also-manga

[keen quiver]

They look the same i had a slip in my memory

[muted hedge]

it's probably just a zoan necklace thingy

[clear rose]

yeah I guess his dumbass is used to being in pain because he'll regenerate anyway, but seeing Gaban he knows the pain is gonna last

or he'll die

[hot cairn]

not really but he was the "king" replaced by Imu according to Rocks

[unique lagoon]

yes but if you imagine where loki is standing
it kinda dont make sense cuz its in the ground

[clear rose]

same shades

[steel stirrup]

You may be right but Gaban says nothing about Conq or AdvConq being the only way to inflict pain

Just that they are weaker to Conq

[craggy vapor]

Sommers needs to be defeated by Nami

[tranquil blade]

Could be fire

[muted hedge]

maybe just smoke then

[tranquil blade]

There is fire all around them at the end of the chapter

[urban lodge]

Sommers gets his neck snapped by Robin and he's just chilling and keeps talking on the snail

[steel stirrup]

I think they're related

[urban lodge]

Regular attacks definitely don't hurt them

[unique lagoon]

yes it can be fire but why does it look like that
like someone made a line of fire on the ground

[steel stirrup]

Then i have to point out that Robin didn't even use Armament haki

[unique lagoon]

im calling oda fuckery

[craggy vapor]

even better. One is a child abuser, the other the opposite.

[tranquil blade]

Could be related to Loki's devil fruit abilities

[keen quiver]

Now got me thinking how does the regen tell when to stop feeling anything

[urban lodge]

Idk why armament would have mattered

[sturdy steeple]

well

[keen quiver]

Do they just feel nothing the entire time they take damage?

Or does it numb parts of them

[steel stirrup]

LMAO

Welp

[clear rose]

they feel pain for sure, but one piece characters have the most insane endurance in any shonen that I can think of anyway

so like

[sturdy steeple]

Comedy king

I love that guy lmao

[clear rose]

its not that crazy they just ignore it

[craggy vapor]

They are like Zombies

[unique lagoon]

is this friendly fire? mf stabbed himself

[woven talon]

Can kinda read it both ways.

The first sentence is literally: You will lead Elbaf well and pull it back.

Second sentence is like: The two of you… you and your brother… get along well.

Like is that saying Loki will rule well, and with his brother they’re getting along. Or is that saying he’ll rule well but please get along with your brother. I see it as both. “Your brother will be by your side as you rule well, so get along with each other. “

Here’s the Japanese

[hot cairn]

Oda really should've given them a different weakness I feel like it being acoc makes things too muddy for no reason

[sturdy steeple]

Slipped

[keen quiver]

As you rule well

😭

[muted hedge]

which would be?

[prisma idol]

Poor Hajrudin

[steel stirrup]

Yea Shonen endurance is already unrealistic.

And Oda definitely has an idea that the more you endure the stronger you get. Its kind of implied that one of the reasons Kaido was so strong was because he was tortured so much

[keen quiver]

"His ass is still wasting time looking for ida's doctor so better for you to be king loki."

[clear rose]

adaptation

[steel stirrup]

He needs to lock in and git gud

[hot cairn]

idk something else

[keen quiver]

That and being drunk

[steel stirrup]

So I feel like the HK feel pain but their pain tolerance is very high

[clear rose]

yeah thats not too crazy to say, I guess its more like why wont you dodge against people who have acoc, I can understand them not bothering with dodging against other fighters who dont have coc

[muted hedge]

i don't know what the weakness could be either

[clear rose]

like ar they just constantly getting outsped

[muted hedge]

haki is just the most obvious weakness they'd have

i think it's hard to come up with another weakness which would work

i guess water?

[willow pollen]

The sun

[muted hedge]

well

[steel stirrup]

Because they usually also get speed blitzed because another by product of this regen reliance is them barely and rarely using Obs

[sturdy steeple]

Spicy food

[hot cairn]

I like @ashen perch and @grand flower 's idea of it being some type of fishman karate where they always attack the core but it looks like it's just plain conquerors

[clear rose]

I guess Oda just didn't wanna complicate the power system or whatever, he could have easily just introduced a new power

[sturdy steeple]

Spicy food will definitely be their weakness
Tabasco bomb upscale for Usopp

[clear rose]

hakiless bitches

[steel stirrup]

Its one thing to tank every attack but you let Robin sneak up on you?

Where's your Color of Observation???

[muted hedge]

it would be cool if that also connected to Dragon's technique

[prisma yacht]

Cuties

[hot cairn]

I still think there must be something else cause we only have one revo confirmed to have conquerors and they're part of the people who will fight the holy knights

[clear rose]

I mean Robin is kinda OD tho thats her thing

[hot cairn]

yep, that's the idea

[clear rose]

sneaking up on people, pretty high strength level too

its just that she got no Haki so its like whatever

[muted hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sabo-fight-anime-water-gif-16338480

[steel stirrup]

Im not denying Robin's ability.

But you should still have your observation haki on youre in the middle of trying to forcefully overthrow an entire country

[shell sinew]

love the colouring

[clear rose]

least insane physical strength feat in one piece

[steel stirrup]

Why is your haki off????

[urban lodge]

Well

[steel stirrup]

You're trying to hostile takeover a country???

[urban lodge]

Observation only works when Oda wants it to

[clear rose]

I guess his coo just sucks

[prisma yacht]

Minion gng

[tranquil blade]

Dragon claw is still super interesting, I hope Dragon incorporates some really crazy usages of it when he fights

[urban lodge]

Kaido got jumped by like 10 people without noticing them

[muted hedge]

ryusoken being made to combat the immortality would be sick

[prisma yacht]

was over confident

[clear rose]

but then he was using future obs against Luffy

outliers

[steel stirrup]

Its like Sabo sneaking into the Room of Power

Five Immortals and a Demon King

No one sensed bro???

[stone terrace]

Confirms that robin is big sis and jimbei is unc

[urban lodge]

Yeah and Sommers showed he can block attacks from Gaban

[stone terrace]

Oda moment

[urban lodge]

Acoc attacks from a Gaban that's in a hurry, and that's after losing an arm

[hot cairn]

it's like penny said, it only works when Oda wants it to

[stone terrace]

😔

[steel stirrup]

That may be more reflex than Haki atp sorry to say

[prisma yacht]

Sabo doesn't have that loki aura so no one sensed him

it's called aura bruh

[steel stirrup]

Yea i know that's the meta answer

Penny is right

I dont like it tho

[clear rose]

its not like Oda concerns himself that much with the actual nuance of fights tbh

[steel stirrup]

Final war

Final villains

[clear rose]

as long as it has emotional weight thats what matters to him

[steel stirrup]

PLEASE TURN YOUR HAKI ON

I beg of you

[sturdy steeple]

The best answer is that you have to be somewhat concentrated to feel presence.

We know that from the fight with Katakuri.

[steel stirrup]

Im supposed to dread seeing my favorite characters fight you

[sturdy steeple]

So it's not like it's a passive thing 100%

[hot cairn]

yeah I dont think he does, it's not his main point

[steel stirrup]

Yea the focus aspect could be the explanation

But again I'd have to ask why youre not focused when your trying to overthrow a nation via kidnapping and holding all the children hostage?

[sturdy steeple]

There's a bigger elephant in the room to adress

[hot cairn]

also like I feel Oda doesnt explain haki stuff too much because he likes hiding things

and keeping stuff mysterious

[sturdy steeple]

Like not using conq against an army of goons

[clear rose]

yeah and like one of the main reasons why it stands out like this is because everything else is super detailed, like the world building and cultures the character writing, everything is top level, but then you have the power system and its kind of an after thought it feels

[steel stirrup]

Who are you referring to?

