also-manga

[formal wagon]

my first word was ball

thats real

[pseudo gulch]

That's when you knew you were a real baller

[ashen perch]

and this is all from just this year

also you guys werent here when I was pushing for an absolute cracked matchup

Usopp v Queen

[formal wagon]

whos the oldest weevil fan

[ashen perch]

Oda

[formal wagon]

woah

that hit

[torn ferry]

oda isnt stupid

usopp will get something soon

[ashen perch]

he will get everything really

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[urban lodge]

Idk he definitely is sometimes

[ashen perch]

Year of Usopp

Usopp's Year

[dapper tree]

I was gonna do that

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[formal wagon]

year of chekhov's second giant sword

[ashen perch]

thank you for the endorsement btw Johto

I can now declare myself THE Supreme Commander

[formal wagon]

no

[vital heart]

That was last year…. My friend

[ashen perch]

fuck

Its 2026

[formal wagon]

daaaamn

[ashen perch]

I mean year as in like

a time period

in the last 365 days

you know

[ornate tartan]

who is the biggest usopp fan

[ashen perch]

me

[brittle basin]

not me

i like him though

but i like all the SHs

[ornate tartan]

ppl think i’m a usopp hater because i said he’s not picking up or using ragnir

[warm fossil]

arsal wrap it up man you're not that guy

[formal wagon]

gu

[ornate tartan]

he can do much better things

[ashen perch]

but anyways, I think everyone is indeed being silly, Vibe is right. Oda is not stupid. If you have paid any amount of attention to the arc or the series, you know whats coming

[torn ferry]

why would he pick up ragnir

[brittle basin]

I believe in you, Arsal.

[formal wagon]

your what

what is going on

[brittle basin]

autocorrect whoopsie

[ashen perch]

MOMENTS, not moment. It won't be one thing, it won't even be just two things, its gonna keep coming

[formal wagon]

MOMENTS? i hope they're hype and theres aura

[pseudo gulch]

Do I need to pull up all my messages

[formal wagon]

hypemomentsandaurahypemomentsandaura

[brittle basin]

Usopp Fucking Kills Imu. UFKI

[ashen perch]

Usopp's years, is what I will be saying after this year ends

[ornate tartan]

👀

[ashen perch]

because we will be entering the 2nd year of Usopp

[formal wagon]

lets see who has the higher quantity of ussopp messages

[ornate tartan]

harald sword

[formal wagon]

to decide who is the truesopper

[pseudo gulch]

FORGERY

[warm fossil]

(its not close)

[ashen perch]

this would be unfair tbf

[pseudo gulch]

You just committed a crime, Usopp fans is this who you want as your leader???

[ashen perch]

yeah??

I lie like my goat

thats his whole thing

youre the fake fan getting offended at lying here

[brittle basin]

he's got you there

[formal wagon]

hows that

[sturdy steeple]

Bro Johto he kind of got you there yeah

[warm fossil]

arsal i'm gonna be honest you could've claimed you were the no.1 akainu fan and had about as much backup for the claim

[dapper tree]

you guys are fighting over a pile of scraps

[pseudo gulch]

Bruh that's not an excuse

[formal wagon]

Johto has more mentions despite less than half the messages

[brittle basin]

I only fight over what matters. Like Stussy.

[pseudo gulch]

CHECKMATE

[formal wagon]

so even if its unfair because arsal has twice the messages johto wins

[ashen perch]

Nah cause I have never liked Akainu, Shuron is the closest anyone's ever convinced me to like Akainu and I still think I am hallucinating about that whole thing

[torn ferry]

105 volumes is NOT a pile of scraps

[formal wagon]

akainu is goated

[pseudo gulch]

You're a real one mailbox

[ashen perch]

incorrect

[formal wagon]

bro

its over

[pseudo gulch]

I (just like Usopp) WIN

[ashen perch]

checkmate.

[formal wagon]

oh i cant see the spoiler 2 chat messages

[pseudo gulch]

Compare it to the number of messages sent

I got the better Usopp per message ratio

[ashen perch]

well like I said, I have been a quieter Usopp fan

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah you better keep being one then

[pseudo gulch]

Stay in your lane then

[warm fossil]

both of you fake ngl

[torn ferry]

accident

[pseudo gulch]

You can have him 😭 🙏

[formal wagon]

damn i need to step up my game i only have 1k weevil messages and 1.6 akainu messages

discord search is to weak for me to figure out teach mentions

[ashen perch]

I like to spread what I talk out between different characters that I like, like I cant just always talk about one character

[ornate tartan]

are yall on mobile or pc

mine only says 1000+😂

[ashen perch]

I like a LOT of characters, I love every single SH

[formal wagon]

WEAK

[warm fossil]

can't do that and be the head of the clan

[pseudo gulch]

That's hard because I refer to him both as teach and bb, but I also talk about bloodborne as bb

[ashen perch]

when the time is right, I will be here to be the no.1 Chopper fan

or the Nami fan

soon btw

[formal wagon]

dude no

[pseudo gulch]

Bro is just a bandwagoner

[warm fossil]

actual fakest fan ever

[pseudo gulch]

I bet you were a Warriors fans in 2017

[sturdy steeple]

Pick your lane and stay there dude

[ornate tartan]

this server is filled w BB fans

[urban lodge]

If you're a fan of every character you're a fan of none

[thick mango]

its hard not to be a fan of bb

[sturdy steeple]

BB is awesome though so yeah

[ashen perch]

well not every character, I am a fan of every SH

[ornate tartan]

oh yea he’s good

[pseudo gulch]

He's so good

[ashen perch]

they are Oda's best, it makes sense

[ornate tartan]

i’m talkin favorites

[torn ferry]

a person who thinks all the time

[formal wagon]

blackbeard is my favorite

[ornate tartan]

who’s favorite character is zoro or sanji

[ashen perch]

I love Sanji

[sturdy steeple]

tbh you guys can just share your spots you know

[formal wagon]

repulsive

[pseudo gulch]

Isn't Sanji keeper's favorite character

[sturdy steeple]

Just like I share my fan position with Mip on Monet

[ornate tartan]

Arsal who is your favorite character in the series tho, is it usopp?

[torn ferry]

i am sanjis favourite character

[ashen perch]

Robin

[sturdy steeple]

It's Zoro lol

[formal wagon]

arsal BETRAYED ROBIN

[pseudo gulch]

Oh LOL

[formal wagon]

i wonder who the new number 1 robin fan is

[pseudo gulch]

Why did I think that

[sturdy steeple]

Jinbei is better than both anyways

[pseudo gulch]

Did you have a Sanji pfp once?

[ornate tartan]

Johto ur fav character is usopp rite

[pseudo gulch]

Yep

[thick mango]

best strawhat - robin
best villain - bb
best warlord - kuma
best minor char - morgans

[sturdy steeple]

I had a Jean Otus pfp from Acca 13 that everyone confused with Sanji

[formal wagon]

my favorite character is chekhov's secodn giant sword

true goat

[pseudo gulch]

That's it then

[ashen perch]

(he is lying)

[ornate tartan]

adood wbu, who’s ur favorite character

[pseudo gulch]

Such a well written character, the backstory was so tragically beautiful

[pseudo gulch]

Like my favorite character no?

[warm fossil]

kureha

[torn ferry]

CLEARLY LYING

[sturdy steeple]

I'm not lying

Google Jean Otus

[ornate tartan]

rare pick

[formal wagon]

Best Pirate Blackbeard
Best Marine Akainu
Best Revolutionary
Best citizen Dalton
Best leopard Lucci

[ashen perch]

still me actually

[formal wagon]

well no

[sturdy steeple]

I mean yeah I do like Zoro the most, you got me there

[formal wagon]

number 1 robin fan wouldn't have an usopp pfp

thats like max number 30 robin fan

[torn ferry]

foiled again

this isnt the last of me

[ashen perch]

I am like the no.1 SH fan here, its a lost art in the modern day fanbase

[sturdy steeple]

It's last of us

[torn ferry]

Remastered

[ashen perch]

Zoro sucks tho

[pseudo gulch]

Best pirate: Usopp
Best marine: Usopp
Best revolutionary: Usopp
Best civilian: Usopp
Best writer: Usopp

[ashen perch]

so every SH minus Zoro

[sturdy steeple]

Fuck you say about Zoro

[ashen perch]

HE SUCKS

[formal wagon]

no its not bro 😭 its like the most normal mainstream take

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah yeah keep talking fake fan

Unlike you I don't switch my favs

ZORO FOR LIFE

[ashen perch]

your heart's not in this Keep, I know

[sturdy steeple]

They took it from me

[formal wagon]

Best royal knight Chaka

[ashen perch]

no one can pretend to like Zoro, that kind of thing is accidental

[warm fossil]

are there any real zoro fans left...

