also-manga

[icy wolf]

i wasnt here before hachinosu but i heard the streets were saying garp is a vergo victim

[grand flower]

King of lightning lol

[keen quiver]

Those people were smoking paint thinner

[pulsar path]

What a rat ass lyer

[ashen perch]

Okay that wasn't a common take lol, that was just KoL and his viewers

[sturdy steeple]

How could he… I no longer support Shanks for lying to his fans.

[grand flower]

Yeah lmao

[keen quiver]

Kol can't scale for shit

[vestal mural]

Bro what. Who said that. Tell me and I’ll ban them

[keen quiver]

He used to say judge top 3

[ashen perch]

The common belief was that he wasn't quite on Roger's level but still extremely powerful

[sturdy steeple]

Judge top 5 still holds up though.

[grand flower]

Glad that’s put to bed

[ashen perch]

yeah

[sturdy steeple]

Yeah, I mean, I can get behind Garp being as strong as Roger.

[ashen perch]

Well its not a massive difference, from being somewhat below Roger to equals now

[sturdy steeple]

Definitely not a thing with other admirals

The current ones

[icy wolf]

has there ever been anything portraying roger as superior to garp

[vestal mural]

Being close to Roger might as well be as strong as him anyway lol

[keen quiver]

It seems like garp was stronger in portrayal

[sturdy steeple]

Garp current bounty speaks a lot about him too.

[proud pivot]

wonder how much was Joy Boy bounty

[ashen perch]

yeah well, while Garp cornered Roger on multiple occasions, he never actually succeeded in capturing him

[pulsar path]

But is that by choice

[ashen perch]

who knows

[pulsar path]

I think so

[minor sky]

what but it literally is true. and its a special application of conquerors. for example even sommers can stall out aokiji in a fight as long as aokiji has no conquerors

gunko had her entire torso shred to nothing and insta regen'd

[vestal mural]

Garp’s random marines aren’t even close to Roger’s crew anyway

[hazy turret]

because he's always breaking them

[keen quiver]

Nah that's actually wild

[pulsar path]

True even if you were to take just Gaben and Rayleigh

[vestal mural]

Mhm

[pulsar path]

That does tip the scales

[keen quiver]

Gaben

https://tenor.com/view/gaben-gif-25325451

But yeah gaban and Raleigh are equals in my mind

[pulsar path]

Gayabyun

[hazy turret]

i cracked myself up and thats all that matters

[minor sky]

capper gabum is 3rd

[keen quiver]

That's valid tbh

[ashen perch]

yeah I am just saying its not true that the HKs are immediately toast againt ACoC users, because you do need a special application of it and we havent seen how a stronger regen user would cope with facing someone who can hurt them.

and yea, if like 99.9% of the world is useless against you, that is still impressive lol

[vestal mural]

More like there’s only like 10 guys who could ever kill you

[keen quiver]

It always just sounds like arsal is gasing up an immortal snail

[ashen perch]

people have really trivialized how much of a rarity ACoC is

[ashen perch]

yea lol

[pulsar path]

It's just the same as fruit creep

[vestal mural]

Yea sadly

I can’t wait to find out wtf kind of fruit imu has

[minor sky]

true but at the same time loki had no idea what conquerors was in general but he still implied he was able to damage immortal people

[pulsar path]

Damn we really had 26 coc users?

[vestal mural]

Like Jfc tanking those hits in gv like they were nothing is insane

[hazy turret]

its gonna be sea/water related

[keen quiver]

Ngl that stuff did not impress me

😭

[vestal mural]

Wdym

[keen quiver]

Need to see some actual fighting

[vestal mural]

Ah

[keen quiver]

Not being able to die doesn't give you a ribbon in my book.

[hazy turret]

imu is the mother of nature, the sea, the same demon that cursed davy jones and made it so devil fruits take away your ability to swim

[keen quiver]

We din't think kaido was impressive because he took no damage

It was because he sent luffy to the lobby

[vestal mural]

Yea that’s fair

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/luffy-kaido-one-piece-oneshot-gif-18138803

[pulsar path]

I thought we thought kaido was impressive cus Odas five page description

Introduction

[vestal mural]

But taking 5 acoc hits from literally the strongest people in the world and being fine is still insane

[pulsar path]

Than taking out three supernovas single handley

[keen quiver]

Its more annoying than insane for me personally

Specially since we finding out how to beat them this arc

[ashen perch]

Imu nearly knocked out Xebec by throwing him into the ground lol

[keen quiver]

So this is really a one arc issue

[pulsar path]

It could be Imu will is just stronger

[vestal mural]

That just gave him aura

[pulsar path]

Or imus Wills.

[keen quiver]

Imu

Arsal

Thats IMU

[low nacelle]

.

[keen quiver]

😭

[ashen perch]

what, were you not talking about Imu???

[keen quiver]

No I'm talking about the god knights

Not imu

[pulsar path]

Na he literally took at three of luffys comtenparys. And fell from 10,000 meters ?

[keen quiver]

I was saying I needed more to think they are intimidating.

[ashen perch]

you replied to Mip talking about Imu by saying its not impressive and you need to see actual fighting from them...

[keen quiver]

Not dying wasn't enough

[pulsar path]

Holy knights are looking kinda meh right now other than Gunko and sham

[vestal mural]

Wasn’t a yonko taking out people like them with ease the expectation back then tho?

[keen quiver]

Tanking those hits as in God knights

[pulsar path]

In hoping we have some secret pirate holy knights shananagains like some Harolds out there

[keen quiver]

Not imu

Think wires got crossed

[vestal mural]

I was talking about imu. And what does this mean anyway

[ashen perch]

yeah I am just saying you replied to a message about Imu, so I was confused lol

[keen quiver]

Yeah no I've been talking about the GK this whole time.

[keen quiver]

Talking about how nothing that happened to the GK killed them. And I need to see them fight properly to feel any intimidation.

[pulsar path]

Wym? Kid and mad monk had attacked big moms crew and both survived one with full success and a rubbing

[keen quiver]

Oda just had them running around like headless chickens

Till imu showed up to do the real work

[vestal mural]

Yes but they didn’t take her head on did they? Just her commanders

Also kidd getting fucked by shanks the first time

[keen quiver]

That was beckman

He never saw shanks

😭

[vestal mural]

Oh yea

[ashen perch]

as for the HKs, Gunko already beat half the crew and then Gaban(with some shenanigans but nevertheless), Sommers blocked a couple of hits from Gaban but he'll be more impressive when he takes on someone his own size, and Qilingham with his nightmare monsters has been impressive, idk what more do you want, they were literally easily winning in Elbaf lol

[vestal mural]

And when he saw him he truly got fucked

[pulsar path]

Yet some how kaido was the one to break them

[dense haven]

imu about to mog luffy in elbaf

[keen quiver]

Sommers is a sanji victim so let's get this out the way right now

[pulsar path]

Also no Ben become faught kid not shanks

[ashen perch]

he objectively isnt lol

[keen quiver]

Never seen a more sanji coded victim

In my life

Down to the love vs love thing

[ashen perch]

Sanji is getting his ass handed to him right now, but he will get a powerup

[pulsar path]

Watch he's going to be Zoro opponent

[keen quiver]

Zoro fans went this washed up old man ?

[pulsar path]

Swerving expectations

[vestal mural]

They’re literally demolishing elbaf. They’re quite powerful

[keen quiver]

He already got moped by Raleigh and gaban

I thought zoro fans would want qilingham

[ashen perch]

yeah lol

[pulsar path]

Personally don't like to seek out match ups because oda writing will do it better

[ashen perch]

Sommers can take Zoro but the whole love v love aspect makes Sanji more likely for sure

[keen quiver]

Im holding my breath because people said this about cpo showing up

Then they got packed up

[pulsar path]

Yeah but wano was supposed to be zoros arc egghead for Franky and usopp on elbaf......

