also-manga

[grand flower]

Imu WANTS to claim the OP and end the war

He’s willing to SETTLE for delaying it another few centuries by erasing everything because he’s getting desperate

But he knows that’s just a temporary measure

The only permanent measure is just having the OP himself

That is the ONLY way to ensure that someone using it against him is no longer and inevitability

We know this is his mind sight to btw

For a fact

[ashen perch]

What about destroying the OP?

thats also just as permanent

[grand flower]

He tells Mercury and the Elders before leaving Marijoa, they can’t keep coping with things being coincidence

[glacial bear]

Imu once the One Piece is real

[grand flower]

They have to accept that these conflicts were inevitabilities

[sick dust]

750 is a random ass number when 800 is the consistency mentioned number

[grand flower]

Imu wants a permanent solution

[grand flower]

Who does bro think he is

Oh okay

[ashen perch]

lmao

[opal gull]

just like the WG has been trying to get the Gomu Gomu no mi but they never can

[ashen perch]

I think he meant 25 years ago when it was found, so 775 will be the right number really

[grand flower]

I said 750 because I was accounting for the 20sumn years between Roger finding the OP and current year

[grand flower]

Yeah I couldn’t remember the exact number

[ashen perch]

yea it was 25, and 24 years ago he gets executed

[grand flower]

But my point is that Imu spent almost 800 years with the luxury of “impossible”

Roger smashed that apart

In the 25 years since, things have been rapidly falling apart

[sick dust]

So we ain’t gonna give rocks credit?

[opal gull]

now that I think about it

maybe Imu cannot read poneglyphs

[rustic moat]

Hi

[ashen perch]

but yea as I was saying, I am just disagreeing with the idea that he needs to actually claim the OP. I feel like the endgame to him has always been building a world in his vision that has none of what could possibly oppose him.

Mu's own perfect little world

[ashen perch]

most likely yeah

[glacial bear]

Hello

[ashen perch]

I imagine the language is a cipher

[glacial bear]

You have a good point

[opal gull]

Joyboy added that stuff so Imu cant get it

[ashen perch]

a cipher that has to be cracked, not a language that can just be learnt

[opal gull]

there has to be more that we might get to know

something preventing Imu

[clever idol]

I always assumed he couldnt read them

[opal gull]

wait i kinda forgot, how does this debate mean BB is the final villain

[clever idol]

Which leads to more paranoia

[opal gull]

wasnt that what was the debate in the first place

😭

[clever idol]

Why cant bb and imu be the final villains

[ashen perch]

it was, it was also about the egghead ending spread

[opal gull]

You mean both?

[ashen perch]

Shuron thinks that the people depicted there are all seeking the One Piece

I think its more complex than that

[opal gull]

I've never felt it that way

pretty different way to look at things

[ashen perch]

you've got both the ones seeking it out and the ones preventing it from being found imo.

[opal gull]

Shuron

[opal gull]

yeah

[ashen perch]

as for the Revos, Dragon is coming to Elbaf

[sick dust]

Speaking of the One Piece what happened to that in real life treasure hunt?

[ashen perch]

and he is going to talk with Luffy about it

[opal gull]

The navy will try to stop the pirates from finding it

The revos will stop non SH from finding it I guess?

[hazy turret]

Is it break week

[sick dust]

No

[dapper tree]

1

[hazy turret]

Marvelous

[opal gull]

[hazy turret]

I’m on mobile

[opal gull]

L

how have you been

[ashen perch]

theres a chapter this week, no chapter next week

[hazy turret]

Fine I suppose

[sick dust]

How do you know

[opal gull]

thats good to hear

[sick dust]

Brief spoilers and full spoilers aren’t even out

[hazy turret]

What’s the meta in the server these days

[opal gull]

last I remember you didnt know how to make rice

[hazy turret]

You’ve broken my heart you have

[hazy turret]

That’s so 2022

[sick dust]

No wait there is a brief spoiler

[ashen perch]

brief are out

[opal gull]

yeah

there is

when tf is the full spoiler even coming

[clever idol]

Yea

[opal gull]

last time it was here already iirc

[pulsar timber]

Hating your wife

[opal gull]

I have BB being the main Rival for the OP

but then he loses and Luffy gets the One Piece and after that we have Luffy fighting Imu and the WG

[opal gull]

her wife?

[pulsar timber]

My wife. I hate my wife

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

Oh I thought you were serious

I thought we were talking Oden/Roger/Kuma potentially

Judge maybe

[pulsar timber]

She took the kids. But at least I have my one piece collection

[ashen perch]

btw

an important detail about Brook Flashback II that I only discovered today

His crew died to certain ''very powerful pirates''

I forgot about that honestly

I thought he said a certain famous crew

not powerful

[opal gull]

what are you implying by this?

[ashen perch]

I just think they will be important to this flashback, could be the Rocks Pirates even

[opal gull]

Oh

I think if they were famous, it could be Rocks?

but wasnt his crew fodder? so anyone stronger is Powerful

[ashen perch]

eh they arent exactly fodder lol, we've never seen Yorki fight

[opal gull]

oh yeah

isnt Yorki the guy some people said might be Greenbull

[ashen perch]

Brook himself ofc, isnt fodder at all lol

they did yeah

[glacial bear]

How come?

I thought Yorki is dead no? Plus he would be really old if he’s still alive

[ashen perch]

yeah no it didnt really make any sense

it only existed because Yorki's Jolly Roger had a bull and he wore a green coat

[opal gull]

oh yeah

it was just a theory flying around back then

[sturdy steeple]

it's one of those shot in the dark type of theories

[opal gull]

From #manga

[sturdy steeple]

Like you can make 100 stupid theories and one of them might land

[opal gull]

they now make their own polls

[ashen perch]

remember the Ushimaru theory lol

[opal gull]

LMAO

[sturdy steeple]

Oh my gooood

[celest mauve]

poor jinbe

[opal gull]

Ushimaru man

what even was that

it was certain youtubers pushing it so much

[ashen perch]

he had a bull on his kimono

[rose brook]

imagine believing in stupid theories

[opal gull]

it became mainstream

[sturdy steeple]

Wasn't that like a Morj video too

[ashen perch]

and guess what the anime did?

it made it a.......GREEN Bull.

[celest mauve]

tfw even ricardo was better than admiral ushimaru

[opal gull]

Some were like Ushimaru is Zoro's dad, others said he was his brother

They would meet up and Ryokugyu would turn out to be like Fujitora, secretly agaisnt the current system

[ashen perch]

Plus all admirals are based on JP actors so people thought hey why not a Wano one this time? Also, because people thought he could fight Zoro because he's green while Kizaru fights Sanji cause he's Yellow.

[sturdy steeple]

I just remember Morj being like "oh Fuji is actually from Wano because he has a jp influenced attire and that could also mean GB is Ushimaru!!!!"

Meanwhile Fuji at Dressrosa "who the fuck is Foxfire Kinemon"

[ashen perch]

Yeah Morj was a big fan of the idea lol

[opal gull]

yeah

also cause they were hired at the same time

[glacial bear]

HELL HEAH

[opal gull]

and Ryokugyu was friendly with Issho as well

when they meet at Marijois

[opal gull]

so that theory was popular

[sturdy steeple]

OP fans desire for the new characters to be already established ones cannot be underestimated

[ashen perch]

they really believed that Silhouette = Known Character when its just not true

[sturdy steeple]

It's even funnier because like

We've seen like 10 different characters in the series having Wano inspired clothes

And they're not from Wano

Not even close

[hot cairn]

oh for real? That’s great

[sturdy steeple]

Yano is realllll

[sturdy steeple]

Briefs are out lol

[hot cairn]

@ashen perch @grand flower I was reading your argument and something both of you haven’t brought up is that the war 800 years ago didnt start with the One Piece. Vegapunk talks about how the war never ended because of the ancient weapons still hidden throughout the world. The war doesnt end with just finding the OP, VP claims the OP is needed to end the war.

