vc-manga

[meager dew]

*ragnaraku

[real flare]

it did work

[meager dew]

Dummy

[umbral yew]

Apoo is a toy now

[meager dew]

He used counter shock on big mom right?

[umbral yew]

Orochi survived Kaido

[timber jolt]

yes

[lone merlin]

Yea counter shock

[surreal yoke]

It's probably as strong as one of the scabbards attacks

[vocal echo]

law training flashback soon

[real flare]

roooooom

[umbral yew]

Luffy grew a lot stronger after Whole Cake

[surreal yoke]

Now I know why Law has such a useless crew

He just uses them as test dummies for his DF abilities

[umbral yew]

They pushed him the most there

[surreal yoke]

Coz they aren't good for anything else

[lone merlin]

Evan with the shit takes again

[umbral yew]

Evan is evil

[upbeat sand]

Forgetting Mr. 3.....

[umbral yew]

Useless

against the BEAST

[upbeat sand]

And wapol.....

[ocean acorn]

Kaidos so cute

[umbral yew]

and Condoriano

[real flare]

maybe its just where law hit him

[upbeat sand]

Who?

[meager dew]

Con D Oriano

The lurking legend

[ocean acorn]

Law can’t even scratch him

[meager dew]

[umbral yew]

You've lived in an isolated Sky Island

[surreal yoke]

lol

[ocean acorn]

Oh ye

The shield is cool

[upbeat sand]

If your referring to the UK then you are on the mark

[surreal yoke]

I mean, it stopped him from dying lol

[upbeat sand]

[lone merlin]

Kaido's progression:
Dragon
Fish
Bacteria

[ocean acorn]

Stupid but cool

[umbral yew]

OP, gtg you guys. Bye!

[surreal yoke]

He developed this technique after seeing Barto's df

[upbeat sand]

See ya

[ocean acorn]

When the covid is coming

[surreal yoke]

[cunning ingot]

bye sogeking, thanks for stoppin by homie

[upbeat sand]

[surreal yoke]

cya

[meager dew]

Bye m8

[vocal echo]

its hyrdrophobic on the outside

[high widget]

I thought it was an operating curtain

[real flare]

cy a sogeking

[surreal yoke]

nerds

[timber jolt]

-red

[lone merlin]

Law so shy

[surreal yoke]

LOL

[lone merlin]

Putting up curtains

[vocal echo]

its a plant

[north orchid]

Law will not get cancer now

[surreal yoke]

Someone edit that onto the actual attack

[ocean acorn]

Bubbles?

I like bubbles

[lone merlin]

It's literally a curtain

[surreal yoke]

LOL

[high widget]

@rough flint

[ocean acorn]

Lmao

[rough flint]

?

[high widget]

The image

[surreal yoke]

It's Oda's campaign to wear masks for coronavirus

[rough flint]

yes i know what they are

[ocean acorn]

Wait for the Heart monitor attack

[vocal echo]

its antibacterial evan

[ocean acorn]

Lmao

[vocal echo]

the curtain does jack shit

[real flare]

oda confirmed not a hack

[surreal yoke]

neither do lobsters but here we are

[lone merlin]

Unless Kaido is actually bacteria

[vocal echo]

.

[real flare]

ratio fleeb

[surreal yoke]

If he can reshape the metal that would be so badass

[meager dew]

Cringerzen (now help me ratio him)

[vocal echo]

homiegashima

[lone merlin]

Wtf is ratio?

[vocal echo]

is STILL COMING

[real flare]

"Buri |coolerest kid on the block"

cringe name

[surreal yoke]

Rip to her crashing into the Queen mama chanter

GOOD

[meager dew]

Coolerest name

[surreal yoke]

fuck em

[real flare]

cringe word

[vocal echo]

yeah but bean doesnt believe in FACTS

[meager dew]

No u

[surreal yoke]

She said she forgot that there was nothing but ocean below her

[vocal echo]

even though i think i believed in land too

[surreal yoke]

Arsal is lucky

[ocean acorn]

Ok guys I’m heading out

[surreal yoke]

I forgot to rub this in his face this week

[ocean acorn]

[surreal yoke]

I'll do that tomorrow

[meager dew]

Cya

[surreal yoke]

cya hypno

[ocean acorn]

Ping me next time u guys do this

[upbeat sand]

Yeah I'm going to head out now also

[ocean acorn]

[upbeat sand]

This was fun to listen and chat

[surreal yoke]

yeah

SUPER HOMIE

[meager dew]

Cut zeus out of the family

[lone merlin]

Replace zeus

[upbeat sand]

Also making memes

[ocean acorn]

Ye

[real flare]

get rid of zeus

nobody likes him

[meager dew]

Lmao

[high widget]

he seemed like he changed the topic but idk

[cunning ingot]

thanks for chillin dude

[meager dew]

Zeus is Leus

[cunning ingot]

goodnight

[surreal yoke]

Prometheus is enough of an asshole to ask for an upgrade

Super Prometheus

[meager dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738580480437387264/830094969791578142/l3.png

[upbeat sand]

Later

[meager dew]

I thought it was just this

[surreal yoke]

You think she's just making a storm thomas?

