also-manga

[ruby cape]

leaving the family sbs thing in the background was rough tho not sure how much relevance it would’ve brought considering the context of them being in wano

[leaden rivet]

This is like 99% of longer one piece arcs

[ashen perch]

No its not

[strong wadi]

Ranking of the most overhated arcs:

1. LRLL
2. Thriller Bark
   3/4 Skypiea & Punk Hazard

[leaden rivet]

It is. As soon as something runs too long people start hating it.

[ashen perch]

I actually wouldn't say it about any of the other arcs

[urban lodge]

Tbh LRLL isn't hated enough

[somber flare]

An underHATED arc is Impel Down

[wraith mantle]

egghead was long and no one hates it

BOOM

[mighty shell]

post war in d tier is diabolical

[ashen perch]

Like I believe Wano should've been longer

[vital heart]

Not until Wednesday (when raws are out)...

[somber flare]

Most bafflingly overpraised arc in one piece by a mile

[vital heart]

I'm a bit unemployed right now...

[thick mango]

eh it didnt really have a lot for me to like

[stone terrace]

Weird guy

Impel down is underglazed

[strong wadi]

You've said like 5 bad opinions in your past 5 comments

[wraith mantle]

agreed, also i liked the whole team work fighting against the big giant

[leaden rivet]

I feel like marineford definitely isn’t hated enough it’s still a good arc but it’s such a clusterfuck of bullshit

[ornate tartan]

the most underrated arc to me by far is wano which is ironic

see too many people downplaying it

wano gave us the best character moments for multiple strawhats

[somber flare]

Especially in this channel

[leaden rivet]

It really needed to be planned out better

[stone terrace]

Impel down is better than marineford

[wraith mantle]

is Sabaody over hated, under hated, or perfectly glazed?

[somber flare]

See this is what I’m talking about

[leaden rivet]

That’s not ridiculous to say

[strong wadi]

perfectly glazed

[mighty shell]

i think sabaody is accurately rated

[eternal viper]

I think Egghead has the best post time skip pacing of an arc besides Zou, so the length isn't an issue

[leaden rivet]

Alabasta is underrated and a top tier arc

[ruby cape]

nightmare Luffy was pretty sick writing

[strong wadi]

the only correct opinion is the skypeia one in that whole list 😭

[wraith mantle]

reaaal, need to reread TB soon

[leaden rivet]

Holy shit it’s windy asf

[balmy lava]

Sabody to marineford is peak. Only amazon Lilly is kinda meh, but its short to setup everything.

[ashen perch]

Another arc that would've benefited from being longer, a lot of the issues can be explained by the fact that Oda admitted that he had enough content for each chapter to be 60 pages long but he exercised a ridiculous amount of restraint there

[strong wadi]

i mean most people have it in top 5, maybe top 10 so like, not really unless you think it's like top 3

[coral vapor]

well what's the general opinion on it

[odd rune]

amazon lily isnt meh its good

[wraith mantle]

amazon lily wasn't even bad, it was short and sweet and great

[mighty shell]

my girlfriend recently got through thriller bark she said it was noticeably worse than the water 7 saga and was just kinda boring but had cool moments

[leaden rivet]

I honestly do not see it in most top 5s

And alabasta is my top 1 arc

[odd rune]

hi e, dood

[mighty shell]

sabaody is my number 5 i think

[odd rune]

dood, hi emood

[balmy lava]

It wasnt bad, its just stuck between peak piece

[mighty shell]

i'd have to consult the list

hi macks

[blazing depot]

I’ve never posted a bad take in this server EVER

[wraith mantle]

honestly i would even go so far to say amazon lily was an A arc

[dense haven]

same

its so easy being right

[ruby cape]

the fight against the gorgon sisters was nice

[balmy lava]

It's so quick, its hard to be bad. We also see luffy CoC.

[leaden rivet]

Alright let’s not get ahead of ourselves

[somber flare]

To say impel down is better than marineford is the most blasphemous stupid contrarian take I’ve ever heard. There is not a single measurable aspect of Impel down that is even remotely close to as good Marineford in any shape or form let alone better than it

[leaden rivet]

You disagree with me so you must be contrarian

[dense haven]

illy is a boa hater psy-op

[wraith mantle]

his CoC was censored i think

[strong wadi]

#off-topic message Neek might have an actual stroke after seeing this

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-psychicpebbles-pim-smiling-friends-pim-mr-boss-gif-1373626090718171797

[dense haven]

sent by ishy himself to destroy the boa fandom from within

[urban lodge]

Idk Impel Down is pretty goated... The return of Buggy, Bon Clay greatness

[wraith mantle]

who won best picture at the oscars?

[leaden rivet]

No clue who that lad is, but Amazon lily is a good arc just not A tier

[balmy lava]

Impel down and marinford are so connected, like water 7 and enes lobby

[somber flare]

Amazon Lily is better than impel down and I’m not even joking

[strong wadi]

yeah but one in one case, they are both good while in the other, one is good and the other is bad

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-18338667365126853250

[native seal]

better to live on for sure

[blazing depot]

War of the Worlds

[mighty shell]

i consulted the list

[coral vapor]

what's your issue with impel down

[vital heart]

Dude

Genuinely

Answer me

Do you have me blocked?

[leaden rivet]

If you can’t see someone’s roles you’re blocked

Or if you can’t react

No need to ask

[vital heart]

'

[stone terrace]

Why is only some of it in spanish

[soft tangle]

22 friends is crazy

[mighty shell]

i dunno actually

[somber flare]

Everything before Luffy vs Magellan sucks balls. After that it’s good, but still not better than the good parts of most other arcs

[mighty shell]

it's funny though

[odd rune]

please consult the list for any further questions

[vital heart]

Nah

Macks 100% has me blocked

Let me try reacting

Did it work?

[ruby cape]

whatever oda was on during wci he needs to take it again

[soft tangle]

No

[stone terrace]

I scan to see if wano is in S and if it is i disregard the list

[ruby cape]

i liked every bit of Bege’s involvement

[mighty shell]

truke

[odd rune]

bege is so good man

[ruby cape]

https://tenor.com/view/capone-bege-straw-hats-gangster-meeting-gif-16066002959639099106

[native seal]

you're blocked big dog

he just told me

[ruby cape]

wtf Chiffon

[soft tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-suit-rizz-piolho-rizz-gif-9510798795844586660

[leaden rivet]

Meek you’re probably blocked by quite a few people

[odd rune]

honestly wano is one of those arcs where i was like weekly critical of it but just in unison if you're not throwing that sucker into S tier what are you even doing

act 1 act 2 FIRE, PEAK even

wano ending is FIRE, perhaps PEAK even

[grand flower]

You’re funny af

[grand flower]

That’s true

[odd rune]

onigashima got some of the best fights in the series

[ruby cape]

slandering wano like Oden flashback wasn’t so good

people gotta be real

[mighty shell]

there's a lot of bloat to it but it is quite good at what it does

[grand flower]

That’s RR he

True

[mighty shell]

is my general opinion on wano

[native seal]

loved wano

[odd rune]

wano bloat is high quality bloat

[ruby cape]

easily an S tier arc

[grand flower]

FACTS

[grand flower]

Tell emm it’s a buffet

[odd rune]

quite right shuron

[ruby cape]

oden flashback and the akazaya going into the future oda cooked with the writing

[mighty shell]

i'm glad to see we're officially in revisionist wano was always good one piece i been waiting for this

[coral vapor]

ik were in the middle of the arc but where would yall put Elbaf so far

[leaden rivet]

Wano is a top 3 arc

[mighty shell]

i guess the turnaround is 2-3 years for that to happen

[leaden rivet]

Elbaf is mid tier for me

[grand flower]

I used to pray for times like this

[somber flare]

My opinion of Wano is definitely higher now than during the weekly experience

[leaden rivet]

It’s like where dressrosa is

[ruby cape]

ain’t ranking elbaf till its complete

[leaden rivet]

