also-manga

[wet condor]

Oden is comparatively more in line with the hero archetype that you see in early medieval and ancient society, but he still has some modern elements too of course

[wraith mantle]

But this is probably recency bias

[alpine trench]

Oden was meant to be a more legendary story

Harald’s is not framed as a legend

[fringe ice]

Cautionary tragic tale

Tragedy really

[distant vine]

I think while Harald personally was naive he went about things probably in the best way for Elbaph and culturally he won

[vernal ravine]

who made a worst decision, oden accepting the deal of dancing everyday or harald taking off his horns and accepting to be a slave if its need

[soft tangle]

Harald did what Garp wouldn’t

[alpine trench]

Did he win? All of his legacy was built on a false hope and spelled doom for his country in the long run

[wraith mantle]

Damn that’s tough

[wet condor]

Being self-serving, doing as one pleases with less of a regard for others.

[fringe ice]

Harald, but he didn't know better

[wet condor]

Up until a point anyway

[alpine trench]

Harald

[distant vine]

In terms of making it a more peace-loving country

[alpine trench]

Oden had people to save in hundreds

[fringe ice]

Oden was goated for it

[distant vine]

Though there is the circle in the castle and thats bad lol

[alpine trench]

By erasing the culture that could’ve been molded into a positive yeah, Indi

[leaden rivet]

Harald surrending himself was selfish despite him attempting to be selfless

[glacial bear]

Harald loved Ida so much he wanted the dream they shared to be a reality.

[wet condor]

It wasn't motivated by selfishness

[distant vine]

But its not like all of Elbaph's might is erased. The kids just focus on other stuff now

[glacial bear]

And Oden was naive to believe Orochi would keep his word. He could’ve killed Orochi, but Orochi had hostages

[fringe ice]

Ida

[leaden rivet]

Yep

[alpine trench]

It is selfish, because Harald took responsibility single handedly for his country’s history

[fringe ice]

Doesn't have to be to still be selfish

[stone terrace]

yeah oden at the very least should have asked for help

[alpine trench]

And ended up being damned for it

Oden’s reliance on himself only also manifested into being his fatal flaw

But he did tell his people eventually

[wet condor]

I don't know where you're going with this Illya but I've seen people characterize Harald's actions as being a quest for glory or being self-indulgent, which I think is obviously a misread of the situation.

[glacial bear]

He didn’t tho. It was one of the Akazaya

[stone terrace]

i sympathize with oden to some degree thoug, i saw harald keep doing bonehead shit

[wet condor]

Not saying that's what you're saying

[stone terrace]

you went after your "friend" TWICE

https://tenor.com/view/roman-reigns-wwe-seth-rollins-get-this-bum-outta-here-bum-gif-7243942330562462213

[alpine trench]

He took it upon himself and by taking the help of his retainers in the final moments and sacrificing himself for them, he ended up being the catalyst for the rebellion 20 years later

[stone terrace]

And then you cried when your overlords killed him

[woven talon]

the color manga looks so bleh in some places

Oda's art is a bit too sketchy for it in this era

[wet condor]

Just because they didn't like what he did lol

[glacial bear]

He didn’t. It was Shinobu

[graceful belfry]

Colored manga in general isn’t all that people make it up to be. I find it to be a lot worse than the B&W in most instances

[vernal ravine]

i think harald's decision is worse than the oden dancing one but as a future shogun oden decision of continue his travel even when he saw the factories is far worse as a leader than anything harald has done, for me

[alpine trench]

I was talking about his responsibility for his dance and them going to fight Kaido, he did tell them then about what he was going through

[dark nymph]

do sketches like these get any better in paper volume releases?

[alpine trench]

What was he supposed to do, he was forced by his wife to go and see his journey through to the end

[ashen perch]

Oda doesn't redraw anything if its not an outright mistake

[wet condor]

Oden could've just said no though lol

[stone terrace]

he couldve honestly just told roger hey

[graceful belfry]

Volume releases are night and day compared to magazine ones, as far as the actual clarity of the art is concerned

[ashen perch]

that is a volume scan, that was colored on

[alpine trench]

Why would he say no

[stone terrace]

lets clean this up real quick

THEN go adventuring

[alpine trench]

That is not what he is like

[woven talon]

no this is post volume. this is final

color manga is based on the volume version

[distant vine]

Wouldnt even want that tbh

[ashen perch]

eh I wish he would sometimes

[alpine trench]

The colored manga is so bad with the coloring

[ashen perch]

Horikoshi used to do so much in the volume releases lol

[alpine trench]

In the macro it looks good

[dark nymph]

damn, so even the Kuma chapters aren't redrawn? you know the ones

[alpine trench]

They were

[glacial bear]

That’s pretty true 😭

With the help of the Roger Pirates. Kaido and Orochi and that barrier guy would stand no chance

[stone terrace]

horikoshi also has an army of assistants

[ashen perch]

it makes me wish more mangaka did that lol

[glacial bear]

Roger would’ve DOGWALKED KAIDO

[stone terrace]

oda barely lets his do anything

[distant vine]

That was incomplete so its different Rezz

[alpine trench]

Unfinished chapters are redrawn for the volume

Or rather, completed

[fringe ice]

Maybe with help

[wet condor]

Because his country was being ruled by traitors. Like you can aruge that "it's not in his nature" but if you say that, I don't know if you're excusing what he did lol

[ashen perch]

ah no they were redrawn

[distant vine]

We also have a Harald scene to look forward to be completed

[glacial bear]

Wano defo would’ve been free

[vernal ravine]

i understand the decision of oden as a character that's why i said as a leader, i think he was worse leader than harald

[graceful belfry]

Oh, true. I forgot about that one cause I hardly noticed it while I was reading

[alpine trench]

I think this hindsight “he could’ve have just stopped” refuses to consider context or character or situation

[ashen perch]

True but still, seeing some pages get turned into sick double spreads because there's no page limit on the volume releases is really cool

Oda could benefit from that sometimes...

[glacial bear]

If shanks was able to prevent Kaido from arriving to Marineford. I could only imagine what Roger would be capable of doing to Kaido, who alone got traumatized by Oden’s strength

I love Kaido tho. Don’t get me wrong

[ashen perch]

there were a few incomplete pages that got fixed in this volume as well

[wet condor]

I'd say this for a lot of characters. I understand Harald's nature and why he chose to do things. That's a separate thing lol. It's not hard for me to follow his reasoning because it's spelled out for you. The more interesting question is "should he have done it" lol

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/oden-grin-one-piece-oden-grin-smile-gif-27691845

[ashen perch]

1157 was missing shading/screentones in multiple pages

[glacial bear]

I wanna see prime Roger vs Akainu now

[alpine trench]

I don’t find that interesting, flaws are what makes them interesting, their tragedy in the moment is what makes it interesting to me, it’s the precipitating snowball effect that mirrors Luffy and his adventure in a variety of lights shining through the prism

[wet condor]

As the heir apparent, given that your country is being ruled by traitors and foreigners, I think it's incumbent upon you to actually handle that situation regardless of your yearning for adventure — especially if you allege to care about your people lol

[distant vine]

Old Garp beats Akainu so Prime Roger wins

[vernal ravine]

i think the main harald problem is he wanted to speedrun something that takes lot of decades, which is the thoughts of the people, and his haste is what led to the conviction

[glacial bear]

After seeing sick Whitebeard giving Akainu a challenge. Yeah Roger in his prime would defo dominate 💪

[distant vine]

Well I mean...the people's thoughts changed

[glacial bear]

Roger, Whitebeard, Garp, & Rocks are like the 4 pillars of the old era

Still crazy to me that Roger went to a draw with the worlds strongest man

[desert nest]

Oden had to go to the flower capital for the poneglyph, his had was trapped there. He def had to know what was going on

[wet condor]

Or your wife divorcing you

[distant vine]

I can see the argument that leaving the roots of the WG in Elbaph with the circle was a failing, and it would have been fatal to the country if nor for outsiders

[brittle basin]

smh oda is washed, can't even remember screentones

[ashen perch]

nah they werent forgotten, just not applied in time

[brittle basin]

i'm going to ignore what you said and continue my tirade

[alpine trench]

He was never declared the heir apparent and while he was out, the situation changed, Orochi’s tyranny didn’t reach a fever pitch as it did later, Oden’s defining trait is his journey that leads him back to Wano until it’s too late, which is only exacerbated by Toki, who truly believed in his journey yielding good for Wano

And besides, again, you’re employing the argument of “oh he SHOULDVE done this”, if he did then it wouldn’t be a cautionary tale and make Oden a boring safe character

[ashen perch]

you can see rough pencil shading on those panels, to indicate to assistants that this is where the tones are to be applied

[fringe ice]

Welp, I do think it was a weaker Kaido back then, so maybe. Oden was at least Roger tier post-journey for me

[sturdy steeple]

Stupid fucking assistants. Can’t do shit. Poor Oda…..