[hot cairn]

Ah dang

[hot cairn]

4 years ago it was even impossible to slander Jinbe

[ashen perch]

these new fans..............................

[hot cairn]

how times have changed

[ashen perch]

true true

[hot cairn]

the war was a conflict of 2 different ideologies, we don’t know what yet but this didn’t start with the One Piece.

[celest mauve]

jinbe doesn't really do shit to stand-out

he beat who's who and since then it's been firefighting duty on the side

[sturdy steeple]

I'm honestly fine with other SHs shining less than Sanji and Zoro but Jinbei being paired with the weaker SHs is somewhat infuriating. Mind you, that's the guy who has a bounty higher than Sanji and Katakuri.

Like he should be one of the pillars of the crew but he gets left behind like a fire hydrant or a carrier.

That doesn't fit him at all.

[celest mauve]

the more this goes on, the more I think he should've stayed a major SH ally

[sturdy steeple]

It was nice for him to have some spotlight in the beginning of the Egghead but never again, lol.

In Elbaf he gets caught by a HK and his plan was to think about the ways to deal with the immortality. Buuuut that never really went anywhere because from the looks of it Sanji was the one to dismember Killingham.

So his thoughts led him to nowhere. Could've been easily avoided if that was his plan.

[hot cairn]

more proof that the war is not going to be only for the one piece @ashen perch @grand flower

[ashen perch]

that chapter was so great

but yeah I agree Jesus

[celest mauve]

please understand, oda-sensei was going to give himself an aneurysm if he had any SHs besides the monster trio handle the holy knights 😥

[hot cairn]

it was so hype, truly the first tease of what the future of OP holds

[ashen perch]

yeah, and Oda was going crazy with the art too

They way Gunko fought was really cool

[sturdy steeple]

I know how Oda treats the SHs in general but like

From what we've seen, every emperor has those three commanders that are the top of the chain.

[ashen perch]

Jinbe is part of them

[celest mauve]

mogged both sommers and killingham combined, but no she's going to turn out good or something of the kind because of brook

[celest mauve]

I guess because luffy will be the pirate king, only the next two strongest matter in the crew rather than the next three

[ashen perch]

well I think we'll get Brook v Gunko here atleast

so a little bit more of Gunko

till Shuri comes back lol

[sturdy steeple]

Shanks: Roo, Yasopp, Beckman
Kaido: Jack, King, Queen
BM: Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker
WB: Vista, Jozu, Marco
Luffy: Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei

It even fits thematically because Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei represent Earth, Sky and Sea themselves while Luffy is the sun.

But nope, wings matter the most.

[celest mauve]

I despise how much preference oda gives the wings

so imu stomping both of them made me happy

I know the rest of the SHs are weaker but maybe there will still be a way for them to shine with zoro and sanji out of the way

[sturdy steeple]

I'm fine with that. Yeah, we're fighting the big bad lads now, sure, we need the strongest people to handle those threats. But isn't JINBEI one of those guys????

At this point Franky gets more spotlight than Jinbei.

[celest mauve]

seeing this made me sad
https://fixvx.com/HugiLemonnier/status/2046916314837438582?s=20

Hugi (@HugiLemonnier)

🌩️👀
#nami #ONEPIECE

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 22, 2026, 11:37 AM

oda will never do anything this cool with nami

[leaden rivet]

Oda should’ve just made Yamato weaker than Sanji so it could all work out

I lowk feel like Jinbei doesn’t belong in the crew anyway never sat right with me him being in the crew

[strong wadi]

Dw she'll be weaker than him when she officially joins

[sturdy steeple]

I was really hoping we'd get Yamato with Zoro and Sanji surpassing her in the next arcs

[opal gull]

same

[leaden rivet]

Yamato was quite a bit stronger than Sanji so idk that might take a few arcs

[opal gull]

she will join soon before SH go to Laughtale

Momo comes flying in Dragon form and drop Yamato on the ship

[strong wadi]

You must change this opinion, you can't have the same opinion as me

[urban lodge]

Do nothing, get free ride to laugh tale

[sturdy steeple]

It feels reallyyyyy weird to have a character that always had a prominent role in the arcs narratively doing essentially almost nothing. And that's because in certain arcs SHs have to step down.

But it really fucks Jinbei up as a character.

[opal gull]

https://tenor.com/view/wano-onepiece-saturday-carrot-furry-gif-23806575

[leaden rivet]

He was definitely cooler as a SH ally

[clever idol]

Thats so boring. What if we have bb vs imu vs luffy. Bb will have info on where two ancient weapons are. He may not even need the op

[leaden rivet]

I never felt that he neeeded to be in the crew

[clever idol]

Actually its not boring its just expected

[opal gull]

yeah I hope its just as I expected

[urban lodge]

Wow I haven't seen this in ages, but also I'm not even a Carrot fan 😭

[clever idol]

And bbs desire is bigger than just the op

[urban lodge]

I do like Carrot tho

[opal gull]

you are one in disguise

[opal gull]

you dont just like her

you secretly want her in the crew

she is not deserving of it

[leaden rivet]

And yeah like you mentioned a lot of the times the minor strawhats aren’t allowed to do things until the monster trio steps in, or something else, which results in stuff like this

Ah wrong picture

[sturdy steeple]

Death penalty

[leaden rivet]

There we go

[sturdy steeple]

Fucking hell man

Nami begged Jinbei to do stuff, he replied that she should shut up because he's thinking

[opal gull]

It is, he is the perfect Rival for Luffy for the One Piece specially with all the parallels he has with him. But I see him being stopped right before getting the OP. Thats where his story ends and Luffy gets the win in the race for the OP

Then as we know the one with the OP can change the balance of the world and so on. Luffy will portray freedom and Imu is the opposite of that. So Imu vs Luffy will be the last fight

[sturdy steeple]

That's so funny in retrospective man

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/qkix/status/2046894515122995220?s=20

画狂 (@qkix)

I wonder where Shanks and Mihawk first met...🤔

X · Apr 22, 2026, 10:10 AM

[urban lodge]

Bro thought for 10 months just to end up getting freed by the person who captured him in the first place

[ashen perch]

I dont know, I feel like

the alternative is the HKs looking bad

[hot cairn]

[ashen perch]

which we saw was not well received either!

[hot cairn]

Yamato aint joining

[opal gull]

she will

[sturdy steeple]

What if Mihawk doesn't want to battle Shanks anymore because he doesn't have a mark

Hahaha what if

[ashen perch]

its great to see that they were able to handle the crew below Luffy, Zoro and Sanji atleast

and now we've got the boss here, so that he can handle those 3 too

[leaden rivet]

Which is a result of Oda making the mid tier strawhats not as impressive

[ashen perch]

no?

the HKs are impressive for that, it would be silly to say otherwise

[sturdy steeple]

Arsal, I agree but a casual fan will look at this and think that Gunko is the only one strong. Some prolly think she's as strong as an admiral lol

[leaden rivet]

What are you talking about Arsal

[leaden rivet]

[ashen perch]

the casual fan is a fucking idiot

[leaden rivet]

😅

[opal gull]

see the youtube powerscale polls lmao

they really be on something

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah and that's the thing

[opal gull]

[celest mauve]

idk about being as strong as an admiral or the only one who's strong, but gunko has definitely looked more impressive overall

[ashen perch]

But yea seriously, its just meant to present the HKs as a bigger threat. Robin went down quite easily to Sommers too even if she tried to be clever and you're not seeing me complain.

[sturdy steeple]

Sanji and Zoro handling them should mean that Jinbei AT THE VERY LEAST can pull this out. Even if he lost he should've been the one to propose the plan on how to defeat them.

