manga-theories

[loud mountain]

just because it happened at the same time idk

[celest comet]

ok this theory is about Koby... So

1 of the admiral prob kizaru the annoying speed of light garbage, yeah that guy will prob get killed by blackbeard or the revo army and then Koby finds a df the Mythical Zoan God Of Forest Model: I forgot the name my brain 💀 .... Ok so once he ate the df he would take around 40 episodes/80 chapters maybe to master its power or even 2 years of one piece.. after that he gets the role of the admiral and encounters luffy. after that the theory ends ig.

[chilly swan]

i feel like luffy or specifically Nika Nika no mi is uranus

[static mortar]

i sure hope not, poseidon comes from the sea, pluto is the underworld ( kinda like nuclear weapons i imagine ), uranus is the god of gods ( i imagine a devil fruit or a weapon to rule over devil fruits, if one wants to see them as godly ) or of the sky, so perhaps eneru awakened or something ( he is kinda of a god and i'd love to see him back )

[violet ether]

at the end of one piece luffy will most likely die because he has achieved his goal

[fiery pelican]

Sorry if this doesn’t go here I’ve just been thinking of something speculatory and wanted to shoot it some fellow op fans. So I’ve seen a lot of talk on if kaido kicks the bucket somebody will get his fruit. I’ve seen a few theories on who would potentially get it but that’s not what’s important. What I’m wondering is with the confirmation of zoans having a will of their own would the new wielder of the fruit know or maybe even be afraid of luffy? If it goes into a sword like I’ve seen others theorize would it know the straw hat crew and react?

[static mortar]

no way, no one ever dies in one piece, i'm hoping epilogue with little boas and monkeys running as grandpa dragon and greatgrandpa garp are drinking in windmill village

[hard cave]

Theory: Dragon x Imu

So Oda likes to use Greek mythology names and name them after related abilities characters for example ( Zeus lighting cloud) or (Prometheus flame pet).

Now this is where things get interesting, We know that there are 3 Ancient weapons in One piece
Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus.
We know that poseidon is the mermaid princess ( control seakings).

In Greek mythology Gaia is mother of earth, creator of fruits possibly? ( hence Imu)
And gaia was a wife to non other than Uranus, GOD of the Sky ( Dragon because raingod fruit skypiea topic). Uranus is also a ANCIENT WEAPON and explains why dragon is most wanted.

And lastly Gaia (Imu) and Uranus (Dragon skygod)
Had a child which is the Sun god all based on Greek mythology.

What yall think

[violet ether]

maybe

[static mortar]

now, as swords ate fruits what if luffy's hat ate a fruit heheh

[static mortar]

the more the story goes the more mystical that strawhat seems, like, there's not even swords with as much backstory or mystery

[sand sail]

THIS CHANNEL IS FOR THEORY DISCUSSION.

[boreal perch]

heard this one i like it. conclusion he most wanted for smashing mother earth

[agile widget]

Kizaru slander won’t be tolerated

[agile widget]

That one brother in Christ who don’t play about channel rules

[manic relic]

Is absalom devil fruit detectable with observation haki?

[pure raven]

Probably

[pure raven]

Absalom 💔💔

What do you guys think about Gura Gura no mi being the fruit that resembles a earth god or whatever? I’ve been reading about Gaia / Gaea the goddess of the earth / mother nature from greek mythology and she has somewhat similar abilities and is able to control the whole land to her liking etc and causing earthquakes and what not. It doesn’t make sense that someone can indirectly control tectonic plates with a devil fruit. Eg when we compare Laws fruit or something which can manipulate surroundings, the area in which he is free to manipulate is extremely limited and has to be in contact with his room otherwise nothing happens. Fujitoras fruit, he can magnify the gravitational pull in certain areas in which he is in contact with he can’t randomly magnify gravity wherever he wants etc. It’s a weird ability the gura gura no mi

Like what I mean is that the typical paramecia to use the ability you have to be in direct contact with whatever your ability represents or in a similar surrounding. But apparently Gura gura no mi can summon tsunamis islands away and summon earthquakes anywhere

[late pier]

Wano is not a land-locked country. A land-locked country is a country that is completely surrounded by land; Wano is an island and is completely surrounded by water. Its the exact opposite of land-locked.

[late pier]

I would say yes. I might be remembering wrong, but when Ussop used it to fire that long ass snipe, he saw them through the wall, which would mean that actually seeing them isn't needed to know where they are. I would guess that in a similar way you could sense where absolom would be using obeservation haki.

[quaint frost]

sabo and vivi might be going to luffy

[pliant knot]

Pretty decent theory tbh

[rain root]

Which warlord do y’all think got captured

[unique isle]

I thought it was interesting. Akainu devil fruit is volcano. Volcanos make island. Can his fruit be used to make more landforms in the OP world?

[modest skiff]

@faint plinth @sterile charm fight predictions go in the manga channels please

[bright coral]

interesting

[maiden wyvern]

Buggy and/or Boa Hancock

[desert obsidian]

Well, im pretty sure the only zoan we have seen with a "will" is luffys fruit and it tried as hard as possible to not get caught by WG for the 800 years. Maybe joyboy found a way to implant a "will" into a devil fruit with another devil fruit or just conquering the devil fruit. We dont really have enough info to have concrete evidence that all zoans have a will

[tiny ocean]

Break or no break next week?

[desert obsidian]

ask in #manga or #also-manga next time no break next week next break after 1049 i think

[tiny ocean]

wrong channel by accident.

[pastel adder]

usopp is most useful straw hat

[uneven shale]

What if shakki is luffy's mom

[modest skiff]

!theories @pastel adder

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[uneven shale]

I'm not joking though

[stable lintel]

Is there already a theory that the devil fruit Strawhat users won't be able to land on Raftel?

Cause Buggy who was maybe the sole devil fruit user got sick before reaching it. Perhaps there's a curse or something that prevents devil fruit users from approaching the island. The devil inside them.

[robust nimbus]

i don't think there is enought to assume that, i think buggy getting sick was a tool to make sure shanks (as well as buggy) had not been to laught tale, maybe

[stable lintel]

But it seems like a big coincidence that the only devil fruit user gets terribly sick for no reason, just as they're about to reach such an important and mysterious island. Sure, shanks stuck behind because of it but other than that, it could be something to look into.

[modest skiff]

It is a common thought for people to bring up, but part of the issue with it is that we don't really have any idea who did or did not have a devil fruit. As an example, we didn't know anything about the BM crew's devil fruits until WCI. We didn't know anything about Kaido's crew's until Wano. We know that Rayleigh doesn't have a devil fruit since he swam to Marine Ford, but we don't really have a lot of info. And since Buggy got sick so far in advance, it is hard to believe it had anything to do with raftel.

Honestly though I would say with all the language we have around devils being the enemies of the gods and the Nika fruit being a threat to the WG, it feels unlikely that Laugh Tale would be in some way anti-devil fruit. If Nika is some sort of liberator who fought against the WG many years ago, you'd think they wouldn't be banned from Laugh Tale

[desert obsidian]

Im pretty sure when roger went to laugh tale buggy hadnt eaten his chop chop fruit yet, i think it was some time after roger returned that he ate his chop chop so i assume it was just your average seasickness

[chilly swan]

hmm, it's very unlikely that it's gonna be enel. for me it's either gonna be the nika nika no mi or blackbeard's DF. the reason i think it's gonna be luffy is cause this theory goes perfectly with the theory that pluton is gonna destroy reverse mountain, shirahoshi is gonna destroy the calm belt by controlling the sea kings, and luffy is gonna destroy mariejois in his last fight just like how he destroy everything in previous fights creating the all blue.

[faint plinth]

I agree with @uneven shale that Shakki could be Luffy’s mom

[uneven shale]

Yeah and then people thought I was joking but they're similar in allot of ways and Shakki seems to have a motherly attitude towards luffy

[static mortar]

ye what u said sounds very good especially the all blue being created on where reverse mountain lays ( which would make a great deal of sense and kinda cool as baratie would be right beside it almost hehe ). I'm mostly going narrative-wise as in the 3 weapons being all external to Luffy's control more or less so that his actions are not confined to fate ( as the joyboy story already seem to be creating a story-repeats-itself kinda trope ). Also there's shirahoshi so there's already a weapon that is a person so i'm leaning more in the 3rd power being an awakened devil fruit or a monster the size of zou and i think they link to strawhats in some way ( maybe as a way to control them and? Maybe the lost kingdom used to wear strawhats and the defender of the kingdom would recognize a D that wears them... i dunno ). I'm basing it more on avoiding redundancies in the story ( uranus can't be another person ) and to break what i feel are the shackles that are forming with Joyboy and luffy similarities

[chilly swan]

damn, ok, i totally agree that uranus is gonna be somekind of DF, and luffy aka joyboy being the general do sound good narrative wise. Another thing basing my theory other than the mirroring or foreshadowing from the past, i also based it from that one pic where there are 3 symbols drawn being an island, whale, and a sun. assuming that those three represents the ancient weapons and not some clue towards laugh tale, the nika nika no mi being uranus will seem plausible. there's also that giant straw hat and that giant fist luffy made from thale last manga foreshadowing giant luffy. but then again i do agree with you, joyboy seems better as a controller rather than the weapon itself.

[static mortar]

Oh, I hadnt thought about the 3 symbols. I'm sure Oda will surprise us both

[pure raven]

So recently I read power structure of samurai society in which first comes emperor then shogunate, daimyo, samurai, peasants but wano have a missing EMPEROR, kozuki are shogun of wano not emperor. Their is a probablity that 800 years ago wano also had an tyrant emperor who then was replaced by joyboy (since he was well aquainted with ancient writing and his straw hat seems to be linked with wano "amigasa village" it becomes high probability), because if we see other countries which seems to be associated with joyboy (ancient kingdom) had their respective leaders
Like nefertari of alabasta, posidion of Fishman Island, mink of Zou ect. Or it can be totally different thing like land of wano was a sub part of a totally different landscape which was moved to a different location to preserve what was remain of wano it may sound absurd but witebeard's reaction when he arrived at wano gives my statement some weight, their is another point which connects golden city of shandora and wano that they both were hunted for their gold, the difference in culture between them is vast but what if they were part of same land once but separated

[pallid kite]

You can eat half a DF and eat a different half of a DF to gain 2 DF powers.

[slate mirage]

what if you eat from two devil fruits at the same time?

you'll probably just die

[weak bridge]

Zoro will kill kaido 🙏

[valid grove]

Ya'll have theories who prince loki of elbaf is?

been curious about elbaf since dorry and broggy

[stoic fern]

Why would Uranus be a df. People seem to forget that they said that joyboy is the only one who could can properly use these weapons

• that means it can't be something scientific like a spaceship. It has to be something that requires luffy to make work properly

[pure raven]

One bite is all it takes "doesnt mattter whether it be mouthfull or just a little bit" of df to gain the df power

[pure raven]

Better make a shake of 2 or more df in order to consume both the df at same time

[stoic fern]

God valley was in the east blue. This was the motivation behind garp and roger going there to stop rocks. He had the intention to control/destroy or conqueror the east blue.

Garp is always saying the east blue is a symbol of peace. And explains why they worked together

People just assume god valley was an island just a mile before laughtale

I highly doubt the wg would put an island so vital to them where they go often in the strongest sea or a sea that dangerous

[timber silo]

God valley was where the celestials lived iirc

[stoic fern]

No mariejois is where they live. God valley was a location they go sometimes. Mariejois is their home

[timber silo]

fair enough

[static mortar]

i don't remember that being said other than getting the help or helping the poseidon of his age, maybe i'm missing something

[gaunt urchin]

one of the strawhats will die, possibly zoro

[stoic fern]

Otohime the one who revealed her powers. Said that there was once a man in the past who guided the mermaid princess as to how to user her powers

[static mortar]

that's a vague statement, could have been a moral guidance more than an actual one, shirahoshi power seems to exist due to the sea monster recognition of it

[high holly]

What if momo has the voice of all things because his mother is from a period when everybody had it and this ability was later oppressed by the celestial dragons?

[opal grove]

no cause Oden got too

[wet kayak]

kaidou is going to defeat luffy imo

[pure raven]

mr morj moment

[fathom matrix]

I bet Luffy and Kaido will finish it in base form

1 final clash, maybe red hawk but Luffy remembers ace and it's red hawk vs thunder bagua.

The attacks breaks through the kanabou, we get a kaido flashback in that chapter or 2, then the last spread is kaido getting punched in the chest

Kaido falls and then it's announced "Luffy vs Kaido, winner: Luffy"

[glacial vessel]

why will he remember ace tho kaido never met ace in his life

[fathom matrix]

I meant Luffy remembers ace. Maybe he thinks about how he came to wano and never got to keep his promises to tama or yamato, and like how called out pedro's name when he was dying, it might be just a will thing like "give me strength" for 1 final move

[glacial vessel]

i dont think that luffy knows about ace's promise to tama and yamato maybe i don't remember it

[fathom matrix]

No, Luffy does remember tama's for sure and I'm sure when yamato was talking to Luffy about ace, she mentioned that too

But I think the ace memory might be like Luffy's out of steam, and the memory of his brother and the country he came too is just enough for him to get that final push and give it all in for 1 last red hawk

[dawn jetty]

he knows about tama's promise and that yamato know's ace

not sure if yamato ever said anything about the ace's promise tho to luffy

[fathom matrix]

I just hope we don't get another red bean soup flashback, but I have a feeling we will

[warm edge]

ugh

[lunar shell]

Who doesnt like red bean soup fb ?

[polar jungle]

Kaido is gonna kiss Luffy

[pure raven]

My theory is: The giant Straw Hat actually belongs to Zunesha the elephant and not Joy Boy

[lunar shell]

Or maybe he belongs to the rain god : Imu

Its a blue strawhat after all

[regal vortex]

Best theory so far

[pure raven]

luffy eats rumble ball and destroys elbaf

[abstract pond]

The hat should be a lot much bigger for that

[regal vortex]

Fishman island

[haughty shale]

remember, zunesha is like 900 years old so he was definitely smaller back then

[pure raven]

Yeah, what I meant was the original owner should've been zunesha when he was smaller

[abstract pond]

I don't know how small are that species when they are young but the hat is the size for someone like Big Mom

[static mortar]

strange no one said Kaidou is sent flying by the punch out of the manga and starts rampaging across japan

[static mortar]

the whole zunesha having a kingdom on its back though is kinda weird, the whole zou arc kinda implies the kingdom is as old as 800 years so it must have been already big enough to hold it since then. Probably someone just took an island and put it on its back, maybe Joyboy as part of the punishment?

there's so many questions i can't believe Oda when he says he'll manage to finish teh story in 5 years

[sand sail]

Zunesha's had Zou on its back for 1000 years

[sand sail]

That's not a thought for this channel

Theory talk guys, not small talk.

[fathom matrix]

I just realised, they said "they think the germa came to chocolate town"

It could actually be the Germa in disguise to save their siblings, or it be a case where they see some rough silhouettes, turns out it's 2 BB crew members

[primal cargo]

I think Orochi is not dead :

• Scene was too brutal to lead to a serious death in this child-friendly manga
• This death does not thematically achieve anything more than the previous one, a "final" death should be remarkable in some way
• The story thread of Orochi and the Kurozumi clan isn't complete. Orochi's role as a gear in the unending circle of revenge has not been adressed. As everybody knows, revenge cannot be resolved with killing.
  It would be much more fitting to have Orochi survive, and have the people of Wano address him as what he is, confront him for his actions, and call him out on how he used the pretext of family revenge to take from people for the sake of his personal benefit.

• Seeing how he was beheaded in his human form (the first time) and it still only cost him one serpent head, it makes more sense to assume the serpent heads count as one extra head each. Therefore Orochi has lost all of his extra lives and should now be back to normal.

[autumn mulch]

I dont understand the too brutal part hes been beheaded many times
Also its pretty remarkable cause of the flaming snake thing, also Denjiro appearing, plus iirc this is how the Hydra died, its head was cut off and set on fire so the flames would cauterize the wound preventing new head growth

[bold fractal]

anime is a cartoon bro

[primal cargo]

I mean those other times it wasn't a real death. This one is the same is what I'm saying

[jade silo]

Is it actually blue in the official manga coloring?

[autumn mulch]

Imo he should die now as its a perfect parallel to Hercules and the Hydra, but with Oda and his reluctancy to kill people sometimes we never know

[fathom matrix]

IDK, gotta be frank, he just needs to stay dead now. Cause it was annoying when Kanjuro didn't die too. Cause they spent so much time saying he was on death's door but managed to pull 1 last trick

[primal cargo]

Well I think Kanjuro is dead for real

[autumn mulch]

Kanjuro is probably dead, and I do think now is the time for Orochi to die too, to end this whole revenge business of the Kurozumis and cleanse Wano of it

[primal cargo]

At the very least we need something to resolve the revenge plot thread further than "welp they're all dead now so it's all good"
If as a theory says Tama is revealed to be a Kurozumi, that could provide that as well

[autumn mulch]

Its pretty well resolved cause in their revenge plot they ruined Wano for 20 years, and now they are defeated, how much longer should this run?

[fierce shale]

I kind of have a theory that when the WG said the nika fruit has a ridiculous power…Oda was planning to include all the crazy fan theories about the devil fruit. If you think about it, we had giant Luffy, sun wukong reference etc. Maybe Oda is planning to add more in future chapters 😅

[primal cargo]

No, I don't think it is, because (especially in stories) revenge always leads to more revenge.
Orochi and Kanjuro's revenge started because they were persecuted by people who wanted revenge themselves.

[lime stirrup]

I wouldn't agree that justice is revenge. The orozumi clan was punished for attempting to take over Wano, which they eventually did.

[paper barn]

Hear me out guys, This is not another "Buggy D clown" joke theory:
What if Buggy is actually strong, and alongside with Shanks they are the "executers" or maybe "implementers" of Joyboy's will? With Shanks in public and Buggy in the shadow?
I'll divide this into a few keypoints:

1. Buggy's fruit was obtained by Roger pirates after a battle with another ship at sea. (Just like Shanks obtained Nika fruit). The fruit strength might very well be hidden just like Kanjuro hid his.
2. After Roger's execution, Buggy decided to settle in East blue.
3. Buggy was the very first serious enemy to Luffy in the series. Was Buggy actually waiting for Luffy all those years?
4. Maybe, Just maybe, when Buggy was about to cut Luffy's head and right before Dragon smited him, he was about to use Awakening on Luffy and not actually cut his head? kind of like what Law did to Vergo in Punk Hazard).
5. After East blue saga, Buggy heads straight to the grand line(after spending decades in East blue). After that, we see him meeting Ace. My guess is that Ace told Buggy about his relationship with Luffy. This is important because the very next time we see Buggy is in Impel Down. Buggy knew Luffy would try and rescue Ace(If he is familiar with Joyboy's will), so he went to Impel Down to assist Luffy.
6. He succeeded pretty well with assisting Luffy if you ask me, and was even used as a shield against Mihawk in Marineford. (So very coincidentally right when Mihawk was testing Luffy's "dance" with fate) Now he is in the New World, and his storyline is far from over.

Well there you have it, my evening thoughts...

[wintry acorn]

Buggy the mester mind behind the whole series ?

[heady parrot]

idk i think it’s funnier if he’s just failing upwards.

[pure raven]

yo guys i have a theory

idk if anyone said it before and i havent heard anybodey thalk about it but what if zoonisha is a human with a zoen elephant fruit

but he cant turn into his human form becouse of some seal or other thing or idk what

[fathom matrix]

I swear to god, Kanjuro better not pop up at the last second, stabs Kinemon in the back and goes "This was my final act"

[wind flame]

I think its a normal elephant with the island fruit

[earnest wind]

i swear if i wake up on tuesday and check spoilers and luffy has not but kaido into a packatwch i swear to god, but prob some bullshit bout to happen and the fight not gonna end here and have somthing to do with zoro (cuz emna) just some how

[sand sail]

@earnest wind That's not a thought for this channel, go ahead and read the channel description and throw that in one of the manga chats

[pure raven]

I think during Elbaf, Ussop is definitely going to become the "Yassop" of Luffy's Crew, I think he'll be much more stronger with muscles, and improve his haki and become more braver rather than running and lying.

If you compare The Straw Hats with The Red Haired Pirates there's:
Shanks - the captain of the red haired pirates
Ben Beckman - the firstmate of the red haired pirates
Lucky Roux - can be compared to Sanji
and then there's Yassop, an incredibly powerful sniper

In Shanks crew the 4 of them seem to be the strongest while in Luffy's crew there's 3 (Luffy, Zoro and Sanji) I think Ussop will get his arc to shine and become truly a powerful sniper and warrior and head into the big 4

[barren fox]

How and why? Usopp showed his new muscles after time skip then proceeded to be 10x more cowardly than before. And he never fought anyone without sniping them. Post time skip

[pure raven]

He says he wants to be a brave warrior of the sea in elbaf so hopefully they teach him and he becomes brave like the giants

[barren fox]

So... There is something that the giants are afraid of but usopp isn't. Like bugs or the sky falling down

[pure raven]

But basically what I'm saying is Elbaf is Ussop's arc to become strong (possibly stronger than eventually Yamato when she joins the crew and Jimbei)

[barren fox]

Lol usopp better get some crazy weird invention then becauee he's like the batman of the crew. No superpowers to save him

[lapis prairie]

I think they'll be a Davy beck fight between both crews and Usopp will lose to his father. He'll then have to do something great in the last arc as a sort of redemption.
He's also for sure gonna get captured in Wano

[lilac marlin]

it said it was a curse of only being able to walk for all eternity so that could have something to do with it?

