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[hot cairn]

https://x.com/CourtneyEmmet/status/2055733266909388869?s=20

emmet (@CourtneyEmmet)

Dressrosa

X · May 16, 2026, 7:32 PM

[dense haven]

yall hyped for chapter?

[hasty sable]

Choptir

[prisma yacht]

@grand flower

[bold sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/ohnepixel-gold-gold-gold-gold-cs2-cs2-cases-gif-10056763089801407532

That's pretty fire

[grand flower]

This is too tuff

[prisma yacht]

They look like beasts

[grand flower]

Justice is ours

[prisma yacht]

[bold sonnet]

BTW Ronaldo lost another final 💀

[prisma yacht]

Penaldo💀

[dense haven]

this is why messi is the goat

[bold sonnet]

He could also lose the Saudi league

[prisma yacht]

Pessi💀

[bold sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-music-bad-take-benjammins-cringe-disgust-gif-14220968616831253460

Who is your goat, bro?

[prisma yacht]

My goat retired and is enjoying golf.

[bold sonnet]

Bale?

[prisma yacht]

😎

[bold sonnet]

Bro is a pro golfer and was playing football as a side gig

What a chad

Nice shout though

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/bale-wales-gales-festejo-gol-gif-16233786882725694720

[pulsar path]

It's almost chapter week!

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-the-aura-aura-meme-aura-farming-feels-the-aura-meme-gif-8288143849566529885

[prisma yacht]

I can't sleep

[royal orchid]

the photon rectangle will help surely

[prisma yacht]

[dense rapids]

Earth God Jonah (Yona)

[hasty sable]

Wait cook

[grand flower]

I wonder how this would relate to Nerona being that “go to sleep” pun

I bet rocks also never slept

[dense rapids]

Mt Fuji Wano = Reverse Mountain

They’re mirror each other

Wano was based on whatever was at reverse mountain

Pluton is below Wano

Davy Jones the rider of Pluton is below reverse mountain

[sturdy steeple]

@vestal mural https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2055733266909388869/

emmet (@CourtneyEmmet)

Dressrosa

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FxTwitter · May 16, 2026, 7:32 PM

Just look at this Monet, man

[hasty sable]

Love that Rebecca

Imu is also a good candidate for Earth God. Literally rules from Pangaea Castle

Though Blackbeard has some thematic overlap with Imu

[dense rapids]

Naw Imu is forest god

He made the wood sing

[thick mango]

I think bb is truly a logia and his third spot is open to steal imu or some other legendary power

[dense rapids]

^

I think he’ll steal either Imu’s or Davy Jones power

Rn I think he’s trying to replicate them

Yami = Imu

Gura = Davy

[thick mango]

In my review of lrll I think Davy might still be alive

Important arc btw

[dense rapids]

Definitely

Oh yea to add to my theory about him being trapped under Reverse Mountain and that it mirrors Wano

[thick mango]

I'm allowed to talk about mythology right

[dense rapids]

Yea

[thick mango]

Wukong was trapped under a mountain

[dense rapids]

Ohhhhhh yea

[thick mango]

As punishment for fuckin around in heaven

[dense rapids]

Shoujou = Davy Jones

Masira = Joy Boy

“Monkey Mountain Alliance”

[hasty sable]

Don’t see a connection with Imu and Forest God tbh

[dense rapids]

Forest God sent forth demons

[hasty sable]

I don’t think he’s necessarily any of the gods though

[dense rapids]

Imu turned the wood into demons

So far each god is connected to an element and music

Imu fits that criteria

[hasty sable]

What is Imu’s music

[dense rapids]

The trees and houses started singing

[hasty sable]

Eh

[thick mango]

Got final boss of an rpg music
https://youtu.be/JDj1QHxMs6o?si=S3Q4aviHLfUJF_VV

[dense rapids]

^

Yea it’ll probably sound like guitars

Only affected wood

[balmy lava]

only the elements of the forest....not the stone castle

[red lagoon]

Forest god

[balmy lava]

forest boss built all the houses

[dense rapids]

Goro/Gedatsu = Davy

[balmy lava]

davy + joyboy

[dense rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-true-speed-true-speed-reaction-speed-morgan-freeman-gif-1262717800407517322

The god Enel is talking about is Davy Jones

I think Imu like Enel but was just replicating him

[balmy lava]

sailing on pluton together?

[dense rapids]

Aka a whale

Jonah and the Whale

[balmy lava]

the symbol of the sun above the clouds....I wonder if this is a flying ship

[formal wagon]

tbh this could probably have killed kaido

[dense rapids]

Wano imagery

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-shaky-cam-found-footage-chopper-dr-chooper-gif-3249813292836039258

[balmy lava]

a ship that might shoot 16 rays like the sun, and creates giant holes in the ground....

[formal wagon]

oh i thought it was a mech

they're just standing in the helmet

[balmy lava]

The kyokujitsu-ki is a somewhat controversial flag, since it was the flag of the imperial japanese army.

it had the 16 rays of the sun outward, and associated with imperial japan. If only one-piece had a weapon that had 16 beams of light.....

it isnt just a symbol we see in Wano, it is also part of the skypiea national flag

[echo lake]

that mole has a black blade

yonko level mole

[iron oriole]

Michael Speedson

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-black-khan-mongolia-gif-14203750962198594973

[distant vine]

https://youtu.be/V9_ZpqfqHFI?si=r45m4Tl7IMU-JicG

Reminder Uta has more aura than your fav

[upper rose]

The forest boss looks like someone i know

[dark nymph]

Thank you for the reminder Akainus left nut

[hasty sable]

Lol

[ruby moat]

Wamato

[stone terrace]

Wonderful bait

[soft tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[dapper tree]

Yamato could have beat Sommers and Killingham by herself

Oda knew this

And stopped her from joining

[tranquil blade]

Super Sommers wins

[dapper tree]

Super Sommers is losing to nerfed zoro who is still weaker than yamato

[hazy turret]

The calm before the storm

[spice cairn]

Super Sommers?

Not like, handsome enhanced Sommers

[tranquil blade]

He calls himself that after getting the omen

[spice cairn]

Just SUPER Sommers

Imu needs to hire hellspawn that care about naming convenions

[grand flower]

SUPER SOMMERS the goat

Nami father

Mayhaps

[hazy turret]

It is I, SUUUUPER Sommers

https://tenor.com/view/superhero-brave-super-cape-grover-gif-6152788801025829514

[dense rapids]

Patrick Redfield = Imu

Burn D. World = Davy D. Jones

[urban lodge]

Bro's name is actually Burn D. World?

[scenic dirge]

Top 10 Goda moments tbh

Just for the crashouts alone

[spice cairn]

Yamato is heckin wholesome chungus

Making sure the residents recover

[hot cairn]

[ruby cape]

whole time i was saying his name like birnndi when burn d or burn the makes more sense

[hot cairn]

ptsd

[hazy turret]

People try to compare it to 1079 but it’s really worlds apart in the repercussions it had on the fandom. Everyone was expecting Kid and Law to lose, the most optimistic Kid fans (of which I sided with), were expecting the fight to get interrupted. But Yamato joining? It was as confirmed as it can get without being explicit. She had met the Strawhats and they all basically welcomed her. Only for Goda to pull the rug from under everyone like that. Chef’s kiss

[dark nymph]

Never trust Oda

[hot cairn]

1079 was def funnier tho

[urban lodge]

Idk 1057 was pretty fucking funny

1079 was more shocking

[formal wagon]

😭 ur saying that cause you weren't the butt of the joke

[urban lodge]

Exactly

[wraith mantle]

other than the yamato and kidd Ls

[formal wagon]

number 2 yamabro doesnt think yamatogate is funny 😭

[hasty sable]

GOAT

[wraith mantle]

what other moments are up there in terms of fandom impact

[hasty sable]

Wiper is one of the best side characters

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-12565004940729182637

carrot fan cant be talking like this

[hasty sable]

Kid L was seismic. People still think he's a loser because of that lol

[hot cairn]

at least Yamato had a goodbye

[formal wagon]

ill give you this one

[spice cairn]

Yamato is apart of a better crew now

So was it really that bad?

