also-manga

[golden valley]

Oda switches up the legends

[sage temple]

[hot cairn]

It wasn’t my theory

[sage temple]

Yeah Oda has only done that with Loki so far

[sage temple]

Oh shoot

I meant

Legend

Not theory

My fault

https://tenor.com/view/baby-meme-viral-new-meme-laughing-baby-gif-15204541952942006498

[trim lily]

i mean your legend isnt really there either

[sage temple]

It is though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnstokkr

Only the worthy one pulled it out

Loki is worthy enough to use the One Piece Mjolnir

Loki should be worthy enough to use the One Piece Gram

Logically

[trim lily]

but wasnt your connection supposed to be with sigurd

[stone terrace]

This is like a worse momotaro

[ruby moat]

The beautiful thing about mythology and religion is you can make connections from it to basically anytginf

[sage temple]

The Sigurd that wields that sword and the Sigurd snake-in-the-eye share the same name

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-leaving-jordan-leave-charlotte-hornets-gif-6122328990435530945

[sage temple]

Yet you can't name an asian legend connecting to the Onigashima sword you big sissy

[ruby moat]

My bad I should have that ready off the dome

[golden valley]

I only buy into Loki theories in regards to his DF

miss me with allat other shi

[ruby moat]

Hmm I wonder if there are any myths related to swords and Japan

[brittle basin]

When you get that PhD, you can come back and talk to Socrates.

[ruby moat]

Hmmmmmm

[sage temple]

Sigmund had a son

His name was Sigurd

Sigurd uses that same sword

To kill Fafnir, a SHAPESHIFTING dragon

[ruby moat]

[sage temple]

Sigurd shares the name with Sigurd SNAKE IN THE EYE

[trim lily]

sigurd is a very common scandinavian name

[sage temple]

Sigurd SNAKE IN THE EYE has an Ouroboros design in his eye

[sage temple]

Oh well too bad mine has parallels and yours doesn't

[stone terrace]

And you share a name with a philosopher but i dont see much resemblanxe

[brittle basin]

Socrates is gonna be reeling when none of his theories come true.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-lebron-james-lebron-james-meme-gif-13813867165701134767

[sage temple]

I already have Domi Reversi bets

[ruby moat]

Perma ban on the line per chance?

[golden valley]

@sage temple how many Loki theories u got by now?

Also, Loki is getting DR’d

Ive already seen it

[sage temple]

3 with corresponding images
1 with no image in #manga-theories

All with 2000+ characters

One of them will be true at the very least

[trim lily]

surely

[sage temple]

Has Imu DR'd someone with completely unique eyes?

[hot cairn]

I’ve seen this dance before

[sage temple]

Someone already accursed?

[stone terrace]

Ah the buggy method

[sage temple]

Someone with a legendary devil fruit?

[golden valley]

Bro what

Wrong responde

[golden valley]

Bro what

[trim lily]

an absence of evidence is not in fact evidence

[sage temple]

Yes it's just a trend

How many people WITHOUT Devil Fruits can we see Imu has DR'd so far

Plenty

[hot cairn]

dammit, cant post the video I use when someone uses this sentence

[sage temple]

How many with?

[hot cairn]

it’s in my computer

[sage temple]

None

[golden valley]

Imu gives Loki an even greater curse

[sage temple]

[sage temple]

You can't curse the accursed

[golden valley]

U can

[stone terrace]

I have seen no proof that people with unique eyes had penises.

[distant vine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/s/4OsfDHwbay

[stone terrace]

Ball is in your court

[hot cairn]

LOL

[distant vine]

I dont like to say this cause I feel like its a bit rude to Oda as a creator

But damn, when other people draw Nami...

[sage temple]

Check dms

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-ksi-laughing-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-6096976004461568132

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/doc-rivers-say-what-what-are-you-doing-wtf-wtf-is-going-on-gif-14950848480992694306

[trim lily]

its fine not to like his art style sometimes

[brittle basin]

No one draws Nami like Oda. He goes out of his way for her at times

[sage temple]

You see that picture Icon?

Yeah thats what I thought

He most definitely has a penis

[golden valley]

The lengths loki fans will go to

[urban lodge]

[golden valley]

You a S-Tier d-rider socrates

[trim lily]

i think i know what image socrates sent

i dont remember if vortex or he sent it here before

[hot cairn]

is this how I was when I was vouching for Yamato 24/7?

[sage temple]

It's my specialty

[golden valley]

I know

[urban lodge]

Nah, don't worry

[distant vine]

I think its also a characterization thing.

I really like the Nami we have, but I want Rugged Warrior Nami to exist too ngl

[hot cairn]

oh thank God

[urban lodge]

Socrates is a whole other level

[trim lily]

yamato vouching was morally correct

[golden valley]

Riding dih more than Rocks glazers

[hot cairn]

I don’t think that fits her character

[tranquil blade]

This reminds me of a certain Kidd fan back in the day

[sage temple]

I am the best

[hot cairn]

ishy or sb

[urban lodge]

Bro

[tranquil blade]

Sb is new basically

[urban lodge]

These are getting out of hand

[hot cairn]

woah again?

[golden valley]

you’re elite

[hot cairn]

back to back

[urban lodge]

It's every 5 minutes now

[trim lily]

we're gonna be rich

[sage temple]

Almost a minute now mods

[tranquil blade]

Man these bots are like a daily thing now

[sage temple]

What are we doing

[golden valley]

Mods slackin

[sage temple]

Terrible times

[distant vine]

It doesnt. But like people draw her like that and Im like "What if..." like an alternate take. Same with Three Sword Style Nami

[golden valley]

Mods aren’t prepared for the bot account’s spoiling the OP prior to the official release in the non-spoiler channels

[urban lodge]

Vic was kinda similar tho sometimes

[sage temple]

About a minute

Not the best efficiency mods

[hot cairn]

the axe Nami timeline…

[distant vine]

Basically what Im saying is in another One Piece Nami could be the combatant and she'd be a Top 5 shonen character in her own way

[hot cairn]

that’s true

[golden valley]

Vic was a d-rider? I just thought they were fried in everything they talk about

[urban lodge]

The infamous Vic collage

With the blue background

[hot cairn]

LOL

[sage temple]

Let me see my competition

[hot cairn]

I used to have that saved on the go

[golden valley]

Just Hathor

[hot cairn]

socrates really is the spiritual successor

[sage temple]

Nice art

[stone terrace]

Nah socrates reminds me of ishy

[hot cairn]

let’s see if Oda breaks him too

[fallen meteor]

my favorite character

[sage temple]

Breaks me?

[hot cairn]

agreed

[sage temple]

Wdym breaks me

[olive sigil]

I don’t like how Luffy looks in there

[brittle basin]

dammit i was about to post that

[olive sigil]

Brook

[sage temple]

What about here

[fallen meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/telepathy-telepathic-psychic-mind-reader-meld-gif-13614415

[distant vine]

Imagine you see all these Nami aura fanarts and you read the manga and its her usual silly self (good)

[hot cairn]

I love Nami

[golden valley]

Oda cant write nami anymore

[olive sigil]

Better. But who sent Luffy to the gym

[golden valley]

Scared Nami is over wit

[sage temple]

Sleeper build

[urban lodge]

Nami was the only redeeming thing about Legoland

[hot cairn]

this server needs more ishy’s

[distant vine]

Scared Nami is fine

[hot cairn]

they made discussions hilarious

[distant vine]

I like it.