Wano had the best one piece weekly experience

[mighty shell]

elbaf is aight it hasn't blown me away yet but i have no complaints either

[odd rune]

very little in wano is there and im like 'why are we seein this, why are we reading this' in fact so many readers wanted even more 'bloat' weekly and thats for a reason

[somber flare]

I feel the same tbh

[odd rune]

the best compliment you can give an arc is that you wanted more of it

[hazy turret]

idk it seems to still be pretty hated. i'd give it 6-7 more years

[stone terrace]

If you wanted more of wano you need help

[odd rune]

'wano isnt S tier' mfs when they're forced to reread the oden flashback

[stone terrace]

@ashen perch is evidence

[ashen perch]

Lmao

[grand flower]

I’m a prophet

[mighty shell]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-reaction-oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-gif-25698553

[somber flare]

I don’t think I ever hated Wano

[grand flower]

Wano is genuinely fantastic

[somber flare]

Maybe just wanted to move on at the time which I still stand by

[leaden rivet]

The only thing that almost made me dislike Wano was shanks showing up

[soft tangle]

This chat was devastated when the Yamato cover story ended

[hazy turret]

[leaden rivet]

If shanks hadn’t shown up it would’ve been a 10/10 arc for me

[mighty shell]

i wish oda let the ending of wano be like 5 chapters longer than it was

[grand flower]

It’s the same way they say Dressrosa has “bad pacing” just because it’s long

[mighty shell]

i'm still upset they never toasted jimbei into the crew

[ashen perch]

Well the thing with Wano is that I did like most of what Oda was trying to do, I think it's just a little too rushed at parts

[hazy turret]

you know what that means

[leaden rivet]

Jinbei shouldn’t have ever been in the free to begin with

I wish he’d go away

[hazy turret]

?

excuse me

[somber flare]

Dressrosa has the best side character in all of one piece they could never make me hate you

[ruby cape]

Oda himself not fitting some stuff in and throwing it into the SBS he’s very aware he’s rushed it

[leaden rivet]

He doesn’t belong in the crew, he doesn’t fit it at all

[mighty shell]

we got a fishman slavery advocate out here

[ruby cape]

Even then amazing arc

[odd rune]

wano ending only needed like 3-4 things to make it perfect but it got everything important in there imo

[ruby cape]

So S tier

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-kyros-kyros-one-piece-father-dressrosa-gif-5241618255993804140

[leaden rivet]

He feels so awkward in it

There’s no mesh

[hazy turret]

youre just not used to him

[leaden rivet]

He worked best as a straw hat ally

[odd rune]

jinbei is like a step dad to the crew

[ashen perch]

No he didn't

[leaden rivet]

This is the first time I’ve felt this way about a straw hat

I still pretend like he’s not actually a part of the crew and is just there

[hazy turret]

unless youve been reading since before thriller bark

[odd rune]

one day people will realise that post war is like being spoonfed a backstory so beautiful and delicious and delicate that oda called it an entire arc

[leaden rivet]

What does that have to do with anything

[mighty shell]

macks facts as always

[leaden rivet]

I still experienced it as I read it lol

[ashen perch]

I love post war

[stone terrace]

I will permanently maintain that the flashback shouldve came before marineford

[urban lodge]

Yeah I never understood the post war hate

[leaden rivet]

I have nothing against Jinbei but he just doesn’t belong in the crew

[ashen perch]

Oda deals with the affermath of the arc so well, and the flashback is one of the best

[mighty shell]

it's cause he's a fishman isn't it

[coral vapor]

what's yall favorite panel in the series

[ruby cape]

Jinbe glaze

[odd rune]

way better after

[rich hornet]

It’s because he’s old. They’re being ageist

[stone tulip]

Muted spoilers for chapter 1177 and blocked Worst Gen, wish me luck to try and avoid it

[leaden rivet]

Nope.

[stone terrace]

Luffys shadow in skypiea

[leaden rivet]

I love fish men

[mighty shell]

yeah i'm onto you

[leaden rivet]

They’re good people and work hard.

[ashen perch]

Oda should be doing more with Jinbe but do not let that distract you from the fact that he belongs and always will belong in the crew

[strong wadi]

if you're talking about twitter also, it really helps to mute all relevant character names

[rich hornet]

Funny that this was never a problem before

[odd rune]

emood's feuds

emoods moods

[leaden rivet]

I remember genuinely deleting social media for a chapter just to open manga and get immediately spoiled that was quite the day

[mighty shell]

i try not to have feuds

[stone tulip]

To be fair Brook also felt like that until WCI too, give Jinbe some time until he gets to shine as a straw hat

[coral vapor]

holy shit you're actually real asf

[odd rune]

emood's views?

[stone tulip]

Yeah it’s Twitter, but that would mean spoiling myself on which character it is

[ashen perch]

Recency bias is hitting you like a truck because the fanbase all absolutely adored him during WCI when he was essentially already a crewmate and ofc in Wano as well

I really really do blame Egghead

[urban lodge]

Yeah this can't be beaten tbh

Unreal

[strong wadi]

This one but only this version, idr if it was mangastream or jbox. "Alive and well" just doesn't hit the same.

[stone terrace]

Which one theres 3

[urban lodge]

Deep fried scans

[strong wadi]

it doesnt show you lol

[mighty shell]

did someone hand write this??

[ashen perch]

Those scans genuinely hurt my eyes

[stone tulip]

I do like how Jinbe got highlighted as Helmsman in WCI to solidify his role in the crew cause even though the straw hats can steer the ship nobody is better at it than him cause the the crew is filled with the best of the best.

[ruby cape]

random but

[dense haven]

best panel in all of fiction its not even close

[coral vapor]

Oda was in his bag with the panels in Skypiea and Jaya

[soft tangle]

Dudes sending pages not panels

[dense haven]

ofc oda had to ruin it in dog valley by making him run away

[stone tulip]

I think it’s one of few moments that i didn’t get spoiled cause wow the plot twist is something I truly didn’t see coming

[somber flare]

Probably my favorite as well

[grand flower]

Pulling Luffy out of that depression alone got it

[stone tulip]

I mean like if I was told that I have to mute certain characters I would have know there is a huge chapter about them

[ashen perch]

Oh yea I mean from Egghead to now, outside of that he's perfect

[stone terrace]

Proper use of a full spread

[leaden rivet]

No I think he’s done enough with Jinbei, as a friend to the crew

That’s why he was good

Jinbei isn’t a straw hat

[ashen perch]

X

[strong wadi]

just mute them all every time. I just have like all the major characters muted at all times

[leaden rivet]

He’s Luffy’s good friend that hangs out the crew sometimes.

[cunning narwhal]

yall had to read handwritten scans? 😭

[ruby cape]

joining at a very intense time too like he needs more credit

[ashen perch]

❌

Is what I meant

[strong wadi]

the jbox/mangastream scan definitely wasnt this bad, maybe this was someone's recreation since jbox/mangastream were taken down 😭

[pulsar path]

Aww man my Zoro panel wouldn't send

[strong wadi]

Ok was able to find it by looking through old server messages

[odd rune]

fucking better than tcb these days

[dense haven]

tcb more like cbt

[pulsar path]

Yeah they did good work

It almost was too touched up

Like looks toooo good lol

Manga panda looked like you out the contrast up

This is 90s scan quality

[odd rune]

[somber flare]

https://tenor.com/view/mackenyu-arata-zoro-reaction-one-piece-meme-one-piece-zoro-mackenyu-gif-2402308232532032818

[mighty shell]

my personal favorite page

[pulsar path]

Best Zoro quote to hatch no less

[stone terrace]

Jaya super peak

[strong wadi]

Ippo fans in the dirt

[somber flare]

Love the Korean

[pulsar path]

I read a few manga like that and I do think the first time i tried ippo was that lol

[pulsar path]

Is this Togashi price

Piece

[ruby cape]

yeah

[somber flare]

I still see this image floating around Twitter

Pretty sure it originated here

[pulsar path]

Lol we are the og

[ruby cape]

this paragraphs funny

[stone tulip]

I guess but it does seem to be a bit hassle

[strong wadi]

only if you go and reinput them every week

This + the strawhats is pretty clutch

[stone tulip]

It might have been intense timing but it’s also great timing too cause without him the straw hats would have been so screwed so I do want to respect him for this.

