also-manga

[hasty sable]

He also just has a lot more to say to Sakazuki as an ideological enemy than Luffy

[golden jacinth]

I mean he definitely can be but then why is he undercover in the bb pirates then

[maiden saffron]

Interesting

[grand flower]

It’s actually because Sabo’s primary drive is that he hates being confined by rules and Akainus primary drive is he hats people who operate outside of the rules(the law)

[thin quest]

Sabo doesn't really regret not being at Marineford

[grand flower]

During the ASL flashback, Sabo tells Luffy and Ace he hates seeing people being confined by laws and arbitrary rules

That’s Akainus exact philosophy

[final trench]

Mornin

[golden jacinth]

I also want to play this where are you playing this

[royal orchid]

so Akainu is the final villain

[hasty sable]

Yeah, Sabo vs Sakazuki is a lock for me. There’s also the weaker fruit overcoming the superior one.

[thin quest]

no, his philosophy is absolute justice

[hasty sable]

Luffy will get his licks in though

[grand flower]

Absolute Justice is the philosophy of all Marines

[thin quest]

no it's not

[muted hedge]

at the end of the day it'll be everyone against Imu
including Sakazuki

[grand flower]

Akainus Justice is thorough Justice

[crude nebula]

Im suprised ppl call out koby before calling out the big ah snake in top 1

[grand flower]

Yes it is lmao

[hasty sable]

Absolute justice is what all Marines say. Akainu embodies that to its fullest.

[royal orchid]

aika has returned

[muted hedge]

thorough justice is his specific justice though

[golden jacinth]

Even though koby will be equal to luffy eos

[hasty sable]

Haha no

[royal orchid]

Koby is like a self insert oc

his main objective is to stop the main character

[crude nebula]

Inserted from chap 1 so its valid

[hasty sable]

I don’t know how that fight will play out but Koby will face Luffy in the end at least

[muted hedge]

don't sleep on Koby

he is the Marine's Luffy

[hasty sable]

And lose badly but he will stand up for his convictions against Luffy

[final trench]

Blue flame sabo

[crude nebula]

We’ll see a flash forward and Luffy/Koby will say they nearly killed eachother many times

[warm falcon]

its more fun playing together and/or comparing answers 🙂

[royal orchid]

I thought he was specifically the new era's Garp or something

[grand flower]

Absolute Justice is just the idea that Justice will prevail over evil and it’s the Navy’s job to make it so

[final trench]

I think it will be luffy vs akainu first then their fight gets stopped and sabo pulls up

[royal orchid]

the one on the middle on his phone

[hasty sable]

Luffy will get to have his moment with Akainu

He always does

Luffy has other people to fight though

[crude nebula]

Definitely as Luffy is running around getting his MC moments while Shanks is dying to BB

[final trench]

#true

[muted hedge]

Shanks won't die

i am sure of that now when we've got Garling and Shamrock too

[final trench]

But also thats the only way i can see it happening unless akainu loses in 2 separate 1v1s

[thin quest]

thorough justice is the same translation as absolute justice, the characters Oda uses can be interpreted both ways

[muted hedge]

Shanks will be defeated, but not die

[final trench]

Shanks is dead mane

[muted hedge]

he isn't

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard is going to have to pull something cheap to win against Shanks

[golden jacinth]

😐

[crude nebula]

I mean sure but the important part is Luffy will be fuming either way when he gets to BB

[royal orchid]

bro thinks Shanks is going to let Blackbeard get within 3 km of him

[golden jacinth]

Bb low diffs him

[final trench]

He will

[muted hedge]

yeah, Luffy is going to put him through the ringer tenfold

[royal orchid]

after last time? his observation haki has a built-in Black Beard sensor

[golden jacinth]

Bb is top 2 rn (dragon is always top 1 ) but i just cant prove it yet

[final trench]

Dragon #2

[muted hedge]

there's no established list, lol

[final trench]

He needa start using it

[golden jacinth]

Okay with this too but he's my goat 🥺

[hasty sable]

Bounty scaling 😎

[final trench]

If we bounty scaling then buggy like top 5 blawd

[fervent fable]

Black blade > god devil fruot

[muted hedge]

bounty scaling doesn't work either, considering everyone doesn't have a bounty

[hasty sable]

Yep

I am an unashamed bounty scaler

[muted hedge]

and it's just redundant since so much more factors into a bounty

[crude nebula]

Bb the earth god + the blood soaked serpent vs Luffy and Loki/other Ancient weapons??????

[golden jacinth]

Dragon top 1??🔥🔥

[hasty sable]

Therefore Kid and Law > Loki

[muted hedge]

since when was Blackbeard the earth god, lol

[royal orchid]

remember when Dragon said they are going to mobilize and then proceeded to just steal food

[hasty sable]

And Shanks > Blackbeard

[crude nebula]

Who would you think the earth god is

[golden jacinth]

He's the sea god or the earth god

[muted hedge]

i don't think he is either

[golden jacinth]

🤔

[dense haven]

archer do you think drago is zaza

[muted hedge]

if anything Blackbeard is the interpretation of Nika which is the destroyer

[hasty sable]

Nah

[crude nebula]

Cause Imu is just the forest god, he has his own theme like the other gods

[muted hedge]

i don't know, but certainly not Blackbeard

[grand flower]

Show me

[dense haven]

do you think hes gonna fight imu

[vernal ravine]

the one who put luffy the same bounty as kid and law was just trolling

[final trench]

To save luffy

[grand flower]

Tbh I think that’s smoker

[hasty sable]

It’s possible but not by himself

[final trench]

Technically, yes

They nerf luffys bounty on purpose iirc

[muted hedge]

Kilingham's MMA of Nika literally looks like Blackbeard

[crude nebula]

Can be both

[final trench]

But kidd and law are dangerous people

[grand flower]

Jarul said the only thing they know for sure about nika is that he comes with white clouds and jolly laughter

Smoker’s smoke looks like billowing clouds a lot

[crude nebula]

Buggy-Loki-Luffy-Blackbeard

[hasty sable]

Luffy had to die twice to kill Kaido while Kid and Law only used one life

They equal

[grand flower]

And now he’s accompanied by a marine unit that’s always laughing and having a raucous time

[golden jacinth]

Who do you guys think is coming to elbaf

[royal orchid]

best I can put dragon on is a fruit of that serpent thing from the mural

koya mural

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1497454280242757662/image.png?ex=69ed9479&is=69ec42f9&hm=7abc1f47d89258c9ce1521f78dfa107baae4b9b0cf28020cf0c31d36fb65fd40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1976&height=1443

[grand flower]

And that unit is from base G5

[warm falcon]

i retyped...

[muted hedge]

i don't think Loki is apart of the conversation anymore, since he is already established to be something which isn't Nika

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-teach-one-piece-pirates-anime-gif-20035100

[muted hedge]

Buggy, Blackbeard and Luffy could definitely be each interpretations of Nika though

[grand flower]

Luffy - Smoker - Buggy

[golden jacinth]

Dragon will come to elbaf and force imu back where bb is waiting and he defeats imu
This is what i think will happen

[crude nebula]

Well he called himself the sun god for a reason

[final trench]

Cloud god smoka

[muted hedge]

well it was said that a lot of people on Elbaph did that as they strive to be the 'sun god'

i mean Road did too

[grand flower]

Logia Awakenings have already been hinted to be extremely destructive too

[final trench]

I think that has to do with rocks convo

[ashen perch]

Another good Archer take??? What's going on

[crude nebula]

Rocks did say “if anyone has the power to destroy the world, it’ll be Harald”

[final trench]

Loki said rocks was like nika who destroys the world, but rocks said harald can destroy the world with the fruit + the galleila

[final trench]

So since loki ate the fruit, in his mind he is the sun god

[thin quest]

this is literally the phrase pulled from his vivre card

[ashen perch]

But its true, Oda himself is a bounty scaler, 98% of the time you can actually use the bounty as an indicator of strength

[muted hedge]

keep in mind Rocks didn't know who or what Nika was

[final trench]

I believe he did, he just doesnt think he needs nika

Different ideologies and such

[royal orchid]

Nika → Luffy
Poseidon → Shirahoshi
Nidhogg → Loki
Lili → Vivi
Davy → BB
Zaza → ???

