also-manga

[random hinge]

hello

[leaden rivet]

But he does make a lot of stupid decisions due to the situation he’s in

[pulsar path]

I mean idk

[wraith mantle]

his pacifism wasnt the issue

[leaden rivet]

By selling his country off. And giving them all the leverage.

[pulsar path]

I don't think he's like brain dead but naive and oblivious

[void knot]

He mainly just wanted people to stop thinking of Elbaf as a Nation of Brutes thatre only capable to war. I dont know how he got so convinced that joining the WG would solve that. Given how every indication pointed to the opposite being true.

Take the giant unit in the Marines. Technically they work for the WG but what're their primary uses within the organization? Fighting. They're used for military might.

Galley ra or however its spelled were literally imprisoned in Ice if rumors are to be believed but I dont know that Harold knows that for a fact.

In any case, there were plenty of signs that Harold was getting played, and even people who he should have trusted telling him that very thing, and he ignored all of it.

[ashen perch]

No I mean the issue of Elbaf's barbarism, he did actually resolve it lol

[random hinge]

how much nonviolent philosophy have you read

[stone terrace]

i dont think its much of an issue provided you actually have a real respectable military

[leaden rivet]

I don’t think he did.

[latent hamlet]

literally saying harald's efforts are paying off

[ashen perch]

He quite clearly did lol

[pulsar path]

Maybe ignorant more correct for Harold

[leaden rivet]

Theyre listening to him because he’s king, but when he dies what next?

[ashen perch]

And again, he didn't sell his country

[stone terrace]

harald actually unintentionally foiled the wg in the present by having the giants be weakened

[barren token]

Fighting for the marines and the usual pillaging giants were doing are two very different things though lol

[distant vine]

Thank God Oda actually SHOWED something for once

[wraith mantle]

harald believed in the saying "i have no enemies"

[pulsar path]

I mean he did

[distant vine]

😭

[leaden rivet]

If you hamfist all these changes in a population they’re going to reset

[pulsar path]

He just didn't realize it

[leaden rivet]

Things don’t just change that quickly

[ashen perch]

He was ready to appoint a younger like minded king?

He said that just this chapter

[leaden rivet]

I know

[distant vine]

Well, he was trying to instill these ideals into Loki and Hajrudin

[dense haven]

it doesn't really matter since the demon buff already covers it

[leaden rivet]

And that king may agree with what he says for now, but there’s no certainty that it maintains or they will be as desperate as he is

You can’t change a culture that quickly

[stone terrace]

But...

[ashen perch]

The cycle continues, the foundations have been strongly built now and its upto his successor that he was going to appoint

[barren token]

Even saul and Ida say Harold was going too far with how hard he was giving up the warrior aspect of elbaf

[leaden rivet]

Yes I’m aware

The foundations were rushed and horribly built

[distant vine]

Idk it seems he did change the culture very quickly

[ashen perch]

Why wouldn't he

[wraith mantle]

hmm when did saul say that?

[distant vine]

Harald has been dead but all of Elbaph has been chill

[sage temple]

Literally the next panel Imu says otherwise

[barren token]

This chapter

[sage temple]

This doesn't defend Harald at all

[distant vine]

The only guys that really roughouse are Dorry and Broggy who werent even there for it

[leaden rivet]

Why wouldn’t who?

[pulsar path]

Harold is over compensating and tbh usual that means he's doing it for the wrong reasons somewhat

[latent hamlet]

ye
doesnt change the fact he made progress in the public eye

[sage temple]

Harald was directly told that he wouldn't be able to relinquish the throne

[wraith mantle]

we need more characters like garp and harald

[sage temple]

He's not defendable at all

He's a bum

Thank god Loki stopped him

[pulsar path]

I mean Loki is literally a bum but okay lol

[latent hamlet]

i mean, death by loki is probably exactly what harald wanted

[sage temple]

Yet Loki has the balls to kill and speak up to Imu vessels

[pulsar path]

Bro lives with wild animals outside = bum

[sage temple]

Oh

[barren token]

Like the story does not agree with how hard Harold went here

[ashen perch]

I mean the next king, why wouldn't he maintain the same ideology when the whole idea is to look for a guy who will lol. This hypothetical wasn't gonna happen

[sage temple]

ic

[random hinge]

harald's an idealist i thought that was clear

[wraith mantle]

damn even his best advisors are telling him you going way too far

[leaden rivet]

@fallen meteor I decided to give up on Portuguese. And I’m going for mandarin.

[barren token]

And i think the giants leaning back into the warrior aspect is a big thing going into the ending of elbaf

[sage temple]

Did Harald also want 113 giant guards to die in that castle as a result of his choices?

[wraith mantle]

rocks also told him don't de-militarize

[ashen perch]

They're going to find a balance

[leaden rivet]

You’re looking at it way too naively. Just because he looks for a likeminded king it doesn’t mean they’re going to be as pliable as he is or that they’re going to maintain the same beliefs he does.

[latent hamlet]

shit happens

[sage temple]

Harald was the reason 113 giant guards died in that castle and if he wasn't a sellout Elbaph would be in a better place

[dense haven]

its too late now because elbaf will fail

[barren token]

So true

[lofty fern]

😆 How long did you spend on it?

[grand flower]

Yeah seeing Harald like tjis made me uncomfortable

Poor guy

[sage temple]

Without Loki Haraldmu likely would've destroyed that island

[wraith mantle]

listen elbaf may not be in a better spot rn, but it is definitely on a path to be better

harald just laid out the path

[leaden rivet]

It’s hard to determine because I rage quit a lot over the years but I would say about 3-4 months dedicated lol

[bleak plover]

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear the story is telling the reader that was not the right way to do it, but also how, when push comes to shove, there's not much you can do.

Harald is pretty explicit in how he chose wrong and all that was left was to stick to his guns.

[latent hamlet]

but this entire channel is arguing whether elbaf WOULD be in a better place at this point in time if harald didnt go with the WG at all

[stone terrace]

If your country is only safe because luffy stepped in at the right time i think its safe to say you failed

[latent hamlet]

thats just the entirety of the plot

[leaden rivet]

Every one piece country ever

[distant vine]

Yeah every leader is bad then

[sage temple]

^^^

[lofty fern]

I think that's every country then

[wraith mantle]

punk hazard begs to disagree

[dense haven]

imu is gonna mog luffy

[wraith mantle]

luffy came in and fucked up shit up

[barren token]

Syrup village FAILED

[distant vine]

Except my goat Iceburg cause Water 7 would still be safe

🔥

[wraith mantle]

and just left

[ashen perch]

I really don't see why they won't lol, like for example if it was Hajrudin who he had in mind, who is going to be the eventual king for sure now, I think it would have worked out well lol

[lofty fern]

Wouldn't he be dead?

[bleak plover]

The whole point of most of these flashbacks have been how bloody bleak the world was and reinforcing the fact NOW is the time to bring it all down.

[candid slate]

He brought that upon himself

[sage temple]

He likely would have because Harald spent his time pillaging and taking other nation's resources

You're going to hell and back to try and say Harald was in the right here

[distant vine]

Maybe but Water 7 would be fine

[ashen perch]

That's just silly

[urban lodge]

Today's fans would blame Riku for getting puppeteered by Doflamingo

[grand flower]

Sure

[sage temple]

Harald should've listened to Loki

[stone terrace]

When you brought it upon yourself i dont think so

[distant vine]

"Dawg why is Dalton just standing there. Is he stupid?"

[wet condor]

I mean…

[sage temple]

Not Vira

[grand flower]

Today’s fans would call bellemere a fraud for not dodging Arlongs shot

[wraith mantle]

who else sold his country?

[stone terrace]

Will elbaf eventually be super prosperous? Yes. But harald shouldnt be applauded

[distant vine]

Actually I think its good to not teach children to go to war

[lofty fern]

Of course, Loki the Almighty. He's never wrong.

[latent hamlet]

But that would ruin his and giants reputation for the longest time

[ashen perch]

In all fairness, the warriors of Elbaf never really even got a fair chance to face against the HKs, they arrived when Imu had already arrived. It was actually the SHs that were spectacularly failing against them lmao

[distant vine]

Maybe you think society should be structured as to where they do. Please dont gain political power

[ashen perch]

And I guess Saul, but like he's barely a warrior now

[void knot]

Harold was wrong on both fronts. He should have kept his ass in his own country if he wanted real change there. Elbaf got along all these years without government oversight. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks. Let them think it.