I think due them shit talking Zeus

[meager dew]

Yeah, the clouds are similar

[real flare]

thats what oda wants you to think

[surreal yoke]

Interesting

[vocal echo]

zeus 2

[lone merlin]

Aeolus homie incoming

[vocal echo]

thor

[surreal yoke]

I think it's related to replacing Zeus

[high widget]

Yh maybe Kaido can do CoC attacks

Bm can control the weather

[real flare]

coc homie

[high widget]

Zoro can turn into a demon

[vocal echo]

ez fats

homiegashima

[high widget]

Shanks can do all

[north orchid]

when zoro doesn't stop prometheus

[lone merlin]

[surreal yoke]

If they didn't shit talk Zeus and there wre no clouds, this is what I would have wanted

[tired copper]

What is this

Zoro slander

[surreal yoke]

I don't think she can just snap her fingers and disipate Zeus

[north orchid]

hell yeah

[vocal echo]

were discussing why zoro doesnt have coc and its enma

[real flare]

"its confirmed!!!!!

[surreal yoke]

kms

[real flare]

zeus cover story

[tired copper]

Enma storing Odens CoC would be garbage

[meager dew]

If it’s actually enma I’ll laugh so hard

[tired copper]

🤮

[lone merlin]

Hurry up already get to the good part of the chapter 😂😂

[vocal echo]

FIrestorm?

[meager dew]

But I think kaido would know the difference between zoro and Odens haki

[vocal echo]

fire tornado

[high widget]

Bm CoC ability

Control weather

[meager dew]

She might go down and grab some fodder souls

[surreal yoke]

yes

[meager dew]

Yamato

[high widget]

[surreal yoke]

cringe

[vocal echo]

adamraidwillfail

[meager dew]

Raid will end in failure

[lone merlin]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna1042856
Fire cloud

[tired copper]

Can’t wait till Morj is right

[real flare]

woah

[surreal yoke]

BM doesn't have to attack kaido to betray him

yeah

[real flare]

bm dips out

[meager dew]

Yamato fighting Big Mom's storm

[high widget]

Aii I think I’m done guys

[surreal yoke]

lol

cya folarin

[high widget]

Good night

[real flare]

cya folarin

[lone merlin]

Another hunger pang for bm?

[meager dew]

bye folarin

[high widget]

[surreal yoke]

Yo he did the thing!!

[meager dew]

Gn

[lone merlin]

"does the thing"

[surreal yoke]

stop

[gritty wagon]

later folar 👋

[lone merlin]

Ashura has become "the thing that must not be named" 😂😂

[surreal yoke]

I know where you're going with this fleeb

[meager dew]

Glad Enma got smaller

[vocal echo]

you know where im going because im RIGHT

[lone merlin]

Would be wierd if it was a foot taller than zoro

[surreal yoke]

It's jsut a swordsman thing

Same with Mihawk

[meager dew]

ye lol

[tired copper]

That panel kinda throws me off

[vocal echo]

kaido picked it up

[tired copper]

shvr

[vocal echo]

spidey sense

[lone merlin]

Oden sense

[tired copper]

No

[vocal echo]

odensense

[tired copper]

[lone merlin]

Odense

[tired copper]

No more Oden

[north orchid]

I get what you mean about zoro attacks

[cunning ingot]

yeah

[surreal yoke]

Seems to be like a samurai thing

[cunning ingot]

i don't really mind it but I do want to see a different angle sometimes

[surreal yoke]

Samurais always slice and then you wait to see who falls

[surreal yoke]

during the final attack

[ocean acorn]

Zoro...

[tired copper]

Did the Pica finisher have the same angle

[surreal yoke]

[meager dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830518429534388295/830609216141000704/32.png

[lone merlin]

Yea

[meager dew]

[surreal yoke]

Yep

[tired copper]

Damn

[real flare]

kanabo

[vocal echo]

hmmm

[surreal yoke]

He's not parrying

[north orchid]

mmm I'm sorry everyone but zoro only has large building level attack power

[surreal yoke]

Kaido didn't do an attack

[real flare]

[surreal yoke]

Maybe he was spinning

[north orchid]

[tired copper]

His eye isn’t shown

[lone merlin]

So many swords they kept crashing into each other

[vocal echo]

fuck u king

[surreal yoke]

[tired copper]

[surreal yoke]

Damn

Luffy is fucked when Kaido opens his eye

[vocal echo]

on purpose????!?!?!?!

[surreal yoke]

yeh

He's done with major fights

[meager dew]

do u guys think killer and kid can beat big mom

[rough flint]

no

[meager dew]

GLOWING EYES

[surreal yoke]

maybe

yeah

[real flare]

eh

[surreal yoke]

but Oden 20 years ago could fight 1v1 even

[meager dew]

they might do some damage and get her respect but I don't see them winning

[vocal echo]

[tired copper]

This scar is going to ache later

Ez

[surreal yoke]

Blood coming out of his mouth

[tired copper]

Finally huffing

[real flare]

huffdo

[lone merlin]

It's a typical dark souls raid

[subtle trellis]

literally seeping out

[surreal yoke]

That's gotta hurt

[vocal echo]

sdo badass

[surreal yoke]

When the raws came out

[lone merlin]

Is it bigger than Oden's tho

[vocal echo]

look at that form

[surreal yoke]

I thought Kaido was at the back

But that's ZORO

[surreal yoke]

Literally left them in the dust

[tired copper]

Damn he flipped him up

[meager dew]

I got the list

[north orchid]

People said toei forgot about that black lightning in the roger whitebeard clash

[meager dew]

I love kaido

[surreal yoke]

I don't think he's out, he's just not gonna stay on the roof

[tired copper]

[cunning ingot]

@ruby junco

[ruby junco]

[tired copper]

That list is missing tatsumaki

Smh

[surreal yoke]