[wraith mantle]

carrot being bodied by perospero and no goodbye scene in one arc

oda did her so dirty

[hasty sable]

The Yamato Pirates

[wraith mantle]

shipless crew

landlocked pirates

[dark nymph]

Yes.

[spice cairn]

For Yamato guys it was bad

But im glad he stuck by. Now he has to baby sit Hanafuda's children

[hasty sable]

Pedro: listen to me Carrot. Everyone has their time to shine. Except you.

[spice cairn]

Much like Kaido wanted

[hazy turret]

Chat!
Before you respond, stay calm and do your research!
Jesus here was an avid Y4N believer, of course he would say 1079 is funnier. It is important for us to be diligent and analyze these provocations

[hasty sable]

Loki next

[dark nymph]

Crazy

[native cloud]

Hey you think BB could take her down?

[wraith mantle]

what does Y4N stand for

[spice cairn]

Yknow it was Jesus that convinced Moses to make the commandments

Really makes you think

[hasty sable]

Big time

[hazy turret]

Yamato for nakama

[wraith mantle]

ohh

[dark nymph]

No one actually believes he will join due to his size

[hasty sable]

Yamato will probably get some focus when Teach comes knocking for Pluton

[spice cairn]

All BB needs to do is take the attention away from the audience and he

[native cloud]

How so?

[spice cairn]

will win offscreen

[dark nymph]

And Yamato incident ofc traumatized people

[hot cairn]

well said Kid fan, well said

[hasty sable]

That and Harald/Rocks parallel

[hot cairn]

changed Vic forever

[hasty sable]

Yamato can't beat an emperor

But he will give it the old college try

[wraith mantle]

loki yamato and bonney

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-17838160168594208358

[hot cairn]

So much proof about me being the 2nd Yamabro and I still somehow didnt make it to the collage

unbelievable

[wraith mantle]

excellent strawhat canadidates, too bad crew is full

[spice cairn]

The new big three?

I agree

[native cloud]

Now this is some funny shii

[hazy turret]

Maybe whoever made it just straight up felt bad for you man

[hasty sable]

You think it's funny?

[native cloud]

Yes

[hot cairn]

[hasty sable]

I guess he could beat Buggy

[wraith mantle]

lowkey oda is not gonna let them join to save sanji and zoro's aura as monster trio

[spice cairn]

We are past people joining

[urban lodge]

Mihawk wouldn't let it happen

Only he and Croc can bully Buggy

[spice cairn]

Its more of a culmutative effort Luffy made a foundation of due to his influence as a D

[hazy turret]

Guys the last strawhat to join was introduced to the story BEFORE the timeskip

[spice cairn]

Much like how Teech by extension Dragon had gained arms to the race

[hazy turret]

Like what 15 years ago?

[dark nymph]

Can we make an “Elbaph is Usopps Arc” collage after this arc is over

[wraith mantle]

did anyone push law for nakama

[hasty sable]

Luffy

[native cloud]

No, what I’m saying is Yamato will protect Wano and put up a fight against BB unlike Law

That Law fight haunts me to this day @hasty sable

[hasty sable]

Law put up a fight let's be fair

[hazy turret]

Well

BB let him

[spice cairn]

Well

[urban lodge]

Law almost killed Teach's dumbass

[hasty sable]

Law is also stronger than Yams

[native cloud]

He did, why did he lose

[spice cairn]

Because he simply wasn't ready.

Law bit off more than he can do with contesting Teech

[native cloud]

Don’t do this, it’s not funny

[spice cairn]

A guy infamous for shutting down DF users within his range

Did he really think he would win lmao

[native cloud]

See now you’re throwing me off

[hazy turret]

Come on my friend. Look inwards and you will find it to be true

[hasty sable]

None of Sabaody trio were at that level where fighting an emperor solo was going to work out

[native cloud]

Rokyaa

[hasty sable]

Yamato has never been. He is just a great Kaido staller.

[hazy turret]

Yeah if Luffy needed an entire country to help him beat one emperor, he wasn’t gonna let kid and law do it

[spice cairn]

Zoro is a great Lucci staller

[hazy turret]

I’m sorry brother

[hasty sable]

Why I maintain that it was only by luck that Teach didn't jump Luffy instead

Straw Hats would have lost too

[spice cairn]

Well yeah it was fate

Teech knew this

[hazy turret]

Hmmm

[pure scaffold]

Rok, we had a homophobe on #manga. Dw, we already scared him away using Zosan gifs lmfao

[spice cairn]

He just wanted to see if someone would snag his bait

[native cloud]

Lmao but saying BB let him was diabolical

[wraith mantle]

man

just remembered devon has copied saturn's form

[hasty sable]

Law took the fastest route to the end

[wraith mantle]

what will she be able to do with that

[spice cairn]

And will proceed to do nothing

[urban lodge]

I think they would have pretty comfortably won against BB with only half his crew

[hazy turret]

Oh he got banned anyways

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gear-5-twerk-one-piece-luffy-gear-5-gif-15390108987791750404

[hasty sable]

Most likely place to strike

[spice cairn]

Nothing ever happens

[hasty sable]

and Kid just had a fucking death wish

[wraith mantle]

yeah like hes fucking dead

she cant fool anyone as him

[native cloud]

What did you just say Archer?

[pure scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-luffy-gear-5-luffy-gear-5-white-luffy-gear-5-moon-gear-5-gif-13839016206611534263

[spice cairn]

Well it depends how widespread the news is

I'd assume innerly its widespread

[hasty sable]

Luffy would have lost if Teach jumped him

[spice cairn]

But not your typical marine barring those who were there would know

[native cloud]

Nhaa

You’re wrong for that

[celest mauve]

luffy's crew are not a bunch of bums like law's crew

[hazy turret]

I’m being a little funny about it but like this just is how BB fights. Like did he not do that with everyone else he fought before?

[native cloud]

Tera come on now, respect Law ❤️

[hasty sable]

He only beat Kaido after dying twice. He wouldn't win there when Teach seizes the advantage.

[signal salmon]

When is the new chapter out

I’m bit late

[celest mauve]

1. luffy didn't start fighting kaido with either ACoC or G5
2. kaido is stronger than blackbeard

[hazy turret]

1182

[hasty sable]

Though tbh the Straw Hats might have been able to escape

[celest mauve]

no

[hazy turret]

It’s in #announcements

[hasty sable]

Since Kuzan and other captains weren't with Teach

But Teach alone is a monster they would have to run from to survive

[native cloud]

[hasty sable]

When Luffy's Gear 5 runs out no one else in the crew can stand against him.

[urban lodge]

I think you're overestimating BB somewhat

[native cloud]

Rokaya are you seeing this shit?

