also-manga

[native cloud]

I think this why I don’t like his design.

Someone argued that it’s old and that if Oda were to draw the first Nika I wouldn’t like it too

[glass plume]

I think Oda just wants to make a statement with this design.

The statement that it's the literal devil.

[glass plume]

What do you mean?

You mean characters like Joyboy, God of War and Nika would look weird because they're ancient?

[mossy marsh]

hi

[digital spear]

Wait is he shirtless?

[glass plume]

Yeah?

[digital spear]

Like in the actual panel I mean

[glass plume]

Yes.

[digital spear]

I didnt notice

[glass plume]

You see the tiny dots on him.

[digital spear]

True

Now I really like the design

[glass plume]

[alpine trench]

Tiny dots are the tattoos

[digital spear]

I wonder if those tattoos are poneglyph related

He looks like a walking mural

[dense haven]

its a circuit

[cold steppe]

Eyes

[digital spear]

Forget Kaido is a Poneglyph. Imu is a Poneglyph

[glass plume]

At least they've got the age for it.

[rapid ridge]

What's the leading theory about imu's blood coughing?

[cold steppe]

Close to the sea

[rapid ridge]

Isn't the red line in the middle.oft he sea?

[cold steppe]

It's high up

[digital spear]

He did some sacrifice when arriving and is in a devil form now

[rapid ridge]

Isn't that elbaph village also high up?

[digital spear]

The Red Line is the highest point on the earth other than sky islands

I dont think the sea fucks up Imu tho because doesnt he want the sea levels to rise?

[rapid ridge]

How do we know that?

[dense pike]

Pneumonia 💔

[digital spear]

Educated guess

[glass plume]

Hmm..

[rapid ridge]

I don't think it's higher than the Adam tree on elbaph

[spice python]

It might be linked to CDs wearing bubble helmets (impure air?)

[rapid ridge]

Might be, but then why wouldn't he have a respitator?

[glass plume]

I think that's just bigotry, we've seen Celestial Dragons who don't wear them.

[digital spear]

Oh no I think the top of the adam tree is in the sky islands too but theyre in the middle of the tree

Sommers doesnt wear a bubble helmet. Hes so kind ❤️

[spice python]

Yeah but maybe in the past there was a legit reason to wear them (like the whole atmosphere was poisoned), and over time the air became breathable but some CDs continue to wear them as a status symbol

[dense pike]

i think its more that that fashion was originally done in honor of Imu, but as Imu became more and more secluded, the reasons for those helmets became more and more forgotten, so now they think theyre allergic to lower air, when in reality they arent

[glass plume]

That would be interesting.

[spice python]

Eh it's a stretch

[spice python]

Yeah this

[dense pike]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[rapid ridge]

Couldn't it be that Imu nerdona is somehow bound to mary g?

[spice python]

Or do they wear them cuz they came from space

[glass plume]

Could be, and going outside of it breaks that bond.

Hence the coughing blood symbolizing breaking a cruse or removing spiritual suppression.

[rapid ridge]

He has the power to bend someone's will with a tattoo, maybe Mary g is the place that makes it possible to do so without fatigue

[dense pike]

that too
Or possibly; what if the holy land is also linked to him?
like if he leaves the holy land, the ones with immortality become temporarily mummified

[rapid ridge]

Something like a central command centre

[glass plume]

It's interestin as to why the elders were so terrified of the mere idea of Imu leaving them.

[rapid ridge]

If that was the case I think the gorodorks would be far more against his decision

[knotty root]

probsbly scared of the fact that imu might die

If imu dies they die aswell, except for garling probably

[glass plume]

It doesn't feel like that's in their character, given they already believe in the great one more than anyone else.

[rapid ridge]

The fact he is a secret might also play a role into this

[dense pike]

yeah, surely some of that fear was towards what would happen to them right?
could be that theyre just afraid Imu would lose like they did to the strawhats
cus if imu dies, they die too

well they didnt lose

except Mars

Luffy Bonney Franky and Sanji def beat Mars

[dense pike]

fair

[glass plume]

Could be, but I find it weird if they'd doubt in Imu like that given all the prior interactions it seems like they believe in Imu more than anyone when it comes to things, they even called Imu the creator or whatever.

The creator part makes sense now given Imu founded the World Government.

[dense pike]

Yeah true

[rapid ridge]

I just think that they want to uphold the status quo, which is a fake oligarchy without anyone superior

If the world find out that Imu exists the status quo crumbles

All they ever done was upholding the status quo passively

[glass plume]

That could be it.

[dense pike]

Imagine Imu has a gag where he pretends not to be the King of the World
"Who are you?"
"Mu is… a mercenary for the Holy Land… uh… yo "

[knotty root]

Imu seems to get some sort of debuff when leaving the holy lad for whatever reason. That is why they're worrying that much in the first place.

Imu would likely have a much higher chance to die there then he would be in mariejois

[rapid ridge]

And then acts like the posh bitch that he is on the first occasion

[glass plume]

It's so weird.

[knotty root]

The guy was screaming when transforming yk

[rapid ridge]

Only to go back to "uwu, sowwy"

[glass plume]

I think was part of the transformation, like a prelude to it.

[dense pike]

I would love that
hes as bad at lying as Luffy is

[glass plume]

Coughing up blood could trigger their transformation, similair to another series...

Where they have to go through something painful to trigger their transformation.

[rapid ridge]

That'd be funny af

I'm still convinced that it's a zoan transformation

Model devil

[heady smelt]

I'd agree with you

[glass plume]

It's odd then that we didn't get a proper devil fruit name and model for it.

Just "The Devil's Fruit"

[rapid ridge]

Some say it might be e cause it's the "first devil fruit"

[glass plume]

It should've been something like... Mazoku Mazoku No Mi Model: Satan idk.

[dense pike]

"I am St. Ner- uh… Nero Nero Nimu "
"St. Nerona Imu? From the history books? "
"NO! "

[glass plume]

Could be..

[heady smelt]

At least we know there's a fruit

[glass plume]

Tekking said that he believes that maybe they could pull different fruit powers from the grimoire they wield.

I like the idea that they can wield essentialy every fruit.

All the fruits are descendants of this fruit or whatever.

[rapid ridge]

What grimoire?

[dense pike]

TEKKING STOLE MY THEORY
-# not actually, but still, pretty close to what i said

[glass plume]

The one they had when they posessed Gunko.

[worthy lagoon]

what do you guys think is the abyss

[rapid ridge]

Oh the book

[glass plume]

Yes, just like this.

[rapid ridge]

I think it's just a book ngl

[glass plume]

Really?

[dense pike]

Mont D'or upscale

[rapid ridge]

Yea

[dense pike]

hes gonna get all the recognition

[rapid ridge]

Not a chekov's book, let's say

[glass plume]

I think it's more than just a book.

[rapid ridge]

Oh wait

That book, lmao

[glass plume]

Were you thinking about the one Ivankov had, lol?

[knotty root]

Having a book that can pull up any kind of devil fruit's ability is too damn broken. Blackbeard himself already has 2 of the most strongest devil fruits of their type. While it's obviously not confirmed that imu can use 2 fruits at the same time (if that were the case), the combo attack potential is too crazy to be realistic for a fight

[rapid ridge]

No, I imagined Imu holding a book in the flower room

[dense pike]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-or-low-iq-call-it-rage-bait-ragebait-low-iq-call-it-gif-11418983585207187263

[rapid ridge]

I am in dire need of a reread

[dense pike]

-# not low iq but i couldnt find one that was "bait or alzheimers"

[rapid ridge]

Icl

[glass plume]

I think it's reasonable given that they're the king of the world, they're the catalyst to why history has been shaped as it has.

The mural already hints that the world will go against Imu.

So, every devil fruit...

Against the devil.

[heady smelt]

Posted 10 years ago, and it makes perfect sense

[knotty root]

Wouldn't it be kind of mid to watch someone who has the power of the gura gura no mi and defeat them only to watch another fight with someone else who has the gura gura no mi and defeat them aswell?

[heady smelt]

??? my post has been deleted? why ?

[rapid ridge]

Anti spoiler rule

Ig

[glass plume]

I don't know what you mean with this.

[heady smelt]

What?????????????????????????????? but?

[glass plume]

Oh i forgot, the guns and daggers literally comes from the book.

[rapid ridge]

Imagine the post is actually true

Wouldn't that be spoiling

[dense pike]

And then people will go
"but why would Imu make devil fruits? it goes against his goals"
as if its out of character for a devil
to grant peoples desires
through forbidden fruits
at a seemingly benign- but actually grave cost
Like some sort of faustian deal

[heady smelt]

Dang, but it's something many people know already, it's more a theory to begin with, why not discussing it? 😭

[glass plume]

It's so fitting.

[worthy lagoon]

when was this

am i high

[glass plume]

When they went against Broggy and domi reversed him.

[heady smelt]

I'm disappointed

[worthy lagoon]

i have zero recollection of a book bro tf

[dense pike]

exactly, glad you agree
heres my theory on why btw
-# (he tricked the original AK dwellers into becoming anchors so theyd be doomed when the sea rose)

[heady smelt]

@rapid ridge Can it be discussed in #manga-theories ???