[formal wagon]

bro if chaka joined

bro if chaka joined

so fire

[torn ferry]

like from

[formal wagon]

🔥

[torn ferry]

alabasta

[formal wagon]

yeah

[ashen perch]

yeah that guyy

[sturdy steeple]

I will say this

I am the only GB fan out here

[ashen perch]

❌

[warm fossil]

alabasta gotta be the best arc that starts with a

[formal wagon]

"this"

[formal wagon]

aegghead

[ashen perch]

you don't know GB like me bud

[formal wagon]

wait nvm that one sucks

[ashen perch]

I know its all an act

[ornate tartan]

keeper zoro ur favorite

[dapper tree]

Can you guys stop fighting over the smallest lands possible

[formal wagon]

i've been a greenbull fan since stupid sbs

he's one of the only ones strong enough to pick up this big ass sword

[sturdy steeple]

I've been a fan before that, literally his introduction

[formal wagon]

wasn't that his intro

[torn ferry]

i will NEVER be a green bull fan

[dapper tree]

I know I am the only shu fan

[ashen perch]

oh well everyone was a fan back then

[formal wagon]

yeah

[sturdy steeple]

But I'm not saying I know him better because that doesn't sound ok

[ashen perch]

that doesnt count

[dapper tree]

[ashen perch]

you have to like him at his most racist to be a real fan

[torn ferry]

bulls cant be green something mighty fishy going on there

[ornate tartan]

akainu clears greenbull badly mailbox

[sturdy steeple]

Absolutely

[formal wagon]

well yeahh

akainu's the goat

[sturdy steeple]

That's why we rock with him dude

[ornate tartan]

greenbull is the only admiral i straight up dislike

i don’t hate the rest

[ashen perch]

hell yeah

[formal wagon]

why

[ornate tartan]

think the admirals are mostly good characters

[formal wagon]

greenbull just got a bit excited

[ornate tartan]

he’s just ass😂

the only cool thing about him is his devil fruit power

[sturdy steeple]

Greenbull is misunderstood

[torn ferry]

what is the reputation redefining sbs actually i havent been keeping up

[warm fossil]

we need another hunger games

[ashen perch]

its all an act, the people arent ready for this

[pine scaffold]

Why is this actually kinda awesome

[formal wagon]

what if instead of hunger games it was thirsty games and you had to drinkwater

[sturdy steeple]

I've done HG last year and no one came so I'm not doing it again

[formal wagon]

just an idea

[ornate tartan]

I actually appreciate Akainu as a character much more and i am starting to like him @formal wagon

[warm fossil]

server's washed

[ornate tartan]

he has potential to have a great backstory

[sturdy steeple]

I think his SBS is quite intriguing yeah

[torn ferry]

theyve ruined the word potential for me

[ornate tartan]

penny who is your favorite character

[sturdy steeple]

Shanks

[ashen perch]

and if they arent loving him at his most racist, they wont be allowed in the fanbase when he reveals its an act

[urban lodge]

Hmm maybe Garp

[warm fossil]

rocks i'm pretty sure

[urban lodge]

Hard to pick

[sturdy steeple]

Oh yeah wait

Rocks

[ornate tartan]

rocks?😂

[ashen perch]

Penny is a big Xebec fan here

[urban lodge]

Yeah love the guy

[sturdy steeple]

Penny you forgot about Rocks

Yeah

[ornate tartan]

i haven’t seen a bigger rocks hater then penny yet, arsal up there too

[hazy echo]

Finally

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBusT0fzX6s

[sturdy steeple]

Penny is just fooling around

[ashen perch]

I dont hate him enough to be one of the biggest haters, I hate him like a mild amount

[ornate tartan]

I think Teach is a better character then Rocks myself

the rocks glaze was sickening

[urban lodge]

I definitely do tho

[ashen perch]

Penny's earned the title of the biggest hater fosho

yea

[urban lodge]

I don't think I've ever hated a one piece character this much

[ornate tartan]

the first couple weeks was crazy

Roger name was dragged like crazy

ppl was tryna say he wasn’t the pirate king😂😂😂😭😭

[urban lodge]

At least I overcame my Shanks hate

Mostly

[ornate tartan]

🔥🔥🔥

[sturdy steeple]

When I think about Rocks I think of "nothingburger"

That's what he is to me

[warm fossil]

[ornate tartan]

Cook

[urban lodge]

Still makes me a little sick how much glaze he gets but at least he's interesting now

[hazy echo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=haipRveZl04

[sturdy steeple]

I have the same opinion on Mihawk

[urban lodge]

Shamrock getting the same treatment already is very funny, the entire marketing of volume 113 was around him and he wasn't even in it

[ashen perch]

yeah been listening to the Egghead OST, Kohei Tanaka has done it again (for the millionth time)

[warm fossil]

i don't dislike rocks but i am really disappointed that this didn't amount to anything

this was so fire

[sturdy steeple]

Tsuda is voicing Shamrock so they had to do him justice

[ashen perch]

he has been hyping up his Elbaf ost recently, cant wait to see what thats gonna be like

[urban lodge]

It's good because we can point and laugh at him for being a bum

[vital heart]

The follow up with this is going to come with blackbeard bro

Blackbeard will be back right there.

[urban lodge]

And the Gunko panel is peak

[torn ferry]

yea figures

[vital heart]

Who tf cares about Gunko.

Genuinely.

Like

[sturdy steeple]

That Egghead ost of Blackbeard is nuts

[vital heart]

Gunko is so irrelevant to me

[sturdy steeple]

I loved it

[vital heart]

Such a boring character

[urban lodge]

Ok meek

[warm fossil]

i might need to update my one piece ost document soon

[pseudo gulch]

Honestly I like it when things like this happen sometimes, it would be boring if everything a character says happens

[warm fossil]

its so outdated

[ornate tartan]

meek who is your favorite character in one piece

[vital heart]

WYPER

[pseudo gulch]

Show me more broken dreams

[torn ferry]

i care about gunko actually

[vital heart]

https://tenor.com/view/wyper-one-piece-wyper-one-piece-sky-island-skypiea-gif-26175628

[sturdy steeple]

Wyper is easily top 10

[vital heart]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-wyper-wyper-one-piece-sky-island-skypiea-gif-26175633

[pseudo gulch]

Twin

[ornate tartan]

wyper ur favorite? that’s unique

he was tough

[vital heart]

If he was a blue sea character, he'd easily be as strong as Luffy/Loki is today. I'm not even joking lmfao

[ornate tartan]

he fits the bill to have conq

[formal wagon]

i've made top 100s a few times but its too hard to sort through all the randoms or even make out the art sometimes to make one now

i wish there was a better website for making tierlists

[hazy echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2a5i8SuhRo

[ashen perch]

I need to make one of those ultra ugly 1400 character tier lists that hurt to look at one day

maybe after a reread

[warm fossil]

https://onepiecetracklist.com/#/1 shoutout to the best site ever

[ornate tartan]

who’s ur favorite?

[hazy echo]

Wyper is cool

[formal wagon]

if i knew how to program i'd make a tierlist website that allows for categories and searching

[torn ferry]

mr 5

[ashen perch]

they havent updated in a while :(

[sturdy steeple]

BB TOP 1

[warm fossil]

they update in chunks

[vital heart]

@ashen perch Speaking of rereads

can I say something

Now that it is 2026

2026 I promised to myself I would read Kagurabachi

[hazy echo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpgvUawI7Dk

[vital heart]

I think the time is now

[ashen perch]

ah

[vital heart]

I AM GOING TO START KAGURABACHI

[pseudo gulch]

LETSGOOOOOOOOOO

[vital heart]

GOODBYE. I WILL BE A REGULAR IN #other-series UNTIL I AM CAUGHT UP.