[sturdy steeple]

We just had a raid in Wano and no even tried to do that

[hot cairn]

agreed it's def an after thought

[urban lodge]

Big Mom kinda did accidentally (and offscreen)

[wet condor]

I've pointed this out before

[hot cairn]

I dont mind tho, I dont really care about that part of the series

[steel stirrup]

Did what

[tranquil blade]

Sengoku and Garp in Marineford both have it and neither thought to do it during a literal war

[sturdy steeple]

And only on a certain floor, Penny

[urban lodge]

Use coc in Wano

[hot cairn]

but I understand if some people dont like it

[sturdy steeple]

I've argued that it's uhhhh a problem of stamina

Luffy wanted to be in best shape

[shadow knoll]

that's a plothole, Oda didn't think that far into the future while writing marineford

can't nlame him

for taht

[sturdy steeple]

But I do think it's funnny regardless

[urban lodge]

Marineford aged very poorly in that aspect

[muted hedge]

people overanalyze Marineford constantly

[shadow knoll]

you can't argue enough abt power scaling

it's obvious that it won't make sense

[sturdy steeple]

It didn't because the same rules apply to the current events

Like everyone wants an army for a reason

Numbers win

[shadow knoll]

cuz making a 1000 chapters make sense with logic is hard

[tranquil blade]

Numbers win except for when Oda wants a character to use coc to flex

[sturdy steeple]

I dunno

[shadow knoll]

some characters do have big cock

[sturdy steeple]

If you have an army of a million dudes then it'd be a problem to knock all of them out

[tranquil blade]

big what

[hot cairn]

what

[muted hedge]

Shanks could knock out 100,000 if i remember correctly

it was said in Fishman island

[shadow knoll]

conqueror's haki

[muted hedge]

and Luffy knocked out 50,000

[sturdy steeple]

Oda adressed that in SBS but we don't know the actual Shanks' ceiling from what I can tell

[tranquil blade]

Shanks and Rayleigh could knock out 100,000

[muted hedge]

yeah

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-among-us-drip-yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss-sa-gif-24946313

[muted hedge]

they probably could knock out more

[prisma yacht]

My headcanon is sengoku's conq isnt refined enough to distinguish between friends and foe which is why he didn't use it to knock the fodders
And garp...well garp was fighting his own war

[sturdy steeple]

It's just him saying "oh if he was there in Luffy's place he would've knocked all of them out"

But I don't think there's anyone that can knock out so many people at once

[shadow knoll]

what is even sengoku's giant buddha power thing

[frigid gulch]

Shanks = Rayleigh = Joyboy?

[sturdy steeple]

Even if you're Shanks

[shadow knoll]

what does it do

[frigid gulch]

[sturdy steeple]

Joyboy tho

Maybe

But that's Joyboy

[muted hedge]

i'd also place Roger up there

[sturdy steeple]

He's dead so fuck that guy

[tranquil blade]

Joyboy can probably knock someone out on another island he'll probably be ridiculous

[frigid gulch]

Well we saw his max

[muted hedge]

and Joyboy isn't, lol

[tranquil blade]

Well depends who you ask

[shadow knoll]

bro joyboy stored his haki in a knot and obliterated the entire egghead

[prisma yacht]

I don't think he can do this

[distant vine]

Best set of eyecatchers

[shadow knoll]

he would prolly knockout entire east blue at once

[tough igloo]

lol alright now

[sturdy steeple]

Dude they keep screamign JOYBOY JOYBOY every time Luffy is on screen smh

[hot cairn]

fr

[frigid gulch]

The burst on Egghead was his max and it seemed to go pretty far out of Egghead

[frozen aspen]

makes him fat and yellow

[muted hedge]

yeah, yeah fair enough

[frigid gulch]

But can it reach another island

Who knows

Would depend on distance

[sturdy steeple]

That could be a fraction of his power

[stone terrace]

Eye catches were so good

[frigid gulch]

Also if he focused it

[sturdy steeple]

After all, it was just a knot

[frigid gulch]

It’s not

[stone terrace]

One of the only good things abojt old toei

[tranquil blade]

I was trying to be hyperbolic and everyone is taking it seriously 💔

[frigid gulch]

It’s his greatest

[shadow knoll]

i wanna make a joke but i won't

[muted hedge]

it was said to be his strongest haki

[sage temple]

catchers*

[sage temple]

about*

[shadow knoll]

🥀 chat not smart like avery

[sturdy steeple]

Oh really? Who said that, I forgot

[frigid gulch]

Joyboy himself

[tranquil blade]

Joyboy said it

[hot cairn]

the pacing was bad even before the timeskip

[muted hedge]

Joyboy said that he'd gather his strongest haki

[prisma yacht]

L chat W speed

[urban lodge]

I remember finding the pacing pretty bad already in like thriller bark

[stone terrace]

The discord hoes are flocking to your dms as we speak

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah then I think knocking out a million for others is even less believable

[muted hedge]

how many were on Egghead, do we know?

[frozen aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/empty-roll-tumbleweed-gif-5514767

[sturdy steeple]

Less than a million

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/money-breaking-bad-sleep-on-money-lay-on-money-money-pile-gif-5382667

[hot cairn]

enies lobby is horribly paced too

[muted hedge]

for sure but do we have an estimate?

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/jroe-stone-hoe-stone-hoe-for-jroe-minecraft-hoe-jrolled-gif-26577664

[hot cairn]

it has been an issue ever since east blue ended

[tranquil blade]

Like 100k at best I'd say

[sturdy steeple]

Nope, no clue.

[tranquil blade]

Probably less imo

[sturdy steeple]

I think 100k is max. Like the highest ceiling.

[shadow knoll]

50k

[sturdy steeple]

Because I don't think they'd send so many people when there are other things going on outside.

[tranquil blade]

Yeah there's twice as many ships but a lot of those ships were small compared to all the giant warships that were at Marineford

There were a few warships tho

[muted hedge]

100,000 seems reasonable, yeah

[shadow knoll]

100k is a lot of humans

[muted hedge]

maybe 500,000 were on Marineford

[sturdy steeple]

Honestly, even 100k seems too much.

[shadow knoll]

that island ain;t big enough for 100k humans

[sturdy steeple]

Remember that Luffy's fleet is only like 5k

[rose rune]

what I use for my smoothie every morning

[prisma yacht]

I think it's whatever number the guys are in but up until a certain range

[tranquil blade]

There was maybe 150k at Marineford

Counting Marines and pirates

[stone terrace]

Learning theres millions of marines was shocking tbh

[sturdy steeple]

Fair enough

[muted hedge]

i'm way off then

[urban lodge]

I just mean certain characters should have done more or performed better

[sage temple]

No discord hoes?!

[stone terrace]

That means less than 5% of their force was at marineford

[tranquil blade]

because we get the statement they brought in 100k Marines for the war I'm pretty sure

[sturdy steeple]

Penny ayeeeee good for you man
(I forgot what topic we were on)

[clear rose]

must have been only the best, and even then look at how alot of them got folded

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[stone terrace]

Ywah it was the best

They could probably beat the rest lol

[shadow knoll]

where did you find out there's millions of marines?

did garp say something?

[urban lodge]

I think you thought I was talking about something else Keep

[stone terrace]

Garp and sengoku convo post gv

[sturdy steeple]

Alabasta had like million of rebels, right?

[shadow knoll]

ahh okay

[tranquil blade]

I mean the risk of losing 5% of your military force is still somewhat significant

[stone terrace]

Its 5% in numbers but realistically its more like 90% of their power

[sturdy steeple]

Oh yeah
Like Vista. Can't believe he didn't finish Mihawk out of all people

[tranquil blade]

There was a million fighting in the battle itself but millions more in the entirety of Alabasta

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah I meant the capital war

[clear rose]

yeah the admirals were there, Sengoku and Garp were there, the vice admirals are far above any marine by a huge margin too

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/beijing-xi-xi-jinping-gif-17776891382724084734

[sturdy steeple]

Insane number by Oda lol

[shadow knoll]

honestly 90% of marines power is the top 5%

like most cadets would lose against normie pirates

[tranquil blade]

There was like a million split between the rebels and the military, I think it was like 700k rebels and 300k soldiers

[hot cairn]

https://youtu.be/QwwYTdaBgjs?si=sZJoXhP8ZnTD-1AY your opinion is out @brittle basin

[hoary steppe]

This goes the same to pirate if u sit and think abt it

[sturdy steeple]

LMAAAAAO

[urban lodge]

Pixel scalers have determined that Alabasta is like the size of Australia based on the width of the river

[tranquil blade]

Highlight of the chapter is a squirrel W Oda

[sturdy steeple]

"Your opinion is out"
That's fucking ruthless dude

[hot cairn]

goda

[tranquil blade]

Pixel scalers are not real

They are not to be trusted

[shadow knoll]

bro 😭

that's another level of unemployment

who does that

[strong wadi]

Most of the time they use their powers for powerscaling

[tranquil blade]

That's why you cant trust them

[prisma yacht]

That's so wrong

[stone terrace]

I have bad memories of pixel scaling from naruto

[strong wadi]

I remember when I first got into the fandom and used a site called One Piece Pirate Bay, there was a pixel scaler trying to determine Zoro’s speed using the ground when he fought the Franky Family

[stone terrace]

Thats largely a dead thing now though

[prisma yacht]

Alabasta is as big as our earth

[clear rose]

right and the size of thriller bark is insanely huge as well yet it looks like a very tiny drop in the ocean and someone tried to scale that and the one piece planet is like the size of the sun or some shit

[hoary steppe]

Oh hell no

[prisma yacht]

[urban lodge]

I remember a few years ago there was a dude arguing that Whitebeard was star level based on pixel scaling he did

[hot cairn]

what the heck is a pixel scaler

[clear rose]

I like it when pixel calcs calc this kind of shit tbh, this is stuff thats interesting to me

[tranquil blade]

They're gonna pull something out like "massively ftl+"

[urban lodge]

And yes he was serious

[hoary steppe]

Whats star level?