[golden valley]

I liked seeing Usopp get bullied

[tranquil blade]

Notice how they gave her an infinitely better outfit

[hot cairn]

more nai’s too

[urban lodge]

I miss Nai

[tranquil blade]

Idk if I miss Nai

Nai was another baiter

[urban lodge]

I will never forget Aphelandra's name

[stone terrace]

Nai wouldve been cooking so hard these past few weeks

[golden valley]

Scared Nami only irks me cuz she snatched a whole Emperor power and running from a house cat. Cook their shit Nami

[distant vine]

We could have this every arc instead of fanservice

[sage temple]

How was Ishy like

[urban lodge]

The anime designs really put into perspective how crazy her outfit is

[hot cairn]

Roger slander would’ve been off the charts

[urban lodge]

Gunko is more dressed than her

[hot cairn]

like you but deranged

[distant vine]

I feel like its a mindset thing. She's more of a defensive fighter. Not like Zoro or Robin

[tranquil blade]

This is two arcs in a row that Oda is doing ts

[stone terrace]

The most loyal kidd fan ever

[hot cairn]

from Elbaph or Egghead?

[golden valley]

Its cold asf and Gunko in the cold with fuckin panties on. That still boggles my mind

[urban lodge]

I wish Ishy and Socrates got to interact

[sage temple]

I like how Kidd fan and deranged are synonymous

[urban lodge]

Elbaf

[hot cairn]

the Egghead fits were… uh something else

[tranquil blade]

Hey he might come back as an alt someday

[golden valley]

Definitely a mindset thing

[fallen meteor]

lets be real all new users are alts

[tranquil blade]

Ishy really puts every other Kidd fan to shame, I can't even use the Kidd pirates role anymore I could never live up to that insanity

[sage temple]

What about Shimon

[hot cairn]

being here to see his reaction to chapter 1079 was something else

[golden valley]

A Loki fan would always clear a Kidd fan. One is currently relevant

[ornate tartan]

what did that guy do during 1079 if he was in here then

[distant vine]

I just wish Oda saw the vision man...

[urban lodge]

It's also crazy that they just accepted the clothes they were forcefully put into by Road, Nami especially

[brittle basin]

Oda does see the vision. His vision.

[hot cairn]

Shimon is actually cool

[frozen ravine]

Loki is edgeslop, Kidd is an underdog

[golden valley]

Locked in Nami this arc maybe?

[brittle basin]

oh wait yeah that's kind of fucked

[sage temple]

I like how cool and Kidd fan are antonymous

[distant vine]

Idk how many human sized clothes they got

[hot cairn]

the right one is so freaking cool

[distant vine]

Kinda no choice

[urban lodge]

Didn't Gerd have some?

[distant vine]

I guess they could go back to the Sunny and change but they probably got over it by now

[sage temple]

"Edgeslop" and he's just a cool character

😭

[brittle basin]

Gerd loves humans, she would've hooked them up.

[golden valley]

Road putting clothes on them is pretty wild for the simple fact it was done w/o consent and the fact he stripped them

How did Sanji not kill that mf

[distant vine]

Oh yeah she did dress the other half of the crew

[frozen ravine]

I'm sorry I was baiting

[tranquil blade]

Well Sanji is a bit inconsistent in behavior

[sage temple]

Oh

[distant vine]

Oda would see Nami has a shirt and shorts under the skirt and reject it 🥀

[stone terrace]

Sanji: "You got to dress nami swann but not me??? "

[hot cairn]

not a real baiter if you admit to it

[urban lodge]

I know they crucified him for like 10 minutes but the fact that he's just chill with them now is crazy

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-disappointed-mad-idris-elba-stringer-bell-gif-17916385

[ornate tartan]

Road always talking ab some ultra-rare😂

[frozen ravine]

You fell for my admitting to baiting bait

[hot cairn]

[golden valley]

You can get away with a lotta shit in OP 💔

[hot cairn]

I’m impressed

[urban lodge]

I wonder how many people Road has killed

[distant vine]

That's how it be with Nami's slaves

[hot cairn]

smh

[urban lodge]

It's probably like hundreds

[hot cairn]

he doesn’t kill them tho he just drops them on his make believe village

[ornate tartan]

more then rocks

[sage temple]

And then they die

[distant vine]

Filled with giant animals...

[tranquil blade]

THe one filled with giant beasts?

[sage temple]

To his cats

[urban lodge]

Well not directly but he's still responsible

[sage temple]

Ngl I fuck with the cockroach motorcycle so heavy

[hot cairn]

true

[sage temple]

That's a top 3 creation in Elbaph ngl

[tranquil blade]

The grasshopper was bigger than a person let alone everything else in there

[frozen ravine]

Hajrudin seems too soft to let road kill too many people

[stone terrace]

Its a grasshopper

[sage temple]

Holy swag

[sage temple]

Tomato tomahto

[stone terrace]

Meh no one died probably

Yk how it is

[frozen ravine]

I wonder how many islands have been invaded by giant bugs from elbaf

[ornate tartan]

I wonder how many of yall remember Stansen

[tranquil blade]

Why does the grasshopper have a human face and why is it so ugly

[golden valley]

Captain John getting his own double panel is still kinda crazy ngl

[sage temple]

Stansen is just a Loki hater

[sage temple]

Chiming in like he has all the answers

[golden valley]

And wait, where tf was Streusen in GV

[hot cairn]

Gerd is the real Loki hater

I’m surprised there’s no Loki x Gerd ships

[urban lodge]

Where were a lot of people

[hot cairn]

that’s… not Stansen

[frozen ravine]

Gerd has barely shown up

[sage temple]

Is she tho?

[hot cairn]

he was there in chapter 1165

[ornate tartan]

none of the new giant warrior pirates really like Loki at all, unironically Hajrudin probably does the most😂

after this flashback ends

[frozen ravine]

I thought road liked loki

[golden valley]

And then never seen again iirc

No giant likes Loki

[wraith mantle]

linlin, stussy, and gloriossa

[golden valley]

Have we gotten Colon’s views on Loki

[sage temple]

That's not a bad duo ngl

[frozen ravine]

I ship gerd with ussop

[sage temple]

Jarul doesn't hate Loki

[frozen ravine]

Wait no he's already with kaya

[golden valley]

Well I didn’t say hate

[sage temple]

Jarul tried to defend Loki at the diner

[ornate tartan]

😂😂

[golden valley]

Oh did he?