[wraith mantle]

saul reminds me of cutty

[dense haven]

people still shit on oden today for similar reasons

[distant vine]

"J-Just because Harald's work got him what he wanted that doesnt mean he should get credit for it!"

[muted hedge]

Saul did have a pretty impressive punch

[stone terrace]

Riku objectively failed to protect his country but at the same time there was nothing he couldve done

[sage temple]

He doesn't want to teach children to go to war he wants to give children some discipline why are you just misinterpreting what he's saying on purpose

[bleak plover]

A game I play uses HKS as an untranslated insult and I'm gonna roll with that when referring to them.

[ashen perch]

Dorry and Brogy would have had it handled if it was just the HKs, you guys don't get it

[lofty fern]

It's funny, Luffy and the SHs have actually done nothing to help thus far have they

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-why-are-you-laughing-hell-nah-lmao-oh-hell-no-speed-200-pump-gif-1963457475831277187

[ashen perch]

Yeah, Gaban is the one who played the most significant role against them

[dense rapids]

Useless Hajrudin

[distant vine]

Ylva seems quite disciplined to me. When Loki says he wants discipline in those children assumedly its because he thinks the world should be destroyed...

[ashen perch]

But otherwise the SHs have just been failing lol

Gunko decimated half the crew in 10 pages

[wraith mantle]

dorry and broggy aint doing shit

[bleak plover]

Same for Harald. There was a bunch of choices he could've made, but it's clear none of them were good. He chose the one closes to his idealism, but it was just a pick-your-poison situation and he knew that.

[stone terrace]

Ive had enough

[distant vine]

If Imu wanted Elbaph invaded and blitzed he could have done it even if Harald was single-mindedly focused on stopping it tbh

[dense haven]

imu is gonna dog walk luffy back to windmill village

[stone terrace]

What is bad about elbaf pre 1167

[bleak plover]

You can take some more.

[sage temple]

This is the result of Harald's attempted killing of warrior culture

[stone terrace]

Seriously

[wraith mantle]

nothing elbaf is perfect arc

[barren token]

To be fair to harold subjugating elbaf seemed to always be on the WGs to do list maybe forcing them to do it in a really obvious way was the play

[distant vine]

YEAH THIS IS GOOD

CHILDREN DONT NEED TO SWING WEAPONS

[stone terrace]

I meant the country

After harald turned into a peacemain and before joining the wg

[steel stirrup]

If you desire peace

You must prepare for war

[tranquil blade]

No CoC btw

[ashen perch]

Loki is also a violent idiot I wouldn't really care about his opinion

[stone terrace]

You guys make it sound like elbaf was struggling HARD

[barren token]

They can swing a little weapons

[bleak plover]

Let's fluffing go PEACEMAIN USED IN REGULAR OP TALK LET'S FLUFFING GO

[barren token]

As a treat

[stone terrace]

and harald had no choice or everyone dies

[sage temple]

If Loki is a violent idiot then so is Luffy

[wraith mantle]

it was perfect, they just probably weren't able to get certain resources because they stopped pillaging and very few people wanna trade with them

[ashen perch]

He wants a baby Ylva to learn how to fight, he's genuinely stupid

[tranquil blade]

😭

[sage temple]

Luffy actively beats on Momo

[urban lodge]

Yes?

[bleak plover]

I'll assure ya, the story will end with the creation of Peacemains, I'm willing to bet Oda never forgot about that idea.

[distant vine]

Yes Luffy is a violent idiot

[sage temple]

He wants them to learn how to defend themselves

[distant vine]

Thats why Luffy doesnt choose how society is structured

[sage temple]

Which they couldn't clearly

Especially at the time

[distant vine]

Unless you want to say Garp's way of upbringing is right, #GarpDidNothingWrong

[sage temple]

I imagine Dorry and Brogy brought back some of that warrior culture

[ashen perch]

That they've shown so far. The conquerors of the entire New World, the world's singular most fearsome creatures 100 years ago, they're gonna have CoC

[stone terrace]

Harald was a HYPOCRITE that should have EXECUTED dorry and broggy

[wraith mantle]

other than harald/elbaf, where has oda explored peacemains in the story?

[tranquil blade]

but have they shown it tho

[steel stirrup]

Harald wanted peace but didnt understand that you can't have true peace if you are incapable of defending yourself

What's the point of fighting for peace when it can be taken easily.

[sage temple]

👍

[tranquil blade]

I actually feel like if they did have it we wouldve seen it already

[distant vine]

Children shouldnt be learning how to defend themselves...unless you live in a dystopia

[wraith mantle]

dorry and broggy wont have conq

[ashen perch]

Nothing is preventing these kids from doing that, most just do not want to

[wraith mantle]

unless its imu's haki flowing through them

[stone terrace]

The karate dojo market just collapsed

[bleak plover]

Rumbar Pirates is an example. Not exactly the idea of "a subcareer for pirates", but the notion that piracy born out of a pursuit of freedom also comes with the conscious, free decision to do good in the world.

[steel stirrup]

And that willful ignorance is what infuriates me so

[ashen perch]

Wait for the 2v2 with Zosan

[steel stirrup]

Thats the dumbest shit I've ever heard

[ashen perch]

You guys might be a little violent

[void knot]

Still crazy to me how everyone in Elbaf blames Loki for what happened to Harold because of what Jarul says when Jarul is the one walking around with Harold's sword embedded in his skull. Seems kinda obvious that its kinda sus that Jarul's testimony is carrying weight that Loki was the culprit when Loki has never even used a sword. Looks to me like Jarul is the one literally carrying around evidence that Harold attacked him, not Loki. This whole Elders thing in Elbaf needs to be abolished when their word carries more weight than that of the fuckin King.

[distant vine]

Nah I said something very smart and revolutionary actually

[ashen perch]

These are babies, these are children

[wraith mantle]

it would be imu's conq

[sage temple]

Yeah that's what Loki is saying there. They're all addicted to peace with no idea how to defend themselves

[urban lodge]

These are like 6 year olds in human years

[wraith mantle]

oh nvm

[sage temple]

Because they don't want to

[wraith mantle]

they are domi'd not possessed

[distant vine]

Everyone TAKE NOTES

"Don't put children in the military. ✍️ "

[tranquil blade]

I mean they can be very strong without CoC, they're still giants afterall

[bleak plover]

And I think Peacemains are a good compromise between absolute anarchy (a world of piracy) and totalitarism (Marines). Just people taking to the sea and either doing wrong or good or inbetween. But Peacemains as a concept is really neat.

[distant vine]

Addicted to peace

[steel stirrup]

6 year old can take Karate classes whats your point

[dense rapids]

They’re giant warriors from Elbaph

[distant vine]

Saying that unironically LMAOOOOOOOO

[tranquil blade]

Child warfare is bad I think

[bleak plover]

Yeah, why give them weapons when they're clearly craving the mines?

[stone terrace]

But anyway harald is a prime example of monarchy being bad and decisions should be made with checks and balances

[thick mango]

This is a fighting world though. Elbaf criticizes the idea that no conflict and ability to fight is required

[ashen perch]

They're gonna be even stronger

[sage temple]

‼️

[stone terrace]

Odd that the elders allowed him to do this but marrying ida was the final straw though

[barren token]

Elbaf children should NOT BE NERDS

[distant vine]

Did Harald even agree to having no military?

[barren token]

Unironically

[grand flower]

Idk tbh I can see the logic. When people wanted to teach children school shooting drills, a lot of people were wondering “Wait why is that the response we’re taking”

[wet condor]

I disagree actually but this would get political I guess lol

[sage temple]

Harald was pushing the agenda of completely ditching warrior culture

[bleak plover]

TBF not like it hasn't happened in the real world.

[steel stirrup]

No one is saying to create a nation of child soldiers but NOT teaching them basic self defense in a world like this is just bad parenting.

