also-manga

[grand flower]

That’s all that matters

[alpine trench]

lmao

[ashen perch]

idk if I am tripping, but after the 10th time, its starting to sound like Usopp, Kappei Yamaguchi I mean

[jade rain]

This is too deep lol

[ashen perch]

it doesnt sound like Luffy at all man

[alpine trench]

mars being team rocketed

[muted hedge]

i love that the sun shines through at the end

[grand flower]

alright

[hazy echo]

Oh we’re getting the ballon thing this episode?

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/ness-little-mac-super-smash-flash-ultimate-fighting-video-game-gif-17582098

[jade rain]

Even with 2 chapters it feels stretched

[grand flower]

i don't argue with you niggas no more

so you can believe that

[blazing depot]

It’s official, JoyBoy was his great great grandfather

The logical endpoint of Usopp’s lies

[muted hedge]

VIZ soon

[alpine trench]

5 minutes

[muted hedge]

will be interesting to see what they call the different contracts

[grand flower]

i thought it was out already

i'm so sad

oh my god could this attack on Mars BE any more dragged out

[keen quiver]

Viz will drop some crazy term I feel

[gloomy tree]

https://fixupx.com/pewpiece/status/1995144975684657587?s=19

Pew (@pewpiece)

OFFICIAL : 🚨🚨🚨🚨
︀︀
︀︀Joy Boy’s voice actor has been confirmed as Urara Takano!!
︀︀
︀︀she is Luffy's first voice actor in the original OVA

**💬 12 🔁 16 ❤️ 175 👁️ 614 **

FixupX · Nov 30, 2025, 2:56 PM

[ashen perch]

oooh

[alpine trench]

ooh awesome

[blazing depot]

It’s a chick???

[ashen perch]

good stuff, I thought I had heard the voice before

[blazing depot]

Ok now that’s a cool reference

[ashen perch]

its from Ganzack

[grand flower]

line up

time to apologize

[urban lodge]

Oh lol

[blazing depot]

Betting now the dub will get back the 4kids Luffy for JoyBoy

[proud pivot]

Ong I am genuinely creasing rn 😭😭✌

[ashen perch]

I mean thats not Mayumi Tanaka

[grand flower]

apologize to me fn

[vestal mural]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[muted hedge]

apologize for what?

[alpine trench]

nothing

[grand flower]

denial will continue until it's on panel

[vestal mural]

Man all these clips make me wanna reread from the kuma to end of peak head

[grand flower]

im fine with that

[alpine trench]

good shit

do it

[vestal mural]

Seeing nika bonney animated just makes me so genuinely happy

[proud pivot]

is the next episode, where JB haki will be blasted?

[alpine trench]

no

[vestal mural]

When did the fb start? Like what chap

[alpine trench]

1095

[vestal mural]

I’ll probably get dinner then get ready for a night of sobbing

[alpine trench]

halfway through

[muted hedge]

VIZ is up now

[grand flower]

oh harsh is fiz out now

oh okay thanks sabaku

[vestal mural]

This is also reminding me of aot fans shitting on op because of G5 saying it’s so unserious lmao

Never heard a worse and more uninformed take

[proud pivot]

JB haki episode? 🥀

[alpine trench]

shallows, depths, abyssal

[grand flower]

called it

[pine ridge]

btw does anyone have any idea what this tattoo could mean

[alpine trench]

let me check again

[vestal mural]

Interesting

[grand flower]

HOLD ON

WAIT A MINUTE

[ashen perch]

oh so the Domi Reversi has the Diabolical Covenant, how does that fit in

[pine ridge]

meek is gonna hate it

[grand flower]

TCB was Ida's Son right?

singular?

[alpine trench]

who cares what meek thinks now

[digital spear]

WHAT

[blazing depot]

LowTierGod ruined the word covenant for me

[digital spear]

TCB is the brother of Loki and Hajrudin???

[vestal mural]

Does anyone have the JP for this panel

[lofty fern]

It pretty much always is lol

[muted hedge]

shallow covenant, deep covenant and abyssal covenant

[grand flower]

ooo wuh oh

[muted hedge]

sounds good

[alpine trench]

in a few hours

but there should be raws

camera raws

just a sec

[stone terrace]

No @ everyone?

[vestal mural]

Scammers have gotten lazy

[pine ridge]

no but according to meek and feeso it's the same as the white sea and white-white sea. so it should be deep deep

[gloomy tree]

?

[azure spindle]

Covenant, another bible reference

[sage temple]

Scammers have lost their credibility

[grand flower]

Aight hold up

see i had a feeling TCB was going a little too hard

why was their translation of this so pejorative to Harald

I just had a feeling they were gassing it

[vestal mural]

@ashen perch suggestion for yall. Keep the raws in #spoiler-news until a few hours after official comes out please. It’s easier to reference them that way. Esp helpful since the Reddit has been removing them after the chap is out now

[grand flower]

@vital heart what's going on

why did yall translation play up how nasty the prose was to harald

was it a japanese tone thing?

[gloomy tree]

The raws link was dead

[muted hedge]

so Shamrock had the edge at the time?

[blazing depot]

Meek fucking hates Harald so bias seeped in maybe

[alpine trench]

he was more valuable to them because of the contract

[frozen ravine]

shamrock is the stronger twin, and also hes shanks now and they switched places at some point

[vestal mural]

Wdym?

[distant vine]

Knew you were Shuron just through intuition. Isnt that amazing?

[proud pivot]

joyboys voice got revealed

[ashen perch]

yeah, the guy who posts kills the links shortly after I am pretty sure

[alpine trench]

he's not necessarily stronger there, he's more important to them because of his contract

[distant vine]

Oh is VIZ out?

[gloomy tree]

The link we had for raws was dead

[ashen perch]

we cant really do much there

[grand flower]

you know me so well

[cold steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-madclip-guuci-tafos-gooles-gif-17393573

[sage temple]

Damnit

[muted hedge]

i love it that Shamrock seems to genuinely care for Shanks

[alpine trench]

shanks there is just a shallow covenant

[sage temple]

Where did the plural come from

I hate this

[vestal mural]

You guys have stopped using your own link?

[blazing depot]

[proud pivot]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1995141619851629017?s=20

Pew (@pewpiece)

JOYBOY'S VOICE FINALLY!!!

X · Nov 30, 2025, 2:43 PM

[grand flower]

lol i love how morj kept getting annoyed at his chat for saying the god valley pirates weren't in their primes

[grand flower]

neener neener

[vestal mural]

So dumb to use sons. It’s obv about Loki

[ashen perch]

for the raws we do just use the same links

[alpine trench]

well, the next decade or two, yes they were in their primes

[sage temple]

Exactly 🤦‍♂️

[grand flower]

what?

[ashen perch]

was about to post this lol, cant believe this was a debate

[grand flower]

i actually laughed cause of how unarguable this is

[frozen ravine]

prime captain john doesnt get one shot by a bum like ganzui

[grand flower]

it's so straight forward

[alpine trench]

they came into their primes over the next decade or two, yes, was what i was saying lol, what was so confusing about my statement

[ashen perch]

yea lol

[vestal mural]

Why does anyone listen to anything morj says

[alpine trench]

people like meek do

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-drake-rap-rapper-gif-12915993367632056683

[alpine trench]

moderator in his chat and all

[grand flower]

who said listen to it

i just heard it

[blazing depot]

The raid to unpoison Ida will fail

[vestal mural]

TCB meek? lol

[keen quiver]

Lmao

[alpine trench]

the red panda meek, our meek

[ashen perch]

yeah Meek is a regular whatever you call it

superchatter?

[vestal mural]

Sheesh

[grand flower]

meek being an unironic morj fan actually does line up with how biased the tcb translation was to harald

morj stews hate for harald in his videos

[blazing depot]

That’s what I’m fucking saying

[urban lodge]

He's also a top tier patreon supporter of his

[ashen perch]

crazy

[blazing depot]

Like I said Harald is too complex of a character for most of you guys to understand

[keen quiver]

Another L for morj but what do you expect the man can't scale and he always misconstrues the material.

[alpine trench]

harald is a generational flawed character

[grand flower]

not a word of this was wrong

[muted hedge]

Loki is great, truly

[vestal mural]

He has to be the worse one in all of OP

[urban lodge]

So good

[sage temple]

Harald believed it

[grand flower]

did...did this nigga just refer to imu

right in front of harald

[distant vine]

This guy has a name thats not "Gen" surely. It was Gen-something

Gendo?

[urban lodge]

Loki really is a tsundere

He's a softie inside

[alpine trench]

yes

[pine ridge]

sommers knows what shanks is

[vestal mural]

Don’t all the GK know about it in some capacity?

[proud pivot]

Harald flexing his mark loud and proud like some gymbro flexing his muscles

hate this bitch

[tranquil blade]

Yeah seems so

[alpine trench]

the holy knights have the abyssal covenant

[keen quiver]

Remember being told I was wrong for saying this and showing the panel from wano that said they got stronger

[tranquil blade]

Garling has referred to the great one before

[vestal mural]

Harald is meant to be this way. He’s so well written. That’s why I can’t stand him

[grand flower]

lmaoooo yeah it wasn't even like we didn't know

[tranquil blade]

He said so when he told the gorosei about God Valley

[muted hedge]

not all of them, only the prestigeous seem to have the abyssal while the normal have the depth covenant

[alpine trench]

you being the reader know it, how would harald have any idea about his fate

yeah a select few

[grand flower]

oh no it's not that, it's the fact that they say it in front of harald

but i suppose that's just gonna be chalked up to the god they vaguely mentioned

[alpine trench]

5 gorosei, presumably one assistant to imu

[muted hedge]

i'm so glad we got other terms instead of deep-deep contract

[alpine trench]

and then a few holy knights

[urban lodge]

The gorosei already implied to Harald there is a "god"

[alpine trench]

the covenants are much better than "contracts"

[tranquil blade]

7 knights, whatever Gunko is and the gorosei

[digital spear]

im glad Oda makes this clear again (we already knew but people are dense)

[muted hedge]

presumably the commander and the supreme commander as well as Gunko?