[ashen perch]

Its not a real issue for the crew to lose here

its a real issue if they do not lose here

[leaden rivet]

Beating the weaker strawhats didn’t really make them seem like a bigger threat

[opal gull]

https://tenor.com/view/akakichi-no-eleven-bro-bad-news-i've-got-bad-news-for-you-hand-on-shoulder-gif-4737126791591033318

[ashen perch]

they werent the weaker SHs

[opal gull]

Jinbe has now joined the leagues of Nami Usopp

[ashen perch]

Robin isnt a weaker SH, Jinbe isnt a weaker SH, Brook isnt a weaker SH

[opal gull]

according to the casual fan

[leaden rivet]

Weaker SH is what I call anyone not in the monster trio

[ashen perch]

they all got easily handled by the HKs, it made them seem like a bigger threat

[leaden rivet]

No it didn’t

Not to anyone lol.

[ashen perch]

Jinbe is worth 1 Billion, Robin is worth 930M

[opal gull]

Luffy>>Zoro>>Sanji>>>Rest

[leaden rivet]

Wow the holy knights are really strong they beat Jinbei and Nami! Said no one ever

[thin quest]

Zoro=Sanji and we all know this

[opal gull]

Jinbe is the son of the sea

[leaden rivet]

In fact that’s like the bare minimum expectation people had for them

[ashen perch]

not true at all?

This is just blatantly false Illya

[opal gull]

If Jinbe fought them in water, he wins

[leaden rivet]

Well to you I guess

But not any one else

[sturdy steeple]

I think most expected them to rival wings including me.

[ashen perch]

No see, this is revisionism

[leaden rivet]

It’s not. Many were even saying they were admiral tier

[ashen perch]

the HKs were instantly seen as a threat because of what they did lol

[sturdy steeple]

Well no, I should rephrase myself. I expected SOME OF THEM to rival wings.

[opal gull]

I saw the GKs weaker to the Wings since the beginning

[leaden rivet]

That’s not why lol

[ashen perch]

BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY DID

[thin quest]

Nah, they're the wings of the future pirate king

[leaden rivet]

No

[sturdy steeple]

And from the looks of it, these three in the arc aren't really up to the level.

[ashen perch]

yes???

[leaden rivet]

They were said to be admiral level from they were introduced

Literally people started calling them admiral level from the silhouette

[ashen perch]

yes, but the way the HKs were moving reinforced that

[leaden rivet]

No it didn’t

[opal gull]

I always knew they wouldnt be that strong

cause then where would that leave the Admirals???

I just knew they would have some wierd powers that are hard to counter

[leaden rivet]

No one thinks they’re more impressive for being Jinbei and Robin lol

Literally no one but you

[ashen perch]

Illya this is pure revisionism

Everyone believed they were extremely impressive until after the flashback.

[leaden rivet]

It’s not. I spent so much time arguing they weren’t admiral level back when they were silhouettes

This has always been the bare minimum for them

[ashen perch]

Qilingham slander started like 3 chapters ago

Gunko still isnt even slandered at all

[sturdy steeple]

Yep

[leaden rivet]

Good point, they actually started getting slandered more once we saw them actually fight

I think that’s when people scaled them lower

[ashen perch]

no?

[sturdy steeple]

That's true. Killingham was thought to be a very threatening opponent (because Zoro should fight him duh)

[opal gull]

The only one I had that might be admiral level was Shammy

[ashen perch]

Qilingham got jumped, even the slander for him is unfair

entirely unfair

[leaden rivet]

Like before

Prior to them fighting the hype was crazy

[ashen perch]

no??

[leaden rivet]

And when they fought people think they’re bums now

Yes Arsal yes

[ashen perch]

QIlingham was impressive for his MMA monsters

[latent hamlet]

If he was a real threat, jumping wouldnt matter

[thin quest]

Sanji one tapped Qilingham, I'm not sure who it says more about. Sanji or the HKs.

[ashen perch]

that were threatening the entire island together

[sturdy steeple]

Jumped is an overstatement. He was handled by one person.

[ashen perch]

I dont think Franky and Jinbe were holding parts of his limbs for fun

[opal gull]

The GKs are like the Vice Admiral's we can say right?

[ashen perch]

they were obviously involved in the fight too

[ashen perch]

😭

[thin quest]

I didn't get that sense at all

[sturdy steeple]

They were because it was more convenient

They were dealing with the MMAs before that

[opal gull]

the thing is The GKs arent that impressive in fighting or Haki

its just that they have annoying fruits

[sturdy steeple]

I mean

[opal gull]

Once it got settled down

we took them out easily

[thin quest]

the fight very much read like Sanji one tapped him and the rest of the crew just chipped in to make sure he can't pull himself together

[leaden rivet]

Sommers getting one shot by Rayleigh didn’t help either

[opal gull]

their daddy had to come down to help em out

[ashen perch]

Why would Franky proceed to claim that ''we'' (pronoun used to describe a group) had just gotten too strong for the HKs then?

[leaden rivet]

Because they’re both strawhats? It doesn’t mean he was involved in the fight

[ashen perch]

if he wasnt actually fighting Qilingham offscreen

[ashen perch]

it does because this is right after they each claimed a different limb of his

[ashen perch]

38 years ago, irrelevant

[sturdy steeple]

I honestly thought of HKs to be the next step for the weaker SHs. Like most of them at the very least as strong as yonko commanders.

[hot cairn]

they’re buffed rn anyway so whats the issue here?

[sturdy steeple]

He was involved with his MMAs though. That does count.

[ashen perch]

but the point is, youre simply being revisionist by claiming that the HKs were not made to look impressive by beating the likes of Jinbe

you cant have it both ways

the crew has to look bad, for the HKs to look strong

[opal gull]

SAME

I was hoping Oda put more focus on the weak SHs in taking out the GKs by forming groups within the weak SHs

[ashen perch]

Imu just made Zoro and Sanji look TERRIBLE, which is again, necessary. He's moving to doing it to Loki and Luffy

[sturdy steeple]

I'm sorry but Sanji questions how the garbage like him could've been a threat to the entire country. He literally talks shit about his individual strength.

[ashen perch]

and what does Qilingham say

[hot cairn]

I agree, this is how I see them mostly. I don’t think they’re admiral level. But I think the three that we’re seeing now are definitely among the weakest by rule of Oda.

[ashen perch]

Keep on underestimating us. Because they were underestimating him.

[sturdy steeple]

That he will remember Sanji?

[opal gull]

he said that to make himself feel better and to make his respec better in Sanji's eyes

its when you get beat up and say oh I wasnt taking you seriously

[sturdy steeple]

He underestimated him because that's how he is without HELP. The reason why they're putting on the fight now is because of omen.

[ashen perch]

Sanji himself had help

[sturdy steeple]

To hold the bodies, man. Because it was more convenient that way.

We've seen with Sommers that it does take some time to regenerate.

[opal gull]

well we are yet to see how much of a boost this Omen thing is gonna provide

I still think they get beat by Zoro and Sanji

but they are down at the moment

[ashen perch]

an assumption

[opal gull]

so who knows

[ashen perch]

it was offscreen, they all were holding a part of him after it was all over

[sturdy steeple]

An assumption is to say they were directly involved in the fight when they were busy fighting MMAs.

[ashen perch]

Do you think Sanji broke him apart personally and then was like hey Jinbe and Franky

[sturdy steeple]

Yes???? Why not?

[ashen perch]

when thats not the implication of the scene at all?

Again, Franky was specifically talking about the HKs when he said that WE had gotten too strong for them. That was a scene that depicted 3 men taking care of one man no matter how you look at it.

That, by definition, is an unfair fight

[sturdy steeple]

I don't really think it matters honestly whatever that was. The implication here was that HKs individually don't pose a threat to the likes of Sanji and he even got Killy mad.

[ashen perch]

Qilingham would have regenerated, if it wasnt for them

thats undeniable no matter how you put it

[leaden rivet]

It doesn’t matter when, it affects people’s perceptions

[sturdy steeple]

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't because it takes time.....

[ashen perch]

people gotta use their noggins

[sturdy steeple]

It takes time for one body part to get to another. It doesn't magically happen in a second.