[thin quest]

Thorough Justice and Absolute Justice are the same thing

[crude nebula]

Zaza -> Lili -> Vivi

[muted hedge]

Vivi is definitely my first contender for being the current Zaza

it would just line up with Imu's desire too

[ashen perch]

Vivre cards are wrong then

[crude nebula]

The dance powder/rain dance thing just convinces me it has to be Vivi

[thin quest]

?????

[golden jacinth]

Lili was zaza like joyboy was nika

[ashen perch]

Oda himself used Thorough Justice as the phrase in a SBS lol

[thin quest]

it's just a matter of translation preference

[muted hedge]

yeah that too

[vernal ravine]

wit the current bounties loki is below kid, zoro is below crocodile and shanks stills below big mom, so debatable

[grand flower]

These don’t look the same to me

[thin quest]

[ashen perch]

Oh thanks you posted it

[prisma yacht]

Back to semantics

[grand flower]

Theres overlap in absolute and thorough because both mean “completely”

[ashen perch]

It's not a matter of translation, its a different phrase altogether

[royal orchid]

quite interesting, I thought people would be saying that zaza was dragon but a lot of the responses were vivi

[ashen perch]

"Thorough Justice" (徹底的な正義, Tetteiteki na Seigi)

[grand flower]

Yo it’s actually craxy people say this a lot when talking about LITERATURE

[muted hedge]

Sengokus justice was absolute right?

and then Sakazuki has thorough

[grand flower]

Absolute Justice is the navy motto in general

Which means “justice above all”

[ashen perch]

All accurate indicators of their strength

[grand flower]

But then there are individual interpretations of what Justice means

[muted hedge]

yeah but it came from Sengoku's time as a fleet admiral right?

[grand flower]

All marines follow absolute Justice

[grand flower]

Never really established

[muted hedge]

hmm

[grand flower]

We don’t know much about the navy’s origins in general

[muted hedge]

shame really

they're interesting

[grand flower]

We’ll find out

[royal orchid]

@fallen meteor but that 2% is vagabundo

[grand flower]

All we know is that it’s bound to be related to Wano

[ashen perch]

Loki is weaker than Kid. BM is stronger than Shanks. Zoro is weaker than Crocodile. I fully believe this.

[dense haven]

arsal please

[grand flower]

Fuck it, why not

[thin quest]

are we serious right now?

[crude nebula]

And law is stronger than luffy

[thin quest]

that must be a troll post

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/was-pops-wrong-gif-3182952423299865297

[vernal ravine]

Loki one shots Kid, Zoro can beat Crocodile and Shanks beats Big Mom

[dense haven]

arsal do you think kid would fare the same way against imu like we just saw loki doing

[ashen perch]

Crocodile's case is ambiguous but let's be real, he didn't return just to lose to Zoro

[thin quest]

Kid is dead

[ashen perch]

He's going to be a real, significant threat

[crude nebula]

Yeah and since Shanks oneshot Kidd Big mom no diffs imu

[ashen perch]

It wouldn't surprise me to see him going toe to toe with an Admiral in the future

[vernal ravine]

Crocodile will be buffed but never stronger than Zoro or Sanji

[muted hedge]

Crocodile never found out who Mr. Prince was right?

[crude nebula]

You say that when he has 2x the bounty rn

[grand flower]

“Kid is dead” might as well store your milk next to your heater

[sturdy steeple]

BM is fine, Croc is debatable and Loki... Nah.

[vernal ravine]

Buggy has a higher bounty than Luffy

[grand flower]

Technically every slur is allowed, but you only get to say it one time

[vernal ravine]

Buggy > Luffy

[crude nebula]

Bring up another one buggys a joke

[ashen perch]

BM is Kaido's equal, who's also stronger than Shanks
Loki is being toyed with right now, which I think would happen to Kid too probably
Crocodile is going to be a lot stronger than what any of you are thinking

[sturdy steeple]

What is a slur
Can you give me an example

[royal orchid]

usopp

[grand flower]

Caucasian

[ashen perch]

98% cases I said

[final trench]

Zoro would decimate crocodile

[thin quest]

[crude nebula]

Post Elbaf maybe but rn Crocodile mid diffs Zoro

[ashen perch]

You can say the name of Big Mom's YC3 for example

[sturdy steeple]

So you can't say more than one? 😢

[ashen perch]

Oh meant to reply to Keep

[final trench]

Kaido and bm> shanks tho

[grand flower]

I said YALL can’t

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/giannis-giannis-antetokounmpo-giannis-allstar-allstar-weekend-nba-allstar-gif-15955513232910404951

[vernal ravine]

already said others Kid and Law more bounty than Loki

[sturdy steeple]

Shuron thinks he's HIM

[muted hedge]

i don't know, i think it's evident that Imu is toying with Loki here because of Loki being the Nidhoggr and that has peaked Imu's nostalgia

[crude nebula]

Special bounty

[muted hedge]

i think Imu would've dealt with Kid more or less like how they dealt with Zoro and Sanji

[grand flower]

I don’t even toe the line anymore

[crude nebula]

Any non niche ones?

[final trench]

Also kidd would get did worse than loki rn

[grand flower]

I just go for it

[sturdy steeple]

As you used to say

[crude nebula]

Cause Kidd and Law deserve a 1.5 each anyway

[sturdy steeple]

KISS

But with different letters involved

[final trench]

Loki got stabbed in his chest (mind you he’s not fully healed) and got back up and is still fighting

[vernal ravine]

Big Mom more bounty than Shanks and Mihawk

[royal orchid]

what's the matter vague boy, afraid you might say something

[crude nebula]

Okay then she wins

[sturdy steeple]

I ain't vague
You gotta KISS
NOW

[ashen perch]

Sure, it doesn't change the fact that he's being utterly toyed with, Imu's not even focused on him while fighting him. Loki's literally complaining about not being taken seriously

[thin quest]

bounties are more than power scaling, they also reflect a character's overall threat beyond just their personal strength alone

[ashen perch]

Loki's getting embarrassed beyond what I expected

[muted hedge]

yes and i am saying that Imu wouldn't do the same against Kid since Kid hasn't gotten anything which would remind Imu of the past

[crude nebula]

Son

[muted hedge]

Imu would look at Kid like they looked at Sanji and Zoro

[stone terrace]

Arsal youre unreal

[final trench]

Kidd is not surviving a nemesis stab to the chest

Rest

[ashen perch]

Off guard

[stone terrace]

Getting toyed with us what luffy did to lucci

[final trench]

The WG supporters are unreal

[muted hedge]

this is more so because Imu's body isn't made to function in the lower world, like Sommers told us

[crude nebula]

Son

[royal orchid]

metally nerfed guys keep up

[muted hedge]

Imu blocked that attack

[inner agate]

Dragon beats all of them

[thin quest]

Kaido and BM bounties reflect their overall manpower and crew size/capability as well

[sturdy steeple]

Anything's possible if Shanks actually one-shot Loki but

I don't think that's what happened

[final trench]

Sengoku and akainu are top 1 ig💔💔💔

[crude nebula]

Thats him inside the explosion

[muted hedge]

yeah, but he blocked the impact of Loki's attack still

[ashen perch]

I mean maybe if Kid reminds him of Jika from Void Century, but seriously that's besides the point. Imu dealing with Kid quickly or toying with Loki, both would require him to exert the same amount of effort really