[barren token]

Probably not, said any giants that want could join the marines

[ashen perch]

Harald has not demilitarized Elbaf, that's just blatantly false when Ripley is part of a Warrior unit herself

[distant vine]

Yeah so people are being ridiculous

[ashen perch]

He said that those who want to pursue that path, they can

[distant vine]

Not having a warrior culture is fine lol

[thick mango]

Who would join any military with the over the top culture of pacifism that's spread. You don't go decades embracing that and then be ready to defend your country when you turn whatevers a giant adult age

[latent hamlet]

have we really reached the point that we're bringing up karate dojos from IRL to be a reference that elbaf children should receive military training

[thick mango]

Not having a warrior culture is fine. But having a naively pacifist culture isn't. You gotta find somewhere in the middle

[ashen perch]

But we also saw one guy be quite pleased with getting to retire, the people of Elbaf loved peace, they loved Harald

[distant vine]

Its not an over the top culture of pacifism to have kids go to school and read at the library actually

[ruby moat]

Just give the kids guns those things require hardly any training

[steel stirrup]

Teach them lil niggas how to throw a punch or something

[stone terrace]

Offer free college if they join the military

[ashen perch]

You guys are violent

[sage temple]

They do need to learn how to defend themselves

[wraith mantle]

well would you consider enrolling your kids in a martial arts program a dystopian thing?

its not entirely for self defense but also self discipline and a good hobby to keep your body active

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/waoocrew-gif-25516757

[sage temple]

Loki was being realistic

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-19494422

[hearty shore]

second amendment is a mistake

[grand flower]

Elbaph @ Harald

[wet condor]

I will be teaching my children how to handle a gun at a very young age. That is all I will say in that lol

[steel stirrup]

The world they live in is violent.

[bleak plover]

Harald was pretty clear in his intent. Giant warriors can exist, but Elbaph and Giantkin are NOT to be known as a warring society.

[sage temple]

Nothing's really wrong with teaching kids self defense

[deep chasm]

if its mandatory its getting there tbf

[sage temple]

Especially if they live in the new world

[steel stirrup]

At all

[lofty fern]

No, he still has a military, as we can see from the guards. He even said he was okay with people still wanting to be warriors when he was younger. I think though that he'd been so frustrated as of late that it all came out with Ida, but I don't think he had a problem with it really

[deep chasm]

when you make it mandatory to know how to fight it becomes controversial

[wraith mantle]

i see

[digital spear]

Maybe they are the real warrior culture

[bleak plover]

The whole point is to forcefully and swiftly turn the world's preconceived notions of Giantkin.

[sage temple]

You're acting like teaching a kid to use a sword is like giving them cancer or something

[distant vine]

Well this is very much different to me than encouraging military.

Especially considering from Harald's perspective, the warrior culture means to go and conquer others, to be an aggressor in the world.

[alpine trench]

https://x.com/IfihasR5/status/1997339941441835356?s=20

Rayo_R5 (@IfihasR5)

#ONEPIECE1167
Figarland Shanks

X · Dec 6, 2025, 4:18 PM

[stone terrace]

Mandatory service is a thing in a lot of small developed countries, no?

[grand flower]

I’m telling you dawg, think about it in terms of teaching pre-school children gun defense and you can see how it’s a little weird

[thick mango]

We know for a fact there are forces in this world that would love to take advantage of their pacifism and enslave them. It's not theoretical speculation.

[lofty fern]

Cute

[tough igloo]

thankfully at least one of the younger generation giants is Collon.. he seems to still have that warriors pride that Rocks was asking Harald about (probably thanks to gaban lol)

[steel stirrup]

Im not violent but I'm also not a weakling who cant throw a punch

[bleak plover]

South Korea does it.

[wet condor]

This is cool. I feel like he looks a lil too aristocratic with his features but yes I understand that’s what the artist is going for lol

[deep chasm]

well its still controversial. Cant speak for other countries, but you can easily argue it shouldnt be mandatory for kids to know how to fight

[distant vine]

Maybe I spoke hyperbolically but by self defense I didnt mean anything that keeps them safe. I was specifically talking about the military

[hearty shore]

#also-manga when i show them the concept of police and military

[steel stirrup]

If you desire peace you MUST be prepared for war

Simple as that

[ruby moat]

It’s not for the sake of teaching them tho it’s bc they need the manpower

[sage temple]

Well thats because in your example you're acting like it's real life when things that require things like this rarely happen compared to One Piece

[lofty fern]

And yet he's also an idiot with no self control that nearly got his father killed, so tit for that

[wet condor]

I just don’t think that fits Shanks. He should be a bit more rugged looking

[grand flower]

I don’t think it’s meant to be like, analogous to having a military

I think it’s more like “let’s teach kids how to handle school shooters” you kinda do have to sit back and wonder how that became so ingrained into the culture

[sage temple]

Of course it'd be weird because you live in a world that doesn't have the type of atrocities that happen in One Piece happen daily

[alpine trench]

he looked like that as a devoted blade

[distant vine]

Elbaph has warriors so theyre covered there

[deep chasm]

but its shanks while hes acting like a CD I think it fits

[barren token]

We're losing the plot here

[sage temple]

Ethnocentrism final boss

[digital spear]

My dad can beat your dad

[steel stirrup]

You have a dad?

[thick mango]

But at this rate with how far they went in the other direction they won't have warriors in a generation

[wet condor]

I mean in terms of his facial features.

[tough igloo]

Collon is still a TRUE Elbaf Giant at heart 🙏🏾 Gaban you did good lol

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-obama-handshake-gif-14751410

[distant vine]

We are definetly losing the plot

[barren token]

We're really losing the plot here

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-marco-roronoa-zoro-star-entrance-gif-9020399306019025720

[alpine trench]

the fuck is going on here

[stone terrace]

Run harsh

[bleak plover]

Every now and then I am reminded this is a real thing and I feel once again disgusted.

[wraith mantle]

gaban introducing shanks in the castlr incident

[wet condor]

In OP I think he looks less delicate actually

[ruby moat]

Ppl tryna say war is good or some shit

[urban lodge]

You can easily identify the americans in this discussion

[lofty fern]

I think they have time. They live super long

[hearty shore]

WAR IS GOD

[steel stirrup]

Where is that said

[distant vine]

Ylva needs to leave school and learn how to burn down a port like the goat DAVY D. XEBEC

[bleak plover]

War is Peace.

[sage temple]

Ppl are trying to say war is something you should be prepared for

[barren token]

The problem is literally just that Harold is producing nerdy children

[wraith mantle]

how so

[digital spear]

THEN GO FIND IT GEEZ

[grand flower]

I don’t see how what the marines and pirates get to up as adults isn’t analogous to like, police and criminals who engage in gun violence

You wouldn’t normalize teaching children gun defense just because gun violence is common. So I see why teaching children one-piece-style combat is a negative thing

[distant vine]

Found it. The plot is the Law cover story thats coming in 3 months

[thick mango]

Its naive to think that if you just fully embrace pacifism that things are going to go alright. Youre going to have a bad time at the mercy of others who didnt fully embrace pacifism

[ruby moat]

I personally think sending kids to kill people is bad. Idk about y’all tho

[grand flower]

Just because it’s common in tjis world doesnt mean it doesn’t look weird when you step back and look at it

[bleak plover]

I left it and everything in this world in that place.

[distant vine]

Nobody is fully embracing pacifism

[grand flower]

Teaching children how to death battle IS very strange

[wraith mantle]

you just gonna be invaded by violent neighours lol

[bleak plover]

I am.

[distant vine]

Elbaph doesnt have a no-fighting rule

[steel stirrup]

What's the point of giving your life for peace when that peace is left in the hands of those incapable of defending it

[grand flower]

This is literally what created Kaido

[alpine trench]

[distant vine]

Well I guess Steph does

[bleak plover]

Thanks.

[hearty shore]

oda lowk teaching gen z & millenials how to start heated arguments over politics

[urban lodge]

I think the naivety is besides the point, it's not wrong to not want children to have to embrace violence

[sage temple]

Especially if Harald is completely aware of how evil the people he's subjecting his country to are in the first place

[ruby moat]

Well when the ones that choose to learn the art of the blade are GIANTS then u got less to worry about. It’s not like nobody can learn the blade it’s just not encourages to children

[steel stirrup]

No one is saying that

[barren token]

Elbaf children should unironically know how to death battle but they should also be able to know this without going out and waging war on other nations for no reason

[wraith mantle]

i wonder what you guys think about mandatory military training at 18

[thick mango]

yeah exactly try giving your "Cooperation benefits us all! Violence is destructive! Cant we all just get along!" Speech to someone holding you at gunpoint, see how they receive it

[urban lodge]

Costa rica is doing fine

[grand flower]

Harald makes it clear that those who wish to learn how to fight can still do so. They would just also be part of the Navy, which Elbaph would have ubiquitous access to, and that’s what would defend Elbaph

It’s not hard to see why that’s better than teaching children how to death battle

[distant vine]

Doesnt exist in my country, so I'm inclined to say no

[wet condor]

An advocate if i was a head of state

[distant vine]

But hell even thats less extreme than complaining about Ylva

[void knot]

My Mom can beat your Dad. XD

[barren token]

I don't know where people are getting the idea that Harold like, made fighting illegal

[steel stirrup]

No one is saying to force the children to become war mongers but not teaching them basic self defense in the world they live in is wild

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17464623

[distant vine]

Ylva is like an elementary schooler in giant years

[bleak plover]

Imma be real with you, chief, in regular conditions, a Giant child has no need to know that when a flick of their wrist can obliterate an entire building.

