also-manga

[royal orchid]

oh Pew's posting screencaps of the straw hats from the next ep

not a bad pfp if you're a sanji fan really

[dense rapids]

Just found this symbol in Lego land

[warm fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/aura-stinky-smelly-gif-12043235547826162166

[wraith mantle]

Chapter out

[echo lake]

guys i just ate the Pig Pig fruit model John Pork

im gonna awaken it and desttroy the govermnent

[warm fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/amor-gif-10758667656717415642

[grand flower]

I love how usopp decided to just do this with her

What was it

[prisma yacht]

A hacked account asking to check their profile

[rich hornet]

Just another in a long line of clues telling us the moon is the key to everything

[balmy field]

you just became a mink lmao

[grand flower]

🥜

Oda is amazing

[soft tangle]

It’s not the same symbol

[grand flower]

https://locations.myeyedr.com/search?utm_source=google&utm_medium=sem&utm_campaign=13168138992&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=13168138992&gbraid=0AAAAADKSwJNNCKtmoPNmAtC4859VGwnN5&gclid=CjwKCAjw4ufOBhBkEiwAfuC7-bAtGqsO_WAa5jHbGKXSJBQqe4Wai49E8wXX_QzqV9PKUTqdTOjqLhoCzpgQAvD_BwE

[soft tangle]

The left is a compass with a star
The right is a sun with a plus

[misty pond]

Lol @ grandline review theorizing on Imu's ability having to do with the weight of the soul

[obtuse imp]

Usopp is getting Ragnir because it’ll turn out Pop Greens are its favorite snack

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk

[red lagoon]

Fax

[digital spear]

So glue

[ornate tartan]

🤣

[ashen perch]

that is true yeah

[glass plume]

Why is his beard orange.

[urban lodge]

One of the two goats of Gunko artists

[glass plume]

Damn only two?

[fringe ice]

My goat aura farming in the back

https://tenor.com/view/garp-falling-garp-garp-one-piece-garp-happy-gif-17953974641032227335

[glass plume]

With the ugliest outfit imaginable.

[fringe ice]

It's great besides the mustard pants

[urban lodge]

Usopp's is worse

[grand flower]

Not a bad idea

[fringe ice]

How I pop out at the function

[safe cove]

accurate

[glass plume]

I know, but why.

[dark nymph]

yeah imus color are cooked

[urban lodge]

Sanji might have the best outfit

[fringe ice]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-viking-gif-8502324

[cobalt kelp]

It's a fake beard

[dark nymph]

bring back Wano oda

[cobalt kelp]

Rodo just had it I guess

[safe cove]

someone said imu and usopp have the same pants and i couldn't stop thinking about it

[glass plume]

It's bugging me that it's not the same color as the rest of his hair.

[glass plume]

Nah, I believe in Oda he'll cook with them.

[cobalt kelp]

It fits with the idea that these are doll props

[glass plume]

True

Anyways glad we all agree that Franky has the best outfit.

[dark nymph]

when do we even usually get the color schemes for characters

[glass plume]

Either from some magazine or the volume cover.

[urban lodge]

Imu will be either the volume 116 cover or the popularity poll color spread

[glass plume]

Just leak them from a magazine 🙏

[dark nymph]

anime onlys getting spoiled

[fossil nimbus]

Oda delievered like 5 to 6 top tier character designs and colours from elbaf already. Imu's colours will be good

[grand flower]

I think I genuinely hate seeing people talk about colors and designs

[steep barn]

hello gng

[iron oriole]

anime only been getting spoiled ever since Alabasta

[grand flower]

Nobody talks about things like whether the colors complement each other

[grand flower]

There’s no like, actual commentary

It’s just naming the color then laughing

[hot cairn]

why?

[grand flower]

I have no eye for design myself so I’d love to see people with art no-how do feedback on em

Know-how*

[grand flower]

It kinda feels like people do it just to do it

If it’s a new design, time to name objective elements then laugh

Garling was the first time where it was like, yeah this design is genuinely bad

But clearly intentionally

[iron oriole]

art is all subjective though? so one's feedback would be different to the next

[grand flower]

It’s not the opinion that turns me off to the comments

It just never seems like it’s coming from a place of artistically judging it

If there’s any variable color palette, the default is “that’s bad. Why? The colors are present”

I never see comments on if the colors don’t complement each other or what

[iron oriole]

true

[grand flower]

I remember Rokaya criticizing Gunko by saying her long sleeves clash a lot aesthetically with bare legs

Like, that’s genuine commentary from an artistic standpoint

The elders was the first time I was disappointed because none of them looked bad, they were just colorful and it seems like that’s the problem

[glacial bear]

Rokaya is a troll. I know Rokaya habla español

[iron oriole]

well i think the Elders colours were rather jarring initially but they've grown on me

[grand flower]

I didn’t know that

I’m learning a lot today Sayabusa

[glacial bear]

I didn’t either until I talked to Rokaya and saw how they responded 💀

[grand flower]

They were certainly surprising

[grand flower]

She was probably just joking, rokaya is cool

[iron oriole]

i think a lot of it though is people expect a certain colour scheme & then Oda throws a curve ball & does the opposite, so from the get go the opinion is soured on them

[glacial bear]

I like the colors on the Gorosei & The God Knights (except Young God Valley Garling)

[urban lodge]

The contrast with Luffy's all white transformation is what makes the gorosei work for me

[iron oriole]

like for the Elders, being Yokai forms i think a lot of people expect dark colours, lots of black & like dark reds etc

[grand flower]

Garling’s me valley outfit is absolutely ridiculous even down to its conception

His top is outrageous

[grand flower]

It’s low-key some overlap with the edgier piece thing

I always think, it sounds like a big part of the fandom want muted, monochrome color schemes

But that’d be so generic

They want Bleach low-key

[hot cairn]

almost 1200 chapters in and people still want edgy piece

[glass plume]

I just want Imu's hair to keep being white.

That's all i ask.

[grand flower]

Imu blew up a country Op is plenty edgy for me

Doflamingo was like “I’m bouta kill every man woman and child on this island and start over”

[hot cairn]

one could say that Imu’s design is edgy piece

[iron oriole]

i think those that actually want OP to be edgier are a minority

[glass plume]

It's perfection.

[grand flower]

Kaido came down saying “every single person bouta be a slave”

How much edgier does OP need to be 😭

[glass plume]

If anyone should've had an edgy design it would be Imu.

The literal devil on earth.

[iron oriole]

also i think a lot of it comes from them just wanting people to die more

[grand flower]

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/law_under_bodies.png

This panel was always so unsettling to me

[glass plume]

It should be.

Law's whole story is fucking messed up.

[grand flower]

Yeah I vividly remember reading it in high school

It made me audibly groan

I couldn’t believe it

[hot cairn]

people are really obsessed with characters dying

OP aint usually like that tho

[glass plume]

"There's no tension anymore."

[iron oriole]

PEOPLE NEVER DIE IN ONE PIECE apart from those that died

[glacial bear]

I just didn’t like how it was a yellow shirt. Everything else is fine. But man. Idk- I would’ve liked something else to contrast his blonde hair

[wraith mantle]

because death does add a lot to the story

ace's death

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-holy-knight-gos-knight-gif-2718075055984501821

[glass plume]

People expecting any of the straw hats to die are stupid.

[glacial bear]

Idk. Maybe it’s starting to grow on me. Still wish it wasn’t a yellow shirt

[hot cairn]

yeah but people are talking about a strawhat dying

[iron oriole]

people begging for Usopp to die for years like its ever going to happen

[hot cairn]

that’s ridiculous

[glacial bear]

They’re dumb

[glass plume]

They're jealous.

They wish they could be half as brave as Usopp is.

[grand flower]

I can’t believe he was wearing a jacket that’s a crop top that’s a button up that’s a deep v-neck that also has a popped collar

[wraith mantle]

the more confidant you guys are of usopp not dying, the more of a an avelanche it will hit when he does die

[hot cairn]

LOL

sure man

[glass plume]

Khalid come on.

You're embarassing yourself.