Oda swerving expectations

[ashen perch]

Kaku clashed equally with Zoro, Zoro fought for a long time against Lucci, he still didnt go down after his big final attack

CP0 were also impressive

[vestal mural]

I’m still waiting to see if chopper gets a power up. His whole following gaban thing is cool

[digital spear]

Why does everyone say this like Zoro didnt get a billion lore and swords and coc in Wano

[vestal mural]

CP0 were very impressive. Luffy had to pull 2 power ups and barely won still

[pulsar path]

I mean wasn't it mostly in sbs tho

[keen quiver]

Barely won ???

What show was crimson watching

Crimson Lucci got one tapped

[vestal mural]

???

[keen quiver]

The moment luffy got remotely serious

[ashen perch]

I think we have different definitions of one tap

[vestal mural]

Bro wtf are you on lol

[keen quiver]

Someone sleeping between your attacks

[vestal mural]

Luffy almost died

[keen quiver]

Is beyond a one tap

[digital spear]

Zoro getting acoc? No

[ashen perch]

Lucci easily got up after the one attack anyways

[ashen perch]

but he also clashed equally with another attack of Luffy's so

[keen quiver]

This is a low diff

[pulsar path]

I meant lore

[vestal mural]

Bro i was talking about enies lobby

Lmao

[ashen perch]

oh lol

[keen quiver]

Who the actual fuck

[vestal mural]

Ok this makes more sense

[keen quiver]

Is talking about enies

Holy fuck

[digital spear]

No

[keen quiver]

Crimson in another dimension

😭

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-jump-space-gif-17582734628618770551

[ashen perch]

mid diff maybe

[pulsar path]

What lore did we get?

[vestal mural]

Arsal mentioned cp0 and it reminded me of how good enies lobby was

[digital spear]

Zoro meeting Kozaburo flashback

[ashen perch]

but regardless, Luffy is different and I didnt mention Luffy

[pulsar path]

Pssss that's like as long as kaido flashback

When Sanji got a whole actual arc of development

[ashen perch]

I mentioned Zoro, because he clashed equally with Kaku and took a hell of a long time to still not even finish off Lucci

which is by any angle, very impressive

[vestal mural]

Yea I was surprised by how long it took zoro in the lucci fight

[digital spear]

So did Zoro

[distant vine]

Oh yeah Rocks death was another L for the "D.'s smile when they die" people

[digital spear]

He smiled tho

[ashen perch]

well people have kinda outlined a smile on him

so he did smile as he was dying

[distant vine]

I guess flipping it horozontially I see it

[pulsar path]

Naaaa I gotta disagree..Zoro just wondered around lol he had some fights like with killer but still it was pretty superficial stuff while Sanji got actually lore. The Zoro lore was even more about the sword and the sword smith than it was even about Zoro

[ashen perch]

Zoro was the 2nd most spotlighted character in Wano, you'd be asking him to be #1 to still ask for more

[pulsar path]

He's the 2nd most spotlighted character in every arc

[ashen perch]

no he isnt

[pulsar path]

Other than whole cake

[digital spear]

How much does he really need tho

[distant vine]

I wish

[pulsar path]

I would have gave up the fights to get more specific lore about his family personally

[digital spear]

That makes it impossible to give him more spotlight than normal because he wont get more spotlight than Luffy

[distant vine]

He should have damaged Enel...

[ashen perch]

he wasnt in Egghead lol, not in WCI, not in Dressrosa, not in Punk Hazard, not FMI, not any of the Summit War arcs, wait where has he really been the 2nd most spotlighted character

Shell Town I suppose...

[vestal mural]

I wonder why oda never went into the zoro origin stuff in wano and opted to just drop it in the sbs or where ever

[ashen perch]

oh and Orange Town

[pulsar path]

I didn't want a spotlight I wanted development like sani

[digital spear]

Arsal realizing Zoro is just a background character

[ashen perch]

lmao

[distant vine]

Its not important to Zoro as a person

[digital spear]

His family isnt really important other than what we got

[distant vine]

Sanji's background is extremely important to him. Zoro is different

[ashen perch]

Its really just that, its the same with the Franky/Queen stuff

[pulsar path]

Egghead he literally is fighting the top viliian form the first half of the arc, punk hazard he has shine through out the whole arc, he cuts monet without haki and tells Luffy to stop goofing off

[digital spear]

Knowing about Pinzoro doesnt make Zoro a better character

[distant vine]

Youre not making me give up on Zoro vs Kaido so we can see him cry about his parents or something

[pulsar path]

Fmi he took out the boss in one shot

[vestal mural]

Yea that’s why I was confused why oda even talked about his lineage

[digital spear]

Would be ass if he was able to do that with Kaido

[distant vine]

Its trivia

[ashen perch]

Bonney and Luffy are the ones who actually beat the main antagonist, and she is the clear standout 2nd most spotlighted character there. Punk Hazard has Law as a clear 2nd. FMI has Shirahoshi.

I didnt say he didnt get moments in those arcs

I said he isnt the 2nd most spotlighted character there, he is in Wano

[pulsar path]

Bot really tho it doesn't change much at all we just know more

[distant vine]

Yeah that was the point. You get background fluff for Zoro. If you want his character development you look to the present

[digital spear]

You cant convince me his Egghead showing is better than his Wano

[vestal mural]

Zoro went from injuring kaido to stalling lucci

[distant vine]

Well, the stuff with the old man did add to his character. I think Oda struck a great balance

[pulsar path]

There is so much cherry picking. I don't even know where to start

If this is the case the Gillian's always have the second spot light

Period

[distant vine]

Oda was so afraid to have Zoro fight any Gorosei lmao

[digital spear]

Who is Gillian 😭

[ashen perch]

in Act 1 he is the 2nd main character, in Act 2 the two major plotlines are his and Luffy's, Act 3 has him block an attack from two emperors, scar Kaido, unlock CoC and ACoC, get close to mastering Enma, figure out that Shimotsuki was linked with Wano after all, beat King, etc etc. There's so much he gets in Wano lol

[pulsar path]

I mean I feel like everything in wano was elongated and I couldn't really tell ya if king or luccie is stronger. Lucci is awakend tho

Yet king has luniarian

[distant vine]

King drove Zoro to the brink and Lucci didnt

[pulsar path]

Eh didn't do it for me

[pulsar path]

But Zoro would be stronger by Lucci time anyways

[ashen perch]

I dont know man, it did it for a lot of people

[pulsar path]

Didn't for me and I'm a day one Zoro fan so they don't matter

[keen quiver]

I'm known for wanting wano to sink

So not a huge wano fan

[ashen perch]

he did everything Oda could have let him done, only short of killing Kaido (it was never happening)

[grand flower]

Zoro's arc in Wano is about heritage

[pulsar path]

In my dreams

Sanji and Zoro fight big mom

[muted marsh]

YES! I mapped it all out when I first watched it through (as I started as anime only) I stand by the statement Wano did more for Zoro than WCI did for Sanji, its actually insane.

[ashen perch]

Sanji is not fighting a woman

[vestal mural]

Do you think he’d consider her one

[ashen perch]

yeah he did

[vestal mural]

Buzz off I was just tryna be funny

[keen quiver]

Amnesia ?

[pulsar path]

Didn't he

[keen quiver]

Arsal needs the reread

[ashen perch]

see here is the thing

[muted marsh]

I mean Big Mom has more game and rizz than Sanji could ever hope for as well

[digital spear]

You didnt see the sbs about it?

[ashen perch]

you guys do not remember the SBS that addressed this

I do

[pulsar path]

Oh yeah oda clean up section

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

Lmao

[pulsar path]

Where he makes retcons cons

[keen quiver]

Save me oda

[ashen perch]

He only blocked an attack, he never attacks her back, you are the ones who need a reread

[pulsar path]

But than he says to Luffy

Why are you fighting I'm fighting

[wet condor]

Blocking an attack is permissible because she's ugly

[pulsar path]

Oda just covering his ass with that one

[wet condor]

Simple as

[ashen perch]

yes, he can block an attack, he blocks some attacks from Kalifa too

[keen quiver]

Arsal turned into an sbs merchant

For that one

[wet condor]

Did he really?