[stone terrace]

oden himself almost beat kaido a few years later

[ashen perch]

its most likely his fault

[brittle basin]

Oda, hire 10 more assistants.

[stone terrace]

roger wouldve handled that

and then we have ray and gaban for cleanup

[spice cairn]

Hello, good afternoon

[sturdy steeple]

No assistants are at fautlt my god isnt liek thafgt

[dark nymph]

fire the editors, and hire more drawing assistants

[spice cairn]

What is on the menu today

[ashen perch]

if Oda cannot complete his side of the work in time, it leaves the assistants with a lot less time to do their work. Thats why the first thing that goes wrong in unfinished chapters is the assistant's work

[distant vine]

T-The editors are probably a net good

[wanton sundial]

meat sweet treats and cheeses

[spice cairn]

Are we blaming Oda?

Yeah good fuck him

[stone terrace]

ye he sucks

[dark nymph]

why did you stutter

[sturdy steeple]

DONT YOU DARE

[spice cairn]

#KillOda100%

[stone terrace]

AI is almost ready to replace odarse

[wet condor]

He didn't know at the very beginning. But he could tell that something wasn't right. But he didn't ask any more questions after his wife rebuffed him and told him that he needed to go on his adventure. I'm willing to believe that the Toki understand the necessity of him to go on this journey, given that she was from the past and that makes her reaction understandable. I wish we had seen her explain that. For meta reasons, if she knows, she didn't because that's endgame stuff and Oda is saving it for later lol

[wanton sundial]

cause it- it- it's... it's really cold rn..

[distant vine]

To evoke the sense of shock I guess

[spice cairn]

OdaGPT, make me a sequel to the Oden backstory

[brittle basin]

True. Don't let an editor hold Oda back anymore with his stupid opinions. Let Oda finish One Piece with no holds barred.

[vernal ravine]

in a big way, but he wanted to do it in the whole world which is what pushed him to join to the WG and that's why i talked about haste i think he didn't understand that you don't have to be chill with everybody and he tried something utopian, while the most sensible thing was probably simply to wait for the generational shift in people's thinking about giants as elbaph progressed, for me

[alpine trench]

Wano arc

[ashen perch]

I was gonna say

[distant vine]

Oh I see what you mean

[ashen perch]

thats just wano lol

[spice cairn]

I was going to be coy and say Yamato but this works

[distant vine]

It really helped Elbaph in the moment to have those ties but I see what you mean

[stone terrace]

toki probably did have the whole 5 billion possibilities and this was the only good outcome thing going on

[spice cairn]

Theres more to Wano than just Oden mister

Theres Kaido

[ashen perch]

well the flashback is still kind of like a prequel

so it works

[alpine trench]

Oden’s story is what leads to Wano and its events

[distant vine]

I do wonder what changes we would see with no editors

[alpine trench]

The tragedy of his death endured until the raid

[spice cairn]

We share our backstories evenly here

[distant vine]

Like what aspects of his writing get extreme and what quiet down

[stone terrace]

if wano is freed maybe luffy never goes there and never unlocks g5 and then dies to urouge idk

[fringe ice]

Not to spoil it for you but Oden dies at the end of his flashback so it can only really go on to everyone else

[ashen perch]

no Law

Law is ERASED

[alpine trench]

Would’ve made the story better

[ashen perch]

so true

[wanton sundial]

to spoil wano for you, otama is sad cause ace died.

[spice cairn]

Why are we spoiling Wano

[fringe ice]

I'm about to call the mods

[spice cairn]

You are ruining it for half the people in this server

[dark nymph]

Law overstayed his welcome

[alpine trench]

Not to spoil One Piece for you, Luffy is going on a journey with his friends

[ashen perch]

its tough to say right now though, its not like we have known of a single editor contribution since like Dressrosa

[fringe ice]

We're just making shit up now

[alpine trench]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HCbnGJ0X0AExS4b.gif

[distant vine]

Leaving aside that Dressrosa would become just good rather than a Top 5 arc, I think the Pre Timeskip glazers would become fully right in a no Law timeline

[ashen perch]

yeah but PH would be like 15 chapters too

[spice cairn]

Law didnt do anything wrong

[distant vine]

Cause part of the appeal of Post Timeskip for me (the structure) is gone when the guy who decides where the crew goes leaves lol

[stone terrace]

if law isnt prominent we probably get a kidd focused arc

LMAO

[fringe ice]

Dressrosa top 3 and it ain't 3

[spice cairn]

Except exist

[wet condor]

Heir apparent means what it says, the "apparent heir to the throne". The title of shogun irl was effectively a hereditary title that more or less functioned in this way. I don't see it being much different for One Piece. But that's besides the point. I understand all of what you're saying. I'm not arguing that it's bad from a literary perspective. If you think that Oden prioritizing his country over some foreign adventure is boring or not worth talking about then that deads that lol

[ashen perch]

maybe the post ts hate would be lessened if Punk Hazard wasnt so long smh

[distant vine]

Well No Supernovas exist without editors

[alpine trench]

Ok Dressrosa is good because Law gets thrown around like a ragdoll and beat like a little bitch

[fringe ice]

sigh

[ashen perch]

actually

Kid did exist

[dark nymph]

he needed more screentime anyway

[ashen perch]

well, I guess its not clear what Oda really meant?

[fringe ice]

What could've been...

[leaden rivet]

Kid is far more interesting to me than Law anyway

[alpine trench]

Law going in way over his head in Dressrosa and being called out by Sanji

[wet condor]

There's obviously an interesting conversation that can be had from the point of literary analysis of Oden's character

[ashen perch]

but he did say ''I always thought Kid would play a major role in the story, never Law though''

[fringe ice]

He said he thought Kid would be the fan favorite

[distant vine]

Well I feel like thats after the suggestion of adding in the Worst Gen

[wet condor]

I am also more interested in Kidd than Law

[fringe ice]

But Law turned out more popular

[ashen perch]

yeah I guess its not clear

[distant vine]

As in he got the suggestion and then made Kid with the intention of being the No. 2 of them

[ashen perch]

that too yeah

[leaden rivet]

To be a fan favorite you need to win more

[fringe ice]

As a Kid fan this hurts

[stone terrace]

oda didnt realize laws design appealed to teenage girls

it was joever

[ashen perch]

that whole story is a bit hard to believe tbh, so the editor just kind of vaguely told Oda to spice up Sabaody and he went and did all that?

he must have had SOME idea about these characters already

[fringe ice]

Tbh I reckon we were getting Dressrosa anyway

[stone terrace]

ik his ass is breathing easier now that he doesnt have to write around the op op fruit

[ashen perch]

I bet he had an idea of Bonney as someone related to Kuma, but then just made her a supernova for example

[graceful belfry]

Shanks being Kid’s primary conflictual dynamic is funny considering the “fan favorite” stuff. Like, how did he expect anyone to like the character going at Shanks, playing with the idea that that was even the initial intention

[icy magnet]

didn't his wife say that Oda can't kill Law too or something?

[ashen perch]

no

[distant vine]

Oda exploding the Haki system to absurd heights just so Law doesnt solo the New World

[fringe ice]

Eventually we're gonna hear about "haki fields" that make Law unable to use his powers

[glacial bear]

Law & Kidd are with big mom now ❤️

[dark nymph]

they're all coming back

all 3

[glacial bear]

The new monster trio

[fringe ice]

[distant vine]

I wonder if Bepo is doing circus tricks to pay for Law's hospital bill like CP9 did for Lucci

[wet condor]

Shanks taking Loki out of his devil fruit form

[wet condor]

Or preventing him from transforming

[fringe ice]

Haki grenade

[dark nymph]

if you mean Kaido, nah that mf is dead

He deserves to be forgotten

[distant vine]

Why did people ask where Imu is going like he was going somewhere else

[fringe ice]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-vs-kaido-luffy-v-kaido-wano-wano-kuni-gif-12829637601005251637

[graceful belfry]

Yeah, the Kuma and Bonney stuff feels way too predetermined to be a narrative he came up with for a character on a whim

[fringe ice]

When Kid comes back I'm changing my bio to Kaido soon

[ashen perch]

yupp

[graceful belfry]

But I believe in serendipity in writing. Things can just work out

[winged sable]

no point in Kaido coming back at this point

[thick mango]

I don't think kid can't come back but I'm kinda skeptical he's coming back to this elbaf moment

[leaden rivet]

Well Barto is sort of a fan favorite and he went against shanks

[wet condor]

What about end of arc?

[royal orchid]

[stone terrace]

dread it, run from it, shanks comes regardless

[fringe ice]

Zoro don't care

[wet condor]

This arc

?