[wraith mantle]

not saying i want him to die

but you guys are too confident lol

[wet condor]

I do

[dark nymph]

based

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/garling-garling-one-piece-figarland-garling-one-piece-god-valley-gif-6779252170843509990

[iron oriole]

we've already had 2 SHs die, we dont need more

[wet condor]

It can be good

[glacial bear]

His coloring looks way better here

[wraith mantle]

who

[wet condor]

But people will just say it can't because...

lol

[grand flower]

He’s got Imu’s nose

[iron oriole]

Brook & technically Luffy died to awaken to G5

[wet condor]

The Going Merry and who else?

OH lmao

[iron oriole]

and Merry true

[dark nymph]

I don't expect any of the SHs to die, but I think anyone else is fair game rn

[iron oriole]

3 SH deaths and you guys want more

so greedy

[wraith mantle]

i will sell you to the CDs

[wet condor]

Luffy G5 is a fakeout death

[grand flower]

I hate the article itself why is it like that

[dark nymph]

Usopp dying would actually be awful, he hasn't accomplished enough

[grand flower]

No garment should be all of those things

[wet condor]

Not even really b/c we know he ain't going

Not 'til the very end at least

[glass plume]

Do you seriously expect any of the straw hats to die, before Luffy becomes pirate king?

That's mad talk.

[wet condor]

Before Luffy becomes PK? Definitely not lol

[wraith mantle]

i mean, in my eyes, usopp is already a brave warrior of the sea

hes accomplished plenty

[grave crypt]

Usopps a bitch

[glass plume]

That's what people are proposing.

[grave crypt]

Hes no brave warrior

[glass plume]

And it's fucking STUPID.

[iron oriole]

ask people who they want Imu to kill on Elbaf & if its not Jarul, its a SH

[wraith mantle]

i mean jarul is a given

bro is not surviving beyond the first two pages of next chapter

[iron oriole]

the helmet will tank it again

[dark nymph]

I wouldn't go that far but yeah its a good guess

[latent hamlet]

Nah
Imu kills jarul by pulling out the sword

"This belonged to me"

[ruby moat]

“Usopp should die” just feels like an extension of the vehement hatred usopp has gotten recently and doesn’t feel like something ppl truly believe would be good writing or a good thing to happen in the story

[wraith mantle]

imu will grab the sword stuck to his head by the hilt, and fucking push that thing all the way down

[grand flower]

“Ima need to hold that real quick”

[still mason]

I think Ripley will die, Oda loves killing moms

[glass plume]

I never understood the Usopp hate.

[iron oriole]

sybau

[wraith mantle]

first mom to die in present piece?

[ashen perch]

Ripley is going to be fine lol

[lofty fern]

I can see it, but I know I'm not everyone in that

[still mason]

Only if you think Big Mom is still alive

[ashen perch]

well she is

[iron oriole]

let it go Arsal

[still mason]

I agree

[glass plume]

People say that they hate Usopp, because he doesn't get enough moments?

[wraith mantle]

big mom is not a mother, she is just a woman who gave birth

[glass plume]

Or what is the matter with people saying they want Usopp to die, or whatever.

[ashen perch]

its kind of in her name

[still mason]

So a mother

[ruby moat]

It feels rly like mob mentality esque

[lofty fern]

I thought it, but after the children and parents love is the strongest thing scene? I don't think so

[wraith mantle]

she never mother'd

[still mason]

This is easily the dumbest argument

[glass plume]

She has 83 kids.

[still mason]

In the history of humanity

[urban lodge]

Mothers can be bad

[dark nymph]

tbh my guesses are Jarul, then some random ass giants like DDT

That's it.

[glass plume]

Hey, if it was up to the community everyone would die except for Zoro, Sanji, Loki and Luffy.

[wraith mantle]

big mom is beyond bad

[ashen perch]

Oda does kill a lot of parents, but really Kaido and Cobra are the only ones who actually died in present time

[leaden rivet]

How many moms died in current time?

[wraith mantle]

zero

[ashen perch]

none

people make it a mother thing for some reason, when its a parents thing

[dark nymph]

its a flashback thing

[ashen perch]

Oda loves killing parents/parental figures

[glass plume]

People want to overlap that with Oda being against women or whatever.

[leaden rivet]

Well this feels like an easy thing to answer, just compare the father deaths with mother deaths

[glass plume]

"oh he ONLY kills mothers"

[grave crypt]

Woke and people love to fit their agendas

[wraith mantle]

how many mothers vs fathers has oda killed in flashbacks?

[ashen perch]

I have never counted tbh, lets see uh

[still mason]

Probably more fathers

[grave crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-pops-bob-pops-meme-gif-2923017302726920509

[ashen perch]

I am counting the father figures btw

[glass plume]

I need to take my anger management pills.

[iron oriole]

fathers just die less often because they're present less

[leaden rivet]

So Whitebeard counts then lol

[warm sierra]

harald flashback was truly revolutionary, he killed both

[wraith mantle]

its not a woman hate thing lol killing mothers is more emotional thats why he spams it

[glass plume]

It's more emotional depending on what said parents connection was, not because the gender.

[leaden rivet]

Nico Olivia, Bellmere, Sora, Ida

[wraith mantle]

he killed 2 mothers and two dads

[leaden rivet]

Estrid

[dark nymph]

flashback Oda is out for blood

[wraith mantle]

actually wait

[leaden rivet]

Uh

[wraith mantle]

4 mothers and two dads

damn he went on a massacre

[lofty fern]

I don't hate Usopp, but there are many aspects to his character that can rub people the wrong way or just come off as unlikable

[grand flower]

He does deaths in the flashback to set up the tragedies we’re fighting for. That’s also why there’s more fake outs in the present 🫣

[leaden rivet]

Rouge is dead right?

[iron oriole]

yes

[prisma yacht]

Hello

[hot cairn]

Kaido is dead but BM isnt

alright Buddy

[iron oriole]

died at childbirth iirc

[hot cairn]

[prisma yacht]

Rouge is waiting for us in heaven realm

[wraith mantle]

We havent seen Rouge's body

she might be alive

[iron oriole]

smh

[leaden rivet]

So far I think

Rouge
Estrid
Ida
Sora
Olvia
Bellmere

[prisma yacht]

Smh classic oda move

[iron oriole]

we never saw Pedro's body, he must be alive

[glass plume]

We haven't seen Joyboys body he might be alive too

[wraith mantle]

shanks mom

bb's mom

[glass plume]

Thinking back on it, have we seen Nikas body?

[prisma yacht]

Final war appearance soon

[glass plume]

or the god of wars body?

[wraith mantle]

viola's sister

[fossil nimbus]

If this boar is alive, big mom is definitely alive

[carmine frigate]

Rouge held a baby for 28 months. she might have a haki womb

[glass plume]

Hell, have we even seen Ace's body after he died?

[urban lodge]

Eris is still alive puppeteeting BB from the shadows

Eris

[wraith mantle]

800 years hes probably dead

[leaden rivet]

Rebecca’s mother is dead also forgot her name

[dark nymph]

genuinely why the fuck is this thing alive

[hot cairn]

BB’s mom didnt die in a flashback

[ashen perch]

Cobra, Robin's dad (offscreen), Whitebeard, Xebec, Corazon, Tom, Hiriluk, Kaido, Roger, Clapp, Harald, Homing, Hanafuda, Kalgara, Oden, Trafalgar Dad (I forgot his name), Yasuie, Arashi and yea I think thats all the dead dads

[leaden rivet]

Forgot about her

[glass plume]

Can't know for certain since we haven't seen their bdoy.

[leaden rivet]

What’s her name

[lofty fern]

Whitebeard was a father to many, never forget that

[prisma yacht]

Well shanks made sure he was dead

soo

SOOO

[ashen perch]

oh right, whitebeard lol

[glass plume]

Speaking of Shanks, we haven't seen Magnolias body either.

[wraith mantle]

just use your common sense smh

[hot cairn]

Kuma’s dad

[wraith mantle]

niggas wanna be spoonfed

[glass plume]

Common sense isn't something this fandom has.