[hasty sable]

I think I'm not. He's an emperor with two devil fruits

[spice cairn]

Bepo

[hasty sable]

Teach can touch Luffy and take him out of his gears

[urban lodge]

Luffy is still a haki monster

[hasty sable]

He can also sink them qith his gura powers

[spice cairn]

Luffy can play around Gura quite a bit theorically no?

So is that really an issue for him?

Unless its a direct hit,

[native cloud]

So you’re saying it’s not an even Fight?

[hasty sable]

Luffy dominates his fights with Gears. Without them he can still keep going but he is not bringing Teach down with anything less.

[hazy turret]

I mean idk, the Luffy timer thing is a valid point. Especially when they were at sea/not near a town

[hasty sable]

No, Teach is still the stronger opponent

[spice cairn]

Teech can probably simply just take the blows till Luffy tires

Which is a good point

[native cloud]

[hasty sable]

It is more that the scale of his power puts them all at risk

Teach can sink the Sunny

[spice cairn]

Im sure there's workarounds but the issue is Luffy's stamina

[urban lodge]

I don't disagree that Bb is still stronger probably but I think the advantage of Luffy having his full crew outweighs that

[spice cairn]

I doubt he can last an onslaught against Teech at this rate during this point

[hasty sable]

His stamina is consistently the big weakness he has to work around.

[native cloud]

I can’t believe you guys

[hasty sable]

He has not won a single fight with an arc boss in the New World where he hasn't had to take a timeout an recuperate

[spice cairn]

Oda can always make the Burgress redemption arc soon

Hes all he needs.

[native cloud]

Yall downplaying Luffy after so long is nuts to me

[hasty sable]

Kaido actually killed him two times in one night

It's almost not fair to sat Luffy won that one lol

[hazy turret]

Well hold on now

That’s KAIDO

[hasty sable]

I'm not downplaying him it's just the truth. Luffy was down for the count after fighting Kizaru for five minutes. He isn't bringing down emperors on his own.

And Teach is unique because he has the ability to render Luffy's Gears useless

[hazy turret]

I think that before, BB’s devil fruits were a massive threat because of how difficult it seemed to counter. But with haki recently being the silver bullet in the story, BB vs Luffy is going to a lot more even lol

[spice cairn]

What if Teech tripped on a rock

[hasty sable]

Also pretty sure Teach has all the Haki stats too

[spice cairn]

Just armament iirc

[native cloud]

@hasty sable

[spice cairn]

And even then we don't even know if he has coc

[hasty sable]

we don't know yet yeah

[spice cairn]

Which im sure he does but Oda omitting this fact still leaves it up to your headcanon

[urban lodge]

I will die on the hill that he doesn't

[spice cairn]

Teech is severely lacking in Haki, which is suppose to convey that hes all in on fruits

[hazy turret]

But is he as good as Luffy lol even if he has conq, would he have coating?

[spice cairn]

That might be an intentional writing flaw for him via Oda.

[hazy turret]

Like it might come down to haki vs haki

[hasty sable]

He's also one of the first people to even mention haki in the story

[spice cairn]

He already made peace that him falling into ocean in active combat would be instant death

[hasty sable]

So, I am not confident in that being his blindspot

[native cloud]

Hey Archer, BB vs Akainu, who you got?

[hasty sable]

BB

[native cloud]

Lol

Why

[hasty sable]

because he's an emperor

[native cloud]

Oh

But you just downplayed Luffy a couple of minutes ago like he isn’t one too

[hasty sable]

He's a fresh emperor and Luffy would probably win against Sakazuki too

[native cloud]

I see

[hasty sable]

Teach is almost a cool billion ahead of Luffy on the bounty scale

[native cloud]

But let’s go back to Yamato, why would she lose to this guy though? I mean she is as strong as her dad and hanged with him during fights, her losing to BB is just nuts to me

[hasty sable]

he is not as strong as Kaido

[hazy turret]

Kid is the first to mention burn scar, you think Oda is gonna let him enjoy the spoils of being the first to mention something

[hasty sable]

Yamato was going to lose

[hazy turret]

Oda is Oda…

[native cloud]

No she wasn’t

[spice cairn]

Believing Oda is a big mistake

[hasty sable]

Yamato was on the back foot of the entire fight. He was only stalling until Luffy made it back

[rustic gate]

[urban lodge]

And Kaido was still clearly massively holding back even if he says he wouldn't

No future sight or drunk forms, no flame bagua

[hasty sable]

Even the drunk forms are kind of Kaido toying with Luffy

Which just shows that even though Luffy was doing damage to Kaido and wearing him down there wa no chance of winning without Gear 5

Kaido was casually copying Snakeman and all kinds of nonsense

honestly if Kaido was not a suicidal idiot and avoided Bajrang he still would have won lol

[hasty sable]

this is a little different imo

Teach reading Luffy's haki and recognizing his true strength at the time indicates to me that he is actually fairly proficient in it

[hazy turret]

Err that’s fair

[hasty sable]

it can go either way to me I just don't rule it out

[hazy turret]

I don’t think he’s going to suck with haki, but I’d be surprised if he was as busted as Luffy is

Haki wise at least

[hasty sable]

Even Luffy is still figuring stuff out I think

Teach will end up stealing the devil's fruit though so it's fine

[hazy turret]

Luffy is still learning how to wield it i would say

But he’s oozing out with it

[ashen rose]

Yamao

[urban lodge]

I thought the official used Yamabro

[hasty sable]

yeah colored edits some vizms

[deep chasm]

Yamato as strong as Kaido? ban this guy

[deep chasm]

as great as luffy is, the show recently has made it feel like luffy's haki isnt actually that amazing

like he has all the main techniques which is great. But then shanks can block your observation haki and we know the peak of haki with someone like joyboy is much greater than where luffy is rn

but I agree in the sense I dont think BB is necessarily going to be some haki monster relative to his competition

[thick mango]

hes the fruit guy

shanks is the haki mosnter

buggy is the luck monster

[ruby moat]

Teach has yet to get conq and I feel like a third fruit would be a better powerup for him instead of it

Assuming he gets another substantial powerup

[soft tangle]

1v2’d Garp Sengoku, goat

[grand flower]

Blackbeard is a Haki monster cause he scarred a Haki monster

[formal wagon]

#1016825901205434538

[prisma yacht]

Gaynel dump

[hazy turret]

Oh I need to continue my Jaya reread 😔

[thick mango]

jaya top tier arc

[urban lodge]

Skypiea Zoro is so so funny

[maiden charm]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kalgara-kalgara-one-piece-calgara-calgara-one-piece-gif-5453547365256373585

[formal wagon]

ohm > mihawk

theres evidence for this

rip noland kalgara edit

[maiden charm]

Nvrm,ruined for garbage powerscaling

[formal wagon]

my fault

[maiden charm]

Its all good

[azure wasp]

With sommers we might get some funny stuff with zoro again

[hazy turret]

“If our will is strong” 👀 @hasty sable

Maybe they’re goated with haki after all

[formal wagon]

oh my god a second panel dumper has hit also=manga

[hazy turret]

Sorry for interrupting the lively discussion

[celest mauve]

[thick mango]

Hey I mean... one of the two is currently fighting our heroes while the other is still ramping up

So... make any appropriate conclusions from that I'm not telling you how to think

[celest mauve]

I don't really get this logic because blackbeard fought luffy directly in pre-timeskip already

[thick mango]

When he punched him once? Doesn't count

[celest mauve]

and are you suggesting imu is going to lose here?