[grand flower]

Jarul is grooming Loki

or at least attempting to

[golden valley]

How so

[sage temple]

Actually Jarul might've known what happened in the castle but his brain was full of what the other giants made him believe

[grand flower]

Gotta wait for the YT channel for that 😉

[sage temple]

Like what's happening here

[frozen ravine]

I hope Loki isn't another carrot

And he just stays on elbaf

[sage temple]

Good for you ig

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-nba-gdfactoryclips-confused-aura-gif-9583865821628002832

[urban lodge]

Wow Socrates wants him to be another Carrot

[sage temple]

Yeah so I can eat him up and he'll be in my belly forever and ever

[urban lodge]

Bro

[frozen ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/carrot-carrot-one-piece-chopper-chopper-one-piece-tony-tony-chopper-gif-27178521

[tranquil blade]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-fnaf-crying-gif-24305969

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/kenny-atkinson-cdfactoryclips-gif-18443147968850806344

[proud pivot]

Carrot isn't as important as loki tbf

[formal wagon]

wrong tbh

[hot cairn]

I don’t know if he’s going to stay in Elbaph, I think he’ll go out to find Mosa and the frozen giants

[sage temple]

Clearly yeah

[hot cairn]

so true

[formal wagon]

carrot has roughly 2x more story relevance

objectively

[sage temple]

Not really

Loki has a lot more

[formal wagon]

nope

[hot cairn]

this is so funny

[hot cairn]

hell nah

[frozen ravine]

Carrot was on three islands that's 3x relevance

[sage temple]

Mural, Eyes, Legendary DF, Pirate for 8 years, Holy Knight Request, Magic Hammer, Xebec relations

[sage temple]

Loki was at sea for 8 years

[formal wagon]

king of zou or whatever > king of elbaf/ teller of god valley/ etc etc etc

we all know this

[dense haven]

carrot is chewing grass

[frozen ravine]

Loki has 1 of the fruits rocks wanted tho

[formal wagon]

magic grass of plot relevance

[sage temple]

I thought that was dogstorm and nekomusaahsi

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-sora-ai-time-is-ticking-white-rabbit-pointing-at-a-clock-nivins-mctwisp-gif-5968741641474765393

[formal wagon]

they quit and gave the job to carrot

[frozen ravine]

They're bumming in wano again

[sage temple]

I wish I had something better to do than fall for mailbox's bait

[urban lodge]

Carrot is the sole leader of Zou while Loki will be one of two kings of Elbaf, checkmate

[sage temple]

[hot cairn]

Elbaph > Zou

[sage temple]

oh

[formal wagon]

i'm suprised it worked

[sage temple]

I just wanted to talk more about Loki

[stone terrace]

Loki could solo zou

[latent hamlet]

loki is more important than carrot
CUZ HE INHERITS THE ROCKS AND HARALD AGENDAS

[stone terrace]

Even with the dukes

[sage temple]

This is why I take most bait regarding Loki

[formal wagon]

sometimes i post something that i think is too ludicrious for anyone to bite and it will get the most bites

[brittle basin]

mailbox (bait form) plz update your name

[hot cairn]

in Post Wano they made her the ruler of Zou

[wraith mantle]

fuck is she holding with her left arm

[proud pivot]

!rmd 75d the flashback ends in 2 months and 15 days

[brittle basin]

potato in foil

[sage temple]

Dog poop

[latent hamlet]

looks like tinfoil ngl

[wraith mantle]

smart

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-disappointed-mad-idris-elba-stringer-bell-gif-17916385

[formal wagon]

Charcoal and squid

[dense haven]

you can't trust the elections in zou that shit is rigged

[brittle basin]

crown me smart person of the day

[proud pivot]

@digital spear mute for 2 months if it doesn't

[hot cairn]

that’s actually a good guess

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-outpost-the-outpost-series-fantasy-the-cw-blackbloods-gif-22431412

[stone terrace]

Im moving to a REAL country like water 7

[formal wagon]

CW gif 😭

[wraith mantle]

whats a CW

[formal wagon]

and in current year 😭 😭

[formal wagon]

not to mention in current year 😭

[urban lodge]

Arisu... Have you been spending too much time around meek

[hot cairn]

don’t you have the “Elbaph ends in 1196” bet too?

[stone terrace]

Low budget show tv channel

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dis-belief-surprised-oh-gif-10085527

[proud pivot]

No, I am not a loser, I've won my 2 bets so far

[proud pivot]

Yes

[hot cairn]

so Elbaph ends in 29 chapters

mmmm

[proud pivot]

It is actually 1194

[hot cairn]

that sounds like a little

[proud pivot]

!rmd list

[wraith mantle]

thats a cool list

[sage temple]

Yo did you say in current year or am I bugging?

[wraith mantle]

let me ask you a question or two about it

[sage temple]

Bro is class of 2027

Bro's parents are older than bro

Bro is younger than Jarul

[idle knoll]

check kanye twitter account?? 😭

[hot cairn]

28 chapters

[proud pivot]

Yes

[proud pivot]

Goat

[hot cairn]

that’s actually too little

you’re cooked @proud pivot

[ornate tartan]

don’t think so

there isn’t gonna be 100+ chapter arcs in the final saga

[fallen meteor]

surely

[ornate tartan]

elbaph is already at 41

[urban lodge]

I think it's very possible Elbaf is

And final war will definitely be

[sage temple]

Is Loki's flashback the longest one ever so far?

[ocean totem]

Not following, but chapter was great

[ornate tartan]

yeah

[stone terrace]

Loki + rocks is encroaching on that

[sage temple]

Yeah just making sure Loki is the best in all fields

[ocean totem]

I like that they're touching on how it's hard to really ride herd on everyone in the marines and government

[sage temple]

I like how they expanded on Loki and Rocks' relationship

[fallen meteor]

i think its like 4 chs behind oden's

[grand flower]

just know this

Garp is the goat

[sage temple]

How much is Oden's?

[grand flower]

bean are you done telling people garp was a level below roger and whitebeard now?

[fallen meteor]

i dont remember
its just something people were discussing before

[ornate tartan]

flashback started at middle of 1152 and the recent was 1166, so that’s 14.5 chapters

Odens was 15

[hot cairn]

and you think it can end in 28 chapters or less? We haven’t even left the flashback yet

[ornate tartan]

next week chapter officially makes it the longest in One Piece

[sage temple]

Oh so Loki's flashback is basically longest

[hot cairn]

itll be when we hit chapter 1168

[sage temple]

Typo

[sage temple]

Nice

Just making sure Loki is once again dominating the competition

[hot cairn]

15

[ornate tartan]

actually 1168

[hot cairn]

Loki’s flashback is 14.5

[sage temple]

Wait so it's the longest next chapter

[proud pivot]

Rocks > Garp = Roger = Whitebeard

[sage temple]

Being a Loki fan feels like being an american

[fallen meteor]

@ashen perch https://x.com/ovrtmoon67/status/1991871323011002531

linnn🍉 (@ovrtmoon67)

X · Nov 21, 2025, 2:08 PM

[hot cairn]

I saw that on the feed

really cool

[stone terrace]

Minus the cig

[proud pivot]

I think it's pretty good, elbaph will be 69 chapters long

[wraith mantle]

no feet, why you tagging arsal

[hot cairn]

whats that supposed to mean

[sage temple]

Yknow the olympics

Like Loki wins all the competitions

[urban lodge]

I want to make a joke real bad but I can't

[sage temple]

Is it political?