[ashen perch]

He's in front of it

[thin quest]

we can't seriously be still defending Kid

[muted hedge]

i think that Kid would be dealt with like how Sanji and Zoro were

[crude nebula]

According to who

[ashen perch]

That's why he's totally clean in the panels that come after it, not one blast struck Imu

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/four-diablo-diablo-iv-diablo-4-mikolaj-gif-5686844552844073549

[crude nebula]

Lokis clean to did he block it

[thin quest]

Imu got blasted back into the Adam tree

[grand flower]

Yeah but when you’re a meathead who just fights for the most part instead of being a Robin or crocodile archetype what’s that rell us

[muted hedge]

Loki isn't clean, that explosion we see there is the one which hit him

[grand flower]

Tell

[muted hedge]

Loki got bombarded

[grand flower]

Kid’s 3 billion and law’s 3 billion are probably very different in the math

[crude nebula]

Son imu too look at em

[royal orchid]

do we think imu actually got hurt guys

[muted hedge]

yeah but Imu blocked the attacks while Loki didn't

[sturdy steeple]

Kis is definitely a guy that can go toe-to-toe with admirals

[grand flower]

I’d take kid’s bounty as a powerscaling thing cause all he does is go around getting into scraps

[inner agate]

Imu wouldnt leave the holy land and risk his life fighting top tiers

[stone terrace]

Yea but not badly

[thin quest]

yeah and BM and Kaido have bounties that reflect their crew size and capability, those are baked in. it's not DBZ power level.

[inner agate]

Loki and Luffy are nothing

[sturdy steeple]

I think the bounties make it clear lol

[stone terrace]

Him taking damage is an important fact

[ashen perch]

Its very very easy to point out the exceptions to the bounty scaling rules, the 2% that I talked about

[crude nebula]

The explosion still covers em meaning it landed

[sturdy steeple]

Like all admirals are 3B

[muted hedge]

no

[final trench]

#nah

[ashen perch]

Buggy, 8 year old Robin, Chopper for example, those have nothing to do with strength

Although I imagine Buggy's definitely a case of perceived strength too

[thin quest]

power scaling using bounty totals alone is disengenous at best

[crude nebula]

Yes

[inner agate]

Sabos bounty needs justice

[vernal ravine]

if you got one shot by a top tier you aren't even near to give fight to a one

[thin quest]

I can't believe people actually think this way

[rustic coral]

https://youtu.be/D0iQ9WuvxXc?si=hTDc912oBedWqx-n

[thin quest]

[final trench]

So akainu beating shanks? Shonnnn

[grand flower]

Yeah Theres definitely nuance involved but I do think for some characters, it functions basically as a power level

Jack and Katakuri for example get their bounty reveals to communicate “these guys are immense powerhouses” imo

[rustic coral]

He did my idea 😔

[final trench]

Sengoku beating shanks? 😭

[crude nebula]

That a very fair take

[final trench]

Fair bro fairs

[inner agate]

robin beats sabo

[rustic coral]

@ashen perch he stole my idea 😔

[final trench]

World Government FC youve done it again 💡

[inner agate]

fishman karate > fire

[thin quest]

it's also partially that they're affiliated with Kaido, I don't read anything into bounty totals personally

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-bye-bye-car-bye-guys-going-home-gif-14948725240974532425

[crude nebula]

❤️ yall too

[final trench]

Kong is high diffing shanks

https://tenor.com/view/skull-explode-gif-25528415

[grand flower]

I don’t blame you, don’t get me wrong. I’d still say it was used the same way a power level is used for them, but it’s not exactly consequential because they just end up displaying their power anyway

@ashen perch can I spoil invincible real quick to make my point :3

[ashen perch]

Threat level for almost all characters individually is defined by their battle strength, there's some level of nuance there but for the most part its very indistinguishable

[grand flower]

Wdym?

Oh nvm I get you

You’re saying the cases of bounties=/=strength are so far and in between we may as well treat it like a power level

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/buzzer-alesha-dixon-amanda-holden-simon-cowell-britain's-got-talent-gif-8976357544528389493

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[thin quest]

gross and wrong

[grand flower]

I’d say I agree because that line from Kuzan Feeld more like Oda wanting his cake and eating it too

He wanted a flexible power level to use becausw it’s an easy device for battle shonen

[sturdy steeple]

I honestly don't know why would Oda make a case of giving Kid a high bounty EQUAL to that of an emperor's if that wasn't for his strength.

[grand flower]

Even toriyama who pioneered the power level plot device also was EXTREMELY flexible with it

[final trench]

This is just disgusting admiral upscale

[crude nebula]

Ts all started with Boa vs Crocodile

like both are Warlords but one got 1.9 while the other got 1.6 so Crocodile is obviously stronger

[vernal ravine]

they literally said it he is too dangerous

[sturdy steeple]

He doesn't have that many affiliations and his fleet did not seem all that big. He is literally one ship with bunch of randoms lol

[final trench]

Im saying

Kidd got his bounty from crucifying joe shmoes

#unethicalhoops

[grand flower]

Crocodile is an example of nuance because they straight up say his intelligence is a major factor of his bounty

[sturdy steeple]

3B?

[rustic coral]

ARSALLLL

[sturdy steeple]

That's a lot for just murdering people. Surely there must be something to back it up... Ahhhhh, oh yeah, maybe STRENGTH?

[grand flower]

Luffy, law and kid have their current bounties because it’s 9 billion divided by 3

[ashen perch]

Yeah pretty much, he wants there to be an indicator of strength whilst also making it clear that it isn't universal, to give himself some room for specific cases

[vernal ravine]

do you guys think a guy really thought yeah im giving the same bounty to two guys who had to coop to beat a old big mom and a guy who beat prime kaido

[grand flower]

Kaidos and BMs bounties add up to 9 billion

[vernal ravine]

the bounties are whatever marine wants

[hasty sable]

Bounties function as basically a diegetic power level system unless specified

[crude nebula]

Luffy should be 4.5 while kidd/law should be 1.7 then

[grand flower]

Yeah basically he’s saying “use your context clues” but the problem is he forgot he was talking to shonen fans

[grand flower]

What my nigga

[sturdy steeple]

Old Big Mom and it's Big Mom fighting prime Kaido for several days lol

[ashen perch]

I'll check it out later smh, can't watch a video atm

[royal orchid]

people who vote for Luffy on the pop vote he like

[crude nebula]

2.25 mb

[grand flower]

What’s got you so busy? Checking out feet at the nursing home again?

[vernal ravine]

Kid had a higher bounty than Luffy in Sabaody cause he killed civilians

[thin quest]

can't believe there are fans in the community with such a low brow view of this manga, sad to see

[vernal ravine]

they never talked about strenght

[grand flower]

It’s got poop jokes

And dick and balls jokes

[thin quest]

that has nothing to do with what I just said

[crude nebula]

Enlighten them you genius guy

[sturdy steeple]

And then Kid and Law had a better case of deafeating a Pacifista lol

[grand flower]

SN the phrase dick and balls is so funny to say I love the way dick and balls roll off my tongue

[stone terrace]

Theres several reasons for luffy being higher than both kidd and law but i chalk it up to the wg trying to hide how prominent the guy with the nika fruit is

[sturdy steeple]

There was still strength to back it up.

[ashen perch]

It's not a low brow view of the series, its an analysis of intent

[sturdy steeple]

He just murdered people on top of it.