[glass plume]

COOOOOOOOK

[rapid ridge]

I'd message mohdoo about it tbh

[dense pike]

thank you

[worthy lagoon]

genuis

[spice python]

Oh like Sauron's rings

[heady smelt]

Tbf it has already been posted here in the past and it made no issue at the time

[dense pike]

oh yeah kinda like that same level of trickery yeah

[heady smelt]

Or maybe it should have its own channel Idk

[knotty root]

Your hypothetical suggests that imu would be able to use any fruit with his book correct? If so what would you think the reception would be if imu used the same fruit as blackbeard's when we fight him. If it were other characters besides luffy that would fight him with this ability I wouldn't complain, but the possibility of luffy needing to fight 2 people with the power of the gura-gura no mi can get repetitive and boring, as ridiculous as it might sound's it's not impossible. There's a reason why someone people still suffer from dragon fatigue

[rapid ridge]

Weeell, I hadn't seen it

[dense pike]

thank you

[rapid ridge]

I really like this

[rapid ridge]

I'm pretty sure there's a pp joke there

[glass plume]

I don't think he'd use the same fruits as Blackbeard, we'd just have the knowledge of they could but really there are so many other fruits which they could use instead, it's not really an issue.

[rapid ridge]

Oda is known for them

[knotty root]

It's hard to see for the final villain that has so much on their arsenal to not just use their trump cards, especially when it is as blatantly spelled out like this

[spice python]

You know who else is named after a bird? Jack Sparrow! Coincidence I think not

[glass plume]

Please don't start it.

[worthy lagoon]

hahha-

[dense pike]

Thank you
im glad you like it

[spice python]

Wakainu

[golden jacinth]

Obv bb

[worthy lagoon]

let us delete the message

[glass plume]

I mean Imu would probably just change between fruits to fit the scene, like maybe they'd use the warp fruit if they need to close the distance then switch it up with the diamond fruit for a punch and then maybe stab them with the devil's tail or unleash a beam like the light fruit.

There's a lot of fruits that could be used, i don't think they'd be a one trick pony if they had all the fruits in their arsenal.

[worthy lagoon]

800 year old asw they have tons of expeirence iwth it

[dense haven]

I still dont get why people think imu is overdone as character design

[rapid ridge]

I'm strongly against this

I hate copycats

[dense haven]

hes supposed to be the king of the world being extra comes with it

[rapid ridge]

In media

[worthy lagoon]

what if the devils fruit is not all the powers but specific powers of the devil itself

[knotty root]

Honestly js 1 pebble of sea stone and imu is just wiped

[worthy lagoon]

so some weird devil stuff

[glass plume]

I mean we've already seen Imu teleport, change the trees and homes into nightmare homies etc.

[prisma idol]

What is this about?

[rapid ridge]

I think it's the drums of depression

[glass plume]

Imu having every fruit in their arsenal.

[dense haven]

the copy cats are the devil fruits cos imu is the original

[rapid ridge]

In contrast to luffy's drums of liberation

[dense haven]

also dont forget he pulled up a gun

[worthy lagoon]

drums of opression

[dense haven]

imu with a gun is peak

[glass plume]

Could be, but they're extremely similair to for example Van Augers warp fruit and the Big Mom fruit.

[glass plume]

100%

[prisma idol]

Imu used a magic circle the abyss for teleportation, this is not fruit related, The trees and homes were pretty much DR'd, by Imu putting demons in the objects by his mere presence. Those arent having the same abilites

[rapid ridge]

I disagree based on the fact that I dislike copycat

:(

[glass plume]

No, I mean when they teleported to Usopp.

And then caused Usopp to explode himself.

[prisma idol]

That was just a speed blitz...

[glass plume]

That's possible too.

[rapid ridge]

Oh yeah, wasn't it Junko that just came into his face?

[knotty root]

Gunko Just really went

https://tenor.com/view/xenoverse-goku-super-saiyan-angry-dbz-gif-1416275111944307575

[dense pike]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-you-what-huh-gif-19676334

[rapid ridge]

Trash speak for trash character

[rapid ridge]

That's lucky roux's signature move

[dense haven]

yall liked the chapter?

[rapid ridge]

Very much

Especially because I avoid the spoilers of how Imu looked like

[dense pike]

yes
i always love getting the WG perspective

[dense pike]

Same. I saw the one hint that was the Dream Face Reveal gif and I knew to avoid spoilers the rest of that week

that was the perfect amount of anticipation for me

[rapid ridge]

I had to watch over chat tho

[worthy lagoon]

tt feed cooked me

[rapid ridge]

(but I didn't after the raws dropped, but shh don't tell anyone)

[rapid ridge]

Your fault for using tt (whatever that is)

[worthy lagoon]

tiktok

[glass plume]

What was this by the way.

[rapid ridge]

Onigashima

[glass plume]

On Punk Hazard?

[dense pike]

twitter told me that "fans are discussing Imu being a horned prince" and then i accidentally saw a split second of a fan rendition in spoilers, and thought i just got spoiled on the design
but then the actual design looked nothing like it so it still exceeded my expectations

[dense pike]

Who's Who spying
-# dont ask why he has his onigashima hat atp

[glass plume]

Ai slop designs were flooding the place.

[knotty root]

There's a theory that suggests vegapunk was trying to clown ancient giants

[glass plume]

That's interesting.

[knotty root]

their saying thsu is where kaido comes from

[dense pike]

Ahhh i see

[knotty root]

The theory states that the oni race are failed creation of ancient giants

[rapid ridge]

He was like "lmao look at this tall horned dorks"

[dense pike]

my theory is Kaido just wanted to be different

[glass plume]

Is the oni race an official thing?

[dense pike]

ehhh, not really
it could be read more like Kaido thinks of himself (and by proxy Yamato) as "monsters" for their strength

[knotty root]

The theory also said that this is the reason why the numbers are ancient giants. Since kaido was a failed experiment of an ancient giants it would make sense for him trying to recreate them

[dense pike]

Dorry and Brogy calls themselves onis too for example

thats their epithets

oni often gets translated to ogre

[knotty root]

Sounds like some shenanigans he'd do in his early years

[glass plume]

Yeah, i thought that the oni race was just a fan concensus thing.

[dense pike]

yeah exactly. Like a coping mechanism

[knotty root]

Tbf it really isn't something made by fans

Kaido Just called himself and yamato oni's and we've never got an extension of waht he meant

[glass plume]

I forgot all about the numbers, but that's right they did look devilish.

[dense pike]

he was treated like a weapon
as a creature to sick on people
not an actual human
he was a monster
so he thinks he is one
its like if Chooper always embraced "being a monster"

maybe the people of vodka kingdom called him an oni cus his silhouette looked like a mythical oni creature, sort of like if Chopper called himself an abominable snowman like the villagers thought he was

[frail cradle]

stop the AI slop

[dense pike]

Slacktivism 😭

[frail cradle]

or else riot

[rapid ridge]

Neologism learned

Thanks zest

[dense pike]

oh, would "oni" be an example of a neologism if the perspective i gave earlier is correct? 👀

awesome 😼

[dense pike]

youre welcome 😼

oh wait you meant slacktivism

ahhhhh

[rapid ridge]

No you citrus I ment slacktivism

[rapid ridge]

Yeah

[dense pike]

sorry, i was too locked in to the oni reflection because it finally gave me a better understanding of Kaido as a character

[rapid ridge]

Fair

[glass plume]

I'm gonna make me a steak.

[dense pike]

btw, while i have you here, wanna see a meme i made?

[dense pike]

enjoy!

[rapid ridge]

Sure

[glass plume]

Thanks

[dense pike]

References politics ig, but mostly for the pun and structural similarity, not any political commentary

[rapid ridge]

😭

[dense pike]

You gotta admit Ronald Regen is a great pun name for the "leader or the regen merchants"

[rapid ridge]

I admit

Very good joke

[dense pike]

thank you Jay liked it too

-# i dont agree with every take he has, but his joy is very infectious, so making him laugh that hard feels good

[glass plume]

How the hell does he pronounce regen.

RAGEN!

[dense pike]

Tbf, i think he just assumed I accidentally misspelled Raegan 😭 he didnt quite get that it was a pun

[glass plume]

Oh, lol

[dense pike]

if he got the pun, he mightve died laughing considering how much he loved it despite that tho

[glass plume]

It was very funny, I agree with him that we need more of these kind of memes instead of just slander and powerscaling.

[dense pike]

ikr? I put so many layers into it
we need more of that sometimes

[glass plume]

Good job!

[dense pike]

thank you 😌 the glaze has really helped my own self-confidence

-# and i think ive handled it well without becoming full of myself 👀 i hope so at least

[small ember]

Best we can do is God Usopp and Con D. Oriano

[rose rune]

Wait, I just realized this is more relevant than ever now with all the people yelling for a straw hat death

[digital spear]

Wait he saw your meme?