He's not down for the count

[lone merlin]

He didn't

[surreal yoke]

He's just not gonna stay on the roof

[lone merlin]

My b

[meager dew]

TOP 1 FOR A REASON

[north orchid]

no I'm saying toei

[lone merlin]

Toei

[north orchid]

yeah

[lone merlin]

Yeah got that

[surreal yoke]

Orochi

yep

[vocal echo]

its his viola

[surreal yoke]

@subtle trellis

This has to be addressed

[real flare]

!worochi

[gaunt pollen]

https://i.imgur.com/je0zoKZ.png

[real flare]

he failed

[lone merlin]

Can confirm they forgot

Gonna regret that now 😂😂

[surreal yoke]

I could kill Orochi rn

It's not hard

[real flare]

nah evan you'd get fucked

[tired copper]

Can’t wait till this command is removed when Orochi dies

[surreal yoke]

I just think he confronts Orochi with Hiyori

[real flare]

i hope hiyori gets teleported off the island

[lone merlin]

Hiyori is waiting there to use her magic band aids

[surreal yoke]

The problem Adam is you think Law just sends Zoro down and doens't go down with him

[real flare]

croco asura

[surreal yoke]

I just think that's random

[real flare]

sand twister

[blazing parrot]

luffy + momo vs kaido, zoro + hiyori vs orochi

thoughts?

[lone merlin]

Man literally took perhaps the strongest attack in existence. Let him have his rest

[surreal yoke]

He only goes down at the end of the arc

when the fighting is over

Yeah enel doesn't take him out for good

He's not taken out fully

[lone merlin]

Yeah he got up from enel's zap and cut the beanstock

[surreal yoke]

That's after

[fleet goblet]

that's after

[north orchid]

artur btfo

[fleet goblet]

but also EVERYONE got up after Enel

so that wasn't a Zoro thing

[blazing parrot]

artur shut up challenge

[maiden ridge]

hachi and arlong: how is this guy still alive and fighting

[lone merlin]

He also got up after beating hachi and getting beat up to hold Aarlong off for Sanji

[surreal yoke]

Tbf

actually nvm

yeah.. Orochi

[lone merlin]

I think he also got up after an initial beating from oars to take another hit

[surreal yoke]

Sanji and Zoro vs King

Sanji fans would seethe

[lone merlin]

And then again to take the pain from Kuma

[tired copper]

[surreal yoke]

[lone merlin]

Zoro a fkn masochist

The more.youbhurt him the more he gets excited

[surreal yoke]

Archer thinks he fights King

[tired copper]

[lone merlin]

Zoro goes to fight king and sanji saves his ass

[fleet goblet]

Zoro gets up and uses his king's haki to knock out the remaining fodder.

[tired copper]

Yes

[surreal yoke]

You would need some Senzu bean level recovery to face King in time

[tired copper]

Magic bandages work

[uneven hamlet]

so zoro beats king anyway 😔

[surreal yoke]

no

[lone merlin]

What's senzu bean?

[fleet goblet]

actually the elephant in the room is jack

[surreal yoke]

nah

[blazing parrot]

I was afk for a bit cuz i was taking a shower did u guys talk about kid and killer yet

[tired copper]

Idk

[lone merlin]

Oh no my pun game is getting weaker

First yc, now you

[surreal yoke]

I disagree with you heavily

I'm sorry I just don't see Law staying on the roof

[tired copper]

Disgusting

[vocal echo]

yeeeeeee

[surreal yoke]

revolting

[tired copper]

Get Oden out of here

[north orchid]

[tired copper]

[surreal yoke]

cringe

[tired copper]

Damn it fleeb

[lone merlin]

Why flee

Why

[tired copper]

That wasn’t pinworthy

[torn spruce]

ahahah

[north orchid]

Based fleeb

[tired copper]

[surreal yoke]

the first pin of #vc-manga

[vocal echo]

not my fault no one talks here

[surreal yoke]

this is #bots 2.0

[fleet goblet]

hakium is an important source of zoro's strength.

[upbeat sand]

And it's a Zoro L meme

[north orchid]

HAHAH

[surreal yoke]

oh god

[north orchid]

HAKIUM

[surreal yoke]

nah the fan trans said the FIRST hit

LOL

[tired copper]

[surreal yoke]

It's clearly referring to Ragnarok

[fleet goblet]

yeah viz makes it's clear it was the ragnaraku

and it was explicit that kaido used the haki on it

[tired copper]

Ye

[surreal yoke]

the black trail on weapon is Oda's new indicator

it seems

[timber remnant]

Didn't Thunder Bagua when it was first introduced have black lightning?

[tired copper]

Yea

[surreal yoke]

This looks different to me

Like very distinct

[lone merlin]

Yeah

[real flare]

no....

[lone merlin]

It's more like paint lightening effec

[north orchid]

YES

[real flare]

ulti coc is the worst thing that can happen

[meager dew]

Pay pay would never be free

[real flare]

i prefer zoro opening his eye going 729 sword style on king rather than that shit

[lone merlin]

Anyways gotta prep for a meet, catch y'all later

[surreal yoke]

It does

[lone merlin]

This was fun

[uneven hamlet]

carrot CoC exists

[real flare]

cya akagami

[surreal yoke]

Luffy's natural affinity is CoC

[cunning ingot]

thanks for chillin out, see ya

[surreal yoke]

cya akagami

[real flare]

better than ulti at least

[surreal yoke]

eh

Ragnarok looks a bit different

[timber remnant]

It might be like how he figured out the Soru shit and made Gear 2

[fleet goblet]

just subscribe to my theory instead of subscribing to the modcast.