[alpine trench]

yeah they already told him about the "true god"

and he was confused

[distant vine]

Oh Gunko was a Devoted Blade too right?

[solid stone]

surprised they'd even let a non-CD know about that, even with the contract

[distant vine]

So she'a also bottom tier

[muted hedge]

yeah but Gunko always were with Imu strangely enough

even when she was a devoted blade

[distant vine]

So Imu really did just capture a random girl and make them a Knight?

[tranquil blade]

Yeah but she also upgrades and in rank and on top of that seems to have more than just one role

[keen quiver]

We dont know why imu has gunko around

[alpine trench]

she was adopted into the manmayer family

[tranquil blade]

She also seemed to be some kind of servant to Imu

[muted hedge]

seems to act as a maid of some sort

[distant vine]

Im glad these names arent like in TCB

[blazing depot]

All cuz of blue hair

[distant vine]

Much better

[ashen perch]

I assume like he is just assuming that its someone they worship, not necessarily a living being that is on top of them

[keen quiver]

Outside of her having blue hair and the manmayer adopting her from the looks of it

[blazing depot]

Wdym you don’t fuck with deep deep sea covenant

[alpine trench]

shit sucks

[blazing depot]

lol

[alpine trench]

sorry meek but that shit sucks

wherever he is

[keen quiver]

Meek fucked up the names

[olive sigil]

Oh no viz also went with Gen

[digital spear]

LOL Shanks the rat is real

[olive sigil]

Chapter ruined

[blazing depot]

This is why I bully and give Meek a hard time, in order to make translations better

[solid stone]

i completely forgot it was sunday 🧍‍♂️

[muted hedge]

i didn't have any other notable issues with the TCB translation

[alpine trench]

i fucking love this moment

[keen quiver]

Kept telling me I was wrong for calling him a rat.

[ashen perch]

curious about the distinction between Supreme Commander and Commander of HKs, Garling this chapter is in the same position that Shamrock is in right now

[olive sigil]

@vital heart viz also went with Gen. both of you get a 0/10 for translation this week

[ashen perch]

is there a bunch of commanders?

[royal orchid]

https://x.com/pewpiece/status/1995144975684657587?t=S4lP15hE7HOjSFarMv1nVA&s=19

is this glue

Pew (@pewpiece)

OFFICIAL : 🚨🚨🚨🚨

Joy Boy’s voice actor has been confirmed as Urara Takano!!

she is Luffy's first voice actor in the original OVA

X · Nov 30, 2025, 2:56 PM

[ashen perch]

it is

[solid stone]

oh I like these terms

[alpine trench]

yeah there should be a distinction in ranks

[muted hedge]

Shamrock is probably getting a promotion

[solid stone]

i actually... didn't have a problem with deep deep sea covenant though lol

[alpine trench]

and i dont know how many people are in the ranks of the holy knights

[royal orchid]

joyboy in that flashback was actually young?

[ashen perch]

I feel like all 13 are actually still the HKs

[alpine trench]

the actual raws should be out in a few hours

i'll let you know, mip

[vestal mural]

It honestly sounds like an unnecessary role in the HR department

[digital spear]

wait peak

[vestal mural]

Bless you

[ashen perch]

and the Depths Covenant belongs to the regular HKs and the Abyssal Covenants belongs to the Commanders

[solid stone]

SICK.

[thin quest]

it makes sense, One Piece was created because of Oda's childlike wonder

[grand flower]

@digital spear did you see? Joy Boy and Luffy share a VA now

[muted hedge]

so far we've seen

Devoted Blade of God
Gods Knight
Commander of the Gods Knight
Supreme-Commander of the Gods Knight

[digital spear]

I just saw

[ashen perch]

Oda is very slow at explaining this but I guess we will get to it eventually

[grand flower]

hee hee

[thin quest]

Luffy's birthday is children's day in Japan

[ashen perch]

its not Mayumi Tanaka, not the same thing at all

its a cool little callback really

[grand flower]

that's not what i said

[solid stone]

https://x.com/LaobushidoNA/status/1995148837871370746

LaDarius Brown (@LaobushidoNA)

@pewpiece @TheWillOfMarco They have the chance to do the funniest thing in the dub

X · Nov 30, 2025, 3:12 PM

[grand flower]

i said they share a VA

[solid stone]

this needs to happen

[vestal mural]

It’s honestly poetic having the OG va do joyboy

[ashen perch]

LMAO

[digital spear]

this makes it clearer now.

[blazing depot]

I said this again for the dub they should bring back 4kids Luffy for JoyBoy

[solid stone]

unironically that would be sick though

[ashen perch]

yeah they gotta do that LOL

[ashen perch]

I know what you said, just saying

[muted hedge]

it's interesting that we didn't see a supreme-commander when Garling was at God Valley

[digital spear]

god please

[muted hedge]

wasn't there one?

[ashen perch]

Joyboy is still Shanks's ancestor, youre not prepared

[blazing depot]

I believe the actress also voiced Buckin in the dub

So why not

[muted hedge]

was Garling the first supreme-commander in history?

[grand flower]

so shanks is luffy's seed

i'm fine with that

[ashen perch]

what no

[alpine trench]

would be weird if figarland family descended from joyboy

[solid stone]

or if they wanna go real deep, Eric Vale if they wanna give him a male voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvP9EAI3wNs

[muted hedge]

and we didn't see a commander at God Valley either now when i think about it

[ashen perch]

nah I mean from his mother's side

[grand flower]

i think arsal means thru mama redhair

[distant vine]

His acting is killing me lmao

[muted hedge]

if anything it would be Shanks and Shamrocks mother who were descended from Joyboy

[blazing depot]

They should get the guy from that weird Singapore English dub

[alpine trench]

hm, i can see that possibility

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[ashen perch]

the mysterious red haired woman from God Valley, she is descended from Joyboy

thats the idea

[alpine trench]

garling probably thought

[muted hedge]

great lumbering peon!

[alpine trench]

"damn i caught joyboy's descendant"

[blazing depot]

I imagine he has an exaggerated evil British accent like a Disney villain

[alpine trench]

its a pretty evil way of consolidating that bloodline into the world government LMFAO

crazy

[muted hedge]

yeah

[vestal mural]

Let me use that blood and groom her son into my pawn

[ashen perch]

Contrasts with BB descending from Davy himself. Explains why the Roger Pirates consider him the child of destiny. It just works

[tranquil blade]

It would make God Valley even more interesting, an island containing both the descendants of Davy Jones and Joyboy

[ashen perch]

yeah

[blazing depot]

Like I think Shanks “acting” sounds like Liquid from Metal Gear 😭

[pine ridge]

It's why I hope both shamrock and shanks will betray the wg. garling doesn't deserve loyal children

[muted hedge]

i wonder if Shamrock also is a child of destiny to some extent for the Celestial Dragons

given Shanks is for the pirates

[grand flower]

so why does harald have the impression he's seen shanks and shamrock before?

has he met mama redhair?

[ashen perch]

Joyboy and his first mate Monkey D. Pao btw, not sure who the girl is, still figuring that part out

[muted hedge]

i'd guess it's sometime when he met Roger on Elbaph and Shanks was there with them

[grand flower]

enough is enough arsal

i won

[blazing depot]

Bami

[vestal mural]

It’s gonna be either him seeing shanks as a kid when he possibly met Roger, or some destiny haki shit

[pine ridge]

or one of their ancestors

[muted hedge]

Lily?

[solid stone]

really love oda's early artwork

[tranquil blade]

Monkey D Pao?

[urban lodge]

Lily (she dyed her hair)

[solid stone]

pre-One Piece era

[wet condor]

Lol, I wonder why Harald was so quick to reject a marriage between Loki and Shirahoshi?

He didn't really give a reason lol

Maybe he thinks Loki is just unmarriagable

[vestal mural]

He doesn’t like fishman

[ashen perch]

I assume Roger Pirates met Harald at some point when they visited Elbaf, its just been skipped over for now

[ashen perch]

the hair yknow

doesnt work

[wet condor]

They're merfolk Mip

[muted hedge]

he is probably worried because of Loki's unnatural stature

[wet condor]

Not fishmen, kinda racist there

[tranquil blade]

Probably doesnt like the idea of arranged marriages since he basically was forced to be in one with Estrid

[digital spear]

dye was so strong her descendants inherited it

[vestal mural]

A Stinky fish is a Stinky fish. All bottom dwellers are the same

[stone terrace]

He was forced into a marriage himself

[ashen perch]

Proto-Luffy, basically the Vinsmoke Romeo equivalent to Luffy

[vestal mural]

Lmfao

[solid stone]

insane

[digital spear]

Lmaooo

[solid stone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1065398961889869826/1208815612839723048/joefacepalm.gif

[wet condor]

@tranquil blade @stone terrace that makes sense

[digital spear]

Frankycolafacts back with another banger

[muted hedge]

i wonder if Loki saught out Lola because he thought she was Shirahoshi

[ashen perch]

this is what a 19 year old Oda submitted to Shueisha as his very first idea for a Pirate manga

wait right

the girl is Rizeru, ofc

[muted hedge]

there you have the name for the girl

[vestal mural]

I have such a weird feeling about mosa being shirahoshi. It just doesn’t feel right

[ashen perch]

yeahh

[solid stone]

wonder if he already had the gomu gomu no mi in mind

[digital spear]

so the girl is Rizzeru

[solid stone]

or if he just turned the bandana into a fruit later on

[urban lodge]

Rizzler

[digital spear]

A few things dont fit

[vestal mural]

Also, wasn’t luffy there when mosa called Loki? He would have recognized her voice for sure

[solid stone]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-christian-turn-rizzler-turn-gif-3468410536510015644

[iron oriole]

Well Official explains this better & makes it more clear (also better names)

[ashen perch]

seems it was someting similar atleast, based on the Merry spirit of the Rubber Tree

[grand flower]

@sage temple oda invoking imagery evocative of luffy for hajrudin again

[ashen perch]

he wasnt there

[vestal mural]

The whole shirahoshi being mosa thing feels like a rug pull for me

[hazy echo]

Oh these names are way better

[distant vine]

Finished the chapter

[vestal mural]

And none of the SHs?