[digital spear]

This is what I was looking for the other day

[dense pike]

Yes! In the stream you can see part of my name at the end when he clicks off
-# hard to see in this version tho cus i had to compress it to 9MB

[digital spear]

W

[dense pike]

thank you

[digital spear]

I watched Jay glaze the meme the whole video and then saw that you made the meme in the end that was crazy

[ornate tartan]

wtf

freshy made that😂😂😂

tough🔥🔥

[dense pike]

I was so happy! Especially when he called it witty
I actually made and submitted that meme after he had already started the stream, so im lucky he actually reacted to it
i had the stream on muted while i was doing other things just in case he saw it, and then imagine my shock when i looked over and saw it on screen

[dense pike]

THANKS TWIN!! 😼

[grand flower]

No chapter this week but we got new invincible

I’ll accept it

[glass plume]

In all of One Piece what's the most interesting theory?

[dense haven]

crocomom

[mighty roost]

one piece

[grand flower]

The kuja prove Sanji is extraterrestrial in origin

[celest mauve]

like the most accepted theory? or truly most deep-dive theory? the answer to the former is probably the red line's destruction leading to the all blue

[glass plume]

No, just the theory you find most interesting.

[glass plume]

[grand flower]

shimon has really good theories

[rose rune]

I can't think of a single theory

[grand flower]

i like YC's theory that shiki is training kid and shiki's son killer

[grand flower]

crazy shit right

[glass plume]

Shiki's son being Killer would check out, i won't lie.

[grand flower]

Shiki and a third-eye had shiki's son killer

[rose rune]

My brain is somehow programmed to erase most theories I hear until it's relevant

[celest mauve]

yeah I don't really know then, maybe a theory I came across about nami being able to wield uranus but I don't remember the specifics

[grand flower]

nami being able to wield my WHAT

[grand flower]

truly spoiler free experience, you gotta respect it

[rose rune]

even my own theories get erased until they get brought up. Like when Imu pulled out a gun, and harald called shirahoshi shaggy

"Oh yeah. I remember saying that shit"

Then I search my own message history

[grand flower]

imu pulling out a gun is such a funny image

[ornate tartan]

Kaido was a poneglyph

[grand flower]

it reminds me of that meme

[ornate tartan]

always wondered how they came up w that

[grand flower]

"the more complex a power system is, the funnier it is when a character pulls out a gun"

[rose rune]

Because he's built different

[grand flower]

yeah at the time, ponegliffs and sea prism were the only things we knew were indestructible

and all the people calling kaido a "thing"

[rose rune]

Yeah. My theory was that Imu didn't have a devil fruit, and was a gunslinger

[grand flower]

that would be really funny, oda should have did that

"nice Haki, here's my modern day sniper rifle"

[rose rune]

"Have a taste of my glock"

Then he aims sideways like a gangsta

Actually, that reminds me of that shitty nintendo wii fps game where you could do that

[dense haven]

I stg if imu does use guns again elbaf is the worst arc ever

[sturdy steeple]

Ben Beckman sweep

[warm sierra]

I really thought Oda wrote himself into a corner with Kaido being like invincible but then the solution was to just punch him really hard regardless

[red lagoon]

I love it😭😭

[warm sierra]

In retrospect why did they do all of that mother carmel picture stuff with BM anyways they should have just told Luffy to beat her

[dense haven]

https://klipy.com/gifs/imu-sama-imu-one-piece

[rose rune]

But what if he dual wields pistols and does the movie spin while shooting?

https://tenor.com/view/harley-quinn-the-suicide-squad-gun-rotation-gif-gif-20872494

[grand flower]

Peak

[dark nymph]

🪦 Here lies Imu Baddie concept 🪦

[grand flower]

Imu still a baddie you ask me

[red lagoon]

Why u don’t like the guns

Until I see imu human form that nigga a women too me

[latent hamlet]

...not counting the recent chapter?

[red lagoon]

This not imu base form tho

They transformed when they came here

Until I see them not transformed

I’ll always believe in baddiemu

[rapid ridge]

Mass delusion still strong

[thin quest]

Twinkmu

[glacial bear]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-vrchat-vr-emperor-of-vrchat-marshall-d-teach-gif-19995328

[grand flower]

Lmaooo WHAT

[stray prism]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-dadan-and-garp-dadan-one-piece-garp-monkey-d-garp-gif-16067177027207188332

[echo lake]

imu is hella handsome

[final trench]

Boa did not die for this

[royal orchid]

noticing something that happened to Blackbeard in this image as well

[tough igloo]

Dadan hearing Garp got captured by pirates … “ that’s what he gets “

[proud pivot]

My mannnnn

[runic dock]

Wait I should crop that more lol

[glass plume]

Damn.

[glass plume]

[final trench]

Hmmm

Wonder if any gems are gonna be dropped in the remake

[celest socket]

can't wait to watch east blue yet again

[frail kindle]

Why do people listen to sandman

[keen quiver]

Soon

Been saying this for 2 years

😭

[dapper tree]

He's insane

[tough igloo]

just whitewashing .. that’s about it lol

it’s about to be 2 whitebeards in WIT.. there is no more Blackbeard

[final trench]

BB’s a villain tho so he might keep his melanin

[gloomy tree]

I mean he is just translating a message from Netflix

[tough igloo]

that’s only with Toei sadly lol

WIT taking it a step further than even Toei did

[keen quiver]

I mean so far he looks the same

[rose rune]

I wonder what he sounds like, what he looks like... I bet he has kind eyes

[ornate tartan]

😭😭😭🔥🔥

[echo lake]

Guys the Gorosei have the abyssal mark right?

[ornate tartan]

yeah they should

the highest tier as well

[mortal yarrow]

People online saying they think Blackbeard sneaking Imu when he returns to his throne room is a good idea for the story? Oh my gooood, bruh.

[grand flower]

Sure why not

We’ve spent more time with Teach

Losing Imu to Teach wouldn’t be bad, depending on timing

[mortal yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[thick mango]

My default assumption is bb does a marineford 2, shows up at the end for an easy win and steals the best power there

[grand flower]

Now we also know Imu has history with the Davy, Teach’s people

[pulsar path]

I really don't like teach wants Imu power plus I get the feeling it's got huge negatives as well

Maybe I'm wrong tho

[mortal yarrow]

Killing Joy Boy’s nemesis for hype and plot twists right after a face reveal and (supposedly) being weakened enough by his first fight to be forced home? Durrrh, good idea!!

[grand flower]

He’s also Davy Jones’ nemesis

[thick mango]

Oh I don't think he will do that in elbaf

[pulsar path]

Tbh I think shanks is showing up but I'm not saying it's my first choice

[mortal yarrow]

That’s what the people want, apparently.

They want it to happen now. This arc. Elbaf.

[thick mango]

I think that will happen but eventually not now

[grand flower]

If it does happen now it’s not that we wouldn’t necessarily have time for Imu later

Look at Whitebeard

Whitebeard was only “active” in one present day arc

[mortal yarrow]

I don’t think it would happen ever, because Oda isn’t THAT bad of a writer.

[grand flower]

He left a major impression, then Oda kept showing him in flashbacks

[thick mango]

I guess I disagree it would be bad. I prefer teach to imu by a lot

[grand flower]

Theoretically he could do something similar with Imu

[runic dock]

The Popeyes one piece collab might just fix the economy

[grand flower]

It’s not impossible to showcase Imu in the same arc he’s defeated in

[mortal yarrow]

“The main antagonist should only be alive for one arc and then ‘leave an impression.’” Thank GOD you guys don’t write One Piece.

[grand flower]

I’d be shocked, I don’t think Oda is doing that with Imu

[grand flower]

Well this would mean Imu isn’t the main antagonist

[runic dock]

In this sense it would just be showcasing a future power set of BB

[glacial bear]

WIT Piece will release once the One Piece is real

[grand flower]

Blackbeard would be

[thick mango]

Don't confuse your personal preferences with good/bad writing lol.
Your argument is circular imu should be the main threat bc he's the main threat

[grand flower]

^^^

[runic dock]

Not the main antagonist in this case

Of the arc yes , of the series , yet to be seen

[grand flower]

Like this isn’t to say imu wont be the main antagonist

[mortal yarrow]

You thinking Imu isn’t the main antagonist is ALSO why I’m glad you don’t write One Piece. Yes.

[grand flower]

But Oda can just write it so that it’s clear Blackbeard is the big bad

[grand flower]

Blackbeard is just as good, if not better

[alpine trench]

https://x.com/oval_1ce/status/2040453338618274171?s=20 awesome art

awfull eyes | COMMS OPEN (@oval_1ce)

the one above all #ONEPIECE1179 #IMU

X · Apr 4, 2026, 3:36 PM

i love imu

[grand flower]

Also, like I said

This isn’t to say Imu is or isn’t the main antagonist

This is us saying that if Oda took down imu here, itd mean imu wasn’t the main antagonist after all

[warm sierra]

its cool art but do people know that coughing up blood isnt like a permanent feature of them

[alpine trench]

its a nice detail

since we saw it last chapter

[warm sierra]

hes not a vampire

hes just having a rough one

[mortal yarrow]

They’re both good for different reasons, and one or the other prematurely killing the other as if it should be a battle for the spotlight at the very end of the story STINKS!

