also-manga

[honest garden]

Idk if that's a quote

[glass plume]

both will fail in overthrowing Imu

[ashen perch]

well that might be true

[honest garden]

Rocks and Roger chased after Shakky, does that mean Shakky is a God

[wet heron]

not like hey vasco catarina and xyz go grab that df I really really need to unpetrify the frozen giants once I unfreeze them.

[ashen perch]

but I was talking about Gallei La mainly, I think Kuzan is gonna be key in freeing them

[blazing depot]

They need something hot

[glass plume]

can Kuzan unfreeze things?

[blazing depot]

Like magma

https://tenor.com/view/magu-magu-no-mi-for-akainu-gif-22832590

[honest garden]

Also from a narrative perspective, BB got Coby so it's not like it was pointless

[ashen perch]

if what originally froze them was his fruit, he could just reverse it

[wet heron]

I think they could unfreeze but it would take like weeks - months for that amount of ice.

[glass plume]

even if he wasn't the one doing it?

[wet heron]

what volume it is, depends a lot on that plus the temp at hachinosu if they plan to transport them all there.

[ashen perch]

yes, also we have seen him unfreeze things

[honest garden]

90% of the cast has fire moves btw

But I don't think it'll work without either Imu possession or Moria

It's not a thawing issue, at least it's not the biggest issue

[wet heron]

u got religion

[honest garden]

I don't understand your point

[wet heron]

Shakkyism

[blazing depot]

Da bible

[ashen perch]

eh

if the whole idea is that they were cryogenically frozen for centuries, I am sure not anyone can thaw them out

[honest garden]

Do you think its special ice?

[wet heron]

yeah month if not weeks but OP is rapid, I think SHs went from facing Gorosei to facing Imu & co in a matter of barely a week.

[ashen perch]

yea

I dont think they are just going to be dead in there, that would be pointless

[honest garden]

Well I suppose that's where we seperate

[wet heron]

*separate

[ashen perch]

because what good are they as these highly skilled shipwrights if they are just corpses who will need someone else's consciousness (shadow) to pilot them?

[wet heron]

necromancy is not viable either imo

[honest garden]

I would've just imagined they're mindless soldiers

[blazing depot]

They needed Harald right

[honest garden]

Was it mentioned that they're specifically good shiprights? I forget

[glass plume]

i hope that Ragnir stems from the Galley Ra giants

[blazing depot]

To eat a specific fruit

[ashen perch]

yea, jarul said they were

[warm falcon]

if they are alive, what is the point of Tom inheriting their Will? Tom died for nothing?

[honest garden]

Ah, interesting

[honest garden]

Well Tom still got a lot out of it

[wet heron]

as for forcing the alive and unfrozen giants Imu just uses threat, BB would have to offer something, well he could easily offer taking out the ones who froze them - WG. Plus saving them from perma freeze, petrification etc.

[honest garden]

And Franky

Them being alive doesn't take awya from that

[glass plume]

Tom forged the Oro Jackson

a legendary feat in of itself

[blazing depot]

Did he put the egg there

How did he get that big ass egg

[warm falcon]

the Forest God (Adam) sent the demons (Roger and Luffy). their ships are made of Adam.

[honest garden]

The 4th hidden race

[warm falcon]

cause he has big balls himself

[glass plume]

the 4th race, the Yoshis

[ashen perch]

its a Roc

[blazing depot]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-iasip-always-sunny-philadelphia-gif-11094806

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-tv-yoshi-bailando-yoshi-dancando-gran-hermano-gh2022-gif-26983326

[agile imp]

I still wanna know where the Oro Jackson is
I used to think Gaban had it but it doesn't seem to be the case now
Did Roger just dump it on Lodestar maybe?

Maybe Garp has it in a shed somewhere lmao

[wet heron]

was Boa bluffing about the unpetrification thing or only the ones who petrified can undo it.

[ashen perch]

Roger must have found it somewhere, a lot is still very unknown about him lol, like how he got that SH

[glass plume]

i think the Oro Jackson is under the sea

[ashen perch]

she was probably right, but it doesnt have to be the same with Kuzan's fruit

[agile imp]

I think it'd be funny if Garp just has Roger's ship somewhere lmao

[warm falcon]

if Boa was lying or not, it can be a key to Imu's defeat... (only considering he had the perennial surgery)

[glass plume]

wouldn't make sense, the last person who probably had the ship was Rayleigh

[wet heron]

what on Earth does BB want unpetrified which cannot be done so in that case, also it better not be one more legendary figure etc.

[agile imp]

Maybe?

If anyone would have it, it'd be the Navy, cuz Roger turned himself in

[ashen perch]

tbf, it doesnt have to be Hie Hie that froze them anyways, they have got the ice demon bakotsu on their side too

[wet heron]

so petrifying Imu or like how.

[agile imp]

So it was most likely demolished

[glass plume]

yeah, but Roger didn't have the ship with him lol

[honest garden]

Regardless, Arsal, who do you think will get those giants?

[wet heron]

also how is the immortality surgery related, we know he had it done .. probably.

[agile imp]

Where does it say he didn't have it?

[ashen perch]

I think it will be BB for sure

[blazing depot]

Pear

[warm falcon]

if she is telling the truth, then Imu's immortality cant be undone by DF

[glass plume]

we saw that Rayleigh and the crew dropped Roger off at Baterilla taking the ship with them

[honest garden]

I'm thinking Imu

[glass plume]

since after that Rayleigh dropped Oden and the other Wano people off

[agile imp]

Roger: "Rayleigh! Did you lay this egg!?"

[ashen perch]

he is (probably) acting on Xebec's own plan, who needed the giants for something

[honest garden]

I think this arc is really setting up a giant army for the WG

[glass plume]

i agree

[warm falcon]

I'm thinking I'm xd

[glass plume]

i think that the giants will be on the side of the World Government after this

except for Hajrudin and Loki

[wet heron]

oh you are connecting the reversability of hie hie with that of ope ope immortality surgery.

[honest garden]

I think the giants will be saved, so Imu will have to get giants from somewhere else

There'll be good giants vs bad giants

[wet heron]

not always related, some df and abilities are just how do I put it - unearthly, off the charts.

sugar is another crazy one btw.

[glass plume]

i think that Elbaph's rescue mission will end in failure, as the Straw Hats need to evacuate

Loki and Hajrudin will follow along

[blazing depot]

Morj

Is that you

[ashen perch]

yea I can't see Dorry and Brogy permanently falling to the bad side, it feels like a thing that will be resolved in Elbaf

[glass plume]

don't ever insult me like this again

[blazing depot]

Usopp will be the key

[honest garden]

Man, its easy to forget they're 200000 ft demons right now

[wet heron]

bad ginats as in one force contracted by Imu ?

*giants

[ashen perch]

Usopp can try to talk to them but idk if thats gonna undo the spell lol

[glass plume]

Usopp probably won't be able to do shit if i'm honest

[honest garden]

I think the bad giants will be the frozen ones

[glass plume]

i could see Usopp being they key for mending Hajrudin and Loki's relation tho

[honest garden]

I'm hoping to god that Usopp uses some big brain technique to save them

#other-series

[wet heron]

oh those ones, if unfrozen + unpetrified (if petrfied) and then re contracted .. that seems far fetched, Imu already has a upper hand wrt overall situation in Elbaph.

[ashen perch]

since we're doing magic now, maybe Usopp figures out some uh

counter magic

[glass plume]

doubt it

[honest garden]

Usopp used to be smart

[glass plume]

maybe if he brings out a cross or something lol

[honest garden]

I still have faith in oda

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/pokémon-misty-gastly-cross-anime-gif-16265495952515938742

[honest garden]

He won't let Usopp leave Elbaf without a W

[wet heron]

this time Imu loses in the final war, the main forces need the WMDs working before it so likely to assume the forzen giants go towards either of CG Luffy esp BB

[blazing depot]

Usopp will come up with something to switch back the demon giants

This is like Sugar again

[glass plume]

the giants have no reason to go to Blackbeard

literally none

[blazing depot]

Plus it’s personal to him

Dorry and Brogy are his MASTERS

[glass plume]

they'd go to Luffy who is NIka

[wet heron]

that used to mean a compliment what happened, the Garling thumbnails being proven super wrong ?

