Maybe more motivation to bot as well then lol
#also-manga
ashen perch
He's getting Cross Guild
It'll be an equal alliance ofc, but it'll justify the strength of his side in the upcoming and inevitable Hachinosu War
grand flower
What’s your favorite arc, pink-San?
pulsar path
How come viz comes after us but not twitter spioilers or YouTubers 🙃
ashen perch
It did strike all the leakers on Twitter
pulsar path
Who the f is giving out spoilers
ashen perch
There was a whole ass arrest linked to it back in 2024 too
These providers aren't frontline soldiers
They're far too safe from their reach
ashen perch
Yeah no that's not happening but BM will be involved against him
blazing depot
Wait did more leaker lore happen I deleted Twitter
hasty sable
pulsar path
Wait did more leaker lore happen I deleted Twitter
YouTube had whole damn discussions and chapter title
ashen perch
Wait did more leaker lore happen I deleted Twitter
Nah, just the same from 2+ weeks ago
blazing depot
YouTube had whole damn discussions and chapter title
Bring back snitching
pulsar path
Lol
hasty sable
Don’t know if we will get any more emperor alliances
pulsar path
I mean we gotta see shanks and buggy fight together
hasty sable
He’s a joke emperor
pulsar path
Shanks and buggy were notorious
Together unbeatable
King of pirates sons haki
Tbh tho cross guild has two shanks buddies in it
stone tulip
What’s your favorite arc, pink-San?
Can’t decide on overall but if it’s pre time skip then it’s either Arabasta or Enies Lobby because it’s Straw hat centric arc especially when it focuses on Robin specifically, but if it’s post time skip then it’s definitely Egghead cause it’s very first arc I had experienced weekly from the start to finish and there is so many things i looked forward to for long time had finally addressed like Kuma backstory or what happened to other characters in new world like Koby, Sabo, and Vivi.
ashen perch
Don’t know if we will get any more emperor alliances
Ofc we will
stone tulip
Don’t know if we will get any more emperor alliances
We may get Straw hat and red hair alliance
Which is technically final war type of shit I imagine
Or anything related to Blackbeard
ashen perch
They’d make more sense than buggy and teach to me
Cross Guild, a literal league of super villains in the making, is not about to join Shanks lol
They're going to be on BB's side, Buggy will eat shit and lose as he needs to for once before even getting any redemption. The descendant of Davy and the true fulfiller of his will, it's going to be an incredible alliance
fast pagoda
They're going to be on BB's side, Buggy will eat shit and lose as he needs to fo...
You think Buggy will become king of the world?
To be clear I 100% support this
ashen perch
Symbolically atleast, I don't think there's going to be any king of the world but they're going to think he beat Imu, freed the world and all that because he'll sit on his throne
Before the throne is destroyed by Luffy ofc, but the world won't need to see any of that
wraith mantle
ashen perch
They're going to be on BB's side, Buggy will eat shit and lose as he needs to fo...
The endgame is definitely Shanks and Buggy reconciling with each other ofc, but Buggy's going to go through a lot before it
fast pagoda
Yeah I agree
I have thought of Blackbeard allying with Cross Guild before
Shanks and Buggy will definitely still team up again
But way towards the end of the final saga
fast pagoda
I have thought of Blackbeard allying with Cross Guild before
I remember someone saying it would be similar to Hody and Decken in FMI
ashen perch
Yeah, I think Buggy's going to fall deeper into this villainy thing with Blackbeard, alongside his very own league of super villains that he's going to assemble before really being pulled out of it.
Hody/Decken alliance is a good reference point actually, I can see Blackbeard try to kill him
gritty vigil
I have thought of Blackbeard allying with Cross Guild before
Cross guild will be way too op
fast pagoda
Arsal
ashen perch
Yeah, I think Buggy's going to fall deeper into this villainy thing with Blackbe...
It's not gonna turn out good for Buggy at the very least
fast pagoda
Who else do you think will join Cross Guild?
gritty vigil
I hope there will be one more buggy pirates vs strawhats fight
Kinda like a funny one similar to orange town
ashen perch
Doflamingo w/ his crew, Moria w/Perona and Weevil, along with Neo-Mads. That's it
Crocodile, Buggy, Mihawk, Moria, Doflamingo and Weevil. Those are going to be the 6 Warlords, with Blackbeard actually representing the 7th for the full set
quiet ice
The endgame is definitely Shanks and Buggy reconciling with each other ofc, but ...
Reconciling meaning they become an item of course
ashen perch
Hell yeah
fast pagoda
Reconciling meaning they become an item of course
quiet ice
Although Mihawk/Croco top x Buggy bottom throuple is also insanely good
iron oriole
Fuck Trebol
Hate that fucking laugh so much
& the constant "hey hey"
No hate on the VA though, clearly did the job well
ashen perch
trebol can stay in jail
Nobody's staying in jail because it's going to cease to exist
trim lily
the entire justice system 
thick mango
Well stay in jail sink to the seafloor tomato tomato
trim lily
i feel like everyone being freed from impel down is a net negative on the world
iron oriole
Definitely
hasty sable
Yeah, but Impel Down shouldn’t exist anyway
tranquil blade
i feel like everyone being freed from impel down is a net negative on the world
Even just a portion of them being freed was a net negative
ashen perch
It'll be Buggy's fault this time, who is still a villain
iron oriole
Especially lower levels, obviously level 6 is basically empty now, maybe Doffy is down there? Idr if it said when Magellan was talking with him but level 5 are still really bad criminals
ashen perch
He's going to recruit them to his side and they'll get fodderized in the war
tranquil blade
Impel Down is unnecessarily cruel though so it shouldnt just stay as is
thick mango
I think 5050 cg impel down or cg lodestar davyback fight
iron oriole
Theres only really like the 5.5 newkama that wouldn't be a net negative on the world
hasty sable
Looking increasingly likely to me that all four emperor crews will just clash at the final island
iron oriole
Impel Down is unnecessarily cruel though so it shouldnt just stay as is
Yeah it should be destroyed but whether that means relocating the prisoners or just "nah there was no people in there wdym?" When they break it & flood it, is yet to be decided
blazing depot
No hate on the VA though, clearly did the job well
Fun fact, in the dub Trebol is voiced by the same guy playing Deadpool in rivals
ashen perch
Looking increasingly likely to me that all four emperor crews will just clash at...
There's a little island called PIRATE ISLAND
And you guys are trying so hard to not make it the setting for PIRATE WAR
hasty sable
If next island is Lodestar then I don’t think we get Hachinosu sadly
ashen perch
Nobody's getting to Lodestar because Nami is special and so is Gaban
Roger and SHs are going to be the ones to share the feats that only Roger and his crew accomplished
iron oriole
Nobody's getting to Lodestar because Nami is special and so is Gaban
You just follow the log pose 
ashen perch
Blackbeard's destined to be a loser, so is Buggy and so is Shanks. They're not worthy
ashen perch
You just follow the log pose <:BrookShrug:680559335058702376>
It's not this simple lol
hasty sable
Lowkey last road ponegltph is going to be in the Heaven World
ashen perch
I mean going to Skypiea was also just following the logpose but everyone who got on the knock up stream was getting killed by it
hasty sable
It’s the only region of Elbaf we know virtually nothing about
iron oriole
It's not this simple lol
It really is, log pose just says "go this way"
Now if you said Laugh Tale because they're both special & nobody else is then sure
ashen perch
Nami was special there too, and that's why they made it successfully on a route that no one's supposed to.
Gaban actually being the only other man who did that btw, they really have that in common too
thick mango
is there anything that actually suggests its hard to navigate to?
i thought it just sort of the attrition of the hostility along the way
like we see happen to kid and law
hasty sable
Roger was the first person to have made it there by his time
But we don’t know if others haven’t since then
ashen perch
Roger was the only one to make it to Lodestar, its the final island in a stretch of sea that gets increasingly more difficult to travel into as you get deeper into it
iron oriole
Unless the seas get extra crazy even moreso than they already do, the closer to lodestar you get then it's literally just follow the arrow
thick mango
but the danger comes from people not seas. or at least thats what we've seen recently
ashen perch
Oda's statement about the next island also directly confirms that no one's made it since then
Now, obviously he's not talking about Laugh Tale
hasty sable
I am choosing to not look into that statement too much as I think it was a general tease about us being on the road to laugh tale
ashen perch
but the danger comes from people not seas. or at least thats what we've seen rec...