[grand flower]

he was when shaggy called the last time

[solid stone]

i really hope this design (or at least the name) gets repurposed as one of luffy's ancestors in a random SBS

[wet condor]

See, this is the type of carrying on that I would've expected between Harald and Xebec given that they were best pals lol

[solid stone]

though if it's reused as a major plot thing that'd be cool too

[pine ridge]

it was just character bleed surely

[wet condor]

Harald actually acting happy in Neptune's presence

[ashen perch]

yea, but he didnt hear it

[solid stone]

i love when scrapped concepts get reused like that

[grand flower]

that's true

[ashen perch]

only Gerd and I think Goldberg heard the call, and even then they were talking too quietly in that moment

[alpine trench]

Meek in shambles

[narrow stratus]

TCB called her mosamosa, viz called her shaggy
shirahoshi has to be the one talking to loki

[ashen perch]

Luffy was busy checking on Chopper and Gaban in that moment

[alpine trench]

The timelines are in conflict for both of them

[digital spear]

Otohime and her little bean 😭

[alpine trench]

It’s a red herring

[narrow stratus]

how so

[ashen perch]

yeah I can see it, maybe Pao was the Monkey D. from the Void Century

[iron oriole]

"The timeline!!! Think about the timeline!!!" FUCK YOUR TIMELINE MOSAHOSHI IS A FACT

[digital spear]

TRUUUUEEEEE

[narrow stratus]

i dont think it was mentioned when loki has started talking to mosa

[tranquil blade]

Oda already fucked up the timeline this chapter did he not

[iron oriole]

Mentioning her as Shaggy once.. is a red herring, twice? Thats more than just a red herring

[muted hedge]

mosahoshi is such a funny name

[hazy echo]

With Lola I think

[hazy turret]

A Lima bean cause god damn that’s a big baby

[ashen perch]

any thing that is in conflict can be easily explained away

[tranquil blade]

So at this point idk if Oda gives a shit

[hazy echo]

YC told me that Oda screw up the Loki and Lola timeline iirc

[thin quest]

I think it makes sense that Shirahoshi would be chatting with Loki. They were both locked up and isolated.

[urban lodge]

Loki says they've long been friends but that's pretty vague

[vestal mural]

With all the timeline stuff the chapter has, I feel Iike he def fucked smth up big time

[lofty fern]

It IS clearer

[alpine trench]

How so

[ashen perch]

Oda was hit on the head before the chapter or something, he is gonna fix that little timeline issue, its fine

[lofty fern]

Viz did a good job this week

[wet condor]

Garling patting Shanks on the back there lol

[vestal mural]

He can just change it in the volume release

[iron oriole]

Typical Viz W, TCB L

[alpine trench]

You mean the fisher tiger stuff?

[narrow stratus]

i dont understand what the conflict here is

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[grand flower]

what's the timeline issue?

[solid stone]

wait what got changed

lol we asked at the same time

[lofty fern]

The time line retcon is still off

[hazy echo]

Loki and Lola I think?

[hazy turret]

Oh boy my favorite topic this week

[hazy echo]

Cause what age would Lola be now

[barren token]

didn't Roger also say shirahoshi was gonna be shaggy during the Oden flashback

[narrow stratus]

the conflict?

[solid stone]

what's your second favorite topic

[lofty fern]

Fisher tiger

[wet condor]

More affection than you'd expect out of a guy like Garling, even if just a little. Might have a lil' bit of pride in how strong his sons are lol

[narrow stratus]

i think so yeah

[digital spear]

Yeah, or the Big Mom pirates didnt realize "Prince Loki" was already shunned from Elbaf

[iron oriole]

Yes

[hazy turret]

#also-off-topic probably

[solid stone]

did the year he do it get changed?

[hazy echo]

@digital spear what did you say about Loki and Lola again

Oh oop

Hello

[solid stone]

that's just the second off topic

[pine ridge]

roger said neptune would have a shaggy daughter

[narrow stratus]

ooof

[digital spear]

The Loki denden mushi is in Megalos mouth

[narrow stratus]

rip mosahoshi

[hazy turret]

Pls don’t judge me

[lofty fern]

Fisher tigers story has been changed

[barren token]

oda's just continuing the gag from the Oden flashback and it's a red herring and mosa is NOT shirahoshi

[alpine trench]

It’s a big ol red herring

[thin quest]

it hasn't?

[ashen perch]

The Fisher Tiger part, we saw him return to Fishman Island 16 years ago and speak to Neptune and Otohime about what he saw on his last voyage, and that he is going back to Marie Geoise to free all the slaves he can.

[alpine trench]

Context has been added

[vestal mural]

Ty

[thin quest]

Agreed

[hazy turret]

Mosahoshi copers??

It’s literally her bruh

[narrow stratus]

i bet someone is gonna ask him about this in an sbs and oda is gonna giggle about it

[alpine trench]

I dont think it’s specifically been changed in a drastic way

[muted hedge]

i think it makes sense

[ashen perch]

it has lol, its fine, Oda will fix it I am sure, just an oversight, but its a drastic change

[thin quest]

if you go back and read Fisher's breakout during FMI there's nothing there that suggests he couldn't have run into Shanks

[vestal mural]

And he went to free them 15 years ago right? Doesn’t that match with the chapter? If not it could easily just be the month or so he waited before going

[distant vine]

What was TCB's version

[digital spear]

Loki escaped from Elbaf 14 years ago so he already wasnt really their prince anymore and the Lola thing had to happen later because she is 25 and she was an adult when it happened

[grand flower]

they said he was waiting on them hand and foot

[iron oriole]

Calling it drastic is crazy

[pine ridge]

if fisher tiger was briefly recaptured or oda just removes the chains in the volume release, all will be fine

[lofty fern]

More than that, he escaped as a slave one year and then came back the next year and did his raid, scaling the red line. Thats all been squished into one event.

[vestal mural]

Which is?

[alpine trench]

Meek doesn’t like Harald much

[narrow stratus]

tcb pushing anti harald agenda?

[hazy turret]

All for the sake of shanks glaze

[thin quest]

what do you mean?

[muted hedge]

definitely feels like it

[thin quest]

I don't know what you're asking

[hazy turret]

All for the sake of getting shanks involved

[muted hedge]

people really hate Harald for being very flawed

but i think he is interesting

[pine ridge]

he was still the prince and there are clearly some bloodline worshippers on elbaf who would make loki king

[distant vine]

I saw a take that him scaling the Red Line was in verse mythology

[solid stone]

ah I see

[ashen perch]

yeah, he went back to Marie Geoise again a year later, 15 years ago. Thats not what the chapter shows, the chapter shows him still being a prisoner who is wearing a slave collar and cuffs and all, rather than him coming back to attack Marie Geoise as a free man.

[distant vine]

W

[narrow stratus]

garp and harald are hated for being nuanced and interesting
hate to see it

[vestal mural]

At the end of the day OP is all about shanks and zoro glaze

[lofty fern]

He does not look to be briefly anything. He looks to have been there for a long time. Also, he doesn't scale anything

[royal orchid]

oda was wrong lmao

[tranquil blade]

Yeah if he broke out a year ago why does he still have chains on?

[digital spear]

Yes but Big Mom thought Elbaf would be hers if Loki married Lola but Loki was banned from Elbaf

[stone terrace]

Oda:

[muted hedge]

everytime Harald does something i can feel the desperation pour from his actions

[hazy turret]

Of all the things that Oda could have done to try and fix the reputation of the HK retroactively, it had to be at the expense of the most impactful fishman story

[pine ridge]

he still escaped first, went to fmi and then came back to release the slaves

[urban lodge]

If piratefolk hates a character you know they're good... and vice versa

[ashen perch]

its an oversight, Oda will fix it. He is just old

[solid stone]

if piratefolk has opinions on a character

[royal orchid]

what even is one piece if not aura and hype moments

[muted hedge]

this doesn't fix the reputation of the God Knights

this is just Shanks being a genuine good guy

like we know that he is

[lofty fern]

Meek hates Harald so it's possible

[vestal mural]

Oh gotcha. Yea that’s an easy fix lol. Why was he wearing a collar? Uhhhh got captured again. Why did shanks use his right arm? Uhhhh he would have killed fisher tiger if he had used his dominant arm
Now, do you wanna know shanks’ mom bra size?

[tranquil blade]

Unless you assume Fisher Tiger went up to free slaves and instantly got captured

[woeful moth]

yeah... thats a possibility though... because the only person that said he scaled the red line never actually know what really happened... to them Fisher Tiger is a hero of mythical proportions...

[royal orchid]

you forget he's a whole other person when talking to the TL crew

[narrow stratus]

the shanks involvement in the FT incident makes sense actually
as much of a goat FT is, it doesn't make sense that he could have done all that without help

[iron oriole]

People overreacting over 1 year difference

[muted hedge]

yeah

[narrow stratus]

whats the 1 year difference?