[ashen perch]

exactly 😭

[torn ferry]

like with minecraft

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/kagurabachi-peak-manga-book-must-read-gif-112071989591438547

[ashen perch]

ok

[pseudo gulch]

Keep me updated

[warm fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2EhLqv4gb4 are there any bangers here

[pseudo gulch]

What was that 👀

[hazy echo]

Lucci and Blackbeard theme

[warm fossil]

yeah one piece is like minecraft

[urban lodge]

Forget Kaguramidchi and read Dorohedoro instead

[frozen aspen]

too long, buggy on top

[hazy echo]

That!s not even the right slander name

[warm fossil]

i don't like most "scary" one piece themes they don't hit

the ones that do hit are crazy tho

[ashen perch]

Kuma's life is the best one there

[hazy echo]

Oh Lucci’s not really like a scary one

[urban lodge]

I didn't put much effort into the slander sorry

[hazy echo]

It’s the one they use for the Luffy vs Lucci fight

[urban lodge]

I actually plan to read it soon

[hazy echo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBusT0fzX6s

[warm fossil]

wait the cross guild have a theme

its cooking highkey

[hazy echo]

Ya

They also have the themes for God Knights and God Valley

[torn ferry]

oh thats why theyre called the god knights

[ashen perch]

Lucci's awakening, BB's new theme, Imu's theme, Lulusia's Annihilation, HK's battle and regular theme, all pretty good

[formal wagon]

vira's theme soon 🥹

[hazy echo]

I’m trying to find the theme they used for the S-Hawk fight

[formal wagon]

then chekhov's seecond giant sword theme

[hazy echo]

Can’t seem to find it

[warm fossil]

no clue why the cross guild theme is serious

what was he cookingi

[hazy echo]

There is the one from the Garp and Aokiji punch too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OaxMeqDo2Q

[ashen perch]

yeah and the one after this, that didnt get used

both good

[sturdy steeple]

Garp's OST is amazing

Oh yeah this one

[hazy echo]

Oh the Galaxy Punch one was reused from Stampede

Toei LOVES this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na8djZNLKmc

[warm fossil]

man back in the day i used to be deep in my one piece ost bag

i used to know everything

i'm washed

[hazy echo]

Calling it now they’re going to use this one for the 6 way blow on Imu

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X_MSHFKu_yU

[brittle basin]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-oh-no-disease-alzheimers-gif-7400313

[warm fossil]

honestly this is pretty mid

[fringe citrus]

As a character, not who is stronger, do you think Zoro or Sanji are written better?

[woven talon]

It's an off shoot of One Pace, Halee only really updates it when Pace needs it for new episodes.

[warm fossil]

zoro

[pine scaffold]

Why do the HK's get a theme in egghead

??

[woven talon]

or someone bugs him

[pine scaffold]

or is it just a Garling theme

and not a HK one

[ashen perch]

gotcha

[hazy echo]

Kuma flashback

[ashen perch]

not sure, maybe it played during GV. Sometimes there are tracks that are produced earlier and not used till later as well

[pine scaffold]

Ohhhh right GV

[hazy echo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N9V8ghGvv0c

[pine scaffold]

Should be the circus theme song

but this is cool

[ornate tartan]

sb who is your favorite character?😂

[hazy echo]

Ya https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpgvUawI7Dk

[pine scaffold]

Idk

[ornate tartan]

in OP

[ashen perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPzhtkZbYrw&list=OLAK5uy_lz4jgNu3IQ6emoL5cxltMpXZCzys3OxS4&index=39

[ornate tartan]

oh yeah makes sense

[brittle basin]

Whoever is currently popular.

[ashen perch]

banger

[pine scaffold]

I've always liked Saturn

[ornate tartan]

u have a new goat every 2 weeks😭😭

[pine scaffold]

why do people keep saying this?

[ornate tartan]

interesting pick

[pine scaffold]

I was supporting Rocks for 6 months straight

its not every 2 weeks man

[ornate tartan]

saturn is easily the most evil gorosei

[thick mango]

nah hes gonan be the least evil

[ornate tartan]

but he’s the only one we got any insight on

so the others could be worse

[still mason]

The postTS glowup is so good

[thick mango]

i guarantee hes not the worst

[brittle basin]

Garling seems pretty evil too

[pine scaffold]

Once the series is over, he'll be the only ''fleshed out'' gorosei

We aren't having whole arcs for the others

he'll be the best written once the series is done

[dapper tree]

cope

[thick mango]

you dont deal with the most evil officer first thats just not how stories go. The most evil guy is last or second to last. Sometimes one of those two is the regretful guy who still cant leave their position for whatever reason

[ornate tartan]

i hope not at least

we need more details on all of them

[brittle basin]

None of the Gorosei will be fleshed out enough for me to care. They're not written in a way to be reedemable, even as far as villains go.

[warm fossil]

every goroseis gonna have a long ass 1v1 that will involve a flashback

[ornate tartan]

ju peter

[pine scaffold]

We arent getting as much as Saturn tho

is what im saying

[thick mango]

im sure they will have projects like saturn did with pacifistas. Theres no way saturn had the only real job out of all 5 of them and we're getting him out first

[pine scaffold]

Saturn will always be the gorosei with the most screentime

[thick mango]

nah i think saturn will have the least.

[brittle basin]

You barely got anything with him. Breadcrumbs at most. Low bar to clear.

[thick mango]

nah

[pine scaffold]

because hes the most important

Bye!

[ashen perch]

this just simply isnt true lol, Saturn will be the one with the most screentime maybe I guess

[ornate tartan]

nusjuro will def have some sb

[native cloud]

Lol not really

[dapper tree]

saturn barely has any info tho

[ornate tartan]

i only said that based off what we have seen
but we haven’t seen as much from the others so idk why i said that

[native cloud]

Exactly

[dapper tree]

factually wrong considering he's dead

[pine scaffold]

Not as much as Saturn

I'm sorry to break it to you, but the only time we see the Gorosei now is final war

[thick mango]

people if you got 5 officers you dont kill first the most evil or most important or one whos going to get the most focus/info. Its just not how stories go

[ashen perch]

All the Gorosei fights are gonna go very long, those are the last 6 fights of the entire series along with Imu. Each with a flashback or two accompanying them to flesh them out as characters.

[thick mango]

have yall read a story before, when has that ever happened

[brittle basin]

At least Gandhi is cool in his visuals and actions. The rest can jump into the ocean for all I care.

[ornate tartan]

Garling is going to have the most focus

idk how much the other 4 will have in comparison

[pine scaffold]

Yeah but nobody really cares about him since he lost at GV

sooooo

[warm fossil]

wheel of time 💔

[pine scaffold]

also he doesnt count as a Gorosei, hes new

I'm talking about the og 5

[ashen perch]

Garling isnt necessarily going to have more focus lol

[brittle basin]

the less the gorosei do, the better. Save Garling I guess. Because the Gorosei are best when they are mysterious, only moving the world like pieces on a chess board. Giving them screentime may not have been the wisest decision, at least in the actioney way Oda did.

[ashen perch]

Nusjuro is Zoro's opponent, he wins

in everything.

[native cloud]

Why would you word this like that?? I still think someone of them will betray Imu case why Garlings introduction.

[ashen perch]

hey take this to #western-series

[pine scaffold]

I'm just glad Saturn by EOS will be the best written one

[brittle basin]

Garling will at least have more narrative attention. The readers are probably more curious about him than the rest, though maybe less so after GV.

[dapper tree]

stop just saying these types of things

[ashen perch]

not possible anymore. Imu knows and sees everything.

[warm fossil]

wot || idk I haven't reached the end yet but Ishmael gets dropped immediately and he has the most hype||

[native cloud]

Yeah??

[pine scaffold]

Obviously people will disagree with me

nobody likes Saturn cuz of what he did

[thick mango]

this is why people say you have a new goat every week cause you take it all the way to 11 and then have to back off when a new mroe exciting goat appears

[urban lodge]

Saturn is a pretty solid villain

[pine scaffold]

Liked Saturn for a very long time

[native cloud]

Out of all the Gorosei SB you chose Saturn as your favourite??

[pine scaffold]

its not a new thing

OG's arent in this chat fr

[brittle basin]

You just don't know enough about Saturn. He's an asshole, whoopty doo, they all are.

[pine scaffold]

We know tons about Saturn

He even had his own free will

[native cloud]

What did you just say rn??