[mortal yarrow]

It happening would also mean Oda can’t write for shit, which is why it isn’t happening

[grand flower]

I don’t see why. Its looking like a three way battle across fate between Joy boy, Davy, and Imu

[alpine trench]

ok but him having blood coming out of his mouth is not him being a vampire, they drew it in the image of the panel

[warm sierra]

yes Im saying people often draw vampires like this bc drinking blood is something they often do

[runic dock]

I’m sure people know that , it’s just cool to include it cause it’s the only fucking panel we got for now lol

[grand flower]

It really wouldn’t because Blackbeard is already a great final villain for the story

[thick mango]

Is mihawk some kinda vampire? Dracule seems like such a deliberate choice

[rose rune]

So Imu is a vampire now

[warm sierra]

hes drinking his own blood is he stupid

[grand flower]

I do think making a black blade has made him akin to being undead

[alpine trench]

meh

[rose rune]

It's rich in iron

[runic dock]

Huh

[mortal yarrow]

Blackbeard’s arc ends before the final war arc. They will
dismantle that smaller kingdom before moving on to what is and always been the greater threat in the story, which is the most world governmentz

[digital spear]

Its always the case when someone new introduced they focus on 1 detail that the character might never do again

Like when Rocks pointed with 2 fingers or Ulti pointed at somebody this affected their fanart despite them never doing that again after their 1. Panel

[red lagoon]

Bb been hyped way before imu

I think bb the final boss

[rose rune]

I'm sorry. I'll stop

[digital spear]

Pregbeard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temu

[red lagoon]

We deadass bout see imu fight fr before we see bb fight fr

[alpine trench]

the same fucking idiotic discussion about who the final antag is ad infinitum

[red lagoon]

Damn u a grumpy ass nigga

[alpine trench]

i'm really excited for next chapter

[grand flower]

Or, the pirate story ends with the two biggest pirates fighting over the pirate treasure it’s all named after

It’s very possible that Imu is deposed and the story ends with Luffy and Blackbeard fighting over what the final world would look like

[runic dock]

It’s fair to think so

[ornate tartan]

it’s been going on for an entire week now

[digital spear]

Its genuinely been going on for 5 years

[ornate tartan]

non stop lol

[grand flower]

It’s also possible it’s just a triple threat

[leaden rivet]

As we near the end it’ll get much worse every chapter

[thick mango]

Imu is the tyranny of the present bb is the threat that the future could be just as bad if they're not careful. He fills power vacuums in a bad way like we see after wb goes down

[ornate tartan]

yeah but it’s been ignited more after the recent chapter

[warm sierra]

the wisest choice is always to just let Oda cook

[grand flower]

Davy is just as tied to Imu as Joy Boy is

[rose rune]

Wapol eats bb and imu to combine with them??

[runic dock]

Yeah , being king of the world and all

[leaden rivet]

They both have great potential to be great villains. I think it’s fine if they all die together.

[digital spear]

I just hope both are in the finale and I dont think thats impossible

None of that "first one will fall 100 chapters before the series ends" bullshit

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard can’t lose to Luffy without fighting Imu first

[thick mango]

To me the point of bb is to say it's not enough to just topple the greatest power in the world and what comes next will automatically be good. Imus defeat alone doesn't guarantee a good future

[grave crypt]

Its a triple threat ladder match for the one piece

[mortal yarrow]

And I could just as easily argue that Blackbeard as we know him wouldn’t exist in a world not controlled by Imu.

[leaden rivet]

Blackbeard after all has more beef with Imu than Luffy

[grand flower]

Even with my adamance that the big bad is Blackbeard I think it’s pretty clear both will fall in the same arc

[digital spear]

W

[red lagoon]

Probably

Probably will be same arc but imo imu deffo falling first

[pulsar path]

Or Luffy changes BB or some anime shit

[thick mango]

I don't think that's relevant. This isn't like a responsibility thing about who deserves blame it's about what the future is gonna look like

[pulsar path]

🤣😭

[leaden rivet]

Luffy has more beef with Blackbeard than Imu, Blackbeard has more beef with Imu than Luffy, Imu has beef with everyone. It all works out doesn’t it

[grave crypt]

Bb is not getting changed in any universe

[leaden rivet]

No need to split hairs

[compact anchor]

Hey, do we have the official colors of Imu?

[pulsar path]

Not yet

[thick mango]

No

[compact anchor]

Damn 💔

[mortal yarrow]

Making the entire world fight against an emperor that half of them have no personal grudge against, like they do the World Government, for hype twist moments and aura or something like that, idk. 🔥 🔥 🔥

[pulsar path]

I mean idk it depends on how you look at the prophecy and who represents who

[grand flower]

That’s true, which is why Imu falling before Blackbeard has potential.

Theres dramatic irony in Imu being undone because the world he created just led to Davy and Joy Boy returning

[leaden rivet]

To even things out we just need Imu to kill someone important to Luffy and then the scales are balanced

[brittle basin]

One Piece4

[grand flower]

Are you some kind of child

[glass plume]

Are we back to this. 😭

[mortal yarrow]

Are you?

[ornate tartan]

unfortunately

[brittle basin]

hype and aura>compelling storytelling

[rose rune]

I hope they kill Imu. Blackbeard turns to luffy, a soft smile can be seen on his face. "Thank you luffy" he says, and gives him a hug

[brittle basin]

and a kiss

[rose rune]

The end

[grand flower]

You don’t have to put words in my mouth lol nobody said any of what you said

[warm sierra]

I know vegapunk said things arent always black and white but I really dont want BB or Imu to be redeemed

[thick mango]

Bb and luffy woulda been friends in a different universe where he wasn't so evil

[grave crypt]

Then steals his fruit

[grand flower]

They can’t be

[grave crypt]

Bb is pk, the end

[digital spear]

#also-manga message

[mortal yarrow]

I didn’t say you said that, but would that not be a side effect of what you’re asking for?

[glass plume]

Marshall D. Monkey D. Leach is the next protagonist
Teach and Luffy's love child.

[grand flower]

Sympathetic backstory isn’t redemption

[pulsar path]

BB only bad factor is he has slaves

[leaden rivet]

The entire world….its really just Luffy’s allies. And Luffy’s allies are completely mixed between Blackbeard and Imu which is why Oda’s set up is so perfect here.

The revolutionary army hates Imu but Blackbeard also attacked and ransacked their base. And Sabo would also hate that Blackbeard had Ace killed.

The red hair pirates hate Imu but they also have major beef with Blackbeard as well

[pulsar path]

I feel nothing else really makes him need redemption

[compact anchor]

Tbh i think that imu is gonna wipe the floor with luffy and loki, that will take a toll on his body and go back, then luffy trains to master his df with loki since time in elbaf might be slower than the time outside

[leaden rivet]

Like all these final contestants have beef with each other

[brittle basin]

bb and imu can't be redeemed. but my goda can still redeem charlos

[red lagoon]

Fr sliming out his adopted dad and crew mates was fine

[digital spear]

No thats just how you perceive it

[red lagoon]

[grand flower]

No because Oda can just write that Luffy takes down Blackbeard in the same battle royal where the world is fighting back against imu

[pulsar path]

I mean it's pirates

Mutiny is so common

[warm sierra]

he knowingly let terrible criminals in his crew and doesnt care at all about their debauchery

[leaden rivet]

So either of them work perfectly as the final villain

Or even they can both be the final villain

[pulsar path]

Rhats how oh BB I think got a ship lol

[pulsar path]

He's a pirate you know how many other characters other than Luffy are like this

[glass plume]

Didn't he get his ship from a Marine vessel he stole.

[leaden rivet]

They both have similarly narratively equal setups as villains imo so it’s something we shouldn’t ignore

[red lagoon]

Tbf Luffy did the same

Robin is deadass a criminal

[thick mango]

He brought vasco and Devon to Amazon lily and told them they can do whatever they want when they were done

[glass plume]

Isn't it a reformed Marineship with logs attached.

[red lagoon]

Niggas always forget ts

[ornate tartan]

Imu is still way more evil than BB. The worst things BB has done is child’s play to Imu, just another tuesday. So I can see why people think he would be a better big bad

[grand flower]

This isn’t the very diplomatic take

But while imu is a good final villain

[pulsar path]

In talking about real real black bears lol but he did but than went back to his swords of xebec rafts

[grand flower]

Blackbeard is definitely a better one

[leaden rivet]

Luffy was freeing mfs in impel down he is not innocent lol

[red lagoon]

I think bb a better villain too

[pulsar path]

Pirates gotta pirate and those are technically other pirates

[glass plume]

Ah.

[leaden rivet]

He is for now, but we’ve only just seen Imu’s face. There’s so much more to him, while Blackbeard has gotten more setup so far.

[pulsar path]

Or I guess we can call teach ships the eclips now right?

[leaden rivet]

Things won’t remain the same forever

[thick mango]

That woulda been a scene to rival a cd human hunt.

[grand flower]

Yeah I still don't see Oda catching Imu up in one saga to all the development Teach has had over the story since Drum Kingdom

[red lagoon]

Fr

[glass plume]

At this point, i don't care who the final villain is.
These discussions have made my brain gone numb.