[thin quest]

it really makes me wonder why people who get upset by these small things still read

[ashen perch]

its not just an year difference lol

[iron oriole]

16 years ago now being 15 years ago

[woeful moth]

that's how long the strawhats has actually been together sailing

[lofty fern]

It has, two events over two years became one

[narrow stratus]

did oda change the date of the FT incident?

[sturdy steeple]

I do think that Fisher Tiger having an accomplice doesn’t change much. It’s an addition to the context that makes it more reasonable given the place where it took place. It’s a fortress full of Holy Knights.

[iron oriole]

Idk, its stupid... its not a big deal

[pine ridge]

well the timeline of ft escaping and then coming back doesn't work if this is the first and only time he was there

[ashen perch]

youre underselling the problem, its not some typo

[tranquil blade]

You cannot criticize anything Oda does anymore, he's literally above criticism for so many people now its kinda ridiculous

[iron oriole]

And you're overreacting to a date

[ashen perch]

it wouldnt be a big deal if it was, cause he has made similar mistakes all the time

[pine ridge]

but I do think this is supposed to be his second time in mariejois

[distant vine]

Tbf VIZ goes on to call Harald a tool in this chapter. Which is admittedly weaker wording but gets the same idea across

[stone terrace]

If you point out any mistakes oda makes you are a FAKE FAN

[frozen aspen]

https://vxtwitter.com/pewpiece/status/1995144975684657587?s=46

Pew (@pewpiece)

OFFICIAL : 🚨🚨🚨🚨

Joy Boy’s voice actor has been confirmed as Urara Takano!!

she is Luffy's first voice actor in the original OVA

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 30, 2025, 2:56 PM

[grand flower]

hee hee

[frozen aspen]

he is gonna be a luffy clonw isn't he

[tardy isle]

What if shanks didn’t help and was actually drinking the kool aide

[hazy echo]

Huh

[ashen perch]

like during VP's speech, he mistakenly mentioned that Roger died 24 years ago instead of 25 years

[woeful moth]

Toei actually cooked

[narrow stratus]

joyboy is a woman confirmed

[thin quest]

here come all the nerds with "well actually it changes X because Y."

🤓

[ashen perch]

and nobody cared about that, because its just a typo.

[solid stone]

pokemon xy mentioned

[distant vine]

Its over for the anti-destiny bros

[royal orchid]

I mean I liked it

https://fixupx.com/pewpiece/status/1995141619851629017?t=GkjJ9eGb4q-VZgRTjvMqyA&s=19

Pew (@pewpiece)

JOYBOY'S VOICE FINALLY!!!

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FixupX · Nov 30, 2025, 2:43 PM

[woeful moth]

they chose the first Luffy to be Joyboy

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-absolute-cinema-gif-15085453417287561698

[iron oriole]

Literally "errmmmm ackshually it changes...."

[alpine trench]

I think it’s a mistake, and a pretty big one but let’s see if he corrects it in the volume

[woeful moth]

she voiced Luffy from the OVA in 1998

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/froakie-pokemon-froakie-pokemon-xy-pokemon-xy-froakie-greninja-gif-25195898

[hazy turret]

Even worse then, it was fucked up for nothing other than boosting shanks. Other than the fact that he didn’t need it, that could have been shown with an incident that we hadn’t seen. Why does he need to take away some of the credit that fisher tiger was getting

[thin quest]

I just read and enjoy, the editors fix things for the Volume release. Must be difficult going through life like that tbh

[royal orchid]

holy shit it's the best starter

[lofty fern]

It takes away from Fisher tiger and takes away from a major event, I think that should count. It's not like Oda forgot one of Zoros swords or something

[ashen perch]

theres a reason nobody cared about this mistake, because it wasnt a big deal, and clearly just a typo

this is different

[distant vine]

To show that Shanks is a warrior of liberation

[vestal mural]

Another thing is this time skip panel. Maybe this was during his first escape and shanks told him to come back at X time? So the next page is a year later. Idk

[hazy echo]

I still remember the Luffy Gear 4 thing in the beginning of Elbaf

[muted hedge]

Fisher Tiger only got his collar cut and let known the location of the armory, other than that Fisher Tiger did it on his own like we first thought, Shanks really only enabled Fisher Tiger to even be able to do such in the first place

[vestal mural]

The message obv cuts off

[alpine trench]

It was kinda obvious that FT couldn’t have done much without some sort of inside help but it’s definitely funny seeing Oda pull this

[distant vine]

Wait what year disrepancy are we talking about

[hazy turret]

All hail the king Gary Stu!

[royal orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-gear5th-luffy-gear5-film-red-one-piece-gif-27494092

[distant vine]

I always assumed the Holy Knights were just watching TV or playing board games or something

[hazy turret]

Slave escapes and revolts happen without inside help all the time

[sturdy steeple]

Ehhh

[iron oriole]

Fisher Tiger stuff

[urban lodge]

I really don't think this is a big deal, it makes it way more believable if anything

[hazy echo]

Fisher Tiger and Mariejoa

[solid stone]

sick

[iron oriole]

Its not a big deal but people are blowing it up like it is

[lofty fern]

Which he could do none of without Shanks

[vestal mural]

Yea it detracts from tiger’s aura but it makes a lot more sense now

[sturdy steeple]

Getting into or out of MJ is mostly a meme at this point but it’s still a fortress full of dangerous people. They wouldn’t overlook slaves running away.

[muted hedge]

Fisher Tiger would've most likely been killed if it wasn't for Shanks yes

[vestal mural]

It’s just funny it happens to be shanks glaze lol

[royal orchid]

did you see G5 bonney
I liked it

[hazy turret]

It was believable before. How does this change benefit the story

[solid stone]

nah is that in the same episode?

haven't kept up with the anime in a while

[ashen perch]

I dont have an issue with FIsher Tiger having some help from the inside, its only logical after the inaction of the HKs needed some justification

[iron oriole]

In the grand scheme of things, its no issue

[distant vine]

BDA made a point about how this gives Dragon some leeway cause Fisher Tiger needed inside help

So I think Dragon fans should cherish this change

[sturdy steeple]

It was believable before we found out who the holy knights are.

[lofty fern]

They actually don't, we've only had like 3 in all this whole story

[vestal mural]

Is it a meme tho lol? The only ones besides FT that did it were all top tiers

[ashen perch]

The answer to it was simply that one of the HKs themselves were in on it, and it was Shanks of all people. This makes it very believable.

[hazy turret]

Meanwhile the thing that actually doesn’t make sense is how the gorosei send two idiot marines to make sure nothing survived in ohara and not actual intelligence agents

[hazy turret]

I’m talking about historically

[urban lodge]

It wasn't really after the introduction of the holy knights

[woeful moth]

isn't intelligence agents there too?

[vestal mural]

And how tf did they not find out about Saul through Harald all this time lmao. And relocating the books

[solid stone]

fisher tiger should've went gear fifth on them, he'd sweep easy

[ashen perch]

I mean Ohara was destroyed in front of intelligence agent Spandine and his group, the marines were just sent to ensure that there were no survivors and there werent.

[alpine trench]

There were cipher pol agents there

[hazy echo]

They actually adapted 2 chapters this time from what I’m hearing

[sturdy steeple]

I’m more or less joking but, I dunno, there guys like Bonney, Lafitte and etc.

[hazy turret]

That’s only if you assume Shanks was on some sort of patrol.

[alpine trench]

The books weren’t as much of a priority

[royal orchid]

https://fixupx.com/pewpiece/status/1995138480650010625?t=Bllrwk3FzN90BA88KfycSA&s=19

for those who didn't see it
I liked it honestly

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Bonney Becomes NIKA

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FixupX · Nov 30, 2025, 2:30 PM

[hazy turret]

They weren’t the ones who went through ohara. It was literally two morons

[grand flower]

I love Bonnika man

[urban lodge]

They cooked with Nika Bonney

[lofty fern]

Fisher even goes back and tells Neptune he's going to go on his raid in FMI

[urban lodge]

The Mars scene was kinda painful though

[vestal mural]

Laffite is just laffite lol. And Bonney has her fruit so but yes I get you

[hazy turret]

Is this a joke? The whole reason they demolished that island is because of what they were studying there

[narrow stratus]

From the library of ohara website,

(16 years ago) – Fisher Tiger, who escaped from being a slave at Mary Geoise, returns to Fishman Island. He talks with Neptune and Otohime, mentioning his desire to free the other slaves at the Holy Land (Chapter 621: 16 years ago. Jinbe’s age also corroborates this was 16 years ago)

(15 years ago) – Raid of Mary Geoise: Fisher Tiger scales the Red Line and raids Mary Geoise, freeing thousands of slaves from the clutches of the Celestial Dragons. Boa Hancock, Marigold, and Sandersonia are able to escape thanks to his efforts

in this chapter, 15 years ago, shanks helped free FT.. which makes no sense because FT initially was freed 16 years ago.
Damn Oda either fucked up or retconned this shit to glaze shanks

[hazy turret]

They weren’t the ones combing through the island

[wet condor]

They should've been

[grand flower]

I think the natural conclusion is fisher Tiger came back to do the raid and was stopped

[woeful moth]

ACTUALLY PEAK omg

[sturdy steeple]

Like it doesn’t detract from the fact that Fisher Tiger still willingly put the lives of other slaves as a priority. But as of how things are right now it needed an additional context.

[grand flower]

Fans have wondered for years how tiger wasn’t stopped

The answer can just be that he was

[pine ridge]

just remove the chains in post and it's good

[ashen perch]

Ohara is a library at its core, and we saw all the way back in Robin's flashback that the marines were simply ignorant and didnt think they mattered

[grand flower]

But then shanks helped him

[alpine trench]

I mean, this is a classic case of authoritarian lethargy

The marines after the fact didn’t just care

[narrow stratus]

oh you mean, 15 years ago, after he scaled the red line he was captured and enslaved again? I can see that

[hazy turret]

That’s what I’m saying. That’s why I’m not buying the “well it makes the FT escape believable now” because this oversight is way more egregious than a runaway slave that escaped without help from the enemy

[hazy echo]

You forgot one thing

[alpine trench]

The intelligence agents knew that the people who actually studied this shit knew and could propagate it, but what would lay people know

[narrow stratus]

which is?