[strong wadi]

unfortunately reddit will recommend me powerscaling subreddits and i read them for fun sometimes and im like, "Damn did we read the same series, how is old joe schmoe universe level?"

[prisma yacht]

I can see his vision

[urban lodge]

Can destroy stars or something

[sturdy steeple]

Dude I told you I was drunk

[tranquil blade]

They could destroy something as large as a star

[sturdy steeple]

Come on man

[prisma yacht]

[shadow knoll]

these people can't be real

[hoary steppe]

😭

[hoary steppe]

Lmaoo

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[clear rose]

yeah I remember seeing something similar, basically the idea is if the planet is so damn big almsot the size of the sun and Whitebeards quakes were felt on the other side of the world its like "well he's obviously star level" which, thats not how it works

still very fucking strong tho dont get me wrong

[shadow knoll]

then he just dumb bruh

that's got nothing to do with a star

[urban lodge]

Oh yeah I forgot that based on those the OP world is super fucking big

[stone terrace]

[hoary steppe]

Ragnir when usopp use it

[hot cairn]

it is if there really are millions of islands

[clear rose]

its still obviously very strong, at most like something that would almost wipe out life on our earth technically based on some peopel's calcs but I mean its up to you what you wanna believe and stuff

[strong wadi]

Ragnir being sentient was peak for all usopp fans everywhere

[clear rose]

because our earth is super tiny compared to the OP world

[hoary steppe]

Exactly

The moment it was a cute squirrel

We know its for usopp

[clear rose]

Ragnir aint ditching Loki tho

gotta be some huge outlier for that to happen

[sturdy steeple]

I don't think he has to ditch Loki tbh

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldnt-get-it-joker-smoking-gif-15952801

[sturdy steeple]

Usopp might just use it this arc

[prisma yacht]

Guys who did u enjoy more baby shanks or kid loki

[strong wadi]

The fact that Ragnir can now likely change size and weight means Usopp can use it, unlike Enma where Oda just had to sizescale it down to be usable for zoro

[stone terrace]

I can see usopp getting to "borrow" it

But its lokis weapon

[clear rose]

feel like you guys are setting yourself up for a disappointment, never invest in Usopp

[hoary steppe]

Omegapeak

[stone terrace]

And thats not changing unless loki dies in which case it will begrudgingly go to hajrudin

[strong wadi]

Always invest in Usopp

[sturdy steeple]

There's a big financial hole in my savings after investing into Usopp but we're rolling with that, baby

[willow pollen]

I mean what if the squirrel can transform to any weapon and it transforms to a sling shot I mean we have already seen usopps weapon eat stuff and then shoot it out and this squirrel can store things in its cheeks

[clear rose]

kid Loki is cute and he actually has charactr tbf, baby Shanks is cute too but he didn't do a whole lot besides falling on his head

[tidal ice]

usopp stocks can only ever go up because there is no way usopp can get any worse than he is now

[hot cairn]

I could see Usopp using it once but not permanently

[hoary steppe]

Fuck it, all in usopp rn

[willow pollen]

This is like the housing crisis but with usopp in elbaf

[clear rose]

this is why usopp fans are the likeliest to become depressed

[sturdy steeple]

Usopp doesn't need Ragnir for eternity

If he gets to use it at least once this arc he'll be deemed as worthy

[strong wadi]

We also pretty much see that Ragnir can pull out CoC, so it will also pull out Usopp's CoC. Usopp fans are going to be eating so god damn good

[hoary steppe]

Acoc bullet

Shatter the fucken HK

[prisma yacht]

are you forgetting baby shanks legendary solo skysplit

[stone terrace]

Usopp jumping from weakest by a large margin to #2 because of a weapon

[shadow knoll]

wait what are you talking abt again?

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[urban lodge]

Eating a bunch of fast food that gives you cancer maybe

[shadow knoll]

newgate's df power

??

[clear rose]

remember Whitebeard's quakes, everytime he'd use an attack it would be felt around the world in OP basically

[sturdy steeple]

As my pops used to say "just put more money in it and anything can be resolved"
He died homeless but that's not the point

[prisma idol]

Are we still arguing whether usopp will wield ragnir

[sturdy steeple]

I'm going all in

[clear rose]

yeah pretty much

[hoary steppe]

Wdyt

[prisma yacht]

There's nothing to argue

He is

[prisma idol]

I dont think he will

[prisma yacht]

.

[tranquil blade]

The same discussion every day

[hoary steppe]

Cmon girl

💀

[strong wadi]

As if there wasnt a major development with the chapter that came out 13 hours ago

[shadow knoll]

i think by felt he meant like small tremors, not something that would destroy the planet

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

W keeper

[prisma idol]

I dont have a reason to think he will besides some weird reason that "he has wielded a hammer before"

[hoary steppe]

Fun fact:

loki wield Spear on harley

Not hammer

[prisma idol]

That wasn't loki

[hoary steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-banana-sells-a-million-dollars-gif-11873212726979639512

[clear rose]

yeah its small within the one piece world, its just that even those small tremors in comparison to how huge the world of OP is would destroy our world basically based on how much force it would require them to travel that big ass planet and still be felt, its nonsense math its a whole rabbit hole

[tranquil blade]

That was Loki's ancestor

[shadow knoll]

zoro doesn't move like that calm down

[hoary steppe]

Bruh its future event 🗿

[tranquil blade]

Same way Luffy doesnt use a sword and shield but he does there

[sturdy steeple]

What if Loki changes his weapon to a spear when they reach Heaven's realm and find it there

[hoary steppe]

Harlay text on the 3rd destruction is not past event

[urban lodge]

If it's the future why is Emet there

[shadow knoll]

ouuu bruh, these nerds mane

[hoary steppe]

Cuz he will be back

[tranquil blade]

I mean idk he could come back

[hoary steppe]

God, maybe there’s more than 1 emeth too

[strong wadi]

That's just General Franky

(but it's not the future)

[prisma idol]

What was depicted was the first and second world's, with the second world showing the Void Century war

[hoary steppe]

Its not, noone ate loki df for decades, poseidon appears as queen, minks, even birkans

[stone terrace]

The creature in the mural does kinda match lokis shadow

[hoary steppe]

3rd one are meant for the future

[clear rose]

to be fair, the intention of Oda is to make Whitebeard look as strong as possible even when he's ill so

[hoary steppe]

Aint no way ppl denying 3rd world destruction is future event

[clear rose]

its not crazy that these numbers are so high

[stone terrace]

Yeah im not a third world on the mural truther

Nonsense

[urban lodge]

The Harley is a separate thing from the mural

[hoary steppe]

3rd world Joyboy won.. that’s literally the point

[hoary steppe]

Wdym?

[urban lodge]

3rd world is the future, yes, but it's not what the mural is depicting

[prisma yacht]

Krome new pfp

[clear rose]

is the mural left to right or right to left

[ornate tartan]

the mural doesn’t have 3rd world

[prisma idol]

But people eating loki's df is irrelevant no? The mural doesn't depict the giant having it. And poseidon is defo that mermaid. Queen? Where. Minks were aligned with the Kozuki which seem to have been aligned with Joyboy. Birkans? Where

[hoary steppe]

What? Thats literally how saul explain it ? Iirc

[urban lodge]

The Harley is a book or collection of books at the library

[sage temple]

People call Luffy Nika even though Nika wields a sword and shield

[ornate tartan]

think it’s only the past

[shadow knoll]

yeah, i just don't care about comparing how strong characters are anymore

it's genuinely a fuck fest to understand power scaling

[sage temple]

The Harley and the Mural are different things

[glacial bear]

Whoever wins is based on how Oda is feeling tbh

[clear rose]

I only look at these to see how impressive a specific thing a character did is tbh rather than actually comparing it to anything, its not always right but it gives the general idea

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-manga-elbaph-elbaf-franky-gif-16050040637574062085

[hoary steppe]

It is, the mural depict exactly like loki, yes its shira, you can saw it.. bcz luffy is the current joyboy rn… birkans is the winged angel

[clear rose]

lik Zoro cutting Pica, Luffy causing that big ass shockwave after punching Doffy down stuff like that

Kuzan instantly freezing the two tsunami's that whitebeard caused

[dusk rune]

Man...I've been wondering when this flashback story was gonna end
I hope we get to see the current timeline after a chapter or two

[hoary steppe]

That mural part of the harley.. its just the kid draws it

[urban lodge]

If Joyboy is a Luffy clone it's only natural Loki's ancestor was a Loki clone

[hoary steppe]

Explain to me where its different

[urban lodge]

The Harley is just a text

[prisma idol]

This left side is the VC war, and the right side is the first world. We have the serpent of hellfire on the right side which helps show this.