[rough flint]

King posting it when it isnt on the weapon

[tired copper]

Yeh that’s not it

[surreal yoke]

He probably didn't use it in that first Bagua

[timber remnant]

What about if Luffy used Obv Haki to figure out CoC imbue

[tired copper]

I subscribe to Zoro using CoC on fodder

[fleet goblet]

that's me just entertaining people. My real theory is Kaido thought Zoro used adv. CoC because his attack was so strong, but Zoro was clearly not using it.

[surreal yoke]

🤢

[rough flint]

this is definitely one of the 3 options

[tired copper]

[real flare]

yamato coc

[subtle trellis]

cock

[real flare]

cock moment

[tired copper]

Blunder Bagua

[real flare]

plunder bagua

[surreal yoke]

God I would die of copium overdose

[fleet goblet]

thoughts on Kaido clearly using CoC on his attack but still making contact?

[north orchid]

possible coc hmmm

[rough flint]

Thanks choc for further agreeing with me

[real flare]

odas hackery

[ruby junco]

I'll chalk it up to perspective for the sake of keeping the surprise, choc

[tired copper]

Looks like Kaido noticed here

[surreal yoke]

So then what attack did Luffy feel CoC from Adam?

[tired copper]

After he brings out Ashura

[surreal yoke]

It's pretty clearly referring to Ragnarok

with the official

[rough flint]

Almost like this noncontact stuff isnt the CoC y'all just have bad headcanon

[surreal yoke]

[uneven hamlet]

I feel Kaido would be saying something slightly different, or mention zoro here had he actually done it as well

[vocal echo]

im on the bean team

for this one

only this one

thanks

[real flare]

i love his face in that panel

its awesome

[fleet goblet]

bean's theory is a possible one as well.

Kaido has constantly made reference to Enma = Oden

[surreal yoke]

Yeah but he has said Enma

Or Oden's presence

But this time he said CoC

[real flare]

[surreal yoke]

If he really just felt Oden in this attack he would have just said the same thing

[fleet goblet]

or he's just muddling things up

[meager dew]

Well I’m gonna go now this was quite fun

[vocal echo]

mhm

[real flare]

cya buri

[fleet goblet]

btw, did I miss 1008/1009 discussions, or did you just jump straight into 1010?

[surreal yoke]

you missed it

[vocal echo]

discord cut out i think

[real flare]

you missed 1008/1009

[fleet goblet]

[rough flint]

Dw choc i didnt call you out

[surreal yoke]

I called adam out

[fleet goblet]

what was the consensus on orochi's role?

[rough flint]

hiyori meets him, and maybe zoro will be there as well

[vocal echo]

hes gonna be blacksmith on the ship

[fleet goblet]

wouldn't trust jackshit made by orochi

[real flare]

think it was like zoro kills him

[surreal yoke]

wait for Elbaf for Usopp

[real flare]

i stg if usopp gets conq

[fleet goblet]

but I think bean's point is that these haki developments don't get talked about instantly.

[surreal yoke]

I don't expect an immediate answer next chapter necessarily

[ruby junco]

^

But I was also memeing about usopp

[surreal yoke]

lol

[vocal echo]

0-4 adam

[surreal yoke]

[real flare]

he stopped touching him!!!

[timber remnant]

It's a two-step system with Adv Armament where its Emission being the first step (Contact) whereas the other one is Conqueror's (No Contact) Internal Destruction

[surreal yoke]

I think the force field around the hand is just to give the reader a clearer idea of how this type of haki works

[surreal yoke]

yeah look at the gap there

[real flare]

it looks like he hit him there but

also what does "WEJ" stand for

[fleet goblet]

world economic journal

[cunning ingot]

that's our youtube channel

^

[surreal yoke]

yeah I just think that advanced armament technique simply isn't strong enough to damage Kaido. It's too "shallow"

Whereas to actually get the big attacks on kaido, this CoC coating technique is needed

[cosmic pecan]

i thought the idea was that kaido was coating himself in conquerors and luffys conquerors allows him to penetrate the barrier.

[surreal yoke]

To give him that extra push

[real flare]

oh

[north orchid]

of course

[real flare]

omg go d. usopp!JPO!IJPOFIDJSOPI fj

[cosmic pecan]

he was just so fast we couldn't see him

[fleet goblet]

So you guys think Oden learned this conqueror's ability after he saw Roger use it? And then used it on Kaido? but I don't think there's any black lightning trail when oden used it.

[surreal yoke]

idk

[north orchid]

what's the funni characters command

[cunning ingot]

that's the trouble choc

is the art representation

[cosmic pecan]

oden wasn't using conquerors

[cunning ingot]

after all though, it WAS like 5 years afterwards

[surreal yoke]

I won't use the art black lightning trail as my main argument but like

I think it's pretty clearly being implied that Luffy is using thsi new CoC coating

[surreal yoke]

I think the point of the Hyo flashback was because Luffy came to the realization that the advanced armament technique he was using wasn't good neough

[cosmic pecan]

i think luffy was applying the lesson of advanced armament to conquerors

[surreal yoke]

It was too shallow

yeah

[tired copper]

Yeh wasn’t good enough

[surreal yoke]

yeah

yep

I think we as the audience also took that the same way

And we were wrong as well

[tired copper]