[stone terrace]

Theyre kinda implicitly protected by the USA lol

[wraith mantle]

isnt ylva the ancient giant kid?

[ruby moat]

Elbaf still has warriors they’re just not encouraging their children to become warriors

[stone terrace]

I dare someone to try something

[wraith mantle]

all ancient giants need to learn how to fight

[distant vine]

Its very normal for my world 😭 😭

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[lofty fern]

That's not really a problem? He wants to make a society where kids don't have to learn how to fight. I think he'd prefer they don't be warriors, but I think he would have been okay if that's actually what they wanted. He even said he'd be okay for those who want to fight to join the marines or some army or something. He never told Loki or Hajrudin they couldn't be warriors. I think he was upset when he talked to Ida, but we also know that originally he was okay with saving part of the warrior culture. I think over time after he had kind settled again after all this loss, he would have been okay with it

[stone terrace]

Now tbf you could argue thats what harald wanted by joining the government

[steel stirrup]

Until Imu wifi jacks you and tells you to make more warriors

[wraith mantle]

its not a bad idea eh

[distant vine]

Ok wait, I'll give you this. Elbaph does have to contend with bad actors who would like to attack it

[steel stirrup]

What is

[barren token]

They're all nerds except colon explain that

[thick mango]

thats the thing though, harald or elbaf in general dont get to say whether or not they will need the ability to defend themselves. The need is imposed on them externally

[wet condor]

Not in my opinion lol

[grand flower]

Would you think it strange if pre-schools started doing classes on how to defend yourself from gun violence, something as ubiquitous as the violence in the OP world?

[distant vine]

Children not growing up with the mindset of war preparedness

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-slap-gif-17372698188904737978

This is how they contend with it, yo.

[grand flower]

Was Harald supposed to see this coming?

[steel stirrup]

Gun safety maybe

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-gif-27532263

[steel stirrup]

I mean...

[void knot]

I just watched a falcon completely body a bunny. Thing never even saw it coming.

[steel stirrup]

Yea

[grand flower]

You’d teach pre-schoolers gun safety

?

[barren token]

I mean they couldn't destroy an elbad building with a flick of their wrist

[sage temple]

Absolutely dawg

He was def supposed to see that coming

[distant vine]

"Hakiman defense"

[steel stirrup]

I would ask the question of why ts is necessary

[hazy turret]

[lofty fern]

Because maybe they want to be? It's like 15 kids? I can get through 15 kids at my school and not one of them wants to be a soldier. That's okay isn't it?

[wraith mantle]

what even is gun safety

[grand flower]

That’s exactly what Harald is saying

[digital spear]

Well I wouldnt teach them gun danger

[steel stirrup]

Every time they give him a "task" its always violent in nature

[thick mango]

treat gun like its always loaded even if you think its not, dont rest you finger on the trigger, dont point it at anyone, how the safety works, etc

[grand flower]

What about this was supposed to tell Harald that Imu had the power to magically take over his fuckin mind

[barren token]

Where's the warrior spirit... gone... just nerds left standing....

[lofty fern]

I guess Otohime shouldn't have wanted to join the world government either, even knowing how bad it was?

[bleak plover]

In theory Elbaph would never have infighting that cannot be resolved swiftly and avoiding violence. That'd be a consequence of Harald's reforms.

[void knot]

Guns arent dangerous. People are.

[wraith mantle]

nah but how is that gonna help if there was a school shooter

[grand flower]

Harald is an adult

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[thick mango]

oh was that the origin of that? idk lol id say it wont

[ruby moat]

No guns are definitely dangerous

[hearty shore]

nitroglycerin isn't explosive on contact, people are

[hazy turret]

Oh boy

[wraith mantle]

yeah lmao

[grand flower]

He literally says there’s nothing wrong with the adults becoming fighters

[wraith mantle]

ok buddy

[steel stirrup]

But if they treat the King of the nation like that, why would he assume they would spare his nation the same fate

[grand flower]

Harald wants to change the country becausw a country where it’s normal for children to be violent is fuckin weird

[ruby moat]

Give a 4 year old a gun and u won’t be saying “guns aren’t dangerous, ppl are!”

[sage temple]

He's aware of this and says he'd relinquish his crown because of the fact that he'd be a servant of Imu

[urban lodge]

Lol we're entering dangerous territory

[bleak plover]

I have never heard this opinion in isolation and it's never accompanied by anything good.

[grand flower]

That’s what created Kaido lol

Kaido’s entire backstory is about how that’s a bad bad idea

[sage temple]

Yet Imu tells him not to

[hazy turret]

No gun debate please guys

[sage temple]

I mean he isn't aware of all of it

[hazy turret]

PLEASE

[sage temple]

But

[grand flower]

I think it’s best we leave it here

You and I specifically

[stone terrace]

This has gone on long enough

[hearty shore]

this is like vivi yelling at alabastans to stop fighting

[sage temple]

Yeah I agree

[stone terrace]

Open #politics

The gloves are off

[lofty fern]

Possibly. There are probably some that will decide that they still want to be, but they can probably decide that when they're older. Theser kids are like 6 years old. Let them have their childhood. That why they don't all end up like dumb idiots like Collun

[bleak plover]

Live worm reaction.

[steel stirrup]

I'm sick of talking about Harald tbh

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-vrchat-vr-emperor-of-vrchat-blackbeard-gif-19995325

[hazy turret]

If I was owner I would bring it back for April fools

[wraith mantle]

you are to harald what penny is to rocks

[sage temple]

10/10 topic change Rokaya

[wraith mantle]

💔

[void knot]

Sure, they definitely can be. Whoch is why more people should be taught about how to use them responsibly. Any common tool can be dangerous depending how you use it. A spatula can be dangerous if you use it like a hatchet.

[distant vine]

I do think Elbaph's kids have shown their resolve with the whole hostage situation. It's a bit silly to me to see kids playing and school and go "BUT WHAT IF IMU INVADES THEY HAVE TO BE READY" like chill out bro lmao

[hearty shore]

"back"?

[grand flower]

What? Assigning adults missions of violence is literally what being a soldier, police officer, or in the case of OP, the Marines

[sage temple]

Oh 8/10

[steel stirrup]

I don't hate Harald like Penny hates Rocks i just thinks he's a dumbass

[random hinge]

reopen #agenda-prison

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/political-tww-starboard-politics-gif-18079403

[grand flower]

Harald isn’t denouncing violence

[hazy turret]

We’re dropping this man, not the place

[sage temple]

6/10

[grand flower]

Harald is denouncing WORSHIPPING violence

[urban lodge]

Exactly

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-why-are-you-laughing-hell-nah-lmao-oh-hell-no-speed-200-pump-gif-1963457475831277187

[grand flower]

Harald is trying to have Elbaph go from seeing violence as a way of life to a tool

[blazing depot]

God forbid kids be kids

[sage temple]

Rokaya you should make me a mod so I can resolve this

[steel stirrup]

But to believe that they wouldn't expect the same from your fiefdom, I dont understand.

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-man-guy-evil-whisper-gif-16225917572032847521

[ruby moat]

https://tenor.com/view/pffttt-7tv-twitch-gif-12963762873218034436

[hazy turret]

The day you become mod is the day I leave the server

[sage temple]

The day I become a mod is the day Bartsky gets banned

[hearty shore]

hey guys did you know if two people used greater ACOC on someone under domi reversi than the latter, it'll undo the curse?

[wraith mantle]

ngl i never thought we would reach guns

[hazy turret]

That’s crazy

[wraith mantle]

but yeah insane sprawl

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrant-call-me-a-tyrant-gif-13423045

[thick mango]

i guess im not sure the extent to which harald would agree that violence sometimes is a necessary tool that some people in your society need to be experienced in. Maybe im assuming hyperbole from harald here when hes actually more nuanced and reasonable

[grand flower]

Harald had no way of knowing the government would use children and civilians as war fodder

[hazy turret]

This is what happens when also manga goes unsupervised

[ruby moat]

I’m not worried.