[thick mango]

No just that imu is being presented directly as a threat first

[celest mauve]

and blackbeard wasn't presented as one before the timeskip?

he was one of the main antagonists of impel down

and yes he and luffy did fight

[hot cairn]

Wyper is so goated

[thick mango]

Nah dude that's like 3 panels like one chapter

The conclusion of that confrontation is that they should not fight

[celest mauve]

I'm struggling to see how the short length disqualifies it as a fight where luffy confronted blackbeard with words first before punching him 😭

[thick mango]

In the context of the final war the direct confrontations have been wg after wg while bb slowly powers up in the background

[next estuary]

You all think Luffy v Imu is endgame bc plot

I think Luffy v BB is endgame bc I think it’d be cool

[thick mango]

Cp9, elders, God's knights, imu. All wg

It seems like an series of escalations along a particular axis while the other ladder of escalation hasn't even really started. Like it's being saved for after

[celest mauve]

none of the gorosei went down in egghead besides saturn who was killed by imu, not taken out by a protagonist

no chance in hell imu loses in elbaf, and shamrock was purposely taken out of the arc to be saved for a later date

seems to me this is just a precursor to their final showings in the final war

even lucci and kaku are still active in CP0 despite both losing multiple times in pre-timeskip and now post-timeskip

[thick mango]

Eh yknow I'm not telling you what to think if you don't find this contrast meaningful that's fine

[celest mauve]

I think the blackbeard confrontation is going to happen as soon as luffy and co. are ready to find either the final road poneglyph or the one piece itself, whereas the WG being taken down feels like the overarching plot that must be resolved after finding the OP

vegapunk's speech cemented it too, he who holds the OP can change the fate of the world

[thick mango]

I don't think bb can go down before imu cause he's gonna show up at the 11th hour to eat imus powers

He's so associated with 3 and fruits and only has 2 powers and no zoan

[celest mauve]

I mean I also don't think oda will make luffy fight the same power in 2 different villains, he hasn't done it till now iirc

[thick mango]

For me the fruit stealing is still unresolved

So if it's not imu it's someone else

But it's probably imu

The only other option I can see is loki but I think that's less likely

Sengoku is on the list i guess but bottom of the list

Marco it woulda happened already if it were gonna happen

[vestal mural]

The queen getting the love she deserves ☺️

[somber flare]

It’s gonna be Imu

Otherwise he would’ve gotten another one already

[keen falcon]

I don't see what escalations there are to be making

I don't think blackbeard is going to have a series of powerful god knight esque squadrons under him lol

He'll get his shit rocked when the time comes I'm sure

But I think it'll be at the last moment before laugh tale

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-cat-scuba-scuba-cat-ai-gif-4141008857407916071

[keen falcon]

Though the fact there are 10 straw hats and 11 major bb members bothers me

[thick mango]

I also think imu is the strongest candidate.
I only like loki cause it could pay off a dynamic where rocks son betrays haralds son. But there's no present day interaction.
Sengoku has a stronger plot connection where sword will likely be heading to hachinosu to rescue garp and for bb to usurp the symbol of reigning justice would be a really strong beat. Also the Buddha fruit is really under used up to this point

[keen falcon]

I hope Loki doesn't end up joining the crew

[somber flare]

He’s too strong so he won’t be

[keen falcon]

He's way too much of a crazed lone wolf to serve anyone like that

And I think I'd get tired of him if he got too much screentime after elbaf

[somber flare]

Loki joining the SHs would instantly make them the strongest pirate crew of all time

[thick mango]

Maybe but if it would be anyone it would be his idols son carrying on his idols will. We know that's not true but loki has no way to doubt that

[keen falcon]

I'm also still pretty salty at carrot's horrible ending

That and in general the straw hats could use a third woman regardless

2/10 feels very imbalanced

[somber flare]

Vivi

[keen falcon]

Kinda yeah although unless she has zaza powers I don't see her being actually relevant combat wise beyond being a cheerleader

[thick mango]

Well chopper franky brook are kinda wildcards so it's moreike 432

[keen falcon]

😭???

Franky is still very male

[thick mango]

Franky is a robot

[somber flare]

I was gonna say the paw paw theory but Kuma won’t die so idk now

[keen falcon]

He's not a robot he's just a cyborg

[somber flare]

Maybe she really will just be the cheerleader

[keen falcon]

We saw how robin handled him

[thick mango]

That was prets

[keen falcon]

Don't you mean 532 with those numbers

[thick mango]

He's way more robot now

Idk who I forgot

[keen falcon]

Even still with 6/2/2 cause chopper and brook are cutiepies I still wish there'd be another active and useful woman on the crew xd

[keen falcon]

The zaza theory wars are gonna last forever while vivi and dragon both don't get to do things

I figure they'll probably find out about vivi during post-elbaf, and knowing one piece probably try to find her after the next island lmfao

[rain cedar]

Im still hoping for the Paw DF

Makes perfect sense with what Lili did as well

[keen falcon]

Nah no way kuma's dying that'd be fucked

Kuma earned his happy ending after an endless lifetime and years and years of suffering and fighting

And bonney earned the time with her dad too

[rain cedar]

I meeeeannnn Oda might as well let him go atp

[keen falcon]

Hell no

[thick mango]

Nah the moment passed

[keen falcon]

He didn't at the end of egghead he won't now

[thick mango]

Egghead was the moment

[somber flare]

Yeah he’s literally getting revived as well

Personality and all

[rain cedar]

That's also

Idk why he didn't do it

[keen falcon]

Because one piece isn't meant to be depressing for the sake of depressing and edgy 😭

Kuma deserves happiness

[somber flare]

Kaido’s fruit is back in the mix 🤷‍♂️

[keen falcon]

That's reserved for flashback characters

[rain cedar]

Not really. The whole point was that Kuma sacrificed himself for his daughter

[balmy field]

shit i js pinged somebody

[rain cedar]

It's not "edgy", it's just a sad story

[keen falcon]

Kuma had like a dozen sad stories

He doesn't need to end with one sadder one

[thick mango]

There's nothing edgy about a loving father sacrificing himself for his child

[rain cedar]

his whole life was built on self sacrifice lmao

Yeah

[thick mango]

That's like the opposite of edgy

[keen falcon]

Oda abused him enough

[rain cedar]

I dont mind Kuma getting a happy ending

But it also feels like a missed opportunity to me

[thick mango]

For sure I can't believe oda put a bomb in kuma and didn't blow it up on saturn

I'll reserve my judgement till I see what else he gets but sitting around smiling at bonney isn't worth passing that up

[rain cedar]

Yeah but then he also gave the elders infinite Regen so it would've been kinda useless in a sense?

I still wished he hadn't

[thick mango]

It coulda been the moment the sh needed instead of the haki knot

You don't need to kill saturn just needs to matter

[keen falcon]

I hope Imu kills someone with a name

[rain cedar]

Yeah but I suppose Oda also did build Emet right from the start of the arc

It was obvious he would play a big role

[thick mango]

Idk I didn't really love the haki knot

[keen falcon]

It's gonna be kinda cringe for him to be the god emperor of the world and show up and not do anything but injure a woman's fingers

[thick mango]

He didn't play a big role. He sat there for 98% of the arc then saved the day at the last moment

[rain cedar]

That's still a big role ?