[urban lodge]

Yes

[sage temple]

If it's political have Meek say it

He's immune to the political rule breaking

[stone terrace]

[sage temple]

Equality at it's finest

[dense haven]

low hanging fruit tho if americans knew what is a fruit they'd be really mad

[ornate hatch]

He looks tuff/cute without eyes

[ornate hatch]

Yes

[sage temple]

Which one you prefer

[ornate hatch]

Eyeless

[sage temple]

I fw his eyes no matter what color they'll be ngl

[sage temple]

valid valid

[ocean totem]

Nope, this is still correct

Garp was a great match at God Valley, but everyone gets stronger after lol

[ornate hatch]

Is that pink or purple hair

[dense haven]

socrates how much loki bara do you consume daily

[sage temple]

Kindof a mix

Idk

[hot cairn]

man I can’t wait to go back to the present

[ornate hatch]

I thought so

[ocean totem]

Garp was never weak in comparison, but it seems almost like a stereotype that pirates grow greater than marines on the whole

[sage temple]

at least 80 pictures per day

Now I'm a little more picky which fanart gets added to the Loki folder since there's so much of it

[ornate hatch]

Do we know who will raise baby shanks

[blazing mantle]

Didn’t Roger do that

[ornate hatch]

True

[ocean totem]

Someone more responsible than Roger

[blazing mantle]

Then why’d you ask

😭

Did you forget

[ornate tartan]

himself

[grand flower]

And Garp just didn't? lmfao

wow

don't answer

[urban lodge]

Rayleigh is the mom

[sage temple]

The duality of purple

I feel bad for the pre-reveal fanartists

[ornate hatch]

I mean like when he was a new born, I know he will be with roger around the age of 6+years but b4 that who’d raise him

[digital spear]

!rmd 75d mute Arisu if the flashback didnt end yet

[wraith mantle]

do people who read books get caught up in agenda shit too?

[digital spear]

yes

[wraith mantle]

like, people who read harry potter

[stone terrace]

Not as much

Books arent weekly

[wraith mantle]

or lord of the rings

[blazing mantle]

I guess shanks mom was single mother for a while

[digital spear]

Dumbledore >>>>>>>

[blazing mantle]

Before garling killed her

[formal wagon]

!rmd 75d kaido sux and garp > roger still?

[formal wagon]

!os

[tropic nova]

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[fallen meteor]

after it ends maybe

[wraith mantle]

nah that nigga got humbled

[stone terrace]

The structure of a shonen just lends itself to agenda

[fallen meteor]

its less based on battles too

[formal wagon]

she jump on my shounen till i agenda

[wraith mantle]

when can can we ban the rmd command in this channel

[formal wagon]

is that bad

[ornate hatch]

She was nowhere to be seen in god valley incident when pirates embarked, she’s probably one of the casualties by now

[wraith mantle]

shit is nothing but spam

[stone terrace]

Aragorn shouldve lowdiffed the nazgul

[formal wagon]

who

[fallen meteor]

everyone loves it

[blazing mantle]

Cause she was already dead

She probably bled out

[wraith mantle]

i think this is key yeah

[sage temple]

Harry Potter is only good for the hersheys collab

[fallen meteor]

maybe mosa is shanks' mom

[formal wagon]

!mleh

[blazing mantle]

And if she somehow survived the stab then the island collapsing in on itself would have killed her

[wraith mantle]

people love all kind of annoying shit

[blazing mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/cut-it-out-dude-gif-7309611

[formal wagon]

maybe mosa is the friends we made along the way

[ornate hatch]

Wydm she bled out? U mean in labor?

[timber glacier]

Or Hajrudins

[formal wagon]

maybe mosa is fem zoro because mosa is like female moss

!sorry

[ocean totem]

It's not that he didn't, it's that he was never in the running for world's strongest man. That was all Roger and Whitebeard as far as we ever know

[blazing mantle]

I mean she’s dead

Bled out from being stabbed by garling

[ornate hatch]

Yea 100%

Ratling shot her?

[blazing mantle]

Nah he stabbed her

Did you not read the chapter

[formal wagon]

garling has more kills than kaido now btw

[timber glacier]

Speed reader

[ornate hatch]

What chapter is that? I might’ve missed out

[formal wagon]

fraud dragon idiot dragon fraud worm

[blazing mantle]

It was like 3 chapters ago or something

[fallen meteor]

reading one piece by asking questions on #also-manga

[blazing mantle]

Before everything crazy started happening

[blazing mantle]

This is lowkey valid

[proud pivot]

when was roger in the running for that title?

[blazing mantle]

Have you ever read a manga at the speed of light

[timber glacier]

Probably the usual clashes with wb

[formal wagon]

reading one piece through the ace novels

[fallen meteor]

thats uhh

[blazing mantle]

TWIN

[fallen meteor]

!speedread

[blazing mantle]

Ace top 1

[ocean totem]

When he was the only person pinned as Whitebeard's equal

[timber glacier]

Reading one piece thru the wiki

[fallen meteor]

!speedreader

[tropic nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/535148418100887562/Lightspeedread.png

[fallen meteor]

yee that one

[blazing mantle]

You’re late koya

What took so long

[ocean totem]

Only reason he wasn't is probably because Whitebeard had his title years before Roger was even close to being the King lol

[proud pivot]

oh so roger just went easy on garp each time they fought after godvalley

i see

[blazing mantle]

Ehhhhh

That doesn’t sound right

[ornate hatch]

Icl Dragon lowkey earned my respect, I thought he only left the marine and became a revolutionary just to oppose the WG, but I understand his reasons now, I’d do the same too.

[ocean totem]

Why would you think that?

[dense haven]

guys davy d buggy is real

[ocean totem]

It feels like you guys think about this way too black and white, as if Garp can't be a great fight without actually being as strong as Roger

[ornate hatch]

Give me the Kay

[hasty sable]

I got what I wanted

[ocean totem]

Dragon being mad at Garp makes sense

Interesting dynamic

[hasty sable]

Dragon and Garp interaction

Waiting soooo long

[ornate hatch]

Did Garp lock him up? I haven’t read 1166 yet

[hasty sable]

Dragon hating Garp and Garp being like “I get it”

Garp broke him out

[ocean totem]

Literal only panel in the entire manga with both of them in it

[fallen meteor]

@ meek this is a mistranslation, garp says 'Kay' but it should be 'key' like the image shows

[ocean totem]

And all Garp does is say kay

[wet condor]

Fr lol

[ornate hatch]

As he should

[ocean totem]

Wait was this the only chapter in the entire manga with both of them in it?

Someone look this up for me

[hasty sable]

Did more for him than he ever did for Ace lol

[fallen meteor]

no

[timber glacier]

It is

[dense haven]

dragon will free garp

[fallen meteor]

when garp talks about dragon

[wet condor]

Oda is a troll

[fallen meteor]

we see his face

[ocean totem]

Nah, both of them in it

Not just references in memory

[stone terrace]

Garp threw a key at his son who has his hands bound

LMFAOOOOOOOOOO

[ocean totem]

God Valley counts actually

[fallen meteor]

then yeah probably

[ornate hatch]

Garp could’ve become a fine pirate but instead he prefers to be a world government lap dog

[hasty sable]

Dragon despising Garp because despite knowing everything he chose to stay with the Marines j guess

[wet condor]

This is a father-son interaction we've been waiting for, only thing that comes close is Luffy and Dragon

And Oda puts maybe 10 words total between the two of them

[distant vine]

A fine pirate...