Kaido is such a nice guy for using it on Luffy

[surreal yoke]

and Yamato's cuffs

[fleet goblet]

to be fair the easiest leap is also that zoro has conqueror's but he won't

[vocal echo]

NOOOOO you cant just infuse CoC into your attacks! Youre nearly DEAD!!!@!@!@

[fleet goblet]

[meager dew]

Intellectuals talking 😩 This is sweet heaven

[surreal yoke]

I still think it's safe to assume the implication given here was that Luffy is now using CoC in his attacks

[cunning ingot]

could be

honestly, not even gonna be mad, hoping to see a good shitstorm from zorofrogs

[surreal yoke]

I would be mad

[cunning ingot]

i am one too, but I can get that it's not 100% here

[tired copper]

Oda trolling would just be sad

[timber remnant]

I think Oden didn't have what Luffy has

[tired copper]

[cunning ingot]

all that means is

zoro doesn't have CoC
but his attack was SO strong it was as if he used CoC coating

that's still hype

regardless

[surreal yoke]

That would be hype regardless if Oda didn't keep hinting that it's CoC for Zoro

[tired copper]

Inb4 Enma did all the work

[distant mantle]

sanji stans on suicide watch

[tired copper]

[cunning ingot]

[distant mantle]

yes

im sanji stan

[timber remnant]

Oden couldn't do the no touchy black lightning thing

[fleet goblet]

I'm of the opinion that if zoro did have conqueror's, the way he used it here is so unclear and underwhelming that it required kaido to expressly say it in order for the readers to identify it.

[cunning ingot]

my emote preferences got reset smh

[cosmic pecan]

luffy is fighting the strongest so his growth would be fastest

[real flare]

ha fats

[timber remnant]

Yeah that's what I think

[cunning ingot]

choc it seems very clear he does, but it's like... are we meant to think he has some special version of CoC that no one else has shown ever?

while luffy, the protagonist, uses the same thing WB, Roger & Kaido does with no special thing about it?

admittedly, that train of thought is difficult to follow

[timber remnant]

CoC imbue would be the no touchy

[surreal yoke]

The most I can use this chapter is saying what I think oda is trying to tell us

[ruby junco]

Someone post the Ulti panel for me pls

[fleet goblet]

yeah idk. I've seen a lot of people say "zoro has conqueror's 100%" based on this chapter, but there's no consensus on how it's even manifested. It's either asura, normal coc, advanced coc etc.

[surreal yoke]

yeah

[cunning ingot]

yeah idek. we need more info

[true sage]

Someone post the difference between normal and advanced Haki

[surreal yoke]

But I think at minimum, this is Oda telling us that Zoro has CoC

[vocal echo]

g2g need food, good podcast guys, and everyone else thanks for talking with us

[tired copper]

This is Kaido noticing it like instantly after Ashura but idk

[vocal echo]

[surreal yoke]

cya fleebus

[tired copper]

Cya fleeb

[cunning ingot]

i mean if this turns into CoC having unique manifestations between people, I'm cool with that too. Which is what it'd have to be in that instance

[true sage]

I need full pages to work with please

[cunning ingot]

later fleeb thanks for chillin homie

[surreal yoke]

yeah, if Zoro has something that isn't what Luffy or anyone else has shown so far

I'd be down

[cosmic pecan]

hopefully it goes like a stand route with conquerors

[uneven hamlet]

I've been wondering about that for people who think he's got the advanced, would it be that he not only has the coating but also can manifest like whole swords and arms?

[fleet goblet]

I wouldn't be mad if there were unique manifestations, I'd just think other people would also have unique manifestations, roger, rayleigh, luffy etc. As it stands, the only possible "unique manifestations" of haki are asura and diable jambe.

[tired copper]

[surreal yoke]

yeah laww

it really could be something like that

but that's what I mean

Maybe there isn't any visual indicator in what Zoro did that we are aware of yet

[uneven hamlet]

I mean I guess that's possible, but that's even further than what like Kaido can do so far at least, so I'd find that even harder to believe

[meager dew]

@cunning ingot Did you already talk about IMU and the Revolution theory?

[surreal yoke]

But I have trust in Oda and Kaido to at least realize that what he felt had CoC

I think at minimum

Oda is telling us that Zoro has CoC

It literally could be that Zoro "manifesting" arms and faces etc...

That could be Zoro's application of CoC

That's different from other things we've seen

We just don't know yet

[cunning ingot]

We're talking about chapters 1008-1010 right now, so we haven't discussed it

[meager dew]

ok

[surreal yoke]

yeah we really need more info

[tired copper]

Fr

[tame oar]

more context for what pardon i was here for the full discussion

[fleet goblet]

but idk. can you be mad if you can't even identify how zoro used it? If kaido doesn't say anything, you're not saying "this chapter confirms zoro CoC", it's just kaido's word, which may not be him sensing, it can just be him assuming. but yeah, we do need more info.

[surreal yoke]

Legit would cry yes

[real flare]

oda is such a hack for having a break right after this

[tired copper]

Oda takes his hackery to new levels

[real flare]

JUST GIVE US THIS INFO ODA

[surreal yoke]

I guess my interpretation of this line was that Kaido wasn't assuming

He specifically felt CoC

He's just in shock

But I get that's probably me just taking it differently to others

[fleet goblet]

but every time someone felt it, there's an indication of it beyond just text confirmation.

[cunning ingot]

Kaido isn't a reliable narrator

[real flare]

isn't that evans point

its like

asura is his usage of it

[surreal yoke]

I think he's more reliable than people are giving him credit for

[cosmic pecan]

wouldn't zoro have to have conquerors to become the strongest swordsman? how else would mihawk be able to face shanks on equal grounds?