The elders would've jumped the sunny

[keen falcon]

It's an important role but like, not one with a lot of time

[rain cedar]

They wouldn't have made it to Elbaf

[keen falcon]

It feels more like a deus ex machina

[rain cedar]

Yes

[keen falcon]

Just kind of "uhm actually he saves everyone with a secret rope lmao"

[thick mango]

Yes and deus ex machina is bad

[somber flare]

His role was more of an emotional one to other characters

[rain cedar]

it's more of a chekhovs gun imo

[keen falcon]

I feel like egghead's ending was watered down a bit by having all five elders at once

[somber flare]

Kuma had already been dead for like 10 years at this point

[keen falcon]

The less there are the more threatening they feel individually

[thick mango]

We'll never have the alternative to compare but I do think the version where kuma saves the day in one last sacrifice rather than emet woulda been better

[somber flare]

I was satisfied with it

[rain cedar]

I would've preferred that as well

[keen falcon]

He very much was not and still operating just fine by sabaody

[somber flare]

I meant real life years

[keen falcon]

He was losing himself but not dead

oh

then way more than 10 LOL

[somber flare]

When was marineford

I thought that was like 2011 or something

[keen falcon]

10 years ago was whole cake irl

🙂

Marineford started 2009

[somber flare]

Ah so like 14

[keen falcon]

17 years ago lol

damn

[somber flare]

Egghead also started like 4 years ago at this point lol

[keen falcon]

Oh yeah true

But man I'd absolutely hate it having Bonney do all of this as a small weak child just trying to save her dad only to lose him again one last time

That'd just be cruel

[thick mango]

is he really saved?

[somber flare]

I think Kuma has had enough suffering and agony in his life

[keen falcon]

I mean technically not fully restored yet

But like, practically yeah at this point I'd say

[somber flare]

Vegapunk says he will be at some point

[thick mango]

smh oda gonna undo another death

lets save ace next

[sick dust]

And Mihawk hasn’t had a new feat since

[rain cedar]

It was bound to happen since Oda didn't blow him up lmao

He's such a hack

[thick mango]

yeah i know but its just another reason i dislike this line compared to the alternative

[keen falcon]

As a ||widower|| everything about kuma in egghead had me fucked up lol

[somber flare]

I think this is the one instance where I’m ok with it

[tidal onyx]

I remember when I caught to dresrosa in 2013

[somber flare]

The ancient kingdom technology has to be on another level I hope Oda knows what he’s gonna do with that

[keen falcon]

I remember going on watchop and being all "WOWW THIS IMPEL DOWN STUFF GOING ON IS COOL"

I was like 6 😭

[keen falcon]

He's gotta have a fucking vault of this stuff

[sick dust]

to love is to let go mijo

[rain cedar]

I sure hope you enjoyed Magellan

[thick mango]

tell oda that

[keen falcon]

Hell yeah

[sick dust]

@rapid oyster to love is to let go mijo

[rain cedar]

Ngl it annoys me how cool Magellan is but we won't ever see him because he's always sitting in that stinky prison

[thick mango]

theres gonna be another prison breakout

doffy and weevil cant remain in prison

[keen falcon]

And bon clay my goat I want them out

[rain cedar]

There will be and Magellan will inevitably get his ass handed down to him 💔

[thick mango]

weevil has done nothing he needs to justify his existence and he cant do that from a prison cell

[somber flare]

Magellan is a bot farmer he’s not that impressive

[rain cedar]

I think we are getting Chad weevil for sure

GB drained all the weirdness from him

[dapper tree]

Finally

Someone agrees with me

[sick dust]

I feel Oda might have the same habit as Kubo. Where he just draws a design and puts it in the series because he doesn’t want it to go to waste

[keen falcon]

Maybe Arlong is in impel down too

[slim pecan]

isnt he

[sick dust]

Irrelevant

[thick mango]

nah hes not some random guy he was a warlod, hes allegedly whitebeards son probably his half clone. theres too much going on there to throw away

[slim pecan]

when luffy defeated him

[rain cedar]

Bad opinion

[slim pecan]

didnt the marines capture him when luffy beat him?

[keen falcon]

Also stussy the scientist is his mother

[dapper tree]

Magallen stinks

[slim pecan]

arlong

[thick mango]

impel down isnt the only prison, arlong isnt necessarily in there

[keen falcon]

They captured him but we don't see what happens after

[sick dust]

Oda has other plot points too. There is a possibility he might not have time to get to it

[rain cedar]

That's true but he's also cool asf

[slim pecan]

he prob gets put in impel down

[keen falcon]

All we know is that Arlong found out Jinbe joined the straw hats

[sick dust]

Like how he wasn’t able to with Moria’s relevance in Wano

As being a kozuki

[rain cedar]

Since when did Oda start throwing away major plot lines

[somber flare]

Arlong has been trapped in the local east blue prison for the past 2 years

[thick mango]

but moria still got a whole ass arc and is getting more in the future. What youre suggesting is weevil gets literally nothing and i just cant buy it

[slim pecan]

why would oda make a weevil his own arc

[keen falcon]

He had a history there but it wasn't relevant to wano itself

[thick mango]

hes not gonna get his own arc but he is gonna get something

[slim pecan]

hes probaly gonna meet marco

[keen falcon]

Why would whitebeard's presumed clone and stuff not get at least some storyline lmfao

[sick dust]

Tashigi’s dream

[slim pecan]

or marco helps weevil escape the prison

[sick dust]

Bounty hunters

[rain cedar]

All pre timeskip

And let's be real

[sick dust]

The giant shadows

[keen falcon]

Why would marco help him escape

[rain cedar]

Tashigis dream was never gonna happen

Like literally never

[slim pecan]

in skypeia?

[keen falcon]

Just wait she'll get them all

[sick dust]

Uroge possibly

[thick mango]

stussy asked for his help.

[somber flare]

I don’t think Marco knows that Weevil has been murdering his brothers

[sick dust]

Crocodiles secret

[thick mango]

he also went down defending sphinx island

iirc

[keen falcon]

Fair

[sick dust]

And his relationship with WhiteBeard

[keen falcon]

I really don't think that's going to go ignored

[rain cedar]

Crocoboy is still kicking and very much relevant

[keen falcon]

Crocodile and Mihawk are the new yonko together and I have zero doubts we'll be getting their backstories

[rain cedar]

Bounty hunters is like the only thing I'd agree with you on

[keen falcon]

Oda even hid crocodile's face at roger's execution and stuff, there's something hiding

[slim pecan]

hopefully we get croc and mihawk backstories

would be peak

[keen falcon]

It's one piece, we're getting them for every yonko level

[slim pecan]

[thick mango]

definitely mihawk.. croc.. eh 5050 that might sbs territory like kozuki moria

[slim pecan]

[sick dust]

There is also the Kozuki and Kurozumi conflict

[slim pecan]

yea

[sick dust]

That was a dropped plot point

[keen falcon]

Nahhh no way croccyboy's getting ignored like that 😭

[thick mango]

at least at this point hes just not that important. Hes as important as like shiryu or jesus burgess

[keen falcon]

There isn't really any conflict anymore there was just a nasty comeback directed at orochi and nobody cares about tama being one

[sick dust]

Or wasn’t expanded upon beyond a flashback

[rain cedar]

He would've done it already by this point

[keen falcon]

The rest of the kurozumis are dead probably

[somber flare]

I’d say Mihawk is more likely to get the sbs backstory out of those two

[keen falcon]

I can't agree at all he's the heart of the operation

[sick dust]

Idk that conflict wasn’t solved. Oda just made a tasteless pun

And just moved on

[keen falcon]