[fossil nimbus]

Oda can't actually kill a character to save his life. (apart from ace and wb)

[ashen perch]

Kuma's dad is Clapp jesus smh

[leaden rivet]

So far I think

Rouge
Estrid
Ida
Sora
Olvia
Bellmere
Rebecca’s mom
Magnolia

[wraith mantle]

ginny dead

[stone terrace]

Was klap too loud?

[maiden charm]

Mom scaling

[leaden rivet]

Oda is a flashback assassin sheesh

[hot cairn]

oh lol, didnt see it

[vernal ravine]

luffy and usopp mothers too

[still mason]

Toki

[carmine frigate]

Kid and Bartolomeo,not dead

[maiden charm]

Dadan

[wraith mantle]

mother caramel ig?

[prisma yacht]

Dadan lives

[digital spear]

Will Ripley be added

[iron oriole]

Dadan is alive bro

[wraith mantle]

😭

[iron oriole]

no YC

[lofty fern]

If giant gestation is also 3x longer, they hold babies for 27 months, so pretty close

[hot cairn]

anyone who actually thinks kid and Barto are dead is really dumb

[wraith mantle]

momo's mom

[hollow dove]

Law's dad never ended up getting a full name so you're all good there. I guess he'd just like to just go by Mr. Trafalgar though

[maiden charm]

Oh yall scaling dead moms,I thought just in general lmao

[iron oriole]

Ripley will be protected

[prisma yacht]

[vernal ravine]

zoro's mother probably dead too

[lofty fern]

One of those is correct

[dark nymph]

what about Kaido and BM?

well, Kaido, BM is alive imo

[hot cairn]

dead and buried

[carmine frigate]

Moria will bring all these characters back once his fruit awakens

[digital spear]

Skelemom

[hot cairn]

both of them

[leaden rivet]

Rouge
Estrid
Ida
Sora
Olvia
Bellmere
Rebecca’s mom
Magnolia
Banchina
Mother caramel
Otohime
Toki
Ginny

[glass plume]

What would Kid even do if he came back, be honest.

Would he have any purpose.

Other than "OH HE IS BACK"

[wraith mantle]

Toki

[digital spear]

Kill Imu

[stone terrace]

Mom in a flashback = cooked

Interesting quirk

[digital spear]

Actually kill all the Holy Knights

[lofty fern]

Eh, people thought it dumb for Big Mom and Kaido to be dead, but I'm slowly seeing that opinion turn

[carmine frigate]

help in the final battle

[glass plume]

He'd be their doormat.

[iron oriole]

Ginny

[hot cairn]

not knowing what he would of he comes back doesnt mean he cant come back

[leaden rivet]

Is Ginny confirmed dead?

[digital spear]

Not with those steel heartts

[wraith mantle]

she is mega dead

[iron oriole]

we saw her grave smh

[glass plume]

No, I'm just genuinely wondering what purpose it would fill.

[stone terrace]

She was buried

[ashen perch]

On the mother's side

Bellemere, Rouge, Ida, Estrid, Sora, Olvia, Scarlet, Banchina, Carmel, Mama Mingo, Akamami, Eris (presumably), Ginny, Toki, Tera, Russian, Otohime, Titi, Trafalgar Mom

[glass plume]

Sorry, they're not magnetic.

[ashen perch]

more dads actually

[hot cairn]

ye

[dark nymph]

Moria bringing back Kaido's corpse would be cool

[digital spear]

Prove it

[hollow dove]

Look at the latest post in #manga-serious, there's a whole essay in there right now about what he'd do in the future

[stone terrace]

Carmel was not a mom

[leaden rivet]

Ohh her mothers name was scarlet

[glass plume]

I tried to attract them with a magnet it didn't do shit

[wraith mantle]

if we counting Trafalgar Dad we gotta count Trafalgar mom

[carmine frigate]

we never saw Hiruluk's body

[ashen perch]

Carmel was BM's mother figure

oh yeah

[hot cairn]

I never thought it was dumb for BM and Kaido to be dead. They’re not comparable to Kid and Barto tho

[glass plume]

[vernal ravine]

probably all the strawhats moms are gone

[digital spear]

Kid is the only character people ask for a purpose btw every other character theyre like "oh theyll come back" dont fall for the anti kid bias

[hot cairn]

because it blew up to pieces

[glass plume]

I don't want Big Mom or Kaido to come back either.

[leaden rivet]

Oda kills more real mothers but more father figures then

[ashen perch]

eh

its 50/50

[glass plume]

Or Xebec, Whitebeard, Ace, Roger and whoever else who might have died.

[wraith mantle]

but in a flasback, the probablity of a mother dying is higher

oda kills a lot of fathers in present ig

[leaden rivet]

Think there’s much more actual mommy deaths

[hollow dove]

Also like, the only ones who ask about what he'll do and then act dismissive when answers are given anyway, lol. I don't know what the purpose of asking even is half the time I see the question

[lofty fern]

I think it's probably more mothers die

[leaden rivet]

Unlikely. I think Gaban is more likely. If Riley was in a flashback she’d be for sure dead tho.

[hot cairn]

Gaban has plot armor

[glass plume]

Kid coming back and killing Imu and the Holy Knights you mean?

[lofty fern]

Oda doesn't like mothers involved as its hard to have people participate in adventures when they have a mother watching over them. Fathers are usually like whatever. That's why we lose so many moms

[hot cairn]

people keep forgetting

[dark nymph]

he does?

[digital spear]

Xebec has been dead for 40 years, Kaido and Big Mom have been villains for 200 chapters, Rogers, Aces and WBs deaths are way too good/
fundamental for the series

[ashen perch]

Cobra, Whitebeard, Xebec, Kaido, Clapp, Roger, Harald, Homing, Hanafuda, Kalgara, Oden, Trafalgar Dad and Arashi are all biological dads
Rouge, Ida, Estrid, Sora, Olvia, Scarlet, Banchina, MamaMingo, Akamami, Eris, Ginny, Toki, Tera, Russian, Otohime, Titi and Trafalgar Mom are the moms

[leaden rivet]

Didn’t he say something like mothers hold your dream back or something

[glass plume]

And still people want Xebec to be the fucking man marked by flame by some weird imagination.

[hollow dove]

Not single-handedly, but along with other protagonists yes. Feel free to dismiss this at your leisure

[stone terrace]

Oda is a fake pokemon fan

[lofty fern]

It's why Collun would basically not have the same kind of life as Luffy. He couldn't just go out to sea.

[stone terrace]

You CAN have moms and go on adventures

[wraith mantle]

the moms win

[ashen perch]

I might be missing like one or two names but this is the complete list

[leaden rivet]

Whitebeard?

[glass plume]

That's fine, I just can't take people serious when they expect Kid to come back and somehow be the trump card for every issue present.

[leaden rivet]

But he’s gay….i mean he has no biological kids

[ashen perch]

Whitebeard is the father of Weevil

[lofty fern]

You're listing even randos from SBSs?

[dark nymph]

holy

[digital spear]

Well if people cant even imagine Xebec is dead why would Kid be

[prisma yacht]

Oda likes ditto is why we saw imu as a blob

[glass plume]

Kid has a better chance of coming back.

[ashen perch]

I mean Zoro's parents are probably not randos

[hot cairn]

he has information to give

[glass plume]

I just don't see what he'd do when he comes back.

[stone terrace]

But it does go to show that basically every strawhat comes from a broken home besides jimbei and brook who we dont know enough about

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-d-xebec-vs-harald-the-king-of-giants-fight-the-davy-legacy-gif-4898321560894560005

[glass plume]

He doesn't have a ship for example.

[dark nymph]

oooooh true

[hot cairn]

that’s plot armor

[dark nymph]

almost forgot about that

[ashen perch]

Jinbe is an orphan

[lofty fern]

They are randos as far as the story is concerned. At this point then just add all the parents killed in god valley and in Lulucia

[ashen perch]

not ready for Zoro's flashback ^^

[dark nymph]

elbaph getting fucked up even more fs

[leaden rivet]

Was this an SBS

[glass plume]

I kinda hope that Elbaph won't be intact.

It would be nice to see ragnarok actually fall through.