The second world is about the VC war, just using symbolism more than likely, and we can see the war being carried out on the left.

[prisma yacht]

Just one more chapter
Trust

[clear rose]

I do think its odd if the third world isn't on the mural why showcase the harley in such a way like its following it from left to right(right to left whatever)

[hoary steppe]

So why oda drew this specifically?

[prisma idol]

Its too show that we are aligning again with the setup of the VC, thats what most of post ts has been showing, so of course its going to show similar shit...

[sage temple]

Well the Mural is a mural and the Harley is a book

[frozen aspen]

to confuse the reader

[stone terrace]

Why did that crop so badly

[urban lodge]

That's how he chose to present it, but the Harley is what Robin is reading at the library at that moment, it's completely separate from the mural

[clear rose]

nah thats me

[glacial bear]

Yoooo if that’s Loki

Then who that world serpent. Dragon?

[clear rose]

honestly reading it again and actually looking at the image, alot of words that are there correlate to what is being shown somewhat

we sure the third world isn't on the mural?

[glacial bear]

The WG did call Dragon the Insurgent Serpent 🤔

[tidal ice]

it does look like loki with the latest manga panel..thought it was imu but i was wrong

[hoary steppe]

So u say, imu once had mother flame ?

[clear rose]

the one in the middle could be a previous user of that mythical zoan

[glacial bear]

I honestly think Dragon is a mythical zoan and not a logia

[prisma idol]

I do believe so

[hoary steppe]

Mural based on harley

[tough dust]

Im quite sick of mythical zoans at this point

[prisma idol]

Imu getting thr mother flame is what I believe allowed them to win

Which is why they were so deadset on getting a new one

[glacial bear]

Same but knowing Oda. That’s the most probable case in this story going forward

If anything. We might get paramecia’s but no more logia’s

[fluid cedar]

Oda will stop introducing them just for you specifically

[hoary steppe]

No definitive proof of this, the statement on first world and the mural matches the event if we go based on what we know rn

[tidal ice]

saw a theory stating that the old sun was put underneath enies lobby, that's why it's always day there

[hoary steppe]

Whut

[wet condor]

The Third World is talking about future events. I don't think it's in the mural. It's not the leftmost drawing because Emeth is there

Unless people think he's coming back for the Final War

[tranquil blade]

He might be

[clear rose]

maybe there is a hole underneath because thats where the old sun is

[tranquil blade]

but he also is like torn in half rn so idk

[hoary steppe]

And u agree, imu is the one who did 200meters sea level rising ?

[prisma idol]

I do

Why would I not thats what is implied

[tidal ice]

yep, to be honest i was sold because that whole "always being day" in enies lobby abnormality we still don't have a concrete explanation for
what else could do that besides the sun that they fought wars over in these ancient mural texts, perhaps it was buried deep in the sea and is inaccessible now

[hoary steppe]

Then why there’s not many of lulusia hole

[clear rose]

could it be possible that a new form of Emeth is made later on? then again if that is the case old Emeth would have shown up in another spot of the mural

[hazy cypress]

Its clearly always day on Enies Lobby because someone awakened the pika pika no mi there subscribe for more one piece facts

[prisma idol]

I dont know

[shadow knoll]

what crime did zunesha commit...

[clear rose]

Enies lobby as a whole is a really weird place

[hoary steppe]

Imma do the math

If imu rise sea level 200 meters in a span 100 years

He have to atleast nuke every island per day

[shadow knoll]

and who punished him...

[hoary steppe]

There’s has to be alot of holes

In the sea

[shadow knoll]

yeah there are

[hoary steppe]

Lulusia rised sea level 2 meters

[shadow knoll]

the calm belt prolly formed due to those

[clear rose]

there probably is, there is millions of islands after all(supposedly)

[hoary steppe]

Nope there are not… all we know even at new world.. only enies lobby have similar hole to lulusia

Vegapunk would’ve notice the hole immediately

[shadow knoll]

wait a min you are right

cuz they didn't have mother flame

to blow up islands

[clear rose]

riight I forgot about that

[hoary steppe]

I mean if we goes to the story that imu once had mother flame at void century

[hoary steppe]

Bruh 🗿

[clear rose]

he is holding whatever that is in the mural, I guess that could be the first world before he lost the mother flame

and then got it back

[hoary steppe]

Well my proof is not 100%

But im sure the left one is the future event

[clear rose]

so you think its actually showing the future, idk I thought so too but like you got emeth there and there is sky people, it would also make more sense that the tree is in between the first and second world

[shadow knoll]

there's someone on reddit who tried to deduct everything abt the mural

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/1ig468v/my_complete_breakdown_of_the_mural_and/

[hoary steppe]

Emeth is an ancient robit likely created by ancient kingdom, big chance he might get back… hell remember how Vegapunk multiplied kuma(pacifista) and VP knowledge is based on ancient kingdom technology?

[hoary steppe]

Sky people still alive

[tidal ice]

would the emeth clones be sharing a memory

[tiny bay]

wait i just realized that shanks having imus mark solves why he let his arm be bitten off

[hoary steppe]

Vp posibbly can do that if he had that ancient kingdom knowledge

[hoary steppe]

Yea basically this… also that little guy with crown might’ve been Davy D jones

[shadow knoll]

in the 2nd world?

[hoary steppe]

Ye

[shadow knoll]

yeah might be

no mention of joyboy in 2nd world

[hoary steppe]

Another fun way that imu never depicted as king

But that demon dragon

[hoary steppe]

Sun spreading war

[shadow knoll]

i had so many questions the day this chapter came out

[hoary steppe]

Man killed the sun and become god.. joyboy death

[shadow knoll]

i used to lurk in this server on my other acc at that time, and when the chapter came out everyone was freaking out

[shadow knoll]

i saw an interesting therory in the #manga-theories abt the dragon in 2nd world too

[hoary steppe]

What is it

[shadow knoll]

#manga-theories message

#manga-theories message

[hoary steppe]

Ohh yeah the mythical dragon

Im down with that

[shadow knoll]

yeah it's a good theory

[shadow knoll]

yeah and i was also thinking maybe if that tree in 2nd world actually bears the devil fruits, then it might be in laugh tale

[graceful grove]

its the Eve tree mate. Fruit that devil tempts Eve to eat with Adam. unless the fruits came from the very top of Adam tree we are yet to see but its unlikely

[shadow knoll]

it's not saod anywhere that its the eve tree, so no idea

[graceful grove]

adam, eve and devil fruit story originate from Bible/Quran.

[shadow knoll]

usopp is taking your guy's hammer

[shadow knoll]

what's the bible got to do with one piece

[graceful grove]

you do realize Oda take inspiration from these things ?

[distant vine]

It is about time for me to research Mural Piece theories

[sage temple]

Ooo you got me with that one sick burn

[distant vine]

I havent done it since the chapter came out

[graceful grove]

like Norse with Elbaf

[shadow knoll]

oh you mean like that...

maybe idk

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/imu-sama-imu-one-piece-imu-one-piece-gif-9591400471796142390

[graceful grove]

yea that squirrel is leaving Elbaf with Usopp Harolds mistake was thinking strength is the only way it decide who is worthy

Loki can take his dads sword

[warm fossil]

my goat slowly but surely getting more motion

[graceful grove]

its a little bit of shame both nami and Usopps weapon will be lightining theme though xd

[distant vine]

Nah

Ragnir will stay with Loki

[graceful grove]

maybe Nami gets Prometheus

[graceful grove]

99% sure it wont. the amount of times Usopp used hammer in pre-ts and now it being a mascot like weapon.... yea make it 100%

also Loki isn't holding a hammer in the mural

[sage temple]

Luffy shown with a shield and sword in the mural

[runic dock]

Definitely , but Usopp will borrow it for a moment

[graceful grove]

he can create anything out of thin air. remember baseball bat?

[distant vine]

This is a good point

[distant vine]

This is also a good point

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/babe-babe-one-piece-one-piece-mr-4-mr-4-one-piece-gif-6870527688111956544

[distant vine]

I guess I dont mind Usopp wielding a strong weapon

[rose rune]

but is it a horn point?

[graceful grove]

we need this

[distant vine]

As long as he the person is weak

[sage temple]

Yeah but these aren’t like his weapons

[runic dock]

Usopp’s ever increasing hammer use has to culminate in using a magic hammer but he lies about holding it

Because ragnir can control itself

[sage temple]

Brook isn’t going to wield Enma just because he uses a sword

[runic dock]

It just floats in his hands

Making it look like he’s wielding it

[distant vine]

Thats kinda lame lol

[runic dock]

This isn’t the same comparison at all , water and oil

[runic dock]

Well I’m not Oda , that’s just one possibility

He’ll do it better

[sage temple]

Yeah it’s possible but you’re saying it as if it’s a fact

[graceful grove]

Wano made it clear he don't have anything in his arsenal for the types of enemies he will face from now (ulti fight). this is long overdue

[runic dock]

lol that’s how I talk about all my possibilities

You should too

Have more confidence

:)

[distant vine]

He used to back in the day...