Mihawk's just along for the ride and buggy's a punching bag

[thick mango]

mihawk is zoro's goal thats way more important than croc

[thick mango]

the operation isnt that important

[somber flare]

I still don’t really see a need to see his backstory

[rain cedar]

The conflict doesn't exist. Like what do you want to happen? Hiyoris major problem was with orochi, he's gone

[slim pecan]

doesnt croc and ivankov have a friendship or smt

[keen falcon]

Yeah they have a big secret

[somber flare]

I think the most we’ll see of his past is him being present during a Shanks flashback

[slim pecan]

didnt ivankov make croc a man

[sick dust]

Hiyori doesn’t even know Tama was one

[keen falcon]

I definitely don't think we're getting by without mihawk flashback

[slim pecan]

no

that wuld be weird

[keen falcon]

Potentially but again we still haven't been told

[sick dust]

It has not been addressed

[rain cedar]

And that wouldn't change a thing for her if you care about her character

[slim pecan]

dragon and croc doesnt sound right

[keen falcon]

Crocodile being luffy's mom is way more of a meme theory

[sick dust]

In a story about addressing prejudice and calling it out you’ll think Oda would think of something

[keen falcon]

But crocodile being a woman is very plausible

[rain cedar]

The major problem both Momo and Hiyori had was with Orochi

[thick mango]

theyre made to burn

[rain cedar]

I don't remember them going "we need to kill every kurozumi member possible"

[sick dust]

It’s not about Orochi as a whole it’s the history

[keen falcon]

Hiyori said that in a retelling as a dramatic comeback towards him, she wasn't literally saying to burn and kill every last family member

[rain cedar]

So unless im forgetting something

[keen falcon]

It was payback because of oden's words, not genocide

[rain cedar]

There is no huge conflict between their clans anymore

[thick mango]

its not great

[sick dust]

Orochi acted the way he did because of that history

[keen falcon]

Yeah it was just a delivery in poor taste

But we're not having wano act 4 about that

[thick mango]

like yeah i know what was intended but i need to suspend scrutiny to not notice that

[slim pecan]

what did the kosucki do to oricihis clan again?

[sick dust]

And it came out in poor taste because Tama was in the same area

[thick mango]

was prejudice against his clan part of what made orochi bad in the first place?

[sick dust]

I won’t justify his actions but his behavior is easy to understand why he was the way he is

[thick mango]

sure yeah im not jusifying im just saying its more weight on the scale of that being a weird/poor triumph of an ending

[rain cedar]

Yeah but that's all of wanos last act lmao

[keen falcon]

Wano did a lot poorly at the end, like Carrot

[slim pecan]

so kurozumi clan tried to kill the dayimo but failed and was forced to commit seppku

[sick dust]

The anime had to add a scene for her

[keen falcon]

Carrot just getting beaten and abused by perospero and then being made duchess right after to write her out of the story was so ass

[rain cedar]

A certain oni princess....

[keen falcon]

And then the manga kinda ignored her and yeah the anime added a scene

[sick dust]

That’s how bad the resolution was in execution

[thick mango]

id argue thats part of the problem of making something overstuffed/too long. That you feel an obligation to wrap it up quickly and therefore do so poorly

[sick dust]

In the manga

[keen falcon]

If she just got to beat him and deliver justice for pedro it'd be perfectly fine

But her being duchess like this instead of wanda and stuff makes zero sense

[sick dust]

“Oh shit I forgot to have chopper address the smile fruits. I’ll just say that they can’t be cured or some shit like that”

[rain cedar]

That's just a dumb argument lmao

Chopper is not yet on the level of Vegapunk

So it's reasonable he can't cure everything yet

[keen falcon]

Wano needs a protector in these trying times though and Yamato hadn't really had a chance to actually meet the people around him

[sick dust]

I am not asking chopper to instantly heal them

I’m am asking for him to attempt to

[rain cedar]

it was never gonna happen

What's the point of showing his wasted attempts?

Doesn't add anything to the story except wasted pages

[sick dust]

Were talking about Wano my guy

[thick mango]

if he resolved to do it one day it might feel nicer if he does eventually figure it out

[sick dust]

That was a third of Onigashima

[ashen rose]

Chopper was in the cherry blossom part of the country and didn't even mention hiruluk once, oda does not give a shit

[keen falcon]

The smile fruits were also the center of all of punk hazard, dressrosa, and acts 1 and 2 of wano

[thick mango]

speaking of disappointing omissions it bummed me out so much that franky never discussed the responsibility for your creations with vegapunk

[sick dust]

I mean you can’t just have that go unaddressed at all

[rain cedar]

No, i was referring to the bait that Oda had been throwing for like the last 20 chapters or so. There is no point in doing this "new Crewmate" bullshit every second arc or so

[thick mango]

the primary theme of his backstory

[keen falcon]

Wano is hilarious because it's both dragged out and rushed

[sick dust]

When it was basically the driving force of the Dressrosa saga

[rain cedar]

So you're complaining about wasted pages and then saying you want more wasted pages? That's a weird criticism for sure LMAO

[keen falcon]

Yeah I really don't like Loki being proposed as a straw hat

[ashen rose]

It keeps happening

"Wano is Zoro's arc"
"Egghead is Franky's arc"
"Elbaph is gonna be Usopps arc"

[sick dust]

Chopper failing to cure the smile fruits won’t be wasted pages

Because it’ll actually create buildup

And structure

[rain cedar]

Dawg there is literally no point in showing it

[keen falcon]

Honestly if like half of the beast pirates were removed wano would be way better

[ashen rose]

Instead we got big mom dementia plotline and Luffy crying to oden

[sick dust]

And also correlate to his dream of curing every disease

[ashen rose]

Character development

[keen falcon]

Because it's the center of everything and they don't even try or mention it

[rain cedar]

It's so funny to see people complain about how long wano is but then they also want to extend it

[sick dust]

The smile fruits can help expand on that

[keen falcon]

Because it had many problems

It can have things removed and things added

Wano is probably the most flaw filled story arc of the series

[rain cedar]

I dont like Wano myself

[keen falcon]

I love wano but I see a lot of lost potential

[ashen rose]

Some parts were rushed and unnecessary, literal waste of pages that other characters really, really needed it

[sick dust]

You’re pfp gives me the opposite opinion

[ashen rose]

Potential arc

[rain cedar]

But i can't see what's the point of showing it. Chopper had had his moment with the oni virus

[sick dust]

As well as you defending it

[rain cedar]

?

What's wrong with liking a character?

[keen falcon]

That was cool and all but it was just a temporary fight thing and not a multi-arc long overarching conflict being addressed

[rain cedar]

The whole point of the Oni virus was to show how far chopper had come

That's not just a fight thing

[sick dust]

Oni virus was also treated as a monster trio enterance too

[thick mango]

How do y'all feel about elbaf in this context? A lot of people don't like Legoland but I liked it

Damn too slow to edit lol

[ashen rose]

Way better than wano by a mile

[sick dust]

Lego land was okay I guess

[ashen rose]

Although there's still stuff to be addressed

[keen falcon]

I hate legoland the rest of elbaf is peak

[ashen rose]

Usopp

[thick mango]

So far at least, it can still be dragged out at the end

[sick dust]

It didn’t overstay it’s welcome like most of the shit in Onigashima

[ashen rose]

But other than that, everything else was peak

!mural

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1497454280242757662/image.png?ex=69ed9479&is=69ec42f9&hm=7abc1f47d89258c9ce1521f78dfa107baae4b9b0cf28020cf0c31d36fb65fd40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1976&height=1443

[ashen rose]

This is genuinely top 5 pages

Of one piece

[thick mango]

The mural is sick yeah

[ashen rose]

Panels

[thick mango]

And the gv flashback was pretty good.