[ashen perch]

it doesnt if theres no ACoC

[opal gull]

Zoro even blew away Nusjuro while not even wearing a bandana or using 3 swords

The Wings will not get beaten by mere GKs, they are a Yonko crew now

have some respect

[ashen perch]

it does happen pretty instantly lol

[opal gull]

guys

[ashen perch]

also Qilingham wasnt mad at the defeat, he was chilling and telling them to keep on underestimating us

he was mad because he's racist and didnt appreciate the torture and humiliation

[opal gull]

well we will see how strong they are now

in a few chaps

[hasty sable]

You would think the only reason GKs exist is to give other straw hats something to do an yet they’re dismantled

[ashen perch]

they dismantled the crew earlier in the arc

[opal gull]

they surprise attacked and had hostages

[ashen perch]

no?

[opal gull]

after it all settled down

we got them quick

[ashen perch]

no.

[opal gull]

tied and crying

[ashen perch]

Zoro and Sanji just werent there, thats literally it

[opal gull]

https://tenor.com/view/see-me-fall-manchester-united-zidane-gif-24597778

[hasty sable]

Killingham was taken apart of page

It’s over for them

[ashen perch]

jumped by 3 men

[sturdy steeple]

He was mad because Sanji humiliated him, yes.
And we can see why he was telling him that they were underestimating them. Imu literally made all the work.

[ashen perch]

mighty impressive I guess

[sturdy steeple]

The reason why they will be putting any work now is because of Omen.

[ashen perch]

they didnt know that Imu was actually coming

[hasty sable]

These guys are just goons without Imu

[ashen perch]

so this doesnt make any sense

[opal gull]

he was saying underestimating them ie as a group which means Imu

[sturdy steeple]

That's not the point

[opal gull]

even if you dont know Imu isnt coming

you know you belong to Imu's group

[hasty sable]

Killingham and Summers are probably well below the likes of Zoro and Sanji tbh

[ashen perch]

Thats kind of the point

[sturdy steeple]

Sanji and the others by doing that to Killy were underestimating WG in its entirety

[opal gull]

yeah they are the Vice Admiral's

[sturdy steeple]

And Imu was there in Gunko's body lol

[ashen perch]

they are strong obviously, but what makes them unstoppable is leeching off of Imu

[sturdy steeple]

That's what makes them strong PRIMARILY

[opal gull]

I wonder if they can get Omen without Imu being there as well?

[ashen perch]

its a limited form, Imu's not capable of a lot in there

if he could, he would have melted the ice instead of fading back to Marie Geoise

[sturdy steeple]

It doesn't matter. Imu was there for a reason lol

[ashen perch]

he likely cant use Omen at all

[sturdy steeple]

Like the guy coming down to Elbaf was still a very big move

[ashen perch]

we have seen that Imu's not really very capable in the form

[opal gull]

of course

its the biggest move

[ashen perch]

He can Domi Reversi people, he can take any attack, and he can clash with Brook

[sturdy steeple]

Killy tells them not to underestimate WG just because they lost NOW.

[ashen perch]

thats not really a lot

[sturdy steeple]

But then we get to the real thing

And these guys get their strength back from Omen

And they're likely to be buffed

To actually be a threat this time

[ashen perch]

Qilingham's confidence is clearly rooted in their own strength alone

[opal gull]

Qilingham vs Zoro 1v1 who wins?

[ashen perch]

because Sanji's conversation is about the HKs

he literally says ''these are the knights of the Holy Land?"'

its in response to that

[ashen perch]

Qilingham is taking it with Omen.

[sturdy steeple]

I'm inclined to believe Sanji when he calls them garbage lol

[ashen perch]

Sanji was wrong, so was Franky

[opal gull]

current Zoro? i guess

but full power? no

[ashen perch]

full power

[sturdy steeple]

They weren't though

That's the limit of what they can do without omen

[opal gull]

The reason Oda made Zoro and Sanji get 1 shot by Imu is so that Qilin and Sommers can beat them after getting Omen

[thick mango]

none of these kinds of statements have any sort of objective authority

theyre basicaly just trash talking each other

[sturdy steeple]

That's kind of his experience with them

[ashen perch]

I think the SHs are clearly meant to be the deluded ones though

[sturdy steeple]

Deluded until the omen comes in, yes.

Which is the part of Imu's abilities.

[ashen perch]

the crushing defeat that Oda's building to will in hindsight

make Franky and Sanji look silly

[thick mango]

It's all wrapped up in imus abilities drawing that line is silly

[ashen perch]

so we can take Qilingham's word for it

[ashen perch]

they didnt know he was even coming anyways

[leaden rivet]

Well I mean we won’t know if they’re wrong or not now then huh cause they’ll be amped

[opal gull]

Imu will get that win easily

But the GKs even if they had Omen and Imu wasnt here, they wouldnt be able to beat Sanji and Zoro

[leaden rivet]

But when not amped and trying their best they got dusted

[ashen perch]

in unfair fights.

[opal gull]

we are yet to see how much of an amp they got

[grand flower]

I don’t see what you’re saying

[sturdy steeple]

The immortality is the biggest thing but that doesn't grant them strength in general. Killingham and Sommers lost to them because they weren't particularly strong.

Now omen is about to balance things out.

[ashen perch]

what if they beat Zoro and Sanji? do we just think that it was a 100x boost to pretend like the gap was that big?

[opal gull]

what he means i guess is that fighting would still take place after the OP is found

ie fight against Imu

[sturdy steeple]

We're not doing numbers man

[hasty sable]

Yeah if they beat Zoro and Sanji it’s because of Omen

[ashen perch]

it would be silly for a boost that big to exist right?

[sturdy steeple]

That's just silly in general lol

[hasty sable]

Sommers and Killingham are weak

[grand flower]

WW2 didnt start with the atomic bomb either

[ashen perch]

they would have to be somewhere close to Zoro and Sanji

[hasty sable]

Imu is pretty silly tbh

[grand flower]

I don’t see where those pages indicate that

[ashen perch]

they arent

[opal gull]

If they beat Sanji and Zoro

that means Imu's attack bought their health down to 1%

rather than this being a GK hypetool

[grand flower]

It’s not unheard of

[sturdy steeple]

Well, there's a massive difference between G2\G3 Luffy and G4. A boost like this might exist.

[grand flower]

Nightmare Luffy was treating Moria and Oars like I treat-

[ashen perch]

Your definition of weak is very different from mine I guess. Sommers has been consistently unlucky, Gaban also jumped him and he still blocked multiple attacks from him lol. QIlingham was literally jumped.

[grand flower]

Then when it wore off, it was an extreme diff fight

[hasty sable]

The thought of these losers being boss fights for Zoro and Sanji after they already lost is kind of nauseating

[opal gull]

• Sanji and Zoro at 1% health cause of Imu

[hasty sable]

They need to get tapped out fast

[sturdy steeple]

Like you would treat me if just the two of us went to have a nice dinner

♥️

[hasty sable]

Ofc with Zoro health bars are meaningless

[ashen perch]

so where does that leave us Shuron

like think about it for a second

if anyone can be 100x-ed by Imu

[grand flower]

Unironically you’re closer to what I was gonna say than you’d like to be

[sturdy steeple]

I think there's a catch though

[grand flower]

Oda will reveal that Hao can 100x as well

[ashen perch]

and a guy like Nusjuro was already cleaving an island sized pyrobloin filled cloud, where does the 100x leave him?

[hot cairn]

in those pages, Gunko is talking about what the war will be about, no mention of the one piece.

[grand flower]

Luffy got up against Lucci because Usopp’s Hao invigorated him

[sturdy steeple]

We're arguing about hypotheticals though

[hot cairn]

whats that supposed to mean

[grand flower]

Because we already know it’s leading up to the OP

[opal gull]

thats why you need Shanks level Haki to negate the affects of Omen which is probably a DF ability

[sturdy steeple]

And then again G2 Luffy had no chance against Doffy yet in G4 he fucked him up real good

[grand flower]

The war doesn’t need to start with the weapon capable of ending it

[ashen perch]

I am just saying that in the hypothetical, it wouldnt make any sense for Imu's boost to be too significant Keeper

[hasty sable]

I don’t think logic applies to Imu magic

He can do whatever he wants

[ashen perch]

it has to? at some point? where does the line get drawn?