[winged sable]

yeah whatever the next arc is, i can see it being similar to egghead where we get some jumps around to other main storylines going on

[thick mango]

Maybe they pick him up on the way out? I think we gonna be forced to flee elbaf

[stone terrace]

his opponents

[ashen perch]

Nusjuro will remember Ryuma but Zoro fans gotta relax on trying to connect him with Imu smh

[autumn island]

Brook is spinning the new Bilmuri album with Gunko

[thick mango]

If imu is a swordsman is zoro actually the main character?

[distant vine]

Stupid meme

[fringe ice]

https://tenor.com/view/mihawk-one-piece-mihawk-one-piece-fan-letter-mihawk-fan-letter-fan-letter-mihawk-gif-5730632925878386636

[dark nymph]

oh yeah so much for Brook "disrupting" Imunko with his music

[autumn island]

These titles of WSM, WSC and WSS were put in to mess with us

[fringe ice]

Son of the Devil, Dracule.

[leaden rivet]

It just means Imu isn’t the main villain

[autumn island]

Would be interesting if he was some sort of descendant

[graceful belfry]

I think Barto wins the fanbase over off of sheer charm alone. For the sake of rebuttal, though, Shanks didn’t really seem to care all that much in the grand scheme of it all. He was forced to make his point to prioritize his reputation but even Shanks, himself was sort of charmed by Barto’s admiration for Luffy

[stone terrace]

rn what im thinking is the destroying hearts do kill holy knights as many have theorized. Sommers gets his busted in combat but its not enough to repel imu. But gunko voluntarily gives up hers to brook

[wraith mantle]

the manga about pirates will have a pirate as the final villain

simple as

[soft tangle]

Space alien

[autumn island]

Sommers’ heart being encased in steel suggests to me Imu’s powers involve alchemy also

[stone terrace]

The manga about ninjas will have a ninja as the final villain

Incroyab;e

[wraith mantle]

Incroyab;e

[fringe ice]

Incomprehensible have a nice day

[wraith mantle]

massive typo, laugh at this user

[stone terrace]

Theres many valid arguments to be made about bb having a shot at being the final villain but thats probably the worst one

Piracy only exists because of government

[ashen perch]

I am not gonna make an OS reference but yknow how silly this would be lol

[graceful belfry]

No final villain discussion is worth having since there are valid arguments for both parties

[stone terrace]

basically

[urban lodge]

Ah yes, One Piece, the manga about pirates and nothing else at all, only and exclusively pirates

[dark nymph]

true, anyways its Imu

[prisma idol]

I hate this arguement
I hate this arguement
I hate this arguement
I hate this arguement

[fringe ice]

It's a bad argument

[icy magnet]

blackbeard dies off screen from three heart attacks easy

[ashen perch]

its funny cause with the First World, we know that the world didnt start with piracy

[icy magnet]

three because i really don't like him as a person

[dark nymph]

one for each heart

[stone terrace]

bb is chill if he wasnt a slaver i might have a drink with him

[ashen perch]

It was a story about resistance and liberation since the beginning, the world as we know it was shaped by Nika's fight for the liberation of the slaves from the First World

Piracy is just another form of that resistance now, that originated in the Second World

[icy magnet]

bb is chill if he was chill

[fringe ice]

I expect Bb to snatch his final villain spot but still "pirate manga needs to have a pirate final villain" makes less sense than "manga about freedom needs to have the oppressive oligarch as the final villain"

[prisma idol]

We ignore the whole mural and prophecy stuff here Arsal

[icy magnet]

don't forget his crew is all evil criminals too

he would be chill if he dropped the grudge and got thorfinns character development and joins the banquet at the end of the series and they live happily ever after

❤️‍🩹

that is satire

just saying

[vernal ravine]

one piece probably stopped being a pirates manga on the page of the first chapter where luffy can stretch thanks to the devil fruit

[thick mango]

My conception of bb fits into this still though. He's the threat of a bad future from the power vacuum created by your toppling the unjust status quo.

[fringe ice]

I'm feeling nostalgic now

[ashen perch]

VP's speech especially makes this clearer, its a story of Pirates v the World Government, the fate of the world was left in the hands of these freedom loving men who refuse to buckle under any oppression. It is upto them to take down the WG.

[fringe ice]

Do you also ignore this?

[urban lodge]

Yeah I'll gladly ignore the worst character in the manga

[fast pagoda]

Oda when you tell him to not design a new character in Elbaph without a big fluffy belt

[icy magnet]

to be fair what major character in this last decade did not have a cool cape/coat hanging off of their shoulders

also it looks cool

so it's okay

[fringe ice]

Gunko avi calling Rocks the worst character in the manga

The holy knights really spread their agenda

[icy magnet]

could be imu

[fast pagoda]

Before it was the feather cape

Now its the fluffy belt

[stone terrace]

let me aura farm down the street doing that shit

wearing a coat without the sleeves on

[prisma idol]

No, Because Rocks and Imu did meet again and rocks died

But fr, no, I do think BB could be a cockroach character however I do not see him taking Imu's power or Taking the Empty throne. The most i personally would want is some minor help from BB. But I do acknowledge the possibility

[fast pagoda]

Im not hating btw I just think its funny

[icy magnet]

oh can't forget the hats they gave everyone

[fringe ice]

Best drip option

[urban lodge]

It's actually generous calling Rocks a character, he's just there to expand on BB

[icy magnet]

like the top hats, fedoras, caps and all that

[thick mango]

It could be the case that it's just we topple the evil rule and everything is justice and rainbows automatically but I think it's more interesting if we actually need to fight bb on behalf the good future instead of just getting it for free by defeating imu

[icy magnet]

worst bait ever

[fringe ice]

The fact he's such an annoying pest cockroach is why I see it coming

[prisma idol]

I lean Imu because of the deeper lore implications from the VC along with the mural and connections to characters like Poseidon and Joybky

[ashen perch]

He could yeah, but he hasnt been framed that way. VP said that it might not be the desirable person claiming the fate of the world, but the idea here is still for that fight for the OP to choose who gets to decide what needs to be done.

[fringe ice]

Shallow take

[ashen perch]

Loki and Xebec have both lol

[vernal ravine]

not my case, but if i tell you that most people prefer rocks more than bb

[fringe ice]

And their design is PEAK

[icy magnet]

no because watering Rocks down as a Blackbeard expansion with the pfp of someone who's actually just a Strawhat expansion is not to be taken seriously

[prisma idol]

Davy Jones while yes is a character is relatively new and doesnt appear a single time so far in what we know from the poneglyphs. While you can push that yes he is important from Imu's words, he is still new and im not behind his idea as of now

[ashen perch]

Idk yea, I think it looks good, I can't blame Oda

[fringe ice]

That's why I said shallow indeed

[ashen perch]

Feather capes go hard, the belt also goes hard

[icy magnet]

like Gunko's only depth as of now is having a relation to Brook when she was a child

[icy magnet]

then i respect it

[icy magnet]

i know this isn't all i'm not going to go on about her imu henchman depth

[urban lodge]

It's so funny how they always pull the whataboutism card

[icy magnet]

henchwoman?

some people, huh

[stone terrace]

Rocks fans vs gunko fans

[graceful belfry]

The most unlikely showdown of characters

Like they don’t even interact directly with each other once

[fringe ice]

Rocks is one of the best flashback chars we've had, fr made the whole community like someone we only knew as just a villain everyone united against

Compelling af

[prisma idol]

I disagree hard, He is a character that has depth sure but he is nowhere near the best

[urban lodge]

He's maybe in the top 50 flashback characters

Maybe

[fringe ice]

We get it he shot your whole bloodline down

[icy magnet]

someone get their annoying hg

[urban lodge]

There's nothing about him that hasn't been done before but better

[ashen perch]

he's certainly one of the doers to ever do it

[icy magnet]

you know what

[urban lodge]

He does not deserve all the glaze he gets

[prisma idol]

Kalgara, Noland, Ginny, Otohime, Oden, Sora, Bellemere, these all clear by miles

[fringe ice]

Well I agree on half of these

[icy magnet]

half? whichndo you not agree on based on writing

[prisma idol]

Even in the elbaf flashback, I find Harald and infinitely more compelling character than rocks

[graceful belfry]

I know it’s probably hyperbole, but I don’t think I could rip a top 50 flashback characters list off the top of my head. I’d have to consider it for about a week

[fringe ice]

Oden is my favorite flashback char and Bellemere

[vernal ravine]

acting like rocks wasn't already good with alone 1 chapter

how many characters do that, not many

[fringe ice]

Sora ginny otohime (still good)

[prisma yacht]

My fav flashback character is harald idk this maybe a recency bias but he's definitely one of the best

[fast pagoda]

I like harald and loki a lot

[graceful belfry]

Hiriluk is honestly one of my favorite flashback characters, when I start to think about it.