[weak wave]

I have a theory that Rocks D. Xebec is Monkey D. Dragon. To address the obvious, he is the son of Garp through marriage. Xebec had a relationship with Garp’s daughter, and Garp most likely did not approve of his daughter being with a pirate.

While still shrouded in mystery, the God Valley incident put Garp at a moral crossroads. Xebec and his crew posed a threat to the World Government, but his daughter wouldn't forgive Garp should anything happen to Xebec. These stakes left Garp no choice but to team up with Roger. The events that followed resulted in Xebec being known as the “World’s Worst Criminal”.

To save Xebec from judgment, and probably death, Garp advised him to take his name. Xebec’s face would have been recognizable so he got himself a face tattoo to hide from the world. Though he didn't completely drop his ambition to bring an end to the World Government. This could be the reason why he traded the name Xebec for Dragon.

At least that’s my theory.

[sand sail]

I have a theory that Rocks D. Xebec is Monkey D. Dragon.

Dragon's in his 50's and God Valley happened almost 40 years ago

[coral siren]

Wait, if the marines prevent pirates from going to the last island, then cant they go to the last island themselves perhaps and then steal the treasure so that pirates wont be able to find it? OR what if they've already done that and they just fooled pirates that it still is in the last island and they jsut want to arrest every single pirate?

[weak wave]

Maybe that's the purpose of Lodestar Island, to fool pirates...

[pure raven]

Anime confirmed shanks is the only one not smiling

[weak wave]

Luffy’s fighting a Dragon and he’s not even twenty yet. Xebec could have been young and powerful

[sand sail]

Not likely in that way, no. Xebec wasn't just strong, he was strong enough to command the respect of future Emperors. A ~15 year old isn't going to be doing it, Dragon just can't be Xebec.

[pure raven]

also does anyone think that the one piece is like the dragon scroll from kung fu panda? where it's literally some sort of stupid metaphor like for example: friends are the real one piece or some sort of shit like that?

[modest skiff]

!theories @pure raven

[lone hedge]

Please refrain from using #manga-theories for joke theories, casual chit-chat, or low-effort memes. This channel is for serious discussion- please read the channel description.

[coral siren]

This is anime but I'm pretty sure this is in the manga aswell. I think this foreshadows Black Maria

[pure raven]

I'm pretty sure there's a door or a gate or some sort of puzzle needing to be solved and that's it's soo hard no one was able to solve it

[coral siren]

I think that puzzle is the Poneglyphs lol (theyre very nicely hidden in different islands that may also be hidden)

[hallow spoke]

Anyone think luffy is gonna grab that huge sword in wano?

[coral vine]

me

[pallid kite]

Usopp will get some sort of new tech that can turn him invisible to add-on to his sniper arsenal. Like Sanji’s hero suit.

[elder valley]

Yeah you also have to take into account their wills
Luffy has always had the will of a future emperor from the start

It takes a guy charismatic af to draw all those guys with their huge personalities and so contrasted aswell

Like the dude had guys with values like wb and then guys with values like shiki

Xebec must have been the ultimate bipolar specimen

[pure raven]

Shanks and Elbaf are linked in someway:

I've made this theory before in the past, for those who didn't hear about it, my theory is Shanks has some sort of connection to Elbaf because..

A: His ship is very viking-like and Elbaf is known to have giants with traditional viking attire

B: In the remastered episode of Windmill village (Luffy's backstory), Shanks is seen on the end of an island which looks similar to Elbaf if when Big Mom was abandoned at Elbaf during her backstory.

C: We know that Kaido takes control of wano, before we knew what wano was, it was hinted towards at by Kin'emon that it was a legendary samurai place which seemed cool at the time that no one really paid attention to until the truth was revealed. I think with Elbaf it would be hinted towards at and maybe an emperor like Shanks lives there as Blackbeard seems like he'll come later on and Big Mom takes Whole Cake Island (of course)

Shanks is a mysterious guy, it would be interesting if he was based in Elbaf, I do not see any hints towards any other special islands in the new world. Especially since the next Arc is most likely not an island but back to marineford again to find out what happened to Sabo.

[brisk mirage]

Oda won’t give two people in the crew the exact same power

[quaint frost]

ussop wano dispoants me ever other sh had one great moment ussop had none

[royal spruce]

Alright ladies and Gents time to try and figure out who the 5th Daimyo in Wano was, all we got for a hint is their sword hilt. So its not fujitora

It seems slightly flame Shaped (by that i mean lopsided) which may imply to be hyogoro’s but idk why he wouldn’t be shown. Alternatively the blade could be a cousin to Shisui (but definately not Shisui itself)

[reef snow]

I believe that the last chapter of one piece will go like this:

1. Blackbeard finds the One Piece and becomes Pirate King
2. The WG decides to end all their targets in efforts of stopping information of the Void Century
3. The Straw Hats join the BlackBeard pirates to stop the WG from stealing their freedom (which both value)
4. After the collapse of the WG the final battle beetwen SH and BB starts.
5. The Straw Hats win, claim One Piece and most freedom among all groups in the world, Luffy becomes the undisputed Pirate King.
6. End

[steady prism]

Imo, there is no 5th samurai. It is most likely owned by one of the 3 Damiyos of Ringo/Kibi/Udon. This is because the same sword with the same tsuba (sword guard) can be seen in Yamato’s backstory in chapter 1024. My belief is that sword was unsheathed by the Damiyo of Ringo. Interestingly, that tsuba is pretty significant to Wano’s history.

[sullen sparrow]

What if Rodger was actually really weak but just had some unbelievably strong devil fruit just food for thought

[median hemlock]

no kaidou already confirmed that roger doesnt eat any devil fruit

[sullen sparrow]

Ya but would kido know because Rodger may have just fought him without his fruit

[median hemlock]

...

[pure raven]

When do u think bon chan's gonna return

[sullen sparrow]

Only at the end of the story

[scenic creek]

In Elbaf. Along with Ussop, he will prove that he is a Brave Warrior of the sea

[split glacier]

Just no

[weak bridge]

Are you stupid? You just contradicted yourself here. First you say Roger is weak and is carried by df, and now you say he didn’t use his df in God Valley? Yeah okay…

[ornate gale]

His sense for spelling seems stupid as well

[cyan berry]

No its called Going Sunny because they thought it looked like a sun, Franky made it to look like a lion but the others didn't think that

And if the Sunny was Pluton then they quite literally would not have struggled for any arc

Franky destroyed the blue prints because he trusted Luffy and the others, building it behind their back would be like spitting in their face and a giant betrayal

[barren fox]

After all that bon did for him, Luffy completely forgot about him after time skip

[placid bay]

I think (at least in the anime) it was implied that franky was gonna use some of plutons features on sunny. IMO Coup de Burst and Gaon Cannon are super mini Pluton and as we ve seen they are extremely powerful and energy hungry.

[covert rampart]

Hey am I the only one who thinks Rocks D. Xebec and Caribou look like the same person but with his hair wet?

[placid bay]

not another Xebec looks likes "X" or Xebec is "X", they sound too ridiculous xD

[barren fox]

Sunny is shit compared to other ships. It can't go on land, underwater or fly and doesn't have amazing armor or weapons. It's just a small ship with lots of plot armor. Far too nimble for such a small ship. It looks more like a vacation resort for old people

[placid bay]

weapons? what other ship has anything close to the power of Gaon Cannon

[barren fox]

Imagine if caribou was xebec watching over straw hats but pretending to be captured like rayleigh did

[placid bay]

And armor? it's made out of the strongest wood in the world...

[barren fox]

What's gaon cannon? Strongest wood but they always worry about the ship getting hit. Big mom has no problem ripping it apart. also doesn't even have paddles, only relies on wind. a real life full metal battleship would be more amazing or submarine with Torpedos

[cyan berry]

Gaon Cannon is the incredibly compressed air cannon they use on occasion, the Sunny also has the added feature of having an escape boost for tricky situations

Just as lots of ships have things the Sunny don't have, the Sunny also has things other ships don't have

It also has built in vehicles made by Franky for traversing land, like his bikes

And also a small submarine for underwater exploration

And the Mini Merry as an extra boat for recon

The Sunny is absolutely stacked a ship, not even mentioning the fact that it's made from Adam Wood

Big Mom being able to trash it doesn't mean anything

She's Big Mom

[placid bay]

Sunny had Paddle-Wheels when it was made. After the timeskip in their place, a powerful new engine was added and can be deployed under the ship (although this was only seen in the anime).

Big Mom would rip appart any ship...

As Youss mentioned Sunny is absolutely stacked. It has a tank, a submarine, a steam engine boat, Coup de Burst (arguably the best, ship, escape mechanism in the world) and Gaon Cannon which is the strongest weapon we 've seen from a ship so far AFAIK.

---

A full metal ship would be too heavy and slow and a submarine wouldn't be a "pirate ship", it would make the story dull and boring IMO, it doesn't fit the protagonist of a pirate anime.

Also full metal ships are they even possible in one piece? I don't think we seen one in OP (might be wrong thought xD)

[gray creek]

The navy ships are usually metal

[wind trout]

Xebec looks nothing like caribou

[pure raven]

What r u saying

[royal spruce]

Dang, alright. Good catch

[pure raven]

idk mabye

[lime stirrup]

Are you sure? Looking at them, most seem to be wood with beams of metal at most. Even Garp's ship is mostly wood.

[iron lion]

you are correct, we have never seen anything truly close to a "modern" coal fired battleship in one piece

[barren fox]

big mom wouldn't rip apart law's submarine. and even with the plot armor, it's a big weakness to always have to leave the sunny unguarded when landing on an island. I'd even take the castle tank over sunny. 90% of the planet covered in water but 90% of the action is on land.

p.s. one of the best is shiki or fujitora, just air ships out of anything, never have to worry about sinking or landing

[late token]

Big mom would 100% rip any ship apart laws ship too

[barren fox]

it's underwater you stupid troll

[late token]

Yeah 100% of the time it’s underwater. You are totally right. They never emerge. Law is a fishman

[barren fox]

aaaaand blocked

[heady parrot]

what a weirdo lmao

[late token]

Closest thing I can think of is Wapols ship but a real modern battleship Made entirely from metal I can’t think of anything either

[clear kraken]

ignoring everything else, all this in one chapter lmao

[round pebble]

I was thinking of the winged races and gods in One Piece, and I remembered Hitetsu Tenguyama, one of the first few people Luffy meets in Wano, also had huge wings like King.

I went to read the lore on Tengu on it's Wiki page, and I found many similarities to Luffy/Nika.

From the page:

"They are considered a type of yōkai (supernatural beings) or Shinto kami (gods). The tengu were originally thought to take the forms of birds of prey and a monkey deity, and they are traditionally depicted with human, monkey, and avian characteristics. Sarutahiko Ōkami is considered to be the original model of Konoha-Tengu (a supernatural creature with a red face and long nose), which today is widely considered the tengu's defining characteristic in the popular imagination. He is the Shinto monkey deity who sheds light on heaven and earth. Some experts theorize that Sarutahiko was a sun god worshiped in Ise region prior to the popularization of Amaterasu."

Monkey/Bird Sun God that sheds light on heaven and earth?

"Tengu are commonly depicted holding a magical feather fan (羽団扇, hauchiwa). In folk tales, these fans sometimes have the ability to grow or shrink a person's nose, but usually, they have attributed the power to stir up great winds."

D will always cause a storm? Expand and Shrink?

"The 23rd chapter of the Nihon Shoki, written in 720, is generally held to contain the first recorded mention of tengu in Japan. In this account a large shooting star appears and is identified by a Buddhist priest as a "heavenly dog", and much like the tiāngǒu of China, the star precedes a military uprising. "

Luffy's bajrang gun being the "Shooting Star" meaning the raid will succeed soon?

"At least one early story in the Konjaku Monogatari describes a tengu carrying off a dragon,"

What do you guys think?

[ripe geyser]

The biggest L I’ve ever seen

[wind trout]

Kaidou leaving wano means raid success

[round pebble]

"traditionally depicted with human, monkey, and avian characteristics." the only thing missing from luffy is wings? Zoro and Sanji?

There are good and bad tengus, blackbeard has a pretty long nose? GOD USSOP tengu parallel?

[torpid mist]

i found this legend while researching sun lore for a theory i'm working on. This isnt part of that theory but I thought it was kind of interesting:

According to Choctaw legend, a mischievous black squirrel gnawing on the Sun is the cause of eclipses. Like the Chinese dragon, the squirrel must be frightened away by the clamor and yells of the event's human witnesses. Ojibwa and Cree peoples have a story that a boy (or sometimes dwarf) named Tcikabis sought revenge on the Sun for burning him. Despite the protestations of his sister, he caught the Sun in a snare, causing an eclipse. Various animals tried to release the Sun from the trap, but only the lowly mouse could chew through the ropes and set the Sun back on its path.

[manic relic]

Is big mom in her prime?

[agile widget]

in order for people to know that the user of the ope ope no mi could give immortal life to somebody, it must have happened in the past, meaning there is probably an immortal character in one piece no

[sick raft]

I think it’s Imu

[lunar shell]

Sure. She doesnt seem to complain about being old or whatever. It serve the story to have her prime too so.

[sick raft]

plus Sengoku said her & Kaido are now stronger than they’ve ever been

[steel shadow]

Well does she have one day delivery on items she orders

[lunar shell]

Yes. I believe this fact of the op op no mi is mainly made to explain a futur immortal being.

[steel shadow]

Do we know if the immortality is true immortality or just eternal youth? Like can you still die?

[visual merlin]

eternal youth ye

so can still die

[lunar shell]

Robin said Sanji impersonate the King’s -Luffy- wings.
I mean he is a good cook so.

If Oda based his whole stuff from -or at least part of his core story- sumerians then the dude needs wings indeed

[reef atlas]

Ough i hope something interesting happens again this week

[lapis prairie]

He will have a great one. In every arc that he acts like a bitch in he ends up fucking killing it: Water 7. Goes from whining about the Sunny to actually fighting Luffy to being Sniper King - DressRosa. A dickhead who seeks to manipulate the little people to saving the day multiple times - Alabasta. Proclaims he will run away from any fights and beats two Df users with Chopper.

[shell jay]

So i am rewatching and reading water 7. Episode 255 luffy gets mad cause Paulie says he shouldn’t sail out to Enies Lobby cause it’s suicidal. Luffy get’s mad and says “we will sail out.” A wave crash’s up and chimidy says “even the wave got angry.” We know the luffy can control lighting (touch lighting), i think he can control(manipulate) the elements actually. It makes scene it, if we look at that wave was a sign of his powers Oda was giving us. Yeah at the time it might have been thought to be oh just the timing. But why would Oda have her say “even the wave got angry.”

I think there are probably more little signs scattered though out the Manga of him controlling the elements unconsciously.

[pure raven]

We all know the 3D2Y tattoo from marineford.

But what if Oda was foreshadowing the future;

You may ask.. "LMFAO what do you mean you idiot?" well random Discord user #1031893 i'll tell you

What if Eustass Kid is actually "D." and is Eustass D. Kid. You may ask why would you say that?

Well I have a theory that the 3D represents 3 D.'s (Monkey D. Luffy, Trafalgar D. Waterlaw and maybe Eustass "D." Kid) and the 2 Y represents 2 Yonkos, meaning the 3 people with the will of D will be fighting 2 yonkos aka.

Luffy, Law and Kid vs Kaido and Big Mom

[visual merlin]

Did you get this off of an instagram post or whatever that was

[shell jay]

The only way i could see this is if it was a double meaning. Other wise the time skip was for nothing and they wouldn’t have trained for two years. Cause i first off no one is close with Kid but his crew and Law wouldn’t have told that to Luffy. The first time we knew about it was when Law spoke to Sangoku in Dressrosa. I believe it could mean two things but you are also giving credit to an air headed captain and Kid is not known to follow orders

[pure raven]

It was a Twitter post yea lol

[round pebble]

I think the lore of Sarutahiko Okami fits luffy very well, as the story has been talking about "leading the world to a new dawn" and Sarutahiko is a supposed Sun God that sheds light on heaven and earth.

I think the whole start of Wano was a foreshadowing of Luffy's fruit.

The first 3 animals that luffy sees are a crab(Kani), a white monkey, and a Komainu(lion dog), which fits well with the origin of Tengu(tian gou in chinese, which translates to heavenly dog)

There after Luffy meets Tenguyama

[round pebble]

If my Tengu reference is right, you may be on to something here. Both Sarutahiko and Susano'o( God of Storms and the Sea) are origins of the Tengu

[shell jay]

But when you think of the origin of his fruit it is the sun god. In almost all mythologies the sun god is known for Light, Fire, Health, Life, Creation, The Sea, Knowledge and All Sight

[round pebble]

The storm and seas may be related to the clan of D maybe?

[shell jay]

I don’t think the storms and seas relate to D. I think D is the remainence of a fallen nobles like Doflamingo

[round pebble]

They have said that D will always bring a storm, but let's see this week's chapter 1049. Chapter 49 and 149 have titles of "storm" and "rumble" respectively. So we may see something related soon.

[echo plank]

Hurricane

[shell jay]

See but storm doesn’t always mean a physical storms. It is likely a metaphor for the clan of D will come back to write the wrong that took place. Cause something catastrophic. The nobles are covering this up for a reason. The worry about D exposing the secrets of Void century. We don’t even know if Joy Boy’s name is really joy boy. But could be a D. Every so often someone is born with it the will of D. The will to write the wrong.

[round pebble]

either Hurricane or I'm expecting luffy to pull out the next level move of his Red line of attacks(in chapter 49 they are talking about hawk eye). Hawk, Roc, maybe Garuda this time?

[round pebble]

Yeah storm may not be a physical storm I agree.

[shell jay]

We also have to think about the people Luffy is connected too. Would it be all that surprising to find out that people with the name D are nobles?

Nobles that were cast out and like Fisher Tiger stood against injustice. We know that there are heavy topics of racism and discrimination in one piece. We also know that one piece is set in the end of the middle ages 16th century.

[buoyant rain]

yeah that true

[shell jay]

If Oda is basing One Piece on the real world which i believe he is to an extent. The void century took place in the 7-8 century. Nobility at that time was all based in Western Europe. As there are themes of different time period on different islands (Little Garden having Dinosaurs) and etc. The clan of D was like a major pilar within the noble world. Like the (East-West Schism of 1054) and other historical events that cause rifts. One side didn’t agree with the other. If we see D as the East and the current nobles as the west. What could have happened was that the majority of D’s stood up and a war insued. D probably won and the nobles that lost embarrassed. However, D wasn’t able to recover due to what took place. So the world believed a lie that was created and they hide who D was.

[round pebble]

I think the deal with Lunarians like King are about racism too. Prob driven out of the moon by the other smaller white winged races.

[shell jay]

I think D is the remanence of a lost noble society. (Laugh tale) name is because the tale of what happened was so funny that Roger was like so that’s what happened it’s stupid and found out he was a noble but didn’t care

[twin root]

So I think Wano is on top of a giant volcano. We have a few hints of that already. We saw a map of wanokuni from the side that revealed a hidden dock behind the waterfall, and also when BM was falling into the hole we could see lava below her.

Hell has been mentioned very often in act 3, and we know that there are two treasured swords of wano, a hell and a heaven sword.

My theory is that there is a second hidden ilsand below wano inside the volcano, the home of the Oni. That is where the Road Phonoglyph is and Luffy is liturally bout to knock Kaido, Onigashima, and us into (the bottom of hell)

More than likely the island is man-made and it's tied to moria.

While exploring hell we will learn about Zoros family, what Asura is, about the history of the 2 sacred swords, about the Road Phonoglyph, about moria and kaido's conflict, about weevils connection to moria, and about Kaido (and the Oni races) past.(probably more but thats just off the top of my head)

This is why Oda hasn't shown us Kaido's flashback yet, because it pertains to the history of the Oni.

[wild turret]

Elbaf is next because of luffys new giant mode . Any thoughts?

[steel shadow]

Elbaf is next because its a viable location for the missing poneglyph

I don't think luffy's giant mode has anything to do as a viable reason for Elbaf next. I could also see another Straw Hat split up where like Usopp and Robin head to Elbaf and Luffy leads a group to the Red Line to help Sabo.

[wild turret]

Hmm could be but I doubt they splitting up . Still no news on sabo hopefully soon

[marble fog]

we are probaly gonna have a mini arc before Albaf probaly an arc updating us about world affairs

Giving something has happened to ace and possibly vivi

also suspect we will see more of jewelry and Urouge sense their the last two worst generation members besides black beard who haven't fought luffy or fought beside him after the time skip.

Jewlery will most likely be involved when Kuma, Ace and Vivi reappear Urouge I am not sure where the hell he can fit into the story at this point.

[sand sail]

@weak lava This isn't the channel for that thought, but he is. You can talk more about it in #also-manga if you have any confusion

[tiny ocean]

I see no possibility that kaido would join luffy againts WG and that they would fight on the same side ever. He is portrayed as an evil monster for a reason. Maybe helping the strawhats escape or whatever after he got beaten, but thats all. He made almost everyone suffer that luffy met since timeskip. From a writing point of view it would be awful.

