also-manga

[scenic dirge]

Need the heaven realm to become relevant soon

[digital spear]

Same

[prisma yacht]

All eyes on biblu

[trim lily]

everyone’s hopes and dreams rest on the heaven realm

[dapper tree]

Triple Awakening

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/komik-gif-14211273463614358620

[urban lodge]

Why is he licking Ragnir

[digital spear]

Imu will just take Loki and Luffy to the heaven realm to fight them there for more aura

[dapper tree]

Not happening

[trim lily]

it truly is the act 3 of elbaf

[prisma yacht]

He will make heaven realm relevant

[ashen perch]

oh yea I meant with this type of screentone, the idea is for it to look grey. There's others that ofc are clearly visible that Oda uses as well

[ashen perch]

speaking of this

[warm sierra]

Let us move somewhere empty

[prisma yacht]

DA OWL

[dark nymph]

I know I know

[ashen perch]

I was skimming through Elbaf earlier and we do actually see the canopy of the Adam Tree

but for whatever reason, Heaven Realm is just not visible at all

[trim lily]

how strange

[digital spear]

Its a portal there and the heaven realm is on the moon

[ashen perch]

maybe its meant to be separated from Elbaf

that works

[digital spear]

Moon arc

[ashen perch]

no but I was thinking its a sky island way above Elbaf atleast

[dark nymph]

nvm found it

[ashen perch]

I thought it would be sitting atop the tree, but I guess not.

[hot cairn]

do you think it's in the sky?

[scenic dirge]

Imu: “You are all beneath me! For I am the incarnation of Hell itself!!”

Loki: “hmmph… you idiot!! If you’re Hell itself, then I guess I’ll have to take you to HEAVEN!!”

In an EPIC double spread we see Loki in full dragon form swallow Imu whole and start flying upwards towards the heaven realm

Imu (from inside Loki’s mouth): Noooooooo

[digital spear]

Id be okay with elbaf being less than 100 chapters if heaven realm is another arc (preferably moon arc)

[scenic dirge]

Oda better pay me for this

[ashen perch]

yeah, I did think it was a sky island already

[hot cairn]

https://x.com/amigokiru/status/2045570558109086167?s=20

KIRU! (@amigokiru)

NERONA IMU

#ONEPIECE #OnePiece1180

X · Apr 18, 2026, 6:30 PM

[hot cairn]

that would make sense

[ashen perch]

but I am only just now seeing that its not even part of the Adam Tree at all

[digital spear]

Why do I sometimes think Imu art is Loki

[ashen perch]

I thought it would be lol

[copper forge]

they both horny

[celest mauve]

I can picture shadow imu saying this but imu in elbaf rn seems a lot more composed

[digital spear]

And im horny for both

[scenic dirge]

Why is it not part of the tree?

Am I missing something

[dark nymph]

"EPIC double spread"

Yup, I'm sold

[copper forge]

-> this emote foreshadowed imu

[rose rune]

I hate it when I'm editing shit, and I cannot use the magic wand because the drawing is too messy

[scenic dirge]

Lol it was a shitpost. Doing my best cringe fanfic dialogue impression

[digital spear]

Goda can even foreshadow things through emotes in One Piece servers

[ashen perch]

nah I doubt this

[copper forge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/you-messi-wants-qp61kl8rdZwuQ

[celest mauve]

yeah ik, I was just thinking out loud

[ashen perch]

it will be part of Elbaf and Elbaf will 100+ chapters

we'll ALL soon accept this

[hot cairn]

"100+"

[dark nymph]

80 chapters take it or leave it

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-what-gif-8522309469291985838

[celest mauve]

elbaf isn't even 60 chapters yet

[formal wagon]

Goda mentioned #godamoment #goda

elbaf has like at most 1 chapter left

[hot cairn]

just 5 more

[ashen perch]

its basically 60

[distant vine]

https://x.com/Khaled71697/status/2045879035243196581?s=20

BlueLeg🔥🇵🇸 (@Khaled71697)

Toei actually added a filler scene that makes Sanji look good instead of slandering him 👀

▶ Play video

X · Apr 19, 2026, 2:55 PM

[hot cairn]

that's my guess, it'll be at the 80's

[rose rune]

Gunko will know the way to send Imu back, but die for her betrayal

[lofty fern]

Loki not realizing that the stupidest thing you can do is set frozen food on fire. 😆 Like all those idiots who try to just throw a frozen turkey in the oven 🤣
He didn't pay attention in Ida's cooking class

[distant vine]

Nearly half a minute to kick one animal...

Please The One Piece...save us...

[celest mauve]

idk what oda could do for 40+ more chapters when all the content in elbaf island has taken about 30 chapters to cover

this is excluding the flashback obviously

[ashen perch]

that is still Elbaf...

[digital spear]

Why is he fat

[dark nymph]

hey, thats what I said

[stone terrace]

Pochopperita

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/chopper-tony-tony-chopper-one-piece-nico-robin-robin-gif-20927033

[ashen perch]

the Heaven Realm alone is gonna be 25 chapters man

[rose rune]

that's just how Toei operates now

[hot cairn]

arsal has a long list of things that could guaranteed 40+ chapters

[copper forge]

chopper on his way to give new mink medicine to zoro after he got omened by imu
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/738580480437387264/1495507089970430023/Skjermbilde_2026-04-19_203554.png?ex=69e67f03&is=69e52d83&hm=cb1d0d3d6edf091921f275d8c1b69924146f2f67991c9d987adaa0c7d3ef53dc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1608&height=1062

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-yikes-flight-meme-gif-12822158462297009384

[celest mauve]

like big mom returning

[copper forge]

usopp getting a feat this arc

[formal wagon]

is this real

[digital spear]

God I just realized Omen is ANOTHER new control/boost thing Imu has now

[hot cairn]

he doesnt believe that anymore... but he thinks she'll be back in the hachinosu arc

[formal wagon]

i like your pfp it reminds of this show i watched

[lofty fern]

We need to make a list of everything he can do

[hot cairn]

game of vira?

[digital spear]

Yours too it reminds me of the planet I watched this show on (earth)

[formal wagon]

one piece

[copper forge]

yal should drop the kaido and big meme agenda, they dead

[hot cairn]

hey, I believe that too

[copper forge]

omg cook

[hot cairn]

it's some people here that dont

[copper forge]

(ik)

[digital spear]

Jesus stop believing

[formal wagon]

admiral agenda is the only good one left

besides like weevil

[copper forge]

i don't believe you

[formal wagon]

and carrot

[small ember]

Weevil

[rose rune]

sanji after Imu kicked him

[formal wagon]

CHANGE YOUR MIND RIGHT NOW CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW

[hot cairn]

sorry, cant do, the story is better for me if they dont return

[distant vine]

I'm sorry for the Jinbe community

[royal orchid]

big mom put her soul on the lava and now she is a lava homie

[distant vine]

Sanji took his spot in the trio back

🤧

[hot cairn]

LOL

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/crash-love-death-robots-destroy-blast-meteor-gif-22057249

[formal wagon]

is sanji alive still

[hot cairn]

who cares about Carrot

[dark nymph]

I watched this episode, this isn't even far off

[formal wagon]

EVERYONE

[distant vine]

!me?

[tropic nova]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1010993473098354830/1013039429406969866/last_final.png

[hot cairn]

who tf is everyone

[digital spear]

With Loki joining the trio is broken its just Luffy and Loki now

[leaden rivet]

Worst thing about big mom coming back is the entire wave of arguments about Oda never killing anyone

[digital spear]

Wait Ragnir too

[formal wagon]

me you and all others

[hot cairn]

ME?

HAHAHHAHAHHAHA

[distant vine]

Oda realized he cooked too hard and made a SH he didnt actually want as one so he had to bullcrap something to write her out the story

[leaden rivet]

People haven’t let go of Pell if Big mom comes back they’ll be even worse

[distant vine]

😭

[hot cairn]

hell NO

[formal wagon]

yup

especially you

[royal orchid]

on everyone's soul we care about carrot

[distant vine]

Yeah I am pretty tired of revival arguments

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-burning-hell-pain-gif-17379863

[digital spear]

Big Mom would at least do stuff and be a skeleton

[distant vine]

Thats a better reason than the story itself for Oda to not do them

[rose rune]

I didn't mess with it too much

[hot cairn]

BM coming back is booooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

[ashen perch]

its insane that Oda just never mentioned the realm again... what is he cooking

[distant vine]

Let Saul be the last controversy

[dark nymph]

I do NOT care about Carrot

[leaden rivet]

Indigex no matter how much I read your name you’re still Supah to me because that pfp

[dark nymph]

and Oda doesn't either with how he handled her

[hot cairn]

based

[digital spear]

Its def not gonna be

[hot cairn]

exactly

[ashen perch]

also btw YC, the word used for Heaven Realm can related to the cosmos and the celestial fwiw

[formal wagon]

yes you do

[digital spear]

HYPE

[formal wagon]

search your soul to find the truth

[urban lodge]

Carrot is but a victim of Oda being a bad author during Wano, it's not her fault

[formal wagon]

HEAVEN REALM IS JUST A CANOPY

ON JESUS'S LIFE

[copper forge]

i think heaven realm is a continuation of skypiea and another way to reach it

it's above the sky

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/stallipiano-gif-8633409668543310298

[leaden rivet]

Carrot is partially people’s expectations not being reality and getting upset about it

[ashen perch]

yea I agree

[formal wagon]

eggxactly

[leaden rivet]

Yamato though she just sucks there’s nothing else for her

[royal orchid]

Urouge and Enel await your arrival in the Heaven Realm.