[pulsar path]

Not really I mean teach sure probably could beat a lot of Amazon Lili but idk about the other they all know haki

[red lagoon]

Plus Luffy acc got beef with bb instead of that inherited beef from joyboy

[leaden rivet]

I honestly don’t think these discussions are that bad

[mortal yarrow]

Luffy ignores Imu to duke it out with Blackbeard while the evil demon king is picked limb from limb by a bunch of randoms? Then what would be the point of setting up Imu’s beef with Joy Boy if the reincarnation of him isn’t even very involved in taking him down?

[red lagoon]

We spinning for ace

[grand flower]

Not randoms

Dragon has had plenty of development to take down Imu

[red lagoon]

Luffy can handle imu too

[grand flower]

It can be like Kaido and Big Mom

[alpine trench]

dragon taking down imu now is a joke ngl

[pulsar path]

Y'all ant ready for Imu to try and just have a conversation with Luffy and Loki 😭🤣🤣🤣

[leaden rivet]

You’re looking at things to narrow mindedly love

[red lagoon]

Niggas can do multiple things at once

[thick mango]

If boa goes down they're tearing through Amazon lily like civs

[grand flower]

you're intelligent so I'm willing to explain my reasoning but I don't want to if you're not gonna be earnest about it

[pulsar path]

No only if BB is there

A whole island of haki users

Nah bro

[mortal yarrow]

I was already believing that anything less than Luffy himself, like the Revs, would already be randoms enough, but you pull out Kaido and Big Mom??????

[alpine trench]

i am not in a mood for serious discussion now, i'm tired of this topic

[pulsar path]

And an ex rock pirate present as well

[glass plume]

I think it has to be the successor of Nika or Joyboy since they've been described as Imu's arch-enemies together with Davy Jones.

[leaden rivet]

With how much beef Imu has and his sheer hatred of Luffy at this point I just don’t think it can happen truth be told

[grand flower]

then you should find something else to do instead and leave us be instead of being rude

[alpine trench]

i've seen some semblance of reasoning before and i dont agree with that

[grand flower]

there was no reason for you to take that shot if you're also gonna ignore me defending my take

[leaden rivet]

Imu, Blackbeard and Luffy are just this perfect throuple at this point

Someone send me art of this

[red lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

[glass plume]

I think the outcome is that Luffy and Blackbeard will begrudgingly team up against Imu.

Joyboy and Davy Jones parallel.

[thick mango]

No boa no rayleigh it's a massacre granny nyon isn't doing anything

[pulsar path]

Yeah idk

[leaden rivet]

Hopefully Oda hints this in advance so I can drop the story 🙏

[pulsar path]

I disagree completely

They all know haki

We don't even know if vasco shot knows haki do we?

[glass plume]

I think Oda already kinda has, given Imu's interest is mainly in these two people Joyboy and Davy Jones and we've got their modern counterparts in the story as Luffy and Blackbeard.

[mortal yarrow]

I think Blackbeard and Imu being the main antagonists of their own respective arcs, with Imu being the final antag, makes complete sense, and I think any other idea is just bad.

[glass plume]

Poseidon, Nidhoggr and Vivi are the other 3 but I have no idea what role they'll have if i am honest.

[red lagoon]

Just Knowing haki doesn’t make u stronger than someone who doesn’t have haki

Franky whooped a va

[pulsar path]

I mean it does

[digital spear]

Does that matter if no haki Luffy folded Marigold and Sandersonia

[red lagoon]

Tell that to franky

[pulsar path]

It's not not a strength feat

[leaden rivet]

Luffy was beating people with advanced armament pre time skip lol it absolutely doesn’t

[red lagoon]

Fr

[thick mango]

I think I'm giving them more credit as bbp officers than you are.
But it doesn't even matter. Ignore the ability to achieve the intended outcome, bb's greenlighting the horrible intentions is enough

[red lagoon]

They had adv haki too btw

And they still lost

To pre ts hakiless Luffy

Haki isn’t a insta win condition

[pulsar path]

But I still feel it's like chaos neutral

[grand flower]

Kaido and Big Mom set a precedent that an arc/saga can have to big bads, and one of them can be taken down by people other than Luffy

Dragon and Imu have been developed the exact same way across the story. They are primarily background figures, remaining mysterious and hidden from the audience, and are developed by proxy of the organizations they run. While we wait for Dragon and Imu to be showcased, we are still able to understand things about who they are as people by virtue of the people they have as subordinates, what their organizations stand for, and the effect their organizations have had on the world.

That's in addition to the fact that Dragon's organization exists directly to undo Imu's organization.

[alpine trench]

look bro, i've seen this argument of yours many times so i know what the reasoning for you here is, you dont have to explain shit to me, i'm taking shots at the general state of discourse, you dont have to get offended over this and genuinely, i dont think dragon is gonna take down imu given the state of things now and what luffy being joyboy and BB being the descendant of davy jones and carrier of his will is, dragon is gonna take part in the battle but the buildup between him and imu as opposites and opponents is kinda non existent

[grand flower]

There's also the way Egghead played out

[grand flower]

I truly don't care

[digital spear]

Damn what happened

[pulsar path]

It's hard to use Luffy cus he's has plot armor lmao

But

[red lagoon]

He acc didn’t read it cause he typed this fast af😂😂😂

[pulsar path]

Has the wg ever invade Amazon Lili?

[grand flower]

Throwing disrespect out and then going "well i'm not gonna actually listen to you explain how it's a rational take" is some weak shit

[ornate tartan]

@glacial bear Five Elder Stars ⭐️

[runic dock]

Wha do you think will happen next chapter?

[grand flower]

Not to be rude myself but I was being genuine

[digital spear]

BB pirates always have negative plot armor too they always make it

[grand flower]

Go find something else to do

Leave us alone

[leaden rivet]

Imu will aura farm

[red lagoon]

Talk yo shit twin

[thick mango]

The serial killer and the heavily implied assaulter but we can't go there directly cause it's one piece?

[glass plume]

Imu will have their "Madara moment"

[mortal yarrow]

Wait, I’m sorry. My bad. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying Kaido and Big Mom should take down Imu.

[pulsar path]

True but that's kinda why I'm saying if teach wasn't at Amazon Lili I think both vasco and I forget who else was there would lose to the amazonians

[red lagoon]

Yo

Who said I’m dick riding

Man fuck you niggas

[mortal yarrow]

I still don’t agree, though. Dragon taking down Imu would also stink.

[red lagoon]

Idk

[rapid ridge]

[digital spear]

I kinda forgot what the situation was but yeah Vasco and Devon got stoned by Boa Hancock

[red lagoon]

The wg meant to be the revs main OPPs

But nika is also imus main opp

[runic dock]

Highly likely , I wanna see him step on Usopp’s head personally , as an Usopp fan

Like zoro in skypeia

But it’s Usopp

[glass plume]

I could see that.

[thick mango]

This just gives bb even more responsibility for the horrific outcomes that would have ensued

[glass plume]

Though Usopp is already out for the count right now.

[digital spear]

^

Aurafarm on someone else

[pulsar path]

Ahh I get you but I also think like even tho teach told them to go wild it's easy to assume that's happen before but maybe not? Maybe he's reigning them in kinda how I felt rocks did where he kidna took the most dangerous people and put then under his wing but rocks ether changes or became more kidna hearted / good person / I think in the end but BB is much more savage that is true

[runic dock]

Fuck him up some more he can take it

[alpine trench]

you dont have to engage with what i'm saying and carry on with your discussion, dont come at me for saying shit i want to say, you have no right to ask me to stop, do your thing and stop caring about what i'm saying on this topic then, i truly dont give a shit what you think on this topic sure, but i dont give a shit what others discussing this topic think either, so its a general thing, carry on your thing and dont get offended over general jokes and shots

[glass plume]

Woldn't it be even more crazy if he does this to Luffy.

[red lagoon]

Next time ussop is stood up he is going to pick up ragnir trust and believe

[runic dock]

Yea

[digital spear]

Hype

[grand flower]

Not when you look at Dragon's relationship with the WG compared to Luffy's throughout the series

Lemme ask you this

[leaden rivet]

Thought we left Usopp with Ragnir in 2025 🙏

[pulsar path]

Uspp has the most hp of any straw hat

[grand flower]

Of every WG affiliated nation Luffy has helped, how many left the WG as a result?

[red lagoon]

FUCKKKKKKK no

[alpine trench]

imu fucks everyone up

[grand flower]

You took a shot at something I said

[pulsar path]

I dead ass think Imu walks up and sits down to talk to them 🤣

[alpine trench]

no i didnt

[runic dock]

Somehow lmao

[alpine trench]

i didnt even see you saying shit about dragon

[grand flower]

lol okay must have been coincidence

[thick mango]

For me this is a very bad panel for bb it doesn't seem like he's reigning them in at all

[glass plume]

I hope that Imu blitzes them.

[runic dock]

Highly likely, tho I wanna see how nidhogg fairs against him

[glass plume]

Since the assumed time limit.

[mortal yarrow]

Dragon and the revs can fight the greater WG because of their grudge against it, but you are not gonna tell me he should take down Imu instead of the character who’s being explicitly set up by the story to be the reincarnation of Imu’s greatest foe.