[silk elbow]

Hey guys, i was wondering if there a theory about the sea at Enel Lobby. There a huge hole in the sea and i wonder if there is something more to it. Sorry for my english 👀

[steel shadow]

Probably not, just cool island design

[tiny ocean]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYzqDJBeI9Q ohara have this video. I think its totally random and the island design doesnt have anything to do with raftel and such, but you might find this interesting.

[pure raven]

why my message get removed lmao thought this was a theory channel

[sand sail]

Not that kind of theory channel, go ahead and read the channel description

If you've got a well thought out line of reasoning for why Law may die at the end of Wano, feel free to share, please.

[pure raven]

i hit send without realizing 1 minute timer. i think hes going to die because he no longer serves a purpose in the story afterwards. his alliance with luffy ends once kaido is defeated. his only purpose in the story would be figuring out what the will of D is, which i believe we will learn from odens book

i know about his eternity ability but I honestly cannot think of anyone who he'd give eternity to.

[tiny ocean]

Is it ever defined that this "eternity" means that you just never age, or will it make you unkillable too?

[vestal orbit]

think it's just described as eternal youth

[rough jetty]

I think that jewlry bonney will show up in elbaf

[short chasm]

I'm not 100% sure but I vaguely remember there being a quote from Oda saying that Wano was going to be "bigger" than Marineford. Honestly, unless there's Admirals on Wano soon or a bustercall being threatened, I can't see how it's bigger.

How else could it be bigger than Marineford or am I just not recognizing the magnitude of what's currently happening?

[steel shadow]

I think the magnitude is in a different form you may not realize. Wano is def on a larger scale.

[short chasm]

I'm curious if Wano will be the opposite of Marineford where instead of Marines vs Pirates and a Yonko shows up to stop the war/interfere. We get Pirates vs Pirates and the Marines/Admirals all show up to try and stomp them out post fight, it'd be a hell of a "Post-Wano" seeing the crew have to turn tail and run immediately.

[digital crown]

Sanji > zoro change my mind

[pure raven]

well it is already bigger than marineford. luffy having reincarnated joyboy and sun god nika is a huge event. we learned a lot of lore already. also wano is currently surrounded by marines

[short chasm]

I just want a buster call, just one. Before One Piece is over

[pure raven]

nico robins hometown is typing

[short chasm]

I should have specified in current timeline

We've had one on Enies Lobby too I suppose

[median hemlock]

swoosh swoosh by zunesha and its cleared

[pure raven]

Its not surrounded by marines , only wg ships are there that to 4 ship

[ember quest]

Haven't seen anyone mention this but I think robin gives Zoro his asura powers, or really he stole the ability from her like he did kinemon

[steel shadow]

Could also be a good transition if they have to hide in Elbaf

[pure raven]

when spoliders out

[craggy schooner]

Luffy = Roger ( Execute)
Sabo = Oden ( Foreshadowing Sabo will die with akainu boiling magma)
White beard = Ace ( Died like white beard with hole in the body)

[agile tangle]

Huh? Why? And you don't mean like actual stealing right? It's more of zoro having the ability to replicate kinemon's move due to his current level of ability

[agile tangle]

Wow that's interesting, I don't see how moria would have had the time to create a whole entire island tho?

[placid bay]

When did Oda actually state that Wano War would be greater than Marineford War? ... Afaik the only thing Oda has mentioned is that the final war would make Marineford look cute or something on those lines.

[ornate gale]

1st true when we compare "queer" power
2nd its theory channel go to debate channel

[placid bay]

This is what I believe the future of one piece still has to offer us. I don't believe this is 100% spot on but I think there is SOME sense to it. Also holy sh!t is Oda going to finish one piece in 3-5 years, I think I will have my doubts xD

Post-Reverie (News about Vivi and Sabo and the fates of the Shichibukai)

Revolutionaries arc (Might be one with the above)

Winged people arc (not sure about this one, but Enel, Urouge!, Hitetsu and King)

Elbaf Island

Shanks Meeting (unless killed by BB)

Vegapunk's story (more about DFs? Franky's arc?)

Immortality, Cure all medicine Arc (Chopper's & Law's arc? | might be connected with Vegapunk?)

Mary Geoise treasure (might be part of Void Century History)

Lodestar Island (no idea what will happen here)

Blackbeard War (I think this will happen before Laugh Tale for the title of PK)

Laugh Tale (Pirate King status)

Void Century History (On or After Laugh Tale. Robin's arc?)

• Joyboy story
• PK's purpose
• Winged races / Moons story
• Ancient kingdom story
• Ancient weapons purpose
• Devil Fruits origin
• Huge bridge being built story (where Robin was sent flying)
• WG's crimes

Great War against WG (After learning the history)

• Use the ancient weapons
• Destroy fishmen island (*)
• Save fishmen via noa (fullfil poseidon promise)
• Kill akainu
• Defeat Imu & Gorosei
• Punish the celestial dragons

* Way back, there was a huge therory/leak, allegedly by an Oda's employee, and one of the things it said was that Luffy will destroy the red line where it connects with the grand line, with the ancient weapons' help. Thus creating all blue, getting to Laboon, finishing the world map? and destroying fishmen island.

If you have anything to add, correct or comment please do so ^_^
*Also some of these you will have to take with a grain of salt. *

[unkempt quest]

Guys do you know any other discord where people are allowed to discuss spoilers? Since yesterday there have been some spoilers but nothing going on in this disc.

[pure raven]

Cant you wait till friday?

[ashen surge]

Dm me some if theyre legit

[grizzled vine]

Chopper gonna use brain point and solo gear 5 and kaido

[lunar frost]

The smilefruit company is themed in the style of a deck of card when you look at doflmaingos subordinates you have Pika who resembles spade, Trebol who resembles clover, corazon who resembles hearts, Diamante who resembles diamonds, then from Kaidos subordinates you have Jack, Queen and King like in a deck of cards and doflamingo was also known as joker

[weak lava]

How would you punish a people who literally don’t know any better because they were raised that way?

Like they have no real control over their thoughts and have been groomed to be as fucked up as they are. They’re basically the sheep and children of imu.

[frail sun]

Where at?

[placid bay]

Doesn't matter how they were raised, crimes are still crimes. If had to guess their punishment I would guess either prison or death (either from battle or from people who suffered. Like the Donquixote died. Or some other way) ... I don't see it them apologising or begging for forgiveness maybe a couple of them as we ve seen from Mjosgard who will prob not be killed or sent to prison but the rest I think will be severly punished.

[weak lava]

Okay let me ask you then, I doubt oda would write that in due to the very nature of the story, but in real life how do you think something like this has been or will be dealt with?

[placid bay]

IRL prison or in some places death penalty. How do you think Oda will deal with this, will he just leave them be after all the hate build up?

[weak lava]

Yes, luffy does it all the time.

[placid bay]

So what is the purpose of the hate build up then? ... I m not saying luffy will kill em btw, I dont see that either

[weak lava]

To drive one of the themes that people can change and to keep moving forward, holding onto that hatred just distracts you from your dreams.

[lime cape]

@placid bay I would put the Zoro Vs Mihawk fight after the final War

[lime stirrup]

I doubt there's a genocide of Celestial Dragons or anything similar, but I would be surprised if Dragon didn't handle them in some way. He's pretty well aware that class disparity is the main issue in their world, so there will certainly be some kind of equalization. They aren't going to continue living as they are. I'd imagine that bringing them down to the level of commoners would be punishment enough.

[placid bay]

Oh yeah forgot about that xD ... Well IMO it will be before Laugh Tale and Great War at least that's the feeling I m getting xD

[weak lava]

This is probably more plausible, unless imu sacrifices them for a power up.

[placid bay]

Them not getting punished at all, IMO is out of the question, what @lime stirrup said makes a lot of sense. Heck I could even see them getting sacrificed by IMU xD

[lime cape]

I think there is no story time to put that fight before laughtale, I think it would be somewhat forced

[placid bay]

Forced, how so? ... I think it will be connected to the BB fight and Shanks events.

[lime cape]

Luffy v shanks, Usopp v yasopp and Zoro v Mihawk in the same arc? some kind of test

I don't see a reason to have a death match against Mihawk in a Shanks vs BB arc

[placid bay]

It doesn't nessecarly have to be Zoro vs Mihawk, it could be Zoro vs Mihawk's killer. My point of view is Luffy will not be PK before Zoro becomes the strongest swordsman in the world and I don't see Luffy becoming PK after the Great War as he will need to learn the true history first IMO.

The reason I think Mihawk might be connected to the Shanks, BB event is because Mihawk was portrayed to be close to Shanks at least thet's the feeling I'm getting. Also a fight between Redhaired Pirates and Blackbeard Pirates was forshadowed in marineford at the end. And I don't see Shanks surving it bc we wouldn't get Luffy vs Blackbeard which has been over-forshadowed xD. At least that's how I set it 😛

@lime cape Btw what events are you speculating happening after the Great/Final War that will lead to Zoro vs Mihawk. For me the only thing I see after the War is a huge party and Happy End or a huge memorial and Sad End.

[lime cape]

The big war ends and everyone splits up. Before Luffy and Zoro say good bye each other in the East Blue Mihawk appears like the first time in the series but Zoro wins

[fathom matrix]

Here's my theory

In order to become the world's greatest swordsman, you need A. a black blade, B. fight the current world's greates swordsman and C. either destroy their black blade or defeat them.

I think what truly defines a swordsman is a link and connection to their swords and a dedication to their art.

Big mom, white beard, roger and shanks don't go after or probably can't morally get that title, because they use their swords as just weapons, they don't have any black tempered metal, so it may be a case that they lacked a proper connection or their connection wasn't as strong. Big mom's sword might be alive, but like with her own children, she sees it as nothing more than a tool

Rhyuma, Zoro and Mihawk see their swords AS people, as extensions, they take care of them, feel bad when they're chipped or gone, have a connection.

And so to be the world's greatest swordsman, you NEED to defeat another black blade with one or destroy one.

[lime cape]

He wins the fight and he goes to kuina's grave to say to her that he has fulfilled "our dream" or something like that

[fathom matrix]

Probably, that might come at the end when every one of the crew disbands

[lime cape]

By the way, Tashigi is kuina, she lost her memories like Sabo (I hope it is true)

[fathom matrix]

People really want that theory, but i think there are too many issues with that

cause how would tripping down the stairs = winding up as a marine

I think it's just as simple as it is. Some people die in unceremonious ways and that's just life. Accidents happen. We have dreams and goals but the most common stuff can take it.

I think people expect every charatcer in a manga to have agrand death... when sometimes it's just as real as it is in our world

[lime cape]

You can make up a story that justifies it (a tenryuubito wanted her and they faked her death)

[placid bay]

I think I read somewhere that "tripping down the stairs" actually means suicide and it's a "censored" way to say it in some places in Japan.

[wraith surge]

yeh

[fathom matrix]

OH SHIT, what if the one piece is a buster call to destroy the red line?

[lime cape]

Why do you want a buster call man?, you only need kizaru-kun

[wraith surge]

hmm How aobut thiss.. how about the red line is a bunch of pluton line up together to perform buster call on the grand line thus unifying the all blue

[fathom matrix]

I don't mean like a marine but, but maybe a buster call to gather all the ancient weapons or sea kings, whales to destroy it

[lime cape]

Nah I firmly believe that Pluton is a ship that BB will get (luffy's will have shirahoshi on his side) and Uranus (maybe dragon)

[fathom matrix]

maybe they have to wait 20 years, cause they COULD destroy the red line any time they want, but they need shirohoshi to be born, carry everyone on the noah from fishman island and escape

[wraith surge]

yoo thats nice.e... I like that... Plutons = Colossal Titan..

[lime cape]

Franky knows the blueprint of Pluton and maybe we have a star wars death star reference, it has a weak small point and Usopp's destroy it with a precise shot

[fathom matrix]

and because fishman island is below the redline, the debre from the redline will destroy it

[wraith surge]

If Luffy will acquire the three ancient weapons he will be called "Mightiest One in Land Sea and Air"

[fathom matrix]

Uranos could end up being a devil fruit

Heck, Dragon might have it. A fruit to control the weather

[wraith surge]

the egg in Roger's Flashback? Like a weather egg ..hmmm

[fathom matrix]

either a mythical zoan bird, or a logia

OH if it's a zoan, it could be a powerful thunder bird. Cuase they're super powerful

[pure raven]

AHEM AHEM Davy Back Fight AHEM AHEM

[ember quest]

I think luffy will die to his own powers but can be saved by law

[pure raven]

btw mihawk already said that beating him would be easier than reaching laughtale/beoming PK, it sounds like a hint that zoro's dream will happen before luffy's

[zenith helm]

Marineford v2 arc

[brisk mirage]

But Zoro is dead. A corpse can’t beat Mihawk

[eternal kayak]

What if when garp and roger defeated the rock pirates, big mom transferred the soul from xebec to her son teach and this 2 souls lived in him and so he could eat a second fruit. And Marco said that Blackbeard never sleeps because the ware teach sleeps and xebec is awake all the time. And xebec's body is in impel down level 5 because there was a men that Look like xebec and he was in ice.And because there is none soul in his body he is only in level 5 and not level 6.

https://youtu.be/OW8c8p4BHnM

[latent hinge]

Agree

[pure raven]

Bro I’ve heard this theory so many times and wtf you mean Blackbeard is big mom son doesn’t make any sense at all

[pure raven]

so how long till the spoilers?

[lunar shell]

Too long. Also : wrong chan dude

[lunar shell]

That’s so sad he was a cool dude. I guess Yamato will replace him ?

[brisk mirage]

Honestly would not be upset with Yamato replacement. I don’t hate Zoro or anything but dead is dead

[lunar shell]

Can’t argue with that

[sharp anvil]

Someone posted in here the concept of an Oni backstory in hell and that would be an incredible way to wrap Zoro back into the story in my opinion. Also makes it easier to lean a little closer towards his actual fate (because he wouldn't be gone forever just taken by Ashura)

[brisk mirage]

The Grim Reaper doesn’t come to claim a soul before it’s time. (Unless Oda was just making Zoro hallucinate the personification of Death, which would be pretty lame)

[jovial olive]

Or it could be that he saw grim reaper cause his life is almost at the end after the battle

[sharp anvil]

I think it is setting up for a going to hell and coming back story whether it be I survived the reapers slashes or a literal trip to hell

[lunar shell]

Or. But that’s crazy talk ; it could be enma personification and that’s all happening in Zoro’s head as his inner self is fighting Enma lust for power -Zoro’s haki-

But this is a serious chan so let’s just settle on Zoro is dead

[sharp anvil]

I'm being serious I think he is as well. Yeah it's headcanon and it doesn't have to be pointed out.

[lunar shell]

Saddly it seems my jokes needs to be pointed out ^*

[sharp anvil]

One line not well thought out responses I guess is the issue, but it started a conversation

The channel explicitly says not to joke so... Yes... it does...

[lunar shell]

That’s how its sad.

[sharp anvil]

Ok be sad?

[lunar shell]

I’m not sad. The fact that I have to point out the sarcasm is. Since I’m not here to joke in the first place.

[sharp anvil]

Well that's just hypocritical now. Don't think we should continue this if you feel so strongly DM me.

[odd goblet]

Big mom doesn't know blackbeards secrets

Although if big mom fights blackbeard she may be able to learn what's truly going on with his body.

Law and big mom will be able to learn teaches secret pretty damn quick. The thing with teach is that he acts like he is this ultimate genius, but if rocks and another dude are inside him he is crazy

[lunar shell]

I feel BM knows Wano’s secret though. I believe she actually landed on it.

Maybe Teach wants to be immortal or something. The first step would be not to sleep

[odd goblet]

I kinda feel its a bit obvious rocks is inside blackbeard as a secondary consciousness. His soul is within teaches body and he plans on switching his soul into his own body some time

[modest skiff]

What makes this obvious to you other than the name of his ship?

[sick raft]

i don’t think he’s inside of Blackbeard .. I just think Blackbeard is carrying on his will

[odd goblet]

• I think the fact that he can multiple dfs makes it obvious.

• from the knowledge we have been given so far. The df attaches itself to the soul, this is via Brook and the dude in dressrosa who franky and luffy pressed.

• this means blackbeard requires at least one other soul in his body to eat 2 fruits.

• blackbeard has sleep problems, the only other character with sleep disorder has 2 personalities inside his body cavendish.

• and If being honest. Rocks face looks alot like hakuba, which may be a hint to him playing a similar role in bbs life thay hakuba does for cavendish.

• the personality switch surgery that law possesses that allows him to transfer souls.

• the dramatic change in personality for blackbeard. The person in mock town is very different to the blackbeard who was begging wb to not hurt him.

• the ship being called saber of xebec is also a pretty strong one. There's inheritance of will but its not like franky calls his ship the thousand Tom. It seems a bit beyond inheritance of will

[sick raft]

the Blackbeard in mock town wasn’t facing death like he was when WB was about to kill him lmao

[modest skiff]

I think you have good evidence BB has some sort of second soul or will, but I am not seeing strong evidence for it being Xebec

[odd goblet]

The strong evidence is the saber of xebec ship name. And the pirate island beehive

[sick raft]

I think he found out about Rocks , maybe on WB ship or probably before and has idolized him ever since .. could be a fanboy like Bartolomeo lol

[modest skiff]

I wouldn’t call the ship name strong evidence. If anything indicates some sort of admiration. What do you mean pirate island beehive? Just it being similar to what Rocks did?

[sick raft]

it’s not like beehive is a unknown island , majority of pirates know about that island …

[odd goblet]

Well let me rephrase its not strong evidence. Its the strongest evidence from what we have so far

A 11 Yr old kid looking for a RERUN fruit.

[modest skiff]

I agree that if we assume it is true, that’s the best evidence we have, but I’d say it’s still a ways away from being something I’d assume is true. I’ve considered the possibility that Rocks was the previous Yami user and that he “ate himself” using it as a way to escape death, but that’s all baseless.

I will say that the Yami “choosing” BB is a detail that is worth focusing on though. It goes with the idea of some fruits having a Will of their own and may indicate a connection to BB

[odd goblet]

It's possible

[modest skiff]

Not sure what you mean by this

[sand sail]

from the knowledge we have been given so far. The df attaches itself to the soul, this is via Brook and the dude in dressrosa who franky and luffy pressed.

The guy in Dressrosa never spoke about souls, just that fruits go back into circulation when the user dies. Brook is a pretty hard exception, his fruit directly manipulates his soul, but if he dies it goes away too. However, the fact that Big Mom can transplant souls but not powers suggests it's not tied to the soul at all.

• blackbeard has sleep problems, the only other character with sleep disorder has 2 personalities inside his body cavendish.

Cavendish still sleeps, though. Blackbeard doesn't at all.

• the personality switch surgery that law possesses that allows him to transfer souls.

The thing is, if this were true it'd thoroughly disprove your point, since Law also can't transplant powers. Law switches minds, not souls.

• the dramatic change in personality for blackbeard. The person in mock town is very different to the blackbeard who was begging wb to not hurt him.

I see this opinion a lot, can you define the difference you're talking about? Blackbeard's personality has been pretty consistent throughout the series, every bit as much as anyone else's.

• the ship being called saber of xebec is also a pretty strong one. There's inheritance of will but its not like franky calls his ship the thousand Tom. It seems a bit beyond inheritance of will

Sure, he probably has inherited Xebec's will, that's fair.

[ornate gale]

Zoro isn't dead?

[odd goblet]

By rerun I mean the yami yami no mi feels like the kind of fruit. Someone gets on like the rerun of a game. When you replay a game.

And it doesn't feel right that an 11 Yr old who was an orphan all of a sudden wants to become darkness incarnate

[sand sail]

Wouldn't it make sense that an 11 year old orphan would want to become someone super powerful? That's what happened to Whitebeard. Luffy, too.

[ornate gale]

The grim reaper is the incarnation of Ashura finally appearing
I think after this zoro will get even more stronger

[modest skiff]

Since BB says the fruit chose him, I’m more inclined to think it wasn’t BB seeking absolute power indepdently but rather stumbled upon a quest of sorts

[odd goblet]

What happened to wb

[sand sail]

Well, he goes into it by researching through the devil fruit encyclopedia and finding the Yami Yami listed with its powers, so that could be correct to some degree. He also believes hardcore in fate as well, so I'm sure putting himself on that path helped boost his faith in it

[sand sail]

He was an orphan who had to protect his home island from bad people, so he got super strong

[odd goblet]

Yep I know that but how does this relate to wanting to become darkness incarnate. I understand a kid wanting to be strong. But what Did bb have to protect being all alone

[sand sail]

His family

Blackbeard wasn't an orphan

[odd goblet]

What family did blackbeard want to protect? The same one he didn't mind destroying for said fruit

[glacial vessel]

i think we saw at one sbs that bb has 2 sisters and a mother but not sure

[odd goblet]

No that isn't canon. Oda just drew a hypothetical

[sand sail]

A mother and a sister, yeah. Blackbeard literally wasn't an orphan, he just ran off with Whitebeard. Or, he had parents at one point at the very least. Blackbeard didn't have to have the same motivation, the point is a child wanting to become stronger is a common theme in this series, not a strange thing to want

[west saffron]

Agreed with Okama

[odd goblet]

Wait can I see this sbs please if anyone has it

[glacial vessel]

well tbh i have a theory that bb isn't rocks son but he takes rocks as his idol and wants to be like him

[sand sail]

It was a magazine, not an SBS

[sand sail]

This is the more likely scenario, given the series

[odd goblet]

Can I see it regardless if you have it

[lunar shell]

Oh now the theory is saying BB is not Rocks son that’s cute

[sand sail]

I do not, I just know the reference, you'll have to google. It'll be the 7th or 8th I think

[sick raft]

blackbeard having sisters was just a sketch in a magazine that had nothing to do with oda

[glacial vessel]

i never thought of bb being rocks son it's so obvious thus it won't happen

[sand sail]

They were Oda's sketches

[odd goblet]

Wait just to clarify one more time. You are saying oda drew bbs sister and mother. Blackbeard has a canonical sister and mother who are in the story that's what you guys are trying to say

[sand sail]

Or, he had a canon family that isn't around anymore, yeah. Can't say for sure they're in the story still, but they were there as a concept

Which gives him great motivation for wanting to be stronger if they happened to be taken away from him at a young age, really

[lunar shell]

I do believe like you it seems that BB is carrying Rocks’s flame

[sick raft]

oda never said those sketches were his sisters , the magazine said they were .. we’ve been shown tune and time again that magazines be wrong 80% of the time ..