[hazy echo]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-revolutionary-army-koala-koala-one-piece-blush-gif-7159017665174569709

[narrow stratus]

if its a deez nuts joke i am blocking

[sturdy steeple]

Nah, I get you. It’s all justifiable.
But when you think about the fortress of the main boss you think of Sen’s Fortress when one wrong step might kill you. At least I do.
But I think you do understand what I mean as you said so whatever.

[narrow stratus]

koalaaaa

[hazy turret]

Yes. Which is why the gorosei should have been sending either CP0 or going down there themselves to make sure not a single thing survived

[vestal mural]

Honestly it doesn’t matter that much. What I’m really curious about is how the rest of the stuff shanks did fits into the timeline. And don’t get me started on || uta ||

[distant vine]

Ok I see. If he really did plan the event then yeah he'd have to scale the Red Line...

Very well, since it was to glaze Shanks I think we should all forgive Oda and let this slide.

https://tenor.com/view/anime-frieren-hehe-he-he-he-gif-8238190512466196205

[ashen perch]

they made sure that no person survived, that was the priority

[hazy echo]

Koala was one of the slaves that escaped from Marijoa when Fisher Tiger raided it though yea

[woeful moth]

Or he scaled the red line... got recaptured... you know scaling that shit is actually fckin crazy

[hazy echo]

Tesoro as well but he’s noncanon

[ashen perch]

Ohara is a 6000 year old library, I dont think they had any reason to think that it posed a threat on its own anyways

[narrow stratus]

yeah but it is less epic

[ashen perch]

it was the people who had researched the language that were the threat

[narrow stratus]

i am fine either way, shanks glaze is welcomed

[hazy turret]

It’s not like they did what they can and it still managed to get by them, they made sure the people with the knowledge were dead but were fine with not checking that the SOURCE of that knowledge was eliminated too

[distant vine]

He could have been captured during his first attempt as some people have said.

[wet condor]

Literate researchers? They couldn't've written ANYTHING down?

Anything?

C'mon now y'all

[distant vine]

I wonder what Oda will say. Surely this comes up in SBS

[hazy turret]

Did they not notice the massive body of water surrounding the literal library where those academics were studying

[stone terrace]

Everyone knows scholars only pass down info by word of mouth

Maybe a cave painting if theyre really talented

[hazy turret]

That library just had voice notes

[sturdy steeple]

Oh you guys are talking about the Ohara thing

[wet condor]

Y'know what? I'd buy that if we're talking about scholars who didn't have writing

[alpine trench]

Again, it makes sense as to why not in that way, on its own, the books itself that didn’t provide much of a threat rather than people who studied it actually could, in hindsight we know it’s a dumb decision to leave them behind but they didn’t just care after the island was razed of people

These are texts that required even Vegapunk years to actually decipher and make sense of

[distant vine]

Its too much work for the busy Cipher Pol agents to pick up books out of a lake. Cant you let them rest? 😢

[wet condor]

If the story was set in a time that was similar to pre-Mesopotamia

[hazy turret]

Harsh, one of the first things every authoritarian regime does is gather a whole lotta books they don’t like and set it on fire

[pine ridge]

uta is barely canon

[ashen perch]

yea

[alpine trench]

Yeah I know lol but I’m saying that the government has such a control over the flow of information that they control the very means to communicate, they got cocky

[vestal mural]

I’m just so annoyed oda had to put her in that one panel

[digital spear]

Shanks stole Uta from Mariejois

wait nvm this doesnt make sense anymore

[hazy turret]

And the people of ohara did it too. Are they more special than vegapunk or something? Did they not worry the revolutionaries would get their hands on it

[sturdy steeple]

You could say they’re incompetent and dumb for leaving those books be but realistically that happens quite often. One carelessness leads to a bunch of consequences.

[distant vine]

It is interesting how Harald feels he's seen Shamrock and Shanks before

[alpine trench]

This is beyond any actual incidents we know of because the authority possessed by the government goes to a much deeper root than what we know of

[urban lodge]

The only thing I can think of is Roger visited Elbaf before and he saw Shanks as a kid

[sturdy steeple]

I wonder what was that about too.

[distant vine]

The WG doesnt really fight against the Revos at all tbh

[pine ridge]

doesn't really mean anything. like it could just mean there is a character named uta who looks like uta from the movie but has a completely different story

[ashen perch]

I assume Roger did meet Harald alongside his crew at some point, and Oda just skipped over that meeting

[alpine trench]

Again, I’m not excusing the dumb behavior of the marines but it makes sense in context

[vestal mural]

I swear if this turns into more child of destiny stuff. “Shanks’ face is on a mural next to the Harley”

[sturdy steeple]

Or Shanks looks like someone from a mural on Heaven’s Realm!

[hazy echo]

Oh no episode stream it seems

[urban lodge]

Lmao

[ashen perch]

Oda is making a point about their ignorance anyways

[sturdy steeple]

Mip lmaaao

[urban lodge]

Shanks looks like Joyboy...

[sturdy steeple]

We got it covered

[digital spear]

The part that Franky covered had Shanks on it

[tranquil blade]

I might cry if this happens

[hazy turret]

So why are people now saying that fisher tiger escaping on his own isn’t believable ????

[hazy echo]

Honestly it could?

[tranquil blade]

I'd lose it over that

[ashen perch]

youre supposed to think that these people are idiots who had no knowledge of the value that lied in that lakebed

[sturdy steeple]

Harald told that Shamrock first so yeah.

[tranquil blade]

Well people say the holy knights should've been able to handle him now that we know they exist

[pine ridge]

he escaped twice. once with other slaves and once alone

[digital spear]

Since the Holy Knights intro I was like why didnt they do shit when all their slaves were freed

[tawny panther]

maybe he saw shanks bounty poster before as a pirate

[vestal mural]

Just accept it. This is shanks piece now

[sturdy steeple]

Because it’s less believable that an entire fortress full of wacky immortal people let it happen.

They’re there for a reason, lol.

[dense rapids]

Luffy is Joy boy

[tranquil blade]

I need Blackbeard to take his life

[hazy turret]

Why weren’t the HKs deployed to make sure the books were burned in ohara

[sturdy steeple]

If anything those guys care more about their slaves than some distant shit.

[urban lodge]

And it's not just that, he burned shit down and caused a ton of chaos, it's not just that he escaped

[digital spear]

its interesting that Shanks bounty probably was frozen for a while when he became a holy knighz

[ashen perch]

Oda drew and published a 3 page manga centred around Uta in the Weekly Shonen Jump magazine, same as what he did for Shiki with Chapter 0. She is very much so canon and so is her backstory that involves Shanks and Luffy. Thats something Oda is gonna have to address.

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, it was chaos all over MJ.

[proud pivot]

Monkey D. Joyboy is real

[hazy echo]

That was like the first thing that got questioned when the HKs got introduced

[tranquil blade]

Uhhhhhh

[hazy turret]

Maybe he was just better? He had spent years in slavery, is it so impossible to believe that he outsmarted them? Again, I point to real examples of runaway slaves

[hazy echo]

Honestly I thought Fisher Tiger was just that guy

[distant vine]

Well with this now I know for certain they somehow got Shanks' name as a kid

[grand flower]

Yeah i was too harsh on tcb

sorry meek

[digital spear]

Well why didnt they do anything about Ohara in general? Seems to be the marines job

[grand flower]

Yeah pretty much

[woeful moth]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-luffy-gear-5-one-piece-drums-of-liberation-joyboy-gif-15172689724205192909

[pine ridge]

doesn't chapter 0 contradict the canon? and it's more like a loose hypothetical connection between the manga and the movie than actual canon

[digital spear]

Well this basically still happened

[ashen perch]

the Ohara mission took place under Sengoku's watch, the HKs were a non factor there

[hazy turret]

The buster call was their job. They don’t know WHY ohara is so dangerous because they don’t know the truth. The HKs are more likely to know, thus the gorosei giving them instructions to make sure the books are gone doesn’t risk the marines questioning anything

[vestal mural]

Shanks has honestly influenced so much in the world. He saved luffy, was the reason he ate the fruit although indirectly, had a lot to do in MF, stopped green bull after wano, and is now a fucking HK lol. Next we’re gonna hear his time as a yonko was him working for the celestials and luffy ate the fruit accidentally when shanks was supposed to retrieve it himself

[royal orchid]

Oda: Fisher Tiger climbed the red line, set marijoa on fire, beat up everyone, set free most of the slaves and dipped without a scratch

Me: of course oda

[distant vine]

The power difference is much larger here. Though I dont necessarily mind it cause what I think happened now is so many slaves took up arms it just got too chaotic to control. I guess you could have FT break into the armory

[rich hornet]

What’s the contradiction

[ashen perch]

nah nothing really contradicts the canon there unless you still are hoping for Shiki to return in 2025 lol

[hazy turret]

Not really because shanks handed him the tools he needed. Objectively, his achievements have to be shared with Shanks now.

[ashen perch]

he didnt?

Fisher Tiger escaped on his own

[royal orchid]

didn't shanks unlock his explosive collar

[tranquil blade]

We're gonna find out he's Joyboy's descendant too this shit is never gonna end with him

[pine ridge]

shiki never came back

[vestal mural]

Arsal genuinely believes that’s the case lmao. From his mom side

[lofty fern]

Except that doesn't seem to have been the plan until Shanks showed up and helped

[digital spear]

He did in the movie

[sturdy steeple]

Welp, canon itself calls Shanks special so there’s that. I can get behind it if AUTHOR himself admits it.

