think these Candelle theories are tame compared to all those

[deep chasm]

reuven most obvious non evil man ever

[iron oriole]

Reuven isn't evil

[urban lodge]

Anyone who thinks Reuven is evil is a 1149 skipper

[barren token]

Reuven looks like every evil royal we've seen combined

[balmy lava]

I am leaning right now that Brook killed the king, but we will have to see.

[tranquil blade]

Dont judge a book by its cover

[iron oriole]

Shuri did

[urban kiln]

Hawkins refusing to swap sides even after predicting he would lose by sticking with Kaido, just so that he can commit to his choice to betray Kid in the face of kaido, is kinda peak writing

[iron oriole]

Brook already called her out on it

[balmy lava]

Brook was corrupted at the time potentially, his memory is shaky

[prisma yacht]

queen candice

[deep chasm]

okay but can we give law a strong crew member

[tranquil blade]

He has Jean Bart

[mighty quail]

I think it's mostly that the way I see it, Oda will surely tie it in properly, but this backstory literally came out of nowhere. it's already coming out of nowhere, and you're immediately pushing assumptions about a character you've only known existed for half a chapter? I don't think that's happened before.

[urban kiln]

Jean Bart and Sulong Bepo are fine

[deep chasm]

jean bart

actual crumbs

[tranquil blade]

Hey Jean Bart tanked those bullets

[deep chasm]

sulong bepo vs zoro and jean bart vs sanji

[urban kiln]

its just people having fun trying to piece together what will happen with the little info we have

[deep chasm]

who let this happen

[barren token]

Where we see shuri cry out to her father who betrayed her?

[iron oriole]

Definitely not

[deep chasm]

not even sulong bepo cuz he only used it as last resort to run

[balmy lava]

[barren token]

Reminder Jean bart > Van augur > Cracker

[mighty quail]

I was gonna say, that was you Cunk...

of course it was

[deep chasm]

woah partner

lets chill on cracker hate

[mighty quail]

I leave for 3 years, and nothing has changed...

[tranquil blade]

It happened (in the anime)

[barren token]

Bitches cant handle my piss

[deep chasm]

let it be known cracker genuinely stalemates sommers

[ashen perch]

I think youre misunderstanding the point and arguing with something that I did not say, the fated connections do not mean that theyre meant to land at the same destinations as was preordained or as it had transpired before, they are specifically being established within the series to reinforce the point of freedom of choice and freedom of the life that they choose and the journey they've had. In order for that theme of mirroring circumstances but different destinations to be reinforced, we actually do need many of these connections to be established lol and I don't see a reason to place a quantifiable limit on it.

Franky's not his father, neither are Sanji, Luffy, or many of the other examples you've listed or the ones I am expecting in the future. When I say for example, Shanks is the descendant of Joyboy, I do not say it with the belief that he's going to follow the same path, I say it believing that his entire story is about what they expected his destiny to dictate and him defying that destiny. You're drawing a line at the inherent existence of more fated connections when that doesn't tell us how they're meant to be incorporated or executed, even when the track record of the series indicates that the fated connections are meant to be DEFIED.

[ashen perch]

Option B: I am not wrong.

[urban kiln]

ill read and respond in a bit, Im working from home

[deep chasm]

pretty uncommon for you

[ashen perch]

gotcha no worries lol

[balmy lava]

I think Imu wiped some of brooks memories when he was for a brief time a gods blade. But he also put in some fake memories so he would never come back to save Shuri.

[deep chasm]

but then how come imu dont care for brook

[iron oriole]

Imu doesn't even know who Brook is

[balmy lava]

because shuri took his place, and imu has his obessions and stuff.

[balmy lava]

plus, shuri would instantly become a potential ruler of the island, and Imu does seem to king collected.

[deep chasm]

I dont think that would mean Imu acts like brook doesnt exist

he could care more for gunko but still acknowledge he knows brook or whatever

[pseudo gulch]

Everyone but Usopp is getting something this arc huh

I see how it is Oda

It's on sight

[deep chasm]

usopp got cope material

[tranquil blade]

His time is coming still

[barren token]

Yeah I don't think imu personally raids the island or anything lol

[mighty quail]

oh nvm I was just annoyed that people were so insistent it was Luffy's fruit that got namechanged... ...god how far we've come

[barren token]

Hes not meeting brook

[balmy lava]

think about it, Brook goes to lower world with his mark. Out of range of Imu. Brook then dies, and the mark dies as well, so Imu assumes brook is dead.