[sand sail]

The magazines aren't going to show concept pieces that aren't from Oda, and they're not often wrong

Movie things and other author interpretations aside, of course

[sick raft]

the magazine used oda sketches and said they were blackbeard sisters who were well mannered & Oda nor any sbs or datebook has ever backed that up .. you really think oda would reveal something like that in a magazine and not even in a sbs or databook at the least lmao

[sand sail]

Yes. That's not an argument against anything, if they claim they were Oda's sketches then that is the fact of the matter we are taking. Anything otherwise isn't actually valuable to assert.

[modest skiff]

My assumption has been that BB learned about the fruit before he knew what it looked like, then needed the encyclopedia to know what it looks like

[sand sail]

If you can provide a source against that, then feel free, but until then you're not providing any reasoning except disbelief at the idea.

[sick raft]

ohh so like somebody told him about the yami then he looked it up afterwards ?

[glacial vessel]

maybe rocks had it

[sand sail]

That could be the case, he could've heard about it from someone else and then wanted to go after it. He only ever cites he recognizes it from memorizing it in the book, but never really about how he found out about it

It's not too likely that Rocks had it unfortunately, at this point

[sick raft]

lol i’ll wait for oda to reveal something about the main antagonist family before a magazine that oda isn’t even talking in 😂

[odd goblet]

Bb did analyse the df encyclopedia. But again as to how he even got his hands on that is a mystery. And why does he have an altered body

[glacial vessel]

maybe bb family won't be important in the story we never know

[sand sail]

How he got his hands on it is the bigger mystery, it seems to be something uncommon and generally mostly nobles or pirates have had it

[lunar shell]

Hum maybe but then people should have mentioned this fact already. Maybe like Roger Rocks had to fruit. It might follow the same patern than Luffy is Roger.

[sick raft]

stuff that isn’t important enough for the main story at least gets mentioned in sbs & databook … like sengoku having conquerors

[sand sail]

Things like that wouldn't be mentioned very often at all, that's not really a good metric to use. You can't predict what Oda or Shueisha will drop and when.

[odd goblet]

I hope rocks had a fruit. Oda isn't really good at creating variety in fighting styles for these top tiers with just swords.

Zoros techniques almost seem mythical zoan like

[modest skiff]

My theory is that he has a 3rd eye which awakened and he read about it on a glyph

[glacial vessel]

not really like when would it be mentioned tho? the fact that kaido took roger only as an example to haki with no df means that rocks prolly had a df

[sick raft]

I think Rocks had a DF but not the yami … people wouldve known i feel like

[sand sail]

This is the reason I say it's unlikely for Xebec to have had it, yeh

[sand sail]

He used Roger as the example because Roger became the King

[odd goblet]

Didn't garp mention wbs fruit when in conversation with blackbeard. If the yami was rocks fruit there would definitely be some shock or something

[glacial vessel]

maybe rocks didn't have yami df but iam almost sure that he had a df

[sick raft]

WB would’ve had a reaction to it , so would sengoku & garp & tsuru … nobody was shocked by seeing the yami , they were only shocked by him having 2 DFs

[lunar shell]

You know in Marinford for instance. Even thought I do understand that if Oda think of Xebec only after those event then Xebec can still have had it. Hence the « might »

[odd goblet]

Wasn't it rocks era prior to roger. Doffy said wb sat in front of the throne but rocks pretty much was sitting on that shit

[sand sail]

No, he never got there. It was his era, but he was never the King. Came close to it, but his ambition was to rule the world and it got stopped at God Valley. He was definitely the big dog, but he never went as far as Roger. He probably never even went as far as any of the emperors, really.

The guy was on a roll, though.

[sick raft]

Doffy probably don’t know about Rocks … he was a baby around the time of god valley

[sand sail]

so was Blackbeard

[odd goblet]

Wait they said he ruled the sea alone how is that not beyond the emperors. And he has an unknown bounty. And he was in competition for a throne beyond pirate king. Seems like he was much more successful than roger or the emperors

[sand sail]

Not being there doesn't mean he'd never have learned about it

[sick raft]

who said blackbeard knew about rocks , fans headcanon ? lol and if he does , Blackbeard was raised by one of Rocks commanders so it would make sense …

[sand sail]

No, the fact we have is that Roger and Whitebeard have the two highest bounties in pirating history. Xebec never went beyond it, and he never really ruled the seas. He was going to I'm sure after toppling the Celestial Dragons though.

[sand sail]

He named his ship Saber of Xebec

And took over the place where the Rocks crew was made

Being with Whitebeard wouldn't really matter much, he never liked talking about the crew

[sick raft]

again , he was raised by one of Rocks commanders so it would make sense if he heard stories from WB …

[sand sail]

Doesn't really make sense, we're told no one wants to talk about those days anymore. Why would Whitebeard mention it to Blackbeard?

[odd goblet]

Rocks was erased. Brannew is part of that new generation who were unaware of him. Sengoku said they ruled the seas. And king of the world is beyond pirate king. And dabbling in taboos that the wg wanted hidden is shit the yonko don't even do

[sick raft]

we don’t know if WB ever talked about Rocks or not … Sengoku was the one who said pirates don’t talk about him much … Sengoku wasn’t on WB ship so he wouldn’t know what they talked about

[sand sail]

He never got to King of the World. Dabbling in taboos that World Government wants hidden is literally the goal of every pirate in the New World just by default of wanting to go to Laugh Tale. The poneglyphs are that hidden knowledge they don't want anyone looking into.

Brannew just heard the whole story of Rocks from Sengoku, erasing Rocks from the public eye isn't the same as erasing all of the government records of him. If he's stating no one's ever surpassed their bounties, that will include Xebec. And given how Roger is well known for doing more than Xebec ever did, since he did become the Pirate King and grow stronger than Xebec would've been, he really never went as far as the Emperors.

Worse, he only had his crew, not territories as far as we were ever told. They were powerful and no one could mess with them, but they didn't rule the entirety of the New World across hundreds of islands and thousands of pirates as far as we were ever made aware

[sand sail]

Sure, but you're using a lot of assumptions that the series spoke against to make an explanation for why Blackbeard does in fact have some idea of Xebec and his dealings. It's much easier to say he knew before he ever got on Whitebeard's ship, rather than Whitebeard broke character and got chatty about a crew he hated. It doesn't really make sense to say that Whitebeard would've told him much more than "Yeah, those guys were dicks.", that's basically all he told Oden.

[odd goblet]

The pirate king is the most dominant pirate who rules like a king. Garp said it was rocks era, sengoku said they ruled the seas, unlike wb he was very ambitious.

And not getting to the king of the world isn't actually the point of what I said. I'm saying he was doing things beyond roger. They essentially did erase all records of him though because no one knows him or these incidents or this crew. Roger isn't known for doing more than xebec. We know nothing of what xebec did. And again. Please elaborate on the definition of pirate king. He controlled the seas alone sengoku said they were the strongest crew

[sick raft]

Sengoku said “ no information on Rocks remains , only what’s left in the memories of his crew mates “so yeah his bounty would’ve gotten erased as well

[odd goblet]

And if roger was beyond rocks why did it take allying with a guy with a comparable legend to him in the marine equivalent world to beat him

[sick raft]

yeah sengoku said he was Rogers strongest/greatest rival for a reason … that man was a problem lol

[glacial vessel]

well we don't know if it was a 2v1

[sand sail]

This isn't a good excuse, there's no public information on him. They're going to know if his bounty was ever higher than Roger or Whitebeard's, and it makes far more sense it was never even as high as Roger's.

[sand sail]

We're not getting into powerscaling, this question isn't really something valuable to the discussion. You can ask it in #also-manga if you'd like, but judging them based on a fight they had 13 years before they reached their ultimate goals doesn't help us at all here.

[sick raft]

if you erase info on a person , why would anyone know their bounty lmao like sengoku said , only his crew mates know

[sand sail]

Because they're the organization that creates them?

[odd goblet]

Last thing to add on that. Roger was hi6 by a terminal illness 6 years prior to pirate king. Which means his prime is likely In that 7 year gap between rocks and the illness

[sand sail]

And really, there's just no reason to not take Brannew at his word when he was just told about Xebec's deeds. Worse, Xebec never made it to Laugh Tale. There's no way for his bounty to have been higher than the man who did the thing the government's been terrified of for 800 years.

[sick raft]

so a organization who creates millions of bounties is gonna remember one even though it got erased ? lmao ok

[sand sail]

No, he was at his peak as he fought Whitebeard still. Crocus confirms he's still just fine a year before that when he faces Shiki, too

[sand sail]

Is going to remember the one you believe is supposedly the highest? Yes. Is this strange to say?

This isn't "millions of bounties", you're trying to say it's the highest bounty they've ever made. It is literally the one bounty that would stick in everyone's minds, if at all.

[odd goblet]

How can someone be in top physical condition if their body is so weak they are gonna die in one year

[sand sail]

Because his body wasn't weak. He was sick, he didn't start showing symptoms that weakened him until after his last fight with Whitebeard.

[sick raft]

i never said his was the highest , im saying regardless they won’t know his bounty cause barely any current marines even knew about rocks & im not expecting old ass sengoku to remember his bounty

[odd goblet]

I mean I strongly believe rocks bounty is pretty much dead even if not higher than rogers

But we have nothing to say on that for now

[sand sail]

Okay, I'm gonna ask you to stop contradicting for the sake of contradiction here. Being a contrarian isn't a constructive thing, and you've provided literally nothing to aid any of your arguments except your disbelief. I'd like you to come up with a solid line of reasoning beyond incredulity if you'd like to answer these arguments, but we need something constructive. "I don't believe it" doesn't work here.

[sand sail]

We, in fact, have a character statement saying the direct opposite though.

And given what Roger did and how much more important it was, it does make sense. He was called the King for a reason, Xebec never was.

[sick raft]

lmao bruh shut up, just admit that you can’t prove they would know his bounty … i’ve been proving that a bounty for a unknown pirate that was erased decades ago wouldn’t be known in present time

[sand sail]

Stop being toxic, you haven't actually proven anything.

[odd goblet]

How can we say what has not been done when the dude has been erased though.

Didn't woop slap say I have never heard of a pirate who went against the wg. And in 957 we got confirmation they directed hostilities at wg

[sand sail]

Because Sengoku, the man who would've had a first hand account of everything Rocks did, did not contradict Brannew's statement.

[sick raft]

just take the L and move on. 😂 you starting to sound dumb now ….

[sand sail]

Sengoku knew the full history of Rocks and everything that happened, including the details not even the other marines knew.

[odd goblet]

Like all of rocks achievements are unknown. Roger reaching greater heights than him is unknown. And again he did not beat rocks crew man for man with his own he allied with garp and marines to do so

[sand sail]

No, they aren't unknown, except to us. Sengoku knew all of them.

[odd goblet]

So are you saying that sengoku mentioned every crewmate of rocks in 957.

[sand sail]

Sengoku backed up everything Brannew said, he didn't contradict the guy. If Brannew gets to make a sweeping statement like "in all of pirate history", and the guy who directly knew all about Rocks didn't say anything against it, it seems clear the statement was valid. Further, getting to Laugh Tale was worse than anything Xebec had ever done if his greatest crime was failing to take out the Celestial Dragons.

[sand sail]

He actually mentions all of the biggest ones, sure. But what would that matter to him knowing about Xebec specifically? He doesn't have to remember the entire crew by any means, the captain is the only one important in this discussion.

And the captain, he absolutely knew all about.

[odd goblet]

You have to understand that oda is saving some reveals for garp to expand on. Oda isn't gonna just state every fact about the guy in one chapter

[sand sail]

He doesn't have to, but we are given several facts that are indisputable. And given the circumstances of the conversation, this does seem to be one of them. Brannew didn't make an exception or any statement about those two currently being the highest, or even the highest known, he stated in all of pirate history no one's ever been higher.

This is a fact we can't possibly argue with right now, and given both Roger's achievement and Xebec's lack of it, there's no real reason to say Brannew was wrong either. Unless Xebec got to Laugh Tale first, there's little chance he was ever higher than the Pirate King.

[odd goblet]

Wb was established as the greatest rival to roger. Just for sengoku to refute that.

[sand sail]

No, he wasn't. He was established as Roger's only equal. Xebec was Roger's greatest foe.

That statement was absolutely correct, when Roger was at his peak, Whitebeard was his only equal. Xebec was dead.

[odd goblet]

Why do you keep saying lack of achievements. The dudes achievements have been erased. And the definition of the king of the seas is the guy who sits at the top of the pirate world indisputably which was rocks.

[sand sail]

Sengoku had first hand knowledge of those achievements, you can't ignore that we have a party directly commenting on the events there. There is no lack of achievements that can possibly be relevant when the guy knew exactly what Rocks did, and how bad it was, and still backed up Brannew's statement.

[odd goblet]

Rogers only equal. So basically you are trying to say rocks is weaker than roger and wb.

[sand sail]

By that point, yes.

[gleaming cliff]

Ok hear me out I saw this theory the old lady from ugh Amazon Lilly is Yamato mother

[sand sail]

You can throw that theory in #also-manga if you'd like

[heady parrot]

this is why i’ve got him blocked it’s always an argument

[odd goblet]

What did I do

[sand sail]

That's not really a useful comment here.

You can go ahead and refrain from it, no one needs to know who you have blocked.

[heady parrot]

not you bro 🤣

[sand sail]

It's okay, he'll get the message. @odd goblet if you'd like, let's take this to #also-manga , we're getting off topic from theories.

[odd goblet]

Cool I'll move over there

[brisk mirage]

The last we saw Zoro alive, he was about to get Scyth’ed by the literal Grim Reaper. Since then he has just been a body carried around by Franky, with no signs of life. All available evidence points to Zoro being a corpse.

[pure raven]

he is just passed out

[ornate gale]

1st There is no mention that he had no signs of life
2nd if you think zoro is dead now then you must think that luffy must be dead everytime he is close to death
3rd that grim reaper is probably the true manifestation of asura since he is close to death (zoro had a demonic aura since the beginning of this story)
4th that grim reaper appeared in a nostalgic way (like when a superhero finds about his true dark power)
5th we didn't see the grim reaper at anyone's death oda doesn't do that stuff

[clear kraken]

alright hear me out, what if zoan type awakenings are catalyzed by lots of heat, and kaido is about to awaken because of this entire flame dragon thing he's got going on

[brisk mirage]

1st yea, there have been no signs he’s alive
2nd when Luffy is out of commission, he still can speak usually or at least make facial expressions (Enies Lobby, Dressrosa are examples)
3rd Asura is always shown as a multi-headed Hindu-Like god. Not as a grim reaper in a cloak
4th it was not in a “nostalgic” way, Zoro was in a panic fear
5th we’ve never had a main crew member death, there is no precedent here

[wispy thicket]

could be exclusive to mythical zoans, because of king, ||gear 5|| and marco using flames
idk if a normal zoan could do it but that would be cool too

[ornate gale]

If you really believe that zoro is dead then yòu haven't seen one piece
I wont explain anymore

[sick raft]

King is just a ancient zoan though not mythical , his flames are tied to his lunarian genes

[fervent hollow]

does luffy become a yonko after(assuming) he beats kaido? i feel like they might do something like disband the yonko system or something like that

[lunar shell]

I think Luffy and Teach will both do big thing, Luffy defeating the younko with the higher bounty and teach ???

The news will call them : « pretender to the throne of pirate king » rather than Younko.

Also I hope the pirate and their aventure still exist after the end. Which should lead to some being Younko ( Kid is confirmed ( by me ))

[odd goblet]

Yeah after luffy takes down kaidou he isn't gonna be just a yonko. They will be calling him the Prince or some shit. Like his the heir to the throne

Beating kaidou means he is entering his own tier as a captain. Big mom are basically equal to kaidou if not slight weaker

[analog sun]

Considering this is the end of the 'Yonko' saga and that our main story dealt with just 2 of them, it's fair to assume something will also come out of the other 2. Thematically/narratively, it's gotta be BB overcoming Shanks

[north igloo]

i think i come up with a pretty plausible theory for what kaidos awakening would be

i thought of this after i watched mr morjs new video about kaido, what if kaido's awakening was him turning into a koi fish instead of some bigger dragon. If the myth consists of a koi working its way up to a waterfall and then turning into a dragon when it reaches the top, then maybe since kaido was already at the top, him being struck down by someone else might make his awakening a koi. Also added to the myth that the koi would keep on climbing even after is fallen, which lines up with zoans awakenings being able to resurrect themselves from death/near death.

[late token]

absalom was not unharmed ... i'm pretty sure he is dead ^^

[modest skiff]

What makes you think Absalom is unharmed?

[spark cave]

didnt he re-appear as a happy man on pirate island? (UPDATE I JUST NOTICED THAT HE WAS A FAKE LOL)

[late token]

yup that was devon with her DF ^^

[north igloo]

is there anything anyone can come up with to disprove this? cuz if not im feeling kinda confident about it

[modest skiff]

Would be interesting, but it’s hard to really say yes or no because we don’t have any evidence either way.

[late token]

i don't even really understand what your point is ^^ so kaidos awakening makes him weaker or what?

[eager frost]

one has to be very brave to bet Kaido hasn't awakened his df still xd

[north igloo]

nah nah it would be like luffys awakening, something goofy but still hella strong

[late token]

ahh okay ... yeah i have nothing to disprove that or prove it ^^ but i wouldn't like it tbh ^^

[north igloo]

most of the "evidence" if you can call it that is from mr morjs new vid but from what ive gathered it seems to fit in place

[shell jay]

I have a theory

Luffy will get a bounty close to that of Teech, and he will be named as the new emperor. Kid will be pissed off. The next thing we here about is Vivi and Straw hats run in to Shanks. I think Leo has traveled all the way to Wano to deliver a message to Luffy or will arrive on there ship after they depart wano about Vivi and Sabo and a location and log post that they must head to.

Leo might Vivi at Marijoes so it makes scene for Leo to do it as part of the straw hat fleet. Leo is close to dying when it happens and the straw hats find him and Chopper treats him.

I think Leo is going to till the straw hats not to believe the news that Vivi is dead. But her life is in danger and at an undisclosed location with the Revolutionary commanders.

I also think Sabo is there but in a coma because he saved Vivi’s life but was framed

[south mantle]

Who is leo

[shell jay]

Really? Did you not watch Dressrosa? Warrior" Leo is a dwarf from the Tontatta Kingdom and the leader of the "Tonta Corps " (トンタ兵長, Tonta-heichō)

[wispy thicket]

ah my bad

[dawn kraken]

I have a theory, Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are all out of commission, in a coma, after the events of wano. They'll be forced to come to terms with their new respectives powers while in a coma; Luffy will be transported back to Joy Boys era and learn some of the history behind the sun god; Zoro will be transported to hell and will learn to conquer Enma and also learn about his heritage; Sanji will have to come to terms with his new Germa modifications while also fighting to maintain his emotional side. While the big 3 are out of commision, Usopp will take the lead as Captain and finally be able to go to elbaf.

[south mantle]

forgot

[lapis prairie]

So I'm rewatching. How many people have brought up the obvious Cherry Blossom / Drum Kingdom event to Wano having the giant cherry blossom tree and it probably being destroyed within the hour?

[odd goblet]

Zoro has to learn about his heritage via hitetsu. Hitetsu is the only one alive who knows zoros supposed grandpa well.

Knows the history of zoros village. That means zoro has to be up and talking by the end

[shell jay]

So in the old episodes you will see that Nami is writing in a note book about her journey. We know her goal is to draw a map of the world. But i also thank these notes serve as history. I think at the end of one piece Nami is an old women tilling the story of her former crew members after they have all passed on. We see the book in episode 311. Also on the sea train she is talking about her journey and it’s narratored by her

Also want to say there is no other place for theories but here. There use to be but then it changed to the chapter number. So it’s a bit confusing

[odd goblet]

955 hitetsu introduced himself to the scabbards.
At the end of the raid he will introduce himself as tsukiyaki

[tender forum]

doesn't explain the wings

[odd goblet]

Huh. He took those of what are you talking about.
He literally took of those fake wings during the festival

[tender forum]

body proportion isn't even similar

[odd goblet]

Tsukiyaki has never been shown standing up in the manga tf are you talking about. And he is an old man now

[steady prism]

@odd goblet @tender forum FYI someone’s actually analyzed the idea that Hitetsu=Sukiyaki here: #manga-theories message

[main osprey]

this has prob been done alot but what do u guys think the new bounties will be, after wano

[lunar shell]

See I told you people #manga-theories message

[modest skiff]

@pure raven no spoiler discussion in this channel

[pure raven]

why would oda kill zoro at wano lol, if he's gonna die it's gonna be after mihawk is defeated or EoS, but I doubt he's dying at all

[gaunt urchin]

i have a theory, king killed off his lunarian brethren when he was a kid

[acoustic gale]

I bet karibou guy gonna have his game to play in chapter or two

[gaunt urchin]

? think about it, why would they randomly go out of existence, it may have been a disease which is what happened with law's people but it possibly could also be that king killed them for whatever reasons

[sand sail]

This isn't the channel for any of this convo, and absolutely isn't the channel for #other-series spoiling.