Although I do hope this might happen with Vivi too ig lol.

[strong wadi]

it also made me realize i dont have imu muted, gonna do that now

[urban lodge]

I've trained my algorithm not to show me spoilers, it only took blocking a few hundred accounts

[stone tulip]

I suppose but I will try to do that

[somber flare]

Good thing you have Rocks so you don’t get spoiled when he is revealed to be alive

[stone tulip]

Yeah you should

[urban lodge]

I don't mute words because that would block some art too

[stone tulip]

Yeah that’s also why I am hesitant to mute too cause I would miss out the artworks

[somber flare]

I just pray the algorithm doesn’t show me some idiot quoting a spoiler summary

[ruby cape]

if you wanna unmute then mute i think if you just have another account with all the muted words and you exit twitter on that account you won’t get notis, then on your main acc you ain’t gotta mute words

that’s long tho

[west axle]

Just caught up to the one piece and got to say shanks is the collest mf in all of history

[somber flare]

Some times I see the summary itself from pew but I can easily not look and just scroll

[ruby cape]

yeah tbh my eyes just dodge it

i even have notis on for pew

I just ignore them

I’m built like dat

[somber flare]

I used to mute the tags for the new chapter number every week but that became a hassle

[hazy turret]

Suuuuure

[somber flare]

Only bad one I’ve gotten in a while is that Loki was a dragon

[rich hornet]

And that’s been kind of obvious for a while

[ruby cape]

it’s good enough that pew complies spoilers in one image

they’re easy to dodge

and yeah loki dragon is from the get go

[stone tulip]

Yeah Pew is avoidable cause he only post spoilers by images

[stone terrace]

Also block henry thurlow

[dapper tree]

Chapter week yet?

I'm having chapter withdrawals

[ruby moat]

easiest way to avoid spoilers on twitter is by deleting twitter. and then once the chapter is out you can keep it deleted for the next chapter. and the next.

[scarlet nacelle]

better idea

just never download it in the first place

[ruby moat]

😮

[pulsar path]

Do we have spoilers already or something

Or are we expecting one of them week s

[ruby moat]

nothing in the spoiler channel yet

[pulsar path]

I hope it's a special live action chapter

[ruby moat]

that would be so funny after last chapter

[pulsar path]

Like it really would. random live action meets manga version

Like cross epoch

[grand flower]

L M A O

Idk why that killed me so bad

[spice cairn]

They say Kaido is the world strongest creature

[grand flower]

They right

Worlds strongest creature

Worlds coolest giant

Worlds most unwanted creature

Harald shooting straight GOATs!!

[spice cairn]

Big Mom shouldve got one too

World's Strongest Woman

[grand flower]

SKEE YEE!

[pulsar path]

He does look like Harolds human baby child

[grand flower]

Rihht

[spice cairn]

Kaido?

[grand flower]

I was convinced

Ye

[spice cairn]

Looks like his uncle

[grand flower]

Kaido just has ancient giant blood

Ogre

Ancient giant version of what Kuma is

@digital spear https://youtu.be/ufkZGUhhr5Q?si=_1nDW6u4FuF9_-xj

Big dawg is talking

[blazing depot]

Speaking of which I need to read IDW TMNT soon

[pulsar path]

I think I started that years ago

I love tmnt

I wish I got that reprint of vol 1

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-d-xebec-vs-harald-the-king-of-giants-fight-the-davy-legacy-gif-4898321560894560005

[formal wagon]

and oda said they're only a third as powerful of true awakening reversi'd abyss contract redbei's sacrifice lucci 😨

(on a bad day)

(for lucci)

[spice cairn]

Lucci with a stick

[proud pivot]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

WHY DO YOU SAY THINGS LIKE THIS

[alpine trench]

one piece brainrot

[mighty shell]

speak on it

[vital heart]

@alpine trench

Dude

Do you have me blocked dude?

I recently found out macks had me blocked

[alpine trench]

no

[vital heart]

You too?

But you like

ignore everything I say

[leaden rivet]

Oh my goodness

[alpine trench]

i dont have you blocked meek i just ignore you now

[mighty shell]

meek you know you can just react to a person's message to find out if you're blocked right

[leaden rivet]

Meek like no offense

[mighty shell]

you don't have to ping them

[leaden rivet]

But you’re just like really annoying a lot of the time

😔

That’s ok, people also feel the same about me

[alpine trench]

I don’t think you’re annoying

[mighty shell]

sometimes meek just be saying things

[alpine trench]

Meek ping early in the morning is like an alarm from hell

[buoyant comet]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-smoking-drama-discord-shi-gif-3128682912239382806

[dapper tree]

Everyone should block Meek

But still ask questions directed to him

So he feels seen

But we don't have to see what he says

[hot cairn]

why did macks blocked you

[leaden rivet]

Getting blocked by staff is a feat

[cosmic hamlet]

You can find out yourself if someone blocked you or not

[dapper tree]

There could be a 100 reasons

Speaking of macks

@odd rune, whenever you are able to respond, how do you feel about the powerlevel list tomorrow. I get outta work hella early and have the next day off. Might run around town after wokr but that's about it

[formal wagon]

odas words, not mine

-oda

[proud pivot]

Baka bakashi

[mighty shell]

bakushin bakushin bakushin

[formal wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/spinarak-pokemon-i-still-don't-get-it-ohh-i-still-don't-get-it-langhope-gif-15774662718779923341

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-stare-gif-6772618130614339130

[frail kindle]

@vital heart hey meek

[spice cairn]

[dense haven]

opla won an oscars

I always knew my goats could do it

[odd rune]

@vital heart I don't have you blocked

Wtf lol

[odd rune]

It'd be easier if you could possibly give me a 'in x hours' instead of a tomorrow cuz that could be very late tomorrow for me in which case possibly not because I have uni for 11 hours the next day

[cosmic hamlet]

Rude

[cosmic hamlet]

What did meek do to get blocked man 👀

[fringe escarp]

Genuine question why are ppl so scared to accuse joyboy of anything remotely negative

[ruby moat]

bc hes JOY boy

like duh

its in the name

[dense haven]

joyboy was jailed for tax evasion once

[ruby moat]

fr tho i think its probably just bc imu is this paragon of evil and joyboy is an opponent of imu and we dont know a whole lot else about it

[ruby moat]

that makes him look even better

[fringe escarp]

Does this mean next time we see Kaido he will be the nicest guy because his name can be read as joyboy

Will he eat the nika nika no mi model nice guy

[ruby moat]

it can??

[fringe escarp]

Yeah lol

That’s a big reason ppl thought he wanted to be joyboy

[ruby moat]

hes a fake joyboy then

a phony

[fringe escarp]

Not LITERALLY joyboy btw

[ruby moat]

fakeboy

[fringe escarp]

But similar enough that it’s Temu joyboy

I forget the exact translation

[ruby moat]

im guessing its something like how "xebec translates to buggy" and its like "xe bec" with a fancy letter in an obscure language

[fringe escarp]

Oh damn nvm it is joyboy

[fringe escarp]

Parallelpiece too ofc

Aka luffy good guy means joyboy good guy

[ruby moat]

right

[fringe escarp]

Which quickly falls apart when you have rocks and BB 😭

But yeah it’s def in large part cuz of imu being raw evil

And joyboy opposed him

[ruby moat]

it is possible that its a lesser of two evils situation but the name joyboy just doesnt rly give off that feeling

[fringe escarp]

Which is also a really flawed logic when every yonko is against the WG

[fringe escarp]

Could be ironic tbf

[ruby moat]

ya

the ol switcheroo

[fringe escarp]

I feel like there’s enough doubt in joyboys history to have reasonable suspicion of his actions

Specifically what started that was the VP speech

From a meta perspective there is zero purpose in planting a seed of doubt of whether or not the 20 kings were justified and the morals of joyboy if it was just going to be what literally everyone expected

[mighty quarry]

That's more in favor of Imu not always being evil from the start

Rather than joyboy being nefarious

[fringe escarp]

I def don’t believe he was always evil

[mighty quarry]

Yeah

[fringe escarp]

Nah there’s also shit planted about joyboy himself too

Questioning his reasoning for wanting to preserve world ending weapons, as well as the Harley referring to the sun god as a war monger

And depending on how you interpret the final line of the second world, Poseidon being the one who sunk the world

[high wolf]

W Joyboy

[hazy patrol]

how are we doing friends

[jade rain]

At the end of the day it's one piece and it's always been good vs evil. So i doubt Joy boy being a grey shaded character when he will most probably resemble luffy

The side luffy fights is always been for the morally good one and it's going to stay that way

[sick dust]

so he threw himself in prison?