😭

[glass plume]

i despise Morj

[warm falcon]

i guess we ill have a key growing about his honor/survive/death thing, a clash with Giant's philosophy

[wet heron]

he just clickbaits sometimes

[glass plume]

sometimes

more like all the time

[wet heron]

sure he did not really mean the garling shanks family bs

[glass plume]

would the giants be able to listen if they're under control of Imu?

[wet heron]

garling with skeletal armor was a whole pack of ass

[ashen perch]

theres plenty of Elbaf left here, like 60 chapters

give Usopp some time

he will not just have a moment

he will have MOMENTS

[wet heron]

remember God Usopp ...

[honest garden]

Did ou end up being right with your egghead length prediction Arsal?

[glass plume]

i think he was pretty cool agaisnt Gunko

even tho he did end up being bruised afterwards

[ashen perch]

well roughly

[blazing depot]

Remember

Usopp gave Gunko the hardest time

[ashen perch]

I said 70-80 chapters I believe

68 is close enough

[blazing depot]

This flashback will NEVER END

[ashen perch]

Its not my fault that Oda kinda went through those final chapters quicker than I had anticipated

[warm falcon]

whats your point?

[ashen perch]

but it still works out

[glass plume]

i really wonder what Loki did out at sea for 8 years

[warm falcon]

yes, we are unpatient a lot of times

[glass plume]

my point is that the giants wouldn't be able to reconcile with what Usopp is saying if they're under the control of Imu, lol

[wet heron]

yeah internally their inner self can hear it ig

[leaden mulch]

So how much time is the flashback running rn?(Including breaks)

[wet heron]

that part of their soul and mind might be caged etc

but Oda does not typically do that type of thing so we won't see a lot on that front.

[warm falcon]

10 min

[ashen perch]

yea

[warm falcon]

loki swears

[wet heron]

zunesha is a good example

[glass plume]

i think it's a bit different from the likes of Zunesha and the domi reversi

[wet heron]

so that mf cannot take any action or decision for itself due to being sentenced to follow it's punishment.

[rare ivy]

Xebec’s soul still resides in Teach’s body

[woven heron]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-dawg-kareem-johnson-games-people-play-my-homie-my-bro-gif-23815759

[wet heron]

but internally was begging Momo or anybody to give them an order to attack jack

[wet heron]

yo

[ashen perch]

nearing 4 months now

[leaden mulch]

Damn

[glass plume]

i think the GV incident will be over by 1170

[warm falcon]

yeah we have to put all the cards on the table, but i dont like this idea

[glass plume]

and then the Loki stuff will resume up til like 1190

[ashen perch]

start of flashback, chapter 1152 was released back in june 20th

[leaden mulch]

We truly have spent a lot of time but I actually really loved the flashback

[woven heron]

https://tenor.com/view/wazappp-gif-16533663536355085528

[ashen perch]

okay relax

thats a 38 chapter flashback

[wet heron]

[glass plume]

insane that it started with Harold as a youngster, lol

[graceful belfry]

40 chapter flashback leggooooo

[leaden mulch]

Loki is yapping a lot

[vale heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/1408485906188599497/arlongi.gif

[glass plume]

i don't think it's far fetched atp

there's a lot to cover

[ashen perch]

there is a lot to cover, my idea is that we will just split it up lol

[wet heron]

yeah it's sir far fetchd

[vale heath]

I certainly didn’t expect the detour into god valley

[glass plume]

the reason for why Loki started this story is just to explain how Harald died iirc

[warm falcon]

me too, i love seeing the characters being put in another light

[leaden mulch]

Yup and I think we may take some chapters for the harald death

[glass plume]

so maybe they could explain his years afterwards

[ashen perch]

the flashback ends at Harald's death, where it started

[glass plume]

but i'd still like to know what he did those 8 years

[woven heron]

Ppl complain about flashback watch when Void Century drops 1 years long atleast

[ashen perch]

and everything afterwards will be saved for well... afterwards

[warm falcon]

a punk delinquent

[leaden mulch]

Yeah this is why I ended up enjoying it and the subversion of expectations

[glass plume]

thing is, should it be saved? isn't it just better to rip the bandaid off now

[leaden mulch]

Void century flashback will take a century

[woven heron]

True

[wet heron]

fuck yes

OP4LIFE

[warm falcon]

remember the world was destroyed twice, we can even have the the before the void century flashback

[glass plume]

whenever we get the Void Century flashback I'd expect at least 50 chapters lol

[woven heron]

Davy Jones and Joyboy hype

[ashen perch]

I think its better that Oda splits up the flashback right now imo, I think it would stall the present conflict for far too long if we just kept on going

[tulip turtle]

Oh yeah, it could take a long time to finish the Void Century arc, considering how many things from the Void Century are connected to the present time. lmao

[glass plume]

fair

[graceful belfry]

I think we’re going til no later than chapter 1175, regardless of if the Adventures of Loki gets tacked on after Harald’s death or not

[warm falcon]

op4i? lewd!

[wet heron]

word af joyboy and davy jones stuff will be cooked.

[ashen perch]

end it at Harald's death and then the rest is saved for later, that works best

[leaden mulch]

Yeah we need to see a lot of things in void century like Joyboy promise

[glass plume]

hear me out, we'll get the Void Century flashback from Imu's perspective

[wet heron]

#o3.14 #neverendsever #op2050

[tulip turtle]

First world flashback and then void century flashback will take time ngl

[graceful belfry]

Just for the sake of the story’s flow, yes. The Loki bit after Harald’s death is the least relevant part towards the current conflict, as far as we know

[warm falcon]

Mumumumu - he laughed

[ashen perch]

yea for sure

Mind you, just resolving everything to Harald's death is gonna take like 10 chapters on its own. I am thinking the flashback ends at 1172.

[graceful belfry]

I’m in a similar ball park

[wet heron]

another 4-6 chs for GV

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-evil-laugh-laugh-laughing-gif-3402817754151881983

[graceful belfry]

I think no later than ch. 1175, like I said above

[wet heron]

then another 15 ch for Loki v Shanks Harald death etc ...

[ashen perch]

yea, another 4-ish chapters for GV, then 6 for the remainder

[tulip turtle]

Gv will probably end in 2-3 chapters rn

[wet heron]

only 6 ??????????

[agile imp]

Hol up
What if Teach has both Xebec's soul and his mom's soul in him, and that's why he's all about "3"s and why he can(theoretically) use 3 DFs

[wet heron]

Loki mfs will be on your ass dawg

[ashen perch]

hathor never reading the chat...

I just said the flashback ends at Harald's death for now smh

[warm falcon]

"mumuhahaha"... coughs from old age.

[wet heron]

for now

[glass plume]

please no

[wet heron]

so it resumes later

[ashen perch]

yeah, after we resolve the present day conflict

[wet heron]

why not rn, combined it'd still be over by min 1175 ish

[glass plume]

i wonder if Oda chose the name Imu just so he could do the jokes with their laugh being "Muahahahaha" like the classical comic villain

i hope at least

[wet heron]

max 1185

[ashen perch]

hathor, by your own estimates, it will be over by 1183

[wet heron]

yeah

[warm falcon]

its that last time babybeard see his father... he wont

[ashen perch]

not 1175

[tulip turtle]

It's heavily implied bb has a special body, that means he has 3 stomach organs inside his body.