#also-manga is better for the smaller theories like that, unless you've got a solid bit of speculation to back it with here

[drifting atlas]

I have a pretty good speculation idea. But what if imu has a 4 seat system like doffy. Doffy made his guys bow to him like imu. He likely saw what he shouldnt have seen in mariejois and copied what he saw of imu.

So potentially imu has a spade seat that controls the military. A heart seat for an ope ope no mi user. And the club and diamond seat are her 2 main associates from the void

[sand sail]

Doflamingo never made his family bow

[drifting atlas]

Yeah he did the scene is literally paralleled

Doffys fb and the gorosei bow in the exact same way and framing to imu and doffy respectively

Not too sure bout the doffy chapter in regards to number. But I certain oda drew them bowing in the exact same way

[sand sail]

Yes, they chose to bow. Doflamingo's never made his family bow.

[drifting atlas]

When did imu force them to bow. Last time I checked imu didn't even talk they just chose to bow exactly like how doffys family chose to bow

[sand sail]

Sure, neither of them made their parties bow. The whole card themed seat doesn't work for the Gorosei though, they have no such themes around them

They'd more likely be constellations, or something else star related given their name

[drifting atlas]

I'm talking about 4 guys above the gorosei in rank. I do not believe the gorosei are imus top members.

To give a different perspective. I believe they are akin to her flying 6. And she has 3 or 4 guys who sit on these seats.

The gorosei are the public leaders of the world.

[sand sail]

That doesn't really work with what we've been shown and told so far

[drifting atlas]

How does that not work. The public don't believe there is a king of mariejois.

[sand sail]

Yes, but the Gorosei know it, and we've seen their ranking. The Gorosei command the entirety of the World Government, and are at the highest ranking of Celestial Dragon. Im is a big deal because they're the only one above them

The Gorosei would fit better to your theory than a random third party, there's no room in the world building for it so far

[late token]

Damn why am I reading this the first time just now. The doll thing really settles it for me. Hitetsu = sukiyaki is now headcanon for me ^^ but who is tama then? It feels like she has an important past too then because the two of them are so intertwined. Or at least famous parents or smth?

[primal cargo]

Well, some say Tama could secretly be a member of the Kurozumi clan, maybe even Orochi's secret daughter.
It would provide some subtlety to what the Kurozumi represent in the present story ; right now all the members we know are actually straight up evil, which makes it look like the Kurozumi clan is the "family of criminals" that it was made out to be in the first place.
It would be a bit much to have both Hitetsu and Tama come out with secret identities, but why not

[late token]

I can see oda pulling that off but I can’t remember any hints about orochi having offspring but maybe I am missing something? Only thing is kinda their hair colors but idk

[scenic depot]

i feel like he’s played his part, he was a minor antagonist in fishman and helped with the raid in wano, i don’t really see him as a character coming back after that

[acoustic gale]

Oda

[late token]

Remember he is one of the only people that knows that shirahoshi is Poseidon. He will propably snitch to BB somewhere down the line or smth

[loud arch]

Maybe he’ll join Buggy.

[echo jetty]

Bro your a chad at arguing

[sand sail]

That message applies to you as well, not the channel

[steady prism]

Theory: The Aftermath of Wano

Now that we're reaching Wano's endgame, I figured it's time we explored what the WG could possibly do once Luffy wins. Obviously there's a lot of speculations we can make, but my "research" (i.e. googling) into the myths surrounding the Nefetari family brought me a myth that doesn't sound too dissimilar to what we see happening in Wano.

A lot of my analysis has been centered in Greek mythology mainly because of my earlier analysis on Ohara's perspective on their solar system. It'd be best if you read that before continuing: #manga-theories message

The Nefetari family are one of the 20 royal families that founded the WG. They are also the only family that decided against ascending to Mariejois. The current king, King Cobra, is the 12th king of the Alabasta Kingdom and his wife is Queen Tyti. Moreover, their family's poneglyph is suspected to have evidence on the location of the ancient weapon Pluton. Finally, if it wasn't clear, the popular belief nowadays is that the Nefetari family either have Pluton or know where it is, which is part of the reason why they didn't ascend with the other 19 families. This is what we know thus far and what most people suspect.

Quick tangent: There is obvious parallels to the Nefetari family and Ancient Egyptian lore. The name "Nefetari" is based on the first and most prominent/educated/beautiful wives of Ramses II (Ramses the Great). There's a lot to unpack but I'll just say one thing about Ramses: from Ramses I to Ramses X, there were 13 Queens. Let me rephrase that: Between Queen Nefetari and Queen Tyti, there were 13 Queens and King Cobra is the 12th king. With Nefetari stating he's the 12th King of the Alabasta Kingdom, this made me wonder if something happened to the the 1st King of Alabasta's name/history. My headcannon can go several directions:

1. The 1st King's name/history had to be wiped alongside the Ancient Kingdom, maybe he regrets his decision and tried to do something about it.
2. Maybe it was an intentional erasure by the Nefetari family themselves for one reason or another, maybe they consider him to be the "shame" of the family and usurped for the sake of the WG's ambitions.
3. This is foreshadowing that Vivi's generation is the final generation of the Nefetari family.

Anyway, this is a really cool detail I thought I'd bring up. Now back to astronomy.

What does the Nefetari family have to do with planets? Well Pluto (pre 2006) is a planet that's named from the God of the Underworld in Greco-Roman mythology. We can learn about the Nefetari family's disposition by looking at Hades' relationship with the rest of the gods of Mount Olympus:

• Firstly, like the Nefetaris, Hades had a seat at the pantheon but very rarely left the underworld due to his responsibilities making sure that Titans never escaped. In a similar fashion, the Nefetaris have some sort of responsibility that prevented them from ascending with the rest of the World Nobles (i.e. the suspicion that they know/have Pluton).
• Secondly, although Zeus and Hades had a respectful and close relationship as brothers, the rest of the gods in the patheon didn't look favorably towards Hades. For this reason, even though the Gorosei views the Nefetari family as "traitors", they would still listen to King Cobra's circumstances/request and take it seriously. Although King Riku and Fujitora were with King Cobra in the Reverie, I believe that the Gorosei wouldn't have taken the request as seriously if it wasn't for King Cobra Nefetari.

There's more we can talk about but I think these two points are enough to cement the idea that Oda's using Hades'/Pluto's lore to guide the Nefetari's role in the OP story. Now let's get to the juicy Hades lore that explains the OP story's progression since the Reverie arc: Asclepius and Hades

Asclepius was the son of Apollo and, according to the earliest accounts, a mortal woman named Coronis.

Okay, so some background: Asclepius=Shichibukai and Apollo=Luffy. No, they don't have a literal blood relationship, bear with me for a sec.

It is said that in return for some kindness rendered by Asclepius, a snake licked Asclepius's ears clean and taught him secret knowledge (to the Greeks snakes were sacred beings of wisdom, healing, and resurrection).

We can see this when many of the Shichibukai has "knowledge/power/assistance" to corrupt humans in the lower realm.

Asclepius once started bringing back to life the dead people like Tyndareus, Capaneus, Glaucus, Hymenaeus, Lycurgus and others. Others say he brought Hippolytus back from the dead on Artemis' request, and accepted gold for it. It is the only mention of Asclepius resurrecting the dead. In all other accounts he is said to use his skills simply as a physician.

This has been demonstrated with Donflamingo's and Crocodile's actions against the people of Dressrosa and Alabasta, respectively.

Hades accused Asclepius for stealing his subjects and complained to his brother Zeus about it.

King Cobra accused the Shichibukai for abusing their powers by corrupting people and taking over countries. Also, that was implying that the Shichibukai were corrupting countries on the behest of the WG's wishes.

According to others, Zeus was afraid that Asclepius would teach the art of resurrection to other humans as well. So he killed Asclepius with his thunderbolt.

The WG, learning of Cobra's request, was afraid that Cobra Nefetari might have caught on to the corrupt schemes they plan to enact; the WG were worried that Cobra learned of them planning to use their powerful influence to perform illegal behavior against the people of the lower realm in the name of "a great cleansing".

This angered Apollo who in turn killed the Cyclopes who made the thunderbolts for Zeus.

The Cyclops are known to have made Zeus' weapons. Similarly, Kaido's a weapons manufactor and distributor with ties to the WG, which is why the Gorosei were afraid of angering him when they interrupted in ch1043. Luffy has gone to Wano to liberate the people from Kaido's influence, which in turn will inhibit the WG from distributing weapons to rebel countries to push their own corrupt agenda.

For this act, Zeus banished Apollo from Olympus and commanded him to serve Admetus, King of Thessaly, for a year.

THIS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO! In this myth, the greatest aid Apollo gave to Admetus was persuading the Fates to reprieve Admetus of his fated day of death. More importantly, Admetus was famed for his hospitality and justice.

Is this a hint that after Wano, Luffy will protect King Queen Vivi Nefetari after what has happened at the Reverie? There are a lot of theories out there about either Sabo protecting Vivi after the assassination attempt and/or Kuma helping the two escape Mariejois, it's all over the place. Luffy coming into the political strife at this point will allow him to rise to a role that would rival Shanks' influence on the world's balance. If the Revolutionary army does indeed arrive help protect Wano from the WG, then Vivi and Sabo coming to Wano would help tie everything together and give Luffy the reason to engage the WG once again.

Later, however, upon Apollo's request, Zeus resurrected Asclepius as a god and gave him a place on Olympus.

Perhaps this is foreshadowing that Luffy will be in talks with the WG to free one (or some) of the Shichibukai's they've caught? Or maybe they'll replace the WG and reinstate people from the Shichibukai to lead the world? Or maybe this part is irrelevant to the OP story and Oda stopped being inspired by this mythos anymore.

Anyway, that's all from me. I'm open to hearing other interpretations of this mythos. Hope you enjoyed this analysis!

[lime pasture]

TLDR; might happen?

[steady prism]

? It’s a theory so……..yes?

[fathom gazelle]

I have a theory. What if Kaido, Big Mom and Whitebeard thought that Rocks was Joyboy and that is why they followed him. With his defeated that meant it wasnt the case and they disbanded. Now it looks like Big Mom and Kaido might join luffy to go against the WG.

[lime pasture]

hey, it might happen

[steady prism]

All right then.

[rain plover]

If Hancock was indeed captured, luffy is saving her

[steady prism]

If it does go down this political route, then Luffy’s getting a bunch of new allies and prepping for one of the biggest war arcs ever and it may pin him against Shanks. So, Elbaf would be like Zou and Luffy would have his reunion with Shanks, but they’d be on opposite ends

[cedar venture]

Is bonclay and enel related?

They look the same

[mighty crescent]

i dont think so

[pure raven]

So when i was rewatching one piece, i got to the part in usopp's village where he tells them to go north to face the pirates so luffy goes confidently and after realising he's lost he says "he said north so i went where its most cold". Also in the song luffy sang in skypia he says "second verse: islands of the north are cold". So i think this means that the north blue is winter natured

[lime python]

I think it means luffys an idiot

[pure raven]

True but who made the song

[clear violet]

Binks Sake, Joyboy and the One Piece connections

I had written the full theory but lost it during editing then escaping discord, so I lost motivation to re-write it again, I now have the motivation so I will send it to you guys

The One Piece is Binks Sake or has significant relationship to the One Piece/Laughtale

This is my first theory

Part 1: First Appearances and Wordplay by Oda

Part 2: Mistranslation and analysis of words

Part 3: Personal Opinions/Conclusion

PART 1: First appearances and wordplay by Oda

We are first introduced to Binks Sake the song by Brook, one of the oldest pirates we know in the series, he said the song was used by pirates since forever ago in good times and bad. This point alone could easily mean it was sung by Joyboy or even made in that era. I feel that Binks is refering to Joy Boy and** Joy Boys real name is Binks. **The songs lyrics also give us insight into the deeper meaning Oda had for it, Oda wrote the song well before Thriller bark was made. The wordplay in the song has been translated from Japanese so I might get some points wrong in this.

The first verse means to Deliver Binks Sake, where to? Deliver Binks Sake to Laugh Tale perhaps?

The rest of the verse says Far across the salty depths, The Merry Evening Sun! This is translated from Japanese and if we switch the kanji letters around it translates roughly to The Merry and Sunny going far across the sea! This is clearly relating to the going Merry and Thousand Sunny, why would a song from all the way back then have any relation to now? Because the song is talking about the journey the Straw Hats are having towards the One Piece/Laughtale.

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Part 2: Mistranslation and analysis of words

The song binks sake has been confirmed to have been written well before Thriller bark as previously stated, Oda made this song in the early development of the story, Thriller Bark is mentioned in Chapter 105 at reverse mountain. Oda also had a well known Japanese composer to re-make the melody and beat of it due to Oda wanting it to sound good. This could be a reason for the songs vagueness and not telling the whole story, but the composer did stay true to the un-released original work. Now lets get too it!

The first line of the song is:
"Lets go Deliver Binks Sake!"
Now first off the name "Binks" Could refer to anyone, but a personal head-canon I have is (dojm

In english one of the lyrics are
"Never Ending, Ever Wandering our funny traveling tale!"
That already sounds similar to Laugh-Tale
The word used is "Waraibanashi" Which also means "A Laugh Tale" in Japanese Kanji.

Part 2.5 (I had a hiatus in writing this sorry if its confusing

full song is
Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho

Making a delivery, bringing it across the sea
Bink's sake in the hold as we sail through the breeze
Far across the eye can see, the sun is shining merrily
As the birds fly in the sky as they sing out with glee
Bid adieu to everyone as we sail under the sun
Sailing on from dusk 'til dawn and singing out as one
Cross the gold and silver waves, changing into water sprays
Sailing out on our journey to the ends of the sea.

Making a delivery of Bink's sake through the sea
Let be shown that we are known as pirates, sailing free
Time to raise the flag up high, of jolly roger in the sky
Raise the sails and tell the tales that never pass you by
Somewhere in the endless sky, a storm has started coming by
Waves a-dancing, sails a-prancing through the wind and rain
If we let blow winds of fear, then the end of us is near
Even so, tomorrow the sun will rise again.

Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho

Making a delivery of Bink's sake through the sea
Through today, and through tomorrow, all your dreams will lay
Say goodbye should we depart, and keep your memories in your heart
Don't you frown and don't be down, but live to sieze the day
Making a delivery of Bink's sake through the sea
Sailing on from dusk 'til dawn and singing out as one
After all is said and done, we all end up as skeletons
Tales unending, rules a-bending, journey just begun!

Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho
Yohohoho, Yohohoho

Just from reading it, you can see some lyrics in it, Making a delivery of Binks Sake, gold and silver waves, possibly referencing Gol D. Roger and Silvers Rayleigh "Even so the sun tommorow will rise again"
From the latest few chapters this is clearly referencing Luffy being the Sun God, Joyboy returning. The sun rising again?

Part 3: Personal Opinions

As I have stated before, I feel I have enough evidence for this to be a justifiable theory, It makes perfect sense as the oldest pirate crew shown sings it, the roger pirates were singing it and so have the straw hats. No other crew has other than those 3 and all of those 3 crews have/will find the one piece (Brook counts as the only member from his original crew to find it) and I feel it just perfectly encapulates the journey of the Roger Pirates and the Straw Hat pirates, also, one thing that made me want to put this all into words was that When the Roger Pirates found the One Piece, it was actually Binks Sake, they were delivering Binks Sake by singing that song all throughout their journey which is why everyone laughed, for what the Binks Sake is. I dont know maybe its the embodiment of the sea which is why devil fruit users get sick going there maybe? I really dont know and its irrelevant to this theory others can expand apon it. Anyway before I make this too long ill end it here. Thanks for reading. Hope it wasnt too confusing its my first theory.

[bitter kettle]

my names gus and i approve of this theory

[fathom matrix]

If Blackbeard did have an octopus fruit

what colour could you say it would be?

Cause I like to think it's probably a greenish blue or sea green.

Also, maybe the Black Beard Octopus theory stills holds up, cause there are a LOT of Octopus symbolisms in one piece

8 lines around circles, the number 3

PLUS, there have been a lot of Octopus characters in onepiece. Hachi, the balloon Octopus, the kraken in fishman island, not to mention that random drum octopus in wano

There is a lot of Octo symbolism and characters, and the 3 hearts things, minimal sleep and patterns, maybe support BB having that zoan too

CAUSE, have you noticed there have been a lot of Ocotpus charatcers in one piece, specially in major arcs?
Hachi, both at the end of arlong park, where we discover fishmen, then in saba odey where we discover rayleigh and the name haki, during fishman island where we also come across the kraken.

The balloon octopus in skypeia which also foreshadowed joyboy and nika, THEN in wano where there was a drum octopus

And those are major arcs

[heady parrot]

I believe Big Mom landed in whatever the “part of the one piece in wano” is.

Not only that, but it will be revealed in a big plot twist at the end that Law knew roughly where “it” is from some poneglyph knowledge he hasn’t shared with the strawhats. I think it will be revealed that Law secretly had the VoAT the whole time not only that but is a master of it unlike Luffy and can “hear” the poneglyphs. He may even secretly know how to read the ancient text (but he doesn’t need to if he’s a VoAT master so not confident on that one).

That’s why when he was attacking BM with his final attack he was talking about going deeper even though that was just taking what appeared to be the most damage the furthest away from BM instead of near. He wasn’t talking about BM he was talking about reaching whatever is below Wano.

To further this, I believe Oda may be going for a Smaug from The Hobbit parallel with his gold hoard in the Lonely Mountain. In this case the Lonely Mountain is Mt. Fuji and Smaug is Kaido. I believe Kaido, to drive home the “pirate alliances always end in betrayal” motif that Law would have displayed as well.

I say would have, because the reason he was willing to send BM down there was because somewhere during roof piece Law put his faith in Luffy and stopped planning to betray him. I feel a confession is more likely than a betrayal to counter Kaido’s actual betrayal of BM by hiding part of the One Piece from her.

And that “part of the One Piece” that is in Wano is the gold and treasures! Remember, Wano was once the “Land of Gold” and what better reward for our crew than all the money they could ever need hidden conveniently deep under Wano near Mt. Fuji.

It’d also just get the whole treasures and riches part of the One Piece out of the way going into the final saga. They may actually need the money, too.

[pure raven]

She landed in a hole caused law

[lapis horizon]

Maybe black beard has 3devil fruit
The first one which change his body struction to enable him to eat two more devil fruit and never sleep

[cursive dagger]

Will momo revert to adult human form or kid form?

[lapis horizon]

Adult form

[grizzled fog]

The effect should be permanent. He’s stuck as an adult now

[pure raven]

Enels DF Form looked simililar to Gear 4 maybe his Fruit got even more secrets and is also a special fruit like Luffys

[barren sigil]

+it makes sense cz he is from 20 years ago a'd imagine an 8 year old as wano's shogun

[desert minnow]

Unless bonney makes him a kid

[noble sluice]

At the end of one piece, i think luffy will go back to GOA and he will give his straw hat to makino’s son. I think that ODA showing that she has a son is important and by age, it works out to be very similar to the shanks/luffy pass down. It would be really cool cause luffy will be a legendary pirate from GOA and the lil kid will be inspired just like luffy was

[steady prism]

As much as I liked it, I think mohdoo summarized some good counterpoints to the octopus theory here: #manga-theories message

[ivory cedar]

what if luffy could go really big

Ive been thinking about this.

[visual merlin]

...

like as in turn into a giant?

[hot heart]

i duno if it's too early to discuss spoilers, so sorry if it is, but that cp0 scurrying away is probably going to result in something big. they've been to noticable and their actions have been too mysterious for Oda to randomly add them like that

i think the deep state tier WG have been worried that Luffy was the 'one', and hence, he's going to become target number 1 by them. that cp0 guy was there to confirm whether Luffy would just die, or whether he would succeed.

[rose knoll]

I believe even after those yonko being defeated.. they won;'t get caught by the marines...

2nd shit, pirates who were luffy enemies will follow him especially the people who had respect for him and wanting to get one piece

[rain plover]

Do yall think it looks like Luffy is on fire in that lastish panel

[vast cosmos]

Looks like it, isn't it

[lost moat]

So I have a theory not sure if anyone has thought up, but why the fuck does Shanks bring the expensive valuable fruit that he just robbed to an island where there’s Luffy and the child who was meant to be King of the Pirates, Ace. So I think Shanks wanted to feed it to Ace originally since Roger did want his son to be the one to discover the truth, and would be who logically would have been the next Joyboy, but fate said otherwise and Luffy ate it.

They definitely could have left it on the ship with a crew member or two left behind, but they brought it into a bar. They had to have someone they planned to give it to on the island.

[manic orbit]

Luffy and Zorro are in critical health conditions

Zoro is all but dead and Luffy is on fumes from the devil fruit, my theory is Law may sacrifice himself to save them

[lyric berry]

this is a popular theory - my only problem is how would shanks know ace was there. even if roger told him he had a son, garp took him far away from where he left rogue and i dont think shanks would know where

[sour snow]

Zoro death

[regal raptor]

I think to get/activate one piece you need to be devil fruit user that's why roger didn't get/activate it.