[grand flower]

The thing about murdering people is that kid had the strength to get away with it lol

[crude nebula]

Hide it from who genuinely theres js the four emperors who already know him

[grand flower]

He slaughtered civilians and people couldnt apprehend him

So it’s still an indicator of power

[sturdy steeple]

I didn't even want to mention that because I was hoping it's obvious lol

[thin quest]

it's a pirate manga, bounties reflect the perceived threat by the WG and they don't always reflect the actual strength orders

[grand flower]

Lolol fair enough I’m sorry I ruined your machinations

[ashen perch]

Oda has a clear intent with how he utilizes the bounties in the series, its fine to recognize that. It doesn't make the manga any lesser(?) or whatever

[grand flower]

@ashen perch you didn’t answer my question

[vernal ravine]

the same law that is heavily humillated by Doflamingo has the same bounty as Luffy who does what he wants with Doffy once he use Gear 4

guys be serious

[grand flower]

They trained for two months

[sturdy steeple]

Same Law?

[ashen perch]

On invincible? Oh yea its better to just post and tag it in #western-series

[grand flower]

It’s so funny you framed law as “getting manhandled by Dofy”

[sturdy steeple]

That happened like 4 arcs ago

[ashen perch]

It was anything but the same Law

[grand flower]

And not the law that was hurting Kaido and big mom lol

[stone terrace]

The world at large

[ashen perch]

Also tbh people forget that Law did pretty well against Doflamingo 1v1

[vernal ravine]

yeah the law that got the same bounty than Luffy is Dressrosa is humillated

[grand flower]

This is unironically ableist against my autistic hyper fixations

[hasty sable]

He got stronger

[thin quest]

wasted breath at this point

[hasty sable]

Current Law would have Doffy scared

[royal orchid]

the world at large? who are they hiding from

[ashen perch]

He nearly killed Doflamingo, until Doflamingo pulled out his own version of regeneration

[vernal ravine]

probably

[royal orchid]

so it was a hax battle

[grand flower]

You don’t know that Dofy has been doing exercises in jail. Using the weight of the sea prism on his body as weight

[sturdy steeple]

I feel like we have a very different interpretation of Law back then. Law was doing exceptionally good lol

[grand flower]

Dofy does crunches that are imperceptible to the human eye he calls em butterflies

[stone terrace]

Eggman_slap.gif

[hasty sable]

Doffy would literally be sweating bullets if law appeared in front of him now

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/law-big-mom-trafalgar-law-puncture-wille-shock-wille-gif-15327745213163719394

[ashen perch]

Doflamingos gonna be a lot stronger too when he comes hack, he'll be the 2nd strongest Warlord imo

[sturdy steeple]

And even then it took Law and Luffy's attack combined to heavily injure Doffy. And theeeeen G4 Luffy still managed to run out of time

[thin quest]

Law wouldn't even scratch Doffy

[grand flower]

The “hiding Nika” excuse for the 3 billion belly bounties has always been a bad reading that exists just because people want to downplay kid and law

[hasty sable]

Prison training upscale

[sturdy steeple]

Mihawk, Boa, Weevil, Law are all jokes to you?

[grand flower]

They have the same bounty becausw those three were needed to take down BM and Dofy

[royal orchid]

why didn't law hit doffy with the big mom cooker 5000 shock wille instead of that shit ass shock wille

[grand flower]

Remove Kid or Law, the raid fails just as it would if you remove Luffy

[sturdy steeple]

Regardless, we're talking about current Law

[grand flower]

They have the same bounty becausw victory was a team effort. That’s it

[hasty sable]

He hadn’t come up with Kroom yet imo

[sturdy steeple]

That made a fucking hole in Wano lol

[ashen perch]

I mean Mihawk is #1, Weevil's got ways to go, Boa will be close and I guess I wasn't counting Law, fair on him

[grand flower]

Broke Big Mom’s arm

[royal orchid]

wait I love mountainscaling

[grand flower]

Law would probably liquify Dofy now lol

[vernal ravine]

someone tell sabo to be carefull cause surviving the whole Gorosei and Imu is tough but he needs to be careful with Dorry whose bounty is + 1200m higher

[hasty sable]

Law and Kid gave ridiculous feats in Wano no matter how you slice it

[warm sierra]

post Impel Down breakout Doffy? Dont think so

[hasty sable]

They repeatedly took multiple big hits from two emperors

[sturdy steeple]

It's not mountainscaling. He didn't cut a mountain there

[royal orchid]

upside down mountain

[final trench]

Doffy is not gonna be stronger than weevil 🙏🏾

[sturdy steeple]

He made a hole deep enough and big enough to drop two emperors there lol

And he was like up above in the sky

[dense haven]

holescaling

[golden valley]

Underselling it

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/funk-flex-yeat-prisonshowers-gif-27124279

[golden valley]

He made a hole that extended in Wano’s magma chamber while above

[sturdy steeple]

His holes do be big

[ashen perch]

I forget that Law was a warlord, yeah he's #2.

Kuma's kinda a sleeper option too, I think he's going to be incredibly powerful when he's back fully running

[royal orchid]

so who's hole is stronger

[sturdy steeple]

Exactly

[golden valley]

And Wano is deeper than it is wide

[sturdy steeple]

I'm pretty sure Boa is stronger than someone that got apprehended back in Dressrosa

[ashen perch]

Kuma's gonna beat some HK, maybe one of the stronger ones

[sturdy steeple]

Because unlike the other warlords like Moria and Croc Doffy never had the same situation. He's locked in with no access to getting stronger.

Let's be real.

[ashen perch]

Until Oda gives Boa ACoC as he should, idk just yet

[hasty sable]

If we count Doffy and Croc boosts then we count Law boosts

[golden valley]

Boa should be the 2nd strongest Warlord discounting BB

[sturdy steeple]

Weevil is very likely stronger if they compared him to young WB but that's debatable.

[royal orchid]

WEEVIL will return

[ashen perch]

Young WB isn't prime WB so I mean

[final trench]

Facts

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah but like

[final trench]

Greenbull took off weevils fat

[ashen perch]

I wouldn't overrate him on that alone

[final trench]

I will

[sturdy steeple]

There's a reason why they compared him to WB specifically

[thin quest]

Impel Down breakout 2.0 incoming

[ashen perch]

I think he's a guy with potential

[final trench]

He’s compared to the strength of a man with earthquake powers

[ashen perch]

Basically

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[final trench]

[ashen perch]

He'll get stronger, equal to his dad's prime at some point

But not yet

[sturdy steeple]

Well anyways

There's BB too, yeah

[final trench]

If he gets smarter then hes >>>>>>

[ashen perch]

BB was a warlord for like 6 hours

I don't really count him

[sturdy steeple]

Long enough to be considered one

[royal orchid]

I'm on the shower so I can't go grab his post liposuction image this time

[sturdy steeple]

Jinbei is also stronger.....

[golden valley]

Weevil can have Prime WB physicals

[final trench]

You’re on the shower

[vernal ravine]

weevil is a clone he'll never reach his "dad" but he is strong enough to be a warlord

[golden valley]

What weevil lacks and why he’d lose to Prime WB is

Haki

[final trench]

Then WHO

[sturdy steeple]

Than Doffy

[dapper tree]

You

[golden valley]

And then a DF that he cant match

[final trench]

True

[final trench]

Im not even gonna say what i would do to jinbei if he ever tried to challenge me

[royal orchid]

I wish jimbei fought at least once in the final saga

[golden valley]

But the thing is, maybe Weevil can significantly surpass Prime WB’s level of physicality, after all how old is Weevil? I doubt he peaked yet

[sturdy steeple]

Oil, lemon, garlic?

[ashen perch]

I'm sure Jinbe's gonna get atleast 2 major final saga fights

he'll get a BBP and a Gorosei, trust

[vernal ravine]

Jinbe vs Greenbull is happening, just wait

[sturdy steeple]

Arsal, I'll be real with you

He's not getting a Gorosei

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/racism-gaming-inside-joke-fortnite-gif-24469340

[royal orchid]

he's just going to be watering the plants

[tranquil blade]

I used to think cipher pol 0 would be the WG antags for the weaker strawhats

[golden valley]

I lowk think Jinbei vs Killingham is happening

[sturdy steeple]

Not because I find him weaker or anything but I'm pretty sure he's gonna be fighting the strongest HK.