[ashen rose]

No vague bullshit, no stretched out flashback, just one beautiful panel with real, understandable lore

This chapter got everyone roleplaying as robin

[ashen rose]

Elbaph is starting to be what wano should have been, and more

[rain cedar]

Lego land was like 2 chapters anyway lmao

[keen falcon]

There's not really any loose threads for elbaf to leave out and fuck up unlike onigashima

[thick mango]

Legoland reminded me of early one piece where it's just weird and we need to explore and figure out what's going on

[keen falcon]

The only issue is the heaven realm for me

[sick dust]

Likely because Oda had time to flesh it out as opposed to rapid fire plot points in a condensed arc

[keen falcon]

It was 5

Lasted two irl months I think of chapters

Half the current airing season lmfao

[thick mango]

I'm hoping the heaven realm is resolved as our destination and bridge to some more sky stuff and urouge

[keen falcon]

I just hope they don't ignore it

I'd be very unsatisfied with an entire level of elbaf just unexplored

[sick dust]

I wanna see Shiki in present day at least

At least do something as opposed to retread Strong world if he appears

[ashen rose]

Loki is just a better Yamato
Rocks flashback is just a better Oden flashback (elbaph did more justice to kaidos flashback than wano bro)
Elbaph is just a way more anticipated arc than wano with way more buildup

[keen falcon]

And yeah I have zero doubts urouge has to come up

[thick mango]

That I don't think it's happening. Strong world is what there is

Unless shiki is the man marked by flames, which I don't think he is, I don't expect him

[rain cedar]

Nope, it was 1127, 1128 and 1129

[rapid oyster]

Wdh r u on about amigo

[ashen rose]

Have you seen this monk?

[thick mango]

Maybe you could use the float fruit to make whirlpools though. It's not impossible

Just unlikely

[keen falcon]

Yeah if you mean full chapters but the start and end of it was 1126 and 1130 as well

[sick dust]

Oda still has time to improve Yamato’s character

[rain cedar]

those chapters barely have legoland

[sick dust]

But part of me still feels that ship has sailed with the cover story

[rain cedar]

They're not even about it

[keen falcon]

I wasn't a fan of any amount of legoland lol

[sick dust]

Idk I thought it was kinda fun

[rain cedar]

Yeah it was a.... interesting way to start Elbaf

Could've skipped it entirely though

[cunning narwhal]

mini g4 was cool tho

[sick dust]

It makes the actual introduction to Elbaf that more engaging

And exciting

[thick mango]

Yeah it's just like exploration investigation I miss that. And it probably will be the case once we're entirely done that it has foreshadowing even if we can't see it now

[keen falcon]

I currently don't feel like legoland will add onto anything later for foreshadowing or themes

[ashen rose]

Brother how?

[sick dust]

Drop the oden glaze

[thick mango]

I disagree but i base that on nothing BRB 5 mins reading Legoland

[keen falcon]

There's the general thing of road wanting to play god kind of like imu but eh

They're not exactly dolls with imu

[cunning narwhal]

Lowkey i gotta reread it too 😭

[ashen rose]

Become her own person for herself instead of stealing odens identity? Fuck yes, do a trans rep right (ironic because wano has kiku)

[ashen rose]

Wasn't there a part of it where one of the main trees caught on fire?

[rain cedar]

yamatos dilemma was never about her gender but about oden

That's kiku

[ashen rose]

Imposter syndrome 101

[keen falcon]

I don't feel like it added as much as it took away pages from the story wasting time on it

[rain cedar]

If you remove Oden from her, i doubt yamato would actually continue with the same pronouns

[ashen rose]

It also introduced Luffy using gear 4 in base form

[ashen rose]

If you remove Oden from her she becomes Usopp but strong

She's like pre ennies lobby Usopp in terms of imposter syndrome

[keen falcon]

If you remove Oden from Yamato then Yamato becomes an entirely different character since Oda didn't write that

[thick mango]

Alright I'm back from reading Lego land

[keen falcon]

And probably won't at this point

[radiant rose]

Good evening

[rain cedar]

I do hope that one day, Yamatos character extends beyond Oden. It's just a case of her getting Inspired at a very young stage of her life

[thick mango]

We have the threat of ygrdasail burning. A false sun god with 5 animalistic servants. One of which has been reduced to a skeleton. There's something here for sure

[ashen rose]

Honestly let yamato stay underdeveloped until the final war, there's a lot of more important things needed to be addressed In the story

[keen falcon]

The end of wano is a series of things being improperly resolved and dragging on fodder

[ashen rose]

Or just interesting plot points in general

[rain cedar]

The world tree is burning rn so ig thats sort of foreshadowing?

[keen falcon]

If Yamato doesn't get any development before the final war then I don't really want him involved in it besides defending wano

[ashen rose]

Call me a greedy Loki fan but I still want a full backstory of these two

[keen falcon]

Give that time to other characters

[keen falcon]

Yamato had a two year long cover story dragging things further without doing that

Let other characters exist at this point lmao

[sick dust]

Ngl I hope that the final war doesn’t become a repeat of Onigashima but on a massive scale.

[ashen rose]

I hope it's like marineford

[sick dust]

There is a lot of characters Oda has to juggle and conclude arcs for

[ashen rose]

But with even higher steaks

[thick mango]

We also have the bird servant as kidnapper which might come up with vivi

[keen falcon]

I don't see it being like either

It's definitely not going to just take place on one battlefield

[ashen rose]

It'd be nice if they like, died or something

[keen falcon]

It's going to be a world class war, ancient weapons and all

The grand fleet and whatnot all have to have their own battlefields

[sick dust]

And war arcs have fumbled before in battle shonen

[ashen rose]

Anything end war related always consult the mural

!mural

[tropic nova]

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[keen falcon]

If the final war is just marineford with more characters it would be dogshit

Marineford was just big characters clashing as a tease for what's to come

[ashen rose]

Oda did marineford and that's like, one of the best war arcs in shonen, but I can see how he can fuck this up, it's genuinely too many characters

[keen falcon]

We need to see things play out properly and resolve without oda adding 50 more characters to follow up on

[keen falcon]

It did its job as a first act climax

But it can't be how it ends

[sick dust]

It was but the arcs I am thinking of were treated as a send off for their respective series

The other members of the big three

[ashen rose]

If I were to make a list of every character climax that would come from the war (development and conclusion) it'd be longer than a mall list

[keen falcon]

Yeah and Oda better not drop the ball on a single one lol

There's lots of storylines that he could resolve before the war

[ashen rose]

Just this strawhats alone would be like, 10 chapters's each

[keen falcon]

I'm worried that he won't

And then rush things and skip things during the end because there's no time

[ashen rose]

There's the admirals

The revolutionary army

Wano army

The tontattas

The four emperors

[keen falcon]

The grand fleet I could see fighting the holy knights or something lol

[ashen rose]

Koby

Sword as a whole actually

[keen falcon]

I'd bet that largely gets resolved before the final war on the way to the one piece

[ashen rose]

Gatp

Garp*

[sick dust]

I feel the scabbards already gotten their conclusion despite how sloppy it was

[ashen rose]

Elbaph giants

[keen falcon]

Yeah but they have Pluton and stuff

[ashen rose]

The weapons

The elders

[keen falcon]

So they still have to include wano in things

[ashen rose]

The final war could range from like 300 -500 chapters

Or at least it should if oda really would wrap everything up

[rain cedar]

Do you realise the extent of 500 chapters lmao

[keen falcon]

I think it could be entirely reasonably managed in like 140 chapters, if Oda actually focuses and doesn't add on more characters

[ashen rose]

And there's still the void century flashback

[sick dust]

Think there are plot points that can be cut or should be addressed before the war?