I think you underestimate the dangers of navigation just because Nami's leading the charge
thick mango
when was the last time anyone was shown navigating something difficult?
you can say its implied sure but im just wondering when was it last explictly shown
ashen perch
There's like a whole section at the beginning of pretty much every island based arc thats all about "holy shit this is so difficult to navigate"
Elbaf's actually the only exception and really that's because they're being literally carried by the giants themselves, who know their island and its surroundings
Wano was unbelievably difficult to navigate to, and Luffy almost drowned lol
iron oriole
Ehh theres also an easy way up & down Wano
ashen perch
I mean yeah but that's not for random travelers
iron oriole
Same with Skypiea
ashen perch
That was for Kaido's men
iron oriole
Sure but then they still made the choice to then go down the hard way, self inflicted difficulty there
ashen perch
I don't think Kaido was allowing them to use it man
iron oriole
I'm talking about when they left Wano
They made the choice to not take the elevator down
ashen perch
Oh sure yeah, I was thinking of when they got there
When Luffy damn near drowned lol
iron oriole
When they got there sure you can argue that they didn't know about it etc
iron oriole
Well
ashen perch
They don't have a Lodestar ship carrying them safely to Lodestar
hasty sable
Burn scar is Saul, last glyph is in the heaven realm, next arc kicks off emperor showdown
ashen perch
Lodestar is obviously impossible to navigate to, or else Roger wouldn't be the only one to pull it off
iron oriole
If theres gonna be something extra about getting to Lodestar, i expect Gaban to tell Nami before we leave Elbaf
warm sierra
Elbaf's actually the only exception and really that's because they're being lite...
Was it? There was the sleeping mist and it made them literally lose half the SH
ashen perch
No, no and no
spice cairn
Hanafuda sisters....
ashen perch
Was it? There was the sleeping mist and it made them literally lose half the SH
You're right, true
ashen perch
If theres gonna be something extra about getting to Lodestar, i expect Gaban to ...
Yeah maybe
hasty sable
actually no he isn't Saul
ashen perch
I am expecting a warning personally, not a big "here's your walkthrough for how to get to Lodestar"
iron oriole
I dont expect Gaban to outright say whatever it is that makes it extra difficult but like a heads up warning
ashen perch
Think Kokoro warning them about the Florian Triangle for example
hasty sable
But burn scar will be met next arc
thick mango
i mean hes gotta be
iron oriole
I dont expect Gaban to outright say whatever it is that makes it extra difficult...
Maybe a hint at what it might be
thick mango
or even this arc
hasty sable
who can this dude be
iron oriole
But tbh these days, it could be Burn Scar stopping people
ashen perch
probably yeah, that doesn't mean he'll hand over anything
thick mango
well he will one way or another
iron oriole
I lowkey expect him to be living on Lodestar & patrolling the surrounding seas
ashen perch
Well yeah, but I just can't see it being as simple as just getting to Lodestar or something
He's gonna evade the crew
wheat dome
How far does each Current Straw Hat get if they faced Luffy's Past Opponents?
warm sierra
Burn scar feels weird because so far the SH got the poneglyphs without that being the main purpose really
So I feel like it will be more coincidential again
blazing depot
How far does each Current Straw Hat get if they faced Luffy's Past Opponents?
Cracker sneak 😭
hasty sable
Zoro and Sanji make it through Katakuri
iron oriole
He's gonna evade the crew
Idk with how he defends the poneglyph, i expect him to be defending Lodestar the same way & if he can just sink ships with whirlpools, the need to evade is less
thick mango
idk that cant be it there are people who can fly and swim really effectively
hasty sable
Crocodile is a deadstop for almost everyone else except Jinbe
and if not Croc then Enel
iron oriole
idk that cant be it there are people who can fly and swim really effectively
Swim? Through a whirlpool?
thick mango
a fishman probably can yeah
iron oriole
I doubt it
And even if someone got on the ship, i'm sure he's strong enough to deal with it + he's probably not alone
ashen perch
I'm sure burn scar is going to be incredibly powerful as a fighter so anyone who does get close is still losing
iron oriole
And even if someone got on the ship, i'm sure he's strong enough to deal with it...
Sailing is hard enough as it is, adding the extra madness from the Grand Line etc... its impossible to sail solo
wheat dome
and if not Croc then Enel
funny enough despite being on the weaker end of the crew, Nami might have the best chance with them using Zeus's power over rain and lightning.
iron oriole
I think most could get past Croc, i think they'd be smart enough to also think of water = touch but Enel is stopping them easily
thick mango
i dont care for enel
wheat dome
and several of these characters get upscaled later
Oh to be clear on that I do mean the oppenents as they were so BW Croc and CP9 Lucci not CG Croc and CP0 Lucci
wheat dome
it's mainly because Logia powers
though the lack of Haki among members is an issue
As far as I know the only Haki users are Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbei for CoA+CoO, and Ussop has CoO
thick mango
id enjoy both but there would be so much enjoyment to be had out of the rage of powerscalers and usopp haters if he got it
ashen perch
who should get conq, nami or usopp
Both will.
frail kindle
arsal coming in with the super wrong answer
ashen perch
I'm right
thick maple
who should get conq, nami or usopp
Neither cus both suck
thick mango
betting wise id guess neither will
thick maple
And are not worthy of being conquerors
thick mango
sanji doesnt even have it yet
hazy turret
Both will.
there is a very specific reason i replied to kierran, because i knew if i left it open some fool such as yourself would reply with an answer that is bound to set me off
thick maple
I'd bet my soul on both tbh
Can you bet a 100$
ashen perch
No
thick mango
and idk base level conq is kinda useless. it would feel kinda cheap to me to be like hey look they got it too see? im checking off the boxes! look at all these boxes i checked
ashen perch
there is a very specific reason i replied to kierran, because i knew if i left i...
I'm completely right and I'm afraid you're not ready to hear it
hazy turret
yare yare
trim lily
and idk base level conq is kinda useless. it would feel kinda cheap to me to be ...
theyd basically have to get acoc too as silly as it is
ashen perch
It'll be advanced CoC too
trim lily
at least acoc might(?) not be the only weakness of the knights
thick mango
theyd basically have to get acoc too as silly as it is
yeah exactly theyd have to go from 0 to 100 for it to actually have any impact on the late game story
ashen perch
Nami's gonna beat Mars with it and Usopp's going to beat Peter with it, naturally
thick maple
Arsal when have your predictions been right
trim lily
naturally
tranquil blade
Just give the entire crew coc atp
ashen perch
Arsal when have your predictions been right
Very often in Elbaf actually
thick maple
Very often in Elbaf actually
Like which ones?
ashen perch
I'm at my strongest right now
trim lily
Just give the entire crew coc atp
except jinbe
tranquil blade
except jinbe
What did Oda mean by this
hazy turret
except jinbe
wow
thick mango
you cant really hold anyone to their predictions without something like a bingo card cause the correct ones get highlighted and the wrong ones quietly get forgotten. same as numerology
hazy turret
if there is any character in all of op you would give conq haki to, who would it be
mine is obviously fisher tiger
trim lily
hajrudin
hazy turret
okay questions over
trim lily
thick maple
if there is any character in all of op you would give conq haki to, who would it...
Shirahoshi
She may already have it tho
hazy turret
yeah shut it DOWN
tranquil blade
if there is any character in all of op you would give conq haki to, who would it...
Sabo
thick maple
yeah shut it DOWN
Brahhhh
ashen perch
I think there's a lot of things that were just obvious like the Legoland's importance, Gaban being the silhouette, Imu being the devil, Imu reveal, HKs getting up, and more that I really can't be too proud of
thick mango
if there is any character in all of op you would give conq haki to, who would it...
koby seems like a lock
trim lily
if we lived in a just world the silhouette was shiki
hazy turret
koby seems like a lock
maybe not as he is now
tranquil blade
I have let go of that world
ashen perch
I think there's a lot of things that were just obvious like the Legoland's impor...