[sly belfry]

Akainu did

[fringe escarp]

One piece hasn’t always been good vs evil

Luffy fighting for the morally more justified side doesn’t mean anything for joyboy

They’re two completely different characters

In completely different fights

[weary shoal]

maybe they are not innately good, they are influenced by the fruit

[balmy field]

he should've called SAUL GOODMAN

[fringe escarp]

We just got off wano where the crux of its flashback was that the kozuki/wano country as a whole were not wholesome 100

The kurozumis as they are in the latter portions of the flashbacks are in massive part due to being massacred for the actions of one man

[formal wagon]

goat mentioned

[sly belfry]

[fringe escarp]

Wano was literally torturing minks and fishmen 😭

[formal wagon]

L wano (just my opinion)

[west axle]

Name a charachter cooler than shanks in anime history?

[jade rain]

It is very much for the side luffy fights or represents, kozuki might have not been completely right but oden was and didn't discriminate plus honourable in his own way. same way the ancient kingdom might not be completely good but joyboy definitely would

[dense pike]

Backwater nation smh

[dense haven]

shanks is HIM

[formal wagon]

coby

[west axle]

i mean i like him but naah

[prisma yacht]

Blackbeard

[formal wagon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1293682088746160229/picmix.com_12095497.gif

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-marines-admirals-fleet-admiral-ad-gif-16460167845185850500

[fringe escarp]

But why would joyboy definitely be good

What has joyboy done that is positive

The story has basically yelled at us multiple times to separate luffy from joyboy

They are different people with different identities

The “side” luffy represents isn’t the same side joyboy fought for either

That side doesn’t exist anymore

The one good thing joyboy has done is give the knot to emeth to protect him

That’s literally it

[prisma yacht]

well we have also seen characters compare joyboy and luffy

that too the chars who were present in the void century

[fringe escarp]

Those are the exact same people I’m referring to

[prisma yacht]

hm?

[fringe escarp]

Zuniesha and emeth both retract their statements about luffy

[prisma yacht]

[fringe escarp]

Because they realize he only reminds them of joyboy because of aesthetics and not actions

[prisma yacht]

i remember emeth calling out Luffy for looking like joyboy

[fringe escarp]

Aka emeth thought luffy looked like joyboy because of his gear 5 form

And zuniesha was reminded of joyboy and believed he returned because of the drum sounds that luffy’s fruit makes

Neither of which have anything to do with who luffy is

It’s effectively the exact same as ppl saying Momo is Kaido

[prisma yacht]

sounds of drums of liberation

[fringe escarp]

Yes

[prisma yacht]

sounds like a hero to me who had it previously

[fringe escarp]

That’s just what his fruit does

It’s a aesthetic of the nika fruit once awakened

[prisma yacht]

if joyboy didn't embody the sole of the fruit that fruit wouldn't be awakened in the first place

[fringe escarp]

This isn’t how awakenings work

Awakenings are described as when your mind and body “catch up” to your fruit

Not when you embody the fruit specifically

[prisma yacht]

[fringe escarp]

Nor would it matter much for nika when he has a million interpretations

Liberation only being one of the main 3

[prisma yacht]

million

[prisma yacht]

anyway how wld someone cheat thru this

[fringe escarp]

Wdym chest

*chest

*CHEAT

[prisma yacht]

Say if joyboy is evil

[fringe escarp]

I don’t think he’s straight up evil but let’s just go with that for this hypothetical

[sick dust]

well what reason would 19 royal familes rebel against him?

he probably did something horrible and Imu likely took advantage of the situdation

but that's just what I think

I don't think he was perfect despite Emet and Zuneshia's accounts

[fringe escarp]

zuniesha is especially not trustworthy

[prisma yacht]

how wld he awaken the fruit cause even going by ur definition his mind and body needs to be on par with what the fruit represents,
or are you saying that since there are other interpretations for the nika this fruit might have been awakened due to joyboy's destructive way of life

[fringe escarp]

Zuniesha is a literal slave because of Wano

[prisma yacht]

but then again

[jade rain]

These 19 families who are currently the CD's of this era, pretty sure they wouldn't have fought for morally good reason

[prisma yacht]

nika being the lord of destruction, the fool, the warrior of liberation are all the same and just are being seen thru different eyes

[sick dust]

they probably were good in the past but became corrupt overtime

[fringe escarp]

You mean like how the kozuki enslaved zuniesha and allowed for the persecution of minks/fishmen and genocide of the kurozumis? So that must mean the entire lineage is the same way?

[prisma yacht]

greed is a powerful motivation

[dense pike]

I dont think Joyboy was affiliated with the 19 royal families or the ancient kingdom
I believe he was FROM the ancient kingdom, but as a pirate, did not affiliate with it, and that his reason for fighting Imu was to just prevent Imu from flooding the world in his attempt to defeat the ancient kingdom

[fringe escarp]

That’s a seriously dangerous assumption to make that the 19 families are the exact same across the entire lineage of 800 years

[sick dust]

until we get that Imu flashback I'll believe Joyboy wasn't perfect

or did something to make him unpopular

[fringe escarp]

*900 at most

And it wasn’t 19 families it was 20

Lili until at least the spread of the poneglyphs was a part of the 20 kings that went against joyboy

[jade rain]

And from what I can speculate for lily changing sides is that she must have realised her being in the wrong side and did her part like toki

[jade rain]

Again the ancient kingdom might have been like kozuki but oden wasn't that way similarly like Joy boy would be

[fringe escarp]

Then that applies to the 20 kings

There’s no reason to assume the 20 kings are all evil just because the WG became evil

[prisma yacht]

also we know the dofflamingos were dicks

also we know the dofflamingos were dicks

[fringe escarp]

This is truthful

[prisma yacht]

wow peak internet

[fringe escarp]

Ironically they ended up becoming better people during the present day

[jade rain]

More reason to assume they are on the bad side than the good one

[sick dust]

expect for Doffy's dad

[fringe escarp]

Then there’s more reason to assume the side with weapons that make nukes look like water guns was not good either

Which would include joyboy

[sick dust]

and his naviety got his wife killed

[fringe escarp]

There is no good reason to make weapons as extreme as the ancient weapons

[dense pike]

what if Joyboy originally lead the rebellion, but at some point, Imu backstabbed him, and took lead of the 18 other families standing with him

[fringe escarp]

And again there is very little supporting joyboy being a good person

[jade rain]

Going in circles, smh, I gave the same example with oden and kozuki but once again you bring the same point. No use talking further

[fringe escarp]

And I gave you the example of the 20 kings

[prisma yacht]

I meant during the void century

reminder to drink mizu guys

[fringe escarp]

Which you chose to hand wave because their DESCENDANTS were scum

And again you haven’t actually given me a reason to assume joyboy is good

[sick dust]

rebellion on who?

[fringe escarp]

Do you have examples or do you have vibes and aura

[sick dust]

wasn't Joyboy the ruler at the time

[dense pike]

against the ancient kingdom

[fringe escarp]

He wasn’t

[dense pike]

no he was the first pirate

[fringe escarp]

Joyboy left his kingdom and became a criminal to them

But eventually joined back for the war

[sick dust]

the story framed it that way to me.