[opal gull]

lets atleast see the full affect of the Omen first lol

[hasty sable]

He’s magic devil god

[ashen perch]

again, with this logic, Omen'd Gorosei are beating the entire planet lol

[hasty sable]

He could turn someone like Xebec into a pawn

[sturdy steeple]

But I don't think it's that significant. These guys know haki, they have mastery over DFs.
It's the same shit as Zoro and Sanji jumping from barely dealing with F6 to fighting commanders in a short period of time. It's not unheard of.

[hasty sable]

Imu is a stupid busted character

[sturdy steeple]

The hypothetical in question here is the fact that they will defeat Zoro and Sanji.

I don't think so lol

[ashen perch]

yeah, and Oda's made it so that he cant actually do anything on his own in the real world

its all within reason

[leaden rivet]

Well given Luffy and Loki won’t defeat Imu, it’s possible the wings don’t defeat the HK

[hot cairn]

the war didnt start 800 years ago because of the one piece. And the war never ended, the One Piece is needed to end the war, is not the cause of it.

[sturdy steeple]

Sommers had a good showing againt Gaban. But that's like Jinbei blocking Akainu for a second.

[hot cairn]

weapon? Who said the OP is a weapon?

[sturdy steeple]

That doesn't outright put him at that level. In fact, he's several levels below.

[grand flower]

The thing that ends the war doesnt need to be the cause of it. This is a non-starter argument because what you’re saying just isn’t a necessity

[ashen perch]

Sommers blocks like 5 hits from Gaban, with one hand and a chest thats just been cut too

[sturdy steeple]

Yes btw

[leaden rivet]

It’s like saying Yamato is Kaido level

[sturdy steeple]

Xebec as a pawn was one of the best things he could've had

[ashen perch]

I didnt say that...

[sturdy steeple]

And he didn't even need to come there in person

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t say you said that

[grand flower]

The war could have started over whatever

We know the OP is powerful enough to put an end to it

[gleaming notch]

yamato is kaido level. trust me

[ashen perch]

Yamato is very powerful though, nobody should claim otherwise

[grand flower]

@hot cairn btw what Gunko is saying there is meant to parallel WBs speech about the Great War being inevitable

[ashen perch]

it would be unreasonable

[grand flower]

That’s why Gunko doesn’t need to mention the OP

[ashen perch]

to say that he isnt

[grand flower]

We’ve been informed enough it’s leading to that

Just like WBs speech about the government fear the war’s inevitability was also about how someone WILL find the OP and ends with his declaration that it’s real

[leaden rivet]

Just saying just to be general, clashing and what not does not put you on someone’s level, she isn’t close to his level

[ashen perch]

The same way its unreasonable with Sommers, he's a powerful guy that Oda likes to put into torturous situations because its funny and he's a mean old shithead and also probably because Oda hates Hulk Hogan

[grand flower]

Any mention of the war from now, by default, falls into “and the OP will end it” because that’s become an established fact

[ashen perch]

(the last one is important)

[grand flower]

That won’t work for me brother

• Sommers being asked for mercy

[sturdy steeple]

He's a capable fighter but again, I already gave you an example.

And there are many examples like that in the story.

[ashen perch]

yea, but I mean

I wont disagree with your example either

I think Jinbe was very impressive for blocking Akainu

[grand flower]

I don’t think Sommers is on Gaban’s level tbvh

Like Gaban straight up dealt with him

[ashen perch]

thats a Jinbe feat, straight up. Like its a Sommers feat here

[grand flower]

Kinda bitched him

[sturdy steeple]

That's a feat

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think Sommers or Killingham are much stronger than Queen if at all

[ashen perch]

Gaban is clearly stronger for sure yeah, I dont disagree

its impressive nevertheless though, those were some major acoc hits too

[sturdy steeple]

But that's the point I'm making. You don't have to be on the same level to block your opponents' attacks.

[grand flower]

That is true

Zoro blocked Kaido

He had to go all out and Kaido was still in medium try mode

[ashen perch]

Yeah ofc he's not directly on Gaban's level, I think Gaban actually beats Zoro and Sanji that way too

[sturdy steeple]

Luffy starts out fighting Kaido as someone who could probably still only tackle commanders

[ashen perch]

but maybe that would be a controversial take

[sturdy steeple]

And he had some really good moments there

[grand flower]

Until Sanji unlocks his Hao and lends Zoro some

[ashen perch]

I dont know, Gaban's very impressive against Luffy

[leaden rivet]

Arsal I don’t know why you’re in such a fight about Sanji’s words

[sturdy steeple]

He would beat them yes

[ashen perch]

the same way

[ashen perch]

I think the SH slander is just silly, thats all

[sturdy steeple]

But here's the thing

[leaden rivet]

But you’re arguing with a take that props them up?

[ashen perch]

The arc is about them facing these trials and tribulations, it is to make them look bad so they can overcome it and get better

[sturdy steeple]

It's like saying "Kaido would beat Zoro the same way as Luffy"

Or something like that

[ashen perch]

when Jinbe gets captured by Gunko, its not because he is weak, its because his enemies are more powerful

[sturdy steeple]

Like yeah, because that guy is very much superior to these fighters

[ashen perch]

and in general, the argument is that the HKs are extremely capable

Qilingham was a lucky shot, Sommers was too. They are about to pay for that

[sturdy steeple]

Because Imu saved them and granted them literal buffs.

[ashen perch]

again, thats why I got into that hypothetical

they wouldnt win, if they werent already close

But yea we're looking at two main ideas here, the WG has to look good and the crew has to face setbacks for the sake of development

once we're done with that

the crew is coming back better than ever

I have been saying it since Road said it, maybe if people listened to me 😔

[sturdy steeple]

His enemy had a tricky power on top of an immortality, something he never experienced before. Once someone from SHs managed to think of a plan on how to defeat them they weren't particularly strong, which is what Sanji and Franky mention.

With Jinbei it's just that he doesn't get a spotlight at all. That's the problem I have.

[ashen perch]

yeah I mean no matter the excuses here, he does look bad here and that is by design.

[sturdy steeple]

And again, this guy is supposed to be a pillar with Zoro and Sanji. And I'm not gonna lie, Zoro knows ACoC and Sanji is extremely powerful even without that. These guys just never really stood a chance.

[ashen perch]

Again, Qilingham's defeat exists to lull them into this false sense of security, youre not meant to treat this as legitimate

[sturdy steeple]

That's true, yes. But I don't get how that applies to their individual strength from writing perspective.

[ashen perch]

its just a foundationally weak high point that exists to build to this low point

It does apply because it was a conveniently constructed victory for the sake of the story at play here, the counterattack was made to seem swift to the crew so that they can buy into their own hype

and then get crushed

[sturdy steeple]

That false sense of security applies to the general situation on the island. It's why Sanji was left wondering why was it over so soon.
They're coming back only because Imu came here in person and gave them buffs. It doesn't matter whether they knew he would show his face here or not. Because, first of all, it's the author, the omnipotent being, that sets up a resolution. Secondly, like I said before, it's the idea that someone like Killingham knows he has a whole WG behind him.

And WG is in a dominant position.

[ashen perch]

Jinbe was actually smarter than Sanji this chapter, atleast he knew not to underestimate the thing in front of him and warned Sanji about it. Meanwhile, Sanji heads straight into getting utterly nuked lol

[ashen perch]

we can say that this is because Sanji buys into his own hype too

so did Zoro and Hajrudin

[sturdy steeple]

I mean yeah

And by the result of it Imu is the one hyped

Because he easily defeated the guys that can crush his soldiers

[ashen perch]

yes, but you have to look at each element within the context that we now see too, these wins existed to build towards the defeats. These were hollow victories that never actually proved anything, it didnt prove their (SHs) superiority nor did it prove the inferiority of their opponents, they existed to build that hollow confidence within the crew.