[hazy echo]

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X · Nov 30, 2025, 2:46 PM

[wet condor]

He took the chains off, yes. I don't know if they're the same explosive cuffs that we saw at the auction house in Sabaody. I don't think there's any harm in assuming that they were though

[tranquil blade]

Oh I know, and I somehow would not be surprised

[rich hornet]

That’s not a contradiction lol he was just wrong

[distant vine]

Teen Shanks Internal Destruction?

[sturdy steeple]

Gotta watch the episode

[distant vine]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[ashen perch]

we dont even know if they are explosive lol, but the point is that Fisher Tiger had still escaped from his cell on his own

[hazy turret]

Every slave that has escaped or ran away in history was operating at a large power difference too. They still managed to escape. Why couldn’t FT have had both the calculated escape and the luck that comes with pulling off something so risky.

[digital spear]

Well if I had a cent for every time the Gorosei shouldve done something but didnt...

[wet condor]

But Rokaya's right in that now some of Fisher Tiger's accomplishments now have to be attributed to Shanks in some way

[hazy echo]

Wait this is next week’s episode

[vestal mural]

Honestly I don’t have an issue with it. It’s just funny. And I’m finally starting to like shanks now that he has actual character and context instead of being stoic man appears once every 200 chapters

[woeful moth]

because its easier to just put it on the marines and call it a day... if they always just not make the marines do it anything... they should've just not made them at all... also there's like only 9 holy knights... they can't really do everything anyway

[stone terrace]

25 is not a teen bro 😭

[dense rapids]

Blackbeard permanently scarred a wano level Luffy Shanks

[wet condor]

Shanks is grown as hell lol

[ashen perch]

I am pretty sure the collars would have exploded if Shanks had tried to cut them that way, you have to throw them away immediately

[tranquil blade]

Yeah he's a grown ass man

[sturdy steeple]

lol, the second I said gotta watch the episode Rob announced the watch together thing

[lofty fern]

Would he not have died from his collar if he had run too far?

[urban lodge]

If Joyboy has any descendants it should be Shanks (and Shamrock) tbh, I think it's pretty cool. And we know he's not Joyboy's real successor anyway, he's like a failed chosen one

[proud pivot]

Shut up and lemme push shanks to top 1 🔥

[ashen perch]

like I said, it doesnt make sense for those collars to be explosive

[wet condor]

It doesn't take away the fact that Tiger did it, but now they're joint ventures when before it was supposed that FT acted alone

[ashen perch]

they explode as soon as they are destroyed

Rayleigh threw them far away immediately

[vestal mural]

What’s hilarious about shanks tho is how much he changed visually in the three years between being a HK and saving luffy

[ashen perch]

Fisher Tiger still had them near his neck

[urban lodge]

There's gotta be a reason why he's called a child of destiny

[digital spear]

Even above HIM?

[pine ridge]

ig but point still stands. it's just supposed to loosely connect the movie to the manga. I just treat it as promotional material for strong world

[hazy turret]

Before this chapter you could not have said that was the case. We simply did not know, which means it was just as possible that he did. It was THIS chapter that Oda decides to go this direction that was completely unnecessary and only serves to boost shanks. Which like I said earlier, could have been done by showing an incidence we don’t know about

[proud pivot]

He is above scaling

[digital spear]

[ashen perch]

I think what Shanks did to the collars is more symbolic if anything, its him "fake" attacking Fisher Tiger and getting close enough to inform him that he had left the armory open for him

[vestal mural]

^

[ashen perch]

nothing about saving him from explosive collars, because again, it doesnt make sense for them to be explosive

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, exactly. There’s something finally to like besides him being a badass dude.
There’s another strong swordsman that desperately needs this treatment

[woeful moth]

do people really think that there's a thousand holy knights in Mariejoa? its a very exclusive club and can't really quell that big of a commotion even how strong they are... unless they are tasked to just kill all the slaves... they can't possibly do anything on the escapes of that many slaves

[rich hornet]

It’s both promotional movie material and a canon supplement

[hazy turret]

No one said they had to carry out the buster call. After the marines had left and the island stopped burning, they could have sent the HKs to make sure the books were gone since telling the marines may lead to them questioning them

[vestal mural]

That man, who shall not be named, is the biggest fraud in the world. I wish he burns and dies slowly and painfully

[sturdy steeple]

LOL

[pine ridge]

ig we'll see once uta is mentioned again (if she ever is)

[woeful moth]

yeah... there's too less of them... and that task is not really as intense to need a holy knight

[distant vine]

@hazy turret I will say I do think if Oda willed it he could write FT doing this as a solo mission (breaking into the armory of his own knowledge) and it would work

[rich hornet]

Don’t hold your breath on that one lol

[hazy turret]

And again, this isn’t for some regular ol political job. This threatens the very foundation of their world, it would make sense they would be a SMIDGE more careful

[ashen perch]

this is still mostly a solo Fisher Tiger job

[stone terrace]

It's an honor!

[ashen perch]

Shanks merely aided by giving him access to the armory

[vestal mural]

Shanks figuratively and literally just opened a door for tiger

[distant vine]

I mean he had to have escaped slavery before this raid right? If this is his second time its absolutely plausible. If its his first time he got very lucky but its feasible

[stone terrace]

@ashen perch do you still think theres 13 HKs?

[woeful moth]

you know they gotta trust the navy atleast right? even if they aren't doing their job right... even Imu and the WG don't really know everything that happens

[ashen perch]

I do yeah

[sturdy steeple]

^^^

[hazy turret]

I feel like you’re not getting my point. Sending two HKs to make sure nothing from the library that these scholars were studying to unravel their big mystery was left behind

[hazy echo]

Oh wait there was the Big Mom ones that they might be confusing for

[pine ridge]

I'm not. I actually hope uta and shiki will stay as movie characters at least outside flashbacks

[sturdy steeple]

Let’s not exaggerate Shanks’ aid here

[hazy echo]

Since that one has a range limit

[strong wadi]

is this counting godsteel

[wet condor]

The thing is we don't know how difficult it would've been for Tiger to have gotten access to the armory if he had to do it on his own and Shanks hadn't helped him

[strong wadi]

oh wait lemme read viz

[tranquil blade]

I think Arsal said it wasnt

[grand flower]

I don't think the holy knights would be able to recognize what the books were about either. Charloss' sister didn't know what the void century is. They're kept ignorant as well

[ashen perch]

yeah, or Yamato's. This is how the slave collars work, they start beeping and explode if you dont throw em far away

[proud pivot]

Fisher tiger upscale chapter

[grand flower]

I think Imu and the Elders are strictly keeping it so NO ONE knows the truth but them

[woeful moth]

again... its not a big task and they trust marines enough to not need a personal hand in there

[ashen perch]

This is not what Fisher Tiger was wearing, he had regular collars that didnt explode at all

[digital spear]

I wonder if the lowest level of contract includes CP0

[lofty fern]

Followed immediately by down scale since basically Shanks saved his life and made everything following this possible

[rich hornet]

At most they might make a end of series cameo, but movie characters aren’t coming back. All I’m saying is chapter 0 is canon. It tells us about Edd war and Shiki escaping impel down. Both of those did happen

[vestal mural]

Does it matter tho? It just helped with the chaos so more people got the chance to escape

[ashen perch]

nah

[cold steppe]

I doubt they're collars that explode. Otherwise it's dangerous to the CDs

[wet condor]

It may actually be very difficult for him to have gotten in there without Shanks help. Let's suppose that he had to destroy the door down. If anyone hears that, that puts them on alert earlier then he may've gotten captured again

[wet condor]

I'm saying that he may've gotten captured if Shanks hadn't helped him

[vestal mural]

Mhm. Also they can always just shoot them

[grand flower]

I think he ended up captured

[distant vine]

Rayleigh had so much aura in Sabaody

[proud pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-fake-news-gif-11382583

[grand flower]

He broke out 16 years ago and this happeend 15 years ago, so I think when he came back he was captured so shanks helped him

[vestal mural]

And I’m saying he maybe didn’t even think about going to the armory. Just free slaves and leave

[strong wadi]

What's the reason then because now that I've read the Viz, both TCB and Viz are very clear it'd be 5 gorosei and 8 Holy Knights

[ashen perch]

The Shallows Covenant belongs to the Devoted Blades, the Depths Covenant belongs to the regular HKs and the Abyssal Covenants belongs to the Commanders of the HKs. The Gorosei entirely transcend this system and have a different connection with Imu. Thats how I think it works.

[lofty fern]

Or Oda just made a mistake. He does not look like he has been in there for less than a year. And I highly doubt he would ever let himself be taken as a slave again. He'd rather die than do that

[grand flower]

I don't look at stories that way

[wet condor]

Feel like this would've been said

[grand flower]

If we have material in the text that supports a conclusion, I personally just go with that

[digital spear]

how many commanders are there

[rich hornet]

Surely some of the HK’s have an abyssal contract, not just commander. If not then who else

[grand flower]

we've asked for years how did fisher tiget pull this off without holy knights or navy stopping him

seeing him in chains here just feels like we now have an answer to that

they did stop him

shanks intervened

[lofty fern]

I'm pretty sure the elders are included. They're the ones with the abyssal contracts and actually it does make sense that it took them so long to invite Loki into the fold, because they had to wait for somebody to die which was Saturn. And then garling took Saturn's place and so somebody could take garlings place.

[grand flower]

it adds up and that's good enough for me

[woeful moth]

he is a capable fighter anyway... the singular escape and dealing with normal guards isn't really the problem... the problem is encountering an HK... but he is lucky he encountered Shanks and told him about the armory

[distant vine]

Id be surprised they didnt kill him at that point

[lofty fern]

So you don't want to think that the writer ever makes a mistake?