[prisma yacht]

what do we even know this fs

[dense pike]

its likely Davy Jones was at the time (before later becoming a pirate), but not Joyboy to our knowledge

[fringe escarp]

Ngl do you think Davy jones was usurped and that’s why he became a pirate 😭

That fucking rat joyboy I stg

[jade rain]

Clearly gave reasons go read my previous messages if you want, once again coming back to what if cases than simple ones. The story ain't AOT it would always be good vs evil at the end of the day

[fringe escarp]

Joyboy isn’t luffy this doesn’t apply here

Good vs bad applies to luffy’s conflicts

Not anyone else

[jade rain]

He clearly carries his will

Atleast that's how he would be portrayed

[fringe escarp]

Will =/= identical characters

BB carries Rocks’s will

[jade rain]

Roger isn't luffy either but he is mostly on the good side

[fringe escarp]

That doesnt really mean shit when BB and rocks exist

Which completely throws the idea of having to correlate in morals

[jade rain]

Rocks and bb are morally bad which is the same

[fringe escarp]

Roger and luffy have had far more explicit correlations in what they actually wanted

[fringe escarp]

Rocks is a far more moral person don’t be disingenuous

[jade rain]

Rocks crew are terrible people and just rocks pirates are more similar to bb pirates

[dense haven]

rocks is a hero

even luffy and roger are worse people

[fringe escarp]

Could you see rocks owning slaves

The same rocks who vilified the world government for being inhuman scum

The same rocks who commended Harald for wanted world peace

Yeah ok bro

[fringe escarp]

Rocks is far more of a hero than that mf Blackbeard I swear

[jade rain]

We don't know if his crew does and he doesn't care or judge what his crew does. They could sack cities and sell people to WG

Which he and his crew did

[prisma yacht]

I think he is saying that in comparison with bb

[fringe escarp]

He literally was pissed off that ppl sold off his crewmates

[prisma yacht]

and not that rocks is a morally good person

[dense pike]

My headcanon so far is that

• Davy Jones was the AK king
• Joyboy was an AK citizen who became a pirate
• his crew befriended the 20 families (along with some more like Wano, Elbaph, etc)
• Joyboy and his crewmates later joined the rebellion these 20 families were planning
• Joyboy took charge of this rebelllion and went to war with the AK
• Imu (possibly being the #2 of this group) backstabbed Joyboy out of jealousy and the group splintered
• some stuck with Joyboy (Wano, Elbaph, his crew (minus Zunesha, hence the punishment), and secretly the Nefertaris), while the others misguidedly followed Imus plan of flooding the entire world thus cleansing the AK for good, letting them rule the remains like gods
• Joyboy, his allies, and the AK (putting their differences aside) then fought the 19 families and their allies in the great war, to save the world from flooding (after the alliance got ahold of at least Uranus)
  something along those lines

[jade rain]

Yea compared to bb he is Saint but he ain't morally good is my point

[fringe escarp]

^^^ rocks is a morally gray person

Blackbeard is far on the side of horrid

So why can’t this be the same for joyboy and luffy

[dense haven]

rocks is the real pirate king

[fringe escarp]

Why do we have to assume joyboy is good

Going against the WG isn’t proof lol

[jade rain]

Why would you assume the worst then

[fringe escarp]

Kozuki enslaved zuniesha

Same ones who were on his side

[dense pike]

@fringe escarp read my last bullet point. Thats my current hypothesis on the zunesha thing. Like its mostly a self-imposed thing to make up for the regret of not staying with joyboy when he needed him

[alpine trench]

Where are you getting this from

Where was this implied in the story

[jade rain]

Wasted my time in these silly arguments, going in circles from the beginning, smh, 😑

[fringe escarp]

Zuniesha is only able to take orders from momonosuke

Said orders is the one and only way zuniesha is allowed to do anything at all

[alpine trench]

Does that imply enslavement

That seems like a huge leap of logic to make

[fringe escarp]

Zuniesha has to ask to save its own life

[alpine trench]

Zunesha being beholden to Momo is slavery? Why didn’t it communicate like that with Oden?

Oden should’ve been able to give it orders too

Would Sukiyaki have been able to give it orders?

[fringe escarp]

Most likely because it had no reason to, it wasn’t in a position where it needed to

Zuniesha only makes contact with Momo for further orders

[balmy field]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-yo-hi-bonjour-hello-gif-16110993206874302841

[alpine trench]

Zunesha also normally talks to Momo

Why didn’t it do so with Oden?

[fringe escarp]

That only happens when Jack arrives

[dense pike]

i always got the impression that noone is actually forcing Zunesha to wander aimlessly or follow the kozukis orders
that its more of a self-imposed punishment, born from Zuneshas own regret about something from the void century

[fringe escarp]

And when it arrives in wano

To take further orders regarding the walls

[buoyant comet]

If this true then I think Elbaf might be the ancient kingdom. The God of War of Elbaf fought against the Sun God, and we've seen an ancient laboratory present on Elbaf 👀

[cosmic hamlet]

Maybe it only talks when needed

[fringe escarp]

^

[balmy field]

is trebol fruit beta beta no mi a logia?

[fringe escarp]

No

[alpine trench]

Zunesha talked to Momo extensively after Luffy and co left

[dense pike]

Its possible, but I feel if Imu did flood the world, he wouldnt leave the actual Ancient Kingdom above water

[fringe escarp]

When was this

[alpine trench]

Zou?

[fringe escarp]

What did zuniesha say

[buoyant comet]

Then that might mean that the ancient kingdom was aligned with Elbaf.

[alpine trench]

Momo said he’d talk to Zunesha further

[balmy field]

lol rn i saw one thing IN MANGA USOPP DONT SLASH TREBOL LIKE HE DID IN ANIME IN ANIME IT FELT LIKE A LOGIA

[dense pike]

that feels more likely to me at least

[alpine trench]

And in Wano implies that one of the things revealed in Wano is not what Zunesha talked to him about, think it was about Joyboy

Regardless

The slavery thing is a huge reach

[cosmic hamlet]

Maybe the punishment to not talk ended recently 😂

[fringe escarp]

I went to check myself, zuniesha doesn’t reach out to momonosuke to have this conversation, momo is the one who intends to initiate it

This doesn’t go against what I had proposed since zuniesha himself only reaches out when necessary

The fact that it only speaks in the presence of danger or awaiting orders from momonosuke implies it’s related to his blood

Hence why Momo wanted to ask more about the kozuki

[cosmic hamlet]

What slavery thing? 👀

[fringe escarp]

Slavery is far from a reach since literally none of this addresses why zuniesha isn’t allowed to protect himself without orders

[dense pike]

also, now that i think about it, the god of war was probably not from the VC
Jarul spoke about the legend like it was an ancient tale, but if it was the VC then that would be like when his dad or grandfather was alive. Its weird to speak about how Ragnir has protected the fruit from several past kings of Elbaph if there were only 2 or 3 kings between the God of War and Harald ya know. I at least got the impression that it had been ongoing for a lot more generations

[fringe escarp]

That is by definition slavery

[cosmic hamlet]

God of war is not from VC, he didn't fight joyboy but the actual nika

Thats my speculation though

[dense pike]

yeah thats what i think too

[cosmic hamlet]

God of war is to loki how nika is to luffy

[dense pike]

yeah

[buoyant comet]

Yah I concur about him not being from the Void Century, but I feel like the Ancient Kingdom presided since the first world 3000 years ago. Especially after seeing the laboratory on Elbaf, a 3000 technological infrastructure like that could have only been the product of the ancient kingdom.

[dense pike]

hmmm yeah thats not unreasonable
perhaps the 1st world version of the AK were the moon-birkans' city, or the lunarians' city of "gods", and then they later established the Ancient Kingdom after their 1st world became desolate

[cosmic hamlet]

Imagine if there are 2 flashbacks, one is 3000 years ago and one is void century

[buoyant comet]

Would make sense too if they're from the moon.