[pine scaffold]

Higuma killed 56 holy knights

[muted marsh]

Speedreaders everywhere smh

[keen quiver]

He says otherwise

[pulsar path]

Plus can Sanji fight big mom in private waeriors

[ashen perch]

what the fuck are you talking about Lisa, SBS is part of the story 😭

come on man

[keen quiver]

But we'll let him pull the sbs card

[digital spear]

LOL

[keen quiver]

For his safety

[digital spear]

No way bruh

[wet condor]

I just remember Kalifa beating the shit out of Sanji lol

[ashen perch]

yeah he blocked a kick from her I am pretty sure

[wet condor]

And him just taking it

[ashen perch]

dude

[pulsar path]

Lmao it's extremely accurate with this and Sanji 😂 had to restart cus I picked Sanji against women

[wet condor]

Well, he launched an attack at Big Mom basically even though it was a "block"

[muted marsh]

Wait 56... add 1 to each of "5" and "6" and... Good god Higuma!!!

[digital spear]

Private Warriors the secret canon One Piece game

[pulsar path]

It's extremely accurate with this I swear 😂

[keen quiver]

Pirate warriors 5 > manga

[wet condor]

Oda gave some leeway there because Big Mom is evil and hideous

And strong enough to handle it

[ashen perch]

too lazy to find the full page

[ashen perch]

but here Music

[wet condor]

I didn't doubt you lol

But thank you

[ashen perch]

its not about BM being hideous or evil, that doesnt matter to Sanji lol

[pulsar path]

Well okay even so how good would s fight with Sanji and Zoro fighting big mom and Sanji is just blocking. Evey attack and Zoro is counter attacking

[wet condor]

I know it doesn't matter to Sanji lol

I'm just saying the meta reason is that Big Mom is ugly

That's really why

And she's evil lol

[keen quiver]

Always funny to me how hard kid and law went only to get dumpstered immediately after

[ashen perch]

Kalifa is hot so eh

[vestal mural]

At least the anime did law right

Kidd just got massacred

[digital spear]

The thing is if Sanji was able to damage Big Mom he wouldve but thats why he had to bake a cake instead. So Zoro and Sanji vs Big Mom would be difficult because only Zoro would be allowed to damage her

[wet condor]

I could never see Oda having Sanji launch a diable jambe at a beautiful or even modest looking woman lol. And she's strong enough to handle t

[rose rune]

last one I'll do, I promise

[ashen perch]

just saying, the logic is that he can block an attack, what he can't do is attack back. Its not some retcon or something Oda made up in a SBS to cover up for something he did by mistake, its a consistent line of logic that Oda has been using there.

[keen quiver]

He kinda got clapped too tbh

[pulsar path]

But that's even better! Sanji blocking big mom and Zoro counter attacking and then working together ❤️

[ashen perch]

also Zoro too cannot attack BM

[keen quiver]

Why you defending this still arsal we moved on

[prisma yacht]

😭😭

[digital spear]

Well this is the first "one" I saw you doing

[vestal mural]

He def did but at least he went out with dignity. Kidd had his entire crew one shot lol

And they cried like babies

[ashen perch]

Lisa keep up with the chat, I was talking to music

[keen quiver]

At this point I'm about to go in on kid and law again. That's where the real blood of the matter is for me at this point.

[rose rune]

there's also these

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-good-garfield-hey-good-looking-hey-handsome-looking-in-the-mirror-gif-20294451

[digital spear]

Beuitful

[pulsar path]

This one

Gear 5th

Peak

[ashen perch]

( I didnt get to finish my line of thought here but its because he hates women)

[keen quiver]

I've always been confused why oda gave kid and law the spotlight only to snatch it that aggressively

[pulsar path]

If this was 2005 I would say you should just edit the newest or first vol of one-piece like this and upload them to some website

Torrent it out!

[digital spear]

That would make it less of a Zoro arc imo because it was a Sanji arc before and now Zoro just supports Sanji in his arc

[digital spear]

That would make it less of a Zoro arc imo because it was a Sanji arc before and now Zoro just supports Sanji in his arc

[pulsar path]

I feel like to just show the diff between Luffy and and them ?

[keen quiver]

I guess ? But he basically bashed their dreams agaisnt the rocks.

[vestal mural]

Tbf even the straw hats almost died in egghead. All three routes were riddled with major danger

[digital spear]

^

[grand rain]

They did their job

[rose rune]

now that you mention it... I don't really remember if we did download using torrent, or if it was direct downloads

[tough igloo]

yeah only difference was luffy had outside help to come save him unlike law & kid

[keen quiver]

Strawhats got the worst route

Let's not get it twisted

[grand rain]

Law will come back when it's time to learn what the Water part of his name is

[vestal mural]

I’m sure kid and law will return at some point

[keen quiver]

Kid in a body bag

[vestal mural]

I doubt they outlived their usefulness

[keen quiver]

Law for sure will return

[pulsar path]

Tbh I don't care if it's Zoro arc or not I just didnt feel like he felt as important as Sanji was tow hole cake and I truly wanted Luffy to beat big mom and personally prefer the idea of Zoro Sanji team up over kid and law who tbh I feel should have gotten there own fights some what

[ashen perch]

the SHs are getting their moment of defeat in Elbaf, its fine

[digital spear]

Zoro would say hes uncomfortable cutting an elder woman or some shit

[vestal mural]

And I wonder if we’ll ever see uroge do anything

[grand rain]

Kid literally saw heaven who knows if he's comin back

[muted hedge]

probably not

i have low expectations for Urogue

[digital spear]

Urouge...

[keen quiver]

Maybe one day when oda remembers he exists

[rose rune]

man, I love the smell of a newly washed apartment

[ashen perch]

I have high expectations for Urouge, Oda saved the best for the last

[pulsar path]

I did torrents for large amounts and direct for like chapters lol back in ye old pirating days

[vestal mural]

Uroge is the only supernova who hasn’t done shit, right?

[grand rain]

He's gonna be big when sky island shit happens

At this point yes I think so

[keen quiver]

Besides beat up a sweet commander ?

[grand rain]

He offscreened Snack

[ashen perch]

Still has not met Luffy, we still have very little knowledge about his origins and his goals or well literally anything, but he is going to be relevant when the Sky Island stuff comes back into play.

[digital spear]

Zoro and Sanji can team up in Elbaf or other arcs, they needed those solo fights in Wano

[keen quiver]

Yeah no

[pulsar path]

He lost to a sweet commander

[ashen perch]

which could be soon actually

[rose rune]

I mostly watched the anime back then, but I do remember at some point reading enies lobby when I was caught up

[vestal mural]

Yea but it was offscreen. Doesn’t count

[ashen perch]

if Heaven Realm is a sky island, as has been speculated, then Urouge is coming back there

[keen quiver]

I have no stocks on the mad monk

[grand rain]

That's where I caught up to the manga also

[vestal mural]

Bonney getting her stuff in egghead was beautiful and it gives me hope for uroge

[ashen perch]

yeah

[keen quiver]

Be funny as fuck if he's already dead

[rose rune]

[keen quiver]

Or just relegated to cover stories

[pulsar path]

The more I think of the match ups the more missed opportunities! Queen vs Franky!?!!

[tough igloo]

Urouge will be involved when BB is involved imo …he seems to be betting on Teach

[vestal mural]

Nah uroge is up on some sky island cooking big time

[muted hedge]

i don't know what Urogue would do tho

[ashen perch]

Bonney was excellent in Egghead, I have the same levels of hopes for Urouge soon enough. Well maybe not quite the same because its gonna be hard to be as involved as Bonney was in her arc, but still close enough

[keen quiver]

A blackbeard investor ? There is hope for him yet

[pulsar path]

Also kinda sad that Franky isn't stronger than queen 😞 he's like one of the few who didn't gets stronger than his parent yet

[digital spear]

I do

[ashen perch]

Urouge is a sky islander, possibly birkan, possibly linked to Enel, possibly linked to the Moon. There's many possibilities with him

some say he was the knight of Birka that Enel defeated

[vestal mural]

Nah he def won’t touch Bonney. Her getting a nika moment is where it peaked

[keen quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/monk-adrian-monk-analyzing-tony-shalhoub-gif-23263729

[ashen perch]

I think he could have been a priest with Enel, because I believe in the Gorosei/Imu parallel and Enel only has 4 priests instead of 5

[vestal mural]

Mad monk is such a good title in just realizing. Goes hard

[ashen perch]

but regardless, he is gonna play a role in some way relevant to the sky island stuff, so just wait and see

[vestal mural]

The what parallel

[keen quiver]

I don't have enough to speculate on big boy

So till he shows up again

[digital spear]

Did anyone realize Urouge has the dial fruit

[ashen perch]

Imu = Enel
Gorosei = Enel's Priests

[dense haven]

any shanks haters in chat?