[lofty fern]

Ah, the new "just wait until Kid's flashback"

[digital spear]

Get a new one (if he needs one)

[ashen perch]

a joke, but he said they are the opposite of adventure lol

[wraith mantle]

what is the implcation of elbaf being completely destroyed

[glass plume]

From the giants who hate him?

[stone terrace]

As a real zoro fan, we have enough zoro content

[lofty fern]

Yeah, he did. It's why he kills so many moms off

[wraith mantle]

the giants will have to leave their homeland and mingle with the rest of the world?

[stone terrace]

Just put the onigiri in the bag

[ashen perch]

we know this, because he was part of the Fishman District, a place specifically for the orphans

[digital spear]

They shouldnt hate him because of Big Mom

[leaden rivet]

I mean op mothers usually tell their children to follow their dreams and stuff

[dark nymph]

I need more

[hot cairn]

[glass plume]

Hajrudin will rebuild Elbaph, and effectively become the king of giants.

[leaden rivet]

They don’t usually hold them back

[wraith mantle]

shanks mom didnt get to tell him that 💔

[ashen perch]

yes, it was a joke lol

[glass plume]

No, I mean because he went against Shanks.

Dorry and Brogy even laid the finishing touch.

[leaden rivet]

No sympathy for a CD lover

[wraith mantle]

i do wonder how shanks' mom will play a role in shaping who shanks is

[ashen perch]

SBS is 95% jokes, Oda literally said that its all bullshit

[leaden rivet]

Me when misogyny is a jokey joke

[digital spear]

Dorry and Broggy dont speak for all of Elbaf

[stone terrace]

I love being a masculist

[vernal ravine]

i feel like the zoro flashback would be like that kaido flashback meme

[lofty fern]

It's more so the idea that mothers will take care of you like a good mother and you would be able to just jump out and do dangerous random things. Fathers are more like whatever live and learn, but mothers protect their young. That's why mothers are the antithesis to adventure

[glass plume]

So you don't think that the giants hate Kid after he tried to attack them.

They'd just willingly build him a new ship, after they destroyed his old one.

[digital spear]

He didnt really try to attack them but Shanks

[ashen perch]

silly way to view it lol

[glass plume]

He pointed a gun at their hometown, Dorry and Brogy even said so.

[lofty fern]

It was, but that is one of the reasons we have so little moms. It's why you don't see many parents in shounen in general

[leaden rivet]

I just don’t really find it funny. Especially with the way he’s treated female characters. If he was more of a progressive mangaka maybe.

But he is who he is.

[ashen perch]

the way has been the opposite, no mother in the story has actually discouraged adventure

[wet condor]

If Kidd is alive, him killing Big Mom will get brought up, even if don't decide to ally with him.

"You're an enemy of Shanks, so you've gotta go. But since you did Elbaph the boon of killing Big Mom, we'll make it a quick death" or something like that

[hot cairn]

how has Oda treated female characters?

[warm fossil]

idk dadan really wanted them to stop dying in the forest

[wet condor]

It's just that him killing Big Mom will get mentioned lol

[digital spear]

Kid attacked a pirate some giants are friends with, if the giants are still fussy about it theyre kind of wussies lol

[wet condor]

Doesn't matter how it happens

[leaden rivet]

Like a shonen treats women

[lofty fern]

It has nothing to do with being female, it's abut the idea that if the person was a good parent, they wouldn't be allowing their kids to do all this stuff at a young age. So you have to remove them to get the story going

[hot cairn]

btw @leaden rivet you didn’t tell me your issues with Sabo

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/blinking-eyes-white-guy-2

[leaden rivet]

What is a mother? A female parent.

[ashen perch]

they were literal babies tbf, its not like Dadan minds it now

she's proud of Luffy, even

[leaden rivet]

I will one day.

[digital spear]

What

[hot cairn]

not… today?

[glass plume]

I don't know, I just feel angry today.

[lofty fern]

It's not about that, it's about the fact that if they were good mothers they would be protective, nurturing caregivers and while encouraging of dreams, they wouldn't be allowing their 13 year old to travel the seas

[stone terrace]

We need another 1079

[hot cairn]

LOL

that’s funny

[digital spear]

Against Loki?

[dark nymph]

the rocks one is pretty good too

[hot cairn]

another kid one shot?

[ashen perch]

no I understand, its just not been a thing in the series

[lofty fern]

In Oda's eyes the role of a mother is different than that of a father.

[digital spear]

Calm down then cuz didnt even say Kid would get a new ship from the giants

[wraith mantle]

isnt shakky her homegirl

like wtf gloriosa

[lofty fern]

It hasn't been a thing because Oda never lets mothers have that chance. Thats why everyone is an orphan or lost their mother

[glass plume]

No, I am not mad about that.
I just have a bad day in general, i am sorry.

[leaden rivet]

Gloriosa cool character outside flashback.

Flashback: just a Roger simp

Shakky: cool character outside flashback

Flashback: Rayleigh simp

[stone terrace]

We ran out of people to one shot ig

Cant be mihawk that would be terrible for zoro

[ashen perch]

pretty excellent track record if only 3 characters out of the hundreds and hundreds are actually like this

[leaden rivet]

The entire lovesick illness so you literally will just die if you don’t go outside and find dick is just a bit bullshit to me

Makes an island full of women warriors, except all their leaders are these huge simps to men who don’t give them the time of day

[ashen perch]

its very complicated with Boa

[lofty fern]

It's like with Collun, he's a special case in that he actually has BOTH parents in his life. If he were to go out to sea. I doubt he would get far and his mother and father would bring him home pretty quick. That's not an ideal scenerio for a shounen protagonist

[leaden rivet]

I know

[ashen perch]

it'd be silly to boil it down to just simping

[leaden rivet]

It was fine at the beginning. But whenever Luffy is around or mentioned she turns into a stupid gag character

She has great reasons to love Luffy

[stone terrace]

Awful

[leaden rivet]

And I enjoyed the start of their story

Everything after is bullshit

[lofty fern]

I think I agree. I do like the beginning of Boa's story with Luffy, but I think Oda began to just make a joke out of it, and after a while it feels more grating than anything.

[urban lodge]

It's worse with the other Kuja because at least with Hancock there's a reason to it

[leaden rivet]

Once an Amazon Lily princess loves a man everything is second to dick. They cease being a character.

[hot cairn]

you don’t think OP has good female characters besides some gags?

[leaden rivet]

The best op female characters are Big mom and Hancock who have several writing problems due to them being women

[vernal ravine]

might be a hot take but i liked shakky's character in the flashback

[ashen perch]

Idk, its really just not a big deal in the case of Hancock, she does have reason to act that way around the very first man to be legitimately good to her, but Oda does sometimes play it up for the sake of humour.

[still mason]

Wow so we're just shitting on Dadan I see

[wet condor]

Oda has the men looking pathetic too at times lol

Look how they acted around Shakky

[lofty fern]

I do think making it a whole sickness is rather sad, though I've seen similar sicknesses in fiction, usually for species that are dying out and need to mate.

[wet condor]

Even the top dawgs

[prisma yacht]

Have you guys seen the gloriosa big mom yuri posts on twitter

they have been real good lately

just saying

[leaden rivet]

That’ll never be their entire character like it is with the women that’s the difference.

[lofty fern]

Not all of us like Dadan

[glacial bear]

I love Dadan

[leaden rivet]

There are decent women characters

[ashen perch]

I think in the case of Stussy, there's more to play out with the story that I'd wait and see to judge

[wet condor]

I know what point you're getting at, I just wanted to point it out lol

[glass plume]

I like dadan noodles

[ashen perch]

we just saw her at a time where she did quite foolishly lol

[stone terrace]

Clone stussy does the femme fatale archetype well

[ashen perch]

but we'll get more on her eventually, when the Weevil stuff becomes a focus

[stone terrace]

Normal stussy is a nothing

[ashen perch]

clone Stussy is great yeah

[leaden rivet]

Oda did big mom initially pretty well but then mistreats her prettt much the rest of her screen time. I can’t see why people want big mom to come back so Zoro can style on her or something.