[cunning ingot]

I agree evan we've discussed it too

just acknowledging the opposite opinions here

[fleet goblet]

no, he's assuming CoC was used, but doesn't know how zoro used it, and that asura is 1 possible explanation.

[cunning ingot]

cuz they're valid

[surreal yoke]

yeah I acknowledge there's a possibility

[cunning ingot]

some of them

[surreal yoke]

I'm definitely clouded by biased

[cunning ingot]

some people are just flat in denial but some of the things brought up in this chat have been very valid for sure

[surreal yoke]

Because I would adamently dislike Oda teasing CoC, and then not going through with it. If he didn't want to give Zoro CoC I would be fine with it but only if Oda didn't attach it to his name

twice now

oh yeah they are valid

I meme about Adam but he does bring up valid points

I just see it differently

[tired copper]

Wiki has him listed tho

It must be true

[cosmic pecan]

because he already developed how to manipulate his haki, he just decided to use conquerors instead of armament

[surreal yoke]

lol

[tired copper]

Lol

[fleet goblet]

Croc > Luffy's sandals

[surreal yoke]

🩴

[torn spruce]

🩴

[tired copper]

Kaido isn’t even Zoro eye level

[meager dew]

Hows it going?

What did i miss since i left

[tulip glen]

i want to give some opinions

[cosmic pecan]

too much of a spotlight on the clashing of conquerors

[surreal yoke]

For Roger vs WB?

[ornate shoal]

i thought of advanced armament and conqueror's but not advanced conquerors

[candid hazel]

I'm getting hella sleepy lmao. Nearly 4am here, I'm approaching my limit.

[tired copper]

Damn

[cunning ingot]

damn croc is sandal level

wtf

[surreal yoke]

I'll have to check my message history, but I'm pretty sure in the past I guessed that Roger vs WB was CoC clash

yeah I had no idea it was them coating

[meager dew]

Will you guys do this again?

[surreal yoke]

But I just thought it coz WB and Roger were such gods and they're CoC was stronger than anyone elses

And it was hype thing

[candid hazel]

Yeah, only thing I assumed is that the CoC was just a passive emission from the clash, not an active element.

[cunning ingot]

yeah, same weegee

[surreal yoke]

I for the longest time didn't even think there would be an advanced CoC

Or further applications of CoC

[fleet goblet]

same

because rayleigh's words actively suggested there wasn't

[surreal yoke]

yeah

[candid hazel]

You know, I now think coated CoC may have been used by BM back in WCI.

When Luffy immediately got knocked out of G4 despite BM only blocking him.

[tired copper]

Thought it was just fodder cleanup up until this chapter

[surreal yoke]

I'm still trying to think of how that Rayleigh "can't train" line is still logical and makes sense now

My guess is that this CoC coating thing is something Luffy could always do

He just didn't realize he could do it

whereas with other haki techniques

You still need to train and have them develop

idk

[candid hazel]

Maybe Rayleigh never got that far himself?

[meager dew]

[fleet goblet]

yeah idk. this is clearly some specific usage of CoC, and Kaido says "only a few powerful people can use it", which implies it's something that requires strength or some level of skill.

[uneven hamlet]

He'd probably know from roger

[surreal yoke]

Could also be that even out of CoC users, only a few of them can even use this ability

And you can't train for it

Even if you have CoC

[uneven hamlet]

like maybe he didn't have the technique himself, but be aware that it can do that

[fleet goblet]

I would... really hate that lol

[surreal yoke]

yeah, idk

[fleet goblet]

we've already seen at minimum 4 people with CoC use it. and there's like, 12 people confirmed with it.

[surreal yoke]

If you can develop this ability and train it up, it just means Rayleigh was straight up wrong

Or Oda changed his mind

[uneven hamlet]

maybe it just evolves with you like normal CoC?

[surreal yoke]

I guess potentially?

[uneven hamlet]

idk how that'd work exactly, but maybe that's what it is

[fleet goblet]

yeah, Rayleigh either didn't know, which is bullshit because he sees Roger and WB use it, or Oda changed his mind, which is far more likely because Oda said he didn't know how Luffy would beat Kaido

prior to wano

[surreal yoke]

yeah

I think any pre ts haki shit CAN be taken with a grain of salt and Oda can change it as the story progresses

[ornate shoal]

but that could also be because luffy wasnt coated in conquerors; maybe the space is when the two are coated in it

[candid hazel]

Hang on, does Kaido even know Level 3 Armament? Perhaps that's why.

[meager dew]

why are they confusing advance armament haki with CoC Haki?

[candid hazel]

Actually, scratch that

[surreal yoke]

It could just be art inconsistency, I think Luffy's line clearly referred to the attack that made him realize this was Ragnarok

[fleet goblet]

he can do it. The question is whether he will or not.

[surreal yoke]

Law staying would suck

[uneven hamlet]

It would be cool but Oda sucks 😔

[surreal yoke]

[fleet goblet]

Yamato's story relevance is the only thing that makes me think it won't be a strict 1vs1. If Yamato was resolved, Luffy would 100% 1 vs 1 Kaido at this point.