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/justin-bieber-it’s-not-clocking-to-you-it’s-not-clocking-to-you-that-i’m-standing-on-business-it’s-not-clocking-to-you-that-i’m-standing-on-business-is-it-justin-bieber-clock-gif-15082168833272697174

[pine scaffold]

People forget Saturn was at GV too lol

none of the other gorosei

[ruby cape]

we seen saturn die what other opp youve seen die

i dont recall

GOAT

[dapper tree]

"people forget saturn", yup they sure do

[ruby cape]

https://tenor.com/view/st-saturn-transformation-st-saturn-anime-st-saturn-one-piece-gif-16258868980469065713

[still mason]

Bluejam died pretty sure

[brittle basin]

no we know Saturn was at GV 'cause Imu possessed them

[pine scaffold]

He was doing tons of stuff before this lol

[native cloud]

SB you don’t know out of the 5 Saturn was the weakest one right??

[brittle basin]

Saturn is basically
-I had a widdle secret 200 years ago
-I did terrible experiments on Ginny
-I look like big purple spider

[pine scaffold]

He was overseeing the event with Garling and attacked Kuma

and we had one of Kuma's best moments

[brittle basin]

That was more about Kuma than Saturn

Actually, that was more about Ginny and Bonney

[pine scaffold]

?

it was about Kuma and Saturn but ok

[thick mango]

I don't know if it will be all 5 of the new ones but at least 2-3 will have more info than Saturn and be involved with even more impactful projects than the pacifista

[brittle basin]

Getting revenge on Saturn for the horrors committed on Ginny and subsequently Bonney are part of the package and probably something Kuma cares far more about than himself considering how selfless he was.

[dapper tree]

saturn be like "I am a man of science" then got outsmarted 3 times in a row

[pine scaffold]

He was caught off guard

[native cloud]

Lol

[pine scaffold]

its not his fault

[dapper tree]

3 times in a row

[thick mango]

Warcury as justice may be involved with the marines which could be big

[brittle basin]

Saturn and Kidd, getting caught off-guard: 🤝

[fringe citrus]

I personally think Sanji is better written, as he was way more flaws, and a much more in-depth back story, plus you see his growth much more noticeably throughout the series. For example, Zoro was at a dojo, kept on loosing fights against his best mate, she fell down the stairs, and now he wants to be strong. Whereas Sanji, he was born into a family where his father decided to immorally mold them into inhumane wealons with no emotions whatsoever. His mother stopped this via the use of drugs which kill her in the process, but the drugs only affected Sanji, hence he keeps his emotions, but lacks the superhuman side. Due to his lack of strength, he gets bullied by his enhanced siblings, with no end in sight. He is seen as a disgrace to his family and a failure. However... Not all hope is lost. His sister, Reiju, who laughed at him just like the others, cares for him. She feels sympathy. But she also has superhuman powers, so she isn't a disgrace, however she cant go against their tyrannical father's word, and must follow him and obey him daily. She helps him escape, and escape he does. He boards a ship, stows away... But the ship was raided by some pirates who took care of him instead. However, he hjts yet another stroke of bad luck —a storm sinks their ship, and he's left stranded on a deserted island with the captain. The Captain gives him all the food, and eats his own leg instead. After days of near-starvation, they board a ship, go to island, and buy their own ship, to make a sea restaurant. The Captain then teaches him both fighting prowess, cooking skills and morals and becomes his mentor. See how much harder that hits?

[scenic dirge]

People forget Saturn was at GV??? Guess I just dreamed Imu taking over his body

[urban lodge]

Tbf he got outsmarted by the smartest guy on the planet

[brittle basin]

I'm perfectly OK with Oda just ignoring the Gorosei going forward. I'm good. I want other lore stuff instead.

[pine scaffold]

even Roger would get outsmarted by VP

lets be real

this isnt a power thing

[wraith mantle]

i miss one piece

[fringe citrus]

That took me 7 mins to think about and write😭💔

[scenic dirge]

Can you teach me gymnastics

[ashen perch]

I mean at some point action was inevitable. They are the pinnacle of the world that have tried what they can to stablize their rule, but things were always going to become unsustainable at some point to force them off their lofty perchs. You simply cannot keep moving pieces on a chessboard forever. It started with Saturn going to Egghead to clean up his own messes and VP took it so far that they and now even Imu has to act. This always felt like the endpoint of them to me. Also meta argument but they clearly were always designed like classic Shonen final bosses who were gonna be uber powerful.

[wraith mantle]

chapter is next week right?

[scenic dirge]

No

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/holding-a-basketball-michael-jordan-mj-jordan-chicago-bulls-gif-16999943

[scenic dirge]

If you mean a new chapter

[wraith mantle]

yeah

[ashen perch]

likely not, unless it gets leaked early again

[wraith mantle]

ok leakers do your thing

[ashen perch]

but worstgen didnt seem to think so atleast, and he's a leaker himself

[pulsar timber]

Hello Evan

[scenic dirge]

This is the worst time of year for one piece because Oda thinks his birthday and “wellbeing” is more important than giving us chapters

[fringe citrus]

Yeah I actually love gymnastics I'm self taught. Can do one handed cartwheels and stuff+ I'm a boy which is pretty rare for boys :P (dunno whether you were being serious or not but there)

[brittle basin]

I had a discussion with Bean about this a while back where I was on your side and he was thinking they would only stay politicians with no power. In hindsight, I think I'm going to go back on my original thoughts and agree with him. I almost wish Oda had utilized the God's Knights or something instead for Egghead.

[scenic dirge]

Be quiet

[wraith mantle]

i wonder if oda actually celebrates his birthday

[distant vine]

Zoro

[warm fossil]

yo muk

[ashen perch]

The poltiician idea feels like it simply does not belong in One Piece ngl to you

[fringe citrus]

Do yall agree tho?

[pulsar timber]

Lovely weather we’re having

[distant vine]

No

[pulsar timber]

Yo Adood

[ashen perch]

that is simply not in the nature of this series

[fringe citrus]

Zoro is cooler but he's not as well written imo

[warm fossil]

do you have the product

[scenic dirge]

I was serious. I’ve been getting into calisthenics and I want to be able to do some simple gymnastic moves coz I’ve never been able to 🙁

[brittle basin]

But it's mostly because the Gorosei did not feel as powerful as one would expect, relying so heavily on regeneration. Perhaps my thoughts would be different if they felt far more threatening.

[distant vine]

Now that I established that I'll read what you said

[ashen perch]

I have always been against it, and its never made any amount of sense to me. Every arc has the big final boss and his closest uber powerful commanders. The Gorosei being just politicians is simply not One Piece at all

[brittle basin]

That was my original thought too.

But I think I'm gonna backpeddle on that in this particular instance.

[fringe citrus]

What specific exercises have you been attempting?

[warm fossil]

having imu be a 1v10 would not be that wild

[pulsar timber]

Never understood why the fanbase couldn’t comprehend the goresei being politicians and fighters

[ashen perch]

is them not feeling as powerful the main issue? because I dont think anything in Egghead was egregious enough to discount them

[pulsar timber]

In a series full of strong old people

Literally had scars and a sword

[scenic dirge]

So far just basic cartwheels lol 😭 I can just about do it but it isn’t very pretty

[pulsar timber]

The goresei will look better in individual fights

They couldn’t do anything too bad because we had to escape

[warm fossil]

Evan that's well above what I expected out of you

[pulsar timber]

Only one who got punked badly was Saturn and that’s because he went against Luffy an emperor

[scenic dirge]

This has to be the funniest thing in hindsight man. Some people were so fucking adamant that they wouldn’t be fighters

[scenic dirge]

Thanks man. My parents said the same thing

[warm fossil]

I am actually your father so it makes sense

[scenic dirge]

True

[ashen perch]

Its classic Oda as well, a little bit of nerfing to ensure that the protagonists cannot just die right here. For the Gorosei, it came in the form of being unfocused on fighting and focused on stopping VP's message instead, it came in the form of obstacle after obstacle to distract them, and then finally in the form of one of that Haki Knot lol

Individually, these 5 are going to be as strong as you originally thought them to be, trust

[fringe citrus]

All good, everyone starts somewhere. So it's not actually that much about arm strength, (cuz I suck at arm wrestles but can do one handed stuff) but about balance and your core. Try to lift your wait up and not put all your effort in your arms.

[brittle basin]

Nothing is too egregious, I think it's me being nitpicky on two fronts, both which are ultimately subjective

1. I personally just thought they would've felt far more threatening. I mean, they did in their own regenerative way, but only Ethan really put fear in me.
2. Super subjective, but despite liking the initial double page spread (I still do), I genuinely don't think there's a single Gorosei form that I find pleasing to the eyes. Ethan's centaur form is probably the only one worthwhile to me. So, in a way, visually I just don't find them intimidating, just very big - I think this all adds to the letdown now that I've been away from Egghead for a bit.