[tranquil blade]

but I guess the holy knights fill that role better now huh

[royal orchid]

wait what the fuck Avery

[sturdy steeple]

Or one of the strongest.

[tranquil blade]

Hi!

I’m back

[vernal ravine]

people can laugh at Jinbe rn cause Oda is clowning him but he will deliver, just wait

[sturdy steeple]

You mean Zaza?

[stone terrace]

Water = its your time jimboner

Jimbei helps zoro or sanji and robin helps the other

[dense haven]

why are people hyping jinbe against a summon

[sturdy steeple]

Because it's made out of water

Jinbei upscale

[final trench]

Jinbei vs vasco shot? 👀

[sleek viper]

!linbe

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/687483842428272695/linbei.png?ex=65dfe8b8&is=65cd73b8&hm=9743371d8a3071c5207e442ec4a4805a66b304538bf68f1946cf5e798e482a59&

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-luffy-eating-zoro-scream-apple-gif-1279395095072759106

[dense haven]

its fucking pokemon

[tranquil blade]

It’s the strongest summon presumably

[stone terrace]

Its a legendary pokemon

[golden valley]

See this can unironically happen, the scenario is that: Killingham sees the Rain God Fruit in action, sees its actual power and conjures the true strength of Zaza or near

[stone terrace]

This is like lugia showing up

[ashen perch]

He is.

[golden valley]

Boom

[vernal ravine]

the other option i have for Greenbull is Yamato

[sleek viper]

Wait ppl thinking Jimbe would go up against Zaza

[tranquil blade]

Does he fight the fat one

[golden valley]

Jinbei has a strong ass opponent

[sturdy steeple]

No, that's gonna be a holy knight.

I see how Oda operates.

[tranquil blade]

Uhh Warcury?

[sleek viper]

Wait nvm its Oda he immight do it

[royal orchid]

what if they become good friends guys

[ashen perch]

Warcury yeah

[tranquil blade]

I think was his name

[dense haven]

jinbe should've been turned into a homie in wci

[golden valley]

Bm is stupid for not using water as a homie

[sleek viper]

They were hinting on Zaza being difficult to control I think shes gonna snap out of it nd switxh sides

[tranquil blade]

Maybe it doesnt work on water

but clouds are just condensed water vapor…

[knotty root]

Wasn't that already there

[ashen perch]

Gorosei are going to be SH opponents, every single one. They were conceived as antagonists since the very beginning for them

[tranquil blade]

So maybe

[golden valley]

That would be weird but maybe the sea already has a soul hmmmm

[royal orchid]

she recognizes nika in Luffy, goda

[final trench]

Outta all mons

Crazy

[knotty root]

Didnt she have a tsunami up her arsenal or smth

[tranquil blade]

Well I mean cause the sea is antithetical to df powers

[sturdy steeple]

Gorosei are the top of the chain of the WG. Just like the calamities of Kaido's were. Not every SH is getting a fight with them.

[golden valley]

She used another homie to make a tidal wave

[sturdy steeple]

That's why Holy Knights exist

[knotty root]

Ah

[ashen perch]

She did homify the water in WCI

[sturdy steeple]

Just like F6 existed in Kaido's crew

[final trench]

Lugia showing up is the equivalent to me running for president

[vernal ravine]

i still think there is a possibility that Killingham is a fishman but he was lobotomized into think he is not

[tranquil blade]

It was a candy homie in the shape of a wave wasnt it

Made by Peros?

[vernal ravine]

in that case i can see a Jinbe fight

[golden valley]

But we know df’s can effect the sea

[final trench]

They getting jumped then

[ashen perch]

Wcis water is odd

[final trench]

Its 5 against 9

[sturdy steeple]

I'm pretty sure Sanji is taking out Killingham at this point.

It's hard to see otherwise lol

[ashen perch]

Its like candy, its not supposed to be work like seawater

[golden valley]

Actually wait, WCI’s “water” had syrup didnt it

[ashen perch]

Yeah

[golden valley]

Yeah

So that makes sense

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/oven-gif-18216537

[dense haven]

its truly over for jinbe people dont even pit him against the villains anymore, hes relegated to fighting a minion

[fallen meteor]

Can Sanji kick Zaza

[ashen perch]

Well not all SHs

[urban lodge]

No

[final trench]

If zaza is a woman then no

[sturdy steeple]

And what villains left we have in this arc

[final trench]

But jinbei or franky got it

[royal orchid]

wranky

[sturdy steeple]

Someone has to take this calamity Killingham spawned.

[ashen perch]

I am doing it

[sturdy steeple]

I'm betting it's gonna be a team of the SHs though.

Not just Jinbei.

[golden valley]

Zaza will switch sides

[past flax]

Winbei

[sturdy steeple]

I don't think she'll switch sides but she might go berserk lol

[golden valley]

Why emphasis killingham not being sure if it can be controlled

[final trench]

Jinbei a traitor

[ashen perch]

We're facing serious anti Jinbe bias atm, we the Jinbros, but it'll be fine. They can be in denial all they want to.

[golden valley]

Tht works too

But i think shes sentient

[ashen perch]

We'll win, and he'll take out a Gorosei, the strongest BBP (in raw power), and help out against Qilingham

[final trench]

“We the jinbros” least obvious fed

[golden valley]

And knows who her enemy will be

[ashen perch]

Jinbe's one of my favs smh

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-undercover-cop-undercover-skateboard-gif-23665571

Yea sure bud

[vernal ravine]

Jinbe was purpossely nerfed to monster trio to shine we won't fall in anti jinbe propaganda

[golden valley]

Plus it was accidentally conjured out of fear knowing shes a threat to WG

so id say she has a target

[sturdy steeple]

Oda made Holy Knights just that the other SHs could fight them in the future

[grand flower]

MMA is TCB and sleeptid is viz or is that the other way around

[sturdy steeple]

And you're saying Gorosei are the ones who ALL SHs are gonna fight

[sturdy steeple]

Correct

[ashen perch]

Some other, yes

[knotty root]

If we remove gunko out of teh equation there's 7 holy knights left

[woven talon]

TCB has never used MMA

[knotty root]

So sanji zoro and luffy could probably find some other opponents to fight in the final war

[woven talon]

MMA is raw Japanese

[knotty root]

But I doubt this'll be the case

[ashen perch]

Not Zoro, Sanji, Usopp, Nami and Jinbe.

[woven talon]

TCB uses Dream Demon

[scenic dirge]

What does MMA stand for

[woven talon]

And viz uses Sleeptid

[sturdy steeple]

Sanji, Zoro and really strong folks will take out Gorosei.
Jinbei and the rest are locked in for HKs.

[royal orchid]

mixed martial a

[woven talon]

Basically dream demon

There was a note when they debuted

[scenic dirge]

I forgot 😔

[dense haven]

ok but what does it mean

basically dream demon is bdd

[ashen perch]

The really strong folks are called Nami, Usopp and Jinbe

[royal orchid]

I think it wasn't explained

oda just put MMA

[dense haven]

huh

[royal orchid]

conclusion is that oda is a hack

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, Nami and Usopp for sure

This guy.....