[rapid ridge]

They keeping tabs

[alpine trench]

since luffy and loki will have to recover faster to take on imu in the meanwhile

[lofty fern]

I've always thought BB just likes the chaos, but honestly I've always suspected that BB's crew will go the same way as the Rocks crew did.

[alpine trench]

i think loki is fine

[red lagoon]

Wait

[alpine trench]

luffy is the one we have to look out for

[red lagoon]

THERSS NO FOOD LUFFY IS COOOKED

Chopper ur time has come

Emergency food supply

[rapid ridge]

Be already ate

[pulsar path]

At least he ant letting vasco have her lmao but wait a sec...... Weird convo can he take boas fruit while she's alive? I mean tbh also forcing bonnh to be his wife is pretty weird but I guess he did give her a choice it just was an ultimatum

[alpine trench]

loki can just unfreeze shit

[grand flower]

That last part is exactly why I don't think it's gonna be Luffy. The notion of Luffy defeating Imu because it's obligated that he's the one to do it is completely antithetical to Luffy's character.

[lofty fern]

Loki's issue is his wounds and he's just exhausted himself

[alpine trench]

fine relatively compared to luffy

[glass plume]

Maybe Imu will stab Loki in the same spot where Cerberus attacked him.

[grand flower]

Luffy is too self-determined and stubborn to simply fall in line to responsibility

[pulsar path]

I just watched usopp get completely destroyed by kilo girl and dudr was still able to get up and fight

[pulsar path]

Crap I was about to say arlong sister but no she's Aladdin's wife !

[thick mango]

I dunno I kinda hope we get answers on the fruit stealing that's one thing I don't want to remain a mystery

[lofty fern]

I mean, he does feel a responsibility to his crew? Unless you mean something else?

[brittle basin]

She looooves Aladdin. Praline is funny for what little time we get her

[red lagoon]

Some of u niggas aren’t real

[glass plume]

Who is Aladdin now again?

[red lagoon]

he from the new sun pirates

[runic dock]

Original nidhogg I assume came close to defeating imu that’s why imu hates them , so I wanna see them fight

[pulsar path]

For sure!! I mean tbh I'll take any news on devil fruits I'm kinda worried will know too much about them tho by the time we figure all the stuff out they might lose there " magic" to me

[brittle basin]

I vote with my gut instinct and sometimes I just like a character's design.

[red lagoon]

Jimbei crew before the sh

[lofty fern]

Jimbe's friend

[digital spear]

Luffy doesnt go out of his way to fight the WG if they dont to anything to him but naturally he always comes to head butts with them

[runic dock]

Mu gut instinct eh?

[pulsar path]

And she is another straw hat affiliate not sorta 🤣

[brittle basin]

I can't wait to Lulusia places at random.

[digital spear]

Captain of the Sun Pirates

[glass plume]

Ah.

[mortal yarrow]

Luffy ignores the prophecies and murals and dooms everyone because character consistency. Everyone is dead or miserable, but Luffy remained true to himself, I guess. The end. Bravo, bravo!!

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/c_o_mori/status/2041888706576122156?s=46

こ (@c_O_mori)

久しぶりに☘️

X · Apr 8, 2026, 2:39 PM

[grand flower]

That's because Luffy is their captain, and he wanted to be their captain.

"Luffy you have to defeat Imu because you're Joy Boy" wouldn't work on Luffy, and that leads me to believe that it's gonna be subverted

[pulsar path]

He's is kinda one of the coolest fishmen in the whole series

[grand flower]

Oda's already started laying the seeds for it

[glass plume]

Wasn't that FisherTiger.

[lofty fern]

Does he hate him? He doesn't seem to hold Nidhog to the same level as say Joyboy or Davy

[digital spear]

Fisher Tiger is dead

Then it was Jinbei now Aladin

[glass plume]

I forgot all about him, lol.

[grand flower]

I wish you'd talk like a normal person

[red lagoon]

It doesn’t see like he hates niddhog I think

[digital spear]

DOUBLE ALADDIN

[glass plume]

Cool design I won't lie.

[digital spear]

Another one

[red lagoon]

Like u can tell that nigga hate Davy and he really really hate joyboy

[runic dock]

He definitely does , he’s been tracking the fruit by being suspicious of Elbaf , and when he saw Loki nidhogg he said NIDHOGG!!!! very angrily so yeah

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-another-one-one-gif-5057861

[red lagoon]

Why is it all the exact same pic

[glass plume]

I don't think that Imu hates Nidhoggr to the same degree either.

[pulsar path]

I mean homie was the MVP of whole cake

[brittle basin]

Imu wants Loki's power

[digital spear]

Aladdin army

[glass plume]

They seem to be more interested in Nidhoggr, probably due to Nidhoggr being a valuable opposition against Nika back in the day.

Imu probably knows all about their battles.

[pulsar path]

I think he knows he can't control Nika

[lofty fern]

Oh, I think he'll want to defeat Imu because he'll hate him for something he does. It will become personal for him

[runic dock]

I think he wants to use whoever has the fruit , because he’s definitely pissed at its existence in general

[ornate tartan]

imus arrival was so grand that I forgot about mosa😂

[lofty fern]

Not because of responsiblity

[pulsar path]

Like maybe Nika is always able to break away

[ornate tartan]

i haven’t thought about mosa for weeks

[glass plume]

Nika is the definition of freedom so it only makes sense.

[rapid ridge]

Istg if.loki gets his ass handed to him by imu I'm gonna call him midpig till the ends of time

[glass plume]

Midpig?

[grand flower]

1. Luffy "leaving people to be doomed" wouldn't even be new for Luffy's character. When Nami told Luffy that Water 7 was going to be destroyed by the aqua laguna, his response was "does that mean anything to us?"

When Luffy saved Syrup Village, he said it was only because he didn't want Usopp to get hurt

When Luffy fights Enel, he isn't mad that Enel was attacking Skypeia, he was mad that Enel doing so ruined their trip and made the sky dark

2. None of that BS is gonna come to pass anyway because Imu will still be handled by the Revos

Film Z is non canon

But oda wrote the script so I'm gonna reference it anyway

[pulsar path]

I do think it works for a time but is never permanent but for nidhod maybe they can manipulate them way easier

[grand flower]

When Luffy found out Z was planning to destroy the New World, he didn't care

[rapid ridge]

Niddhog, hog - pig, nidd - mid

[lofty fern]

I think Loki will have to go to FMI to find Mosa only to find BB kidnapped her

[grand flower]

The apocalyptic consequences were literally no concern for him, he just wanted his hat back

oda wrote that

[glass plume]

I don't know, it seems like Imu couldn't domi reversi Loki either... Though that may change now when they're here in their true form.

[digital spear]

I mean bro this is a movie

[glass plume]

Ah, I'd have just gone with Midhoggr.

[digital spear]

Wasnt that Strong World

[red lagoon]

Do u think if they surrendered woulda acc not killed them

[grand flower]

Yeah but Oda supervised it*

Writing was SW, yeah

[mortal yarrow]

Well, I struggle to take this seriously because a lot of this theory is so silly, such as saying that because Luffy is ignorant to the big issue and what he’s destined to accomplish as Nika, he’ll just completely blow off Imu in the final arc to pursue some grudge match with Blackbeard.

[grand flower]

But that's an attitude Luffy has had in the story

[pulsar path]

I should preference this by saying I do think what ever Imu plans to try in person will be stronger like a forced contract but I forgot that was speculation and Imu didn't say anything like that lol

[glass plume]

By obey I imagine that Imu would force a covenant on them.

[mortal yarrow]

And who defeated Z in that movie?

[grand flower]

He'd be okay doing that if he knows there's people who can handle Imu while he handles Blackbeard

[pulsar path]

That's my idea as well

[grand flower]

This is exactly what happened with Kaido and Big Mom

[rose rune]

You and me yc... we love love

[digital spear]

Well even then thats why Luffy will fight Imu for a similar, seemingly smaller, more personal reason, its like that with every villain (or sometimes theyre really just in his way like Katakuri)

[pulsar path]

Okay I gotta say

Luffy says he won't share meat

[grand flower]

That's irrelevant to my point, which is that Luffy being indifferent to widespread destruction is not new to the franchise

[pulsar path]

But dude does lol

[runic dock]

He even shared it this last chapter , he was saying make sure chopper is fed or something

[pulsar path]

Yeah usopp and Loki was like na our frozen food

[grand flower]

Oh yeah I meant to reply to @lofty fern with this as well, but I don't think so. I think the notion of Luffy becoming the new Joy Boy is too close to destiny for a character like Luffy

Luffy is too resistent and defiant to external expectations and responsibility

[mortal yarrow]

But they can’t handle Imu. Everything in the story makes clear that Imu’s only real considerable threat to his reign is Luffy/Joy Boy/Nika.

[digital spear]

Well they already been saying Joyboy beat Kaido in Wano

[lofty fern]

It didn't seem angry to me, more frustration and surprise. I think a lot of people atribute feelings to Imu based on how many exclamation marks they have, but I don't think that's always what it is.