[sage temple]

Ngl It's lowk because I said Loki was right

[steel stirrup]

A lore drop that went unnoticed

[wraith mantle]

they never wanna admit loki is right

[sage temple]

And Loki said kids should learn how to use swords

[wraith mantle]

wild stuff

[sage temple]

So that got the gun analogy

[steel stirrup]

I'm having trouble buying that

[random hinge]

we're good

[grand flower]

I figured the people here were savvy enough to approach the subject tastefully like I did but ig not

[lofty fern]

I didn't think about it, but did Harald cut his arm off here?

[sage temple]

Just lmk when you need me

[hearty shore]

you underestimate this server

[sage temple]

The offer is open snod

[barren token]

Did anyone else expect onigashima to start with luffy and kaido both blasting conq and each other and knowing out a third off the fodder fighting immediately

[random hinge]

no thanks

[bleak plover]

More like what happens when fireworks go unsupervised for 8 centuries.

[grand flower]

What was supposed to tell him that?? The government doesnt do that openly. The only times they do that is when they take in children for Cipher Pol or other clandestine operations

Harald wouldn’t know about that side of them

[wet condor]

I wish conq was still used like this

[stone terrace]

Acoc ruined it

We'll only get those clashes now

[hazy turret]

Harald was ashamed of his culture and history and fell for the WG propaganda, simple as

[ruby moat]

Harald is supposed to know what we the readers know and he’s stupid for not

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-leaving-jordan-leave-charlotte-hornets-gif-6122328990435530945

[hazy turret]

He could have been more skeptical but I think he was just desperate and blinded for progress

[steel stirrup]

Omfg

[grand flower]

It’s kinda impossible to have a real conversation about this while tip toeing around political subjects because everyone’s arguments are about what options Harald had politically

[void knot]

Personally I dont see how Harold got off thinking he knew a damn thing about what was best for Elbaf when bro was rarely there. Dude stayed gone.

[bleak plover]

You're so real for this.

[thick mango]

i dont think im holding harald to the standard of omniscent reader knowledge. He did have enough knowledge to suspect this might have gone bad.

[wraith mantle]

[steel stirrup]

Thank you

[tough igloo]

i’m starting to think Elbaf ends with Hajrudin taking over as King of Elbaf & Loki replaces him as the Captain of the New Giant Warrior Pirates .. Harald saying he wants someone young & pure as the next king makes me think it’s def Hajrudin .. that way they’re “ both leading elbaf together “ like harald wanted just in different ways

[bleak plover]

I genuinely believe this person is spice's alt.

[wraith mantle]

I hope elbaf prospers by EOS
And maybe we get a shot of harald looking down from heaven with a proud smile on his face

[grand flower]

This was an unaffiliated nation. Harald was under the impression they were basically nationalists(idk the right word) who extended decency to their inside group, but not to their outside groups. That’s why he didn’t expect them to do that to Elbaph since elbaph was going to be in the in group

[steel stirrup]

Looking up***

[wraith mantle]

Oh hell no

[wet condor]

In real life, where his decisions have real consequences, more people would call him stupid lol

[steel stirrup]

He made a deal with the devil bro is going to double hell

[void knot]

You're genuinely wrong then. @steel stirrup knows who I am.

[wet condor]

They call other people in the story stupid for less lol

[stone terrace]

It would be rather easy to join the world government when it isnt controlled by ruthless despots

[steel stirrup]

Nah thats Alice

[wraith mantle]

Oh shit

[stone terrace]

So yeah elbaf will have a seat i imagine

[grand flower]

He also had enough to buy that it was going to go well. He’s seen that the government benefits its own just as much as it exploits the outsiders. He also saw Elbaph’s standard of living and connections improve with his affiliation with the gov

[runic dock]

Who else watched the diddy documentary

[wraith mantle]

???

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[steel stirrup]

But this panel disproved the notion that he had no idea who he was dealing with.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/diddu-gif-11877375868288354789

[runic dock]

Dude is a one piece villain

Like goddamn

[void knot]

Diabolical

[grand flower]

No it doesn’t because my point was that Harald was under the impression that being within the government would make a difference

[runic dock]

Rip Tupac and biggie tho

[thick mango]

Yeah im not in the "harald was a fuckin idiot" camp, its more like he knew he did have the capability to know he was taking a risk and his new overlords might not be as benevolent as he hoped.

[wraith mantle]

He behind Tupac??

[void knot]

Giants in general have a bad habit of not asking questions they should be asking.

[steel stirrup]

How did that work out

[runic dock]

Him and biggie , he was responsible for both deaths ultimately

[wraith mantle]

Damm

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-game-of-thrones-it's-understood-everyone-knows-we-know-gif-9361879955269503159

[stone terrace]

Im genuinely pissed at saul and harald not getting a more in depth convo

[grand flower]

I think Oda did a good job of portraying how either conclusion could be reached and how a man like Harald would come to the wrong one

[hazy turret]

That’s like the one argument that’s legit imo

[runic dock]

The way he moved is seriously very Orochi like , I can see what irl examples Oda studied

[hazy turret]

No one told harald the details of ohara?

[wraith mantle]

Now I wanna watch the documentary

[void knot]

Ngl, these girls in the story were so chill. They just be vibin about everything.

[wraith mantle]

Is it on Netflix??

[steel stirrup]

Seeing the rest of the world learn what the hood already knew is wild in real time

[digital spear]

The Saul Harald Podcast

[runic dock]

Worth it , yes on Netflix

[wraith mantle]

Bet

[grand flower]

The entire point of Imu and the government as villains is that they are able to convincingly cast the illusion of prosperity via the government

[steel stirrup]

The streets have known for decades that Diddy was behind Pac and Biggies death

[grand flower]

You only have this outlook on Harald because you know it’s a sham

Harald does not

[digital spear]

No way bro

[runic dock]

I knew he had somewhat of a hand in Tupac, but finding out how deep it was and how he setup biggie is another thing…goddamn…

[grand flower]

It doesnr make sense to hold Harald to what we know

[void knot]

Yeah, facts.

[leaden rivet]

It’s kinda funny how surprised people will be about how evil the WG is as if the CD’s are hiding the shit lol

[digital spear]

I might need to watch it

[hazy turret]

Why is there a diddy discussion rn

[runic dock]

For the sake of one piece villain case studies , do it

[digital spear]

Earl spoiled us on Diddy lore 💀 #western-series

[steel stirrup]

I'm not doing that or at least im not trying to do that

Ijs he was warned and ignored the red flags

[runic dock]

It’s related to one piece

[leaden rivet]

I can’t wait for Koby to have his big realization that the Slavers are actually evil

[runic dock]

You see how I’m tying it in?

[hazy turret]

If marineford wasn’t enough to make him realize then I don’t know what will

[void knot]

Lmaooo "western series"

[wraith mantle]

Bartsky will eat that shit up

[leaden rivet]

I got warned for an AI image that had diddy’s name in it but I guess it’s not an issue now!

[digital spear]

USA spoilers

[wet condor]

On that same timing as Harald

[runic dock]

The warning was for using AI

[hazy turret]

Everyone stopped talking about it

[runic dock]

[steel stirrup]

In seriousness i think him joining SWORD is confirmation of what side he chose but thats just me

[distant vine]

We love Koby

[void knot]

I didnt know anyone was waiting on the edge of their seats for Puffy Lore.

[hazy turret]

We?

[leaden rivet]

Silence.

[steel stirrup]

YES WE

[frigid gulch]

We are jolly good

[hazy turret]

Silence deez nuts

[hazy turret]

We carry the sleigh

[bleak plover]

Bonjour.

[steel stirrup]

Got emm

[dense haven]

cocby is real

[digital spear]

We, yes we, all love Coby

[frigid gulch]

Loby

[digital spear]

WOBY

[leaden rivet]

No. It wasn’t.