[warm fossil]

mostly came in the form of Saturn forgetting every single one of his attack ngl

man I hate egghead

thank god I skipped the last part idk what I would be doing right now

[ashen perch]

he didnt forget them, he just didnt use them as often

like the eye thing, only once on Luffy

[fringe citrus]

Also try and switch weights from first part of cartwheel (just after you enter) from each palm, whilst still concentrating limited weight in your limbs

[warm fossil]

you're surprisingly helpful for a sanji fan I gotta say

[fringe citrus]

Me?

[warm fossil]

yeah

[fringe citrus]

Ty lol

I've also been doing ballroom and Latin dancing since I was 7 :P

[pulsar timber]

I’m glad this fanbase has finally realized Gandhi is the strongest goresei

Had a scary moment where people believed garling was the strongest

[dapper tree]

but all the gorosei are frauds

[brittle basin]

Garling sadly hasn't looked great a single time except when he was first introduced. You can only hope he makes up for it as a geezer.

[warm fossil]

I mean still entirely possible moustache is top 1

center scaling is unclear

[pulsar timber]

Gandhi is top 1 he’s a Zoro opponent

[warm fossil]

and he might fight a non strawhat

[brittle basin]

Gandhi before or after Mihawk?

[pulsar timber]

The non strawhat clause only works when the opponent isn’t part of the group

After

[warm fossil]

hopefully before

[scenic dirge]

I mean he was almost certainly “nerfed” because he had to be. That’s just the structure of the arc. But we also don’t really know anything about how Saturn’s weird telekinetic powers work so who fuckin knows. People just need to stop being so hard-stuck on the “feats” of egghead and realize that the gorosei were simply there to be the tension of the arc while the protagonists ran away. They will look a lot more coherent and better when they actually get to fight and not just serve as scawy monsters

[brittle basin]

Those telekinetic powers clearly were meant for fodder right?

[warm fossil]

no it doesn't law beat that yucky guy from dressrosa

[pulsar timber]

Trebol wasn’t serious

[dapper tree]

trebol was mentally nerfed

[scenic dirge]

But it was capable of completely paralyzing Sanji so it clearly was very strong. But it’s never elaborated on and Saturn dies at the end so it’s whatever to me

[warm fossil]

doesn't really matter he was still the right hand man

[vital heart]

HEY GUYS

[brittle basin]

Man, that's another thing. When Saturn first arrives and does the eye ability, he felt crazy powerful. And then not much after that. Even Chopper tanked a claw.

[vital heart]

I just read chapter 1 of Kagurabachi

It's lowkey better than Chapter 1 of One Piece

might drop one piece

[pulsar timber]

Weak bait

Do better it’s 2026

[fringe citrus]

Btw Evan its 23:30 for me rn so Imma go sleep but dm me if you need any gymnastics tips or anything like that

[dapper tree]

chopper tanked big mom and that's already a better feat

[warm fossil]

genuinely terrible bait

[scenic dirge]

Will do 🫡 thanks mate

[warm fossil]

like actually awful no joke

[brittle basin]

I think I'm forgetting this moment. OK, perhaps it is ineffective against conq users? Or does Sanji secretely have conq at that poin and is waiting to unleash it in Elbaf?

[fringe citrus]

No problem mate :)

[dapper tree]

The best timeline

[pulsar timber]

Sanji hasn’t had his coc pores opened yet

Will happen this arc

[warm fossil]

there is really no explanation for eye diff never being used again other than it needing to happen for the plot

which sucks

[dapper tree]

he'll be better than zoro at using it

[brittle basin]

I want that Sanji panel, Evan. I'm totally blanking on this moment.

[ashen perch]

1. Eh I disagree, they could have been more impressive but it was genuinely frightening to see all of Luffy's attacks prove ineffective against Warcury, Oda sold his threat level just as well as Nusjuro's. Mars had some cool shots to his name, and had to be basically driven out by a 5 people combo attack because no one was handling him alone. Ju Peter nearly digested Luffy and then easily took out Emeth's whole arm. Saturn has his moments as well against everyone but Luffy.
2. Yeah definitely subjective, but if you liked one hybrid, you are in luck! Only Ethan used his hybrid between him, Warcury, Mars and Ju Peter. So you can wait and see how those will look like, and how they will fight when that time comes. I actually think we arent gonna be seeing these forms much again, because characters tend to rarely use their big animal forms. Keeping them stuck in these forms too was another way to nerf them imo lol

[wraith mantle]

if a character was unreasonably "nerfed" to fit the plot, i think its reasonable for readers to criticize that, no?

[warm fossil]

the thing about sanji getting coc is it means zoro also getting an absolutely massive power up

[ashen perch]

it depends on how they were nerfed

[warm fossil]

cause they need to stay equal

[pulsar timber]

Is dead. Meat-

[brittle basin]

Ah you're right. It's clear VP got hit too. Franky as well? Can't tell as much.

[ashen perch]

I dont think the Gorosei were poorly nerfed, I think Oda was decent at it. There's plenty of excuses I can make for them, and that is a mark of a good nerfing

[scenic dirge]

Sure lol. But I’m talking about the people who thereby extrapolate that into thinking that the gorosei are and will not be serious threats later down the line

[dapper tree]

none of them were nerfed

[pulsar timber]

You think Sanji with coc clears Zoro?

[warm fossil]

well obviously cause sanji without coc is equal

and acoc is a massive ass boost

[dapper tree]

true

[pulsar timber]

The year of Sanji part 2

[wraith mantle]

i mean yeah I agree, i am sure they are strong, and if they ever end up in a spot where they can fight freely without any plot constraints, they should be threatening.

[scenic dirge]

I’m sure that will be the case

[warm fossil]

sanji with acoc (and using it well) is genuinely just admiral level

which zoro will need to match somehow

[dapper tree]

whoa

[scenic dirge]

Zoro is gonna cut harder and it’ll be epic

[dapper tree]

slow down

[ashen perch]

to contrast with this, I think Big Mom in Onigashima is an example of Oda not being good at it at all. You can hardly make excuses for her poor performance, forcing people to focus more on just calling her an idiot.

[warm fossil]

no need I'm correct

acoc is the biggest buff in one piece

[pulsar timber]

Truth nuke

[scenic dirge]

I mean is he even wrong lol? That seems like the next level for Zoro and Sanji. They’ll need to be around that level anyway for the final war

[warm fossil]

Luffy went from sorry ass level 1 crook to level 100 boss yonko with just acoc

[pulsar timber]

Zoros powerup will be a clean durag

[dapper tree]

the next level sure but theres a bit of a gap

[warm fossil]

that gap is acoc

[ashen perch]

Post Elbaf Zoro and Sanji are going to be clashing with admirals equally, I have seen it clearly

[warm fossil]

for sanji that is, idk what it is for zoro

[scenic dirge]

Whatever their next powerups will be will likely make them “admiral level”. What those boosts look like and how naturally they’re attained is irrelevant. That’s just how it has to be

[brittle basin]

These are decent points, though I'm going to assume Ju Peter wouldn't have mattered much since Luffy could fuck up Kaido's insides like a balloon. However, we also have the argument that Luffy did not put everything he had into this fight; I think the closest we got was him and Bonney pummeling Saturn full of holes. But I guess he chose not to use conq at that point? It does make me wonder how powerful they will seem when Zoro and Sanji come at them knowing how to defeat them. For your second point, that is true - I will hold out further opinion until I see the hybrids, but they better be really cool.

[warm fossil]

zoro been doing that since stampede catch up

[scenic dirge]

As he said, Luffy literally got like 100x stronger in the space of a few hours

Because he had to

[ashen perch]

equally

[warm fossil]

fujitora never even landed a hit

and then he ran away

[pulsar timber]

Admiral fandom gonna have a genuine meltdown when we see Zoro clash with greenbull or something

[brittle basin]

But Mars' defense is a good point. He was definitely a problem for Luffy. Could ryou easily get through that though?

We know Emet could knock off a tusk.

[warm fossil]

all the defensive feats from the gorosei are ultra fake as nobody was using acoc

[urban lodge]

He used red roc so ryuo doesn't work

[brittle basin]

Yeah, that was a point I made too. Was Luffy using any conq save against Kizaru (white star gun?)