[dense pike]

exactly 👀

[balmy field]

this is more active than #manga lol

[dense pike]

OMG the god of liberation was a SUN-god, and he liberated those oppressed by MOON-people

[buoyant comet]

#manga is for brain rot, this is where the real conversations take place

[buoyant comet]

Wait I think I can prove this somehow one second

[dense pike]

whilst #manga-serious is for the REAL concersations that even we are too scared to partake in

[high wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/go-away-oops-awkward-big-eyes-gif-1236606401277977014

[cosmic hamlet]

👀

[cosmic hamlet]

Sure sure

[cosmic hamlet]

You are part of it dw

[high wolf]

Why would I worry

Because I'm NOT a part of it

[rapid ridge]

I love brainrog

[high wolf]

Shanks wins

[rapid ridge]

Shanks wins

[balmy field]

SHANKS wins

[dense pike]

@buoyant comet also, one thing that always bugs me is how poorly lunarians fit into everything (since they literally have lunar in their name, yet do not appear in the moon-runes), but what if theyre bio-engineered? like some of the sky people that migrated settled on the red line, and then bio-engineered themselves to have the flame gimmick, perhaps as a crude downscaled replication of the mother flame (sssuming that one thing in the runes is the mother flame)

also dont let this distract from what youre currently typing

[autumn island]

People deeping this far too much

😂

[dense pike]

?

deeping what?

[restive lintel]

Lunarians are good people

Maybe more of them are alive

[dense pike]

racist

[dense pike]

assumedly so
I mean King came from somewhere

[restive lintel]

No

[restive lintel]

King's distant family

[dense pike]

yes

[restive lintel]

Also some slaves in Holy land

[dense pike]

yeah probably there too

[restive lintel]

Which race is stronger?

Buccaneers or Lunarians?

[dense pike]

how is it not racist? 😭

[dense pike]

i mean on average id say lunarians

S-bear lucky, he got the best of both buccaneers and lunarians

[restive lintel]

How is it racist? This is same as saying Beast Pirates are bad people

[restive lintel]

S Hawk>>>

[dense pike]

no its the same as saying "all [race] are [trait]"

"all asians are smart"

"all lunarians are good"

[restive lintel]

Lunarians are only one people

What other lunarians have we met?

Lunarians = King

[dense pike]

yeah, but he only represents a small sample size of the historical lunarian population
refering to lunarians as a people doesnt just mean King unless you say "all known lunarians are good"

[restive lintel]

Goes without saying that in the story so far when we have only met one Lunarian, possibly the only one alive then All Lunarians can only mean King, no one else

Hence
Lunarians are good people = King is a good person

[dense pike]

it does not go without saying hence why you needed to say it for me to understand.
If I found a never before seen species of squid and said "these squid eat seaweed" because i found seaweed in its belly, people would obviously assume I meant every extant member of the species as well, not just the single member I found

[vale heath]

one member of a group, even if it is literally the only memeber, is not a representative sample

[dense pike]

exactly

[vale heath]

this also ignores that there are at least 7 other partial lunarians

[ashen perch]

So it's really only going to show results from the week before 2 weeks... That's so bad

Its not really going to be a lot of fun like this unfortunately

[restive lintel]

The squid eats seaweed equivalent for Lunarians is- they have brown skin, white hair & can generate fire from their bodies about which we'll be in the right in.

[vale heath]

And we know all lunarians have this because...

[dense pike]

true, though ig in this case, since hes arguing about how "good" they are, i understand not including the seraphim given their somewhat-lacking autonomy

[restive lintel]

Anything else can only refer to King being the only alive Lunarian present in the story

When we say in the present Lunarians are good people, who is the only Lunarian alive in the story? King.

[restive lintel]

Because of history

[vale heath]

When we say [plural], we are referring to [singular]

[restive lintel]

Lunarians have a long history

[vale heath]

Listen to yourself, man

[restive lintel]

Yes its a play on King being the only alive member of that race

Like that's the whole point

[vale heath]

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/single-tree-beautiful-vast-green-meadow-1618661.jpg behold a forest

[dense pike]

yeah, but you didnt comment on traits that we know are/were shared among several lunarians, you said:
"lunarians are good people"
-# (with your sample being only King)
like I said
"these squid eat seaweed"
-# (my sample: only one squid)
If you had said
"all known lunarians are good people"
and I had said
"this squid ate seaweed"
then neither statement would be making sweeping assumptions

[vale heath]

all forests are green because that forest (by which i mean singular tree) is green

[dense pike]

yeah exactly, thats his logic here when it comes to lunarian morality

[restive lintel]

Lunarians are good people = King is a person is in the same breadth as someone saying in a war "the Lunarians have our back" if they have King as their ally, this is the point of that statement.

[restive lintel]

It isn't possible to say anything definitive about Lunarian morality, we can only speak for King, being the only alive Lunarian.

[dense pike]

agreed

so its weird that you did

[restive lintel]

No it is wrong of anyone to assume one would speak of the Lunarians of the past

We can only speak about Lunarians of the present, who is King

A singular person

[dense pike]

you know what, fine. Since youre speaking in present tense I guess theres room to imply that you are only speaking on the only currently known-to-be alive full-blooded lunarian. and since it was mostly for a joke (which at first I thought was cope, but i can kinda see the funny in it now), I can suspend my disbelief for the sake of a chuckle

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-and-jesse-pinkman-handshake-walter-and-jesse-handshake-gif-12675755010462311397

[restive lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-ending-felina-walter-white-jesse-pinkman-gif-6572238009200980030

[dense pike]

but yeah, do you agree the lunarians as a people might be bio-engineered to be like that?

[restive lintel]

Oh like their fire & regenerative abilities weren't natural but rather results of experiments over generations, could be, will have to look up Vegapunk's exact statement about it

[dense pike]

yeah, exactly. That's my headcanon at least given that they dont appear in the moon mural along with the other sky races

[restive lintel]

Well the moon Mural, if you're talking about Enel cover story, that happens around ch 400s so maybe this was a recent development and Oda didn't come up with them back then

[restive lintel]

But considering King himself was a test subject at one point it seems less likely that the Lunarians were part of an experiment since that assumption brings many questions like why is King the only one alive, experiments allow for more of them-did they & why stop at some point

[dense pike]

yeah, but when Oda added lunarians surely he mustve meant to tie them to the moon in some way, yet he was aware they werent in the moon mural
thats why i think the sky people who settled on the red line bio-engineered themselves to have inherently crude replications of the mother flame within their bodies, hence the flames

[dense pike]

no, him being the only known remaining lunarian doesnt wrinkle anything. Thats just a result of the WG hunting down his people

im saying the bio-engineering was inherited

like their modified genes can still be passed down

[restive lintel]

Oh yeah since you assume they bio engineered themselves then yeah we don't need to concern ourselves with that part

[restive lintel]

Yeah if the explanation goes- the sky people arrived on red line and these traits were part of evolution over time then that makes more sense, maybe King is still around for that reason to explain more.

[dense pike]

yeah, though Im assuming the evolution wasnt natural, but artificially changing their genes over generations (given that the Shandorans, birkans and skypieans didnt undergo many drastic changes)

[restive lintel]

I see, so you believe the Lunarians were also a tribe of moon people but not among the three-Shandians, Birkans or Skypieans or rather they do belong to one of these 3 but bio engineered themselves over time to become like Lunarians.

But since the Mural only shows us those three tribes & if Oda has to connect them in some way we might need to assume Lunarians do belong to one of those three.

[dense pike]

no

im saying one of the three people also had members that settled on the red line

maybe a splinter group of shandians

and they then bio-engineered themselves over time

we know other natural sky civilizations than Skypiea and Birka exist, and assumedly they ard populated with descendants of the sky people as well

some may be of birkan descent, some of skypiean, some of shandian

it gets confusing cus we named the races after cities we know they founded, but if you classify them as A, B and C, im saying Lunarians are a group of A and/or B and/or C that settled on the red line instead of a sky island and then bio-engineered themselves over generations to become what we know as lunarians

[sudden bloom]

So Robin wears a cowboy hat as Miss All Sunday to hide her identity from the Marines. I'm starting to get it why she wears her hat most of the time while she's working with Crocodile. And also, the Alabasta film kinda explains how Robin snuck into the Going Merry after she was rescued by Luffy.