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/shyarly-shari-shary-juuko-ten-gif-10873512952637718269

[wet heron]

I mean it mostly depends on how much juicy Oda wants the Loki v SHanks, Harald 6 years back thing to be

[agile imp]

It's also possible it's just a Davy Clan ability
Or even a Buccaneer ability

[ashen perch]

idk, we will see, I just think the main point of the flashback is resolving Harald's death and we only need to see the events leading to the death and the death itself

[glass plume]

it doesn't have to mean that, lol

[warm falcon]

i still buy the Harley Davidson theory xD

[wet heron]

surely lot happened in the castle that day and with Loki if 10 chs would suffice. we have 15 chs pending, so 1177 min

[warm falcon]

🛵

[tulip turtle]

but it would be funny

[ashen perch]

anything afterwards is not quite relevant

it can be saved for later

[warm falcon]

Harley was a D. clan member 🏍️
the Davys are Historians
thts why the Olvia/Nico/Eris connection

Harley Davy D. Son

[wet heron]

right right Arsal, I don't mind overdoing the Harald bits

[glass plume]

Oda needs a good explanation for why Blackbeard is the only one we know of who has eaten more than 1 fruit

[ashen perch]

yeah

[wet heron]

all I mostly care is for Oda to glaze Loki with him 1 shotting shanks

[graceful belfry]

Think there’s still a chance the Loki stuff could get tacked on after Harald’s death. I’d rather not get the cliff notes version, though. 3-5 chapters dedicated to it, or nothing. And I also don’t want Oda to over-extend the current flashback and make the flow of the narrative funky, so saving the Loki stuff for post-arc sounds great to me rn

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/we-need-to-hunt-hunt-hunting-bike-biker-gif-15067752599472580601

[wet heron]

this is completely ai

[leaden mulch]

I want to see shanks becoming a fraud and I'm going to be happy for the rest of my life (definitely not any kidd bias in sight)

[glass plume]

what's with the Shanks hate, lmfao

[tulip turtle]

60% of my reasoning says that it will be related to his body being different from others because that's what marco said too.

[ashen perch]

yea, the fear is that Loki's big adventures would be skimmed through like they are just a footnote as Oda tries to get the flashback over with, thats why a split works better too

[glass plume]

then that needs yet another reason, lol

[tulip turtle]

The biker of void century

[leaden mulch]

I'm a kidd fan so it's natural

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-fanart-fanmade-fan-animation-rat-gif-8332452906803125680

[glass plume]

ah i see

[ashen perch]

come back to Loki once he has the full freedom to go in depth with them, like 5 chapters atleast

[wet heron]

so whatever happened b/w Loki and SHanks after Elbaph ?

[glass plume]

when's this from 2012?

[graceful belfry]

Every time someone brings up Shanks, I’m reminded of how goated he is — and by extension, Teech

[wet heron]

something something .. cut to so anyways Shanks chained me up on the adam tree.

[ashen perch]

they are calling him Leech these days (me, I call him that)

[wet heron]

doesn't sound right amirite

[leaden mulch]

I think the person who made the gif made it in 2025 around holy knight arrival

[glass plume]

yeah, i know
i am just saying that since i've seen it like 60 times per day ever since it was first posted

[wet heron]

the only leech who literally leeches off on his subordinates is Leechmu

[agile imp]

I would like to point something out
If I am remembering my terminology correctly
Shamrock's specific style of ponytail is called a rat tail

[ashen perch]

BB is literally leeching off his own father, beyond shameless

[agile imp]

My memory might be full of shit though

[glass plume]

it's the reverse tbh

[ashen perch]

while Imu is the one being leeched off of, yea

[glass plume]

everyone is leeching from Imu

if anything

[wet heron]

#manga message

[vale gust]

Atleast hes leeching off relatives

[wet heron]

this one

[vale gust]

Unlike fraudhawk

[wet heron]

[agile imp]

Oh yeah I was way off nvm

[wet heron]

wrong

[glass plume]

i refuse to go into #manga no thanks

[wet heron]

leech is the parasite that INVADES the body

[warm falcon]

lol true

[glass plume]

not in this context lol

[wet heron]

I do not see anybody taking into Imu and controlling him

[glass plume]

we're talking about people leeching from eachother

almost everyone the WG leeches from Imu

[warm falcon]

my favorite laugh is still Catarina's

[ashen perch]

leeches dont control anybody, they are like blood sucking sponges

[glass plume]

Imu is the one who granted the Gorosei and Holy Knights their powers in the first place, lol

[wet heron]

just like u dumbass

nice try baiting me

[graceful belfry]

Loki survived out on sea for 8 years and the two must’ve run into each other, but the energy was tense so they got to it and Shanks came out the big winner 🥇 Subsequently, Loki got his ass hauled back to Elbaf and that’s when his sentence began. I highly doubt it was like, an immediate priority for Shanks to go get Loki right after Harald’s death

[glass plume]

man, as soon as you don't agree with someone you accuse them for baiting

[agile imp]

You know what I wanna know
Wtf has Bogard been doing this whole time
Bro's soloing half of Roger's crew by himself, I imagine

[ashen perch]

he was there with Garp this chapter

[wet heron]

that was for this mf ^

[ashen perch]

he is walking into the main battle, with Garp

[vale gust]

I thinks shanks fought a weakened loki

[ashen perch]

if he is ever doing anything, its now

[agile imp]

He better be
I wanna see him finally really fight lmao
It'd be so funny if we never see it though

[graceful belfry]

[warm falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/sons-of-anarchy-soa-rat-tara-knowles-the-rat-gif-15985551

[ashen perch]

if I say it enough times Rei, they will be saying it too

Marshall D. Leech

[agile imp]

Bogard would be like, the Genma of One Piece
Complete background character but is shockingly strong in-lore

[ashen perch]

just trying to manifest it

[glass plume]

?

[tulip turtle]

When will we see bogard in action

[wet heron]

so Loki escaping far into the sea and being hauled back. Yeah this might be it but then Oda had got to add these parts in, also sentences are usually with immediate effect ykwim, but since giants depend on someone external like shanks in this case I can see this happening.

[honest garden]

The bogard meme is dead

'it's not a meme' shut up

[wet heron]

for Baitsal

[ashen perch]

like 90% sure that Oda forgot he existed before he started working on the Live Action

he only started reappearing after it

[warm falcon]

oh damn that was predictable, i was silly. but its the first time i see it

[wet heron]

lovecell sounds cool.

[ashen perch]

I can imagine the conversation, Matt Owens enthusiastically telling him about Bogard and his role in East Blue

and Oda being like "oh yea, I did create a character like that once"

[honest garden]

Matt Owens is probably stupid enough to be an unironic Bogard fan too

[ashen perch]

yea lmao

[agile imp]

You know

[tulip turtle]

bogard is not even fighting fodders where is he?

[vale gust]

There are ironic bogard fans?

Smh

[agile imp]

This is kinda off topic but with how Toei loves to make Sanji look worse in the anime
I distinctly recall one scene where the anime actually made him look way better than the manga

In Sabaody, in the manga, Sanji asks Nami if they can buy a pretty lady who's being auctioned off
In the anime, they removed that line entirely iirc
For uh, good reason

[graceful belfry]

Ye, it begs the question why it took so long to bring Loki back. The Giants must’ve wanted his head to roll immediately. I’m just too much of a Shanks glazer to consider the possibility that he wasn’t able to catch Loki until 8 years later, which is why I don’t think it was a major priority for him until the benefits were greater

[warm falcon]

credits go to the user 'mailbox' too, i didnt create this alone

[graceful belfry]

Xebec was a mistake

[ashen perch]

so true

[warm falcon]

more mysterious than Imu himself

[glass plume]

Xebec should've been Buggy's father smh

[tulip turtle]

Yes, and bogard also survived imu in god valley btw

[agile imp]

Looked it up, Sanji was actively angry at her being auctioned off in the anime, while in the manga he asked Nami if they could buy her

[agile imp]

He might still be

[torn osprey]

Making him look like BB is the biggest mistake and big part why this flashback has soured on me.