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-usopp-luffy-usopp-vs-luffy-gif-16667714

[sage temple]

It just makes you sound like no other possibility but that can happen which is wrong

[graceful grove]

Conq Dials might make a comeback if Oda didn't have dementia and forgot they exist

[runic dock]

Am I gonna talk about the theories I don’t like? I’m just saying it would be cool and fit Usopp’s theme to get a hammer again

[stone terrace]

WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SERIES

[sage temple]

Ok but it’s not like it’s likely to happen or anything

[runic dock]

Why so defensive about things related to Loki?

[stone terrace]

Oda is a bait and switch master now im stuck waiting for ts to end

[graceful grove]

here is the thing. when ppl talk about future stuff, its already implied these are predictions without every time needing to point it out xd

[sage temple]

This isn’t me being defensive I’m basing what I say from what the story tells me

[frozen aspen]

oda is washed

[tiny oracle]

Usopp using Ragnar is very possible

[runic dock]

Now you’re presumptuous , so you think you have a better take than me?

[hot cairn]

what does that mean

[tiny oracle]

It’d feel like wayyyy to big of a power jump though

So it feels like it’d have to be nerfed somehow

Like when Hera ate some of Zeus

[runic dock]

My current expectation with it is he only uses it once

[craggy vapor]

i think that person cooked

[runic dock]

I never even thought about keeping it but that could be cool too

[tiny oracle]

Yeah using it just one would also be cool

But I assume Usopp will get some sort of power jump in Elbaf

[graceful grove]

usopp don't have lokis strength or haki xd its nerfed by default

[tiny oracle]

Just to keep up with power creep

[stone terrace]

1000 usopps couldnt beat ragnir

[tiny oracle]

It was going toe to toe with Loki on it’s own though it is insanely strong without Lokis strength or haki

[runic dock]

I’d be equally happy with a morale boost for the giants lol Usopp inspiring them would be cool too

[stone terrace]

Cube that number and it still might be true

[runic dock]

Infinite usopps couldn’t beat ragnir

[shadow knoll]

yeah there are llotta different interpretations of his interpretations and it's a huge thread. really good post.

[tiny oracle]

Usopp having that level of power would feel very wrong

[sage temple]

No I’m saying it’s not definitive or overwhelmingly likely at all that Ussop will wield Ragnit

But me saying this is defensive I guess

[runic dock]

I’m not saying it’s definitive , I’m just saying it’s possible , I’m not saying it’s extremely possible either

So yeah you’re being defensive to bring all that into it, slow down bruh

[tough igloo]

i think at most Usopp will possibly weird ragnir for a brief moment but no more than that and it’ll go back to Loki .. similar to Cap & Thor

[sage temple]

Ok

[stone terrace]

Yeah i can see that

[graceful grove]

SH next 2 fights are against BBP and IMU Van Augur shoots him between his dim eyes and he dies if Usopp don't get a power jump. besides this is only a weapon and have room to be insanely goofy to fit with his theme

[stone terrace]

Usopp fans can have the moral victory there

[distant vine]

You sound how like I sound when people say BB will kill Shanks

[runic dock]

Oda loves marvel anyway lol

[tiny oracle]

Yeah he needs some power jump but it shouldn’t be that big

[runic dock]

1 thing I learned in elbaf oda loves marvel and god of war

An has seen and played both recently

[tiny oracle]

Ragnar probably has a level of power which rivals Zoro n Sanji since Loki was struggling w it for a while

[tough igloo]

they’ll spar with the RHP and maybe learn some new stuff

[distant vine]

Wait, Oda can play real video games?

[tiny oracle]

Or Usopp just finds a way to beat Augur with tactics and not a power jump

Which I’d also like tbh

[runic dock]

Maybe he watched his kid play lol

[wraith mantle]

would be cool if ragnir found usopp to be worthy, even if he doesn't have the monsterous strength of loki

[sage temple]

[runic dock]

But he’s got ball knowledge on god of war with these references

[graceful grove]

just like most SH, Oda will nerf them as needed. look at Jinbei sitting on his ass over there doing nothing

[tiny oracle]

Yeah

Probably

Like Zeus was nerfed in Wano so he can be Nani’s permanent weapon

[urban lodge]

Oda knows 90% of his norse mythology from GOW, he's just like me fr

[sage temple]

It just feels like a participation trophy where everyone else does the hard work and Ussop does virtually nothing which kinda takes away from Ussop’s hardworking character

[stone terrace]

Its all you need tbh

[wraith mantle]

isnt god of war greek

[stone terrace]

Norse mythology actually kind of sucks in term of sources

[wraith mantle]

or is that the joke lol

[urban lodge]

The new ones are norse

[stone terrace]

Theres barely anything there

[tough igloo]

true , and it’s so many different versions

[graceful grove]

its being set up that way.

[shadow knoll]

ik for a fact that a lot of his mythology stuff and other inspirations came from different games

[runic dock]

It could also be another situation where every single person is down for the count around Usopp and only Usopp can act and he does act (thriller bark vs perona , dressrossa vs sugar)

[sage temple]

It’d be cool if Loki and Ragnir’s bond is so strong Ragnir doesn’t even allow Ussop to touch it

[runic dock]

So no hard work is being taken away if that happens

[tranquil blade]

The first 3 games are, but after that no

[wraith mantle]

would ragnir still stick with loki if he gets domi reversi'd

[blazing depot]

I just know Ragnir is gonna fuck with Usopp

[runic dock]

God of war 2018 and god of war ragnarok are not

[tiny oracle]

Man I don’t wanna set myself up tbh as an Usopp fan

[wraith mantle]

i see

[tiny oracle]

Hope only beings disappointment

[wraith mantle]

is kratos just going around killing gods from other mythos now lol

[blazing depot]

Slightly unrelated but why doesn’t Sony remaster and rerelease the OG trilogy on PC and PS5? Are they stupid and do they hate money?

[tough igloo]

Ragnir has officially reached Luffy sandals level of power 🔥🫡

[dapper kernel]

BOOOOOM!!!

[stone terrace]

Everyone expects the next game to be in egypt lol

[runic dock]

Egyptian gods could be the next wave if they keep going

[graceful grove]

Ragnir and loki is knocked out. usopp tricks Ragnir with snake oil to "heal" him and have one final strike

[stone terrace]

But yeah kratos is a pantheon killer now

[blazing depot]

Can’t wait for the trilogy where he kills the Christian pantheon

[sage temple]

Probably would. If Harald was capable of wielding it as an Imu vessel I don’t see why it’d suddenly change with Lokis morals

[runic dock]

Something like that lol

[shadow knoll]

everything atreus does something in god of war

Kratos: "Boy."

[tough igloo]

I don’t think Harald was worthy enough

his mindset wasn’t it

[blazing depot]

When they dub Elbaph they should get TC Carson or Christopher Judge to voice Harald

[sage temple]

Ussop approaches Ragnir alone. Ragnir transforms into a squirrel and scratches Ussop up because of the strong bond between Loki and his hammer

[tough igloo]

Harald with Ragnir would’ve been like Hulk trying to pick up Mjolnir .. you strong but you still not worthy

[shadow knoll]

harald didn't hv the passion

[urban lodge]

ProZD should voice Ragnir/Ratatoskr like he did in GOW Ragnarok

[graceful grove]

i know he was thinking the whole time he should've worn rubber

[stone terrace]

Its just grunts and squeaks

[urban lodge]

Peak

[stone terrace]

We need a lot more of ragnir

I hope loki doesnt just use it as a hammer 90% of the time

[shadow knoll]

christopher judge could do harald

[runic dock]

It’s gonna be a cute gag character when it’s not doing that

No worries

[sage temple]

It could also be another situation where Ragnir seems Ussop unworthy and returns back to Loki as a gag like situation

[tranquil blade]

I remember when Jack used to be considered a big deal, the billion berry man, but now he'd get low diffed by a squirrel

[tiny oracle]

I wonder of Ragnar can talk

Probably not

[runic dock]

😭

[shadow knoll]

this is also a part why i want ragnir to be with usopp, he's a gag character himself, so the squirrel would match his energy

[stone terrace]

I hope loki can understand it

Thatd be funny

[wraith mantle]

loki is good with animals

[tough igloo]

Sommers will try to stop Ragnir with his thorns and get his shit cracked open lol Oda has made it clear the HKs only here to make the strong fighters look good

[graceful grove]

i don't think that bond is strong anymore. imagine day in day out watching the guy you choose to be worthy shitting his pants for years. no relationship will survive that unscathed

[shadow knoll]

it took me way too long to realize that the squirrel is the size of fucking kaido

[runic dock]

Brook and gunko tho

[runic dock]

Ragnir > kaido

[tough igloo]

yeah Gunko is a special case within the HKs so i don’t include her with Team Rocket 2.0

[graceful grove]

which brings me to out next piece of business. who is stronger, Ragnir or Kaido

[runic dock]

Ragnir can kill an immortal, just wait till it awakens

Already clearing kaido

[tranquil blade]

Ragnir genuinely could solo half a yonko crew

[tough igloo]

true

[wraith mantle]

is ragnir really base harald level

[hot cairn]

or Chopper translates

[tough igloo]

Ragnir alone would be the strongest current HK

[wraith mantle]

there is an argument for it

[runic dock]

There is

[graceful grove]

Usopp cracking open Yasopps dead beat head with Ragnir ill be there

[tranquil blade]

Loki is like admiral level but his hammer is also admiral level so he's yonko level

[wraith mantle]

are you saying two admirals can take on kaido?