[ashen perch]

bro is not ready

[formal wagon]

you're not ready for an oda classic

[ashen perch]

Planet Earth youre a dumbass, ofc its not just a canopy

[urban lodge]

Remember when Oda made a rabbit ear propeller and fucking exploded it? That's pure spite

[ashen perch]

Planet Earth this is why Saturn clears

[urban lodge]

Oda is evil

[hot cairn]

hilarious

cinema

you love to see it

[formal wagon]

arsal "not so wise" you're a shit ass who likes feet and smells

[dark nymph]

that shit was fucking cinema

[distant vine]

Yeah Im upset when Oda makes a bad decision

[leaden rivet]

I was wondering why Arsal kept saying planet earth just realized there’s a user named planet earth wtf

[dapper tree]

Oda decided he hated carrot and banished her

[distant vine]

It really hurts

[leaden rivet]

Mailbox stop changing your name

[ashen perch]

still not as funny as the yuderon looking VP satellite getting shot in the head after VP was yapping about his theories

[brittle basin]

smart

[near crater]

Akainu , Dragon and Kong

The True Office Heroes

[leaden rivet]

I’ve got to realize it’s you every time

[ashen perch]

false

[formal wagon]

yo 😎

[brittle basin]

!kong

[tropic nova]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-is-real-one-piece-live-action-nami-roronoa-zoro-gif-16253456524065335349

[royal orchid]

mailbox has been planet earth for like 2 weeks

[urban lodge]

LMAO

[digital spear]

Arsal you got the whole planet earth saying this

[dapper tree]

She didn't deserve it

[hot cairn]

as he should

[distant vine]

Wth is Mailbox doing man

[formal wagon]

isn't it fun that theres a user just named planet earth though

[brittle basin]

True. She deserves to be with her pal Pedro.

[copper forge]

receiving mail or sth

[small ember]

Weevil looks ugly and has a dumb shtick

[lofty fern]

Imu shall kills Saul and make Robin cry

[distant vine]

Staff member that hates Law and Carrot. This server is FINISHED!!!

[formal wagon]

TAKE IT BACK RIGHT NOW

[brittle basin]

weevil is ugly

[digital spear]

I forgot he iss tuaff nöw

[small ember]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-no-way-noo-absolutely-not-gif-20244171

[formal wagon]

take it back

[fringe escarp]

I just unlocked conquerors HAKI

[digital spear]

hiooooly shit

[formal wagon]

can we like actually ban weevil slander please

[ashen perch]

I know its a daft punk reference but this is literally just Yuderon

[fringe escarp]

Should advance to conquerors maki

[brittle basin]

make all saline water drinkable first

[ashen perch]

and Oda has him get SHOT in the head BRUTALLY

[formal wagon]

nice

[formal wagon]

done. try some

[small ember]

Shaka🥀

[digital spear]

Oda is evil and hired people to kill Yuderon

[ashen perch]

right after he talks about ''My theory on the DFs is um, they all come from humanity's desire for evolution or some shit 🤓 "'

[dark nymph]

did this exist after or before yuderon

[ashen perch]

after

[digital spear]

after

[hot cairn]

I dont hate Law, I just dont want him in Laughtale with the crew

[ashen perch]

right when Yuderon was at his most popular

[hot cairn]

I do HATE Carrot

[dark nymph]

maybe intentional then lol

[ashen perch]

right when he was the biggest Optuber in Japan

[hot cairn]

despise her

[fringe escarp]

I think oda should stop making op

[hot cairn]

worst character in the story fr fr

[formal wagon]

why did yuderon quit again?

[fringe escarp]

He ran out of ideas

[lofty fern]

Imu: Screw that squirrel and his ice.

[dark nymph]

Oda sent him death threats

[digital spear]

Oda threatened to kill him

[ashen perch]

he's still doing YT, he didnt quit

[leaden rivet]

I mean the worst character in one piece is objectively Yamato

[formal wagon]

i thought he did an announcement video saying he quit

[digital spear]

yeah hes doing me

[hot cairn]

you forgot about me YC?

[fringe escarp]

Odas creativity peaked during east blue

[leaden rivet]

Yamato brings nothing good to the story and only brings negatives

[digital spear]

I forgot about breakfast this morning

[ashen perch]

look at his icon

[leaden rivet]

There is no reason for such a shitty character to exist

But she just does

[digital spear]

woe okay

[hot cairn]

that's a good option

[urban lodge]

It's Rocks, but Yamato is a somewhat close 2nd

[hot cairn]

but I still will say Carrot

[formal wagon]

arsal lied last video is 11 months ago

[ashen perch]

that shit was INTENTIONAL as hell

[ashen perch]

he's posting on Twitter

[small ember]

Carrot is cool but boring

[leaden rivet]

Rocks isn’t as bad as Yamato, I don’t even consider rocks top 5

[ashen perch]

I assumed he was doing YT too

but I guess not

[digital spear]

I like how everyone just names good characters and no villains

[hot cairn]

are you saying I'm as important as breakfast?

[urban lodge]

I'd name Absalom but Oda realized his mistake with him and fucking killed him

[lofty fern]

I actually do wonder, will Ragnir recognize Imu? 🐿️

[ashen perch]

btw he was roleplaying as Shaka too, briefly

[leaden rivet]

Honestly Mihawk might be up there

[hot cairn]

penny just hates Rocks fans

[ashen perch]

before Oda BRUTALLY SHOT Shaka through his head

[formal wagon]

i think denjiro is in contention for that spot

[hot cairn]

penny is the type of person who would hate the character just because of fans

[leaden rivet]

Mihawk is a really badly written character

[hot cairn]

which is silly

[digital spear]

He will have some ill feeling about him 🐿️

[dark nymph]

I forget, was Shaka "revived" like the other VP's?

[leaden rivet]

Im pretty sure Penny just hates rocks now also

[celest mauve]

rare funny toadgashi art
https://x.com/i/status/2045950869296844838

Toad||🌊 (@Toadgashi)

#ONEPIECE1180

X · Apr 19, 2026, 7:41 PM

[hot cairn]

I dont fw rocks but

[urban lodge]

Jesus that's so inaccurate

[digital spear]

Yeah I want to see you every morning ❤️

[ashen perch]

straight through the brain

[urban lodge]

I hate the character way more than the fans

[leaden rivet]

All the rocks fans have went away or gone quiet yet Penny’s hate persists

[hot cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/blushing-gif-gif-14376605647912861462

[royal orchid]

the fated list

Imu
Nika
Nidhogg
Davy
Lili
Poseidon
RAGNIR 💪🐿️

[hot cairn]

oh

I thought it was like the yamato thing

[leaden rivet]

Okay if I had to say a top 3

1. Yamato
2. Shakky
3. Mihawk

[urban lodge]

Yamato it's mostly the character too

[leaden rivet]

Can’t think of any especially bad ones after those 2

[ashen perch]

Roomba and Ryuma dont even sound similar smh

[formal wagon]

denjiro is way worse than shakky

[jade rain]

He is not badly written he is barely written, just a character to lose against zoro in the end

[urban lodge]

TRUE

[copper forge]

Ryumba

[urban lodge]

Fuck Denjiro

[dusk lance]

Ussop in Elbaph:

-Gets questioned by Luffy about being able to fight a giant rabbit
-Does nothing most of the arc but fangirl over the giants
-Does nothing
-Holy knights appear
-Explodes Gunko--It's not very effective...
-Gets a knee to the face
-Nothing noteworthy
-Fights Gunko again, but it's actually Imu
-Calls Imu a bitchass coward
-Gunkimu teleports in front of him and explodes with him
-Critical knock-out
-Imu comes to Elbaph and rocks everyone's shit

Yeah, thanks Ussop

[hot cairn]

Mihawk has potential

[ashen perch]

I like Rumor, Rumor is the rare slander name that got me laughing

[urban lodge]

I'm so glad I have a fellow Denjiro hater

[digital spear]

This was in the replies

[royal orchid]

thy arse*

[digital spear]

My friend has a Denjiro figure

[leaden rivet]

I don’t have anything against Denjiro

[celest mauve]

talking like ryuma is that guy 😭

[ashen perch]

Imu doesnt even know what a Ryuma is

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-neutron-cope-jimmy-neutron-cope-cope-lol-cope-and-seethe-gif-25698067

[formal wagon]

unfortunately as much as i hate kaido hes probably not 5 worst

[copper forge]

this shit was funny too https://x.com/robinreadsop/status/2044075381699854453

vic 📖 (@robinreadsop)

“citizen of hell” “commoners leg” “someone’s child”

X · Apr 14, 2026, 3:28 PM

[ashen perch]

well he may know, but that was Nusjuro's thing

[urban lodge]

May I spread some anti Denjiro propaganda?