[wet condor]

"Gonna have to wait for EOS"

[hasty sable]

Garp: If you ever become corrupt I’ll kill you myself!
gestures at Sengoku’s everything

[tough dust]

the more u read the interaction the more it make sense why oda did it the way he did

[wet condor]

He'll figure something out

[wraith mantle]

i was looking forward to this convo between garp and dragon

kinda disappointed it wasn't much of a convo

[stone terrace]

Very empty threat

Disappointingly so maybe? Lol

[sly belfry]

I think they are both there in 956?

[ornate hatch]

Since when did dragon and Luffy interacted, pls enlighten me

[wet condor]

When is the breaking point forGarp lol

[wet condor]

They haven't

That's the point I'm making

[dense haven]

it shows garp is still worried about his image enough to not directly free dragon so throwing him the key and dipping while dragon "disappears" is his solution

[wraith mantle]

he saw everything, demon ruler, slaves olympics, pregnant women executed, children murdered

there is no breaking point

[distant vine]

This isn't about a breaking point. He already decided who he's stayuing for.

[hasty sable]

I don’t think he has a breaking point. Akainu killed his grandson and he’s still working for him lol.

[tough dust]

Garp has no way to answer dragon after this entire slave games that happened
its only logical to have that dialogue that we got from him lol

[wet condor]

I'm talking about when he kills Sengoku lol

[distant vine]

oh

[tough dust]

and i'm sure it won't be the only time they will have a convo

[distant vine]

If Sengoku directly participated in something like that

[stone terrace]

Yeah like garp already stated his goal here

[distant vine]

Thats what I assume

[stone terrace]

There is no breaking point

[wraith mantle]

idk man

[hasty sable]

Garp apparently thought Sengoku pulling a Herod and Ohara weren’t breaking points? Marineford wasn’t because Garp was also in on that shit.

[ornate hatch]

He knew about the evil doing of Imu and ignored as if he’s getting paid to forget it

[wraith mantle]

garp had a whole convo with roger

[stone terrace]

He's ride or die for the little guy no matter wjat the top brass does

[wraith mantle]

why not with his son

[hasty sable]

Idk he doesn’t have one for Sengoku lol. That guy killed babies.

[wet condor]

I believe that could've been Kong

[wraith mantle]

they be saying it was kong who authorized that

[timber glacier]

Ya it was kong

[wet condor]

Who probably got it from higher up

[distant vine]

Sengoku was an Admiral the year after Roger's death

[hasty sable]

Ohhh

[distant vine]

He only became Fleet Admiral sometime after meeting Rosinante

[hasty sable]

Btw how are Rocks haters doing after this chapter

[wet condor]

I mean he's dead

[wet condor]

And he didn't get a grand death

[dense haven]

tbf it doesnt matter who authorized, the nuremberg excuse is old as time

[ocean totem]

Roger wanted the conversation

[wet condor]

So probably well

[ocean totem]

Dragon just wanted to tantrum

[stone terrace]

Sengoku owns the fact that they hunted for ace

[hasty sable]

Like everything people held against him is recontextualized in this lol

[stone terrace]

Theres no regret or shame from him

[wet condor]

Maybe some regret, but he's not going to deny it

[hasty sable]

He was kind to Loki, Harald did see him as his closest friend, he dies wanting Roger and Garp to survive

[stone terrace]

So him not giving the order (which 99% was passed down from the gorosei anyway) doesnt mean anything to me

[dense haven]

rocks is not evil

[ocean totem]

He was a dick

[wraith mantle]

i mean you might be right, dragon was definitely angry

[olive sigil]

Ok this was funny

[dense haven]

crazy stuff

[ocean totem]

But like plenty of pirates are dicks and still wish well to folks they respect

[wraith mantle]

say that louder for the boys in the back

[ocean totem]

It's not really new, people shouldn't be surprised

[wraith mantle]

mfs were saying harald didn't consider him a friend 😭

[hasty sable]

Harald cried for him

[ocean totem]

I don't understand that bit lol

[wet condor]

I get that

BEcause Harald never looks happy to see him lol

[ocean totem]

People were saying Xebec didn't think of Harald as a real friend too

[wet condor]

I questioned it

Xebec it was obvious

[stone terrace]

I would not want to be a friend of harald

[distant vine]

Even by the time Law and Drake are kids actually

[wet condor]

Xebec did lol

[hasty sable]

Rocks was that friend that shows up at your house uninvited all the time

[wet condor]

lmao

[hasty sable]

Annoying but you can still love him

[wet condor]

Potentially bringing trouble to your door

But Xebec is the type of guy you'd want to have as your friend if you ever got into shit or needed to do something shiesty

He won't ask questions

[hasty sable]

He knows how to hide a body

[dense haven]

if you dont punt your homies kid are you even truly friends

[ornate hatch]

Exactly, he just wanted to get rid of the very thing that’s pulling the strings

[ocean totem]

Sengoku was an admiral before Roger died

[wet condor]

If Harald ever asked Xebec for something

He's pulling up

[ornate hatch]

Damn imagine summoning admirals pre Gol d Roger’s death and then there’s sengoku with his lamest ahh df.

[wet condor]

Someone fellas around the block are harassing one of your sisters

Or whatever else lol

[sage temple]

It lowk goes the same way for Xebec and someone else

If Xebec asked Loki for something 👀

[ornate hatch]

If only Harald teamed up with Xebec and both ate the devil fruits. And then this bitch Imu would’ve been humbled

[wet condor]

Oh you talking about Loki lol

Yeah for Loki maybe lol

Loki asks Xebec for some shit, up in the air lol

He may do it to help get in with Harald

[dense haven]

still wouldn't beat imu

[tough dust]

that plan of rocks will not be guaranteed to beat imu lol

[grand flower]

@hot cairn on the last paragraph of the write up. This gon be the thumbnail

shrimple

[ornate hatch]

He’s afraid to lose his position to do that

[grand flower]

dawg he punched imu

[ornate hatch]

He didn’t know it was imu tho

[grand flower]

He punched him under the pretense that it was saturn

his boss...