[ivory depot]

I think kaido is gonna get an awakening

[rotund field]

So...
The one piece is actually a bottle of sake theory is getting quite likely...

[hybrid lava]

one piece is a giant freezer full of meat, sake, and all the unique dishes from every culture in the world. for the party after the liberation

[winter heron]

My theory: luffy will recognize caribous food storage capabilites and let him join the straw hats as the refrigerator

[modest skiff]

what makes you say that

[mint umbra]

I think having pieces of the 'one piece' spread in different islands is counter to the whole idea that its all in one piece.

[late junco]

Just a random theory, if there are some people that used op op no mi from before and got their hands on its eternal youth, who could it possibly be?

[mint umbra]

IM

[forest venture]

With the reveal of luffy’s line in this chapter most definitely. Luffy’s dream is most likely to have a giant party where food/drinks are unlimited with the whole world. Meaning the one piece might have something to do with food

[mint umbra]

are you sure it isn't a one-piece bikini that allows devil fruit users to swim? Aka a giant pool party

[cedar crown]

Joy boï dream was to have a banquet with all species at the table humans fishmen minks samurais...

[rustic jasper]

Usopp will beat sogeking in elbaf
Grand fleet would help sh escape wano
Franky would scrap the raid suit
Sabo would be set for execution although he will be saved by SH just like WB's entrance for ace
Sabo would awaken and beat akainu
Blackbeard and luffy would fight in a God valley 2.0 or smt
Luffy reaches laughtale
We learn abt void century
Luffy fights WG and finally achieves one peace

[crisp summit]

nah sogeking solos everyone in the one piece world
he just rejects the offer of pirate king and emperor to give others a chance to rise up and defeat him

[warm terrace]

nah ussop defeads sogeking

[rustic jasper]

Lmaoaooa but fr, usopp finally breaks his DID in elbaf and beats someone important, and finally brcomes a great warrior of the sea

[shut heath]

It's just a gift basket with a tag that says "Congratulations! You made it here in ONE PIECE!"

[brisk mirage]

Nah it’s just gonna be one piece of gold.

It is a pirate story after all

[placid bay]

I highly doubt it will have anything to do with gold

[wraith shard]

What

[royal spruce]

yo, did you Guys know that Doc Q isn't even 30?

[tribal ember]

luffy will get killed by heroes of justice

[vivid lantern]

What exactly would Roger consider treasure though

I feel like what most people would consider treasure i.e money, gold etc isn't his vibe if he's anything like Luffy

[weary rose]

Treasure is relative to the person; in my opinion in Rogers case we won’t know what his treasure is till we find out what his real goal was. Until then we can only theorize as good as we can powerscale 💀

[solid creek]

Luffy and kaido are gonna have their last battle up on that giant volcano thing

[vivid lantern]

Which makes it more plausible that his so called treasure is something ridiculous. Like take Luffy for example. His treasure is a battered old strawhat. Which brings up another point, is the treasure even usable? It's been hella years since he died

[weary rose]

I still ride on the fact that Rogers treasure is in direct relation to the Void Century; could be as minuscule as a timeline of Joyboy. All in all I don’t think it’s a physical piece of treasure rather it be knowledge of something important. Roger was surely wealthy physically but he was one of few who had the curious drive to hunt for Laugh Tale. If any of that makes sense.

[solid creek]

THe final war is gonna be sabo, dragon and luffys crew against the world government and celestial dragons

[manic lichen]

i have a theory, what if Chopper's hito-hito no mi isn't what it seems to be at all.
well since in all aspects chopper can not only take a humanoid form but has many inhuman forms as well (most of them). There might be a specification for chopper's df since so far he capable of jumping point, guard point, horn point, monster point, arm point, kung -fu point, brain point, baby jiji and heavy point.
It also seems that he is able to enhance his body parts to such a degree that he is able to perform tasks that are not possible by normal humans, for example using his brain point to find his enemy's weakness, or being able to turn into a literal giant.
he is also able to perform martial arts with his kung-fu point, which also means hat he is able to perform tasks that are associated with humans.
just like the Hito hito no mi model nika, Choppers df is also signifying the idea of 'freedom'

[solid creek]

Croc is luffys mom

[vivid lantern]

Do you think the one piece has any relation to why Roger laughed and named the island Laugh Tale? If so and his treasure truly does have something to do with the void century, that begs the question of how something so supposedly dangerous could be laughable to Roger

[weary rose]

Choppers fruit definitely leans towards being a “God Fruit” due to the fact that he can alternate between more than 3 Zoan forms unlike regular Zoan users.

[manic lichen]

that too on will

[weary rose]

I think that Roger laughed at it because it was something that he spent his life hunting for only to be irrelevant to his power. To me the one piece is a portion of information that only “Joyboy” can take advantage of if that makes any sense.

[manic lichen]

also if the saying that "zoan fruits have a will of their own"is true, what if chopper making rumble balls were also a will of the devil fruit?

[weary rose]

Explained better here.

[weary rose]

I think rumble balls are just Chopper’s medical and scientific prowess helping him advance his Zoan “awakening”.

[vivid lantern]

Good point. That could also be one of the reasons why the WG is so cautious of Joyboy reappearing.

[manic lichen]

humans are also associated with "sciences" , meaning it was because of his zoan fruit that he was able to adapt to sciences.
meaning in terms of intellect the hito hito no mi is far superior than any of the other fruits

[weary rose]

Not necessarily; his “knowledge” could simply come from observing the individuals around him and learning from them directly; but I see your point.

[manic lichen]

that is also a human specific trait, to be able to adapt to new concepts quickly and discovering the limits and powers of your own body is a trait that is very human
His fruit is undoubtedly an anomaly since it awakened itself in the shortest time possible, the monster point might not really be the awakening then, his true awakening might be his mind opening to the world, its wonders and its functioning, this awakening might really come in the near future.
as to why chopper feels immobile after using it might be the idea of gigantification, which stresses his body growth in all aspects.

if Chopper were to ever encounter Vegapunk or Ceaser ever again, he might be more than willing to learn more about his df

[weary rose]

It’s all open speculation at this point; until it is confirmed anything can go. However, in regards to ”adapting to new concepts quickly” that’s not necessarily a strictly human trait; many animals in Earth’s ecosystem adapt rapidly to scenarios sometimes even quicker than humans especially species of mammals. So it’s safe to say even if his fruit didn’t give him human characteristics he could pick up on the teaching of Hiriluk. Maybe not as… rapidly and precise but overtime he could’ve learned simply would not be able to put it to practice.

[manic lichen]

the adaptation to knowledge has always been faster in humans as compared to other organisms, it might take even them several years to do it, whereas a human can master knowledge in a short amount of time, with chopper also having a boosted brain power, he is able to do it even faster, almost like a computer, as it only took him a few years to grasp all knowledge of the world.

[weary rose]

Again comes down to the fruit possibly being a god fruit, and that fruit being originated from a Human.

[vivid lantern]

Adding my two cents, is it possible his fruit deals more with the facets of a human? Because what exactly does it mean to be a human. Is it just Chopper being able to turn into a human or does that include all aspects of 'human'. Maybe like how the gum gum fruit isn't just a rubber fruit and rubber is only part of it, Chopper's fruit allowing him to speak and walk is only a small part of being human

[manic lichen]

exactly, while Luffy's fruit is gaining full control over the world, Chopper's fruit is gaining full control over his body through knowledge.

[mortal quail]

I think moria will control whitebeard and roger's body

[cinder meadow]

Guys I came up with a theory what is shanks is zebec’s son. He was sent to roger’s ship to infiltrate. Like how would shanks know so much about the past is he didn’t even see the one piece. We don’t even know the full name of shanks, and what if teach and shanks were rookie pirates on zebec’s ship. At the time he got that scar. I don’t think shanks would have got that scar recently cuz it was there right from ep1. Guess how shanks is familiar with all the other yonkos unlike the others. He celebrated luffy’s bounty increase cause he was happy to know he is goin to have a worthy fight after a long time. Does anyone else have the same suspicions??

[manic lichen]

as a kid Shanks did not have the scar, His age and the date to the god valley incident mean that he was a one year old at that time, they sure are close tho

[vivid lantern]

Why do you think him gaining control over his body has to be through knowledge?

[manic lichen]

because through that knowledge he obtained the rumble balls and through rumble balls he discovered various other forms that he can transform into by focusing onto a certain characteristic
originally there were only 3 forms, but then he created the rumble balls and got 8 in total, then after the time-skip there were 10 total transformations out of which 9 were on will ones and 1 was rumble ball transformation.

[cedar venture]

Onigashima became the embodiment of Luffy as he was on amazon lily. He/it got burned and he gets washed after.

[placid bay]

Can you imagine Oda throwing a curve ball here and the new nakama will be King and not any of the other candidates. It would be hilarious.

[eager frost]

I think those reveals of King and Kaido was there more to show why they will leave Wano willingly now and won't come back when SH leave. Also them siding with SH in the final war (if they join) since both of them have been waiting for Luffy/Joyboy for a long time.

[coral siren]

If you read from bottom to top, it says "Hito", with the letter O being a sun-like symbol.

[manic relic]

Kaido is down and Luffy is unconscious? 100% this will be the moment when Blackbeard will intervene and steal Kaidos devil fruit so he will have a paramecia logia and mythical zoan devil fruit

[visual merlin]

100% is kinda crazy

[vivid lantern]

How exactly is blackbeard gonna get there in time with the island in chaos from all that fighting

Not only that, just seconds ago, they were in the air and that descend was hella unscheduled

[midnight violet]

its kaido he had ko eyes with the akazaya members weve seen a pattern in this arc where people r dying and makin a comeback like luffy zoro orochi, etc. my boy Kaido the main villains next he aint dead bro youll all see

[manic relic]

Okay 85%

[sick raft]

last time we saw Blackbeard was the beginning of Act 2 when he was planning to do something else that was related to the marines , I don’t see him coming to Wano

[manic relic]

Marines and CPO are in Wano. BB can go after different things that could be in Wano

[sick raft]

marines are not in Wano

[manic relic]

They are on the sea next to wano on standby

[sick raft]

marines are dealing with the warlords , they ain’t going to Wano … Akainu exact words were they are stretched too thin dealing with the warlords & they don’t know enough about Wano so they aren’t going

[manic relic]

Thats why CP0, WG ships are at Wano and Gorosei personally calls CP0 to kill Luffy no matter what because he is joyboy. Lot of reasons to come. Akainus words was an antispoil lol. Don’t believe everything literally

[eager frost]

What BB know is BM and Kaido made an alliance and they are in Wano. He has no reason to believe anyone could beat them let alone rush there to take their DFs

[sick raft]

the marines got they own stuff to worry about like dealing with warlords , they can’t be everywhere .. thats why the WG has CP0 cause they know the marines can’t take care of everything .. CP0 was tasked. to deal with Wano while the marines are dealing with the warlords … BB ain’t coming to a place that’s surrounded by WG ships and Zuniesha lol he’s way more calculated than that

[lyric shuttle]

he went to a marine base to get a fruit he definitely would go to wano although i dont believe itll happen

[sick raft]

he went to a marine base that he was supposed to be at anyway because he was a warlord , that’s totally different than going to a closed off country that’s surrounded by WG ships and Zuniesha when your not even supposed to be there … that’s not even a fair comparison

[foggy iris]

Kurohige using Moria's fruit to introduce all his crewmates' shadows into San Juan Wolf

[late token]

Only CP0 and WG. The ships that are in front of wano are WG ships and not marines. That’s why this dude is wearing a black suit and not the marines outfit

So there are no marines in wano. BB is going after smth else

[brisk mirage]

I think BB learned his lesson after getting pimped slapped by Sengoku, and sliced by WB. “Don’t interrupt a massive war unless youre ready for it”

[valid ibex]

Can we say we know luffy's dream now "a world where my friends can eat as much as they like"

[brisk mirage]

I would say it’s his short term dream, like how he wanted the bell to ring in Skypea. The overarching dream is still Pirate King.

[valid ibex]

i always figured that the whole wanting to be Pirate King was a means to end to achieve his childhood dream which i figured was the whole friends being able to eat whenever

[lyric shuttle]

yeah but now he has more of an ego having the wbs fruit and a yonko

[late token]

It’s either that or smth that gets revealed somewhere down the line. Bc his dreams are said to be the same words as Rogers and I don’t know if roger said that his friends should be able to eat whatever they want. Think that is wano specific bc the People starve so much there

[valid ibex]

that makes sense that it might be wano specific fair enough

[plucky kiln]

Kaido will gladly accept defeat and wont be killed but allying with Luffy in the war against CDs. Before that happens he might leave wano with his main crew

[hexed sky]

yo I can't tell, is Kaido defeated?

[storm kayak]

i think so

[hexed sky]

no wayy !!

[plucky kiln]

Wdym ? The one behind this war was BB. From the beginning he was the mastermind starting with capturing ace and his plan to make impel doens prisoners his own men. Thats the reason he became warlord as well. Now he doesnt need it and at the end if marineford he took the 2 mkst dangerous fruits

Blackbeard rn is the most succeasful pirate. Idk what shanka is doing but BB been improving so much in such a sgort term

[storm kayak]

i seriously think he's gonna sacrifice himself for luffy yk getting the death he wanted because luffy aint killing him and hes too strong for anything else

[modest skiff]

I don’t think Sabo and Ace’s reactions line up with that

[sick raft]

yeah that’s facts , he orchestrated Marineford and his plan succeeded .. went from not having a bounty to his first bounty being over 2 billion lol

[modest skiff]

This isn’t the channel to ask questions like this, but feel free to ask over in #also-manga

[wispy thicket]

woah nice eye

[primal cargo]

I would say definitely not
On the contrary, wanting to get involved in the fate of the world at large is something very recent for Luffy, and a sign of growth for him imo.
Anyway when the childhood dream is revealed, it will probably be unambiguous

[twilit rain]

Before this chapter I thought that he will never accept defeat, but after his talk with King I believe that you are right

[heady parrot]

orochi is going to awaken in 1050 and kaido in 1051. to further the 1048-1049 parallel of orochi going down and kaido going down.

[civic rain]

Think Luffy’s True Dream is to have the biggest party in the world, this would make sense its childish and fits Luffy’s personality and when Luffy defeats the final antagonist thats how’ll they celebrate.

[hearty helm]

Pretty fitting

[harsh herald]

I feel like we’re heading for a pirates vs WG/Celestial dragon finalie - the defeated yonko will be humbled and aid in the disestablishment of the government - I think maybe Blackbeard will be revealed to have multiple (probably 3) people inside of his one body and the worst parts will be defeated and he will too join the pirates side of the war - I also feel like maybe the bad parts possess the two fruits

Is this a common theory? I’m a bit out of the loop with you guys

[modest skiff]

Big party doesn’t fit with the reactions of Oden and WB

[civic rain]

It does though, its a child’s dream

[modest skiff]

Their reactions don’t make it seem like they think it’s childish, more so outlandish and extreme or inconceivable

My guess is both Luffy and Roger wanted to travel to the sun

[civic rain]

I think throwing a party with the entirety of the world is pretty outlandish

[modest skiff]

Maybe, I just think Oden’s facial expression doesn’t fit. But we have no info so who knows. I won’t pretend I know for sure. Just going off of facial expressions I think it’s something much more abnormal than a party, even one for the whole world

[strong valve]

Going with the theme of freedom, I'm willing to bet that Roger and Luffy wanted a world where everyone was free.

[primal cargo]

Whitebeard clearly finds it childish (or at the very least his reaction doesn't disprove it being childish)
Anyway the fact that it gets completely different reactions out of different people, shows that the dream is special for more than one reason

"biggest party in the world" doesn't quite cut it imo because there's nothing particularly stunning about it
However if it's something like "a party with everyone in the world", I say it has implications that make it better, namely the fact that you would have to bring people from all around the world even though that's supposed to be impossible

[modest skiff]

Agreed, we see a variety of responses which means people respond to it differently. But Oden looks like his world just got flipped upside down which is the main reason I reject the party theory

[paper barn]

maybe "be friends with everyone"

[strong valve]

I feel like "Make it so that everyone can do whatever they want" kinda fits with the freedom themes and is childish enough to illicit WB's response.

[fathom matrix]

The CP agent might jump to the ships and tell them to leave, they failed the mission, and that he needs to report back to the gorosei that the nika fruit has awakened.

Plus, he's fucking done. He's out of there. 2 of his friends are dead, Luffy's a rubber god, kaido's a magma dragon, he's just nope-ing out of there

[grave light]

Momo looking exactly like baba Oden incoming

[plucky kiln]

you are not the only one. some others didnt believe me too. not saying it will be exactly like I predicted, but it makes sense. kaido is no brutal animal. this single chapter and the hints in the past 50 chapters proved that

[plucky kiln]

Maybe he laughed and called him a little boy because of something insane roger said

[open crown]

Yea, I think luffy's dream is probably something very grandiose like world peace or freedom for all. Something like that. If it was a very big party, oden would have laughed as well and ace wouldn't have been so serious about it when talking to yamato. People probably initially laughed because it was so outrageous that it sounds like something only a little naive kid would say. The statement made by luffy in the most recent chapter hints towards that as well, saying that he wants to create a world where his friends don't get hungry.

[plucky kiln]

Theory:
Watching a documentation about geography I noticed that "Pangea" is the name of the earthplate of the past where all contintents where thought to be one

This reminds me of Pangea Castle in WG.

I think there is some kind of relation to that. After all Pangea Castle is in the middle of the earth and the crosspoint of the grand and red line. what if before the void red line and grand line didnt extist at all. what if the 4 plates used to be one in the past. the 100 year void could have been the time where for some reason the world was divided in 4 parts, and the grandline

[tulip jungle]

zuniesha is gonna come in clutch when it comes to the wg ships outside of wano. i think the grand fleet might be coming because of luffy's vivre card disappearing when kaido "killed" luffy before g5. hopefully the grand fleet along w zuniesha can completely eradicate the threat. we're def going to elbalf after this though

[plucky kiln]

world peace and freedom for all are the 2 things most likely won't happen. because this isnt a story about a hero. And I hope it will remain that way

notice how after all the shit luffy witnessed from marine and CDs he never even showed the slightest thought of defeating them and liberating the world and stuff like that ? he just continued his journey. what he does is to save those around him. and thats why I also dont think he will have a important battle against akainu. its just stupid. there is no reason for luffy to hunt akainu, he has never shown any sign of revenge

Sure he punched blackbeard for what he did to ace, but thats it

Remember, luffy said he wants to create a world where he can eat with his friends (atleast I think it was) which is pretty similar to big moms.

maybe luffys mysterious words of back then that resembled rogers where something in that direction

[open crown]

I agree that I can see that zuniesha and the grand fleet coming to help take care of wg. I think what comes next all depends on what happened to sabo. If it was announced that sabo is captured and luffy gets word of that, luffy is definitely heading for mariejoa but I feel like it'll be the revolutionary army that help with that. Otherwise, I do agree elbaf is next.

[open crown]

Yea, I agree that world peace and freedom for all are indeed way too grandiose for luffy but I feel like it is something similar to that, just scaled down to around luffy's circle. I think it's hard to say what kind of wording that dream is.

I don't think luffy would ever hunt akainu but I don't think luffy would not fight akainu. luffy still feels strongly against akainu as shown in fishman island arc, when it was announced that akainu won against aokiji, luffy clutched his chest remembering what had happened. Maybe someone will intervene and tell luffy his fight is elsewhere, but overall I do think there'll be at least a couple blows.

notice how after all the shit luffy witnessed from marine and CDs he never even showed the slightest thought of defeating them and liberating the world and stuff like that
I disagree with this statement because luffy definitely showed that he hates the CD. I think given the chance he would take out the CD but luffy's got other things in his mind. Also the last time luffy has ever had any real conflict against the marines or cds was back at sabaody/marineford. Luffy wasn't as strong as he is rn so things might've changed.

[plucky kiln]

yes he hates them but he doesnt think to be responsible for the worlds sake, which is cool, he is a pirate after all. he is more like a guy who tries to make great things where he can affect them. dragon aims really high, but luffy is like a heroic pirate

Thats why I dont think he bothers about world peace. sure it would be fine, but infinite world peace is impossible. there will always be grudge and shit

defeating the CDs will only make room for other dictators

Luffy doesnt see the one piece world as we do. he focusses more on whats infront of him. thats the reality he perceives. but yes, he probably will go after marie jois. maybe after discovering their story he might get interested into them

[snow epoch]

what if rodger and luffys dream was to let everyone be able to eat to their fill? think about it, it was so ridiculous it made white beard, sabo and ace laugh, it made yamato cry and oden was left speechless, the sheer childish nature of the request, It seems almost impossible?

[open crown]

I don’t think it’s this because there hasn’t really been a world hunger theme overall besides wano. The overarching theme for the story seems to be more on the lines of freedom

[dire minnow]

Sheesh

[analog sun]

Any thought on the cloud scarf that Luffy (G5) and Yamato get with their DF? Is there a subset of Mythicals that have that?

At the very least it hints of a connection between the two fruits or their past owners. Maybe another JoyBoy Crew ™ Nakama?

[proud tree]

I thought the cloud scarf may be related to the smoke gear 2 produces.... why should it be a completely different source? Bcs of timeskip training?