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/buggy-buggy-one-piece-clown-one-piece-stampede-gif-14729569242710902360

[urban lodge]

I can't even take him seriously

[agile imp]

Real talk, if being able to eat more than one DF is a Davy Clan ability, and Buggy is Xebec's son, imagine the insane amount of clout he'd get if he ate a 2nd DF live on a Transponder Snail

[urban lodge]

He doesn't feel like a real character

[agile imp]

Buggy's bounty straight up doubles from that alone lmao

[glass plume]

yeah Xebec feels like an fan-made OC for the most part, lol

[agile imp]

People said the same thing about Sabo lol

And to a lesser extent Law

I like to think Law came up with "Surgeon of Death" by himself when he was a teenager cuz he thought it sounded hard as fuck lmao

[urban lodge]

I never felt this way about Sabo or even Yamato who are characters people said this about a lot, but I do with Rocks

He's too much, in every aspect. Too strong, too badass, too cool, too legendary

[dark nymph]

Rocks is what I thought Roger would be

[tulip turtle]

What if buggy nose is a secret weapon that wg is not aware off

[glass plume]

Xebec is essentialy what people complained that Shanks was

[torn osprey]

It just makes problems for the logic in the story. I’m convinced Oda made it so because of the impact.

[graceful belfry]

I’m mostly jesting. The current state of the fandom wasn’t in the right place for Oda to introduce a character like Xebec, who almost solely exists to prop up other characters and tie them together. It’s not even that he’s like, Chad Teech or anything like that. I just think I’d prefer the discourse surrounding this flashback more if Teech had only inherited Xebec’s will, but then again the doors for cool possibilities are still endless.

[warm falcon]

but isnt natural the captain of Whitebeard being more badass than him?

[agile imp]

It's his Super Special Nuggy Ball

It's a planet busting attack

[glass plume]

has Xebec done anything wrong this flashback?

[agile imp]

Is it possible this flashback is being told from Loki's biased pov

[glass plume]

aside from beating Loki

[urban lodge]

Well attacking Loki but his fans will say there's nothing wrong with that

[glass plume]

still crazy that they defend that

[urban lodge]

He kidnapped some kings

[agile imp]

Xebec also treated Kaido like shit iirc

Made him lick his boots iirc

[urban lodge]

And there are the offscreen events we heard about

[graceful belfry]

The One Piece fandom will have you know that he beats up a giant child seemingly pretty regularly

[icy wolf]

people that think rocks is actually a good guy are propaganda victims

[tulip turtle]

What if Buggy was on God Valley as a baby, and he used that attack that’s why God Valley was erased from the map?

[glass plume]

it's scary that it has gotten to such a degree where people will valiantly defend an act as that

[urban lodge]

This is why I say his presentation is cowardly

[graceful belfry]

Defending is crazy, but I tend to lean towards the “it’s not that big of a deal” side of things

[urban lodge]

Oda doesn't want us to focus on the bad stuff

[icy wolf]

HE MUST BE A GOOD GUY BECAUSE HE SAVED HIS FAMILY WHO ARE ALSO APART OF THE DAVY CLAN

[agile imp]

I know this is a joke but I ascribe to the theory that Thriller Bark is just a huge chunk of God Valley, and that's why multiple deceased Rocks Pirates are in Moria's army

[warm falcon]

disagree, one piece is about many shades of grey. thats why it was almost rejected the manga. its more complicated for a shonen

[urban lodge]

"Just enjoy the hype moments and aura"

[icy wolf]

im not really sure what you're saying

i think rocks is a bad guy with some redeeming qualities

[warm falcon]

good and evil, its not that dichotomistic like many mangas

[icy wolf]

yeah sure

i agree with that

[honest garden]

Rocks I would argue has definitely been portrayed as sympathetic so far

[agile imp]

How I see Crocodile

[icy wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423753593810456756/1425245872182001715/image0.gif

[warm falcon]

im used to like villains

a well made villain ofc

[ashen perch]

I think its just because its his story right now, he'll be the monster in other people's stories

[tulip turtle]

Maybe, Kozuki Moria was also getting huge attention recently. If this thing also becomes true then Moria would have a huge role ig.

[agile imp]

coughsCrossGuildgetsPlutonTheorycoughs

[graceful belfry]

Xebec acts like a pirate, through and through. Him wanting to rescue his family is relatable and obviously a good thing. On top of that he’s one of the strongest characters introduced in the manga and has a pretty cool looking design. I mean, it makes sense why he’s so popular. My initial point was going to be that he’s neither as good as some of his fans want him to be, nor as bad as people in general expect(ed) him to be

[warm falcon]

do you guys think in the possibility of the first Nika being a Mink? ( i know it can be ass at first)

[ashen perch]

its a POV thing, as we follow Xebec as our main character, we naturally feel more attached to him and want to root for him. Once hes back to being viewed from a 3rd person perspective, Oda can again focus on the more nastier bits about him

[icy wolf]

ill be open minded

[tulip turtle]

[icy wolf]

why do you think that

[glass plume]

i mean yeah he is the stereotypical "cool guy"

[warm falcon]

Enel discharging eletricity in the Moon
Minks have Eletro
they could have been slaves in some point
Monkey D. Luffy

Moon stuff

all white

sulong

[glass plume]

Enel does so thanks to his fruit

[icy wolf]

i see the connections yea

[glass plume]

i don't think there's much a connection tbh

[warm falcon]

oops i forgot the moon form tribe name

[glass plume]

what's interesting to me is that in Birka on the moon we see the patterns which Enel has on his raigo-drums

[warm falcon]

well, the civilizations could have tried all kinds of ilimited energy

[glass plume]

and it's also the same village which requires Enel's fruit specifically to charge it

[glass plume]

yeah true, though is Mink electricity the same as Enels?

[vale heath]

Electricity is electricity

[warm falcon]

plus the influence of Dragon Ball over One Piece
Goku = monkey
Ozaru

[vale heath]

AC or DC it still zappy shocks

[warm falcon]

ozaru is similar to Sulong

[warm falcon]

true

[distant vine]

This how I imagine G5 pfp's see themself

[vale heath]

We got 6 great pfps out of this chapter alone

[graceful belfry]

Ye it really is just that, as far as his characterization goes. I’m real interested in the Xebec stuff that comes before the Reverie incident, more than anything else about him really. My assumption is that the Davy Clan pass down knowledge, and that’s where Xebec got the information to even be capable of formulating the idea to raid the Holy Land to begin with. But there’s a through line to Davy Jones now that I’m expecting to be fulfilled and that’s what’s exciting for me, concerning what’s potentially left to see of Xebec after this flashback

[glass plume]

we'll probably hear more of that in the inevitable Roger flashback down the road

[warm falcon]

altho i was searching yesterday almost exclusively ab the Harley words in the dictionaries

and the slaves are not necessarily slaves.. they can be someone restricted by role, duty, manipulation, sin, society's pressure etc

the slave word there is an usual term

unusual**

[graceful belfry]

Definitely feels like there’s room for one more, big, “old gen” flashback after this one, with Roger as a POV character. Could be framed through Garp or Shanks

[glass plume]

i think it could be framed through Gaban even

but yeah Garp would be cool to see

[graceful belfry]

Word. Post-Elbaf stuff

[glass plume]

Shanks would also be cool but he didn't experience Roger's younger years

[graceful belfry]

While that’s true, I do believe that this current flashback has set a precedent for showing events that happened outside of the perspective of the character who’s framing them. I agree that Gaban or Garp would feel more believable to provide the bigger picture context

[glass plume]

yeah true, true

still funny to imagine that Loki didn't know about any of this and just went full fan-fic mode

[vale heath]

“And then Imu showed up and used his domain expansion—“

[glass plume]

Loki: "And then Xebec said nah I'd win, but ultimately LOST!"