I'm glad to have believed mosahoshi wayyy before the big hint for it was dropped though, I mean that's a big one
trim lily
even if it is shirahoshi i wont believe oda
tranquil blade
I've been getting some stuff right in Elbaf, I predicted Loki's fruit at least
trim lily
like kizaru giving luffy the food
tranquil blade
and I predicted the holy knights getting an Imu powerup eventually
thick mango
if its not shirahoshi or neptune i will rant. Having such an obvious on the nose apparent hint be a red herring would be trash
ashen perch
Oh I guess I was also right on Xebec getting Domi'd and Imu showing up in GV but that all is also very blatantly obvious
hazy turret
yeah...oda would never do red herrings...
tranquil blade
Why are the herrings red anyways
trim lily
green herrings
ashen perch
We've gotta ask Red about that
hazy turret
Idk why (insert dubious manga reader website) isn’t working but can someone check chapter 597 for the page where rayleigh talks about haki
ashen perch
Oh I guess I was right on the Brook Gunko connection too, just based on her design
hazy turret
There was a panel where he goes to never doubt that is strength
tranquil blade
If Mosa is just like some random new character I'm not gonna be hyped
trim lily
i haven’t been satisfied with any options i’ve seen
trim lily
If Mosa is just like some random new character I'm not gonna be hyped
duality of something or other
tranquil blade
Unless Oda is good
dull zenith
I think if it was a new character we would have seen it in the Rocks flashback
idk
inb4 Rocks is alive and communicating with Loki
tranquil blade
Rocks pretending to be nice and not evil
trim lily
that’s how he actually talks
ashen perch
trim lily
he just puts on a front
tranquil blade
What's worse, saying color of the supreme king haki or saying haoshoku
ashen perch
Yeah no it's pretty obviously Shirahoshi and not some new character, Oda clearly planted all the hints for us to figure it out
dull zenith
Haoshoku feels like I'm vomitting when I try to say it
trim lily
how shooku
tranquil blade
It feels obvious but we're gonna have debates about it until Oda bothers to reveal it
ashen perch
Ha-O Shoku
trim lily
surely it’s revealed this arc
ashen perch
Is how you pronounce it
Ofc yeah
100 chapter Elbaf is only the minimum, naturally
It's likely going longer, so we'll have plenty of time
dull zenith
How do you stretch it to 100 chapters
trim lily
the heaven realm
hasty sable
trim lily
all of the people’s hopes and dreams lay in the heaven realm
hasty sable
And they will never meet
ashen perch
How do you stretch it to 100 chapters
Quite easily actually
dull zenith
the heaven realm
somethings are meant to be brief an unseen idk
hasty sable
Skypiea ending is foreshadowing whoever is supposed to be reunited at the end of the third world
dull zenith
Wano had some things that were extremely brief that probably would have deserved to be longer
trim lily
somethings are meant to be brief an unseen idk
that’s a reasonable way to take it
ashen perch
We're into this whole fighting stretch now, Oda's gonna spend a while on this alone. We'll have our flashbacks, we'll have our post arc, we'll have our Heaven Realm exploration, etc
43 more chapters is actually pretty easily doable for the arc
hasty sable
Maybe half that imo
ashen perch
You're underestimating how long these fighting stretches go if you think otherwise
tranquil blade
all of the people’s hopes and dreams lay in the heaven realm
Is there really gonna be anything there
ashen perch
Ofc yeah
hasty sable
it isn't even like Onigashima which had a lot of battles and subplots and phases to the main arc boss
tranquil blade
Before we learned much about Elbaf I thought the heaven realm would be full of like elitist older giants but we just know nothing about it
I wanted there to be an asgard...
ashen perch
Yeah and I'm not saying its going to be Onigashima (75 chapters btw)
trim lily
it has been mentioned but a single time in nearly 60 chapters across 100 years
dull zenith
You're underestimating how long these fighting stretches go if you think otherwi...
idk
I feel like with Wano you could justify it with Kaido, who was hyped up to be this unstoppable beast that would require a super long fight to go down. But with Imu we at least have the full expectation of him eventually having to leave/has a personal timer that would force him to be as quick as possible.
hasty sable
Between Zoro and Sanji fights, then Imu finale, maybe something with Gunko, I think it'll be around twenty chapters or so
ashen perch
I'm only putting this fighting stretch at around 25 chapters personally
Yeah I mean Imu has to leave soon ofc but that's not going to be reflected in the amount of chapters that are spent stalling him or losing to him by our protagonists, all the while Oda focuses on the other side plots and fights at the same time as he usually loves to
He could have to leave in 10 minutes and it's still going to be as long as it needs to be in terms of chapters, and I imagine stalling Imu's going to feel like a super long task too tbh
dull zenith
I guess I just view this arc's timer with more hurry compared to the others, and because Oda has been surprisingly brief in addressing fights quickly in this arc compared to the others
echo lake
Guys imagine Harald with the Huge Huge fruit and Domi Reversi
ashen perch
I guess I just view this arc's timer with more hurry compared to the others, and...
Qilingham really only is the big example and I mean it's pretty clear that he got offscreened because this big revival and power up was incoming for him
tranquil blade
so anyways thats why usopp isnt getting conq haki
Buggy might get it before he does tbh
trim lily
its a shame the fight with the non monster trio strawhats (and sanji) got offscreened in favour of just sanji vs killy
ashen perch
would've been a little repetitive for him to lose in 2 separate proper fights, so this is nice
ashen perch
so anyways thats why usopp isnt getting conq haki
He'll be fine
echo lake
Usopp will get domi Reversi
trim lily
he should get the power itself
ashen perch
its a shame the fight with the non monster trio strawhats (and sanji) got offscr...
Also, no actually
It's not going to be just Sanji v Killy, I'll have my faith in Jinbe even if you people betray him
hazy turret
Buggy might get it before he does tbh
dull zenith
Qilingham really only is the big example and I mean it's pretty clear that he go...
Quite frank
I guess the only other thing I can say is
"Oda probably doesn't want to reveal much of Imu's real power in this arc and would probably cut it short"
trim lily
well there is still the full zoan form to go but i feel we’ve already seen a lot of imu’s kit
ashen perch
Oh yea I do agree with that, but I think Imu's just going to have such a massive arsenal that it wouldn't really matter
I'm sure there's plenty that he wont show here simply because he physically is too weakened for it
The nerf partially exists as this reminder that he's not the guy that he can and will be on the redline in his home
iron oriole
Seems like a lot but i agree with Arsal, its gonna amount to just a drop in the bucket
hasty sable
lofty fern
well there is still the full zoan form to go but i feel we’ve already seen a *lo...
I think it "seems" like a lot, but if you really take a step back and look at it. He's only been in the series like 3 full chapters. He's done 2 named attacks, and a lot of maki armory manipulation. And that's....really it. We haven't even seen half of what we already knew he can do.
trim lily
though those few things encapsulate a lot
maki is basically just wizard powers at this point lmao
he can summon fantastical weapons, cast fireball, give stat boosts
trim lily
it doesn’t feel all that similar to haki other than in name
unless shanks is a haki sorcerer
hasty sable
it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit
lofty fern
Haki can be used on weapons too, and can be thrown at others too, so its not far off
Haven't seen it used to give others boosts, but I'm sure that's coming
hasty sable
this means Luffy will be able to buff his crew members and give them his haki
prisma yacht
Maki haki
lofty fern
Oh wait...we have seen that already with the haki knots
hasty sable
yep
lofty fern
You can give others your haki as a boost
grand flower
It didn't boost Emet
It's just the same as using Haki on an object
Joy Boy just had a way of preserving it
lofty fern
Yes, but you can let go of it and give it to someone
It's the boost of a magical object
grand flower
We've seen that with ordinary Haki, to an extent
lofty fern
Like mana in a game
grand flower
When Law cut Vergo, he dropped his bamboo and it was still coated in Haki
It didn't do anything to Emet, it was just a bomb
lofty fern
Boosts don't always have to be intrinsic, he can have a physical object that acts as a boost too
hardy stratus
maki is basically just wizard powers at this point lmao
It'a gonna be ACoC
Normal CoC gives you power to assert your dominance to people
Advanced CoC gives you power to empower your people
It's okay
I just have to rest for 3 more weeks that's all
azure ether
Where can I read the colour manga
prisma yacht
search read op colored manga online for free
ocean sigil
Chapter this week?
thick mango
Week is a social construct so it's always chapter week. Or never. Depending on your perspective
formal wagon
never 
shadow knoll
Chapter this week?
no oda is pregnant
formal wagon
congrats oda
thick mango
Oda needs to ramp up his children so we have two piece and three piece
There is a real risk two piece sucks but there is a lot of fun opportunity from a new era 30 year time skip
muted hedge
morning
surreal snow
rain cedar
X
maiden saffron
do you guys think Louis Arnote will become even more important later on?
pulsar path
I was actually self contemplating this the other day during the episode
I think we could never hear from them again lol
surreal snow
whom?
pulsar path
But also it's possible they become important or it was a Penn name
The explorer who discovered little garden and wrote a passage about elbaf
Has a section in bragmann I guess bragman has more than one writer ?
maiden saffron
A lot of his work is said to be fairytales but we know all of it to be true
pulsar path
Sounds like a usopp/ montblank situation
Is oda trying to tell us one-piece is really a place
maiden saffron
I think it's possible that he's someone who lived even before the void century, Just an adventurer who documented his findings but his work now, has been branded as fairytales potentially even through involvement by the World Government
pulsar path
Like another world!
maiden saffron
Also i've finished my reread of skypiea recently
amazing arc but I came out of it thinking that there's no way Enel doesn't know something more about the world
He was looking for shandora, he stole the gold, he was interested in the golden bell, he seemed to talk to robin about people not knowing about the things that are found in these ruins etc
pulsar path
Im for it! I would love more enel! I am about to enter into slypia but my books stop at the end of alabasta 😭 I can't read digital binges anymore it kills my eyes and brain lmao
pulsar path
He was looking for shandora, he stole the gold, he was interested in the golden ...