[rustic coral]

Oda just likes MMA

[final trench]

Jinbei needs an invention from usopp

[royal orchid]

I mean mixed martial arts is cool

[modest musk]

next color spread better be usoop climbing a tree

[ashen perch]

"MMA" (Mūma) is a likely pun on "UMA" (ユーマ, Yūma?, "Unidentified Mysterious Animal"), a Japanese term for cryptids, as well as muma (夢魔?, incubus, lit. "dream demon"), referring to demons that appear in dreams/prey on the sleeping

[ashen perch]

Yeah for sure

[dense haven]

uma mentioned??

https://klipy.com/gifs/tsurumaru-tsuyoshi-uma-musume--k01KRK9XVX73FS8KTYB0WQJE1AS

[royal orchid]

wonder why muma has a ? on it

[ashen perch]

The JP text has it, which is probably because they're not sure about how its written I guess

[woven talon]

There’s a pokemon called muma too

Same connection I think

[royal orchid]

-# hi also-pokemon

[royal orchid]

oh misdreavus

interesting

[craggy vapor]

how long is this gif

[fallen meteor]

A whole movie

[woven talon]

Okay so UMA is what they use in Japan for cryptids

Basically animals that don’t really exist or aren’t proven to exist

[sturdy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-horse-girl-umazing-thumb-up-gif-15731209575560032684

[woven talon]

MMA pronounced muma (basically dream demons)

So viz focused on the cryptids connection and replaced the first half with sleep

To connect to dreams

While TCB focused on the pronunciation of MMA

And got dream demons

But o guess ultimately you just have to understand they’re unexplained dream creatures

[royal orchid]

both arguably correct

[woven talon]

Yeah, I mean that’s usually the way with translated terms

A lot of the time it ultimately boils down to the vibes you’re going for and who your audience is

So long as it’s being conveyed clearly I think it’s okay

Some terms don’t get translated at all though to not lose the flavor

I was actually concerned viz might translate out zaza

To like plop-plop or something 😅

[royal orchid]

oh god

[woven talon]

Which wouldn’t be wrong but would feel weird since it’s a name and not a category

[royal orchid]

what did you think of them scratching out tzitzimitl

[woven talon]

I think the fact that OP is ongoing makes all localisers approach with caution as we’ve all been burned before

When a name like Nekomamushi comes around, how do we know if it’s a name or a title?

We won’t until years later

[woven talon]

I’m disappointed because I think the Aztec reference is cool

And worth maintaining

But it’s not wrong

[native seal]

we cant even post TCB panels here no more huh

[stone terrace]

Stephen skipped skypiea

[woven talon]

It just becomes something that’s obscured

[woven talon]

For now yeah. I don’t think anyone wants to risk it.

[stone terrace]

Its over.

[woven talon]

Although maybe older material will be okay one day for comparison. Still I think it’s best to just type out things like this because no one wants to ruin the server 😓

[royal orchid]

this is interesting

portuguese viz kept it

note says: "In kanji, solar eclipse bombardment"

[woven talon]

Each localization team is unique and none have contacted with Japan or each other

[stone terrace]

Viz not doing TL notes sucks lol

[tranquil blade]

I feel like some things being translated purely to english kinda makes it lose some of the meaning

Unfortunate

[woven talon]

Yeah the reading is just tzitzi… …mitl— in two bibles, the kanji was eclipse explosion

[tranquil blade]

Sure it’s not John Werry bad but it’s nice to know what Oda might have been trying to reference sometimes

[stone terrace]

We should get john werry for a week

That would be hilarious

[woven talon]

When there’s a choice between the kanji and the reading, I think it’s best to focus on the reading if it’s a reference or to combine them

Because in the anime you won’t ever see the kanji

[royal orchid]

this werry guy is just a scourge on the community's history huh

[worn beacon]

i hope all of imus attacks are allusions to gods of revenge and stuff in different mythologies.

[woven talon]

When you hear them shout attack names

[tranquil blade]

Fuck no

[tranquil blade]

He’s the black sheep of viz translators

[royal orchid]

wait john werry is the nah I'd win guy

[stone terrace]

Yes

[tranquil blade]

The first chapter he started translating for yknow that series he was already messing it up

[stone terrace]

I remember they brought in some guy named lightning to do one jjk chapter and it was immediately so much better

Everyone crashed out

[craggy vapor]

this is foreshadowing the invasion of Pangea Castle by BB

[stone terrace]

[tranquil blade]

They just did that to give the community false hope

It’s like psychological torture

It is that deep

[unkempt dagger]

“Get ready Lafitte…”

[hazy turret]

Hmm

[royal orchid]

dragon holding the door and saying "marijoa's full."

[hazy turret]

I like that

[tranquil blade]

He thinks he leon

[stone terrace]

Idk if itll be an invasion

[royal orchid]

!sorry

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/660200350749425688/1007704105340391494/unknown.png

[stone terrace]

But he'll be in mariejois definitely

[golden jacinth]

After dragon comes to elbaf to save everyone and forces imu back we see bb waiting there for imu and he says i have returned

And he kills imu

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard is the final villain

I already accepted it

[urban lodge]

Bitchbeard would never invade Mariejois head on

[unkempt dagger]

Holy Knights are under new management!

Say hello to Peakbeard

[tranquil blade]

He is going to somehow kill Imu and take his power

[dense reef]

BB ain’t gonna take Imu’s power till Luffy does the dirty work for him

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-foaming-spit-fountain-chokin-gif-3478205091906401377

[tranquil blade]

Well I dont deny that

He is a coward

[dense reef]

It’s BB 101 to wait for someone else to finish the enemy off

[craggy vapor]

idk about Dragon. He could be erased from the seriea and nothing would change

[tranquil blade]

but that being said

He’s still gonna do it

[golden jacinth]

😐

[unkempt dagger]

I just imagine Imu has a storage full of powerful devil fruits… only for BB to release all of them to his pirate army

[stone terrace]

All his main guys got fruits already

[hazy turret]

A bold claim

[dense reef]

I think Luffy vs. Imu will be a 1v1 while the fight against BB will be a full on raid battle

[stone terrace]

Unless we wanna see don krieg and gin with god fruits

😭

[unkempt dagger]

Don Krieg with a Df oh the heavens have blessed us

[tranquil blade]

Blackbeard could theoretically give all of his crew the depths contract at that point

[urban lodge]

Shouldn't it be the other way around

[tranquil blade]

or at least whoever is left

Maybe Omens too

[dense reef]

Maybe ig

[tranquil blade]

Just to boost them enough to be real opponents to the strawhats

[stone terrace]

Omen boosted immortal shiryu might finally be a match for zoro

[unkempt dagger]

The Omen wont be invisible bro is cooked

[dense reef]

Just to get to Zaza level…

[dense haven]

bb fans so jealous of imu

[maiden saffron]

Sabo dies
Luffy gets captured in loguetown
Revolutionary army does not exist
Shanks and Shamrock don't survive or atleast turn out the way they end up

a few things i can think of immediately

[hazy turret]

Something like that would never happen since now we know zoans choose their user lol only the chosen are selected

[tranquil blade]

I mean if Don Krieg ate the goat zoan it would awaken immediately cause he’s the goat but anyways

[dense reef]

Still have no idea how Devon copying Saturns appearance will play into things. He’s dead, so unless her fruit somehow allows her to copy a bit of Saturns powers it’s useless

[maiden saffron]

don krieg don't need a fruit to be the goat

[royal orchid]

shanks would be a celestial dragon

[tranquil blade]

True

[dense haven]

she copied the abyss mark

[dense reef]

Ah shit, they gonna reverse engineer it

[tranquil blade]

Could be used to manipulate the seraphim

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-laughs-with-him-squid-game-frontman-squid-games-gif-12706163951404966053

[royal orchid]

rokaya doesn't believe in don krieg

[hazy turret]

Oda doesn’t believe in him either

[tranquil blade]

Sleep with one eye open, Don Krieg got shooters

[royal orchid]

why is he in egghead arc then

[unkempt dagger]

This is Don Krieg’s dominion

[hazy turret]

Folk

[royal orchid]

don krieg showed up more recently than your goat Kidd to be honest

[craggy vapor]

I mean present Dragon erased.