[vestal mural]

Yea I got that. But why is it even a thing lol

[muted hedge]

parallels i guess

[pulsar path]

Real pirate title

Skypia can seem like a micro version of the whole story of one-piece

[ashen perch]

because of the parallels, Luffy is portrayed as the natural enemy of God in Skypiea and that is the title that belongs to the D and ofc Joyboy in relation to Imu

[digital spear]

God parallel

[pulsar path]

Ganfallian gods

[digital spear]

Arsal forgot Doffy is part of it too

[ashen perch]

No I didnt smh

[dense haven]

parallel parallel df would be the strongest fruit in the verse

[ashen perch]

I was focusing on Enel specifically

[muted hedge]

who is the parallel to Ganfall?

[digital spear]

Mars

[pulsar path]

Dito dito no mi?

[ashen perch]

Enel wiping out Angel Island and Imu wiping out Lulusia is also a very direct parallel

[digital spear]

Actually Davy

[pulsar path]

Xebec

[digital spear]

And Riku

[ashen perch]

yeah I was gonna say

it seems to be Davy

the original King of the World, the original Kami

[muted hedge]

true

[pulsar path]

I wonder if Davy was set to be king than Imu came up with this idea to have no kings on the throne

[ashen perch]

in Doflamingo's case its Riku yeah, his Domi Reversi is Parasite

[vestal mural]

In hindsight, oda pretty much almost spoiled the entire story during skypiea lol

[ashen perch]

the 16 Holy Bullets that were Doffy's final attack against Luffy is also a direct reference to Imu, 16 is a special number to the Celestial Dragons, and 16 = I-MU

[digital spear]

Imu: actually its bad to have a king the throne should be empty
Davy: Wait true
everyone leaves the throne
Imu: hehehehe
sits on the throne

[pulsar path]

Like dead ass 😂

Basicly they palaptineed that shit

[keen quiver]

Think Davy got that shit stolen because they went into hiding afterwards

[digital spear]

For sure that ass has been sitting for 800 yesrs

[ashen perch]

Oda is like a child who can't keep his big final saga plans to himself

so he did a miniature version of it all in Skypiea

[pulsar path]

Death sitting 😞

[ashen perch]

and then in Dressrosa

[digital spear]

Death sitting...

[vestal mural]

I swear that man musta been giggling like crazy as he wrote skypiea

[pulsar path]

I think skypia is more like the whole of the series while dressrossa I think mimics what ever arc holy.land will be

[ashen perch]

its funny that Zoro even fights a bald glasses man in Skypiea, Oda was being VERY specific there

right after the arc where he introduces a bald glasses man with a Kitetsu on him

[vestal mural]

Idk man, sounds more like oda ran out of ideas and is recycling old stuff now

[pulsar path]

Or would it be like indefinite sitting 😂

[pulsar path]

Yeah or it's like he's doing prototypes to see what works

[digital spear]

Satori was the first one to fall and they discovered those people had crazy powers through him (one of them being Sanji)

[pulsar path]

Cus I mean dressrossa is very much like alabasta

Even has brothers showing up

[ashen perch]

yupp

[digital spear]

Ermmm no its foreshadowing 🤓

[prisma yacht]

https://x.com/hhyygg0/status/1994680963692204177?t=EelSUnnwUhiVNQ8yLhx0CQ&s=19

hy9 (@hhyygg0)

X · Nov 29, 2025, 8:12 AM

[ashen perch]

I am still trying to figure out who will be Nusjuro's "Holly"

maybe he has a pet that we dont know about

[ashen perch]

I think its more like well

I guess we can call it foreshadowing

[vestal mural]

Honestly to me he’s just having fun with it. Telling the same story he always wanted in different ways. It’s cool

[digital spear]

So is Urouge Youtuber (the one to betray)

Jupeter*

[pulsar path]

I mean idk if I would go that far I would almost argue it's just reoccurring themes

[ashen perch]

Oda likes the idea of things mirroring and paralleling each other to reinforce similar ideas, that was very apparent with Dressrosa and Alabasta, but a lot of it is him definitely having fun with it

[shell scroll]

i know its some time away but i wanna cream when shamrock is introduced into the anime

[ashen perch]

he is the Burn Scar (not literally)

he does have a flame tattoo on his arm though, wonder whats up with that

actually both arms

[pulsar path]

In order to liberate you need a totalitarian to take down

[ornate tartan]

he’s him

[frozen aspen]

he already was in the anime

[pulsar path]

I wonder if urouge has silver Axe fruit

[frozen aspen]

[shell scroll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315247142591397919/1328752446649929860/ezgif-5-c7b8d05827.gif

[pulsar path]

I like silver Axe I would have like to see more of him he had a cool Intro

[ashen perch]

cant believe Oda didnt confirm the Higurashi theory smh, we gotta wait for an SBS I guess

[pulsar path]

Higursashi is the true villain

[vestal mural]

Yea it’s definitely thematic reinforcement. It works very well. Especially given the themes in OP

[ashen perch]

yeah for sure

[pulsar path]

Like I might be just giving oda a pass but I feel like with what he trying to say unlike some other manga you can't really just go crazy not to say other shonen don't have anything to say but oda has a hard specific message encoded into his work

[vestal mural]

One thing I love that we keep seeing is the sun stuff. Otohime saying she wanted her people to see the sun, shirahoshi finally seeing it, luffy saying let the sun shine in skypiea as he spreads the clouds open, etc. it’s just so good

Sun pirates

[pulsar path]

But I feel the freedom in the way he can write one-piece isnt as free as other mangas in some ways

[shell scroll]

feel like i can formulate a good reason as to why loki killed harald after this chap

[hazy turret]

:/

[ashen perch]

The idea was that Kyo isnt actually a real person, its Higurashi, and the name is a reference to her laugh being "ni-kyo-kyo-kyo". We saw Kyo transform into a bigger person from a smaller person in his intro and we saw him touch Shiki's face, a face that Higurashi later takes when she demonstrates her powers to Orochi

[prisma yacht]

:< poor soul

[pulsar path]

I did not catch that but I do remember GLR or tekking mentioning this

That it could be her

[shell scroll]

let me make it clear not cuz of shamrock but i wanna hear kenjiro again

[pulsar path]

They have the same voice actor?

[ashen perch]

a user called Lemon here started the theory, it must have reached them somehow

[vestal mural]

I think you feel this way because OP has run long enough and had time to build up its message. Whereas other shonen don’t let the message stew long enough even when they have something to say. Naruto is close to op imo

[ornate tartan]

https://x.com/cpoverl/status/1994731835423952958?s=46

ケミカルプラント(CHEMICALPLANT) (@CpOverl)

🍶👒☘️

X · Nov 29, 2025, 11:35 AM

[vestal mural]

Who’s kyo again?