Something related to gold than maybe?
maiden saffron
I don't think enel is necessarily gonna be active later on, But there's definitely something up with him
pulsar path
I mean I hope he does show up at some point lol but also cus I wanna see him interact with some other blue sea dwellers
You think he had any relation to zaza
maiden saffron
He's a sky-resident without wings, infact it looks like the wings have been removed for him to put that circle through his body, he's obsessed with the idea of being god, He knows what gold is, He was interested in finding the ruins of shandora and seemed to understand the importance of the golden bell, and he's the first person we know of that travelled to the moon and uncovered the murals there.
also i lowkey hope they go to the moon now 😭
even though i dont think it'll happen
pulsar path
I always thought it would been cool if oda wrote a whole side manga on enel space exploration
Oh space piece better be real
I hope that's luffys dream as dumb as that is
balmy field
sanji conquerors soon!
maiden saffron
so true
shadow knoll
https://x.com/BUSS__77/status/2056840307262763208?s=20
who invited garp amongst these selfless individuals
if garp only had an ounce of selflessness that corazon had, he would actually be navy's hero
rain cedar
Garp slander will never die 
stone tulip
https://x.com/BUSS__77/status/2056840307262763208?s=20
Peak
stone tulip
if garp only had an ounce of selflessness that corazon had, he would actually be...
To be fair he did allow Luffy to save Ace by pretending to to lose against him, freed Dragon, and rescued Koby so he is kinda selfless, he just wants to protect the good marines ig
rain cedar
He gave himself up for koby
i feel like people are too caught up on the slander despite the fact that Garp freed dragon, Hates celestial dragon and trains the new gen
shadow knoll
To be fair he did allow Luffy to save Ace by pretending to to lose against him, ...
there are NO good marines, only living corpses who follow orders being oblivious to the truth
Just like a soldier who was sent to afghanistan by obama not knowing what he was fighting for
harsh lantern
i feel like people are too caught up on the slander despite the fact that Garp f...
He hates celestial dragons but he’s too much of a coward to do anything about it which is worse than liking them imo. People like dragon and luffy aren’t afraid to fight for what’s right
stone tulip
there are NO good marines, only living corpses who follow orders being oblivious...
So forgetting that SWORD exists then
harsh lantern
So forgetting that SWORD exists then
Then why don’t they join the rev army? It’s because even though they know how evil the wg is, they still aren’t willing to become criminals to take them down. They aren’t moral either.
hazy turret
I don’t know why people keep bringing up sword
Their whole thing is like a way to infiltrate yonko crews without the risk of war breaking out if they get caught because the marines would just recognize the resignation letters that sword sent in
Like am I missing something? Or misunderstanding it?
harsh lantern
Like am I missing something? Or misunderstanding it?
No
hazy turret
Yeah like they’re still fighting to achieve WG goals, their biggest problem is pirates
pseudo gulch
Like am I missing something? Or misunderstanding it?
No but, like literally everything else in this series, people over analyze and over complicate everything
hazy turret
The only marine that pushes and questions authority is fuji
wanton sundial
The only marine that pushes and questions authority is fuji
yup and he has a sword CHECKMATE
ionic scaffold
Mihawk upscale
rain cedar
He hates celestial dragons but he’s too much of a coward to do anything about it...
Mfs just straight up ignore everything else just to argue 😭
stone tulip
Then why don’t they join the rev army? It’s because even though they know how ev...
Because the problem isn’t just WG but also pirates like Blackbeard are also problem too and if the marines are gone then who is protecting the civilians
stone tulip
Like am I missing something? Or misunderstanding it?
This is only about “why good marines can’t just leave the organization” despite the fact that we already have an explanation for it
harsh lantern
Mfs just straight up ignore everything else just to argue 😭
I didn’t ignore everything else and I’m not arguing I’m just giving my opinion
rain cedar
He's doing his duty In a way which is actively saving people and setting up the future of the Marines
There's nothing wrong with that. Being a rebel is not always the best choice
The Revolutionary army is a thing today because Garp freed Dragon
prisma yacht
Warp
prisma yacht
The Revolutionary army is a thing today because Garp freed Dragon
Not to mention garp still has some kind of connection with dragon
rain cedar
Garp and Fujitora are as good as the Marines get
Only thing I don't like about Garp is that he's friends with Sengokus bootlicking ass but oh well
prisma yacht
Goatgoku helped cora
Sengoku is one of the reasons for building garp into who he is now
X
rain cedar
At least he's consistent
prisma yacht
He knows he is a dick
craggy vapor
Imagine if Imu domi reverses Akainu and he turns into a huge magma serpent that destroys the land
rose rune
At least he's consistent
rose rune
retired sengoku is a vibe tho
thin quest
because he realized being a boot licker sucks
rose rune
imagine akainu when he retires
prisma yacht
Wakainu redemption arc soon
final trench
I thought he would tear down the holy lands but its lookin a lil different now
rain cedar
It's not a crime if you're royalty duh
hasty sable
At least he's consistent
Funny cracker man
rain cedar
Absolute justice is applicable depending on your Societal standing 😞
sturdy steeple
At the very least it seems like Sengoku is coming to regret his decisions.
But that line he dropped not that long ago…
“Civilians turning on the people that swore to protect them? Insane!”
Hahahah… Ok.
hasty sable
What a crazy line
Considering the stuff he has ordered lol
The cognitive dissonance
final trench
Brave take
sturdy steeple
Bootlicking is one stuff but he was actively hunting down pregnant women and murdering them lol
That’s one thing about him that I think isn’t consistent. That line just ruins it all.
He knows what he’s done and he doesn’t feel at ease. Or shouldn’t at least.
hasty sable
Nah, I think it’s very consistent with the kind of person he’s written to be
rain cedar
It's kinda funny how irrelevant Tsuru is compared to Garp and Sengoku
hasty sable
Hawks like Sengoku always justify to themselves that it’s for stability
It’s not like he goes around kicking puppies. He’s detached from his crimes in a way.
queen knot
きょうは、ショッピング とばんごはんた。
small ember
Yeah he does order it but there’s def a level of physical distance he has from it
sturdy steeple
Hawks like Sengoku always justify to themselves that it’s for stability
That’s true but I think that’s more about his younger self.
Personally, I think Sengoku and Kuzan are very alike. One just stayed till the end and now feels like his whole life is full of shit.
small ember
Oda is trying to actively mellow him out. I hope we do get more of him reflecting specifically on what he’s done
sturdy steeple
This is why he’s very reluctant to let WG get away with stuff like keeping quiet on Impel Down incident.
The older you get the less you give a shit.
hasty sable
He gets to mellow out because he retired not because his values have changed imo. The heavy decisions just don’t fall on him anymore so he gets to be a goofy old man.
digital spear
Bootlicking is one stuff but he was actively hunting down pregnant women and mur...
I still dont know if he was the one doing that
small ember
We’ll get a Tsuru moment, someday
hasty sable
You don’t even need the Roger example. He ordered Ohara.
I don’t think he regrets Ohara
small ember
He gets to mellow out because he retired not because his values have changed imo...
This is true. But I wonder if that time of not having to do any of the dirty stuff anymore makes him think on it
Maybe he does? Maybe he doesn’t?
digital spear
But he was the one at helm
Thats what I mean, do we know that
I feel like he was talking about the marines as a whole
vale heath
wtf is happening in memes
digital spear
the steering wheel, like was he the leading one in that operation
digital spear
kong was the fleet admiral during that time no
Yes
prisma yacht
so I don't think sengoku can be blamed for that alone
sturdy steeple
Sengoku was the admiral
small ember
wtf is happening in memes
Happened in games but dude was banned
prisma yacht
so I don't think sengoku can be blamed for that alone
maybe garp and sengoku both did what they could to minimise it
sturdy steeple
Obviously not, we can blame several people 
small ember
That’s why I wanna see a little bit of Sengoku looking back on it
sturdy steeple
I wouldn’t say that. We have a clear picture on what Sengoku and Garp were doing.
digital spear
Obviously not, we can blame several people <:LUL:321931602655707136>
Yeah but it only gets brought up in the context of Sengoku, I guess because we dont know who the other 2 admirals were and we dunno much about Kong.
sturdy steeple
And his character stays consistent throughout the flashbacks lol
ashen perch
He definitely wasn't at the helm for it, that was Fleet Admiral Kong but the Ohara example is bad enough as is anyways
He was actually said to be the admiral in charge of it so thats very straightforward
sturdy steeple
I have a headcanon that Sengoku’s bootlicking character started showing cracks after Rosinante’s death.
small ember
Def possible
digital spear
He was actually said to be the admiral in charge of it so thats very straightfor...