[leaden rivet]

Honestly I think Gloriosa may be the 4th worst

[ashen perch]

Nusjuro dealt with Ryuma personally

[formal wagon]

at least half of the worst characters are wano chars though

[copper forge]

yes over wano's gold

[leaden rivet]

You may, but I honestly don’t care enough about the character to hate or dislike him. It’s true neutral.

[distant vine]

None of these Zoro jokes are funny

[dark nymph]

whats there to hate about denjiro?

[copper forge]

nusjuro stole wano's gold after facing ryuma

[stone terrace]

Not rockin with the immigrant of hell?

[digital spear]

I dont even know lol

Maybe his design?

[ashen perch]

yeah

[pulsar timber]

worst character in one piece is yamato
Just saying things I guess

[hot cairn]

that's just because you're a Zoro fan

[prisma yacht]

Denjiro has a cool hairstyle

[ashen perch]

Worst character in One Piece is whatever the favorite character of the person reading this is

[cunning narwhal]

ryumor was funny

[dark nymph]

reminds me of that "I fucking hate you and hope you die" meme

[distant vine]

I have the ability to be unbiased

I think the Shanks poison jokes are actually funny

[ashen perch]

Indi you cant deny, Rumor is a great slander name

[celest mauve]

ryumor is elite lmao

[distant vine]

Sure you can slander Ryuma

[leaden rivet]

It’s like 60/40 between her and Shakky

[copper forge]

after the captain of the strawhats luffy and the second captain usopp, meet captain obvious of the crew

[ashen perch]

Ryuma slander was Zoro slander basically

[leaden rivet]

Shakky is my least favorite character but Yamato is the only reason Wano isn’t a 10/10

[ashen perch]

what the fuck

[stone terrace]

First shit of the sea

[dapper tree]

So mean

[celest mauve]

"whoslop" oh it's over

[ashen perch]

why does that guy look like Xebec

lmao

[digital spear]

Lmaooo

[pulsar timber]

Just saying things

[dark nymph]

damn, im surprised i havent seen that one circulating before

[urban lodge]

Denjiro is a clear example of Oda not knowing what to do with a character

• He disappeared for an entire real life year during the publication of Onigashima
• His last appearance was him cutting off one of Orochi's heads
• The next few times we see him it's all panels of him running
• While he was running around doing nothing, all the Tobi Roppo, Queen, King, and even Big Mom were defeated
• After he appears again, he does the exact same thing he was last seen doing: cutting off one of Orochi's heads
• He ruined Orochi's death (it would have been way better if he burned to death)
• He's so useless he couldn't even teach Hiyori basic self defense

[formal wagon]

He's the worst scabbard. His absence during the raid was insane, and when he does show up its a tottally unecessary deus ex machina to save hiyori from a threat she's already defeated. Hes also got one of the shallower backstories of the scabbards. He was kind of just following kinemon around and magically changed his face. Feels like he was retroactively made a scabbard.

[stone terrace]

Well slop has only entered the zeitgeist recently

[distant vine]

God please dont let my friends find this Whoslop image

[small ember]

Worst op character is the girl reading this

[leaden rivet]

Hmm I hear you

[celest mauve]

whoslop is absolutely fucking elite slander and it's even better that it's in the manga

[formal wagon]

whats the new slander ive been seeing about citizen of hell and commoners foot

[distant vine]

Kawamatsu's probably my least favorite Scabbard

[digital spear]

I mean the first points are the same and the last is just Oda being sexist

[pulsar timber]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-crying-laughing-gif-13739141

[distant vine]

But I spedread Act 2 cause that was my first time binging the manga. So Im not really blaming him

[formal wagon]

oh wait also in terms of denjiro sucking his design is also ass

[grand flower]

Facts

[distant vine]

Slow down

[celest mauve]

zoro, the "king of hell", got bitched by the actual devil and his slander has extended to others

[cunning narwhal]

commonner's leg is the only name that feels forced

[distant vine]

Hating so much your face contorts is hiilarious

[urban lodge]

Yeah it just would have been one gigantic bullet point if I explained it all at once

[ashen perch]

I think Denjiro is kinda weird in Onigashima but he's not alone in that

[leaden rivet]

Do you have anything else to add young man

[ashen perch]

Oda doesnt really know what to do with the scabbards after their loss to Kaido

[digital spear]

Something like bad leg might fit better

[royal orchid]

it sure has I tell you

[cunning narwhal]

yeah exactly

[celest mauve]

I'm personally down for "cooked leg" or "burnt leg" sanji

[urban lodge]

At least like Kawamatsu was shown fighting some fodder

[rose rune]

took some time, but here you go

[digital spear]

leg cramps

[urban lodge]

Denjiro was literally running around for 40 chapters

[grand flower]

He and kanjuro are parallels

[hot cairn]

cmon chicken wings of the pirate king is elite lol

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/denjiro-one-piece-pirates-cutting-down-ship-wano-gif-21940991

[pulsar timber]

Nah you got it I don’t really care. We are all entitled to opinions, I guess

[dark nymph]

I mean the scabbards in general sucked ass, idk why we're singling out Denjiro

[pulsar timber]

Although that should change soon

[ashen perch]

''Oda doesnt know what to do with X character'' can be said about many characters in Onigashima, you could see that he was making things up as he went for many of them

[pulsar timber]

The scabbards are a cool group of characters

[royal orchid]

why were they treating denjiro like he was important

[copper forge]

oda doesn't know what to do with usopp

[ashen perch]

I love the Scabbards, not gonna slander them for what was just them not having a role lol

[leaden rivet]

What I’m not going to be entitled to my own opinions soon?

[pulsar timber]

Yes

[ashen perch]

❌

oh where's the emote smh

[leaden rivet]

That’s kinda cryptic

Did you put a hex on me or something

[formal wagon]

denjiro gets it significantly worse than the others. Ashura dies. Kiku and Kin get the usopp speech, kawamatsu is on firefighting duty. Ninja guy whos name i forgot gets a full amazing fight. Denjiro is after all of those and its HORRIBLE. one of the lowest points in wano.

oh izo dies too

[celest mauve]

when your cast gets too big

[formal wagon]

and maha lives

[digital spear]

Some stuff just felt a bit forced with Denjiro like the face changing thing, him cutting off one Orochi head running around and back to Orochi to finish him off, or telling Hiyori to wear those blood packs in the case if they had to fake their death

[formal wagon]

im lowkey probably forgetting someone

[celest mauve]

he survived? I thought he died

[digital spear]

Same

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/kozuki-oden-sacrifice-oden-one-piece-oden-one-piece-execution-gif-27592732

[hot cairn]

@iron oriole

[leaden rivet]

I didn’t know people felt so strongly about Denjiro

[royal orchid]

what did neko and inu do in onigashima again
did they only fight jack and show off sulong

[pulsar timber]

This channel man. Everytime I think I’ve seen it all

[formal wagon]

okay out of respect for your sincerity i'll level with you. He's 99% probably dead, but we have no confirmation so this is an agenda i'm on.

because i love his design

[urban lodge]

It's probably just me and Mailbox who actually hate him

[hot cairn]

I cant believe I was the number 2 Yamato guy in here

[digital spear]

If you mean me I dont its just weird Onigashima stuff

[hot cairn]

how things have changed

[formal wagon]

i was slandering denjiro every day during the raid

[stone terrace]

https://x.com/toadgashi/status/2045950869296844838?s=46

Toad||🌊 (@Toadgashi)

#ONEPIECE1180

X · Apr 19, 2026, 7:41 PM

[celest mauve]

fairs

[pulsar timber]

There may be no one in this channel that’s trustworthy

[celest mauve]

!zolo

[tropic nova]

“Zolo winz!!!!” -Eiichiro Oda, Jump New Years conference (January 2nd 2005)

[formal wagon]

i called denjiro a fanon character

[digital spear]

Why did Toadgashi draw Imu so cute

[formal wagon]

why draw the sun bright

[rose rune]

I made it slightly more size accurate

[hot cairn]

[digital spear]

He would have way more aura if he was one

He would be like ex yonko and ex admiral all at once

[formal wagon]

oh i did forget scabbards

the minks and evil one

[hot cairn]

you forgot like 3

[celest mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[formal wagon]

they had a fuck ton to do in wano

[quiet ice]

The biggest example for sure is carrot though

[leaden rivet]

What you actually liked Yamato?