[graceful belfry]

I really do love to imagine Loki going through all of this with Luffy and Hajrudin, and Gaban’s interjecting for the Roger/Rayleigh/Shakky segments

[vale heath]

You know come to think

Is this the first time Luffy is actually listening to a backstory

[glass plume]

part of me thinks it would be funny if Luffy has fallen asleep when we're back to the present after this

and Loki gets really upset

[vale heath]

Yeah because that, last time there was a serious history lesson Luffy slept through it in willful defiance

He didn’t just “fall asleep”, he chose to

[graceful belfry]

Pretty sure he listened to the Oden stuff when he was told about it, but other than that I can’t really remember

[ashen perch]

He listened to all of Oden's story yeah

[graceful belfry]

This spread is really satisfying for some reason

[ashen perch]

act 1 was so great

[graceful belfry]

Act 1

Man

[vale heath]

Well dang, need to reframe that interpretation for myself. Here I was admiring Luffy for not giving a shit.

[ashen perch]

yeah it flows real smoothly

[graceful belfry]

Was about to same the same thing, Arsal

[sturdy steeple]

That looks so clear…

[urban lodge]

Luffy actually only hates Nami in particular and refuses to listen to any backstories she's directly or indirectly connected to

[ashen perch]

Wano's art decline only started with Covid tbf, atleast half of it looked excellent

well, Oda's art decline in general

[vale heath]

Sakazuki art style image goes here

You know the one I don’t need to go find it

[ashen perch]

yeah I know the one

its a little unfair though because the panel sizes are different, but yea

[dark nymph]

the kaido one is elite

df eating grin

[grand flower]

Ikr

[wet heron]

I’m just too much of a Shanks glazer

Ew

[glass plume]

https://tenor.com/view/boing-slime-dragon-quest-gif-8814433233369746909

[potent pier]

So yeah guys look in #manga-theories for a new theory that just came out

[unique lagoon]

"kaido is still alive btw" - ulti

[vale heath]

I feel if Ulti knew that were true she wouldn’t be buddy with Yamato

https://preview.redd.it/for-those-saying-yamato-vs-ulti-is-filler-here-v0-e6s0476yi3of1.jpg?width=421&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afb6064fbf299a4049089db5a67e9e75847ad58c weren’t exactly allies

[amber lark]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-baby-panda-cute-baby-panda-baby-cute-gif-25500076

[vale heath]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seals-seal-of-approval-yo-chan-flying-gif-15720353218705401069

[narrow stratus]

We need more gunko

[grand flower]

This is so funny shes like “what’s the prob bob”

[woven heron]

@wet heron https://x.com/awfulowafalo/status/1977247005648023876?t=5fxrDbvCm2-4D-fE2N6FfQ&s=19

WAFALO (SHOP IS OPEN til 10/10) (@awfulowafalo)

UO UO NO MI: HYBRID KATAKURI

X · Oct 12, 2025, 5:36 AM

[wet heron]

suiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

ayo

[woven heron]

https://tenor.com/view/katakuri-gif-13267159427072454180

[wet heron]

I knew Kata would rock it

but bruh this is so cooked, Kata would have been a different beast with the azure dragon d

*df

[woven heron]

Yeah he mastered all types of haki plus he was first to awaken his fruit

Plenty of talents

[wet heron]

Kaido with the horu horu no mi I have said this already, but what if Kaido got the paw paw instead.

[woven heron]

Ursa shock Kaido

Suii

[wet heron]

yeah Ursus Bagua

[woven heron]

https://tenor.com/view/ursa-shock-gif-7986664241161560918

[wet heron]

Ursus shock battle royal at wano, tons of air based effects vs Luffy.

[woven heron]

Kaido would takes pain of Wano citzens

He is good guy

@wet heron https://x.com/Crain1Art/status/1977098814386585863?t=vbsnpJkjSof5LqXJOmjwvA&s=19

Crain Art (@Crain1Art)

Rocks D. Xebec | One Piece

X · Oct 11, 2025, 7:47 PM

https://tenor.com/view/one-peak-one-piece-one-piece-cry-its-so-peak-gif-13413926760013023520

[wet heron]

I just imagined what a troublesome ability this would be in the hands of someone as wicked as Kaido

mf would resitribute pain and suffering to okobore mfs in addition to stupid smiles and all the industrial waste

[azure wasp]

Would have successfully went to marineford

[wet heron]

yeah and with horu horu

imagine a hormone filled and all sorts of pharma crazy fight between Luffy G5 and him

it would not be unlock acoc unlock coc etc

simple clashes and bashing heads

[lofty fern]

Why does the body model look so pixelated? Like he's from kingdom hearts

[wet heron]

Luffy would be scurrying around half the time tryna figure out what's happening.

[woven heron]

Ask artist he looks hella fine

[azure wasp]

Noise filter

[woven heron]

Poor Holy Roppos

[wet heron]

some amount of glitch effect has been added I just looked closely

[woven heron]

@wet heron

[lofty fern]

Its just like his hand looked very blocky. Top half looks awesome though

[wet heron]

ai generated stuff can be distasteful at times bruh.

[woven heron]

https://tenor.com/view/there-cheer-up-buttercup-it-gif-21613666

[grand flower]

I feel like these are related

[wet heron]

[grand flower]

Ima wait to see if Viz phrasing gives us a better idea of timing

But I’ve got a gut feeling the Marine Sengoku is referring to is Louis Arnot

[final trench]

Man marked by flames

[grand flower]

Brag Men is generally accepted as a book of tall tales

[final trench]

A marine found out the truth and got made an example of

[grand flower]

Louis’ notes in Skypeia and now Elbaph are cryptic and vague

[final trench]

Now he sails, waiting for the sun

[woven heron]

https://x.com/PookiePiece/status/1977032371749990852?t=3JSiQ5Y5ODMNUhT-sZ_OpA&s=19

Pookie (@PookiePiece)

Vincent Chansard confirmed that right now, the characters he’s most interested in from the Elbaf arc are Rocks and Loki

X · Oct 11, 2025, 3:23 PM

[wet heron]

1. so man marked by flames is related to WG
2. WG controls last poneglyph or does he do that in individual capacity ie mmbf
3. but this man maybe the one who was rambling and made a vague report ?

[grand flower]

Yeah that was my first reading. They killed him. But maybe he escaped and has been leaking the truths of the world

The government successfully gaslit the world into viewing his notes and info as tall tales with “brag men”

So he became Fire Scar, preserving truth with the final ponegliff

[woven heron]

https://x.com/NoburuArt/status/1977033782374142411?t=c1ao5fLPe1IJAz75g9svIQ&s=19

NOBURU (Previously JaralloArt) (@NoburuArt)

Today in: things i'll never finish

X · Oct 11, 2025, 3:29 PM

[wet heron]

artist cooked on this 1

[grand flower]

Big Mom initiated this deal just to double cross him. Wild af

[final trench]

DEMONIC ARRIVAL RAAAAAH

[final trench]

Which is why laws face was darkened when kidd mentioned the MMBF

He knows him via sengoku

[wet heron]

isn't it confirmed the NOM NOM panel if what Oda had in mind when he drew initial silhouette of Kaido

[dapper tree]

That's just a meme

And not a really good one

Kind of a stretch

A huge one

[wet heron]

but what are the chances

deep down you believe it's true Pasta

[urban lodge]

It doesn't even look similar

[wet heron]

[grand flower]

Also because Law has a hatred for marines, maybe

[dapper tree]

I don't tho

[wet heron]

memes are just alternative representations of truth.