Oh this is what I was wondering about
sturdy steeple
But every time we see a younger Sengoku he’s just not showing any kind of remorse.
digital spear
If that was actually said then yeah
small ember
Fuji, tashigi/smoker, and sword split after the WG says “Lol whatever BB you can kill Garp he’s old”. Other marines go along with them. Or it’s over the nature of justicr
Hardliners remain
Akainu I also see leaving but solely bc he’s big mad
digital spear
But every time we see a younger Sengoku he’s just not showing any kind of remors...
So far it seems to me like Sengokus character switched when Shanks entered Marineford lol
ashen perch
I agree actually, but the moment he fully snapped was post Marineford after how the WG wanted to handle the Impel Down incident. He resigned after it and has ever since not quite been the person he used to be, I think he does regret his past now and that's going to be addressed with him at some point
prisma yacht
the ohara is like one of those incidents which sengoku talks about with garp in the gv fb
sturdy steeple
So far it seems to me like Sengokus character switched when Shanks entered Marin...
I don’t think he just switched on a fly. That Sengoku is already an exhausted old man being his facade lol
prisma yacht
the ohara is like one of those incidents which sengoku talks about with garp in ...
if the top brass seems to be doing something insane I'll turn a blind eye or something
digital spear
I don’t think he just switched on a fly. That Sengoku is already an exhausted ol...
I know, it just looks like that which is funny. The Impel Down moment is right after that
final trench
Fuji, tashigi/smoker, and sword split after the WG says “Lol whatever BB you can...
I think the gorosei/ hk will kill garp
ashen perch
Yeah, this isn't sudden for sure, I imagine its been bubbling up within him
prisma yacht
he realised he cldnt make much difference while being in the wg after marineford so that's a given
small ember
Yeah the wheels have seen to be turning for him
prisma yacht
I think the gorosei/ hk will kill garp
I don't think garp's gonna die before the wg falls down
sturdy steeple
I already brought it up but imo Kuzan is a literal reflection of Sengoku in the past
small ember
I think the gorosei/ hk will kill garp
I could see that. Since he’s insubordinate or smth
sturdy steeple
The difference is that one did not become a fleet admiral lol
balmy field
I think the gorosei/ hk will kill garp
it might start the great pirate war III
prisma yacht
I don't think garp's gonna die before the wg falls down
and a new well structured nom corrupt navy stands up
non
damn I love noming
ashen perch
But this was the moment where he just had enough of the WG. He thought he would be in some level of control as the Fleet Admiral but he's ultimately still powerless and his life's work of climbing the ladder has been utterly pointless
sturdy steeple
Good point
final trench
it might start the great pirate war III
Exactly
prisma yacht
it might start the great pirate war III
ashen perch
I really loved his interaction with Law on Corazon
final trench
Also Saturn is concerned about BB’s moves, if they kill garp and blame it on him then all the marines will gun for him
ashen perch
I hope we get a lot more from Sengoku, he's a fascinating character to me. Garp kind of had his moment of spotlight so hopefully Sengoku can get to have it at some point too
prisma yacht
we need more sengoku garp dynamic
final trench
Sengoku can mentor law 🤷🏾♂️
sturdy steeple
For sure! Just don’t let Tsuru get more than one panel
final trench
Maybe he finds him and bepo and trains them
Is she the one with the washing machine fruit or im thinking of someone else
fallen meteor
Is she the one with the washing machine fruit or im thinking of someone else
One of the most insane dfs ever
ashen perch
For sure! Just don’t let Tsuru get more than one panel
naaah
she'll get her spotlight too I am sure
prisma yacht
doffy's past
final trench
One of the most insane dfs ever
For a woman too is crazy
fallen meteor
For a woman too is crazy
Oh yeah oda is going to hell for that
final trench
Iirc tho tsuru is akainus mentor/ superior so we gotta wait till that akainu flashback
rain cedar
Oda fumbled a lot with the Marines, man
sturdy steeple
Iirc tho tsuru is akainus mentor/ superior so we gotta wait till that akainu fla...
Don’t think that’s been ever mentioned
ashen perch
Oh yeah oda is going to hell for that
tbh I dont think he actually meant anything by it
rain cedar
It was probably one of his gags that came out offensive
Either way, its just a dumb as fuck thing to do. Just give her a better DF
ashen perch
She's washing the evil dark hearts of pirates with her ability, its pretty cool
final trench
Don’t think that’s been ever mentioned
I kinda assumed so since he was walking with her in the ohara fb
ashen perch
it really is super dangerous against pirates, people underrate it
I bet Doflamingo's been hung quite a few times, thats why he's so terrified of Tsuru
he didnt like feeling ''less evil'' lol
ashen perch
I am sure its temporary like DF powers usually are
but still, for a bit yeah
its basically a heart purification ritual, it spiritually cleanses them for a bit and turns them into better people
dark nymph
the DR counter
prisma yacht
Wsopp
ancient dune
Sanji fan girls been real quiet since that dropped
ashen perch
He's just teasing Sanji's female fans lol, and this is really old as well
final trench
The humble charismatic chad
urban lodge
Oda recommending the guy who will canonically leave his wife behind
hasty sable
Late night visits from Zoro
final trench
“Yea thats my crewmate wym”
grand flower
She's washing the evil dark hearts of pirates with her ability, its pretty cool
And Akainu is still the way he is. Brazy
final trench
grand flower
😨
ashen perch
He's just teasing Sanji's female fans lol, and this is really old as well
I remember when that statement was reposted after this panel dropped lol
final trench
Top 3 worst one piece nightmares
ashen perch
as if Oda couldnt make it any clearer that he was JOKING
urban lodge
https://tenor.com/view/sergio1734-necogang-neco-arc-death-threats-tsukihime-gif-...
To Oda right?
hasty sable
I believe in Oda
prisma yacht
As if oda's ever gonna do that.
hasty sable
It’s funnier this way
ashen perch
yeah thats a more recent, seriously written line by Oda so I believe in him too
urban lodge
You cannot erase that SBS
dark nymph
Oda recommending the guy who will canonically leave his wife behind
If Usopp views this positively then he might do it himself
prisma yacht
he won't
hasty sable
Sanji loves all the ladies too much. He never gonna be a wife man unfortunately.
ashen perch
I mean the SBS are jokes lmao, you dont have to erase it, its just a joke
ashen perch
If you ever take an SBS seriously I think you're very likely to loss in chess to a dog
prisma yacht
tummy punching yasopp soon
ashen perch
The good future ones are just for fun too, nothing to be taken seriously
Luffy might not even have 20 years, and there are people using it as proof of what he's gonna look like
prisma yacht
hasty sable
Wussop
dark nymph
craggy vapor
the guy circled in green looks like Dragon, doesn’t he?
prisma yacht
Nah he still loves his father
usopp can punch his father while still loving him
final trench
True, but i dont think its ending up like that
I believe yasopp had a legitimate reason
Because he turned shanks down at first
prisma yacht
ofc
wanton sundial
herm
hasty sable
Hopefully Oda doesn’t skip the Yasopp lore again like he did in post-Enies Lobby
wanton sundial
Hopefully Oda doesn’t skip the Yasopp lore again like he did in post-Enies Lobby
oda skipping yasopp like yasopp skipping fatherhood
ashen perch
Tbh that wasn't a very important scene really
I'd even say Its better that no one recognizes Usopp's connection with Yasopp
final trench
#soon
ashen perch
So its cool that Oda decided against having Garp talk about it
final trench
Yasopp seen his new bounty
ashen perch
Speaking of bounties
prisma yacht
I believe yasopp had a legitimate reason
it won't matter tho cause in the end usopp had to go thru all his vulnerable days all alone and having no one
he can still be proud of him while making sure yasopp knows what he had to go thru
craggy vapor
when Usopp realizes that his father is a bum, that’s when he truly awakens into a brave warrior of the sea because he doesn’t want to be a bum like his dad
ashen perch
I still feel like Oda might be hiding the new bounties from us, it doesn't really make sense for there to be no update after Egghead
I'm thinking we're gonna see a pretty massive combined jump after Elbaf
final trench
it won't matter tho cause in the end usopp had to go thru all his vulnerable day...