[vale heath]

Long ago, there was Hatsune Miku.

[sudden bloom]

There's Uta but her face got revealed this year

It's the real singer herself

[digital spear]

Ado is Odas daughter

[sudden bloom]

It's false, she's originally a vocaloid but her face remains a secret until this year

[grand flower]

Ik vocaloid is probably a real term

But that seemed like a “singer variation of foid” at first

I was like wow they got a version for everything

[sick dust]

Nah Ado shared a story of how emotionally abusive her father was

And non of it sounds like Oda behavior

[sudden bloom]

Oh shit, that's tragic

[grand flower]

Oda exclusively talks to her like he’s answering an SBS

[sick dust]

Her dad was a raging achoulic and often got into agurements with his wife leading to a divorce and was unsupportive of her dream until Ussewa became a hit

Ado’s vivarium book will mostly likely cover this

I don’t think Oda would act the way Ado’s dad is said to act

[prisma yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/uta-uta-one-piece-one-piece-ado-uta-one-piece-film-red-gif-26666690

[hasty sable]

Robin killing people in the live action is peak

[sick dust]

Also we had mentions of Oda having a positive relationship with his daughters before

[thin quest]

I think it fits in line with her character tbh, of course she'd kill Marines

[hasty sable]

Yeah

No moral hangups for me

Also assassin

[grand flower]

Def not that guy sounds like a real waste of life

[thin quest]

I also like that she's stalking the Straw Hats to establish her curiosity and interest in Luffy

[jade rain]

One good change in LA that i appreciate and no fake deaths

[grand flower]

Stussy wears a hat like Mihawk’s

[muted hedge]

yup

here's the full wave

Garling surrounded by pirates

and Garp

[prisma yacht]

also a pirate in disguise 🤭

[muted hedge]

i wonder if Garp ever wavered on being a pirate

or was he always steadfast being a marine

[craggy vapor]

@muted hedge Why do you think Shamrock is the serpent from the mural?

[muted hedge]

in the mural we see the dragon which i assume is Nidhoggr going against the hellfire serpent, wouldn't it then make sense if Shamrock is the hellfire serpent as Loki is Nidhoggr, they're already pitted against eachother which was established as soon as Shamrock and Gunko left Loki by him saying if you survive this then come and kill me, i'll be ready

the matchup would lend itself nicely if we had Loki as Nidhoggr vs Shamrock as the hellfire serpent and Cerberus against Ragnir

other than that i just think it would be a very cool idea and fit nicely with the premise set up

it's also curious that the hellfire serpent has hell in it's name while Shamrock has the guarddog of hell as his sword, though that may be reaching a bit

also i think that in the norse mythologies Thor and Jormagundr the world serpent killed eachother which would also make sense considering how much inspiration from Thor that Loki has in him

[pulsar path]

This is the god valley before it was god valley

[glass plume]

I think it's plausible to be honest.

[pulsar path]

?

Where my xebec

[muted hedge]

yeah, it's the anime version

or Kuma's flashback version

[pulsar path]

Yeah Kuma's flashback

I don't want to way 2 plus years for rocks 😭

And I still need a joy boy of these / gear5

I have a gear 4th its like my favorite lil figure 😭

[muted hedge]

that's cool

i don't have too much one piece merchandise

[ornate tartan]

chapter week😩

[tawny panther]

damn no Rocks ?

[muted hedge]

not yet

i'd expect Xebec merchandise to start rolling out once we get to it in the anime

[tawny panther]

yeah that makes sense , anime is usually where characters popularity shoot up so make sense they’d wait for that with merch

[muted hedge]

yup

[pulsar path]

Gear ,5 they did not wait at all lmao

It had merch like the next week

[muted hedge]

oh? i don't remember

maybe it was a special case

i remember that there was a lot of fake gear 5 figures

[pulsar path]

They at least had a bunch way before anime tho it was like damn imagine being spoiled by a toy shop 😭🤣

[dense haven]

did yall like the opla sweep at the oscars

[tawny panther]

lmao

betting to come out of OPLA so far is Vivi actress 🙌🏾😍

[muted hedge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chopper-one-7

[pulsar path]

Drum island was good other than the robotic weird pig feature in the room

But ok this unpopular opinion just never been a favorite arc of mine actually bottomed tier for me 😭 don't take it like that tho it just doesn't hit for me and I get why it would for others

So don't shoot me like chopper

[tawny panther]

i’m the same lol

[muted hedge]

Mark Harelik absolutely killed it

[grand flower]

I love how Kaido is depicted with like, three different color sets for this flashback now

[tawny panther]

never cared that much for drum island

[pulsar path]

Jesus name is so close

[tawny panther]

but it’s not a bad arc , just never really cared much

[muted hedge]

i hope we get his red drip

[muted hedge]

yeah lol

[pulsar path]

Same. It might be the snow for me🤣 I'm notorious for disliking snow levels and areas or arcs with it lol too much snow growing up

[pulsar path]

Match made in heaven to bad he never shows up ever again😭🤣

[tawny panther]

lmao yeah it does have a ton of snow in that arc , you might not like elbaf arc animated then ? isn’t it snowing in elbaf arc ?

[mighty quarry]

Drum island has the iconic hiriluk line tho

[tawny panther]

or is that just with ragnir

[final trench]

Rn just ragnir

Its snowy in the underworld tho

[brittle halo]

Hell froze over

[tawny panther]

ahh okay that’s what it is , the underworld

so underworld and when loki uses ragnir is when we get snow ..

this gonna be Toei first time animating arc with snow since Drum Island ?!?! wow

[brittle halo]

When Loki uses ragnir lightning is summoned

[tawny panther]

the lightning is loki

the ice is the squirrel

[brittle halo]

Yes you get it

[pulsar path]

It's fine as long as we aren't in snow allll day lmoa and I do love the cherry blossom part a lot ! In color manga is fantastic

[tawny panther]

Oda confusing the fans lol first he called ragnir a lightning hammer then he said no the lightning is from loki & the ice is ragnir lol

[pulsar path]

I do love this too I say it all the time a man only dies when he's forgotten! It's so beautiful

[tawny panther]

why is ragnir even called iron thunder if it’s a ice hammer lol

[pulsar path]

Is the ice from Ragnir or rattak

I'm blanking

[tawny panther]

damn now i’m even more confused lol

[pulsar path]

It's also still weird as hell

[mighty quarry]

I get moist eyes when I see that scene in any random one piece amv

[pulsar path]

Cus it's like rattadaskar ate the hammer? Lol

[final trench]

He became the hammer

He put his soul into the hammer

[pulsar path]

Just like thinking about it made my eyes swell a lil bit 😭

[tawny panther]

lol i guess ratatoskr is ice , ragnir the hammer is lightning ? & Loki is also lightning ?!

[pulsar path]

But like wtf

[brittle halo]

Squirrel ate a thunder fruit and thought it was a nut

[pulsar path]

Is that how mythical work!?!?

[brittle halo]

Cold fruit?