[sturdy steeple]

I agree with you but again, that doesn't outright say anything about HKs and their individual strength. Imu is the epicenter of the conflict here from now on.

Oh yeah, wait, no, it did prove their superiority in the conflict. That's why Imu had to appear in the first place.

[ashen perch]

One hollow victory was the result of 3 of them working together to merely just tie one guy up before he could even really get started, one was flash freezing an opponent without them being actually aware of what was inside her, and one was them just toying with a man's broken down flesh after Luffy had just done all the work lol

these are all non victories, it didnt prove anything. I guess it proved that Luffy can beat Sommers, I couldve told you that.

but Luffy's false victory isnt against him anyways, its against Gunko

[dense haven]

if the buffed hk arent at least admiral level then whats even the point

[pseudo gulch]

They're gonna get dog walked anyway

[ashen perch]

they = SHs

[opal gull]

If Admiral is 100 and Vice Admiral is 0

they will be 70

[pseudo gulch]

Yeah I also think they'd be in that 60-70 range

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninja-low-taper-fade-cringe-stare-i-know-something-gif-855375872395421246

[opal gull]

😭

[clever idol]

Yea id rather something much more unsuspected and different.

[ruby moat]

I think it'd feel weird for us to go from right now where we have so much focus on Imu, to then shift focus to blackbeard to the extent where his entire role in the story will be completed (flashbacks, battles, everything), just to go back to Imu again

[thick mango]

i would like to see a luffy bb teamup to defeat imu

to me thats the ultimate test for luffy

in impel down, luffy has to do the responsible thing and pass on fighting blackbeard towards his goal of fighting ace

fighting alongside blackbeard against imu would be an even more difficult test of responsibility

even if we know BB is full of shit and likely to betray, it still is probably the responsible thing to join with him against imu

he might even be uniquely capable against imu with the darkness fruit

[trim lily]

the idea of blackbeard working together with luffy feels about the same as luffy working together with akainu to me

[thick mango]

maybe that too

these things being hard to accept on an emotional level is what makes them a diffucult challenge of responsibility

[clever idol]

Which is why i say its a 3 way battle

Much more interesting

[thick mango]

see but isnt that irresponsible?

if BB is against Imu, and imu is an existensial threat to the world, isnt the responsible thing to do to work with BB against imu to save the world, then address blackbeard?

[clever idol]

No bcuz bb is also an existential threat

[pulsar timber]

I think in that scenario Luffy just says he’s gonna kick both their asses and try to do it

[dense haven]

peak?

[thick mango]

to me this would be similar to luffy saying, ill beat BB then also save ace in impel down

[clever idol]

Bb is absolutely willing to fuck the world up for his gains

That means using the ancient weapons

[thick mango]

i am basically seeing it in the same light as the crossing paths in impel down

[clever idol]

Hell for crying out loud dude has the tremor fruut

Hes not in a better moral position than imu

Hes arguably worse

[pulsar timber]

Well in impel down Luffy doesn’t even really comprehend Blackbeards actual threat, he just wants to kick his ass because he taunted him about ace. In this new scenario Luffy is kicking imu and Blackbeards ass because they are a threat to his friends

Both imu and Blackbeard has world ending potential and I doubt imu will be so strong that Blackbeard and luffy are needed to team up to beat him

[clever idol]

Bbs story is just as tied to imu as it is to luffy

They will certainly have a confrontation at the very leasr

[pulsar timber]

Imus gonna have a confrontation with the big 4 at some point. Not sure when but it’ll happen

[clever idol]

4?

[thick mango]

I think BB's threat is a little bit more subtle. After this string of arcs, egghead, elbaf and whatever's next, the threat of imu is so undeniably obvious

[pulsar timber]

Luffy Blackbeard shirahosi vivi

[clever idol]

Ah

[pulsar timber]

Obvious to Luffy now yeah but Luffy is also going to learn that Blackbeard has been messing with several friends and family members and that’ll matter more to him at that point

Matter enough that he’d never team up with him.

It’s extra hard to imagine because Blackbeard is an asshole and will 100% taunt Luffy about Ace

[clever idol]

Also consider bb attacki g the two territories luffy has claimed

[pulsar timber]

And everyone else he’s messed with

[clever idol]

He doesnt even rlly need to find tje op if he gains shirahoshi and pluton

[pulsar timber]

Blackbeard is digging his grave. At least imus grave took 800 years to dig

It’s gonna be Luffy shanks Loki and friends jumping him and his crew

[thick mango]

i was hoping for loki joining bb for a while but that doesnt seem to be in the cards

loki could potentially know bb is rocks' son but he wouldnt know the details of how different bb is from rocks

and i just liked the idea of shaking up the formula where we always have the big important island arc person be our friend and ally

[clever idol]

He would learn as soon as they meet

[thick mango]

yeah then we'd have the arc of him getting disappointed and regretting his choice itd be great

[clever idol]

He'd probably end up dying to bb since he'd likely try to kill him the moment he realizes

Hes too hotheaded to not try that

[thick mango]

I don't think it'd be that quick I think it'd be a progression over time

[clever idol]

Sure however he'd wanna write it

[thick mango]

the introduction isnt gonna be 'hi my name is blackbeard and i killed my adopted father, a friend of your idol and my dead father, in a ploy where i used the wg and betrayal of my friends to seek power'

itd be like kuzan. bb has charisma sometimes

[clever idol]

Yea it would be loki seeing him use underhanded tactics all the timw

[leaden rivet]

Dragon working his entire life to undermine Imu and he can’t even make top 4 most wanted is a bit depressing

[clever idol]

His son did which is still a win

[royal orchid]

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FixupX · Apr 20, 2026, 3:08 PM

[thick mango]

sure but this is still a progression over time . he gets a little more disappoionted with every underhanded decsision he sees until the point where he does something about it. thats what i wanna read

[hot cairn]

it is an argument cause the war is not over the One Piece. The fighting will continue before and after it’s found. The war is still ongoing, as VP said.

sorry for answering late was busy

[dense haven]

yall hyped for chapter?

[hot cairn]

what Gunko is saying there is that the WG knows how shit was supposed to go with the world. But now there’s going to be a war because people aren’t going down quietly. The war is inevitable yes.

[hot cairn]

I am but I wish it was a Thursday chapter

(It’s still Wednesday for me)

but I have a feeling it’ll be a Friday chapter

[opal gull]

it will be

we dont even have the full spoilers

[grand flower]

That’s not solid logic. The war started over something unrelated to the one piece

The one piece has the capacity to end the war

Both are simply true

WW2 didnr start over atomic weapons

Atomic weapons ended it tho

For all we know the OP was created because the war started

[grand flower]

They were trying to avoid the war because imu knows his loss is inevitable, yes

Whitebeard said much of the same

They fear the Great War because they know someone will cop the OP and slime em

That’s the point of Imus dialogue to the elders prior to leaving for Elbaph

They can no longer hide from it. The war is inevitable

Their plan to snuff thr world as a means of circumventing the war Imu is paranoid with losing was foiled because of VP and the scholars

[fast pagoda]

MORJ PLEASE DONT DO THIS

DONT JINX US

[ashen rose]

Holy shit it's already Wednesday

[bold sonnet]

It's Thursday bruh

https://tenor.com/view/bo-burnham-living-in-the-future-future-inside-inside-outtakes-gif-25824168

[glacial bear]

It’s Friday where I’m at rn

[bold sonnet]

Please may I have the lottery number?