[ashen rose]

Yep

[rain cedar]

That's a chunk of post timeskip

[keen falcon]

That's after burnscar, laughtale, vc flashback, maybe bb pirates

[rain cedar]

Its not gonna be that long

[keen falcon]

Not 140 chapters right now

[sick dust]

I feel most of the strawhats can achieve their dreams before it

[keen falcon]

I think we still have like 300 chapters in the story as a whole

[rain cedar]

Elbaf has at least 20-30 more chapters

[sick dust]

You never know when it comes to one piece

[keen falcon]

I genuinely don't know about elbaf

[rain cedar]

I've seen people say 50 but idk

[keen falcon]

It could end in 5 or 50 with heaven realm arc

[ashen rose]

If lodestar becomes it's own mini arc

[rain cedar]

Most of the content left are the fights

[keen falcon]

Lodestar I'm fully betting will be a full arc

[sick dust]

People used to think the series would end after Enis lobby back when it was running

[ashen rose]

It could show even more characters

[rain cedar]

And then ending arc stuff

[keen falcon]

It's where the roger crew learned about poneglyphs and laugh tale and whatnot

[ashen rose]

"just 5 more years bro"

[keen falcon]

Then they were just wrong lmfao

[rain cedar]

We can skip lodestar because our guys already know about poneglyphs

Depends on Oda

[sick dust]

No one had any idea how long the series would be in serialization

[keen falcon]

That would be no different than luffy just asking rayleigh what the one piece is

[sick dust]

Oda himself was as clueless

[rain cedar]

Oda said some bullshit about even skipping Elbaf though that was never gonna happen

[keen falcon]

They're taking their adventure and doing it right

[rain cedar]

They're not the same at all

[sick dust]

I remember that making me anxious back when he said it

[ashen rose]

How would they even skip lodestar?

[keen falcon]

By getting the last poneglyph they could just sail towards the one piece probably

[rain cedar]

Considering we literally got Imu and the mural, he was just lying for no reason because there's no way to skip all of this

[thick mango]

If they found the 4th glyph they wouldn't have to continue by log

[keen falcon]

but that would be so un-one piece of them to not visit the last log pose island

[ashen rose]

Thank god he didn't, imagine skipping this

[keen falcon]

I need flashbacks for Brook, Gunko, Five Elders, Joyboy, Imu, Davy, Mihawk, Crocodile, Urouge, Akainu, Dragon, Shanks, Blackbeard at a minimum ngl

[rain cedar]

Brook and Gunko will have one and the same probably

[keen falcon]

Yeah

A few of those could overlap easily

[rain cedar]

Urogue....

[keen falcon]

We're not skipping urouge no way

[ashen rose]

Brook and gunko can be the same one

Five elders joyboy and Imu same

[thick mango]

I don't think lodestar is necessary I don't think it would be a betrayal of the journey to skip it that being said I think it's likely we go there. Too many unanswered questions.
Also I have a theory that buggy will set up a Davy back ambush on lpdestar to mirror his ambush at loguetown

[rain cedar]

I've no clue what Oda is saving Urogue for

[ashen rose]

Akainu, dragon, shanks and Blackbeard also same flashback

[keen falcon]

We have 11/12 worst gen members having their big places in the story

[sick dust]

He’s the only supernova who wasn’t explored in depth yet

[ashen rose]

He's gonna do something

[sick dust]

Everyone else was pretty much completed

[thick mango]

The moon murals imply the birkans have connection with whatever the ancient ancient lore is

[keen falcon]

I don't think those would overlap much at all other than shanks vs blackbeard

[ashen rose]

Ig lodestar or elbaph can reintroduce him

Or

Enel

Imagine him teaming up with emel

Enel*

[thick mango]

Maybe but some of these will be tiny kaido flashbacks. Also idk if I agree that they're all necessary

[ashen rose]

I wonder what enels purpose in the final war will be? Outside of just being the best character

[rain cedar]

[thick mango]

If the answer is just some loved one was killed by pirates I don't need to see that from akainu

[sick dust]

There is the mother flame

[keen falcon]

I feel like we should've gotten that by now if it's super simple

[sick dust]

And how Vegapunk said there was a missing piece of having unlimited energy

[keen falcon]

I'd hope we have more reasons to care about akainu than senor pink

[ashen rose]

It'd be cool to see him getting actually influenced by WG propaganda instead of just making him another parentless killer

[sick dust]

Perhaps Lilith could reverse engineer his dna like the warlords

[ashen rose]

"no, no one in my family died, but pirates are dangerous, have you seen the statistics?"

The world government is really good at that tbh

They got the whole world rooting for whitebeards death

[thick mango]

I think we haven't gotten it just because it's not necessary. I don't think we need the complete line of events to understand exactly how everyone is how they are now. I think it's fine for some people to just be as they are. Especially someone like akainu where it manifests in an uncomplicated way

[sick dust]

They are but Morgans has gotten unpredictable lately

[rain cedar]

The civilians hardly have a reason to root for pirates anyway

[keen falcon]

For some characters like Morgans I don't need to see their life story but for akainu who's the third biggest antagonist in the series I will be really disappointed if his entire character is "punch criminals" and we don't get anything else

[ashen rose]

I'm mainly talking about akainus past in that regard, influencing young people to the hate and violence, especially young teen boys is really easy and like, the number one target

[thick mango]

Morgans is gonna be like that dressrosa announcer guy and narrate the final war

[ashen rose]

Akinu is an incel

[rain cedar]

Akainu is gonna have a sad backstory lmao

[keen falcon]

I would be extremely shocked if he doesn't

[rain cedar]

Oda showed a part of his childhood in the sbs

And I think it was the roughest out of all the admirals

[ashen rose]

"I was just like you, you and I are not so different"

[sick dust]

Kizaru’s comment about killing a friend struck a nerve with him

[sick dust]

Akainu definitely did some heinous shit

To someone he held dear

[ashen rose]

I think that's just him realizing it was pretty psychotic of him to ask that to someone so calm headed as borsalino

[thick mango]

What's his hat say anyone know

[rain cedar]

Justice i think

Yep

[keen falcon]

Yeah he had a real fucked up childhood for sure

[ashen rose]

Oda got this man wearing the poorest outfit bro, either he was homeless or grew up somewhere not good

[sick dust]

I haven’t seen battles without honor and humanity but Kizaru and Akainu take up inspiration from those yakuza movies

[keen falcon]

He even called borsalino brother I think didn't he

He has a lot of very interesting history to learn

[ashen rose]

Can't wait for Imus backstory to be about how he was oh so miserable

I want imu to be just, the worst

[keen falcon]

As long as it isn't the cringe cuck story people keep pushing 😭

[rain cedar]

Imu is that one guy who won't have a sad backstory. He's literally the devil

[ashen rose]

The sad part of the backstory will be what he does to the people he mistreats

[keen falcon]

I don't believe that for a second with how he gets emotional and nostalgic and used to be buddy buddy