He is only human and this is a 20-year story

[ashen perch]

I mean idk, we dont have the answer to this

[grand flower]

He may have but if the material gives me enough for a conclusion that adds up that's what i'm going with

[hazy turret]

Again, it’s a huge deal because those books contain the information that they killed those scholars over

[distant vine]

I'll view this as I do Zoro Mink Meth. The ends justify the means.

[lofty fern]

Well I'm glad there are fans like you who can make up stuff to cover his mistakes

[digital spear]

Sure but in this case it can be explained like how Shuron said it

[pine ridge]

sometimes the mistake is not explaining everything thoroughly enough

[distant vine]

Absolute Hypebeasting

[strong wadi]

Potentially, not mad at this, but I can imagine the amount of "devoted blade/god steel" that would be mad they got skipped over

[grand flower]

would the knights be able to recognize them tho

[digital spear]

this is Imus mistake not the HKs imo

[ashen perch]

the Commander tier HKs have the abyssal contract, the regular ones dont. Commander is a position that we have seen Shamrock and Garling be in, but there is likely more

[rich hornet]

They were killed over reading the poneglyphs and knowing the AK. The books were collateral

[wet condor]

There's a bunch of what ifs going into it. But the main thing is that Oda wanted to include Shanks in this. And because of Shanks, Tiger's raid is more successful than it otherwise would've been. I don't see why Oda would've even included Shanks in this if he didn't want Shanks contribute to be notable in anyway. If he wanted to show that Tiger was completely capable of doing this all by himself, it makes more sense to me to have him actually just do it by himself. Otherwise, it's just putting Shanks in there for the sake of it in and of itself

[grand flower]

Yeah same thing with the navy not destroying the books

the mistake goes back to imu

[lofty fern]

This is also possible, I just can't see it that someone who was as traumatized as Fisher tiger was that he could ever let himself become a slave again. Even for a short time. The man basically died hating that time of his life. I think he would rather have killed himself than to have let that happen again

[rich hornet]

I see, I misunderstood as supreme commander

[grand flower]

imu wanted the system to keep them in the dark

[woeful moth]

and they trust the marines enough for that... they did a good job with God Valley prior anyway...

[hazy turret]

They should be able to recognize a big ass pile of books

[woeful moth]

even with survivors... the god valley story never really exploded like it should've been

[hazy turret]

Trust a couple of idiot marines who barely know why these scholars were being eradicated? Sure man

[strong wadi]

Definitely disagree. I'd say there is just 1 commander, he has the depth's covenant contract, but is next in line for the Gorosei position/Abyssal Contract over the otehr 7 Holy Knights

[ashen perch]

For the Fisher Tiger thing, I like the idea that while he did climb the redline, he did it while being dressed as a slave to blend in. Like that could explain why he is dressed that way.

[lofty fern]

They're basically like squires. They may never make it. We don't know how many there are but people just get jumped over. Imagine how many people got mad that two newbies just became admiral over them?

[hazy turret]

God valley didn’t have a library that contained the world’s secrets

[grand flower]

that's not what i mean. saul mentions that the navy didn't destroy the books because they didn't know what the books meant. they weren't able to recognize that was material to be destroyed because the government keeps education severely limited.

i'm saying the holy knights would probably be in the same boat cause we've seen imu keeps the nobles ignorant too

[pine ridge]

yeah but who knows

[strong wadi]

Vice admirals aren't built from the same cloth as celestial dragons

[woeful moth]

yep... they fcked up... it happens to any large government... well large governments fck up alot... and even WG fcks up ALOT

[pine ridge]

personally I'm waiting for the volume release

[lofty fern]

From the way it's worded it's clear that he got out. And he would have had to put his own chains on that he could not get out of on his own, which he would not do. Just think it's a mistake rather than trying to make up an excuse for everything that Oda messes up

[stone terrace]

Chopper needs to open a medical school in elbaf

[lofty fern]

Yes, but the same sentiment would be there

[grand flower]

World Nobles are also kept in the dark

[urban sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-one-piece-animated-gifs-one-piece-anime-one-piece-hachinosu-one-piece-blackbeard-marshall-d-teach-gif-3594812928421682136

[grand flower]

so i imagine holy knights may be as well

[woeful moth]

they should've really did all the things you say... but... they didn't because they are an incompetent government too

[cold steppe]

I think
Abyssal covenant: Immortal and don't age
Dephs covenant: Immortal with regen
Shallows covenant: marked but still normal

[vestal mural]

Well, this isn’t really about shanks contributing as much as a display of character. He was in marijois and this is a big event, so it makes sense to use it to show his motivations. Could oda have used a new event to display that? For sure. But honestly, it’s just shanks glaze at the end of the day. That’s all shanks ever gets.
I’m fine with tbh. It’s not ideal but I don’t care much

[grand flower]

certain subjects are suppressed because they don't want another great kingdom to happen

[ashen perch]

There is the Supreme Commander position and there is the Commanders position, theres a difference between the two. Theres definitely one Supreme Commander but I dont see why there would be only one commander under him lol

[lofty fern]

Or just she is, we've seen other CDs who do know about the void century. So it might just be a her thing

[hazy turret]

Shuron. Think of this from the point of view of an authoritarian government. These scholars were getting close to unraveling the secrets we’ve been trying to keep hidden. I don’t give a shit what the books are about im burning them all to the ground to be sure. That’s why Akainu did that with the evacuation ship

[tranquil blade]

I feel the full on knights know more but are just too corrupt to care

[grand flower]

like who?

[iron oriole]

HKs know about Nika etc so they probably know some details

[woeful moth]

i think people are getting caught up that WG is infallible when all things consider... they actually suck at everything

[lofty fern]

We saw them talk about the sins of the buccaneers in the sins of the Davie family during the God valley incident. And they addressed what happened during the missing void century. So they at least know what it is even if they don't know exactly what happened during it

[grand flower]

you're missing that the navy didn't know to report the books because imu keeping these subjects secret means they couldn't recognize what they were about

[wet condor]

This a fair assessment lol

[grand flower]

oh okay

[hazy turret]

My point is they were capable of sending competent people who knew more about why they were carrying out the buster call. If the HKs don’t know anything then it should’ve been the gorosei themselves checking

[pine ridge]

and you get the deeper covenant when you're allowed to learn more which probably locks them in anyway

[grand flower]

that's why im bringing this up. we don't know that the knights would be able to recognize what the books were either

[digital spear]

Sharlia redemption arc

[ashen perch]

yea. Their mission was to kill the scholars, the library itself was at best just the regular Ohara library as far as they were concerned.

[grand flower]

the elders themselves is fair

[hazy turret]

IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER if the navy didn’t report, they should have went down themselves and checkedddd someone that is more in the know. How do you expect people who don’t know what they were doing to know what to look for

[lofty fern]

Would they really need to recognize what the books were? All they need to do is destroy them

[woeful moth]

yeah they are capable... but they suck ass so they don't do the best thing possible...

[digital spear]

So do you agree this is an Imu fuckup

[woeful moth]

they just do things...

[distant vine]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-robot-i-don't-wanna-spongebob-robot-i-don't-really-feel-like-it-gif-2139763110611685049

[grand flower]

exactly

[lofty fern]

And we know that the knights do know a lot of stuff. And Ethan did say that if you have are a Knight you have basically the entire history. That's why somebody like garling knows who the great one is

[distant vine]

Cipher Pol circa Ohara Incident

[woeful moth]

Imu always fcks up anyway

[grand flower]

imu's methods are backfiring on him rokaya

that's because hes the villain

and his methods are bad

[hazy turret]

Go back to my previous message. I’m assuming the HK know considering how close they are to Imu. And if they don’t it doesn’t change anything because my overall point is someone who is IN THE KNOW

[woeful moth]

he just won the biggest thing that's why he rules now

[ashen perch]

the Marines didnt report on the books immediately and then the books just disappeared, feel like theres just no window here that allows anyone to notice their existence here honestly

[woeful moth]

he literally fcked up with Lily and the spread of the poneglyphs

[grand flower]

should have been sent? sure. their complacency is going to lead to their downfall because they're the bad guys and the bad guys make mistakes that result in their ultimate failure

what's the problem?

[strong wadi]

Tbh i didn't remember their being a difference, I assumed Shamrock had just replaced Garling in his former position, but upon further checking I guess they are different. I'd just say there are 7 commanders then, 1 supreme commander, and then 5 gorosei

[lofty fern]

He seems to be doing pretty well currently and has been doing well for centuries so something's working

[woeful moth]

Imu always fcks something up

[ashen perch]

like even if they sent Cipher Pol later, the books were just gone like they never existed, so it didnt really matter anyways

[hazy turret]

So why is it unbelievable that fisher tiger escaping was the HK’s trying to stop him backfiring. Why can we make excuses for this oversight but FT escaping on his own is just suddenly totally unbelievable

[woeful moth]

he does pretty well... but still not infallible... he still is so scared of everything around him... if he is so fckin infallible... he'd just really rule the world without the facade of an "empty throne"

[wet condor]

So Shuron, do you think it's impossible for the Gorosei to have sent any competent people on this op? Do you think that this OP wouldn't have warranted sending in competent men and women to completely eradicate all information relating to their Void Century research? Why would they not send people who're capable enough to do that? Rank-and-file guys don't know what the books are and don't need that information. Okay, even IF you want to say that those guys aren't smart enough or lack the common sense to report these types of things to their COs, it doesn't change the fact that the WG has at least some people who're capable of actually carrying out orders. If that wasn't the case they wouldn't have arrested the amount of control they have on the world that they do

[ashen perch]

the problem with this is that the regular HKs like Gunko, Sommers and Qilingham are never referred to as commanders. Its only Garling 33 years ago, and Shamrock in the present day. Theres some distinction Oda is making there that we just dont fully know about yet.