[hazy turret]

Punch nazis and then keep working for them for the next 40 years

Amazing

Amazing stuff right here

[hot cairn]

we’re so back

[dense haven]

davy d buggy is real btw

[proud pivot]

small crashout moment

[grand flower]

Kinda insane how obvious it is that marines, pirates, revos and civilians will all come together to stop Imu but you guys miss that Garp's role is the figure that made sure there were marines whose moral fiber remained intact

[haughty saddle]

If Oda takes a 3 year break to write Garp a graphic novel of him stopping actual evil pirates would it stop

[grand flower]

Garp literally screams at Sengoku

IN FRONT OF OTHER MARINES

"I will kill you if you get corrupted"

[tranquil blade]

No

[stone terrace]

If only garps threat wasnt empty

[ocean totem]

Proceeds to do none of this

[hazy turret]

Fujitora and Akainu yelled at each other too

[stone terrace]

Id respect him a lot more

[grand flower]

okay i'm done with both of you

[ocean totem]

It's fair to point out that he's still working for the bad guys

[hazy turret]

Literally this too loool

[ocean totem]

But obviously it's not as simple as being marine = helping bad guys when there are plenty of marines like Garp

Saul, Koby, Grus, Drake

[grand flower]

This is the last I have to say

[wet condor]

It'll take probably take Garp being humiliated in some way for people to consider forgiving him

[grand flower]

Get some foresight

[wet condor]

Have him get domi reversi'd

[tranquil blade]

because people would still say "but why didnt Garp lead a revolt and kill all of the WG himself"

[wet condor]

Tortured some

Then the fandom will consider forgiving him

[ocean totem]

It's not about foresight

It's about acknowledging the present while being able to see he's making a difference

[grand flower]

that's why idc what you have to say about this topic further

i'll be happy to brag later

[ocean totem]

'cause fact is he spent the last nearly 40 years working for these folks

[dense haven]

garps only contribution is training coby who will be the next fleet admiral everything else he's done was useless

[ocean totem]

Brag about the thing everyone knows is coming? No one's saying he'll never amount to anything but helping the bad guys

You're not winning anything here, it's like saying Luffy lost to Kaido in Wano but he'll be the Pirate King eventually

Like we all know the end point, either Garp dies raising heroes or becomes the greatest one himself

[grand flower]

@hot cairn Finished

[haughty saddle]

People are def saying this tbf

[grand flower]

Satan willing, I'll be able to record it tonight

[ocean totem]

Those people are silly, he's already not this

[grand flower]

What a good way to illustrate why "Garp is still working for them" is the ultimate "here's your brownie points" contribution to this topic

[ocean totem]

Why are there two sides of people in denial about this

[grand flower]

Acknowledging that Garp's efforts in the Navy will ultimately be crucial to why the world is saved should be enough to make this a done thing but alas

[ocean totem]

It's exactly the same as pointing out that he's still building a better future in spite of it

[grand flower]

We debate brained in here

[grand flower]

Cool

[ocean totem]

It's not really a debate, though

[grand flower]

That's very true

[ocean totem]

They're correct, he is working for the bad guys

And you are correct, he's also building a better future

It's silly having an issue with either of those facts

May as well try to fight about Zoro not beating Mihawk because he lost to him in Baratie, like we don't all know what's coming

[haughty saddle]

Isn’t the crux of this all wether or not these two different things make him a morally sound person or not

Not actually like, if they’re true

[tranquil blade]

Yeah

[haughty saddle]

Because like they are for sure. But that’s not really the point lol

[grand flower]

convo can end right there

[ocean totem]

It shouldn't have even started

This isn't an argument lol

[sage temple]

Lets start talking about Loki then shall we

[grand flower]

completely agree there Bean

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/bunk-disappointed-the-wire-wendell-pierce-gif-11570296

[grand flower]

Niggas need to just acknowledge garp is the fuckin goat

call it a day

[ocean totem]

He's obviously a morally sound person too though, he's actively trying to build a new generation of marines that help people more than obey trash

[sage temple]

Yeah about Loki's eyes I hope we see the full prophecy surrounding them

[wraith mantle]

garp and harald

one hell of a flashback

[haughty saddle]

Okay, see now you’re in the meat of it lol

[ocean totem]

Like this really shouldn't be any kind of debate, the only real question is how culpable you want to make him for what the government does

[sage temple]

Longest flashback so far

[grand flower]

lol yeah

[sage temple]

Loki dominates all fields

[grand flower]

these things garp has never participated in

[wraith mantle]

did we officially surpass oden's?

[haughty saddle]

It’s a trolley problem thing shuron

[sage temple]

1 chapter left

[dense haven]

garp is complicit

[keen quiver]

Lot of people lacked reading comprehension

[sage temple]

Oden's at 15
Loki's at 14.5

[hazy turret]

You just refuse to acknowledge how much the world government has benefitted from creating the character of garp the hero

[dense haven]

he can't even claim ignorance

[wraith mantle]

most def

[tranquil blade]

Well the argument boils down to "Is Garp a fascist tolerating dog who is evil and bad and mean or is he actually not that bad of a guy"

[haughty saddle]

Does he have culpability for the things that happen at the behest of the marines while he is also enlisted in the marines reflect on him as well

[grand flower]

I love how Garp critics like to acknowledge Garp's influence in "his propaganda gets them support" but then you bring up how his influence is him openly telling everyone who will listen that the CDs are trash and all of a sudden his influence doesn't matter

curious

[keen quiver]

Garp is not blameless in his career

[wraith mantle]

garp works for the military arm that ensures the WG stays in power

[stone terrace]

He is complciit

Its that simple

[grand flower]

Garp tells his people its

[haughty saddle]

It’s the core of the “are all cops/soldiers actually capital e evil” thing as well which is neat

[sage temple]

I thought this conversation was fucking over

[wraith mantle]

idk how yall wanna defend this shit

[sage temple]

😡

[grand flower]

Garp tells his people it's OKAY TO ATTACK CELESTIAL DRAGONS

[keen quiver]

Strongest garp fan

[stone terrace]

Yes you are going to prison if you are involved in a ponzi scheme operation but dont say anything about it even if you werent doing any actual scamming

Deal with it

[grand flower]

But conveniently, influence goes out the window when that's brought up

[keen quiver]

Might be competing with you on fan tier lisr socrates

[wraith mantle]

he probably tells his people to hunt down revs too

criminals right?

[hazy turret]

Clearly it’s not effective because the marines are as docile as ever

[sick dust]

Just because Garp fans think it is doesn’t mean it isn’t

[dense haven]

it all depends on how much you can stand the ends justify the means type of shit

[sage temple]

Might be

[grand flower]

i like you so i'm not about to talk about how stupid this is to say

[sage temple]

It'

[ocean totem]

You can bring it up, but unfortunately that's a very small circle of people relative to the image the dragons get to project

[sage temple]

It's been lonely at #1

[grand flower]

LMFAO

[wraith mantle]

you think garp won't arrest revs?

you too soft on garp

[ocean totem]

That's the problem, Garp may be a fuck those dudes at the top person to everyone next to him, but that's as far as his reach goes

[grand flower]

Nope

[sage temple]

[hazy turret]

DRAGON THE GOAT

[grand flower]

dawg he works with bandits

[ocean totem]

That's why almost 40 years later we still have so many terrible marines

But still have some pretty great ones too

[wraith mantle]

he has a personal relationship with them bandits,

he has no relationship with bello betty

[sick dust]

Some doesn’t make up the majority

[wraith mantle]

if he sees her ass at sea

its arrest time

[keen quiver]

Garp's best result was coby

[tranquil blade]

Actually this really is about if every single marine is complicit and therefore evil

[keen quiver]

Which happened in the last 2 years

[leaden rivet]

@haughty saddle we talked about how the dragon vs Garp conversation would go a week ago, are you satisfied with the result?