[vernal ravine]

for me is loki but is arguable

[fringe ice]

Loki isn't a flashback char

[vernal ravine]

but is the character i like the most in the flashback

[prisma yacht]

He's cool

[prisma idol]

I dont consider hype and aura as makings of a good character, a character cant be good just off a single chapter

[urban lodge]

Yeah what exactly made him good during his intro?

[fringe ice]

No, they can be good. But I agree it took Rocks more than 1 to really become well written

[prisma yacht]

Meanwhile koby 💀

[prisma idol]

Koby has had many years and many chapters to become a good character, and he is a deep complex character, what?

[vernal ravine]

if you don't want the word good just take the word decent

[prisma idol]

There is no comparison there

[prisma yacht]

I mean he's been good from the start silly

1st panel

[fringe ice]

Koby isn't that complex but he's good

[prisma idol]

Mmmmm, Koby was kind of meh to start

[prisma yacht]

Hellnaw

[devout pollen]

Meh? He was in the trenches

[fringe ice]

He's pretty good at the start

Especially due to Luffy

[prisma yacht]

Being a whinny little bitch who wants to be better made me more drawn towards him

[ornate tartan]

welcome

[devout pollen]

Do you think he already has advanced armament or was that a fluke like dressrosa ussop?

[ornate tartan]

the return of the holy knights is upon us

[shell sinew]

oden is so mid. Dancing in the street like a bum, took years to man up and still lost

[prisma yacht]

Thanks

[devout pollen]

Can you give us spoilers oda sensei

[fringe ice]

Dude you're repping a Durarara pfp you can't be saying ignorant takes like this

Please be better

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[shell sinew]

XD

[devout pollen]

He knew the truth and was waiting. He's on shanks level if you think about it

[graceful belfry]

I think Xebec is good because he’s a key player in a unique and interesting section of One Piece’s history and he helps to flesh out Blackbeard’s character and contextualizes the whole “special lineage” thing concerning Davy Jones, which helps thread together Imu’s equivalent interest in BB alongside Luffy. He’s a puzzle piece that’s needed to paint a broader picture.

[devout pollen]

Not power wise

[shell sinew]

But seriously I don’t know why anyone likes Oden. Legit one of my least favourite designs in wano too

[graceful belfry]

Oden’s a great and charismatic character. Really easy to see why he’s beloved

[brittle basin]

Oh, design wise, I find him neat.

[stone terrace]

Bro came in swinging

[devout pollen]

Only coz he looks goofy

[fast pagoda]

Rocks is ok

Hes cool

I just wish he was more unique to Roger

[wet condor]

I wanted to see them fight more

Oh well

[buoyant oxide]

Guess what

[fast pagoda]

He just feels like Edgy Roger or Cool Blackbeard at some times

[wet condor]

I thought they were going to be mortal enemies

[dark nymph]

you get one clash and you will like it

[brittle basin]

Oh, crap! Gotta vote!

[graceful belfry]

I imagine we’re not done seeing him, but maybe that’s wishful thinking

[stone terrace]

Rocks is the standard we should all live up to

[prisma yacht]

I'm thinking about who to vote for today

[stone terrace]

Rocks

[prisma yacht]

deep thinking with deep

[fast pagoda]

Dude you cant rp here

[dark nymph]

vote katakuri

[prisma yacht]

hm I can do him I haven't voted for him yet

[fringe ice]

Vote the goat zoro or loki

[prisma yacht]

and kata

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-belief-surprised-oh-gif-10085527

[vernal ravine]

it isn't only aura and hype moments, you have to analyse the narrative implications of being the first to stand before Imu, the beginning of his friendship with harald, how he formed his crew by solving the mystery of how people like shirohige unite to an evil man like him, stating his objective, being a reference point for Loki, and all of that in just one chapter. I'm sorry, but with that, he already seemed like a good character to me, not too crazy good, but good nonetheless

[ashen perch]

you will

[fringe ice]

I like Oden a lot

[ashen perch]

we're not done with their history, far from it

[graceful belfry]

Garp flashback is our hope

[fast pagoda]

I think rocks does have some depth

[wraith mantle]

you hate it because it completely destroys your side of the debate

HA

[fast pagoda]

Hes not a bad character

[urban lodge]

Oda lost himself in trying to subvert our expectations of him and made it just embarrassing with him stealing from evil charities and letting the narrator talk about the things he's done

[prisma yacht]

We will see more from rocks in gunko's flashback 🫶

[fast pagoda]

Just not very interesting to me

[ashen perch]

we're going to get a Roger Flashback as well

[prisma yacht]

Shoot

[dark nymph]

and when would it be fitting to go back to that? I feel like that's all we're gonna get

[fast pagoda]

I dont think we need a garp flashback

[prisma yacht]

for some reason I never thought of a garp fb

[prisma idol]

What does it destroy? Its inherently a terrible argument that ignores a whole side of the story that includes what happens on the islands we are on

[fast pagoda]

Garp is already very well characterized, well see more of him in the dragon flashback

[shell sinew]

He should have called up whitebeard or Roger asap instead of dancing in the street for 5 years, trying to take on kaido on his own and taking the L

[graceful belfry]

Same shit, no? I’m just joking. Yeah, I could also see that as well. So far we’ve only gotten glimpses, but we haven’t seen any of the very beginnings

[prisma yacht]

I don't think garp will get one , if he does it's gonna be short

[dark nymph]

as far as Roger and Rocks interactions go I mean

[urban lodge]

I'm convinced the reason domi reversi was invented was so we could have "good guy" Rocks

[ornate tartan]

rocks was never a good guy

[ashen perch]

I think whenever we get the Shanks flashback really, Oda will also delve into the Roger side of things at the same time.

[brittle basin]

I wonder what Oda's ultimate plan with domi was?

[buoyant oxide]

We’ve gotten so many already, I don’t know that we’ll get one for just him.

Best I see is some more backstory with Laughtale/JoyBoy

[fast pagoda]

You might not be wrong considering how quickly Oda got rid of it with Dorry and Broggy lol

[devout pollen]

Roger flashback comes with buggy flashback now

[ornate tartan]

if u asked me who’s a better person akainu or rocks, i would tell you akainu

[brittle basin]

With all these flashbacks being "guaranteed," how much longer is the series gonna be then?

[dark nymph]

1500 chapters minimum

[ashen perch]

yeah, nor the end. There's a whole mystery year that he lives after finding the One Piece

[grand flower]

Tbh that’s still him stealing from kids

[graceful belfry]

Like 300-400 chapters more, if we’re lucky

[devout pollen]

I think it'll end around 1700

[ashen perch]

dont worry about it

[grand flower]

He didn’t give that money back

[brittle basin]

BB, Roger, Brook and Gunko, Ancient Kingdom (Imu and Joy Boy). How many more flashbacks do we need to add to the list?

[ashen perch]

I have a list!

[devout pollen]

Don't forget the goat BUGGY

[buoyant oxide]

I feel like we’re gonna end up getting a whole flashback arc sometime during endgame

[brittle basin]

OK so Buggy too. How short will these flashbacks be?

[fast pagoda]

I see like 5 to 6 more MAJOR flashbacks

[prisma yacht]

I think you forgot ace

[brittle basin]

Does Oda physically have 500 more chapters in him?

[radiant rose]

Good evening

[prisma yacht]

Konbamwa

[ashen perch]

I think Shanks, Dragon and Void Century are the remaining mega event style flashbacks

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-catto-cats-gif-2693509101423175460

[fast pagoda]

Brook/Gunko, Shanks/Shamrock, Blackbeard, Dragon, Roger, Void Century

There wont be a First World flashback btw

[brittle basin]

Oh so wee need like 10 flashbacks bare minimum?

[ashen perch]

those will be 20 chapters.

The rest will be a lot shorter, less than 10, less than 5, less than 2, etc

[vernal ravine]

i think the problem is that you're seeing it as a mistake that oda didn't portray rocks as the most evil man in history, as if you don't understand how the WG propaganda works. Obviously, rocks was a bad man, but oda also wanted to show you that he had a noble side, or at least that he was a good friend and a person who actually had a responsibility, like a family, which differentiates him from teach, who will act only for himself, and that's what will make him further than his father

[brittle basin]

so probably 100 chapters of flashbacks left to go?

[ashen perch]

hell yeah

[fast pagoda]

Buffy do you remember how many flashbacks Dressrosa had

[brittle basin]

And then we still have Final War and road to Laughtale, along with finishing Elbaf.

[fast pagoda]

Even if many were short

[brittle basin]

I barely remember Dress, it's all a blur.

[ashen perch]

Dressrosa has like 6 different flashbacks

[brittle basin]

I know Senor Pink and Doffy

[buoyant oxide]

It’s gonna be “the history of the straw hat” and it’s gonna cover Joy Boy, Roger, and Shanks.