[runic dock]

I’m forced to love Koby per the contract I signed

[wraith mantle]

And guess who’s Koby’s father in law

[grand flower]

The details people know of Ohara is that a group of scholars were trying to uncover information that would destroy the world, so the government snuffed them out and a vice admiral went out of his way to kill the civilians as well

Harald knowing about Ohara and making the decision he did still makes sense because we know

1. Harald already views the government thru the lens of “there are horrible people within, but that’s because it’s so massive that it’s impossible to reign everyone in and it’s mostly decent people achieving decent things” so that explains him looking past what Akainu did

2. Harald doesnt know the truth that the information wasn’t actually apocalyptic

[digital spear]

[hazy turret]

Whoa

[runic dock]

Trust me they hate AI in this server more than anything

[grand flower]

Btw we don’t actually know #2 to be true

[urban lodge]

Koby, Kuzan's soon to be killer

[vestal mural]

Why do I get the feeling that this is cropped nsfw akainu art

[grand flower]

Idt the story ever confirms that rhe scholars weren’t digging into info that would destroy the world

[steel stirrup]

Nah

[grand flower]

And now we know nika is a figure that marks the end of the current world

[stray prism]

coby is probably top 5 pink haired male charcter

[grand flower]

So like

[leaden rivet]

No like I talked to one of them and that wasn’t the reason. It would’ve actually made more sense if it was.

[wraith mantle]

I actually don’t know if it’s lmao

[grand flower]

The scholars very well could have been accidentally leading to it

[leaden rivet]

But it’s whatever

[urban lodge]

Yeah nvm actually Koby will only beat him up and then he betrays BB and dies

[runic dock]

Learn to weave it into one piece topics next time

[rose rune]

Lieutenant Colonel Custer dies

[runic dock]

Get away with it like I did

[wraith mantle]

Kuzan is clearly a double agent

[steel stirrup]

No to the first

Yes to the 2nd

[stone terrace]

Harald after coming home from mariejois

[digital spear]

Woby, Wakainu, Warp, Wengoku, Woker, Welmeppo, Washigi, Wus, Wuru, Wibari, Wujaku, Wuzan, Waramaki, Wissho, Wizaru, Wango, Wullbody, Wohn, W-Bone, Wrandnew

Warines

[dense haven]

people gonna join the coby bandwagon soon

[runic dock]

Perfect sentence to cut off the clip at

[hazy turret]

I meant that the information of what happened in ohara not making him more cautious or skeptical of certain things. I think if he had decided to move forward with trying to be apart of the WG and acknowledging that the risk is worth it in his opinion I would get it. But like happily and blindly accepting everything is crazy

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laugh-smile-tom-and-jerry-telugu-gif-16740069

[runic dock]

Wumbo

[grand flower]

We know that’s not how Harald approached it because he says he figured Elbaph would be fine becausw the government is decent to their own

That means Harald considered it

[wet condor]

It'd be easier for people to digest if they saw Harald have more scruple with what he's doing

[bleak plover]

Mambo.

[wet condor]

More introspection

[runic dock]

#5?

[rose rune]

I've always been a Koby fan. Don't look up my message history

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dudidam-mambo-matikane-tannhauser-vtuber-dance-gif-253137180940701003

[bleak plover]

That too.

[hazy turret]

[leaden rivet]

There’s only one true Koby fan everyone else is a bandwagon

[grand flower]

It’s pretty damn easy to digest because we saw Cipher Pol tell Harald “we only give a fuck about OUR countries”

What more do you need to understand why Harald thought “we’ll be good once we’re in the circle”

[bleak plover]

Didn't Mambo #5 almost get Stephen King divorced?

[grand flower]

Someone literally tells him that

[runic dock]

??? Go on

[bleak plover]

IIRC he loved the song so much he'd blast it on speakers at home, and his wife was like "it's Mambo or me you son of a gun" so he had to stop.

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[wet condor]

People want to see him actually thinking to himself though. Really contemplating about what he's witnessed adn the potential good that might come out of the choices that he makes. Thinking to himself. If you had him do more of that, people would probably hate him less lol

[urban lodge]

Kill the AI baby

[grand flower]

Ijs all the stuff yall are saying Harald should have did is already right there in the story

[runic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/60fps-knee-slapper-spongebob-milkcord-gif-27449345

[sage temple]

Who made the song

[grand flower]

That’s nuts to me bruh

[sage temple]

Sheck wes?

[wet condor]

It's not hard to understand why Harald does what he does. It's easy to follow the train of logic

[grand flower]

For a atory to hand us 2 and 2 and then go “I demand you tell me where 4 came from”

[wet condor]

But it doesn't mean that people are going to find it digestible

[grand flower]

That’s never gonna be valid to me

[ruby moat]

Thank you for the shoutout.

[grand flower]

We see Harald say “I thought they would be good to elbaph once we were in”

[steel stirrup]

I understand but I still don't agree with it🤷🏾‍♂️

[grand flower]

We saw an agent of the gov tell Harald “we are only good to our people”

[void knot]

I was a Koby fan before it was cool

[grand flower]

You need to see Harald sit down and put that together??

[bleak plover]

Lou Bega.

[grand flower]

WE can just do that ourselves

[leaden rivet]

Don’t mention it.

[dense haven]

I never doubted garp and coby

[wet condor]

I mean you may not like their reasoning. I'm just saying that most people would be more willing to give him grace

[wet condor]

Same

Not hard to follow

[grand flower]

Yeah I’d just just call that a bad reason

[void knot]

When Koby stood up to Akainu. chef's kiss peak fiction

[dense haven]

when coby started dating akainus daughter is also peak fiction

[runic dock]

Harald’s limited world view and guilt over his own race caused him to approach everything with horse blinders on, he didn’t understand shit until it was already too late and that’s believable and fine

[sage temple]

oh

[wet condor]

But people will still be upset obviously because many people don't think what he did was worth it

[grand flower]

I don’t think Harald sitting down and putting together something tje audience can immediately put together themselves is exactly a dramatic high point

[steel stirrup]

Facts

[bleak plover]

HORSE MENTIONED

[steel stirrup]

Facts again

[bleak plover]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-gold-ship-gold-ship-horse-goldship-gif-4112349788114249616

[sage temple]

I've barely seen him glaze koby btw

[void knot]

The Audacity is Real. Someone give that man a Promotion.

[grand flower]

I think the way to look at something like this is, does it make sense why this character went about it the way he did

[urban lodge]

Oda needs to confirm that Hibari is Akainu's daughter already, it's so perfect and it makes so much sense

[steel stirrup]

In #manga he has

Not much here

[ruby moat]

Socrates thinks you need to make a character your entire personality to be a fan of them

[rose rune]

Also me

[grand flower]

A lot of “why don’t you like it” is coming around to framing Haralds decision like it doesnr make sense why an intelligent person would make the decisions he did

[sage temple]

Oh yuck he's a #manga person

[hazy turret]

TRUE!!!!!!

[leaden rivet]

Whenever you talk about Koby he appears

[void knot]

Not me just now realizing im not in reg Manga chat 🙃

[steel stirrup]

Bro jumps back and forth like I do sometimes

[grand flower]

I don’t think Harald is a fool or made stupid decisions, I think he just made unfortunate decisions

[stone terrace]

rare thigh hot take

[sage temple]

Go big or go home

[leaden rivet]

He’s more of a Koby defender than a Koby glazer I would say lol

[grand flower]

He has that Grace becausw Imu created the gov to be a sham of prosperity

It makes sense

[ruby moat]

More like go dumb or go home

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[steel stirrup]

Yea thats more accurate

[runic dock]

THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS

[sage temple]

More like go big or go bitch

[grand flower]

Harald fell for the same sham the rest of the world has been falling for for 800 years

[ruby moat]

Well we know which one u picked

[grand flower]

But I’m supposed to think Harald is a fool?

[wet condor]

The shit that kills me the most is Imu sitting on the empty throne

[grand flower]

That’s not what a fool is

[rose rune]

I have plenty, but I don't share unless relevant

[void knot]

Koby glazes himself with his actions. We dont have to do anything but observe

[steel stirrup]

Only time I've seen Bartsky bring up Coby out of nowhere is when he's reaffirming that current Coby beats Enel

[wet condor]

And Harald doesn't do a whole lot of introspection

[grand flower]

A fool makes decisions that make no sense for them to make

[sage temple]

True I'd rather be big than you

[hazy turret]

Why do people keep quoting Madonna

[wet condor]

Like I can't help but think that's a dumb thing

[steel stirrup]

Other than that bro just follows the conversation thats happening

[rose rune]

Maybr she died

[ruby moat]

Socrates admits to being fat irl

[runic dock]

She was light years ahead of us all

In music fashion and philosophy

[grand flower]

I don’t think it’s dumb because the most that tells him is that Imu is a king that’s lied

Is Harald supposed to be under the impression that Imu is the ONLY king who’s lied?