[formal wagon]

denjiro got leagues less than anyone else

all the yamato fans have been weeded out

[dark nymph]

I was sadly a Yamato liker as well

[ashen perch]

Eh Kawamatsu gets maybe one scene where he saves some samurai from being burnt, he didnt do ANYTHING at all after the loss. Inu v Jack and Neko v Perospero was just dogshit and even them doing something was really bad. Ashura was great, Izo I liked too. Kin and Kiku as well. Raizo was great too.

Kawa, Inu, Neko, these 3 were worse than Denjiro imo. Thats not even getting into it about the other characters, like Perospero where Oda has him defeat Carrot and Wanda for no good reason, go into the dome, do shit that doesnt matter, tease going after Marco, doesnt do it, then get sent outside the dome anyways, and loses in a non fight to Neko for again, no good reason. Like Carrot herself as well.

[leaden rivet]

If Yamato wasn’t conventionally attractive she’d be one of the most hated characters in the series

[dark nymph]

Shameful

[hot cairn]

I was Vic's number 2... big BIG time Yamato for Nakama pusher

[digital spear]

My friend likes Yamato hed be very sad if he saw you DOOMERS

[leaden rivet]

I’m glad you repented

[hot cairn]

had tons of Yamato pfp

[digital spear]

Bro was Vics vice captain

[hot cairn]

I was

but I didnt become a doomer like Vic

[digital spear]

What even changed

[leaden rivet]

When you have so much faith in something and it disappoints you that’s when you truly become a doomer

[digital spear]

I didnt have that much faith in Yamato I guess

[leaden rivet]

Post onigashima is where I kinda started losing faith probably

In Oda’s ability I mean

[digital spear]

Yamato was cool the joining strawhats thing was just forced af

[hot cairn]

Wano is great tho, I dont think OP has really suffered quality wise the last few arcs

Dressrosa to Elbaph run is peak

[dark nymph]

real

[leaden rivet]

I think there’s aspects of the series that negatively impact it and will continue to do so

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/giannis-giannis-antetokounmpo-nba-all-star-funny-gif-3086942854916350502

[leaden rivet]

Wano is one of my favorites but it introduces many things that i think are not good at all

Like Nika in particular.

[ashen perch]

yeah I agree. Making her the ruler of the Dukedom was so well and truly random lol, you could tell that Oda had just thought of it lol

[dark nymph]

the highs are so high in Wano that I don't give a shit about the lows anymore

[hot cairn]

like what?

[leaden rivet]

like Nika in particular

[hot cairn]

ah

[pulsar timber]

No one is trustworthy but me

[hot cairn]

I dont know, I personally dont see the issues people have with Nika

[leaden rivet]

I like Gear 5, but I don’t like Nika

[formal wagon]

Kawa got consistant screentime even if he wasn't doing much, which is more than denjiro got. I dont think jack and pero vs the minks was good either, but they still got more action, and it was less horrid than denjiro's.

[hearty shore]

mainly because it's a retcon

[hot cairn]

what about me smh

[digital spear]

Oda had to nerf Kawamatsu

[ashen perch]

wait I forgot, the BMP as a whole. oh my god.

[stone terrace]

As time fades you forget the negatives

[digital spear]

He wouldve been easily top 1 if he did anything in Oniashima

[formal wagon]

also denjiro got fuck all before the raid as well

[urban lodge]

Oda wanted you to forget them so mission accomplished

[formal wagon]

he just shouldnt have existed

[stone terrace]

But then reread and youre like "oh yeah, mink meth is fucking stupid"

[pulsar timber]

Maybe…

[hot cairn]

I dont mind, retcons arent always a negative

[leaden rivet]

I love how mink meth is just it’s name now

[pulsar timber]

Everytime I think someone is sane they say something stupid

It’s hard being a genius

[hot cairn]

LOL

[gloomy tree]

it doesnt contradict with anything set up to that point, people need to stop calling it a retcon

[ashen perch]

just the worst shit Oda has ever done, beyond infuriating, entirely nonsensical, its literally impossible to understand what Oda was thinking.

[digital spear]

Especially because the healing phoenix guy was right there

[dark nymph]

uhhh we dont talk about that lmao

[leaden rivet]

It contradicts Luffy having the Gomu gomu no mi?

How is it not a retcon?

[ashen perch]

Eh pointless reaction shots is hardly consistent screentime, he might as well not be there at all.

[thick mango]

people having false information isnt a retcon necessarily

[ashen perch]

they are even at best, evenly bad

[ashen perch]

unfortunately

[gloomy tree]

just because we didnt have the right info doesnt make it a retcon

[leaden rivet]

Of course. It got retxonned into being false to create the existence of Nika.

[quiet ice]

It’s so funny looking back at people trying to pin where she went and what she was up to after her defeat. I remember seeing Peros being tossed down the stairs and my jaw dropped knowing she was 100% still there

[hearty shore]

well the whole narrative gig about luffy's gomu gomu no mi is that he took an otherwise silly and pointless power and used it to climb his way to the top of the piracy world, but then 1000+ chapters later it's revealed that this is a mythical zoan of a prophecised figure from the void century

[formal wagon]

i disagree on both points. reaction shots are still establishing that they're present.

[ashen perch]

Oda could have just never brought the BMP and nothing would change with Wano. Should have just had BM fly on Zeus over to Wano lol

[digital spear]

Marco gets a boner every time hes announcing that he will take a backseat and let the new generation take over so why not just have him pump Zoro with magic healing fire instead of meth mink

[hot cairn]

should've not even had BM come to Wano

[formal wagon]

good for marco

[hot cairn]

that's my hot take

[rustic coral]

Jesus...

[gloomy tree]

and it still doesnt change a thing, Luffy had to make this ability of his useful, find his own fighting style

[rustic coral]

Jesus

[leaden rivet]

That’s not a hot take Jesus

[formal wagon]

my hot take: mleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh

[rustic coral]

Jesus, Jesus!

[leaden rivet]

I mean it’s still a retcon

[pulsar timber]

Big mom coming to wano was the ideal move

[urban lodge]

Making a yonko crew into a reoccurring gag

[tough dust]

not really a hot take

[digital spear]

Thats not a hot take yeah. Heres a hot take: O-Lin was FUN

[lofty fern]

oh a new one! Toad's Imu is so cute

[warm sierra]

Oda probably couldnt have done a good kaido fight if he had to include luffy, law and kid

[tough dust]

BM felt so outta of place in wano

[ashen perch]

No I agree Jesus but that does very very significantly change the arc, I was mentioning the BMP because of how entirely pointless their presence was

[formal wagon]

my hot take: that was a hot take

[hot cairn]

Fed! sup

[thick mango]

well its good for bm to get defeated and removed from the story. If not for BM in wano I would have wanted bm defeated in wci. If bm werent defeated in wano she might still be around which is the worst outcome

[gloomy tree]

we can agree to disagree

[hot cairn]

oh

[dark nymph]

my hot take: this isn't a hot take

[leaden rivet]

You can agree to disagree.

[tough dust]

just seeing how everything is turning out in elbaf, shes most likely dead for good

[digital spear]

Big Mom in Elbaf is the best outcome of anything but Oda missed

[rustic coral]

It explains how Big Mom survived Wano

[formal wagon]

woooooooooooooooooooooooooow

[leaden rivet]

But it’s factually a retcon.

[magic cedar]

Hey guys I am new to this this server and I need it friends to talk about one piece because all my friends do not watch one piece because it is too long but they don't know it is peak

[leaden rivet]

If you don’t think it is you don’t know what a retcon is

[quiet ice]

Hello fragster

[hearty shore]

both big mom and kaido can survive the magma, big mom by turning the magma into a homie, and kaido by sheer durability

[magic cedar]

I am got up to Manga

[warm sierra]

kinda funny that if kid went to elbaf friendly and just said he beat big mom he would have probably been a national hero

[urban lodge]

It's definitely a retcon, but it's fine, retcons aren't inherently negative

[hot cairn]

it was efficient for Oda having both Kaido and BM go down in one arc but outside of Wano idk if it was a really good idea to have BM be part of the conflict

[formal wagon]

make a tierlist categorizing which strawhats like which flavor of icecream

[tough dust]

i see no point in bringing them back

[quiet ice]

My advice to you is ignore Arsalwise’s numerology theories and you’ll have a good time in the server

[thick mango]

most people mean retcons to be statements of objective fact that get changed. people's understandings, which may be flawed, are not really retcons in most people's understanding of the term.