[brittle basin]

Will Oda keep future flashbacks as short as Senor Pink?

[ashen perch]

Law's flashback, Doffy's flashback within Law's flashback, Baby 5's 4 panel flashback, Senor Pink's flashback, Kyros/Rebecca/Riku flashback, mini Sabo flashback, and theres more I am forgetting for sure

[buoyant oxide]

No, they’re only gonna get longer. Look at god valley

[fast pagoda]

Chinjao

[brittle basin]

Will these arguably far more important flashbacks near the end of the series be as short as the ones in Dress?

[ashen perch]

the Kyros/Rebecca/Kyros flashback wasnt even one flashback, that itself was like 3 flashbacks

[fringe escarp]

Next arc will be the final arc

[ashen perch]

ooh Chinjao yeah

[fringe escarp]

Oda confirmed this to me

[dark nymph]

all peak

[ashen perch]

I think Barto also has a mini flashback to Loguetown

[dark nymph]

maybe Baby 5's is a little lower than the others

[buoyant oxide]

I don’t think so. I’m Oda’s neighbor and he told ME to get off his lawn

[graceful belfry]

There’s gotta be at least 3-4 arcs left

[fringe escarp]

Oda said the same thing but about his bedroom closet

[iron oriole]

tbf you was just standing there pissing

[prisma yacht]

Y'all like my new look?

[iron oriole]

pulling some Barto type shit

[brittle basin]

Laughtale and Final War. But both of those arcs can have mini arcs within them

[fringe escarp]

Needs more black lightning

[prisma yacht]

I paid it with my soul

thanks

[graceful belfry]

Very cool

[prisma yacht]

tha ks rei

[fast pagoda]

I think we have 2-3 more arcs

Void century flashback might be an arc

[prisma yacht]

A thousand more chapters lesgo

[fast pagoda]

Lodestar, Mary Geoise, Laugh Tale

[urban lodge]

I am aware that it's propaganda, and I also think Oda went too far in the other direction. He should have found more of a middleground. I don't think Oda wants us to see him as good, but I think he fails to show him as a morally complex person, or at least that's what it feels like to me looking at the fanbase's reaction to him. People say he's a better revolutionary than Dragon, they'll go out of their way to defend him attacking Loki. It doesn't help that most of the allegedly bad things he's done are offscreened or told by the narrator. I'm unsure if that's just Oda speedrunning things or if he actually wants us to question the veracity of what's being told to us, because it's one thing when it's the government saying it, but this is the narrator.

[fast pagoda]

I do think Oda is speedrunning a bit this arc and its really bad

[urban lodge]

He's just a really confusing character in his entire presentation

[fast pagoda]

Where was this speedrunning in the arcs that actually couldve used like dressrosa

I do think Sommers and Killingham were meant to be stronger but Oda decided to speedrun Imu's arrival

[ashen perch]

Brook/Gunko (happening soon) - average
Dragon/Luffy's birth - BIG
Akainu/Kuzan/Kizaru - average
BB/More Rocks - average
Shanks/More Roger/Red Haired Pirates - BIG
Joy Boy/Void Century - BIG
Imu/Gorosei - BIG
First World - BIG
Another Doflamingo flashback, covering THAT day - minor
Crocodile - minor
Moria - minor
Fujitora - minor
Aramaki - minor
Nami - average
Kid - minor
Franky/Scien - minor
Mihawk - average
Garp - average
Urouge/Enel - average
More Zoro/his family/Tashigi/Ryuma - average
Oars/Galleila - average
Germa (you all arent ready for this one) - average

all the future flashbacks, probably missing a few

that is probably a hundred chapters yeah

[graceful belfry]

BIG

[ashen perch]

I was trying to indicate their lengths smh

[fast pagoda]

I dont see like Issho, Aramaki, Kid and Moria getting more than a page

Oda already told us their backstories in the SBS unfortunately

[ashen perch]

I think the SBS was just a teaser, Oda didnt state anything clearly

a lot of THIS and THAT and ??!?

its not a real backstory

but I imagine it wont be long yea, thats why I put it as minor. Maybe gets like 12 pages

[fast pagoda]

I think we might see more of Kid's because I think the flashback would help us understand his character better

[flat dew]

Kid is dead

[fast pagoda]

But I dont think Issho or Moria need flashbacks to make us understand their character

Aramki though actuslly I could see getting a chapter now that I think

[ashen perch]

I mean Oda did tease it with Issho already though, so we'll get it

I am sure whatever made him a war criminal will be explained

[fast pagoda]

Also I dont think we will ever get a first world flashback

Simply because we still dont have the name of a single first world character and it was only just introduced

[graceful belfry]

The implications of us not being ready for a Germa flashback are funny. Anyways, I wholeheartedly agree with the initial 8, but feel iffier about the rest. Agree that we’ll get an individual Garp flashback. I think a Fujitora flashback would really benefit his character. Mihawk, maybe. Moria, maybe.

[fast pagoda]

Its there to set the groundwork for the Void Century and the main story

And to explain the origins of the world

[urban lodge]

Vinsmoke Romeo flashback

[ashen perch]

Nika is probably his actual name

and I mean, theres also Elbaf

[graceful belfry]

Lmfao

[fast pagoda]

I dont think Nika was a real person

[graceful belfry]

You know what? Sure.

[ashen perch]

Dorry called the God of War ''Elbaf''

[dark nymph]

What does the Doffy one refer to?

Also Germa?

[ashen perch]

Mihawk is confirmed really, Oda did the usual tease with him

[graceful belfry]

You forgot about the second part of the Loki flashback where he gets rejected by Lola, Arsal

[prisma yacht]

Garp one wld be short I think

[graceful belfry]

MARINE HUNTER

Idk. Seems cool. I think whatever we do get will be more of a brief insight rather than a traditional flashback

[ashen perch]

Doflamingo talks about a CERTAIN day, where he could have had everything the world has to offer if he just had the Ope Ope no Mi. It seems like he saw Imu at some point, thats what the flashback would be related to.

[fast pagoda]

The closest thing I can think of is the Warrior God, but I think that was just the Galleila leader who allied with Joy Boy

[ashen perch]

Germa is a bit... well, its hard to explain I guess

[fast pagoda]

Especially since we know he ate a devil fruit, so hes a real person and not a mythical figure like Nika

[prisma yacht]

Why do we even need that

[fast pagoda]

Germa are just sorta assholes, we dont need more sympathy for them

We already got great characterization for them in WCI

[ashen perch]

I just expect Oda to touch upon those individual centuries since the Void Century, atleast a little bit.

Germa conquering the North Blue 300 years ago is the defining event of that era.

[fast pagoda]

I think we could maybe see a panel or two

[dark nymph]

yeah

[fast pagoda]

Oh and then theres RYUMA

[inner agate]

i feel like half those flashbacks r getting skipped

[ashen perch]

yeah it doesnt have to be a big deal, but its just where he would canonize Romeo lol

[fast pagoda]

Ryuma is the character Im most unsure about

[graceful belfry]

I’m here for canon Romeo. It’d just be so funny and inconsequential

[fast pagoda]

Arsal you know someone who might actually get a bit of a flashback?

[urban lodge]

I'm so serious when I say it will 100% happen

Romeo is inevitable

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/shodai-kitetsu-nusjuro-one-piece-gif-15982831534703197566

[ashen perch]

oh yea, I think all the Gorosei will get something for sure

Nusjuro's gonna have a Ryuma connection

Maybe Ryuma beat his ass at some point lol

it could just be that simple

[fast pagoda]

I think when they said he fought Nika theyre just referring to Joy Boy

Cause why wouldnt they call him Nika

[ashen perch]

we know that the CDs tried to take over Wano at some point, and then they didnt touch it because of Ryuma

[warm fossil]

doing wayyyy too much lol

[fast pagoda]

Fishmen and Wano dont worship Nika so they just call him Joy Boy

Elbaph does

[ashen perch]

Ryuma beat everyone that came after Wano, I wouldnt be surprised if Nusjuro was one of them

[ashen perch]

not at all

really the only silly one there is Germa but trust in that

[dark nymph]

I gave up on Zoro lineage stuff, shoulda happened in wano

[ashen perch]

it was too early

[fast pagoda]

Gunko being trapped in the ice honestly confirms to me shes not being freed this arc

[prisma yacht]

There's always more room for zoro

always

did I mention always

[fast pagoda]

She will be motivation for Brook and the rest of the crew in the final war

[ashen perch]

I wouldnt be surprised if Imu could just

free her

[graceful belfry]

It’s funny to imagine him leaving her there

[ashen perch]

I am expecting Imu to start with saving the HKs next chapter, could be part of it

[fast pagoda]