[ashen perch]

it got oneshotted, why is this even seriously being considered

[tough igloo]

it really comes down to how the whole “being worthy “ thing works cause if it’s like the way MCU does it then it’s based on more than just strength but Harald never realized that .. i think he still wouldn’t be worthy with the power up

[hot cairn]

I'm so confused on why people are saying Ragnir is Yonko level

[distant vine]

Not necessarily oneshotted but it got hit hard enough to understand Loki won

[stone terrace]

It didnt get one shotted actually

[tranquil blade]

Idk

[ashen perch]

Loki's hammer probably was made up of spare wood and duct tape, so destroying it isnt crazy either

[wraith mantle]

it doesnt matter if ragnir sees you as worthy, if you are stronger than ragnir you can just overpower it

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but Loki has haki (probably)

[graceful grove]

it didn't get one shot xd

[stone terrace]

Loki actually was at a disadvantage at that point cuz he lost his weapon

[ashen perch]

yeah but theres only so much haki could do for a shitty ass weapon

[stone terrace]

But ragnir chose him so it didnt matter

[sage temple]

That bond could definitely be strong. They spent 14 years together, 8 of them used to get to a 2.6b bounty and 6 of them just chilling together as the cultists clean Loki

[graceful grove]

Luffy sandals disagree

[ruby moat]

Bc of what harald said about nobody being able to convince it they’re worthy or whatever

[ashen perch]

well those arent really relevant, they just do that

[golden valley]

Ragnir is like Yonko Commander tier but on the upper end

[shadow knoll]

yeah that squirrel is jacked asf, he's tanking down yc1s easily

[tranquil blade]

Ragnir is beating Queen if I'm gonna be honest

[hot cairn]

but maybe Oda is saving the "worthy" moment for a different time

[golden valley]

We underestimating Admiral level if we callin ragnir by itself that tier

[ashen perch]

Ragnir is beating uhhh

[graceful grove]

so who is stronger. Mihawk or Ragnir ?

[stone terrace]

Ragnir emote

[golden valley]

Admiral level is giving Yonkos tough fights

[wraith mantle]

maybe harald didnt try to eat the fruit in his prime, but his ancestral elbaf kings who embraced the warrior and violet culture definitely would have tried, and ragnir would defeat all of them

[stone terrace]

Ragnir is cooking every yc1 minimum

Yeah that means you too zoro

[ashen perch]

I just dont see it

[golden valley]

Ragnir is like maybe Yamato level

[tranquil blade]

We need a ragnir emote sometime during 2026

[tough igloo]

but if that’s the case then that would mean people with broken hax within their DF (someone like Law or awakened paramecias ) should be able to make quick work of Ragnir since it doesn’t have haki on its own , that’s why i think it’s more than getting past Ragnir with brute strength and it has to accept you as being worthy for you to eat the DF

[golden valley]

Actually nah, Yamato > Ragnir

[graceful grove]

Sanji could beat Queen. Ragnir would break Sanji in half

[ruby moat]

Yea ppl r just quick to scale based on what was said

[ashen perch]

Zoro, Benn, Shiryu, King, Katakuri, the concept of these dudes losing to a hammer is just so silly lol, and entirely baseless

[wraith mantle]

but if you have a DF why are you fighting ragnir

[shadow knoll]

that could be a reason...he didn't eat df to bring peacce in elbaf, and thought getting the df powers would create more destruction

[distant vine]

Slow down

[golden valley]

I think Harald tried when he was younger

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/foxy-one-piece-foxy-pirates-noro-noro-beam-anime-gif-20168182

[shadow knoll]

@honest garden get on it

[tranquil blade]

Katakuri

[golden valley]

16 yr old Loki being stronger than Young Harald is definitely believable

[stone terrace]

Katakuri lost to a guy who got one shot by a thunder bagua

[sage temple]

Ragnir is also beating base Harald

[distant vine]

Anything Loki did to Ragnir Zoro can do

[stone terrace]

Lokis attack was at MINIMUM as strong as a thunder bagua

[ashen perch]

Harald never spoke of strength, the worthiness thing is gonna look silly when the hammer deems another character to be worthy without losing to him

[wraith mantle]

depends if you think these guys are significantly stronger than previous elbaf kings

[stone terrace]

😭

[tranquil blade]

Katakuri hype died in 2021

[tough igloo]

what if your trying to sell the DF for billions

[shadow knoll]

never understood katakuri hype

[sage temple]

Harald said before the Imu buff, he couldn’t beat the hammer

[tough igloo]

i’m sure the WG would pay it

[graceful grove]

Harold just confirmed its strength. its not absurd

[ruby moat]

[shadow knoll]

he was okay, i didn't find his power amusing

[ashen perch]

exactly

[wraith mantle]

like unless you want to say that you physically cant eat the fruit without ragnir's approval, all that matters is overpowering ragnir

[golden valley]

Its not just a hammer

[wraith mantle]

and none of the previous elbafian kings were able to do so

[hot cairn]

I still think Oda skipped over the "worthy" moment to be shown later down the line in the arc. It's probably not a strength thing

[golden valley]

Though, Ben isn’t losing

Neither is Zoro tbh

[sage temple]

Harald said the only reason he couldn’t beat wield Ragnir now is because he has the Imu buff

[golden valley]

No

[shadow knoll]

unless nobody tried till now

[ruby moat]

If zoro isn’t losing then Sanji isn’t losing either

[wraith mantle]

^^^

[sage temple]

Pretty safe to assume Ragnir > base Harald here

Especially if you’re the type to assume Loki and Shanks fought

[wraith mantle]

elbafian kings obsessed with warrior culture probably tried

[golden valley]

I feel like that harald panel is so misinterpreted

[stone terrace]

Yea thats not really the only way to interpret that

[wraith mantle]

how so

[tidal ice]

maybe harald was worthy once he became "evil" thanks to imu

[shadow knoll]

yeah, seems like ragnir meta has arrived...

[ashen perch]

yeah, I think its vague enough for there to be multiple interpretations, worthiness could mean a lot of things and Harald was interrupted before he could finish speaking

[stone terrace]

According to tcb, harald says with his current strength he could claim ragnir

[sage temple]

It being about strength is like the most understanding interpretation of it

[shadow knoll]

where did he say that

[ruby moat]

What if… playboi carti could tap dance

[shadow knoll]

like is that the possessed harald

[stone terrace]

Yeah

[graceful grove]

obviously it would have different ways to be worthy but in this situation he was talking about strength

[stone terrace]

But if harald before the buff never considered claiming ragnir then it doesnt mean he couldnt have done it before

[wraith mantle]

"with my current strength" it can't be any clearer than this

[shadow knoll]

that might be imu's ego of wanting to yield it though

[golden valley]

Harald is under the influence of Imu’s powers, as far as the TCB translation, Harald is just saying with his powers bestowed by a god, Ragnir is deemed to find him worthy, this isn’t reflective of Harald w/o his buffs. I don’t think Pacifist Harald aimed to eat the fruit either

[stone terrace]

https://preview.redd.it/was-rocks-vs-harald-a-sky-split-did-they-even-use-v0-znvgt92deldf1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=78d82e41bc1bd56d8e29e343de8295b40b054cd2

[sage temple]

It’s always a bad translation when it hypes Loki

[stone terrace]

Like i just dont believe this harald couldnt have done it

[graceful grove]

imu powers increase his strength. there is nothing that adds to him to feel he can finally eat the df

[distant vine]

Its ok. We're gonna put our chips on the table when Luffy and Loki go up to fight and all will become clear

[ashen perch]

yeah I know I have read the chapter lol, but it can be interpreted as powers/strength

[sage temple]

It’s pretty obvious it’s about strength here lmao

[ruby moat]

Especially with how easy it appeared to be for Loki. One solid hit and the hammer was down

[tranquil blade]

What if this Rocks was like. chapter 1010 Luffy level

[ashen perch]

Harald could be assuming that in his current state, he would be deemed worthy of it

[sage temple]

Strength is specifically what he says

[golden valley]

It’s 100% about strength in that panel

[shadow knoll]

yeah if base harald couldn't beat ragnir and loki just one hit KO-ed him, loki stocks are going insane 📈

[tranquil blade]

but yeah I think the truth is that Harald simply didnt attempt to do it because he didnt want to eat it

[wet condor]

The implication that strength is a significant part of it. Harald believes that with his current strength that Ragnir would permit him to eat the fruit

[ashen perch]

His peak is Egghead Luffy level, without the stamina issues so perhaps...