[hot cairn]

ah yes

[leaden rivet]

"Retcon" (short for retroactive continuity) is a literary device, often used in comics, film, and TV, where new information or events introduced in a later work alter the interpretation, facts, or memory of previously established stories. It is used to fix continuity errors, update characters, or create new plot possibilities by "changing the past" of the narrative.

[dark nymph]

everytime ppl bring up the whole g5 nika thing, people start arguing about the definition of what a retcon is. Point is that shit was NOT planned, call it whatever term you want

a bad plot twist perhaps

[ashen perch]

Peros goes into the dome, makes a mean face at Marco and says ''hmm I spot Marco 😏'', does nothing to him whatsoever, shoots some arrows and gets smacked straight out of the dome again all the while Carrot is just still lying over there lmao

[hot cairn]

yeah but at least she would've had better closure

[leaden rivet]

I’m sure people here will swear Oda planned it from the beginning

[formal wagon]

i swear oda planned it fromt he beginning

on arsal's soul

[wraith mantle]

oda probably did plan it from the beginning he just did a poor job of foreshadowing it

[dark nymph]

arsal you okay with this?

[pulsar timber]

I think it was because wano is supposed to be a changing point in the story. You could split this story into 3 parts, seperated by marineford and wano. Big mom being part of this conflict felt natural to me as she and kaido were the most focused emperors for the entire post timeskip

[gloomy tree]

no soul left

[ashen perch]

my soul is safe

[hot cairn]

yeah

they arent

[quiet ice]

“Carrot will save Luffy!!!”
“Shes going to come to the realization revenge is bad and go help the raid!” Etc etc

Truly amazing stuff

[prisma yacht]

Wano wld have been so much less fun if bm wasn't there

[formal wagon]

okay but i do actually think he probably had the idea for g5 for a good while

[leaden rivet]

I mean the shanks retcon isn’t really that bad but I think Nika does ruin Luffy’s character

[formal wagon]

the zoan change probably not though

[magic cedar]

I think luffy likes meat flavour I know there is no meet flavour but he will and Robin would like Vanilla because why not and chopper strawberry because it suits him nami macha Zoro alcohol you know there the flavour of alcohol ice cream in Japan Sanji I have no idea brook also Vanilla because he is old Frankie cola and gymbe something related to see

[ashen perch]

omg the Luffy theory 😭

I forgot about that

I loved that theory too

look, he was falling in her direction

[brittle basin]

russian bot

[magic cedar]

What

[brittle basin]

what

[dark nymph]

Pero smacking Carrot and telling her to go eat some grass was absolute cinema

[vale heath]

Is this fuel for Imu-Buggy connection

[ashen perch]

what does this mean

[hot cairn]

yeah I agree with that, it's the actual execution of her inclusion in the arc the thing I dont vibe with much

[magic cedar]

What

[dapper tree]

Carrot didn't deserve that

[ashen perch]

yes

I will swear that he did

[leaden rivet]

I had you in mind when I typed that

[hot cairn]

loool people banked too much on Carrot

[leaden rivet]

So thanks for the confirmation

[brittle basin]

which part?

[leaden rivet]

Well you and a few others

But mostly you

[ashen perch]

a retcon is not an inherently negative thing

[hearty shore]

then why did shanks misname a fruit he had to go out of his way to plunder from a government ship

[thick mango]

theres so much sun imagery that the sun god twist seems planned from the beginning. I dunno if he had the name nika or it being important to giants or whatever though

[leaden rivet]

Did Oda come up with Nika since the beginning

[hot cairn]

she did

[vale heath]

This was also back when Shanks wasn't even sure devil fruits were real despite having one, so I can accept an inconsistency here

[brittle basin]

Maybe Nika has been in his head. I can't really prove or disprove that. I'm gonna doubt Gear 5 was planned though.

[hearty shore]

yeah i think sun god existed since skypiea but i don't really remember

[hot cairn]

you think he had Nika in mind since the beginning?

[dapper tree]

She suffered a fate worse than death. She was chill

That was her only crime

[hearty shore]

buggy

[hot cairn]

good, she should've suffered more

[digital spear]

because it might get Luffy killed ?

[wraith mantle]

when did we first learn that shanks stole this DF from the gov?

[pulsar timber]

Oh man is Oda finished. Did he fall off. Is it time to drop onepiece

[brittle basin]

I think opinions that suggest Oda has had most of the story planned from the beginning might lean a little too far into "oda can do no wrong territory."

[ashen perch]

This just doesn't matter. It is the Gomu Gomu fruit as far as the world knows and he's not gonna reveal information that nobody should know about.

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-caesar-clown-uhhhh-stare-funny-gif-20270625

[warm sierra]

wasnt it the flying six dude

[digital spear]

Whos Who said it in Wano

[gloomy tree]

Wano

[dapper tree]

"Luffy, you ate the god fruit, human human mythical model Nika, the forbidden god that no one should no about! Also you can't swim any more"

[ashen perch]

yes absolutely

[dark nymph]

like 30 chaps before the reveal or some shit

[hot cairn]

I do think Oda had gear 5 planned from the start but the Nika thing might just be a late addition

[wraith mantle]

disgusting retcon

oda should be punished

[digital spear]

idk if Oda planned allat maybe he just thought the fruit would be special

[ashen perch]

again, retcons are not an inherently bad thing

[hot cairn]

I think Oda is a master of creating things with foundations that he already had in the story

[brittle basin]

But early in his career, Oda was probably just trying to survive and not get canned. Not sure how how much he planned in regards to that. I think how he implemented the Supernovas at the last second is a good way of looking at how Oda thinks in a week-to-week manga. Or was it the Worst Generation?

[leaden rivet]

The sun god existing since skypiea does not mean Luffy was always the sun god…

[hot cairn]

that's why it always feel forshadowed

[ashen perch]

it is just a reveal of information that can alter and recontextualize our previous understanding of anything

[hot cairn]

chapter 1

[pulsar timber]

I agree but on the other hand there are a lot of people that think Oda just doesn’t plan. Stuff like nika and the sun god I do think were planned before wano. I don’t know when, but I think it was. Just because oda gets an idea for something doesn’t mean he will instantly implement it. He will fit it in wherever it is most natural

[leaden rivet]

Obviously in a retcon you need to change things so they fit the prior story

[wraith mantle]

do we think oda had kuma's backstory figured out in TB?

[leaden rivet]

Which is why people glaze skypiea as if it’s a legendary arc of foreshadowing when it’s not

[digital spear]

he might have

[ashen perch]

He had it in mind in Sabaody for sure

[dark nymph]

Kuma's plotline is more convincing cause it all works out pretty well

[pulsar timber]

This fandom is in a tug of war between Oda has planned everything and Oda didn’t plan

[brittle basin]

I think there is a small chance Oda could've had Nika or other deities planned since Skypeia. Or Oda may have just seen Skypeia as a great way to connect elements of the story as he kept writing. Either is a valid answer. If only Oda would give answers in a sit-down interview, 60 Minutes style.

[hearty shore]

nah he was out of character, i think he worked it out between TB and sabaody

[digital spear]

at least since Bonney cried at the Pacifista during Marienford.

[dark nymph]

she did? Idr that but if so thats cool

[hot cairn]

agreed

the Nika thing isnt bad either

[leaden rivet]

I mean Oda obviously didn’t plan all this shit from the beginning

[brittle basin]

My guess is he has his general outline/plotting notes, like bullet points where he wants to end up. And sometimes he uses the week-to-week method of being a "gardener" style writer to reach those bullet points. Personally, I assume Nika was developed sometime after Gear 4.

[leaden rivet]

But I don’t think he planned it as late as some say

[pulsar timber]

Obviously

[leaden rivet]

Is it obvious?

Then why am I arguing about it right now?

[formal wagon]

obviously

[brittle basin]

I think the nature of week-to-week manga lifestyle prevents an author from planning everything.

[formal wagon]

what about the nurture

[brittle basin]

Plus, we already have it from his own mouth that he didn't plan Law, Bonney, Urouge, etc. right?

[pulsar timber]

I agree. Writes down ideas and how they connect to the story. Like the joyboy stuff I think has been planed for a long time given he was introduced in FMI. I’m willing to believe imu was thought up at the same time as well

[thick mango]

I think the disconnect is between the maximalist position youre arguing against, oda planned literally everything fromt the beginning. And the position people are actually representing, that specific development X was planned to some extent early on

[hearty shore]

well between sabaody and dressrosa and egghead and whatever arc urougue will be in, it had been years

[pulsar timber]

Yeah why are you arguing with me. I never said I believed he had everything planned. Just that there’s a fight between those that do and those that don’t

[ashen perch]

And yet its the same arc where Oda invokes the same broader ideas of the story through Enel and Luffy. Luffy is portrayed as the well and true enemy of the false God, he's portrayed as the warrior of liberation for all of Skypiea, he's the one answering the prayers of Skypieans to make the sun shine once again.