At least he didn’t make her a Kaido simp

[ashen perch]

He did her well to the ''end'', I dont think I ever had an issue with her writing

[glass plume]

Best BIg Mom panel

[lofty fern]

Stussy feels like a joke today, but Oda often does that once he makes beautiful women old and ugly, especially if they were evil to start. I don't expect much out of her, anymore than say an Alvida. An evil side character who is just interested in money and profit.

[ashen perch]

her mental deficiences are inherent to her character

[glacial bear]

I enjoyed Conis

[leaden rivet]

Her character quickly becomes a mess once Wano starts and it’s clear he’s just trying to get her out of the way to progress the plot

[glacial bear]

She was cool with that Bazooka

[ashen perch]

thats just not true lol

[leaden rivet]

Even despite being a women she still turned out better than Kaido which is impressive

[grand flower]

It’s not a big deal in any of their cases tbh

[ashen perch]

well yeah, but thats an interesting role for her to play imo

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-skypiea-sky-island-aisa-aisa-one-piece-gif-13212787476617557110

[ashen perch]

as a bit of an antagonist, as the one manipulating Weevil

[glacial bear]

Dr Kureha another cool one

[lofty fern]

Is it? I mean if you find that interesting

[leaden rivet]

There are definitely some cool women in one piece

[ashen perch]

I am curious to see how the Weevil/Bakkin dynamic plays out, thats all

[ashen perch]

Gloriosa is kind of egregious imo, but really even then its one out of hundreds and hundreds

[leaden rivet]

You have Ida, Kureha, Dadan, Robin (sometimes) Vivi (all the time)

[glacial bear]

Alvida will be the final villain

She’s the first and final villain

[hot cairn]

Nami too

[stone terrace]

She was there

Fs

[leaden rivet]

I don’t believe I made any mistakes Jesús

[stone terrace]

Cool scooter

[glass plume]

Bonney is cool.

[hot cairn]

[ashen perch]

Conis is really cool

[lofty fern]

Many mothers in the few moments we get them are cool, even if some of them are only defined by that role. Robin and Nami are good, Pudding was great, Stussy has some good moments, I really like Shakky, and Ripley has been good this arc. Ida was good though she was grating at times, and there are so many others out there

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-anime-78

[vernal ravine]

Lola underrated

[lofty fern]

Oh yeah Bonney and Ginny are great

[stone terrace]

Shes like by far the worst arc princess i dont even think she can really even get that label

[leaden rivet]

We haven’t learned much about Tritoma but given she died to no dick disease I’m guessing she’s a simp also

[glacial bear]

Hina and Doll have aura

[hot cairn]

Conis is an arc princess?

[leaden rivet]

Oh Bonney is a really good one

I can’t believe I forgot her

[ashen perch]

she's part of one of my fav scenes in the series

[pulsar path]

Weevil is joining the straw hats bet

[prisma yacht]

Otohime and bellemere are cool as well

[glacial bear]

I saw Nami as the arc princess cuz didn’t Enel take her?

[ashen perch]

(Sun God foreshadowing btw)

[prisma yacht]

So glue

[hot cairn]

Otohime is great too

[leaden rivet]

Yeah I liked Ida

[lofty fern]

I liked Bellemere, though I will never like Otohime

[ashen perch]

Conis is not a princess, I think its silly to describe her that way

[pulsar path]

So tbh I don't think the Nika dance was the Nika pose at first I think it was Luffy upside down with his legs arched

[ashen perch]

you cant just point to a woman existing in an arc and call her a princess

[dark nymph]

fuuuuck she was so cool

[leaden rivet]

Her being a huge influence to Harald is great, she was more of a character than most of the Elbaf characters

[stone terrace]

You dont need to be a princess to be the arc proncess

[prisma yacht]

That's sad

[stone terrace]

Momo is wanos arc princess

[glass plume]

I loved the horror aspect.

Acidic drool

[lofty fern]

Princess can be a role, just as much as a position

[ashen perch]

but he actually has the title of prince

[prisma yacht]

Momo is the goat

[ashen perch]

he's the future shogun, he actually has stake in the country

[pulsar path]

Law is a princess

[stone terrace]

Bonney was eggheads

[dark nymph]

eating her own kids too, actual menace

[ashen perch]

Conis is just a woman that cares about her people

[lofty fern]

He is not.

[prisma yacht]

Kid is killers princess

[dark nymph]

then Wano happened...

[glass plume]

Oh, yeah...

[stone terrace]

Dressrosa is half law half rebecca

[ashen perch]

Bonney wasnt Egghead's princess either, Egghead's princess was Lilith actually

[leaden rivet]

What did you like about it

[trim lily]

bonney was absolutely the princess of egghead

[hot cairn]

huh?

[lofty fern]

If it helps you, you can simply call it the "Princess role" in terms of the story arc

[pulsar path]

He really is tho his whole story is a princess story without actually and I bet he ends up being a blood line of an old king

[ashen perch]

you guys cant just say a woman existing in a story is a princess

[glass plume]

Rebecca is also great, other than her horrid outfit.

[trim lily]

it doesn’t have to be a woman

[lofty fern]

? It was totally Bonney

[trim lily]

loki is the princess of elbaf

[ashen perch]

yeah he is

[trim lily]

and/or gunko

[pulsar path]

Law is more of a princess of dressrossa than Viola and Rebecca

[urban lodge]

Bonney was literally a princess too for a short while

[ashen perch]

Gunko is not

[glass plume]

https://klipy.com/gifs/one-piece-rebecca-one-piece

[lofty fern]

It's not about existing, it's about what role do they serve in the story. Also Bonney is actual princess, while Lilith is not. Not sure how that debate got there

[leaden rivet]

I mean I don’t understand how Lilith could be in it, she’s hardly relevant as Bonney is

[ashen perch]

A princess is actually a royal figure deeply involved in the fight for her kingdom, this OP character archetype is based on Vivi and you cannot point a single similarity between Vivi and Bonney lol

[pulsar path]

Yeah cus Kuma is a king technically

I mean bonney is a princess

She the princess of sorbet or was

[ashen perch]

literally being a princess is irrelevant

[stone terrace]

Eh its more the person that luffy "liberates" in that arc

Moreso than any other person

[urban lodge]

But she does fit the princess role too

[lofty fern]

I disagree, Law is most of an additional SH. Rebecca is the very obvious princess of the arc. She not only has the title, but she fulfills all the attributes of the role.

[leaden rivet]

So Koby is the first princess?

[stone terrace]

Yes

[ashen perch]

???

[hot cairn]

Arsal Bonney is def the arc princess lol

[ashen perch]

no

[fringe ice]

Pink hair, checks out

[prisma yacht]

Omg

Nodders

[urban lodge]

Oda and his pink haired princesses

[ashen perch]

just say secondary main character or something omg

[lofty fern]

I don't think the princess idea took off until Vivi, but I'd say the real first one was Nami

[ashen perch]

you guys are terrible at this

[lofty fern]

Okay now that's irrelevant.... 🙄

[grand flower]

In what regard?

The way she ages?

[ashen perch]

ARC PRINCESS is a very specific role, that only Vivi, Rebecca, Viola, Mansherry, Momo, Hiyori and Loki have actually embodied

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-diamante-rebecca-sunflowers-kyros-gif-25130003

[ashen perch]

anyone else is just a secondary main character

[pulsar path]

They have to cry and be useless for a second that's my requirement

[glass plume]

Kyros ftw.

[ashen perch]

yeah, because her being a princess has nothing to do with Egghead

[royal orchid]

this is a good powerscaling point kyros is faster than a whip

[stone terrace]

kyros was the strongest non haki user till he got lapped by wranky

[glass plume]

Kyros should've had conquerors haki.

[ashen perch]

her entire personality is really just based around Roger, to the point that even saving her companion Shakky gets related to wanting to score points with Roger.

I dont think the way she aged is an issue

[glacial bear]

Y’all remember the Cupid shuffle dance?

[lofty fern]

Uh, no....Mansherry? really? And Momo? And Loki? Come on...do better

[glass plume]

?