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-fortnite-thinking-trying-not-to-laugh-smiling-gif-12861870368381362412

[hasty sable]

Blackbeard taking Imu’s power away is actually something that could happen

[hazy turret]

The bar is that low huh

[stone terrace]

Lmao?

[royal orchid]

arguable relevance

[maiden saffron]

what does this mean

[hasty sable]

Thematic tether between Yami Yami and the Devil’s Fruit

[dense haven]

post ts buff kireg vs kid who wins

[maiden saffron]

you want to erase present dragon and keep old dragon?

[hasty sable]

In which case Blackbeard could use Omen

[royal orchid]

blackbeard using a pseudo omen would be hype

[maiden saffron]

it's ironic that one piece fans are the ones who can't wait for stuff considering this series is nearing 30 years of serialization

[unkempt dagger]

Yami Yami fruit + Omen

[maiden saffron]

dragon was looking east long before you were born

he will be looking east when your child is born !

[tranquil blade]

Omen boosted depths contract Burgess ripping out an island sized chunk of the red line and throwing it

[craggy vapor]

it means you kill him / send him to the shadow realm / burry him / lock him up in Impel Down, and the series would continue like if he was there.

[dense haven]

yall why do bb fans want him to always get sloppy seconds in everything

[urban lodge]

My hatred for BB grows with each passing day

[tranquil blade]

It’s in character for Blackbeard

[unkempt dagger]

BB chose his own sloppy seconds after ChadKainu left Cancerbeard on 1hp

[stone terrace]

Fr on that BB already got one recycled fruit

I want something new

[royal orchid]

penny do you hate davy

[urban lodge]

As in Davy Jones or the idea of the Davy Clan?

[maiden saffron]

okay so what you're saying is that since dragon hasn't made a move in the current era (that is shown on screen and is given a lot of importance), he's a useless bum that could not exist and nothing would change

have you considered waiting until he does something

[tranquil blade]

He hates Xebec

[maiden saffron]

perhaps your opinion changes

[urban lodge]

I think the Davy clan thing is the stupidest thing I've ever read in my entire life

[tranquil blade]

Idk if he hates the original Davy Jones he’s barely a character rn

[maiden saffron]

what davy clan thing

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[urban lodge]

Them existing at all and what it means for Blackbeard's character

[unkempt dagger]

Any ties to the Davy clan… whether it was sole intervention or an entire race of characters the WG would erase it

[craggy vapor]

yes but I lost interest in him, so did Oda it seems. The promised day will come even while Dragon still doing nothing

[hazy turret]

I mean that’s kind of his thing. Thieving and underhanded, anything to get ahead even at the expense of his dignity

[knotty root]

My bets on the Davy clan being the former rulers of the ancient kingdom

[maiden saffron]

do you actually believe oda "lost interest" in the leader of the revolutionary army, the world's worst criminal and only direct threat to the world government?

[hazy turret]

😭😭😭😭😭

[fallen meteor]

I see those Zolo posts here and im always excited someone has a new crazy theory

[stone terrace]

I guess its a parallel between father and son

Marshall is a fake name so people dont make the rocks connection

And rocks was a fake name so people dont make the davy connection

[final trench]

Ofc the WG supporters hates a group of knowledgeable people

[craggy vapor]

world’s worst criminal is so 2002. Remember, Dragon is no part of the mural, so he is irrelevant when it comes to the promised day.

[final trench]

Whats new

[fallen meteor]

He is the rain on the mural

[fallen meteor]

New dragon fan cope just dropped 2026 new patch still working

!mural

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/164971940648321024/1497454280242757662/image.png?ex=69ed9479&is=69ec42f9&hm=7abc1f47d89258c9ce1521f78dfa107baae4b9b0cf28020cf0c31d36fb65fd40&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1976&height=1443

[royal orchid]

Zaza is the rain on the third world

she's coming

[fallen meteor]

There it is

[stone terrace]

The mural doesnt show the future god damn it

[final trench]

#true

[fallen meteor]

I think the mural isnt prophetic ye

No future

[final trench]

From a kids dream

[royal orchid]

the mural is just oda's fanfiction

[final trench]

But its 50/50 tbh

[fallen meteor]

Oda wont make a longlegs clan that will be relevant to Luffy's endgame

[final trench]

Chill brah

[fallen meteor]

Its true

[final trench]

It might be some hitters out there

[urban lodge]

Seriously though, an entire clan of people who for some fucking reason know basically the entire history of the world except for nika for convenient reasons and are allegedly descendants of what they claim was the previous king of the world (I'm not sure if this is supposed to be exposition or their biased view on their ancestor)

[fallen meteor]

They are on the mural but its the past

[hazy turret]

??

[royal orchid]

on everyone's soul the dog human above emeth is Yamato

[fallen meteor]

Hes right

[stone terrace]

Its very blatantly mapped to the first and second world

[final trench]

It is not confirmed that rocks doesnt know about nika, just that destroying the world is not what he wants to do

✅

[fallen meteor]

He? Idk i never thought about Icons pronouns

[stone terrace]

I go by himothy

[fallen meteor]

Himothy

I see

Himothy is right

[royal orchid]

can you imagine being named Jimothy

[hazy turret]

I don’t remember the not knowing about nika thing

[fallen meteor]

He asks "Nika?" when someone is talking about it to him

Loki i think

[hazy turret]

But I mean if they were these suuuper knowledgeable group of people that were basically royalty, they sure paid the price for it

[craggy vapor]

no lol, this is just Laboon’s fountain

[dapper tree]

Other Meek's real name

[dense haven]

laboon is zaza

[fallen meteor]

I dont see it going up

[fallen meteor]

Actually wait

[hasty sable]

I don’t think the Davy clan know the full history

[fallen meteor]

Spice might be on something

[craggy vapor]

because it was up and is falling down

[stone terrace]

Do we all accept half moon = D by now

Like it cant be any other way

[hazy turret]

They probably know the side of the story that concerns them

[hazy turret]

Absolutely yeah

[final trench]

Yes

[strong wadi]

Im guessing they just call him by a different name

[dense reef]

I connected it to the Kozukis more so than “D”

[final trench]

🌗🌗🌗

[hasty sable]

Even the Davy part is implied by Imu to not be the full truth

[strong wadi]

Poseidon Vs Neptune type shit

[fallen meteor]

Legit cant know that so we are tied

[royal orchid]

ᗡ

[fallen meteor]

!mods illegal tech

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/1213179020192256050/image.png?ex=65f48802&is=65e21302&hm=1942e7e0e6e904c758cfcc338a0b3aaf5748f4b88335b8ca669695fcfdc234d1&

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-16704359049532500273

[craggy vapor]

there is no reason why the water drops are above Laboon otherwise

[fallen meteor]

Because its close to the sky

To rain

[royal orchid]

it's dragon

[fallen meteor]

Man why is laboon even up there

I mean its not even true laboon right

[royal orchid]

dragon has zaza powers

[fallen meteor]

Some ancient whale

Uhh Labeen

[royal orchid]

he sent laboon there

[dapper tree]

Dragon is still a wind paramecia

I won't back down

[fallen meteor]

Oda will draw Dragon with a veil

[craggy vapor]

because he can fly, just like Emeth

[fallen meteor]

Bellydancer Dragon is real

[royal orchid]

he's the #1 contender for rain God fruit user

next to vivi for some reason

[dense reef]

Im glad people have stopped saying shit like BB will be the moon god

[hazy turret]

Is this about the moon?

[stone terrace]

The half moon

Ai sourced though take it with a grain of salt

[hazy turret]

Fairs

[royal orchid]

at least Gemini adds "sources" to where it plucks the words

[fallen meteor]

Claude solve one piece make no mistakes

[royal orchid]

so you can check

[ashen perch]

It makes sense though

[fallen meteor]

Maybe its like

[craggy vapor]

why is that a perfect straight line?