[glacial bear]

Of course

[bold sonnet]

Go on

We split 50/50

[glacial bear]

It’s 41658

[bold sonnet]

[glacial bear]

WHAT

[bold sonnet]

That doesn't seem right

[glacial bear]

[ashen rose]

Not for me yet

[bold sonnet]

They rarely draw single digit numbers

[bold sonnet]

I see

[grand flower]

Wait a tic

[glacial bear]

I was jk lol

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/bF7iQ.gif

[grand flower]

Oh you!

[formal wagon]

its earth day

recycle

reuse

reduce

[sick dust]

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 20, 2026, 5:04 PM

[muted hedge]

are leakers finally done for?

[leaden rivet]

No this has happened a few times

They will be fine

[alpine trench]

Redon has not been arrested

But he’s going to be scared for his life

[muted hedge]

ah

[leaden rivet]

Whenever noise gets up he usually quiets down until things chill

[alpine trench]

This has happened before but not at this scale

[cosmic hamlet]

Did i miss anything?

[leaden rivet]

I wish they could find a way to make leaks not possible without Oda going full digital

[cosmic hamlet]

Ahh

Thats why full summary is not released this week

[vapid flower]

new server idea

charge meek $5 per message he sends in the server

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-35--k01KPWBCY63FE8M11KGTWGB6WHA

[cosmic hamlet]

All his money goes to morj

[prisma idol]

Meek talks in burst messages so we would be rich

[cosmic hamlet]

Do i have any share in this?

[prisma idol]

No

That 1181 hash is making me sus but also what does this say

[muted hedge]

i didn't see the hash until now, might be best to delete it i guess

[cosmic hamlet]

😔

[cosmic hamlet]

Do you happen to know which site they took down?

[prisma idol]

Nope

[quiet ice]

Is Redon defeated

[cosmic hamlet]

Why are everyone talking about redon 😂

[honest garden]

Redom seems to have gotten away with it

[mighty roost]

is redon from spain too

[prisma idol]

Nope

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes, but the website they took down has nothing to do with redon

He doesn't own a website where manga is hosted, he only owns a forum

[mighty roost]

yeah i was confused about that

[cosmic hamlet]

Whenever something like this happens, leakers usually take a step back as a precaution

Its actually websites like tcb and opscans who are in more trouble than redon

[mighty roost]

i see

[thick mango]

Sunday chapter?

[mighty roost]

better to wait for official release this week lol

[honest garden]

If the scans are the same then definitely

[leaden rivet]

Well I mean is he doing anything illegal?

[cosmic hamlet]

It will be really hard to stay spoiler free after scans are out, they will be out everywhere, you have to stay away from social media

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t post manga panels from what I know

Is discussing what’s on the manga panels illegal is more of my question

Well I gusss it depends the country

[cosmic hamlet]

Its not about whats he releasing to public, its about how he is getting information.

The source of redon will be in more trouble than redon himself.

The fact that redon is getting information means there is a mole in viz, they all know it, they just ignore

[leaden rivet]

I know

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't think they care about text spoilers

Nobody is stupid enough to read spoilers and not read chapter

[leaden rivet]

Well given Shueisha is striking his twitter account they care about something

[cosmic hamlet]

The scans is bigger problem for viz

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t even post his spoilers on twitter either so I don’t get it

[thick mango]

If he's paying money for access to stolen materials I think that's illegal

[leaden rivet]

Well I don’t think they’re stolen

I think he’s paying money to the store owners who get magazines early for sale

And that’s where the leaks come in

[cosmic hamlet]

There are 2 reasons they are not taking any action on tcb.

1. It requires effort and money. Even if they invest and take down tcb, another one will come up. They took down jaminis box and almost same staff created tcb.

2. They are getting enough money even with these scans.

[thick mango]

Yeah but I'm sure that's against their distribution agreements

[cosmic hamlet]

Any info which leakers get before wednesday morning is from viz staff.

There are multiple staff who work on the chapter and there are multiple languages too. Anyone could have leaked the information.

[leaden rivet]

Likely for the person that actually gives out the information and leaks

[thick mango]

It's not stolen at gunpoint but it's still roughly stealing. Idk if it's a different crime

It might be like a criminal conspiracy or something like that

[leaden rivet]

I guess depends on countries laws he’s in

[cosmic hamlet]

The viz staff who leaks the info will be in more trouble than these leakers

[thick mango]

For sure. But if money is changing hands the leakers aren't in the clear

[cosmic hamlet]

Hmm

But breaching a contract terms is more serious than getting scans for money

[leaden rivet]

But maybe they are? Redon is the most prominent one piece leaker and he’s been fine for over a decade

There’s no way they can’t find out who’s behind his account

But yet after a week or so he’s always back to leaking

[thick mango]

Idk about laws across the world but you need enough to go on to actually go after someone

[leaden rivet]

Like actually taking down Redon would send a bigger message than taking down some unnamed store manager or whatever

[cosmic hamlet]

Thats why i said, they don't care about these text spoilers. There is no real damage to viz because of these.

The damage is because of raws and scanalation

[thick mango]

I don't think it's illegal if he's just getting the info for free

[leaden rivet]

Even Redon being late with the leaks is causing a big thing

[thick mango]

So you need proof of the payment

[leaden rivet]

So actually arresting him would honestly make the news

[cosmic hamlet]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[thick mango]

And if he's not in Japan it's probably hard to prosecute

Whereever he is isn't guaranteed to extradite him even if he were indicted

[dense haven]

are leakers arrested again

[cosmic hamlet]

Again, they don't care about redon. He is not contributing to the damage of viz. The text spoilers doesn't effect official.

The RAWS which gets out from stores is the real problem for them. They don't have a way to stop it because there are so many stores in japan

[dense haven]

they should go digital

[leaden rivet]

You don’t need to tell me over and over my friend I know what you’re saying, I’m directing my questions to the people who believe he’s doing something illegal and arrestable.

[cosmic hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-bush-disappear-awkward-gif-4841810

[cosmic hamlet]

Oda probably won't do that

He likes to draw with hands

[dense haven]

oda hates the trees

[cosmic hamlet]

I think people are buying so many physical copies so they want to continue it

[thick mango]

It'd be something like this in us
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-1999-title18-section1957&num=0&edition=1999

[dense haven]

ip grabber

[cosmic hamlet]

I clicked it, am i trouble?

[thick mango]

What is a one piece chapter worth though?

Is it fair to say a single chapter is worth more than 10k?

[dense haven]

I think feeso or someone else said the price once

[cosmic hamlet]

For whom?

Like to get the raws? Or how much money they make?

[thick mango]

I'm not sure if it means to viz or to the secondary sale I'm not a lawyer or anything

[cosmic hamlet]

Viz probably makes alot

Much more than tcb

[thick mango]

Whoever, in any of the circumstances set forth in subsection (d), knowingly engages or attempts to engage in a monetary transaction in criminally derived property of a value greater than $10,000 and is derived from specified unlawful activity, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).

[cosmic hamlet]

Tcb makes peanuts

[cosmic hamlet]

They not paying 10k dollars lol

Wait, the value of it should be greater than 10k, never mind

[thick mango]

Yeah I'm not sure which way to read it

But point is buying stuff you know is stolen/pirated can be a crime

[cosmic hamlet]

This reminds me of some police tv series where they don't arrest drug dealers even if they know they are doing drugs because if they take them out, a new one will appear 😂

[alpine trench]

The Wire

[dense haven]

police usually doesnt go after buyers anyway unless they really hate you

its a waste of resources

[thick mango]

Yeah especially if in a different country

[frail kindle]

when dealing drugs turned into capitalism lol

all drug dealers in the same corner so they had to undercut each other

[dense haven]

spoilers should be a crime

[spice cairn]

I agree

Lets execute spoiler readers

[cosmic hamlet]

Imagine where you don't have to wait when chapter will be out, you know it will always be out on sunday at a specific time

[spice cairn]

[cosmic hamlet]

I agree

Nasty spoiler readers

[spice cairn]

Bring back the gulliotine

[dense haven]

imagine you dont have to read shitty viz translations

[frail kindle]

too quick, bring back the executioner with the axe instead

rusty axe

[spice cairn]

Brazen bull

[frail kindle]

nah thats too fucked up

[cosmic hamlet]

Viz translations are not shitty

[frail kindle]

brazen bull and that other one where they cover your body in some sweet substance so insects slowly eat you alive is also fucked up

[cosmic hamlet]

Does every volume release has this feedback form? Do people actually send this physically via post?