[hearty shore]

in that time he wrote the peak backstories of law and bonney

[leaden rivet]

Well that’s because I’m not arguing with you lol.

[formal wagon]

my guess is he's actually getting the story for one piece beamed into his head by a 4000 year old psychic who really lived in the one piece world.

[ashen perch]

she did yeah

[digital spear]

yeah here and after the war she was mad and wanted to go for Vegapunk in the new world, and when Akainu found Bonney captured by BB that scene was also about that

[pulsar timber]

I misread your reply. Let the one piece fan get to me

[brittle basin]

Yeah, there's a happy medium somewhere. As I mentiond above, I can believe Oda planned Nika back in Skypeia. But I can also believe Nika is a result from him looking back at what he wrote in Skypeia.

[glacial bear]

Planet earth. Hello

[clever hollow]

Urouge mentioned!!!

[formal wagon]

hello

[ashen perch]

this doesnt claim that Oda planned everything

[hearty shore]

yeah like i said, i think it's pretty much here that he got the idea for kuma's backstory because bonney only existed last minute

[dark nymph]

Yeah, undeniable

[ashen perch]

This claims that he planned this one thing

[leaden rivet]

This does

[ashen perch]

no?

[thick mango]

Yeah so they're talking about a specific story beat, the sun god nika stuff, not every little thing

[ashen perch]

its about the same thing again Illya

[leaden rivet]

And that’s what I’m arguing about my friend

[ashen perch]

what is this bad faith screenshot cropping Illya

[leaden rivet]

I don’t care about every little thing

[hearty shore]

TB kuma was WAY too cold

[leaden rivet]

I’m talking specifically about Nika

I haven’t talked about anything else

[dark nymph]

Bonney and Kuma plotline is almost perfection, I just want to see what we do with Kuma now

[ashen perch]

Qbz's message was about everything though?

[brittle basin]

My guess is maybe a no on the "Nika since the beginning" part. I believe there is an SBS where he says he wanted to give Luffy an uninteresting DF so he could utilize those "boring" powers to overcome his opponents.

[leaden rivet]

QBZ message I assume is in response to me

[ashen perch]

no there isnt Buffy

[thick mango]

yes my impression is its very likely that some form of sun god twist was planned very early on, maybe since the beginning

[ashen perch]

he says he gave him the most ridiculous power in the world in that SBS

[brittle basin]

is there not?

[ashen perch]

not the most uninteresting power

[leaden rivet]

And he’s assuming something that I don’t believe is true

[ashen perch]

literally the opposite lol

[trim lily]

couldn’t that mean the same thing

[ashen perch]

not at all?

[trim lily]

it’s ridiculous to have a protagonist with a rubber fruit of all things

[digital spear]

I wonder if he had the idea for Bonney or any of the other supernova before sabaody
he made them all on the spot during sabaody but I wonder if for example he was like "ok the girl I planned for Kumas daughter is one of these people too"

[brittle basin]

probably depends on how once defines ridiculous. I guess in context rubber as power is ridiculous in that "who the fuck can win with rubber" context.

[glacial bear]

I interpret ridiculous as unbelievable and funny

[brittle basin]

But Oda has shown he's fun and clever with Luffy's powers

[trim lily]

a lot of characters in universe point out how weak and silly the idea of someone winning with a rubber fruit is

[hearty shore]

i think he came up with her as his daughter with her existence

[lofty fern]

Huh, we haven't had hints on sundays in a while, I guess all non-spoiler readers need to beware.

[brittle basin]

If he wanted the power to be generically cool, I guess he could've gone with more stereotypical stuff like fire or ice. But Oda wanted to be fun, goofy, and creative, and so went with rubber. Gives Luffy a kind of underdog feeling in that respect.

[dark nymph]

Sacrificed all of Kidd's likability for a peak storyline with Kuma/Bonney

[prisma yacht]

Well if you compare the gear 5 and just the rubber powers obviously id say G5 is more ridiculous

[ashen perch]

he doesnt make the claim that it meant to be an uninteresting or boring power

the claim is the opposite, he wanted to give Luffy the powers that were the most funniest to draw

[trim lily]

ok so it was what we said

[ashen perch]

no?

[brittle basin]

ok yeah it sounds like he wanted luffy to be an excuse to drawn fun and whacky stuff.

[trim lily]

its ridiculous in that he has a rubber fruit of all things when there’s such crazy and strong stuff in this world

[brittle basin]

but he also draws luffy as serious too. a nice balance

[ashen perch]

the most ridiculous power in the world is what the Gorosei describe Nika as too lol, do you think the power actually changed?

[pulsar timber]

Oda wants to be kubo so bad

[trim lily]

idk i got here late lol

[leaden rivet]

Do you believe this is evidence of Nika being planned Arsalwise?

[ashen perch]

its all invoking the same ideas here, Luffy exists to cut the tension throughout the story essentially

[brittle basin]

i think that's a perfect way of Oda connecting it to Nika later on. But I don't think Oda simply using the word ridiculous is the end-all-be-all of confirmation that Nika was planned.

[hot cairn]

we're talking if Nika was planned from the start of the story

[trim lily]

oh so it was that

[ashen perch]

not necessarily

but I was arguing against the claim from Buffy

that the SBS meant that he DID NOT have it planned

[brittle basin]

Skypeia is probably a bit better evidence for Nika in the long run

[ashen perch]

which is just plain false

[leaden rivet]

Never disrespect Oda like this again 🙏

[dark nymph]

I'm of the opinion that it wasn't planned, but there's enough in the story to make it work and it's a net positive addition

[trim lily]

i don’t think it is here either

[ashen perch]

please check the context smh

[prisma yacht]

What did muk mean by this

[leaden rivet]

Just asking a question

[prisma yacht]

😭

[leaden rivet]

Just to be clear

[trim lily]

nothing in skypeia has any connection to nika later on, it’s more oda repurposing stuff from earlier in the story

[ashen perch]

Uh no?

[leaden rivet]

People try to make skypiea more than it is

[trim lily]

the sun god in skypeia was a giant snake they sacrificed people to

[gloomy tree]

Oda is great at putting story hooks to pick up later on

[ashen perch]

no?

[brittle basin]

Every time I look at the fire dance positions, I think, "hm, I wonder if he had an inkling of it here." Or if simply the mention of other gods in skyepia, or enel's connections to the moon, etc. sparked something for Nika. Now, I'm with you, I don't actually believe he planned it during Skypeia. But I can see it if he did.

[hearty shore]

ironically the closest we've been to actually being shown the void century was in skypiea

[ashen perch]

the shandians believed that their deaths would send them as martyrs to the sun god

[hearty shore]

vegapunk told

[ashen perch]

not that the giant snake was the sun god itself

[hearty shore]

not showed

[sturdy steeple]

Skypiea is at the very least thematically very relevant to what's going now.

[ashen perch]

the sacrifice was FOR the sun god, not TO the Sun God

[pulsar timber]

“Wasn’t planned” is extremely vague though. It could have been the start of the story, start of post timeskip, or even wci. I’m sure it was planned before the literal moment as Oda generally outlines his arcs and what not. So what do YOU believe🫵

[trim lily]

meh same thing, that doesn’t really line up with our idea of nika either

[rustic coral]

Hello Keeper

[leaden rivet]

The thing is, I feel like if Nika was actually as planned, it would be more prevalent in the story early on. Like it is now. Like how so many story beats consistently reference Nika in a way that it wasn’t early on.

[rustic coral]

how does it feel being a Gear5 doomer now

[ashen perch]

its a very different thing from the claim that the snake is the sun god but okay

[sturdy steeple]

Hello Federick IT'S SHIKI

[pulsar timber]

It is not shiki

[hearty shore]

i like how LA namedropped nika in little garden

[leaden rivet]

But I mean the existence of Nika and them knowing Luffy has it just makes the Gorosei look retroactively stupid

[sturdy steeple]

I've never been a Gear5 doomer so uhhhh alright.

[rustic coral]

wow

[brittle basin]

Is it really too much for Oda to simply answer this question? I want to believe more than one person has SBS'd this.

[dark nymph]

Start of Wano probs is when he started connecting it all together

[trim lily]

dementia is truly a tragedy

[hearty shore]

gorosei are incompetent lol

they're just evil mcnaughty

[ashen perch]

Why does it not line up? because Nika has many different interpretations. They see him as the destroyer, the clown, the liberator, there's all sorts of ideas about him.

[leaden rivet]

After letting Wapol escape with their biggest secret you can’t take them too seriously I suppose

[hot cairn]

yeah I agree with this

[trim lily]

what about the sun god in skypeia could possibly be linked to the nika we know now

[ashen perch]

he said he had planned to draw that moment in reference to Gear 5 for a very long time atleast

[trim lily]

it’s off handedly mentioned alongside 3 other never mentioned gods

[sturdy steeple]

I still don't think he had it planned then. I'm sure he had a plan of abilities Gear 5 would possess though.