[ashen perch]

They've got a Davy centric perspective that's been passed down generations, they didn't actually know the entire history of the world at all

[final trench]

🌗because its a small glimpse into the future

[hazy turret]

Mariejois was promised to them 800 years ago

[fallen meteor]

A full moon ○
One half is the D. from the Nika side
The other half is the D from the Davey side
Two D. families

[dapper tree]

Dragon has nothing so people will give him anything

[fallen meteor]

Ying and yang type deal too with light and dark

Balancing eachother

[worn beacon]

Wanna know what scares me? at the end of the void century flashback, when joy boy or davy joens die, they say before dying somethign like 'my will shall be passed on' and everyones gonna scream "NEPO PIECE, CHOSEN PIECE, LODA FELL OFF, LODA IS A MISOGYNISTIC, PEDOPHILLIC, RAPIST, SEXIST, TRANSHOPIC [insert every bad thing you can think off]"

[royal orchid]

I mean he's been the rain god fruit OR wind fruit OR mythical serpent serpent Zoan for years

[ashen perch]

Its no crazier than what the Shandians knew for example, they knew they had to fulfill the will of the ancestors but they had no clue why or any further context. Ofc the scope of the knowledge are different but still

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-atla-avatar-the-last-airbender-water-tui-gif-3007855573727353714

[fallen meteor]

Both together = toppling true void in whatever Omen is

[final trench]

Exactly

Luffy and BB working together

[dense haven]

and akainu

[final trench]

Blackbeard uses the yami to weaken imu, and luffy uses his imagination to do the best damage possible

[royal orchid]

almost made me want to watch ATLA again but I have no time

[craggy vapor]

the true rain god is obviously this

[final trench]

A whale fishman? Fairs

[royal orchid]

hi also-pokemon

[hazy turret]

No one had a problem with inherited will before learning that the “inherited” part was literal

[latent hamlet]

The inheritance brain waves is real

[stone terrace]

I just wanted the boy with the rubber fruit to not be connected to fate

https://tenor.com/view/mysillycomics-yea-yeah-gif-24158576

[timber glacier]

Same

[hazy turret]

Was fmi the first arc Oda started dropping hints ?

[latent hamlet]

Meanwhile every older long lived character

That rubber boy....he's doing the fated thing that guy mentioned

[hazy turret]

I guess woopslap might’ve said some vague things

[dense haven]

I just wanted luffy to be a silly rubber boy and not a literal god

[latent hamlet]

Wasnt whitebeard even like "this kid interesting, lets see what kind of new era he'll bring"

[distant vine]

Im ok with it

[hazy turret]

Someone is gonna say Luffy is still silly rubber boy and he will reject the title and responsibility of being a god incarnation but like

He’s still that

[distant vine]

Its a been a while since Gear 5 and I havent felt strongly about all that

[hazy turret]

I think most of the pre ts was vague like that yeah

[ashen perch]

Its interesting how much is lost due to Viz's terrible early translations, this is from Chapter 99 and Viz (on the right) decided to totally ruin the translation to an absurd degree.

Total coincidence that I happened to post this right now to be clear, I saw this earlier on Twitter

[latent hamlet]

They didnt mention fate but they were all like

"This kid kinda interesting. Been a while since I've seen some1 with that kinda attitude."

And were basically all interested in seeing his career

https://tenor.com/view/senator-palpatine-anakin-skywalker-phantom-menace-gif-10607636

Literally just this

[distant vine]

Whats the context

[ashen perch]

A blatant Void Century reference just gets erased because these idiots had no clue what they were doing

[hazy turret]

Yeah but it wasn’t hinting at some fate or chosen destiny stuff

[hazy turret]

How were they supposed to know bruh it was over 1000 chapters ago

[ashen perch]

This is two chapters before The Legend Begins, when the SHs enter the Grandline

[latent hamlet]

O ye it wasnt
But its still a sense of "this guy can become someone GREAT"

[hazy turret]

Yeah I gotchu

[ashen perch]

How did fan scans know from the same time?

[hasty sable]

Fate is real if you believe Imu

[latent hamlet]

I think people are soured with destiny and fate because of Naruto

[hasty sable]

Too many coincidences

[ashen perch]

Not at all

[royal orchid]

believe in Mu's plan and all shall succeed

[hazy turret]

They didn’t do it on purpose, they didn’t know it was lore related

[ashen perch]

Loguetown is very blatant with this stuff like the panel I posted above

[distant vine]

VIZ version is so hard to parse lmao

[hasty sable]

The prologue to Luffy’s story and the epilogue to Roger’s

[hazy turret]

I’m not even a viz supremacist

[royal orchid]

I hate viz

[distant vine]

Leemme see how Stephen Paul said it

What volume is 99 in?

[ashen perch]

Sanji asking Zoro if he believes in a higher power, Woopslap pondering if its Luffy's dream or destiny to be a pirate king, Smoker saying that its almost as if a higher power is pushing Luffy forward whilst noting the similarities between him and Roger, then the anime added some things as well

There's a lot

Volume 11, Stephens translation is much much better from what I can recall

I'm a Viz supremacist when it comes to current Viz, with Stephen as the translator

[hazy turret]

The first one is irrelevant
Woopslap comment I acknowledged
I don’t remember that smoker moment

[ashen perch]

What Viz did to the first 60 volumes of the series should be grounds for criminal prosecution

[ashen perch]

No its not irrelevant lol, its said after Luffy's magically saved by a lightning strike

And no, Dragon did not cause that lightning strike, he's a wind guy

[stone terrace]

He did

Indirectly

[ashen perch]

Much better

[hazy turret]

You’re not gonna believe this about lighting

[stone terrace]

It kinda goes without saying you dont point metal up high when its stormy

[distant vine]

I wish Stephen Paul was able to go through all the volumes he didnt do

[ashen perch]

He didn't cause the storm either

[hazy turret]

You’re NOT gonna believe how lightning happens

[ashen perch]

I know, it wasn't Dragon's intentions atleast

[hazy turret]

Son.

[distant vine]

A definitive way to experience one of the greatest and most popular stories of the modern age? IMPOSSIBLE

[ashen perch]

We'll know soon enough, Dragon's never done what he did at Loguetown

It was a coincidence

allegedly* did at Loguetown

[stone terrace]

https://is1-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Podcasts112/v4/b8/0c/f3/b80cf317-d7d9-e77b-7826-3411d0e5b386/mza_7338007705591288111.jpg/1200x1200bf.webp

Greg and stephen directors cut when its finally over

[distant vine]

I think Greg had a take I disagreed with

[ashen perch]

If he could cause a storm, cause rain to fall, he would have been able to save the residents of Gray Terminal from what was described as an attempted Holocaust by Oda. All he could do was a wind blast through the trash.

[distant vine]

Oh yeah he called the Carrot fans furries

[hazy turret]

So I’m supposed to accept shanks being involved in the FT break out because it’s more realistic, but a lightning strike just HAPPENS to save Luffy

[ashen perch]

"Zoro could've already beaten Mihawk in the timeskip"

Oh wait that lol

[hazy turret]

I didn’t say he caused the “storm”

[distant vine]

Oh yeah lol

Yeah thats quite silly too

[hazy turret]

Even though I think it’s possible for him to if Oda wanted

[distant vine]

But Stephen Paul at least I dont have any disagreements with to my knowledge

[ashen perch]

Yes

[distant vine]

Damn but I do want him to have rain powers if he has a wind DF...

[stone terrace]

Translator should stay in his lane

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-gif-5676038700371371386

[distant vine]

If he cant make it rain then I choose nothing

[stone terrace]

If he said anything too controversial thats arguably grounds to get fired lol

[ashen perch]

Destiny is acting in the favor of Luffy and strongly against Imu, that is the whole point

[distant vine]

Surely he can give a take on the non official podcast he frequents