[hazy turret]

kyo mama

[prisma yacht]

Omgg

[ashen perch]

the dude with the X mark sunglasses, in Xebec's crew

[vestal mural]

Didn’t some yters use to come here and steal theories from #manga-theories

[ashen perch]

this guy

[ashen perch]

yea lol, still happens

[vestal mural]

Ohhhhhh

[pulsar path]

Eh even with the longer ones they don't really have this much build up and continuing themes. I feel like a lot them cant continue it every arc and gotta do massive plot twist changes to keep the manga interesting or change things plots or even manga just to even keep them selfs from being bored( Mr Togashi )

I think we are just lucky oda is as passionate about his work as we are

[ashen perch]

accidentally turned the page and literally got jumpscared by her beauty, wow

[pulsar path]

Like I love dragon ball but you can tell Toriyama didn't care was much as the fans 😂

Oda showed is that even in his interview with him

[ashen perch]

can't blame you for forgetting him lmao, Oda did basically nothing with him after this

[vestal mural]

I can’t keep this up without some os spoilers lol. But yea oda is definitely special. There’s a reason OP is as big as it is and people love it with so much passion.

[pulsar path]

I always liked her eye brows

[vestal mural]

Yea I thought he had a very cool design when he appeared. But then he just vanished lol

Wait kyo is the same silver axe from TB, right?

[pulsar path]

Oh yeah Oda had to retcon this to make since why it has eyes 😂

[alpine trench]

Yeah that’s Silver Axe

[pulsar path]

Silver Axe is on thriller bark?

[ashen perch]

yea, GV has a bunch of these characters that do nothing but they left an impression just by their cool designs, Oda's always great at that

[vestal mural]

Wasn’t his body there? Or was he just mentioned

[ashen perch]

its not confirmed but probably

[pulsar path]

I don't think so but I could be wrong

[ashen perch]

theres a guy with a big axe in there

[pulsar path]

We thought that genzu was silver axe

I thought

[rich hornet]

Kyo was obligatory because Sengoku mentioned him. Sometimes Oda plants more seeds than he needs to harvest

[pulsar path]

I didn't spell his name right lol

[ashen perch]

he doesnt necessarily have the same body type as Silver Axe, but he has an axe nonetheless

[pulsar path]

That's a good farmer

[ashen perch]

so who knows

[vestal mural]

You mean ganzui? lol

[pulsar path]

Genzui!

Booger booger man

[vestal mural]

I mean his title card literally says future silver axe

[ashen perch]

oh yea Kyo is 100% Silver Axe, I meant that the zombie from TB isnt confirmed to be him

[vestal mural]

And yea you’re right ill, I think

[vestal mural]

Ah

Glad I was not tripping about the body from TB

[ashen perch]

yeah, we did see a guy with a big axe there atleast, but he is in a lot of armor so we cant see his face

[pulsar path]

Maybe some how Shiki got silver axe to join his and they have a guy name copper sword? Copper eeel?

Idk what a good copper name would be lol

[ashen perch]

it would be bronze something

[pulsar path]

Bronze fonz

[ashen perch]

Golden Lion, Silver Axe, Bronze Sword idk

[pulsar path]

Ayyyyy

bronze rooster

[vestal mural]

Honestly even tho we’ll probably never see these characters again, it’s great to have them cameo

Especially since a lot of them were mentioned long ago

[pulsar path]

I do feel like Kyo will have some importance

He had a very interesting intro

[vestal mural]

Found arsal’s reddit acc

[pulsar path]

Shiki oda already knows we fans of

[vestal mural]

Shiki got the movie. He’s gone forever now

[digital spear]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-shoe-bart-wolf-wolf-call-hubba-hubba-bart-simpson-gif-26890075

[dense haven]

the fb is over can we like never mention shiki again

[digital spear]

[pine scaffold]

How would a meeting between Rocks and Shanks go

[vestal mural]

I honestly love how we’re learning so much lore thanks to harald’s timeline

[digital spear]

Uhhh hi

Hi

[vestal mural]

They’ll just get drunk

[dense haven]

sb do you like shanks

[pine scaffold]

This would be so trippy, it's like BB and Shanks being friends

[vernal ravine]

shiki is gonna appear again 100% he had a plan

[pine ridge]

"you hate garling?"
"yeah"
"oh me too, let's kiss"

[pine scaffold]

not interested

I dont hate him

but not interested

[vestal mural]

I’m starting to like him now that he actually has smth behind him

[pulsar path]

I do think we will get a retconned shiki movie

[vestal mural]

I don’t see how shiki can be relevant at this point tho

[pulsar path]

I wish the og concept and story tho was a thing

Shiki can always be relevant

[ashen perch]

that Shiki movie is basically canon, if you want more Shiki after GV, that is it

[hazy turret]

how come you never say this about older big mom hm?

[pine scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-laugh-big-mom-charlotte-linlin-mamamama-yonko-gif-15743547

[ashen perch]

I think she looks cool now

I love her design

[pulsar path]

I think people are going to continue to ask oda about Shiki returning till he has too like elbaf

[hazy turret]

smh this is why fed is a bigger bm fan than you!

[pulsar path]

We already know the man breaks under our pressure

[ashen perch]

fwiw, I think 48 year old BM is still hot

but the current version is more menacing and cool

[vestal mural]

Arsal. Do you think mihawk will do anything relevant or have anything to add to his character?

Because I’ve given up

[ashen perch]

well theres the naval hunter thing we learnt about recently

[hazy turret]

heh more like navel hunter

[ashen perch]

its tough to say, because Oda could take his relevance straight to the maximum by linking him with Imu

[vestal mural]

Because of the eyes?

[ashen perch]

but he can also just be a guy who hunted Marines

[pulsar path]

She looks ripped

[ashen perch]

yeah and his name, Dracula is the son of the devil

[vernal ravine]

son of nerona family probably

[digital spear]

Next chapter its revealed Mihawk was a Holy Knight alongside Shanks and Shamrock, and when Shanks leaves Mariejois Mihawk will do too

[pulsar path]

At this point

[vestal mural]

I mean, a connection to imu would explain his friendship with shanks

[pulsar path]

He could be a holy knight

Any one could

[ashen perch]

Mihawk is Nusjuro's student, it will be revealed next chapter

[vestal mural]

Yea that won’t do anything for me lol

[ashen perch]

he was the Koushiro to Mihawk's Zoro

[vestal mural]

My only wish now is for buggy to find captain John’s treasure. Don’t let me down oda

[ashen perch]

which brings me to this cursed image I saw the other day

[pulsar path]

I was just thinking this could be how they met but wasn't Mihawk at Rogers execution? That doesnt really mean it could t still happen

[ashen perch]

If you remove all his hair, its just Nusjuro really

[digital spear]

Hype

[stone terrace]

[dense haven]

so you think current shiki is thriller bark luffy level

[vestal mural]

Was him being there canon or just a movie thing?

[ashen perch]

Oda wrote it, go argue with him

[runic dock]

Stop saying this it’s not true

You people are insane

[ashen perch]

Oda wrote all of Strong World, that was the story he had for him

[pulsar path]

Canon

[runic dock]

It’s not canon stop coping holy shit

Leave it

[ashen perch]

I didnt say it is, I am saying you can basically treat it as such

[runic dock]

Nobody ever thinks any one piece movie is ever canon the only reason you think so is literally for your personal agenda

[ashen perch]

its the big story that Oda had in mind for Shiki, he wrote all of it, every single bit came from his mind.

[grand flower]

Bibiddy bobiddy buu

[runic dock]

You cannot no

[digital spear]

Maybe some CDs watched the execution

[runic dock]

The manga is still ongoing

You’re asking people to taint their experience with non canon info

[ashen perch]

you know what Oda should do with Shiki

[vestal mural]

Seeing him with all the others here kinda makes me think he will be relevant somehow. Everyone else is very relevant and now he’s with croco

[runic dock]

Nothing you suggest surely

[digital spear]

Shiki will save Kid

[ashen perch]

have Loki kill him during his adventures on the seas

[pulsar path]

I'm more confused why Mihawk is picking on a lil kid like shanks now lol

[grand flower]

What non canon info

[digital spear]

Then the movie isnt canon

[runic dock]

The movie

Goddamn it man

[grand flower]

No what’s the info

[runic dock]

The movie

[grand flower]

What are y’all talking about

[runic dock]

The Shiki movie

[grand flower]

What about it

[ornate tartan]

shiki is finished

[dense haven]

really?mihawk spawn camping east blue didn't give it away?