[scenic dirge]

With all the crazy shit we’ve seen in recent years why do people still talk like admiral level is some otherworldly level of power for the main fighters of the series? That’s just where we’re at in the story. It’s end game battle shonen time

[warm fossil]

no

[urban lodge]

Acoc is still a mystery though but because of how unbelievably stupid it would be if he didn't use it I choose to believe he did

And didn't use enough mass or whatever

[warm fossil]

white star gun is the only acoc usage from Luffy in egghead

[pulsar timber]

Can’t admit their goats are washed (like LeBron and the lakers)

[brittle basin]

how do we visually know if he did or did not use ryou? Does Oda ususally show it not connecting, like with Kaido?

[scenic dirge]

Lebron is super washed. Get him off my team

52 million a year for a 41 year old

[graceful belfry]

My goat, Warcury, didn’t even need to regenerate. Took a Red Roc straight to the dome and kept it pushing

[brittle basin]

"My goat"
is a pig

smh

[scenic dirge]

Wait that’s so true

[urban lodge]

The only visual indicator is the fire but we know it's the Ryuo variation of Elephant Gun

[graceful belfry]

My boar

[warm fossil]

everybody and their mom is tanking a no acoc red roc

[scenic dirge]

He got you there rei

[graceful belfry]

My swine

[wraith mantle]

surely luffy was using acoc

like

[warm fossil]

he wasn't

[wraith mantle]

didnt toei give him the acoc streaks

[warm fossil]

there shouldnt even be an argument there were no indicators

[wraith mantle]

i trust toei with this

[brittle basin]

we know
not me
I might be blind

[scenic dirge]

I mean we don’t really know the extent of it during egghead. The escape is kind of all over the place and I’m fairly certain the intricacies of it was not Oda’s top priority. I think he just wanted to introduce these crazy monsters and have them make the good guys run away. How that looked was whatever. And we know ACoC doesn’t negate the regen. It seems to just slow it down. So Luffy probably just didn’t land enough hits anyway to slow it down enough even if we were to assume he was using ACoC

[urban lodge]

Tbf we can't tell because of any indicators either, it's just the more he used against Kaido

[ashen perch]

Lack of Haki indicators aside (Oda is terrible at this), Luffy's own words contradict the idea that he was holding back, he is frustrated many times that NOTHING he is doing is working on them, screaming in agony over his ineffective attacks against Warcury, and he was doing nothing whilst he is stuck in Ju Peter's until Dorry and Brogy bail him out too. He badly struggles against them and so does everyone else. Only Saturn really gets bullied by him and he admits that Luffy's powers were just far too tricky for him.

But yea, when its time for their individual fights, that is when they will be allowed to fully show what they can do, including their hybrids and how they actually fight, etc so yeah, definitely hold out your opinion till then.

[pulsar timber]

Trusting Toei

[ashen perch]

I believe yea, they also gave Bonney ACoC streaks though

so uh

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-treyreloaded-gif-9565399869601644926

[ashen perch]

yeah

[urban lodge]

I choose to trust Toei over Oda in this instance because him not using it is the most nonsensical stupid thing in the world

[wraith mantle]

maybe she chose a future where she had ACOC

[warm fossil]

I think Luffy just can't use acoc and G5 together for any long amount of time before passing out

[ashen perch]

it makes no sense, Luffy wouldnt be screaming crying throwing up about everything being ineffective against them if he wasnt using ACoC

[pulsar timber]

Toei literally fails to follow the manga often

They are not to be trusted

They’ve gotten so much crap wrong

[strong wadi]

This is why you and the copers were praying gaban had some secret sauce but the secret sauce is just "use CoC"

[warm fossil]

it doesn't have to make sense it made it to the volumes with no acoc indicators

he canonically did not use acoc

[ashen perch]

no haki indicator has ever been fixed in volume releases

because Oda doesnt care

[scenic dirge]

Some of Luffy’s attacks against them weren’t the type to incorporate much haki anyway. Like the baseball swing and building throw

[urban lodge]

It's use MORE acoc ackshually

[warm fossil]

at the end of day it's clear what will beat warcury will just be acoc infused attacks lol

[ashen perch]

Gorosei will be different

[wraith mantle]

i think coc works only on holy robbos

but the elders may have a stronger pact, with regen that can't be egated by "just use coc lol"

[pulsar timber]

Holy Robbos is nasty work

[ashen perch]

They have a stronger seal, and they all have ACoC

[pulsar timber]

Yeah I imagine the defense gets better the higher you are

[brittle basin]

It's strange 'cause Saturn is tricky and has things like the bomb detonating spitball things but Luffy can just smack them with a bat he imagines (without exploding on contact with the bat? probably just gear 5 humor plus me overthinking). I knew you would mention Dorry and Brogy but I still think Luffy could've escaped that worm's stomach. As for going all out, maybe you're right. But after Kaido, when I think of Luffy pushing the limit, I think of Bajrang Gun. Granted, that's a last desperation attack probably.

[pulsar timber]

Based on imu ranking the strongest attack in the series

Tanking

[wraith mantle]

yeah and as arsal said, elders probably used ACOC defense

[scenic dirge]

I do think the “solution” to the regen being ACoC is pretty lazy just overall. But I think people dwell on the egghead escape way too much. It was used to introduce this new crazy enemy and power and it had to remain mysterious for the sake of the narrative. That being said, I do think Oda doing that probably should have resulted in him making a more fitting solution but idk

[brittle basin]

I think conq is going to work on all immortals. It has to at this point.

[stone terrace]

Imu ranks top 5 strongest op attacks

[brittle basin]

i don't like it, but it is what it is

[stone terrace]

If they were using acoc defense luffy wouldve called it out btw

"Theyre using conquerors haki to defend!"

[pulsar timber]

Is imu the best powerscaler ever? He has been around 800 years to perfect the craft

[trim lily]

would he have

[stone terrace]

He's a supposed battle genius remember. Selectively...

[scenic dirge]

But I do think the distinction of ACoC mostly SLOWING their regen rather than completely negating it could be pretty meaningful in fights against these fuckers

[trim lily]

its weird that oda made that distinction

as in you just have to keep hitting them with it to eventually outdamage the regen

[scenic dirge]

If it was purely that ACoC could completely bypass the regen to the point where they simply didn’t regen from attacks then yea lol, that’d be awful

[brittle basin]

That means you just gotta do this: Mass Haki™

[scenic dirge]

Haki 2

[trim lily]

its been kind of funny seeing people use the word mass now

[scenic dirge]

[brittle basin]

how does Oda do it?

[sweet anvil]

Oda when you tell him to be creative with haki and fights and that he can’t keep just making acoc the solution

[trim lily]

im like 95% sure that just means putting more oomph behind your hits

[ashen perch]

Saturn just seemed so thoroughly unmatched against him lol, even his big eyeblast only stretched back Luffy's head till it snapped right back in place. He really just had no idea what to do to him lol. Also I think Dorry and Brogy's arrival was supposed to be a big rescue tbh but I understand. Also as for Bajrang Gun, thats not something he can really do on Egghead cause it would destroy the entire island lol. I think he was still going all out even if he didnt go that far

[pulsar timber]

We don’t even have 13 coc users alive that’s fighting on our side so I’m sure there will be a different way

[trim lily]

surely oda wouldnt be that shortsighted

[stone terrace]

Also its

1. Bajrang gun
2. Blazing bagua
   Massive gap
3. Anything whitebeard does
4. Meigou
5. Divine departure (shanks)

[ashen perch]

I feel like theres gonna be a thing that will just disable the abyss, that will be the real solution

[trim lily]

im so confident itll just be luffy/nika

[ashen perch]

whatever that thing may be

[distant vine]

I guess I would say it felt like a stalemate

[trim lily]

he'll use his iconic White™ powers to undo the abyss

[scenic dirge]

Well tbf, not all the HKs need to be defeated outright. My assumption is that once Imu is out of the picture, everyone with the abyss mark either withers away or just lose their powers. So you can have some of the less relevant HKs just be stalled by random side characters or something

[ashen perch]

it could be a thing Luffy could do, but regardless, it will be something that will make things more fair for everyone

[brittle basin]

Actually, at one point I think Saturn was going to kill Luffy, but Franky saved him before a poisoned claw dug into Luffy. I'm not sure if either Luffy or Saturn were going all out, and I guess now I'll never know with Saturn. But when/if we see more Gorosei fights in the future, and they do a lot more crazy stuff I'll naturally assume Saturn was close to that kind of power too.