[spice cairn]

Very creative

[spice cairn]

You should do one

[frail kindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaphism

[cosmic hamlet]

I don't have any volumes

I'm poor

[dense haven]

I like the one where they pour salt on someones feet and have goats lick them to the bone

[muted hedge]

and i got spoiled

[ruby moat]

how about the one where someone is strapped down and bamboo is grown beneath them

[frail kindle]

burn the spoilers!

fucking cunts

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pingu-the-thing--k01KPWHM7Z4RS12531AHSCEA5QG

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/ohpo-gif-22649006

[frail kindle]

my dad did just say goodnight cause he's going to sleep

[shadow knoll]

aww so nice of him

https://tenor.com/view/hishi-miracle-chud-gif-201454076702176747

[cosmic hamlet]

Did you go to spoiler channel?

[eternal frost]

How long will Oda rest?

[muted hedge]

no, i was going to message a friend

[cosmic hamlet]

Your friend spoiled you?

[muted hedge]

well, twitter

[dense haven]

twitter user caught yet another L

more at 11

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[dense haven]

feeso said the chapter will be out in 2 hours

[prisma yacht]

he said 3 hrs to me

ur lying

[pulsar path]

Yo wtf golden week is coming

No chapter next week 😭😭😭😭 or wait should it be this week?

[hearty shore]

I hate goldenweek the same way i hate ms. Goldenweek

[rose rune]

Feeso said the chapter will be out in 17 hours

[prisma yacht]

theres a break after 1182 as well :c

[pulsar path]

Elbaf will never end

Cus if breaks lol

[hearty shore]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-scary-mean-gif-18267879

YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME, ODA

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-minion-laughing-funny-haha-gif-9914904652077580140

[urban lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-little-garden-baroque-works-miss-goldenweek-goldenweek-gif-10027817615963837638

[prisma yacht]

its all her fault

[tawny kraken]

mid goldenweak

[next estuary]

Gold middenweek

[restive lintel]

Best intro

[urban lodge]

What is Tashigi doing here

[prisma yacht]

part time

[urban lodge]

WAIT

She does want all graded blades

She was poisoning Whitebeard to get Murakumogiri

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-skeptical-cat-suspicious-sus-skeptical-gif-6720469744797995232

so she robbed his grave

[dense haven]

tashigi double agent

[ashen rose]

notice how she is not wearing glasses? maybe she is just lost.

[vernal ravine]

whitebeard is the type of guy that tries to act nonchalant then he orders to be treated only by females

like when in god valley he said, im going to save shakky cause she is my friend

[cold steppe]

Whitebeard average anime MC

[dense haven]

whitebeard is a fraud

[urban lodge]

The best thing about God Valley was how mad people got at Whitebeard running from Garp

[tawny kraken]

imo the funniest about gv was people expecting wb vs garling, but garling got packed up twice

[prisma yacht]

the best thing about gv was baby shanks sky split

#childofdestiny

[dense haven]

the best thing was people crashing out over goon valley

[rose rune]

People crash out too easily

[dense haven]

I kinda expected a bigger war ngl

[rose rune]

Every little silly thing they dislike is the end of the world

[dense haven]

instead its just imu mopping the floor with everyone

[rose rune]

True

[pulsar path]

Fins the dofflmaingo insignia

[rose rune]

I got 1/3 right

[stray prism]

Chapter when

[tawny kraken]

@honest garden uuuuhmmm

or @rose rune idk

[marble scroll]

hacked account what an idiot

[prisma yacht]

Omedeto

[dense haven]

who got hacked

[prisma yacht]

Random

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-homelander-the-deep-boys-angry-gif-17484443382225121615

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[hasty sable]

Can’t believe Shanks beat him up and chained him to a tree for four years because of this. He really is a fed.

[cold steppe]

He had help from lola

[wraith mantle]

Dragon slayer

[balmy field]

!ws

[tropic nova]

#western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series #western-series

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/polonyalii-1

[bold sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-dog-doin-what-the-dog-doin-meme-what-the-dog-doing-meme-gif-26179919

[odd rune]

how much is enough

[dapper tree]

It's never enough

[odd rune]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mistwol-cat--k01KPX4NBQYYE2PSENM0P1KMXVB

[dense haven]

jack is reaching bogard levels of meme

[dapper tree]

Jack could never

[fallen meteor]

https://fixupx.com/i/status/2047098363968168255 insane thread

Dillon (@Deezus_Walks)

While watching through all of One Piece, I saved any time Toei drew a low quality picture of Chopper and these are the results (170+ Good Choppers)
︀︀
︀︀🧵 1/44 🧵

**💬 43 🔁 787 ❤️ 6.0K 👁️ 299.1K **

FixupX · Apr 22, 2026, 11:40 PM

1/44
170+

[upbeat yarrow]

the chopper files

enough evidence to convict him of tax evasion

[hot cairn]

any updates on the chapter? @cosmic hamlet

[frail kindle]

any updates on the chapter? @cosmic hamlet

[proud loom]

Any updates on the chapter? @cosmic hamlet

[upbeat yarrow]

I find myself filled with a mounting sense of anticipation, might I ask if there has been any forward momentum in the creation of the next installment? @cosmic hamlet

[cosmic hamlet]

Let me check

[dense haven]

where is the chapter? @cosmic hamlet

[cosmic hamlet]

😭

Meek said chapter will be out on sunday 😉

[tidal ice]

@cosmic hamlet when chapter

[rose rune]

Hey @cosmic hamlet any update on the adoption?

[cosmic hamlet]

Adoption?

[rose rune]

The child I sent to you in the mail

[subtle hull]

what

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/i/status/2046967765337067955

OVAL 1CE | COMMS OPEN (@oval_1ce)

Join now!

X · Apr 22, 2026, 3:02 PM

[subtle hull]

yeah im the child

[proud loom]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-yummers-the-boys-a-train-gif-9066729310392107939

[rose rune]

I'm just messing with you

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/klusedig-creepycat-creppycat-creepy-cat-gif-18705051

[royal orchid]

@cosmic hamlet I have a question

[cosmic hamlet]

I killed them

[subtle hull]

im here

[iron oriole]

Uncle Sak

[cosmic hamlet]

Yes

[royal orchid]

when's the chapter

[cosmic hamlet]

You are not him

[subtle hull]

😔

[cosmic hamlet]

Meek said sunday

[royal orchid]

Monday chapter let's goooo

[subtle hull]

cygneot

i have a proposal

[tawny kraken]

oops

[subtle hull]

give me embeds and ill give you nothing

[iron oriole]

!pics

[tropic nova]

You are able to post pictures after you reach level 10. Check your level by typing ?rank in #bots.

[royal orchid]

bro joined last year and doesn't have embeds

[subtle hull]

i just started using this server

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gear-4-gear-fourth-snakeman-luffy-snakeman-gif-5566093877490573139

[subtle hull]

andi just discovered i can have a strawhat role

[cosmic hamlet]

Where do you discuss one piece before?

[subtle hull]

im in other servers but never discussed it

the manga channels here are so cool

[cosmic hamlet]

They are mid

[subtle hull]

frrrr

[cosmic hamlet]

Always slowmode

[royal orchid]

they're pretty organized if anything

[subtle hull]

this servers top 1

[iron oriole]

#manga is the worst wdym?

[royal orchid]

how old is this thing anyway like 10 years now

[subtle hull]

its so peak

[subtle hull]

WHAT

DAMN

[royal orchid]

yeah 10 year anniversary like 2 weeks ago