[hazy turret]

[sage temple]

I wish I was

[runic dock]

If he thinks the lie is for a good cause he could make sense of it in his own way

[grand flower]

You can bring up the extent of the lie

[tranquil blade]

Who's madonna?

[sage temple]

Wait is that bodyshaming?

Mods? He called me fat I'm big boned

[grand flower]

Lying to the entire world about the way the government truly operates

[steel stirrup]

😭

[void knot]

Loki: "You took everything from me."

Harold: "I dont even know who you are."

[grand flower]

But Harald has seen the government achieve prosperity for countless people via this operation

[sage temple]

[steel stirrup]

😂

[leaden rivet]

Isn’t she like that white woman that sings and shit

[grand flower]

It makes sense Harald didjt immediately go “secret leader? Must be evil”

[wet condor]

So you don't think it's that big of a deal or that it's not common sense to feel that there are some ulterior motives behind that lie, given what the lie was about?

[hazy turret]

I think it’s like the Virgin Mary

[tranquil blade]

Is she like a writer?

Oh a singer

[scenic dirge]

Lmfao

[ruby moat]

These recent developments for Loki have been great for his character. Maybe one day he can hope to be written half as well as Usopp

[rose rune]

Art joke. Yay!

[steel stirrup]

Papa Don't Preach, and Like a Virgin Madonna?

[wet condor]

The thing about me is that it doesn't seem like he even considers it lol

[steel stirrup]

You said this last night

[dense haven]

madonna is the shanks to lady gagas luffy

[blazing mantle]

Oh

Man not cool Bart

[ruby moat]

It didn’t piss antone off last night

[steel stirrup]

LMAOOO

[scenic dirge]

Gaga clears Madonna easily

[blazing mantle]

Was it supposed to be ragebait

[hazy turret]

Who’s the chapell roan

[ruby moat]

Sorta lol

[tranquil blade]

Who's lady gaga?

[blazing mantle]

There’s only like 3 Loki fans here

I doubt it would have worked anyways

[steel stirrup]

Rah rah ah ah ah

[sage temple]

That was lowk an airball

[hazy turret]

Someone take Avery out back

[tranquil blade]

Nvm this bit fucking sucks

[ruby moat]

Yea it’s a very specific one

[graceful grove]

name them

[ruby moat]

Mostly because it’s actually accurate

[steel stirrup]

Ga Ga ooh la la

[grand flower]

Sure, and it also makes sense all the good Harald has seen them achieve stopped him from heading that way

[stone terrace]

the truth is if you can be described as a "fan" you are mentally ill

[steel stirrup]

Want your bad romanceeeee

[blazing mantle]

Socrates
Vortex
John Lokifan
R8

[sage temple]

Lol

[graceful grove]

u can add my name to it

[hazy turret]

Are you a one piece fan?

[steel stirrup]

Niggas forget Fan is short for Fanatic

[tranquil blade]

I know lady gaga I was just joshing

[blazing mantle]

I didn’t know you were one too

My condolences

[steel stirrup]

And fanatics are fucking, well... fanatic

[blazing mantle]

🙏

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-sandler-adam-sandler-you-know-gif-18652820

[leaden rivet]

I was born this way

[steel stirrup]

ALE ALEJANDRO

[grand flower]

I think the other convos we’ve seen him have where he talks about overlooking the bad in the government because of the good he’s seen, his relationships with other kings, and the tangible prosperity elbaph experienced tells us enough

[sage temple]

Glad I've cemented myself as #1

[hazy turret]

Wait a minute you’re literally THE garling fan bruh

[rose rune]

My message count.... this doesn't bode well for me

[grand flower]

Remember how Harald met rocks?

[hazy turret]

The only one left, too

[leaden rivet]

He’s the ONLY Garling fan

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/i-own-it-pop-son-of-a-critch-it-belongs-to-me-malcolm-mcdowell-gif-9569372085576949176

[grand flower]

He said a king lied to get him into the reverie

[graceful grove]

always been. sick design and one of the few giants worthy of the hype giants got since day one

[steel stirrup]

You damn right about that

[tranquil blade]

W phone percentage W speed

[leaden rivet]

Who would want to be a fan of a guy who’s only significant thing he did was kill his baby mother

[grand flower]

I understand fully why Harald didnt assume Imu was evil just because he was a king that lied

[steel stirrup]

[stone terrace]

if i ran from adversity then i wouldve left during wano

[steel stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laugh-smile-tom-and-jerry-telugu-gif-16740069

[sage temple]

How the #1 poop biologist feels in his industry

[void knot]

If I ran then I would be running.

[tranquil blade]

What adversity would you be facing during Wano

[ruby moat]

The ppl who cling onto a character based off the intoduxtion alone and then feel obligated to support them no matter what they do

[graceful grove]

oda knew he was loosing fans and he immediately fixed that after wano

[grand flower]

This you fr probably

[scenic dirge]

Mine was 80 wtf

[urban lodge]

Mine was 54

[ruby moat]

Y’all still use Spotify? 💀

[rose rune]

Mine was 27

[steel stirrup]

Nah I use YT premium more but I still have mines

[stone terrace]

dude who only listens to beethoven being labeled 200

[hazy turret]

It’s not me it’s @formal wind

[wet condor]

Well, I'll say that my alarms would've been going off — before then even tbh lol

I don't use spotify but my age would've been old most likely

[scenic dirge]

Bro you are older than 27 listening to zoomer music. This guy wants to be young and hip so badly 😭 but he’s about one hip injury away from going to the nursing home

[grand flower]

Ey I get it, and I think we see that some go off for Harald. But this is a sham the whole world has been falling for for 800 years.

[hazy turret]

Yeah that’s my only thing. The fact that he was doing all of this with a smile on his face

[graceful grove]

never used it got my offline library without all the bs to deal with

[stone terrace]

spotify disrespected me so i stopped using it years ago

[scenic dirge]

I feel like Oda does this a lot with flashback characters

[wet condor]

How did they disrespect you?

[hazy turret]

Sounds like someone had drake in their top artists

[stone terrace]

NOOOOOOOO SHE CLOCKED ME

[hazy turret]

Every time

[steel stirrup]

This aint a good look fam

[leaden rivet]

He listens to Drake everyone point and laugh

[stone terrace]

listened*

drake has been ass since the turn of the decade

[scenic dirge]

He intentionally has them make questionable or “naive” decisions so that the resolution in the present story can be more accentuated

[rose rune]

This was my favorite album this year... yet I still got the age of 27

[tranquil blade]

diddy ahh blud or whatever

[urban lodge]

What's worse, being a Drake (rapper) fan or being a Drake (one piece character) fan

[grand flower]

Well they kinda have to make mistakes for there to be a conflict in the present

[grand flower]

Drake the rapper

[scenic dirge]

exactly ye

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/not-bad-whatever-you-say-what-can-i-say-gif-20270454

[rose rune]

I honestly don't know enough about drake to reply to this (the rapper)

[graceful grove]

ultimate mid off

[grand flower]

I think it makes em very compelling tbh

I think Oda does a good job of showing how they came the decisions they did

It makes them unfortunate, not foolish

[tranquil blade]

What's the most evil thing Drake did

It depends on that

[steel stirrup]

Which one

[hazy turret]

Foolishness is unfortunate

[grand flower]

But it can be unfortunate and not foolish. That’s Harald imo

[urban lodge]

X Drake burned down Tama's village

[tranquil blade]

Hmm

[urban lodge]

Not tama

[rose rune]

Lol

[graceful grove]

ironic. most evil thing Drake did is what he didn't do in Wano. he did fuck all and still lived

[hazy turret]

I think he was foolish to a certain extent

[rose rune]

Oh wait... I mean... so sad

[fallen meteor]

You surrended to the duck

[grand flower]

Which part?

[urban lodge]

Yeah it was sad when I was the only one but more people got the duck so I joined the duck gang

[hazy turret]

To blindly follow the WG

[fallen meteor]

Did you watch the ducksu video I linked

[graceful grove]

Karoo clears

[urban lodge]

Yes, it was beautiful

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-karoo-karoo-one-piece-duck-ducks-gif-9068534962427623498

[fallen meteor]

See, ducks are cool

🙂

[grand flower]

This comes back to the different degrees to where we accept that the government does tangibly good things

[rose rune]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-run-waddle-excited-cute-gif-15139270

[graceful grove]

most useful 7 living beings in Alabasta

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-ducks-glorious-glorious-ducks-animals-gif-17398499

[hazy turret]

That is irrelevant. Government (one piece) does good thing so they must be good!