[royal orchid]

who the hell is joyboy

[grand flower]

And Imu overlooking Dragon who does end up that strong will be a satisfying way to bring him down

[runic dock]

This isn’t true , He mentioned Davy jones on the same level of impotence as nika in the last chapter

[grand flower]

It also doesn't have to be a 1 v 1

[runic dock]

And cut up both luffy and bb pictures

[mortal yarrow]

As if any of these characters were a literal devil figure with murals depicting the final battle against them.

[grand flower]

Imu being defeated by Dragon after Imu runs the craziest gauntlet is also satisfying

[runic dock]

They’re equally enraging to him

[mortal yarrow]

No, it would not.

[grand flower]

They set the precedence that there can be two big bads

[glass plume]

A joyous boy.

[pulsar path]

Wait did revs get a panel when Imu was going through his hate list this chapter?

[runic dock]

I think you’re way off base , I was just going over a basic chapter bullet point I don’t wanna argue every little nitpick with you rn

[pulsar path]

It's all about clown boy

[mortal yarrow]

No.

[digital spear]

Hell yeah I pray Imu runs a gauntlet

[grand flower]

yes it would be because Dragon is the figurehead of the common man's main fight against Imu. Dragon has been shouldering every wrong Imu has committed to the world in his entire time as the Revolutionary leader

[pulsar path]

That's kinda sad lmao the biggest force against Imu he don't care

[glass plume]

It will be like that other series.

[grand flower]

Also

Referencing the mural is shooting yourself in the foot

Luffy and Blackbeard are defined by the way they throw a wrench into everything

[lofty fern]

I think it's one of those things why you achieve your destiny because you want to. It all falls into line. It's not that anyone will force Luffy into anything, but he'll do it of his own accord, not because of the prophecy but because he just wants to. His desires and the prophecy will both be fullfilled.

[grand flower]

Blackbeard and Luffy are disruptors

[digital spear]

I know what you mean but I like to how many series this applies

[glass plume]

[grand flower]

Having a mural neatly depicting what's going to happen just tells us, Blackbeard and Luffy are about to ruin all that shit

[royal orchid]

joyboy is the opposite of Imu's opinions and ideals
davy is imu's biggest enemy

I like the theory that the sea weakness is actually Davy Jones' ability but due to the passing down or his will into rocks and BB and whatnot I feel like he's gone

[grand flower]

Remember in Wano when Law said he had two plans

The plan he told Luffy

And the plan for when Luffy disrupts that plan

Blackbeard is such a disruptor, he heard you weren't allowed to eat two DFs and he said yeah fuck that

Luffy and Blackbeard are two bad ass kids that don't listen to shit

[lofty fern]

Cool, just a difference of opinion. It's just a matter of where Imu's concentration might be centered.

[mortal yarrow]

Both are literally disruptors by fate. They straight up both having the big D in their name that indicates them as disruptors!

[digital spear]

Void Century Law made a secret second mural under the first one too

[runic dock]

There could be something to that , since bb can eat two fruits

[grand flower]

And as a result, they cause whatever expectatiosn or standards you have to be deviated from

[runic dock]

Both of them are in front of him now so it’s a moot point

[grand flower]

marineford is a shining example of that

It was supposed to be a war between an Emperor and the navy

Luffy and Blackbeard came in and threw everything out of whack

That's exactly what they're gonna do that mural

[lofty fern]

Unless it's like as some fans think he makes a beeline for Usopp 🤣

[grand flower]

We see it littered all throughout the story in subtle ways

[runic dock]

💀 that should only take half a panel anyway

[grand flower]

Like when the Straw Hats first entered the New World

[digital spear]

Idk why people think Imu has personal beef with Usopp now

[mortal yarrow]

My breakfast is ready. This really isn’t worth arguing. We both fundamentally disagree.

[grand flower]

Smoker predicted EXACTLY which island Luffy was going to choose

[grand flower]

Well that's where you're wrong

The point of this isn't for either of us to get the other to agree

[runic dock]

Not that he does , but it’s widely accepted now that Usopp’s words ragebaited imu into appearing, since he already knew DR wasn’t gonna work on those 2

[mortal yarrow]

I’m not entitled to eating my breakfast…?

[digital spear]

W Shuron hes a born hater

His opponent cant even have breakfast

[mortal yarrow]

This SUCKS! I’m HUNGRY!!

[grand flower]

The point is so that when I dispute what you say, you have to now consider my counterpoints and either reconcile what your thought process to account for that counterpoint, or let it go if you can't

You shouldn't be having any of these discussions with the intent of changing anyone's mind

[digital spear]

You mean on Usopp and Brook?

[royal orchid]

Imu: Every moment in near history hath led up to our encounter. Truly it was inevitable.

Community: Usopp ragebaited imu

[grand flower]

Tehse discussions are so you can sharpen your own critical thinking skills

[runic dock]

No lmao , DR didn’t work on luffy and loki , and imu the says he knew that wasn’t gonna work anyway

So DR not working was not a factor in him appearing forreal

[digital spear]

But how is Usopp related to that

[lofty fern]

It's the whole "ragebait" meme. I honestly don't think Imu even thought twice about what Usopp said. If anything its a coincidence

[brittle basin]

Of course Imu doesn't care what Usopp said.

[grand flower]

What I was getting at here is, even when you have something like Smoker being able to deduce EXACTLY where Luffy is about to be

[digital spear]

Imu was gonna use DR on them anyway wasnt he?

[grand flower]

Luffy throws a wrench into it

[runic dock]

Because DR not working wasn’t a factor in imu appearing here , the only thing that was a factor in that recent point in time was Usopp’s words

[grand flower]

Instead, he went to Punk Hazard

[runic dock]

That’s how

[grand flower]

You can't pin Luffy down or put him in a box

[thick mango]

I would love imu to somehow get a personal grudge against usopp like doffy in dressrosa

[grand flower]

He and Blackbeard ALWAYS have a surprise in store for you

[mortal yarrow]

But how am I to do that when each time you provide a new point, I look at it long and hard, scratch my chin, ponder, and still come to the conclusion that I don’t agree?

[grand flower]

Okay

[royal orchid]

can you imagine if the explanation is that the will of the fruits denied imu
and then we're back to willpower and suddenly you can just conq your way out of anything imu does

[grand flower]

Then don't agree

[mortal yarrow]

Okay. I don’t agree.

[grand flower]

The point is, can you reconcile what you thought with my counter points

If you say "A=B" and I say "A=C," does your thought process hold up

[runic dock]

I think it’s headed that way anyway with zoan wills

[latent hamlet]

"My will is greater than yoursssss"
"The haki or the mental state?"

[digital spear]

I feel like I missed a panel, I thought Imu had to go away because he was frozen in Gunkos body

[grand flower]

That's the only exercise that matters here

[fallen meteor]

philosophy argument going on here

[lofty fern]

I would say that was more likely to what he spent half the chapter talking to the Elders about, not anything Usopp said. It's about the fact that everything is inevitable, so he might as well stop being on the defensive and begin to be offensive.

[grand flower]

That's how I treat any debate here

being invested in getting people to say "youre right" is how you end up becoming pissy

[dark nymph]

is that icarly in pfp

[grand flower]

The point should just be, "can my thought process hold up to other people's scrutiny" and that's it

[runic dock]

He could’ve gotten out of the ice anyway , he could also possess anyone else he wanted , from the HK

[dark nymph]

dont rmmbr her wearing that shirt..

[grand flower]

If someone tells me I'm wrong and they give me their reasons why, can I reconcile what I was thinking with what they're bringing up

[mortal yarrow]

Maybe if there were any worth to it. I don’t get anything out of arguing with you about which villain is more important in a battle shonen. There is no real world application to what I could feasibly learn from this discussion.

[grand flower]

online exclusive episode, you had to be there

[grand flower]

I don't thik that's true

[lofty fern]

I think he was going to try it, because why not? It doesn't cost him anything if it doesn't work, and if it does? All the better.

[grand flower]

Even if it's just about a comic, it encourages critical thinking

Same thing with riddles

Despite how trivial they are, they encourage lateral thinking

[glacial bear]

AYEEEE THATS FIRE 🤩

[grand flower]

Even something as minor as "who has this story set up as its big bad" is valuable for critical thinking

Because you have to be able to take apart what you're reading and draw conclusions from that

"If ABC is true, then XYZ must also be true" is the essence of critical thinking, and you apply that any time you think about anything

[digital spear]

Okay but Imu coming back feels more like a direct result of Nika and Nidhöggr being there and ganging up on him

[grand flower]

What you were doing earlier is a demonstration of the value of these kinds of discussions btw @mortal yarrow

It got kind of annoying

[lofty fern]

I do wonder about that? Can Imu possess anyone? Or is it just people that have true immortality? Like he's so far only possessed Saturn and Gunko. Both are people that are immortal and don't age 🤔

[grand flower]

But responding to what I said with rhetorical questions is another way to do this

Because you're forcing me to go "How can I reconcile what I just said with this negative outcome"

[mortal yarrow]

Fair

[grand flower]

I have to demonstrate how what I've said to you does not necessarily mean our only outcome is that negative scenario you just said

[dark nymph]

I think its safe to assume that he can only posses people who have accepted his power

[grand flower]

I responded to them despite being annoyed by them because, like I said

The goal wasnt' to change your mind

The goal was, when you dispute me, I can either resolve that problem

And if I cant resolve it, then i probably oughta need to revisit my thought process behind it