[real flare]

NikoGo

its your time to shine

you've been waiting soooo long

[meager dew]

Big Mom always being disappointing

[rough flint]

This whole chapter is just a troll for the fanbase. Zoro's CoC is from Enma and Luffy is using advanced CoA and not CoC

[fleet goblet]

interesting interpretation

[cunning ingot]

^ agreed

have not heard that

[rapid lake]

woah, guests in the podcast

[timber jolt]

i never thought about it that way

[fleet goblet]

To counter that red, Kaido may have believed Zoro. We haven't seen an unconscious application of adv. CoC, so Kaido may have believed Zoro consciously used CoC, and then Zoro said "no, I have no idea what you're talking about", so Kaido was just like "ah damn, you're just strong then"

[tulip glen]

im gonna restart my discord

im really sorry

give me a sec

[cunning ingot]

can re-add you niko

no worries

see if it's workin

[tulip glen]

oki

im back

im back

[timber jolt]

loud and clear

[fleet goblet]

Okay, the counter to this is that the SFX used on the clouds is "goro goro" which is the SFX for thunder, i.e. the same SFX used for Enel's fruit. So I think the most probable is another Zeus or some other lightning ability.

but you could just take it as general "strong storms" I guess.

which could segue into a tornado

[cunning ingot]

it'd be cool

[vocal echo]

Thor

[ruby junco]

Raiden

[subtle trellis]

Pikachu

[vocal echo]

You win

[earnest geode]

isn't it just zoro's sword that lets him slash him?

[cunning ingot]

it's definitely part of it nero

[fleet goblet]

Well, I think REQUIRING haki to hurt kaido is some dumb shit. It's just an easy way to emulate the strength required. While Zoro's own power allows him to reach that. without using conqueror's.

[cunning ingot]

yeah in theory, someone who was strong enough could hurt him without haki

it's just like, nearly impossible for people to reach that in-series without these abilities

[earnest geode]

its like they are far apart from each other and thats why they are the "strongest" of that part of the world

[meager dew]

I feel like there is a possibility Luffy is going to awaken his devil fruit.

[ornate shoal]

chopper and law will make steroids like the fishmen took

[fleet goblet]

law is a surgeon, chopper is a physician.

[timber jolt]

laws fruit could possibly do something

[fleet goblet]

chopper would be the most appropriate to do it for sure, but yeah. I don't think any of the doctors would ACTUALLY do it because it's a really dumb idea.

agreed with evan.

at best, he's fighting off fodder. I don't think Zoro is doing anything serious enough.

But the brothers at a base level are weaker than Sanji.

don't even need to join the convo 'cause red just saying everything I'm thinking.

[meager dew]

I’m always wrong on the cuts

Ive given up on the jinbei chapter being a possibility

[whole mantle]

Haha yeah, Sanji caved in Yonji's face with a single kick just to show how much of a little bitch Yonji is compared to him 😛

[meager dew]

Luffy will be doing his final attack on kaido and we’ll still have like one jinbei and ww pannel

[whole mantle]

i saw someone on Reddit the other day say that Sanji "lost" against Judge. I was like, are you reading the same manga? It was supposed to be a one-on-one duel and Judge cheated, and he cheated because he knew Sanji was abotu to beat him once he activated Diable Jambe.

[meager dew]

Still hoping for drake and chopper vs queen

But the hack won’t give it to me

[cunning ingot]

yeah, that's a little wild

not sure how someone could take it that way

[real flare]

oh no

what a horrible ending

[cunning ingot]

esp with him using human shields, which are completely against sanji

[real flare]

fucking pw4

[fleet goblet]

results based analysis. sanji did lose, but he lost for a very specific reason.

[meager dew]

Oh no not pw4

[fleet goblet]

it's like the same people who say sanji lost vs black maria

[ruby junco]

Been real guys ❤️

[fleet goblet]

bean real guys

[surreal yoke]

fuck you choc I was about to say that

😡

[meager dew]

was fun

[fleet goblet]

[whole mantle]

I would say that Judge lost because again, it was SPECIFICALLY agreed upon as a one-on-one duel by both opponents. As soon as Judge had other people interfere, he lost according to the terms of the duel

[ruby junco]

Thanks so much for coming out

Really appreciate the participation, tons of fun

[meager dew]

This was really fun

[whole mantle]

Judge is just THAT dishonorable a person

[meager dew]

I would love that

[fleet goblet]

yeah sure. Or set up a specific "chapter discussion" role or something

[undone rose]

see ya

[meager dew]

Next one will be 4

[fleet goblet]

one day I'll join in on the discussion and fats will regret allowing me to say anything because I'll make it 3 hrs of hackposting.

[cunning ingot]

[meager dew]

When i join one day i shall drop all my truth bombs upon everyone

[timber jolt]

that was really fun yall

[candid hazel]

This was hella fun.

Cheers for the opportunity, and I can't wait for the next time!

[cunning ingot]

was a ton of fun

seems like a success

[lone merlin]

It finished now??

That's looong

[cunning ingot]

this one was for 3 chapters so

[candid hazel]

CoC sandals supremacy though

[cunning ingot]

it was very long

[lone merlin]

It's what 3.5 hrs something?

Damn

[cunning ingot]

yeah

[lone merlin]

Gg

[cunning ingot]

usually it's like an hour & a half

but this time was several chaps so

[lone merlin]

It's usually at the same time?

[fleet goblet]

only thing is you guys start it too early. I was only here for the 1010 discussion.

'cause I was sleeping

[candid hazel]

RIP Choc

[lone merlin]

If they started later it would be too late for them

[candid hazel]

Imma dip. Adios!