Naturally
grand flower
Nah he still loves his father
Oda shouldn’t write it any other way
Usopp being mad at Yasopp for being a pirate would be such a disappointing backpedal to entertain a very lame perspective
final trench
Theres gonna be tension forsure but its not gonna be “FUCK YOU DAD IMMA KILL YOU” its gonna be usopp saying he’ll be better than yasopp
wanton sundial
I'm thinking we're gonna see a pretty massive combined jump after Elbaf
chopper's going to make it to the big leagues with a whopping 1.5 billion just watch
grand flower
when Usopp realizes that his father is a bum, that’s when he truly awakens into ...
Like who the hell is gonna find this entertaining 💀
prisma yacht
Theres gonna be tension forsure but its not gonna be “FUCK YOU DAD IMMA KILL YOU...
lol yeah
grand flower
Theres gonna be tension forsure but its not gonna be “FUCK YOU DAD IMMA KILL YOU...
I’d rather it be a pirate conflict with the Red Hairs in general tbh
wanton sundial
I’d rather it be a pirate conflict with the Red Hairs in general tbh
"the red hairs took my dad away from me!"
prisma yacht
son
grand flower
Antagonist Shanks type shit
final trench
I’d rather it be a pirate conflict with the Red Hairs in general tbh
Aye man
Thats what elbaf is for
prisma yacht
craggy vapor
I'm thinking we're gonna see a pretty massive combined jump after Elbaf
no it’s pointless. If Imu can’t catch the straw hats dead or alive, who can? At some point higher bounties don’t equal higher chances of catching straw hats.
final trench
Sonion its too early
wanton sundial
no it’s pointless. If Imu can’t catch the straw hats dead or alive, who can? At ...
johnny and yasopp are here to solve the case!
final trench
But yea, i dont think Yasopp realizes bachina is dead, and thats whats gonna set usopp off
wanton sundial
this is the foreshadowing of one piece bounty hunters we weren't prepared for
prisma yacht
But yea, i dont think Yasopp realizes bachina is dead, and thats whats gonna set...
glueglueglue
wanton sundial
the yeti cool brothers, all of the major leagues will start hunting the straw hats down
prisma yacht
Anyways no way usopp is leaving kaya
wanton sundial
But yea, i dont think Yasopp realizes bachina is dead, and thats whats gonna set...
"she was okay last time i saw her!" "you were at her funeral!" "damn?"
craggy vapor
The only way for Usopp to surpass his father is to beat him in a sniper duel
which means they are destined to fight each other
which means there will be heat between them at some point
which means Usopp isn’t dying on Elbaf
hasty sable
Usopp called God a coward. How much more do you need to be a brave warrior of the sea.
final trench
I mean, even at the end of elbaf i dont think he winning
But the SHs will have to “fight” the red hairs
craggy vapor
Usopp called God a coward. How much more do you need to be a brave warrior of th...
Imu isn’t God.
final trench
I can see the RHP going 50% on them
hasty sable
Imu isn’t God.
Cipher Pol, this one over here
final trench
ASSUMING elbaf is shanks territory, after the whole shabang the red hairs pull up to see luffys flag under elbaf now
And thats where things get heated
prisma yacht
poop
hasty sable
Shanks will probably not be returning to Elbaf imo
He would probably see that and just be thankful Luffy protected his friends
ashen perch
Usopp being mad at Yasopp for being a pirate would be such a disappointing backp...
The way I see it personally, I think its a complex relationship and its difficult to really know for sure how its meant to play out, I don't agree with either of the perspectives on this.
I think Yasopp is deeply ashamed of himself, and his hesitation to meet Usopp tells me that he's aware of what happened to Banchina and doesn't know how he's going to face Usopp after it. That tells me where we're leading with this.
Usopp on the other hand, I think he's proud of his father for being a brave and famous warrior of the sea but at the same time, Banchina's death hurt him very deeply, traumatized him and he desperately desired to see his father again all his life. The pirate he wanted to come the most when he said ''Pirates Are Coming!'' was his father and he never did. I think there's definitely some hurt there that is going to be addressed, its not going to be a joyful happy reunion with hugs and tears and its also not going to be Usopp punching Yasopp in the face and being like ''YOURE A BUM, FUCK YOU''. It'll be somewhere in the middle.
final trench
Well said
Idk if he knows about bachinas death tho i think he believes usopp will assume he’s a bum because he left, whole time usopp has been wanting to be like him
grand flower
I'd hate if it there's animosity on Usopp's side
final trench
But at the end its gonna be usopp saying he’ll be better than yasopp and then yasopp smiles with approval
grand flower
Yasopp being apprehensive and ashamed, sure
At this point though, Oda has already sold the idea that this is a world filled with men drawn to the dangerous and ever expansive sea
And that there are people who love men like that because they're that type of man
That's a part of the whimsy you adopt going into OP if you're reading it properly imo and I'd really hate to have something so romantic renegged
Usopp having animosity to Yasopp because he wasn't there just feels like bad lampshading
to me at least, it feels like an idea that stems from fans who haven't been able to grasp that you gotta get on board with some silly concepts that's just how this world works
to me it'd just feel like a betrayal of a part of OP's spirit to appease fans who just never got it
i'd rather oda leave them to continue failing to get it
it's like the way some people in OP will act out their ideals of how things should go, even if it kills them
instead of doing the "optimal" thing
like kaido choosing to barely dodge and to face attacks to test them
you could nitpick that shit all day, but like harrison ford told mark hamill
"it ain't that kind of movie, kid"
Like i said earlier, it'd be way more interesting if any animosity from usopp's side is more so related to the Red Hairs in general
like that idea of luffy being resistent to something shanks wants him to do
i'd rather it be a "oh naw yall operate like THIS?"
MAYBE
It can work if Usopp learns something about Yasopp and the Red Hairs that makes him realize Yasopp isn't the type of pirate Usopp thinks he is
ashen perch
I dunno, people are complex and Usopp can admire the great pirate, dreamer and adventurer that Yasopp is and want to be like him, and on a personal level still want him to have been there with him when he was younger or when his mother was sick. At no point does Usopp actually accept Yasopp not being with him, Merry says that his deepest desire was being masked by him lying every day about ''pirates showing up''. He wanted nothing more than for Yasopp to actually be there.
grand flower
But it absolutely 1000% should not be "actually usopp was coping and telling half-truths and Yasopp being a pirate in general when Banchina died actually makes Usopp angry"
fallen meteor
I feel he can want to be like his dad and still hate that his dad wasnt there for him
grand flower
Yeah on paper that concept is fine
just don't do that for one piece because you've already had an emotionally resonant moment establishing one of the core whimsies/romanticisms of the story
you played that completely straight and earnest, you have to commit to that
you can't have usopp be mad at yasopp solely for the sheer concept of "mom died and you were off being a pirate"
usopp has already shown us he's not affected that way and oda did so to establish something core to the series
Oda sold us on that idea that "in this world, there's men like yasopp and that's okay because that's a virtue in this time and place"
don't turn around 20 some years later and go "that was a lie"
hardy stratus
I dunno, people are complex and Usopp can admire the great pirate, dreamer and a...
Don't tell people are complex to OP fans
ashen perch
Also I think Yasopp's apprehension comes from him naturally coming to the conclusion that there's no way his kid is gonna happily reunite with him, so Oda's already establishing that there's some tension there, some hurt there that that will need to be addressed. I dont think this is a case of '''well One Piece isnt gonna do that'' when Oda's setting these things up
grand flower
I don't think it's gonna play out as "mom died and you were off being a pirate so i'm mad"
it's gonna be related to the conflicts created from the bartolomeo situation, and Luffy being Joy Boy
it's also fine for yasopp to think that
it just can't happen because we already have usopp declaring he's glad his dad was away being a pirate in a moment of transparency from usopp
that's another reason i'd hate this renegging
dark nymph
we already got this in Film Red folks 
grand flower
it wasn't like usopp was calm and collected, he said it as an emotional outburst
so it should be his genuine deep down feelings
ashen perch
usopp has already shown us he's not affected that way and oda did so to establis...