That's why I've never minded lengthy discussions in here or view debates as inherently arguing

I'm either going to sharpen my thoughts, or I'm going to realize there's holes I can't resolve, and I need to pick up a different thought process

[mortal yarrow]

Very true

[lofty fern]

I think that's anyone who has his full contract. Blades, Knights, and Elders. You have to actually accept his contract in all 3 of those levels. We know that since he couldn't force Harald to become a knight, but had to manipulating him into accepting. Same idea with Loki and how they couldn't force him to be a knight.
However, I think only those with the highest covenant, he can possess

[royal orchid]

what break week after an important chapter has people doing

[grand flower]

Nah, I think the magnitude of the mural has reached the breaking point. A character like Luffy who is defiant to outward expectations is bound to eventually do so in a major way

The mural, with how far reaching its implications are, is the prime candiate for being that thing

[royal orchid]

oh wait no it's a nothing week actually I forgot

[dark nymph]

yeah possession seems like a high tier skill so it would make sense if you need more conditions to fulfil it

[grand flower]

It's the most important outward expectation there is because it pertains to saving the entire world

The fact that it's the most important expectation means it's exactly the one Luffy is gonna break

[dark nymph]

I like the idea of Imu being more limited with his powers

[graceful grove]

He is spitting blood already. He has limits

[mortal yarrow]

Was he spitting blood because he’s weakened, or was he spitting blood because transforming into the devil is a gruesome and painful process?

[red lagoon]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[mortal yarrow]

Only transformation in this story that I can think of that tops off with a giant explosion.

[leaden rivet]

To be fair do we even know if he can possess regular HK?

[graceful grove]

Gorosei was stressed about him leaving. Cant be just about transformation

[graceful pasture]

genuinely gruesome week rn

[royal orchid]

do you count the anime ?

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/noctrix23/status/2041844437983092920?s=46

MU (@Noctrix23)

I am supposed to be the final villain
I was beaten by a mink
I have no conquerors haki
My Ancestors is the former king of the world.
My crew has to fight together to beat a 75 years old man
Who am I 😂

X · Apr 8, 2026, 11:43 AM

[grand flower]

I saw one interpretation that it may not be blood

It could be like, imu's essense

What he's made of falling apart once he left Marijoa

it probably is blood but that would be interesting

[mortal yarrow]

Stressed about him leaving for his health, or stressed about him leaving because they know what amount of havoc he may wreak on the lower world.

[royal orchid]

yeah no in the manga Lucci doesn't explode when awakening that shit was imu exploding

[glass plume]

I think it's a prelude for the transformation to take place.

[grand flower]

that was another thing i considered. that they wanted him to stay because they know he's gonna be devastating

[graceful grove]

They dont give 2 fucks about damage he would cause

[mortal yarrow]

Considering the idea of deep sea contracts and what not, I’ve decided of my own accord that Imu likely gets stronger the closer to the sea he is, but perhaps at the risk of losing control.

[lofty fern]

I was thinking that maybe, it's less about the technique and more about the fact that his power is so high and his life is so long, that if he was to possess the body of a person who didn't age? He'd burn through them super quickly. With a person who is immortal, they can handle his presence in their body

[dark nymph]

go to manga, there's a banger chapter to discuss for the week
go to toei, you get a well adapted anime episode
go to wit, there's banger shanks concept art
go to OPLA, you get LEGO One Piece

rate my cope

[grand flower]

idk about that, the elders seem to begrudingly follow Imu and they even tried to protest about Lulusia by mentioning how many lives are there

[graceful grove]

They view humans as bugs

[red lagoon]

I already discussed it the chapter for a week i want the next one

[grand flower]

hey look on the bright side

[royal orchid]

the gasping at straws on wit piece because that was literally the only new thing that they showed

[red lagoon]

Man I been discussing this chapter for almost 2 weeks cause of spoilers 💔💔

[grand flower]

the things i mentioned are also true

[royal orchid]

wait is it gasping at straws or grasping at straws

[mortal yarrow]

That’s the only issue with my line of reasoning, but I think even THEM being concerned about the potential havoc would be very interesting.

[royal orchid]

I feel like it's the latter

[mortal yarrow]

Grasping

[grand flower]

them doing the whole "humans are insects" thing in Egghead could be them coping

Convincing themselves that human lives are irrelevant so they can do their jobs

[lofty fern]

I was assuming that was because of the transformation and how arduous it was

[runic dock]

There’s nothing to really suggest so far that it shouldn’t be the case , here’s why: he has a 13 convenants pact , the more important slots are already taken up by the gorosei

[glass plume]

And Gunko

[runic dock]

There are hints that gunko can be special, but to our basic knowledge she’s also a god blade at one point and then HK

[glass plume]

Yeah but Imu posessed them.

So we have proof there.

[grand flower]

@lofty fern I think the fact that they can't pin down Nika's role is another precursor for Luffy ultimately doing his own thing, and not falling in line with the ancient text and expectations

Luffy is all about breaking the mold, and the most important mold we've heard of so far is already flimsy

[graceful grove]

Then it would bring up another issue. Why is he doing such a thing to begin with if it’s causing him pain?

[royal orchid]

I saw a theory that it was proximity to the sea that hurt imu, but I feel like Aurust Castle is farther up than the red line

maybe it's in the same path but accounting for something existing in Pangea Castle that negates that sea weakness imu has

[dark nymph]

yeah assuming its someone who has a lower tier contract and not just anyone cause that would be insanely powerful

[grand flower]

I think they say the red line is the highest point in the world bar sky islands tho

[mortal yarrow]

Why is the villain using his transformation to power up before battle?

[lofty fern]

I think if Luffy actually KNEW that he was part of some plan, he would be defiant against it, but because he kinds of just goes through life unknowing, he's fullfilling his role by being himself.
We know that the Dawn will come and Luffy will bring it. That's a done deal. How he does it? He could do it many ways, but he will do it and it will also be unknowingly something he wants to do as well.

[rich hornet]

This is an existential threat to the WG

[glass plume]

I wonder why the sky islands are largely exempt from the WG control

was it ever explained?.

[dark nymph]

probably tedious to govern

[rich hornet]

Probably the same reason Amazon Lily was free so long

[grand flower]

I don’t Luffy necessarily needa to know the whole picture. It can be as simple as someone asking him to do one particular thing, and his refusal to do it causing a domino effect that throws it all out of whack

[hot cairn]

Oden said a group of young pirates were destined to defeat Kaido, and Luffy did, out of his own decision but he fulfilled the prophecy

[mortal yarrow]

Or in my imagined, probably-not-the-case scenario, why is the villain descending to the lower world where this transformation automatically occurs, while there are opponents he desperately wants to squash there?

[grand flower]

I’m aware, and the fact that Luffy fell in line with that just makes me more suspicious of that happening with the mural

[royal orchid]

so it's an issue with oda again because these are clouds in the image

[random crow]

And it would make sense to isolate the celestial dragons in some sky island, make the holy land there, people can't easily access them and are separate from the rest of the world

[grand flower]

Luffys thing is he throws a wrench into roadmaps, and the mural is the biggest one we’ve gotten so far

The fact that it’s so big means it’s the one that creates the most narrative conflict should Luffy break it

[graceful grove]

Yes and he is being forced to do all of this. Imu been pretty clear about certain moves costing him personally like the mark and now this. Its reasonable to assume it is blood and its part of the cost he is paying for going there in person and transforming. Not just aesthetics

[dark nymph]

yeah the idea of Luffy fulfilling the prophecy just by doing whatever he wants is probably what Oda is going for

[glass plume]

https://x.com/oval_1ce/status/2041898094800073209/photo/1

awfull eyes | COMMS OPEN (@oval_1ce)

the third one #ONEPIECE1179

X · Apr 8, 2026, 3:16 PM

[grand flower]

Yeah I think all that matters is the end result of the Dawn coming in is all that matters

[random crow]

Probably the holy land needs to be over the red line/Mary Geoise due to some Imu curse/contract

[rich hornet]

You want the holy land to be a mix of separate but accesible. Their current predicament is partly because they are already cut off from the sea. It would be hell trying to have tribute/food/diplomats regularly shipped to a sky island

[grand flower]

Luffy will technically fulfill the prophecy in that regard

He will 100% be why the Dawn is ushered in

But I think Luffy and Blackbeard are about to throw outta whack entirely how the Dawn coming in looks

VS how it was “supposed” to look per the Harley

[dark nymph]

I hope its more exciting than it sounds

[random crow]

I think this world structure of seas divided in regions because of the red line will change. I believe the One Piece will unify the seas somehow

[blazing shale]

It probably is in a vacuum, excessive contact with the story makes it seem that the impact isn't there

[glass plume]

https://fixupx.com/ghostieleeghost/status/2041793541828145264
God damn.

ghostielee loves crocodile and robin 🌸🐊 (@ghostieleeghost)

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FixupX · Apr 8, 2026, 8:21 AM

[brittle basin]

LA Croc is almost perfect. Fix the hair, and we're good.

[blazing shale]

Not the biggest fan of the costume designs tbh