[deep chasm]

usopp also might do 2% damage to zaza so dont worry

[pseudo gulch]

Surely... right...?

[urban lodge]

Vietnam flashbacks of the discourse about this panel

[deep chasm]

I mean if he cant tell Id find that weird, but sure I wouldnt put that past oda

[wraith mantle]

Gerds toy shield btw

[barren token]

Usopp will wield ragnir

[near raven]

Hi

[barren token]

We all know this

[tranquil blade]

0% cope 100% hope

[ashen perch]

nobody noticed how Imu was the only one seen after that panel lol

[balmy lava]

Imu is calling Rocks Davy Jones, not sure he is fully 100% there.

[pseudo gulch]

Who's we

[barren token]

All

All man

[urban lodge]

It was sooooo stupid

[mighty quail]

still waiting for the Luffy control losing possession arc, in context of that. 😄

[iron oriole]

Refuses to forget Joyboy etc but forgets someone who was a Gods Blade & close to his personal pet, it doesn't make sense

[deep chasm]

yea just make candel a blade of god and call it a day

[ashen perch]

I do think the will of the fruit is going to try but that doesnt mean it will succeed lol, thats silly

[mighty quail]

not succeed succeed, but in context of a conversation about fate, yeah.

[iron oriole]

I dont like the idea of Candelle being a blade or a HK tbh

Though i cant deny, they dress very similar

[ashen perch]

Candel is Carmel's sister btw

[mighty quail]

like I said to a friend of mine, can't wait for Imu to call Luffy Joyboy to his face and Luffy just goes "What? No, I'm Luffy, and I'm gonna be King of the Pirates. Who's Joyboy?"

[tranquil blade]

...

[barren token]

"Well yeah I am a pretty joyful boy"

[ashen perch]

Both Candel and Carmel's names are a reference to titles of Mary, Our lady of Mount Carmel and Our Lady of Candel
Carmel is also from the West Blue, just like Candel ofc

I guess I didnt post this here

Carmel was also introduced as a good person

[wraith mantle]

Did gunko scream mother or father when she briefly regained her memories?

[barren token]

Father

[urban lodge]

Father

[ashen perch]

you cant trust someone for that

[mighty quail]

...fuck I can see it now

[balmy lava]

father, when gaban was stabbed and falling to his death

[iron oriole]

Oh! Douzan bets btw

Former War God or Joyboys real name

[wraith mantle]

Oh yeah then her mom probably an evil person

Especially considering that outfit

[fallen meteor]

still nobody with Douzan on their name

[mighty quail]

Zou's in the name

[ashen perch]

at the very least Brook wouldnt know even if she got Knight'd like Harald, i.e tricked into it

[mighty quail]

yes I know what I just said

[barren token]

Just wait till douzan bears about this

[iron oriole]

Its someone Imu has eliminated

[fallen meteor]

bears

[dense rapids]

That panel where Brook says him and Luffy are born under the same is hinting at them both being D

[ashen perch]

so Brook and Gunko would still see her as evil regardless

[dense rapids]

Will

[barren token]

Where????

Imsofuckingscared

[white musk]

it was just getting so good and oda hits us with another flashback

[mighty quail]

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/kaden-bear-walk-gif-15031442544519350917

[ashen perch]

and it got even better

[mighty quail]

that's the part I'm getting confused by...

[prisma yacht]

fih

[urban lodge]

I'll shamessly do this because I'm proud of it

[prisma yacht]

Me wants more kid gunko

[urban lodge]

#also-manga message

[barren token]

Honestly we could have waited a few more chapters before being hit with another flashback even if this is a short one

[balmy lava]

Candel is Brooks weakness, which leaves him open for domination.

[ashen perch]

I cant believe Morj has a better take on this than 90% of the fanbase

[trim lily]

its going to hit 20 chapters again when rocks hijacks this flashback too

[prisma yacht]

Can't wait to see more from queen candice

[iron oriole]

I wonder why Brook didn't go with Shuri to Marijoa, maybe because she was with her mother & like Brook said "she's strong" so can handle things herself

[white musk]

lowkey yes but I want more lore and more Imu rn

[fallen meteor]

61 chs of brook flashback

[white musk]

like not now Oda I am eating

[ashen perch]

wait not the rocks part

nvm

[trim lily]

too late

[ashen perch]

I read that too quickly

[barren token]

Wait the way this flashback starts just before the punch and right after it ends it finishes the punch was so fucking peak

[tranquil blade]

Damn near drop worthy

[barren token]

Its actually nothing like this flashback

[ashen perch]

DELETED

[barren token]

At all

[mighty quail]

I might actually watch a video of his for once. because that video title is exactly what I'm thinking...