Usopp is actually deeply affected by it, he's only masking his desire by lying, that is word for word said by Merry
grand flower
ofc usopp has deep feelings about it
those deep feelings shouldn't secretly be anger or ire toward yasopp
the moment he declares his pride in yasopp was genuine
revealing it wasn't wouldn't even be usopp lying, it'd just be Oda lying
and not in a satisfying way
OP is about romanticism, i don't want to see a maury deadbeat father episode when yasopp and usopp reunite
ashen perch
but as I said, its not lying for there to be layers to Usopp's feelings about Yasopp
grand flower
keep that same romantic idea you had when toki told oden she'd divorce him because she fell in love with him because he's the kind of man who'd face the sea
grand flower
but as I said, its not lying for there to be layers to Usopp's feelings about Ya...
it definitely would be when you have a scene of usopp becoming emotionally charged and speaking from the heart
that's the main problem
prisma yacht
I mean
grand flower
usopp has already lost his composure and spoken what he feels in his heart, and it wasn't that
it wasn't usopp being careful or calcuated or refined
ashen perch
Nobody's going to have a single minded view of a person, Usopp's stuck in between two minds imo. One respects the mythical, legendary Yasopp and the other is hurt by the father that he couldnt be
grand flower
he spilled his guts and that wasn't there, don't tell me it was there this whole time
prisma yacht
We know yasopp cares about usopp , it was all yasopp shared with Luffy
grand flower
Nobody's going to have a single minded view of a person, Usopp's stuck in betwee...
that sounds ass as fuck
cause that wasn't there when usopp spilled his guts
that feels hella tacked on and not at all like what oda has been establishing with them
i'd truly hate it if we learn oh ya this whole time usopp has been bitter about that
just let it be a longing to see his dad again
ashen perch
What do you think Oda was establishing with that whole flashback and Merry's analysis of his mental state at the end of Syrup Village?
grand flower
it doesn't have to have animosity and bitterness attached to it
grand flower
What do you think Oda was establishing with that whole flashback and Merry's ana...
just have it be longing
ashen perch
What do you think Oda meant by showing that Usopp is a deeply mentally hurt kid
grand flower
i'm not gonna take that scene in isolation
i'm going to use the fact that usopp spilled his guts about yasopp as context to tell me that his deep feelings aren't ire toward Yasopp
it's just a kid longing to see his dad again
ashen perch
Its not a scene in isolation, its the culmination of all that we had seen from Usopp throughout the arc. Its the big climax
grand flower
right
i don't want to throw away that usopp has said he loves his father because he's the kind of man who sails as a pirate instead of being a civilian
sturdy steeple
I remember when that statement was reposted after this panel dropped lol
I feel like Sanji not cheating is a thing for granted after we’ve just met Gaban.
grand flower
and i don't want oda to throw that away either
sturdy steeple
He was also a ladies man and look what happened
dense haven
I hate that spoilers section is above manga @ashen perch change the order
I almost clicked spoilers instead of manga a few times
honest garden
No we need to trap the spoiler chuds
ashen perch
i don't want to throw away that usopp has said he loves his father because he's ...
What he has shared with Luffy about his respect for the legendary Yasopp or him not wanting Kuro to slander his name and the mentally hurt kid that Merry describes do not contradict each other in the portrayal of Usopp's feelings on his father and I dont get why you're insisting that it does. Its not a simple lovey dovey relationship, thats all I am saying
There's love and respect, and there's hurt on a personal level. I think thats going to be addressed
iron oriole
I hate that spoilers section is above manga <@393700846707146754> change the ord...
Remove the channel from your list ezpz
ashen perch
yeah you can just hide it lol
dense haven
but then I have to unhide when chaptet drops
iron oriole
All you need
fallen meteor
Oda can write a character with contradicting feelings on something
ashen perch
oh for sure yeah, what I meant is that its not a contradictory portrayal of Usopp's feelings on Yasopp
not that he cannot have feelings that clash with each other
prisma yacht
So glue
hardy stratus
All you need
Wrong.
Only #western-series, #other-series and #sports matter
dense haven
cringe
iron oriole
Wrong.
Only <#513312224048185345>, <#206841928019476491> and <#51331345208154525...
Definitely not
prisma yacht
Bro sliding in sports
ashen perch
I dont think theres going to be any punching
warm sierra
One skull grass bomb to the face maybe
prisma yacht
Spice hating means I'm right
hardy stratus
Definitely not
Definitely yes
bold sonnet
Spice hating means I'm right
prisma yacht
grand flower
What he has shared with Luffy about his respect for the legendary Yasopp or him ...
i don't think that it's inherently contradictory, i think it's contradictory to what oda did during that scene. cause it's not just about usopp and yasopp, that scene paints a picture to the nature of this world. it's a moment of Oda defining the essence of a pirate and this pirating world to his audience(remember syrup village is part of the east blue, the entire story's "prologue" phase)
i think it's just even worse since we had a scene of usopp just letting his raw emotions spill out and that just wasn't part of it. Usopp laid himself bare, and that wasn't there, so just double the reason not to do it now
it just feels like a betrayal to a moment in the story where oda sat us down and said "get on board for this," and we said "okay bet"
he did it again with toki and oden
to have the character that acted as a vehicle for that romanticism reveal that they actually had a cynical outlook as well just feels like the story backpedaling on its commitment to romanticism
it just feels to me like oda asked me to fuck with him, and then it turns out he didn't even have faith in what he was asking me to fuck with
it lowkey feels like a huge waste of my time the more i talk about it
you got me to buy into this romantic ass world and then you wanna drop realistic deadbeat father drama on me? hell naw
i don't want oda to let the "erm akshually this would deeply traumatize a young boy" crowd have any leeway
Oda doing a "actually usopp is deeply hurt by this" just feels insulting
because what does that say for the audience that bought into the romanticism lol
oda might as well call us foolish
that just feels like it'd lowkey be a confession of having no real belief or heart in the spirit you cultivated for your story and i can't fuck with that
oda decided he was gonna tell a story about a world where this is just not a bad thing
he needs to commit to that
its simply too close to the essence of the world, the spirit of the story
dense haven
yea it didn't affect usopp at all
ashen perch
But its in the climax of the same arc that Oda makes sure to let you know that Usopp is masking his truth with his lies, that isnt backpedaling in any way whatsoever. He can defend his father from slander in front of Kuro and still be hurt about it on a personal level, like Merry straight up says he is. He'd be making a fool out of me if eventually, this reunion doesnt even address that hurt that Merry talks about, the hurt that all the villagers recognized, the hurt that he was trying to cope about.
Also, Oden was actually called out man, he's called scum even if its played off for laughs. I dont think thats a good example.
grand flower
yea it didn't affect usopp at all
that's not what i said, you illiterate glob
i said these deep feelings should just be a longing to see his father again
and not a secret animosity
obviously usopp is gonna be sad he doesn't have his parents
oda just shouldn't do an "actually usopp has harbored resentment/anger/ire toward yasopp because of it" angle
it'd just be a backpedal
dense haven
ya because romaticizing that is much better
grand flower
But its in the climax of the same arc that Oda makes sure to let you know that U...
the fact that usopp is a liar just makes that moment more impactful
because it's his genuine emotions laid bare
grand flower
ya because romaticizing that is much better
ey bro idk what to tell you
that's a moment where the series says "here's what we're about it, are you on board or not"
going "i'm not but i'm gonna continue with you" is the kind of stupid thing you'd do tho
iron oriole
Its certainly not gonna be all rainbows & sunshine when Usopp & Yasopp meet
ashen perch
again, it would only be a backpedal if it contradicted what was clearly established. This doesn't mean that Usopp has strong hatred for his father, it just means that he has a complex relationship with him
grand flower
that's exactly what i assert would be happening tbh
contradicting what's already established
dense haven
people are gonna be disappointed the same way after dragon and garp talked
grand flower
usopp spilled his guts and that wasn't there, that alone has me side eyeing this idea
dense haven
arsal especially
ashen perch
Dragon and Garp's little interaction was perfect though?
grand flower
spice is baiting
ashen perch
Everything it needed to be
prisma yacht
Dragon and garp convo was perfect yes
grand flower
he's fishing for dispute with that one, idk why
cold steppe
Kay
ashen perch
I think what Yasopp and Usopp's reunion doesnt need to be is hugs and kisses and rainbows and sunshine
grand flower
I think what Yasopp and Usopp's reunion doesnt need to be is hugs and kisses and...
it'd be better if that was because of some pirate shit tbh
ashen perch
that'd be pretty absurd after Usopp is established to have a deep seated trauma because of what the man did
prisma yacht
It can be hugs tho 
grand flower
let them have a dispute as rival pirates
iron oriole
grand flower
not a maury episode
ashen perch
I mean they are going to reconcile and become rivals naturally
wraith mantle
Yassop will probably regret not being there to care for bachina when she was ill
ashen perch
there will be hugs and kisses and rainbows and sunshine eventually, just not immediately
grand flower
Yassop will probably regret not being there to care for bachina when she was ill
WCI lowkey gave us a lot of context to use
the same way big mom would target the loved ones of people who wronged her
the red hairs are bound to have tons of enemies who'd go attack syrup village if word ever got out yasopp had family there
i've always figured oda will use that excuse, alongside some "yasopp had to go with shanks for some grand responsbiliity" thing
and we know it's possible to follow the Red Hairs' movements
ashen perch
I mean its reasonable with Dragon and he's still looking out for his beloved baby boy actually
iron oriole
I mean its reasonable with Dragon and he's still looking out for his beloved bab...