[ashen perch]

YES???

[glacial bear]

Cha cha real smooth

[stone terrace]

im not sure if i want to call loki an arc princess hes really pulling his weight here lmao

[urban lodge]

Shakky's closest friend who went to God Valley to rescue her and gets a total of 2 panels in all of God Valley

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/cha-cha-real-smoo-gif-22384438

[glass plume]

I have no recollection of that

[ashen perch]

every arc princess is competent

[ashen perch]

as much as they can be

[lofty fern]

You're right, everything ELSE she does, her ENTIRE arc and flashback and her fight to stand up for herself and her father? THAT is what makes her the arc princess.

[ashen perch]

man

thats just a secondary main character

[leaden rivet]

This is way too arbitrary for you guys to have so many standards for it lol

[ashen perch]

I just dislike the term arc princess being thrown around for every single character

its silly

[stone terrace]

i think the concept itself is too silly to be rigorously defined

😭

[lofty fern]

The Role of the Princess in One Piece
Political Catalyst: Princesses are often the target of villains seeking to overthrow governments (e.g., Crocodile in Arabasta, Doflamingo in Dressrosa).
Allies of the Straw Hats: They serve as the moral compass for the arc, providing the Straw Hats with a reason to intervene in local politics.
Symbol of Hope: They represent the future and stability of their respective nations.
Fighting Spirit: While not always the strongest combatants, they are almost always willing to fight for their beliefs.

[ashen perch]

VIVI is the definiton of it, she created the role practically

is that AI

[vernal ravine]

basically, based on what you said before, she's not mainly just a man's current love interest even in the present you can see it, like boa sometimes seems to be with luffy, or even gloriosa with roger, she had the nerve to open a bar on a pirate infested island all by herself and earned their respect (though I know it's mainly because of her beauty) tbh, don't think she's a great character, but I feel like some people here hate her

[lofty fern]

It's not every single character, it's just very obvious ones each arc.

[leaden rivet]

Well I mean she definitely is mostly just Rayleigh’s love interest. Most of her character is just based around being into Rayleigh. She’s better outside the flashback but in the flashback not so much.

And I don’t think many people hate her

I think it’s just mostly me.

[ashen perch]

okay even the AI definition is actually agreeing with me but regardless

it doesnt matter, it doesnt know better than I do but still lol

[leaden rivet]

She has a somewhat decent first chapter and then it becomes about Rayleigh, fainting in her bar and shit because Rayleigh didn’t visit

Oh brother

No man is even worth all that

[grand flower]

You guys know what bit roles are right

Lemme rephrase

[lofty fern]

That would have been Vegapunk and the satellites. You can tell the difference between the princess of the arc and the secondary protagonist of the arc. Sometimes they are both like in Vivi's case. Sometimes they are separate like in Egghead, Dressrosa, and Wano

[grand flower]

Y’all have heard of bit roles rihht

[stone terrace]

Romance Dawn - Koby
Orange Town - Choucho?
Syrup Village - Usopp
Baratie - Sanji
Arlong Park - Nami
Loguetown - N/A
Reverse Mountain - N/A
Whiskey Peak - N/A
Little Garden - N/A
Drum Island - Chopper
Alabasta - Vivi
Jaya - Cricket
Skypiea - Conis
LRLL - Chopper? (Fuck you, Luffy)
Water 7/EL - N/A

etc etc

[leaden rivet]

The epic love story where Rayleigh ignores her the entire flashback to save her from the epitome of evil, just to go back to ignoring her and looking for younger women

[ashen perch]

I think Shuron, what really just makes her frustrating is that contrast between that scene where she's just BAWLING over Shakky and the scene where she's relating that shit to point scoring with Roger

like thats just so bad

[lofty fern]

I don't think the role really took off until Alabasta, and it didn't really get going until post-TS

[ashen perch]

its character destroying stuff

[hot cairn]

what did Luffy do in LRLL

[stone terrace]

gambled away his crewmate

[ashen perch]

Gloriosa is simply pathetic from Oda, and its wild because he usually is better

I feel like

Oda gets too lost in gags sometimes

[hot cairn]

wdym Water 7/EL doesn’t have any, it’s clearly Robin

[ashen perch]

and thats probably it with her, but it doesnt make her any better

[dark nymph]

tbh I wasn't a fan of the whole simping from Roger either

[lofty fern]

I have not liked how Gloriosa was handled, mostly because it felt like Oda didn't know what to do with her. She does have a moment for Shakky, but most of her entire part of the flashback was to pine for Roger

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-kendrick-hater-im-the-biggest-hater-fuck-drake-gif-8176788524906424333

[dark nymph]

that entire part of the flashback sucked

[lofty fern]

She literally disappears the entire fight at GV

[leaden rivet]

To be fair most of the rocks pirates do

[urban lodge]

Truly dog valley

[hot cairn]

true, he surely prioritises them over other stuff in his chapters

[fringe ice]

Orange town - Mayor
Reverse Mountain - Laboon
Water 7/Enies Lobby - Robin

[stone terrace]

it probably is robin but robin has like literally 0 connection to water 7

[leaden rivet]

Imu doesn’t have a gag yet

[stone terrace]

so i kinda just passed her over

[dark nymph]

his gag was being a blob

funny lookin guy

[lofty fern]

Yeah, but most of them were background anyway, it's only the established characters we really care about, and Gloriosa is one

[leaden rivet]

Stussy in the flashback also mostly just cares about Whitebeard and nothing else

[grand flower]

Gloriosa and Roger are playing the exact same bit roles in Shakkys and Rayleighs romance story so I don’t see why that’s a female character problem with Gloriosa

[hot cairn]

yet

[ashen perch]

Even by your own definition, Bonney's arc in Egghead has nothing to do with her own Sorbet Kingdom, or about overthrowing a government there, or about local politics (she's not even local at all).

Bonney is there to take revenge on VP and then later Saturn, and she has the clear secondary focus to the MC throughout the arc.

[leaden rivet]

The only female character that isn’t simping just kept getting clowned on the entire arc lol

[fringe ice]

I'm half kidding about Orange town it's kinda Chouchou

[hot cairn]

Sharon is there something in OP that you dislike

[leaden rivet]

[fringe ice]

Why is this a problem again

[stone terrace]

roger would pay money to get stepped on like with amouranth

[leaden rivet]

Roger isn’t really a problem it’s mostly the women

But Roger does look dumb here which is funny and the point lol

[stone terrace]

holy fuck do NOT gif search amouranth

how is that even allowed

[dark nymph]

at least Rogers entire character isn't just this

[grand flower]

I just inform what I see in OP with what I’ve seen from other media

Romantic comedies tend to have supporting characters who are there for a bit

They are a light hearted reprieve from the main love story

[ashen perch]

They are, but Roger's role atleast has the added layer of still wanting to back up his bestie Rayleigh in spite of it all, so I found his role more compelling than Gloriosa's very one note existence.

Oda actually shows her caring that much about Shakky, and then throws it away with that horrendous gag and then doesn't even have her do anything at all for her sake.

[grand flower]

That’s what Roger ans gloriosa are in this story

[fringe ice]

Yikes I've seen nsfw content safer for work than that gif search

[grand flower]

Yeah they’re pathetic

Becausw theyre the comedic relief to the real love story

It’s not that deep

[lofty fern]

It is about the politics of the world that has upended her familiy's life. How the WG has held a shadow over both her and her father, constantly controlling and manipulating them. It's about finding the courage to believe and fight back against the oppressive system and to be more than she ever thought she could be, with Luffy's inspiration of course (a key component for any princess)
All of those things combined, along with her actually being a princess basically makes her a slam dunk for the role.
Vegapunk on the other hand in the secondary protagonist who works with Luffy, continues and pushes forth the plot of the arc almost from beginning to end, he is one of the big driving forces with his speech to the world, and he is still helping Luffy in his own way.

[hot cairn]

no I know, I’m just curious. Is there anything?

[leaden rivet]

I mean is that not exactly what you’d expect from searching that?