[ashen perch]

no its clickbait Retro, he thinks the timing is perfect

[fallen meteor]

its going to be a brook flashback for like 30chs then he reads about Rocks on a paper and then the pov shifts

[mighty quail]

fuck.

[white musk]

Oda is going to explain to us how she ended up in Imu's hands probably

[ashen perch]

you should watch it though, its good for once

[trim lily]

watching an optuber means its already too late for you

[mighty quail]

fair fair

[ashen perch]

I think a much closer example is actually Egghead

to be fair I watched it expecting to call him an idiot by the end of it

I was bored at work and just put something on the background

but then he shocked me by making actually good points, i.e the same points as me

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/tekking-tekking101-youtuber-funny-vampire-gif-25497361

[prisma yacht]

Just crushed this fuckass annoying bitch mosquito

[thick mango]

vampire serems like an under-explored area. Surely mihawk got some vampire shit going on ? dracule? red wine. etc

[tranquil blade]

The most 2013 thing I've ever seen

[hazy turret]

@urban lodge did you see what thigh posted in #art

[fallen meteor]

its the redfield or w/e his name is problem

[mighty quail]

....oh lol took me a minute before I realized what you meant lmfao

[ashen perch]

Mihawk's got the aesthetic and maybe he'll have attack names referencing it but I doubt it'll be much more than that

[thick mango]

no idea what you mean i might be missing the reference/context

[ashen perch]

Oda let a video game have the vampire mythical zoan

[thick mango]

oh

[ashen perch]

He only does that with fruits that he has 0 intentions of incorporating in the series

[fallen meteor]

game guy with vampire mythical zoan

[thick mango]

are any of his attacks named? I know he doesnt fight often

[urban lodge]

Whoaa no I hadn't, he sent me a wip but I didn't think he'd color it, it's so peak

[ashen perch]

nah nothing yet

but theres some in Pirate Warriors

[tranquil blade]

Guy who supposedly was a rival to Roger

[fallen meteor]

everyone was at this point

[thick mango]

stussy also has a vampire fruit though doesnt she?

[ashen perch]

Bat

[iron oriole]

No

[fallen meteor]

just bat

[thick mango]

or was that some other blood sucking thing

[iron oriole]

Just Bat

[ashen perch]

just a bat

[mighty quail]

imagine if this is all a setup to Brook awakening and then tying it in with that Usopp moment that Oda definitely totally won't leave out of Elbaf

[tranquil blade]

lol

[prisma yacht]

gunko's dad his rocks brother

[ashen perch]

I do think we're getting a big Brook powerup actually

[iron oriole]

Though Redfields is just "Bat Bat fruit, model: Vampire" i'm sure theres ways around it if Oda really wanted to include it like a Dracula fruit

[ashen perch]

dont be surprised when Brooks using Haki here btw

I bet he lost the ability when he died

Since the knights are meant to get involved here, it wouldnt surprise me to see him going toe to toe with them

[tranquil blade]

Why would he lose the ability

[trim lily]

shouldnt his willpower be back

[urban lodge]

YC1 level Brook is so real

[formal wagon]

so brook is blackbeards grandpa then????

so confusing

[ashen perch]

its different to use haki on flesh than on bones

[tranquil blade]

Are you saying dead people cant have wills

[urban kiln]

So what you've done is told me where your limit of suspension of disbelief ends. Yours ends at the character's actions, mine ends at having too many historically relevant anscestors etc. "Mirroring circumstances but different destinations" can be accomplished without giving Nami a second backstory. Nami has had the experience of oppression in the form of Arlong. These similar experiences dont require her to be coincidentally of celestial dragon descent etc.

So you insisting that I have to have the same suspension of disbelief limit as you is utterly ridiculous as we are different people. Stories that contain fate as a central theme do have limitations they set as to how much that fate impacts character relationships, histories, etc. One Piece is reaching the point where its getting harder for me to accept, so I don't want more.

[fallen meteor]

Will died?!

[formal wagon]

or the grandpa that stepped up

[iron oriole]

If so, i imagine its because his body had become a skeleton by the time he found it, rather than just because he died since the usual case with that DF wouldn't make you lost at sea for a year or however how long it was idr now trying to find their body

[trim lily]

yeah

[mighty quail]

oh yeah his cutting ability is better isn't it? I kinda clocked it when they all fell over outside the opera house, but that's one of the largest groups he's cut, I think...