Yeah but its an easy plot device to keep her from not waking up in her sound mind and talking to Brook, and Imu doesnt want to lose a useful holy knight

I dont think she will be freed until final war

[ashen perch]

I just feel like its not an option

for her story to be saved for THAT long

[fast pagoda]

Her flashback can happen before

[graceful belfry]

If the Ragnir mechanic is 100% infallible, then he’d really not have much of a choice outside of like, torturing them until they willingly unfreeze her

[ashen perch]

and its gonna take a very long time for us to get to that point

[graceful belfry]

I imagine there’s a work around

[fast pagoda]

Not too long

[prisma yacht]

I really want that gunko fb

😔

[ashen perch]

I think its better if Oda just goes through with it right now, or else he risks the readers forgetting it

and caring a lot less about it

[fast pagoda]

The flashback will make us care for it more

[ashen perch]

Gunko being the 30th most important plotline of the final war just doesnt sound very appealing

[ionic palm]

I mean, it does somewhat serve a purpose at least, giving us Brook's actual past and not just with Laboon

[graceful belfry]

Idk if I’d care any less about it if it took place in the post-conflict part of the arc, but I get that you’re speaking broadly

[fast pagoda]

Also remember how long the gap was between Ace vs Blackbeard and Impel Down

[trim lily]

interrupting zoro vs ethan so we can get the 6 chapter gunko flashback

[ashen perch]

yeah, but it will have been a long time since the flashback too by then

[prisma yacht]

Hi dolfi

https://tenor.com/view/happy-catto-cats-gif-2693509101423175460

[trim lily]

[ashen perch]

oh I mean its fine if it happens any time this arc

but just saving it for the final war? that doesnt seem right

[unkempt sable]

Voting time

[graceful belfry]

Oh, you’re saying it’d be bad if it doesn’t happen at all this arc? Yeah, I agree

[ashen perch]

yeahh

[urban lodge]

I'm worried that Oda will speedrun it

[fast pagoda]

Oda doesnt think his readers are stupid he doesnt have to instantly deliver on a storyline

[graceful belfry]

Gunko is an Elbaf plotline. No need not to fulfill it

[unkempt sable]

Probably a post death flashback

[graceful belfry]

Actually not so sure about that death part anymore

[ashen perch]

I also feel like the man who Brook owed everything to will be connected to Elbaf as well

I am thinking its Louis Arnot

[ionic palm]

actually tho, what would even Gunko serve after Imu's been driven out

doesnt seem like she's set for death like say Sommers, but it also feels like she'll be a permanent hostage to keep Imu in line at an extent since this would mean a GK has been lost as a major blow to the WG

And it doesnt look like Gunko wants anything to do with the WG now seemingly

[unkempt sable]

I think Gunko dying is very like

[fast pagoda]

Not really, shes a final saga character

[brittle basin]

I forgot about Louis.

[ashen perch]

Buffy did you see the list ™

[trim lily]

don’t worry oda did too

[fast pagoda]

She'll be allowed to be happy and free

[brittle basin]

link it

[unkempt sable]

What if it was a warning for imu

[fast pagoda]

Gunko is a final saga princess

Alongside Vivi

[ashen perch]

I said I had list of all flashbacks that I think are most likely happening

[graceful belfry]

I used to be sure. But she’s essentially being protected by the ice now so her chances of survival are a lot more significant than they were under the assumption that Imu would be fighting in this arc completely through her

[fast pagoda]

Also, Gunko is going to fight Bonney

[ashen perch]

as for Louis Arnot, its a very french name

[trim lily]

oh yeah bonney is technically here

[ashen perch]

thats important

[graceful belfry]

I mean, yes, maybe. It’d just be silly to drag that out when Brook and her are pretty much guaranteed a moment in this arc

[unkempt sable]

Please let Bonney do something

[fast pagoda]

Remember, we saw Ace vs Teach at end of Enies Lobby, we learned Ace was captured at end of Thriller Bark, and we still had two whole arcs between that

[brittle basin]

Remind me about Doffy's "THAT day." Also, why both Enel and Urouge?

[prisma yacht]

She is being cute

[unkempt sable]

Being sidelined

[brittle basin]

Bonney puts Kuma out of his misery.

[fast pagoda]

The final saga has an overarching story, even if her and Brook have a moment that doesnt mean their storyline has to end here

[prisma yacht]

still being cute

[unkempt sable]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-1151-nika-gear-5-egghead-gif-1019946681101759705

[ashen perch]

All of Brook's techniques are written in french, he mentions that his style of fighting and the technique names mean a LOT to him because they were related to his comrade in arms

[brittle basin]

Robins attacks are in French too.

Right?

[trim lily]

yeah

i think

[urban lodge]

They're kind of a mess, there's some spanish mixed in

[brittle basin]

Can we remove this Frenchslop from my One Piece?

[trim lily]

spanish and french is basically the same so it works out

[fast pagoda]

Do yall think those kids getting captured

[trim lily]

0% chance

[fast pagoda]

Or does Imu even gaf about that anymore

[urban lodge]

Probably not

[graceful belfry]

You’re not wrong, but I don’t mean to necessarily imply that their story will end as much as I’m saying that one of the first questions Brook is going to want to ask is, “what happened?” which is the perfect way to facilitate a transition into that backstory. Latest it should occur is during the post-arc, assuming Brook and Gunko get to leave here with each other

[ashen perch]

yeah but like I said, the attack names are important to Brook. I think his past is going to have strong french roots to it, and thats also why I am thinking Louis Arnot will be involved.

[trim lily]

the whole point was to blackmail them so it doesn’t really work now

[brittle basin]

Will Brook be aware of Louis' warning concerning Elbaf?

[trim lily]

although urouge was born a skypeian, he has birkan wings now (and enel is birkan)

[fast pagoda]

I dont think this arc has much left after Imu has now arrived, I think the Brook and Gunko stuff here is meant to be set up for future events

[ashen perch]

Doflamingo talks about a CERTAIN day, where he could have had everything the world has to offer if he just had the Ope Ope no Mi. It seems like he saw Imu at some point, thats what the flashback would be related to.

Urouge is speculated to be the sky knight of Birka that Enel beat

[ashen perch]

perhaps

[glass plume]

Bilka?

Is that viz

[ashen perch]

yeah lol

[glass plume]

lol

[trim lily]

did urouge move to birka and somehow became a knight there

[graceful belfry]

Possibly, yeah. I’m still transitioning from the mentality that Gunko is a one arc and done character into her being a character that’ll persist past Elbaf. So I understand the angle you’re coming from a bit better now

[fast pagoda]

Gunko is not just another Holy Knight, people who think Imu is going to Saturn her are actually insane

[trim lily]

his wings changing is so weird

[brittle basin]

Is this the only clue we have for the connection?

[ashen perch]

well we dont know where he actually comes from, so he may have been Birkan all along

we just know he's from a certain sky island

[ashen perch]

that and Urouge's birkan wings lol

[trim lily]

we know he was born skypeian

we’ve seen him as a kid

[fast pagoda]

Maybe Sommers will die but I dont see any of the other Knights and Gorosei being one and done characters now

[ashen perch]

have we seen other birkans as children?

[fast pagoda]

Saturn was already that

[urban lodge]

Please Oda spare Sommers

[still mason]

Maybe the SHs kidnap Sommers and he becomes their prisoner like Caesar/Caribou

[trim lily]

i dont remember but we’ve seen what every skypeian kid or civilian looks like

urouge has skypeian wings and skypeian hair

the wings being the biggest thing

[ashen perch]

yeah I know, but maybe thats how it is with the Birkans

its unclear

[fast pagoda]

I'm way more mad about what he did with Killingham

Sommers being a loser is funny but

Come on Oda

[urban lodge]

Yeah me too

[graceful belfry]

I think Sommers should die or be rendered incompetent. He’s gotten a lot of screen time this arc and I think that the story would benefit from scaling down rather than keeping guys like Sommers around to be taken care of in the future when we have the chance to just turn him into a cover story character who plays an insignificant role going forward

[urban lodge]

But I still think they'll get an Imu buff

[prisma yacht]

Let wommers get a win pls

[ionic palm]

nah, let her take a backseat, she's done enough for herself, let her be a kid

[fast pagoda]

I feel like writing my final saga predictions down and posting them on #manga-serious

[trim lily]

only the skypeians are ever depicted with hair antennae

both past and present

[unkempt sable]

She can be a kid when the
Genocidal maniacs stopped genociding

[ashen perch]

I dont believe we're done with Elbaf soon, so Gunko's got plenty of time to get her story resolved here.