[hearty shore]

like you look at this monkey D luffy kid and he has rubber powers and he overthrows tyrants and he's the son of the one marine guy who saved the world from having a one man army (DR rocks) destroying nations and they think "hmm not nika"

[sturdy steeple]

Or future forms in general.

[brittle basin]

Oda's reasoning was the fruit (since it's a zoan) has eluded them for 800 years, right? I'm not saying it's a competent answer. But that was his answer, right? As if the zoan personality got metaphorical legs and ran away?

[trim lily]

i think gear 5 started as just a typical df awakening like doffy, then oda got the idea of retconning it into the nika fruit

[dark nymph]

yep

[pulsar timber]

I’ll contact Oda and ask him

[brittle basin]

Forgive me, but I want way more than that. I want precise answers.

[trim lily]

because gear 5 really isn’t that different from a paramecia awakening outside of the form change

[ashen perch]

they were literally just mentioned again?

[trim lily]

thank you

oda blocked me from the fax machine

[ashen perch]

wdym never mentioned gods??

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I think he’s trying to make it a “fate” thing which is no excuse for them to not even try to capture Luffy

[trim lily]

when else, other than after nika

[rustic coral]

I think the Sun God was already planned in FMI, then he had to plan for a powerup/awakening for Luffy and he just kinda connected the dots through Who's Who and fleshed it out before the Oden flashback

[ashen perch]

the harley

[sturdy steeple]

He could've had like a deity in his mind but Nika and Sun God in Skypiea sounds like something he repurposed.

[trim lily]

other than after nika

[hearty shore]

it wouldn't surprise me if nika fruit literally did that

[ashen perch]

oh after Nika, I mean the Sun God was mentioned again in Big Mom's flashback.

[hearty shore]

like grow legs and escape the gorosei tom and jerry style

[trim lily]

that’s fair actually

[sturdy steeple]

But the whole arc is thematically very relevant because it's essentially the same thing as what WG is doing now.

[thick mango]

theres been sun all along the way. the first arc is romance dawn. Our new/final ship is the thousand sunny. The fishmen who represent some of the hardest struggles for freedom are the sun pirates

[trim lily]

though still not really the nika we know

but i’ll give that oda might’ve had the idea of nika in whole cake

[ashen perch]

is it really just

about time?

[trim lily]

yeah

[ashen perch]

thats ridiculous

[hearty shore]

about time for what

[sturdy steeple]

Enel was a God who ruled ruthlessly and imposed a punishemnt on anyone he deemed unworthy. Same thing is happening with Imu now.

[ashen perch]

we all know that the story was not meant to last this long

[hearty shore]

warlords' fault

[leaden rivet]

I think it’s reasonable that Oda came up with it somewhere early post time skip, though I feel like if he had he would reference it more

[ashen perch]

Oda could've planned something in 1997 and it doesnt make anything less likely to be planned if it took him 25 years to get to it

[sturdy steeple]

Early post-ts is possible

[brittle basin]

oda could've used the break of the ts to further plan things out, including nika

[formal wagon]

i blame oda

[hearty shore]

25 years is more than enough to have so many ideas and forgetting many and coming up with more interesting ideas and just brewing stuff in his head all around, i'm sure there were concepts but he wasn't sure which one he would go with

[rustic coral]

I dont think Oda fleshed out Joy Boy by FMI

[sturdy steeple]

Idk, I might still be wrong. We'll see what he had in mind when he realeses some of his drafts. We need the story to finish though.

[ashen perch]

like even during 1996, when OP was just a prototype, Luffy's fruit is valued at 5 billion berries in the oneshots and considred an extremely rare and special fruit by Garp and Shanks

[hearty shore]

did oda have a break in TS?

[ashen perch]

just because it took him decades to get to that reveal, it doesnt change anything

[ashen perch]

yes, but not the point at all

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/pica-pica-one-piece-dressrosa-one-piece-swordsman-gif-17712235652946852609

[brittle basin]

he did for the live action when he went to south africa. i think there was a month long break after MF right? and then he got badly sick and I think that caused him to only do 3 weeks then a break. maybe during any of that time?

[sturdy steeple]

But I think a lot of people are overestimating authors' capabilities. Some important and crucial to the story things were added by Oda at the last second.

[rustic coral]

1 month yea

[leaden rivet]

Something often done here….

@ashen perch 🫵

[sturdy steeple]

Oda is a reallyyyy good at doing that.

[ashen perch]

its not an overestimation to say that Oda had the broader story planned at the start

[leaden rivet]

I mean that’s not what we’re talking about Arsalwise

[ashen perch]

Illya

Nika is part of that broader story

[leaden rivet]

Yes Arsalwise

[ashen perch]

he's part of the ending

he's part of the very core of the series right now

[dark nymph]

Illyasae*

[leaden rivet]

He is now

But he wasn’t before

[formal wagon]

;xob the name dropping

[sturdy steeple]

But the broader story is also a vague thing. He could've had Joyboy stuff and whatnot with completely other abilities.

We don't know that so nothing to argue, really.

[ashen perch]

he's even relevant to the One Piece, since Joyboy left the treasure at Laugh Tale

[brittle basin]

I think the safer answer is Oda is just really good at leaving things just open enough he can connect back to the earlier parts of the story at later times.

[leaden rivet]

Yes yes arsalwise he’s extremely relevant now since it was revealed. Now everything is related to Nika. But it was not this way at all pre timeskip

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, exactly

[ashen perch]

this is called a reveal

[sturdy steeple]

And that could've easily happened in Skypiea too

[leaden rivet]

Something doesn’t need to be revealed to have adequate foreshadowing and presence

[sturdy steeple]

Especially because it's an arc about an ancient city

[ashen perch]

When a concept is that integral to the very core of the story, the claim that he had it planned is not ridiculous at all.

this isnt me saying that he had every arc planned to the every last detail

[leaden rivet]

Well he planned it I’m just saying he didn’t plan it since the beginning

[ashen perch]

do you also think that the One Piece changed?

[leaden rivet]

It could’ve

[ashen perch]

Oda has explicitly said that it hasnt

[brittle basin]

i would not be surprised if it has changed

[hearty shore]

nah i think that's the one constant in oda's head

[leaden rivet]

I think there are larger plot pieces that have been altered

[formal wagon]

i would

[ashen perch]

like if you need to hear it from Oda so badly

[leaden rivet]

To fit the new narrative of the story

[ashen perch]

Oda has said that the ending and the identity of the treasure has never ever changed lol

[hearty shore]

which means if someone actually figures out the one piece, TOEI's gotta pull off a gravity falls

[brittle basin]

but if he changed it, that's fine. and if he has not, that's also fine.

[dark nymph]

dreading the day people start connecting the dots

[ashen perch]

so its important to establish that the ending and the treasure has not changed at all

[glacial bear]

Gravity falls?

[ashen perch]

because both of them have everything to do with Nika as well

[thick mango]

dont talk about what happens in gravity falls here please, #western-series with spoiler tags

[hearty shore]

people figured out a super major plot line so the creator deceived the fans by making them look the other way

[hot cairn]

agreed

[ashen perch]

Joyboy is the man that left the treasure at Laugh Tale, he left it for a purpose

[glacial bear]

Ohhh

[ashen perch]

the purpose is meant to decide the fate of the world itself

[leaden rivet]

I think there’s certain plot points that maybe came upon early on

Like I think Imu existed rather early into the series

[ashen perch]

but why only certain? why not all of the ending?

[thick mango]

I think there are plenty of examples of foreshadowing/hooks that didnt work out where a pivot took place. Most recently maybe lola loki is an example of this. But I dont think the sun god or one piece stuff has pivoted much at all since the beginning

[leaden rivet]

The warlords obviously came in late into production

[brittle basin]

i'm going to assume imu was not planned too early. it's possible Oda thought of him as soon of the gorosei were revealed, but i'm gonna guess not

[ashen perch]

well thats actually also false

the Warlords didnt exist in the original plans

[leaden rivet]

Yes that’s what I’m sayin?

[ashen perch]

but they are mentioned just less than 40 chapters into the story

not what I would describe as late

[ashen perch]

where does this end

[leaden rivet]

Honestly I think Imu is as planned as early as the Gorosei were

Buffy

[wraith mantle]

Idk I am fully convinced that the nika fruit plot twist is like an idea Oda had from the very beginning

[hearty shore]

i think the idea of one king of the world was always there

[hot cairn]

yeah Imu was probably an idea Oda had since the start

[rustic coral]

Imu def not, he was probably planned in Dressrosa or the end of it

[wraith mantle]

Imu joyboy and the nika df were ideas there since the very beginning

[brittle basin]

No idea, it's all a gut feeling.