That’s not how things work and you would think harald would at the very at least acknowledge it

“I know they do bad things, and I’m putting not just myself but elbaf at risk by accepting their terms, but I believe the benefits of joining them is worth it” would be sensible. That’s why I think he’s foolish to a certain extent

[runic dock]

If the wg didn’t exist the world would just be chaos right now

[digital spear]

Why is it still political here

[deep chasm]

This is exactly how it should be. But for some reason a lot of people fight against the idea that harald shouldve at least said this

[runic dock]

I don’t think he knew they did bad things

[hazy turret]

[runic dock]

Simply put

[graceful grove]

Harold: "Imu, you can enslave everyone, except for giants"

[deep chasm]

😭

[hazy turret]

He didn’t know about ohara?

[runic dock]

Must have had their reasons

You can always excuse it when you’re already blind

[tranquil blade]

I mean did he not see a government man trying to kidnap people

[hazy turret]

Also does he not know that the WG was luring rocks to kill him

[runic dock]

Nope

[deep chasm]

well that just counts into him being foolish then

[runic dock]

He doesn’t know that

[hazy turret]

He worked for them for how long again?

[deep chasm]

^^^

[runic dock]

The wg also wasn’t luring rocks

[deep chasm]

he definitely has seen WG do bad lol

[runic dock]

That’s a fan assumption

[deep chasm]

all of this just adds into him being foolish

[hazy turret]

Alright man

If you insist Earl

[wet condor]

I like introspection a lot

[digital spear]

Im so glad everyone agrees Harald did nothing wrong

[wet condor]

Seeing him weighing the pros and cons to himself and acknowledging the real danger that could potentially come out of it

Let me get this duck off my pfp

[graceful grove]

he was just being silly goof thats all

[digital spear]

So glue

[runic dock]

They wanted to keep the event a secret , god valley , and only pointed out the importance of killing Davy clan on it , it was meant to be a secret activity not known to anyone , did you forget it was Ginny that spread the news?

[formal wagon]

six seven december ends

@tranquil blade look at my rank

[graceful grove]

did u just insult the duck

[runic dock]

People really miss that part of it all, the only reason pirates showed up or anyone at all was because of Ginny

Like wtf , go reread it

[formal wagon]

rereadbob

[tranquil blade]

No one could have ever possibly seen it coming in Harald's position and would make the exact same decisions with the same thought processes because it was actually not super super obvious that he was being duped

This is satire if you are wondering

[runic dock]

Telling me “alright whatever you say Earl” as if you know shit better than what the manga showed us

[wet condor]

I did

fuck that duck

[tranquil blade]

What

[deep chasm]

Harald has seen WG do bad things and have shaky morals before. But regardless this all adds up to Harald being foolish

[tranquil blade]

Theorist?

[hazy turret]

Ok dude

[graceful grove]

i hope you have a bad dream and pee in the bed

[wet condor]

I have sleep paralysis demons so

Decent chance I have a bad dream lol

[graceful grove]

ofcoz u do

[runic dock]

This one event was pretty bad yeah , he should have had some introspective thoughts about this here , I guess he must have outweighed the perceived good with the perceived bad

rokaya doesn’t know what she’s talking about regarding GV tho

[digital spear]

SIX SEVEN

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-looking-up-monkey-bbc-america-bbc-america-monkey-bbc-america-monkey-rising-gaze-gif-5305200365448378989

[formal wagon]

they said i'm replacing oda now 😭

[deep chasm]

Okay well it seems rokayas point was harald was foolish, which this conversation confirms he is

[digital spear]

What is this freaky ass monkey gonna to do Mailbox now

[runic dock]

Respond to the Ginny thing instead of ragebaiting

[deep chasm]

whther he was foolish becuase he knew about things, or he was too stupid to realize things, he was foolish to an extent

[wraith mantle]

They only do it to non member nations tho

If elbaf joined the WG, this wouldn’t be an issue for Elbaf

[digital spear]

Who says that 😭

[runic dock]

Oh wait you’re rage baiting

[runic dock]

Yeah that’s a good point too

[graceful grove]

https://tenor.com/view/soheb-saucelessss-monkey-gif-25910895

[runic dock]

I agree

[formal wagon]

[hazy turret]

Earl I stopped engaging with you because I don’t like the energy you’re bringing to the conversation rn feel free to discuss with everyone else though

[wraith mantle]

Is this ai

[deep chasm]

doesnt rlly change the point tho. The point is just Harald has indeed seen WG do bad things

and harald is foolish to an extent

[digital spear]

Ok guys so now that we all agree Harald did nothing wrong lets switch topics

[sage temple]

Why are we still talking about Harald

[runic dock]

Buck up, champ

[sage temple]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-mad-angry-ishowspeed-sheisty-gif-13492318246358992086

[graceful grove]

no

[sage temple]

Talk about Loki or something bro

[urban lodge]

No

[deep chasm]

get a load of this guy

[wraith mantle]

People do bad shit all the time why should that stop him from joining the WG specifically??

[deep chasm]

thats also not the point so I dont feel thats necessary for us to discuss

[sage temple]

Don't call me a powerscaler or I'll incinerate you with my brain

[hazy turret]

https://tenor.com/view/ilgbtenha-stantwt-stan-twt-dude-nobody-invited-funny-gif-2432697925408331078

[graceful grove]

he will die next chapter so we can all move on and forget about him like Oden

[rare ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[dense rapids]

Powerscaler

[sage temple]

Notice how Buggy won't speak again

[wet condor]

So who do you think Loki's fight is in the final war?

[runic dock]

I think he just spoke

[wet condor]

Do you think he gets a 1v1

[deep chasm]

powerscale these 4 vs loki

[sage temple]

Honestly whoever Luffy fights

[wraith mantle]

Ok harald has seen the WG do bad things. I agree with that.

Is this the end or is this leading to prove a greater point?

[sage temple]

Loki probably will

[grand flower]

But that’s exactly what he thinks

[deep chasm]

The point was Harald was foolish to an extent so if you agree with that then thats it

[sage temple]

R8 use your brain and stop baiting

[wet condor]

I can kind of see this for Imu... but Blackbeard is a 1v1, or that's what I want

[runic dock]

Tsuru solos if loki doesn’t use defensive force field haki

[deep chasm]

real

[hazy turret]

I never got that impression throughout this flashback

[sage temple]

The fact that Loki killed a buffed equal to Rocks makes me think he is currently stronger than them all here

[urban lodge]

It will be Luffy and Koby vs BB

[grand flower]

Why does Harald need to say what it’s apparent from the material via his conversations and what we know from prior arcs? That’s just spoonfeeding

[deep chasm]

People are just assuming he thought this to himself but oda just for some reason never portrays it as such

[urban lodge]

Oda is obsessed with the parallels

[sage temple]

Also Loki has a legendary fruit + prison buff

[graceful grove]

you don't think he dies next chapter?

[sage temple]

No

[runic dock]

!paralells

[sage temple]

And I think Loki could stand his ground against that Garp

[wet condor]

!parallels

[deep chasm]

I think Oda can have him say something about it if we're meant to think harald is thinking this. Yall are assuming hes thinking this to himself when nothing actually indicates this

[sage temple]

Everyone else in that panel loses to Loki

[wet condor]

I wanted to see if that was actually a command

[deep chasm]

hm okay can he also 1v4 them or nah

[runic dock]

Even with good spelling

[sage temple]

But Garp might be able to win extreme diff

[deep chasm]

I see

[runic dock]

There used to be some kind of parallel command

[tranquil blade]

!patterns

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[runic dock]

Ah that one lol

[graceful grove]

then you need to use the brain, buddy

[sage temple]

Probably not

[deep chasm]

thats unfortunate

[sage temple]

Ok

[rare ivy]

!patterns

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/728691851556552744/unknown.png

[sage temple]

Will do

[digital spear]

Oh youre talking about powerscaling now. We are healing ❤️‍🩹

[deep chasm]

rather talk powerscaling than people explain how Harald had real introspection but oda just decided to show him saying huzzah to everything instead

[sage temple]

I dislike the Shiki slander but still 🤦‍♂️ these people need to lock in

[deep chasm]

Loki low mid admiral level fr