Sommers and Qilingham too, will have time to redeem themselves lol

[fast pagoda]

Sommers I'm split because I think Imu needs as much as he can to have a powerful army, but I can easily see Oda doing that by offing Sommers and replacing him with someone else

[trim lily]

for whatever reason, urouge turned from a skypeian to a birkan at some point in his life

[fast pagoda]

I think thats just an inconsistency

[ashen perch]

yeah idk how to explain it away I guess, but my thought was that it was just part of the natural birkan growth process lol

[brittle basin]

Sommers has nothing to redeem. He's fun. I guess you can redeem his power and make it a force to be reckoned with?

[ashen perch]

oh yeah I meant as a fighter

[brittle basin]

ok

[fast pagoda]

Sommers power is pretty good already

[trim lily]

hopefully sommers gets some more to do

[fast pagoda]

Oda just decided to make him and Killingham too weak compared to the Straw Hats for dumb reasons I dont understand

[brittle basin]

it is, but he's also been treated as a goofy character at points too

[trim lily]

i honestly really like his and gunko’s fruits, they’re fun

[brittle basin]

all three fruits are incredible

[fast pagoda]

Like obviously they were never gonna win, but they really shouldn't have been treated like that IMO

[brittle basin]

AND THEY'RE NOT ZOANS. GOOD JOB ODA GOOD JOB

[trim lily]

i’m a little dissapointed in killingham as it kind of feels like it’s full potential wasn’t realized

[fast pagoda]

Killingham shaped elephant in the room

[urban lodge]

Arrow fruit is like a cooler string fruit

[trim lily]

he can make anything out of dreams and nightmares

and all he did was summon nightmare creatures

maybe weave his dream powers/summoning into his fighting style instead of off screening it

[fast pagoda]

I wanted to see Sommers and Killingham actually fight instead of getting oneshot and offscreened for gags

[buoyant oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/1artista-desahuciado-doctor-who-gif-4881880

[fast pagoda]

They dont have to be strong, I wouldnt even be mad if they lost to like Usopp and Nami, I just wnated to see them treated as serious antagonists for longer

[buoyant oxide]

Before my time…

[trim lily]

i would’ve liked any fight at all

sommers vs robin was very cool to see

[fast pagoda]

This whole Sanji and Killingham section is easily my least favorite part of the arc

Next to Big Mom and Garling on God Valley of course

[trim lily]

poor knights can’t catch a break in god valley or elbaf

[fast pagoda]

I have no idea what Oda is trying to cook with Garling anymore

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-soup-ugly-food-disgusting-food-soup-gloop-gif-5129037138617771082

[cold steppe]

He wants the throne

Trust me bro

[trim lily]

fairly sure oda intentionally humiliated him with both the setup and the execution but i don’t know where it goes from here

is he meant to be actually competent or will he be shit on by everyone

[fast pagoda]

God Valley Garling and old Garling are actually seperate characters

GV Garling was his twin brother

Figarland Onionling

[trim lily]

goda parallels

wait which one is good then

[urban lodge]

The real Garling of course, he's such a nice dad

[trim lily]

oh right

i’m glad good father garlic came true

he might be a bad husband but that doesn’t mean he has to be a bad father

[cold steppe]

I'm just waiting for someone to cut his hair mid combat

Would be peak

[fast pagoda]

Magnolia was a radical terrorist who wanted to give the Celestial Dragons 5% less lobster

She lowkey deserved it

[iron oriole]

I mean... he groomed his son into a weapon for a secret Devil God, i'd say that kinda falls on the bad side

[trim lily]

mm a little

[glacial bear]

I always feel like Sanji when I’m cooking

And I feel like Zoro when I’m working out outside

[iron oriole]

I always feel like Chopper when i eat venison

[autumn island]

Garling wants to replace Imu imo

[autumn island]

^

[fast pagoda]

I feel like Robin when I read a picture book

I feel like Franky when I walk around in nothing but swim briefs in public

[thick mango]

I initially thought garling might be up to something based on the tcb but he's much less hostile/confrontational in the viz

[iron oriole]

And then i feel like Usopp after running from the police for trying to arrest me

[fast pagoda]

I feel like Jinbe when im Fat

[dense rapids]

Buggy is the Earth God

[ashen perch]

no he is not

[final trench]

#rest

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-bro-just-typing-shit-gif-18336060238854257551

[thick mango]

my tinfoil on buggy is that luck/fate is a real power system in the world and buggy is the master of it

we then have an emperor whos a master of haki, fruits, luck, and luffy who has all of em

[final trench]

Buggy got the atom smasher

[dense rapids]

First arc in Orange Town the sun god liberates them from the earth god

In the first world the sun god appeared and liberated the slaves from the earth god

First 2 DFs introduced in series

Buggy can only float if his feet is connected to the ground

The red line was formed with interlocking islands by the earth god

Lily scattered the Poneglyphs by splitting them

Earth God > Lily > Buggy

Sun God > Joy Boy > Luffy

[urban lodge]

The earth god is either Robin or Brook, gotta make all the straw hats' fruits secret god fruits

[final trench]

Thats as far as i go

https://tenor.com/view/bara-bara-no-mi-bara-bara-no-mi-o-grande-one-piece-rp-gif-22513624

[sweet anvil]

Son 😭

[urban lodge]

I mean... Decent chance Chopper is one

[dark nymph]

its chopper

[warm sierra]

I feel like if he was a true master of luck he wouldnt just be falling upwards he would also not be in positions like being abused by croc and mihawk for example

[dense rapids]

Both of them are already gods

[dark nymph]

[final trench]

Earth God is Mu

[dense rapids]

Imu is Sea Devil

[grand flower]

Two Nikas

[dense rapids]

Btw

Pandaman said he saw the princess Kaguya (moon princess)

Buggy saw Hiyori and Toki

The moon princesses

[thick mango]

my opinioon is he has lucked himself out of that positio n]

declaring his desire for the OP for the entire crew has basically upgraded him from a figurehead to a real leader

croc and hawk didnt really want it, the organization is now pursuing buggy's goal

why? another stroke of luck

[dense rapids]

I think he’s gonna end up captured again

EOS Jolly Roger with the throne and crown gonna be amazing

[cosmic hamlet]

There you go, last one.

[cosmic hamlet]

@sleek plume

[fossil nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-fan-letter-fan-letter-marineford-marineford-arc-gif-14833187253803925646

[prisma yacht]

Nice nick cyg!

[glass plume]

What a design.

[winged sable]

heat

can’t wait until the color reveal throws all the artists off

[glass plume]

Lmfao, as long as they keep the white hair it'll be gucci

[dense rapids]

The return of the Earth God

“Joy to the world, the Lord is come”
“Let earth receive her King”

[glass plume]

https://fixupx.com/RafiikTl/status/2042983940093317300

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FixupX · Apr 11, 2026, 3:11 PM

[still mason]

I hope Imu starts making moves in 1180, and that Oda doesn't keep him from doing anything until the next pre-break chapter

[broken swift]

Next chapter, first thing Imu should do is kill someone. I don't care if they are just some random giant or a named character but someone's gotta die

[still mason]

I'm fine with that as long as it's not one of the HKs

It should be someone from the protag side

People seem to think Jarul is likely

[digital spear]

I hope Imu murders every single character and all the strawhats before Luffys eyes and then he kills Luffy and then he goes back in time and kills Luffys parents so Luffy is never born

[glacial bear]

Lmao.

Real talk tho. I heard turtle meat soup is good

[glass plume]

Jarul dying would be neat.

Other than that, I just want Imu to lay the beatdown on everyone even if they don't die from it.

Just going through Elbaph mauling foes left and right.

[warm sierra]

But killing Nika revives luffy again and triggers gear death

[glass plume]

I really want a mirror to this moment.

[warm sierra]

But with everyone dying

[broken swift]

I still can't believe that wyper is still alive. Oda didn't kill like anyone in Skypeia

[urban lodge]

Please Oda give Imu a full double spread

[glass plume]

Revolutionize the game with a triple spread

[stone terrace]

i love how robins melons just ballooned

[trim lily]

not even the elderly ganfall

[broken swift]

Yeah and conis's dad too

[trim lily]

that man tanked a direct shock to the heart like it was nothing

[broken swift]

Enel was so weak

[frozen ravine]

Ebel is yc3

[digital spear]

Wyper is Yonko level (he was equal to Luffy in Skypiea) and Ganfall is Gorosei level (he looks like Mars)

[stone terrace]

someone could have the nuke nuke fruit and it still wouldnt kill a fodder

[urban lodge]

Pagaya coming back was so funny that I don't even mind

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-one-piece-pell-2

Nuke nuke fruit you said.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/mercury-space-galaxy-gif-6885243750696499349

[fervent fable]

also mango

[dark nymph]

but ashura doji dies from an explosion that countless characters have survived

[frozen ravine]

This scene was clever foreshadowing at pell having the wind god fruit. Bravo

[glass plume]

It's unfair.