[leaden rivet]

The world government having a big bad is too basic of a shonen for me to believe he didn’t exist until post timeskip

[ashen perch]

I think with the idea that the story's ending and the treasure's identity has never ever changed, a lot of these ideas fail to make any sense

[sturdy steeple]

I mean the main villain was prolly planned earlier than later lol

[wraith mantle]

Question is

Who is the main villain???

[thick mango]

well we know the main villian was fleshed out as early as jaya

drum island actually

[leaden rivet]

Qbz you’re a BB>Imu?

[sturdy steeple]

I don't think Gorosei really matter because they were just his pawns from the start.

[leaden rivet]

Never would’ve guessed

[ashen perch]

Imu, Nika, Joyboy, all of them are deeply connected to both the OP and the Ending

[prisma idol]

Imu

[thick mango]

i could see it either way but BB>imu is the way i prefer right now

[quiet ice]

I think he probably had a character in mind that is currently Nika/Joyboy and the relation to the one piece. If he for sure hasn’t changed what the one piece is then I dont think it’s crazy to suggest he had Imu and Nika and the void century stuff loosely planned. In a broad general sense I’m sure he had their dynamic set in stone while having the story that gets us there change throughout the years. Whether Luffy’s fruit was supposed to be the Nika fruit is another story I think.

[sturdy steeple]

Oda just decided to do WG a typical villain group but the core should've always been there.

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-imu-speed-imu-ishowspeed-speed-imu-ishowspeed-imu-gif-5082088216306763781

[prisma yacht]

Let's just say potential final villain

[dark nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-sama-imu-one-piece-imu-one-piece-gif-9591400471796142390

[leaden rivet]

Arsal

When do you predict the Davey thing was created

Oh nvm I think you told me before

[prisma idol]

Honestly Davy feels recent

[hot cairn]

mmm

[brittle basin]

I think Oda is a gardener type writer instead of a plotter by the very nature of shonen's week-to-week schedule. Similar to Stephen King and GRRM, he makes up the story as he goes. However, I think he has - like what I told Muk - bullet points that he has in his notes off to the side or wherever. So, while the bullet points might not change too much, how he gets to those bullet points are up in the air. And it's possible he gets spurts of inspiration during this process and updates his bullet points. I think this is a way that Nika can get involved. He was a major bullet point that got added to Oda's notes somewhere along the way. I just don't know when.

[ashen perch]

start

[wraith mantle]

Yeah

Quite recent, LRLL recent

[leaden rivet]

Didn’t you say ….

Oh nvm

Okay

[prisma idol]

I do not think the Davy Jones mentioned there was supposed to be an eventual character

[ashen perch]

I said that Davy was planned to be important when Oda namedropped it yeah

[prisma idol]

Just look how oda drew them in the SBS

Davy D. Jones is a recent thing

[ashen perch]

I didnt say that Oda had just conceived of him there, I think he too was conceived from the start

[prisma idol]

It just fits nicely with LRLL

[brittle basin]

I think when Robin namedropped Davy was a point in which Oda included him, at the very least, into the greater worldbuilding of OP.

Now, I don't know if that means Oda had him solidified narratively yet, only that he was something or someone that has lore attached to them.

[hearty shore]

oda probably seething that they stole his idea of making davy jones have an octopus head and beard

[ashen perch]

POTC predates OP

[brittle basin]

well, not the disney films. just the ride

it's a good ride btw

[leaden rivet]

So you also think rocks was also from the start

Hmm

[hearty shore]

davy jones movie came out before LRLL?

[ashen perch]

nah

[leaden rivet]

🤨

[ashen perch]

?

[leaden rivet]

So Davey from start but rocks not?

[ashen perch]

Theres a lot of things that I think Oda had not planned lol

[leaden rivet]

The Davey concept is pointless without rocks

[ashen perch]

do you want me to list them?

I can list them

[leaden rivet]

Yes

[ashen perch]

no its not

[leaden rivet]

List them

[brittle basin]

i assume rocks was not planned

[glacial bear]

Ooo clocked them

[thick mango]

davey only needs BB it doesnt strictly need rocks

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/full-bore-and-into-the-abyss-davy-jones-abyss-dark-bore-gif-22332324

[ashen perch]

okay actually, it will take too long

[hearty shore]

one wano tuesday oda thought "hmm i really feel like writing a shakespearean tragedy of a man who had everything then lost it all in a couple of minutes because he tried to save his family from a danger he stopped preparing for" and that's how garp namedropped rocks

[iron oriole]

THATS WHY SHE'S THE GOAT

[dark nymph]

List the most major ones

[brittle basin]

Oda's got a lot to live up to to avoid getting compared to this masterpiece of a mofo.

[hot cairn]

I wanna see the list too

[ashen perch]

from the start only right?

[hot cairn]

ye

[prisma yacht]

What list

[blazing depot]

Lend me some omen Imu, this is base Sanji

[ashen perch]

what wasnt planned from the start, doesnt count if it was planned later

[glacial bear]

He buys the rights to Pirates of the Caribbean

[dark nymph]

Imu hitting Sanji with a kick felt personal

[hearty shore]

davy jones btw (catfish fish man, former king of the world)

[brittle basin]

called a skill issue

[blazing depot]

Davy Jones is just gonna be your average Somali

Like the Hoodgenius face reveal

[hearty shore]

void century characters will be the most ridiculous character deisngs you've ever seen

[brittle basin]

i thought bb was the token somali? or what race did he give bb?

[hearty shore]

except for imu cuz he's locked in and he destroyed that civilization

[blazing depot]

Blackbeard is canonically Somali. Which I appreciate since I’m Somali and we barely get representation in media lol

[dark nymph]

tbh I don't fw the Imu dots

[celest mauve]

https://x.com/i/status/2045965030857089193

sandman (@sandman_AP)

💡Lost in Translation: The official Viz English version skipped Imu's Maki is sad but inebitable. Oda wrote Omen and Maki at the same time in the panels in Japanese version. The connection between Haki and Maki is interesting!

X · Apr 19, 2026, 8:37 PM

[leaden rivet]

Well I do see a lot of it, just never positive rep unfortunately

And Blackbeard doesn’t really help

[ashen perch]

The Warlords, though I believe Doflamingo was Kaido's All Star, just not a Warlord
Every Supernova
Big Mom's defeat, but its connected to the Supernova ofc
The current version of every non final war arc, I think Oda had ideas about Skypiea, Alabasta, FMI, Wano, Elbaf, Hachinosu, but he didnt actually plan them out until the arcs actually started.

these would be the major ones I guess

[blazing depot]

Oops all pirates

[rustic coral]

@ashen perch was Joyboy in the first world or in the second (void century) ? Is it the same time as Davy

[blazing depot]

But yeah I have a few cousins who look like Teach 😭

[brittle basin]

Why not the BM defeat?

[ashen perch]

second world, same time as Davy

[rustic coral]

i didnt put together the timelines idk

[ashen perch]

because Kid and Law didnt exist

[pulsar timber]

Demon haki is finally real

[ashen perch]

she was meant to be beaten by Luffy

[rustic coral]

who was in the first world then

[brittle basin]

oh i see what you mean arsal

[ashen perch]

Nika, God of War

[rustic coral]

Imu too ig? Or whatever Imu represents?

[brittle basin]

DOOM Piece™

[blazing depot]

Yall ain’t ready for this

THE FIRST WORLD
Tokyo (later known as Wano)

[brittle basin]

I WILL FUCKING ROPE MYSELF IF THE FIRST WORLD IS EARTH.

[dark nymph]

listing only the confirmed ones and their extensions is cowardly smh

[blazing depot]

Imagine if the god of war back then was just a Kratos rip off

Well then again Harald kinda looks like modern Kratos

[glacial bear]

Nooooo don’t do that

Although I do believe the first world could be either the earth or moon

[brittle basin]

Oda better make it earth-adjacent, or so help me god

[ashen perch]

I think the original planned out 10 year story was:
East Blue, getting the same Strawhats
Adventure in Paradise, getting the rest of the SHs. Includes Skypiea, Alabasta, and Thriller Bark
Adventure in New World, SHs v Every Single Emperor. Kaido arc, BM arc, Shanks arc, Buggy arc, BB arc.
Final War, fight against the WG, Laugh Tale, end of story.

and ofc, the details of these arcs were figured out as he went along

but he had the idea of the arcs happening atleast

[brittle basin]

Oda, circa mid-90s, planning stage: "recruit all crew members in the East Blue, with Yamato being the final nakama."

[ashen perch]

well I am going off of what Oda has actually said smh

I dont see a reason to doubt him, he has honestly revealed every time something was not planned

[blazing depot]

Carrot came to him like divine revelation

[trim lily]

a revelation from satan

[charred flower]

This could mean several thing... hopefully means they are like 5yr olds and you can see them with fewer or more teeth on different occasions

[trim lily]

oda grew to despise her after he made her