[woeful moth]

he even fcks up the "empty throne" thing

now people knows its not actually empty

[digital spear]

They know that people learning about the VC is bad, but they werent involved in the mission and its not something that personal to them, because they age like normal humans. Its personal to Imu and the Gorosei so its them who shouldve given people the task to really check if nothing is left on Ohara

[strong wadi]

I would say it's not a coincidence only 7 are here in this page, with only the supreme commander left out

[lofty fern]

That's actually stupid. Why would you reveal yourself when the people themselves are going to serve you? Anyway, it's basically like the idea of ruling from the shadows. As long as people who think that they are in control, they actually will give you their free and willingly without even realizing it. It's like asking why would palpatine do everything he did from the shadows rather than doing it right in front of everyone? Because it's easier and much longer lasting to get people to give you their freedom out of manipulation rather than trying to force it on them head on. People still don't understand that. That's why Imu doesn't just take over the world by force

[distant vine]

I think the WG makes too many mistakes to be treated seriously by a lot of fans. Though you could argue that this is just the collapse of an empire and them being overly incompetent is part of the point

[digital spear]

yeah it makes sense now that Gunko isnt here she wasnt a Holy Knight yet

just gods steel

[ashen perch]

I get that, but again they still arent called commanders here

[lofty fern]

I don't think it's the supreme Commander. We're missing one person who was in the Kuma flashback. He was probably somewhere else. That would make eight

[woeful moth]

aaaand he still fcked it up... and now people knows its not actually empty

[distant vine]

Personally I will say I dont take the WG very seriously. They mess up A LOT

[wet condor]

I dunno man, if I'm in charge of this shit, there's no way it gets bungled up this badly lol

[cold steppe]

We still don't know exactly how the HKs operates. I mean they didn't do anything during the revs attack and releasing the slaves

[lofty fern]

The only people who actually know are people who either are already in his confidence or people who don't really matter and will probably die eventually anyway. People who no one believes anyway

[wet condor]

I'm sending in people who can carry out these orders lol

[distant vine]

The story still works for me but I never feel like theyre a dominating force

[cold steppe]

Not to mention they don't participate in major conflicts or anything

So there has to be something

[lofty fern]

That's the thing about a good lie, it doesn't matter if some people know the truth as long as everyone else wants to believe the lie

[lofty fern]

Actually, I don't even think they're supposed to. The only reason they got involved with the Fisher tiger incident was because it seemed like someone from the inside got involved. Their job is to deal with celestials who go rogue

[grand flower]

well one adds up and one doesn't really. The knights ignoring tiger's raid while physically being present doesn't really make sense.

in the case of ohara, Imu and the Elders have cultivated both a culture of "follow orders exactly, do exactly as you're told, nothing less and nothing more" and they've severely suppressed the spread of advanced subjects. so when the marines receive the order "kill scholars and bomb the island," it makes sense that subsequently they didn't mention the books about subjects they couldn't recognize because they weren't informed or educated about them or what they mean.

[woeful moth]

the bad thing is... the one guy that knows it now... is the face of the revolution and directly opposing him... and people fully believes on

[distant vine]

Oh yeah they havent put any resources into chasing Wapol and Vivi lmao

[torn stirrup]

I'm interesting in what the next chapter is precisely gonna be focusing on, it's probably gonna be general setup for the day of Harald's death since we're now only 1 year away, but idk might be some more stuff about Loki's role in Elbaph and the elbaph elders, we'll see i guess

[grand flower]

no they could have but they're the villains so they're gonna do shit that ultimately undermines them

[strong wadi]

are you referring to the silhouette panel with dragon or something else

[distant vine]

The truth about the secret king of the world might be leaked? Ehh we can deal with that later

[grand flower]

do you guys expect the wg to make the perfect decision every time?

[lofty fern]

Not everyone does. In fact, the majority does not. And even if he did say something, some people will just not believe it. Then it would be their word against the other people and it would just go back and forth and back and forth unless he has some real proof. It's just his word against theirs

[hazy turret]

I’m not even gonna finish reading because how do you assume them being incompetent means they ignored him escaping. It just means he took advantage of their complacency and got the better of him

[grand flower]

i don't think there's enough detail to justify that adding up like there is for the ohara thing. if you kept reading, you'd have seen why i say that

[cold steppe]

Yeah that might be the reason. So far they're just dealing with internal things present time

[woeful moth]

Some... but enough people believe him... that is directly opposing Imu and he will start the revolution by doing that

[lofty fern]

No, during the Kuma flashback we have two more knights who were shown. A guy who looked like a prince and a guy with a gas mask. I think one of those two is the yeti guy we see behind all of the others. Which would leave the other one missing. All together that would equal eight

[woeful moth]

come on... Imu still fcked that up

[lofty fern]

And how did he do that? He has people who are supposed to do these jobs for him. Why is he in trouble?

[woeful moth]

the one guy that should've never known there's an not empty throne is a revolutionary... hell, a top guy of the revolution

[grand flower]

i wanna go back to thsi because you guys do realize that if the WG made the optimal decision every time, you'd just be mad they end up losing right?

[hazy turret]

For like the hundredth time, runaway slaves exist. They escaped from people who were much faster, stronger, and armed and that was in real life. But somehow an incident like that being slightly exaggerated with the HK and FT is just unbelievable?

[grand flower]

you would instead be saying "how do the guys who make the right decison every time end up losing"

[hazy turret]

No

[bold sonnet]

https://x.com/DawnStussy/status/1995149073687744581?s=20
@stone tulip

Stussy Sama - Dawn&Dusk (@DawnStussy)

【Lost in Translation by a Native Japanese Speaker】

Most people seem to think “Mosa” is actually Shirahoshi, but from a native-Japanese perspective, There’s one thing that stands out to me — the way the two of them speak.

Shirahoshi often ends her sentences with very formal

X · Nov 30, 2025, 3:13 PM

[grand flower]

ey if you say so

[lofty fern]

He may or he may not, it may start and it may die out. The last 800 years and none of them have done anything. Just knowing that there could be someone on the throne is not enough to sway everyone else. Again, he has no proof

[grand flower]

i know that's not true and i know you know that's not true

i'm not finna argue with stuff like that

[hazy turret]

I have said multiple times before that if they had done everything they can and still managed to lose I would get it

[pine ridge]

luffy changed her

[hazy turret]

Don’t make me pull up my chat logs

[tawny panther]

interesting ….

[grand flower]

that's not how villains work

[sturdy steeple]

That’s true. Because that would just end in disbelief from community’s side. “How could’ve they lost after having all under their wing?!”

[grand flower]

villains lose because their vices get the better of them

[lofty fern]

She could always be more casual with Loki. As if she is more comfortable with him as a friend than she is with anyone else. I wouldn't hold that against her

[bold sonnet]

[hazy turret]

Villains aren’t inherently incompetent

[grand flower]

in this case, imu and the elders suppressing knowledge and cultivating a culture in their ranks that kills free thought is backfiring on them

[woeful moth]

Imu still fcked up

[grand flower]

all villains lose because they are inherently flawed

[prisma yacht]

I don't like this at all
Bad breakdown boooo

[lofty fern]

Hey if you want to believe that go ahead LOL

[grand flower]

scar loses in lion king because his pride and selfishness leads him to make the wrong decisions

[hazy turret]

Those are two very different things

[digital spear]

Based on what I said about Ohara, I think that was not personal for the Holy Knights and rather something Imu shouldve given the task for as it is personal for Imu, BUT Fisher Tiger raiding Mariejois on his own and stealing all the slaves from the CDs is something that slaps the Holy Knights in the face, as they supposedly also live in Mariejois just as other CDs. Before the Holy Knights people thought the CDs were just weak so Tiger couldve pulled it off, but now with the Holy Knights apparently there was a group of people among the CDs who couldve done something and since they had slaves too it was in their interest to do so. So its easier to stomach if theres someone among the Holy Knights who we know is a good guy and helped tiger

[grand flower]

ALL villains in EVERY good story loses because of their fatal flaws

[woeful moth]

he tried to kill him... hell even tried to kill him via destroying an island

[grand flower]

that's what you are seeing with imu and the elders

[ashen perch]

Shanks even being in the HKs is a cataclysmic fuckup from the WG, we're gonna see it play out, they're not meant to be very competent

[vestal mural]

This this this this

[grand flower]

their need for control, their suppression of freedom, their reliance on manipulation

these are their fatal flaws

ALL of them are on display with the ohara incident

ALL of them can be attributed to why the navy didn't report the books

[strong wadi]

Those aren't necessarily holy knights. They can just be other celestial dragons that are hunting. When Garling says "holy knights will handle this" it only shows 3 of them which are from the panel of 7.

[hazy turret]

YC, my response to your reply is essentially going to be the same point this message makes. So to save myself the trouble, this is what I have to say to that

[sturdy steeple]

Honestly, even from the translation it feels somewhat distant from Shirahoshi’s speech pattern.
Not gonna bother to check the raws but that’s cool.

[grand flower]

if imu and the elders didn't exercise their need for control, suppression of free thought and reliance on manipulation, the navy would have known to report the books

[sturdy steeple]

Buuuuut I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just Oda playing games, lol.

[grand flower]

the navy would have known to destroy the books

[hazy turret]

That doesn’t make them incompetent lol

[grand flower]

the wg isn't incompetent either

it just came to a head here

[pulsar timber]

Bonnika

[pine ridge]

luffy being luffy

[grand flower]

it has to come to a head at some point with something

that's how all villain losses work

there has to be a point where their flaws cause their constitution to collapse on themselves