[urban lodge]

Pell is a secret Imu agent and a holy knight sent to keep an eye on Vivi though, he survived because he has regeneration

[glass plume]

Cook.

[still mason]

Oda was not about to kill that man after Robin told him about Noland

[stone terrace]

you cant predict deaths off perceived severity

thats the lesson pretty much

someone could lose their head and there would still be a way

[still mason]

Literally happened to Wapol

[rose rune]

a lot

[glass plume]

I wonder if Oda does all of these fake deaths, for the real deaths to hit that much harder.

Like, "Oh damn, they actually died..."

[dark nymph]

yeah I wept like crazy when ashura doji died

[glacial bear]

Loki, Luffy, Ragnir, & God Usopp

[still mason]

Shutenmaru was my favorite of the scabbards and Oda, knowing this, killed him off

[wraith mantle]

has to be

[blazing depot]

My unpopular opinion is that I’m fine with Oda not killing characters off like crazy. Like even the pre ts villains have narrative relevance currently

Killing characters off does not necessarily equal good writing tbh

[stone terrace]

thats fine

its when you fake it out so often

youre trying to have your cake and eat it too

[celest mauve]

you're right, but the issue is more about making characters look like they've died and even writing in the emotions to sell these "deaths", only for it to be copouts

[broken swift]

It's just weird when oda doesn't kill off side characters that have no relevance after their deaths

[celest mauve]

if oda didn't kill anyone and still told a great story, fantastic

why sour arcs like alabasta and WCI with these fake deaths though

[broken swift]

Like why did pell or pound need to live? They don't do anything

[trim lily]

well pound does do something but it can be argued if it needed to exist

[ashen perch]

Pound reunited with his daughters, he got a good ending which is pretty sweet

[urban lodge]

Pound I'm more fine with because at least he got to reunite with his daughters

Pell does absolutely nothing though

[celest mauve]

like I can never read the end of alabasta with any kind of respect again because pell being alive after his sacrifice is literally that fucking bad to me

[ashen perch]

yeah Pell is the most baffling fakeout in the entire story by far

cause there's literally no point to it

[stone terrace]

Pell got revived only to fail both cobra and vivi in the reverie

😭

[wet condor]

I'm surprised a bit ngl lol

Arsal not gonna fight us too much on that one

Agrees even

[celest mauve]

arsal not liking something about OP is extremely rare

[wet condor]

Well, he's got the final war ahead of him

Can redeem himself by saving Vivi or something

[ashen perch]

why do you guys keep doing this lol

have I not hated enough

I was insufferable in Onigashima, you guys just forget/werent here smh

[trim lily]

one piece if oda was a good writer

[ashen perch]

theres plenty I have disliked and continue to dislike smh

[rustic coral]

I agree

[broken swift]

Onigashima was definitely a low point so I don't blame you for being insufferable back then

[ashen perch]

YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO AGREE FED

[rustic coral]

Jk i dont remember

[ashen perch]

you should say like ''oh you werent that bad" smh

[urban lodge]

I was insufferable too and dog valley brought that side of me back out

[rustic coral]

I dont remember arsal

[broken swift]

Yeah all the shakky stuff was definitely not that great

[rustic coral]

What were u doomin on

[ashen perch]

Big Mom was a big part of it, you should remember smh

[broken swift]

Oh right big meme

Good times

[rustic coral]

It was good u guys are illiterate and thought she was the motive of the incident

[glacial bear]

Peak

[broken swift]

Real

[stone terrace]

Arsal is just an optimist

[ashen perch]

Oda saying that he wanted to end the series in 5 years before Onigashima actually really contributed to making me feel worse about it, cause I would see every decision from that lens

[stone terrace]

Hes a big critic of the Big Skip ™

[rustic coral]

BASED

[ashen perch]

Big Mom's early defeat for example, it clearly seemed like he was looking to get rid of her so that he doesnt have to create an arc to focus on her

but I am a lot more optimistic about it now

she will be back, just in a different role, it will be cool

and as for Oda's 5 years thing, obviously its been 7 years now lol

seems so silly that any of us ever took it seriously

[stone terrace]

Oda lost control of his story

I remember artur tried arguing he wasnt wildly off

[ashen perch]

it took me a bit to realize that yeah, he just has no clue how long it is actually going to take

[dark nymph]

its okay because I know

[ashen perch]

Oda could say 5 years again and I wouldnt believe him now either

[glass plume]

That's true, I just think that some unimportant characters are completely fine to die.
Like, we could have scenes with the villains just plowing through fodder and see them actually die since that would raise how imposing and threatening the villain seem.

[dark nymph]

well im more confident about chapter count than* time, cause I cba to factor in breaks and such

[ashen perch]

because theres no way he will actually succeed in staying true to his terrible estimates

whats the chapter count?

[dark nymph]

1500~

[ashen perch]

I think we could hit 1600 personally, it wouldnt surprise me

1500 would be like uhh

[dark nymph]

ye somewhere between 1500 and 1600

1556

[ashen perch]

ah, that would be 10 years

yeah I can see that

[glass plume]

What will the last chapter be called?

[dark nymph]

one piece

[quiet ice]

What’s the significance of the number 1600?

Oh wait didn’t you go on about 16 earlier lol

[ashen perch]

oh I am thinking of it in terms of years this time

[quiet ice]

Cmon man your tryna sneak it

[ashen perch]

there is that too

[quiet ice]

Forget I ASKED

[ashen perch]

but the 40th anniversary of the series is in 2037

thats the bigger reason

[quiet ice]

[trim lily]

only 12 years to go

62 year old oda is gonna be hyped

[glass plume]

I think something more along the lines of "End of a journey"

[ashen perch]

we'll hit the 1600s in the 40th anniversary of the series

[ashen perch]

I feel like he could do it if it was just the manga atleast

though his current workload is terrifying lol

somehow, they have got him working with Toei on the anime, Wit on the remake, Netflix on the LA, and probably also Toei again on the movie too

[glass plume]

https://x.com/BoruDBrian/status/2042996095127601617/photo/1

BoruDBrian / Commissions open (@BoruDBrian)

Saint Nerona Imu
I wonder what the official colors will be... For now, I'd like them to be like this...
What do you guys think?
I have more drawings of him.
One Piece has been really good lately.

#onepiece

X · Apr 11, 2026, 4:00 PM

[trim lily]

i imagine hes not that involved with the anime

but the LA yeah

[ashen perch]

probably, but they did claim that Elbaf will have more involvement from him than before

which was just 0 for the most part lol

[ashen perch]

https://x.com/sandman_AP/status/1983475425969123748?s=20

sandman (@sandman_AP)

The new One Piece anime will start next April under a new production schedule. According to the staff, they plan to consult Oda in greater detail about various interpretations and settings related to the manga.💪

X · Oct 29, 2025, 10:06 AM

whatever that means

[stone terrace]

Not sure what they need extra help with

[ashen perch]

but yeah, he's involved in a lot right now

[urban lodge]

Oda is personally drawing every frame

[broken swift]

Maybe they need help with the god valley fights. But that's not apart of the current schedule right?

That's later

[ornate tartan]

who’s ready for the chapter of the year

[ashen perch]

not even this year yeah

[mild bone]

Oda is a pen name,its actually 15 people

[dark nymph]

is there anything in Elbaf that they're likely to consult him on?

like i'm sure they asked him about the lego land thing

[trim lily]

they should keep in his mistakes for fun

[ashen perch]

maybe its not one specific thing, and they just want him to go over the storyboards once

[broken swift]

Oh right the mistakes

Yeah that was funny time

[glass plume]

I'm worried about the movie.

[mild bone]

Oda took a break because he is pregnant with imu's kid

[glass plume]

Oda said it's not going swimmingly.

[ashen perch]

things like ''whose voice was calling out Nami'' I imagine, were some of the questions they had lol

[stone terrace]

Mfs making a live action movie

[dark nymph]

no more op movies

[ashen perch]

Greg kinda hinted that its Oda's fault

Oda didnt like the original movie idea, apparently

[glass plume]

I'm glad that he made them change it then.

[stone terrace]

Well now im really curious

[glass plume]

Probably touched on something which Oda wants to wait for?

[trim lily]

he mightve just not liked the premise

[stone terrace]

film rocky port but oda is a gatekeeping ass bitch

[trim lily]

its funny that oda had no idea people would care about rocky port

he even changed what the original incident was

[dark nymph]

maybe he wants to save the excitement for his actual manga

[fast pagoda]

OP wont ever make a movie without Luffy

[stone terrace]

cowards

[fast pagoda]

Oda offscreening Rocky Port was the lamest shit ever btw

[stone terrace]

DBZ did movies without goku

and they were good!

[trim lily]

no luffy no buy

[dark nymph]

give me fan letter movie

[glass plume]

I want a movie about Dragon.