[grand flower]

This is how I see Roger and gloriosa in relation to Shakky and rays love story

It’s really not that deep as “bad woman writing”

She’s not pathetic because she’s a woman kmao

[lusty tangle]

Yoo i searched it and there were many people around me and i expected worse but it was way worse than that

[ashen perch]

I am aware, it still just makes her the secondary main character seeking revenge against the WG, thats all

[grand flower]

Not answering it tbh

[hot cairn]

why

[grand flower]

I’m sick of being written off as a glazer when I’m making valid points

[lofty fern]

Okay...sure if you can't see it, I can't make you see it. But don't be surprised that many others consider her the princess of the arc for all those reasons

[ashen perch]

tbh I could glaze Oda harder than you

I dont think you are a glazer, you're not doing it the way a glazer would

[leaden rivet]

We know

[soft tangle]

I’m sending my vote

[hot cairn]

Oh, my bad. I wasn’t calling you a glazer, I just wanted to know

[ashen perch]

I wouldnt call myself a glazer either, I was saying it lightly smh

but one thing that I am capable of

that I think most would rather not do

is try to understand Oda's intent everytime

[leaden rivet]

Well to be fair Arsal

[lusty tangle]

How can i vote too

[leaden rivet]

Why would anyone label themselves a glazer

[soft tangle]

Pinned

[ashen perch]

Many do label themselves glazers actually

[cold steppe]

Oda writes off characters by making them join the strawhats

[ashen perch]

whatever that means

[hot cairn]

I don’t mind glazing Oda

I love One Piece

[royal orchid]

oda is a hack

[ashen perch]

I think it would be nice if more people were actually willing to glaze a bit more, idk

something I notice, whenever a chapter comes out

[cold steppe]

He definitely deserves the glaze for the world building and the greater story

[ashen perch]

is that youre not gonna see people point out what they loved about it

they'd rather point out what they hated

[royal orchid]

it's easier to hate

[ashen perch]

it really is

[soft tangle]

Buddy didn’t even make haki till 500 chapters in

[hot cairn]

That’s just how people are

[leaden rivet]

I feel like it’s very easy to like

[ashen perch]

Haki was first used in chapter one, mentioned first in Jaya

[leaden rivet]

Because you never have to explain why you like something

But you always have to explain why you hate it

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/shanks-one-piece-gif-11424613

[soft tangle]

Oda also showed Shanks was ex-holy knight in chapter 1

[ashen perch]

no he didnt

[cold steppe]

That was in skypiea. I don't like haki tho

[lusty tangle]

What actually ??

[soft tangle]

No

[cold steppe]

Well I started not liking it after future sight

[ashen perch]

its not like people are doing a good job at doing that either

[royal orchid]

oda foreshadowed string theory

[leaden rivet]

Well if you like nearly everything it’s unsurprising you feel that way

[soft tangle]

All forms were in marineford when Akainu dodges haki attacks trust 🙏

[ashen perch]

majority of criticism is just ''this is bad'' with limited focus on '''what is bad about this'' and ''what would have been better'' and ''why would that have been better''

just hating to hate smh

[ashen perch]

I dont even...

[leaden rivet]

I see people talking about what would’ve have been better all the time

At least in this channel

[lofty fern]

People do explain their dislikes for the most part, but for some people those explainations are not enough

[cold steppe]

It's simple. If you can't say why then it's just for attention

[hot cairn]

regulars here do point out whats bad about this and what would be better tho

[leaden rivet]

That’s exactly it

[hot cairn]

I do think if you dislike something so much I don’t get why you still would read it tho

[ashen perch]

yeah I am not saying all of it

[hot cairn]

dropping stuff because you don’t like it anymore is okay

[lofty fern]

And we do often hear some variation of "wait and see"

[leaden rivet]

People assume too much of you dislike an aspect of something you hate all of it

[ashen perch]

I have to see #manga on chapter days, its horrific really

THAT is the majority of the fanbase

you guys are like a hundred people

[urban lodge]

Whenever I mention that I don't like what Xebec means for BB

[leaden rivet]

And many of you relegate any criticism of the story to major extremes.

[hot cairn]

I would drop OP if I’m not enjoying it as much as I used to

[glacial bear]

It’s a peak dance https://youtu.be/wZv62ShoStY?si=GRO-eLtOwvwYoR2R

[hot cairn]

I get wanting to know how it ends

but why torture yourself lol

[lofty fern]

Like people shouldn't dislike something because Oda will eventually make something great just wait and see. Maybe we just don't have to always like what Oda does?

[cold steppe]

Exactly. Some people have enough dislikes that it makes no sense they're still reading

[soft tangle]

10 MORE YAMATO COVER STORIES

[cold steppe]

Like the agenda youtuber

[lofty fern]

Lol, I do remember that. People were like "Just wait! Oda will do something cool" and then nothing came out of it

[hot cairn]

yeah he should just drop one piece

[vernal ravine]

sometimes is better just to get on hold something and wait for the moment you want to check it again

[ashen perch]

but it is important to acknowledge that you might be speaking too soon though

[soft tangle]

Yamato crew formed before Urogue

[fringe ice]

I deadass dropped black lagoon on s2 because of a writing decision that pissed me off

[ashen perch]

like you can say that the possiblities are looking bleak, but its still a wait and see thing till we actually see it

[hot cairn]

wdym?

[hot cairn]

yeah people should be comfortable with doing stuff like this when you hate a development in the story

[dark nymph]

wait and see is how I deal with most of my criticisms in OP, and it almost always works out

[leaden rivet]

People were acting like I was satan for saying that I wanted more for Usopp and wasn’t sure how likely he’d get more because he was heavily injured

[misty pond]

What if neither Imu nor BB is the final boss, but an entity within Imu is its own demonic entity

[vernal ravine]

basically i agree with you, force yourself to stay on weekly for something you are not feeling is just damage to yourself and probably isn't the best way to make youself an opinion about it

[lofty fern]

Yes, but sometime you can judge things as they are, you don't have to always wait for every possibility and variable. Also a writer does have a responsibility to his audience. If you keep stringing them along in hope for good things later? Egh, not the best writing

[graceful belfry]

🥱

[ashen perch]

yea, I just saw it work out pretty well with regen for example, the new magnetic bodies angle to it has really done well to explain how its meant to work

[hot cairn]

that’s not saying something in the story is bad, you just want more

[hot cairn]

yep

[fringe ice]

I think Imu will get a tragic flashback

[leaden rivet]

I rarely ever say things are bad except Skypeia

[celest mauve]

the literal devil gets a tragic flashback?

[fringe ice]

It's gonna be interesting but I do think so

[stone terrace]

Theres only one path for that to happen

[cold steppe]

3 best friends joyboy, davy and Imu

[ashen perch]

the problem is that the writer of this series is thinking of everything in the scope of hundreds of chapters, so this doesn't work out so well when its One Piece

[hot cairn]

boring af

[stone terrace]

and its imu being tricked by the devil

[hot cairn]

and sounds exactly like some other series

[ashen perch]

there's multiple paths actually

[celest mauve]

I think he's just pure evil based on how he talked about joyboy and davy jones but we'll see ig

[dark nymph]

like im really not a fan of the HKs getting clapped this easily, but they could get back up and be even stronger, or Imu could cause so much havoc that we need to team up against them so we'll see

[leaden rivet]

I mean even the worst of villains like Kaido and Doffy had tragic backstories

[hot cairn]

same

[wanton sundial]

hmmm

[ashen perch]

Nerona Imu being just possessed by the Devil entity is a strong possibility yeah, but I believe in the corrupted Earth God idea

[fringe ice]

It'd be a lot more compelling if he wasn't irrationally evil but instead if it was rooted in a tragic story

[leaden rivet]

He could go the Enel route if he really wants

[trim lily]

i think it’d be more fun if there was more of a reason imu turned out they were they are other than they’re Evil and want power

[hot cairn]

tbh illy I haven’t seen you be optimistic about the story at all so maybe that’s why people think you hate it

[fringe ice]

Domi reversi'd earth klabautermann type shit

[vernal ravine]

literally, kurohige saw his father trying to kill him while being a child and probably his mother died young

[ashen perch]

The Devil was just the Earth God, before humanity did everything to piss it off basically

[cold steppe]

I do believe he's cursed, but I still think he's human

[hot cairn]

Doffy didnt get tricked by anyone and had a tragic backstory

[brittle basin]

Imu just being possessed can work, but may be less satisfying than a man who made a deal with the devil.