[distant vine]

Oda please let Law use Death Surgery on the Gorosei

Or even Imu

[ashen perch]

because lets think about it, theres no way there isnt gonna be a massive domi reversi army that is numbered in the hundreds of thousands at some point

[trim lily]

man i hate that it might be how oda deals with the problem of the CDs

[brittle basin]

Anything Whitebeard does.
Mods. Get him.

[pulsar timber]

I don’t think Oda would do that. He will have the holy knights defeated and incapacitated in my opinion. Then when imu dies they die for good. Don’t see them being stalled and that’s it

[scenic dirge]

Well I don’t think all the HKs will be that prominent

[strong wadi]

I bring you, the counter to Domi Reversi...

[ashen perch]

there isnt enough ACoC users for all that, so the solution will be something that will simply make em normal

killable

[pulsar timber]

This will end like kaido. Was invincible to physical crap and then kid goes and choke slams him

[scenic dirge]

There’s gonna be so many fucking background characters in the final war that are gonna be doing passive shit offscreen. Like how it was in Wano but doubled

[brittle basin]

Bello Betty, my absolutely beloved. My (other) queen. I kneel.

[pulsar timber]

Might be a weaker way but it’s a way

Either way I’m just here for the ride

[stone terrace]

Domi reversi isnt necessarily only beatable by acoc

Remember rocks himself was an acoc user

[trim lily]

yeah but it was acoc which apparently got rid of it

[urban lodge]

The CDs won't be Domi Reversi'd (they'll get their souls sucked by Imu instead like Moria with the zombie shadows)

[brittle basin]

None of you are ready for Bello Betty, I swear to all that is holy she will be one of the main figures behind the revolution with her DF (what if it awakens too?).

[trim lily]

unless imu just turned it off for some reason

[urban lodge]

But yeah Oda will take the easy solution

[pulsar timber]

All the tobi roppo got fights though. And they are the holy knights of the beast pirates. I can totally see some fights for them. If we have 8, we can subtract gunko when she dies or gets freed, and shamrock is getting himself a major fight. So it’s 6 tobi roppos essentially. Not much

[stone terrace]

I seriously doubt dorry and broggy and the ithers will require anything more than being beaten until it fades

[ashen perch]

Saturn could simply be the weakest and least experienced as a fighter tbh, I really dont think he could do anything to Luffy (who also couldnt do anything either lol). He wasnt lying to Imu when he talks about his powers being too much for him

[stone terrace]

Unless theyre secretly acoc users

[trim lily]

im pretty sure itll be luffy and/or bonney undoing it

[pulsar timber]

Saturn is unc it’s ok. Literally had a performative walking cane

[trim lily]

the reversi imagery feels like its too obviously setting that up

[scenic dirge]

Xebec being Domi’d so easily is kind of …

[trim lily]

something something homeland

[urban lodge]

It's bad but not because it was easy but because Oda couldn't made him do anything bad without it because he's so wholesome chungus

[ruby cape]

tbf you gotta give him credit for maintaining a conversation whilst having demonic traits

[scenic dirge]

Luffy really gonna be the only person immune to it istg

[pulsar timber]

My king doing this after taking the strongest attack in the series

[ruby cape]

But holy Imu is broken

[ashen perch]

have you seen the idea that he didnt actually have functioning legs? its making a lot of sense

[brittle basin]

Huge fear of mine. No doubt everyone can get domi'd, adv conq user or not.

[scenic dirge]

Yea

[trim lily]

didnt even take damage, xebec w

[brittle basin]

Maybe only Luffy can counter it

[pulsar timber]

Yeah I could get behind that

[scenic dirge]

It proves no one is immune from it no matter how strong they are unless there’s some Nika bullshit

[ashen perch]

yeah, its a cool idea

[trim lily]

we're just gonna go back and forth with imu reversing someone and luffy undoing it

[ashen perch]

Homeland. Theory.

[brittle basin]

Or maybe Imu is just too powerful and thus it is necessary BB sneakily kills them (or perhaps his DF negats the domi effect).

[scenic dirge]

Tf is homeland theory

[brittle basin]

Oh I forgot about this one. That is still possible, right?

[ashen perch]

ofc yeah

[brittle basin]

Domi only works if it's in the land you were born. And so far, that's all we've seen happen. Giants in Elbaf, and Rocks on GV.

[scenic dirge]

Lmfao?

[ashen perch]

the idea that you can only be Domi Reversi'd in your homeland Evan. The Davy Clan, Xebec, the Giants, all have followed this so far

[brittle basin]

now, to be fair, I do think it's a dumb excuse, but it makes sense based on what we've seen so far.

[ashen perch]

and Domi Reversi, when translated to English means "I have come home" or something like that

[scarlet nacelle]

alright but i feel like this theory is subject to fall apart very quickly if not outright confirmed soon

[brittle basin]

it's one of the weridest nerfs ever

[scenic dirge]

Honestly atp who am I to say that sounds dumb 😭

[brittle basin]

no it was another language right?

[ionic palm]

ye thats all we've seen so far. And it does make sense.

also, none of the known affected victims of DR have been DF users, so DF users might potentially be immune.

[distant vine]

I think Oda has enough COC users rn?

[scenic dirge]

I mean it does sound dumb but it may actually be the case somehow who fucking knows

[scarlet nacelle]

i mean it is a busted power
restricting it in a weird niche way makes it more interesting

[brittle basin]

maybe not dumb. but it is a nerf with little reasoning behind it

[ashen perch]

from Latin to English is what I mean

[distant vine]

He could even do some 1v2s if he wants

[trim lily]

homeland is kind of a boring limitation but ill take any limitation on domi reversi

[brittle basin]

ah close enough. and knowing Oda, he would reference latin

[ornate tartan]

dolfius who is ur favorite character

[distant vine]

Idk if I want Imu to have a limit on it ngl

[scenic dirge]

Wait what is Shanks’ homeland

Does Marie Geoise count

[ionic palm]

God Valley

[ornate tartan]

GV

[pulsar timber]

God valley no?

[scenic dirge]

Yea…

It is GV

[distant vine]

But I guess he could have attacked the guys around Rocks too if he didnt have a limit

[pulsar timber]

ANOTHER SHANKS WIN

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-shanks-gif-22177715

[brittle basin]

well, to be fair, I'll take that over he can domi reversi the entire world and only Nika's powers can stop him. although maybe Oda can do that and write it well

[trim lily]

uhh its between yamato, gunko, pizarro and maybe akainu

[ornate tartan]

❤️

[scenic dirge]

But I want to cope my way into thinking it could be Marie Geoise so his bitch ass gets Reversi’d

[trim lily]

i cant think of a single one

[stone terrace]

A certain town in the west blue

[wraith mantle]

if homeland theory is true, domi reversi is useless as fuck against 90% of the cast

[pulsar timber]

Shanks hate in 2026

[distant vine]

What if its where you feel home is

[scarlet nacelle]

only nika being able to stop the domi reversi is super contrived

[wraith mantle]

poor loki tho, hes getting domi'd

[distant vine]

So Luffy can only get got on the Sunny

[ashen perch]

thats good

[ornate tartan]

I’ve been asking everyone who their favorite character is😂

[brittle basin]

oh lol actually good point. and anyone traveling.

[pulsar timber]

Well it was never gonna be used against 90% of the cast so does it matter

[ornate tartan]

so if u haven’t said it yet

[distant vine]

Instead of the Goa Kingdom

[ornate tartan]

who is ur favorite character

[scenic dirge]

I think people are using it to theorize that Imu is gonna turn all the CDs in Marie Geoise into a Domi army

Or something like that

[distant vine]

Zoro

[ionic palm]

eh maybe not, none of the victims of DR have been DF users so far

[ruby cape]

EVERYONE gettin domid but Luffy 💔💔💔

[stone terrace]

Kidding yourself if you think nika isnt straight up immune

[scenic dirge]

Need

[pulsar timber]

Boring but Luffy. He’s just the goat. Outside of him it’s kaido. Loki and some others are close

[distant vine]

Having a DF shouldnt be an auto disqualify

[scenic dirge]

Coward

[brittle basin]

Domi army vs Nika army oh lordy

[vapid flower]

[trim lily]

domi reversi (the bottom becomes the top)

[scenic dirge]

NOOO PLEASE NO NIKA ARMY

[vapid flower]

lmao

[scenic dirge]

[ornate tartan]

the most unique answer i got so far is kureha

[distant vine]

Fair enough, lemme change my example then. Imagine Robin only being able to get caught on the Sunny cause she sees that as home

[scarlet nacelle]

imu when he realizes that EVERYONE is technically on their homeland (earth)

[ashen perch]

A big part of the Homeland theory is that the act of piracy itself is a counter to Domi Reversi. Leaving your homeland, setting sail to the seas, that is ensuring your freedom against this all powerful ability centred around Control

I think it makes a lot of sense

[trim lily]

doesnt that make it kind of useless in the future

[brittle basin]

"Give EVERYONE a Nika future" - Awakened Bonney

[ornate tartan]

buffy wbu? who’s ur favorite

[ionic palm]

but considering we havent seen a single DF user fall victim so far, it can be argued that it could be the case where DF users are immune.