[proud tree]

Luffy said a hero gives the meat to others, while a pirate eats the meat for himself ... so I doubt he would like to share the meat with everyone (not with his enemies for example), but his friendly circle.

[unreal egret]

What’s the next arc gonna be? Elbaf or another war arc revolving around sabo?

[wise wigeon]

Sabo arc

[steel shadow]

Im guessing Luffy leads half the crew to help Sabo, other half with Usopp at least going to Elbaf, probably Robin too if my Elbaf poneglyph theory is correct.

[unreal egret]

That’s gonna be insane if a sabo arc happens.. luffy gonna be so much stronger...grand fleet...garp won’t lose another “child”

[modest skiff]

This is a question better fit for #manga . We prefer not to have next arc predictions in this channel

[heady parrot]

does garp have that strong of a connection to sabo? from what i understand that was mainly just luffy and ace since those were the two that garp brought to dadan.

[pure raven]

has any one heard of the paralelism theory by DesuRachel, it makes a lot of sense, and it made me tear up a bit thinking how great Oda is as a writer

[modest skiff]

Can you summarize it? Got a link?

[pure raven]

theres a video that totally not mark(youtube anime/manga chanel) did crediting her. its a huge theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ci1Wq2hby8

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1413211777005916160.html

Honestly the theory is aging like fine wine since it came out

[weary hornet]

luffy’s dream is to free the whole world, which ace and sabo thought was dumb due to their view of the world back then. they only thought it was dumb because it seemed impossible because of corrupted kingdoms n stuff

[scenic flower]

Tbh all this theory seems to be is post hoc rationalization, you can suspend your beliefs far enough to find these "inversed plot points" to then fit them into this theory.

[grand obsidian]

What if we take all the info we know about void 100 and connect them and say that. Will of D is to destroy the world with the ancient weapons. D's were born in the Ancient Kingdom. They also made the devil fruits because many devil fruits are of man made things, like baby-5's df, Hina's df, Perospero's df, etc.

[eternal escarp]

Guys one thing i dont understand is where tf did roger got his straw hat from ?

He had it before he meet first crewmember so someone gave it to him or he somehow found it

[last ingot]

I have an idea about that

@eternal escarp I will @ you in another chat for suited

@eternal escarp Theory
Oda has foreshadowed the origin behind rogers strawhat.
We learn that ace learnt how to weave straw in wano via tama. And then he made a strawhat for oars Jr.
Oars Jr is supposed to represent joyboy. The oni/ancient giant race has alot of ties to joyboy. Likely one of the reasons kaidou thought he was such a good candidate and explains why they were purged.

ace a man made of fire made a strawhat for oars. And his crew specifically said someone with fire powers should not be weaving straw

We know roger met Rayleigh about 53 years ago current storyline. And as you said he was already wearing the strawhat so somebody in the east blue must have given it to him

But oda has told us that this ability to weave straw into hats taught in wano. This means the character who gave roger the hat must have been to wano prior to the 53 years

[silver vapor]

maybe bought it from a shop

u guys will love elbaf or another war arc after wano ?

[last ingot]

Hitetsu said he was waiting for someone to return to wano 54 years ago. This person 54 years ago took kozaburo to the EAST BLUE. Where roger would have gotten his hat

Thus person hitetsu is waiting for went to wano 54 where ONE LEARNS TO WEAVE STRAW HATS. And then takes kozaburo to the EAST BLUE, rogers home sea.

You get what I'm tryna say here. The dude who made rogers strawhat is the same guy who hitetsu is waiting for

[last ingot]

Only timeliness we have 50+ years ago.

Tsuru garp and sengoku joun navy 55 years ago.
Roger meets Rayleigh 53-54 years ago.
Someone comes to wano 54 years ago and takes kozaburo to east blue.
52 years ago Brook dies.

[eternal escarp]

@last ingot Daaaaaamn

[last ingot]

And the person who came to wano 54 years ago isn't just gonna be someone fodder or irrelevant

[last ingot]

Whose era would it have been 54 years ago you think. Someone with alot of importance to the story

[pure raven]

luffy and roger's secret dream is that they want to have a big party with everybody in the world and so he can free the world from the forces of the government

[last ingot]

That's 2 different dreams tf. And no correlation

[pure raven]

my bad then

[last ingot]

Tbh it's not you bro. Whatever luffys dream is its gonna be something stupid. I'm not expecting anything amazing the dudes to dumb for that.

Odens dream was pretty dope though

[pure raven]

yaa

[pure raven]

You're on to something here. I agree

[last ingot]

Yeah basically I'm trying to say the person hitetsu is waiting for is rocks. But as we know the dude is dead. Rocks came to wano and took kozaburo to the east blue. And created shimotsuki village.

The kids said the village was made by pirates. Rocks made zoros village

[pure raven]

There is way to little information to accually deduce anything from the given info about rocks. Or, I am having trouble at least. It seems to me a bit of a stretch.

But! One thing that popped up in my mind rn. Wasn't that guy Hitetsu was waiting for the guy sorry was talking to on that cliff?

Uhm, is this allowed? It's abit low effort from my side😬

[last ingot]

• you said we don't know enough about rocks to deduce its him
• tama and hitetsu are paralleled both are waiting for people to return. People who are not from wano who they made promises with
• we learnt the person tama was waiting for was portgas d. Ace who is dead.
• it was 54 years ago which is within the time frame of rocks era. The era before roger.

Unless you think oda is gonna create a random character who we don't know who isn't connected to anybody that brought him to the east blue

[ancient vault]

why would hitetsu wait for rocks? he was obviously waiting for the scabbards

[last ingot]

. He said he was waiting for A MAN A from long ago. He doesnt know the scabbards personally the first time he met them was just before the raid why do you think he introduced himself.

Another thing the only time he brings up and brings up constantly is 54 years ago and kozaburo he brought this time up so many times he is on screen

[pure raven]

Regarding who gave the Strawhat to Roger: I don't think it was Rocks either since I don't think he would be a person of high status from Wano

[ancient vault]

theres a theory that hes sukiyaki = odens father and i think thats the most likely meaning he would know the scabbards

[pure raven]

Not father but maybe grandfather?

[ancient vault]

no its his father just read the pinned theory

[last ingot]

Yeah I believe he is odens father. But again he said he was waiting for a SINGLE man.

• the scabbards are a group. So it's not the scabbard.

Another thing, he said he made a promise with a man like how tama made a promise with someone. The scabbards didn't make any promises with tsukiyaki tf. Their only promise was with oden

[ancient vault]

then hes waiting for joyboy?

why would he wait for rocks? rocks wasnt a good guy
i dont get where u got this idea from that hitetsu knew rocks

[last ingot]

Oh now you gotta be kidding me. He said he made a promise with the man he is waiting for. Tama was waiting for someone SHE MET PHYSICALLY TO RETURN. means he had to have talked to the guy to make the promise these counters seem a bit REACHY

[ancient vault]

OH U MEAN THAT THAT WAS ACE LMFAO

man said rocks after we got a tama ace flashback where ace promised tama he‘ll comeback

[last ingot]

Wtf are you talking about. I'm saying that hitetsu and tama both made promises WITH DIFFERENT FUCKING PEOPLE.

Tama met this person to MAKE THE PROMISE.
Whoever hitetsus person is HE MET THEM PHYSICALLY TO MAKE THE DAMN PROMISE so its not joyboy tf.

You completely misunderstood a simple explanation. Hitetsus person is NOT ACE never said it was you completely misunderstood THAT.

The person hitetsu is waiting for is SOMEONE he met physically in person. Just like tama did

[ancient vault]

show me the panel where hitetsu talks about that

rocks is the most random and most baseless thing ive heard in a while 💀 imma need you to back that up with sth

[last ingot]

Listen we don't know much about rocks. I'm saying that I think it is rocks because it is before roger set out to sea.

And that time was rocks era.

[ancient vault]

i wanna see the panel with hitetsus promise

ur just speculating off of nothing rn

[last ingot]

Bro if I could post panels for you I would you need level 10 for that. And another thing.

Kaidous spread is full of guys we all know are charismatic and positive guys. You can get a good understanding of what kind of guy rocks was through the other guys in the spread

Wb was in rocks crew. From the way he asked kaidou to meet rocks it doesn't seem like he disliked rocks

[pure raven]

It is plausible that Hitetsu saved Odens logbook. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Yamato say that it seemed strange that it survived the fire? Almost as if somone saved it. I don't think he met Roger, but if he read the log book he know what Roger said and could be inspired to wait for the man who was going to free Wano and open its borders - He is waiting for Joyboy.

[ancient vault]

charismatic doesnt mean youre a good person. Rocks was killing slaves during god valley and is potrayed as and callled rogers greatest foe.

[pure raven]

Heck Ted Bundy was fucking charismatic...

[last ingot]

Tama said she was waiting for a man. Hitetsu immediately after said he was also waiting for a man he made a promise with.

Sorry to say but this immediately debunks any person who he has not met physically.
So roger wb garp all of those guys debunked. And joyboy aswel since last Time I checked he was 900 years prior.

And @ancient vault if you really buy that nonsense from sengoku you don't really understand one piece that well no offence. The government treats roger like a monster, fodder who don't know him see him as satan himself. We know the true roger.

Dragon is seen as a devil. We know the guy is one of the most righteous guys in the story. The people with the most evil portrayal by the world government are actually the most positive figures

[sick raft]

we don’t know if Rocks killed any slaves , we just know Garp was protecting the celestials who had slaves

[ancient vault]

Sengoku has no reason to lie about anything. Hes retired and the reason why he told the story was for context.

If he was working in the WG favor he wouldve just lied and said garp solod all of them instead of admitting he got help from Roger.
Sengoku potrayed Roger in a good light that chapter.

[last ingot]

Dragon is trying to liberate the world and get rid of slavery. The dude even takes in the rejects of the world. The wg treat him like a devil.

Whatever isn't celestial dragon friendly is evil. Whatever doesn't follow the wg is evil. The guys who are greatest opposed to the wg are painted as the most evil.

Rocks is just another example of that. Why tf would he go to a place to kill slaves. Even blackbeard wouldn't do that tf.

Why tf would blackbeard go to a place where slaves are who are being treated like shit and then roll up to kill them.

[ancient vault]

The WG and Sengoku are different in that chapter. The WG acts like rocks never existed instead of admitting faults of their own

Also xebecs is clearly paralleling Teach. Do you think Blackbeard is a good person?

[ancient vault]

he came there to kill everyone. he wasnt simply killing slaves. he was also killing Celestial dragons. there was probably sth on the island he needed.

[last ingot]

What does blackbeard embody. He embodies a black hole. He has darkness powers and creates black holes.

Do you think a black hole forms from nowhere. A blackhole is formed from the death of a star.

The bigger the star. The more dense the black hole that forms after its death.

Rocks died and his will progressed into blackbeard.

D

[ancient vault]

lol wtf r u talking about.
my question was do u think blackbeard is a good person?

[last ingot]

What do you mean wtf are you talking about I just broke down your question.

Yes blackbeard is evil. He embodies a black hole. This means that the guy before him rocks was not like blackbeard

[ancient vault]

r u saying blackbeard wants revenge for rocks? because rocks was a good person but was done dirty
that just sounds funny

[last ingot]

No I'm not saying blackbeard wants revenge for rocks. If anything blackbeard is just a pawn in motion tf.

Why do people think teach is the real threat. The dude is a fat fuck with no BACKBONE, he can eat 3 fruits. He has a weird body.
I believe rocks is a secondary consciousness within blackbeard. Via the previous ope ope no mi user

The real threat is rocks. Bro relook at the top 5 panel. 3 guys stare at 4th wall. And 2 guys don't stare at the 4th wall.

What do the 3 guys who stare at the 4th wall share that the other 2 don't. COMFIRMED ON SCREEN DEATHS.

Oden wb and roger exist on a different plane to shanks and rocks as they are dead. Rocks death isn't COMFIRMED visually its told by a guy who lies and hides everything and wasn't even there at the damn place.

[ancient vault]

whos the real threat then

[smoky cradle]

i am

[toxic berry]

listen the clue to bb mystery is what ace commented on his age

[last ingot]

Yo swrml I edited my comment reread it

[ancient vault]

[late token]

I don’t think that is confirmed. It was never stated that he killed slaves

[ancient vault]

he intended to. It was said garps had to protect both cleesrial dragons and slaves

[manic lichen]

ayo, somebody please tell the mods to create a spamming channel just for today, spamming feeeels so damn goood today

[gray creek]

Blackbeard is a decades long established antagonist, and it’s only now being understood how perfectly he mirrors Luffy. He’s an end of series threat, not a pawn in a dead guy’s plan. If you’re going to ignore everything we’ve seen from Teach, as well as the whole idea of inherited will in favor of some lazy plot twist ripped out of #other-series, then you’re the one who doesn’t understand one piece

[pure raven]

the one piece is the nika nika no mi

[surreal terrace]

One Piece = On Laugh Tale
Only people to reach Laugh Tale = Roger Pirates
Original possessors pre-Shanks = Marines
Your theory = impossible

[fathom matrix]

This is gonna sound dumb, but Oda said he wanted Luffy to defeat kaido without just a big punch.

What if he defeats kaido in the sense that if kaido approaches him, they talk.

And when Luffy says what he says, that's when kaido admits defeat, flies away and the title card says "kaido vs luffy, winner: Luffy" end of act 3

So yeah, luffy does defeat him in the fight, but kaido admits defeat by the conversation they have. Maybe luffy says what his dream is and why he thinks and wants to do in order to make a world where his friends aren't hungry.

Plus he's got nothing left in terms of an empire....sooooo

Also, he said "me and luffy" maybe it's a way for Oda and luffy to get their words across to kaido?

I know luffy isn't a complicated character and we often see him as an idiot, but he's emotionally mature, understanding and strong headed, so he could come up with a simple but effective line of dialogue and not just a 1 line sentence.

[twilit dagger]

any imu theories? or monkey D. Dragon ones?

[magic igloo]

search them up

[uneven wharf]

Damn this is dope!

[uneven wharf]

100% agreed
Its gotta be a childish dream

[cedar venture]

Im sama is shakky

[uneven wharf]

Please no, I cannot survive any more talk no jutsu

[pure raven]

then im guessing that you have seen naruto already

anyone got theories about whats going on with enel maybe?

[pure raven]

there is a theory that enel is actually on the moon idk if its fake though

[steel shadow]

Im guessing he's chilling on the moon, and probably won't show up again. At this point Luffy is at a level where Enel isn't even an issue anymore. Also i don't think Moon Piece is happening

[uneven wharf]

The series we shall not name

[hidden socket]

Luffy wont ask for help but kaido may stil help cause he believes in joyboy

[late pier]

I believe Kaido's dream was to meet Joy Boy.

Since Kaido has been introduced we knew he wished to be defeated but has yet to find his defeat. I believe he picked Wano as his base because he knew Oden was waiting for Joy Boy to come to Wano, and its why he made people slaves because he knew Joy Boy was a liberator of slaves.

I believe that Kaidos mission for a long time has been to set himself up so that if Joy Boy returned they would have to be forced to face Kaido.

Both Kaido and King seem to look at Joy Boy as a savior and someone that could make the change that even they could not. I would fully agree that if he recognizes Luffy as Joy Boy, there is a god possiblility he would help him out and I could see Kaido using the last of his strength and remaining crew to give Luffy and his crew the cover to escape the WG, by holding them off.

[late pier]

He is on the moon. There was a whole cover story about him getting to the moon and interacting with the people who live on the moon.

Enel isn't coming back. He was used to demonstrate the different ways the powers of the story would go and show off how powerful they were while still allowing Luffy to stay "weaker" for a while still. There is no need to bring him back to the story.

I mean, at this point if Enel came back Luffy could stomp him into the ground in seconds flat. Enel's power and attitude means he would most likely not feel he would need to train more, meanwhile Luffy has grown exponentially. The number one advantage Enel had over Luffy was future sight, and Luffy now future sight, and even was able to beat Katakuri who was supposed to be 1 future sight. Enel would have no chance.

[hidden socket]

Yea kaido always didnt strike me as a much evil guy even when he defeated luffy/kid he didn't kill them just wanted them to join him only questionable thing is his treatment of yamato mayb that too was to make her strong And even in this bacstory he went after marine for food not civilains

[late pier]

I would disagree and say that Kaido is very much Evil. He seems to have an understanding of right and wrong, and from the bit of the backstory we got it seems he got sick of the not being able to change the world for the better and instead decided to use the fact that he couldn't to justify embracing the horrible aspects of the current world.

He couldn't be Joy Boy, so he decided he had to be the final test for Joy boy and purposefully did horrible and nasty things to ensure that if Joy Boy returned, he would be forced to deal with Kaido. Kaido knows right from wrong and chooses to do wrong despite this fact. I would say that absolutely makes him evil.

"And even in this bacstory he went after marine for food not civilains"

He didnt go after the marines over civilians, he just simply let the marines, who were chasing him endlessly, "capture" him so he could steal from them and escape. Nothing in the backstory says he purposefully avoided civilians or didn't also steal from them.

Kaido is the "greater good" kind of character. The one that believes bad things are okay, if they end up leading to something great.

I believe he thinks that by being the one to prove Joy Boy has returned by being the final obstacle for him, then anything and everything that happened to Kaido and that he has done, will be okay and worth it because he will have been part of Joy Boy returning and changing the world for the better.

[frail moon]

Kuma is Vegapunk. SBS in TB said that [Vegapunk] will show up soon. As Vegapunk is tied to the truth of devil fruits, which has always made sense to be revealed at the end, it's unlikely there was an original plan that revealed VP as early as TB. You who does show up soon after that though? Kuma. The only one ever to be in direct contact with VP. Franky, who trained in VP's hometown, trained by making himself a cyborg, General Franky even looks like Kuma. Kuma as the un-emotive character he is subverts every other MADS scientist like Caesar and Queen who are all kooky. His power of taking vague things like pain and transfering them to other things is a perfect power to transfer the power of devil fruits into objects. Always seemed like a power that didn't fit in with the rest but it could be showing how Vegapunk does this. Vegapunk is often holding a Bible, and if you believe the theory that devil fruits are souls put into fruits, which is very spiritual, then Kuma having a Bible would foreshadow the link between the spiritual and scientific, and how the two are linked. In the one silhouette we get of Vegapunk (animanga often shows silhouettes of things in the background that are completely different than their real form, think BB's silhouette in Drum) it shows his whole body except the head, and the character in the foreground is Kuma, of which only his head is shown. But why would the WG pretend they're keeping Kuma somewhere, while actually having the real Kuma be out and about, publicly known as one of the Warlords? Well, we've seen through Caesar Clown who worked on an extremely secret island, how many factions wanted to capture him, with one ending up succeeding. This is an example in the story to show hiding away doesn't work for a scientist like this, and so the WG instead put him out into the world as a Warlord so they don't suspect him. And this is shown to be the right choice because we've seen how a similar character has tried the opposite and failed.

Also, the reveal of Vegapunk isn't likely to be some random guy, it's a character who themselves has significance. That doesn't necessarily mean a character we've seen yet, but good stories always do multiple things at once. What better candidate than Kuma? "Vegapunk" supposedly let Kuma have one last bit of sentience to protect the crew, wouldn't it be a great twist is Kuma was Vegapunk and it was more his scientific, government-affiliated side that let his emotional self win one last time. Why does Vegapunk specifically choose Kuma to experiment on. You might say it's because Kuma agreed to it, but we don't know the reason for that either and so it explains nothing. Both of those questions are resolved by Kuma being Vegapunk, and experimenting on himself, like Franky.

Why is Kuma even a Warlord at all when he completely works for the government anyway, isn't even a pirate, and is really just takes up a spot for another potential Warlord? Because the point of making Vegapunk a Warlord is to put him out in the public eye so people who want to capture Vegapunk look past him, while also giving him an excuse to work for and be in contact with the government

[woeful forge]

how does this account for his being first officer to the revolutionary army for a long time

[manic lichen]

i think buggy would be joining the Strawhats in the future
because he is one of the only people who knows where the last ponegliff is and i think luffy will or might be asking him for help in the future just like roger had to ask oden for help

also with the warlord system abolished, he needs protection, so I also think that he might be willing to help Luffy who might help him since Buggy helped Luffy at Impel down

[woeful forge]

he also knows what the one piece is and doesnt seem to care, wanting more the title that would come with finding it.

he may show up in the final battle but having him as nakama would be strange

[manic lichen]

like, if he needs the title, he can help the Straw hats as now they are on the brink of becoming a Yonko crew

[manic lichen]

how tho, Impel dawn had the Luffy and Buggy duo making allies rapidly
plus biggy basically owns luffy one for helping him earn more members

[woeful forge]

that would be interesting foreshadowing; i just dont see it

[manic lichen]

i mean, as roger mentioned, "every person has their turn" so what if Buggy has his turn in helping Joyboy? And completing his role as "Buggy the clown"

[woeful forge]

if this were to come to pass i would more expect him to double cross the strawhats first

[manic lichen]

i mean, he has done it twice already
also with the grad fleet, who knows he might get to be a part of it

[woeful forge]

here's my idea:
Luffy is ASLEEEEEP after the kaido fight. possibly for weeks. possibly for all of Elbaf. but somehow or another shanks and buggy are at elbaf! and they both help for the whole arc; then on the way to laugh tale we see buggy on a little black den den mushi telling WG where strawhat is.

this would lead into the final arc/battle and most likely buggy would then swirch back to the strawhats

idk that's maybe a fun idea

[lapis prairie]

Buggy is in the first half of the grand line, and is probably too scared to travel to the new world

[frail moon]

I mean, it doesn't contradict it. We can assume Vegapunk started working on Kuma once he became a Warlord and became affiliated with the government, by which point he had stopped being part of the revolutionaries for whatever reason. Nothing really changes. The questions we have about how Kuma went from King to Revolutionary to Warlord are still unchanged by Kuma being Vegapunk.