Oh i dont disagree, it works with Dragon, i just don't like the idea of using that reasoning for Usopp & Yasopp too
ashen perch
he went out there to see him off at Loguetown, and Yasopp couldnt go for his sickly mother? yeah its an incomparable situation
final trench
ashen perch
Oh i dont disagree, it works with Dragon, i just don't like the idea of using th...
oh yeah I agree
I think its great with Dragon even, its just not gonna fly with Yasopp
grand flower
ofc it's gonna fly with yasopp
dragon went to see luffy one time at a place luffy was leaving
yeah they went to goa, but that scene also displays exactly the risk of that
kuma saw dragon watching luffy
thick maple
@grand flower sometimes I feel like my intelligence has exceeded the human limits
grand flower
yasopp touching base with usopp who's in just one place is a way bigger risk than dragon going to see luffy who's about to leave some place
hasty sable
Dragon is actually a good father
grand flower
<@1248961351376699470> sometimes I feel like my intelligence has exceeded the hu...
that's how you gotta feel
ashen perch
If Dragon can be keeping track of his son at all times and even go to secretly see him, theres no excuse for Yasopp
grand flower
If Dragon can be keeping track of his son at all times and even go to secretly s...
dragon keeps track of luffy by news and the happenstance of people meetin luffy then talking to him
dense haven
he went out there to see him off at Loguetown, and Yasopp couldnt go for his sic...
shanks goes visiting foosha village all the time too
grand flower
not by going to see him
ashen perch
Its absurd becuase I am pretty sure Banchina dies in the exact same year he's chilling at Fusha
grand flower
yasopp visiting syrup to see luffy is a risk lol
to see usopp*
because usopp LIVES there
obvious why there's less risk with dragon seeing luffy sail off at loguetown
latent hamlet
My co workers are talking about anime now and brought up one piece 
grand flower
"dragon was spotted with straw hat luffy in loguetown"
wtf you gonna do with that now that luffy is in jaya or alabasta or drum
ashen perch
Luffy also lives in the wider Dawn Island that Dragon did visit
Dragon literally saved Luffy's life at Loguetown
ashen perch
dude
grand flower
yeah and again, dragon interacting with luffy at loguetown is less risk because luffy is leaving
ashen perch
He was the most suspicious man ever at Loguetown lol
grand flower
that info getting out is useless compared to yasopp and usopp with usopp in a stationary, fixed location
grand flower
He was the most suspicious man ever at Loguetown lol
and luffy LEFT
ashen perch
to capture him elsewhere?
iron oriole
If Yasopp was really that worried, just fly Shanks flag at Syrup village, 99% of Pirates know otherwise than to fuck with Yonko protected islands
grand flower
to capture him elsewhere?
that worked out very poorly for the elders
grand flower
If Yasopp was really that worried, just fly Shanks flag at Syrup village, 99% of...
yeah but then they leave
and go back to the new world
ashen perch
I mean they didnt care and when they did, he couldnt be captured
iron oriole
Nobody would attack it
grand flower
wait a week, then destroy the place entirely
iron oriole
Theres not loads of Bartos running around willing to fuck with Yonko territory
grand flower
Nobody would attack it
i don't think it's hard to imagine that yasopp wouldn't take the risk
ashen perch
Usopp actually wanted Yasopp to take them away from Syrup Village and to sail alongside his father and mother
iron oriole
And even now Yasopp still actively wants to NOT meet his son
grand flower
Theres not loads of Bartos running around willing to fuck with Yonko territory
there doesn't need to be loads
ashen perch
that actually works even better, but I am sure just declaring it as territory would've been effective too
grand flower
there just needs to be any enemies at all who'd be willing to destroy a hometown of the Red Hairs
hasty sable
Theres not loads of Bartos running around willing to fuck with Yonko territory
Aren’t there literally loads of them? They just get killed or assimilated lol.
grand flower
that actually works even better, but I am sure just declaring it as territory wo...
not to every single person
iron oriole
there doesn't need to be loads
The odds of someone threatening it is very slim
grand flower
The odds of someone threatening it is very slim
but not zero
hasty sable
Kaido’s crew is made up of a bunch of Bartos
iron oriole
but not zero
Close enough
grand flower
Close enough
that's up to yasopp
ashen perch
Nobody's fucking with emperor territory in the East Blue of all places
grand flower
Nobody's fucking with emperor territory in the East Blue of all places
the yonko saga is literally all about how "nobody is XYZ" is a fool's mentality
hasty sable
I do not think emperor territory would hold in the blues
hasty sable
In the New World sure
grand flower
"nobody would deny a wedding request from big mom"
look how that turned out
"nobody can beat katakuri"
"nobody would..." is famous last words in OP
ashen perch
Its less likely to hold in New World because its all pirates trying to make a name for themselves by challenging the emperors that rule over it
grand flower
"nobody would break INTO impel down"
iron oriole
Sharon what do you say about Yasopp still actively wanting to avoid & not meet Usopp
hasty sable
More likely in the new world be Star that’s the yonko’s backyard. Mess with their stuff you get a swift response
final trench
Nobody would try and eat 2 devil fruits 😏
hasty sable
They are far from East Blue though
grand flower
Sharon what do you say about Yasopp still actively wanting to avoid & not meet U...
i think he's just nervous
ashen perch
but I am sure Usopp's idea would have worked out better anyways, just Yasopp taking them away from East Blue to sail alongside him
grand flower
Nobody would try and eat 2 devil fruits 😏
nobody would attack one of Whitebeard's commanders and turn him into the WG
final trench
Nobody can beat kaido 🤭
grand flower
i just don't think it's a stretch of the imagination that yasopp was concerned that an enemy could find out about defenseless, weak syrup in the middle of nowhere and take advantage if he wasn't careful
ashen perch
but I am sure Usopp's idea would have worked out better anyways, just Yasopp tak...
I am sure theres some New World territory out there that Yasopp could've used to atleast keep them close by, but Yasopp was just not interested in that
dense haven
the speed of their response isn't important, its about deterrence
grand flower
Dragon checked in on Luffy twice, and both times people caught onto it
so even if he wasn't able to just slip by
ashen perch
nobody saw him at Goa
grand flower
Kuma did
Kuma noticed he went off by himself to watch Luffy
And then there's the confrontation with Smoker
ashen perch
oh yeah ofc, but he's chill
iron oriole
I am sure theres some New World territory out there that Yasopp could've used to...
Shit... keep them at Elbaf if you really wanted, its probably the "home base" of Shanks crew even though he doesn't exactly claim it as territory
grand flower
oh yeah ofc, but he's chill
yeah but that's the problem
it was a chill guy THIS time
it's not always gonna be a chill guy
ashen perch
well yeah, but that just shows how much Dragon actually cares
grand flower
yasopp is a worry wart about how meeting usopp is gonna go
def not out of the question he was worried that visiting usopp could be ammo for an enemy
ashen perch
He's faaaaaaaaaar more significant as a threat in the World and he still cares so much that he's willing to take the risks for his beloved baby boy's sake
this is why he's showing up in Elbaf too
thats actually an admirable father, despite being in the most difficult position that anyone could possibly be
final trench
well yeah, but that just shows how much Dragon actually cares
Everyone doesnt have a loving father
So its hard to learn
final trench
Who
urban lodge
Everyone knows burn scar is Bluejam
prisma yacht
And it's just shanks
ashen perch
I'm really leaning towards Davy Jones at this point
prisma yacht
gasp
grand flower
He's faaaaaaaaaar more significant as a threat in the World and he still cares s...
I just can’t help but think that dragon being noticed goes to show the risk
royal orchid
grand flower
It’s fortunate who noticed was an ally, but it’s just fortune
royal orchid
good morning opcord
prisma yacht
Lmfao
grand flower
I’m low-key glad dragons revolutionary background hasnt involved Akainu so far
ashen perch
It will
rose rune
wait... does this mean that dragon has more testosterone?
grand flower
I do really like the idea that conflict between Akainu and dragon is purely principle and not a personal beef tbh
pulsar path
People do realize that Luffy has the same hair line he just wear his hair in the front and not slicked back!
grand flower
I think it suits both of them to be ideological enemies more than personal ones
prisma yacht
People do realize that Luffy has the same hair line he just wear his hair in the...
Nooo
This can't be
💔😔
ashen perch
I mean the idea is still the same, the beef just goes back back
pulsar path
This can't be
Actually it's not as bad at all lol but it's getting. There
royal orchid
can't wait
grand flower
I mean the idea is still the same, the beef just goes back back
I can fuck with that
I mean moreso that it’s not a “you were my friend!” atory