[pulsar path]

The truth is .....only movies before strong world are canon

[digital spear]

Shiki will save his son Killer

and train Kid

[grand flower]

Yes

[runic dock]

Arsal is telling people to just act like it’s canon because his wise ass knows for sure no more Shiki in the story

[grand flower]

Yes

[ashen perch]

yeah I know its not canon, theres things directly in conflict with the story that make it non canon, I am just saying you can kinda treat it as such if Shiki doesnt appear again

[runic dock]

It’s honestly pathetic

[grand flower]

Lmao

[pulsar path]

Spawn camping is crazy hit that shit right on the nail

[vestal mural]

Why are you so passionate about this earl

[ashen perch]

but if Oda wants to give Shiki a real canon ending, theres that path I am suggesting

[pulsar path]

Yeah Luffy beating a dude some say was as strong as Roger

[vernal ravine]

movie is not canon but his meeting with shirohige and his intentions to avenge roger are so

[pulsar path]

Hey than struggling with kaido

[vernal ravine]

he is coming again

[runic dock]

It’s just annoying , nobody acts like this about any character

What did Shiki do to yall I swear

[ashen perch]

Shiki is never canonically said to be as strong as Roger, thats more databook drivel

well even non canonically

but you get the idea

[vestal mural]

The shiki movie has the best bikini nami. People got hypnotized

[runic dock]

Me at a party randomly to people who aren’t one piece fans

[pulsar path]

Didn't he beat Garp and sengoku

Or at least it took both of them?

That's like rocks level

[ashen perch]

no he fought them, but Sengoku was ready to do it alone

[runic dock]

No , he fought them to marinefords ruin

But it took them to do it

[tough igloo]

funny how they probably didn’t even know that their former captain son was right behind them 😂

[pulsar path]

He got away tho right

[ashen perch]

nah, he was imprisoned

[runic dock]

he was sent to impel down after that I think , Rogers death affected him strongly

[pine ridge]

and then he escaped

[ashen perch]

Luffy beat Shiki, thats the story Oda wrote, it did happen according to Oda's vision even if it was non canon

[ornate tartan]

i doubt they would care much

especially shiki

he didn’t give af about rocks

[runic dock]

Yeah , plus luffy also broke tons of people out of impel down

He was probably one of them if not escaped earlier

[ashen perch]

there are reasons for it, and I think its reasonable because of that

[iron oriole]

He escaped earlier

[runic dock]

It’s not canon just please be quiet

Nobody cares

[pulsar path]

Earl would you want a retcon/new cannon shiki movie in the style of how dragon ball retcon a movie character?

[tawny panther]

i used to think/hope that at some point WB was able to put 2 & 2 together and realize he’s rocks son but after what i saw him do at god valley …he might not have lol

[pulsar path]

Maybe after series?

[runic dock]

No , just show his story concluding in the manga

Even one page

Right now it’s not concluded

We just gotta guess

[ashen perch]

Shiki lost both his legs, radically changed his fighting style, got brain damage from the helm that was stuck in his head, and finally lost to a lightning enanced battle axe from Luffy while he was traumatized by storms that Shiki lost the Edd War to. Those are the reasons Oda came up with to logically have Shiki lose to Luffy.

[runic dock]

So this is not satisfying and neither is any movie

It’s a pathetic cop out to act like it is

[pulsar path]

Would you relly happy with his plans never coming to fruitation?!?!

[runic dock]

Yes arsal it’s a pathetic cop out

[runic dock]

That can happen when he reappears in the manga

[pulsar path]

People said that he only lost the ed war cus of storms

[runic dock]

Or is shown to fail in the manga

So far he’s out and about

[dense haven]

what if he becomes kids new voce captain

[ashen perch]

the plans existed for Strong World

[runic dock]

Regardless things changed

[tawny panther]

*Killer new captain

[pulsar path]

Why can't kid be his vice?!?!

[ashen perch]

how did they change?

[runic dock]

It’s not in the manga dude

And it’s a non canon movie

Nobody said it’s canon

[ornate tartan]

kid will never be a vice captain

that’s just not who he is

[runic dock]

He wanted to include Shiki in the manga from the start

[ashen perch]

Chapter 0 is still a tie in to the movie itself, thats its whole point

[runic dock]

Not movie shit

[pulsar path]

I mean you need a ship to be captain

[runic dock]

Movie plot he made as a fine if you really want him in the movie here’s a plot

It doesn’t mean it’s canon

Let it go dude

[ashen perch]

I am not saying Shiki can't return, but you have to let go of the plans

[ornate tartan]

that’s true but if Kid ever does return to the series he isn’t gonna come back just to be someone’s lackey

[ashen perch]

those arent coming to fruition, its been 2 years since 20 years passed

[runic dock]

That’s fine too idc about his plans , I just wanna see shiki’s character concluded in the manga like he shows or concludes any other character in the manga

[pulsar path]

Tbh oda time lines have been screwy

[runic dock]

Even wang zhi got concluded in the Manga tho offscreen

[ashen perch]

well you should like my Loki idea then smh

I mean it seriously, I think its a good way to write him out

[runic dock]

Loki fighting him?

It’s possible

But then we gotta go past Harald incident

In the fb

[ashen perch]

well we can get to it later too, but the idea is basically to have Loki kill him and write him out of the story forever.

[runic dock]

Lmfao you say it so definitively , you just wanna get rid of him

[iron oriole]

He's dead - Oda probably

[runic dock]

FOREVER

[dense haven]

you wouldn't like it if shiki gets wang zhied

[runic dock]

not even a flashback panel no more!!

[woeful moth]

or Shanks eliminated him... he took everything Shiki had after Shiki cameback... a good conclusion from being angry because Roger died... basically getting eliminated by his apprentice

[runic dock]

Offscreened? Ehhh , I’d like at least a panel

[ashen perch]

idk, I feel like him returning in the present is just not... viable

[runic dock]

Lmao

[runic dock]

I could see that too

We gotta extend this flashback then

Brb calling oda

[ornate tartan]

everything in the story connects to him

[tawny panther]

I wonder if Teach killed Wang Zhi or just locked him up like Moria & Garp..

[dense haven]

shanks is HIM

[woeful moth]

He was basically the 4th yonko before Shanks... so... it fits that the one that basically replaced him is the one that eliminated him

[ashen perch]

I was thinking Loki kills Shiki to reach a near emperor level status as a pirate and then Shanks stops him and becomes an Emperor

but we can skip the Loki part of it too I guess

[runic dock]

I guess it’s true we don’t actually know , I figured he killed him

[long basin]

the destined child, fr

[tawny panther]

yeah i could see them killing Wang and taking his DF if he had one but i can also see Teach just locking him up in the cells

[runic dock]

That can also work eitherway

[runic dock]

He’d wanna use him for something if he locked him up , I can’t think what he would want to use him for , especially if he actually found it it’s lowkey because of wang that his dad died

[dense haven]

but you just said current shiki is moria level

[keen quiver]

Teach likely just killed Wang

[ashen perch]

Oda did that

[woeful moth]

my theory is he is the one that had the fruit that Catarina Devon has now... so they killed him to get his fruit

[runic dock]

Just a movie

[iron oriole]

I feel like throughout the Rocks/GV flashback, Oda was giving Shiki very minimal stuff because of how he (iirc) dislikes the fruit choice used for Shiki, so idk if we'd see more

[woeful moth]

it fits him being a sly fcker and trickster too

[runic dock]

Having an enemy that’s selfish have the float fruit is lowkey smart , they’re not gonna be burdened by helping anybody with it

Can keep it simple with that fruit

[iron oriole]

[dense haven]

we have much crazier df than shikis rn it makes no sense oda drawing the line at floating

[iron oriole]

Personally don't think we see Shiki again

[runic dock]

Yeah that was a thing from a long time ago

I doubt he has the same worries anymore

He doesn’t care about float fruit anymore clearly

[runic dock]

Yeah that would just be sloppy , one of the biggest names from rocks era just randomly disappears is absolutely lame