[fleet goblet]

yeah my sleep schedule is just fucked

[cunning ingot]

yeah we in the past started it at 9, but nobody really knew about it cuz it was just on youtube

[surreal yoke]

[meager dew]

i thoroughly enjoyed this podcast but i believe there is a lack of discussion of nami feet......

[lone merlin]

I stayed awake through it, 530 AM to 9 AM, you can't match that level of fucked up

[surreal yoke]

hmmm

[meager dew]

please work on this

[cunning ingot]

can't believe we had 70 people in here at one point

wild

[surreal yoke]

70???

[lone merlin]

Not that I was in the whole time lol

[fleet goblet]

when was this stage thing even introduced? pretty cool function

[cunning ingot]

like a few weeks ago

[surreal yoke]

couple weeks ago I think

yeh

[fleet goblet]

ah

[surreal yoke]

right before april first

[fleet goblet]

[timber jolt]

stages are just one big discord april fools prank

[meager dew]

Fats what do you thinl about roux eating it

Yes

The ultimate theory

I see 7 years max

[meager dew]

Found it

[meager dew]

#manga-theories message @timid fable

https://youtu.be/rf0y08sth_8

[vocal echo]

!koido

[gaunt pollen]

“How is Kaido a Fish when he’s a dragon?”

https://koiorganisationinternational.org/blog-entry/how-koi-became-dragon-waterfall-legend
Here.

[ember lava]

I caught up with the anime what chapter do I start on in the Manga?

[gentle ledge]

@ember lava this is the voice channel chat, not sure how you got here... but to answer your question, chapter 968

the episode ended midway through the chapter

[modern glade]

@meager dew

[ruby junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISgeGp7AF-8

@cunning ingot This has me in stitches

[high widget]

Caleb city is funny indeed

[meager dew]

Basically Shanks vs Mihawk

Lmao

[sinful oak]

🍑

[gentle ledge]

@cunning ingot

[north orchid]

me to choc

[north orchid]

how do people type with this shit

[sinful oak]

[sinful oak]

LMFAO

[north orchid]

stupid ass hat

[sinful oak]

morgans

[upbeat sand]

Ah yeah I agree

[north orchid]

grizz isn't even in the voice channel

@cunning ingot

[cunning ingot]

[sinful oak]

the 2nd post

[sinful oak]

aight i gotta head out

cya boys

[north orchid]

bye marc

[sinful oak]

[gentle ledge]

@cunning ingot pika at 9

[north orchid]

fucking hack

how far out is sanjuan wolf

[gentle ledge]

@tribal oriole

[copper skiff]

https://youtu.be/LdYQeYVoQMY

[high widget]

Should be put in #promote-yourself

But other than that

Robin beam ¿

[sinful oak]

that animation is sick

[sharp birch]

!957

[gaunt pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/676496738391162943/unknown.png

[sharp birch]

!wapoo

[gaunt pollen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486983010025996299/713390248184381460/jtc8cbmo.png

[surreal yoke]

sup nerds

[misty wigeon]

hello

[meager dew]

@subtle trellis Are you talking?

[surreal yoke]

you can't hear him?

[rough flint]

yes he's talking

[meager dew]

Oh I muted him

lol

[surreal yoke]

lmao

[flat drift]

Lmao

[timber jolt]

[surreal yoke]

is bean joining?

[jaunty pelican]

what do u think about zoro

[flat drift]

We'll have our own podcast in chat

[rough flint]

bean will be here in a couple minutes

[small root]

first time listening to this stuff

[meager dew]

Bean will come soon

[high widget]

Hello guys

[surreal yoke]

[proud falcon]

well i will say hope you lot are having a great day

[high widget]

U too

[lone merlin]

ZORO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT

[surreal yoke]

she lookin nice 😋

[high widget]

Doesn’t exist

[lone merlin]

His character develops in cover spreads

[vocal echo]

@delicate garden let me know if you still cant hear anything

[surreal yoke]

LOL

[high widget]

Yamato and carrot

[lone merlin]

He smiled in the cover spread, that's character development

[small root]

i always imagined fats with red's voice and red with fats' voice now that ive heard them lol

[high widget]

Yh

At the bottom

[surreal yoke]

this is the first time you've heard them earl?

[lone merlin]

In my head they always sounded like Dumbledore and Gandalf

[small root]

i havent been in a vc here in like 2 years anything i may have heard i dont remember lol

and ive never talked

[high widget]

Earl shy

Earl why

[serene condor]

I think the reason why it is Hera and a female is because how Zeus and Hera are in greek mythos

[small root]

[devout hawk]

hold up, isn't Hera tecnhically their sister?

[high widget]

Yes

But

[lone merlin]

She is sister and wife is Zeus

[serene condor]

and wife, but hera has always shown to be jealous of zeus too

[lone merlin]

Noooo

[serene condor]

or angry i guess

[misty wigeon]

yea

[lone merlin]

Hera is a faithful wife but Zeus cheats on her like 5 million times in greek myths

Zeus doesn't exactly dump her ever

[misty wigeon]

just as the All Father intended it

[jaunty pelican]

I hope the anime doesnt stufff up animating supernovas vs luffy

i want a fast paced fight

[high widget]

Hmmm okay

He might be behind Zeus

[surreal yoke]

told you

[high widget]

Meaning close to big mom

[high widget]

Yes

[small root]

law going because of "his own decisions still" lol

[high widget]

Lol

True

[small root]

rolls eyes at law

[lone merlin]

Law just wanted to go somewhere where his help was respected

[high widget]

Yh

The question