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-egghead-mother-flame-flame-pink-gif-1300959127373302718

[final trench]

For the first world yea

[pulsar path]

You know not surprised typical squirrel trying to hit a nut

[tawny panther]

this will make the. most sense due to how loki was in sea stone but still used lightning with the hammer .. the hammer on its own has its own lightning ability seperate from ratatoskr & loki 🤔

[pulsar path]

I mean my theory would be supported by this .I think myhticala were trapped in devil fruits or devil fruits is something the poop does cus technically you do become immortal if you become a devil fruit

I'm still not sure if hammer and squirrel is devil fruit shit tho

[final trench]

Nope

Well, it is now

[brittle halo]

Thought it found a lifetime supply of nut nom noms and it turned out to be a devil fruit

[final trench]

Ratatoskr would be a zoan now by technicality

[brittle halo]

Most op squirrel

[pulsar path]

I mean Oda has not called them devil fruits or anything yet

It would be a mythical zoan tho

[final trench]

Yea

Same way nika is a fruit now

[pulsar path]

It might just be a mythical creature tho

Well yeah but Nika was shown as a fruit

We just were told rat possessed the hammer

[tough igloo]

easy solution .. since the god of war turned into a lightning dragon he also had a lightning hammer to compliment his abilities & his companion the ice squirrel ..

when ratatoskr fused with Ragnir , the hammer now has both lightning AND ice abilities

[final trench]

No

He didnt have the hagaromo scarf

He was just, a being

[pulsar path]

No in talking about gomu Gomu

Gomu Gomu is Nika

It has its will

All zoan have wills

[final trench]

Ah

[pulsar path]

I think og Nika was captured by the ak and made into a fruit shit it might even be there mother flame and we'll as the story goes joy boy stole that shit and went to see as the first pirate that's my theory anyways

[brittle halo]

Luffy a swordsman confirmed Zoro clears

[tough igloo]

and that’s why loki was able to use lightning while in sea prism stone because the lightning came from the hammer abilities not Loki & the hammer wasn’t in sea prism stone

[pulsar path]

But the hammer was effected by sea prism before wasnt it or no?

[brittle halo]

Loki is a dual type pokemon

[tough igloo]

yeah. store it was chained up with loki until the straw hats

[brittle halo]

Electric ice

[tough igloo]

when Loki chains first started coming off the hammer was like the first thing that was freed

[pulsar path]

So than. Is the hammer a hammer that ate a fruit than was possessed by rat?

Honestly bb move over this is the most interesting power user now

Maybe three fruits lmao

Also oda covering his ass for kaido

[iron oriole]

Idk why you think Joyboy was stealing shit all over

[pulsar path]

Well you gotta pillage to become a pirate

[iron oriole]

Not really, Luffy has done like next to 0 pillaging

[muted hedge]

Zoro is a blonde?

[pulsar path]

He literally stole the gomu Gomu from shanks

The main character of this story was born into a kingdom with an impossibly advanced civilzation 900 years ago. Like the Sun God Nika spoken of in Elbaf legend, he fought with a body that stretched and contracted … his name was Joyboy and he was the very first man on this sea to be called a pirate. As for why he was called a pirate, I have only read from a handful of Poneglyphs but what I found there was the record of a breathtakingly vast war.

To me I interpreted that as he was running from the Anciant kingdom why would he run? Cus he stole the Nika fruit because the way they made it sound he already had the powers by the time he went to sea

[iron oriole]

Dumb kid ate a fruit that he shouldn't have, you're trying to frame it like he knew what it was & he intentionally was like "yeah fuck you Shanks i'm gonna steal this fruit from you"

[pulsar path]

I mean it was in a treasure chest

And they literally were talking about it like it was treasure

[iron oriole]

Why would he run? Joyboy himself preserved the Ancient Weapons, sounds more like he was an ally of the AK... preserved their tech after all

[pulsar path]

Why would he go to sea and be knowns as a pirate

[sleek plume]

Vegapunk described the ancient kingdom as Joyboy’s faction as well iirc

[iron oriole]

Because he wants to be free

[pulsar path]

Hmm why would he need to be freed form ak

[iron oriole]

Its not being free from AK

You can have ties to AK & be free as a person

Like Luffy is free but has ties everywhere

[pulsar path]

The world government wa snot oppressing yet

There was none it was just ananrmy

[sleek plume]

This is like asking why Oden would want to go out to sea despite being just fine in wano

It was just his calling

[runic dock]

Spoilers when

[iron oriole]

Bro you dont need to be oppressed to want to be free

[pulsar path]

This is as much as an assumption as mine tho

[pulsar path]

Yes you literally do

[sleek plume]

How so?

[runic dock]

Yeah you just need a 9-5 job

[iron oriole]

[pulsar path]

Because we don't know why joy boy did anything

[sleek plume]

24 hours from now me thinks

Weird that there’s no hints out

I guess Redon’s busy again this week

[runic dock]

It’s been like this the last couple chapters…times are changin’…

No more thirsty spoiler hints on Monday morning

[dense haven]

one piece is kil

[sleek plume]

Okay fair, I’m just saying its easier to lean towards him going out to sea simply because he wanted to

[sleek plume]

Hint mondays were fun

[pulsar path]

I truly think he stole the Nika fruit from the Ak

[runic dock]

Oden felt th constraints and confines of having responsibilities

😔

[pulsar path]

Yeah operation of society lol

And island

Maybe oppression is a bit dramatic here

[iron oriole]

[sleek plume]

Interesting

[iron oriole]

So oppression isn't a requirement to freedom

[pulsar path]

And tbh I'm still confused how a kingdom with three weapons presumably lost to ,20 kingdoms

[sleek plume]

Though he still ends up fighting on their side in the end so him stealing the devil fruit didn’t really matter much in the grand scheme of things imo

[pulsar path]

I think joy boy was in the middle of it all

[sleek plume]

Of the war?

[runic dock]

It’s all the former king of the world Davy jones fault

[dense haven]

tratior

[iron oriole]

Joyboy was the reason for it all

[dense haven]

oda loves traitors

[iron oriole]

VC started & ended with Joyboy after all

[pulsar path]

Na I think the Ak were kidna shitty too to the blue planet People

[iron oriole]

Its all him

[runic dock]

Davy d jones

[pulsar path]

I think they were the ones who started capturing mythical and using them as tech

[dense haven]

if luffy is pirate jesus there gotta be a pirate judas

[runic dock]

DAVY D JONES

[iron oriole]

BB

[pulsar path]

The other thing is how does he have a d when Lili is the first

[sleek plume]

What I wanna know most is whether the ancient kingdom figured out how to clone devil fruits or not, cuz I’m certain that they did considering all of their tech is a notch above whatever Vegapunk has

[runic dock]

This conversation needs a lot more Davy d jones in it

It’s flawed without it

[sleek plume]

We might see multiple users of the same fruit during the void century flashback

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-zoro-gif-23063653

[dense haven]

that would be cool asf

but honestly im worried about void century fb

after rocky port and dog valley I don't trust oda anymore

[rose rune]

I'm also worried about facebook

[pulsar path]

I have a theory to why .I think even tho Vega replicated the azure dragon in thinking the reason kaido never could awaken it is because the power magically split between two fruits like it had to use some of the of fruits ( it's awakening ) in order to create another one? Could be completely off but

[pulsar path]

I tried to Facebook friend the void century it still says requested 😭

[rose rune]

I hope we only get snippets of the void century. I don't want all thr details

[muted hedge]

i want all of it

[sleek plume]

I think the void century flashback is safe from getting the god valley treatment, just because it’s the flashback that kicks off this entire story and is the thing that shaped the current world

[pulsar path]

Maybe my cover page being the rocks pirates scared them

[rose rune]

Probably

[sleek plume]

I think the reason why Kaido never awakened is because he couldn’t fulfill the supposed requirements which were your mind and body catching up to your fruits powers

Kaido had a body capable of handling its awakening, but he didn’t align with its will

So the fruit didn’t accept Kaido

[rose rune]

Made me check what mine was. Haven't logged on in ages

[sleek plume]

Oda will probably cut out some stuff when it comes to the war

He’ll def won’t write in a full war arc inside a flashback

[rose rune]

Hopefully

[sleek plume]

All of the build up and set up will do

[iron oriole]

Cant wait for the 200 chapter VC arc

[muted hedge]

hell yeah

[sleek plume]

The void century flashback is probably gonna be considered its own arc

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/muerto-gif-16250174877271582365

[sleek plume]

God valley was like 15 chapters

[iron oriole]

For sure

[sleek plume]

I can see VC easily being 20+

[muted hedge]

let it be 50

[iron oriole]

Realistically, i imagine around the length of Egghead & those kind of arcs

[rose rune]

It starts with robin making everyone sit down for story time

"So this is how it all began"