When we even see fucking Don krieg come back

Give the mitherfucker a conclusion dude

[iron oriole]

Ehh he's kinda irrelevant now

[runic dock]

Doesn’t matter

[iron oriole]

Unless you make him the MMBF

[runic dock]

Give your story character a conclusion

Oda does it most times no matter how minimal

Can be an offscreen blurb or a panel or a cameo but he still does it , Shiki just never ever being mentioned or seen again just feels unnatural

[grand flower]

I mean he could have just died

[runic dock]

Yall forcing some shit Oda doesn’t even usually do himself

[grand flower]

I get what you mean but

[runic dock]

And so? We need to know this

[wintry lotus]

Even if its non canon, the movie is essentially his conclusion. Shiki only really exists because of the movie. His presence on God Valley is more fan service than anything substantial I think

[runic dock]

Not have it ever be not mentioned again

[grand flower]

I think him being a pirate with the temperament he has makes it an easy conclusion to reach

[runic dock]

He’s too prominent of that era

It’s sloppy writing what you guys want

[iron oriole]

Ehh agree to disagree, idt Shiki is important enough for us to see him again... couldn't care less if Oda just says "he's dead" or whatever

Honestly be glad we got him during the flashback

[distant vine]

You guys need to watch Strong World lmao

[runic dock]

No it’s not , stop headcanoning , it’s a movie , they’re never canon , can I just do this with any other one piece movie cause I like a character there or feel like it? Is that how it works?

[wintry lotus]

He is in like. 10 panels of the main series. He doesnt really require a conclusion. If you JUST read one piece on its own and didnt take in any spinoff media you would not even care that he exists

[golden valley]

Didn’t people say this about Gaban lmao

[runic dock]

That’s your opinion but that’s not how it works

[ashen perch]

I think Oda will feel obligated to give him a conclusion in the manga, like him dying in the past

[grand flower]

I agree you have a point that Shiki oughta have a conclusion but I also think it is okay for some characters not to have one, I think that kind of uncertainty after a story ends adds a sense of whimsy cause you can imagine where that character ended up

It’s like a way for the story to live on after it’s finale, I think something like one piece deserves that because it’s given us so much material to run our imaginations on

[distant vine]

I used to talk like that before I watched the film. The semi-canocity still bothers me but Shiki got his conclusion in the Oda-written work. Gotta make of that what you will

[golden valley]

I literally remember debating about Gaban being a character that Oda would eventually introduce

And people were saying they doubt it

[wintry lotus]

No, its because Oda wrote the movie and created Shiki as a character for the movie. Youre being WAYY too aggressive about this man

[distant vine]

Its like asking for Uta to get a conclusion in the manga

[dense haven]

sbs425: shiki died on the way back to his home planet

[pulsar path]

I'm pretty sure shiki was mentioned way before

[wintry lotus]

Exactly

[runic dock]

Mainly want it for Shiki because now everyone’s mom is now assuming we can just take the movie as canon for some reason lmao

[runic dock]

That doesn’t mean it’s canon

[grand flower]

Oda wanted to include Shiki in the conversation between shanks and Whitebeard but didn’t wanna confuse readers

Oda had Shiki planned before the movie

[distant vine]

Well its not a canon movie but its what Oda intended for the character

[grand flower]

The movie just gave him a chance to show Shiki and that gave him the chance to start name dropping Shiki in the manga

[pulsar path]

Whenever any one brings up the movie the first thing usually said is it's Bs that Luffy beat shiki in any capacity at this time

[golden valley]

Shiki did probably die and thats not even a no-disrespect thing, but it’s just such an Oda move.

[runic dock]

It’s not the same , she’s a silhouette in the manga lmfao not even a character

This is disingenuous as fuck

[ashen perch]

The movie is the story that Oda did intend to write for him

[distant vine]

Shiki's appearances in the manga serve Strong World, not the other way around

[golden valley]

But earl is right, we NEED to know

[runic dock]

This yeah

[wintry lotus]

Oda wants the movie to be able to be "forced" into being considered canon, he's not going to give shiki a second ending

[pulsar path]

So than we should probably take the same for uta?

[runic dock]

I wanna see or hear about it , I’m not satisfied with probably

[wintry lotus]

The most we're getting out of him is an sbs answer

[ashen perch]

Need is a strong word because It wouldn't bother me if we didn't

[runic dock]

He said BUT IF YOU DO THAT, ITS GONNA SUCK

[wintry lotus]

Strong word.. wait.. say that again...

[runic dock]

he’s not begging anyone to to do that

Or making anyone do it

He said if you really wanna do it cause you’re weird go ahead

But it’ll be weird

[golden valley]

This just confirms Shiki existed before thr movie

Bar for bar

[ashen perch]

I'll simply treat the movie as the story Oda intended for him if Shiki didn't get a manga conclusion

[runic dock]

People can’t read the same things they post apparently

[dense haven]

https://tenor.com/bjJV6tEme4s.gif

[iron oriole]

Also this, if Shiki desperately needs a conclusion or whatever then where is Uta's

[grand flower]

It’s kinda symbiotic I think. Oda was worried that a lack of elaboration on Shiki would confuse readers

So I think the movie being made allowed him to have his cake and eat it too. He could cameo Shiki by name in the manga cause fans had the movie to elaborate on who he was

[wintry lotus]

But he said that you CAN, if you want to. It would be unnecessarily confusing to give him a second ending or a big manga return. The most we're gonna get is an sbs answer or a random throwaway line

[grand flower]

And naturally wanting elaboration would drive fans to watch the movie

Win win situation

[runic dock]

And it’ll be off and disconnected if you do that, which isn’t how oda writes one piece

Everything is connected

Goddamn man

[golden valley]

Oda literally said if not for the movie, Shiki wouldn’t have had the float float fruit

[runic dock]

He said that

In what you posted

[distant vine]

I would like Shiki's conclusion to be in the manga as well, but that would just be a canon Strong World @runic dock

[pulsar path]

Tbh I would like for oda to deliver for both there characters if they are going to be included in the canon

[golden valley]

Shiki did not exist bc of the movie

So throw that narrative out

[runic dock]

According to oda , that’s not actually true , he said you could if you want , but if you do it’ll be highly disconnected from the story , and oda does everything connected , he’s telling you it’s a flawed way to see it

[ashen perch]

I think the movie was probably an arc Oda intended to do tbh

[golden valley]

Same

[grand flower]

I do feel you on wanting it when it’s a character you like fs and people write Shiki off far too much. Oda is answering SBS questions about him and including references to strong world. Dismissing it is craxy

[runic dock]

No he was forced to make it

[pulsar path]

I mean the of story

Og

[distant vine]

I think if he had the chance he would have crammed Strong World into Pre TS somewhere yeah

[runic dock]

He was forced to make that using Shiki

[pulsar path]

Had lots. Canon story about NamI

[ashen perch]

He wasn't lol

He made the choice

[golden valley]

He loved the story of strong world lol

[runic dock]

Thank you lmao somebody with some sense

[distant vine]

Forced to put Shiki in the movie? I dont believe that

[pulsar path]

Basicly the whole original movie was thrown out because it was before demon slayer started making canon movies

[grand flower]

Yeah it’s a very diplomatic way of saying it’s non-canon

[runic dock]

That doesn’t mean he wasn’t forced to make it

[grand flower]

Oda directly saying anime material is non-canon is Highkey a bad look

[golden valley]

Nothing said he was tho

[grand flower]

That could cause some fans to say “oh I don’t have to bother”

[distant vine]

Its the non canon official ending for the canon character

[runic dock]

He said he was

[distant vine]

They already do ngl

[grand flower]

Official is a little misleading here

[golden valley]

Oh? When was this

[iron oriole]

I thought it was because teenage boys want to see cool strong anime guys fighting?

[muted hedge]

did we ever get confirmation on who the lurking legend was about?