Oda may have started off with that baseline

[native seal]

i also think the marine that was "silenced" is still alive and is someone who's significant, possibly the man marked with flames

[proud pivot]

@wet heron what if rocks told roger to go get the onepiece in his dying moments on gv

[warm falcon]

i heard of theory he's Dragon
1 - the tatoo kinda checks
2 - wind powers - probable
3 - not with government, but not pirate either

4 - black ship checks

[vale heath]

I hear this new chapter is the best one yet guys

[final trench]

Fair, but i dont think dragon is waiting on a pirate or nun

After shiryus speculation, then this recent chapter, i think its a marine

[languid juniper]

He knew she'll cross him, thats why he pulled up

[grand flower]

That’s what I’m thinking

And that he’s Louis Arnot

[urban lodge]

Burn scar is Bluejam

[warm fossil]

man marked by flames in big 2025 lol

[grand flower]

That’s why I’m talking about burn scar

[wet heron]

so basically Roger is defacto the first mf to name the thing "One Piece" nobody knows what it is, just that's it's the greatest treasure etc .. nobody knew of poneglyphs apart from certain mfs, Rocks is a Davy and their clan is persecuted they may know of such thing. So Rocks hinting Roger towards go find the one thing to turn the world upside down / ancient tech or whatever tf it is would be cooked aF.

[wet heron]

penny pls

[warm fossil]

least cohesive paragraph I've read in a while

[wet heron]

😭

[ashen perch]

thats more coherent than the Hathor's usual actually

[wet heron]

That's more than cohesive enough, sybau bofa.

[ashen perch]

yeah see now thats incoherent

wtf is a bofa

[urban lodge]

Last seen in the burning grey terminal, never confirmed to be dead, had 12 years to get stronger

[native seal]

wtf is bofa

[wet heron]

[urban lodge]

It's my favorite new crack theory

[ashen perch]

but no, Rocks isnt gonna mention the One Piece to Roger, neither is he gonna mention anything about turning the world upside down because Roger was saying that from day one

[warm falcon]

btw what is your pfp? a friend is asking

[wet heron]

lmao what about Porchemy is he still with Bluejam

[ashen perch]

Porchemy was killed by Bluejam

[wet heron]

bofa deez nuts

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

GOTTEN

LMAOO

[native seal]

brother the only thing roger got going on for him right now over rocks is finding the one piece and yall tryna take that away from him too

[grand flower]

Yeah it’d be a terrible writing decision

[warm falcon]

the fact of Hinokizu (possibly Burn Scar) being in katakana complicates the thing

[frail kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-schrute-reference-i-dont-understand-gif-25250966

[wet heron]

I'm not gonna do u dirty as a fellow Dragon bro.

[ashen perch]

Rocks is just the shiny new toy that the fans cannot stop playing with

[native seal]

its a genuine question wtf is bofa

[ashen perch]

Roger is eternal

[proud pivot]

accept my req

[final trench]

Ohhhhh brother

[frail kindle]

bank of america

[rapid ridge]

STOP WORRYING ME

[ashen perch]

oh thhat makes sense

[rapid ridge]

[ashen perch]

thank you glex

[frail kindle]

yw

[frail kindle]

huh?

[wraith mantle]

If you run a poll right now
Rocks will place higher than Roger

[wet heron]

both of = bofa

[wraith mantle]

That’s how goated rocks is

[wet heron]

wait are u guys trollin or srs

is this r/ELI5 going on

[native seal]

mf im dead serious im not american

[final trench]

gulp

[ashen perch]

well he is the shiny new toy so sure Khalid

[wet heron]

[native seal]

what makes roger eternal and not rocks

i think rocks' portrayal is more solidifed

[urban lodge]

It's like Yamato being top 13 or whatever

[wraith mantle]

He laughed

[frail kindle]

I like rocks as a character, idc about power scaling

[urban lodge]

I'm sure Yamato would be lower now

[wraith mantle]

Gooners were behind Yamato

[urban lodge]

And hype beasts are behind Rocks

[wraith mantle]

Let’s go

[wet heron]

Porchemy will support Bluejam into becoming PK just like Mihawk dos to Buggy.

[ashen perch]

yea, Yamato will be like top 30 now at best

even thats stretching it tbh

[proud pivot]

Anyway Rocks will always place top 15

[urban lodge]

Nah I think still top 30

[native seal]

thanks for the information

[wet heron]

Rocks is top 5 easily.

[urban lodge]

Rocks will be top 30ish

[ashen perch]

Rocks isnt placing in the top 10

[wraith mantle]

I think rocks has “ace in marineford” level motion rn

[wet heron]

we had law, sabo and other mfs landing top 10 ffs.

[urban lodge]

He's too chopped to place too high

[final trench]

Ohhh brother

[wet heron]

like don't tell me Rocks ain the most hyped char rn also LOKI

[final trench]

Niggas lying for fun again

[wet heron]

they both enter top 10

[icy wolf]

harald and rocks are the 2 strongest of this era

[grand flower]

The implication with this is that you’re meant to read this as just “Hinokizu” and not as translating to anything right

[ashen perch]

theres not nearly enough Yaoi of Rocks, by my calculations he will be around top 30

[urban lodge]

I'm not even hating, it's how these polls work

[warm falcon]

rocks broke the powerscaling the first appearance, i guess there isnt much to discuss

[wet heron]

😭

[proud pivot]

Give it some time

[native seal]

okay now yall are just taking everything away from rocks because he was said to roger's greatest rival/enemy or some shit

so wherever you place rocks place roger there

[ashen perch]

eh, Its been 4 months nearly

[wet heron]

top 5 Rocks
top 10 Loki
top 20 Harald
top 30 HKs and Imu somehwere

[frail kindle]

I loved that moment between WB and Rocks at the end of this week's chapter

bro moment

[native seal]

bromance

[wet heron]

most realistic, pin this

[ashen perch]

Yamato was getting unbelievable amounts of fanart just on the same week he debuted, same with Carrot and even Gunko

[proud pivot]

You'll see Rocks yaoi everywhere by the time elbaf ends

[warm falcon]

yes, it can be misleading

[wraith mantle]

Rocks is married to Eris why you wanna yaoify him 💔

[urban lodge]

There's a little bit of Rocks x Harald

[final trench]

Niggas just wanna see goon art

Nothing to talk about

[wraith mantle]

Fr bruh

Gooners

[ashen perch]

marriage is irrelevant

[final trench]

I see where your minds are at

[warm falcon]

yaoi is the pinnacle of culture

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[ashen perch]

it didnt stop Kinemon from getting yaoi fanwork

[proud pivot]

Arsal's keyboard:

[wraith mantle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/164971940648321024/1416791282982060242/image0.gif

[wet heron]

why is number of Yaoi arts a parameter to how popular a char will be in POLL tho @ashen perch

[ashen perch]

do you know how Law made it to the top 3

[wet heron]

has it ever worked out before where u saw some correlation

[grand flower]

What do you make of it?

[wet heron]

what the g

*FFFF

[native seal]

nah all jokes aside its definitely a factor

[ashen perch]

guy has never of LawLu

I just know

[warm falcon]

im kidding many are degradating, but some are cute

[wet heron]

so motherfuckers literally spammed Law yaoi n shit ?

[urban lodge]

Ace also has a million yaoi ships and he's always in the top 10

[wet heron]

wait what

damn

[wraith mantle]

Ace has that cute band boy look

[final trench]

Freaks man

The game is gone

[wraith mantle]

Rocks is gonna dominate the polls with chopped looks

[grand flower]

?