[ashen perch]

yeah we've never seen the delay last THIS long

[mighty quail]

didn't even think about that, our brook is not prime brook

[formal wagon]

okay then who is luffy's

[ashen perch]

this was like half a day

of them not noticing that they got cut

[iron oriole]

Yeah its an extremely long delay

Kinda crazy for Brook ngl

[trim lily]

brook laced small nano detonators in his sword

[tranquil blade]

So Brook is washed now?

[formal wagon]

could pre skeleton brook be yonko level

[prisma yacht]

Y'all aren't ready for eos dragon

[trim lily]

yeah

[formal wagon]

let me knkow at earliest convienience

[barren token]

Only once a week according to oda

[urban lodge]

Did Sak see this

[formal wagon]

i like gunko's dad he's a funny guy

thats my take on the drama

[prisma yacht]

He has been ignoring me bcs of it

[mighty quail]

now the question is, what does this mean for Brook's fruit. ...actually... revive revive... couldn't that also mean that it could bring him back to his state when he was younger? it doesn't have to be from death... oh shit...

[fallen meteor]

happy birthday @native seal

[iron oriole]

True

[trim lily]

hes a real family guy

[formal wagon]

FAMILIY GUY

i love that show

[prisma yacht]

happy birthday @native seal

[iron oriole]

Fron did you watch the ep

[urban lodge]

Poor Reuven, he's gonna die a horrible death

[formal wagon]

y

[prisma yacht]

Not yet i was ummm I was just catching up yk I'm currently on the loki ep

[fallen meteor]

Reuben like the sandwich

[mighty quail]

Oda as per usual, a sneaky fuck

[formal wagon]

oh tahts right gunko murked him

hot take: gunko should not ahve done that

[iron oriole]

Why?

[urban lodge]

It's Imu's fault 💔

[prisma yacht]

Bcs it made brook upset

:<

[hazy turret]

yeah gunko is gonna be framed

[iron oriole]

Reuven was totally gonna kill Brook trust

[undone ferry]

did u all see the nika like thing when brook jumped
is it like coincidence or oda cookin smth

[hazy turret]

a repeat of loki's story

[iron oriole]

Well Loki wasn't exactly framed

[formal wagon]

1. murder is wrong, so i'm told
2. um he's a funny guy and i like him so he should live forever
3. he looks like blackbeard who is goated so he should live forever

[iron oriole]

He did in fact kill his father

[urban lodge]

I think she really did do it, but she was controlled or possessed, basically an inversion of Loki and Harald

[prisma yacht]

It's always a coincidence, oda can never cool anything

[formal wagon]

loki is a bum only has 1 flashback total fucking fraud

[fallen meteor]

its going to be like
Reuven was going to sacrifice his kingdom/brook to save Shuri/his wife and Shuri kills him and he dies happy but brook sees only the kill

[undone ferry]

but crazy similar look tbh.
like basically the same tbh

[formal wagon]

you need 2 flashbacks minimum to escape fraud jail

[trim lily]

i mean hes jumping

[hazy turret]

okay whatever but my point is that its going to be the same
"fuck you you killed your dad"
"actually (blank) made me do it"

[mighty quail]

yeah there's no way it's complete coincidence, it has the dawn framing

[undone ferry]

hmm

[hazy turret]

i swear theres a word for this

[tough dust]

you can tell that she didn't wanna do it lol

[prisma yacht]

Can't a man jump without being compared to a god

Smh smh

[undone ferry]

i feel that brook will do smth "joyboy" like for the town maybe

[mighty quail]

but that D though

[undone ferry]

defend or smth

[trim lily]

cant wait for brook to be a secret D

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-cat-meme-meme-meme-cat-gif-14470917232397934693

[wanton sundial]

will of D. means defend

[prisma yacht]

Whose dih

[trim lily]

will of die

[undone ferry]

the look is quite similar like how the leg looks and stuff ig.

[iron oriole]

I think Imu did it while in control & then released her so she could see her father dead & the Kingdom probably destroyed in order to break her mind so he can implant "Gunko"

[balmy lava]

she doesnt look like under mind control

[wanton sundial]

will of doctor

[formal wagon]

what is it?

[hazy turret]

no offense but why target that slob?

[prisma yacht]

Aight bro

[hazy turret]

ionno

[urban lodge]

Poor Reuven

[formal wagon]

cool word

[prisma yacht]

Slob😭

[formal wagon]

i learmed something new today

[trim lily]

iono from pokemon

[urban lodge]

I think a native hunt took place there

[formal wagon]

pokemon isnt real