[golden valley]

Pacifist Harald has no reason to try and eat the fruit

[wet condor]

This is also true

[tranquil blade]

He knew it was a supposedly dangerous power and he's literally the most peace loving giant besides Jarul

[wraith mantle]

imu's power maybe change your personality, but it wouldn't alter the facts of the world that you knew of.
if harald-imu thinks his current strength would influence whether ragnir find him worthy or not, is probably based on harald's knowledge of the DF/Ragnir before imu took over

[shadow knoll]

wait so you saying harald didn't believe he could yield ragnir before?

[stone terrace]

I simply dont think harald even thought about claiming ragnir

[tranquil blade]

What? No I'm saying he didnt want to

[wraith mantle]

i agree that harald didnt attempt to do it before, but he must know more details about ragnir and the DFs than us

[ashen perch]

Younger Harald may have tried I guess, that would make sense.

[stone terrace]

He didnt need to, he was already stronger than basically everyone

If he kept his old mentality maybe

[shadow knoll]

but what does this mean then #also-manga message

[tranquil blade]

Delinquent Harald could've tried but delinquent Harald is like Loki without all the special shit

[wet condor]

Younger Harald may've tried and failed, yeah. It's believable that at some point Harald just simply stopped caring

[sage temple]

Harald says to be able to be deemed worthy, you must be powerful enough to beat Ragnir

He the admits that he was too weak to wield Ragnir before the Imu buff and says now with the Imu buff he is powerful enough to do so

This is pretty silly to try and stretch the words he says

[wraith mantle]

if harald assumes that strength is what deems someone worthy, and he is the king of elbaf, i think its reasonable for us to think he knows what hes talking about 😭

[wet condor]

P much

[tranquil blade]

Well his thoughts are being influenced there still tho, idk if Harald in his right mind would care to wield it

[graceful grove]

harold was not always a good guy. thee is 0 chance he didn't try to get Ragnir when he was on his loki arc

[golden valley]

Imu is influencing his thoughts, Harald says that he’s superior to all among other things, he’s essentially praising his newfound strength and enjoying it. I do agree that Harald is going off previous knowledge, I’m just saying that Harald’s statement is him validating the strength he got from Imu.

[sage temple]

It doesn’t matter if he didn’t want to. He establishes that now that he’s strong enough he is able to wield Ragnir compared to his weaker self before the Imu buff

[wet condor]

45 year old Harald probably tried

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[sage temple]

Yall are trying to stretch it as hard as possible to keep Loki weak lmao

[tranquil blade]

Loki could for sure during the incident be stronger than 45 year old Harald

[golden valley]

It doesn’t mean now he can achieve it

[wraith mantle]

yes, of course he is validating the strength he got from imu, and LINKING IT directly to ragnir finding him worthy

[golden valley]

…how is this a Loki is weak agenda?

[wet condor]

That's not what I'm trying to do

[tranquil blade]

I mean Loki probably has greater potential than his father if we're being realistic

[wraith mantle]

unless harald made up that connection entirely

[stone terrace]

Harald by saying his "current" strength could be referencing the last time he tried to claim ragnir

[wraith mantle]

which i doubt he did

[stone terrace]

Which could be before he even had facial hair

[wet condor]

Yeah

[tawny panther]

it’s even funnier when you imagine that someone like Law could neg diff Ragnir with his DF or Kat/Doffy just turn it into strings/mochi with their awakening but none think they’re anywhere near as strong as Harald 🤣 Ragnir is a interesting addition to the story 🤔

[glacial bear]

Before eating a devil fruit. Harald doesn’t have the slit snake eyes that Loki has. Despite them both being the few that have ancient giant blood.

There’s something very special about Loki.

[wraith mantle]

there is really no other interpretation

[golden valley]

No one is saying Loki is weak from this wtf lol

[ashen perch]

I am just saying there's room for interpretation here, Ragnir's worthiness could be a thing it senses rather than a trial by combat type of deal. It doesnt mean that the hammer itself is that powerful, just that it would let the powerful wield it and get to the DF.

[golden valley]

This is about ragnir

[sage temple]

He literally says that now with his current strength he is able to wield Ragnir compared to his previous strength level

[storm anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/this-slander-is-so-good-one-piece-slander-yuta-okkotsu-jjk-gif-1838148331228807527

[sage temple]

Well regardless of what you’re trying to do, you’re still stretching what Harald says out of proportion here

[wraith mantle]

niggas look at this and say "but its could be a different interpretation"
this loki hate is crazy

[tranquil blade]

I dont like the idea that Harald needing Imu's mark to be strong enough, because it means Loki is effectively stronger than him and also literally all of the people at God Valley

[wet condor]

Like 45 year old Harald, or 15 in human years if you want to look at it that way, is the type of guy who would've tried to claim it. And if he did, then he obviously failed. Did he ever try again? We don't know

[wraith mantle]

i concede that meeks may have butchered the translation so.. guess we gotta wait for viz

[tranquil blade]

and I dont think that's actually true to be honest

[shadow knoll]

harald said he thinks he can wield ragnir with imu buff, so i think it's implied that he has tried to wield it before but failed or maybe he didn't believe in himself that he was good enough to wield it

[graceful grove]

or it could be after he faced Rocks. he did face someone he couldn't beat and someone he disagreed with too.

[urban lodge]

But that is Rocks downscale which is based

[trim lily]

at this point ill accept absurd progression like this

[brittle basin]

king

[golden valley]

He says with his current strength, but both things can be true, his previous strength can be plausible but so is his current. It can simply be interpreted as “Ragnir has to deem me worthy because of my strength.” This doesn’t prove that Pre-Imu buff Harald wasn’t capable of doing the same

[tranquil blade]

Yes I know you'd like that

[ashen perch]

idk, maybe I am not explaining it well enough, but there's a difference between "the only way you can get to the DF is by beating it in combat and no one has ever been able to do that" and "the hammer will decide if youre worthy enough based on your strength/ potentially other characteristics"

[tranquil blade]

Rocks fans sure wouldnt hear the end of it

They'd have to pivot to writing instead of hype moments and aura

[golden valley]

Why are yall talking about Loki…💔 This is about ragnir

[glacial bear]

Guys guys! Let’s all be friends

[wraith mantle]

ragnir is potentially base rocks level

[trim lily]

[stone terrace]

Exactly theres not enough context to say harald is explicitly referring to the fact that the buff is what pushes him over the edge

[trim lily]

very funny statement

[wraith mantle]

rocks beats it extreme diff tho

[tawny panther]

just means New Gen > Old Gen lol which makes sense considering we’re in the final saga now

[trim lily]

rocks is as strong as a squirrel

[wraith mantle]

he is kaido sized squirrel

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-jarvis-meme-testicles-testicular-torsion-jarvis-twist-this-guys-testicles-gif-11491098292183663284

[trim lily]

squirrel w

[wraith mantle]

that can summon lightning and shit

yall sleeping on this squrrel

[tranquil blade]

It also means that several members of the Rocks pirates far surpassed Rocks himself which is possible I guess

[sage temple]

I mean using there is room for interpretation for everything said in this manga. It’s not impossible for anyone to mean some alternate interpretation in One Piece. I’m still saying what you’re trying to push is extremely unlikely given how explicit Harald’s words are here and how he makes a point to talk about his strength now compared to before the Imu buff

[graceful grove]

pluton is just a boat

[trim lily]

i think we might place the old generation on too much of a pedestal

what if the people in roger's era werent that much stronger relatively compared to now

[golden valley]

I don’t have Regular Rocks as stronger than Garp, Roger or Whitebeard

[glacial bear]

The narrative seems to be that the New Gen will always surpass the Old Gen eventually

[ashen perch]

Egghead Luffy level btw

[golden valley]

It doesn’t really make sense why they wouldn’t have surpassed Rocks

[wraith mantle]

i truly wonder if ragnir will make it to people's top 10 lists now lmao

[tranquil blade]

Well I dont have him as stronger than them either but like he'd be way weaker than them if all of this was true

[graceful grove]

[glacial bear]

Everybody surpassed Rocks after his death

[trim lily]

this rocks guy stinks

[brittle basin]

in their later years, Kaido and WB surpassing Rocks can make sense. BM too.