[grand flower]

Yeah man I'm sure Oda characterizing Garp as a beloved hero since before Me Valley even happened is so we can draw the conclusion that Garp's influence on the Navy is minimal

[sick dust]

Ohara still happened while Garp was still in service

[haughty saddle]

No, not very much at all lol

[grand flower]

That's genius

[sick dust]

As well as the hunt to kill Ace before he was born

[hazy turret]

I remain steadfast in the belief that if Garp were actually a threat to the world government, he would have been exiled a long time ago.

[stone terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/i-pretend-i-do-not-see-it-i-do-not-see-it-emoji-ew-gross-gif-20086803

[haughty saddle]

I’m not sure if “Kay” is gonna be Viz’ translation but I really really reallllllly disliked the brevity of it all

[leaden rivet]

This is common sense, I fear.

[haughty saddle]

Which Viz can’t fix so

[trim lily]

that seems mostly correct

[grand flower]

what makes you say that?

[dense haven]

99% of the marines we've seen so far are bad and the vast majority of the good ones are in sword which is kinda their own club

[stone widget]

I think, garp guarded the marines from the bottom and Sengoku guarded from the top. They both had the same agenda but took different approaches. Similar to Luffy and Blackbeard/Kidd/law

[leaden rivet]

I did wish a bit that Garp explained a bit more of his ideals to dragon

[trim lily]

right now garp is much more useful as a propaganda tool so he cant be doing that much to fight back

other than raising the next gen

[wraith mantle]

A D who attacked imu/saturn themselves is allowed to live?

yeah they most def think hes a valuable asset and not a threat

[ocean totem]

No, seeing everything that the Navy's done since God Valley is how we can draw the conclusion that Garp's influence on the navy has been smaller

[wraith mantle]

they using garp like they used harald

[stone terrace]

Sengoku didnt guard anything form the top

[ocean totem]

Not minimal, but he's clearly not making the waves he wants to make

[wet condor]

Nothing that we saw

[trim lily]

ive genuinely got no clue what sengoku's ideology is now

[grand flower]

Like how they went all out to handle Luffy a long time ago and didn't let their hubris limit them until it was too late and Nika came abck

Oh....

[tranquil blade]

When it's asked in this way, I actually want to say "Yes Garp is bad to a degree"

[grand flower]

Oh wait....

[ocean totem]

Not with the current brass, he needs to clear out the crush first

[trim lily]

it feels very silly for him to actively ignore any corruption

[stone terrace]

This is the exact toxic mentality that propagates marine corruption

[wet condor]

I don't quite understand him either

[ocean totem]

There is no going all out to handle Luffy at any point, really

[hazy turret]

Garp has decided that continuing to work for the marines is a necessary evil in order to protect the low ranking marines. Some, such as shuron, believe that it outweighs the bad. Other do not.

[dense haven]

he's obedient most of the time

[wraith mantle]

garp threws hands at an elder

[wet condor]

Given what he said at Marineford, but we don't really see him do anything from the top

[ocean totem]

That's just not how they work even if they did fully figure out who he was and all beforehand

[trim lily]

like this chapter makes sengoku seem borderline evil

[ocean totem]

This is like the whole summary

[grand flower]

You're so close!

[wraith mantle]

except when he threw hands at saturn/imu

[leaden rivet]

Sengoku is a lot past boederline evil lol

[haughty saddle]

I hated how there was so little anything at all between them other than Dragon’s anger, which was going to be a given, and Garp’s nonchelantness. No sort of regret from Garp, no sorrow from Dragon. It just felt super flat. Like I was watching a puppet show of an event that should otherwise be really rich in emotion and interaction between a father and son.

[keen quiver]

Yeah irs pretty much this

[wraith mantle]

you know what they do when you touch a CD?

[olive sigil]

If I’m not the one doing the bad thing I’m not accountable

[wraith mantle]

they send an admiral

[trim lily]

i didnt think he was that bad

[grand flower]

I like how you leave out that Garp protects the lower ranked marines for the purpose of them being able to save innocents while he keeps the heavy hitters busy

[leaden rivet]

Felt like this was the perfect time to lay out everything on the table between them

[leaden rivet]

I was more referring to the genocide justification part, not solely this chapter

[trim lily]

ah

[ocean totem]

These are not the same topic

[keen quiver]

Never a god knight

Curious

[ocean totem]

Rokaya's talking in a general sense, not an on the mission sense

[grand flower]

I'm sure the raid on Hachinosu where Garp gave his squad the game plan of "You save the people while I charge in first to create the opportunity" means nothing in combination with him instructing his fleet on Me Valley to save as many residents as they can

[hazy turret]

Luffy isn’t literally a part of their organization, with access to sensitive information and resources. He isn’t uplifted and supported by them

[wraith mantle]

shiiit man

[tranquil blade]

I thought Sengoku was nearly as bad as Akainu

He really might be

[sick dust]

Oda would have Sengoku say shit like this and expect me to think he is a morally good person

[ocean totem]

Shuron you're not hitting the point there

[wraith mantle]

them god knights are tobi roppo level

[grand flower]

Yeah I know yall need to keep these things separate

[haughty saddle]

And we get the bare minimum. Literally. Lmao.

[trim lily]

im hoping we get another interaction with them later either in a dragon flashback or current day

[haughty saddle]

Default emotions all the way through

[ocean totem]

No, like you're trying to talk specific actions while rokaya's talking metaphor

[stone terrace]

He was nice to law once

[haughty saddle]

Dragon, pissed, as always. Garp, nonchalant, as always.

[dense haven]

dw oda is saving it for the dragon flashback trusttrust

[haughty saddle]

Like damn man

[grand flower]

The point is that what Garp does in the Navy is for the bottom line of saving lives, and Garp does whatever he can whenever he can to undermine Marijoa's attempts to corrupt the Navy

[trim lily]

i actually like the interaction this chapter since garp cant really argue or complain with dragon's decision, but thats only on the condition we get to see them have a real talk later

[grand flower]

You cannot evaluate Garp and leave any of this out

The second you do, you're off the mark

[ocean totem]

Rokaya detailed this, yes

[grand flower]

No she didn't

She purposefully framed it as though Garp is protecting JUST marines with no mention of the actual results

Innocent lives are saved

[sick dust]

How can you corrupt something that is already in your control

[leaden rivet]

I wish he did argue it, Garp’s justice is still a bit mysterious and I wish we got to see him truly explain why he thought staying with the marines was better to dragon

[grand flower]

And no mention of the fact that Garp actively attempts to undermine Marijoa's influence

[olive sigil]

I think in this moment dragon made the right decision

[ocean totem]

Innocent lives are saved because of Garp protecting and raising marines

[hazy turret]

He has said the reason he continues to work for the marines is to protect low ranking marines. You can interpret the reason to be for the innocent people, but that is not fact. It could very well be just because he sees those low ranking marines as innocent or naive.