[cold steppe]

I think he's represented by "man" in the mural

[stone terrace]

imu is like 3 trillion times worse than doffy

[fringe ice]

I also like the prospect of Imu having either ancient giant or lunarian blood so he's a Lucifer/Judas kinda figure to his own people

[stone terrace]

imu makes the H man look small time

[ashen perch]

Doffy is just larping as Imu

[leaden rivet]

If Doffy had Imu’s authority I think he would be just as bad

[ashen perch]

yeah lol

[trim lily]

hell he’d probably be worse

[alpine trench]

One Piece

Amirite fellas

[ashen perch]

so true

[fringe ice]

Doffy and Kaido did to their own countries what Imu does on a global scale

[leaden rivet]

Optimistic how?

[hot cairn]

idk like liking it in general

[alpine trench]

Well that’s been my contribution to this, good luck

[leaden rivet]

You probably don’t see me liking things because when I say I like something people don’t argue with me for hours on it

[distant vine]

The new gimmick for Shanks haters is slandering him for checks notes not going to Elbaph to fight Imu

[hot cairn]

to what?

[distant vine]

They got me this time. My guy Shanks cant teleport. Im finished!!!

[glacial bear]

It’d be funny to see the God Knights flex

[alpine trench]

To this discussion

[fringe ice]

Didn't bro just leave

[leaden rivet]

Much easier to come in and see me explaining why I dislike something

[trim lily]

unless…

[frail kindle]

I hope everyone is having a wonderful Saturday

Except arsal

[fringe ice]

You too

[dark nymph]

yall rmmbr Shanks can freeze time

[brittle basin]

i'm having a normal saturday

[glacial bear]

Shanks can do anything

[brittle basin]

but i have to run errands per usual eventually

[distant vine]

Yeah and Imu just arrived but they dont care

[hot cairn]

LOL that’s fair

[trim lily]

no that’s lucky roo

[glacial bear]

Killingham should’ve flexed with his MMA’s

[leaden rivet]

There are tons of things about Elbaf I like, outside the flashback

Though there are few things I liked in the flashback

[trim lily]

the rocks crew were so good

[stone terrace]

we love ida

[trim lily]

outside of the captain

[stone terrace]

all these gunko fans are the same

[glacial bear]

Captain John?

[trim lily]

you got it

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-god-valley-rocks-pirates-john-john-one-piece-gif-17382894523289875680

[leaden rivet]

Ida, and what little we had of zeros was good

Eris

[urban lodge]

Goat Zhi

[hot cairn]

[leaden rivet]

Harald despite being a dumbass was actually good

[glacial bear]

Imu and the Gorosei should flex

And I don’t mean this type of flex 💪

[hot cairn]

Gunko fans do tend to dislike rocks from what I’ve seen

[distant vine]

Im sad Gunko's gonna become an entirely new person once she's free

[stone terrace]

i couldnt enjoy harald after a certain point

[hot cairn]

fr

[distant vine]

It wont be the Gunko ik

[stone terrace]

like i just started cringing

[glacial bear]

Don’t worry bro she’ll die

[hot cairn]

Harald was such a great character

[brittle basin]

Gunko is finally gonna have her own personality lol

[trim lily]

i wish we got more of harald in the flashback

[leaden rivet]

I don’t know why people try to argue he wasn’t stupid

[glacial bear]

I’ll be sad when Sommers is free

[trim lily]

it feels like we skipped over some crucial development parts for him

[brittle basin]

hard to care about a character who is not, well, them. Not truly at least.

[glacial bear]

If Zoro breaks that steel heart then Sommers will be a good guy

[soft tangle]

He dies

[ashen perch]

what I do

[glacial bear]

Nah his redemption arc begins

[thick mango]

What if we melt his cool heart with a warm island song.

[soft tangle]

What did Harald do better than Oden

[trim lily]

good guy sommers is real

[hot cairn]

I don’t know

I didn’t mention oden

[glacial bear]

We are NOT ready for the Sommers flashback Arc yes ARC

[soft tangle]

Is Oden great

[trim lily]

weevil cutaway into sommers flashback

[graceful belfry]

Two great characters

[leaden rivet]

Sommers mother never loved him

[hot cairn]

yeah he is

[graceful belfry]

Raaaah

[glacial bear]

I like Oden. It’s delicious

[leaden rivet]

Harald is much more tolerable to me than Oden

[glacial bear]

Chicken and fried tofuuuu

https://tenor.com/view/oden-dance-one-piece-kozuki-gif-21215699

[soft tangle]

What made Harald better than Oden

[trim lily]

sommers is so obsessed with love because he has no heart of his own

[cold steppe]

Both good characters
Terrible people tho

[glacial bear]

Sommers is Zoro’s opponent for a reason. He’s top 1 right hand of the Figarlands

[alpine trench]

Oden got redemption and his tragedy is different from Harald’s

[glacial bear]

Sommers very likely has a supreme grade blade

[graceful belfry]

What makes him better? I’m not sure. I don’t particularly rate one over the other, but Harald is a lot more topical right now so you’ll probably see more people praising him than Oden

[distant vine]

Its absolutely insane how people in here argued with me for hours about how Elbaph being made peaceful was bad

😭

[glacial bear]

They hate us woke peeps

[trim lily]

i’m pretty sure one of the messages of the arc is to not go too far into either direction

[alpine trench]

He acted before he could completely be overwhelmed and helped his people in a way that is more palatable than what Harald ended up enduring

Both are incredibly written, deeply flawed and tragic characters

[distant vine]

"Noooo you cant stop the tradition of child soldiers!!!!! What if they need to fight?!"

[fringe ice]

Nothing, I actually prefer Oden

[alpine trench]

Oden got the last say and legacy, Harald did not

[graceful belfry]

Cookage

[thick mango]

Or maybe we need to melt his icy heart with a warm island song

[hot cairn]

cook

[alpine trench]

Completely different situations for their exploitation

[fringe ice]

Oda really knows how to make a mf feel for these poor bastards

[glacial bear]

Shamrock & Gunko if they successfully recruited Prince Loki to be a God Knight https://youtube.com/shorts/nUMbaOUvIIQ?si=UG1J6Llua_1MD0EW

[leaden rivet]

Never once felt bad for Oden

[alpine trench]

Oden is a more heroic character than Harald

I felt for Oden but I also was awed by his presence and how he went out

[fringe ice]

I feel bad for you then

[soft tangle]

Moria acted before him and wasn’t from Wano
His people ended up eating smiles anyway though

[fringe ice]

Oden was incredible

[wet condor]

In that classical heroic sense yeah

[graceful belfry]

The Legendary Hour, we cannot replace

[leaden rivet]

Oden was okay

[wet condor]

Harald is more similar to the modern hero archetype

[leaden rivet]

I think I just resonate with Harald a lot more

[alpine trench]

Moria’s arc ended up with him disillusioned and being vengeful, eventually resorting to keep the company of perverts and incels

[leaden rivet]

Despite how harsh I am on him

[graceful belfry]

Didn’t Oden get a literal Heracles parallel? I may be misremembering

[stone terrace]

Harald and oden are very different to me for one important reason

[alpine trench]

He did

[wet condor]

More selfless, willing to sacrifice for the sake of others and all of that

[stone terrace]

Kaido was foisted onto oden

[glacial bear]

I just noticed we seem to have a tragic dad every arc. People overlook that for the damsel in distress trope

[stone terrace]

Harald brought his problems upon himself

[fringe ice]

Harald made all the wrong choices due to ignorance, optimism, and generational guilt, and had me like the interstellar gif

[leaden rivet]

A lot of harald’s problems started before he was even born

[stone terrace]

Oden technically didnt even have a responsibility to wano

[alpine trench]

Oden’s problems also started before his birth

[wraith mantle]

I liked harald more