[fathom ermine]

how come luffy has abbility of whisper whisper fruit?

[lapis prairie]

Because that fruit isn't cannon

[grizzled pendant]

Would Luffy and zoro be awake tho

And also if luffy and zoro will be out of commission possibly for the rest of elbaf would that mean the rest of the strawhats will shine on fights especially ussop

[woeful forge]

thanks

||for the ping||

[lucid grail]

Still no end of act 3 after this chapter? i swear oda forgot about the acts 💀

[modest skiff]

General discussion goes in #manga rather than here @lucid grail

[lucid grail]

Oh ok sry

[late pier]

Buggy will accidently end up in the New World trying to run away from the WG lol

Won't even realize he did it

[tropic gale]

Kid and Law are gonna join the strawhats

[halcyon tusk]

doubtful, but not impossible. though for that to become an option for either of them and for luffy as well especially so, then it would have to be THE ONLY viable option they’d have. meaning that their respective Crews would have to have been killed or otherwise neutralized to an extreme degree with death obviously being the most extreme. even then i doubt luffy would let them unless it was because their crew were dead, or captured and they were asking him for help.

[daring meadow]

You guys come up with the wildest shit don’t you

[weak kiln]

Maybe an alliance but it’s literally impossible, they aren’t going to abandon their rebellious pride for that, they would get clowned by the rest of the worst gen

[glossy snow]

does shanks have a poneglyph?

cause if so i feel like he would just give it to luffy no questions asked

[weary hornet]

he wouldnt make it dat easy, luffy gotta do something to get it

[wicked citrus]

bounty predictions at the end of wano
luffy-3,550,560,000
zoro-1,368,900,000
sanji-1,368,901,000
jinbei-1,100,000,000
yamato(if she joins)-930,200,180
robin-490,000,000
franky-581,000,000
ussop-330,000,000
nami-140,000,000
brook(tbh he did nun in wano so far)-130,000,000
chopper-99,000,000

[open solstice]

i reckn luffy's bounty is atleast 4 bill after wano

[wicked citrus]

nah

[open solstice]

he would've beaten the strongest creature alive and not even have a 4 billion bounty on him?

[wicked citrus]

thats the thing i dont think that hes gonna actually beat kaido

i feel like its gonna be the same thing like what happend with big mom, i think they will bring his bounty up for standing against the strongest creature alive

[open solstice]

hmm thats a possibility ig

[hollow oxide]

Long theory regarding the next arcs we have to hit before luffy finds the one piece

1. Sabo, if this turns into an arc it could include (cause there is a chance he would let the revolutionary’s handle it

• similar marineford
• luffy meets dragon
• luffys mom (this is a stretch)
  I feel like the whole sabo thing will happen very very soon, as soon as to say right when we get out of wano. Since wano is a closed country luffy doesn’t know what happened to sabo so I feel when we get out of wano he’ll get the newspaper and then the arc will begin.

2. Luffy vs Blackbeard
   I feel like even with luffy in 1044 Blackbeard and his crew are still stronger, where luffy stands now he may JUST be getting on par with Ace, he wasnt a wb division commander for nothing. And black beard still took him down.
   (Possible) 3. Luffy vs Akainu
   I say possible for this one bc Akainu was just doing his job, it’s Blackbeards fault ace got caught
3. Where is the 4th road poneglyph

• finding this will certainly take a minute as hell, its labeled lost in the gigantic world of one piece
• required to find the one piece

5. Elbaf

• Usopp wants to go here, we must follow god usopps orders
• fun fact Usopp sounds like Aesop, Elbaf backwards is fable, why wouldn’t we go here

6. A bunch of marine shit and wg shit, which includes

• Who is Im
• The 5 elder stars
• The giant Strawhats

[crimson vault]

hi

[jade hatch]

I don't think Ace was as strong as Luffy is right now. If he was, marineford would've went differently if it had happened at all.

Blackbeard probably doesn't measure up to Kaido in strength / endurance, but he measures up in tricks / cunning which gives Luffy more trouble.

I figure when there's a fight against blackbeard, it'll mirror Rocks D. Xebec vs Roger and Garp. So it'll be Blackbeard vs Luffy and ???, hopefully Shanks.

I do agree Sabo needs to be addressed asap, as soon as Wano gets it's wind down chaps. Either from a newspaper, or even a revolutionary army member (cough plz send luffy's daddy) coming to Wano to tell Luffy.

I don't want another marineford though. Maybe an impel down that ends in success.

[blazing mountain]

Interesting prediction, I think it'd be cool if it was Blackbeard vs Luffy (the new pirate king) and Koby (the new hero of the marines)

[brisk mirage]

The difference between the “Final War” and Marineford is that the “Final War” won’t have some arbitrary goal like “save Ace”. It’s going to be an all out brawl, and the only person left standing at the end will either by the World Government finally triumphing over the Will of D, or a new Pirate King standing at Laugh Tale

[jade hatch]

I would be offended on Garp's behalf if Koby measured up to him so quickly.

I don't think Luffy has a marine equivalent like Roger did.

Also, i didn't mean to say the final war would be another marineford, just that i wouldn't want another big brawl with the goal of saving someone. Which, as you said, shouldn't be the final war.

[lime pasture]

he has like 4

[jade hatch]

Not like Roger and Garp. Roger and Garp were supposedly equals, weren't they? Right now, spare Akainu, Luffy can fold Koby and Smoker like pretzels.

[blazing mountain]

Yeah that's the most likely reason why he won't fit the part. But then again, he's been training under Garp so you could consider him Garp's successor. It's clear he isn't there yet but Oda does portray him as a rising star with potential. It could go either way, so all I'm saying here is that it would be neat 😆

[lime pasture]

i hope luffy gets captured cause that would throw the whole world on its head then ultimate war

[jade hatch]

I gotcha. I do whole-heartedly believe Koby will reach his admiral dream by the end of the series.

[amber breach]

Theory: After Wano, I believe the next arc will be Elbaf. I don't think this arc will contain much fighting but instead more of a learning arc for Luffy. He will probably learn a new type of haki probably something to do with conqueror's which makes Shanks so strong. And of course, they have to meet Loki or learn more about him. I think this arc will be interrupted by the final war arc, when Shanks and maybe his crew is called to challenge Blackbeard and his crew. Shanks will die and the Red-Hair pirates will fall and Blackbeard will take control and Luffy will need to prepare in Elbaf for the final battle between him, the marines, the revolutionaries, the WG, and BB. This battle will destroy the Red Line and Luffy will become the king of the world instead of the king of the pirates and become the next Joyboy. Oda stated that the one piece is an actual thing so I believe that it is the throne of Joyboy and Laugh Tale is the ancient kingdom which can only be reached by the poneglyphs which are messages left by Joyboy leading future generations to revive the ancient kingdom🥱

Theory: After Garp and Roger's fight with Xebec, Garp discovers Rocks DF nearby and knowing how it destroyed an entire island in a fight he hid it knowing that the WG would abuse its power. After Koby is fully done with his haki training with Garp, Garp will gift him the fruit as a last resort to defeat BB with Luffy. However, the fruit was probably corrupted by Xebec's soul and after the fight, Koby will be corrupted by Rocks' fruit and turn on Luffy and that will the final fight of the series. Luffy is the Sun God, Imu is the Moon God, Dragon controls the weather which probably makes him a Sky God, and Rocks' fruit was probably the fruit of the forest god which Koby will awaken when corrupted by Xebec. Luffy and Dragon vs. Imu and Koby will most likely be the final fight and will be the one which destroys the Red Line, creates the All Blue, and revives the Ancient Kingdom with Luffy in its throne. 🥱

[sand sail]

Please read the channel description.

This is not the channel for casual conversation or small, random theories.

You can take these topics to #also-manga if you'd like.

[pulsar lark]

Theory: Blackbeard has a second devil fruit bc rocks soul is in his body, rocks is shanks’ father, Imu possesses a manipulation fruit and lived during void century, Imu is the final fight, Shanks dies in the fight, however due to his unknown powers he is the strongest yonko apart from Luffy, he might beat shanks, at Laugh Tale, however Imu will go there or they will go to Marie Geoise, Law will give Luffy immortality and he will have a child with Boa, the cycle will repeat after Luffy dies, Zoro will be at Sabaody and teach Luffy’s child swordsmanship and haki and Oda will probably make some other series like a next gen

[pulsar lark]

Jeez you put thought into that tho

Luffy will find out all the secrets, there is probably going to be some sort of way to find the All Blue, I think although Luffy will get longer life from Law, he will probably not get immortality as he will probably die at some point, remember he has already died before and that is the beauty of one piece, that the pirate king can still die, Luffy will probably get sick like Roger did

[muted ember]

I have a theory that Rocks will have a similar personality as Luffy. One of the main rebuttals is that he's pure evil. But the marines make all pirates out to be evil, even the SHs. But with the reveal of Kaido's dream tells us that his goal might not be just noble but something Luffy will end up doing, which is taking down the CDS. His crews dreams already reflect aspects of Luffy:
WB: Wanted a family, similar crew dynamic to Luffy
Big Mom: Utopia, a place where everyone is on the same level and never go hungry, Luffy wants his friends to eat as much as they want
Kaido: Equality based on individual strength, rather than political power, Luffy hates the CDs, and he tends to use his fighting strength as an equalizer, like restoring Riku to the throne

[patent silo]

• And this is where I think, 9 People of the prophecy will defeat Kaido just as like Strawhats fought alltogether to take down Oars and Moria.

Currently AwakenedLuffy taking on kaido resembles NighmareLuffy, but that doesn't last long. So momotaro theory soon may befall.

• 1v1 bet on Kaido may get highlighted a lot. Oda somehow have to turn the table without breaking any logic. Luffy will possibly reach his limit here. EniesLobby was a limit breaker, ThrillerBark was even greater, but strength didn't matter afterwards. So I think Wano would act the same, following by WCI. So, Luffy's strength won't matter in Elbaf, similar to impeldown and marineford. Because bravery will be the winner!

• Everybody excited for bounties. But I don't think that will happen now. Story perspective! Also, YouJustDethronedAKing a mere wanted wouldn't be enough. Government may issue directly a Death Warrant on them, and that'd be cool. Similar to Kuma at thrillerbark.

• The entire Story of OP following a 12 Stages of structure/saga. EastBlue as prologue. 5 saga at each SuperRookie and FourEmperor part, which also parallels to each other. So if wano is thrillerbark, the next Elbaf Saga will possible act as Marineford- the beginning of the end! And TheFinale will be the epilogue, whatever the end may be is!

[olive mantle]

Honestly guys, I think usopp has last poneglyth. He’s hiding it under his big nose.

My bad if I messed up your flow, please carry on.

[slender fulcrum]

Elbaf will be Vegapunk's arc Imo, maybe mixed with Dragon's stuff. There is still a possible link between Vegapunk, Kuma and Dragon

[amber breach]

I think Vegapunk resides on Lodestar tbh it would make sense considering no one has seen Vegapunk besides the Gorosei and his experiments are so secretive

[amber breach]

I thought this channel was for manga theories? I read channel info and it had nothing against anything I stated?

[amber breach]

I think that the All Blue doesn't even exist but is a story passed down from the original prophecy on the poneglyphs which state that the red line will be destroyed and all the seas will merge

[pulsar lark]

You need to read the manga, Luffy v Kaido is a 1v1

[muted ember]

It's not tho Kaido fought like 20 ppl

[patent silo]

I was talking about the 1v1 conclusion, after Momotaro theory takes on place.

Current fight is similar NightmareLuffy vs Oars at thrillerbark. Which is my point of theory. As this isn't the real finale.

[slender fulcrum]

I'm still not sure BB VS Luffy will happen on laugh Tale. If it happens there BB will defeat Luffy but Luffy will fight him in Marijoie.

[primal cargo]

Other points that support Kaidou getting back up for a final phase of the fight :

• It's not dawn yet (this arc is about the dawn coming to Wano before it comes to the whole world)
• The people in the capital still haven't realized (parallel with Oden's 5 years and the hour of legends)
• Kaidou has yet to show his awakening (or at the very least have it identified)
• Kaidou has yet to name an attack after the fifth wisdom king Fudou Myouou
• Kaidou has lost one horn and there's no way he doesn't lose the other to mirror the Skull dome

[knotty olive]

If your talking about kaidou mirroring onigashima losing the horn. Doesn't that mean the eye cracking over time is a representation of luffy

Like how can we have a pirate manga and we don't have a eyepatch guy. And even forget the pirates. Manga where there's a military force of some kind commonly have the guy at the top wearing an eyepatch

[patent silo]

Also a backstory yet to befold.

[knotty olive]

But the main parts of that backstory would be vegapunk rocks and kaidous wife. 2 of those characters I highly doubt oda wants to reveal in kaidous fb before present time

[primal cargo]

The fact that we got a "teaser" flashback this chapter means we're probably not getting a proper Rocks flashback very soon (at least a few chapters, maybe after the hypothetical final phase of the Kaidou fight)

[latent zodiac]

I have a question, if law sticks a part of my body lets say my arm to another person, when that guy bleeds does my blood come out or the guy who its attached to?

Also do i feel the pain or does he feel the pain.

Likewise lets say my head gets put on his body, if i get hit on the head does the other guy also take damage?

[knotty olive]

Yeah that teaser was funny. His ship looks pretty incredible though. I have a feeling we are gonna get a rocks flashback. If he was in the spread with those other 4 guys he must have been pretty positive

[primal cargo]

You take the damage I'm pretty sure. That's what happened with all the hearts in Punk Hazard

[latent zodiac]

But what about the blood. Like if it bleeds does my blood come out of my leg attached to him or does his blood come out of my leg

[knotty olive]

We need to see vegapunk in the present story before we can get the dna extraction in the fb to make momos fruit. That will also link to his meeting with queen for the first time

[primal cargo]

Well it should be your blood, we know blood is magically transported or something when the heart is separated from the body

[digital crown]

Luffy > kaido > op verse

[ivory urchin]

kaido will win

[frail moon]

"pellisdead" Pell is fucking Pluton lmao. Vivi is Pluton because it's said to lie in alabasta, and she has the exact same arc as Shirahoshi and Momo. And all of them control life that acts as the actual weapon, and best candidate for Vivi is Chaka and Pell. How did Pell survive the explosion? He's built out if Adams wood then ate a zoan fruit like how Vegapunk does, and like Roger and Luffy the other two Joyboy's had their ships built of Adams wood at water 7 just like Pluton was. 4/4 times vivis life is directly in danger Pell or chaka come to the rescue, just like how we've seen both momo and Shirahoshi subconsciously activate their power and control their life when their lives are in danger. Pluton could supposedly destroy a whole island with its power, but because Vivi, who is so anti war is in charge of Pell, instead Pell takes the bomb up to the sky that would have destroyed the island so it doesn't harm anyone. In 199 when Luffy rides on Pell to save her from falling, he says "we (me and Pell) heard your voice too" despite being in a different town. Because Luffy can hear the voice of all things, including the sea kings and Zuneisha, where only the ancient weapon could also hear. And so the two people that hear vivis voice, are Luffy with the voice of all things, and Pell, the ancient weapon she commands

What I mean by they have the same arc is: Vivi, Shirahoshi and Momo are all young royal family of a country, who's country's future is being threatened due to pirates, who personality wise are the complete opposites of what you would expect from the Ancient Weapon's description, who want to travel with the Strawhats but ultimately stay to protect their country. All have a moment where their life is directly in danger, and they subconsciously use their powers to control the life that their Ancient Weapon controls, to save them and their country from being destroyed.

[coarse river]

Topic: For talks about Sanji's first bounty > Kaido's first bounty

Kaido's first bounty (and by proxy Luffy's and Zoro's) is achieved by strength feat alone. Whereas Sanji in EL:

1. Infiltrated and deactivated high level Cipher Poll filled Sea Train with high level assets on board.
2. Defeated Jabra.
3. Closed the Gate of Justice, resulting in the Buster Call's failure.

Sanji's first bounty of 77m is for his strength and brain.
His 77m is for those 3 feats. So it's safe to assume that for those 77m, a minimum of 26mil is for his strength alone (1 of the 3 feats).

In Enies Lobby, Zoro's feat is only defeating Kaku, his bounty went from 60m to 120m, which means Kaku worth 60m. Let's say Jabra worth a bit less than that.

Enies Lobby's Sanji 77 mil is for both of his strength feat and brain/tactical feat.
If we only factor his strength feat alone, his first bounty should worth less than 60mil in Enies Lobby (because Jabra is lower than Kaku).

To reflect the parallels with Zoro, Sanji's actual first bounty (again, for strength alone) would be less than 60mil (Jabra's worth and lower than Zoro's first bounty).

TLDR
In conclusion, Kaido's first bounty is only factoring strength, whereas Sanji's is factoring both strength & brain feats. Sanji's strength-only bounty is still lower than Kaido's.

QA

• Marine doesn't know it's Sanji who closed the Gate of Justice
• They should know because it's impossible there's no guard around that

If I can play with number:

Feat 1 is brain and strength, Feat 2 is strength based, Feat 3 is brain. So 1/2 of 77mil is ~39mil minimum.
Zoro's first bounty is 60mil, which means Sanji's would be 59mil maximum.
Which means Sanji's rough STR based bounty is between 39mil to 59mil, a span of 20mil. But...

Zoro's and Sanji's weight difference is 1 cm.
Zoro's and Sanji's current bounty difference is 10mil.

To parallel Zoro's 60mil, Sanji's (STR only) actual bounty would be 50mil, lower than Kaido's.

[west escarp]

Usually Oda pays stuff like that off. Even Sanji mentioning the invisible devil fruit we saw that in Thriller Bark

[bleak cedar]

Isn't it already established that pluton is a ship. Why do people think its deeper than that with no indication. Uranus could be anything it could be a spaceship a person a creature. But why would it be good for it to be momo or vivi

[coarse river]

I believe in the old consensus that said since pluton is ship/inanimate vessel and poseidon is living vessel, uranus can be something different than the other two. For example, it is possible that a df (eg nika fruit) is uranus .

[bleak cedar]

Nah i don't think luffy is Uranus. I think Uranus is something sky related. Maybe a maxim like Enels ship that can go to the moon or maybe a person from a sky race

[coarse river]

Yeah, I was just giving an example, something that is different than a ship (pluton) or a person (poseidon), and DF is one of it

[bleak cedar]

Like whoever Uranus it should contrast shirahoshi. If it's a person they should be a foil to shirahoshi

[coarse river]

Yep. Since Shirahoshi is already ally, either uranus or pluton will be on the enemy side theoretically

[bleak cedar]

That's the thing pluton is a neutral force. It makes sense pluton is neutral force that can be replicated. Bb may use the original pluton. And iceburg and franky might make a new pluton

But Uranus should be an enemy to the strawhats. Someone who blackbeard can exploit or someone who likes how blackbeard thinks. If that's the case then luffy and blackbeard can really compete

[ashen surge]

Why do they have to make a new pluton? Franky knows the prints, he can just disable the og pluton

[compact herald]

About Pluton, I has a recent thought of maybe Pluton ISN'T 100% for fact a warship? The reason we think it is a warship was due to the blueprints that Tom, Iceberg, and Franky had in the Water 7/Enies lobby arc, but when I remember about the stuff said during those arcs, I recall them specifically saying that the blueprints they had were meant as a COUNTERMEASURE to Pluton developed by the shipwrights in water 7, if we think about it as well who were the people who referred to Pluton as a warship? It was the people of either CP9 or Crocodile, so we don't ACTUALLY know what the real Pluton might be

[bleak cedar]

Ngl you can drop the theory but the manga says its a ship so many times its ridiculous

[hot reef]

Dumb question because I don't read this thread often.

Has anyone broached the subject of a Time skip after Wano? Me and the boys were talking theories a couple days ago and this one popped up.

[compact herald]

The thing is the manga SAYS Pluton is a ship but how can that count as 100% confirmation it is? And as I mentioned I believe that the blueprints that franky burned up were mainly made as a countermeasure in case the real Pluton ever fell into the wrong hands as stated in said Arc

[ashen surge]

because the manga says its a ship, but dont necessarily have to build another one to destroy the first one

[halcyon tusk]

it’s already in the wrong hands. how else do you explain nobody being all that butthurt about franky destroying the blueprints they were looking for? it was cause that’s what they were gonna do anyway so that there’d be no countermeasures against their own scheme to use it later on.

[compact herald]

In the beginning the manga said Luffy's DF was the gomu gomu, now we know that not to be the case, is it that wild to imagine that what was said in the manga about Pluton could also be a misdirect?

[halcyon tusk]

it isn’t a wild notion. nobody is saying that. just stating how in multiple instances pluton has been referred to as a ship. with the devil fruit it was really just shanks and who’s who that said it was the gomu gomu no mi

[compact herald]

Exactly, Who are the people who said Pluton was a ship? How do they know? Do they possess it? so far we have not seen what the real Pluton is even the blueprints were hidden from us, and in the scene that tom shows the blueprints to iceberg and franky they never used the word "ship" when talking about it?