[tranquil blade]

Rocks should've just gatekept the ACoC method

[brittle basin]

Roger didn't live long enough i guess

[golden valley]

I don’t think Rocks hit his prime either

[tranquil blade]

Roger surpassed him too

[shadow knoll]

i mean rocks died pretty young without doing anything really

[graceful grove]

lad, its aleady in my top 5 SH

[golden valley]

And he was aiming to eat a DF too

[wraith mantle]

roger is so cool he surpassed a corpse

[tawny panther]

or it could just be the newer generation just built different than the others , Shanks spoke on this as well .. this is the generation that’s gonna finally change the world after all by stopping Imu , compared to the previous ones who weren’t able to , so i’m fine with it .

[wraith mantle]

great for him

[brittle basin]

however, he was still unbelievably strong if it was only young him and young garp that took an overpowered demon rocks down

[wet condor]

I don't see how I'm doing that. Harald supposes that given his current strength, he should be able to wield Ragnir. That's what he believes. Why does he think that? We don't know why that is either. It could be that in the past he attempted to wield Ragnir, and he couldn't do it. And he figured the reason he couldn't do it is because he didn't have the strength. He may've lost to Ragnir or something. We aren't privy to what actually happened there. Nothing that I've said here is a stretch. We're trying to deduce why Harald thinks the way that he does. Let's suppose that Harald is actually right, and the reason why he couldn't wield Ragnir and claimed the fruit is because he wasn't strong enough. We still don't know when he actually tried to claim the fruit. Reasonable people should agree that the Harald who's in his 40s in human years, who clashed with Rocks, is stronger than the Harald when he was 15 years old. 15 year old Harald has the type of personality to try and claim it, but pacifist Harald has reason for why he wouldn't. It's reasonable to assume that Harald hadn't tried to claim the fruit since he became a grown ass man We are not stretching anything. It's a reasonable thing to suppose. And it's not unreasonable to think that Prime Harald was capable of beating Ragnir and eating the fruit. There are no stretches here and no attempts to make Loki seem weak

[shadow knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-tont-stark-jarvis-squirrel-gif-3250516855489368721

[wet condor]

First wall of text I've given in years lol

[sage temple]

This way of changing what he said is an extremely unlikely way of what he said.

Him saying “current” strength emphasizes that he probably couldn’t do so previously

[tranquil blade]

We dont know how old Rocks even is, he looks the exact same the entire flashback

[trim lily]

hes probably like 40-50

[shadow knoll]

i aint reading alldat give tldr

[brittle basin]

i assume early 40s

[shadow knoll]

67

[glacial bear]

Yeah. But that’s the reality, Rocks was undoubtedly the strongest alongside Roger & Garp. But even then, one can’t remain the strongest forever. Look at what WB said at Marineford

[glacial bear]

Not just Roger. A lot of people did

[wraith mantle]

if you can overpower ragnir, it doesn't matter if it deems you worthy or not

[stone terrace]

We never got rocks' bounty dude

We dont even have odens

[wraith mantle]

thats cool

[tranquil blade]

Oda hid the bounty for no reason

[brittle basin]

why did you hide it oda? where are the numbers?

[shadow knoll]

bountyless bums

[tawny panther]

it’s a reason Imu be trying to wipe out entire bloodlines .. cause they know the next generation is always better than the last lol

[brittle basin]

RELEASE THE BOUNTY

[wet condor]

TLDR. Harald may've been strong enough to claim Ragnir but he never did simply because he didn't want to

[trim lily]

rocks bounty was 600 million

lock it in

[golden valley]

Okay, I don’t know if Im explaining it clear.

This statement does not have to mean Harald couldn’t do it previously at his peak when he was King, Harald could be using his younger self as a metric compared to his current strength, not throughout every point of his life because he didn’t try to at every point of his life.

[shadow knoll]

cool

[urban lodge]

Hiding Rocks' bounty was so funny because he drew the damn poster but couldn't show us the numbers

[shadow knoll]

newgate upscale 🗣️

[ashen perch]

Like I said, its just the slight difference that matters here because we were talking about how many characters the hammer can beat. I don't think Harald was incapable of beating the hammer, and neither are a lot of people in general, I just dont think thats how it works. Its an acknowledgement that Ragnir has to make rather than something you force out of him by beating him up. He just thinks his current strength could potentially finally have Ragnir acknowledge his worthiness.

[sage temple]

Harald doesn’t have to constantly attempt to challenge Ragnir for him to know he isn’t strong enough. The fact that he emphasizes his current strength heavily implies Harald was too weak to do it before the Imu buff

[golden valley]

I think we will see Rocks bounty image in the present

I think BB keeps it in his room

Somewhere

[trim lily]

probably

i bet the guy has an entire shrine to him

[urban lodge]

(It would be 1 million berries lower than Buggy which would make things a little too obvious)

[wraith mantle]

do you think if you can overpower ragnir, it matter whether they find you worthy or not?

[ashen perch]

Oda just didnt wanna bother running the numbers through an inflation calculator until they ask him for vivre cards

[wraith mantle]

unless ragnir has some magical barrier around the DF

overpowering the squirrel is the only way

[glacial bear]

It’s tragic but like that’s the natural order of these things. Loki surpassed his dad Harald in strength & both him & his brother will make their parents dream come true.

Zoro will surpass Mihawk. Luffy will surpass Roger. Dead or not. Blackbeard obviously will surpass his dad Xebec. It’s the circle of life

[trim lily]

too lazy to spend a few seconds on google

[ashen perch]

Loki didnt do that though, the squirrel was perfectly fine after the attack and opened the chest for Loki

[trim lily]

he gave ragnir a booboo

[wraith mantle]

ok let me rephrase, overpower the squirrel or have the squirrel acknowledge you as a very powerful being

[ashen perch]

its not like he incapacitated the squirrel to then finally get to the chest, the squirrel recognized his strength, thats all

[stone terrace]

Harald can do both of those

[sage temple]

It’s pretty much a given that it’s about strength and not acknowledgement since Ragnir attacks no matter what and Loki could only beat it with ACoC before it submitted

[ashen perch]

or well, again, strength is an assumption from Harald anyways (this matters because theres another character who will wield it and he wont have the strength)

[wraith mantle]

but if no one could overpower the squirrel in the past, its safe to assume loki is stronger than every single elbaf king in the past, including harald most likely

[tranquil blade]

The squirrel actually opens the chest for Loki

[wraith mantle]

an assumption from the king of elbaf? i will take it as fact for now, tyvm

[indigo yacht]

Ragnir just has to vibe with you that’s it

[trim lily]

maybe it was just vibes

and everyone assumed it was strength

[ashen perch]

Its gonna be a vibe thing, sometimes its strength like in the case of Loki

[tranquil blade]

It could be vibes

[wet condor]

How does it heavily imply that? The only thing that he says is with his current strength, he would be able to claim the fruit. With Imu's buff, he believes he can get it. This is assuming that he's correct that he's actually correct about his strength lacking as the reason he couldn't claim it. Harald could've been too weak pre-Imu buff and in his prime. But nothing about what he says heavily implies that he's talking about being too weak in his prime, pre-Imu buff. For all you and I know, he could be talking about back before he met Ida

And there's no stretch in that

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Ragnir digged that Loki clashed head on with him and did something

[ashen perch]

like he really vibes with strong dudes, but yknow, he can appreciate a good brave warrior of the sea heart too

[tranquil blade]

I mean they have to be buddies now right

[wraith mantle]

socrates maybe right ngl, yall really be downscaling loki for zero

[brittle basin]

well shit just give it some acorns or something. perhaps the zoan personality is like all squirrels

[indigo yacht]

That’s how Usopp will obtain ragnir

[trim lily]

the squirrel looked pretty pissed here so maybe theres something that got offscreened

[indigo yacht]

#trust

[tranquil blade]

Well he did get uhh hit in the head

Pretty hard

[brittle basin]

this confused me too. perhaps it's mad at the pain or that it lost but still respected loki's strength

[wraith mantle]

rob san, we gonna get a stream tomorrow?

[wet condor]

I don't think Oda particularly cared about grounding the worthiness in anything beyond strength though

[trim lily]

yeah but shouldnt it have wanted to fight someone strong and worthy

[tranquil blade]

Idk maybe that was enough

[glacial bear]

That is such a cute hammer

[stone terrace]

Now imagine harald swings his sword full power with acoc at ragnir

[tranquil blade]

Maybe Ragnir didnt wanna get hit in the head again

[glacial bear]

I need Ragnir MERCHANDISE NOW

[stone terrace]

Harald is very very fucking strong

[trim lily]

ragnir explodes

[wraith mantle]

its also possible all previous elbaf kings were fodder

[tranquil blade]

The sword would break of course

[wet condor]

In real life, the sword should break lol

[ornate tartan]

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