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-squad-posse-clique-gif-3790257

[scarlet nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-the-whole-generation-generation-nuke-funny-gif-6559866131259948476

[wraith mantle]

we are nika

[brittle basin]

favorite what?

[trim lily]

though that would mean bonney could get domi reversi'd if she fought in mariejois...

[ornate tartan]

character

[scenic dirge]

Wait that’s not a bad thematic reasoning actually. Well done ArsalGPT

[ashen perch]

Imu won't be needing it much, it is fine. He will have non allpowerful abilties to his name.

[brittle basin]

Magellan

[ashen rose]

That's a good thing, that just means that when he breaks out, he'll get syronger

[distant vine]

Only 3 major characters fell victim to it, I dont think thats enough to make definitive statements

[ornate tartan]

nice pick

[distant vine]

Well, you can theorize if you want, I dont have evidence after all. I just think itd be a lame counter

[wraith mantle]

NOOOO, i want oda to actually give a proper conclusion to the CDs

[desert nest]

I know one

[ashen rose]

You mean kill them all?

[desert nest]

⚔️

[brittle basin]

Wait, hold on. That is the first time I'm reading this part of the theory. I take back what I said.

[ornate tartan]

Chapa what ab u
who’s ur favorite character

[wraith mantle]

up to oda, but dont just make them fuel for imu

[trim lily]

moral problems are for the weak

[distant vine]

Theyre gonna do community service in Fish-Man Island until they befriend the community.

[ornate tartan]

I think the counter is just Haki

[brittle basin]

If that actually is the reasoning, Arsal, I will worship Oda so hard.

[ashen perch]

that slop machine could never come up with 1% of the shit I do smh

[desert nest]

Ussop 🥳🥳🥳 hbu gang 👀

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/mourinho-gif-20750597

[scenic dirge]

Being Domi’d doesn’t mean certain death tbf

[ornate tartan]

take a wild guess😂

[scenic dirge]

As we saw with Xebec

[desert nest]

You know what’s up Khalid

[scarlet nacelle]

also i just had a thought
if the homeland theory is true then bb is functionally immune to domi reversi
as his homeland (god valley) got destroyed

[brittle basin]

yeah, it just means you're Imu's bitch

[scenic dirge]

So they may just be released from it after Imu is killed or something

[ashen rose]

He was born in god valley?

[ashen perch]

yea for sure, its a great idea

[desert nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-rober-gif-1250302461018253483

[ashen perch]

also yea, the CD Domi thing is indeed part of it too

[vapid flower]

Nika army theory is the funniest shit I’ve heard ever

[ashen rose]

Wasn't he just kidnapped?

[golden valley]

There’s nothing of substance yet to argue this.

[vapid flower]

If it happens I drop one piece tho

[golden valley]

It’s speculation at best for now

[ornate tartan]

the counter is

more Haki😩

[stone terrace]

Chapter 2046:
I returned home

-Luffy continues squaring off with imu, but his attacks barely damage him
-Imu threatens to kill usopp enraging luffy
-Just like against rocks, imu stabs luffy and luffy begins to transform
-It is revealed that luffys birthplace is actually mariejois, dragons greatest secret
-Luffy falls to the ground and transforms fully
-Zoro arrives at the scene and says "I'm sorry captain" and puts on his bandana

[scarlet nacelle]

yea remember
He's the son of rocks and eris
the davy clan lived in god valley

[pulsar timber]

Imu one shots everyone

[ashen perch]

yupp, nothing Imu can do to him or Shanks

[distant vine]

I need Zoro to get Domi Reversid but he's like "Nah Im gonna do what I want" so he's like Nightmare Luffy multiplier boosted for a chapter so Imu has to turn it off

[ashen perch]

well, aside from his other abilities

[scarlet nacelle]

him too

[ornate tartan]

Shanks is Immune 😩

[ashen rose]

Oh, damn if this goes back to ancestry then that probably means shanks and shamrock ar eimmune

[daring hamlet]

Nami sanmn

[brittle basin]

Kage bunshin no jutsu, eh? Don't OS me.

[ornate tartan]

no mark and homeland gone (if u believe in that theory) i don’t

he’s SAFE

[desert nest]

Im pretty sure the celestials are gonna be fuel for Imu or be turned into demon soldiers

[vapid flower]

Sanji gets domi and hits a female giant

[ashen rose]

What about gunko tho? Her and brook

[vapid flower]

immediately snaps out of it and dies

[ashen rose]

If she can get Domi reversid then so can brook

[distant vine]

The true Oda route would be he obeys every Imu order except this one lol

[ashen perch]

When the Marines inevitably turn against Imu, he is gonna need another army for himself. He will have a perfectly functional one when he turns all the Celestial Dragons into demons. So the final battle can look like Imu, Gorosei, Holy Knights, God Blades, other competent Celestial Dragons if they exist and the Demon Celestial Dragons v the world

[ornate tartan]

she doesn’t need to get domid

[ornate tartan]

she’s already imu puppet

[desert nest]

Yeah i also don’t Believe the homeland theory

[brittle basin]

power of love theory intensifies. sanji upscale.

[ashen rose]

But she has a past with brook

[ashen perch]

post Elbaf, thats probably gonna be its only main use in the future

[ornate tartan]

probably brainwashed

[scarlet nacelle]

ngl knowing sanji it's entirely possible that as a gag oda makes sanji resist an order from imu to kick a woman while under the domi reversi

[ornate tartan]

the past is real

but they wiped her memories

[stone terrace]

As of rn im gonna work on the assumption that homeland theory is true until i see a counterexample

[ornate tartan]

icon who is ur favorite character?

[vapid flower]

THE QUESTION IS

WOULD SANJI KICK IMU??

[brittle basin]

Sanji only kicking Imu might be ok

[urban lodge]

Possession is different

[ornate tartan]

yes

[ashen perch]

I think if he did the weird thing he did with Saturn, he would

like if her upper half was replaced by the black dark blob

[distant vine]

Nah

[strong wadi]

not in lili form

or gunko form

[distant vine]

Well only if doing that doesnt hurt Gunko

[scarlet nacelle]

tough question (assuming imu is a woman)
i'd say he wouldn't but if imu was endangering another woman then he might step up

maybe

[brittle basin]

If Saturn had the eye ability, would Imu also have it?

[stone terrace]

As far as this series goes i have a few but no one in particular. Hiriluk, kureha, crocodile, tom

[ornate tartan]

2nd kureha answer

[ashen perch]

thats supposed to be a Gyuki thing, his mythical form

[ornate tartan]

she’s popular

[brittle basin]

I assumed as much

[scenic dirge]

No one ever asks me my favorite character

[ashen perch]

so Imu wont have it probably, unless he can just use whatever he wants to lol

[brittle basin]

Evan, who is your favorite character?

[scenic dirge]

Wooooah that’s way too personal of a question

[ashen perch]

its not worth it its just Zoro

[brittle basin]

son of a bitch.....

[scenic dirge]

Zoro’s not my favorite character wtf

[vapid flower]

Evan who’s you favorite character?

[scenic dirge]

Wooooah that’s way too personal of a question

[brittle basin]

I like Magellan, Yamato, BM, Luffy, and Whitebeard.

[scarlet nacelle]

is it the fox?

[scenic dirge]

Yea

[vapid flower]

Evan what’s your bra size?

[scarlet nacelle]

cool

[scenic dirge]

Quadruple Z

[ashen perch]

I like the SHs :)

all of them

[vapid flower]

Liar

[stone terrace]

Boring

[austere flint]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-gif-2441877476700253847

[scenic dirge]

That’s such a lie

[brittle basin]

i do too