[ashen perch]

well the main thing is that a character has to be really really hot to make it that far in popularity that quickly

[urban lodge]

Exactly

[wet heron]

I think Eustass may have tons of yaoi why he never broke top 15 then

[proud pivot]

Ace would be part of the Onepiece bts

[final trench]

For you sleazebags maybe

[wet heron]

maybe even more than Law btw

[native seal]

cause he's ass

[final trench]

Either youre turf or you’re not

[warm falcon]

tbh i dont know, i think its a difficult case. but i cant find any other meaning. we know Oda loves puns more than his wife tho.

[wet heron]

Eust-ass

[final trench]

Plain n simple

[wet heron]

oh

I see

[wet heron]

give me higher res

[wraith mantle]

I hate when my phone’s charger port becomes loose because of lint buildup

[ashen perch]

you guys have just no idea of how these popularity polls work, pray that the next one is worldwide because thats the only way Rocks even makes it to the top 30

[final trench]

Like yamato for example, i dont wanna fuck yamato, Yamatos fight with kaido and the dog zoan makes yamato tuff

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-one-piece-one-piece1041-kaido-craztic-gif-27363377

[ashen perch]

because he's being done way worse if its Japan centric

[final trench]

We’ll see bout dat

[wet heron]

THANKFULLY SHAKKY

[proud pivot]

Rocks is easily making top 15 in the next poll

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/josh-hart-josh-hart-knicks-nyk-gif-967228367501856899

[wet heron]

will make it into top 10 then

[wraith mantle]

What’s arsal yapping about now

[urban lodge]

Rocks is definitely nowhere near as popular in Japan

He's right

[wet heron]

Japanese mfs love Rocks

[fallen meteor]

you guys are very funny
learning that shonen popularity is based on yaoi

[urban lodge]

Japan likes their Killinghams and Laws

[proud pivot]

He's popular

[wet heron]

they hate Law and Kidd now

[warm falcon]

if there isnt much alternative, it only can be Burn scar... i guess Oda wont make it complicate either

[ruby moat]

Top 30 sounds about right for rocks. He’s pretty ugly.

[wet heron]

maybe they like Imu idk but no way Imu is getting into top 30

[ashen perch]

the last top 15 in Japan was

Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Law
Ace
Sabo
Nami
Robin
Boa
Rosinante
Shanks
Crocodile
Marco
Chopper
Yamato

[urban lodge]

I'm sure, but not as popular as he is in the west

[ashen perch]

Chopper aside (who is extremely cute), theres a super clear pattern here

[wraith mantle]

What year

[ashen perch]

2021

[fallen meteor]

where was BB

[ashen perch]

low

[wraith mantle]

Damm rosinante is goated

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard was like 30s or 40s

[final trench]

So niggas wanna fuck chopper

[ashen perch]

he was 72

[urban lodge]

Damn

[final trench]

Is what you’re saying

[fallen meteor]

72? so rocks will get like 40

[wraith mantle]

But anyhow I want it to be a global poll

[urban lodge]

Much lower than I thought

[ashen perch]

READ

[ashen perch]

READ

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/samurai-jack-aku-gif-8389133

Oh so choppers an exception now

[warm falcon]

its beauty scaling or popular poll?

[proud pivot]

@ashen perch which place was Aokiji

[final trench]

W goalpost movement

We love it

[ashen perch]

in japan?

[icy wolf]

shanks is the best looking dude in one piece

[urban lodge]

Loki would be very popular

[proud pivot]

The list u just posted

[fallen meteor]

guys arsal is right lol

[final trench]

I guess its a gooner poll man

[icy wolf]

and sabo

[ashen perch]

kuzan was 29 in Japan

[fallen meteor]

this is ancient shonen tech

[wraith mantle]

After this we are breaching top 10

[proud pivot]

That's good

[urban lodge]

Yeah Arsal is objectively right lol it's how these polls work

[wet heron]

Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Rocks
Loki
Shakky
Nami
Robin
Harald
Blackbeard
Shanks
Gaban
Dragon
Chopper
Jinbe
Usopp

[grand flower]

lol that’s true. I’ve seen some theories about trees and soul powers

[ashen perch]

you guys wouldnt believe where Kaku placed in his very first popularity poll

[icy wolf]

how attractive is akainu

[grand flower]

Where

[proud pivot]

Nami below Shakky is not happening lmao

[ashen perch]

9

[final trench]

In what year

[native seal]

where do yall think kuma is placing

[urban lodge]

Shakky won't even be top 30

[wet heron]

Shakky is hotter

[ashen perch]

.

[final trench]

????

[ashen perch]

that year

[wraith mantle]

In Japan? Probably 20

[ashen perch]

in his debut year

[wet heron]

70

[wraith mantle]

Kuma kinda fat

[wet heron]

90

[warm falcon]

young iceburg

[wet heron]

50

[final trench]

How wont shakky be 30 if its about attractiveness

[native seal]

wtf was so likeable about kaku

[wet heron]

Kaku @ 50

[ruby moat]

Rocks is not making top 10 bro

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-laughing-hysterical-shaquille-o-neal-gif-10827894

[native seal]

japanese peeps be liking anything

[proud pivot]

Rocks will be top 15

[ashen perch]

Kaku just needed to be considered hot and cute and likeable and a potential SH candidate, and it took him to the #9 spot

[urban lodge]

It's not JUST about attractiveness, and she's a Hancock clone anyway

[icy wolf]

gunko is very cute

[final trench]

Thats what yall are tryna argue

[wet heron]

revised list

Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Rocks
Kuma
Loki
Shakky
Nami
Robin
Harald
Blackbeard
Shanks
Gaban
Dragon
Chopper
Jinbe
Usopp

[wraith mantle]

I think if we run the poll rn
Rocks has a chance of being top 10

[urban lodge]

Hancock will still clear

[fallen meteor]

and she's female, it's harder for a female character to place well

[native seal]

obviously

[ashen perch]

in what world

[native seal]

heavy recency bias

like heavy

[wet heron]

pin this, it's correct, I think I am unsure about maybe BB, Dragon, Gaban, Jinbe etc

rest is accurate af

[ashen perch]

in what world

[wraith mantle]

Still tho beating some strawhat is no easy feat

[wet heron]

THE WORLD

[urban lodge]

Blackbeard will still not even be top 50

[proud pivot]

Don't see Akainu, inaccurate

[wet heron]

in "THE WORLD"

[wraith mantle]

What’s Imu’s ranking

[warm falcon]

all attractive men you have to disregard some things, but Akainu is another Chicken legs case

[native seal]

i think this server had their popularity poll while kuma's flashback was going on in the manga and he placed top 10

[wet heron]

but Akainu was not in top 20 right last poll

[ashen perch]

again, pray that its a worldwide popularity poll when it happens because thats his only shot at ranking super high up, but still not top 10

[final trench]

Before the flashback i had kuma in my top 10

[wet heron]

maybe Kizaru is prominent due to eggheado

[proud pivot]

Oh true

[final trench]

https://tenor.com/view/brook-kuma-kuma-attacking-brook-one-piece-anime-gif-17592459

[icy wolf]

kuma is in my top 10

[wraith mantle]

Do yall want Akainu to have a super sad backstory?

[proud pivot]

No

Fuck no

[wet heron]

I want Kuma Rocks SHakky Loki to be top 10-15 atleast.