[leaden rivet]

Garp was kinda like “that’s tough” and that’s it

[ocean totem]

He doesn't really attempt to undermine Mariejois's influence

[trim lily]

yeah getting some more introspection into garp's reasoning would really help

[leaden rivet]

Just a bit disappointing

[trim lily]

this chapter is a good starting point but it could really use more

[olive sigil]

You don’t argue with someone who’s that pissed off

[faint notch]

hello fellas, what’s the topic?

[grand flower]

Which was left out to make Garp's efforts seem less productive than they actually are

[ocean totem]

He'll brush them off if it gets too bad, but there hasn't really been a time for that, most of what he does is more in relation to like the fleet admiral

[keen quiver]

Idk how sitting around doing nothing is brave or the right thing to do.

[grand flower]

Openly tells Marines it's okay to attack CDs but okay

sure

[leaden rivet]

Arguing with an idealized teenager is to no avail I agree, but I wish he said something more nonetheless

[wet condor]

Why would Garp argue with Dragon though?

[keen quiver]

Inaction for me isn't a positive

[olive sigil]

What’s sengoku’s justice

[grand flower]

Actively teaches Marines that the purpose of the Navy is to priortize saving people

But yeah

[trim lily]

and garp's ideology

[ocean totem]

This is not undermining their influence, and one situation where he does so isn't him waving that as a flag everywhere he goes

[stone terrace]

"This is like a bad dream"
12 bad dreams later:

[grand flower]

Doesn't try to undermine Marijoa's influence

[wet condor]

Like Dragon literally just joined the Marines. He has no investment in it the way Garp does. Given what he just saw, Garp isn't going to fight that hard to argue for him to stick around

[keen quiver]

Telling the celestials to screw themselves is cool. But it doesn't stop them from committing genocide, getting slaves or being menaces.

[tranquil blade]

In some ways Fujitora undermines Marijoa more than Garp, they guy literally let slaves be freed by the revos

[ocean totem]

That last one isn't something Mariejois goes against, though

[grand flower]

Oh if you're in the camp of "Oda needs to show us something ten times for it to count," we're definitely done here

[formal wagon]

Dragon was very rude this chapter

[ocean totem]

That's not undermining their influence

[faint notch]

when did garp say this?

[wraith mantle]

and garp's work as a marine is literally ensuring the WG stays in power

[grand flower]

I expect yall to be smart enough to understand that there are scenes we are meant to extrapolate as common occurrences

[grand flower]

In Me Valley

[leaden rivet]

Garp can’t really do anything, and he really honestly hasn’t tried until Koby.

[ocean totem]

No, I'm in the camp of staking a claim of constant behavior requires more than literally one instance ever

[ocean totem]

Nah, you don't get that here

[grand flower]

When they asked if they should help, meaning help Saturn, Garp says "OF COURSE we should help," but meaning attacking Saturn

[ocean totem]

You really don't get to say he just teaches everyone to go around hurting Celestial Dragons and expect that to fly lol

[grand flower]

Garp literally expresses it as "This is absolutely what we should do

[keen quiver]

Bingo, he wants the navy to be the premire place for justice which is fair and all. If the mass corruption wasnt so bad.

[grand flower]

ask me if i care next

[dense haven]

and undermines akainu too Fuji has massive balls

[ocean totem]

I don't care

[wraith mantle]

garp is simple if you are an outlaw, you get the cuffs
and guess who determines whos an outlaw?

[restive wedge]

Common Fujitora W

[faint notch]

Oh man, i already forgot that saturn is a CD lol

[grand flower]

That's why Dadan is in jail, huh

[ocean totem]

You can be silly somewhere else, pushing that is not it

[hazy turret]

That was literally the point I was making the other day breh

[keen quiver]

Also keep in mind if you refuse to follow celestial orders they can kill you. Not everyone has the privilege to be garp level.

[ocean totem]

Yeh, Garp's not going around telling people to just throw hands with the Celestial Dragons

[haughty saddle]

An “I’m sorry” would have went a hundred miles

[dense haven]

I don't think he's sorry ngl

[ocean totem]

How monumentally stupid would he have to be for that to be any kind of common occurrence

[leaden rivet]

He’s sorry dragon had to see that maybe

[ocean totem]

He'd be telling his people to go commit suicide

[tranquil blade]

I dont remember that gomen

[grand flower]

You should check out 1163 when you get a chance, it's a banger

[trim lily]

surely we'll get to see sengoku have to reflect on his ideology and actions in the past in the current day

[grand flower]

Nigga literally says

[leaden rivet]

No I think Sengoku is just kinda a good guy now

[hazy turret]

You weren’t there

[leaden rivet]

Everything’s all good

[ocean totem]

You can stop there

[grand flower]

"We, yes WE, are attacking Saturn"

[trim lily]

he was nice to corazon and law

[grand flower]

WE are helping

[wraith mantle]

i am getting lost between sengoku and kong

what bad shit did sengoku do?

[keen quiver]

Bean is charging up

[grand flower]

not just that

[keen quiver]

😭

[ocean totem]

Garp choosing one instances where a Celestial Dragon has turned into this giant monster and is killing innocent people, sure

[faint notch]

Yup, he wouldn’t tell his people to attack CD if he really cares for them.

[grand flower]

of course WE are helping

[ocean totem]

He'll be on the peoples' side, that's nice

[haughty saddle]

That would be against the established character he has. We’ve seen him sob before. I don’t wanna see him sob here, but

[ocean totem]

He is not going around telling everyone to just attack the Celestial Dragons, you're not going to argue that

Shuron you know that's nonsense

[faint notch]

cause it’s suicide as you mentioned

[grand flower]

as opposed to how all of their other actions are otherwise humane lmao

[ocean totem]

You know that's actually just braindead to try to push

[wraith mantle]

thats dragon's job lol

[grand flower]

he literally tells them "We are going to attack this celestial dragon"

[ocean totem]

Shit, I don't think even Dragon would push that too much lol

[trim lily]

he was all for the ohara stuff, he didnt mind any corruption in the upper ranks or their decisions, i imagine he was part of some other bad stuff as an admiral and fleet admiral too

[ocean totem]

Yes, this ONE time, where there's an apocalyptic monster rampaging

[tranquil blade]

Garp used the monster form of Imu as an excuse to attack a celestial dragon, but he wouldnt just attack a celestial dragon unprompted in most situations even if he hates them

[grand flower]

Idk why you think Saturn/Imu attacking marines is different than a CD shooting an innocent person

[ocean totem]

You said this was a common thing

[grand flower]

No i didn't

[ocean totem]

Your argument was that this was just something Garp did

[grand flower]

I said he openly encourages them to attack celestial dragons

that's what he did

[ocean totem]

Shuron

[grand flower]

he's literally encouraging them to dismiss Saturn's position as a CD

[leaden rivet]

Agree, WG let it slide because it doesn’t endanger their image and they could use him for propoganda

[ocean totem]

Shuron.

[grand flower]

Oh you misunderstood me

[hazy turret]

Shout out to dragon during this flashback, it’s basically what we all imagined would happen but it was still a great show. Now if he can just do something during the present….

[leaden rivet]

Garp definitely isn’t just putting hands on CDs Willy nilly

[grand flower]

I didn't say Garp tells them to attack CDs over and over

[wraith mantle]

damn man fuck sengoku