[grand flower]

Filler is official material

[ashen perch]

Oda has never said anything about being forced lol, only with Stampede he somewhat implied that he was forced

[distant vine]

Is it? Its all he's got, and its what Oda written for him

[grand flower]

It’s put out by the legal publisher

[pulsar path]

I though he said it was too sad or real and also that canon material inna movie was a bad idea .idk man "oda " says alot 😂

[grand flower]

Technically everything put out by Toei, shuiesha and shonen jump is official

[vestal mural]

He didn’t write stampede, did he?

[distant vine]

Canon material being in non canon movies is probably a bad choice

[grand flower]

Official kinda has a connotation of “final” or “declarative” or “definitive”

Does that make sense?

Strong World is an official conclusion for Shiki, but it’s filler

[distant vine]

I think Shiki probably should have been non canon from the start. Too much to bother with

[golden valley]

Film Red is an example of that

[grand flower]

Idk if Shiki will come back in present

[distant vine]

Or maybe it being a Post TS arc would be best?

[golden valley]

Which is why I hate it

[iron oriole]

Yesn't, its good for the movie as it attracts more people to it... but imo bad for the overall story as they add even more questions

[pulsar path]

Trying to explain to some one how the anime isn't canon or something happening in the anime didn't happen in the manga just bewilders most people

[grand flower]

Mmmm

Idk tbh

Film Red seems more a demo of canon material

[ashen perch]

He didn't, but he is always consulted and he said a movie like Stampede wouldn't be made if it wasn't the 20th anniversary, he only approved the things in it like Laugh Tale's Eternal Pose because he was convinced it had to be a major event

[grand flower]

It’s not the canon material

[distant vine]

The point Im trying to get at is this wont happen because Oda wants you to watch Strong World lol

[runic dock]

Sengoku mentions Shiki with a float fruit in the manga in chapter 530 , oda also said he never planned to make a movie about him

This is a known fact

[elder leaf]

I sure hope, cool ass character, but Oda makes me think otherwise

[grand flower]

That’s a big possibility yeah

Same reason Oda wouldn’t just say movies are non-canon

[distant vine]

Its what he wrote for Shiki, so even though its non canon thats the cards youre dealt

[golden valley]

This doesn’t mean forced…

[grand flower]

Oda is clearly very appreciative of the anime

[ashen perch]

Not a word there implies forced

[grand flower]

I think he prefers not to do anything that could diminish its success

[runic dock]

He was literally already set up in the manga , they forced his hand , this is well documented

[muted hedge]

didn't Sengoku say in chapter 0 that Shiki was his to deal with

[ashen perch]

He did yea

[muted hedge]

and Garp said that he'd let Sengoku take all the credit, lol

[distant vine]

Name dropping Figarland in the movie was crazy ngl

We didnt even know about Garling yet

[iron oriole]

Yeah was wild

[grand flower]

Garp is a generational shit talker

[golden valley]

It could just mean that “I didn’t really think of the idea of making Shiki into a movie, but decided it could work”

[grand flower]

You can tell he wasn’t even trying in that moment

[runic dock]

No they asked him to use that character

[grand flower]

Just sincere but still

[runic dock]

It’s documented

[grand flower]

Brutal line

[wintry lotus]

Im not saying strong world is canon I just dont think that oda is going to write over the movie because he wants fans to be able to consider it canon if they want. Just like Oda isn't going to write a chapter that says "oh by the way, baron omatsuri never exists hahahaha" because he knoes thay some fans really love movie 6

[iron oriole]

Sengoku thinking he's him

[golden valley]

Ok citation where

[wintry lotus]

Show the documentation

[distant vine]

Toei execs ripped up Oda's plan for Manga Strong World and made him write a movie script

[golden valley]

Cuz ur scan doesn’t say that

[distant vine]

😢

[ashen perch]

Well we knew he had Celestial connections already atleast, because of his meeting with the Gorosei

[muted hedge]

definitely up there

[distant vine]

Omg imagine if we got Nami backstory in Strong World

The discourse

[ashen perch]

Too early for Nerona Mi and Oda understood that

[distant vine]

Hold on

Luffy, Zoro and Nami vs Imu?

[ashen perch]

Sure

[distant vine]

🔥

[ashen perch]

I wasn't thinking about Zoro personally tho

[proud pivot]

Is Nami here to die or something

[iron oriole]

Oda simply understood that his main audience doesn't care for that plot & wants to see strong people fighting strong people

[ashen perch]

Just Luffy and Nami, similar to Enel's defeat

Parallels y'know

[runic dock]

https://gamerant.com/one-piece-sbs-vol-109-oda-golden-lion-shiki-canon-fuwa-fuwa-no-mi/

[distant vine]

I think the best ending would have been Strong World is the one and only canon film

[runic dock]

Nah

That’s a horrible ending

[distant vine]

Second best ending is its non canon completely

[runic dock]

Smh glad Oda is the author and captain here

And not yall

[muted hedge]

i think the next movie we get will have God Knights in it

[distant vine]

What do you want then

😭

[runic dock]

Lmfao the normal thing

You know?

[distant vine]

You want Oda to ignore the movie HE WROTE and make another ending for Shiki?

[runic dock]

Read the fucking manga to find out

Goddamn dude

You’re so thick headed about it

[distant vine]

Ok, what if Strong World was a canon manga arc, would you take that?

[ashen perch]

Like I said, he should just kill him off

[runic dock]

Good thing it’s not up to yall

[distant vine]

My head has a normal thickness

[runic dock]

Can you
Please stop saying strong world to me

It’s annoying

[distant vine]

????

[runic dock]

I’m not even talking about it

[proud pivot]

Strong world strong world

[runic dock]

I’m talking about Shiki being in the manga

Stop talking about the movie it’s not canon

[ashen perch]

The world that is Strong

[runic dock]

Delete it from your mind

[wintry lotus]

This article contains the exact same piece of information which we just established Does Not At All Say that Oda was forced to use Shiki for strong world. The only thing the word "forced" is used for is his Devil Fruit 😭

[iron oriole]

One Piece Film Blue & its about Buggy & how he was always chased by the HKs

[runic dock]

Only a few of you interpret it that way

[vestal mural]

Never seen earl this irritated before lol. Wild

[golden valley]

This is literally just them going based off the SBS volume and beyond the float float fruit, which wasn’t intended originally doesn’t mean Shiki’s character wasn’t too

[proud pivot]

Fuck one piece film ___

[ashen perch]

He's a Real Shiki Shooter here

[distant vine]

Im trying to make a good deal and Im getting yelled at...

[runic dock]

Because since wano this shit has been non stop annoying , every time we see Shiki people write him off , SINCE WANO, and then he keeps reappearing in the manga and everyone always acts like THAT time is the last time we see him even tho he just ends up reappearing later lmao

[woeful moth]

yeah earl is a pretty stern believer of Shiki

[ashen perch]

Same like I think death in a flashback is the best possible conclusion to him

[alpine trench]

strong world is very good guys

i like strong world

[golden valley]

Never trust a fan who says “I don’t think this character will return”

They’re most likely wrong

[woeful moth]

i love strong world

[alpine trench]

enel will never return

[distant vine]

Next movie will reveal a new part of Joyboy and Imu's past

[runic dock]

People always think the last panel we see of Shiki is his final panel and they’re always wrong lol

[golden valley]

Big Mom believers don’t actually have a say in Shiki returning debates btw

[runic dock]

He just always keeps reappearing

Even the spoiler text didn’t mention him

[vestal mural]

I want his fruit to be mad relevant in some random way lol

[ashen perch]

Maybe Loki killed him, maybe Shanks killed him, maybe BB killed him, who knows. But death in a flashback is the most uh.... Smooth? Way to remove him from the story

[muted hedge]

i love that the creatures from Strong World came back in Elbaph, even though... they got gutted by Gunko

[iron oriole]

Because irrelevant

[alpine trench]

only after his death maybe and bro isnt dead so

[runic dock]

regardless , then people started attacking me cause of that spoiler text

[alpine trench]

i dont care about shiki so i'm fine if he doesnt return

[distant vine]

I watched a movie and was satisfied by it

[muted hedge]

maybe the God Knights were sent to kill him since he had information, too much information