[native seal]

wtf why not

[fallen meteor]

he was all muddy and mad when he was a kid his story will be sad as fuck

[wraith mantle]

Nigga fuck Shakky

[native seal]

a tragic backstory leadin to him being the way he is is perfect

[wet heron]

nah fuck u

shakky is great

[ashen perch]

Akainu is gonna have a tragic backstory 100000000000000%

[wraith mantle]

Shakky is mid

[wet heron]

and I know Japanese mfs like hot chars and what not

they will vote like there is no tomorrow

[final trench]

Its gonna happen

[proud pivot]

I don't want to see a sob backstory again, I don't feel anything when it shows "he lost his parents"

[wraith mantle]

Japanese gooners voted Yamato in

[urban lodge]

Hancock will still place way higher

[wet heron]

there was some countries poll where all top 10 were women lmao

[icy wolf]

in no order my top 10 is: luffy shanks whitebeard blackbeard imu garp kuma law sanji zoro

[final trench]

Theres a reason why he hates pirates so much

[urban lodge]

Shakky is just repeating the Hancock gimmick

[thin quest]

I think he'll be ordered to kill a young Dragon sometime not long after the events of God Valley and he won't have the guts to go through it with it

[fallen meteor]

i think shakky gets to like 10~15

[wet heron]

yeah no way he turned out the way he is without a sad back story

[native seal]

there's no other way to justify him having absolute justice

[ashen perch]

Yamato was ranked super high throughout the world, not just Japan tbf

[wraith mantle]

Orphan #1353

[native seal]

or was it thorough justice idk

[wet heron]

he wants to kill random marines and impose dark justice etc

[final trench]

^

[wraith mantle]

What’s ultis ranking

[wet heron]

Pirates fucked up his family bad imo, trust

[final trench]

Marineford is a prime example

[ashen perch]

Ulti was #56 worldwide

[wraith mantle]

Damn

[final trench]

It was stated multiple times the marined won yet akainu still wanted to fight every pirate

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-ulti-gif-23015717

[final trench]

Even almost killing a fellow marine because he asked him to stop

Bros getting a sob story

[wet heron]

bro was abt to execute Koby in broad daylight dawg

the lil boy was just squeaking

[final trench]

For caring about OTHER marines

[wet heron]

crying even

[wraith mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-gif-13938677232053895064

[final trench]

Agenda aside shoutout to koby man

[proud pivot]

A story like Dragon where he sees the pirates (instead of wg) do evil things like plunder towns and kill innocents again and again would be way better imo, it'll also parallel Dragon in a way

[final trench]

He isnt in this shit too blindly

[wet heron]

shoutout to lil dawg

Koby may he be admiral level post war

[ashen perch]

Yamato was #11, Carrot #8, Oden #24, Roger #29. Recency bias isnt all THAT powerful

[native seal]

who's gonna prepare you for dragon's sob story

[wet heron]

carroto is wild

wtf

[wraith mantle]

I mean rocks is surely more popular than fucking oden

[proud pivot]

Dragon shouldn't have a sob backstory too

[wet heron]

fake polls istg

[urban lodge]

Idk

[ashen perch]

wdym fucking Oden lol

[wet heron]

we need a server poll

[urban lodge]

Oden was pretty popular

[wet heron]

do it right now

[grand flower]

SKEE YEE

[urban lodge]

And also a way better character

[ashen perch]

Oden was mega popular, in every place

also true

[icy wolf]

i love oden

[grand flower]

Oden is my guy I been fuckin him forever

[warm falcon]

agree

[icy wolf]

i dont like him more than rocks though

[native seal]

you been what

[proud pivot]

[wraith mantle]

That’s what I am saying

[wet heron]

Rocks is numero uno in terms of chars Oda likes to make, Oden is there too but damn. Luffy Rocks are the types of protag archetypes Oda loves.

[final trench]

Atmost I think he’ll have a kidd situation

[native seal]

kidd's situation is getting his backstory SBS'd

[final trench]

He rushing into the holy lands blindly and he loses one of his people

[tranquil blade]

I just woke up

[final trench]

Was talking about the shanks situation

But yea that too

[grand flower]

Grand rising

[final trench]

Sbs backstory is basically hell

[fallen meteor]

the problem with rocks in popularity polls is that he shares a skin with bb

[ashen perch]

028 (8016) 023 (880) 020 (10690) 026 (33839) 016 (6824) 016 (18564) 021 (2734) 014 (1226)

Asia, Oceania, North America, Japan, Latin America and the Carribean, Europe, Middle East and Africa in that order

[final trench]

Nigga think he soulja boy 🥀

[urban lodge]

Exactly, no amount of hype moments and aura can change that

[wet heron]

I see how that can affect him but still hopeful.

[ashen perch]

everywhere basically

[proud pivot]

Bro has everyones location coordinates

[fallen meteor]

i think he can get like 20

[grand flower]

Is this your credit card info

[ashen perch]

no...

its the ranking 😭

[wet heron]

ayo translate it for us humans arsalAI

[native seal]

wtf i was almost done entering it in

[grand flower]

Post your credit card info

[ashen perch]

ranking (vote count)

[wet heron]

tf is this shit

[urban lodge]

Highest I can see is 30ish

[wraith mantle]

Rocks is easily top 20

[wet condor]

For Rocks?

[ashen perch]

so 028(8016) is #28 with 8016 votes smh

[wet condor]

Rocks is passing 30

[wet heron]

I will take what I can get, hopefully Loki Rocks atleast break 15

[wet condor]

I'm putting him 15-30 easy lol

[ashen perch]

Rocks will be top 30, but thats it

[wraith mantle]

But if we run a poll now he might be top 10

[proud pivot]

Rocks will be top 15

[fallen meteor]

i think loki ranks better

[wet condor]

If it was ran right now

[wraith mantle]

Yeah

[wet condor]

I dunno

[urban lodge]

Loki is hot so naturally

[wet heron]

wild take but let's see.

[fallen meteor]

loki can crack the top 10

[urban lodge]

People really underestimate how much appearance plays a factor

[sage temple]

The people realize his greatness

[wet heron]

depends on that supersecret parameter marin

[sturdy steeple]

I like this flashback but I’m starting to think Oda would flesh out Rocks more in his earlier manga days. We’re just hopping from one event to another.

[wet condor]

I said the other day that he could maybe even make at the number 2 spot but I was being a hyperbolic lol

[wraith mantle]

I do because I just don’t get it

[wet heron]

u need to g check allat

[ashen perch]

Loki will rank higher than Rocks for sure

[proud pivot]

Rocks doesn't look so ugly

[wraith mantle]

At least rocks ain’t fat

He’s muscular

[warm falcon]

Oden being the lowest in asia maybes says a bit: not so impressive

[urban lodge]

He's still got the copy pasted Blackbeard face tho

[wraith mantle]

Although we gotta wait for the hair color scheme

[ashen perch]

oh absolutely, we're kinda blitzing along here unfortunately

[wet heron]

when is the poll even

[grand flower]

@stone tulip @ashen perch @hot cairn are Yall starting to see the truth?

[sage temple]

I wonder why BB was born with such a wide build

[wet condor]

If it was ran right now, top 10 is a real possibility I think. Like a 10% chance is what I'd put it.

[wet heron]

this seems like a useless discussion since they rankings are gonna be something NONE of us expect.

[fallen meteor]

bb just overeats

[ashen perch]

no

[grand flower]

Sunk cost fallacy

[wraith mantle]

Rankings are heavily influenced by when the poll is ran

Inherently fraudulent

[wet heron]

when is the latest poll going to happen

[wet condor]

Yeah for sure lol

[warm falcon]

i need more blushy imu tbh

[wet heron]

apparently not acc to some mfs

[native seal]

the fandom needs to prepare for an ending where CDs get redeemed

[wet condor]

But I think whenever the next poll comes around, he gets in at top 30 no problem lol

[wet heron]

cause recency bias is bs

[urban lodge]

Lol

[wet heron]

if there is no poll this year this is gonna be futile

[final trench]

Toonforce fight

[proud pivot]

Drop worthy

[grand flower]

You wanna be in the convo so bad

[sturdy steeple]

That’s one of the reason I’m barely able to connect with Rocks. Oda gets his point across on what kind of man Rocks was but I’m lacking context.

[wet heron]

[fallen meteor]

tsuru's fruit awakened washes their sins

[wraith mantle]

Yeah agreed, might even have a chance at top 20 if poll is ran before elbaf ends